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Michael
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 09:50 pm: | 
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I think I'll try this here first: Does anybody have contact info (like an email address) for Michael Heseman?
Thanks,
Michael |
Lonnie Morton
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 10:21 pm: |
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Hi Michael,
I wrote Hesemann before our first trip to the Center in 2001, and he answered. His e-mail address is:
michael@hesemann.watchers.ca |
Scott B.
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 10:26 pm: |
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Michael
I was also able to reach him through the B-Team
Scott |
E. Visser
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 02:01 pm: |
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I'm in agreement as to what Glenn McKenzie wrote in the case of Travis Walton.The fact that Travis Walton was knocked unconscious by an unknown craft and abducted without proper care hardly deserves the label 'nice encounter'.
I find it odd that the Plejarens choose not to discuss such a well-known case.Afterall they were willing to point out the liars and fraudes on Earth.In any case it's food for thought.
Regards,TerraX |
Scott B.
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 02:21 pm: |
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Hello E. Visser
Just an FYI for you. The subject of Travis Walton has come up numerous times before in this forum.
According to the most current information that Im aware of, the Travis Walton case is indeed a hoax.
I cant say much more than that, because I dont know anymore than that, and cant prove it, but just to pass it along.
Salome
Scott B. |
Michael
| | Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 07:09 pm: |
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Thanks Lonnie and Scott.
MH |
E. Visser
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 01:13 pm: |
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Hi Scott B.
You say that the Walton case is a hoax but you don't give any arguments how you reached that conclusion.
If it was a hoax than I wonder how the other witnesses passed a lie-detector test and had such serious faces on camera.
Offcourse you're entitled to your opinion.
Regards,TerraX. |
Scott B.
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 04:24 pm: |
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Hello E.Visser (TerraX.)
This information was passed on to this Forum from one of the original moderators in the year 2000 if I remember correctly.
At the time this was brought up it was also stated that Whitley Strieber was also not a legitimate contact, but also a hoax. From what I remember this information has been known for some time, but nothing was really published in any of Billy's materials formally that I'm aware of (it may be in one of the Wassermanns?). I believe this information was researched by the Plejarens and passed to Billy some time ago. May I also state that many of us, myself included, were surprised by this information and questioned the validity of it. As Im sure your aware of, the Plejarens have the resources and means to uncover just about anything they want to, as I understand it. This has been mentioned many times in the contact notes. Whether we accept or refuse this information is totally up to the individual. This to me also illustrates the point that one must spend many years studying the material being presented by Billy and the Plejarens to arrive at some consensus whether the information being presented has a ring of truth to it or not.
As far as passing lie detector tests, this has been accomplished by others also. Im not disputing the feasibility of lie detectors, but they can be fooled. Also as far as people having serious faces when distorting the truth, all we have to do is look at many former American politicians to see the truth or not to see it, depending on who we may be looking at.......
Salome
Scott B. |
Savio
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 08:37 pm: |
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Hello all
I also came across some FIGU information regarding those passed the lie detector tests.
(me too, do not remember where I saw it, it might need a lot of time to dig it out).
It was said that those who passed the lie detector tests were telling an actural encounter,
however, that was not a real ET encounter but a man made one with a hidden agenda behind.
And those who got involved were unfortunate victims.
Regards
Savio |
Norm
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 07:26 am: |
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I was also a believer in the Walton case, but when he sold out to Hollywood, by letting them change his encounter with the Aliens and the Story. Walton's story lost its integrity for me. If I were in Walton's shoes I would never have let them change my story so drastically. I also read somewhere that Walton refused hypnosis, to fill in the blanks, that he said he couldn't remember. |
E. Visser
| | Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 12:42 pm: |
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Hi Scott,Savio and Norm.
Good move in bringing in politicians.True that some people will not move a muscle in there face when they tell a lie and as far as lie-detector tests go,yes they can be bypassed with a simple mental adaptation.However these aspects are hard to attribute to a bunch off loggers.
As to the Plejarens and there ability to find the truth I have little doubt but will they tell us the truth?
As I learned from reading parts out of Mr.Stevens first book Semjase commented that they had erased the memory of some people who saw to much.
