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Linda Williams
| | Posted on Monday, December 31, 2001 - 07:24 pm: | 
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Hello,
Moses, "the opportunist" or "scoundrel" is news to me. These are very negative descriptions of an historical figure regarded by many as a significant and beloved man.
I wonder what the nature of Billy's encounter with Moses was (if one can believe that such a time travel encounter actually took place), how much of Moses' life Billy actually observed, and
what would cause Billy to describe this individual in such a way?
Perhaps, lacking any sound FIGU verification, this would be a question for Billy in the next round of questions for Billy.
Linda |
jon
| | Posted on Monday, December 31, 2001 - 05:32 pm: |
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I just read attacking questions from Japan and have a question. According to the booklet, 38,000 Kinten and Niiper races landed on earth 6.7 million years, but because of violent forces of nature, all were perished. Since, according to Billy, one is born of the same race, I'd like to know what happen to their spirit form?
TIA,
Jon |
Jean Pierre Lagasse
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 06:24 pm: |
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Hi Jon,
I don't have any authoritative answers but perhaps clues???
I can't find the original post but IF my memory is correct (!!) it was originally stated that Spirit Forms tend to be born into the same culture (or social?) group.
Many/most people posting after this assumed this was the same as "race".
If I had to guess, I'd say that the original "Kinten and Niiper races" would have found a "best fit" cultural climate to re-incarnate into or "generated" their own.
If anybody has any better/corrective info (or thoughts) on this... please speak up, eh?
Jon has brought up an interesting question...
It would be interesting to "map out" the different "sources" of Earth "Spirit Forms" & what became of them. (or what cultures/races they are now part of)
Hope this might help,
JP |
Jean Pierre Lagasse
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 07:07 pm: |
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Hi Linda,
Just thoughts/possibilities...
If Moses (or any of us) was presented with an individual from "his/our future"...:
The knowledge Billy would have (of Moses' future) would be very interesting to Moses, eh? (understatement!!)
It is possible that Moses knew at least partially who Billy "was/is"...??
Of course, Billy was probably not at liberty to discuss this much either, eh?
It would have been fascinating to have been a "fly on the wall"!!
Does this thought make me/us(?) an "opportunist" also??
Possibly & Probably...*s*
Love & Life Forever,
Pierre |
Linda Williams
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 08:54 pm: |
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Hi all,
I seem to recognize that this board has an aversion to anything "Biblical-related." This, of course, saddens me, as I believe there were many sincere writers, journalists, and historians doing their best to report the events of their times. Some writings are quite narrative, some are encoded, some are symbolic. This is the stuff of "exegesis," scholarly study of these writings that I admit I never became proficient in.
But Moses . . . Moses is a great figure, and to describe him "slanderously" is of concern to me when there is no verifiable reason to do so. It is these kinds of statements that, I believe, do Billy's case harm.
Sincerely,
Linda |
Jean Pierre Lagasse
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 09:28 pm: |
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Hi Linda,
Perhaps Moses was "human" like the rest of us?
JP |
Linda Williams
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 10:11 pm: |
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Pierre,
Moses' "humaness" is not the issue at all.
Linda |
Mark Campbell
| | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 01:16 am: |
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Hi Linda ;
The subject of Moses has a parallel to Jmmanuel (AKA Jesus) .We are used to thinking of Moses reverently . Of Jesus we have been told many unusual , illogical and unsubstantiated things , such as "he is the creator of the universe and god over all creation " , which of course is absurd . Nowhere in the new testament does Jesus say that he is the "creator of the universe " , and so forth , but it is widely accepted as being true with christians .
Also with Moses we assume that 'god almighty' made it rain frogs for Moses , and turned his staff into a snake , which was always a smart magician's trick in those times .We have this impression of Moses that he could do no wrong - but my point here is that any involved reader of this forum should know that the 'god'that he was in league with was not the creation itself . So why all the historical reverence ? Is it habitual fear of thinking and discussing what has been feared all along that causes your uneasiness ? Besides , Billy did not write in any of his books or pamphlets that Moses was an " opportunist" . It was an unofficial quote from a passive member who asked Billy , and this is what he said to him privately .So for this to be considered as part of his teaching , is innacurate . So Moses used his contacts and influences self -servingly , apparently .People in those days lived honestly,but through history's reflection , they are almost always made out to be towers of morality and flawlessness .I'm sure that he put his leg into his tunic one leg at a time , just like everyone else did .What Billy does in favor of his Mission is to fearlessly reveal what he knows to be true . It's by design that these truths are not at the top of the New York Time's Best Seller List - this information is for small groups and individuals in our present time , so it's not front page news , with the pope making pubic decries against Billy . |
Linda Williams
| | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 10:34 am: |
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Hi Mark,
"Is it habitual fear of thinking and discussing what has been feared all along that causes your uneasiness?"
I'm not quite sure I understand your question, but I think there's only one thing for me to do at this point, which is to ask Billy directly for some explanation and/or clarification the next time we have the opportunity to submit our questions to him.
Sincerely,
Linda |
Mark Campbell
| | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 11:18 am: |
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Hi Linda ;
My question was more of a statement ,I only meant that we have been taught by society to (almost) deify Moses ,and even though I'm sure he was a great man , he was only a man , and subject to his own instincts , inclinations and agendas , rather than being the right hand of the Creation itself , as the popular religious opinion holds .
Mark |
Marc Juliano
| | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 12:29 pm: |
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Hi Linda,
"I seem to recognize that this board has an aversion to anything "Biblical-related."
I assume by "this board" you're referring perhaps to statements made by some posters to this board since, as far as I know, FIGU takes no blanket, contrary stance toward the bible. Billy has written an entire hard-cover book exploring and/or clarifying biblical passages, stories, events and so forth called "An Open Word".
But as always, since it's only in German at this point, it leaves another "void" for the English-speaking majority of the world. Obviously, without the exact details and background of the statement made by Billy (which was hearsay to begin with), nobody should take a position one way or the other. Like you said, it's better to clarify this with Billy directly before throwing out conjecture about this and that.
Regards,
Marc |
Scott B.
| | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 05:30 pm: |
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Hello
According to an e-mail I received recently there is a section in the latest Wassermanzeit (Dec 2001) on the early prophets. On page 20-21 there is information regarding Moses.
I don't have that available right now, but if someone does it might be of interest to share it.
Thanks
Salome
Scott B. |
gurujay
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 07:34 am: |
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Greetings to all,
I have been finding that when reading most or all of the CONTACT NOTES which were translated into English, one finds that many of contact conversations with SEMJASE/QUETZAL/ASKET to Billy were mainly dealing with the mission at hand and not the knick picking of Prophets and such. I strongly believe that SEMJASE/QUETZAL/ASKET being factual and concrete about the mission at hand was mainly to set Earth Human on the right course for Ancestral and spiritual understanding as harsh as they might have been at times with Billy. I also believe that THE CONTACT NOTES should be understood exactly as they are and not to try and understand it thru the point of view of all our Hoaxed Books, this includes Quraan, Bible and others that have been translated so many times. It is refreshing for us all and a great Privilage to have Billy as a Mediator as was done in the past although in a more different approach as our guide and a person who is being given better accurate knowledge about our spiritual as well as earthly life here in this planet. I Remember reading in the FIGU site where SEMJASE spoke to Billy about this similar mission 800 yrs ago or similar quest, that in itself tells alot about how special we are as part of creation, to be able to have THE CREATIONAL LAW of existing over and over again until we able to reach oneness with CREATION.
