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    Hugo Member Post Number: 329 Registered: 04-2015 |
Votan, do you think more may be attributed to Tesla's (secret?) inventions and genius then what was there? I see no proof to many claims attributed to him other then talk and speculation. Just saying. | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 691 Registered: 12-2011 |
Kenneth Guess what Tesla worked on the Manhattan Project. He left because he did not like what was done. He had the technology to disarm any electrical machinery , after all he invented it all. Please look into the story before you surmise. joe | ||
Andrew_grimshaw Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 08-2014 |
If you're going to take the Hippocratic Oath, you might want to know who Hippocrates was and what you are swearing to. Hippocrates' most known saying would be: Let food thy medicine, and medicine be thy food. and his 2nd would be: Make a habit of two things: to help; or at least to do no harm. - The Silent Revolution Of Truth - | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 144 Registered: 05-2004 |
How do people learn here? What hierarchy of knowledge exists among the members? Who are the most knowledgeable? Which members are assisting others in their studies? How does one study the spiritual teaching? What qualifies anyone here to assist others and how did you gain such qualification? Did you learn directly from Billy? | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 738 Registered: 08-2010 |
Joseph_emmanuel, Billy encourages self-education, or self-learning called autodidact. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 10-2016 |
How do people learn here? For most this learning is done by reading the books whether you do not have a language barrier (like some), and read the original German books, or if you have a language barrier and just stick with reading the available official English translations, although some do not and just read the free online stuff, and are only into the contact reports because they are not interested in the spiritual teaching. The thing about FIGU is that everyone learns at their own pace, there is not pre-set requirements for what books to read. Michael Horn, or FIGU Swiss (or one of the two Landesgruppen) are a great source for books, and to further assist your studies: depending on what country you live in, there might be an official interested group that is in your area, or an unofficial study group you might be fortunate enough to live near. what hierarchy of knowledge exists among the members? There are no heirarchies among the FIGU, I recommend reading "FIGU in a nutshell" to familiarize yourself with the finer points of FIGU. https://creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Public/Documents/FIGU%20in%20a%20Nutshell_sec.pdf?ver=2016-06-05-231811-307 Who are the most knowledgeable? This is really immaterial, as one can read in https://www.creationaltruth.org/FIGU/SpiritualTeaching/InEverydayLife/Desiderata.aspx one should avoid drawing comparisons to oneself, as one will constantly be confronted with those that are higher-developed then oneself in certain things, and those that are lower-developed then oneself in certain things. And as it says, one can listen to both the "clever ones and intellectual ones as also the weak intelligence ones, the naive and unknowing ones, because they also have an opinion and any things to say or tell." The point of the teaching is to make yourself more personally knowledgeable so you can turn your knowledge into useable essence of wisdom (Weisheiten) through living experience (Erleben), as well as accumulate love, the virtues, the high values, etc,and other treasures of the consciousness, and when it comes to the forums: most of us are all students who are in the process of learning together for the betterment of our consciousness-based evolutionary developement. How does one study the spiritual teaching? The typical rule of thumb is to follow the recommendation of studying the spiritual teaching for one hour a day. In today's world this is not always possible, so it is also recommended to observe quality over quantity as well. Some students such as myself can access the German books directly, while others do not have this benefit. If you are a German reader, and a passive member, one can also subscribe to the "spirit-lessons" which are letters of learning that one signs a contract not to reveal to any other human-beings what the letters say, they are for personal use only. IF one does decide to read the German books, for knowledge, or to translate them into his/her native language, it is recommended that one utilizes the FIGU dictionary for his/her studies because there is a great benefit of knowing the adequate definitions of the German terms that are appropriate for the spiritual teaching. The makers of "standard" dictionaries are unable to adequately translate the spiritual teaching terminology. Did you learn directly from Billy? Over the years, I was one of the few forum posters to post questions to Billy about passages, and principles Billy writes about in his German books, which his answers helped me immensely, I was disappointed when the section came to an end. The good news is the archives are still there to study. I have personally had the benefit from learning from core-group members as well, when I send them questions from time to time. This is cool and all, but the best source-teachers are the books themselves, and it is always recommended to read the German language, because of the "evolution-code", as well as the German explanations bring the most benefit to the reader, but this is just not possible for everybody, so do what you can. You will also discover, no one knows "everything", knowledge is always relative, and can always be increased, but you will meet wise persons (Weisen) who have been studying the FIGU material over the course of years, that may, or may not share knowledge with you, because as Eddie said, self-education (by reading the books) is recommended by Billy, so one can validate the existence of a particular truth inside themselves. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Tyler_rutland New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2016 |
