| Author | Message | ||
    Savio |
Hello With regarding to the three races mentioned in the TJ: According to Phil McAiney: whites were found in the area of Scandinavia browns in India red in North America (red indians?). According to Andrew: white race - a segment known as Semitic or aqua-nose type. dark race - a segment of Asian-indians red race - a segment of Arabs today. Which presentation is more accurate? Thanks Savio | ||
Michael Horn |
Here's more info to add to the mix (pun intended?) http://www.sightings.com/general10/gi.htm Michael | ||
blerim |
hello Savio you schould read the book of Robert D`Angely : L`Enigme les Pèlasges.1990 France do you know anything about Pelasges.(Borea)-Hyperborea- | ||
Savio |
Hi blerim Sorry for the late reply. No, I do not know about Hyperborea. Since I do not know French I think I am not able to read the book you mentioned. Thanks. By the way, can anyone give an answer to my posting on 15 May above? Regards Savio | ||
Andrew C. Cossette |
Hi Savio, Can you please e-mail me my post where I mention this? I do not recall using those words. I will clarify after I receive your e-mail. Regards, Andrew C. Cossette andrew@billymeier.com | ||
Savio |
Hi Andrew I am digging in my data files, will send the email when the message is retrieved. Thanks in advance  Savio | ||
Savio |
Hi Andrew & everyone I am sorry that I made a mistake in my posting on 15 May. It was not Andrew who posted the information, it was Anthony Hall. Andrew please accept my apology. Phil McAiney's information was posted on Oct. 01 2000 within this topic above. Anthony Hall's information was posted on January 26, 2001 within the General Area\FIGU related\The Talmud of Jmmanuel. Hence my revised question is as follows: With regarding to the three races mentioned in the TJ: According to Phil McAiney: whites were found in the area of Scandinavia browns in India red in North America (red indians?). According to Anthony Hall: white race - a segment known as Semitic or aqua-nose type. dark race - a segment of Asian-indians red race - a segment of Arabs today. Which presentation is more accurate? Regards Savio | ||
blerim |
hello savio if you want any answer of your questions part of it you can find in the book of robert d`angely. sorry you don`t know french. | ||
Anthony Hall |
Hi Savio, >I am sorry that I made a mistake in my posting on 15 May. > >It was not Andrew who posted the information, it was Anthony Hall. Andrew please >accept my apology. > >Phil McAiney's information was posted on Oct. 01 2000 within this topic above. >Anthony Hall's information was posted on January 26, 2001 within the General >Area\FIGU related\The Talmud of Jmmanuel. > >Hence my revised question is as follows: >With regarding to the three races mentioned in the TJ: >According to Phil McAiney: >whites were found in the area of Scandinavia >browns in India >red in North America (red indians?). Phil is correct. However, very simplified. > >According to Anthony Hall: >white race - a segment known as Semitic or aqua-nose type. White Race is a general term. The first sub-leader, SEMJASA procreated the Adamic type. Today’s descendants of the Hebrews. It must be clear that the Adamic race did not start the Arus Nordic race! It was the Arus Nordic race that started the Adamic race! Asasel, procreated the dark human race, or if you will a dark Semetic type. (In the Jewish book of Enoch, Asasel is called a demon.) Sartael, procreated the red human race, or if you will a red Semetic type. These types, breeds or races are called Semitic. They all have one thing is common, an aqua nose! The Roman noses were different. These Semetes of Ermon, some ancient place is Africa, maybe the Middle-east, branched out over time. On their own, or from faction or tribal war. Factions of the colored Semitic races eventually found their way into India, eventually mixing with the hordes Arus’ son, Arus II, brought in. Factions of the white Semitic race traveled into Europe, as far as Kiev. History calls the Kiev faction, Khazars. The Semites, then, were nomadic people. Factions of the Nordics later crossed the Pyrennes into the Americas (North and South) mixing with the little people there. So, a dark skinned Mexican, America Indian, etc, if settled among the Pyrennes travelers and procreate, is a descendant of the Nordic race. The Semitic types are the youngest races of the Earth. The Arus Nordic race is much older than them. Probably a good representation of a Nordic is some of the statures in Roman times. The group that formed the Roman empire came from hordes that were expelled from the Arus empire. A totally different group from the Semitic types. The original African, Nordic and Chinese/Japanese types have nothing to do with the Semitic creations of the Earth. Both the original African and Chinese/Japanese types are connected to Sirius, descendants of Lyrian ancestors. The original Nordics are connected to Pleiades, descendants of Lyrian ancestors. The Semites are connected to the original Nordics. Thus all the races on Earth have a common bond. Many of the hieroglyphs in Egypt represents Roman and Semitic contributions, and in now way accurately represent the type that started the Egyptian saga. It appears that the first type to enter SOL, came from Sirius. And maybe the reason why we will have to enter Sirius space again to close the circle. It’s a petty that we don’t realize the common bond yet. >dark race - a segment of Asian-indians >red race - a segment of Arabs today. > >Which presentation is more accurate? > >Regards >Savio Anthony | ||
Savio |
Hi Anthony Thanks for the detailed explanation! Can you please provide a bit more information regarding the red race that becomes a segment of Arabs today and the red indians in the north America as well? Regards Savio | ||