Even Billy had a memory-block put in his mind so that he wouldn't be able to reveal sensitive information.The Plejarens seem to excercise a high amount of control on situations and persons.
This alone should keep a person vigilant.
Regards,TerraX. |
James the truthseeker
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 01:10 pm: |
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Greetings TerraX.
It is my understanding that The UFO encountered by Travis Walton, was a military UFO craft from AREA 51, and the aliens where actually clones from the US military, possibly from Dulce NM. This would then be a hoax from the US military as they want people to believe that the majority of abductions, cattle mutilations, etc, are caused by aliens. Real aliens would have being a lot cleaner and careful with their human subjects. The majority of abductions appear to be Military. Dr Steaven Greer and many others have found much evidence to support this.
In the future, the US military, etc, may use these same methods to stage and hoax, a global alien invasion!
At present, Billy & the Plejarans will not comment on military activity hoaxes here. Billy was givin a block from accessing his past lives by hypnoses so that he can remember them later more on a conscious level. Later he made an agreement with the high counsel that a block come into place should he be captured for interrogation.
In regards to the REAL crop circles? I'm still searching this out as apparently this is not from an ET source, but from something else unknown from the Earth. There was a large goup of hoaxers that were finally confronted by something unknown in the fields!
Peace in wisdom.
James the truthseeker |
Scott B.
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 02:29 pm: |
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Hello James
Did the information about Travis Walton in regards to Military UFO's originate from Billy or the Plejarens? I personally haven't heard this before.
Also, if my memory serves me well, initially the Plejarens did admit to a small percentage of crop circles being ET in origin. And then last year. more information was released that indeed some of these were of ET origin. Yes there have been some hoaxers, but due to the complexity of some of the designs, it seems more likely there may be a higher intelligence operating here, in my opinion.
I think time will tell on this one.......
Salome
Scott B. |
James the truthseeker
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 01:07 am: |
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Greetings Scott B,
The information about Travis Walton and most other military UFO abductions was not from Billy and the Plejarans that I know of, but rather from Dr Steaven Greer and his associates "CSETI" which I remember hearing a few years ago. More then once, the Plejarans and Billy will confirm something to be a hoax, but often will not go into the nature of the hoax itself. This continues to confuse people, yet some people point out to me that the Plejarans should not feel obligated to our ways of thinking. This of course could lead to more problems in their mission.
In regards to the crop circles, I've heard from a few people that the Pejarans showed Billy a large group of people faking all of these, yet intuitively I could always feel there was something more. The Plejarans say they are able to detect what comes to our planet and if anything is creating some of these circles, so I assumed that it must still be of the Earth itself, but not entirely sure. Though I haven't read the contact notes in regards to this, I now find it quite odd to here this other Plejaran perspective you're telling me concerning the crop circles. I'm sure Michael Horn, etc, can also agree with me here too.
Salome,
James the truthseeker |
Vaclav Urban
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 06:42 am: |
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Hi all!
What do you think about today¨s topic HIDEOUS ECO CATASTROPHE HAS COMMENCED IN NORTHERN ARIZONA?
Is it serious? Is it the beginning of the EARTH changes?
Vaclav |
JAY
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 07:22 am: |
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Hi Vaclav,
Is there an article on this Arizona catastrophe which we can read about? Sounds like something to really look into.
BE WELL Vaclav 
JAY |
Vaclav Urban
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 07:30 am: |
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Hi Jay!
This is the source:
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/ecoalertx.htm |
Chris Frank
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 11:25 am: |
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I'm a little confused as to the question of the Earth changes. It appears that the Earth goes through a lot of changes all the time, whether they are natural or man-made.
I mean, what type of Earth changes are we actually referring to here? I am a little lost as to the question being asked. |
E. Visser
| | Posted on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 01:00 pm: |
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I find it remarkable that on this board people often brand other contact cases as a hoax while Mr Meier himself is branded as a hoaxer by many who try to get a grip on the ufo phenomenon.
If you don't have definitive proof someone is a hoaxer or is genuine you should leave the question open.Right now it's turning into camps of people.
Will this help to find the truth,you tell me.
