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Thomas57
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Post Number: 101
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 01:09 am: | 
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Hey there Anthony; On your Post #23:
You wrote "
T57, Pendrake is also just trying to examine John Titor along side Billy Meier. He has not claimed anything. Both of us are just trying to show interesting things we discovered, with hopes the forum will bounce back with ideas.
But NO, there is no discussion about John Titor on the Figu forum. This is "fantasy and rubbish"... end of story. And like a religious person holding on to his dogma, you take Billy Meier for his literal word and shut down. You my friend do not want to think about even the POSSIBILITY that anything Pendrake or myself have tried to share about Meier vs. Titor might be worth exploring. "
Please point out just 'Where" I have taken that "religious" POV. Your opinion upon that statement is a broad assumption that is blatantly FALSE. To make such a reference - tells me clearly, you do NOT know me.
If you'll talk with M Horn, perhaps he'll share with you ANOTHER view of my "religious" nature!  |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 102
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 01:11 am: |
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Anthony: Post #25:
"Let's switch gears away from John Titor, and his mini black holes, and explore what mainstream science has to say about time travel. Enter professor Ronald Mallett. His experiments to use lasers to create a circulating beam of light to rotate a region of space, is not so different from using gravity wells of black holes to warp a region of space. And since we learn from Einstein that time and space are linked, stirring space, like stirring a cup of coffee in Mallett's example, is also twisting time."
Please share your source where you drew this from. |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 103
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 01:39 am: |
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Pendrake On your Post #18:
(in deference to you and the stages we are all at)
The largest difference between the two 'stories' you are utilizing = 40,000 pages of BEAM materials and 73 years of history, consistent positions, direct, evolutionary pathway, provable prophetics(I've lived through 35 years of Meier's sharing).
Does that - in itself make his(BEAM) materials superior = Yes, IMO. Consistency, evolutionary growth and always speaking directly to others when asked questions(baring "Prime Directive" precautions).
Matt - in his post #951(many thoughts shared with this forum) shared a very valid conclusion. Direct words and open sharing of his opinion included!
Talking/writing/thinking about 'time-travel', by anyone - is always connected to their level of evolution - just a 'matter-of-fact'.
The discussions herein in the last 2 months have rehashed Titor(again, again, again), but THOSE have given a few insights to the readers, about process of thought, personalities, and the wise few, tidbits of clearer comprehension of how it is accomplished.
ALSO, Titor has NEVER withstood the heat of examination. That, in itself - causes 'belief system growth' due to non-testable, logical processing. READ THAT TWICE.
Even the posters here have taken more heat than that!
Read more, study more, pay attention to particle physics elements; differentiate between the different theories and test a few where you are able. Realize the connection between YOUR particles, and your evolutions; follow Creationary (Laws of Nature) principles. Take steps; ponder, respect the ones you do NOT agree with, as they have experience in paths where you have NOT trod. Utilize logics, and 'Intelligent Laws of Thought'(specific theorems of identity, non-contradiction, calculation-obfuscation, excluded-middle, and repeatability); stick YOUR foot into the pond where alligators swim!
Good Luck!
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Corey
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Post Number: 530
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 01:51 am: |
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Shark mode wrote: "you are right about "thousands" of years ahead of us technically. In the movie "Contact" it says 3,500 years."
That was true back in the 80's. Since that time the P's have received technological assistance from the Timmars (Asket's people) and now the last update was they are 8,000 years ahead of us technologically.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Shark_mode
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 05:11 am: |
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Hi Blake,
Thanks for the link. It is a time travel Jackpot!
I think I see what you were trying to convey regarding the earth humans need for evolution before time traveling. And this information might also help Mr. Lee understand the spirit lesson we can learn from both Billy Meier and John Titor. And that this discussion we are having is indeed legitimate to this Figu forum.
Excerpt from Contact 142, "Nevertheless, a life form only becomes strong in this ability if he is accordingly developed in his consciousness-evolution and lives out the necessary love for that purpose. This means that such a life form is no longer capable of committing illogical violence against the laws of nature. Thus, he never even enters into temptation any more, if he travels to the past or to the future, to commit illogical violence, such as wanting to change the future through additional acts or deeds in the past. On the other hand, his logical understanding is already so highly evolved that he already recognizes and knows that nothing more can be changed in the past that would shape the future differently than what has already happened, for the future, from which the time traveler came, has already happened as an effect of the preceding causes."
