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Author Message James the truthseeker Posted on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 02:54 am:        Greetings Edward, and Lars, Edward it would seem then that you are a UFO experiencer. It's intersting that the Plejarans and Billy have never commented on people that are in this catagory as so much emphasis is put on UFO contactees. Like yourself I too have had multipal UFO experiences which are also quite personal so it's good to know that I'm not the only one out there and perhaps there must be many others. As it's mentioned in the 251 contact, there will be small groups of people who will eventually be UFO contactees. Perhaps this is a preperation for this with other ETs. Everyone on this board could then be granted the opertunity because of their openness to Billy's info and spiritual truth for us to experience. For all we know Billy, the Plejarans, and his info was just a preparation for people to choose themselves should they recognize the truths. In fact we could all be going for rides on spaceships in just 2 months! Lets keep our fingers crossed! Lars, If I recal correctly, the name of Kal in Eckankar was "Kal Niranjan" who was pure evil. I too thought of it in relation to Kal K. Korff a few years back. His initials of course being "K.K.K." could also meen something in itself! Sense K=3 then times(x) this by 2, when Kal Korff then becomes "double trouble", then you got 6. Apply this again now to "K" and you got K=6. Finally when you apply this to all 3 of his initials then you have "666". Salome, James the Truthseeker Lars Posted on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 09:15 pm:        Hello James interesting insights you pose about Kal korff. About the Kal in Eckankar, that is really the force of the lower mind and passions which resist and are opposed to the higher spiritual senses. the lower mind and passions can get out of hand and become pure evil and bring great destruction. This is why the spiritual teachings and practice are so vitally important to all of us, the better we can limit what our lower mind wants and it's passions the better off we will be. This is why Immanuel and the John the baptist preached repentance to the people.to stir them up to think about the relations between the spirit,mind, and body and what is or is not in control of them. We need more preachers and demonstrators of repentance in this day and hour. We need to reach out and share the truth, tell the truth to a hurting and enslaved public. We should follow the examples of Immmanuel and his disciples. Salome, Lars Edward Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2002 - 02:50 am:        Hi James-T-T and Lars... Hope you are doing fine... James-T-T.., yes...you have spoken very 'Wise Words'..concerning Our experieneces. I was also conscious what was written in Contact-251. You have explained it very clear. We can only let time...pass to see what the future holds for people of our catagory. And I shall, as much as I can...make Billy's Teachings Known...to whom ever is 'Open'. As I am doing now....when possible. Very Nice to know...persons like you James... Very Nice to have met you.... That is very interesting concerning the K's. And it being decoded into the nr. of The Beast..:"666". Very Well Done! Lars, very perceptive of you also...mentioning it at first hand. These are topics that are of very Great value to me. As you can notice how many Words are 'Coded'...without many knowing this! Just as Billy has also made very very Clear to all of us with this knowledge. Just as The Bible...has Codes..which many are not conscious of. And as Andrew...once told what Jesus Christ ment...when it was Decoded. I am very Glad to meet very Wise people here...as you and James-T-T, and ofcourse...others. Take Care....Be Healthy... Edward... Edward Posted on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 03:40 am:        Hi James-T-T and Lars... I would like to add: Yes de coding. Just like there are writers...who write with "Dubble-Bottom"(suitcase with dubble-bottom)...as we know here. Just like the "TJ"....as mentioned with it's coding done by Billy. It has a Dubble-Bottom. Sometimes you can directly understand a sentance...but sometimes you have to read it some many times...before one may understand what is meant. And just like one can 'decode'...with Numberology..or other means. At times when I read Billy's material...when he has written something.. he is at times speaking with Dubble-Bottom...to me. The ones who can understand it directly...Knows what he means...whereas...ones who do not...will have to read it more then once.