Personally I think it would go a lot better here if we brought more of Billy's texts into our posts and used them to compare and contrast our assertions, but I made the mistake of rambling too and getting drunk on my own words. So for me that was a learning experience too. | ||
Tyler_rutland New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2016 |
Nobody stands above anybody else. There's a lot of material to learn this lifetime, and everybody has been studying something different from each other, although there are overlapping parts such as learning and applying the might of the thoughts and the knowledge about the psyche. But there aren't any gurus or masters, no padewans and no Yoda. Some people have learned a lot and some are just starting out, so the people who have learned a lot can help those who are just starting out. All we can do is try to explain things but keep to the best explanations although we all have to be discerning and not believe, since everybody puts their own interpretations into things and uses their own examples to try and explain everything. I don't actually know how to explain things perfectly, but I try my best - until I learn of a better way by making mistakes. So long as we don't believe each other or hang on each others' words but always go back to Billy's texts and then only trust what is good after we test everything, then we should be OK because that's how the study groups were designed to work. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 422 Registered: 07-2006 |
An open word of the Plejaren Ptaah ...in the matter of antagonists against FIGU, Billy and FIGU-Members Excerpt from the 662nd contact-discussion on 3-Nov-2016 from FIGU -Open Words of the Truth and Time No. 04 (Feb 2017) pgs 1 - 5 My translation of this article (which may contain errors) can be found here: https://www.creationaltruth.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=xTqOvGfaNk8%3d&tabid=247&portalid=0&mid=2826 Enjoy & Salome, PatM | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi, while reading the contact reports on the Billy Meier site The Future of Mankind, I noticed that the latest batch of contact reports are under the title: Contact Reports 2011 to 2050. Is 2050 just a random year because no one knows how long the contact reports will go on for, or is this suggesting that Billy will still be around at this time, at the age of 113 years? | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 704 Registered: 12-2011 |
How did you find those contact reports. I checked on search engine and not there. Thanks. joe | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 427 Registered: 07-2006 |
Votan, look at: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Pleiadian/Plejaren_Contact_Reports#Contact_Reports_2011_to_2050 Salome, PatM | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 198 Registered: 05-2004 |
Does anyone know what has happened with the Billy Meier Wiki site The Future of Mankind? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2672 Registered: 12-1999 |
The site should be back up within 24 hours....hardware failure. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 166 Registered: 10-2016 |
One final clarification: When I said "It will be an uphill conflict between the teaching of the truth, and the untruth, and so many of us currently are ahead of our time.", I meant conflict as in opposing energies (like the Yin Yang symbol), not a barbaric war. The future = (the teaching of the truth) could oppose energetically with the outdated teaching of yesteryear (religion) = (the untruth) and win out, by people "living out" the truth/the future. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 167 Registered: 10-2016 |
Each FIGU-Forum post, each page of a FIGU book that is read (and reflected upon), each creational neutral-positive realization made in one's life is a small part of making history, and shaping the future, in what, in less then a millennia, will become an Earth chronicle. Those of us in the FIGU community are involved in the present lifetime of assisting to shape this planet's destiny, and many of us could "luck out" (*) if the chances are good we will become re-involved in our next life, and so on forward through time in this era of Aquarius. In the present time, the few sprouting seedlings of FIGU people are not noticed, not listened to, and not respected collectively, maybe this will change in the coming decades as more and more effects from overpopulation claim Earth human lives, and brings forth disaster to the populace. One would just have to access Sfath's 1948 P & P's, or any of FIGU's anti-overpopulation material, to be respected in the future. It will be an uphill conflict between the teaching of the truth, and the untruth, and so many of us currently are ahead of our time. My only solace in facing the future is because of overpopulation disaster, things may get so bad, that many in the general populace may be willing