Don't you see my friend, "the temptation" to change the past is really a lesson in self-responsibility. A spirit teaching student knows that every human being, for example, is going through their own personal evolution. To try and change that would interrupt that natural evolutionary process. Not only that, but a temporal driver must practice self-responsibility to not change things, essentially be just an observer, to prevent themselves from getting lost in a divergent universe. That is how I know there is spiritual relevance to this discussion. The burden of changing things on a time travel is not on the worldline, as time is set in stone, but rather on the traveler to practice due diligence to observe the laws of nature, so he/she can return to their original time-space configuration from which they came.
Best regards,
Anthony |
Theredpill
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Post Number: 37
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 09:13 am: |
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If any of you are around the Phoenix area and interested in meeting for tea locally at a convenient time on this type of discussion (not just Time Travel but other mysteries touched upon by Billy), I'm open for it...
Since this forum does not have a private message option please let the moderators know (since all messages are manually reviewed, this is a given) and I assume they wouldn't mind sending you my email address privately since they have access to everyone's for correspondence when permission is given in this manner.
Some topics cannot be proved to the satisfaction of anyone, but I am interested in hearing more about them personally and investigating them myself.
I don't know much but I am willing to listen to fellow persons who agree on the authenticity of Meier material, but remain open to possibilities. I just find it hard to ignore the commonality and the obvious intelligence that took all of us to this conclusion here and now.
Let me know if this is a problem, moderators. |
Shark_mode
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Post Number: 28
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 05:19 pm: |
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Hi everybody,
I'm having a ball with Contact 142. This says everything when it comes to the mechanics of temporal and spatial travel:
"Billy- Ah, now it starts to take form. Now, if people or machines and such travel into the past or the future, these are invisible there to the people or other life forms living there, although the time travelers can live there if they find suitable living conditions. This is in contrast to when people or machines simply penetrate into parallel times and, thus, into parallel dimensions, which are temporal and spatial and are, thus, exactly materially the same as the time plane from which the time travelers came. This is so even if such another parallel dimension was created somewhat sooner or later than the one from which the time travelers came. It’s just important that the spatial and temporal relationships are exactly the same, right?
Semjase- 98. Why do you always ask me if you have sufficient knowledge about this?"
So Billy details two different forms of technical time travel. One means where the driver enters the foreign dimension and is invisible; and another means where the driver and his equipment can "penetrate" and interact with his/her surroundings. Much like when Billy met the old guy from the past and gave him the flashlight. Billy was not invisible this trip; and the technology to get him to the past penetrated the environment. The reason I think that there is the invisibility form of time travel is for security. To help the traveler from making any changes (Contact) that could cause instability for the driver to get home. Think of this form of TT as training wheels on a bicycle. What is being trained is to take self-responsibility for your thinking, feeling and actions so that you can make minimal footprint on your destination universe.
I especially love this one, it confirms parallel worldlines: "...exactly materially the same as the time plane from which the time travelers came. This is so even if such another parallel dimension was created somewhat sooner or later than the one from which the time travelers came."
You got to love that a "parallel dimension" was created "sooner or later." This confirms that a time traveler can be irresponsible and interact with and create change in a penetrated time travel jump. This change would not effect the original worldline, but rather the driver who would send himself to his self-created universe.
Best regards,
Anthony |
Theredpill
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Post Number: 38
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 08:07 pm: |
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Eddie,
To answer that question, you will need to go outside of the BEAM material, at least the parts that have already been translated into English.
There are other sources providing many of the pieces to this puzzles, this includes the BEAM materials as well, the question is really if the receiver is able to comprehend the grand implication of this knowledge.
Sorry at this time I am only willing to share details to these thoughts with someone I know is ready, and I am willing to say the possibility exists that I may be completely off-base, since my observation of a good number of responses on this forum and elsewhere relating to BEAM suggest that it will do more harm than good sharing some types of information.
This post is in congruence to the BEAM message, that much I will say, and no more.
Salome. |
Shark_mode
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Post Number: 31
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 - 05:30 am: |
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Hey T57,
Just do a Google or YouTube search for professor Ronald Mallett. He is all over the web stirring his cup of coffee.