(or Not understand)So there is More...to what he is saying...then one may thing! That is why it is for some people very difficult to Understand..what some writers...write. Writing is "an Art" by itself. "And Eduard/Billy is a True Artist!" Take Care...Be Healthy... Edward... Michael Posted on Monday, July 08, 2002 - 02:03 pm:        Hi, Could this article, referring to object 1950 AD, be describing the threat to Earth of a deep impact described in Contact 251? http://www.rense.com/general26/aster.htm Jean Pierre Lagasse Posted on Monday, July 08, 2002 - 04:55 pm:        Hi all, If this is the same object 1950 DA as named by the "science people"... here are a few links. http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/doc/sentry_faq.html#1950da http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/1950da/ The following link does not seem to work with the "newurl/" Discus prefix... or within the Discus command set otherwise. Copy & paste the following into your browser URL address. http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db?name=1950+da&group=all&search=Search Try the zoom and slide bars !!! The above site links (& more) are also at: http://www.eduardmeier.org JP Inger Wikstrom Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 03:03 pm:        Hello Forum, I’ve read 251st Contact and it’s very interesting information indeed. But I just can’t figure out what we are expecting to happen in the next 100 years of all these incidents. What our children can expect to happen in their lifetime. Does anyone know? Regards, Inger Jean Pierre Lagasse Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 06:13 pm:        Hi Inger, I think that the format of 251 is such that we don't really know the time(s). Some of these events could happen very very far into our future. It' not just our children/grandchildren who will witness these events, however... We will be around for these as well. We will read about how 251 was written at this time (in our (present) past). This brings about another interesting question: What have we done (now) to facilitate our access (& acceptance) to the Meier/FIGU materials in our future??? As far as possibilities of known asteroid impacts on the earth for the next 100 years: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/ Just my 2 cents... Regards, JP Jean Pierre Lagasse Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 06:33 pm:        A further thought, although perhaps somewhat out of topic for this forum string: Sentry, being a highly automated "collision monitoring" system... I wonder what other "Extraterrestrial" objects have been detected as well?? I suspect that they may have several databases, some being public, others not. JP Edward Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 12:36 am:        Hi Michael...and All... Hope you are doing fine... Very perceptive of you noticing the news broadcast of the Asteroid that passed our planet. I was very surprised to have heard that on the news when I woke-up. Lucky it was at great distents that it could not do us any harm. Funny, that it was made known at last min...sort of speaking. I did know that there was a big asteroid coming in our direction... for some 3-4 years now. But can not verifty if the one that passed us by..the someone is? Take Care...Be Healthy... Edward... Edward Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 12:44 am:        Hi All... This article made an impression on me when I read it. It reminded me what Billy mentioned concerning "The Desert Will Win/Servive". And Billy mentioning the Over-consumption of the oil, gas and other sources that will be gone...and it will take Millions and Millions of years to get back to it's Natural Level...to provide our Mother Earth for nurishment...and protection. Take Care...Be Healthy. Edward... -------------------------------------------------------- "Earth within 50 years exhausted" LONDON (AP) - If the consumptionpatron in the rich countries in it's present tempo exceeds, the natural sources of the earth will be exhausted within 50 years.This is stated in a report from the World Nature Fonds. The Britishpaper The Observer published sunday a part of the contents. Other planets The report shows that by the cause of humans the past thirty years an estimation of about more then onethird of the natural world has been lost.Forests -which the globlewarmthgas carbon-dioxide takes-up - will be gone at high tempo,the biodiversity on land and in the sea has also gone backwards and also there will be nothing left of many sweetwatersystems. The writers are very sombre concerning the chances of existence for humanity on earth in the long-term. If nothing will change in the coming years, man will have to finally flee to other planets. Because this last can not come into realization, there will be only one thing to do and that is to throw-over our consumptionpatron use and make a pace in the right direction, in this manner mentions WNF. Environmentportection The presentation of this report comes one month ahead of the top for longterm development in South-Africa. There must be made concrete agreements concerning questions as the fight against poverty and protecting the enviornment. The succes of the topconference either stands or falls with the presence of the American president Bush. Because of the great consumptionpatron of the United States this country is in high measure responsible for the lost of the natural helpsources. Even when compared with other western