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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 289
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 11:45 pm: | 
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Dear peter
Peter, as you have offered me a sandwich I didn't ask for before, not that I am not grateful, please take my offer of a double shot caffe latte as a gesture of reciprocity.
Before you have the strong urge to tell me, 'who the f**k are you to tell me what to do', I hope saner mind prevails to quell the vitriolic sentiments arising out of yourself to listen hard with your head.
You owe dyson a big apology
It is you who misunderstood where he was coming from due to your lack of knowledge of spiritual matters, and don't think for a second that I am jumping to rash conclusions about you, even though I have never met you. If all you say after being the receiving end of criticism like mine is 'you don't know anything about me, so how the f**k do you know enough to judge me based on just what I write here', then truly you have not done your homework nor are you taking this in the right direction. You may as well give this up for the sake of others because a person with such a lack of grace will in the end do more harm for the cause of justice and truth than helping it and this you have exhibited for all members here to see. The only thing flowing through your vein would be adrenaline rushed vengence and retaliation for which you have clearly shown against Dyson all because your big pride won't allow you to be corrected nor told by anyone anything of substance if you were big enough and gracious enough to handle the criticism that is valid as it is truthful. What can you call this but being immature, full of irrational egotistic pride and being up oneself too much to know how to listen.
If you take the course of least resistence and continue the way you have done before, I am afraid as more voices of outcry are heard against your actions, the more you'd feel justified in your action and the more you'd feel resentful against those that are just trying to point out something about you that is unconscionably unethical.
Pride of men is like a raging fire that consumes everything in its path, it doesn't discriminate but leaves a whole lot of mess and wreckage.
The sooner one gets a grip of it, the less danger it'll have of it consuming them.
I hope you have enough grace and courage to face the mirror reflection without asking me 'do you'?, then we'll know for sure just where you stand along the spectrum.
cheers
matt |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 210
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 28, 2006 - 01:04 pm: |
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in reply to alan vestri and new initiation....
"That is not true/correct because if you've had a look, you would have noticed that gaiaguysnet provides more then adequate proof to backup all of its government/organisation/people claims.
What did you expect a whistleblower site to be full of - love??"
=that IS true. let me explain to you something very simply and clearily...
why are you to assume that my referrence to absent minded hate, is a referrence to the government orginizations etc.?
i was actually refering to the insults that were given to people who are not even alive to be able to defend themselves. you are like dyson... instead of asking me what i mean, you try to tell me what i mean.
if a whistle blower preaches love, would'nt it be reasonable to assume he/she would have a lot of it, given that this person seems to be so in tune with creation and it's laws, given that this person feels he or she is able to rightfully hand out passages from the tj to whom he feels that piece of info can be of any effect?
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"Rubbish, I don't agree with you there. And that is why Gaiaguysnet website is responsible for a lot of good things/steps happening in the australia government?
Australian MP Ian Causley Quits!
"It was that #%&#! website that did it!!" - anonymous insider.
http://www.gaiaguys.net/causlink.htm
Gaiaguysnet website recieves averages 500,000 hits a day, yes a day! That website is not only responsible for informing a LOT of people on the net about the coruption in Oz and other world governments, but also for informing a LOT of people about the billy meier ufo case too. peter, what have you done for the community that could possibly compare with what Dyson and Vivviene have done!!
Peter, you may be right in (attacking?) Dyson's character judgement (he is not perfect just like YOU aren't), but NOT in attacking the INTEGRITY of his website!"
read my words more carefuly please.
what have i done?
i didnt know i am required to meet anybodies standards, like i said i am no subordinate.
but what i have done for the world around me is discover my true potential, i have learned from my mistakes, i have helped people when they asked for it. when i had nothing i share even that.
like i said, you do not know what i have cooking in the oven.
also, i did not say the gaiaguys website is totally useless. i agree they spread a lot of info that could be important in various ways, but "dont get caught up in your own hype" is something i would say to people like dyson.
i'm not attacking him. he attacked me, and i would'nt expect a bunch of dyson/gaiaguys supporters to understand that.
what makes you feel you have to stick your nose in this.
i just approached dyson respectfully and then he decided to distance himself as i seem to be discrediting him etc etc.
what a joke.
i think you should go work on some meditation, there's no need for exclamation points if we're all reasonable people, just trying to make a point.
