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Cpl
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Post Number: 37
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Saturday, January 01, 2005 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Eric,

That explains the system. Do you know where it comes from? I think I read it's an old, unsual system. Most are, I suppose.

Happy New Year to you too!
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Tjames
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Saturday, January 01, 2005 - 07:10 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear members,

I have a question regarding Randolph Winters. I initially heard about Eduard Meier through this source but have since come to find out that he is on the figu website listed as someone to ignore. My question is if he is not a qualified or recommended speaker and author for the The Meier case,(for example "The Pleiadian Mission" the book as well as "The Pleiadian Connection" the movie) than what has Randolph accomplished to get on such a list. If I was to take a stab at it I would guess he either did not get some information correct and or entirely made up sections. Although I do remember reading something about him possibly releasing information to early without permission by Billy. In either case I would just like to know the the truth of the matter.

With kind regards,
Tim
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Cpl
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Post Number: 38
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2005 - 05:20 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Eric, the link you provide there is excellent and gives a lot of other numerological confirmations too. There's also a lot of excellent material documenting the imaginative New Age creations.

Thanks again! I didn't have time to check it out before.
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Edward
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Post Number: 451
Registered: 05-2002
Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2005 - 05:47 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Eric...


Jose's excellent Knowledge concerning the - 666 - Negative Value, is well
known to the most of us on the board. But, its good for you to help
out...ofcourse.

There has been a number of previous posting concerning the - 666 - number
value. One just has to utilized this board's Search engine...and can have
access to the insight of mentioned, or other topics.


Edward.
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Michael
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Post Number: 445
Registered: 10-2000
Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 09:16 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Perhaps someone can clarify this. Any and all numerology done with the above system will always result in the name being able to be reduced to a single 9 value. So, is this system one in which the results, which can be two, three or more numbers, are not reduced down to a single number (9) but for which all of the various numbers have specific numerological significance (i.e. 63, 90, 117, 126, 540, 666, etc.)?
Michael Horn
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Edward
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Post Number: 454
Registered: 05-2002
Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 08:42 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi All....

Hope this will give you a Hint and more Insight.


Some 2,600 years ago, Pythagoras..."The Father Of Mathematics",
discoverted, numbers set a limit to the limitless. Numbers constitute the
true nature of things, and practically, all concepts can be expressed
with/in numbers.

He also elaborated on the qualities and relative relationships between
each of the 9 numbers, and became The Father Of Modern Numerology.

Pythagoras System

Edward.
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Cpl
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Post Number: 39
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Michael,

They all reduce to 9 because all the numbers/letters have been multiplied by 9. Many mathmatical tricks occur when doing this. I don't know of any actual numerological system that uses the x9 system that gives 666 for Jesus and Messiah. The additional detail at the link provided by Eric above is better for the antilogos meaning IMHO.

Regards,
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Michael
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Post Number: 446
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Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Cpl,

Thanks. I understand that since whenever you use multiples of 9 the sum is always 9. I just wondered why that 9 system was being used. I am more familiar with the system Edward posted, which yields all sorts of possibilities other than always 9 related numbers.
Michael Horn
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Edward
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Post Number: 455
Registered: 05-2002
Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 12:44 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Michael and All....


Yes, and Jacob gave a very very Excellent description of the "Universal
Mathematical System of Creation", Which IS....Creation it's self.

Being..it's Own "Clockwork"...just ticking and ticking....away; if I may
describe it in this manner. Just Calculating away! And awaiting for anyone
to Unravel it's Secrets to Reveal Events....etc.

A person as Pythagoras and The Cabalists, and many many more, have truly
just "Derived" their Numerology Systems...from The UR-Source know to us as
"Creation"...of course; the True "Unmeasurable Secret" of Mathematics!

And it seems that the Pythagorean system, and others..have a divers of
different calculation methods, also; depending on what One wants to
calculate and it's value.

Jose's calculation concerning the "Jesus Christ/Messiah 666" relationship,
and decoding, has been known to me for some decades now. I once discussed
this with friends back then. Thus, it was common knowledge. It is
well-known in old literature. And of course, One can Acknowledge...that
that calculation did not result, as it is...by Coincidence. It IS...
"Destine" to Be So! An Exception of the "Unmeasurable Secret", if One
can/may know HOW to Unravel this...I would think; as it is done just with
that simple 9 Multiple method.