Anthony Hall |
Hi Savio, >Can you please provide a bit more information >regarding the red race that becomes a segment of >Arabs today and the red indians in the north America as well? The Arabs today represent a mixer of Africans, dark Semites and white Semites (and quite possibility Romans and Greeks in times of war who took the women of the conquered men). This would put the Arabs closest to the Nordic lineages. The Americas, both north and south, saw over time different factions of ET settlers. Long before Arus came on the scene, some 50,000 years ago when the Pleiades had their uprising (they might have had one of many), a large faction that was in conflict with the homeworld separated to start anew. One of their plasma ships in the fleet malfunctioned while near SOL space where it did an emergency landing between Canada and North America. These stranded Pleiadians mixed/procreated with a small commune of native Indians in the area, and the natives even retain some of their legends. Their ship was egg-shaped, resembling Sfath's craft. The plasma engine thrust openings were built into the sides of the ship. The native Indians were very bonded to the nature, and had achieved a high level of psychic awareness with their surroundings. They said that the Pleiadians had brought with them animals, and one was the oxen. The penetration of ETs continued. Some procreated with the native Indians producing tall offsprings with reddish hair. The same had happened with the stranded Pleiadians, where the offsprings looked a little different than the natives. The British conquest brought more Nordic influence into Asiatic India. The effects created a cast society, badly injuring the Dravidians, known in India as the "Untouchables", simply because they were of African ancestry. The royalty/noble propaganda has created schizophrenia around the world. Here’s Arus II history linked with the history of India: Some historians have proposed the theory of an Aryan invasion. According to the theory, highly patriarchal, aggressive and warlike nomadic Aryan tribe, "the noble ones," stormed into the Indus Valley region approximately 3,500 years ago. Although the darker inhabitants of the region were skillful in combat, the marching Aryans were also knowledgeable in warfare and rootless in battle. The conflict between the warring factions went on for centuries, resulting in an Aryans victory, who then declared power over the region and named it Aryavarta, "the Aryan Land." Indian scriptures, such as the Rig Veda, told of a mysterious race who called themselves Arya, and that they came from the north and conquered areas of today’s India in ancient times. These Aryans were recorded in the text as fair-skinned, and the asiatic Indians who they conquered were dark-skinned. But modern Indian scholars disagree with this theory of an Aryan army invading India, expelling the Dravidian inhabitants, a negridian-type race. They profess, however, that the Aryan types were northern hordes who had migrated peacefully over time into India where they found the Indus Valley cultures already in decline and took control of the region. Anthony | ||
Michael Horn |
Hi Anthony, Very interesting, what are your sources for the above info? Thanks, Michael | ||
Anthony Hall |
>The Americas, both north and south, saw over time different >factions of ET settlers. Long before Arus came on the scene, This is a non-Meier source. From a book I can not quickly locate. I know I have it. It has 'crash' in the title. >The penetration of ETs continued. Some procreated with >the native Indians producing tall offsprings with reddish hair. This came from an early Meier Contact 52. >The British conquest brought more Nordic influence into >Asiatic India. The effects created a caste society, badly You can probably find this on the Internet regarding the land conquest of the British empire and the ruling Brahmin caste of India. >Here’s Arus II history linked with the history of India: >Some historians have proposed the theory of an Aryan Black Spark White Fire by Richard Poe Anthony | ||
Anthony Hall |
Hi Savio, >The Americas, both north and south, saw over time different >factions of ET settlers. Long before Arus came on the scene, This is a non-Meier source. The name of the book is 'The Legend of Starcrash' by Dolores Cannon. The guy that published Dolores first series of books about Nostradamus was 'George Green' who had defraud Meier with the Talmud. Dolores Cannon and John Coleman (another author) had to leave his publishing company because things were not going well. Anthony | ||
Norm |
Anthony Hall, You need to state your sources at the begining of your posts, when you are not using Meiers info, because you will confuse people, some will think your posting Meiers info! | ||
Andrew C. Cossette |
Hi Norm, Yes, I highly agree. The mixing of information(s) can easily be misunderstood. I have seen this kind of 'melding' before. Sources should be a key ingredient in this forum; especially when they are not from the spiritual teachings. Well over 99.97% of all information written (historical and otherwise) is suspect. Regards, Andrew C. Cossette | ||
Anthony Hall |
Hi Norm, If there are parts of may text you have judgement with, quote. Hi Andrew, Not all the posts have this key ingredient. Anthony | ||
Michael Horn |
I find this article to be immensely fascinating and painting a picture that would seem to flow very nicely into what Billy and the Plejarans have said about the peoples in this region in Biblical times. I am putting the URL here because of the lenght of the article. Look especially at what is said about the Biblical God(s) and consorts. http://www.rense.com/general12/decon.htm | ||
Savio |