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i dont owe nobody an apology, who are you to make that call?
go read my first post and dysons two following that one. do your research rather then waving the dyson flag whenever somebody disagrees with your translator.
you are in no position to tell me where dyson is coming from, you are not dyson. you are just 2nd hand opinion. he can speak on his own behanlf which he has.
"You owe dyson a big apology
It is you who misunderstood where he was coming from due to your lack of knowledge of spiritual matters, and don't think for a second that I am jumping to rash conclusions about you, even though I have never met you. If all you say after being the receiving end of criticism like mine is 'you don't know anything about me, so how the f**k do you know enough to judge me based on just what I write here', then truly you have not done your homework nor are you taking this in the right direction. You may as well give this up for the sake of others because a person with such a lack of grace will in the end do more harm for the cause of justice and truth than helping it and this you have exhibited for all members here to see. The only thing flowing through your vein would be adrenaline rushed vengence and retaliation for which you have clearly shown against Dyson all because your big pride won't allow you to be corrected nor told by anyone anything of substance if you were big enough and gracious enough to handle the criticism that is valid as it is truthful. What can you call this but being immature, full of irrational egotistic pride and being up oneself too much to know how to listen"
pride? you really are narrow minded.
the last 4 sentences of your post show just who is the one with the problems.
i will say something here once and for all because i dont like running laps....
i have came across as agressive perhaps in some other past postings. but THIS TIME i made absolutly sure that i approached dyson in a calm and friendly manner. so i did. then dyson twists my words, does'nt understand what i was getting at but simply tells me what i'm getting at, then i try to justify myself and react to his "thoughtful reply", then a bonch of people who all wait around for the next gaiaguys translation decide to "respond" and try to tell me i got some big ego full of pride and that i cannot not see what dysons point was etc etc.
that's totally ridiculous, and sick.
and the fact that each of you made the same mistake as dyson, jumping to conclusions about what i am saying... and then trying to tell me that your standards is what i have to live up to... that speaks for istelf.
i dont tell anybody what they should think or feel, or what standard they should meet. i have my goals and dont need to display them for all the world to see.
i dont want to talk about this anymore, i tried 100% to simply share some friendly conversation with dyson, and this big mess followed.
thanks anyway for all your replies people. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 291
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, October 28, 2006 - 11:10 pm: |
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Dear Peter
Peter consider this post of mine the LAST ONE to you here until at such time that you clean up your silly act and self righteous indignant posture that reeks of ARROGANCE and total lack of modest humility.
I for one will not give any more credence or my precious time to someone who will not face reality but always go on the aggressive defence of their fragile ego and continue to project their own faults on others.
I don't want to jump into any conclusion nor be accused of doing it nor is this meant to be a personal attack but rather a reflection of how you come across in words. Now Peter, how the f*** do you expect to be adequately understood if you don't properly convey what you mean, is this not a twisted illogical reasoning of yours when you keep retorting back after receiving a response from other forum members saying 'you have misunderstood what I was trying to say and theres more that you don't know that's cooking in the oven'. WAKE the F*** Up!, How else did you expect yourself to be known other than through the words you write, this is afterall a public forum and most of the time because this forum is a means of communication, people write to be understood and expect to be understood and most of the time if there is a breach of inadequate understanding, then the fault usually lies with the person that writes. Of course this isn't always the case and there are times when it's actually the person at the receiving end, whose ability and the capacity to understand is inadequate which give rise to misunderstanding.
Now I am really confused as to what your intentions of participating on this forum are because there exists a glaring discrepencies and contradictions from what you have told me your reasons were and how you are conducting yourself on this forum. Now a person is not solely judged on what they write here but also how they come across in words that projects to other, their internal world of thought, character, personlity, likes, dislikes, interests, prejudices, faults, intellect or lack thereof, humour, level of knowledge and wisdom, hidden desires, motives, intentions, preferences, feelings, emotions, honesty or lack thereof, ethics or lackthereof, morality or lackthereof, virtues or lackthereof, decency or lackthereof, habits, ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC.
So really, until as such time that people here meet face to face and spend appreciable amount of time together, therefore seeing how each other conducts themselves in many varied situational, circumstantial and social context THAT we can have a better idea and deeper understanding of each others being, character, psychological makeup, personality and so on.
This I am afraid is denied most members here and the reality is a very few would get the chance to meet face to face and so the only recourse we have is through the words we write that reflects more or less our thoughts, feelings and our being.
So essentially, attitude of mind is very important which seems to be deteriorating from your end.
YOU WROTE: In reply to your 204th posting, where you state, “…a clever individual will out match an entire army, all you have to do is play their own game... distort, confuse, intimidate and repeat.”