Thank you all and I hope that this some how can put us in the right track of our discussion.
BE WELL TO ALL OF MANKIND  |
Anthea
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 06:58 am: |
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Hi Gurujay,
I agree with you. The truth certainly is harsh and is often not pleasant to hear for those who feel "addressed" by its proclamation. I have experienced this factor for myself as one who was raised from childhood in a religion, and it is also simply evidenced (as one example) in the many attempts on Billy's life.
Regards and Salome,
Anthea |
gurujay
| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 02:47 pm: |
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Greeting to you Anthea and to all,
Yes thank you Anthea for bringing religion up into the topic of racism as an example. Racism is most noticable in all religions as well, we have separated everything when it comes to racism, as a factor that is always even seen by our new millenium era. I myself never grew up catholic or even made any big attempts in getting religion at home when I was child since my parents did not practice it at all, my mother became a "Jehova's Witness" at an older age now and she is very fanatical about it and to them they would want the whole world to accept Jehova as a GOD of justice, love and respect but if yet you see how they themselves seperate by Race classes, for instance you have the white Congregations, Latin and black and any other in between so to speak, how against human can that be?. The higher your education the more you accept the science of reality as fact and the coming of these beings (PLEJARANS) as real and a revelation for Humans to change the Cognitions and way of thinking about all the races of this earth. It is a MAD circle and a pitfall for blind people of all fanatical churches or religions that they dont sit and think for a moment how damaging in our development religions have become. I believe the PLEJARAN Ancestors as wicked as they were , did not care what would have happened to this Planet in a 70,000 year period of time, for their mission was to aquire this planet and make use of the primeval evolution of this planet at the time. We still have many spirits of that time learning and unfluencing this planet yet their spirits from what I see will not know or remember this. The same madness even from the Planets MALONA who were destroyed by its fate as will ours if we dont heed to the Highly evolved PLEJARANS.
I am very attracted to the idea and the factual realism of the Billy Meier experiences and the reason for this is because it is very concrete and very stable and it is really meant for us to be like or similar to PLEJARANS. I believe for all the Prophets who have been given messages and sciences this has been the latter as well, Plejaran groups coming to them out of their own voluntary time to fix or to make a new the problems with our races and for the records which the Plejarans have in their possesion is where it stands. I am very sadened  at this time that the effects of the PLEJARAN mission is not going to happen soon enough to clean the earth of this underdeveloped reality that we are in but at the same time I feel ALIVE AGAIN!! in my spirit for evolving my spirit so far to this level. In spirit which is where we need to take this before we can advance into higher Technological aspects of existence and until this madness continues, we shall keep living in the spooked world that we have created.
Be well to you Anthea and to all |
Mr.Ed..
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 10:41 am: |
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Hi All.....and GuruJay and Anthea,
Yes I agree with you Anthea. The Truth Is Hard...and Hard to handle for Many. Even I had moments...when I would tell my view about certain
subjects...and people would look at me with..."Ahaaa...what's he talking about". And when I Had to go to church in my youth..I Never Accepted...some God Sitting on a cloud..and being some Big Boss! Ofcourse They start Disliking you when you think that way.
I always said: if that Jesus Figure would walk around on earth right now...the fundementalist would Kill him at first sight! As they done acouple of thousand of years back...
And what do they do to Billy!
So we must Not be very surprised of the attempts on Billy's life. This only shows that Billy is Telling The Truth! But again...its a pitty that Nokodemion-Billy has to experience it again.
But I'm very very glad...he's OutLived those attempts!
Let Our Good Thoughts Shield Billy!!!
And the rest of the Figu personel.
And what the Geza-groep is concerned:
"CRIME NEVER PAYS...."(They know this by now)
Take care......:-)
Mr.Ed.....:-) |
JAY
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 12:35 pm: |
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Hi Ed,
Yes, as told by SEMJASE, he has been saved from some or all of the conflicts (shootings and the like).
As far everyone thinking you are crazy, at one time I used to feel this way where people or friends would look at you and think you are NUTS. Enlightenment only comes to those who have "RATIONAL THINKING SPIRITS" such as ours. My suggestion to you Ed is to just mention it an let it be with them, it is up to them to Engage in understanding your knowledge of this.
BE WELL |
Steve M.
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 12:51 pm: |
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The Giza Intelligence(as called here) are long gone from the Earth as far as I know at this point. They have been exiled from Earth & stripped of technology by the Plejarans.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Salome,
Steve |
Norm
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 01:28 pm: |
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Steve M, You are correct. |
JAY
| | Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 09:35 am: |
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Steve and Norm,
I believe one of the later contacts to Billy was MENARA and in a contact report I read that she chased out of our Solar system certain ones from the GIZA Intelligences in an incident at one time, please guys correct me if I am wrong on this or it may have been some other unknown Extraterrestrial beings
Be WELL |
Norm
| | Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 01:56 pm: |
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Jay, I never heard that before. Maybe someone else can clarify this about Menara? |
JAY
| | Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 04:12 pm: |
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Thanks Norm,
I was not sure since I have not re-read the Information in a while. I will look over my readings again on this since I believe there is a senario where MENARA did have a chase of unknown beings to outer reaches of our solar system, it was not in detail but the information was brief. Can anyone elaborate on this as well??
NORM... BE WELL |
Edward
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 01:02 pm: |
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Hi Jay....And All...
Nice hearing from you...
Yes...thank you Jay..you are Fully Right.
I did stop at a point...and kept still. Best to do.
I mostly felt really sorry for them...but again...It's their Own fault that they are like that. They have The Free Will to Seek The Truth. And if they choose the Narrow-path...well..so be it.
Nice hearing from you Jay....
Take care...Be Healthy...
Edward....(Alias...Mr.Ed... |
Edward
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 01:05 pm: |
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Hi Steve...and All...
Nice to hear from you....
Yes you are correct...the Giza-intelligence did
get what was coming to them. After all those
hundreds of years....or should we say Thousands of
years they...manipulating the earth races. And indeed,try and put everything...straight...
again....
Yes you are correct...they were exiled from Earth & stripped of technology by the Plejarans...after
their leader was killed..in action. Ashtar..was it..correct me if I'm wrong...?
Take care...Be Healthy....
Edward...(Alias...Mr.Ed... |
Edward
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 01:07 pm: |
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Hi Jay....and All...
Yes you are right. Menara did take part of such
an action. But I can not recall which groep was
being taken action against.
Will have to refresh my mind on that..and look.
Take care....Be Healthy....
Edward..... |
JAY
| | Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 06:31 am: |
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Hi Edward,
The Ashtar leader is the character killed..... hmmm, very strange but I have heard of this Ashtar being somewhere in this website I used to read often, in the website it was mention ASHTAR but under the heading "THE ASHTAR COMMAND". Maybe you guys may have recognized this name title for it was claimed as a group of Plejaran beings also who had telepathic contact with the writer of the site. I stopped reading this site after some time now since it was too Sensationalized and it did not have facts like that of Mr.Meier's case. In any event if this ASHTAR command has any relation to ASHTAR that was killed, I am sure that the group which was had the following THE AHSTAR COMMAND Knowledge has been in a wrong path.
The name of this site if I recall is:
www.spiritweb.org
BE WELL ED and all |
Jani Johannes Metso
| | Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 10:20 am: |
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Hello JAY,
As far as I know, there are many different people/groups around who claim to be channelers or in contact with such a person, ie. so-called Ashtar or Ashtar Commando etc. Years ago I was interested in their affairs, only to discover the insanity and dishonesty of their 'business'. I think this matter has been discussed on this Forum many times already, and I remember it's been stated that the person who has become to known as Ashtar or Ashtar Sheran, had a real name of Aruseak. So I can only say that there is no truth with those purported contacts with this person they call Ashtar, etc. I've been reading the web site you mentioned, "Spiritweb", and it seems to me that it is full of this "new age humbug" many of us are really familiar with. Of course, this is my opinion.
