| Author | Message | ||
    Rob G |
Isn't it possible that by opposing war with Iraq in it self is the start of WWIII or should one strive to maintain peace at the expense of the Iraqi ideals? Since it has offen been said that WWIII is to come petition or no petition how can anyone say they are doing the right thing here. More people are likely to die from rogue weapons then they are in an attack from America and even more die still for not even having the right to freely vote on which ever person. You should be free from retrobution in regards to government opposition and the basic right to a humane and honorable life but I see none of these things in Iraq. In America often the public are sickened at the freedoms people in jail have in comparison to the lives they have taken and again I ask how do you know what you are doing is right? Are not the actions you take, the decision you make and all the peoples live that have been affected (Iraqi people) important? We sit here in warm chairs, in warm homes ignorant with an over abundance of misguided (CNN and FOX) and over-thought ideals and aren't we really the ones to blame? How do you know that the desicion you make on a global scale is the correct one? | ||
David Everett Chance |
“WWIII is to come petition or no petition”. With this reasoning then, I should stop eating, stop drinking, sit down in my warm chair and wait for my inevitable death, because “death is to come, petition or no petition”. Why should I bother living if I am going to inevitably die. Why should I strive to maintain peace when war will inevitably come. Why should I clean my toilet when it is only going to get dirty again. Why should I strive to oppose, stall & prevent the actions of state-authorized criminals (i.e. capital punishment, overt & covert operations against sovereign nations, economic slavery, psychological manipulation through patriotic propaganda & blind nationalism)…when inevitably there will be new power-obsessed degenerate leaders in “free” and “third-world” nations to take their place. “More people are likely to die from rogue weapons than they are in an attack from America”. Since those rogue weapons were likely in part supplied by America, as is the case with Iraq, then America is also responsible for those rogue weapons being in the hands of the tyrants in the first place, yes? “and even more die still for not even having the right to freely vote on which ever person”. I thought I had a free vote in the American elections of 2000. That vote was deemed worthless and inconsequential (as was every other American voter’s) when the Supreme Court hijacked the election process and illegally placed the current tyrant into office. “How do you know that the decision you make on a global scale is the correct one?” When decisions on a person-to-person scale are correct, then decisions on a global scale will be correct as well. This is how to change the world…change yourself first. | ||
Marc Juliano |
Hi Rob G., Going to war with Iraq may be one of the first in a series of blows/strikes that could be perpetrated by the U.S. on other nations, as was prophesied by Meier well before 1995, where he wrote "On a broader scale, expect a blow (strike) involving the USA and its president, which will stun the entire world." In my opinion, the implications are much more serious than the U.S. government estimates in its inane, short-sighted, fear-rooted plans, since it may be the USA alone--a country populated over 75% by Christians--or with minimal international support (militarily) which will wage war on a nation that is populated over 97% by Muslims... and it is intending to do this in a preemptively aggressive fashion. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Muslim world will more than take notice of this and see this as nothing more than a thinly veiled act of pure aggression toward Islam, among other things, possibly setting the stage for something quite disastrous in the future. There's a (German) booklet containing prophecies for the third millenium called "Enoch's Prophecies" (presented by a Plejaran named Quetzal) and it will soon be available in English. If/When you read this, you'll see that the possibilites are far more horrible than the damage that any "rogue weapons", which you speak of, could ever cause. No matter how depressing the prospects, I suggest anyone to read it so the eyes can be opened a bit more to the current situation and how it could very well pave the way to a terrible future. Also, the recent article on G.W. and the Reader's Question by Billy Meier on the English home page of FIGU's site are in my view so precise and hit the nail on the head that I urge all to read it closely (more than once, if possible). Regards, Marc | ||
Mark Gilbo New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 09-2002 |
Since most people are against a war with Iraq, at what point does the world go in and take Saddam out? At what point would Billy or the Plajarens consider to take him out?? I read somewhere in this forum that Billy and the Plajarens favored the last war with Iraq because of what Saddam did. I also read that we are told by the Plajarens not to trust Saddam and that he is secretly making weapons. | ||
Matthew Hurley New member Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2001 |
Lets put it this way, if no physical action is taken against Saddam, what's the chances of him having a nuclear weapon 10-15 yrs down the line? What are we all going to say then? Matt | ||