As they say: "The Simplest things...can have the Greatest results."

But, again, I am not an expert on this. Just picked-up some things along
the way....

But for me, the Jesus Christ title, and what it represents and stands for..by
their Actions and Deeds from the past up and till now, Automatically Generates
to the Negative Value resulted - 666 -; it being The MAIN Product..to
Humanities Destruction...possibilities. I, personally, have NO need in
calculation methods to explain this to me. IT ALL..SPEAKS FOR IT'S SELF!


Edward.
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Cpl
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Post Number: 40
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 07:18 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I see, Michael. Maybe we are wondering something similar?

I get the impression that it isn't a system so much as just playing with numbers.

I know a couple of numerological systems but had never seen the X9 one before. If all names are increased by multiples of nine then 9 characteristics are going to be excentuated in all names considered -- which is everyone.

I can think of no logical reason for that, or why it should be made a basis for all calculations/names/personalities. Why not multiply all names by any of the other single digits, bringing yet different results?

If it's actually a system it appears to me a highly imbalanced one -- until I hear any logical explanation to the contrary.
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Eric_drouin
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Post Number: 52
Registered: 05-2004
Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 08:53 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello All:

The simple fact that "Christos" refers to an old rite in which young children were sacrificed, and blood were collected for anointment (beuurk!) and this reference was used by Saul-Paul to attract followers in Ancient Greece to his teachings is a an absolute negative degeneration by itself.

Think that this ritual is simulated during each and every christian mass (the body and blood of Christ) this reproduces the act of sacrificing a person every week (think also of Abraham, being asked to sacrifice his son to his god, think of all the Muslims that are sacrificing lambs by millions every year,). The idea of sacrificing is a constant in cult-religions. Micheal Horn is right: when will mankind finally wake up and stop this total nonsense? (I read your article Micheal on gaiaguys: excellent...)

Salome
Eric
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Edward
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Post Number: 456
Registered: 05-2002
Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 12:07 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi All....


Knowing that Pythagoras seemed to have kept Perfecting and Simplifying,
the Numerology systems, and maintained, that system(s) and it's values as
"Naturally and Pure" as could be. Making it much more simplistic for man
to access it's Secrets...to "Guide" them in their Destiney. For, as much
as posssible..Positive Out-Come, and thus, Postive for themselves...and
for Creation.

In the Contrary, to, as we all may know by now, the Jewish Cabalists and
Christians who not only Altered and Distorted Creation's Mathematical
Numerology system to their own Liking, and Advantage. This One can notice
from their Numerology Translations. And not to forget, what the Jewish
Scribes and Christians have done to The True Teachings of The Spirit and
The Laws Of Nature and Creation, and what they made..of The True Prophet
"Jmmanuel" and his Life's Storey, and other scriptures. They have
"Incorporated" as much as possisble..Their GODHEAD..in all their
translations and interpretations. As we can Conclude: Just another
"Repetition" of ENDLESS...Falsifying!!!


From my own Pythagorean calculations, Totals; concerning JMMANUEL and
EDUARD:

JMMANUEL - Vowels=9 Name=8 Consonants=8, is thus.. 988; than, reduce
calculated, it is our well-known Magical number of "7" !!!

EDUARD - Vowels=9 Name=8 Consonants=8, is thus...988; than, reduce
calculated it is, YES...; it is our well-known Magical number of
"7"...AGAIN!!!

And number "7"..being the Most Ultimate Spiritual number in the
Pythagorean Table of translations(and others!).

Amazing. Not??

Knowing that the both names, Jmmanuel and Eduard...play a Significant, and
Utmost Important role, today, in the Mission; they both had to fulfill
their tasks with the Creational Spiritual Positive Value Number of "7".


Coincidence!??

NOPE!!!

Just..."TRUE PROPHETICAL DESTINY!!"

Just another "Unmeasurable Secret" of Creation's Mathematics!