Cheers,
Anthony
Btw- I know that you are not a religious person; but we can all fall-off-the-wagon from time to time and be religious. Personally, I think the John Titor case is very important to understanding parallel dimensions and how this relates to time travel. It is only the religious mind that would toss this away because of the MINIMAL thing Billy has said about it. It may be "fantasy," but it sure is NOT "RUBBISH" in my mind. |
Shark_mode
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Post Number: 33
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 - 05:59 am: |
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Hi everybody,
I think I made a mistake here by calling the Plejaren invisibility time travel as entering a parallel dimension. After reading it over again, this invisibility technical means is not entering a parallel, but rather staying on the original (origin) worldline.
"Billy - Now, if people or machines and such travel into the past or the future, these are invisible there to the people or other life forms living there, although the time travelers can live there if they find suitable living conditions. This is in contrast to when people or machines simply penetrate into parallel times..."
Cheers!
Anthony |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 104
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - 01:45 pm: |
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Anthony;
One thing you'll discover about me as you continue your journey - I challenge EVERYTHING -especially Meier. It is the 'cult level' of thought that promotes any idea - that lacks the verifiability process - as something to be followed. That is not necessarily a pointed statement - though it is absolutely true.
Perhaps, the many (IMO from observations) conclusions are from a state where people have not challenged the matter sufficiently and appear to argue for that {unverifiable conclusions}. That IS=cult thought process.
The largest - IMO- difference between Meier's writings-history-culmination of verifiable projections(both prophesy and prediction) and the rest of the many areas I've studied - is his(Meiers) subjects make a hellova greater sense than the rest of the mythic worlds(especially including Titor=religions=power-cults, etc).
"Parallel dimensions" has a number of definitions(per CR 142). When Meier calls Titor "rubbish", perhaps it IS because he has seen that there is no such data=person=event?? ALso, it would be similar for you to tell me a myth about something of factory produced 1957 BelAirs, that I KNOW not to be true - as I have disassembled and reassembled many- frame-off!?
Who would be the better judge to determine the factual event? The one who HAS studied and traveled in time, or the one who reads about it, OR simply claims to have done such - without any verifiable proofs?
You can contemplate any, all or pieces of Titor's story; the final conclusion - from this point in time - would be it is false=a story=a myth= fiction=cult.
Not all that difficult to reason through . . . . .
(I'll check out the search suggestion - though be prepared to read/hear my commentary . . . ) |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 105
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - 02:20 pm: |
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Another comparison:
Andrew Basiago(an attorney in my city) claims similar time travels!
BS! |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 106
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - 02:19 pm: |
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On the debunking of the John Titor story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpMYq6kT62M
Many proposed events NEVER came to pass! |
Pendrake
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Post Number: 20
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - 01:18 pm: |
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Ahh regarding post number 28 – excellent find there on that one. Shark-mode remains to be the absolute Rock of sense on all this yet again. As Reasonable, succinct and penetrating as ever. Terrestrial Earth Human …Dare to be Reasonable! This is how the forum should go as far as I am concerned…a bit more of a easy going flow…- to not always have to be desiring of this ‘hot kitchen' or something that T57 was going on about…some kind of raging Dante’s inferno of tempestuous firey debate where hot fires/coals are thrown about! Ok jokes aside, is still a bit bemusing still why one or two of the other posters seem to have this unmerciful axe to wield. I was having a look at a few of the other past posts over the years. There was no full consensus as far as I could see on the Titor case. It remains to be, in spite of T-ster’s assertions… quite the Enigma, and therefore in that sense remains as one of the few left ‘special cases’ – yes yes of course there are any number of asinine junk stories that are not worth going near of, of course this is true, and yes of course it doesn’t measure up in any way compared to Billy’s case.. But the likes of myself , Shark-mode and quite of a number of past posters, by the looks of things, just sense that it remains to be this odd peculiarity that evades full fathoming, and so that maybe it is worth going back to now and again…this is all really.! There should be no reason to feel so threatened! Tster (stirrer-upper) wants all the boxes to be checked on the science front – but btw I happened to take note that there was one quite interesting past-post about this on the forum..that if it was the case that future terrestrial Time traveller’s stumbled onto a ‘rough’ version of time-travelling..they might not even fully grasp or understand in entirety the full theoretical principles that were coming into play. Thus to surmise from this that hypothetically It could be the case that there are science elements that T57 would be desiring of – to be contained in the Titor Time travelling technology ..that JT himself might have been unaware of. In any case I found that to be one of the interesting propositions. This is just one further possibilities pertaining to things. There are all kinds of other further aspects and possibilities that are certainly WORTH looking into and exploring in my decided honest opinion. I don’t see this as any big crime.
