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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 625
Registered: 04-2011

Posted on Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 12:30 am:

Dear Moderators - kindly delete the previous Roswell post and publish this mail, instead:

ROSWELL …

Col. P.J. Roswell was right:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/roswell-crash-witness-says-it-was-definitely-aliens/ar-BBBQwBD?li=AAavLaF&ocid=spartanntp

Side note:

The ETs in “our skies” -according to Ptaah:

http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/14997.html#POST79859
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/14997.html#POST79902
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/14997.html#POST79903
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/14997.html#POST79906

There may be a chance that the 3 groups of “foreign” ETs in our skies are of the same group that crashed in Roswell:
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/2119.html#POST80010

Salome,

Bill

Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 626
Registered: 04-2011

Posted on Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 08:09 am:

PS

There seems to be a problem with the last hyperlink - it was mailed (in this section) on Dec 24, 2016:
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/15552.html#POST80010

Kenneth
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Post Number: 688
Registered: 04-2013

Posted on Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 03:43 pm:

Bill,

These four groups of extraterrestrial and visitors from Earths future are very interesting indeed. Some may have correctly assumed that a number of Earthly humanity survived in order to travel back in time to view how their ancient Earthling ancestors messed everything up and their survival as well? This rational may compel some folks to think that it really does not matter that much; Earthly humanity will successfully evolve far into the future regardless?

Here is an alternative hypothesis to ponder about. What if those that the Plejaren (Billy) tell us that some of the four groups that are from Earth's future is actually a resettlement of humans from other worlds, after several generations of Living on Earth, now call themselves Earthlings, because they actually settled on a plant where all the former inhabitants destroyed themselves along with the planets resources and the atmosphere, which took millions of years to reestablish itself?

Kenneth

Corey
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Post Number: 202
Registered: 10-2016

Posted on Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 08:49 pm:

~Dearest Bill (Tat_tvam_asi),

This is a pretty good collection of posts you assembled regarding the 3 groups of "foreign" ET's. With tenacity, you do remarkable research among the German bulletins, and announcements regarding these 3(4) groups, and relay this important information to the English FIGU-Forums.

I wish to further discuss your Reticuli theory.
My only questions are: if you say these groups could possibly be from the Zeta Reticuli star system, where the source of the Androids in the Roswell crash, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Semjase in the 70's stated the P's made contact with the beings from Zeta Reticuli about the crashed androids (if memory serves these Reticuli can fly in their planet's atomsphere like a "superhero"), yet contact 576 that you summarized with post #490 in this thread somewhile ago indicates the Plejaren do not contact these 3 "foreign" ET groups, although they deciphered their language in 9 days (I thought it was interesting these 3 "foreign" ET groups have round, triangular and boomerang-shaped UFOs!). . Plus, if the 3 "foreign" ET groups have been coming here to observe us for 5,000 years (contact 578), and the Reticuli androids where travelling at sub-lightspeed (-PER Billy answered question September 27, 2006 in Q and A) that it does not add up that the 3 "foreign" ET groups have the technological prowess to be in our airspace for 5,000 years, but they only travel at sub-lightspeed like the Reticuli?

I like the fact Bill that you are "theorizing" where these 3 "foreign" ET groups come from (what specific star system). It is obvious that if they have been observing us for 5,000 years, and the Plejaren find no need to investigate them further (contact 576) and rule-out in case they might harm us, and considering the fact that these 3(4) "foreign" ET groups are intertwined with our planet's future: contact 602 (Billy: "that at least two groups definitively come from outside our present time, and one is earth-future-related and the other parallel-space-related.") terrestrials will someday know where these 3 groups come from because the 3 ET groups will break their silence, make contact, and tell us when our people are ready (I don't know, maybe after our people finally learn how to wisely procreate, make more advancements in technology and medicine, and outlaw war that is not gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit-related?!?). Perhaps, in some far-off distant time Bill (Tat_tvam_asi), maybe your far-off descendants will be honoured publically for you trying to "theorize" where these 3 groups come from on the English FIGU-Forums back in the year 2017 with post #625. Stranger things have happened. :-)

