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    Corey Member Post Number: 895 Registered: 12-2009 |
Hawaiian, you wrote: "As I have said repeatedly, for material beings, it is within the dream realms that most closely resembles their next evolutionary stage, which is the half material and where physical laws not longer applies (see 6th and 7th sense PdF file for reference)." This is false, it is the waking realm, and the material life, and it's human beings conscious, and unconscious evolution, that are the doorway, after millions of years, to the next step of evolution, of the high council. Since you posted about it, can you back up what you say with cited references from this 6th and 7th sense pdf, can you even accurately post what the 6th and 7th senses are? You repeatedly got them confused inaccurately (with your own "blendings") in the past... Post what they are so everyone can see, and I will tell you if you are correct or not. Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2563 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hawaiian, Could you please respond to these posts. We have allowed you the courtesy of posting numerous times in the past and then when you received responses you failed to follow-up. Thank you Scott-Moderator | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 04-2015 |
Votan, imo people are just plain stupid if they join Scientology now after it has been revealed what it is about and what goes on in there, especially with what they do to members that decide to leave. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1087 Registered: 07-2009 |
Tet, You should know the following, then maybe you'd not only cease making inaccurate assumptions but delve into the information: "My colleagues and I may have made breakthroughs in our understanding of possibilities and ways for traveling faster than light from Billy Meier's accounts of his encounters with the Plejarens...If what this Meier is saying is just a hoax, he's being cued by some very knowledgeable scientists. I've only discussed this Meier case with scientists who are fairly open-minded about interstellar flight, but I'll tell you, the majority of them think it's credible and agree at least with part, or sometimes all, of the things talked about by the Plejarens." David Froning (http://theyfly.com/Scientific_Experts.html) Likewise your assumptions about the military being behind the contacts is equally way off target. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1088 Registered: 07-2009 |
Hi Kiriona, Regarding the link you provided, more New Age, psychobabble disinformation. So many people pumping out this kind of unsubstantiated nonsense. You will have to weed through and decide for yourself but if you use the evidence, information and spiritual teaching in the Meier case as reference points..it all soon becomes very much easier to recognize the noise for what it is. | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 386 Registered: 12-2011 |
Corey Are you a expert on this subject. Every person has the right to a opinion. Far too much criticism is posted on this site. joe | ||
Gary New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2015 |
Hi Billy, My present understanding about crystals and gem stones, is that they are 'recievers, amplifiers, and transmitters' of energy. That they first need to be 'neutralised' and that the only really effective way to do this is under a copper pyramid for 90 minutes. they should be worn a 'hand width' above the nipples. Also that the personal birth date specifies the appropriate crystal/gems ( I feel that a list of this would be helpfull, as also correction of the above ) My question is - Would you kindly spend some of your time enlarging and elaborating on this information as much as you see fit to ? Many thanks, from your friend in England, Gary}} | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1090 Registered: 07-2009 |
Votan, Sometimes far too much nonsense is posted too. Criticism isn't always a negative. It can help people become more precise and accurate if things are pointed out to be not true, incomplete, inaccurate, etc. And from what I can tell, Corey is quite knowledgeable about the material and also reads it in the original German. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 896 Registered: 12-2009 |
Votan, Here we go again. Saying the 7th sense is telepathy when it's not (according to the material) is incorrect. Sometimes criticism is necessary when people change what Billy has written, in their teaching, and perception of the material. It's not all bunnies and flowers. Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Kiriona Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 07-2015 |
To FIGU, BEAM and the Plejarans, Can someone please give me an opinion on the Sphere Alliance (as in spherebeingalliance.com etc) and recent developments according to this site? BTW - thanks for your input Michael but I need to hear from one of the above. Maungaarongo (Peace) Kiriona | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 387 Registered: 12-2011 |
Corey Yes who is right and who is wrong.We are all human and we are allowed to make mistakes. joe | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 898 Registered: 12-2009 |
Votan, Yes, no one is w/o errors, but in this case, part of the teaching stipulates mistakes are the necessary stepping stones towards evolution, but they have to be eliminated, and resolved, to learn from them, so one can evolve. (see point 13 of pamphlet "FIGU in a nutshell", also "the Might of the Thoughts" page 196-198). The problem here is, yes Hawaiian has the right to his opinions, but he needs to learn from his mistakes like everyone else. He just posts his inaccuracies, and theories, and then disappears for like 4 or 5 months, without reading people's responses, who try to help him, by correcting him. So it's a vicious, repeating cycle, and he never learns otherwise. MH, Thanks for the props! I am equally enthralled by your time-travel book delivery system! Keep 'em coming, good sir! After all the skeptic's emails you sift through on a daily basis, it must be nice to have someone call you sir, sir!  Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 388 Registered: 12-2011 |