to give up outdated, and worn mentalities that belong in the past, because of the difficult lessons learned at a great cost. With food and water is short supply, they will likely become more precious then gold, scientific development will most likely be respected enough to help assist us with our planet's ills, and to balance out the technological development: precious valueful teaching from the spiritual teaching, the teaching of truth, the teaching of the spirit, the teaching of life could also become a precious commodity, for those who are knowledgeable enough to absorb this into their human consciousness, and become the epitome of being an example of knowledge, the essence of wisdom, logic, deference for all life-forms, love for the next one, etc. Whatever calamity that affects our planet in the future, we will all have to be strong, in the coming time of great changes. I find comfort in the law of becoming and passing, and the law of rebirth/reincarnation, I know in my heart of hearts that I will have another crack at it = (assisting to shape this planet's destiny). ----- * = "luck" would not have anything to do with it, but good fortune (glücklich) would somewhat, as this would simply be a foreordination that would fulfill as a result of the law of cause and effect, that would manifest as a vibratory resonance due to laws of Creation (in the consciousness of the new personality, etc). = effects would be a result of efforts of rigerous study in the former life = which effected the storage-banks personal frequency, and the fluidal forces accessed by the subconsciousness of the future life, not to mention the essences (of virtue, wisdom etc.) programmed into the new personalities' new consciousness-block. ----- Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 759 Registered: 12-2011 |
Corey Apparently there is more water below earth than on top including the oceans. If the great flood occurred the water had to go somewhere. joe | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 182 Registered: 10-2016 |
In the future, when there is natural-disaster calamitous destruction, the people will pray to their non-existent God, only to find out that the heavens did not crack open, and not a single one of the non-existent angels were (not) sent to rescue the Earth. An unsubstantial non-existing "God" will neither help, nor hurt this blue planet of ours. The skies will not flood with extraterrestrial rescuers sent on a rescue-mission to rescue Earth humankind from self-induced calamitous destruction, because if they did this, we would not learn anything (when we learn: we will be "re-balanced" to the natural normalcy). To world governments, I surmise there will not be extraterrestrial contact with our people for a century or two (?). It is too early in our overall development, First we need to learn how to procreate wisely, and within natural limits (only 12 humans per square kilometer), we need to use our technology more wisely (for the beneficial use of mankind), let me give you an example of this: cures are held-back from the populace, to perpetuate the pharmaceutical industries on this planet. This is not peaceful developmental progress in a "take several steps forward" on your way up the ladder. The masses are also kept in a worked-up hysterical frenzy regarding extraterrestrials by secret organizations. These secret people do not have the people of Earth's best interests at heart. The rescue mission to save the Earth is taking place right now, at this very moment, and has been for 72 years, the Meier contacts are the rescue mission. It is up to our planet's people to put this information into practical application, before we destroy ourselves. Don't believe me that we could destroy ourselves, how soon until the next war is thought up? A day? A week? A month or two? My calculation is if WW4 starts, over 6 billion innocent terrestrials will lose their lives, and as BEAM states in contact 251, the entire northern hemisphere will be destroyed. Pass this along to your best people, and realize that not suppressing this case would be a great start. ----- Will it take natural destruction that has never before been seen on this planet to teach our people how to wisely procreate, and how to use our technology more wisely? Will this teach our people the necessary sense of "oneness" [one single people = terrestrial humankind = one people that respects, and tolerates varied cultures of each of the different peoples of the "one single people"] that we need to survive the upcoming changes to this planet? Will this never before seen natural destruction teach the powers-that-be not to suppress the Meier case? ----- The natural destruction is coming, the "re-balancing" of this planet back to the natural normalcy has already been slated by our crimes of overpopulation, warlike aggressive actions, and unchecked consumerism. It's up to our planet's people to learn the wisdom necessary to proceed more wise in the future, out of our people's blood that will by spilled by natural disasters. Lots of lives are at stake, and there will be some losses of human life, that much is assured by the natural forces. ----- The Earth itself will claim revenge for our mistreatment of it (her). We are also pulling our children out of the beyond way too early, before their fresh personality was programmed. Pregnant mothers should also be thinking of virtues such as "honour" and "deference" to send their unborn baby the impulses of these positive attributes, as well as, mothers should be students of the spiritual teaching to send the child passive-neutral impulses while in the womb. Criminals should be banished, separated from society, separated by gender, and have access to the spiritual teaching. ----- No matter how much we mistreat, and torture the Earth, the Earth will never submit. 