| Author | Message | ||
    Norm |
If White Lyrian is the Root Race of most Human races, if not all, then why are White genes recessive? You would think it would be the other way around. Anyone have any thoughts on this? | ||
JAY |
Hi Norm, Yes this being a Scientifical fact to us as our observations in science goes, it is much stated that the gods mentioned in the Talmud bring in more information to the creation of the three different races. As I understand it, it seems the Brown or darker races on the planet are original to this planet alone do to the Sun type we have here in this solar system, the other Lyrans and the Vegan races coming here through all the ancient times is what uplifted the development of the exisitng types, this is just written in a simple general text. BE WELL Norm  | ||
Marc Juliano |
Hi Norm, I'm curious as to where you have derived the idea that the root race of most human races is the white race of the Lyrians. Can you explain? Thanks, Marc | ||
Norm |
Marc, I think I had this discussion with someone about the way Billy words these? The = part was added by I think you Marc or someone from Figu at the forum. Original Genetic Manipulators = Human Intelligences from Sirius Creator-Overlords = Human Intelligences from Sirius Sirius-region "creator-overlords" = Human Intelligences from Sirius "Benefactors = People who used to be one and the same with the Human Intelligences from Sirius, however they sympathized with the genetically altered races (I'll call them "GEN races" for short) and helped them escape from Sirius. They came to the SOL system with the GEN races and lived among them, although they did misuse the GEN races for their own purposes now and then. Genetically-altered Individuals , does this include all of earth's races? All races on Earth, without exception, are genetically altered humans that descend from the original GEN races." I'm assuming that since Lyrians are White or White skinned, they are the original root race/Ur-ancestry for all human types, and Sirians are their relatives. There really has been no clarification on this, like I said years ago it would be helpful if we had some ET chart that we could look at and know how this all plays out as far as earth humans relate to the different ETs. In the TJ it mentions 3 human races, I felt they were created by Lyrians also or some other group that is related to them. Any claification is more than welcome. | ||
Marc Juliano |
Hi Norm, I removed the lengthy extract you made from Contact 251. You can link or refer to the paragraph for something that's readily available on the Web. Keep in mind that the term "Lyrian" refers to a region that encompasses many stars and planets. For instance, Taljda (a Lyrian) is from the planet Njssan in the Lyra system. This planet is inhabited by the yellow-skinned races whose origins go back to a planet called Kudra. The Lyrians, as I understand, are probably about as diverse in skin color as the people on Earth. Regards, Marc | ||
JAY |
Hi Marc and Norm, It is understood that many of these races have been here in migration for many ancient times(Lyran/Orion/DAL/PLEADES/SIRIUS), however it always strikes me strange that I never see a PLEJARAN of Brown or African colored complexion in any of the Contacts Billy had all throughout his life. The only one in which I have noticed closest to brown or African (Black) descent is MENARA and yet she is one in which is described as a EUROPEAN Hottentot Descent which her ancestry has been taken into the cosmos in a time past and through the mixing she has become the product of who she is. She may have a latin look or a fairskinned appearance. I do understand diversity but is almost never clear to me if they are many groups out there who resemble a truer African complexion, in the raw sense....BLUE BLACK as the color of midnight maybe or African American. Color is never an issue for me, is only my curiosity of never reading in any of the contact notes of PLEJARANS or for that matter Humans in the cosmos who are truly of "dark skinned" complexion. Is this just the way things are in the other worlds or is planet Earth the only planet who has a high concentration of Truer Darker brown complexion humans ?? I may be missing details on this but correct me if I am wrong or do fill me in on anything which I may have never read up on diversities of Humans . BE WELL Marc & Norm | ||
Norm |
Marc, "The Lyrians, as I understand, are probably about as diverse in skin color as the people on Earth." I understand that now they are different colors, but what about the original Ur race? Ok maybe Lyrian is the wrong term, how about Enochs people? If thats not the right term, then who ever the first original humanoid form that the others came from? Jay, I see I'm not the only one interested in this subject. I think we need to see how this subject relates to all of us. How the different ETs races plays out here IMO is very interesting. Which groups are natural evolved and which groups are mixed with which groups. I always thought if the different Earth races could intermix then they are from the same Ur stock. I guess this is my next question to Billy, but I feel we need a history lessen to get the answer. I'm sure there is more of this stuff in Billy's other books. | ||
JAY |
Hi Norm, This is something that has been on my mind for along time dealing with the PLEJARAN MISSION and Billy's Physical contacts with SEMJASE and the others, it seems that there is not one who is of natural brown colored or of Darker hue. Has there always been groups outside of the planet earth who are never of Brown or black skinned complexion??, is known that American Indians as a whole share the common ancestry from the stars which means that their ancestors are as some groups of them term the Pleaides star cluster, so the conclusion to this maybe that the RED race according to the Talmud are non other than the American indian races and for that matter many Indian races including that of the East European descendancy. Here in America as an example there are groups of African Americans who do not associate themselves with the White races in general, they seem throughout the 50' and 60's found their own beliefs as to who they are and will tell us all that they are the original race on planet earth. Seing that the PLEJARANS and other groups have come here in ancient times and making their mark with the Sumerians and other Egyptian civilizations, it points out that most of them according to certain Sumerian texts point to the idea or facts that these civilizations are created by ET's of dark complexion or of American Indian resemblance or were always considered the ANUNNAQI. There are other African races which are here and also claimed to have ancestors from the stars. In conclusion to my comments made here, it has come to the attention for the past 50 or more years these PLEJARANS and other groups have been of white or Aryan or of all these Blue eyed Blonde groups. So is it possible for us to really know now where they may be groups of the likes of Africans or African Americans as an example who come from PLEJARAN worlds?. These things are not clear to any of us I think. BE WELL Norm | ||
