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Author Message Votan Member Post Number: 400 Registered: 12-2011 Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2015 - 07:59 pm:        Michaelhelfert. All true , everything you say. Ironically they are fighting themselves as they all come from the seven tribes. There are good people and bad people in every race, but they seem to be more for money and power because they lack self esteem. joe Historeed Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 09-2008 Posted on Thursday, August 13, 2015 - 05:16 am:        Michael, I know many Jews and none of them promote the societal ills you list. In fact, the majority of the Jews I know do not think that Israel is infallible, as you would think. They are "normal" human beings who have the same problems most of us have. Perhaps you're conflating Gov't interest groups with entire groups of people? I also disagree that homosexuality is "deviant". Again, I know many homosexuals and none of them are "deviant"...they have the same problems most of us have. See the pattern? Sincerely, Matthew Reed Matthew Reed Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 577 Registered: 09-2011 Posted on Thursday, August 13, 2015 - 07:35 am:        Thanks Michael for the response. It was thoughtful, and considerate of what you know about me. Perhaps I am the child who is tossing a temper tantrum to gain attention. Perhaps I am reacting to the ever-present racism I feel directed towards white people, esp. white Southerners in my life. Perhaps I am clearing out these ill-conceived feelings of ill-will, airing them out so that they no longer affect me. Certainly I have been testing, slinging mud to see what sticks and to whom, honing my criticism to make it more useful. I think that doing this here, on the FIGU forum has a valid purpose. FIGU is supposed to represent all people the world over, regardless of anything. Grounding, coming to some balance on this issue in the middle of promoted conflicts is not easy, all the more so when some arbitrary group feels so aggrieved that it constantly screams epithets towards others. If nothing else, FIGU needs to be able to show people how we can all relate to one-another peaceably, fairly, respectfully. What I see going on right now in the greater world is none of those things, and yet I don't see the FIGU addressing the root causes of that. Perhaps my perspective is a response to our weak neutral-positivity. What I have learned can be a handful to grapple with, without simply giving up and assuming the stance of the leftist's bubblegum morality that we are all the same, culture and race are meaningless, nationalism is a crime against humanity, and that nihilism is the ultimate truth. Still I don't think that way. I have also learned more than just "World Wars 1 and 2 were Jewish stepping stones on the way to global dominance", more than just "Jews are cruel people hell-bent on destroying Western civilization and the whitest races". I have learned that if we are trying to be as realistic as possible, we can't broadly paint Jews in a negative light, but neither can we broadly paint Jews in a positive light. The truth is both much more nuanced and complex than that. Even Hitler (who was not a demon incarnate) learned that not only are Jews racially mixed, so are the purest of the Aryans. Even the racially purest among us are mongrels, to varying degrees. My initial complaint on this forum, years ago now, still stands. I opined that if any group of people were to attempt to make themselves better, others (esp. Jews) would pull them back, work to undermine their efforts. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality) Maybe you disagree with this assessment. In order for me disavow this belief, I would like to literally see/hear/feel the truth of codified assurances that some 'progressive' groups won't work to undermine the other groups of people who work to make themselves better in body, mind, and spirit. While what I see right now is quite the opposite, I do much prefer to see that we all allow each other the room for self improvement, and hopefully even work together to build a better bunch of people on Planet Earth. Writing this response has given me an idea which may help to bring some slight bit of peace to the world, one which I can test. Thank you for that. Let me cogitate on it for a few days, and I will get back to the forum on that. Votan, thanks for the backup. In case you haven't noticed, I am not perfect in my assessment of Jews, and am rather amenable. Hope that helps. Life Stefan_z2 Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 12-2014 Posted on Thursday, August 13, 2015 - 07:43 am:        Hello Michael Helfert, It is quite sad to read your recurring messages that seem to show fear and deeply rooted prejudices about Jews and their evil empire. Some of your statements remind me about my childhood 50 years back in Germany, when grand grandparents talked in a way about minorities that one could notice first-hand the effects of many years of Nazi propaganda and brainwashing. I really hope that you can get this obsession out of your mind. My memory has fooled me, it had not been you who asked a few weeks ago, if the Arahat Ahtersata book mentions something about Israel or the Jews. I have just read if for the first time, and had that specific question in the back of my head. The answer might be of interest to you, as it fits perfectly to the current discussion stream. Neither the Jews nor Israel are mentioned explicitly. And you know what, the book is as outspoken as you want everyone to be. What you can read on page 91, and I am paraphrasing, to avoid the posting getting blocked: The white races on earth shine with ignorance, pushing all others into misery. Peaceful races of color had been, and are still undergoing CHRISTIAN missionary work. Races of color had never acted as brutal and degenerated as the white ones have been doing, and will continue to do for a long time still to come. They see themselves as ruling race on earth. Before now anyone develops her or his own ill-advised kind of