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    Corey Member Post Number: 779 Registered: 12-2009 |
Okay thanks Matt Lee. Here's something from you from the Q & A archives, note Billy's answer from 2013 about time travellers from our future was spot on... October 27, 2013: Hi Billy To this day I just can't come to terms with so many people out there stating that they've had contact with ETs, even after eliminating reasons of fraud, schizophrenia, black ops special access programs involving cloned humans looking like the greys, liars, CIA funded disinformation, highly technological remnants or descendants of earlier ET civilisation living in isolation from the rest of surface dwelling humans, profiteers, charlatanry, fame seekers and delusionals. Billy I may be wrong but where it involves Dr Greer's CE-5 contact with aliens initiative where thousands of video footage of UFOs spanning many decades, credible military eyewitness accounts and scores of declassified government documents verifying people's claims of contact with ET beings from outer space, its improbable that all these people's account could not be all wrong at the same time. You have recently stated in your Bulletin 78 that there were 4 instead of 3 ET groups very active here on earth. I don't know to what extent they are involved in the affairs of earth humans and to what extent they are intervening in our affairs but you did state on previous occasions that contact with small group of earthlings is possible by the ETs. Now I do consider that your information is always superseded after recent turn of events and that nothing stays static. So could you please, for the sake of so many of my confused fellow human beings out there as well as for myself by stating to us the unequivocal truth so that any confusion can be eliminated once and for all about what the reality of truth is in regards to ET contact with human beings on earth. My question is have any of the 4 groups of extraterrestrial beings stationed on earth excluding the Plejaren and the Federation members ever had contact with any earth human beings including Dr Geer and his group members and I include the interaction of a conscious kind with their flying disks or beamships with earth humans as part of the definition of contact and not necessarily contact of a face to face kind? Thank you Matt Lee Billy said that the Plejaren have told them that they detected no contacts between the 4 groups and terrestrial human beings. They did not say that there are none such between the 4 groups and terrestrial human beings. And they also informed him that certain terrestrial human beings are also involved into the matter, but not to what extent. It is possible that terrestrial time travellers from our own future may be involved into it. (Note by CF: Since Billy is in no position to research space around the Earth himself he cannot present you the much-desired „unequivocal truth“ on a plate in order to soothe your confusion. You will have to live with the uncertainty that eventually some new information could emanate sometime in the future about contacts etc. etc. One of life’s truths is that it is not static and that human beings will continually detect new truths etc. etc., which is based on learning. That’s why the Plejaren [just as we human beings on Earth] have to continually expand our knowledge because there of new discoveries etc.) Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Tetrahedron Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 06-2014 |
"You will have to live with the uncertainty that eventually some new information could emanate sometime in the future about contacts etc. etc. " Eh.........no. This is most unacceptable, and worthy of war in of itself. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 780 Registered: 12-2009 |
Tetrahedron, That was probably the most uninformed, unintellectual, and irrational post I have ever read on this board. Are you suggesting we should war with extraterrestrials, or even other terrestrials? I have an idea... maybe you should study more and post less! Even other new people that come on this board that are convinced that Billy is a liar, are quick to figure out that war goes against everything FIGU stands for, and they would never suggest war for any reason. You would know if you were studying that the primal wellspring of Creation would never demand war, revenge, retaliation, and the spilling of blood. But someone suffering from cult-religious God-delusion-belief surely would. War is never justified unless it is for self-defense purposes, and then it should be the logical gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit, There is a pamphlet you should obtain that clearly states what FIGU is, and isn't about. snippet: 20) We are against all religious, military and political insurrections and reject all forms of aggressive actions. 21) We are against revolutions and wars of any sort unless they are strictly for defense that leads to progress and peace. 25) We oppose and crusade against xenophobia and racial hatred. 31) We scorn the exertion of power over others because each and every human being has an intrinsic right to be free that must not be curtailed by the power of others. We also spurn the following principles:Power through money, power through religion, power through politics or power through military forces. 32) We oppose all types of illogical applicaiton of force, hence we also oppose the use of force in the name of some god, saint, a religious sect, regimentation through other forces or a religion. 33) We oppose the blessing and sanctifying of weapons, wars and revolutions, as well as to all aggressive or deadly actions in the name of religions, religious sects, gods, saint or those who lust for power, to mention only a few items. Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 529 Registered: 09-2011 |