Norm New member Post Number: 522 Registered: 02-2000 |
Mark, There seems to be a fine line on this. Now it seems like the Bush Admin. is only trying to enforce the UN Resolution, from the first Iraq war so the Plejarens should be still on our side if Saddam violated it. | ||
Ignacio Olivieri New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2003 |
Greetings to All: Is my understanding from what I have read in the book Yet They fly that the overall intentions and mission of our friends from afar is for our backwards species to start realizing that our way of living is not getting it done and that we must strive to progress and evolve into doing the right things that will bring peace and harmony amongst ourselves and then we can achieve what the Plejarans have alredy accomplished. It is with much sadness that we can't see what we have wrought to us and our planet. Taking out the enemies is not the answer. Why we may ask and this is simple. As soon as you remove one dictator or despot, another one comes in at a later date and time and the issues of war are replayed over and over. We have been at war since day one amongst ourselves and is due to our ignorance of the truths and the deception of the false teachings of religions thru out our history. There have been more wars fought over religion ideologies than any other issues that has permeated our planet. As the book explains and with some looking into the messages and contact info that they have provided thru Billy I cannot see why this topic of the coming war is the big deal. We should be asking ourselves and questioning our so called leaders why do we need to start a war where a group of peoples will suffer at the expense of a commodity and furthering the agenda of warmongers. We should be out enmass thru out our planet protesting and demonstrating to all these leaders that we cannot tolerate wars, pollution and all of the bull thats going on. It seems far fetch but in numbers there is strength and we the people must show and get rid of the leaders and start a new. I hope that this message can convey an impartial and open mind to what is all about. There is a purpose to our being here and we should strive to ascend to a higher plane of consciousness and evolving in a true peaceful and harmonious manner. I for one would like to be where our friends from the pleiadis are and will be striving to get to.Thank you. Give peace a chance | ||
Mark Gilbo New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 09-2002 |
Hi Ignacio, There is no doubt that I and most in this group agree with you on Iraq, religion and the other info. Being an American I don't want to see a war anywhere on earth even though the media makes it sound that all or most Americans want war. Peace is the first choice but you still didn't answer the question... After giving peace a chance, at what point does one realize that there will be no peace with Iraq or any country at that? Unfortunately we just can't zap a dictator up in our UFO and ship him off to another planet like the Plejarens. Are you better capturing him and sending him to a small cell forever or leaving him in to starve and kill the people of Iraq? Either way people will die. Are we not crazy for doing or allowing either one??? As Matt stated above, do we leave him in power to buy or create nuclear weapons? The US just bought billions of $ in weapons from Russia that they were going to sell to the world for quick cash. Is it possible that an irrational longing for peace could cloud ones judgement for war and when to use it?? Just a thought since we know irrational thinking is alway's used to provoke war. | ||
Ed Unregistered guest |
Hi David, Marc and Mark.. Yes...we Are in Days of Worriment. As I Do wonder if Mr.Bush and Mr.Powell come up with Real True "Proof" that Saddam Truely has what they have been telling all of us. And that they do Not come.. with "Assumptions" that Saddam still has "Weapons Of Mass Destruction". As The war against him over a decade ago...and as the USA and it's allies bombarded what was to their Assumption..a Chemical/Biological weapons factory..which turned out to be a "Milk Factory"...as was told by the Irak people in that community. From Common-Sense and Logic... One can Acknowledge...that that So-Called Chemical/Biological factory..IF it Truely was that...That Whole Area would be "Contaminated" with Poison-gases etc...and that No One would even be standing there...making the Reports as many News reporters have done and even the people of that community. Yes, Some Western countries have made "The Monster of Frankenstein" once again...and Now The Monster was out to Destroy...It's Creator.(All the Western and Eastern countries Providing...IT.. with It's Weaponary..etc....) But Some of us may Know....that The Dragon was/is Slain...and Now the Dragon Slayers...want The Dragons Cave and it's Territory! And take Over...Now....the Roll..of the Slained Dragon. Our World is Making Many Hard Changes..and Alas..as in the past...the Changes Manifest...with Much Violence...which seems to be Man's Way..to Enter and Transend to another Leven...of Being...and Existing. One can only take...Each day...as being more Presious..than gold. "As Life Is Above....Any Material worthiness." Peace Be With All... Edward. | ||
mgilbo1 Unregistered guest |