7:132: "See the signs of your appearance (nature) and allow yourselves to be captivated (influenced) by them so that you recognise that the earth with its laws of its appearance (nature) will not submit to you, but that you must fall in line with it (integrate yourselves) in order to spend your existence (life) in togetherness with it, and to obtain (draw) the best gains (effects) from it." 7:132: "Seht die Zeichen eures Aussehens (Natur) und lasst euch davon berücken (beeinflussen), auf dass ihr erkennt, dass sich die Erde mit ihren Gesetzen ihres Aussehens (Natur) euch nicht unterwerfen wird, sondern dass ihr euch mit ihr gleichstellen (einfügen) müsst, um in Gemeinsamkeit mit ihr euer Dasein (Leben) zu fristen und die besten Gewinne (Wirkungen) daraus zu bedingen (ziehen)." 7:133: "Therefore consider: Whatever you do with your earth, it will never submit to you." 7:133: "Also bedenkt: Was ihr mit eurer Erde auch immer tut, so wird sie sich euch nie unterwerfen." "Goblet of the Truth" 7:132-7:133/translated officially by FIGU-Switzerland/copyright FIGU-BEAM ----- During the forthcoming next 200 years, after I am long since dead, let me be remembered for pointing out one of my more favorite (meaningful) verses penned by BEAM, with emphasis on the last bit, the part about picking up the stones (mistakes), and learning from them: 5:75: "And those who believe in fabulated (invented) gods and tin gods, as these all are, they have turned away from the truth and have assembled together in peoples of godliness (belief) and fight (wage war) against other peoples with death and destruction if they belong to another godliness (religion) and have different gods and tin gods; and all amongst them lie by saying that their godhead or their tin god is the same and the only one for all peoples and for each godliness (religion) and for all subgodlinesses (sects/cults) (that only one god exists for all); and all the believers in gods and tin gods, they lie that their god or tin god loves them and all people of their kind (human beings) and is kindhearted to all providing it is loved and prayed to in submissiveness by its believers; however those who are unbelievers and have rejected it or dispute (disapprove) it with words and thoughts and feelings shall be met with the accusation of reproach and made to fear, so that they receive a punishment from their god or tin god which shall be meted out to them by believers; but truly, this is not part of the wellspring of all love (Creation), because its laws and recommendations are directed towards true love and the wellbeing of all creatures (life forms), towards their peace and freedom and consonance (harmony); and all these high values are granted by the laws and recommendations of the wellspring of all love (Creation) without differentiation between the type of creature (life form), because truly, its laws and recommendations do not demand from any of its creatures (life forms) even one iota of punishment for delinquencies (transgressions/offences/wrongdoings, etc.), because each creature (life form) imposes a punishment on itself through a delinquency (transgression/offence/wrongdoing, etc.) from which it may learn and recognise and become more knowing and more wise; and truly, the misdeeds (errors) that you commit are stones on the way of cognition and of unfolding (evolution) that you are treading, therefore you shall pick up the stones which are the misdeeds (errors) and place them carefully at the side of the way (learn) so as to pick them up once again and continue carrying them (continue learning) when it is necessary." 5:75: " Und jene, welche an erdichtete (erfundene) Götter und Götzen glauben, wie diese alle es sind, sie haben sich von der Wahrheit abgekehrt und haben sich in Völkern der Frömmigkeit (Glaubens) zusammengeschlossen und bekämpfen (bekriegen) mit Tod und Zerstörung andere Völker, die einer anderen Frömmigkeit (Religion) angehören und andere Götter und Götzen haben; und alle unter ihnen, sie lügen daher, dass ihre Gottheit oder ihr Götze gleichsam für alle Völker und für jede Frömmigkeit (Religion) und für alle Unterfrömmigkeiten (Sekten/Kulte) nur der eine sei (dass nur ein Gott für alle existiere); und all die Gläubigen an Götter und Götzen, sie lügen daher, dass ihr Gott oder Götze sie und alle ihresgleichen (Menschen) liebe und zu allen gütig sei, wenn er von seinen Gläubigen auch geliebt und in Demütigkeit angebetet werde; doch wider jene, welche Ungläubige seien und ihn ablehnten oder wider ihn mit Worten und Gedanken und Eindrücken (Gefühlen) streiten (ablehnen), sollen mit dem Vorwurf des Tadels und mit Furcht belegt werden, auf dass sie durch ihren Gott oder Götzen Strafe erhalten, die durch Gläubige an ihnen vollstreckt werden soll; doch wahrlich, solches ist nicht der Quelle aller Liebe (Schöpfung) eigen, denn ihre Gesetze und Gebote sind ausgerichtet auf wahrheitliche Liebe und auf das Wohl ergehen aller Kreatur (Lebensformen), auf deren Frieden und Freiheit und Gleichstimmung (Harmonie); und all diese hohen Werte gewähren die Gesetze und Gebote der Quelle aller Liebe (Schöpfung), ohne Unterschied der Art der Kreatur (Lebensform), denn wahrlich, ihre Gesetze und Gebote fordern von keiner ihrer Kreaturen (Lebensformen) auch nicht mit einem Stäubchen Gewicht Bestrafung für Fehlungen Verfehlungen/Straftaten/Missetaten usw.), denn jede Kreatur (Lebensform) fügt sich mit einer Fehlung (Verfehlung/Straftat/Missetat usw.) selbst Bestrafung zu, auf dass sie daraus lerne und erkenne und wissender und weiser werde; und wahrlich, die Fehlhaftigkeiten (Fehler), die ihr begeht, sie sind Steine auf dem Weg der Erkenntnis und der Entfaltung (Evolution), den ihr beschreitet, also ihr die Steine, die das Fehlhafte (Fehler) sind, aufhebt und sie sorgsam an den Wegrand legt (lernt), um sie abermals aufzuheben und weiterzutragen (weiterzulernen), wenn es notwendig ist." My final thought: Overpopulation is a crime-contravention against the natural laws (natural normalcy). In the next 200 years, may our people pick up the stones of the misdeed (overpopulation), and learn cognisance on the way of development (wise procreation within natural limits [natural normalcy of 12 human life-forms per square kilometer]). This could help restore our world's honour (systematic planetary honour granted for systematic peaceful/beneficial development) for a great "re-balance". "Goblet of the Truth" 5:75/translated officially by FIGU-Switzerland/copyright FIGU-BEAM Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 607 Registered: 04-2011 |
Thank you, Corey. "All our environmental problems become easier to solve with fewer people and harder - and ultimately impossible to solve - with ever more people... It is coming home to roost over the next 50 years or so. It is not just climate change; it is sheer space, places to grow food for this enormous horde. Either we limit our population growth or the world will do it for us, and the natural world is doing it for us right now." David Attenborough | ||
Aljames New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2017 |
Hi guys, I've made a petition on the whitehouse website here: Link deleted per request by member "Call for and Join a Multi-National Peace Force of 300,000 soldiers to capture or destroy ISIS" It needs to get to 150 signatures to become viewable by the public, and 100,000 signatures by June 14th to get submitted to congress for discussion, it would be really great if we get this going! Please send it to as many people as you feel fit. Many thanks Al} (Message edited by scott on October 01, 2018) | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 666 Registered: 04-2013 |
Aljames, Thanks for putting this together, I signed the petition as well. Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 190 Registered: 10-2016 |
In today's world of the negative energy of drug abuse/drug overdoses, religious fundamentalism, sexual abuse & the rapes of women and children, celebrity worship, war, terrorism, and acts of Gewalt, there are many dark, and evil paths one can go down to lose their way. Everyone on this planet is looking for a way out from the misery, because people do not realize it is self-inflicted. People all over this Earth are looking for just a little morsel of something substantial (and truthly) to sink their teeth into, but are deaf, dumb, and blind on where to look to successfully find such a substantial morsel. People check their newsfeed to find the latest communication, and do not realize this is not the way out either. People think that very next "meme" will give them a gift of changing on the inside (to do that one must start within their thoughts [a gift of "oneself" is = "self-given" = inside one's thoughts]). If you study the FIGU books, you are thrown a lifeline in this topsy-turvy world that can save your life so you are no longer "walking dead", and you will no longer be bankrupt in the consciousness. Learn about the natural order and movement of the universe, by studying the very old laws and recommendations of Creation. These creational laws and recommendations are almost as old as time itself. Study the evolutionary-import of the truth teaching, and open (and develop) your love for the truth. You will henceforth turn your back on the dark, and evil paths that would cause you to lose your way, and you could assist others to find their correct truthly path, as you learn to become lord and master of yourself = you can learn to become one of the wise ones (Weisen). The path to wisdom is sometimes rocky, and thorny, but you will overcome the negative and walk the path, and learn to correctly love yourself and walk in dignity, and you will learn to have love and deference for all life-forms, as well as, have deference for the source of all life in every universe = the Creation. ----- As I drink my tea, I look back on my life-path, and realize my mistakes, and my successes, and I can see the forest for the trees of forging my own destiny of the present-time. The future-time will show what will happen, it will unfold in due time, but when it arrives, I have to be ready. ----- Knowledge, wisdom, and love are are "overtrumping" like the Creation. Money, and glorification are only transience, and are a terrible reward that will not last in comparison to the accumulation of the knowledge, the wisdom, and the love. It's true that one cannot survive without money, but one cannot adequately survive without these 3 either, because life is always worth living if you possess these 3. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 191 Registered: 10-2016 |
Clarification: Love and deference for all life-forms, means loving and having a venerating respect for everybody, no matter what skin color one has, no matter what one looks like, or no matter whether they are male, or female, young, or old, wise or dumb. At least someone who lacks intelligence can be taught the appropriate wisdom if they are open-minded enough, someone that is xenophobic can hardly be taught true deference. Salome/Corey Müske |