Norm |
Jay, Like I said before lets have a family tree, see who came from where and how it relates to us. Only Billy could do this for us, since he has the best source. I think this is one aspect of Billys contacts that have been overlooked. But maybe not, if its written in his German books. There are a lot of Debunkers that love to say, isn't it funny that Billy's Alien friends all happen to be Aryans, as if to say he's part of some racist UFO cult like the Silver Shirts of the 1930's. | ||
JAY |
Hi Norm, This is the point I was making that people will make this look like is a racist one agenda group thing for the PLEJARANS which I think is not since the FAMILY TREE as you pointed out should be designed by the PLEJARANS and given to Billy to get a good accurate account of who is who or where is our blood and DNA lines have been mixed some many times with what ET groups. In the next round of Question you should bring this up to him, maybe there is a possible solution by creating a good as accurate as possible chart BE WELL Norm | ||
Linda Williams |
Dear Norm and Jay, I have been reading and re-reading with interest your discussion above, the Family Tree vs. the Racist Agenda, or something like that. NORM, I do hope that you will formulate your question for Billy on the next round of questions to him. As forthright as I perceive you to be, I have no doubt that you will come up with the right words. JAY, apropos to your "racist" concern, I would like to quote the following similiar concern from Dr. Steven Greer, who you may or may not recognize as someone who is doing highly significant work nationally and internationally, and who is educating the world about the real existence of ET's and ET intelligence, among many other goals. Norm will probably remember this excerpt, as I have posted it before: "Additionally, there is a subtext which can only be viewed as thinly veiled racism. You will note that part of the 'new myth' regarding UFO's involves the 'good ET's' which invariably are described as 'Pleiadians' who are 'handsome' white, blue-eyed Aryan appearing types. Naturally, those 'evil, bad ET's' are darker, shorter, look funny and smell funny. Please. Such clap-trap would have us trade age-old human racism for an extraterrestrial variety. This nonsense and propaganda could only make Hitler proud." I agree that it would be important to have Billy's input on these issues. Sincerely, Linda | ||
Norm |
Linda, If you remember this discussion from years ago, someone posted that Greer had changed his stance on this, plus Greer never mentioned Billy by name, he was generalizing as if all Blonde alien contacts & contactee's real or imagined were part of some racist agenda. But other anti-FIGU/Billy debunkers still use it to slander all the time. | ||
JAY |
Hi Linda, Thanks for your concern on this Linda , yes we (Norm, and I) will need to put this on the Plate for the next Question for Billy to see if there is an answer to this age old question here on earth, in some sort of a chart which can be created measuring the races and the different ancestries from where they developed. I am sure that the information in the books and in FIGU does not give us all the explanations or shall I say strong concrete evidence as to the racial situation of all the groups here on earth, I think is just the tip of something much bigger in which maybe one day it will be added information from Billy and the group members. I strongly believe that there is more written in German that has not been exposed to the public besides all the Contact Notes and pamphlets. I feel inside that there is much more mind boggling information which is in the hands of Billy and that it may be released some day. The TALMUD does state we are made of three (3) different races by the Elder Gods but it does not give much of needed information about other darker or Brown races in the world, what DNA or processes were performed to have the existence of these different types. In my heart I do not have any issues with these advanced beings coming from the Depts of space with an 8,000 year old advancement than us and mostly being of Aryan or White Blue eyed appearance, all I need to be cleared out is just the clarification of the groups on earth who have existed for many ancient of times and where did the brown or dark ancestry come from, is there a high concentration of dark brown Humans advanced who are also from the PLEJARAN star systems or Lyran/Vegan/DAL universes?.... this is the question which needs to be answered. I am sure that the PLEJARANS have an answer that would unveil and relieve this age old Question to us BE WELL Linda | ||
Linda Williams |
Hi again Norm and Jay, Norm, yes I agree that Greer has never mentioned Billy by name in the above context. I don't recall seeing a post where he "changed his stance." I know that I posted a quote from the moderator of the members' forum who, speaking for Greer and CSETI, said "We believe Billy is telling the truth . . . but the case has been tainted." Linda | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
I fail to understand what genetic lineages have to do with Greer, CSETI or the beliefs from people who have not investigated the Meier info properly? Another curiosity for me is: When someone brings up the (irrelevant but perhaps interesting) matter of skin tone, someone else brings up words like "racist", "Hitler" etc.(????) & then somehow try to associate these (somehow?) with skin colour? Then, somehow after all this, the Meier info is now even tainted???? Wherever all this stuff is coming from, it's certainly not from any Meier info I've been reading !! JP | ||
Linda Williams |
Pierre, My guess is the discussion will clarify with Norm and Jay's question to Billy and Billy's subsequent answer. Sincerely, Linda | ||
JAY |