Hi Michael Very interesting article indeed! Could you tell us what Billy and the Plejarans have said about the peoples in this region in Biblical times? Regards Savio | ||
Michael Horn |
Hi Savio, I recall that the tone of the comments were that the Hebrews of the time were more like bands of wandering peoples, nomads and gypsies who were not in actuality a "race" as such and that, over time, they had taken on and promoted the idea of being a special race when in fact it wasn't true. I don't recall that there were many more details except that, as is also stated in the Talmud Jmmanuel, the world would not see peace until the present day Israelis made peace with their neighbors who are referred to as (I'll paraphrase here) "the descendants of the original inhabitants of the land." I believe, and I may be remembering incorrectly or have taken this from a translation that may have been invalid, that they went so far as to say that there would be no peace until the state of Israel no longer existed in this current form. Of course, the same might be said for many nations on Earth to some degree. I welcome clarification or correction of this if it's inaccurate as I no longer have the early Contact Notes from which I am drawing my recollection. Michael | ||
Savio |
Hi Michael Thanks for the response. I recall from contact No.249 that 19,463,000 people were murdered by Jews, Hebrews and others around 1500BC within 1000 years timeframe.... If the Israel had never been a great kingdom/ampire as mentioned in article you mentioned, it would be logical to deduce that it would not have the power/capability to commit such crime. Any comments? Regards Savio | ||
Michael Horn |
Hi Savio, A point well taken, although that's "only" just under 20,000 people per year. Still, this is in need of explanation as one can't have it both ways. We need to know how that figure is possible if this was really a small non-nation. Michael | ||
Michael Horn |
I did a search on Google.com for "origins of Israel" and came up with this site among others: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a398f23330d46.htm It appears to be politically conservative and not a hate site and is extremely informative about the origins of the conflict in the region. It also appears to confirm what Jmmanuel was saying in the TJ about the "rightful owners" of the land being the ancestors of the Palestinians and the unrelenting lack of peace that Israel will face unless and until this is rectified. I will post this in a few appropriate places that it may be seen by all. Michael | ||
GlobalEye |
I belong to a watchdog group that tracks the growth of both subtle and overt philosophies and ideas that are rooted in racism. Billy Meier and his entire scheme is nothing more than a subtle form of white world supremacy--racist to the core. First of all, the group on this planet that talks the *most* about "overpopulation" is none other than the Euro-Westerners (white people). The word "overpopulation" has long been understood to be a code word for "too many non-white people on earth." While white people talk about "overpopulation," strangely *they* continue to feed *their* women fertility drugs. Billy Meier's entire movement is a scheme designed to promote genocide. That is why he uses the word "sentimentality," clearly meaning that whites should not be "sentimental" about *getting rid* of non-white people in order to have a "safe" world. Then Mr. Bill Meier's racism can be seen in the TJ itself. He wants to elevate the TJ to the position of the scripture of white people. Right on the first page he talks about the "white race." Now, I have never seen *any* scripture on earth that speaks of "white" people. Then later in the TJ, we see Jesus supposedly giving an *exact* figure of population in the latter days. So what Mr. Meier is doing is clear: He's trying to lend religious sanction to his dream of genocide against non-whites. And he does this by creating [supposedly "found" somewhere in the Middle East, although we are told that Israelis bombed the *real* one, of which there are *no* remains. So why believe this? It's a lie, folks]; he does this be creating a "Jesus" who is interested in overpopulation. It is very interesting that the beings who have "contacted" Mr. Meier have blue eyes, blond hair, and pale skinn--the typical "perfect" Aryan model that Adolph Hitler tried to impose upon the world. Apparently Mr. Meier has not learned the lessons of history, and is seeking to create a new religion of racism and white supremacy. I find this extremely disgusting, and have informed others to beware of Mr. Meier and his movement. I urge those of you who now follow him to take a second look at what he is *planting.* He appears to be a *very committed and patient* individual. I see him as an extremely dangerous person. He will be watched. | ||
Marc Juliano |
Hello GlobalEye, I have to assume from your post that you haven't really looked into the FIGU material. Here's why: Many English pages of FIGU's literature (and many more in German) more than adequately explain their non-xenophobic views, so much so that it would fill up pages here just to index them. But for an off-hand reference, here's a link to a FIGU Web ariticle that barely touches upon this. The Talmud of Jmmanuel (TJ) speaks of Semjasa who begot Adam, the "father of the white human race" simply because it was a fact that Jmmanuel's lineage happens to trace back to this white-skinned person. It also happens to be a fact according to "OM" by Billy Meier that simultaneous to this act thousands of years ago, Asasel begot Ledon, the "father of the dark (skinned) human race" on Earth and similarly Sartael begot Tet-el, "father of the red (skinned) human race". So even on a basic level, your white supremacy point here just doesn't hold up. Also, it is not "very interesting" that the beings who contacted Mr. Meier had the "white" attributes you described, mainly because that's completely false. Billy Meier's contactors were of various color (yellow, brown, black, etc.). This has been documented from the get-go and is well-known to those who hardly even scratch the surface of this material. Anyone who knows Billy Meier personally also knows his acquaintences are of many colors and ethnic backgrounds. As moderator of the English FIGU Forum, I should probably mention this: Everyone of course is fully entitled to think whatever they want about the Billy Meier case, the FIGU group(s), etc. However, this Forum, overall, is specifically a place where those who have studied the Billy Meier material in some depth and have come to support its authenticity through their own honest research can productively talk about it without having to engage in lengthy or otherwise fruitless discussion. Needless to say, other forums exist where the basics of the "reality of the Billy Meier Case" can be discussed ad nauseum. Hopefully, you can understand. If you truly want to get accurate information on this case, might I suggest that you read more of the information that is already in English on FIGU's Web site, figu.org, as well as on billymeier.com. You can also e-mail anyone at FIGU or any of the study groups referenced in the Web sites if you have any questions on this or other topics. Thanks, Marc Juliano | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Hello GlobalEye, I am not a FIGU or Meier representative. The following are my own thoughts only. The situation, as you describe it, is most certainly disgusting to myself also... however as I understand the "Meier/Plejaran information", you clearly do not understand exactly what was meant by what you read or heard. There are "errors" in your interpretations... & your conclusions are therefor not correct. Since you are "watching" Meier anyway, you and your organization might be interested in trying to understand more about "his info". A concept for you all to contemplate: There are no "followers" of the Meier information, amongst those who understand this info. The "Meier information" is oriented towards allowing people to learn to think for themselves. This includes: NOT taking any statements from ANYBODY as "gospel" or "on faith"... including the "Meier information/communications" itself. Much has been said about this within "the information". Anything you have read or heard, was originally intended as "concepts/ideas" to contemplate & further "check out" only. One further point is: There is no "leader" within the "Meier/Plejaran" information or "movement"... only one very large "thought pool" of "in-depth information" passed to us by Meier's communications etc. Billy is simply a "messenger", although a very knowledgeable and capable one. It is sometimes very difficult to "bridge" conceptual differences in the way we think. It is likely that we may not all understand each other on at least some of the above points. I find, however, that your comments "make me think" and therefor have value to myself personally. I will find it most interesting to "keep in touch" with your organization also! In hope that this might help... JP | ||
Michael |
Hi GlobalEye, I'd like to ad that I am familiar with much of what Marc said above regarding the actual content of the Meier material. Some people also find racism in places where none is present and only facts have been presented, i.e. genealogies and such. I think you'll find that Meier's material also doesn't concern itself with political correctness and is plain spoken, direct and to the point. You may also notice that, consistent with the example of Meier speaking his truth, everyone else who posts here is also free to speak theirs. In that light you may want to find the courage to post using your own name. I suggest that the intention behind the veiled threat you offer, i.e. "He will be watched." might be redirected to "He will be more carefully read." Regards, Michael Horn | ||
Norm |
Globaleye, Below is a quote from Wendell Stevens book Message from the Pleiades volume 3 p. 149 - 150. Meier- something astonishes me:You have such very pretty black eyes, which marvelously fits your dark skin. We here on the Earth have, and that in the African sphere, a human race, which we call "Hottentots" who have quite considerable European influences. Asket once explained to me at an earlier time about this. This race mixture would have been generated together from the actual Negroid people and the white people, or similar. Is that right? Menara- Our race really originated on this earth, because our forefathers mingled together with the earthly inhabitants and generated the so-called tribes of the Huns, who in later epochs came together for a short time with the Negroid races of Africa. From there rose new races, as for example during a very long span of time the Hottentots. Some of those races now connected themselves again to our later forefathers, and generated with them our presently existing races. You need to do some real research, and stop screaming racism when there is none! | ||
Mark Campbell |
Conrad Doherty ; What is this Global eye you belong to ? A group of web-surfers ? How frightening . While you are scrutinising the globe , you might want to put the American presidency on alert that they are being "watched" . They have all been 'white' so far .After that , the American public - because "they the people" have elected all of them .As has been said before, do your research . Cheers , Mark | ||
Jon |
Hi Marc, You've stated above that "Billy Meier's contactors were of various color (yellow, brown, black, etc.)". Could you provide me with more information, especially for the yellow race. Thanks, Jon | ||