Regards,TerraX. |
James the truthseeker
| | Posted on Sunday, June 23, 2002 - 08:22 pm: |
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Greetings TerraX,
That all depends on what the overall agenda is, for what purpose, and from whom. Weather that be from yourself, hoaxers, contactees, military, X-germans, gurus, ETs, etc. Everyone believes what they want to believe, yet belief keeps us from the truth. We are indeed a world full of contridictions and to be a real truthseeker takes a real lifetime of dedication and thinking. I think this is what the Plejarans want us to be and think. So if you haven't already, you might as well get started!
Enjoy & Salome,
James the truthseeker |
E. Visser
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 12:47 pm: |
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Hi James.Good point in bringing in the overall agenda since I had taken that into account allready sometime ago.
If you look at the messages from the contact notes you can see bits of the Plejaren agenda and where it contradicts with ours.
One example which was my first post on this discussion board,was the case of Adamski.
Adamski claimed to have met an alien visitor, photographed their ship (other people photographed the same model),even made a brief film footage.
Others sworn that they saw the ships too when Adamski went to a contact site.A small reminder, Mr Meier's case has similarities with this one.
What does Semjase say in a conversation with Mr Meier ;'Adamski is a fraud'.With no further explanation!
Once again, if other people see the ship too and testify to that,if other people from different continents photograph the same model of ship too,
than you have to back up such a statement.
In this case Semjase's word simply isn't good enough because the facts surrounding this case weigh heavier and therefore her statement contradicts with what we know.
Regards,TerraX. |
James the truthseeker
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 04:45 am: |
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Greetings TerraX,
I agree with you here as I've seen this for myself. As my own observations would include that Semjase and Ptaah do not actually give details of the hoaxes themselves, it often leaves people even more confused then they already are, as I've also pointed out a few things and findings myself. The plejarans could at least give certain details of the X-germans etc, concerning such hoaxes. I'm now of the opinion that the Plejarans being as precise as they are, would even consider church priests as hoaxers because these priest are preaching much untruth to people with their own Christian authority as this does not support the truths found in the TJ. Yet these priests believe that they are telling the truth and many in the church itself have had mystical God, Jesus & Mary like experiences to support what the priest are saying. In much the same way, the same can also be said for Adamski.
Salome,
James the truthseeker |
E. Visser
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 12:55 pm: |
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Hi James.What I noticed and what you just pointed out that there is an unwillingness on the part of the Plejarens to communicate on our level.
Wether this is natural or deliberate, I think both can be applied.
Regards,TerraX. |
Edward
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 03:06 pm: |
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Hi E.Visser...or TerraX....
Hope you are doing Fine...
Your mentioning:
"I find it remarkable that on this board people often brand
other contact cases as a hoax while Mr Meier himself is
branded as a hoaxer by many who try to get a grip on the
ufo phenomenon."
Well, I have throughtout the years...done a very very extensive
"Reseach"..if I may state it this way on many Contactees..from over
the world. Sure I gave had Doubts about many...and few...which
may have been Hoaxs.
What strikes me...is that many (Socalled)Contactees...just seem to
Only Talk About TheirSelves! It seemed more like an "Ego-Trip"...
so to speak. And they also wanted to be "Glorified". And are very
"Self-Centered". Not even abit of 'Modesty'!
Here's where Billy's a Phenomenon Apart. He is just Not like those
So-called contactees. And does not want to "Stand In The LimeLight",
like many.
I would say that Billy has the most Differs Topics and Subjects..
compared...to the So-Calleds. And Truely...I have reseached his
material...Books...Booklets....websites...and so forth..and
"He Is The Only One..Who Gave Me The 'Right' Answers...I was
Looking For!"
I will admit:"I finally Found what I was Looking for!"
After all these years.
Having encounters myself..and what went with it all...he gave just
the Right Answers...I was looking for. The others just gave 'Vegue'
explinations. The more you read his material...the more it "Enriches
my Spirit". The rest just seemed like Tall Tales...alas.
And have "Their Head(s)...Above The Clouds".
And No-One has So Much Proof as he does....Pictures...Footages...
etc.
"No-One....Just No-One.....Beats Him!!"...
All I can say is...people....just Research as much as you can..
and You Will...Find TRUTH!
Again..."There's Nobody....Like Billy!"...
