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Felinity
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Post Number: 65
Registered: 09-2019
| | Posted on Monday, April 06, 2020 - 03:50 pm: | 
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Dear Tat_tvam_asi,
Your detailed explanation is better than I expected! I appreciate your time, including a historical and linguistics lesson.
One more question: the word "degenerate," does that equal "devolving," as in the opposite of evolving?
Thank You Kindly,
Belinda |
Tat_tvam_asi
Member
Post Number: 1267
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 07:21 am: |
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Hi Belinda,
Is being degenerate the opposite of evolving?
The word "degeneration" is derived from the Latin “de” (here: "off/away from") and “generis” ("birth/descent").
So to be "degenerate" would mean “to be unlike the race or kind we descended from” -
So, yes – in one way of looking at it, we could call it "devolving" because we descend to a level that is not in line with the development of our species or kind.
But is it truly - “devolving”?
I question this because in a more long-term view - seeing the chain of all the happenings in our many existences - we may find that even our greatest degenerations in life, they were ultimately balanced by compassionately assisting other human beings, i.e. by helping them to overcome a similar degeneration that they had. We did not reject these people, were able to help and guide them - because we “knew” …
And so we were able to save “them” from destruction – so we, indeed, did to our own being…
Because what we call "universe" *) – it is a universe of compassion and balance - and a place of learning that whoever we meet – is but a part of ourselves.
Salome, Bill
*) uni versus = "turned into one" |
Jokubas_stalmokas
Member
Post Number: 78
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 21, 2020 - 01:06 am: |
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Hello,
I would like to share one interesting case. I have been watching David Adair videos over some time now and I Dont know what to think of him. He has claimed things that sounded outlandish but quite realistic the way he explained them. Would be interesting to hear your thoughts about it if you have time to watch some of his videos. |
Norms
Member
Post Number: 9
Registered: 12-2019
| | Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2020 - 10:27 pm: |
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FLCA Newsletter 26 page 7 states the following:
BEAM advice for all figu groups of 24 march 2020 concerning the corona crisis / dealing with finances: Translation: Michael Uyttebroek / March 25, 2020
"Don't worry about the media coverage of financial issues."
"Continue within the same normal framework and do not spend your money hastily, but save it and invest it where you have done it before." In general:
"Now it's simply a matter of keeping a cool head and not let- ting a potential currency devaluation and any news about it blow up in your face." "For sooner or later, this crisis will pass and then we will see more."
"At present, all we can do is to ensure that we all take the proposed precautions to protect our own health and the health of those at risk due to age and pre-existing condi- tions, everything else will turn out in time". (Information provided with the kind permission of Billy on 25 March 2020)
Question: what investment forms is BEAM referring to in:
"do not spend your money hastily, but save it and invest it where you have done it before." |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1194
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2020 - 07:56 am: |
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Salome Norms,
To me, BEAM is speaking in a consciousness-based wise. That is simply a creational recommendation, we know it as "moderation in all things".
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Tat_tvam_asi
Member
Post Number: 1371
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2020 - 11:37 am: |
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Deterring newcomers...?
Just noticed that after installing the latest Microsoft Edge update - when I open our Forum website - a red triangle with an exclamation mark inside and the red ink "Not secure" warning appears left to the hyperlink. |
Kenneth
Member
Post Number: 1145
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2020 - 01:23 am: |
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Bill,
Interesting that you bring that up as I noticed the "Not Secure" red triangle icon as well. I use Microsoft Windows but do not use the Microsoft Edge browser. I use protonmail.com, The FIGU website has always been secure. This is a new change with the last Microsoft update.Very concerning. Contacting Protonmail tech support, will let you all know if anything can be done?
Kenneth |
Jokubas_stalmokas
Member
Post Number: 82
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2020 - 02:00 am: |
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The sign shows that ssl certificate is not installed on website which is electronical security approval redirecting from http to https. Then secure sign would show up. |
Patm
Member
Post Number: 795
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2020 - 06:27 am: |
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Actually if you notice when you go to:
http://beam.figu.org you are taken to the website without going through the ssl certificate (unsecured access).
HOWEVER if you go to the https://beam.figu.org you are taken to the website using the ssl certificate for beam.figu.org. There is no automatic redirect implemented to force the https (secure connection) so right now it must be done manually.
The problem with the forum (forum.figu.org) is that it has also been setup with the certificate (misconfiguration) for beam.figu.org instead of with a certificate for forum.figu.org so there is a mismatch failure when trying access https://forum.figu.org.