This was to Dyson, so what exactly did you mean other than using the same vulger tactics as they. And seeing as we are learning to learn how to become more spiritually inclined and lead a life of decency, honour, peace, harmony, love, freedom, morality, ethics, virtue etc, can't you conclude for yourself from what Dyson was saying that it's wrong to commit wrong to right things in equal measures that are used by the army you were refering to?
*********Dyson wrote to you: And you have not only gone 180 degrees away from the renewed teachings, you have now utterly discredited yourself and your accounts here. You have also tacitly discredited me and everyone else who is HONESTY trying to disclose the dishonesty we know exists within and around these evil secret societies.
*******Peter you wrote in response to Dyson: quote me exactly where i say i want to to murder these individuals or that i want to do physical harm. you jump to conclusions. how do you know what alterior motive i have for writting what i write?
you think i just say those things to sound mighty?
you know little about what goes on in my life and the people within it, so dont assume you know what i'm getting at, let alone how i get to it.
quote me specifically where i say i am going to go kidnap one of these freemasons, as they have done to children etc.
what do i care of your "green light" in relation to my actions and choices...
you are not above me and i am not your subordinate, get off your high horse, or ..comment deleted
you sound like someone i knew when i was a fool, he was a priest, and he liked to preach.
you dont see it (maybe to busy pointing out the rough edges of other people, rather than looking in the mirror) but you quote the TJ like some fanatical christian would the bible.
**********Nowhere in Dyson's post did he ever say 'murder', this is your projection, Dyson only indicated that it's wrong to go against the truth, against the very foundation of the creative principles for which you have indicated through what you wrote as if you consent and approve of using degenerate tactics as a means to an end that justifies going against the Creative principles. SO WHAT IS WRONG WITH POINTING OUT THE WRONG THAT YOU WRITE? WHAT CAN'T YOU DEAL WITH THIS SCENARIO?
You can do the work for yourself in finding the relevent article in which billy states that being silent about the wrongs is wrong in itself as it is a from of tacit consent. Then you'll understand better where Dyson is coming from, But if you still can't accept even what Billy says or will not accept or understand them then I am afraid you'll need to re-think about your priorities as you are no good to the cause of the truth unless you LEARN LEARN LEARN LEARN.
Just remember Peter, as you are still a young man, there is much that you, like everybody else in this world, needs to learn. You've come to the entrance of the Creational temple with one foot in the door but it seems you haven't fully entered it to search for the vast treasures inside. Now to fully enter the Creational temple, you must obtain the right KEY or PASSWORD, this requires for you to learn, obtain the plethora of knowledge from FIGU and develop that very 'wisdom of knowledge so that you may wisely follow the laws of Creation' There is no short cut to this process except for you to search very very hard until you find the key.
Cheers
Matt |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 211
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 10:42 am: |
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consider this matt,
i have read your latest post, and while you totally ignore my point, the real issue of all this (until all of you excluding dyson decided to join in on the topic and rather than getting to the real heart of the problem, you all try to paint me as a villain) is that dyson twisted my words, i did not even claim anything at that point that could remotely be considered arrogant, hurtfull, or an attack. it is the 4 of you who attacked me.
i already siad what i think about dyson, and not to name any names, others have warned me about him. enough of that.
all you have done is change the direction of this conversation to something angry, just like dyson did with my original post to him.
is'nt a path toward mutual understanding achieved by first understanding your friend/enemy, rather then accusing them and pointing fingers at them? (like what was done to me)?
dyson did'nt even attempt to ask me anything in relation to clearing up any misunderstandings he has with my original post to him. that speaks volumes about where his mind is at.
you can have your opinions of me (like i've had of dyson) but is all the name calling really condusive of a path toward mutual understanding?
man, you just wrote 4 or 5 paragraphs full of hate toward me. you seem to jump on every discussion i get into that heats up. you are full of anger and i stand by everything i said.
you are always more than ready with a couple paragraphs worth of what i"m doing wrong, how arrogant i am... etc etc...
if there ever is a next time, and you feel like you want to stick up for somebody, dont you think it's better to email me instead of polluting the forum with your angry rants?
thanks
and as for all that talk about how i am showing myself for who i really am, twisted logic etc...
the fact that you bring up that quote about the sandwhich tells me you have troubles letting the past be.
if i have been ever had a reason to be 100% confident, it is certainly in this case.
take care. |
Scott
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| | Posted on Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 11:00 am: |
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Gaiaguysnet
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Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 04:59 pm: |
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Dear moderators and other fellow contributors,
I corrected my erroneous statement of October 6th on October 11th. Please see below.