Corey Thank goodness that we are different. It would be a boring world if we all agreed with everything we read. We are all here to learn by our mistakes. Please do not pounce on a person who has a different point of view. joe | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 157 Registered: 01-2011 |
By the way you got my attention you two.... just what exactly is the 7th Sense and where does telepathy fall into the lineup of things? bronzedesk (Mat) And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time. ~ T. S. Eliot | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 909 Registered: 12-2009 |
Mat, Hawaiian has previously incorrectly stated that the 6th sense is "intuition", and the 7th sense is "telepathy", but this is incorrect. According to what Billy writes in the explanation to OM 32:117 the 6th and 7th senses are (*A): 6th sense: Feelings, that originate out of thoughts. 7th sense: The perceiving in a fine-spiritual wise, with the Psyche resp. the perceiving in a fine-spiritual wise from the spirit-realm = received with the consciousness. 6) Gefühle, die aus den Gedanken entstehen. 7) Empfinden mit der Psyche resp. Empfinden aus dem Geistbereich = Empfangen mit dem Bewusstsein. my thoughts: At first it may be easy to confuse "telepathy" with what the 7th sense really is, which is perceiving in a fine- spiritual wise, using your Pineal Gland, which is sent to the Psyche, and registered in the consciousness. And "intuition" would most likely be tied into the 7th sense, like "the Goblet of the Truth" says let's say you are walking down the street, and you meet a man that is very disheveled in his appearance, and very unkept, but you instantly like him, and you can tell that he is a very good person, and that, despite his appearance, you can trust his, this is perceiving in a fine-spiritual wise, and using your 7th sense. The other side to this coin is, let's say you meet a man, who is perfect in his appearance, very clean, and kept, but you get a bad feeling not to let this perfect looking man near your children, or your valuables, and you instantly do not trust him, as you can tell you should not trust him. This is also using your 7th sense, which is sensing what goes beyond the eyes, picking up on the "vibrations" of this man, which set-off alarms to you, despite his perfect appearance. These "the perceiving in a fine-spiritual wise" (German word "Empfinden") are done with the Psyche, and registered by the consciousness, but enter the body, from the spirit-realm, through the Pineal Gland according to Jacob. Billy writes that feelings (6th sense), like thoughts, should be closely monitored, and if you can control your thoughts, you can control your feelings, and you will become a master of yourself. If you want to improve your 7th sense, you can try working on the concentration exercises Billy writes about in "the Psyche" and his meditation book, which can aid in the Pineal Gland's use. As for where exactly Primary Telepathy fits in, I really do not know, as I am still (and always will be) a learner, I can tell you it's definitely not the 7th sense, as you can see from my above examples! Salome Corey *A= a portion of OM 32:117 explanation translation done by Corey, Copyright FIGU/BEAM Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
King20192003 Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 08-2014 |
Hi Guys I feel like the secret services like CIA.....are closely monitoring us. However, they are not really taking any action because they knew BEAM still in contact with with Plejaren. For some reason I felt like once BEAM has his "angel wing", the secret services will wipe us out since none of other FIGU members will be in contact with Plejaren and we are pretty much worthless to the secret services. Wouldn't be surprise they will shut us down.. What do you guys think of that possibility? | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 573 Registered: 09-2011 |
King20192003, There's no reason to fall into unnecessary paranoia/fearful thinking that doesn't serve anyone. I doubt the FIGU will be targeted by the secret services any more than any one else in this world is. The FIGU group doesn't really threaten the biggest sets of lies and machinations with exposure so much as it vaguely points out the obvious. Certain members of the FIGU may be silenced for saying that not only Roman, but also Noah, between them basically run this world. In so saying, we are not supported by the FIGU. The FIGU keeps it nebulous so as to not offend anyone, and especially not the Jews. Indeed, many people who frequent this forum may be offended by this here antisemitic comment for the simple reason that it does not mention Jews in respectful/reverential tones. Because it is so self-censoring, I seriously doubt the FIGU will ever raise even near enough ire to warrant being targeted by 'the secret services'. Mostly, they will just keep an eye on what people think about the possibility of extraterrestrial contact, this to help them form people's opinions. There is other stuff to fear, if you want to lie awake at night worrying. One such stuffing is the long-term impact of Semitic extremists. The Islamic State is being backhandedly built up by the powers-that-be, not laid low as they say they are half-heartedly attempting to do. Does anyone in the world really think that a rising Islamic State is going to make for a pleasant future? Someone must. Another