I have forwarded this informtion to FIGU Switzerland. |
Patm
Member
Post Number: 796
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 29, 2020 - 08:19 am: |
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FIGU Switzerland is in the process of transitioning their website and all sub-websites to secure (SSL) encrypted pages. During the transition there may be some webpages that require fine-tuning (configuration) as well as additional SSL certificates installed.
Please be patient. |
Darcy_carlile
Member
Post Number: 30
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - 02:28 pm: |
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I am referring to FIGU Time Mark 145. Why not use your face mask to post the right peace symbol on it. Make a fleece covering for a FFP3 face mask and the correct peace symbol and FIGU.org embroidered on it. Sell them through FIGU and use the proceeds to support the mission. |
Lemontree
Member
Post Number: 93
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 08:46 am: |
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Hi,
Is this photo (the left one) officially of Billy?
I always thought that the image is real, but I'm now confused. Because this is truly a huge coincidence that the Plejaren space suits are very similar to the movie of that time.
Thanks |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 3140
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 10:57 am: |
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Lemontree,
Its hard to know where the image on the left came from? I have an enhanced version of it and it does show "not for sale" in the lower left part of the pix. I don't recall seeing it in the Contact Blocks. I believe the image you posted came from the Randolph Winters video in which he interviewed Wendelle Stevens. |
Pup_stump
Member
Post Number: 6
Registered: 07-2020
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 01:44 pm: |
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HI Lemontree and Scott,
I too have studied this particular picture that comes from the Billy Meier collection, as confirmed by Stevens and Winters. This is part of the controversial "Dinosaur pictures" collection that many folks see as a roadblock to the case.
From my observation, Meier's picture matches up with the "Mouse on the Moon" still. Certainly Meier claims that this group of pictures, which includes the famous Asket and Nera (Dean Martin show), were tampered with to confuse the public and harm the case.
So for me, this does throw a monkey wrench into the whole affair, giving the case baggage to overcome. So I can understand why some folks throw out the case, even before they get started. But for me, the value in the case is with the written material, the spiritual teaching. This confirms it for me. I am not taking Meier's word for it necessarily; but I try to prove to myself these ideas using simple reason and logic, and using nature as a template. The pictures alone cannot prove the Meier case one way or the other, in my opinion. I don't think the pictures are models, but could easily be craft of a secret terrestrial origin. But again, the written material circumvents this theory of mine due to the sheer volume and complexity of the ideas discussed. To me there is an 85% probability that this info is not the product of some secret terrestrial think tank, but rather real ETs far in advance of earthling scientists and great thinkers...
The entire case has to be assessed, and ignoring one part will not give you the full picture. I do not see this case as obvious, but rather a puzzle for folks to solve. Happy solving...
Best regards,
AA |
Hugo
Member
Post Number: 893
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 07:21 pm: |
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Lemontree,
The photos are identical except for one being deliberately blurred out and made black and white. That photo was likely one of several planted "hoax" photos by the CIA to discredit the Meier case. Wendelle Stevens admitted he had to briefly hand over all the Meier photos he had on him to a CIA person each time after seeing Meier. |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 33
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2020 - 09:56 pm: |
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Mouse on the Moon was a very campy British comedy that was a sequel to the successful The Mouse That Roared, starring Peter Sellers and was an adaptation of a novel by the same name. The film actually had its American premiere at Cape Canaveral, where the attending cast members met American astronauts. Dell Publishing issued a comic book of the film. So it was extremely well known at the time and I once supposed that someone had just slipped the picture into Billy’s photo album as a practical joke. It is just not logical that Billy would try to pass off a still from a well-known movie as one of his. There are too many loose ends here; If that was Billy and Ptaah, then who took the picture? The movie is in English and not very likely to have played on local Swiss TV stations at that time. And if it did, he only had one chance to get the picture right since video tapes didn’t come out until 1977. There are no linear light ghosts that often appeared from pictures of television screens at that time and the perimeter is too perfectly framed not to show any portion of the television itself unless he cropped it in a dark room.
Regards
Bob |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 3141
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - 03:41 am: |
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Hugo, you may be right, but the photos are not identical even as you say if one was deliberately blurred, but then again..... |
Hugo
Member
Post Number: 897
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - 08:41 pm: |
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Scott, the frame from the movie reel would have to be stopped at the same point the photo was taken to exactly match them both up. Alternatively if they cannot be, then perhaps it was a discarded shot of the movie that the CIA got a hold of. Either way, it's clear that planted Meier photo originated from that movie. |
Lemontree
Member
Post Number: 93
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2020 - 09:24 am: |
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Hi,
I think if someone can ask Billy he should know if he took a photo of himself and his Plejaren friend in a spacesuit or not.