Matt lee, thanks for the speculation. Yes, that's what I was getting at. As people strive to strengthen our identities, and we will, we will (have to) look to the past to pave our course further on. The more mixed up we become, the more import this need gnaws at us. We need our roots, impassionately, wholly, to grow as spiritual beings. We have to accept from whence we've come to evolve. Tetrahedron, I hope you speak in jest. War is always harmful. It should only be used to eradicate the threat of imminent greater harm, not to right a lesser wrong. And even then, patience is usually a better strategy than war. Generally, with patience, the truth will out, the problems will make themselves obvious, and people will run to solutions. Life | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 791 Registered: 12-2009 |
I wonder if this Goblet passage applies to the future terrestrial time-travellers... Goblet 4:148 (*A): "One day, your distant descendants will not be able to forgive you for your showing contempt to and slandering (calumniate) the teaching of the prophets and the prophets themselves and being out for their blood; and therefore your distant descendants (grandchildren, etc.) will not be able to forgive you because you are leading them into delusion and far from the truth with your false teachings, your false prophets and your priests and other servants of gods and servants of tin gods, because your false teachings reach (extend/carry themselves forwards) into the farthest future and create delusion (influence) there for your belief of your godliness (religion) because you do not follow the teaching of the laws and recommendations of the wellspring of all life (Creation), but waste away far from it and set unsubstantial (imaginary) gods and tin gods at the side of the wellspring of all life (Creation)." "Dereinst werden eure fernen Nachkommen euch nicht vergeben können, dass ihr die Lehre der Propheten und diese selbst missachtet und verlästert (verleumdet) und ihnen nach dem Leben trachtet; und also werden euch eure fernen Nachfahren (Kindeskinder usw.) nicht vergeben können, weil ihr sie durch eure falschen Lehren, eure falschen Propheten und eure Priester und sonstigen Götterdiener und Götzendiener in die Irre und fern der Wahrheit führt, weil eure falschen Lehren in fernste Zukunft greifen (gelangen/sich weitertragen) und dort Verleitung (Beeinflussung) schaffen für eure Gläubigkeit eurer Frömmigkeit (Religion), weil ihr nicht die Lehre der Gesetze und Gebote der Quelle allen Lebens (Schöpfung) befolgt, sondern fern davon dahinbebt (dahinsiecht) und der Quelle allen Lebens (Schöpfung) wesenlose (imaginäre) Götter und Götzen zur Seite stellt. This passage gives me a lot to ponder about our distant descendants! (*A) "The Goblet of the Truth" Chapter 4 verse 148 German page 146/English page 147. Copywritten FIGU/BEAM Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Sonicecho Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 02-2015 |
Hello Could someone tell me if Billy still says extraterrestrials will land soon. I read the p's told him soon then i read somewhere else where its going to be a while before that happens. Can anyone give me the latest update on that? Same kind of issue with time travel as well. I read we will shortly start seeing our own future worlds time crafts visiting us. But i was wondering if the technological break through to accomplish this was going to come about shortly as well? It seems when he and the Plerjaren make predictions its within 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 year time spans. Which isnt far away even if its 50 years off. One last thing can anyone tell me if Billy ever elaborated on if earth humans could somehow peel back the millions of years of plant evolution to see and prove that insects evolved directly from plants? If DNA is a living record then shouldnt we be able to look at the DNA and reverse its evolution somehow or at least be able to see bug parts DNA in the plants DNA? Thanks to anyone who can help. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 801 Registered: 12-2009 |
Sonicecho, The technology breakthroughs to travel through time is still centuries from now, we have to work on our consciousnesses for a very long time before we will be mature enough to start unraveling Creation's secrets. Future terrestrial time traveller's crafts have been visible in terrestrial skies for some time now. There was a pre-arranged direct ET landing that was supposed to happen with a group of ET's selected by the Plejaren, who were going to land in pear shaped beamships in the US to start in the year 2000, but this was cancelled due to the evil intrigues of the US government around the world, and them not being mature enough to handle the responsibility of ET contact. Quetzal said it would be almost 200 years before the US government will change it's tune to be more in line with the laws and recommendations of Creation in another contact. And lastly in contact 424, Ptaah reiterated that there cannot be any landings of ET's until after the Plejaren have departed this planet for good (after Billy's death) so it's going to be awhile, Billy did tell me that our first contacts with ET's could be negative because of the Earth human side, so we are obviously not mature enough right now to make the best of the situation. If ET's are going to wait until we make more developments in spaceflight technology, or the population changes to be more in tune with the laws and recommendations of Creation, we could be talking centuries from now for all I know, or then again it could be next month. Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Tetrahedron Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 06-2014 |
Alright!!!! I managed to send a thought back in time. Quite a feat in my opinion, too bad it was only an impression of my future self on me. I must say back when I was receiving it, I thought it was "god". Anyone ever get or do these? | ||
Operationnightfall Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2013 |
Hello, everyone. I think I heard of a possible time travel incident. Its the UFO Rendlesham Forest Incident, 1980. Here have a look at links below. It seems nether did Billy or the Plejarens talk about or notice this incident. The time travelers claim to be from the year 8100. https://youtu.be/zQ6oS6ZPoaE https://youtu.be/rwWUP991DQ4 http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/fringe2014e.html | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1431 Registered: 07-2005 |