such stuffing concerns the immature gyrations and threats of the Jewish power block recoiling from more general exposure. Will they successfully cause another war to divert attention from themselves? War for fun and profit, especially if it's a European race war, but I suspect that will occur only if they can get some assurances that nukes won't be involved, or if they are, they will only be small ones or neutron bombs. And we can worry about the impact of Apophis, which will kill many Northern European people, yes, but at what cost? Apophis will also set in motion a series of negative impacts upon the rest of the planet for probably centuries to come. Planetary carbon cascade is predictable at this point, if we don't develop some viable method to reverse it. Denuding of the oceans, Fukushima poisoning, the environmental list goes on and on. All of this stuff to worry about is real, but my personal favorite fear nowadays is the rise of the war machines: I don't think we Earth-bound humans can collectively stop ourselves from developing such war machines and enhanced soldiers that all humanity itself is wiped from planet Earth. Idunno, maybe this is a good thing. God knows we shouldn't spread our certifiable brands of self-justified morality into outer space. There, that's something to worry about. And that doesn't even touch upon the single most effective driver of this whole set of worrying stuffs - overpop remains unaddressed, mostly unacknowledged, and it's devastating impacts are unquestionably, absolutely sure. Life | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 930 Registered: 05-2008 |
Well, Mr Michael - why not take yet another opportunity in an endless string of taken opportunities to repeat yet one more time - for good measure (maybe it will get through this time) - personal beliefs derived from age-old 2nd-hand conspiracy theories that have been well-refuted by Billy himself on more than one occasion, that Jews not-so-secretly pull the power-strings for this world, like the Wizard in OZ, and that Billy and FIGU simply protect them because ... they don't wish to offend no less, therefore Billy and FIGU are also guilty of burying the true-truth. Not to mention weaving in several other conspiracy theories of the current day. Michael - you can do better, give it a go. http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 02-2010 |
Hello everyone, it's nice to see everyone's getting along and respecting each other...  Our planet is dying and in order to complete our "evolution" we'll have to move to another planet...right? Question..If we were "on track" with our "evolution" from the beginning, would we have completed the process here on Earth? Or no matter what, we would have had to "move" to another planet in order to complete this process?? Hope this makes sense. MsMichelle | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 574 Registered: 09-2011 |
Thanks Bruce, I appreciate that the quality of our squabble is improving. It makes it easier to hear you, and consider your admonition. This is my conundrum: I genuinely believe what I say. All the more so when there is substantial science and direct physical evidence to support what I say, and only a powerful body of emotive anecdotes, falsified evidence, and derisive statements to discount it. I don't like fingering a group of people as being manipulative, duplicitous, and false. I only do it because this is what I see. When I was young I was insulted when a farmer friend pointed out some imperfection of my character, I forget now what it was. I argued with him that I was better than that. He simply said to me, "I call it like I see it." The implication was that the value of his assessment was in turn backed by the standing of his own character. I wish now that I had worked more with him, rather than dismiss him as being too slow to embrace new ways of seeing. Likewise, I would ask that you now consider that what Jews have been doing to reform other races and cultures is not only invasive, it's wrong. This has been going for a self-justified eon - too long for Jews to be able to cease all at once. The first step is to recognize what's happened, come clean with our history, and listen to the statements of the people whom Jews have impacted. The next step, the one of which Jews are apparently so afraid, is to find a way to live together, work together on this one planet without destroying each other in innumerable subtle ways. Let's move forward from a genuine foundation of mutual honesty and progressiveness. Life | ||
Historeed Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 09-2008 |
Michael, Have you ever reflected on why the Jews seem to always come up in your posts? You must be an intelligent person, but I just can't understand how someone who is so familiar with the Spiritual Teaching could actually think such biased thoughts about an entire group of people and not immediately see that these thoughts are not neutral-positive-equalized thoughts. Sincerely, Matthew Reed Matthew Reed | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 575 Registered: 09-2011 |