Take Care...Be Healthy...TerraX...
Edward... |
JAY
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 04:36 pm: |
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Hi all,
Has anyone out there who has been involved with UFOs or Contact themselves wether they are mild or not, Mr Meier has it all as facts because you must understand that anything can be the truth but from all the scientifical material which has been checked by authorites, it definitely is THE FACTS beyond the shadow of a thought. You also need to understand the contact notes which speak of the Trips he has taken to Planet ERRA are very real, the trips to Venus and close proximity to it have been proven now by our scientists in plenty of their logs when taking phots and analysis of the surface. He told about this way before the scientist ever proven to have checkedfor themselves 15 yrs later, did not make that up after Scientist have proven some of the areas of Venus. The detail trips to in the Hyperspacer ships which are 11 miles in size are not just made my friends, they are Facts that can proven and very real. Sorry some of you guys who are disbelieving you need to re-read your FIGU information much more closer. Can Adamski claim to have gone to Venus and back??.. can he also describe what space really looks like from above and can he also prove he has been able to see the Inside of Russian space center from the outside of the depths of space??.. no he cannot. Can Adamski and somoe others explain to us how the Planets alinged in ancient time ago and how they gave Billy all this information about the history of our moon, please read "AND YET... THEY FLY" for more details.
Mr.Meier did not pay 20 million dollars like the wealthy man who payed to go into space, he was chosen and given the opportunity and FOR FREE . No Astronaut training of such needed my friends, is all in the idea to show us that they are 8000 or more yrs in advancement.
BE WELL all |
James the truthseeker
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Greetings all,
I think the points well made are:
-Billy is proven to be an official contactee with much evidence to back this up.
-There is no exaggerating the truth when it comes to the Plejarans.
-The Plejarans will not go into the nature of untruths(hoaxes) with lengthy explanations.
-Untruths(hoaxes) are unimportant to the Plejarans.
-More research is important to us concerning the nature of hoaxes sense poeple need better to exercise their thinking skills.
-The nature of many UFO hoaxes remains to be investigated by us when this concerns military, x-Germans etc, as the Plejarans probably feel this to be our responsibility and not theirs.
I'm surprised Edward that you would openly admit on this forum "Having encounters myself..", because of all those people out there who were/are hoaxers etc, this could come out really embarresing should Billy and the Plejarans comment oneday on you to. I really like the Plejarans and Billy, but if I were Edgar Cayce reincarnated, I'd also be embarrassed to share my abbilites because of all the fakers out there too. Very few people are actually for real it would seem to the Plejarans and even us.
Salome,
James the truthseeker |
E. Visser
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 01:03 pm: |
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Hi Edward,Jay and James.
Edward,I haven't met Mr Meier in person so I can't comment on what kind of person he is.If some of you have met him and think he's enlighting than that's your right.On the point of sincere contactees I would include Howard Menger,not Adamski since he did take matters to his own advantage but the circumstancial evidence still stands.Howard Menger also never made a buck out of his experiences and was allways polite to enquirers.There are other persons too who had a contact and told the press and never sold it to the highest bidder.
Jay,what the Meier case brings with it is impressive.In detail it stands out over any other contact case but to make comparisons because of that and classify one case better than another might not be wise.Each case brings something important with it and should be viewed independently.
Regards,TerraX. |
James the truthseeker
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 01:19 am: |
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Greetings TerraX,
By all means continue your research into X-Germans, ETs, etc. To add a bit of light to what your trying to tell us, I have reason to believe that Howard Manger was actually takin by X-Germans to an actual ET base on the blind side of the moon. The US military has being long sense aware of this and supposedly tried to send a nuclear weapon to the Moon during the Appollo 13 mission. The ETs put a stop to this real quick with a message to NASA not to return.
Salome,
James the truthseeker |
E. Visser
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 12:39 pm: |
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Hi James.I enjoy reading your contributions to this discussion board but I must confess that I'm not ready at this time to label the ET's that contacted Menger and Adamksi as X-Germans.The reason for that I have mentioned in previous posts.To put in a nutshell and bluntly,I wouldn't give the X-Germans the credit that they could build and operate ships and initiate a false ET contact scenario in that short timeperiod.
