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Arnoud
Member
Post Number: 16
Registered: 06-2016
| | Posted on Thursday, October 24, 2019 - 06:02 am: | 
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Okay, I understand. Thanks Scott!
Best,
Arnoud |
Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 584
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 02:18 pm: |
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I'm not sure were to place this post, but I wanted to make a plea:
First of all, I want to personally apologize to all women who have made an attempt to participate on this forum. It is time, we all start to welcome women back to this forum as needed participates to enter into this new year and bring a fresh new prospective about the many serious issues facing our planet. Women (we) have allowed ourselves to be shut out in one fashion or another due to cultural upbringing, environment, customs, rituals, religious delusions, bullying, etc. and it's time we bring ourselves forward and speak on these important matters,without fear or retribution. Women voices are important and necessary in order to repair the damage caused to this planet. This forum cannot make an impact without active, women participates.(also those of various gender identities)
In the past, I've read some disturbing posts(not necessarily towards women) from some of our male members, and I failed to speak up or take responsibility. This will no longer be tolerated because I'll take this matter to Christian and Core 49 if necessary.
I do want to personally thank several male members for your efforts and assistance on the forum and your efforts to disseminate this material and help others, including those whom I disagreed with in the past and now such as:
Eddie Martin, Kenneth Smith, Hugo, Corey, Scott B, Peter(IloveBilly), Votan, Mat(Bronzedesk), Jedi, Seth, Joseph_Emmanuel, CPL, Tyler, Redbeard, BillWilson, Andrew, Savio, Bill and countless, countless others whom geniunely care about bringing everyone together and not dividing each other based on our differences of expression, education, income, country, languages. I also welcome all new members and I send you peace and love
MsMichelle
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Hugo
Member
Post Number: 769
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 09:47 pm: |
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Thanks Msmichelle!
This forum has many female members but most seem to stay in the back ground and not participate as much as the male members. (I don't know if it's because they feel males dominate and degrade them here?) Hopefully this will change. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2972
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 10:02 pm: |
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Hugo,
Sometimes it is hard to tell male from female members, because many times people use pseudo user names for various reasons. From my own observations, I have seen female members are actually treated with greater respect in many cases vs males....granted most members are mostly male from what I can tell, but unless someone whether male or female causes an issue there doesn't really appear to be a problem in my opinion. |
Hugo
Member
Post Number: 770
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 11:00 pm: |
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Scott, I understand but I was also going by the real names people sign off in end of their posts. Most people with pseudo names do that. There are many females here but most don't regularly post as often as the males do. Any idea why that is? |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 894
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 11:53 pm: |
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I think all voices deserve to be heard, male and female.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2121
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 - 02:36 am: |
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*******Msmichelle everyone whether male or female is free to decide for themselves out of their own volition in whether to participate on this forum without burden or undue duress placed by anybody on anyone and so far I haven't seen anyone curtailing the right of freedom to express whatever it is that is on anyone's mind by anyone.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion just as every other person is also but that doesn't mean that there won't be any differences of opinion.
*******Now as I see it you have gone too far with this as I have given you every chance with patience and understanding for you to see your errors hoping that you had some integrity to mend your ways and to acknowledge your mistakes.
*******The hypocricy that you have shown here of late is something that I need to point out about your actions because now you are essentially offending against the group here and brought this forum under disrepute with your false accusations that started all this which has brought not only unpeace but your cheap plea to gather support of other members here through hollow and empty praises for a cause disguised as being altruistic when in fact it was all about your petty ego and face saving measure is something I cannot tolerate one bit as it is unbefitting of a student of the spiritual teaching to act like this.
This conniving theatrics has got to stop now and I am calling you out about this.
*******You've had 9 bloody years or more worth of spiritual teaching studies to figure it out yet here you are reacting like a childish brat to my post 2109-
(Hugo as far as I can recall Ptaah mentioned that certain vanity do exist in the Plejaren women namely when Semjase dyed her hair and applied light lip gloss or something similar I think.
It is also mentioned somewhere that earth women were whores or something to that effect.
The context behind this was to do with earth women applying makeup.)
******To which you reacted by saying in your post 577-
(Accordingly, what I remember, Semjase did not dye her hair, the hair color change with due to her space equipment or uniform.
Matt, personally, your words strike a tone of respectfulness towards women by calling them "whores". I know BEAM has used "whoring" which is a difference. Not to mention, your words strike a hatefulness towards women in general.)