Marc Juliano |
Hi Jon, What specifically would you like to know? In the meantime, you may want to take a look at the chart of Billy's contactors at this location, toward the bottom. Of the yellow race contactors to Billy over the years, two of them (Taljda and Samjang) are shown as originating from the Njsan system. According to FIGU's booklet, Attacking Questions from Japan, Njsan harbors a planet called Kudra which was the original home planet of today's Asian races and is located on the other side of our galaxy's central sun. Regards, Marc | ||
Norm |
If the racial type was listed next to each E.T. listed in that chart. It would end all this crap about Billy promoting an Aryan only agenda. | ||
Mark Campbell |
Hi Norm ; Good idea - a keen observation on your part . Regards , Mark | ||
Anthea Cossette |
Hello Norm ... if Billy's detractors did some thorough investigations into the Meier case and read all the available material from the FIGU about Billy, the Mission, and his contacts before slinging mud from their pig-sties, then it should not be necessary for the race of each E.T. to be listed as you suggest. The Truth is self evident to those who seek for it. If some stubbornly refuse to define Truth for themselves then they do not deserve to be spoon-fed even an iota of information. This is just my opinion ... ;) Kind Regards, Anthea | ||
Norm |
Anthea, Since the attackers are going to attack, why shouldn't we make it harder for them? As someone who has been following this info for years, I only knew of the Menera case. Until the Internet & the Billy Meier websites, alot of this info wasn't even available to me or others to research. Guidos book is a start and should help change that. If there is enough info out there, then why is FIGU bothering to translate everything into English? If I follow your way of thinking further then shouldn't everyone just learn German? | ||
Anthea Cossette |
Hi Norm, I don't think that listing the E.T.'s races would be making anything "more difficult" for Billy's attackers - they make things difficult for themselves, because, when all is said and done, Truth always triumphs anyway. Why pander to these idiots? Even if one had to provide the truthful facts and irrefutable proofs to these individuals in front of their very noses they would still maintain their very myopic views, and continue to attack and make assinine assertions that have no basis in truth or fact. This has happened since the very beginning of Billy's contacts. As for your comments about my line of thinking ... I would ask that you re-read my post. I said: "... read all the available material ...". I did not say: "read all the available ENGLISH material." Billy and the FIGU get attacked by persons/groups of different nationalities and languages - not just the English speaking populations. ;) However, to be specific, it is also my opinion that there is enough English material for the sincere Truth seeker to be able to discern that one of the many things that the FIGU and Billy stand for are humanistic and not racist values, in any sense whatsoever. The facts speak for themselves. Salome, Anthea | ||
Anthea Cossette |
Addendum: Norm ... you asked: "If there is enough info out there, then why is FIGU bothering to translate everything into English?" Creation's Directives and Laws ... remember, the material is also being translated into other languages, not only English. This effort in itself is enough proof that the FIGU is not a racist or supremacist group! What more proof does one need after that? Anthea | ||
Jon |
Hi Marc, Thanks for the information. By the way, are there any descriptions about their(Taljda and Samjang)appearances, lifestyles, and language? Tia, Jon | ||
Andrew C. Cossette |
Hello Mr. Global Eye and others in this thread, I must say, after learning of your post (before it was accepted) from the current moderator, that I was amused. May I call you by who you really are? conraddoherty@hotmail.com... Anyone who masks their true identity behind a "Hotmail" account must belong to an a posteriori, verifiable and significant group, yes? To directly respond to your hullabaloo, I would quote one of Billy's most important teachings to all of us. And that teaching is; "Sevenfold dangers threaten Man (Ed: ALL human beings) from other human beings: Namely; from public officials, from thieves, from enemies, from false friends, from mighty ones, from priests and from adversaries." (OM, Canon 32, Verse 8) As you 'might' notice, nothing is said about race. Remember, the color of a Raven is the same the world over. It appears by your choice of words and train-of-thought behind them that you might be a danger to yourself and not the groups you seek out. "The manner of speech of a man reveals his feeling and thinking, whether it is pure and good, or swinish and bad." OM, Page 177 Any further comment would be useless. Regards, Andrew Cossette FIGU PG/OCT | ||
Andrew C. Cossette |
Hello all, Pertaining to this thread, we are almost finished with our World Trade Center document. It will go into public release within days (on the main FIGU Website). Interesting to note is the fact that Billy delves into the aspects of race, color and xenophobia at the end of the document. Maybe the public at large out there will be interested in our FIGU structure of ethics and morality. Namely, that we are not 'following' a leader and, moreover, the fact that our mindset is not geared in any way towards racism and/or social or xenophobia. All humans deserve respect, love and compassion, whether they be black, white or blue... Billy will share his concepts, knowledge and experiences in this soon-to-be released publication regarding the WTC bombings (where ALL involved had red blood). Stay tuned for the official release, coming in a matter of days. Regards, Andrew C. Cossette | ||