I refer to Klaus’s (“Klausmaus”) third round of questions about me to Billy. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/1871.html?1162307877#POST23586
Please forgive the excessive length of this individual posting, but evidently (I’m being charitable) my postings are getting lost in the crowd, and have therefore not been read.
And we do not publicly claim, nor personally "believe" that the loathsome “Protocols of Zion” ARE true, although we do THINK they are. www.gaiaguys.net/protocols.htm There is an important logical distinction here which is more than just semantic.
And, contrary to Klaus's assertion to the contrary, I DO provide FULL references.
And, unlike the Plejaren, I would NEVER use the abominable expression “bloodthirsty Jews”. www.gaiaguys.net/ET.to.USA.1979.htm
I would very much like to be given the opportunity to try again to set the record straight that Klaus seems so intent on twisting. I did not react when he insinuated that I was a cult leader. I did not react to his astonishing assertions that I cannot or will not accurately translate German to English, even when the Official American/English Language Representative of FIGU has his website’s most prominent link to gaiaguys.net, and uses our work extensively in his authorized media presentations, and Klaus will not cite a single instance of our poor translation, claiming that he cannot because they are too numerous to mention. Klaus has never (to the best of my knowledge EVER) responded to the many times he’s been asked what he has read of the Meier material, and he doesn’t even have the good excuse that he cannot read German.
Mostly, I would like to say that the level of absolutely unjust and unfair abuse he has leveled at Vivienne and my anti-racist, social justice work (100% unpaid) has reached a critical mass. Billy teaches that anger is only justified in relation to individuals who KNOWINGLY FALSIFY the truth. Fortunately, I also understand that one of the first teachings is that we must keep our emotions at bay, so they do not interfere with logical thinking, so I’m not angry now, but both Vivienne and I ARE unhappy that Klaus's vicious calumny is allowed to continue, thus undoing a lot of the good we have been trying to do on our website while fighting the scourge of social prejudice / racism by translating so much enlightening FIGU material, etc. We are trying desperately to head off the prophesized “ankle-deep-blood” and Klaus is NOT helping! To quote Simon Wiesenthal (from an interview in the Baltimore Jewish Times, April 3, 1981) displayed prominently on our NAZI-fighting website’s opening page, "We need partners. We cannot fight against the neo-Nazis alone. We need friends. We can win them by telling them their history, by talking about the others, the millions of people other than the Jews, that the Nazis killed. The Holocaust began with the Jewish. But it did not end with the Jews." (www.gaiaguys.net/Wiesenthal.htm)
Dear Klaus, whoever you are, please have the common human courtesy to refer to me by name, even if nobody knows who you are, when publicly casting your vile aspersions.
And unless you are actually some sort of NAZI double agent deliberately trying to give all Jewish people a REALLY bad name by association with you … and I am SERIOUSLY starting to suspect this may WELL be the case … the deliberate omission of my sentence immediately following my erroneous one (corrected 5 days later on this list) which you have AGAIN drawn attention to, is beneath contempt.
Please permit me to provide the context again now, and ask you PERSONALLY to tell everybody here why you chose to be so selective with your quoting me. And I want an answer this time.
“In fact, there are other [Plejaren] ET remarks (some on our site, most not) that are even more strident and I frankly think should be understood as ambit claims for childish Earthlings, (apparently liberally brought into play in other places in the P’s material) like, to cite the extreme example, when we are warned, in no uncertain terms, not to even have Jews as friends, because they are so treacherous in their false “friendships” with the “goyem”(cattle). I needn’t tell you how offensive this is to me personally, but whether I like it or not, that’s what they say, and hiding the fact won’t help us out of these dark and dangerous days.“
I REPEAT AGAIN: “I needn’t tell you how offensive this is to me personally …”
Dear moderators, I am very concerned that the sort of contributions on this list which so many people (myself included) find so objectionable may be more than merely the result of simple cultural misunderstandings, as Scott has implied, and are much more likely a verbal form of 21 assassination attempts from the same evil sources. I respectfully request that you move Klaus's most recent question to Billy about me onto a more appropriate thread, and please take the above and the below into careful and logical consideration when deciding whether or not to allow Klaus's question to Billy to remain there without any correction.