Jay just a FYI.Adamski did report having a trip to the moon inside a craft.In one conversation with one of his hosts they commented that they were very concerned about nuclear detonations since it could upset the balance in the milky way and disturb life on neighbouring planets.Remember this was in the early 1950's.Didn't Asket mention something similar in the contact-notes?
Regards,TerraX. |
James the truthseeker
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 05:39 pm: |
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Greetings TerraX,
Perhaps you may want to ask first where I get my information concerning the X-Germans being Venusians etc. I have piles of information from different sources proving this to be true, including from Dr frank Stranges who gave me more information of this concerning different factions of Germans being involved with ETs, etc. Most people don't even know about Hugo B. down in Argentina who to this day takes photos of these Venusian ships piloted by these Germans as he has photos identical to that of George Adamski. If you knew anything at all about this, then you'll also know that Frank Stranges is also closely affiliated with Howard Menger. Perhaps you would like me to post more photos of all this just to prove that it's all real. Omnec Onec herself who says she is from Venus, should not be any more surprising to know that she is also German! How do I know all this?, will you can see it for yourself at her official website at this link OMNEC ONEC
The X-Germans retreated from North America and the UK in 1961 with the Departure of Ashtar Sheran from the Baffath or Gizeh Intelligences. It was Ashtar himself who was concern of nuclear war, and thus involved a group of Germans. Admiral Byrd made mention of the nuclear threat concerning German speaking ETs in 1948, long before Adamski and the others did, in 1952.
Peace in wisdom,
James the truthseeker |
Lars
| | Posted on Thursday, June 27, 2002 - 06:06 pm: |
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Hi James
could you please post some of these pics by Hugo of the Venusian style beamships?
You mentioned Omnec Onec as being a German, sure she is now an official citizen of Germany, but not always.
Have you ever read her Bio published by Wendelle Stevens "UFO CONTACT FROM VENUS I CAME?
do you think a mere german earthling could so aptly describe the way she does in her book about the laws of spirit, the light and sound and about the astral plane of Venus she once lived on???
I've read the girls book and have had my own spiritual experiences of soul travel after digesting and trying out her teachings. and I know
without one iota of doubt that what this girl has written and speaks about is TRUE!!!
the proof and evidence are extraordinary, miraclous and very practical.
Why is it so hard for other aliens like the Plejarens and others to downplay and deny the claims of Omnec Onec? the Venusians she claims live on their astral plane ,like an alternate dimension. this the Plejarens should be familar with since they live in an alternate dimesion of the Plejares stars, and their High Council lives half on the astral and half in the material.
So why can't the Venusians exist similarly???
Omnec testifies that they do.and the practical fruit of her spiritual teachings proves there's something of weight to her claims that cannot be so easily dismissed.
Salome, Lars |
James the truthseeker
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 01:02 am: |
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Greetings Lars, and others
Why can't the Plejarans accept others and claims like the Venusians? May I also ask, why can't some people do their own reseach on the many claims of others before accepting it as truth??? My own findings point out that Omnec Onec's spiritual teachings orignate from a religion called ECKANKAR founded by Paul Twichell. Interestingly this name, closely resembles the name of the X German facility in Brazil called AKKACORE which was first brought to light in Brazil by Karl Brugger who was eventually killed there. Paul Twichell wrote 2 books called "The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad" of which Omnec Onec gives refrece to in her Bio you just mentioned by Wendelle Stevens. I have her book too along with the other 2 books by Paul Twitchell!, though Onec doesn't mention much her association with Eckankar and Paul while in the USA etc. Read the books from Eckankar and compare this with her Bio & you'll see what I mean! Paul Twichell acquired his own information along with starting his own religion from Kirpal Singh and his East Indian religion. One ECK member that Onec herself took a liking to at the time(possibly her guru!) was Sri Darwin Gross, who introduced to her and others the idea of soul travels on Venus along with an "astral" place there called Retz, etc. Sri Darwin Gross who claimed himself to be a MAHATMA, was never proven to be as such and later was band from Eckankar itself! It is interesting that most UFO contactees of Venusians attempted to start their own ministry or church, though never mentioned a place on Venus called Retz.