Hi Jean Pierre, We are not speaking of the Meier case in the sense where all beliefs are wrong or right more so simply that some of us or shall I say I have become perceptive after a while and aware of the situation all of Meiers contacts have always been of one type of PLEJARAN (Aryan looking, Blue Eyed Blondes, etc etc), they are never of the Red, Brown, American Indian or darker complexions. To me is not a racial or so called Hitler issue and is not an irrelevant issue, is concrete and is reality in the American sense.It is not possible for all Lyran, Vegan or DAL races to be of one type of makeup (White looking). There is not enough in the Mission for sure to say that there are HUMAN Races very similar to ours who are of African American/brown complexion only the slightly mentioned information of MENARA's ancestry and linkage to Hottentot Africans. This is one of the issues that is vague in the contacts and in the mission and a good chart or map is needed by the PLEJARANS to clear out this missing information. In any event the Meier case has been inspiring and a changing experience for all of us regardless of races here on earth. BE WELL Jean Pierre | ||
Norm |
JP, I suggest you go back and slowly re-read my posts on this subject, you seemed to have missed the point. Its what the debunkers say about Meier and his ETs, not what we are saying. Other than that some of us would like to see a family tree. It would be neat to get an artist to draw the Alien & Earth human family tree to Billy's specifications. Kind of like a poster chart. | ||
Michael |
While we wait for an official answer to the question that seems to be on quite a few minds, we could contemplate the following from the FIGU booklet, "An Interview With A UFO Contactee", where, on page 5., Billy answers question number 2. and see if it leads to any calming conclusions (or assumptions): 2. Could you possibly provide us with a broad outline of how many human races inhabit the universe? "...Ultimately, the human life form developed, consisting of many races, namely 40,353,607 - as I previously mentioned - with a total of 343 different skin tones..." | ||
Norm |
Michael, But do they all come from the Enoch line? We want more claification on our more immediate family line. There seems to be a ton of general info from Billy on this, but not enough specific info. | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Wow... !! Maybe we're "strange" up here where I live in Canada, but whenever someone says "America", we Canadians tend to think most often of the United States. "America" and "Canada" are two different places!! Up here, where I live, the importance of the Colour of one's skin is sort of like the importance of how long one's ears are, or whether one likes straight or curly fries, or other such useless stuff... It's the mind that counts. The ideas and thoughts within. I have friends who (I suppose) are coloured but I/We don't think of them that way unless someone brings it up. They are just people. I am "coloured" to them !! (Paleface white that is). I am glad they don't hold this against me, though. Sort of like whether a person wears glasses or not. Now THAT is a strange concept, that one would differentiate people purely according to their skin colour !?!? It blew me/us away, the attention Ohura (Startrek's communication officer) got in the U.S. simply because she was "coloured" !?!? A lot of it was very positive though... perhaps her role was very beneficial for the Americans?? This was the only sense I could get from all this. We get a lot of news from the U.S. It seemed to us like listening to a people from some medieval society, or from some other time zone or something...? There was one Startrek episode where the people of one particular planet destroyed each other, simply because one group was black/white and the other was white/black. I suppose the whole thing began when someone made a point of differentiating this... The more attention placed on this type of stuff, the more it becomes important to some of us!!!! (Remember, most of us are only using 10% of our brains !!) I contest the logic of sections of the above forum string... based on this. PLEASE READ THIS POST OVER SEVERAL TIMES VERY SLOWLY !! It would be far better to place our attention on more productive matters instead. Genetics yes !!! Lineages YES !!! Skin colour NO !!! Try to bring us all back to the medieval ages some of you are, eh?? In the name of the Plejarens? Yea right !! If this issue is important in America, please KEEP it in America (the U.S.), eh? Perhaps the contacts Billy has had, have been with different races & colours, but that this has not been "important" enough to mention !?!? Sort of like the "Sex issue"... It took some explaining by Billy to convince Semjase why it was "important" enough to discuss in the contact notes!! Oh yes, I suspect the Plejarens can dye their hair like we do !! Perhaps they can change their skin pigmentation as well?? Colour of the week perhaps? Regards, eh? JP | ||
Norm |
JP, How can you sit there and say that Race is no factor in TODAY'S society? You better wake up! We aren't living in Star Trek Yet! I live in the here and now. Now on to MY main reason for finding out where WE all came from and how it plays out Racially & Culturally. The current Darwin Theory of Evolution that is taught in every school, needs to be changed. Wouldn't you agree? We did not all come out of Africa! This "Out Of Africa" theory is so entrenched in Academia that any new finding that contradicts it is covered up. I would like to see this STOPPED! Sorry if its not PC! PS, Those that are PC sensitive, please don't read "In Search of Truth & Freedom" by Dietmar Rothe, who I believe is a FIGU member. It may not be PC enough for you. Page 53. " Among human populations, differences in physical and psychological makeup also exist, and it is foolish to disregard these differences. Practicing racial and ethnic color blindness is desirable when it comes to loving your neighbor, but it can be tragic when differences in a groups biological or psychological heritage are not taken into account." | ||
Edward |