Michael |
Hi Everyone, I want to run this by you as I have been thinking about it for awhile. The problem to me is that the idea of the state of Israel is founded on a premise that would not be accepted anywhere else in the world. If I am correct, the majority of the Jewish population of Israel was comprised of refugees from many different countries such as Poland, Germany, Russia, Hungary, Austria, etc. These were people whose identity for some time was associated with these countries, they were therefore, Poles, Germans, etc., not Israeli refugees. It may be true that their distant relatives came from this land but not their recent ones. Then, under the auspices of the British and the UN the state of Israel was created as a homeland for the Jewish people. By this reasoning wouldn't the Mexicans be "entitled" to take back California, the American Indians be given back all the land here and wouldn't blacks be entitled to reparations, even though none of the current black population was enslaved and no one alive today in America is a slaveholder? When my father's family escaped the Nazi's and fled from Austria, and my mother fled the communists in Russia, they came to this country (as opposed to demanding their own), made lives for themselves and raised their family. Now, since recent genetic tests show the Palestinians and Jews to be almost identical, and it's an obvious fact that a religion (like any other belief system) isn't passed through genetics or "blood", my question is: apart from the religious belief that "God" promised the land to the Jews and /or their descendants where is the justification for a religious state to be established against the will of the current residents who have lived there continuously for countless generations? Michael Horn | ||
Norm |
Hey Mike, Read the book "The Thirteenth Tribe" by Arthur Koestler, It will really shock you. From the front cover, "The Startling new discovery about the true ancestry of the Jewish people... It will cause a stir" From the back cover," This book traces the history of the ancient Khazar Empire, a major but almost forgotten power in eastern Europe, which in the Dark Ages became converted to Judaism. Khazaria was finally wiped out by the forces of Genghis Khan, but evidence indicates that the Khazars themselves migrated to Poland and formed the cradle of Western Jewry... To the general reader the Khazars, who flourished from the 7th to the 11th century, may seem infinitely remote today. Yet they have a close an unexpected bearing on our world which emerges as Mr. Koestler recounts the fascinating history of the ancient Khazar Empire, a major but almost forgotten power in Eastern Europe at about the time that Charlemagne was Emperor in the West. The Khazars' sway extended from the Black Sea to the Caspian, from the Caucasus to the Volga, and they were instrumental in stopping the Muslim onslaught against Byzantium, the eastern jaw of the gigantic pincer movement that in the West swept across northern Africa and into Spain. Thereafter the Khazars found themselves in a precarious position between the two major world powers: the Eastern Roman Empire in Byzantium and the triumphant followers of Mohammed. As Mr. Koestler points out, the Khazars were the Third World of their day, and they chose a surprising method of resisting both the Western pressure to become Christian and the Eastern to adopt Islam. Rejecting both, they converted to Judaism. In the second part of this book, " The Heritage," Mr. Koestler speculates about the ultimate faith of the Khazars and their impact on the racial composition and social heritage of modern Jewry. He produces a large body of meticulously detailed research in support of a theory that sounds all the more convincing for the restraint with which it is advanced. Yet should this theory be confirmed, the term anti-Semitism would become void of meaning, since, as Mr. Koestler writes, it is based "on a misapprehension shared by both the killers and their victims. The story of the Khazar Empire, as it slowly emerges from the past, begins to look like the most cruel hoax which history has ever perpetuated." | ||
Michael |
Thanks Norm, looks interesting. I'll have to read more to fully understand the relevance. Michael | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Hi Michael, Just a thought... If there is/was such a thing as: "The Jewish People" having spirit forms, which collectively reincarnated from the "Jewish people" from the older times...??? | ||
Michael |
Hi JP, I think it would be good to have a precise knowledgeable answer about this. My understanding is that people reincarnate in the same racial group usually. The Meier material offers the position that the Jews are not a race per se but rather a grouping of various nomadic and gypsy peoples. Since, again, we don't really seem to know about the laws covering this kind of thing, it's all guess work. Also reincarnation and evolution, individual and collective karma and destiny isin the equation...unless, of course, it isn't. Michael | ||
Christian Frehner |
Hi Norm, There's another book I just bought, but didn't read yet. It's called "The Myth of the Jewish Race" by Raphael Patai and Jennifer P. Wing. Regards, Christian | ||
Michael |
Hi Christian and Everyone, I wonder why, if the importance of the Jewish people is mainly in their own minds, why did so many prophets (with the spirit form now incarnated in Billy)incarnate in that region? Why not in India or someplace else? Michael | ||
Norm |