countries America is very royal. Rog Bose Posted on Monday, July 08, 2002 - 07:59 pm:        Dear List Members, What are your thoughts on the information at: www.zetatalk.com or www.planetxvideo.com ? The websites describe a planet that is scheduled to pass by earth causing a pole shift in May, 2003. Zetatalk also has an article on Billy Meier. Describing his contact as valid. Thanks, Rog Shakti Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 10:38 pm:        Hi, Any one have comments on www.zetatalk.com? Thanks, Shakti Jean Pierre Lagasse Posted on Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 09:55 am:        Hi Rog, Shakti, Zetatalk's evaluation of the Meier info is extremely subjective and lacks depth of any sort. In other words, they have not researched the Meier contact information whatsoever and have jumped to conclusions also. If this is an indication of the quality of the rest of their information, I would not waste my time with any of it. The Meier information does involve Extraterrestrials and their craft but this is not the focal point of this contact. The INFORMATION which the Plejarens (& others) have provided through Billy is the interesting stuff. The Meier info represents our "official contact" with the ET races in this time period. Of course, the above is just my own opinion on all of this. Regards, JP Howard Posted on Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 09:23 am:        Zetatalk has only mixed unthruths with their own illogical opinion about billy´s contacts. The small but great lying article about him is completely out of an acceptable spiritweak opinion of him. They only try to hide his contacts and his thruths, just to bring theire own false stories into the false, sick cult-like dimension we live in today. The only thing I can say about zetatalk.com is the following; DELETE. Lonnie Morton Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 12:17 am:        Hi Shakti, JP and Howard are correct in their assertions. Zetatalk is a bunch of nonsensical writings that are false and make believe according to Billy and the Plejarans. There is no such thing as a sudden pole shift, that supposedly will come in May of 2003. A pole shift occurs gradually over hundreds of years. The future north pole will be in Mecca. The author of Zetatalk channels this information, which comes from her own delusions, and not from any reliable source. Many have been influenced by such lies and deceit. However, after May 2003 has come and gone, and no pole shift has occured, then, that should be the END of Zetatalk. Regards, Lonnie Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 01:38 am:        Hi Inger: Very interesting question, in fact, I thought of your question immediately after I finished reading contact note 251 few years ago. I would like to offer my personal calculation for your reference. My personal calculation is based on 'Unified Church' will happen on 2750 A.D. to 2800 A.D. when Mr. Meier reincarnate and again encounter Plajaran, which is based on a contact note in 1989 saying the next Plajaran contact will happen in 761 years. Unfortunately I can not recall which contact note I got that 761 year info. Based on that major assumption, I have come up with some major future event's approximate year, 'Wolf' attacking human beings: 2350 to 2400. First space war between Mars and Earth: 2800 to 2850, there are more events can be calculated base on the assumption, but I will not list those events since my assumption may not be accurate. My assumption is based on that Mr. Meier's spirit form created Christian and Muslim religions, it is only logical for him to 'clean up the mess' he brought to our poor little minds here, and only he has the advanced spiritual power to achieve that goal. Though Mr. Meier will reincarnate more than once before 2750 A.D., but that reincarnation and encountering Plajaran in 2750 A.D. must mean a lot to Plajaran, otherwise Ptaah would not reveal that in contact note. But it is very difficult to find out what will happend in the next 100 year. I am willing to share my own calculation if anyone is interested to know. Other educated guess definitely welcome. In fact, this is the next question I am going to ask Mr. Meier.... Hampton Chiu Jean Pierre Lagasse Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 05:16 pm:        Hi Hampton Chiu... "...I am willing to share my own calculation if anyone is interested to know..." I am quite interested in hearing your thoughts on this... as well as any others !!! Regards, JP Savio Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 09:35 pm:        Hi Hampton I am interested as well Please share your calculation with us Regards Savio Edward Posted on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 03:53 am:        Hi Shakti and Lonnie... Hope you are doing fine Shakti, Lonnie is very correct about Zetatalk. I have been to that site years back...and to me it's just an 'Amusment' site. With Not much Truth. It seems it's all just Bits and Pieces put together...to make it sound good. I would think it is just an 