Now getting to this….
Newitiation,
A few things,
About names/usernames I have something to say on this – but think it is best served as a separate post probably in a different section altogether, that I will get to at a later point.
About agendas: there is nothing to be concerned about here in any respect on that count. The moderators know who I am for probably about ten years now or so. Rest assured there are no concerns on that front!
Going back to an earlier point of yours…” The biggest mystery is, if as he claims that he has come from the future, why aren't every cat and dog under the sun in this hyper materialistic world that we live in.........trying to wring every bit of info on the future stock prices, the next lottery number, the best property investment opportunity, their own future, ideas into the next killer app and tech, info on how to build the time travel device that he traveled with, military technology, state of the time periods for up to 2036 on social trends and many other pertinent information for any person or nation to get the upper hand and so on. “
With respect , from what I remember usually your posts are pretty penetrating..but this I am forced to say shows clearly to me that you are not so familiar with the Titor material to any big degree..(he was only around for a short time posting very obscurely/remotely and was long gone before the real interest started kicking in..owing to the fact that many of the things he had made projections for were beginning to take effect, nobody even thought to check for his IP address at the time..most likely because he wasn't being believed as John himself had figured would be the case) and so thus on account of these points, what you were saying is indicative alas really of yet another dismissal out of hand.
Now btw, When I had come across the titor case originally I think it was the same I may have been just dismissing it as being too preposterous right from the get-go, and so to say that I might have even gone through a stage of that myself even..but interestingly I note that T57 was applauding your post – (that yet again I am just forced to say shows that you haven’t spent a huge amount of time absorbing the bare facts of the case)…and that this is highly reflective again that actually when it comes to it..that T57 has NOT done his ‘due diligence’ after all – in spite of his constant declarations on this front. This is just the way I see things on a logical front in this instance.
Now that said – what you were outlining in respect to ‘Project Serpo’ – is maybe something of a little interest, that could be worth looking at more. Yet however to bring it back to the actual content. Well the character John himself came across as a very decent fellow. He was always saying very responsible things in his posts and was well liked..and was quite exemplary in respect to conducting his affairs in the right manner..always giving the right dose of ‘due diligence’ – as a correctly acting responsible time-traveller (haha – good one there Shark mode! )
Extracts from the original posts from Titor:
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The people who understand what they are seeing are not aggressive. Everyone else just finds them entertaining. The obvious first answer is that the only worldline of consequence is my own and I don't care what happens here. That however, is not the case. I have shown these documents in order that people might consider the possibility. I do not expect people to believe them.
“As far as war goes, I have faith you are quite capable of starting one all by yourself. I am hard pressed to accept any criticism on my outlook on that subject. Growing up might have been a vastly different experience for me than it was for most of you. Personal responsibility, determination, honor, friendship and self-reliance are not just words we try to live up to or fantasize about.”
}
Now re: the following from you
‘Since he and Semjase traveled back in time Billy is definitely not existing simultaneously with his other self in the very present moment. ‘
You maybe have the got the idea that I was implying it was something else but not so – it is as you have said. A time trip, surely so, 2 days into the past wherein then to say…… ‘in that’ – ‘present moment’ there would then have been two billys (existing simultaneously) – in which there would have been a difference of 3 days in respect to spirit lineage, and in the final analysis similar enough you might say to billy meeting Jmmanuel (if we are to think of things in the spirit-form domain)
Nevertheless..this doesn’t take away from the fact that there
is then ‘another version’ (2 versions of Billy that are living and breathing in the same world-line) – that exist simultaneously.
And so to extrapolate further from it..(and just one of the further additional reasons why it has a relevance to explore imo)
If we are to designate an A and B to respectively the time travelling Billy (A), and then to the Billy who is natively existing in his own timeframe That billy being (B)
Well now that there are two , it begs the question which one ultimately will make it back to real time (to the ‘starting point’)..when it comes to the stage of the whole trip entire coming to an end. Will it be either A or B? (will get back to the starting point assuming that B will eventually go on his own time-journey as things progress normally for him himself…as it goes along for him in turn.)