Salome/Corey Müske

Joe
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Post Number: 506
Registered: 11-2008

Posted on Sunday, June 04, 2017 - 03:39 am:

Tat_tvam_asi,

You are wrong with your post http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/14997.html#POST79902 where you said that Asket's people are the Sonaer because they are not. Asket's people are known as the "Timmar" and are from the planet "Timar" which is in the Akon star system in the DAL Universe.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Timmar

The Sonaer are also from the DAL universe like Asket, but are technologically more advanced than Asket's people known as the "Timmar".

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Sonaer

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_448

Tat_tvam_asi
Member

Post Number: 627
Registered: 04-2011

Posted on Sunday, June 04, 2017 - 08:08 pm:

Joe

The main points of my post are quite OK.
But yes, the technique the Plejaren required to "retrieve information" from the "foreign to Earth" ETs, was obtained from the Sonaer, which are only “friends of" Asket's people.

Thank you for making me re-check the source and correct the mistake.

Dear Moderators,

Please change in my post 490
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/14997.html#POST79902
the wording “Asket’s people (the Sonaer)” to “the Sonaer, which are friends of Asket’s people”

Reference:
http://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/sonder-bulletin/2014/nr-77/576-kontaktbericht?page=0,4
(page 5, close to the bottom of the page)

Thank you for your assistance.

Salome,

Bill

Tat_tvam_asi
Member

Post Number: 628
Registered: 04-2011

Posted on Monday, June 05, 2017 - 05:56 am:

Salome Corey,

Thank you…

I cannot verify whether Semjase mentioned that the Plejaren contacted the people from Zeta Reticuli.
It would be somewhat surprising, though:

Quetzal at a later date (CR 215, Feb 28, 1987):

100. Only the appearance of our androids is different in nature, for they are created after our likenesses, while the Reticulum androids resemble their creators, who are, in spite of their high technology and various sciences, still very unknowing in terms of really spiritual and creative interests, yet still arranged into a high and liberal culture with expressed human rights.
101. Nevertheless, our directives forbid us from maintaining deliberate physical or telepathic contact with them
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_215

Billy in CR 532:
The 2nd sentence of CR 532 seems to express “a similar explanation” why the Plejaren keep a distance from the people related to the 3 groups of alien UFOs *):
Billy wants to speak with Ptaah about the “Earth aliens” whose UFOs are in our skies telling Ptaah that “You (the Plejaren) have indeed no contact with them and also do not want to get in contact with them..” *)

Thus the Plejaren do not want to be in contact with those 3 groups of UFO people that are not “Erdzukünftige”.

Ptaah subsequently explains that a contact is not sought because of their less developed technical know-how and their lack of respecting the laws of Creation.
This is very similar to the explanation given by Quetzal.

Apart from these CRs -
We certainly know that the ones that crashed in Roswell were from Zeta Reticuli.
So they must have been visiting Earth for some time.

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This is how I would interpret the origin of the 3 alien groups on our night skies.
But a full proof will be hard to establish since Ptaah cannot specify their location.

Salome,

Bill

PS
One question, Corey:
Would you know Billy’s view on “Alien Interview” ?