Hi Gentlemen...Jay, Norm and PJ..,and Linda...and All others.. Hope you are all doing fine... Yes, you All have made a very very good and well discussion here... You are all doing as Jmmanuel wants! "THINK!" Very Well Done...if I may say so.. Norm, I understand your point...there should be indeed a Clear "Schematic-Tree" of All the Lyrian and others that have Multiplied with the Ur-earth human beings. It would be nice for Everyone to know this. Just to Clear-up Any...Misunderstandings. And for The Record. Jay, I understand your point of view also. We know from the contact notes that Billy has indeed meet a Diversity of extraterrestrials..that Differ in Skin-Tones and Appearance...(and even in Lengths!) As We ALL Can Acknowledge...it is the Plejarans that want to "Balance-Out...the Consequences"...that UnBlanced the earth's Evolution and all it's Ur-Human beings(Dark-Tone skinned). As we know...by them fleeying to earth... many many millions of years ago...and creating Offspring also. As we can Acknowledge...that they Feel it to Them to Balance-Out what they have created... 'Not intentionally'. As we can Acknowledge...that the Genetically-Manipulated(engineered) Lyrians were of the Light-skinned(White as Snow...it was mentioned)with the Spots(Freckles) on their skin....and with Red hair. So to My Logic...and Common-Sence...this is Why... we mainly encounter "Licht-skinned"(White) Lyrians that contacted Eduard/Billy. Because they Feel They are Obligated to Balance-Out as much as they can. For what Their Light-skinned ForeFathers and Mothers..created here on earth. And as we can Acknowledge...they could not Foresee the Outcome of what it would manifest into. They had No choice at the time then to flee to earth(and other parts of the Galaxy(s)..). And if this had not manifested we would...on earth..be at a Higher Sprititual State of Evolution...as our Parallel world. And went through "Our 'Natural' Course of Evolution". But Alas...this was Not the case. And ofcourse, a Diversity of Federation Extrater- restrails are/have Always Aided "The Mission"... But.. at a mere distance. It is also known, that a groep of "Brownies" aided the mission. "Brownies"..because their Skin-Tone is Brown! I myself...had also had "Telepathic-Images" of Brown extraterresterial beings...Human and Non-human and also in a diversity of skin-tones. The Brown Beings in my Telepathic-Images...were small in length..as even the ones that were mentioned by Billy. And I've also..had Telepathic-Images..of beings with Light-tones(white)...and even The Greys. These mentioned were in small lengths to over 2 meters. And a few times "Transperant" beings. So, Jay...I hope I may have clearified some things here for you and the others? Sothat the discussion manifesting now...will not Evolve in a 'Misplaced' Direction... Yes, Indeed...We should ask Billy...any Question(s)...We Do Not Understand...and Not Wander Off In The Wrong Direction. But again....there could be other reasons...to all your questions. It's Nice to see You All are becoming "One Family of Thinkers"... And Helping eachother out... Take Care....Be Healthy...You All... Edward... | ||
Chris Frank |
I think that if we were to encounter other races, Earth humans would accept these new beings a lot quicker than we would our own kind. When I was growing up, I lived a very sheltered life. Until I was in my teens I didn't know that racism even existed. Amongst my friends were black and native people. My mother would allow me to play with the black kids but every time I played with the native kids, she would freak on me and tell me I wasn't allowed to associate with them. Then when I was in my teens, my mother mentioned that we had a black relative. For the first time this got me thinking about skin color. I think I would have eventually run across the racism thing but I am grateful that it took me until my teen years to actually find that there was a difference, something that I totally missed in my childhood growing up. I've often wondered....If we didn't put so much stress on a persons skin color, would it became a mute point? For me, growing up, because I wasn't aware that there was a difference, I never saw a difference. The only thing that I knew was that these kids were my friends. Even today I have black friends, but I don't see them as black, I see them as friends. As far as racists go, sure we have a few here as well. I find that every time I am around them and they talk their superiority garbage, I get knots in my stomach and I want to escape from their presence. Don't get me wrong, they are wonderful people, with a really bad flaw, in my opinion. Since most of my friends think the same way that I do, racism does not become an issue. People are people. So whenever I do encounter any racists, that knot comes back. Thank goodness I live in Canada, where there aren't many racists and I can be friends with whoever I want. | ||
Linda Williams |
Hello Canada! Yes, perhaps you are fortunate not to be the melting pot of civilization as is the United States of AMERICA. Racism in the USA is, unfortunately, a major sociologial issue. But I truly don't think this is what is at issue in this discussion area. I only think there is an interest in what our human family tree looks like. Sincerely, Linda | ||
Edward |
Hi Chris...Hope you are doing Fine... Very interesting your comment about: " I think that if we were to encounter other races, Earth humans would accept these new beings a lot quicker than we would our own kind. " Well, to be frank Chris...the people...most of them...on earth would Not be 'Ripe/Mature' to accept the extraterresterial beings yet. We on earth first have to solve our own rascial differences and all before we can ever make a Big Step like the one you have mentioned. A good example is the tv series "Alien Nation". I don't know if you know that Si-fi series. It's very good to me. It gives a good example of how we people on earth can 'React' to "New Commers" that are Far Different then we are. And that even they...have problems of rascial tensions being brought against them. And they have a Total Different Way of Living...and customs. To me the series is a very very good example of How it would manifest if extraterresterial beings would live and mingle with us. "We on earth are....Just Not Ripe and Mature for such event". That is why Eduard/Billy explained to us in his material that such an event can cause a Big Blow to One's mind...when not being able to Handle such manifestation(s). There is an incident mentioned by Billy of someone having an encounter with an alien being over 2 meters . The person went 'Out of his Mind' in no time....and this resulted in a suicide alas. He could not handle his encounter. But that person...Did Get His TRUTH! This too... is a good example of what can happen if we are not ripe and mature for such manifestions. We are just Not that Evolved yet to accept such event. Atleast...the majority of people on earth. And yes, as Linda explained...when you live in a Melting-Pot of peoples there can be many many traditional and culture differences... that has to be "Balanced Out"... to make the Melting-Pot function. And this can not come Over-Night...alas. I do remember reading in Billy's material...that he too said that the only way to make the peoples of earth function well and together.. is to Interbreed with All Races. And that will in time "Eliminate" all the Prejudices and Discriminations. I have also seen it this way. There is no other way...for us peoples of earth. We should just become a Melting-Pot...as our Creation...which is a Melting-Pot of differs creatures which we All are/make part of. "We Are All Brothers and Sisters...of Eachother" Take Care...Be Healthy...Chris.. Edward... | ||