Unfortunately, I was unable to acquire Hugo's best UFO photos from a past TV series called "Strange Universe" but I have a few others somewhere in my files which I can try to dig up here.
Salome,
James the truthseeker |
Edward
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 01:50 am: |
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Hi TerraVisser...
Hope you are doing Fine...
Yes, It's good that we all can choose our own Direction in seeking Truth.
If I had Not had my Own experiences...Proof of extraterresterial life would be different.
So, I Can Understand the point of view
of people in search...to find Truth and Proof...that did not have the same
experiences as I.
So I am just speaking from experience.
And Billy/Eduard comes the Most closest to what I have experienced.(ofcourse...mine is Not Face to Face.) And I am Not a Contactee!
Ofcourse...I am Not that Revelant as He.
He has a 'Mission' to Fulfill. I do not.
I accept my experiences...as being a Part Belonging to This Life experience. And for my Own Spiritual Growth.
"Seek and Thou shalt Find"...someone once said...
Take Care...Be Healthy...
Edward... |
E. Visser
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 12:37 pm: |
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Hi Edward.Thanks for your kind words.I have had my own experiences and I know that the ships and people who operate them are very real indeed but as you might have guessed I'm still piecing the puzzle together.
James,it's starting to dawn on me that you have digged much deeper than I previously thought.I do hope you understand that I discuss topics on the availible data to me.What you just mentioned in your post is that the X-Germans basicly had a lot of help of another group of ET's.Am I right in that observation?Anyway,I'll take a look at that link.
Regards,TerraX. |
Lars
| | Posted on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 10:46 pm: |
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Hello James
I have done plenty of homework and research On Omnec onec.you seem to be of the persuasion that Omnec garnered her material soley from Paul twitchell. although I agree there are similarities
between them, there exists far too much new material which Omnec has contributed, and Iam
convinced she never made it up for a name or to make profits. One has only to see and hear Omnec on her video and C-D's to be able to ascertain her sincerity and honesty. The girl is inspired with extremely advanced knowledge and wisdom, and for those who cannot realize this they are really missing out big! Then again all of this is karmic,
the spirit can only recognize and go to what it has been aquainted with before in past lives. If the spirit is not well aquainted with something, it will have a difficult time realizing and accepting, and will have to start fundamentally
learning new claims and materials.
Besides this I have my own proof. after having been exposed to her materials I started having
conscious OOBE's and astral travelling. I have literally left my body numerous times and have become an higher-dimensional traveler. Because of this something persuades me that Omnec Onec is for real and hasn't made her story up.
One must look at the spiritual teachings of Omnec and eckankar for that matter, these teachings are pure spiritual teachings and they paralell the Plejaren spiritual teachings in similar ways, such as in reincarnation, astral travel, devotion to light and sound,the inclusion of and visitation from alien cultures from other planets besides earth, and they even use the term Arahat, which is similar to the Plejaren term Arahata.
When you collect and research everything it all comes down to this, that no matter where humans are in the Cosmos, the teachings all basically remain the same. the gaurdians of the Golden temples in Tibet and on the higher planes have preserved the true eternal wisdom teachings of spirit for earthmen, this wisdom has only occassionally been made available to us.most of the time it and it's promoters have been rejected
and killed, because it's wisdom empowered the common man.
The only way to assess and know if something is true, is if that something comes to pass and improves one's quality of life.
Salome, Lars |
James the truthseeker
| | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 03:07 am: |
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Greetings Edward, Lars & TerraX,
Edward, it sounds like you had some real UFO experiences which is actually common with more people, myself included.
TerraX, It is true that the Nazi Germans where first under the influence of the Gizeh intelligences(Baffath) during and after the war. Some of these Germans soon became alined with them in Brazil, Germany, etc. I recale the Plejarans mentioning that German scientests where givin information from ETs about building beamships. When Hitlar came to power, the Plejarans interfered in this somewhat to prevent the Nazi inslavement of humanity. The Germans still had their flying craft afterwards but these craft where incapable for good space flight. The Gizeh boys had better technology for space flight, but even they where to some degree limited now without their own scientests to assest them in times following. Some of these Germans where supposedly later alined and assisted by Ashtar Sheran, who was also assisted by other Benifactor ETs to escape the Gizeh boys in 1961. So yes I'd say at this point that some of the X-Germans did get help from other ETs to do what they did.