Best wishes & Salome,
Jani Metso |
JAY
| | Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 02:32 pm: |
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Hi Jani,
That is all correct as we both mentioned, I read this so called "SPIRITWEB" site for a few years in the 90's and I did not find it too fulfilling until I began getting more involved and turning back to the Meier case and other cases which had concrete proof. Is one thing to just channel information and another is to have both Physical as well as telepathic proof as Meier did. Thanks for aggreeing with me on this issue . |
JAY
| | Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 02:45 pm: |
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To all in this board:
I find that I being from America and knowing the many issues that relate to color or race here in my country and knowing that this thread is dealing with Racism and Rights, I would like to ask the question regarding races and what races in the Plejaran groups would be closely regarded as being of Nubian (Dark skinned complexion) who would resemble the Africans or the African American by ancestry and where in the cosmos as Plejarans may they exist??. The reason I ask is because I have observed SEMJASE\QUETZAL\PTAAH would resesemble what we call here Caucasian. Can anyone give some thought into this if they can??. Thanks
BE WELL |
Jean Pierre Lagasse
| | Posted on Saturday, February 09, 2002 - 02:54 pm: |
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Hi Jay,
Do a "By Keyword" search on "Menara".
The info you will find might answer your question.
Regards,
JP |
Edward
| | Posted on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 10:16 am: |
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Hi Jay and Jani...
Nice to hear from you....
Yes..I have too read much years back and had also come across Ashtar. But I wasn't aware it may have been the same "Ashatr Sheran"? So, it could be the Same person?
Many people have indeed claimed to have had contact with him. I have even read cases where some people had become 'Insane' by his influence.
And I do agree with you Jani..how far should we go
to Believe/Accept the truth in so much that was
written about him?
I Never did fall for those so-called Channelers.
My Common Sence just tells me what I have In Front
of me...and mostly it's Right too....
There are just Too Many Wanna-Be's...as Billy has
mentioned many times. Everything just has become a
Money-Business!
So, when his name was mentioned in some of the
Billy Meier material(s)...his name did ring a bell
to me! But again. I can not say if it was the one.
And the Ashtar Command I have come across to in the past.
Maybe someone of FIGU can give use more details?
If this topic is still worth talking about?
Jay & Jani...Take Care...Be Healthy...
Edward.... |
JAY
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 12:06 pm: |
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Hi Ed,
Yes the ASHTAR COMMAND came across to me after reading the information from FIGU on the Ashtar being who has been stripped and banned from all technologies, I was trying to cross reference it with the Ashtar COMMAND in the SPIRITWEB site. I do have a strong feeling that the character is one and the same except that they are not making direct physical contacts to the contactee but more like a deceitful Telepathic contact and fooling the individuals on that site.
I should have posted this question to Billy since he can more or less clarify if the ASHTAR being is one and the same as the SPIRITWEB character.
BE WELL ED |
James Roy Mizar
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 06:00 am: |
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Salutation Jay and all,
I think it would have to be spirit telepathy,as I remember Ashtar died in the Dal universe with Asket and her people having had to defend themselves.
I think the great thing about this is that Astars spirit form will have a better chance to evolve with the help of the Timmars.
Joy and peace
James |
JAY
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 10:11 am: |
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HI James,
This is quite correct in detail as for the Asket and ASHTAR Death, thanks for the added detail on here
BE WELL James |
James the truthseeker
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 12, 2002 - 06:36 pm: |
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Greetings,
OK concerning the "Ashtar issue", I'l try and give a brief summery of some of my findings. Ashtar was a tall nordic blond person who's real name was "Aruseak" who slowly broke away from the Gizeh intelligences and his evil causin "kamogal II, as we'll read about in Billy's 36 contact notes. I give the refrence of "nordic" as Ashtar himself was a descendent of the Hyperboreans like those also of the "Gizeh boys"; a renegade group as the the Gizeh boys where. In this manner Aurseak changed his name to Ashtar Sheran and had actually influenced grately the German Thule society during the 2nd world war. The Plejarans also give refrence to Ashtar moving in a place of truth after leaving Earth in 1961. Now whats interesting about this is, when this whole "Ashtar issue" resurfaced again with the "Venusian" UFO contactee claims across North America and the UK from 1952-1961. What I then found was that these Venusian ETs weren't ETs at all, but were in fact Germans in their man made UFOs called "Haunabu II's", which of course would explain the German accents of these proclaimed Venusians. Again I will say that the Plejarans did not give refrence to Billy as to who these Germans actually contacted. That I know of anyway. These Germans are said to be from the former German Thule society who where actually associated with Ashtar himself. Now keep in mind here what "Thule" is. It is supposedly what the Vikings once called "Greenland" which was once "Hyperborea". Take note now Adolf Hitlers obsession with the Aryan race and the control exercised over him by the Gizeh Intelligences or "Baffath".
In 1952, Ashtar and his group called "Shan" is said to have contacted "George Van tassel" to warn the US government of the dangers which awaited them with the threat of nuclear war and the Baffath intelligences meaning the "dark forces". A group of his UFOs flew over the white house shortly afterwards as proof for all to see later that year, and photos were taken of these UFOs ships flying over the white house. George Van tassel founded a group called "The Ministry of Universal Wisdom, and Ashtar and his group finaly left George Van tassel's group in "1961", which confirms the reports of this giving to Billy during the 36 contact notes. George Van Tassal was the inventor an builder of the integratron and held the best known UFO forums of his time at Giant Rock California.
One member of George's group was a woman by the name of Thelma Terrell, who later changed her name to "Tuella" when she later decided to plagiarize George's "Ashtar material" and write many channeled books thus calling it all "Ashtar Command channelings". Her sister later turned out to be no better! From that point on, many more people decided to channel Ashtar themselves for more dollors. Strangely enough, I found these books actually attracted many common middle aged, over weight, short tempered women who claimed to channel Ashtar with an infatuation of Ashtar as being their soul-mate, ect. I'm saying this because of the simular personalities and appearences of theses different womem. Ashtar himself supposedly returns to Earth in 1980 to 1983, but thats another story in itself.
Peace in wisdom,
James the truthseekr. |
James the truthseeker
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 12, 2002 - 09:47 pm: |
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Greetings,
I forgot to mention that "Ashtar" is also mentioned in Billy's 38th contact notes.
Salome,
James the truthseeker |
Parik
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 08:17 am: |
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Just a quick aside,
Regarding the descendants of the celestial sons, is Nicole Kidman an example of what they may have looked like. After reading the description, she fits the profile almost, if not, perfectly. She does have a genetic quirk that does not allow her to tan. I wonder if this might be something common with all the descendants. To me, she is a goddess. She might as well have come from some other heavenly planet. Anyway, just a quick aside. |
Edward
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 09:33 am: |
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Hi Jay, James...and All,
Nice to hear from you...
Yes Jay....that would have been a good idea, to ask Billy.
Well...I read about the Ashtars back in the begin
80ties...so...I think he was still alive then?
He may have done some negative manifestions with his mechanisms? If he were alive then.
Yes James...you are correct...he did die in Battle
in the Dal Universe..as I have read in Billy's
material.