I also had a timetravel experience too I thought about yesterday | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 917 Registered: 12-2009 |
Matt Lee, Howdy stranger! Good to see you posting again sir! Salome Corey Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1432 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hey Corey good to feel your presence again sunshine I hope you've been bloody spiritually fantastic! Matt lee | ||
Watchdog Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 12-2014 |
someone help me make sense of this. Time travel. Traveling to the future If cause and affect, in part, directs how our future turns out, which could be many many different possible outcomes because of the many many different decisions a person could make and also not to mention the people that are in our lives, at work, even people we don't know who also make decisions that could affect decisions we've made. How can anyone travel from a given point in time, to a future time, that hasn't happened yet, of which could be nearly endless scenarios because of the endless decisions we "would have made" between the time span from when we pushed the time machine button and to when we arrived in the future...... IE: decisions. The way I met my wife. I saw her at a local hang out. she and her friend got in their car so me and my friend followed them for some cat and mouse car chase fun. They played along but then at one point we came to an intersection to where we had to turn right or left. They had their turn signal on for a right turn. My friend lived the other direction and we decided to end the chase and turn left to head back home. At the very last second i changed my direction and turned right, which led me to meeting, who later on became my wife. That split second when I turned right instead of left changed my whole life and someone elses life. Someone traveling from the past into the future at that very moment would have had two possible scenarios to arrive at. One where I turned left and never met my wife and one where I turned right and did meet my wife. The butterfly affect sorta kinda. What would my life have been like if I hadn't met my wife and so on. How can someone travel to a future that has endless possibilities ?  David AKA Watchdog. USA | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 677 Registered: 08-2010 |
The future (as a dimension) is based on the law of causality. We are in a constant existence between the past dimension and the future dimension. Anyone traveling from a past to that moment you turned right would have seen you turn right. That dimension is based on the decisions that "were" (to be) made. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 456 Registered: 12-2011 |
Watchdog What you are talking about is called intuition or gut feeling.Also law of attraction. Also a possibility is that our spirit is guiding us. joe | ||
Watchdog Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 12-2014 |
Thank you Eddieamartin and Votan. Id like to define my question a little deeper. The cause and affect or "causality" law I fully understand. "What we do today affects the outcome of what follows" Its a process that happens naturally no matter what we do. even if we do nothing. So if cause and affect can be changed by the decisions we make, as with the story about meeting my wife. It wasn't about meeting her per say. it was about the decision I made to turn left or right. Each direction would have given me a different outcome or affect. I did word part of my previous post wrong which was the part about a person traveling to that point in time, which I really meant to say, if a person travels to that time "after" I made that dramatic decision. One to where I met my wife or one where I didn't. So Whats to say to which one of those scenarios the time traveler land in ? It could have been either one. Based on the contact notes the P's can select a specific time to travel to. So here's where I get stumped. At the point when a time traveler decided to travel to a specific time, how can that be accurate if the future can be changed in a single second. Going back into time makes sense to me because the past has already happened. The future hasn't. How can this happen ? The future hasn't happened yet and the future has many outcomes because of the endless decisions we make.  David AKA Watchdog. USA | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 679 Registered: 08-2010 |
MODERATORS please replace this post with the first one as I have to correct a typo. Watchdog, What is limiting you is the thought that the future (your future) has infinite possibilities. In a sense that is the case for now. When you travel into that dimension and a point in time, you are then in that time period's "present". So you have already made the decisions you made. This is why the Plejaren do not like to travel and see because it can affect the evolutive process of (from) the decisions they made. These "decisions" are part of the evolutive opportunity to work things out, struggle through our problems or challenges and process the decisions and learn the effective evolutive cognizance from the experience. The tougher the challenge, the more evolutive its impact ...this happens by way of the thinking through process in our minds where we make choices and decisions with their consequences and the impacts (impressions) these ideas and decisions have on our psyches and in our minds. In other words, the creativeness of the creative process. But think of it in this way; If you travel to the future then you are at that point no longer in the future but see it in a "present" tense and you will have already made the decisions that you will make. The precaution to be made regarding visiting one's own future is becoming cognizant of one's decisions without the experience of having experienced the making of the choices that were made. This robs us of the experience and the evolutive process and we stand there quite ignorant and wondering why we chose to do or not do something. For example; You travel to your future and see yourself in the car and making a right turn. If this travel happened before you had seen your future wife at that hang out, you would be ignorant of why you made that right turn. You will be ignorant of the hang out where you saw her and the effect seeing her had on your mind and your psyche and your emotions. In a sense, as far as the "future" dimension is concerned, at that point you already made the decisions you will make. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Jokubas_stalmokas Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 01-2011 |
