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    Str0323 Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 02-2012 |
Hello everyone. Sometimes it's hard for me to express my thoughts as written words. So below are some recommendations from the spiritual teaching which convey my thoughts and feelings after reading some of the previous posts. Excerpt from, Desiderata (Desirable and Vital Items). But distance yourself from aggressive, boisterous and obstinate individuals so as not to become embroiled in their pointless disputes, for such people insult one's consciousness, humaneness and refinement; and yet, at the same time, forget not that they too are beings of Creation, whom you, as a fellow human being, must show appropriate respect, even though you may find their thoughts, feelings, deeds and actions unacceptable. Should you draw comparisons between yourself and others, you will inevitably realize that others are either stronger or weaker than you in certain matters; this, however, is no justification for you to feel superior or inferior to them. Therefore, neither vain nor arrogant become, neither bitter nor ashamed, for there will always be someone who is more eminent or less advanced than you in learning, morality, character and the like. The German original: Meide aber angriffige, laute und rechthaberische Personen, um nicht mit ihnen in sinnlose Dispute zu verfallen, denn solche Menschen beleidigen das Bewusstsein, die Menschlichkeit und die Bildung; vergiss dabei aber nicht, dass auch sie Wesen der Schöpfung sind, denen du als Mensch gebührende Achtung entgegenbringen musst, auch wenn ihre Gedanken, Gefühle, Taten und Handlungen nicht akzeptabel sind. Ziehst du Vergleiche zwischen dir und andern, dann ist es nicht zu vermeiden zu erkennen, dass die einen in gewissen Dingen grösser oder kleiner sind als du selbst, was dir aber keinen Grund dazu gibt, dass du dich über oder unter die andern gesetzt fühlst. Werde also weder eitel oder überheblich noch bitter oder beschämt, denn es wird immer Menschen geben, die sowohl bildungs- mässig als auch moralisch und charakterlich usw. grösser oder kleiner sind als du selbst. Salome, Scott Reed. | ||
Michael_k Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 02-2016 |
Thanks Scott Reed for reminding and also Kiwilove for your expressions. What an outcome disastrous catastrophe could have be if this missile has detonated? Would humanity ever have the chance to see the light of the truth, namely The Teaching Of The Truth, Teaching Of The Spirit, Teaching Of The Life? All these efforts and the hardships Billy have gone through. All the efforts and preparations the Prejarens in communication with the High Council, despite their directives, have gone through? What would be the minimum an effort to prevent such a catastrophe of an event, but to allowed all side events to happen? Are all these efforts of the last Prophet, which the main goal is The Teaching Of The Truth, Teaching Of The Spirit, Teaching Of The Life to approach humanity on Earth, worth less a penny, so Billy, Ptaah and the High Council would allowed it to be destroyed before humanity can grasp it to it fully extend? Well, these are just some thoughts of a crackpot person. I settle this case. Michael | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 439 Registered: 11-2008 |
I cannot understand why the moderators are allowing stupid posts that have nothing to do with "Misc. Discussions on FIGU". An example of this would be Kiwilove's stupid post about the September 11th 2001 terrorists attacks in New York City. One more time for the dummies in here who still stubbornly continue to think that 9/11 was an "inside job". It was NOT an inside job! Ptaah already made it clear in a contact report that it was not an inside job! Please, enough of the stupid conspiracy nonsense! | ||
Arnoud New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 06-2016 |
To Corey , June 30, 2016 Much obliged Corey! I already figured out a lot by reading parts of the material you mentioned, I am trying to read as much as I can in my spare time, the Kelch/Goblet, Contact Reports, Spiritual Teachings, and I participate in the Peace meditation. I am a rather slow but thorough and eager reader. Thanks for your invitation to ask questions, and I will do that. Actually, I have one right now. How do you and the others here, cope with the 'mockery' of collegeas, friends etc.? That is, when I am enthousiastic about something, I can't keep my mouth shut, and want to spread the message so to speak, so also in my lunch breaks. My work is in the field of social medicine, and my collegeas are all experienced medical doctors, and we (espec. in this particular field) are used not to take things (in general) for granted, let alone 'the extraordinary'. So, when I talk about these (BEAM's) matters, they say I am too gullible, and my most senior collegeas even gave me a 'speaking ban' on these matters. That's why I am wondering, how do you all cope with circumstances like this? Thanks again, Salome, Arnoud | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2625 Registered: 12-1999 |
Joe, The definition of Terrorism is:"the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims." In Contact 215 Line 221 Quetzal stated "The destruction of the WTC, i.e., the World Trade Center, by terrorists will only be the beginning." Now you must determine who the real terrorist are? Please don't insinuate people are stupid, everyone is attempting to find the truth, and Billy has stated anyone can error | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 718 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Arnoud, What you have experienced in what you refer to as the; "mockery of colleagues" is the results of incorrect thinking and applying on your part. It is always our method and approach which is at fault. Rather than "telling" them ...the Goblet of the Truth suggests using "leading thoughts" (questions/queries) that cause thinking and encourages discussion. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 440 Registered: 11-2008 |