xenophobia or hatred, please be reminded that prejudices of no matter what nature are as Michael Horn has already reminded everyone contradicting the teachings. Or to put it more drastic (extracts from pages 11-12 in Arahat Athersata): A man of truth does not know any prejudices. A preconceived opinion means irrationality, doubt and untruth. Is a man still preoccupied with preconceived opinions, it would be better for him to put the message of the spiritual teachings aside, and leave it for those who are capable of searching the truth in impartiality. Salome, Stefan Hugo Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 04-2015 Posted on Thursday, August 13, 2015 - 02:55 pm:        I used to look down and make fun of homosexual's not knowing why they were like that. Some years ago after I found the Meier material I understood why that are like that and stopped thinking like that. Corey Member Post Number: 915 Registered: 12-2009 Posted on Thursday, August 13, 2015 - 09:26 pm:        Michael Helfert has been reminded of how homosexuality fits into the spiritual teaching (unnatural naturalness [only because they cannot procreate]), and how it is not deviant, nor is it degenerate in any way, shape, or form, many times until we were all blue in the face. He seems to want to be able to come to terms with some elements of the spiritual teaching, but seems to struggle, and cannot set aside issues of xenophobia. This would be an internal struggle, that he will have to come to terms with on his own. In a future lifetime, he could be born a male, or female, homosexual, or a Jew, and then his successor personality would have a very different viewpoint on the whole matter. Michael Helfert: have you come to terms with Billy's answer from your Jew letter you wrote him? I thought it was a very good answer, and I was hoping it would help you come to terms with this struggle of yours. You state that FIGU censors what it says about the Jews, yet some of the CR have been very critical about the Jews (to the point that Billy felt it could be viewed as "anti-semetic"), just as some of them have been very critical about the USA, etc, maybe it's not that FIGU censors what they say about the Jews, maybe it is that FIGU's viewpoint about the Jews being the root of all evil on Earth, does not officially line up with yours, and they disagree with you, so you see that as censorship when it is really a difference of viewpoints between FIGU, and you, that you have to come to terms with. Not all the powers-that-be (anti-LOGOS) are Jewish, many are white, black, Chinese etc, all colors of the Earth spectrum, and the damage they have done, and will do in the future, will affect all races on Earth. If WW4 happens, it will also be the fault of the USA and Nato, China, Russia, Middle Eastern countries, etc, not just the Jews. If Isreal came out tomorrow and said, "hey, let's do a multi-national peacekeeping troop against ISIS", the US and EU would probably go for it, since Isreal holds a false (I say this because their God-delusion-belief is false, not to perpetuate Michael's xenophobic viewpoints) place of false religious reverence for the first world, but they don't. Only FIGU recommends that, so who is truly guilty of censorship? FIGU, or the Jews, the Vatican, and the rest of the Christian, and Muslim cult-religions? Let me remind you all, that many religious figureheads know about the FIGU, and the TJ 2011 edition, and none of them are making any public recommendations to help-out/back-up FIGU either. Overpop still remains unchecked, there is no multi-national peace-keeping troop to prevent WW4, and there are no places of fulfillment of guidelines, and overall, the death-penalty is still in world-wide favor. FIGU stands alone with these ever-pressing, and urgent recommendations, so peace, freedom, harmony, love, can return to the Earth. This is not censorship. Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 578 Registered: 09-2011 Posted on Friday, August 14, 2015 - 06:11 am:        The idea I had is simply this: to ask powerful individuals and entities to write a promise that they would not work for the degradation of non-offensive people's and causes that they just don't like, such as in this case, white people. I can see how this request could be implemented in numerous ways, but at its core it remains just that single recognition of a promise to not work to degrade others. Life Learnmore12 Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 05-2014 Posted on Friday, August 14, 2015 - 12:59 pm:        Hello Michaelhelfert, I am surprised to see so much racism and prejudice against one group of people. I was under the impression that this forum, more than any others, sees everybody as one. We, as human beings, are more than a race, color, sex, or gender. We must value one another and love one another as brothers and sisters in creation. Billy and FIGU has always taught us that value and want us to live according to it. They have mentioned the truth about each and every race and culture whether anybody likes it or not. Yes it might sound harsh but that is the truth. It is what it is. GOT clearly mentions that every human being should be treated as one, and that we all should work ourselves in evolving spiritually. Our job on this earth is to evolve spiritually and live according to the laws and recommendations of creation. Which means, love and respect one another, including the fauna and flora. We are all part of the big picture and we all are important no matter what color or race we belong to. The important thing to understand is that we are all important for our Creator and that Creation loves us. Votan Member Post Number: 401 Registered: 12-2011 Posted on Friday, August 14, 2015 - 04:11 pm:        Hi Scott Is this a ruse to discredit Billy. This astronaut might have flown off the deep end. The sixth person to walk on the moon is now claiming aliens visited Earth decades ago to stop the United States and Russia from waging nuclear war. “My own experience talking to people has made it clear the ETs had been attempting to keep us from going to war and help create