'Analysis' of what the author has Read...etc....over the years? And even how far can one Trust channelers. Take Care...Be Healthy. Edward... James the truthseeker Posted on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 05:40 am:        Greetings everyone, In refering to my earlier posts concerning X-germans-Venusians, I now have reson to believe that George Adamski may have actually faked his photos and his story at the request of a woman friend of his who actually was involved with the X-germans, believing herself to be contacted by venusions, but not wanting to go public with her information. I don't remember her name other then reading that George Adamski was present with her before his death when she filmed a German UFO type craft over Maryland back in 1965. I believe her name was "Alice K. Wells", who agreed instead of being known as a witness rather then a contactee. Lars asked me to post here a German UFO photo from Hugoe Boteonoes in Argentina back in the late 1990s which I have found in my files from a TV show called Strange Universe. Unfortunitly I can't use my username to do this, so I shall try uploading it this way. If this works, enjoy! James the truthseeker. Marc Juliano Posted on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 04:37 pm:        Hi James, I found it curious that you should mention a woman that may have been involved somehow with Adamski and his photos. Here's an unofficial translation of a segment of an article titled "George Adamski: 'Father of UFOs ... or rather 'Pioneer of UFO 'Fib'" by FIGU Core Group member Hans G. Lanzendorfer where something like this was mentioned. But it doesn't mention anything about X-Germans, or that the hoaxing was done by Adamski at her request: "In Contact Report #50 from Sunday, April 6, 1976 in verse 82, Billy posed the following question to Semjase: Billy: Since we're already on (the subject of) Adamski: Did he ever see a spaceship at all? It must be. Because how else would he know that these look very similar to what he had forged in his cardboard and metal models? Semjase then gave him (Billy) the following answer (Verse 83 on): Semjase: He has never seen a spaceship; this was precisely monitored and verified by us to the utmost degree. His knowledge leads back to a conversation with a person who was able to exactly describe these flying devices to him. However, this woman kept silent about her observations of other people which is why she was also never well-known. Adamski produced drawings based on her statements whereupon he subsequently copied (prototyped) his additional drawings and models, etc. and, in a deceptive manner, photographed and distributed them worldwide. He was..." Regards, Marc James the truthseeker Posted on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 06:41 pm:        Greetings Marc, Very interesting! As this information can not be found in Wendelle Steavens contact note translations from Billy, one has to truely wonder just how much Wendelle himself deleted important usefull information. Wendelle obviously had his own opinions without questioning the other possibilities. This brings to mind other things never mentioned by the Plejarans. Perhaps these things to were mentioned but then deleted by Wendelle Steavens. Concerning George Adamski, about the best I can say then is that if he ever did have some real authentic photos, with his fake photos, then the real ones obviously were not his. It's interesting that the Plejarans never mention so far the name of this woman. If Adamski never even saw a UFO, then one must wonder if he really was with her even back then in Maryland in 1965, while she filmed a sighting. Adamski surely would have seized his own opertunity to make a name for himself through the force of will or coercion, upon and using a woman's fear, of her not wanting to go public. Question is, what did she get out of all of this? This would explain the contrast in quality with his different sets of photos and movie film. If I could post them here for comparison, I could show you what I mean. Unfortunitly I can't do this on this forum because the "Adamski Foundation" would not approve of me doing so. Perhaps I can find another way. Salome, James the truthseeker Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:07 am:        Hi JP and Savio: I would post my calculation of future event timeline in several message, since it would be too long if I post in one message. I need to correct some info I mentioned in previous posting, the next high spirit level contact with Plejaran will occure on 2751 A.D., not 2750. And that is the event I assume it will be Mr. Meier's reincarnation meet with Plejarans, thus lead to unify several religions. The information is from contact note 235, if I am correct. In contact note 251, Mr. Meier stated himself that several events are repeated and put them in different sequence in the contact note so that they are not in timeline sequence. So my 2nd major assumption is if there are two similar events in contact note 251, they are the same events. "wolf" attacking event occure 400 