I know he took hundreds of photos but this is unique, he should remember I guess.
About this:
"There are no linear light ghosts that often appeared from pictures of television screens at that time and the perimeter is too perfectly framed not to show any portion of the television itself unless he cropped it in a dark room."
You're implying who did this must have some fancy and perhaps expensive equipment.
Anyways, thanks for clarifying! |
Markv
Member
Post Number: 52
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2020 - 07:05 pm: |
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I agree with Pup_stump's post regarding photos like this and "baggage".
After encountering contradictions, photo controversies, etc., I've been forced to re-evaluate the case many times now.
However, the totality of the evidence - particularly with regard to the writings and logic contained therein - always leads me back to the realization of the authenticity of the case and accompanying teaching.
I think that the last one that really messed with me was noticing the Betty & Barney Hill clarification/contradiction...
Also, Queztal and/or Ptaah have occasionally done things which struck me as strange or even childish... such as when they apparently borrowed Billy's revolver, made/left messes, etc.
I'd actually say that the Plejaren are a bit "nutty" themselves.  |
Cpl
Member
Post Number: 1304
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 12:50 am: |
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Lemontree, I think Billy did at some point don a suit with Ptaah or Quetzal on one of our planets, but the question would be "Who took the picture of Billy and Ptaah." Billy obviously didn't. There must have been a third person or android present.
Chris
Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 43
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 11:42 am: |
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Lemontree, a good number of the pictures in Billy's photo album were falsified. Please read this special FIGU Bulletin in its' entirety to get a full picture (no pun intended):
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Special_Bulletin_20
"It isn’t to be excluded, unfortunately, that certain jealous, malicious persons within the group around “Billy” Eduard Albert Meier - who administered the film, slide, negative, and photo material - deliberately brought the photos falsified by a foreign hand into circulation already before their destruction - with the malicious intention of letting “Billy” appear, against better knowledge, as a swindler and a fraud. It is no secret that BEAM was already slandered in his own circles in the year 1975, so already at the beginning of his contacts with Semjase, and was betrayed, namely by his ex-wife as well as by other evil-minded group members, to whom manipulations in the film, slide, negative, and photo material are to be attributed, as can be proven."
"Quite obviously, in the middle of the 1970s, it was part of the plan of a sleazy counterfeiter’s organization, the “Men in Black” and treacherous FIGU members (who ultimately withdrew from FIGU on their own accord, as a result of their useless destruction efforts) to assign the aforementioned picture,along with various other falsifications, to the collection of “Billy” Meier’s photos."
"In this form, also the photographer Schmid, whom “Billy” had incorporated with the permission of the Pleiadians/Plejaren, was forced by the "Men in Black" to produce falsifications of the photographs. On several occasions, pictures that Schmid had received from “Billy” were falsified from the ground up or replaced by forgeries, as this also happened with the Asket and Nera photos and with the aforementioned dinosaur photo."
"Even after development, his pictures weren’t safe from the access of violators during the early years because already at the beginning of the contacts, they were misused and passed on for falsification purposes by administering people such as H. S. and “Billy’s” ex-wife and consorts."
Ptaah: On your Great Journey in 1975 alone, you made more than 1,378 photos, while 1,568 beamship photographs existed. As you know, a larger part of your material of photos of our beamships was falsified by the photographer Schmid, under the pressure of a certain organization of “Men in Black” (MIB) and was foisted on you, as this likewise happened with your film and photo material from the Great Journey. (SNIP)...with the collaboration of your dear ex-wife, who, full of hatred, tried to make it impossible for you worldwide and to brand you as a swindler, liar, and fraud,..."
Of the more than 1,378 pictures from your Great Journey, only a few remain, namely 42, which really came from you, while the majority of the 1,336 pictures consisted of foisted photocopies of some drawings, etc., which Quetzal discovered very quickly at that time, which is why he destroyed all slides and photos. This made it impossible for you ever to sell or otherwise give out any slides, films or photos; consequently, none of these materials ever went out into the world from your side."
Regards
Bob |
Cpl
Member
Post Number: 1305
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 25, 2020 - 09:27 pm: |
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Thank you for your post 31 Phi_spiral. That use information to keep on file.
Chris
Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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