*******Nowhere in my post did I personally, implied or otherwise, called women a 'whore' instead I was referring to a passage from the book OM that included this word 'whore' that at the time of my post I didn't quite remember the source of yet you continued with your false accusation by saying in your post 578-
(Matt, you are disrespectful in general when you post about women. I do not have to look anywhere but at you and your writings(post). Not sure where you're from, but just because some women do "whoring activities" just as some men do "horrific activities towards women" does not justify calling all women on earth as "whores". I respect men as well as women, and you'll never see post from me calling all men as "degenerate" however, the behaviors of some men are beyond words.)
*******What gives Michelle?
So according to your sense of justice who is in the wrong here but you still have the gall to continue by stating in your post 581 in reaction to my long winded post 2114-
(First of all, you're rambling post makes no sense to me. If you're attempting to draw comparisons, you have no idea about my life, culture, upbringing, etc.
What you do, is talk in circles and you make absolutely no sense at all. You rarely come to a resolution, conclusion, or fruition with your post.
If you want to know, I grew up in a loving, household environment, with a strong mother who took care of our large family and a father who worked day and night to provide and protect his family.
Yet in the neighborhood of my childhood, I grew up with drug activity, criminals, discord, shooting, etc. I experienced sexual assaults and taunting remarks from degenerate males, yet at the same time, I'm completely capable of handling all walks of life, such as people like yourself, with either force (use of a weapon) or with my voice (via writing, poems, and eventual speaking events). My might is definitely one on one conversations. Therefore, I developed myself (via my own will and strength) in spite of my environment. I encourage others to think and break free from what I've experienced from my environment and certain environments of so-called intellectuals. Meaning, those like yourself whom consider themselves somewhat superior than others, due to their gender, race, or education.
Due to this overpopulation crisis, I'm sure males like yourself, consider yourself superior or better and deserve to be "saved" verses those on underdeveloped countries mostly people of color. Your disparaging remarks about women have been ignored until now, because I will no longer tolerate it.)
Now as I see it and I'll repeat what I said to you in my post 2111-
( Msmichelle I will preemptively say that you don't need to apologise as misunderstanding can and alway do happen between people especially in cyberspace.
Just check out OM pg 45 and you will get the idea and just incase you are baffled by my response here I suggest you reread my post 2109.)
*******Misunderstanding and disagreements can and does happen between two people but I will point to our moderator Scott's question and Billy's answer which is relevant to this discussion.
(Scott
Moderator
Username: Scott
Post Number: 1180
Registered: 12-1999
Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2007 - 03:05 pm:
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Dear Billy,
In relationships with people, arguments or disagreements do tend to occur. It seems there is a trend developing that even when a person raises their voice to another it can be considered a form of violence or abuse. Sometimes these disagreements can lead to physical altercations between people. It seems in today’s society almost anything can be considered abuse when you either verbally or physically show aggression towards another person whether in self defense or not. Even though you may be the victim, you can be considered guilty if you defend yourself under certain circumstances. Do you consider it the right of each person to defend oneself within reason and people should be allowed to solve their own differences, or is society right in enforcing and dictating the behavior of people and to determine what is acceptable and what isn’t?
Thank you so much
Salome
Scott
People should solve their own differences themselves. There is indeed a (false) trend to make each problem a societal problem.
Due to the ever increasing overpopulation the intolerance is growing, too, because the more people, the less stable relationships are growing.)
*******And Billy's statement that .......
("If a guilty party must be given a justified reprimand, then it should be done in private and those not involved should be excluded. Nevertheless, it is, however, necessary to rebuke openly and in the presence of others if the others are effected, if, for example, communally determined rules are injured or degenerations which endanger the group succeed which require an open settling of scores in the group." - Billy, March 2007)
******So Msmichelle can you acknowledge the truth and have the courage to see it or will you still keep playing the Damsel in distress fighting the figment of your imagination and in the process dirtying the very noble ideas of what a student of the spiritual teaching ought to represent.
The choice is yours.
Matt lee} |
Marbar
Member
Post Number: 315
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 - 04:27 pm: |
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The dispute, argument, or debate between MsMichelle and Newinitiation is one of the reasons I think the male and female issues section is for FiGU passive members only.
I hope I'm not adding fuel to the fire when I say this. Everyone is responsible for how they want themselves to be seen or/and perceive by others. |
Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 588
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 25, 2019 - 12:40 am: |
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Marie, Not sure I understand, "one of the reasons, I think the male and female issues is for FIGU passive members only"?
I became a passive member some time ago, however, due to my busy lifestyle, I decided to concentrate my efforts on the translated books and build my understanding of the German Language.
I also appreciate you for joining into the discussions. Due to your young age, I think you can provide an interesting nuance to these discussions.
MsMichelle
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Bronzedesk
Member
Post Number: 228
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 25, 2019 - 10:31 am: |
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I think that we are all nuts. Crying moaning and groaning over spilt milk and mis-said and mis-understood words!