Salome,
Dyson
Klausmaus
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Posted on Monday, October 30, 2006 - 11:28 pm:
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Dear Mr. Billy,
A person who fancies himself a translator and interpreter of your material, and who believes as truth the evil, vile, fabricated Protocols of Zion, has attributed the following sentiments to Semjase or the Plejaran Collective. Regrettably, he does not cite in what contact note it appears (red flag!).
…we are warned, in no uncertain terms, not to even have Jews as friends, because they are so treacherous in their false “friendships” with the “goyem” (cattle).
If this is actually something Semjase or the Plejarans have said, which I don’t think it is, what is your opinion about it? How are those among us who are Jews to interpret this?
Thank you,
Klaus
P.S.: If the above expressed words are not the true sentiments of Semjase or the Plejarans, then you have a serious problem occurring on this discussion forum as your ET friends are being personified by some people as Jew-haters.
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Gaiaguysnet
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Posted on Friday, October 06, 2006 - 11:10 pm:
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Hi guys.
Since this one is so painfully close to the bone, let me please just jump in with some clarification. Scott, as ever, please feel free to shift this if you decide it would be better in the “Translation” section, and sorry about the length..
"Celestialbrother", the Stevens' translation to which you refer in contact 70, mentioned by "Spaceman" is simply wrong, and exemplifies nicely the main problem people have when relying on that source of information. This error also reveals why I’m so concerned about people, who don’t yet know any better, simply posting English translations on this FIGU Discussion Board unaccompanied by the original German language and contextual references.
For the sake of comparison, we've left it all as is @ www.gaiaguys.net/Aryans.htm, but you will notice that we also state near the top of that webpage, "Please note: Several errors of fact were subsequently identified in this preliminary edition of the Contact notes by FIGU, and have been amended here."
(“here” being hypertext to www.gaiaguys.net/meierv2p406-410,v4p55-58,98-101.htm )
So let's compare the two versions, and go to our German/English dictionaries.
First the Stevens version, then the original German language I scanned from vol 2 of the Contact notes, followed by the unofficial translation Vivienne and I did recently.
Peace on Earth will finally be then when, this might-thirsty and murderous self-called Hebraon race-connection has become completely scattered.
144. Ruhe wird es auf der Erde erst dann endgültig geben, wenn dieser macht- und mordgierige und sich selbst zum Volke ernannte Hebraonbund völlig aufgelöst ist, der sich in verschiedene weltherrschaftssüchtige Sekten usw. aufgespaltet hat.
144. Earth will first finally be calm, then, when this power-hungry and bloodthirsty Hebraon alliance, and which they themselves named as a people, which has split into various sects addicted to world control, and so forth, is fully dissolved.
Not only quite a difference, but the word "aufgelöst" cannot be correctly translated as "scattered" by any stretch of the imagination. It unambiguously means "dissolved", like a lump of sugar in a cup of coffee is "aufgelöst".
Of COURSE this does NOT mean that individual humans of the Jewish faith must be dissolved in tubs of acid! It simply means the peoples (Volk) as a collective whole must - if Earth is ever to know enduring peace* - again suffer the fate they endured (as the NAZI/Zionist collaborators’ vile “solution” to what pre-war historians traditionally referred to as “the Jewish Problem”) prior to the modern state of Israel coming into being as a homeland for the Jews after the Holocaust, where - according to the Plejaren record-keepers, a little more than 4 million people were cruelly murdered by Hitler, himself a Jew, insane with terminal syphilis and bloodlust.
In a word; Diaspora, which the traditional Jewish rabbis have always so fervently desired in order to prevent the modern reification of the ancient prophecies from Jmmanuel (“ankle-deep blood”) that they are only too aware of from their own ancient scriptures, having survived the redaction of the scribes and the Pharisees of the time.
Only when you have an independent, sound and established (accurate!) historical context to this ugly and obscured topic, can one start to understand what motivates Semjase to be SO damning of an entire people. In fact, there are other ET remarks (some on our site, most not) that are even more strident and I frankly think should be understood as ambit claims for childish Earthlings, (apparently liberally brought into play in other places in the P’s material) like, to cite the extreme example, when we are warned, in no uncertain terms, not to even have Jews as friends, because they are so treacherous in their false “friendships” with the “goyem”(cattle). I needn’t tell you how offensive this is to me personally, but whether I like it or not, that’s what they say, and hiding the fact won’t help us out of these dark and dangerous days.
This is why I’m so sensitive about, at the very least, getting the translations right.