Thanks you both for the additional input...
Take Care...Be Heatlhy.....
Edward.... |
JAY
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 04:21 pm: |
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Hi James and all
James I like the trail of details you left concerning ASHTAR Sheran, yes these so called channelers did sound so spooked out with all the so called Channelings..... again thanks for those good details.
BE WELL |
James the truthseeker
| | Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 12:49 am: |
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Greetings Jay, Be happy! -> Stay happy!
I'm glad you enjoyed my research of Ashtar. I my self had looked into it for many some years as I wasn't satisfied with what channelers where telling me. I wanted to know more and see photos of Ashtar ships. To my suprise a lot of new age individuals didn,t have satisfactory answers concerning Ashtar.
Salome,
James the truthseeker |
James the truthseeker
| | Posted on Monday, April 08, 2002 - 08:51 pm: |
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Greetings Jay and others,
As I mentioned that I always wanted to see Ashtar UFO ships. Here is one of 3 photos I have here of Ashtar Sheran and his command as they flew over the White house back in 1952 as was predicted by George Van Tassel earlier that year for all to see. Who's to say that UFOs didn't land on the White house lawn back then?
Salome, Enjoy!
James the truthseeker
Image may be © by "The Ministry of Universal Wisdom". Even though their URL is no more, I will still give refrence to them anyway.
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JAY
| | Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 08:55 am: |
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HI James,
way to go James !! ... love that picture, I decided to save it in my UFO picture Collection CD. Thanks for keeping up on the Ashtar Search.
BE WELL James |
Mark Campbell
| | Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 01:49 pm: |
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James ;
I think that you assume alot , when you refer to George Van Tassel as an authority on anything .You would think that by now , those kinds of so called contacts , or whatever he claims to be , have been sufficiently exposed as frauds .There is sufficient information on this site about frauds , deceivers and , Ashtar Sheran .The name itself is no identifier - in the middle east , it's quite a common name or word . |
Jean Pierre Lagasse
| | Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 11:02 pm: |
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Hi all,
Irregardless of who's craft they were, from what I've read, there was quite a story on Washington(?) being buzzed by UFO's in this time period. This was apparently seen by many people.
It would be interesting to dig up old newspaper articles on this & any other photographs remaining & produce a documentary of sorts!!!
Could be also an interesting excercise in "how the past" has been "covered up"... again.
Mostly by ourselves, not being attentive to it!!
JP |
Jose Barreto Silva
| | Posted on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 01:06 pm: |
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If you want to read PURE TRASH AND LIES from this ARUSEAK/ASHTAR you can go this link.
ARUSEAK/ASHTAR was "killed" in 1983 in DAL UNIVERSE. ASHTAR/ARUSEAK WAS A RENEGADE!!!
http://www.uni-mainz.de/~gruensch/UFO/ufo_apdx/ashtar_muw.html
Jose Barreto Silva
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Jose Barreto Silva
| | Posted on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 01:27 pm: |
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TO James the truthseeker
THIS THING I´VE FOUND ABOUT ASHTAR MAKES ME LAUGH!!!
Introductory statement by Brianna Wettlaufer from the "Ministry of Universal Wisdom", the Official organization of George Van Tassel, founded 1952 (homepage).
"Our organization is in no way correlated with Ashtar Command or their personality of their Ashtar. "Ashtar Command" was started by a man named Robert Short (or also known as Bill Rose), an Editor of a 1950s UFO magazine - "Interplanetary News" and at one time friend of George Van Tassel. Mr. Short felt Ashtar's communications (through Van Tassel) should become commercial and mainstream, in order for personal notoriety, not for a truth to the public. Due to Mr. Short's difference of opinion to Van Tassel, their friendship parted on bad terms. Mr. Short soon there after began Ashtar Command. Mr. Short was not in contact with the original Ashtar, and George Van Tassel was never apart of Mr. Shortís organization. Ashtar's personality is a distinct authority, who communicated with Van for specific messages, this was most graphically displayed in the message from Ashtar, through Van
Tassel to the U.S. Government. Ashtar is not a metaphysical philosopher or rambler. George Van Tassel's organization is in no correlation with Ashtar Command & advises persons to be extremely discerning. The approach of Love is on to be aware, but there is more needed to grow as a person and advance in intelligence. Giving yourself and your intelligence up to love or Light Beings, causes passive thinking and retardation of personality. Science and spirituality are one, not a divided subject. The Ashtar of Ashtar Command is a real personality, this personality is a clone of the original Ashtar. You CANNOT "channel" space intelligence. This does not mean the assistance of space intelligence is only limited in specific individuals, people who deem themselves "chosen" or the "spiritual elite". We will not define the method of communication of Ashtar through Van, as will not give a correction to the lie Ashtar Command has created."
PURE NEW-AGE HUMBUG! FRAUD! "CHANNELING" LIES! JUST LIKE ASCENDED "MASTERS", "MAYTREIA"- SAINT GERMAIN "SANANDA - ALIAS - CHRIST IN PERSON WHO WILL RETURN IN A FLYING SAUCER TO RESCUE HUMANITY!
ALL ILLUSIONS! DECEPTION! ASHTAR SMELLS LIKE GEORGES GREEN WHO TRYED TO FALSIFY THE TALMUD OF JMMANUEL MAKING A CONCOCTION WITH PSEUDO CHANNELED TRASH FROM SAINT GERMAIN AND SANANDA.
BILLY AND THE PLEJARANS WROTE A LOT ABOUT THIS ARUSEAK ALIAS "ASHTAR" RENEGADE THAT IS DEAD MEAT WAS KILLED (ATOMIZED) IN DAL UNIVERSE FOR EVER!
IT´S BETTER YOU GUYS READ THE BOOKLET "THOSE WHO LIES ABOUT ASHTAR ETC... FROM FIGU.
FORGET ABOUT ASCENDED MASTERS, SANANDAS, CHRIST, ANGELS! WESAK FESTIVALS! BLAVATSKY LIES, SAINT GERMAIN´S VIOLET FLAME HUMBUG AND DECEPTION THESE THINGS DOES NOT EXIST AND NEVER EXISTED!
Jose Barreto Silva |
Scott B.
| | Posted on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 05:00 pm: |
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Hello Jose
I have found through sometimes painful experience
that at some previous time, I wasnt aware of what was true and not true. Through others experiences and information and my own awarenesses, I feel that I could conclude with some certainity what is true and what isnt.
I agree with much of what Billy has put forth points to the truth, but again we only know what we know, by what he has put forth through our own reading and thinking (hopefully). At this point in my evolution, I have no way to really travel throughout the universe and discover what is real and what is not real.
Therefore, I think we should allows to express their points of view, but realizing this is only their opinion based on their own knowledge and research, just as ours is.
Therefore, this is also my own opinion....
Salome
Scott |
Jose Barreto Silva
| | Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 06:16 am: |
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Saalome,
Hello James, The TruthSeeker,
I didn´t mean to say you are defending this Ashtar/Aruseak character my friend please do not misinterpret me.
I myself was for a long long time a Ashtar Sheran believer because I was a new ager buff. Believed in Saint Germain,in Sananda (aka Christ himself in person!) and thought he himself was going to 'rescue' humanity on board of a huge flying saucer in order to 'save' us all. I Believed also in the New Age point of view of Alice Bailey Wesak Festival where Buddha himself personaly along with christ Maitreya joined together in one light floating over the heads of everyone attending such Wesak Festival as per Alice Bailey books (from Alice Bailey´s Externalization of the Hierarchy channeled book). I also helped many new age believers to spread such lies to people until I discovered Billy´s and Plejaran teachings on Creation, read several times Talmud of Jmmanuel, read Mr. Jim Deardorf Celestial Teachings
read Billy´s Contacts Notes and every single material that is on FIGU´S homepage not to mention www.billymeier.com material also to understand and have a change of heart and thoughts.