year after a major space battle which will eliminate the earth colony on Mars. And in another occasion, contact note 251 mentioned about first space war will occure between earth and Mars, which results elimination of Mars colony, I assume these two events are actually the same event. So first space war with Mars occure around 50 years after unified church event, which is 2751, so that means space war with Mars is around 2800, and animal attack is 400 year before Mars battle, which will be around 2400. Another possible evidence is that Semjase once took Mr. Meier through Bermuda 'warmhole' and reached the earth in the time of 460 years later, that happened around 1980, so they reached the earth in the year of around 2440, 40 years after the wolf attack. Semjase mentioned that at that time earth human beings has devices similar to beam ship already, and is forcing all alien ship to land to be checked upon. Maybe that is because after the wolf attack event, earth people decide to take the highest alert agaist any alien ship to prevent any foreign life form from entering earth. I hope this will not be too boring to other people. Hampton Savio Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:56 am:        Hi Hampton Thanks for the details Regarding the unification of several religions in 2751AD, I cannot locate the related information in contact 235. Could you please give more details? Regards Savio Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 12:19 pm:        Hi Savio: I remember in contact note 235, Ptaah mentioned the next high level spirit contact will occured 761 years later, and that contact note is recorded in 1990, adding 761 years, it will be 2751 A.D. and I make a major assumption that it would be Mr. Meier's spirit reincarnated in the future to encounter Plejarans again and spread the correct Creation knowledge, thus bring the churches unified. Of course I could be wrong in this assumption, the best way to clarify this would be asking Mr. Meier himself, which I plan to do in the next round of question. I will double check the actual wording in contact note 235. Thanks. Hampton Chiu Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 12:29 am:        Hi Edgar Cayce also 'see' some of the future event in his vision. He said that he will reincarnate in 2100, and he later will recoup his ability to access akasha record. Then he will travel to New York City, and see the city is destroyed, people are rebuilding the city. Then he go to Virginia Beach to retrieve his reading records. Also he mentioned Nebraska will border with ocean at that time, that implies the sea level rise a lot at that time. So that also implies third world war occure before 2100. Hampton Chiu James the truthseeker Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 12:16 pm:        Greetings, The next reincarnation of Billy Meier is suppose to happen in 2075 according to the 115th contact which happened on October 19 1978. Salome, James the truthseeker Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 02:23 pm:        Hi James the truthseeker: Your information is correct, but I think Mr. Meier will reincarnate more than once in the future, is that correct? Hampton Chiu Scott B. Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 03:51 pm:        Hello James, Hampton Chiu If you write to the FIGU and ask them when will Billy Meier reincarnate again they will tell you never. If you ask, when will the spirit form which is connected to the personality known as Billy Meier reincarnate, you may get a different answer. Salome Scott Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 10:45 pm:        Hi Scott: You are correct, we have to very careful about our wording, spirit form is the right word. Thanks for reminding me. Hampton blerim Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 12:14 pm:        hi ,who knows something about.. ....the fate of colonel Fawcett? ..who disappeared into the Brazilian jungle years ago while searching for traces of a long lost Atlantean civilisation!? blerim Scott B. Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 08:44 am:        Hello Hampton Your welcome. The reason I mentioned it, is because it has come up before and has lead to misunderstandings. This might be a good question to ask when the next round of questions to Billy comes up. Salome Scott Baxter JAY Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 02:45 pm:        This FYI is for the Planet earth Topic, here below is something good to be aware of: Melting Alaskan Glaciers Raise Sea Level Fri Jul 19, 3:25 PM ET By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Alaska's glaciers are melting so badly that they are raising the world's overall sea level more than any other single source, scientists said on Friday. The melting glaciers are responsible for at least 9 percent of the rise in the world's sea level over the past century -- adding more than one-tenth of a millimeter (.04 inch) each year to overall sea level, the researchers said. That is far more than anyone thought, and more than what was produced by what was