Lars, As you mention OOBES, let me also point out that this is the "main" science of ECKANKAR as taught by Paul Twichell. In fact, people join this group mainly to learn how to do this! Secondly, such terms such as Arahat, Mahatma, Karma, chackra, etc, are used quite frequintly in ECKANKAR also as I said already that Paul Twichell was once a student of Kirpal Singh from India. Billy and the Plejarans use these terms also as Billy also once had a teacher "Ananda Mahatma" from & in India. In fact you'll find that most gurus in India already use these "sanskrit" words meaning the same thing. As a spirit needs to recognize things, you may want to go to India and check this out. In Tibet they use a different language and don't speak sanskrit. The temples in Tibet are actually called "gompas" and in India these are called "ashrams". As for Golden temples?, this info actually contradicts what I know of Tibet, the Mahatmas and the original Dzogchen teachings, though in ECKANKAR they refer to golden temples existing on the astral plain where their ECK masters go, but I'm a bit skeptical of this because the real Mahatmas well always tell you to stay out of the astral-emotional-pychic plain on the path of realization of truth. Most of the present gurus of India today only maintain bits and peaces of the real Dzogchen wisdom. The real Mahatmas are very few and live just as we do without the need for great followings of people in isolated areas of boarder countries such as Napel, Buhtan, etc. Their homes or gompas look normal and are not made of gold as gold would only attract unwanted attention to them.
Salome,
James the truthseeker. |
Lars
| | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 10:10 am: |
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Hello people
here's an interesting note of comparison, concerning that base and infamous character named
"KAL KORFF";
within the belief of Eckanakr there exists a being or force whose sole duty is to Oppose and make trobule for spirits trying to spiritually evolve out of material existence.this is the force of the lower Mind itself and matter consciousness.
It's chief duty is to arrest soul in it's individual quest for liberation from matter.
In this i have seen a similarity with Kal K as with the Kal in Eckankar, Kal K has the same name as this entity and has performed the same work as
the KAL, being an opponent to Billy's work. In this he is like the KAL in Eck, a true adversary and false accuser.
Just some thoughts to ponder
Salome, Lars |
E. Visser
| | Posted on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 01:14 pm: |
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Glad I don't have any K's in any of my names.Just kidding.After reading the posts many people wrote on this board it's safe to say that most have been 'touched' in a way.
James,I toke a look at the link you posted and discovered some bits were in German which I can read but not for one hunderd procent.Her name sounds familiar but I don't recall where I saw it before.Her facial features are somewhat familiar to me too,again I can't place it.
Regards,TerraX |
Edward
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 04:07 am: |
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Hi TerraV and JamesT-T...
Hope you are doing fine...
Terra, Yes...it can be puzzling at first...but through the years the pieces Will come Together! I asure you. I have had the same.
My encounters were as I mentioned here once...between the mid 70ties and the 80ties. And then I just did not take/have time for it.
(went on to live my life...to Survive)
In the time I had my encounters I did read articles about Billy...which I thought was really "Wild"..if I may say...
I had done much reading to find out what was happing to me...but could not really find a satisfaction answer. I had not had much time to read much about Billy...and it was hard to get hand on his work. So, bit by bit...I managed to do some reading on him.
And I Feel More realated to His encounters...than of others...that call themselves Contactees.
James-T-T, Yes, you are very correct. I am very concsious that there are more people with encounters. I have even had friends that had there own encounters...but mine was 'Multiple'...than theirs. So they came to me for adives and so forth.
My closest encounter was a Red-Bal object(+/- 5-8meters diameters)..about 80 to 90 meters above me and a very Scared friend. It Knew..ofcourse we were there or else it would not hang above us. Then it just Popped in and out..zigzaging into the clouds again. And many things had happened also..which I would rather not discussion if you don't mind.
So, I would not see myself as a Contactee. Just Someone that has got Proof...to a phenomenon..still unknown to others. And for my Spiritual Growth.
Yes, your enocunters and experiences...on this board I have read with very much attention...
Take Care...Be Healthy...
Edward... |
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