Christian, Thanx I will look for this book. Its ashame that mankind can't seem to distinguish between Chosen People, of different races and the Chosen Race of the Hitlerian idea meaning the same race. I often wonder how this whole thing of the Chose People was used by the Giza Intelligences/Bafath, to cause the current backlash against the Jews. The thing I don't understand, can't we trace Jehovah to the Giza Intelligences/Bafath? They were on the same page at one time in the past??? Then they decided to help steer Hitler against the Jews and against Jehovah's chosen people. There seem to be plenty of evidence that Racist Idealogs before Nazism like Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Guido Von List, Lanz Von Liebenfels & Dietrich Eckart where influenced by dreams and visions, they say they had. A good but hard to find book on this is "The Occult and the Third Reich" by Jean Michel Angebert and "The Occult Roots of Nazism" by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke. I guess the big question is, Was Giza really racist or were they just using race to, get Earth men to destroy themselves? | ||
Linda Williams |
Hi Michael, The prophets, the visionaries, the seers were placed in that region so as to establish the deeply rooted prophetic tradition in Judeo-Christian theology. At least, this makes sense to me. Generations upon generations upon generations awaited the coming of the Messiah, for instance, or someone called "Emanuel" ("God With Us") or someone called Jmmanuel? The prophets in that region continued to speak of this future event. What other religions or belief systems in other regions rely so deeply on the prophets or the prophetic tradition? Linda | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Hi Christian and everyone, Could it be that the reason that so many prophets were born into this region was because of the lineage from Semjasa down to Jmmanuel? The Hebrews were just wandering gypsies, but a certain family line may have had to be preserved, with a prophet appearing every so often to clarify things which may have been falsified over the years. Just as Billy has done in our time. Could this also be (and I find this difficult to understand) why an Jshwjsh such as Jehovah could become such a bloodthirsty tyrant when he was on such a high level of spiritual evolution and should have known better? How could he go against Creational Laws and practice capital punishment? The only possible explanation I can see is that the world was so unstable at the time that compromises had to be made to calm down the people. Perhaps Jehovah considered himself justified in acting in this way to protect a certain family line and that this was a form of self defense. This really seems delusional on his part. In any event Plejaran history tells us that he was cruel and unjust and caused more harm than good. Fortuately the ancestors of these evil Jshwjsh have come back to correct their mistakes. However, I still don't fully understand how someone so highly evolved with such a high degree of wisdom could behave in such a manner. Are we being told the full story? Lonnie | ||
Mark Campbell |
Lonnie ; It seems to me , logical that since Jehova was raised in an advanced society , that he would attain the general level of his time and place .However , since most societies have their 'wild cards' or criminal element , he was one of the deviations of his people . All beings are able to use free will . | ||
Anthea |
Hello Lonnie, if I recall correctly, Jehovah was not an Jshwjsh at all. He was an ordinary Earth human being who elevated himself to that status out of his own ego and power issues. Linda, the correct meaning of the name Jmmanuel is "one who has godly knowledge" ... this can be found in the 1st Chapter of the TJ, verse 87. Kind Regards, Anthea | ||
Norm |
Anthea, "Jehovah was not an Jshwjsh at all. He was an ordinary Earth human being who elevated himself to that status out of his own ego and power issues." From page 129 Message from the Pleiades Vol. 1, That IHWH Arus was the father of Jehov. And in Vol.2 page 60, Billy calls Jehov "IHWH the Barbarous" also on page 60, it says there was another good IHWH that rule at the same time, on Earth. | ||
Linda Williams |
Yes, "Emmanuel" and "Jmmanuel" are different names and different concepts, the former connoting avatar, the latter not . . .but the point of my post was really an effort to address the question of why the concentration of prophets (and prophetic tradition) in that region. Linda | ||
Savio |
Hi Lonnie I think an IHWH is just a "King of Wisdom", he may acquire a very high level of knowledge, but it does not mean that he is highly evolved spiritually. The most dangerous persons are those highly educated but with low level spiritual evolution. Regards Savio | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Hi Savio, I think most of us are no more spiritual than the average human, but we have gained a certain knowledge which makes us dangerous in a good way to the establishment. In the seven primary steps of evolution most humans on Earth are on the second step (Reasoned Life) in the upper levels. Billy is on the forth step (Real Life) at about level 5 which includes utilization of spiritual knowledge, and spiritual wisdom. And, living within Creational Laws. An Jshwjsh (JHWH) is on step 5 (Creational Life) at level 6. Most of the Plejarans are on step 5 somewhere. So An Jshwjsh should have the knowledge, wisdom and understanding that capital punishment actually causes more crime and inhibits spiritual development. Anthea, in the booklet "49 questions" Billy does refer to Jehovah as "dear old God" or Mr. Jehovah as he was known back in those days. It seems unlikely that he was an Earth human since he was able to perform many powerful works in Moses time that only someone with great knowledge and mastery over things could do from within a beamship. I only brought this up about Jehovah because I thought he was involved in helping to preserve a certain family line leading up to Jmmanuel. There were many cruel Jshwjsh who ruled over different races of humans back in those days. Since Billy personally visited Moses on one of his visits to the past, I'm sure he has accurate knowledge about this subject. Perhaps Christian or Andrew can clarify this for us. Kind regards, Lonnie | ||