until now believed to be the biggest single known source -- the melting Greenland ice sheet. "Most glaciers have thinned several hundred feet at low elevations in the last 40 years and about 60 feet at higher elevations," Keith Echelmeyer, a glaciologist at the University of Alaska Fairbanks Geophysical Institute who led the study, said in a statement. "Data from our study indicates that Alaska glaciers are contributing the most to the sea level rise that has been measured," said Anthony Arendt, a graduate student listed as first author on the study. BE WELL all James the truthseeker Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 11:02 pm:        Greetings everyone, My further finding concerning the real contactee of the George Adamski contacts was actually a woman by the name of "Madeleine Rodeffer" in Silver Springs Maryland. There she filmed a German type UFO on February 26, 1965. Though Adamski claimed to be present at the time, this is questionable. As seen in my previous post, Hugo Boteonoes in Argentina filmed a strikingly similar UFO about 30 years later. Though this one may also be a copy of Madeleine's film, Argentina like Brazil, is a country where these German UFOs are still reported to be be seen. Salome, James the truthseeker. E. Visser Posted on Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 12:36 pm:        Hi James.You are correct about the movie.It's copyrighted by Madeleine Rodeffer. What I find personally interesting is that part of the ship in the movie seems to fade out.Since it was very hard to fake movies at that time it points more to light being bended around a high-gravity source. Regards,TerraX. Norman L. DeCindis Posted on Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 02:51 pm:        Did Billy or the Plejarens ever say anything about Madeleine Rodeffer? I wonder if Billy would confirm the Adamski type ship as Giza? James the truthseeker Posted on Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 11:59 pm:        Greetings Norm, As far as I know now, the Plejarans never actually mentioned Madeleine Rodeffer name in realation to Adamski, the X-germans, contacts, etc. Though they did say UFOs or craft were involved of which Adamski did get some of his information. Weather the Plejarans and Billy actually mention the Adamski type craft as being German or Gizeh remains to be seen. Salome. James the truthseeker Phil McAiney Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 01:35 pm:        From the 2nd Contact with Semjase, George Adamski was castigated over and over for copying and manipulating UFO shots. They actually look quite ridiculous. They apparently got the better of him on his deathbed and he wrote a confession of how he faked them all. But this letter was shown to Billy only and he did not keep it. I asked for it and was told this in 1998. It would be very useful now, for sure, though Adamski has fallen out of favour. Norm Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 03:38 pm:        Phil, What exactly do you mean by Billy saw a letter? You mean the Plejarens got him a hidden copy from somewhere and returned it before anyone knew? Please Explain, if you know any more? "They apparently got the better of him" Who? Norm Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 04:52 pm:        OK, I've found this on Adamski in Message from the Pleiades, Volume 3, page 60. "Meier- Now yet once more a question concerning the dear George Adamski: has he ever seen a spaceship or beamship, and are his photos altogether falsifications? Semjase- Your question is once more illogical, for I have answered it to you already several times. Meier- I know. You said that he has never himself seen a beamship, nor even a spaceship, as well no explorers or telemeter discs. According to your information, he has built from the information of a woman, who once saw a beamship, different models etc. of a size of about 30 cm, with the help of which he then produced the pictures. But what about his pictures, are they all false? Semjase- Certainly, this is doubtless so. Meier- Okay, you once told me that Adamski shortly before his death had troubled himself to assure for posterity, that he had been a charlatan. From your information, he would have witnessed this by a writing and signed it himself. Have you found out now, where this paper is, and is it possible that I can get a look at it? Semjase- You Have to have some patients still, because we have only small indications regarding the person who keeps the paper. But be sure, it will be accessible within the time of one year." Norm Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 05:28 pm:        I found this on Madeleine Rodeffer. "While Adamski's inner circle had given up on him, a small faithful following continued among the general public. In 1964 Madeleine Rodeffer of Silver Spring, Maryland invited him to stay with her and her husband Nelson while he found other circumstances. On Friday, 26 February, 1965, a most unusual event took place. Sometime between 3pm and 4pm, Madeleine and George looked through the dining room