Scott, I would have to disagree with you! The way you moderate this forum is not good! It was already mentioned in the contact reports that 9/11 was NOT an inside job. The US government had NOTHING to do with it! So why is it that from time to time this conspiracy nonsense has to be brought up? All you had to do as a moderator is either disallow his post since this has already been discussed MANY times or simply EXPLAIN to him yourself within his post that Ptaah himself had made it CLEAR that 9/11 was NOT an inside job and give him (Harvey) the link to the contact report even though he might be aware of it! And YES, he did go OFF-TOPIC because he brought his STUPID conspiracy nonsense! When it comes to the "9/11 Truth movement" one has to be careful because they spread FALSE information either deliberately or through pure ignorance. There are quite a few stupid 9/11 conspiracy nutcases. Dr Judy wood is certainly one of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9d5-D3c5_E https://kendoc911.wordpress.com/debunking-dr-judy-wood/ Again let me be clear, whether she is a "Disinformation Agent" or not I don't know and I don't care! But one thing is for sure, she spreads silly, stupid conspiracy nonsense about 9/11 either on purposely to mislead others or through pure ignorance. Simple as that! | ||
Arnoud New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 06-2016 |
Hi Eddie, I think I understand what you mean, thanks for pointing this out. However, I am not sure if I explained myself well enough in this regard. What I meant by 'telling them' is that I told them about who Billy Meier is, and about the existence of the framework of the teachings, and the Plejaren, and that I am studying the material. They then immediately concluded that I am way too gullible about this, they feel it's not consistent with a professional, scientific overall attitude. Salome, arnoud P.s. I am sorry for my misspellings, I am Dutch | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 217 Registered: 04-2015 |
Scott Baxter, thanks I agree with all that you said there. We are to think for ourselves and not just accept everything the P's say without further looking into things. Joe, I must be one of those "stupid" people you refer to too because I think elements of 911 were an inside job. re - WTC 7/Pentagon. I take offense to that. Just because something is against your belief you try to take away our right to free thinking and discussions on something. Give us a break and stop dictating how this forum should function. If you don't like/agree with a discussion on something, no one is forcing you to read it. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 376 Registered: 07-2006 |
Arnoud, Suggested reading: https://creationaltruth.org/FIGU/FIGUSociety/AboutFIGU/TalkativenessandProselytizing.aspx This article is titled: Talkativeness and Proselytizing It may help you understand when and when not to share the valueful information you are learning and how... Hope it helps. PatM | ||
Kiwilove Member Post Number: 179 Registered: 02-2005 |
When trying to get to the truth of any matter - there will always be disagreements about what is exactly true here? The Plejaren/Meier explanation that explosives were on board the planes that hit the twin towers - does not sound like the truth to me. And the only reason why I think this was given - was perhaps to take the "heat" off Billy - if the Plejarens were to say the plain truth about 9-11? Just like the Apollo 11 details were too hot to mention for some time - 9-11 is even more sensitive - is what I surmise. It is so obvious that planes were not involved at all - also that regular/normal/military explosives were not used also (as being the sole cause - although it does appear normal explosives were also in use - which eye witnesses testify to) - which Judy Wood outlines the reasons why. When all the dust cleared on that day - I was expecting to see a tall pile of rubble like in pulled buildings brought down by explosives - but instead this tall pile was missing altogether and only a very small pile remained. Only Judy Wood has explained why this is so - that normal physics was not present - but something altogether new was at play. There is such a thing as freedom of speech - which I thought this forum and moderator allowed. That everyone is free to express their opinion, etc. If I felt that FIGU become blind followers of what Billy and the Plejarens say - without questioning it - I'll probably not find anything of interest in these forums. I probably agree with around 95% of the Meier/Plejaren material - and much of the spiritual discussions are beyond my understanding - though I can agree with some of it. I thought the two researchers I pointed out, concerning 9-11 recently - have done an excellent job in their research, documentation, etc. 9-11 seems to have the hallmark of CIA involvement all through it - and the US government/military had to go along with it - which illustrates that the US cannot be trusted at all, with being truthful about anything important. It is very sad that all of it was done with US tax money, etc etc. | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 796 Registered: 07-2000 |