Thanks Matthew. I have reflected on that. After all, Jews are not something I want to spend my time contemplating. I think the topic crops up for me again and again because I care, and with many human issues, Jews seem to be at the center of the storm, if not the cause of it. In so many ways, Jews are central to the cultural conflicts that are going on in the modern world. They tend to be the itinerate outragers fighting for some cause. To give an example, there are a number of social justice issues which are growing so emotionally charged that it is difficult to approach them without upsetting someone, and yet outraging Jews tend to be in the center of all of these controversies. To simply give a partial listing as objectively as possible, some of these topics are: Impromptu list of social justice causes worth outraging about race - racism, racial prejudice The idea of racism is almost always seen from one side of the creek or the other. To put it bluntly, racism is not encouraged here. If you are looking for it, you are probably feeling it. There are many races (actually, species) of humans in the universe, and we are all animated by the same spiritual energy, just in differing flavors. As everyone knows, Jews are central to determining who is racist, why, and how horrible they are. Feelings of racial prejudice are always a form of victimization, and thus are emotionally charged. immigration - both legal and illegal immigration This being the need for people from less-developed nations to grow in life by moving to more developed national economies, even though doing so neglects their own societies and disrupts the societies where they immigrate. For many people, esp. Jews, 'rescuing' these people from their own poorly functioning societies is seen as a humanitarian issue, and thus emotionally charged. miscegenation - racial mixing This issue being entangled with racism, the mixing of the genes of differing species of people is unhealthy in a variety of ways, but many people see cross-racial marriage as the surest way to level the playing field, as well as the most definitive way to 'prove' that one isn't an evil racist. Anyone who has a television knows that Jews constantly promote miscegenation in the media. Miscegenation is touted as a way to clear oneself of the guilt for being born, esp. as applied to white people. However, miscegenation also leaves permanent imprints upon the integrity of cultures and races, and thus is emotionally charged. religion - esp. the big three religions Christianity, esp. the declining white-Christian heritage - The Catholic Church in particular is commonly espoused here on the FIGU forum as an organization concerned more with garnering power than the spiritual guidance of mankind. This is also how Jews tend to view Christians - as gullible pollyannas. There are indications that the Catholic Church is slowly moving to adopt the more modern common sense, which is a very good thing. Islam and Muslims, both the common varieties and the radicalized forms - This is another religion that is predictably not viewed so favorably by Jews, to say the least, as much for their barbaric beliefs and practices as for the impacts the people of this religion will likely have upon the future cultural development of Earth. Judaism and Jews - Jews are specifically seen here on this forum as the members and believers of an Abrahamic religion whose most fundamental religious belief seems to be that they are a race apart. Ironically perhaps, the reality of the situation is that Jews do not constitute a distinct race of people, but rather an agglomeration. other religions - The concept of religion itself is a form of self-delusion. People need to be open to the scientific exploration of what-is, not make what-is appear to be what they want it to be in their own minds. Jews have meddled in other peoples' religious beliefs, even while they don't believe in them themselves. ***Religions are by definition closely held belief systems, and thus even looking at them cross-eyed is an emotionally charged offense. The more offended one is, the more one must believe in the cause, and thus the closer one is to God or enlightenment or righteousness or whatever it is that one wants to believe in. drugs - the marijuana and/or drug culture What many people so want to be innocuous, Herr Meier has to declared anathema to both healthy brain functioning and spiritual evolution. Many Jews are involved in promoting the drug culture. Because mental health is affected by physical and mental addiction, this topic is emotionally charged. homosexuality - homosexual marriage, homosexual adoption, gay rights Not commonly recognized by the rest of the world, there is a qualitative difference between male and female homosexuality, the former being more deviant from the norm than the latter. Jews have been central in promoting homosexuality as 'normal' behavior. Because this issue concerns treating people fairly who deeply hold an identity which deviates from the norm, it is emotionally charged. porn The sex industry that's developed has been Jewish. Because people see this as destroying character rather than building it, this is an emotionally charged issue. women’s rights It should be obvious to most everyone that men and women are from equal but distinct planets, and that we need to lean upon each other in order to live a balanced life. There has always been a delicious battle of the sexes, which hopefully will continue as long as we incarnate as humans. The trick is to know that this a game which makes the world a better, brighter place, and is not to be taken seriously in the end. However, under the tutelage of Jews, feminism has taken on extreme proportions in some parts of the world. Because some people, both men and women, have taken this game too seriously, it has become an emotionally charged issue. history - esp. the history surrounding our World Wars Though it hasn’t completely hit home yet, a reassessment of our history from this perspective or that will change the way many people think about themselves, again and again and again. ("There are lies, damn lies, and then there's war.") Jewish interests have a central role in all major wars. Thusly, the various perspectives on history are emotionally charged. work, money, and the inequity of opportunities Many like to point at rich people (or conversely poor) and say, "There goes a useless parasite upon society." The truth be told, we each need progressive work in accordance with our abilities in order to grow. Jews have been central in playing both sides of these issues. Because