& Bringing it back to Titor again, and also availing of the ‘hall of mirrors’ analogy. Consider the following…in relation to the whole issue of ‘returning to the starting point’.
{
Your mission to go back in time seems rather pointless since you stated earlier there is no way to get back to your exact starting point.
The reality of infinite possibilities is rather difficult to get a grip on and if it were not for the math, I would delegate it to the realm of religion. I like to think of it as standing in a room with mirrors on all the walls. I can look to my right and left and see many "mes" all doing exactly the same thing. If we all took a step to our right and passed through a dimensional doorway to the next mirrored room, it would be very difficult to tell if anything had changed. In that sense, there are an infinite number of worldlines waiting for me to return with the computer. If I can get to one of them, I have completed my mission.
It would seem then that another time traveler that looks like you could arrive on your worldline of origin with another IBM computer and no one would know the difference.
}
Thus if we are to take them as distinct – (at that point where there are TWO – IS there a problem in respect to WHICH one will make it make it back , if there is ONLY one time-line and one time-line alone…which will be returning A or B? or both? Or does the possibility of further world-lines serve to rectify in some such a potential problem if it was found that there was one here in this respect– Could the Titor case offer even an incremental basis for a further understanding of these little complexities on the hypothetical that it were true as a whole, not that anyone is actually saying that the Titor case is absolutely true by the way it PAINS/irks me to have to remind yet further again, just that there are a few things that stick out that ring a few bells. Is there an issue here that is legitimately worth talking about in a friendly way on the forum.
Or is it just to be expected that we go along with whatever T57 has to say on the assurance that he has it all figured out..and that if anyone says anything to the contrary we have to listen to his growling about it…as he is lounging with his fellow eminent profs leafing through dusty old books pertaining only to what is testable and to what has been hitherto thusfar-only understood. Dream killers I say, dream killers all! 
Now something else…there is the following extract……from the CN, about the P’s on the way towards arriving at a finalized state of working technology , many mistakes are made. Problems technical glitches that need to be ironed out….
{
Ptaah:
5. Everything has not yet advanced so far that our transportation systems would be useful for life forms and, thus, for
humans. 6. Errors still appear that demand from us that we still perform tests with some materials that still frequently
get lost during transport; they probably leave from the output location, respectively from the sending location, but
they don’t arrive at the destination. Billy: Then they get lost somewhere in the dematerialized, energetic state
between the place of departure and the destination. They get lost, so to speak, between dimensions or in foreign
dimensions, right? Ptaah: 7. That’s right. Billy: Why, then, don't you ask Asket’s friendly people for assistance, the ones who invented these transportation systems? Ptaah: 8. Their scientists aren’t more advanced in these respects
and don’t own any higher cognition about it than what is owned by our own scientists. 9. The systems have become a
collaborative work, so all scientists of both peoples work together.
}
Well something of a similar nature going on with our future selves ,supposedly as we ourselves go through the experimentation/finalization procedures…
TimeTravel_0 : I will tell you a little story.
TimeTravel_0 : When time travel was invented.
TimeTravel_0 : They built prototypes that would go back in time for a
split
second and then return.
TimeTravel_0 : They had sensors and cameras on them.
TimeTravel_0 : ...and they never returned.
G° : and forwards as well? how about a single jump forwards?
TimeTravel_0 : It was later discovered that the machines were ending up
about 15 miles away and 3000 feet in the air.
TimeTravel_0 : The Earth was rotating away from them.
wyrmkin_37 : synchroniaztion please
TimeTravel_0 : A system had to be invented that would "hold" the machine
to
the Earth.
TimeTravel_0 : Its called VGL
TimeTravel_0 : Its based on very sensitive clocks and gravity sensors.
Is not really such an important thing in the grand scheme, but just another tid-bit showing maybe something of value, namely that as much as the we ERR , so too do the Plejaren in equal, at times similar manners , oftentimes there may be the sliding into that kind of mind-set or thinking that they are near perfect beings with such immaculate technological prowess , yet however the first extract demonstrating that they are quite far from this …and so really that they are just as human as we…wherein the possibility for imperfections/errors of various kinds may always be present. Most definitely not angels of any kind or any crap like that…
One of the ones that Titor made a projection of…he said that mini black holes or microsingularities powered his time machine. He also stated that they would be discovered and developed in our lifetime.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4357613.stm
T57 wants Tachyon particles to be included in the Titor technology-specs, yet however in contact 251 there is no mention of this in relation to our future discovering of time travel capabilities. Yet whilst this is so , there most certainly IS a direct reference or inferred connection to black holes, as Shark-mode has very astutely taken note of once again. Nothing of which seems to be of any interest to T57 though. And anyway as if anyone living or breathing right now would know the full effects of mini-black holes or micro singularities, come on gimme a break! Especially as they are only just about of late coming on stream as is outlined in the page I linked to above. Definitely too much decades-long lording it about with collegiate chums thinking ONLY of the tried and tested alone.