I agree with Scott  Other than the terrorists that flew the planes, there were something that the Plejaren could not have mentioned. Just think how and why that Tower 7 could have collapsed ... Salome Savio http://billybooks.org | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 719 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Arnoud, Patm gave a good source to read and learn from. Very helpful. Yes, I understood you correctly. In the beginning, I made the same mistake because of enthusiasm and wanting to liberate everyone. But as I began to learn and understand what I was studying in the Goblet of the Truth, I realized my way was the wrong way. The law of cause & effect will let you know if you are swimming with the tide or against the waves. A friend of mine, a farmer, he always squats down and grabs the soil, smells it and feels it between his fingers. He then determines what the soil needs to be fertile before planting any seeds. You likely heard the saying; "We cannot feed a new born baby steak and potatoes". It is no different with our friends and family. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 1228 Registered: 12-2009 |
Arnoud, One could always stick to topics of overpopulation, and global warming, that are easily verifiable in non-Billy Meier sources that one could refer friends, family, and acquaintances to, to assist them to generate some 'leading thoughts'. If you approach this correctly, like Eddie stated, you will not be missionizing the spiritual teaching like Patm stated. An example of this can be found here: https://26wub7wo1rgzr1le3cirtuq3-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Population-and-Emissions-FINAL-Best-Resolution.pdf Salome/Corey Müske mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche. consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124 ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1174 Registered: 07-2009 |
Please note the following: 230th Contact October 11, 1989: [*Quetzal explains how Bush senior and friends plotted to get Bush junior elected in order to get their grubby oil greedy hands into Iraq. There is some comment about the greatest ever vote fraud, which allowed this.] Billy: Monstrous, really monstrous. It would also be just as monstrous if/when the world trade centre would be destroyed by terrorists with captured commercial airplanes, through which thousands of people would die, that Bush junior – and various of his criminal trusted ones knew that then, however undertook nothing against it. A criminal act that gains Bush the upper hand and he can let loose against Islam, naturally always under the cloak/veil that they want to free the USA and the world from terrorism. It would not be discussed that it would be the Bushes who would bring the greatest terror over the world, at least for the next 15 years. Quetzal: 666. That is correct. 231st Contact, November 9, 1989: Quetzal: 38. Bush junior and Blair would plot with one another against Iraq, whereby Bush, will avenge his father's defeat in the Gulf War through a new war against Saddam Hussein, as already would be resolved by both Bushes and their closest hangers-on, to which also the highest positions of the CIA belong, if the plotted war in 1991 would not bring the desired results. ........................ There are things that the Plejaren and Meier conceal but they don't lie. OBVIOUSLY airplanes were used, they weren't "holograms", etc. | ||
Kiwilove Member Post Number: 180 Registered: 02-2005 |
To Michael Horn Concerning 9-11 - the devil is in the details literally. Planes such as 757s were not used at all. There was a detailed analysis of all the videos I watched about 3-5? years or so ago - there is no authentic video of a plane entering a building. The clip that was shown to the world is obviously a fake - cheesy SFX that does not stand up to analysis today. A plane such as a 757 simply does not disappear into a building that way. Only via computers is that possible at all - meaning it's physically impossible. What was cut into the building was a hole to make it look like a plane has done it but plain common sense tells you that a plane would not do that at all. The building was a 'hard target' - the wings would have sheared off and engine broken away. If planes had been used at all - the damage would have been more extensive - the buildings would have collapsed very differently - and not gone straight down onto it's own footprint. There's a video that shows a ball like object that appears to have caused the explosion - with not a plane in sight - which may hint that it was a new secret weapon? The way the twin towers fell - is probably not of a 'firestorm' weapon but could be that of a new weapon as such? When the Plejarens mention terrorists was involved - it's probably not the terrorists blamed - but perhaps black op terrorists? CIA? Harvey | ||
Bianca Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 03-2009 |
I have found this writer to be very well versed in his opinions, in fact as I was reading his article, my memory was flashing back to what Billy has been saying. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/07/01/refuse-to-celebrate-july-4th-militarism/ …Everything is in One, and One is in all, and everything is there in this infinite Creation for every single being, and the single being is there for the whole extensive All. OM | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1175 Registered: 07-2009 |
It wasn't just one clip, there were several taken by different people. Of course such foolish explanations leave out just how and by whom this supposed hole was cut, etc., etc., etc. - and right in front of everyone...including the people in the building and other buildings who, as I recall, NEVER mentioned a really big hole in the building PRIOR to the attack. I think I'll stick with Meier's information from 1987 and 1989, for some reason I think the Plejaren actually know what they're talking about and that you don't. | ||