Please read the attached FIGU´s BullETIN nr.34 August 2001 pages 9,10,11,12 (it´s in German and also in English Language).
It is a letter I´ve sent to FIGU to Mrs. Brunhilde Koye and Billy and they published it in FIGU BULLETIN.
You will understand my point of view regarding channeling, ascended masters, sanandas, maitreyas, christ, Ashtar Sheran,and pseudo Ufologists A. Bailey and such.
Every esoteric order you can name I was a member of: Rosicrucian (Amorc), Freemasonry, Teosophy, Esoteric Circle for many many years.
All of them were created based only on pseudo mystic, pseudo esoteric teachings, based on hindu/jewish/christian fake and erroneus teachings.
It took me several years to WAKE UP for the reality of the true words of Jmmanuel´s Creational Teachings and Plejaran along with Billy´s teachings to see that everything I had learnt or assumed as truth through such teosophical, esoteric, and other channalized books you can name or remember of were self delusion, lies and fraud.
Something happened to my spirit one day through a real dream I had - I´ve already explained to Mr. Brunhilde Koye and to Mr. Billy Meier through e-mails that changed my life and the the way I see things now.
I am sending to you the FIGU BULLETIN nr. 34 in Acrobat´s .PDF form. Please, read pages 11 or 12 because it´s written in English.
I am also sending you the link to the concocted book "AND THEY CALLED HIM IMMANUEL" in .PDF http://www.contactnews10.com/journals/J002.pdf just for you to see what a disgracefull concoction a person named George Green (AKA Gyorgios Ceres Hatonn or Commander Hatonn) fabricated. try to download that book and see for yourself! This person WENT TO Semjase Silver-Star Center talked to Billy in person and took the original Talmud of Jmmanuel then rewrote everything saying that he himself receveid its words through channeling Sananda/Christ,God, and Judas Iscariotes in person.
Mr. Billy Meier and Mrs. Brunhild Koye know everything about this book - a fake book about Jmmanuel MIXED with lies, with Sananda/ Christ.
Best Regards and
Saalome TruthSeeker
I myself am a TruthSeeker too.
Jose Barreto Silva |
Jose Barreto Silva
| | Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 08:11 am: |
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Greeting
Hello James TruthSeeker, this is more information for your files.
http://www.contactnews10.com/journals/index.html
This link above is another link for you to research the George Green website where you can find his fake Immanuel´s book Please read this comment about George Green, the guy who wrote the fake book (channelized) about Jmmanuel (in this case Immanuel with "i") "AND THEY CALLED HIM IMMANUEL" he sent this e-mail to Ufomind.com
deffending himself about comments Billy Meier made about him and his concocted, fake, liar book.
He falsified the original TALMUD OF JMMANUEL from Billy Meier changing its words.
George Green is also know as Commander Hatonn or Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn http://www.greatdreams.com/ufos/hatonn.htm
he channels Ashtar, Sananda/Christ, Saint Germain, and also God in person, and such foolish spirits/souls like that.
Tried to destroy the truth of Jmmanuel´s word with his fake book.
THIS IS FROM UFOMIND http://www.aliensonearth.com/misc/1999/jan/d02-001.shtml
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Editor's Note: On his official Swiss website, UFO contactee Billy Meier attacks the "critics, liars and cheats" who he feels have wronged him. One of these is publisher George Green. In the document
at http://www.figu.ch/us/critics/contra/green.htm Meier writes: "We,the members of FIGU, vehemently distance ourselves on our own behalf, and in the name of the Pleiadians, from George Green's false and deceitful schemes...." Meier accuses Green of using Meier's material without permission and falsifying alien entities.
NOTE BY JOSE BARRETO this comment from FIGU above was withdrewn from FIGU´s website it is not there anymore!
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THIS IS THE RESPONSE GEORGE GREEN SENT TO UFOMIND.
Now George Green has written to us in response...
----- Begin Forwarded Email -----
From: "Global Insights"
To:
Subject: Information : george green
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:51:58 -0700
Looking at the Billy Meier material listed on the net,my name came up as a detractor of Billy Meier,not true. The following is a brief history of the participants of the saga. We ran across a book of Lee Elder's CONTACT FROM THE PLEIADES VI. In it were pictures that I was familiar with after seeing a craft at Edwards AFB IN 1958 IN A HANGAR WHILE ON DUTY. I flew to Phoenix and agreed to finance the publishing of Volume II, which I did. Lee Elders welching on his signed
agreement,caused me to file suit against him and later settled (taking a bath) This led me to Billy directly in Switzerland, where I was
first turned away. Billy's associate came to our hotel the next day with a message from Quetzl,and we then were invited to spend a few days with Billy and finding out the validity of the case. We were sure that he was in contact and were given information and other occurences
happened that confirmed same. We took pictures of things OURSELVES and has spacecraft follow us IN THE US to remind us of the agreement we made in Switzerland. Subsequently we were approached by EJ AND DORIS EKKER, (aka DHARMA note by Jose Barreto) who also claimed to be in contact with the Et's and the ASHTAR COMMAND. We foolishly financed and bought into that lie. The Don Ekker, writeup was critical of us when some of the material that was being financed/published by us contained references to the so called Jews, that was an affront to them and they called me anti-semitics, whatever that means to them. For clairification of the term, read" THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE" BY Arthur Koestler and also "FACTS ARE FACTS" by Benjamin Friedman. In our dealings with the Ekkers/Meier, The problem came up on rights of the Immanuel Story, which then because of the associate caused Billy to be upset with us. Billy has a problem in that he thinks he is the only one in contact. There are more. That is enough to clarify some of the nonsense. WE KNOW BILLY WAS IN CONTACT!!!! Please correct or add for clarification to the comments. George Green (Note from Jose Barreto the associate he mentions is MRS. BRUNHILDE KOYE)
----- End Forwarded Email -----
James, you see the guy is a cheater, a swindler!!! a fraud!!!
did you read his concoction, his fake book??? "AND THEY CALLED HIM IMMANUEL"???
Best Regard my friend
SAALOME
B |
Norm
| | Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 09:21 am: |
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If I am correct George Green never claimed to be Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn. He only published those books because he thought they were real. I far as I know he has nothing to do with them anymore and regrets his involvement, infact he doesn't even publish or sell them anymore in his catalog. Also he was at the International UFO Congress in 1999 as a brief speaker with Wendell Stevens panel on "The Reopening of the Billy Meier Case" with Methusalem Meier, Michael Hesemann & Phobol Cheng. If you don't believe me, you can order a copy from http://www.ufocongress.com/ vol.#263-1 and see for yourself. |
Jose Barreto Silva
| | Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 11:06 am: |
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Norm and everyone
I´ve found this text over the net
From: http://www.sfgate.com/offbeat/buzzcuts/hatton.html
Hatton, of the Intergalactic Fleet of Ashtar Command, purportedly keeps an inordinant eye on our global affairs from his orbiting ship. Not your typical "channeled entity," his messages arrived via a special military channel that was received by 60-ish grandmother Doris Ecker and then made available in George Green's right-wing Phoenix Liberator publication. The alleged Hatton material includes conspiratorial rants about the New World Order with an anti-Semitic flavor, such as claims that the Holocaust was a hoax. When Ecker was accused of plagiarizing William Cooper's paranoic tome, Behold a Pale Horse, word for word in some of Hatton's messages, a rift in the group took place. Now Green's wife Desiree claims to be in constant contact with Hatton as well. A judge ruled in a recent court case (in which the Greens fought with Ecker over $400,000 in gold donated to the Hatton cause) that it should be returned to the "devotee," a retired mathematics professor. However you slice the pie, supposed extraterrestrial Hatton's propaganda smells decidedly home-grown.