*) Note re. CR 532 published in the futureofmankind website:

The translation of the first 2 sentences on the give a very wrong impression:

a) Sentence-1: by missing a small but important word (“-ones”):

Billy starts the conversation asking Ptaah for information about those ETs that are not “Erdzukünftige” (kindly see the explanation I gave to Kenneth):
“Dann meine nächste Frage, die sich nicht auf die Zukünftigen bezieht, mit denen ihr sowieso keine Verbindung haben wollt, meine Frage bezieht sich auf die euch Unbekannten, resp. auf die euch Erdfremden…”

The translation on the futureofmankind website given is:
“Then my next question which does not apply to the future, with those of whom .”
It should rather be:
“Then my next question which does not apply to the future-ones, with those of whom …"

b) Sentence 2: By translating “ihr” (=you in English) with “I”

German:
”Ihr habt zwar keinen Kontakt mit ihnen und wollt auc nicht mit ihnen in Verbindung treten….”
English translation should be:
“You have indeed no contact with them and also do not want to get in contact with them..”
But is translated as:
“I have indeed no contact with them and also do not want to get in contact with them..”

Tat_tvam_asi
Member

Post Number: 629
Registered: 04-2011

Posted on Monday, June 05, 2017 - 06:49 am:

Update To The UFO Groups

(I can only post a rough copy as I have not much time – sorry)

Kenneth suggestion made me re-read all CRs related to the UFO scenario esp. re. the “Erdzukünftige” (“Earthlings from the Future”)
And like Billy told Ptaah that one could get easily confused with the groupings the Plejaren call “Erdzukünftige”, I need to update the “several CRs presentation” somewhat, too.

There are, according to Billy and Ptaah the following groups of UFOs flying in our skies:

Group 1: Two Groups of UFOs of “Earthlings”

a) UFOs of Earthlings From A Future Time

These people deserve the name “Earthlings from the Future”:
They fly back via time travel to visit our present day Earth.

b) UFOs of people living on Earth from our time

The Plejaren call “Erdzukünftige” as well those whose “total technique” corresponds very well with the technique that Earthlings will fully develop on Earth in a future time (they are now beginning with it but it will be a long time before this becomes reality).

Ptaah is not allowed to mention any names or locations but there are many indications hinting that the people flying these UFOs are the blue race living in subterranean Agartha:

First of all he tells Billy (in a CR dated May 3, 2016 in Bulletin 95) that they live in a deep subterranean abode which immediately makes Billy name them “the Inner Earth” people rather than “Erdzukünftige”:
He may have wanted to prevent any further confusion with what one would normally define Earthlings from the Future”.

As the Mt Shasta UFOs have left us, there is a high likelihood that these people are the blue race - Further indications see *)

Group 2: 3 groups of alien (non Earth) UFOs

These 3 groups belong to the same race (which I interpreted as being from Zeta Reticuli.
Each group is responsible for a part of our planet.

So the overall correct view of UFO groups in our skies:

(I) 2 Groups of Earthling UFOs
Group-1: Earthlings returning from a future time
Group-2: Earthlings from our present time(subterranean dwellers - Blue Race/Agartha?)

(II) 3 Groups of Alien UFOs - All from the same location (Zeta Reticuli?) responsible for different parts of our planet:
Group 1: North and South America
Group 2: Europe/Africa/Madagascar/Arabia/Arctic
Group 3: Asia / Australia-NZ / Oceania

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*)
===CR dated May 3, 2016 (Bulletin 95):===

Billy replies to Ptaah in an enigmatic sentence in which the dotted parts are left out:

"Fine, then let us not mention (these places). BTW – Are those three that I have met in … and as well the two in … members of the … as you call them… they live in a subterranean form of state in …."

Good Billy.
He obviously knows that we fellow humans want to know who these people are!
Because in another CR (I do not know its no.) he mentioned that he met members of the blue race while he was in India.

So I would enter the following details in:
"Fine, then let us not mention (these places). BTW – Are those three that I have met in (place in India) and as well the two in (place in India) members of the (blue race) as you call them… they live in a subterranean form of state in (Tibet) .."