Hi Watchdog, Since reflecting on prophecies and predictions this question has been intriguing me as well. The moment where Plejaren predicted Billy's wife to be and his loss of an arm got me thinking how this all could pass with certainty if the future is changing constantly and any outcome is possible. I even went through the q&a session to find that out but all I received was vague answers. So it all left me with few suppositions: 1. they couldn't give me the full answer because it might have influenced premature insights for our scientists of how time travel works. 2. If they gave me full answer, there would be little space left to seek for it on my own and acquire deeper understanding. 3. As mathematics is being universal and considering that Billy calculated some predictions this mathematical method also applies to personal future viewings. Again its my wild assumption, but taking into account that their computer systems and accumulated knowledge are advanced significantly they can make accurate calculations of some events. For example before jumping into the future with time travel device they enter different variables into computer like person character developed to present state, his/her spirit lessons that were set to learn before coming into life and etc. I mean that some kind of calculations are made to determine most probable event before time travelling. In conclusion I would like to state that most probably we will not find it out in this incarnation... | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1525 Registered: 07-2005 |
Its just my own opinion but why do you think the Plejaren say they don't cheat by looking into their own future Yep you got it. Significant portion of the future is already determined and we are just unkowingly living what Creation has already written a script for us to live. And don't give me this BS about freewill as an excuse for 'no the future isn't determined'. We got the free will to live our lives that is already determined. Case in point if Semjase time travelled to the future before her accident does anybody think that she woyld've saw herself detect Eddie and beam herself back to her ship out of harms way or her lying on her beamship unconscioys only for Quetzel to find her later??????????????!!!!!!!!!! There is a conspiracy at work here people and that $64,000 question was why were we being conspired against to think that the future wasn't determined so that we get off our bums??? for evolution sake???!????!!! Time travel therefore is just a technical method to tap into our past future as our future is already past just as a published book is the only difference is we haven't read the book yet. | ||
Watchdog Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 12-2014 |
Thanks everyone for your input. Its a mighty confusing concept to grasp. The future can not be predestine. We would be puppets then. Here's another mind twister. I used to think that going back into time was possible because it has already happened but then now Im equally confused because when someone travels to the past, for the people who are in the past, the time travelers came from a time that has hasn't happened yet. Oh man. My head is exploding. Its just to advanced for me to understand. So I guess we will never know in this life time. David AKA Watchdog. USA | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 680 Registered: 08-2010 |
Newinitiation, I'm afraid that is not correct. The law of the causality is always at work and our volition is never violated but upheld. For us to understand this we must think in terms of "dimension" and not "here & now and tomorrow". It is the reason that Sfath and Billy did not tell the Plejaren he was of the Nokodemjon spiritform lineage and why they didn't travel into the future to ask themselves but preferred to fathom it out and figure it out on their own. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 04-2015 |
Hi Eddie, I read the English contact reports and couldn't find out how Sfath knew Billy's spirit form was Nokodemion. Any idea or have I missed something? | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 681 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Hugo, here it is. See #153 and #156 especially. 148. The contact between Asket and you will last for 11 years, just as they will between you and me. 149. Thereafter, you will be left alone for 11 years and must learn very much through your own initiative, after which then, in the year 1975, a contact connection with you will again be taken up, and indeed by my granddaughter, Semjase, as well as by my son, Ptaah. 150. They both, in addition to others, will then continuously be your future contact companions. 151. Semjase is a prospective Ischrisch and Ptaah an Ischwisch. 152. Also a man and prospective Ischwisch with the name Quetzal will be of importance for you as will also many others. 153. Their information regarding your person and the origin of your spiritform will, for reasons of their own learning needs, however, not be complete; consequently, they must first arduously work out this information, whereby it cannot to be ruled out that they will often make mistakes which they will have to make efforts to correct. 154. And, in this respect, you will have to be the intervening and helpful power, in order to also teach them. 155. This instruction will, however, still expand, once, through it, the knowledge has been gained about what importance is attached to your person, and that this importance also leads back to all your former personalities of former lives. 156. However, you are not permitted to speak about that and must keep your secret - which I will still explain to you at a later point in time - until the time has come in which my successors have uncovered the secret. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Sfath%27s_Explanation Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) |