Hi Ignacio, There is no doubt that I and most in this group agree with you on Iraq, religion and the other info. Being an American I don't want to see a war anywhere on earth even though the media makes it sound that all or most Americans want war. Peace is the first choice but you still didn't answer the question... After giving peace a chance, at what point does one realize that there will be no peace with Iraq or any country at that? Unfortunately we just can't zap a dictator up in our UFO and ship him off to another planet like the Plejarens. Are you better capturing him and sending him to a small cell forever or leaving him in to starve and kill the people of Iraq? Either way people will die. Are we not crazy for doing or allowing either one??? As Matt stated above, do we leave him in power to buy or create nuclear weapons? The US just bought billions of $ in weapons from Russia that they were going to sell to the world for quick cash. Is it possible that an irrational longing for peace could cloud ones judgement for war and when to use it?? Just a thought since we know irrational thinking is alway's used to provoke war. | ||
Mark Gilbo New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 09-2002 |
If I was Iraq, I would create nuclear weapons also. Why?? Because the only way to get a fare shake with the US is to prove that you can harm them in some way. Look at how they are approaching North Korea. Ever since they claimed nuclear capability the US has tried everything to negotiate with them. Isn't it funny how that works. The sad part is that Im an American. I have been to many places in the world and have seen what the US Gov't and Companies do to the less fortunate. Too bad the people are brainwashed like the Germans were in their day. Just my 2 cents...Mark | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 219 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Mark, Yes, I Fully Agree with what you have said. There should be a "Balance" sothat No country can "Misuse" their Dominate Powers Structures. When we look back at that Same Attitude of the Cold War the West and East manifested in many decades ago...That Balance...did Stop both sides from Offending one and other. Yes, sometimes Politics is just like Religion; the mass seem to "Believe" almost everything their leaders say...instead of Seeking The Truths...for themselves...Alas. Edward. | ||
Mark Campbell Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 06-2000 |
Here is a website dedicated to preventing the impending War . You can sign a petition , organize a phone in schedule , post comments , and otherwise communicate with like minded Americans . http://www.moveon.com/ Salome , Mark Campbell | ||
James the truthseeker Member Post Number: 193 Registered: 06-2002 |
As you know, America is on the brink of war against Iraq. President George Bush is ignoring the world governing body -- the United Nations -- and is pressing on with his need for war. But Mr. Bush cannot ignore the millions of peace-loving people from all over the world who are letting their voices be heard. Let your voice be heard. Simply pass this e-Petition for Peace in Iraq to at least 10 of your friends - including the person who sent this to you - and we will forward this Plea for Peace to the President of the United States. If you feel that the killing of innocent, poverty-stricken and oppressed men, women and children in Iraq and the potential loss of soldiers is highly unnecessary and immoral, then please make your voice heard -- tell the President of the United States NO to war! Please go to: http://www.NoToWarWithIraq.com/letter.php and register your e-Petition for Peace in Iraq. This registration will generate an automatic e-mail which is sent directly to President Bush's office. Thank you. | ||
Especialsov New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2003 |
Greetings to all This is an answer to Mark above. Yes you have a very valid point on the difference that the United States is dealing with Korea than with Iraq. But one question do you think that by escalating arms (tit for tat)will resolve anything. Another question does having nuclear arms really accomplish anything. As in the past they have been used and Im not talking about Hiroshima. Thanks Give peace a chance | ||
Mark Gilbo Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 09-2002 |
Hi Especialsov, My statement was said only to show an Iraqi or Korean point of view which is "if I produce nuclear weapons, the US will respect us a LITTLE bit more and not bomb me" I don't think that any escalation in arms will solve any problems and by no means did I state that, but without those arms such as nuclear, you are vulnerable to the US control. If the whole world was united and protected the weak, it would then be a different story but obviously that isn't happening. I would rather cure the insanity in this world first before we rid ourselves of weapons. The problem is can we do it fast enough before we blow each other up? That is questionable... | ||
Jay Member Post Number: 185 Registered: 01-2002 |