The idea of crying to billy says volumes of not all together and should even though it felt right not have had happen.
If I were Billy I would say Take care of it Yourselves! Not just based on seniority but in the beginning to realize that this is the way it really is in the world today!
I see us wanting to go back into our comfortable little shells talking of 2029 and talking about how we are to live ourlives today!
We do not live in the past nor do we live in the tomorrow only the now. And we can discern today to choose not what we did yesterday or to do what we do now with what we know! We do not need a bunch of drunk-a-logs to make a point.
I truthfully want this Group to work. And intimidation is not the answer. And sometimes just sometimes life will make you bend over backwords rather you like it or not.
No where in the books does it say you have to like it. It simply means that you must be a flexible flier in order to win over Mammon!
bronzedesk
Mat
And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time.
~ T. S. Eliot
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Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 1428
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 25, 2019 - 03:13 pm: |
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The Past Predicts the Future
https://theyflyblog.com/?p=8538
It’s almost as if you can already see the way the movie plays out |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 2122
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 25, 2019 - 08:13 pm: |
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Mat thanks for your views
As far as the recent discussion between Msmichelle and I were concerned it was one those conversations that we had to have and it had to play out the way it did for a reason.
You can almost liken it to the Australian bushfires we are having at the moment where during the fires its chaotic, ugly, raging, inflamming, hot, tumultuous and unrelenting but when the flames subsides it exposes so many things that were hidden under the shrubs and it gives chance for renewal, change, new growth, opportunity and a chance for the next stages of development.
Ultimately such conversations are necessary path of the evolutionary process and shouldn't be frowned upon, as ugly as it may appear on the surface, because when you look at it bluntly we shouldn't give false pretenses that we are anything more or less than an earth human being with all our inherent flaws, weaknesses, faults, imbalances, imperfections, vulnerabilities, doubts, insecurities and everything in between.
As far as I am concerned through such exchanges its a good opportunity to learn about myself as well as that of others so no need for useless sentiments like grievances, outrage or resentment are necessary by any parties.
Ultimately when it comes down to it I do thank Msmichelle for the exchange.
At the end of the day we are all a student of the teachings here so that is in itself a tremendous accomplishment so better that we are in the process of working it out than nothing at all.
In the end whatever the conversation or the nature of the exchange the ultimate arbiter and the authority will be the truth whereupon everything will be judged accordingly based on its logic.
As we have voluntarily entered into a contract of sorts with the understanding that this whole journey into the spiritual learning path is a lifelong work-in-progress, there is no stipulation that we have to always get it right or that we won't make any mistakes along the way as they are all a necessary tools for us to learn.
So frankly as I see it what is there to make a big deal out of?
Matt lee |
Aristea
Member
Post Number: 26
Registered: 06-2019
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2019 - 05:33 pm: |
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Years ago I left this forum because of bullying, but not by the males. That is why I will not reveal my true identity so as to avoid the same personal bullying that came up in the past. Seems if people know who I am, I am subject to a certain amount of personal attacks. I hope Ms Michelle is sincere about her wish to avoid conflicts in the forum and on Michael Horn's blog. And please, those of you who might know my identity, don't point it out to the others. It kind of ruins my attempt to regain some credibility within the forum. Enough that FIGU office personnel know who I am. . . . Best wishes for 2020!
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Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 589
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2019 - 05:39 pm: |
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Post #2122 exactly
MsMichelle
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Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 592
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2019 - 10:44 pm: |
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Aristea, *I know who you are* ...but I've not posted on MH Blog to my knowledge? I thought about posting on MH blog some time ago, but decided to stick with the forum. As Matt Lee says in his post #2122, disputes, arguments, disagreements, hostility, etc will occur. I experience those interactions all day long on my present job with males and females on the streets and coworkers. It comes with the territory, however, I do prefer to speak with people in person face to face, because it eliminates most misunderstandings. Yet, I do have a strong personality and I am harsh, blunt, straight to the point as well, but as a female, it's considered something completely different if done by a male. This is fact, not an attempt to be anything other than the truth.
MsMichelle
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Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 2123
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, December 27, 2019 - 10:42 pm: |
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Die Wahrheit ist stets die Richtschnur in allen Dingen. Harte Worte sind stets die Richtschnur der Wahrheit. Wahrheit und Gerechtigkeit klingen hart und unbeugsam. Wahrheit ist so hart wie Felsgestein. Selbst Schwache werden von der L�ge nicht bezwungen, wenn sie um die Wahrheit wissen. OM 53:489-503
(The truth is always the guideline in all things. Hard words are always the guideline to the truth. Truth and justice sound hard and inflexible. Truth is as hard as rock. Even the weak will not be defeated by the lie if they know the truth.)