Peace in wisdom,
Dyson
* the other half of the world peace equation is: ALL the USAmerican soldiers must immediately GO HOME to their families and STOP KILLING PEOPLE all over the planet!
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Gaiaguysnet
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Posted on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - 07:59 pm:
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CORRECTION!!!
I was WRONG.
I was confused between the uncorrected published versions of the 1980 contact notes, and the corrected versions. I should never have paraphrased "Jews", but "Israelis", taken from Prophetien und Voraussagen which we bought in about 2002. This was later changed by FIGU to “the violent ones”. www.gaiaguys.net/meierv2p406-410,v4p55-58,98-101X.htm
MY FAULT! Sorry! :-(
I hope I have learned my lesson.
Moral of the story: don’t trust me. Do your own research.
“We of FIGU in every way constantly strive to treat every foreigner and member of other races equally in every way, although this does not eliminate our right to point out the errors and inhumane machinations, as well as transgressions of the law on the part of foreigners and other races, in the same manner that we deal with our own country and our own people. Our right to point out the errors of others has absolutely nothing to do with hating foreigners and other races. It is a fact that through contrary and moronic statements, some people conversely attempt to portray peoples and countries more favorably than they really are. To this end, they attempt to downplay, if not gloss over, misdeeds and horrors; and yet we are reproached for being hostile against foreigners, other races and Jews. These accusations are completely off their mark, and this is proven by the fact that we not only correspond with people of the Jewish faith, but we are constantly linked to them, and they even occasionally visit us at the Center.”
(http://www.figu.org/cgi-bin/search/us/search.pl?q=jews&showurl=%2Ffigu%2Fbulletin%2Fno2.htm )
Salome
Dyson
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Gaiaguysnet
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Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 07:27 pm:
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Thank you very much, Christian.
For the record: gaiaguys.net (being Dyson Devine & Vivienne Legg), also unjustly accused of racism, is not racist and we CATEGORICALLY REJECT and UNRESERVEDLY CONDEMN the vile practice of racism.
Salome,
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Tony
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I agree that klausmaus's most recent question he just put into billy which again questions Gaiaguysnets translations should be taken out by a moderator, because its pretty clear that Klausmaus is only trying to discredited Dyson/Gaiaguysnet website any way he can find.
The last two questions that Klausmaus put into Billy had the same motive behind them as the question he just put in now, they are all attempts to try to discredit Gaiaguysnet as a source for Meier Translations. His latest question to billy is unfair becuase all that klausmaus is clearly just trying to do there now is find one sentence/thing that is mistake in gaiaguysnet translations, and use that to discredit all Gaiaguysnet translations in front of billy. What for? This really sucks because Klausmaus himself doesn't really care much about any meier translations anyway, his never spoken or raised any constructive discussion on any of them before, his only out to try to get Dyson/Gaiaguysnet discredited in front of Billy for some vendetta is all he really wants to do. I don't think its right for this to continue any longer, because Gaiaguysnet are just trying to help others out with the translations. Thats all, and Klausmaus doesn't give a hoot about that, and is just trying to find a way to discredit gaiaguysnet in front of Billy is all. I don't know what his problem with gaiaguysnet translations is, but whatever it is, it sucks because to me, it only seems to be about a vendetta!
And the way that he acted in the Races, Racism and Rights section suggest that he believes that gaiaguysnet have got some sort of hidden agenda against the Jews, which is clearly not true!
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Klausmaus:
"Dear Figu Forum Moderators,
It is bewildering once again to see that you post more Jew-hate-inciting things like what Mr. Gaigaguys says above. Unless you know these things are true, and have full evidence, and put it in a proper context, you are doing the FIGU a great disservice by making it appear FIGU ENDORSES JEW-HATING."
Scott:
"Klausmaus,
You know that is not the truth, no one is inciting anything here. In my opinion, Dyson, Spaceman, Norm and others are only clarifying certain words, translations etc...
When you make statements as you have made, please back them up with quotations from various posts, and then state why you think the way you do about what is being stated."
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/6648.html?1160628796
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And Klausmaus never did produce any quotations from any posts to backup any of his claims there.
I don't know what klausmaus's problem is, but I think his latest question he put into Billy should be taken out because gaiaguysnet DON'T deserve to have to continue putting up with Klausmaus crap longer. In the last round of questions to billy, Klausmaus's question used Gaiaguysnet as an example in it, and in his eagernes to find a way of discrediting gaiaguysnet translations, he made a careless mistake in it in, claiming that Dyson doesn't hardly know the german language himself.