I Really do not KNOW who are George Green, or Hatonn for me these guys are all hoaxers!
SOMEONE FALSIFIED THE BOOK TALMUD OF JMMANUEL and Georges Green´s name is Involved. That´s all!
Enough is Enough! Mrs. Brunhilde Koye SECRETARY from FIGU explained everything to me in a personal e-mail that´s all I know. I trust in her word and also own Billy words about this Green guy
Saalome
Jose Barreto Silva
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Norm
| | Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 01:08 pm: |
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Jose, Are people allowed to make mistakes? Thats all I'm saying. It sure looked like Green was on good terms with everyone at the UFO Congress. I'm just trying to add some balance to this. I'm not a friend of Greens or anything, just that I heard he regrets his involement with Hatonn.
PS That article if true, is old. Also that website has a slandering article on Billy, calling
"Semjase, the 344-year-old blonde (who looks suspiciously like Heather Locklear) led him to create a kind of cryptic religous order with followers gathering around him in a secretive area in Switzerland. Though Meier's unbelieveably clear daylight UFO shots have been mostly discredited by major researchers, a cottage industry has sprung up around books of Pleidian philosophies."
http://www.sfgate.com/offbeat/buzzcuts/billym.html |
Norm
| | Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 01:54 pm: |
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Ok, I decided do some research into George Green, because I knew I read about him, regretting his involvement with Hatonn. Here is what I found,
Editor's Note: On his official Swiss website, UFO contactee Billy
Meier attacks the "critics, liars and cheats" who he feels have
wronged him. One of these is publisher George Green. In the document
at http://www.figu.ch/us/critics/contra/green.htm Meier writes: "We,
the members of FIGU, vehemently distance ourselves on our own behalf,
and in the name of the Pleiadians, from George Green's false and
deceitful schemes...." Meier accuses Green of using Meier's material
without permission and falsifying alien entities.
Now George Green has written to us in response...
----- Begin Forwarded Email -----
From: "Global Insights" <global@nidlink.com>
To: <webmaster@ufomind.com>
Subject: Information : george green
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:51:58 -0700
Looking at the Billy Meier material listed on the net,my name came up
as a detractor of Billy Meier,not true. The following is a brief
history of the participants of the saga. We ran across a book of Lee
Elder's CONTACT FROM THE PLEIADES VI. In it were pictures that I was
familiar with after seeing a craft at Edwards AFB IN 1958 IN A HANGAR
WHILE ON DUTY. I flew to Phoenix and agreed to finance the publishing
of Volume II, which I did. Lee Elders welching on his signed
agreement,caused me to file suit against him and later settled (taking
a bath) This led me to Billy directly in Switzerland, where I was
first turned away. Billy's associate came to our hotel the next day
with a message from Quetzl,and we then were invited to spend a few
days with Billy and finding out the validity of the case. We were sure
that he was in contact and were given information and other occurences
happened that confirmed same. We took pictures of things OURSELVES and
has spacecraft follow us IN THE US to remind us of the agreement we
made in Switzerland. Subsequently we were approached by EJ AND DORIS
EKKER, who also claimed to be in contact with the Et's and the ASHTAR
COMMAND. We foolishly financed and bought into that lie. The Don
Ekker, writeup was critical of us when some of the material that was
being financed/published by us contained references to the so called
Jews, that was an affront to them and they called me anti-semitics,
whatever that means to them. For clairification of the term, read" THE
THIRTEENTH TRIBE" BY Arthur Koestler and also "FACTS ARE FACTS" by
Benjamin Friedman. In our dealings with the Ekkers/Meier, The
problem came up on rights of the Immanuel Story, which then because of
the associate caused Billy to be upset with us. Billy has a problem
in that he thinks he is the only one in contact. There are more.
That is enough to clarify some of the nonsense. WE KNOW BILLY WAS IN
CONTACT!!!! Please correct or add for clarification to the comments.
George Green
http://www.aliensonearth.com/misc/1999/jan/d02-001.shtml |
James the truthseeker
| | Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 04:13 pm: |
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Greetings Mark,
I'm really quite surprised at your response to my full explanations of "Germans, Venusians, Ashtar, George Van tessal, Baffath, etc", especially after finding corralating references to these things as I previously mentioned based on Billy's own contact notes. Unless your not aware of this, the Plejarans give full refrence to this in the 32, 36, 38, 65th conntact notes.
PLEASE READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS!,
and then read these contact notes of Billy Meier! and then you'll see where I'm comming from with all of this!
Yes it is mentioned that many of these such people are quoted as being Frauds etc, from the Plejarans, and I did not mention Geoge Van Tassel as ever being an "authority" figure. What I am saying is that, yes these hoaxes "are" the case with these so called Venusian ET-Contacts, but these hoaxes may not be from the "supposed contactees themselves, but are more then likely GERMAN HOAXES! with German Haunebu UFO looking craft, which have involved Germans from the THULE society involved with Ashtar. The Plejarans were clear about this, but were not clear about who these Germans and Ashtar himself involves as contactees as you'll read in the 32nd contact notes!
Please read carfully my explanations and correlations, with Billy's contact notes!!!
Salome,
James the truthseeker |
James the truthseeker
| | Posted on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 08:46 pm: |
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Greetings Jose,
First of all by me posting a photo of Ashtar ships etc, you and a number of others ASSUME I'm supporting this Ashtar character.
Does this mean that if I post photos of "Gizeh Intelligences UFOs" that I'm in support of them???
PLEASE READ MY PREVIOUS POST'S MORE CAREFULLY!!!!
Before you start formulating wrong opinions of me I "STRONLY" suggest first that you read my previous posts and research findings. Not "once" did I ever say that Ashtar was a good or bad person, in fact I was giving further validity to Billy's contact notes when Billy and George Van Tassel both confirmed Ashtar's departure in 1961, and I did make further mention the words of the plejarans themselves of Ashtar moving into a place of truth in the "38th contact notes" even if YES! Ashtar is responsible for his LIES etc, with George Van Tassel, and following his death in 1983.
From the thought transmition to Billy himself. 38th contact Nov, 13 1975.(A segment about Ashtar).
Questzal: >>>...This misssion consisted mainly of leading deferent groups of human beings of Aryan descent telenotically in a certain course, especially in Germany, America, Argentina and Brasil, to assest unconsciously the plans of Kamagol. At first Aruseak, that is Ashtar Sheran, unconditioanlly observed these orders, thus Kamagol achieved greater power, But in the course of time he achieved many cognitions and changed his behavior. Where-as hitherto he only acted according to the plans of Kamagol, he now unnoticibly changed his tactic and influenced his first line of hosts which he needed. Step by step he obtained their confidence and they acknowleged him as their actual leader. So it was an easy thing for him to join step by step into the obtained recognitions of the truth, and also to deal with them with the knowlege of his host. In his agreement they separated from the command of Kamagol and formed a new splinter group. Sense then, Aruseak observes from his own decisions the mission givin to him by Kamagol, and transmits his messages to different Earth Human Beings. But because he is still not fully conscious of the truth, contradictions arise, which must be taken into account. Nevertheless his messages are mainly of very true matters and give enjoyment. for reasons of security for his host and himself he gives unclear and not entirely correct information from him about where he stays is not correct, but still does not injure his achived love for the truth. >>>Continued>>>>
My refrence to the Photo being credited to the "Ministry of Universal Wisdom" is for reasons of "COPY WRITE LAWS" for posting the photo here for peoples viewing. TO NOT DO SO COULD ENDANGER FIGU and the MODERATORS to a LEGAL LAWSUIT and i'm sure FIGU doesn't need any more problems!