Aristea can you identify the person that bullied you on this forum with the content of the post that they have written so that we can judge in correctness as I feel that those who least understand the teachings, from my direct experiences of having participated in so many different forums out there, the worse the offense they take as you get the typical egoistic responses.
Truth is harsh and truth is brutal to the ego and those that speak it may appear to come across as a bully by those that least understand the basis and the foundations behind the words that they speak.
Can you provide us with the evidence and proof?
Matt lee |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 898
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2019 - 10:04 am: |
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Actually you did post on MH’s site Michelle. You told me my country had its own problems and pointed out the missing and/or murdered Canadian First Nations women. Don’t you remember?
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 1429
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2019 - 04:28 pm: |
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Does Michael Shermer Have the Courage of His Convictions?
https://theyflyblog.com/?p=8555
Or is he content to hide behind derision and pseudoscientific skepticism? |
Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 594
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2019 - 10:28 pm: |
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No, never posted on MH Blog. I think I would remember where I've post? unless I have some unknown memory loss?  , possibly another person name Michelle? For the record, I did considered posting awhile ago, but decided the forum was best for me. I've used MsMichelle on this site since 2010
MsMichelle
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Aristea
Member
Post Number: 27
Registered: 06-2019
| | Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2019 - 04:33 am: |
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Matt, in order to prove anything I would have to identify my past posts, so "no" I cannot offer any proof. Bullying is subjective....it's a bit like the teacher who always singles you out for special attention in class....it just makes you feel uncomfortable over a period of time!
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1075
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2019 - 06:38 am: |
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During this end of year festive season it was important for me to continue the tradition of a family get together to celebrate love, unity and family unit to name a few.
To be clear, I am the only one in this time of year family gathering that understands the True Teaching. The majority of my family, including my daughter and son-in-law are very religious to one degree or another. Most if not all of my family knows that I’m not religious, for that reason I did not go to church with them, nonetheless the invite was still given; from their point of view, to be polite. My wife chose to stay with me and not go to church with the others.
My spouse does not truly understand the Teaching or why it is associated to extraterrestrials. In fact, the information that we on the FIGU forum understand about religion verses Relegeon and the ET’s frightens her; nevertheless, she is very slowly coming around; the next incarnation?
Note:
Relegeon: (Lat.) = the joining together again, the joining together again into the rightness.
Religion: (Lat.) = the back-connecting or backward-connecting.
"Relegeon is the factor leading back toward the Creative Truth, toward the Ur-Truth of all Creative growth."
In is my understanding that religion implies a reverse-bond to a god, respectively a creator, within the constraints of religions, to whom men and women must subordinate themselves.
When we (family) all came together again over the afternoon meal, two individuals chose to give a traditional religious prayer. Couldn’t resist giving a Creational prayer from the fifth spirit-teaching-prayer by Nokodemion, with an extension:
“My consciousness, you, which are in me as the power of Creation, shall lead me all-knowing, all-capably, all-wisely, all-truthly and all-lovingly in all my things… I live according to your laws and according to your recommendations. SO BE IT, Amen.”
Interestingly, my son-in-law said loud enough for all to hear, “And all mighty God created creation.” What’s even more interesting, his wife (my daughter) said to her husband; you NEVER modify someone’s prayer! Nothing more was said about that event.
My point is that if we work with misled folks, seeds of Truth will be picked up here and there; it is not easy and can be very challenging at times.
Salome
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Redbeard
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Post Number: 319
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2019 - 10:16 am: |
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I can totally and completely relate to the family dynamic Kenneth, my wife is very religious also and it makes for some awkward situations and discussions that because I went to church for years with her and before I knew her, it has been quite a difficult thing for her to deal with the changes in me..
I also know from my religion exposure, I know that she is incapable of having an open minded discussion. I have 4 sons that were raised in the church and even christian school. None of them are really following the dogma completely and my youngest is totally informed about the realities of life and truth or in most cases the lack of it... We have regular discussions about everything. The oldest boy and I can talk about things also, just not as deep...
Religion really does create divisions and divisiveness to an insufferable degree.
I started to watch a new movie version of the christmas carol and it's taking some liberties, but Scrooge said people were so phony
in that they can only be nice to each other one day a year and why not reverse it and be nice all the other days and nasty on christmas day.....
Peace... Matt B.... |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 901
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2019 - 02:06 pm: |
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You don’t sound very sure Michelle. So that’s your answer, missing memory? Other than DellaFave you’re the only Michelle. Weird how your original posts on this site mirror the ones posted on MH’s site (I’ve been around as long as you have). How is it possible that two different Michelle’s are posting the same thing? Truth always starts with honesty. Don’t let your ego overrule honesty just to save face.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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