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Klausmaus:
"Do you think people with those beliefs should be doing translations of your materials and publishing them for other people to read, especially when they do not hardly know the German language themselves? Do you give your authorization or approval to such people?
An EXAMPLE is the translations of your material at the website www.gaiaguys.net. If your English is not good enough to evaluate these translations, perhaps Mr. Christian would be so kind to assist" |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 947
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 07:35 pm: |
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Hello,
Dyson and Klausmaus,
Dyson where did the statement "when we are warned, in no uncertain terms, not to even have Jews as friends, because they are so treacherous in their false “friendships” with the “goyem”(cattle). originate? Is it on the Gaiaguys.net website? Dyson one of the other moderators looked through your sight but was unable to locate this statement. Based on your statement "In fact, there are other [Plejaren] ET remarks (some on our site, most not) that are even more strident and I frankly think should be understood as ambit claims for childish Earthlings, (apparently liberally brought into play in other places in the P's material, infers to me this was a statement made by the Plejarens, and hence must be stated in some text somewhere. Granted you do not post all of the Plejaren material, but it might help in clearing this up. Klausmaus, would you please cite the exact location where this quoted text is published. After this information is received we (moderators) can decide the next step to take.
Dyson if I understand your corrections correctly you have since modified the term Jew to Israelis to Violent Ones.
I hope I have not made this more complicated than it is, or perhaps it is more complicated than I realize?
Regards
Scott |
Klausmaus
Member
Post Number: 29
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 11:27 pm: |
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Mr. Scott,
I would like to help you but have only seen the despicable statement you quoted in the same place that you did - on this discussion forum. Perhaps you may want to reread my post, but I thought it was pretty clear I don’t think the statement is true nor can it be attributed to Semjase or the Plejarans. It is difficult to prove the existence of something that doesn’t exist. Such strong claims require strong evidence, and the burden of proof is up to the translator. Like you said yourself, a person needs to stand by his words. Here is a message along those lines addressed to the translator that I penned before you posted your message.
Whawwww! Is that the sound of crying babies? Me thinketh thou dost protesteth too much. You create this thing on your own. If you don’t want Mr. Billy to answer the question, answer it yourself. Show the Semjase quote, verbatim, in German, so everyone can see what you claim she said and in what context. Can you do that or are you just making up words for Semjase? Very despicable. Like Mr. Peter suggested, you really should look in the mirror sometimes.
P.S.: Watercarrier Tony, you repeat yourself like a broken record. If you have some obsessive-compulsive disorder, you have my condolences. Did you learn that multiple/simultaneous voting fraud from your alter-ego Alan or Matt? |
Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 352
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 02:36 pm: |
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Dear Tony,
This was not a mistranslation. It was me wrongly PARAPHRASING as a result of my own confusion between the original (wrong) FIGU German version of contact 136 and the current German version corrected by FIGU.
www.gaiaguys.net/meierv2p406-410,v4p55-58,98-101X.htm Words in brackets, below, were errors from FIGU.
Sentence number 109. "Dadurch aber verblendet und eines falschen Mitleides voll, suchen die Erdenmenschen die Freundschaft der [Israelis] Gewaltätigen, die dieser Freundschaft aber in keiner Weise würdig sind und diese nur zu verbrecherischen Zwecken ausnützen." (But blinded by that and full of false pity, Earth humans seek the friendship of the [Israelis], violent ones but who in no way merit this friendship and only take advantage of it for their criminal purposes.
Dear Moderators,
Since you have evidently decided to leave Klaus's deceptive question as is for Billy, could you please at least let him know about my futile attempts at correcting him (Klaus)?
Dear Klaus,
I asked you a question* in my above posting, and I await your reply.
Salome,
Dyson
*(My question to Klaus from my 350th posting) "Please permit me to provide the context again now, and ask you PERSONALLY to tell everybody here why you chose to be so selective with your quoting me. And I want an answer this time." |
Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 353
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 12:19 pm: |
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Dear Scott,
Unfortunately, you have indeed made it more complicated than is already is.
Choosing not to post my calm corrections of Tony’s misunderstandings has also contributed to the confusion.
Please see my 350th post above, and the copy I made, therein, of my 309th posting @ http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/6648.html, which is now @ FIGU's Discussion Board » The Planet Earth » Races, Racism, and Rights » Archive through October 11, 2006. That is the ONLY place I made that unfortunate mistake, using the "J" word, and (also please see above) I corrected it @ http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/6703.html#POST23236 , being the "Translations" thread, since my mistake in PARAPHRASING was related to translations, and I thought it could not be missed there. I guess I was wrong about that too.