Anthea |
Hi Norm ... I may be wrong (and stand corrected if I am) but Jehov and Jehovah were two different people. I will make some enquiries and get some clarification. Linda, I understand the point you were making. However, I felt that a distinction between the name "Jmmanuel" with its correct meaning, and the name "Emmanuel" (a corruption in the Bible of the name Jmmanuel) should be made to prevent any confusion that may occur at any future date. Kind Regards, Anthea | ||
Anthea |
Hi Lonnie, In answer to your statement: "Anthea, in the booklet "49 questions" Billy does refer to Jehovah as "dear old God" or Mr. Jehovah as he was known back in those days." It is my opinion that Billy was really saying this (quote: "dear old God") tongue in cheek, ;) because truly the person known as "Jehovah" had elevated himself to a status far beyond his actual capabilities or evolution out of his own greed for power. He jumped on the "bandwagon" so to speak of the real Jswhjsh's without being a true Jshwjsh himself. However, I will get more information about this old knave (for my own knowledge) for accuracy's sake. Kind Regards, Anthea | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Hi Anthea, I think that the life form known as Jehovah or Jehova was really named Henn. I don't know why they called him by another name or if they knew any better. If so, then the person behind this facade would have been the real culprit. | ||
Thomas Hall |
Dearest Lonnie, I think that you are mistaken...I don't recall reading that Billy ever visited Moses personally. If I am wrong, someone refer me to the exact place that Billy said this. Thanks-Thomas | ||
Savio |
Hi Lonnie Thanks for your explanation Can you provide more details on evolution levels and steps? Regards Savio | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Hello All, Savio, the seven evolutionary steps were laid out on this forum by Andrew some time ago before you came on. I don't know exactly where it is. Perhaps another one of the members can provide a hyperlink to it. Thomas, Billy did visit many noteable people during his visits to the past including Moses. I think this was also discussed previously on this forum. Scott had a comment or two about this. Anthea, to finally carify this thing about Jehovah, in the booklet "49 Questions" in answer to question 33 Billy said; "All right then, as long as you are informed about it. I am talking about "dear old God," JHWH the barbarian, as I call him..." Semjase: You terrestrisls refer to him as the God from the bible, but we named him "Jehovah the Unjust and Cruel." ...who ruled at the same period as another, kind JHWH,... So from what Billy and Semjase said here Jehovah was indeed an Jshwjsh. But my question still goes unanswered, regarding how someone so knowledgeable highly evolved could treat human beings in such a way? Christian, Andrew or Marc, where are you? I have stated my opinion previously. I am not sure if it is correct. Kind regards, Lonnie | ||
Steve M. |
Hi Lonnie, everyone.., Just a thought.I recall because of different vibrational rates of Earth Humans & Plejarans they must limit their exposure to us. Humans are attracted to the vibration of Plejarans but Earth Human vibrations can be discomforting , if not maddening to Plejarans. Maybe this is what caused these ancient settlers to become so cruel. Salome, Steve | ||
Anthea |
Hi Lonnie, I have made some enquiries and am waiting for some clarification about our "good ol'" Jehovah dude ... as soon as I have the facts in hand I will gladly share them here. Regards, Anthea | ||
Thomas Hall |
Hello Lonnie, I don't mean to be picky, but Billy has spoken about Moses-he has not visited Moses on any time return travels in the contact notes. If I am in error, please give me the exact location of that info. I have followed this forum since its inception and I do recall the discussions about Moses, again, however, it was not mentioned that Billy actually did visit Moses himself. Please accept my apologies for being insistent, but we must maintain accuracy if we do not want the truth to be distorted...Respectfully-Thomas | ||
Scott B. |
Hello Thomas Yes it is correct Billy did make a time travel to the time of Moses. Here is a quote from Phil McCainey regarding this: "Regarding the Time Travel to see Moses. Billy told me in 1989 when I asked him if he had seen Moses that he had. I asked how big he was and he said about 6 ft. 4 - "a big man". I asked him what Moses was like and Billy made a sour face and said, "...an opportunist". That about sums it up from what I have read since then." Also in Gary Kinders book "Light Years" there is mention of this. I believe this time travel trip occurred during his contacts with Asket. From what I understand many of the notes from this period were lost which could possibly account for the lack of information. Salome Scott B. | ||
Thomas Hall |
Thank you Scott, I was unaware of that particular visit to the past. Anyone with info on where I can read this for myself(if at all), I would appreciate it...Thanks! | ||
Anthea |
Hi Thomas, I recall reading something along these lines in the Contact Notes ... I would have to go and look up exactly where as I don't remember off-hand. If I recall, Billy mentioned something about Moses being a "scoundrel" or something to that effect - I will have to verify this for accuracy for my own purposes too. Regards, Anthea |