Btw lastly for Ramirez
Yes good point you made…..I happen to think myself that a good analogy for dealing with the issue of having multiple instances of spirit forms could be the following one …essentially that being the example of a cathode ray tube of a tv set.. whereat comprising inside of it one original beam…but then the light gets diffracted in order to then exist at many different points on the Tv plane as ‘pixels’ – yet nevertheless it is the same light (light source – or fully equal part of the spirit-form lineage as it were, and so maybe in that sense less of a secondary ‘copy’ as it were but existing rather instead more on the lines of a fully-fledged equally redistributed aspect…or in the spirit teaching, I think, one may be inclined to put it as existing on the same spirit lineage) – anyway is just something I thought of one time, maybe is not a million miles off the mark in some manner, by way of serving as some kind of useful analogy.
ok is all for now.
P100 out. |
Shark_mode
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Post Number: 35
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - 04:39 pm: |
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Dear Matt Lee,
You said this on another thread, "I cannot help but bring to light your recent emphasis on the Titor 'fantasy rubbish' and coupling it with Billy's words as if to make it appear that Billy endorses Titor's ideas by having raised a few subjects with the Plejaren which may resemble it to you."
Please my friend, I have done nothing of the sort. Did you read any of my posts? I'm being serious. I have NEVER claimed that the John Titor case is real, nor have I said it was a hoax. I am trying to tread carefully. That is why, unlike many of the senior posters here, I have actually scoured around and posted actual Figu quotes to back up my comparison with the John Titor case. Most people here just write there own opinions, granted many in line with the spiritual teaching, that are unnecessarily long and un-useful to the careful Billy Meier student. Many of the times there is no Billy Meier quote or source to back up one's spiritual lesson they are trying to give to the forum.
I know that there are people who want to distort the truth by bleeping with the Meier material. I get that. BUT that is not what I'm trying to do. I am pro Billy Meier; and I will CLAIM it is real from my years of studying the case. I am doing no such thing for Titor. I am also being careful by even correcting my mistakes to limit any confusion or spreading of nonsense (please see post 33).
My good man, aren't you concerned or at least curious why Billy would say that parallel dimensions (time-space configurations) do not exist in his Questions--Answered thread (to myself and Norm); and then we find in Contact 142 that Billy has been talking about parallel dimensions all along when it comes to a form of time travel?
If you want my opinion. And remember do not believe anything I say. I think it is Figu who has been IRRESPONSIBLE all these years with their childlike answers about the cause and effect of a time travel by saying that you can't change things; and then recently saying in the Billy questions--answered thread that parallel universes do not exist. If you have been paying attention to my careful posts in this thread, you will see that BILLY(!) says that a form of time travel -- where you can be visible and interact with the people and the environment -- "...is when when people or machines simply penetrate into parallel times and, thus, into parallel dimensions..." John Titor (real or hoax) is saying the same thing with his divergent worldlines. You are either lost with what I'm saying; or you are judging me as a distorter of the truth because I'm a a new member with a handful of posts compared to you.
You also said on that other thread, "...your unique phase of learning is stuck having to go around in circles about Titor's fantasy in public, the public will try to help you out of that merry-go-round at first but unless you reach your hand out, that public will just watch you getting dizzied on the sideline and maybe have a laugh or two."
I hope people are getting laughs. And I think it's a mary-go-round." If I use a bleep word, for example, it is to be funny. But I am sorry that I set a poor example in the past by using F bombs and other cuss words. To be honest, the reason I like saying bad words is because religious people think it is bad. I especially love "goddamn. (last time I use a four letter word, and instead say variations of word "bleep" on this forum) I love taking God's name in vain to prove that I don't support religion. The other reason I like that particular cuss word is because it is popular in the "Alien" movies franchise. The characters say it as the dominant cuss word in ALL of the movies. I think the writers make sure to write it in. And I am a major fan of them, especially the Ridley Scott directed movies. So forgive me if I'm a 'barbarian' and want to get jazzed about spaceships, time machines, extra-dimensions, aliens, etc.; I'm an earth human with a healthy curiosity to know.