window and noticed what appeared to be a small craft hovering back and forth over the trees." You can read the rest here. http://www.world-destiny.org/cv7myex.htm I also just found this on Adamski. George Adamski - the first dis-information agent? I quote George C Andrews on George Adamski: "By mixing a certain amount of the real thing with a certain amount of nonsense, then presenting it scrambled up together to be accepted or rejected as a whole, it is possible to make an unfamiliar subject matter seem repugnant and unfit for study by intelligent people, while attracting the ignorant like flies.." So was Adamski a dis-information agent or profiteer? Let's have a look at the "proof". Read the rest here, http://www.mysterymag.com/html/george_adamski.html Edward Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 11:38 am:        Hi Norm...and All... Nice Stuff you have posted concerning Adamski Norm! Well, I once heard that there was a Women in the Game. So, it is True about that woman..Madeleine Rodeffer. I have seen some of his footage...but I find it very very terrible! I could see that it is a Fake...those footages. And his pictures...some look real....many do not. "But NO ONE beats Billy's proof!" Well, I guess Adamski did Earn More selling his Non-True encounters than selling his Hamburgers.(at his hamburger stand.) If I am correct...it was mentioned earlier back in this form that Adamski may have been a Disinformation-Agent. As he had a Royal burial when he died. Take Care...Be Healthy....Norm. Edward... E. Visser Posted on Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 12:53 pm:        Hi all.There's also a story that Adamski made wine in the US during the bootleg years and got legal permission for it under the disguise of religious expression,but now seriously. Adamski's first and perhaps most well known contact was in the desert on 20 November,1952. Six of Adamski's friends witnessed the event and signed affidavits testifying to that event.If what Semjase states is the truth than the other six persons were lying.The affidavits go as follows: "I,the undersigned, do solemly state that I have read the account herein of the personal contact between George Adamski and a man from another world, brought here in his Flying Saucer-'Scout' ship.And that I was party to, and witness to the event as herein recounted." Signed by; Alice Wells Lucy McGinnis Alfred and Betty Bailey George and Betty Hunt Williamson In 1979 when Lucy McGinnis was interviewed she still persists that what transpired was true. Just some information for you. Regards,TerraX. Edward Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 11:04 am:        Hi Terra-V... Hope you are doing fine... Yes, what you have posted in very known to me. I have read some of his books. Very interesting ofcouse. Well, concerning his witnesses; he did have them as you have mentioned. And if they are 'Reliable'...? What can I say? As we all know here on the board...Travis Walton also had his groep of witnesses. If there are 'Too Many', like witnesses in a Groep....I tend not to trust that everytime. But if the Plejarans tell us that Adamski was a Fake(and others). I have No problem accepting that. Without a doudt. I always thought that it was about time to 'Make Clean Ship'. And to be honest....that's what Attracted me to Billy also. He was the first person to have the "Guts" to make the Fakes known! "I take my hat off for him!" Take Care...Be Healthy. Edward... E. Visser Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 12:55 pm:        Hi Edward.If there are 6 persons pointing in one direction and 1 person is pointing in the oppesite direction I tend to believe the majority. I'm sorry to say this but to accept everything what another person or group says without a doubt is dangerous,because than another makes conclusions for you. Regards,TerraX. Lars Posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:31 pm:        Hi, E.Vissier Maybe these alledged Venusians who supposedly contacted Adamski were Nazi Germans from Brazil? Ptaah had mentioned that there existed these Germans who contacted earthmen and pretended that they were extraterrestrials from the stars and even tell them they were God sent angels to rescue earthmen, and isn't this the kind of contact messages Adamski and others of his line claimed to have recieved? I guess the only way to REALLY know about all of these uncertain issues is to have a NEW CONTACTEE who can produce undeniable evidence to counter the accusations from the opposing side. Lars E. Visser Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:30 pm:        Hi Lars.The so-called Venusians who contacted Adamski and Menger and others didn't claim to be angels send by God.If you read the stories you'll find that they tell off reincarnation and the universe being the highest order,Creator.It's not that much different from what the Plejarans tell us. I find it remarkable that a lot of you dismiss those cases while there are many similarities with Mr.Meier's case. Regards,TerraX.

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