Edward.
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Darrend
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 05:23 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I found an interesting article, regarding India and UFOs.

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/01-06a-05.asp
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Edward
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Post Number: 457
Registered: 05-2002
Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Darrend....


Interesting link. Have been reading about this, just this last week.
Would be interesting to see how this all evolves.

I see they favor using Billy's picture of the Beamship circling around the
tall tree, as that being the same image as the cover of "And Still...They
Fly."


Edward.
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Eric_drouin
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Post Number: 53
Registered: 05-2004
Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 06:16 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi:

More thought:

To claim that an extraterrestrial race serves a dead earth person and an imaginary "God" is the same wicked thinking than to claim that Earth is the center of the universe, and the whole universe is revolving around Earth as the Church maintained for millenias? (for which they tortured and slaugthered so many, e.g. Giordano Bruno in 1600 )?

Is this another form of "ethnocentrism"?


Salome
Eric
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Der_beobachter
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Post Number: 25
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 04:12 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello again good FIGU Friends,

Just to let you know...

One of my main pages on the web that was FORBIDDEN in Brazil is again on
the "road". This page got more than 2000 hits in one month before being forbidden in my country.

"Freemasonry and the Church are the Enslavers and Owners of The Planet Earth: Joining the missing links together"

Read whole page ONLINE again with the help from my good friend from www.gaiaguys.net. Thank you Dyson, from the bottom of my heart my good friend.

Enter here to read my work of research:
http://www.gaiaguys.net/Herodesmason.htm
With links to http://www.gaiaguys.net/666.htm included.

Now you will understand WHO is behind the lies of "esoterics" and pseudo New Age and non-existent Ascended Masters trash that poison the minds of the world. The Real Enemies of Mankind and of the Truth!

Spread the news.

Be Well and Salome
Der Beobachter Edelweiß
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Memo00
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Post Number: 105
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hallo jay q

i hope you are doing fine

the "greys" are androids

and if my memory doesn´t fail

they don´t have black eyes
those are some kind of "sunglasses"
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Jay_q
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 02:47 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a question about the creation. It's my understanding that when you say "None of the 6 of the 10(49) life forms can unravel the mystery of all things" you mean permanently. We will never evolve high enough to figure it out? If so, how come when we reach that level and are perfect spirits with ultimate knowledge, its still off limits to our "ultimate knowledge"? If this really is the case then how come when we know everything we still wouldn't care that we can't find out, how do the aliens deal with this frustration?

my other less important question is about the andriods. I'm fascinated by them, they look cool and I want to learn about them and there culture. Any details would be appreciated i.e. culture, food, what they do for fun, what did they start out as, what they think etc. and also what is there government format in relation to all the other ET's and also the english definition of an andriod is a robot made to have human features, these are real ET's right?
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Truthseeker
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Post Number: 110
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 07:45 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've also heard that the US military may have and even grow some of these grey bio androids called the "MJ-RODs" which means "MaJestic-Robotic Organic Droids".

Truthseeker
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Hunter
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Post Number: 128
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anyone know which race created the grey androids?
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Memo00
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Post Number: 106
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Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi jay_q

i hope you are doing fine

androids are made by human beings to work for them,
i dont know if there exist androids who for one or another reason now "live",
and "reproduce" (artificially)
by themselves (without human beings),
but since the Creation is bigger than we can imagine,
i think that it may be possible in one or another way. . .(but that is pure speculation)

but what is for sure is that they will never be like us (even if they have human brains)
because they don´t have a spirit like ours

...........................................

to better understand how this creation (universe)
was created, etc etc

i recommend that you read the interview with Billy in the Spiritual Teachings section of the FIGU website

(obviously you will not find all the answers but it is a good beginning)

..........................................

one day WE WILL KNOW THE TRUTH
but neither you nor I
will be there

to continue the path of evolution we must
"dissolve"
we must return to the source,

to Creation

and that takes A LOT OF TIME . . .

we exist and evolve because that way the entire Creation (universe) evolves . . .