I've now already made refrences to the "German-Venusian HOAXS" of which Ashtar himself was obviously involved "assuming" you really did read Billy's contact notes correctly. Regardless of Ashtar's lies and THULE GERMAN HOAXES using Haunebu 2 man made UFO craft. I have taken it uppon my self to bridge the gap and misunderstandings focused around Billy and the Plejarans as being "one-sided" as numerious other individuals always complain to me about.
SHARP COMMENTS concerning Ashtar and other proclaimed UFO contactees will cause people to move into their deffensive anger reactions and to me THIS IS NOT HOW YOU introduce spiritual TRUTH to people. It is this kind of thinking that causes people to shy away from Billy in the first place and instigate further attacks upon his mission.
People don't want TRUTHFUL SLANDER, they want EXPLANATIONS to those sharp statements and nobody but me seems to be doing the research! Lets not get to religious over Billy now, eh?!
Concerning Channaling and the sort, I never was one to really go for much channeling and new age stuff. Concerning the following however I've yet to see any report from Billy and the Plejarans:
Edgar Cayce, H.P.Blavatsky, Saint Germain, Sananda & Mitraya(Though read about what the Plejarans have to say about the anti-christ), Parahansa Yoganada, and Baird T Spolding.
The "Weisak Celebration" is actually a Tibetan festival and not new age. Unfortunitly many New-agers don't even know the true teachings of Tibetan "Dzogchen".
Salome,
James the trutheeker |
James the truthseeker
| | Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 09:35 pm: |
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Greetings Jose, !!!!!
Thanks for your reasuring reply and explanation regarding "the Phoenix Journals, etc". May I also APLAUD!!! you now for your research and findings!!! Perhaps it is that George Green is just another prophet for profit like many others I have caught in the act who read the fraudulent writings of "Tuella and her sister Tuieta" and then joinning in on the "Ashtar Command channeling bandwagon". Or perhaps Goerge Green got himself involved in something that he shouldn't have; I shall thus do some of my further research here still. Thanks also for the further info Norm!!!
Up here in North Amirica, I catch faker people all the time such as when I caught those 2 other new-age fakers at Mt Shasta known as "Sherula and Sheild Dux" and their wild claims. Unfortunitly it is an epidemic for people to write books after reading books with yet more continued distortions, I come across this all the time, so I always try and go for the first book and source.
I just wasn't sure where you and a few others were comming from and I know it is easy for misunderstanings to arise quite easily and quickly even if you and Mark mean well in your words which I'm sure you both do. I wrote to you and Mark out of DESPERATION before people came to conclusions to quickly about me before I having the option of replying with more of my Plejaran and personal resorces, as the FIGU moderators only post my messages every few number of days.
My research concerning: Alice Bailey H.P. Blavatski, Guru's of India, etc, is thus far that apparently when spirituallism was common in England and in the British Colonies in Calcutta India at the turn of the 18-19 century, a number of Mahatmas(Tibetan Zdogchen teachers), tried introducing their spritual teachings to the English westerners at the time. Unfortunitly many of these people wrote their own distorted interpretation of what was said. Alixandra David Neil and Baird T Spalding were perhaps the most accurate, but even Spalding left certain specific things out of what he wrote concerning the real Dzogchen teachings, which actually coresponds more to Billy's own teachings, giving Dzogchen some validity. I seem to recal the plejarans making many corrctions to Alice Bailey's material.
Thanks for sharing that info with me and clearing some of that up as I add that further still to my notes, and ask that the FIGU moderators now to put these sent 3 posts of mine in correct order by date, so as to keep with the conversations, expressions and discussions in the correct order by date and time along with the other posts.
SAALOME !!!!
Jose Barreto !!!!
From Canada,
James the truthseeker |
Jose Barreto Silva
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 09:35 am: |
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Hello James the TruthSeeker
Have you read all of Alice Bailey´s books?
Have you read all of Baird T. Spalding books also?
Because Alice Bailey is the one who introduced this christ/maitreya character.
Mr. Baird T. Spalding with his group even spoke personally to Jesus Christ did you know?
I have his books right here with me (LIFE AND TEACHINGS OF THE MASTERS OF FAR EAST)
Do you really think someone who 'talked' to Christ in person in India has something do add to our quest of Truth? Do you know a guy named Guy Ballard who introduce his Saint Germain Violet Flame humbug and lie based all his teachings on Baird T. Spaling books.
Alice Bailey and Spalding for me are self deluded persons.
I´ll give you an example of some words that (sic) Jesus spoke "personally to Mr. Baird T. Spalding
from page 174 Volume 3 of Life and Teaching of the Masters of Far East.
here it goes the words of Jesus Christ do not forget hu James!
"This true Christ is the light that lights every child that comes into the world. It is the Christ of God our Father in, through, and by whom we all have everlsting life, light, love and true brotherhood - The true Fatherhood, the Sonship, of God and man"
I think one of these books are wrong or are fake
or Talmud of Jmmanuel is not true and Baird T. Spalding is truth of Talmud of Jmmanuel and Plejarans are REAL AND TRUTH and Baird T. Spalding and Alice Bailey are hoaxes.
I do trust in Plejaran, in Creation, in Talmud Jmmanuel.
for me everything related to christ energy, christic love etc... are fake and not true!
Saalome
Jose Barreto Silva
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Jose Barreto Silva
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 07:33 am: |
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SAALOME!!
James the TruthSeeker, for your info my friend from Canada. from now on you can call me Barreto, The TruthSeeker ok!?
PLEASE READ THESE WORDS BELLOW FROM ALICE BAILEY REGARDING "CHRIST MAITRYEA" the NEW AGE SAVIOUR AND MESSIAH OF THE WORLD.
FROM ALICE BAILEY´s BOOK "Esoteric Psychology II - Chapter III - Humanity Today - The New Group of World Servers"
Moderator: Hello José, I have removed your entire 840-word quote. For one thing, this posting and others in this thread are straying beyond the bounds of the topic "Races, racism and rights". If you need to direct people toward other literature to make your points, you must do that with a link (if Web-based), quote/paraphrase it within a short paragraph, or just give people the title and author, etc. Long excerpts from books or the Web will be removed. And off-topic posts will also be removed. Thanks for understanding. ® Marc Juliano
NOTE FROM BARRETO: ALICE BAILEY IS THE PERSON WHO COINED THE WORDS 'NEW AGE'
THESE JAMES, ARE THE WORDS OF MR. BAIRD T. SPALDING BELLOW:
The Ideal of Christ:
"There is but one Christ of all mankind. If we stand one with Christ, we are that very thing. Jesus presented the Christ to the world, which all men may present if they will."
"Always, man's divinity is man's higher attitude. It can be proved in every instance."
"You are perfectly free to make the ascension at any instant, and you are always living to a higher level because you are presenting that ideal."