Kind regards,
Anthony |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 107
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - 05:47 pm: |
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Pendrake's Post #20 - Rubbish. |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 108
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - 06:25 pm: |
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It is fast becoming apparent why parents do NOT allow children to play with guns.
There are those posters who seemingly bait or demand such privilege(playing with knowledge NOT absorbed by their minds, and consciousness blocks), and then continue on with illogical uses and beliefs, hoping to eke out a pheromonal tickle for their brains.
I am in recent agreement with 'Theredpill', in limiting discussion of this subject to off-line evolving-oriented-logic-fact-based minds.
Otherwise, any such discussion here is going to be buried in 'Titor' belief systems and people who support Basiago and Preston. |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 109
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - 05:50 pm: |
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Anthony; glad to see you're enjoying this!
Check your email for my commentary upon the remainder.
B-T-W: I like to use such expletives, and have a choice few - which I can use, but choose to - currently - forgo and invite a rational, thinking, "know-oriented' mind". |
Indi
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Post Number: 754
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - 08:34 pm: |
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I think this discussion has become rather circular now, and therefore not being of benefit any further. Of course, off-line discussion might be something some of you might want to continue with, however, this discussion has found its natural point of 'no advancement', and therefore it might be best to move onto other more fruitful areas of discussion about time travel.
Lively discussion is always encouraged, as are peaceful and rational ones, and differing perspectives are all we have to keep things out of balance enough to keep development and evolution in play.
Salome
Robyn
Denken Sie für sich selbst!
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Thomas57
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Post Number: 110
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2014 - 09:52 am: |
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Thank you, Robyn; for bringing some semblance of sanity; "circular" IMO- is a mildly put statement.
I did find a famous quote from Buddha that seems very useful:
“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”
Seems to align with many of Meier's GOT section. |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 111
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2014 - 10:01 am: |
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Regarding CR 248:
Please; anyone quoting from a CR, include the CR number, and it's very helpful to post the Original German with the translations.
I've found, when studying Meier's material(writings, conversations, Spirit Lessons; FIGU publications), that the whole of the study removes such 'circular' arguments. |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 112
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2014 - 12:11 pm: |
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Here's a link for those who think stories like Titor, Basiago, and Preston Nichols are actual events:
http://www.sockshare.com/file/203841564D5B0D83
The fellow in Ventura's program, is a local lawyer under another name. |
Shark_mode
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Post Number: 37
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2014 - 03:40 pm: |
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The mod Robyn says, "...this discussion has found its natural point of 'no advancement', and therefore it might be best to move onto other more fruitful areas of discussion about time travel."
This is absolutely ridiculous. This discussion has uncovered many spiritual ideas. I have shown the importance of self-responsibility when it comes to not interfering with events. I have tried to demonstrate that there is no "hand of God" controlling the timeline. I have shown that there can be no changes to the timeline when the time travel form is on the original timeline. Unless of course the time travel has happened in the natural course of time. And, USING Meier's own SOURCES I have tried to show that a "penetrated" (ability to interact) time travel is to a parallel timelime. This would explain perhaps why Frehner said that we can change the severity (through logic and reason in our might of thoughts) the San Francisco earthquake that Billy time traveled to see and photograph. Perhaps this is a good example of a time travel to a parallel dimension and not our actual time-space configuration?
Also, take for example Frehner's recent comment in questions--answered thread that it would not be possible to recover the original TJ scrolls through time travel; but that you could take a picture of it. I would think this is because the invisibility time travel to the original line is a noninterference jump; so NO contact. And the scrolls were already destroyed in the course of time. But perhaps a time traveler could photograph the scrolls from behind his/her invisibility? This is just my opinion. I am NOT promoting belief and nonsense!!!
This thoughtless censorship is why I do not support Figu and will throw my Figu forum user account into the trash. I will not support this lack of tolerance for some people's ideas, even with due diligence, credible sources, and care has been used to share an unpopular perspective; and an acceptance of another group, that has not even tried to counter with anything other than censorship.
Regards,
Anthony |
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