Chris Frank |
Some time ago, I was watching one of those futuristic documentaries on what the future could be like. I was quite surprized to see a new pill that they were talking about, that could change a persons skin color. You take this pill just before going to bed and wake up the next morning with whatever skin color you want...Pink, red, blue, green even polka dotted. They figure that something like this will be the rave of the future. Personally, I think it would be interesting to have black skin, just to see what it would be like being black for a short while. But then again, in the future, if this happens, no one will know what skin color you were originally, so I feel this may take some of the racism out of society. Perhaps here I should also mention that in the mall one day I saw the most beautiful and uniquely different child I ever laid eyes on. Her mother was white and her father was oriental. The child had very oriental feature, with blonde hair and blue eyes. This child has been on my mind ever since, because of her appearance. You can't forget a pretty sight like that too easily. I have a feeling that she is in for a very unusual spiritual trip in this lifetime because of the way that she looks. | ||
Chris Frank |
I see your point. But what if people were actually prepared for the event of meeting ET's? Then there won't be any sudden shocks to the system. I remember a few years back in Arizona when people took all those home movies of what they believed to be ET crafts. Many were confused and what they captured on film. But they formed a support group to help one another out. They are getting through this. Then there are all these Sci-Fi shows on TV, including worse case senarios. We've seen aliens in all different shapes and sizes, colors and races. I think that the people of those countries that have been severely over-exposed to ET's wouldn't have a difficult time accepting them. What I am worried about is the safety of the aliens more so than the humans on this planet. Though there are many of us who prefer peace and love over war and hatred, not all humans are like minded. Yet, if the humans were exposed in small groups with the help of a leader, then the acceptance would be easier and I am sure that the suicide rate would nulify itself because there would be like minded people and support groups to help those people out in their understanding. I see so much exposer to war and hatred that I am grateful that we can't remember our past lives, just imagine bringing out old conflicts from lifetime to lifetime. A lot of times, I think it is up to the parents to help cut down the racism. I was never racists and I brought my kids up the same way. Neither one of them are racist either. I am very proud of that and of them for it. I am hoping that some day all racism on this planet will be wiped out. | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Hi Norm, all... "...The current Darwin Theory of Evolution that is taught in every school..." According to a recent magazine article I read, only about 1/5 of the states in the U.S. actually teach evolution as well as creationism. There is quite a controversy (and struggle) about exactly what should be taught in United States schools. There are political as well as religious influences envolved. This is completely aside from the point I was originally trying to make, however, your posts were also not (and still are not) included in any of my orignal concerns. However, The United States at one time had a tremendous problem with "racism" etc. Perhaps partially, (compared to the past) they still do. However, MANY VERY GOOD PEOPLE in the United States have lost, risked and tolerated much to bring the U.S. to the situation it is at today. Still a ways to go, but VERY MUCH better than it was, for sure. And, getting better all the time !! I think the U.S. and it's people should be highly commended for the gains they have made so far !! Canada has NEVER had the history which the U.S. has had and therefor does not have anywhere near the present "residual" racial tensions the U.S. still (might) have. It is possible to live without these... by simply not recognizing them. We are all "just people". Earth Humanoids with our own unique minds and families. It is REALLY REALLY NICE to have friends of various genetic backgrounds and not even think of this!! This diversity is refreshing and stimulating !! (Canadian Newfoundlanders included !!) This is the atmosphere and "direction" pointed at by the original "Star Trek"... for what it's worth... but I suppose not everyone is a "trekie"...?? In Canada, about half our news is from the U.S. We are quite well informed !! The opposite, however, is not true in all states of the U.S. Canada has had a declining population growth for several decades. We have had to "import" people to make this up. The result is that today, we have a high "foreigner" to "Native Canadian" (whatever that is ??) population ratio. We now do not "see" people of various nations... as we are all Canadians !!!! I/We could tell many stories !! I/We live in the best country in the world...!!!! Our "American neighbours/friends of all nationalities" are part of this also. Where I personally had a problem (I'm settled down somewhat now...) is where people place posts which seem to insinuate that "skin colour" differentiation (and other "stuff" regarding the Meier info!!) is "normal" and "important". It is NOT !! I have friends whom I would not wish to "subject to" this type of thinking. It's not even part of the picture. A step backwards into the past. There are/were Americans (U.S.) whom I have a LOT of RESPECT for, who I would not wish to dump this "coloured important stuff" on either. Especially in terms of insinuations regarding the Meier information, also especially regarding insinuations involving the Plejarens. Genetics yes... Lineages yes... of Scientific and intellectual interest. Skin colour??? hmmm... why??? (remember the 10% brain thing... we/us especially on this FIGU board, should perhaps try to be an example to the "world", eh?) What colour car do you drive? Perhaps we should segregate people according to this??? (just to make yet another really dumb, but very appropriate comparison). Regards, JP | ||
Norm |
JP, I wish I still had an article by a Democrat Jewish congressman that fought hard to have his California district re-aligned so that it would better represent the new Mexican immigrant make up, of his district. Guess what happened at the next election he was voted out of office and was replaced by a candidate of Mexican descent. It blew his mine, he had one of the highest approval ratings in the new and old district, but when it was all over, it came down to race and he lost. Racism is not a White only problem. | ||