====CR 532===

Billy starts the conversation asking Ptaah for more information about ETs visiting Earth:
“Dann meine nächste Frage, die sich nicht auf die Zukünftigen bezieht, mit denen ihr sowieso keine Verbindung haben wollt, “
The translation given on the FutureofMankind website is somewhat misleading:
“Then my next question which does not apply to the future, with those of whom you do not want to have any contact...”
It should rather be:
“Then my next question which does not apply to the future-ones, with those of whom you do not want to have any contact"

This passage in CR 532 reminds me of the great caution with which Ptaah gives Billy a few sparse details of the blue race, the “Suns of the Sun” ^) in CR 039 ^^)

Perhaps the Plejaren caution stems from their (blue race’s) drive to world domination:
They (the descendants of the ancient Mu, living today in underground Agartha) “unfortunately have as well a tendency towards earthly world domination …”.

And we know that they do not yet want to meet with the other group which the Ps call as well “Erdzukünftige” (Earthlings flying back into our time).

NB

The CR states that UFOs of the "Inner Earth" Earthlings seem to visit very often the western hemisphere (west of Greenwich) and very seldom the eastern hemisphere.
Ptaah mentions the reason for this to Billy but it is again dotted out in the CR (no CR no given but dated May 3, 2016 – see Bulletin 95)

I would assume they may be interested in NASA's research esp. what "develops" in and around Area 51…

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^)
Re. “Sons of the Sun”.

In CR 39 Ptaah calls the blue race the "Sons of the Sun".
Well, Japan is called the “Empire of the Sun” - the Japanese flag expressing this connection, too.

The English make the “Land of the Rising Sun” out of it, others credit it to the fact that the Emperor of the Chinese Sui Dynasty referred to Japan in a similar fashion.

But the Japanese themselves call their country “Nippon or Ni(hon)” which is translated as “origin of” = “hon” and “sun” = “ni”.

But "Sons of the Sun" is not only a Japanese insignia:

According to oral tradition - one of the 4 “origin” myths of the Incas refers as well to “Manco Capac” as a “Son of the Sun”.

And the “Mongolian Spot – birthmark” is not only found in Latin America (which could be explained with Asian races crussing the Bering Street when there was a land bridge during the last Ice Age (which ended due to the Atlantis destruction 11,515 years ago).
It is as well found all over the Pacific Ocean (Micronesia, Oceania, Polynesia).
To access these more remote spots - in ancient times - needed the aid of an advanced civilisation.

So perhaps there was some intermingling along the Pacific Rim…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_spot
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The Wikipedia entry for Shamb(h)ala (Chinese Pinyin “xiangbala”) tells of ancient, pre Tibetan, scripts of the Zhang Zhung culture referring to a city “where all inhabitants are enlightened…”
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/13273.html#POST70880
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^^) CR 039
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_039

Ptaah:

210. Unfortunately, I can’t give you exhaustive information in an open form because certain things still have to remain confidential.
210. Leider kann ich dir in Offenheit nicht erschöpfende Auskunft geben, da gewisse Dinge noch weiterhin geheim bleiben müssen.

211. However, this much may be said, that in the vicinity of Shigatse and Shampulla is the underground realm of Agharta, the capital and center of distant descendants of extraterrestrials on Earth.
211. Soviel jedoch darf erklärt werden, dass sich in der Nähe von Shigatse und Shampulla das unterirdische Reich Agharta befindet, die Hauptstadt und das Zentrum ferner Nachfahren Ausserirdischer auf der Erde.

212. This is the center of the actual secrets that hold a gigantic power in themselves. 212. Es ist dies das Zentrum der wirklichen Geheimnisse, die eine gigantische Macht in sich bergen.

213. This city is controlled by the race of the Sons of the Sun.
213. Beherrscht wird diese Stadt von der Rasse der Sonnensöhne.

214. But unfortunately, a tendency toward earthly world domination also prevails with this race, just like with certain earthly religions and secret societies.
214. Leider herrscht jedoch auch bei dieser Rasse eine Tendenz zur irdischen Weltherrschaft vor, genau wie bei gewissen irdischen Religionen und Geheimbünden.