peace on Earth,” retired NASA astronaut Edgar Mitchell told The Mirror Tuesday. Citing no empirical evidence or historical record, Mitchell said extraterrestrials made regular visits to our planet to save us from ourselves during the height of the Cold War. He said “many Air Force officers” told him about working with aliens at missile bases during the height of the Cold War, including NASA’s White Sands Test Facility in New Mexico. “White Sands was a testing ground for atomic weapons — and that’s what the extraterrestrials were interested in,” he told the British tabloid, just in time for the 70th anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima. “They wanted to know about our military capabilities.” The humans working at those facilities said “UFOs were frequently seen overhead and often disabled their missiles,” Mitchell said. During the Cold War, aliens were "attempting to keep us from going to war and help create peace on Earth," according to the sixth person to walk on the moon. - LindaMarieB / iStock joe Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1429 Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Sunday, August 16, 2015 - 04:48 am:        Votan this is just my own opinion but there is some truth to what Mitchell is saying If you remember Asket's Aquaintanceship there are some clues there I think. Matt lee Votan Member Post Number: 402 Registered: 12-2011 Posted on Sunday, August 16, 2015 - 05:25 pm:        Matt lee What Asket`s Acquaintanceship are you talking about. joe Sentinel New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 08-2015 Posted on Monday, August 17, 2015 - 12:49 am:        My notes on this link from 9 minutes 35 seconds to 19 minutes 35 seconds - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GkkIvp71P1c# I am continuing to learn the mathematics but from what I have seen and learnt so far about this experiment and the entanglement theory is that each particle is really not formed by just one particle due to the opposite spin required to make certain elements therefore when the particle goes through the holes as a wave it is merely a duplication of itself as per entanglement theory and therefore hence the end result pattern on the wall without the light/equipment to observe the particles. So when we add light/equipment to observe the particles in their wave like state the particles react and therefore act as we would expect particles to act as one solid combined particle which will follow the direction on which it is fired. However I disagree with the theory that the particles after being observed move back in time and start again as solid particles (Billy’s notes also confirm this to be impossible), I believe the particles in the wave state have a memory of their last event like going through the holes as waves and once viewed the particles will change to solid particles and follow the form as solid particles from the last event. Like water, if you add heat to the water at a certain temperature the water will turn from a liquid to a gas 'steam' and if you were to capture that steam in a bag and cool it down it will turn back to a liquid not because it is going back in time to get back to its original state but because of the reaction of heat v’s cold on H2O. I believe this is the same kind of explanation for the particles once you add the light/equipment to view the particles it has a reaction from its wave state to form it's solid state etc etc. So there is none of this mind-blowing time travel (with regards to changing its structure by changing the past) or any of that other garbage they come up with it is merely particle memory + particle reaction that gives those results. I believe this makes logical sense. So I believe Einstein is correct in this regards with his statement of " the mathematics for quantum theory is solid just incomplete as I believe the moon is still there even when I'm not looking at it". Would love to know anyone else’s thoughts on this experiment? Blake_p Member Post Number: 333 Registered: 07-2012 Posted on Monday, August 17, 2015 - 09:33 am:        Joe, If you remember, Askets people came here not only for Billy and the mission,but more specifically to stop a cataclysmic event with the so called telonin bomb,or specifically was a neutrino bomb. Which if people understand that neutrinos permeate everything in the universe,that would be one of the worst things to create and would cause a chain reaction of unspeakable proportions. Whether or not they were flying around and disrupting missiles or nuclear bombs from going off or whatever,I mean it's probable,maybe even likely,but I don't think they ever mention this in any Figu text. We now know that the 3 groups have been here for 5000 years in some capacity,so I'm sure they have some skin in the game when it comes to our planet,so it could have been them. Plus it seems as if this was one of the most active times ever regarding ET visitation because of all the things going on,so could have been any of them as well. Actually that's pretty sad to me...that ET's have to come from another entire universe to stop us from doing unspeakable things to each other and our environment. Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 158 Registered: 01-2011 Posted on Monday, August 17, 2015 - 01:14 pm:        Aliens On The Moon The Truth Exposed 2014 New SyFy Documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=109&v=GIXdJfU3f9E We all know that this is not about the P's, however, it may be a separate form of species either affiliated or not with the P's. Billy has talked or referred to these others before. I am a believer that there are things the P's are not saying thru plausible denial or by simply not saying for what ever reason they seem fit. But one thing is for sure, it makes good headlines as such and makes you want to ask more questions about who else is really out there and as to what their intentions really are! bronzedesk (Mat) And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time. ~ T. S. Eliot Corey Member Post Number: 918 Registered: 12-2009 Posted on Monday, August 17, 2015 - 10:59 pm:        Blake_P wrote: "We now know that the 3 groups have been here for 5000 years in some capacity" Did I miss something, what is your source for this? Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 159 Registered: 01-2011 Posted on Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 06:32 am:        Dear Corey, Did you see the video? Nothing bad either directly or indirectly was intended to Billy or his teachings but I feel (just my own personal gut feeling) that the (P's) have not been always straight forward about certain other things that occur in this solar system. Right now these types of things are not of a paramount nature in the teachings being given. So of course they are not expounded upon but you can tell definitely in the long run that what Semjase gave billy at the beginning and what Quetzel is giving now are totally different in format and presentation. Sorry but this is just me talking and letting off some steam! I like you don't want to be left for wanting of these things that make us scratch our heads and make us wonder why. bronzedesk (Mat) And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time. ~ T. S. Eliot Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1433 Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 07:19 am:        Yeah wondering about that myself Wasn't it more like 350+ odd years. I got this answer from FIGU Australia members if my memory serves me correct. Matt lee Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1434 Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 07:20 am:        Oh BTW wasn't it 4 groups instead of 3 Matt lee Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1435 Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 07:50 am:        Bronzedeak the plausible denial thing that you've mentioned would be nonsense to Billy if we take Billy's answer at face value. If we take his answer at face value there is no such a thing as plausible deniability semi or otherwise applicable to how the Plejaren have conducted their affairs here on earth as they steadfastly admit that they've always told the truth whether half or full, it was truth all the same. I think many people here have changed their position over night as a result of Billy's answer from that day forward all the while having gone on record over many many years using PDF as the basis of their position in explaining why the stupid stuff was added for an out as a safety mechanism Dr Deadorff theorised. People can change their minds to reflect the current situations as they evolve. The Plejaren and Billy run rings around our intelligence and like an experimental mouse we haven't learnt to build our own maze yet but must run around within the tight space of theirs. I think Edward De Bono must be itching to share one of his thinking methods I'd imagine. Matt lee Blake_p Member Post Number: 337 Registered: 07-2012 Posted on Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 09:06 am:        Corey, I didn't know that either but I read it,either in one of the latest contact reports,or bulletins,I can't remember but I'll look for the source right now. Yes I was surprised myself and made me think of a whole lot of questions regarding these groups....and it could be four,I just remembered three for some reason. Sentinel Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 08-2015 Posted on Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 05:32 pm:        http://www.iflscience.com/chemistry/introducing-graphenes-younger-cousin-stanene My notes on below on the above link's teaching of ignorance. 2 dimensional compound built by 3 dimensional elemens which are built by 3 dimensional atoms which are built by 3 dimensional electrons, protons and neutrons which are built from 3 dimensional quarks and leptons which are given rotational spin (mass) from the ultimate perfect imbalance of the 3 dimensional higgs boson which all create and use the 3 dimensional wave forces (which some can change to 3 dimensional particles forces) which is derived by 1 or 2 dimensional vibrating magnetic resonance field (higgs feild) to pull it all together to give matter it's required symmetry and 3 dimensional equilibrium. So you say it is a 2 dimensional compound? How in Zeus's butthole can you have a two dimensional compound? Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 160 Registered: 01-2011 Posted on Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 01:22 pm:        Inside these so called groups (3 or 4) must be some type of factions that work independently of each other. Just as the CIA and FBI do with one another. One may be privy while the other is deliberately left out of the loop so to speak! I agree with New Initiation things of this matter as well as other question marks need to be addressed and clarified by our parent group in Switzerland. It will not be an easy task by any means but yes it must be done where everything said should marry up with no loop holes for conjecture! Corey I chose this not because of it, being unnecessary and trivial but as, a means to an end. We in the United States have been left for whatever reason wanting to be closer to home base. Yet I know that we fell apart at one time awhile back where Billy lost faith in us because of this petty bickering going on. Please let us all change together for the betterment of mankind and Billy's teachings. I for one want change so that we in fact will be fully representing the true colors of Nokodemjons teachings to the public for that, is what we are here for. I hope that I have made sense? Bronzedesk (Mat) And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time. ~ T. S. Eliot Blake_p Member Post Number: 338 Registered: 07-2012 Posted on Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 09:48 am:        Well I looked everywhere I thought it was...but I definitely read it recently and also it caused me to think of many questions I had about these groups. If I'm not mistaken it was an excerpt out of a very recent contact note...now I need clarification so I emailed Christian...I will post his response.

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