Linda Williams |
Hello Pierre, Chris, James the Truth Seeker, and all other Canadians here on the board! Pierre, your patriotism is typical of all of us who love our homeland, I think! I've been noticing recently that a number of countries are represented on the Forum. I suspect we all are loyal to our flags and inspired by them. Just witness the Olymic games, for instance. You still seem to have some hesitancy about dealing with Plejaran geneology(which could include "color") and I wonder why? You say it doesn't matter, I suppose, and I agree. But I'm still curious, just as I would be if I saw the extraordinary blonde haired, blue eyed, Asian child that Chris saw. What is this child's ancestry? Your American friend, Linda | ||
Mark Campbell |
I have been following this thread , and I would like to comment about something in particular : Alot has been said about the "American attitudes" of racial prejudice and so forth , which are well known in other nearby countries from news broadcasts .Because of our historic profile , we supposedly have some deep racial problems that are especially apparent to people who don't live here , but who keep informed by programs that isolate incidents , amplify them for a news byte , and then play them over and over again , giving the illusion that such incidents prevail , as they did many years ago . My point is , that I live here , and I have friends of many different races , and enjoy an openness with people of any race and nationality. I don't see these so-called problems that have been mentioned on a consistent basis , in fact people get along reasonably well , considering that we all live in an overcrowded world , with it's own effects from it . My point being that unless you live in the USA , you don't know what it's really like here. First we are judged by our government , of which the people really do have little or no control , and then we are judged as a people , of which we are singularily not "one people", but collectively many different groups , and individuals yet. We seem to be in the news alot more than some other countries , and 'news' meaning 'trouble', gives people in such countries plenty of fuel to criticize us, seemingly down to our very thought processes . I'll leave you with this thought . When you have such a large number of people together over a large land mass , you are going to have alot of everythin' ; good , bad , and the unexpected . Neutral positive attitudes would inhibit judgement and possible channel one's energies into better avenues . | ||
JAY |
HI all, I have been away for a while from this topic, I have been getting some exercise at the beaches this past week so I have not been able to see the progress on this topic. Being in the sun this past week has brought out the Bronze color in me, lol lol . I have noticed this topic has grown in full strength and in its content both in finding answers to our Ancient family tree. I see that all here have input a great deal to my original argument as well as that of Norm's. Since I have been reading all your comments and thoughts here I would now like to add another view of things to further strenghthen this topic and it has to do with a different set of circumstances that would have made the PLEJARAN MISSION alot different and it goes like this: Suppose for argument sake, Billy's contacts were of Dark Brown or dark complexion and lets just say that they resembled Micheal Jordan and Shac in tone looks and height (female preferably). Would Billy's view to this have been different in terms of the way he sees the whole mission and what would the outcome to all this be, would all of us have followed the mission differently or not follow it at all??. Has anyone here given this also a thought??, I do wonder also about this as I have since the begining when I learned about the mission. Any comments to add to this guys?? BE WELL to all JAY | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Hi Mark and everyone, I sympathize, and to a certain extent agree with many of the sentiments expressed. You have a legitimate beef here. What many don't realize is that the controlled media has brainwashed the whole country into believeing what they want the people to believe. In other countries around the world the media has other faults such as sensationalizing the news, (which is done here too). However, as you know, people in others countries have different attitudes, and egos also play a major role in their prejuduce, as is the case in this country as well. What I have found to be a reality with regards to race and attitudes, is that all over the world people who live in big cities, generally, have many similarities as far as their likes and dislikes are concerned with a variation of attitudes and customs. Whereas, those who live in the country, are the same all over the world, and in a different way. They are usually more down to earth, with a less or more controlled ego, more honest and less prejudiced then city people. Overpopulation may also be a factor. My observation. Regards, Lonnie | ||
Norm |
Jay, I'll tell what would have happened if Billy was Black, and the ETs were Dark, his following in the begining would most likely be Black. People in this PC World don't want to admit it, but the different Races are clannish and have a tendency to stick together. I have observed my different Black Nurses over 14 years, and I have seen this time and again. Example, when me and my current Nurse are in the Mall or just out, she almost always says hi to the Black people she's near, but not always the White people. I'm not saying she a racist because I know she's not, but something clicks in her when she sees another of her race, I guess its a kind of kinship. When me and my Nurse talk about movies she has a tendency to see movies that have Black actors or Themes, even though she's Haitian and doesn't relate to the Black American experience, that she sees as decadent. She can't relate to the American Blacks that she sees on welfare, especially in a country that she feels has so many opportunities. The biggest thing that bothers her is when other American Blacks say she acts White because she's educated, drives a nice SUV, and has a nice House, and all her five children have graduated from collage. P.S. Also in my Grade to High school years all the Black kids sat at the same lunch table and all hung together. | ||
Norm |