215. I may not explain anything else about it openly.
215. Mehr darf ich darüber nicht offen erklären

Tat_tvam_asi
Member

Post Number: 630
Registered: 04-2011

Posted on Monday, June 05, 2017 - 05:48 am:

Thank you, Kenneth - Interesting hypothesis.
I thought that at least some of us may survive and create a new civilisation.
But if Earth was completely destroyed and is re-settled and these new settlers are visiting us they would certainly be “Earthlings from the future” as well.

There is no information to verify either of these alternatives in the CRs I mentioned.

Salome,

Bill

Corey
Member

Post Number: 293
Registered: 10-2016

Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2017 - 06:01 am:

~As a boy, Billy made many time-jumps into the future with Sfath as part of his training. Now as the future progresses, it is our responsibility to "live-out" the future firsthand as it unfolds, the future that Billy saw as a youth.

Living-out this future includes living through to experience, and possibly surviving the cause and effect sequences of overpopulation disasters, even if these could result in the propensity of the negative = natural-fury resulting in deadly natural destruction.

The new spiritual teaching people will have to capitalize on this disaster, by proving the fulfilling of the overpopulation P & P's, to be educating the masses on destruction caused by cause and effect, by our very own doing.~

Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural):
----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen."

27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under."

Joseph_emmanuel
Member

Post Number: 303
Registered: 05-2004

Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 12:55 am:

Corey, so what's your point? What point are you making. We know this already. It's been said many times in different ways in other posts. You're merely repeating information.

Justsayno
Member

Post Number: 810
Registered: 10-2009

Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 06:50 am:

Hi Joseph, it's called constant dripping and according to the material is very effective.

Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.

Daniel_7
New member

Post Number: 2
Registered: 07-2017

Posted on Friday, July 21, 2017 - 12:27 pm:

The subject of discussion title in and of itself caused me to think. It on the one hand indicates we have UFO's of our own, having achieved that rigourous development and testing, while on the other that we can use them to move through time, accurately, and time then itself becomes a matter because logically this would all occur in the not so distant future, and then the rapid development, short life and technological revolution all then become areas for thought because were there anything interesting to see in their past, whether using their short time for that purpose all becomes another matter, we could then discuss the foundations that we may be constructing today in our society which may stand for hundreds of years to come, initiating that interest for them, our descendants.

Corey
Member

Post Number: 320
Registered: 10-2016

Posted on Monday, September 04, 2017 - 12:37 am:

Hello Daniel_7,

I do not know if you still monitor the forums, but I read your post from July, and was moved to respond.

When our UFO's come back from this future of ours, to the present-time to monitor what is an interest for them, we in the current time might not clearly know how the future will play out as a clear picture, but there have been enough predictions to know more then the masses do, and there are those who work to educate the masses about these predictions so these groups of people that know can become larger to make the appropriate changes such as studying the spiritual teaching, so one can have a proper upright footing during the future changes with something substantial to hold-fast onto. I think our future UFO's have an interest in the current foundations of BEAM's mission and foundation of the new spiritual teaching people, and also some political events of the current day that may shape tomorrow's changes. Societal life will not stay the same forever, countries will change and countries will rise, and countries will fall for example, and these ups and downs could completely alter the societal landscape of this world forever, and these societal changes could become some of the foundations to the future world of the Earth that our future UFO's call home.

Today will shape the future, and tomorrow will further shape the future, and so on down the line, which is why I think there is an avid interest in today's time, and why I think this interest might then also increase to the next hundreds of years of future development, as time and achievements move closer to the time of the future UFO's there may be increased study of the next few centuries by future ones from further down the line. There are those who will accept positive change in consciousness in the future, and a planetary society that is open to the concept of positive change, is a society with a future to look forward to.~

In the decades beyond 2020-2030 when the effects from overpopulation start to shape our society through cause and effect depopulations as learning experiences, I think there will be discreet studies of all the damage, and if mankind learns anything out of it all, I think this too will be studied by future eyes..