Kiwilove Member Post Number: 181 Registered: 02-2005 |
September Clues is the video which shows the various videos and sums up why they are not authentic, etc - I think it came out in 2012. The different clips are shown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QlWZQMYdfA Judy Wood and Barbara Honegger do sum up what happened at the Twin Towers and Pentagon respectively - pointing out why the official story simply is not an accurate account of what really happened there using photographic (and video) evidence that was taken on the scene there on the day. | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 218 Registered: 04-2015 |
MH I agree with you about that but Billy and the P's won't talk about WTC 7 or the Pentagon so I'll stick with those two elements of 911 being an inside job. Billy answered questions about the planes going into the twins towers but twice he avoided answering questions specifically about WTC 7. Wonder why? | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 442 Registered: 11-2008 |
Hugo, Billy might not have mentioned anything about WTC 7, but that does not necessarily mean that it was a controlled demolition either. There is "probably" a more logical explanation into how WTC 7 collapsed. http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm In my opinion, what's in the contact reports makes more sense than the conspiracies surrounding 9/11. If you want a conspiracy that might bear "some truth" then there is the TWA Flight 800 which is said to have been shot down by a missile. This was mentioned in the contact reports and just recently on Michael Horn's blog. http://theyflyblog.com/2016/07/06/twa-800-what-really-happened/ | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 726 Registered: 10-2009 |
I'm pretty sure the "professionals" and "secret service" reports never made it into the NIST document. Perhaps their reports were correct after all but I question that anyone got to see those. Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Matthew Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 03-2011 |
How 9/11 could have easily been pulled off by Foreign Terrorists in 2001... An airline would have avoided some pretty hefty, business-ending, lawsuits through all the distracting promotion of the conspiracy nonsense, as would other, connected, aviation-related businesses, no doubt, and I'll try to explain how bombs coudl easily go undetected on board a public flight. Assuming what Billy says is true, then a travelling group of terrorists could get alot of suitcases on board a flight. How did they not alert the authorities and get this explosive baggage on board? The obvious answer, considering the Meier information, is that their quickly-gained US pilot licenses would have come in very handy for cover stories, for security purposes, which is probably the reason why they had only a few flights in the US and made it look like a temporary visit to gain some air time. I'll try to explain how this lack of training actually supports their being more able to pull off 9/11. If the suitcase bombs were very simple and not the tick-tock kind, or, required any electronics to trigger them, then they could have avoided detection if packed well in suitcases and if the pilots were so confident that the crash they were going to attempt could be pulled off and explode the bombs through the heat from the impact. As an aside, there's also the possibility of a Saudi Oil connection through Jet fuel, but, I have no evidence of that. Has anyone considered that though? Different Jet fuels do burn at different temperatures (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel). Many people were convinced by the argument that with the few flights the terrorists had whilst in the US, they could never pull off the attack on 9/11. To that, I would suggest cross-referencing with what we know about the pilot in Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, whom, investigators found, had an expensive hi-tech flight simulator setup at home and practised the same flight runs over and over, according to the data that was found on his hard drive. You can view his flight simulator set up here: http://globalnews.ca/news/1208302/missing-jet-pilots-had-firm-community-family-ties/. It's not beyond the realms of possibility then, that the pilots involved in 9/11 had similar training on computer flight simulators, in order to fly as they did on 9/11, which would have been expensive in 2001 no doubt, but, nowhere near impossible for anyone with some money, especially considering that 'Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000 - 767 - Pilot in Command' was available to the masses in December 2000, as can be verified here: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/wilcos-767-pilot-manual-released/1100-2663346/ Therefore, the pilots could have practised for 9/11 anywhere in the world months before going to the US and committing the deadly attack, despite the few flights they only appear to have made in the US, which would helped their cover story to any security concerns raised (that were only vaguely known about by Bush and a few CIA officers according to Billy in his answer as to what Bush and the CIA actually knew prior to the attacks). Many people dismiss what Billy says about 9/11 as being a cul-de-sac of logic somehow, leading them to more questions than answers, but, they may miss the clues provided by Billy and not attempt to think them through. Salome, Matthew |