Lonnie, I agree with what you say about the Media. Look what happened to gay Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn he wanted to stop all immigration into his country, because he felt his country was full and didn't need anymore people. Well the European Media demonized him, calling him a Neo-Fascist and some Left Wing Radical Environmentalist shot him dead, before the election. The weird thing about this is the fact that less immigration and population make for a better environment! But the Media distorted what Fortuyn was about, and it cost him his life! | ||
James the truthseeker |
Greetings everyone, My own observations are that present race issues also relate to poverty and religious issues. As much as the USA has being known for its racism, I'd say Israel is in a much worse situation, yet I don't understand why Israel keeps the palestinians in financial poverty while they receive financial support from the USA and this is never talked about much on the media that I've seen, let alone the Palasenians are kept from governing their own land. Yet why is the USA financially supporting this racism? Something is wrong with this picture! As much as Canada is the best country in the world in that we are a diverse culture of many, even here some racism still exists with the aboriginal native peoples. Fortunitly this situation is improving, as even here to, aboriginals were kept in poverty with the exception of the first nations people who represent the government. I personally know a black person known as Prophet of Yahweh. Even though this is not his real name, he has recieved many racist remarks. Here is a guy who can go out with agroup of people anywhere on a hot clear day and call down UFOs in the name of YAHWEH, involving a group of ETs we know as the Benefactors. Though my message to these ETs are that of true amnesty, their message to me was as follows; "Unfortunitly James, most other people on your Earth do not share in your amnesty points of view and therefore will remain hostile towards us". According to Dr Steven Greer and others who confirms this, I would have to agree with the Benefactor ETs. Salome, James the truthseeker | ||
Mark Campbell |
Hi James ; So , you are a contact of some ET's known as the benefactors ? Tell us more . Moderator: No, this is not the topic for this discussion. | ||
JAY |
Hi James, You mentioned you have a friend who calls down ETs known as the benefactors: "I personally know a black person known as Prophet of Yahweh. Even though this is not his real name, he has recieved many racist remarks. Here is a guy who can go out with agroup of people anywhere on a hot clear day and call down UFOs in the name of YAHWEH, involving a group of ETs we know as the Benefactors." So is he the person who contact the ETs or is it really you?? Tell us more.... BE WELL James | ||
JAY |
Hi Norm, The posting on Billy's contacts were of Dark Brown or dark complexion and lets just say that they resembled Micheal Jordan and Shac in tone looks and height (female preferably is the question that I posted. So Norm would you see the mission in a whole new light or would Billy have become indifferent towards them and what would the outcome be from the begining if these Dark Brown PLEJARANS were told to the media and the poeple in the same way they did with the analysis which were done in the 70's. I contemplate this quite often, how would Billy handled the information??... any thoughts out there or ideas anyone else can come up with?? | ||
Norm |
Jay, I was just saying the Core Group in the beginning would be Black, but later it would spread to other races. But I still feel the core support would remain mostly Black. I also think that had Billy been Black he would have had a harder time finding support among non Blacks. But Hey this is all a guess. The Plejarens & Nokodemjon obviously choose where and who they want Nokodemjon to incarnate in. They chose an Arab for Mohammad, a European for Billy, who knows what race or where the next incarnation will be. I feel that using a European will spread the info faster, than had Billy been born in say Africa. I also feel had Nokodemjon been born in the USA it would have helped spread the info even faster. If Billy was born in Communist China he'd be in jail. So where and what culture / race Nokodemjon incarnates in, is very important to the Plejarens, Nokodemjon and the Missions success only at that point in time. P.S. Even the German language played a part this time, that it may not have in other life times as far as we know. | ||
James the truthseeker |
Greetings everyone. NO, I can't say that I'm a UFO contactee. Sorry to disappoint you all! Well at least not like Billy is, so I should not be considered as such! Concerning the Benefactor ETs, ... ...[Comments shortened -- Applicable under Swiss law.] Moderator: This is not the topic area to discuss personal contact experiences. Please stay focused on the topics! | ||
JAY |
Hi Norm, Most of what you mentioned is right and exact, if Billy would have been black it definitely would have been played down to a high degree. This earth has real hard Spiritual Development issues when it comes to all our races here on earth. We can only thank those groups of beings all throughout our ancient past for these errors, now we have to make it our plan and goal to clean this disease out of our system here on earth, is not going to be easy but we must thank our PLEJARAN elder humans for their assistance in this and effort throughout times for the mission. I strongly believe they want us to become part of the group federation. Plenty of work needs to be done in our part to make this happen and the mission given to Billy and efforts placed may accomplish a great deal of this. "The Tree of Ancient Races" needs to be definitely something to look forward to for a more accurate and legitimate picture of our existence in this mad world of Politics, money and spiritual degeneration. BE WELL Norm | ||
michaeld |