Corey
Member

Post Number: 322
Registered: 10-2016

Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2017 - 08:00 pm:

I think one of the more interesting things for the time-traveller would be the study of one personality to the next personality, and you could study both people at different points in their evolution. I mean, it's the same spirit-form, but a new (built-up) personality and built-up (programmed) consciousness-block. Would there be great differences and great similarities? Perhaps the greatest thing about being a time-traveler is one would develop the deference for the natural laws of the Creation at work in the coarse-material world. One could jump anywhere in the galaxy, and jump anywhere in time, and one should use this for the benefit of your society answering mysteries of the history of your people, and mysteries of the natural creational laws and recommendations at work in the material-plane.

Carolyn
Member

Post Number: 39
Registered: 05-2017

Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2017 - 07:52 am:

Hi Corey,

The real problem I can see with time travel is that we would be over-lapping with ourselves and possibly getting in the way of our own lives in the past or in the future. I think that this is why the Plejaren will only "look" at a future or a past time, rather than actually going to a different time and trying to live in it! I don't know how I would react to running into myself! Funny as it seems, I like to think that I'm an individual and not a multiple personality that incarnates everywhere all the time, so to speak.

Visiting a future or a past time is indeed an interesting idea, if it could be done in such a way that it doesn't interfere with that time. I think that lessons can be drawn from what happened on Malona. . . . If we could really go back in time, we could perhaps change the future of that planet. If we did that, the entire present as we know it would not exist! This is an example of how interference in the activities of beings in time could alter the present and the future significantly. Why, so many things that happened in the past could be altered, that we could do away with ourselves altogether! So time travel is not necessarily a great idea!

There are billions of imponderable "what if's" that could be explored. . . . if we attempted to change any event in time. So wise people just "go with the flow" and don't meddle too much in the passage of time. Time orders events, and indeed time orders all actions, whether of creation or destruction in our physical universe. That is why it is so dangerous to travel in time and meddle with events.

Perhaps we have been manipulated by such time travelers on the earth; this manipulation is most likely not of a positive nature. . . . Would that every time traveler were a benevolent being!

A time for every purpose under heaven

Eddieamartin
Member

Post Number: 816
Registered: 08-2010

Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2017 - 08:51 am:

Great post Corey,

At some point the term "time-travel" will need to be corrected.

There is no such thing as time travel, but rather dimension travel.

People need to realize and understand that traveling to the past is actually traveling to a dimension that replicates the past ...therefore nothing can be "changed" in order to alter the present.

Salome,
Eddie

In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)

Kenneth
Member

Post Number: 755
Registered: 04-2013

Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2017 - 10:05 am:

Carolyn,

Understand where you are coming from. Keep in mind that what we Earthlings know about time travel and altering the past was planted in our thoughts by Earthlings for the most part, aka Hollywood etc. For example; you said. “If we did that, the entire present as we know it would not exist! This is an example of how interference in the activities of beings in time could alter the present and the future significantly.”

According to Billy, events in the past cannot be changed. In other words, if someone went into the past and killed your Great Grandfather that does not mean that you will vanish from existence; this is Hollywood imagination.

Conversely, future events can be effected by influencing the past with events that have not taken place yet. A good example would be when Asket took Billy and Jitschi time-travel back in time to 13th century France during the reign of Saint Ludwig and encountered rabbi Jechieli of that period. He was given a flashlight (electric pocket lamp with batteries) and an electric fence energizer by Jitschi, which was incomprehensible to Jechieli. Nonetheless, there appears to be historical evidence regarding this incident today. It's difficult to wrap our minds around this, at least it is for me.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Asket%27s_Explanations_-_Part_3

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“From the FIGU Forum:
What happens when two persons with the same spirit form get together in a time trip, like Billy and Jmmanuel? Billy can tell his first hand experience, I hope.