I hope that that 318th ("correction") posting clears up the matter. Please do look again at my above (350th) posting for the full references I provide for the source of my confusion, which I will reproduce here once again, http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv2p406-410,v4p55-58,98-101X.htm (Semjase @ contact 136) 109. "Dadurch aber verblendet und eines falschen Mitleides voll, suchen die Erdenmenschen die Freundschaft der Israelis Gewaltätigen, die dieser Freundschaft aber in keiner Weise würdig sind und diese nur zu verbrecherischen Zwecken ausnützen." (109. But blinded by that and full of false pity, Earth humans seek the friendship of the [Israelis], violent ones but who in no way merit this friendship and only take advantage of it for their criminal purposes.) Words in brackets were corrected by FIGU to the words immediately following them.
Just ONE of the more strident remarks that I did not want to publish is - as I have written repeatedly here on this forum - in the ENGLISH LANGUAGE FIGU booklet, "Those Who Lie About Contacts" - and it refers to the Jewish tradition of parents having sexual intercourse with their little children. Since the following is an official translation, I won’t scan the original German here, but it’s not a good translation, so I will scan the entire section if you want me to. It says many MORE things at LEAST as objectionable as this.
In Ein Offenes Wort (An Open Word) page 185. (from BEAM)
“1363 And how incredible must have seemed Jmmanuel’s teachings to all of them (Jews under the rule of the Romans) for they prohibited the people from joining in an incestuous manner with one another, as it was stated by laws from the birth of the Universe. Fathers were not to copulate with their daughters, nor sons with their sisters and mothers, and therefore they were not to practice fornication, as was the case amongst the Israelites until well after Jmmanuel’s days. (Understandably, however, this practice is stubbornly denied today by various factions).”
Vivienne and I DO do our homework, and we actually own the ($1600!) authorized 18 volume English/Hebrew edition of the Talmud of Babylonia, being uncontestably, the final arbiter of traditional Judaic law, (and it’s logical to assume that Semjase & Billy have studied it too) so I am prepared to quote chapter and verse from the Talmud of Babylonia if it is demanded of me here by FIGU. (Only we Earthlings can do it.) In fact, since people seem to have SO much difficulty coming to terms with the demonstrable truth about those chosen (ultimately victimized) by Henn (a.k.a. "Jehovah") perhaps I SHOULD provide these ugly, racist, hateful references so people can START to understand the background to these strident criticisms by FIGU and the Plejaren.
But I do not want to further play into the hands of the NAZIs, for reasons previously stated.
Dear Klaus,
I patiently and coolly await an answer to the question I put to you.
Salome,
Dyson |
Tony
Member
Post Number: 92
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 08:48 pm: |
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klausmaus:
"P.S. Watercarrier Tony, you repeat yourself like a broken record."
Thats a joke isn't! Ever since your number 2 post -
"Indefensible actions of an alcoholic and notorious Jew-hater"
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/6365.html?1154399724
to this post here, you've been continuously churning out the SAME old tune about people here being Jew-haters, and no-one has EVER concurned with a single thing you've said to date. Go back and have a look!
I don't mind if you THINK I'm someone else's watercarrier. At least they got someone - you, your on your own! |
Klausmaus
Member
Post Number: 30
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 12:03 am: |
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I have already written enough on this topic and don’t see the sense in saying any more. However, my sentiments could be summarized in the quote by Christian from OM, canon 32, verse 253:
…he who keeps silent if he sees that his fellow-human being is maltreated, is a traitor of performing one's duty towards life.
Perhaps you should explain why you take every opportunity for more Jew-bashing to incite your lackeys and the gullible ones, including twisting the words of Semjase and the Plejarans to meet your aims. Predilection for bigotry? Despicable. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 948
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 08:09 am: |
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There will be no further posts regarding this subject. Those who continue this dialogue, will have their posts banned, and risk cancellation of there "privilege" of posting on this forum.
In addition, Klausmaus since you continue with your negative, inciting remarks instead of using a little wisdom in letting this subject go, your question to Billy will be revoked!
Scott-Moderator |
Pathfinder
Member
Post Number: 64
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 01:29 am: |
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Dear Scott,
I would not want your job here!
Thank you so much for being a necessary part of our endeavour here.
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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