Note:
Paul Brunton who became friend with Baird T. Spalding in his last three years, wrote a book entitled Baird T. Spalding as I knew him (1954). Brunton observed that Spalding had a photograpic memory: "There was no end to Spalding's ready knowledge. I heard him repeatedly come up with the right answer on almost any topic, any place or any time." but Spalding also "seemed to be unusually malleable and open" and that "everyone had a tendency to take Spalding over".
One of Burton's friends who practiced "clairvoyant vision" and had know Spalding for many years. Told Burton in an interview that: "Baird was under the control of three astral beings." his grandfather Baird Spalding, an old miner and a little child. This could explain why he could be both an excellent writer and make contradictions at the same time. (like living with Jesus for about 2 1/2 years in the mid 90's and then invent the camera to past events and had difficult to find Jesus. When Jesus was giving the Sermont of the Mount, because he didn't know that Jesus was 6'2" tall.)
"Spalding, didn't know when his words were being dictated by an control and when they weren't."
YOU SEE MY FRIEND JAMES THE TRUTHSEEKER. MR BAIRD T. SPALDING WALKED "ARM-TO-ARM" WIHT JESUS CHRIST IN PERSON AND EVEN HAD PERSONAL DIALOGUES WITH "HIM" IN INDIA. WHAT DO YOU THINK?
NOW JAMES, PLEASE READ THIS LETTER A PERSON SENT TO MARGARET BIRKIN A PERSON INFLUENCED BY ALICE BAILEY´S BOOKS AND WHO "CHANNELS" THIS SAME CHRIST MAITREYA CHARACTER IN AUSTRALIA.
IT SEEMS THAT THE PERSON HAD READ THE ORIGINAL BILLY´S BOOK 'TALMUD OF JMMANUEL' AND THEN DECIDED TO ASK TO "CHRIST MAITREYA" IN PERSON IF TALMUD OF JMMNAUEL WAS A TRUE STORY SEE HOW CRAZY IS THIS THING.
WHAT DO YOU THINK MR. BILLY MEIER WOULD SAY ABOUT ALL THIS? IS IT NECESSARY TO WAIT FOR BILLY TO COMMENT ABOUT IT ALL ?
29th Oct 2000:
http://www.maitreya-edu.org/questionanswers/offans22.htm
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SIGNED Maitreya.
See, Christ AKA Maitreya in person is commenting TALMUD OF JMANNUEL folks!
No comments my friends from FIGU
All these persons influenced the wrong NEW AGE thinking we have nowadays. People do not know the teachings of Billy Meier, only his Beamships photos they try do make a hoax of it. They do not know what is the Spirit of Nokodemjion nor whos was Jmmanuel. Talmud of Jmannuel came to destroy all of this religious pseudo esoteric HUMBUG we have all the world around. Does Anyone disagree?
From JOSÉ BARRETO THE TRUTHSEEKER II
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Anthony Alagna
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Hello James T. "Kirk" Truthseeker,
Ya said, "I have taken it uppon my self to bridge the gap and misunderstandings focused around Billy and the Plejarans..."
And I say, "Way to GO, captain!" Now this is science! I just wish some of those "L7" figu people with official user accounts, titles and proper names could learn to do this too.
C'Moon,
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James the truthseeker
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Greetings Jose,
I have not read all of Alice Baily's books, though I have read a good majority of them. AND I have read "ALL 6" of Baird T. Spaldings books. Now concerning this Chist/Miatreya guy, this is what I can say thus far. Miatreya is actually a BUDDHA once honored and/or worshiped in Tibet-China about 2-3 thousand years B.C.(not sure exactly the time frame at the moment). Anyway this is probably whom Alice Baily was refering to from her Tibetan Teacher "Dwal Khul". I'm sure you know the name!!! Alice Baily was actually a suddent of "Hellena P. Blavatsky" in India until she realized Blavatsky was writing her own un-truths, so she founded her "Arkane school". I checked much of Bailys info with some students of Tibet and "Tibetans them-selves" and found that Baily's writings actually fall in line with one of the Tibetan Lineages(Not Dzogchen). I forget which one at the moment, but I can re-inquire here again. The Tibetans Lamas are perhaps the last remaining Buddha group with the least distortions from the "original Buddha teachings", aside from the more ancient shamanic superstitious Tibetan religion known as "BON". Tibetan Lamanism consists of 4 different lineages of which "Dzochen" is but a small community group Branched off from just one of them. An individual by the name of "Bengermen Cream" FALSIFIED the names "Christ/Miatreya" to an unknown individual. In case you don't know this Jose, there's evidence to suggest that "Jmmanuel" himself went up to Tibet and possibly studdied their in his youger years as ED MARTIN found evidence of this in his book; KING OF TRAVELERS. Please read the book! As it so happens "Baird T Spalding" wrote basiclly the same things at the turn of the century in his six books, as is found also in Billy's spiritual teachings from Semjase and in Tibetan Dzogchen, but with vastly different words and dialect as used today. For example; what Billy calls "My-spirit-creation", Spalding calls "Christ-self-God-within". Unfortunitly Spalding gave many difinitions for many things and thus made his own books "very hard to read", using "Christian Terminology" through-out all his books. If you're able to see this and put the correct words together, you'll see what I'm talking about here. Example:
Christ -> anointed realized energy of creation existing in all things.
Christ energy -> PRANA -> universal energy of creation, etc.
God Principle -> Univeral law of all creation
Psychic -> Astral - emotional - psyche
In back of -> behind
Reflectors -> chakras
Spalding's use of CRISTIAN terms was perhaps in part to get the info across to people in an already existing dominant CRISTIAN belief system in the western world at that time to avoid yet furter complications. GERMAN to ENGLISH translations can be hard enough with Billy's material. The name JESUS for this reason Spalding probably found more appropriate to use then JMMANUEL. Keep in mind JESUS being a fictional charactar to begin with. Further the CHARACTERS "JESUS & BUDDHA", were perhaps nessasary at the time to get across to the very "supperstitious-religious" individuals mentioned in the book by inducing an "allusion-real-vision" for this purpose, in a kind of "WHITE LIE"!!! Though the Plejarans probably don't approve of this way of thinking, real visons can also fall into this category of WHITE LIES. Spalding actually mentions this REAL VISION on 2 different occasions that I remember reading about!!! The Plejarans talked about REAL VISIONS in the 38th contact notes, and then they talk about an existing fales JESUS or (Anti Christ) in the 45th contact notes:
Semjase - "Surely this I can give to you. My knowledge in this respect is still not mine, because it is ours in common. The number 666 concerns all right a human being of Earth, but at the same time an extraterrestrial one as well, and their work. In this regard, the earth human comes against his will to the number 666, namely the anti-logos, the lie and the untruth. This given to him against his will, name of lie, is givin by fanatics, liars and deceivers, and by religions, charlatans and power-hungry ones. In this the number 666 does not equate with the actual person, thinking and doings of this already long dead earth human being, but with the figure of delusion, which he represented, and which governs the Earth as a religious cult figure. It is this, the absolutely wicked and unreal, the damage and distruction, that is the lie and untruth, the anti-logos."
Keep in mind also the existing false MARY & JESUS images of other ET origin. Both the Plejarans and Spalding talk of an ancient ARYAN race. Billy himself once had a teacher known as "Ananda MAHATMA"(Swami Dharmawara) along with a monk known as "Rahat Sanghanan"(249 contact). MAHATMA also being a term used by H.P.BLAVATSKY. Interesting that I could give you a number of other "spiritual quotes" here from Billy & Spalding for comparisons, but that could take writing a book in itself.
Salome,
James the truthseeker |
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