Mario

ANSWER: It is not the "same" spirit form, even if it is of the same lineage. One spirit form is less developed/evolved than the other, and there are two entirely different personalities present.

The same is true even when a person visits oneself in the actual life (through time travel).

The best way to make this understandable is when a person of, say, 50 years looks at an old photograph when he or she was 10 years old. The child was a different personality than at the age of 50! You will be aware of this if/when you look at a photograph!”

Kenneth

Corey
Member

Post Number: 323
Registered: 10-2016

Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2017 - 04:13 pm:

Hi Carolyn,

You bring up several good points, and from what I understand when a time-traveler visits the past, one can stay as long as one wishes, and study what you want, but one cannot change anything in the past.~

Tat_tvam_asi
Member

Post Number: 675
Registered: 04-2011

Posted on Monday, September 25, 2017 - 06:11 am:

Possible ET Intervention Should The HP Come True

According to the Henoch Prophecies (HP) – should the worldwide apocalyptic events eventuate - the w. industrialized countries would be responsible for the extreme and enormous disaster of the coming times.

If these events would eventuate then then the foreign ETs in our skies may give up their anonymity / state of secrecy and assist those who are being terrorized by the irresponsibly acting countries. (CR 215:215 and 215:216)

It may well be that these foreign ETs are the same ones that are now in our skies and - as mentioned above - it may well be that they are the Roswell ones that Quetzal mentions earlier in the same CR (CR 215:100/101) – details see: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/15552.html#POST80010

Salome,

Bill

Scott
Moderator

Post Number: 2743
Registered: 12-1999

Posted on Monday, September 25, 2017 - 07:10 pm:

Bill are you saying the Foreign ET's in our skies now are from our future?

Tat_tvam_asi
Member

Post Number: 676
Registered: 04-2011

Posted on Monday, September 25, 2017 - 09:32 pm:

Hi Scott,

No …

The ETs in our skies belong to 2 main groups:

(A) The first main group ARE PEOPLE FROM OUR PLANET
Billy/Ps call them “Erdzukünftige” (Earthlings from the future)

It has 2 sub groups.
The first sub group are descendants of people from our now time.
They live in a future time and return to our time to because they want to find out how the conflicts were unfolding in our time.

The second subgroup most likely are *) members of the blue race who live in Agartha.
Billy/P. call them as well “Erdzukünftige” (Earthlings from the future) because their flying machines are of the same technique that our spaceships will have in the future:
Ptaah mentions that our scientists are starting to work on this technique already now but that it is very much in the start-up phase..

(B) The 2nd main group ARE ALIENS

They split our planet in 3 subdivisions (N/S-America Europe/Africa Asia/Australia/Oceania)-

IMO:
They are watching Earth because they want to preserve it = us Earthlings not to destroy our planet so badly that it leads to a further destruction in other parts of our galaxy.

According to my research *) they should be the same androids that crashed in Roswell, i.e. androids from the technically very highly developed Zeti Reticuli star system.

According to Ptaah - although their development is not based on the Spirit Teaching it has reached a very high technical standard and theirs is a very free and humane society
(e.g. it would take us millions of years to develop the same kind of androids that fly their space craft)

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION:

It is these “foreign” (= alien) ETs that – according to the Henoch Prophecies - might give up their anonymity and intervene / come to the rescue of those terrorized by irresponsible countries.

I came to these conclusions solely on the basis of the CRs.

Salome,

Bill

*)
Ptaah is not allowed to mention details.
My conclusions were:

---the “Erdzukünftige” Ptaah is not allowed to mention are the Agartha (Blue Race) - see http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/2119.html#POST82334

--- the alien ETs Ptaah cannot speak about are from the same race as the Zeti Reticuli androids fr Roswell - see http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/15552.html#POST80010

Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1332
Registered: 07-2009

Posted on Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - 09:15 am:

> I donâ€™t think that Ptaah is referring to any androids but rather an actual race of presumably human beings. But perhaps we will get clarification.

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