work, wealth, and opportunity are so intricately tied together with one’s identity, and because there’s not enough of it to go around, these issues are emotionally charged. There are three issues that I think could be added to this list, but they are not pushed as strongly by Jews. Perhaps if they were, they would gain more traction. extraterrestrial societies Since this is a FIGU forum, I hardly think this needs mention, but the impact of the realization that we are not alone in the universe changes many things about how see each other, and treat each other. Because we have lived for so long in a bubble, insulated from this awareness, means that a fair amount of emotional energy has built up over this realization, thus the existence of advanced extraterrestrial civilizations in the universe is an emotionally charged issue. environmental issues These concerns are so overwhelming that they hardly need mentioning. Because it involves our fundamental needs and desires for a healthy life, as well as compassion for other living creatures, environmentalism is an emotionally charged issue. overpop In many ways this single issue drives the contentiousness of many of the other ones listed here, though many people are in denial about it. Because overpop touches on so many other issues, and adds one of its own - the self-validating need to reproduce - overpop is perhaps the most emotionally charged of the issues listed here (excepting your own favorite pet peeve, of course…) Jews constitute my own personal pet peeve for the way they set other groups of people against one-another, manipulatively encouraging immigration and miscegenation for instance, exaggerating and outraging about racial and cultural conflicts as a way to 'break down the barriers' of other cultures. This is always done in the name of fighting for social justice. But this is not the sum total of my frustration with Jews. They are heavily involved in forming the policies of governments and institutions. My own federal government for instance is largely run by and for Jews. If you don't want to believe this, as an experiment, why don't you write a letter to your Congressman voicing opposition to Israel's intervention in the Iranian peace process... and see how long it takes before some disguised g-man watches you, makes an assessment of you. Watch your career get destroyed and further opportunities curiously evaporate. From my own personal experience, Jews hold much more power than, say, the Catholic Church, or the CIA, or even the POTUS, this exemplified by how thoroughly they can destroy your life when it suits them. Yet, truth be told, from lifetime to lifetime, we do switch circumstances and challenges. Bodies are exchanged like masks. To hold fast to any one identity is impossible. The best we can do is to treat everyone fairly, forgiving and accepting that some minor compromises and insults are a necessary part of life. We are not all the same, nor should we be, and thus we are not all equal in every way. One of the fundamental purposes of any higher civilization is to level the playing fields as much as possible, but not so much that its society loses its flavor and meaning. There is a pattern I have tried to emphasize here, namely that these are emotionally charged issues. To reiterate, emotionally charged... - emotion- We are not our emotions, and we can approach these topics intellectually, rather than emotionally, if we so choose. By approaching these topics intellectually first, we can lay the ground rules for our societal relationships logically, reasonably first. Afterwards, then we can all be insulted in various ways and rage about how prejudicial and unfair things are. First lay the ground rules rationally, then when if you want to indulge in emotions you will have a steady framework to support you when you go askew. Life | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1105 Registered: 07-2009 |
Michael Helfert, As has been made clear by Meier and various participants on this forum, you selectively target groups of people in a manner that is irrational, bigoted and comparable to racism. As Christian Frehner wrote, "And of course it is not acceptable to accuse 'the Jews' of all the bad in this world, just as one cannot accuse all Christians or all Muslims or Hindus etc. of all the bad that there is on this planet. Such statements are clearly the sign of poor (or lacking) intelligence of the person who is voicing such silly claims. Just as all Christians are not ONE race, the Jews are also not one race." http://theyfly.com/newsflash4/frhnr01.htm So have you taken the time to really look inwardly to determine from where your thoughts, beliefs and feelings arise? Have you given as much real introspective attention to how this has arisen in…you, from what situations, experiences, other people, etc., you chose to formulate what you even know to be irrational and clearly unintelligent thoughts? Do you have specific individuals in mind as culprits, and as exceptions to, these blanket beliefs? Have you noticed that you attack groups that you perceive to exist, even when many of the people you broad brush don't identify with such categorizations, don't belong or affiliate themselves with them, and don't partake of whatever abuses you think that they must be guilty of? In this manner aren't you actually giving more fuel to the bigotry against people from the...South, from Louisiana, etc., who are perceived as ignorant, backward, uncultured, unintelligent and…bigoted? Couldn't people then conclude that you exemplify these negative characteristics, which also include an uncontrollable compulsion and predisposition to bigotry, etc., and likewise attribute such behavior to most Americans? Have you bothered, therefore, to look inward to process this issue that seems to seethe and fester and preoccupy you so enormously? |