Hi All, Dismantling our own goverment for a new breed of clear and creative thinking humans could be the best try at this time for us. Old Goverment leaders are not going to give up the money or the oil and use the excuse and have us brain wash into thinking that this is the best thing for a foolish economy and good for the people instead of our planet. Patriotic Americans should see this in the better light or else they will still stay blind to this game and insanity. This is all part of the Capitalist agenda which will keep all those Capitalist pigs running the world. Dismantling them by not buying and selling goods is the answer in one aspect of the game and they may be other ways to cancel out this world pattern of greed. A good example which I think may work well would be that of dismantling the Coca Cola company, if all humans in so called America stop buying Coke I am sure that will cause a down fall for the owners of the company and they will dismantle the poison because many choose to change there conciousness to having a long healthy body and mind. If this idea is placed upon the minds of many around the world surely this may turn around for better of our world. | ||
Blue New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello World: I'm a new member living in the US. I've been emailed notifications via Michael Horn that are alleged to be written by Billy Meier based on information he evidently has received from the Plejarans and an entity named Quetzal. These documents are quite hateful towards Americans. I found this to be astonishing since the theme of Quetzal's wish - as stated in a Contact Report #215, February 28, 1987 - seemed to me to be about love, peace and tolerance. Politically, I'm a registered Democrat, which is generally considered to be the Liberal faction in the States. I did not vote for President Bush, but I accept the outcome of the election nevertheless. I am vehemently opposed to going to war with Iraq at this time unless Saddam Hussein authorizes something extremely violent as most believe he is capable of doing. I was heartened last month when I heard the people of the world were going to demonstrate against war. I naively believed this was a global message to ALL leaders of armed nations. I wasn't prepared to witness the collective hatred that was focused on President Bush and American citizens. The message broadcast is the world wants Americans to die and the country to cease existence. America is the evilest country in the history of mankind and the source of all the suffering in the world today. I saw lots of people waving signs and burning our flag, but where were the signs and burning flags against Hussein, Bin Laden, Arafat, Sharon, Pyongyang, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and King Fahd to name a few? Are they not as culpable as the world judges America to be? These documents outlined many violent acts perpetrated by the US, but failed to balance that criticism with the horror and carnage European, Middle Eastern and Asian sovereign states have inflicted upon the earth over countless millennia. I would think beings outside our planet or dimension would be more enlightened. But no. They sound like editorial writers from a daily newspaper who have an axe to grind against the US as a corporate policy. Add to that, the website "And Yet they Fly" urges readers to Buy Online full color print posters and other earth shaking messages from Billy/Quetzal/Plejarans/Michael, whatever, and offers links to Media and Public Relations, segment ideas, interview questions, extraterrestrial spaceship sound downloads, you name it - they sell it! Sounds an awful lot like free enterprise, capitalism and, dare I say it? The American Way!!! God love ya! You hate us, but you gotta admit - there's something about us that makes people envious. In closing - dear people, I accept my Countrymen and Leaders have done some awful things and will probably do so again. We are only human, prone to stumble and stupidity at times. We are not alone. But finger pointing is counter-productive. It makes one too defensive to want to advance. Personally, I think the Ten Commandments and The Golden Rule are a decent foundation to build upon. And I don't need an Alien's advice on that. What do you all think? | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 527 Registered: 02-2000 |
Blue, I agree with some of your post. I too have been shocked by Billy's attacks on the USA over the years. I would prefer a more balanced view instead of what seems like a Euro-centric view. All I can say is, there must be a ton of bad things about our country that doesn't seem to make it to the U.S. News Media. Capitalism seems to be eating up the world and spitting it out, with no regard for anything. The real war on terrorism starts on the American Border not in Iraq. The U.S. Borders are wide open ( http://www.vdare.org/malkin/borders.htm ) anyone can still sneak into this country with a bomb, but yet both political parties won't do anything about it, because it will hurt their slave wage labor pool from Mexico, plus it helps curie votes from the Ethnic political lobbies, and there are a ton of them. The current Democrat & Republicans parties that box out any Third Parties attempt to rise up, seem to feel that the American Citizen is not as important as the Corporations welfare. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 233 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Blue... Welcome to the Figu-Discussion-Board. Well, I see you have done Some reading and have noticed many things from Billy Meier's contacts. Please....read abit more...when/if you have time. Then you will come to Reason and Understanding what is mentioned concerning America...and other countries which is Also mentioned in Billy's materials. So, Billy does not only speak of America. It just seems today and from past events... America(her government(s)) had made some decisions which have Influenced the whole world, in such a manner that the Consequences is very difficult to Remedy. Many times I have wondered:" How would the Great Explorer Enrico Americo..react to His name being used for a Mighty Country that is named after him?" Which was changed from Americo to America. Would he be Proud? Or Sad?? Or Both?? Ofcourse the Peoples of America have made very much good progress in their evolution and made it what it has become today. Which One would Acknowldge her as being On The Top of Technology and so forth. But, Alas...just as in many other countries in the world, True Creational Spirituality Consciouness..is of Lack. Which may only, take her in Directions of being Lost...from the True Path of Life and it's Existance...and Meaning. Concerning "Capitalism": Well, The Peoples of FIGU...did not "Invent" Capitalism. If you read abit more of Billy's materials you will come to understanding how he feels and thinks of the Money system..and many other things. We all live in a "Monetary-System" and can Not go around it. To servive..One Has to Earn...to have food and other necessaries to make it throught One's lifetime. Which Speaks for it self...I would say. I still, Personally think, the Monetary-System can be utilzed in a Much more Balanced Manner...than the one we Call "Captialism-System", but again, this is my own opinion. I can only advise you to Purchase Billy's Books... which have very very much more Insight and Details to thinks which I think you will be Eager to know about. Oh yes, concerning your:" the Ten Commandments and The Golden Rule", Please check out this link on the FIGU-site. ww .billymeier.com/Spiritual_Laws_Commands.html Edward. | ||
Jamestseeker Member Post Number: 195 Registered: 06-2002 |
Greetings Blue, From a Canadian point of view, the only thing I can think of to feel envious about concerning the USA is Hawaii and perhaps that's why we like Cuba. Other then that, we already have our own Hollywood North and Good health care. Now from a personal perspective, I feel the USA would infact be regarded as a great nation if they where to look for new "constructive" rather then "destructive" solutions for old problems. For example: The need to finance new projects to bring about these new solutions for the world such as: -Introduce and disclose new sources of energy, much of which already exists. -To present to and with the united nations, a new constitution for Earth. -Have all leadership decisions within the USA always voted by its people as such all decisions of the world should be voted by all countries of the world. -Focus more on space travel to Mars etc. -disclose all government information in regards to UFOs It really is not hard to think of constructive solutions to become a great nation for Earth. The USA is not the land of the free in regards to its economic dictatorship which it excersise on its own people with a large co-dependency of wealth which it calls the "American dream". For a country that feels its need to police the world, it also has the third largest crime rate in the world with the exceptions of South Africa and Columbia. The plejarans did make mention of other world leaders besides G.W.Bush as being concerns for all of humanity such as Yessir Arafat, Saddam Hussien and Ariel Sheron. Perhaps what Billy and the plejarans is trying to tell us is that kicking up a storm is not a solution to stop a potential hurricane! At this time, the first cause potential danger point for the world is a USA presedent which in this case is G.W.Bush. Should we get through this potential danger point, then in about 8 years from now, the second potential danger point will involve a Pope which will probably be an even greater challange for the European Union and the world in these times to come. So in this case, Billy is not just pointing at the Americans. Peace in knowing, James the truthseeker | ||
Barreto Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 04-2002 |
Dear Blue, This is for all the world war lovers to make them think. 10 COMMANDMENTS TO LIVE IN PEACE 1- LOVE CREATION ABOVE ALL THINGS AND THE NATURE AS THYSELF. 2- THOU SHALL NOT DEFEND NATURE IN VAIN WITH EMPTY WORDS BUT TROUGH YOUR ACTS. 3- THOU SHALL KEEP THE FORESTS VIRGIN BECAUSE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON THEM. 4- THOU SHALL HONOUR ALL FORMS OF LIFE, NOT ONLY HUMAN LIFE. 5- THOU SHALL NOT KILL IN DEGENERATION. 6- THOU SHALL NOT SIN AGAINST THE PURITY OF THE AIR YOU BREATH BY LETTING THE POLLUTING FACTORIES TO POLLUTE THE AIR WHERE THE CHILDREN PLAY. 7- THOU SHALL NOT STEAL FROM THE EARTH IT LAYER OF HUMUS, SCRAPING IT WITH A TRACTOR CONDENMING THE SOIL TO STERILITY. 8- THOU SHALL NOT RISE FALSE TESTIMONY STATING THAT THE PROGRESS JSUTIFY YOUR CRIMES. 9-THOU SHALL NOT WISH TO YOUR FELLOWMEN THAT THE FOUNTAINS AND RIVERS GET POISONED WITH INDUSTRIAL RESIDUES AND CHEMICAL DEJECTS. 10- THOU SHALL NOT DESIRE OBJECTS AND FANCY ADORNMENT WHOSE FABRICATION DEPENDS ON THE DESTRUCTION OF THE EARTH'S LANDSCAPE, AND THE DESTRUCTION OF THE ECOSYSTEM THAT ALSO BELONGS TO FUTURE HUMMAN BEINGS THAT STILL ARE TO BE BORN. Moderator: Hello Jose, thanks for your posting. Question: One (or more) of these "commandments" of course look familiar. But from where do you derive most of these? Thanks. FROM JOSE BARRETO SILVA . |