hello, I would like to add a personal experience that i had,dealing with racism. First I would like to state that I am not a racist nor will I ever be, I live in the U.S. And as everyone knows we have a lot of different cultures,races,and religions. I truly enjoy meeting and working with all different types of people. Well then, my experience takes places at my work. We had hired a new worker who was Brazilian. He was a great worker even better in certain areas then I was. He worked hard,fast,and dilgently. These to are also characteristic I find in myself and pride my work apon. Let's just say for safety sake I felt threaten. I thought to myself "here is this guy who has been here less than a year trying to make me look bad, How dare him he should go back to his country." Now let's not jump the gun, this thought of mine was totally wrong. I did not let this thought, this idea of mine take any fertile ground in my mind. I truly had to ask myself where did this thoughtt (idea) stem from in my mind. First I had to think about the true meaning within myself about other people from other backgrounds ect...ect... coming to the country I live in to work and live. And come up with a understanding within myself. I never really gave it any thouhght until this certain situation arose. After coming to my conculsion on that matter. I had to look at myself again, within my own self. I ponder the situation and came up with an explanation for it. I did feel threatin,but was this correct thinking NO...my co-worker my friend was just trying to do his own personal best just like I try to give my own personal best. I am not suppose to feel threatin by this but truly see that we are try to do our best at things and that some people will always either be better or worse or the same as you in certain areas of life...michaeld | ||
JAY |
Hi Michaeld, Thanks for this interesting information on other groups who come here and how they compare to Americans here in the states. I do feel the same way when it comes to the very similar attitude. The problems with those kinds of countries unlike ours are that they have a bad system and most of the Govt structures are ripping them off, that is one reason why they are here looking for the better life as we think it should be. The topic here refers mostly at this moment on the idea of racial lineages and how they affect us in our present time as compared to the Races who have come down in past ancient times. We are trying to see if there can be a good somewhat accurate mapping by the PLEJARANS as to how it all came about from the begin or for at least the existence of Humans here on earth in terms of races. The question here is where has all these group's (Us) original groups have come from??. Me and Norm are working on a good question to see if it would be possible for the PLEJARANS to give us a chart of some kind to measure our reality and existence and place here. BE WELL Michaeld | ||
Norm |
I was reading part of Volume 3, Message from the Pleiades about the Aryans & Summerians yesterday. it was kind of a refresher. I am really getting the feeling that we earth humans are not really the major players in the groups Billy and the Plejarens are talking about. The info seems to be talking about the ETs more than us. We are referred to as "subdeveloped and lethargic native people". The history lesson is more about them than us. We earth humans seem to be a hodgepodge of different ETs mixed with native peoples, whatever they are, or looked like. How the relationship between ETs and native peoples are known to some degree. I guess we had a bunch of Extraterrestrial Overlords leading the natives into battle against each other like some kind of chess game. There's so much to know we haven't even scratched the surface. I guess we were the cannon fodder for this bullshit! Sorry for the rant, I get a little pissed off when I read some of this stuff. This planet is such a disaster and the Ancient ET's had a lot to do with it! | ||
Edward |
Hi Michaeld, Jay and Norm.. Yes, Michaeld....I must say...I Fully Agree and Understand what Norm...has posted. Up to the points! I Feel in some ways the same as he. We on earth were just being 'Used'...by some OverLords..just for their own Glorification(s). Them acting as 'Gods'..and to Enslave us to their evil powers. Just to conquer each other...not mattering how much Blood is spread! And Manipulating the Holy Scriptures to top that off also! Which Reflects...todays religions. Go so on! And Now....Look around you and see what has become of this all! It has all gotten Out Of Hand! And Now....We All...have to Try and do our best to make it accpetible for all of use to live on our planet earth. Norm, I Understand you very clearly. I stand 100% behind you! Take Care...Be Healthy. Edward... | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Hi Norm, Edward, all... Excellent point... I think also a major idea or concept towards understanding the present situation also !?!?! WE earth people are/were so enthralled with the "off worlders" that perhaps we have done all this to ourselves, by allowing it all to happen?? I imagine that the ancient ET's did not have much trouble in convincing "us" that they were gods. A really major concept which comes from the Meier communications (including the TJ) is the Correction on what "God" is and what it is not, as compared to "Creation", Spirit etc. I thank the Plejarens and Billy especially for this!!! Today, IF a "Real ET" (verified & logically provable) would publicly land on earth (etc.) would WE react similarly to our ancestors?? Any wonder, why the Plejarens (& others) have taken such great care to produce today's "proof but no proof" situation? At "Billy's expense" even?? Just so that WE don't "freak out" all over again??? Many of us have no concept on this and/or cannot understand the situation... yet. Just a thought: That perhaps a more appropriate title for sections of the "Old Testament" might be: "The book of the ET, (and resultant influences)". Perhaps, our ancestors wanted to make sure that we (in our present) did NOT forget what happened back then. I find it interesting, that the narrative in Genesis, for example, seems to understand the situation, and yet speaks of Adam & Eve as if THEY did not. Regards & thanx, JP | ||
frodomccall |
Folks, I believe the Aliens call God( The Issness)but don't have "religions". At least they are not Athiests. I also thought We came from entities who were neither Male nor Female, and after "blowing up Melina" came here and entered the Earth plane split up as positive(male), and negative(female). There was no need to reproduce, since people lived an average of 23,ooo yrs. Unless eaten by creatures. We had hand -like feet, in order to escape the creatures, but were not ever apes ourselves. Our feet evolved into what is considered beautiful "feet", now. But we are still diseased, and warlike. Everybody else lives INSIDE of planets(in 100 universes). We are the ONLY ones who live OUTSIDE planets. Everyone else lives in peace(inside). Sorry about that. Frodomccall | ||
Mark Campbell |
Hi Frodomccall; I'm sorry to have to state it like this , and you are certainly due your opinion , but this is a forum which is primarily and singularily about the Billy Meier case , his information and teachings . What you have posted is what I would call " Garden Variety Misinformation ". Please look around this website and learn more about the Plejarens . sincerely , Mark |