.......................................

without mystery

there would be no evolution

there would be no reason to live . . .

not knowing is only in part negative

ABSOLUTELY ALL have a positive and a negative part

to recognize your own ignorance

is the beginning to the path of knowledge and wisdom

for ET beings or for you and me it is the same thing

for your neighbours or for other human beings in other universes there is no difference

some may be wiser than others but it is basically the same

the answer to all answers always remain occult . . .

in fact

the more you advance the greater the mystery will be,
but dont worry too much

because the more you advance in this life

the more beauty you will see in each thing

the more marvels you will discover

and more joy you will experience,

then there will be no fear

there will be only love . . .

look carefully around you (and inside of you), and you will discover that

"where there is fear there is no love,

and where there is love there is nothing to fear"
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Jay_q
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Post Number: 5
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Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Which Race created the Grey Androids?

Phaeth please help (or a mod that i haven't met, u guys must know...)....
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Jay_q
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Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 06:59 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Phaeth: I understand creation but how do the ET's deal with this frustration of not knowing what made the first primary creation. Thanks.

(Memo00: No offence to be taken please, I want to here from a mod because your answer is very simplistic...)

(Nvm the android question this is far more important to me, if u can answer both thats great but this comes first, please help, this is the last thing that I need to understand.)
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Gaiaguysnet
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2005 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HOT news from Billy!

http://www.figu.org/de/ufologie/kontaktberichte/373.htm

On July 5th, 1951, 14 year old Eduard Meier wrote a 1,737 word letter, based on what Sfath had prophesized about the next several decades. Billy made 3000 copies and sent them to every world government, authoritative institutions, etc.

He receive not one single response.

On January 21st, 2005, at the 373rd contact, Ptaah announced that, Asket, one of nieces (!), had provided a very faded, but perfectly legible COPY of this letter, which has just been re-published for the world of 2005.

Typically breathtakingly prescient, Billy patiently explains - without being specific about the source of his information - that overpopulation, and selfish greed are going to bring about terrible future evils if not checked. He details, decade by decade. the climate changes, the ozone problem (in 1951!) and so on .... just as he did in more recent times. He is quite specific about laying blame at the feet of the power and religion-crazed U.S. Americans, and their friends like Israel. He warns against the return of the NAZIs. (We all know now who they really have been all along.)

He mentions legally legitimised (and taxed) prostitution, and how it will be a feature of the advertisements on the new television and computer communications technology which will be very significant in the future. He bemoans the destruction of marriage and the family unit through things like pre-nuptial contracts, and its commensurate child sex abuse, drug addiction, deliberately negative and distressing modern popular music, the rise of murderous/suicidal cults including delusional extraterrestrial saviours, and so on and so forth for almost 2000 words.

Heaps of spooky detail about the damage to the tectonic plates (! Remember, this was ten years before anybody had any idea about plate tectonics!) created by human activity, and there is similarly quite a lot of detail about new deadly pandemics, SARS (the disease that came from outer space) the resurgence of (seemingly) already "conquered" diseases, and the terrible danger of cross-species pandemics, and the subsequent denial about these lethal health dangers by the "responsible" government authorities who initially brand all exposure as lies. Environmental destruction is detailed. Deforestation leading to landslides, terrible floods, unprecedented weather anomalies, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Spot on. No mistakes.

Let's hope that FIGU pulls out all the stops to get this very important renewed initiative into the non-German speaking world. And let's hope they show us a .jpg for the graphologists, eh? Or is that going to be inadequate semi-plausible deniability????

Peace in wisdom,
Dyson/Djjson ;-) "Der Vorausschauende"
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Gaiaguysnet
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I have published some of the many emails to Michael Horn, which were generated by his hour with Art Bell's "Coast-to-coast" radio show on January 30th, 2005, @ http://www.gaiaguys.net/emailshorn.htm

Cheers!
Dyson
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Jay_q
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Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 09:23 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

how do they deal with the frustration...
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Gaiaguysnet
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Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear Jay_q,

You asked, "how do the ET's deal with this frustration of not knowing what made the first primary creation."

Frustration ... which is simply a subjective mood, for which each person is personally responsible ... is easily mastered in the long course of natural spiritual evolution. Don't forget that the Plejaren are way ahead of us in this regard. KNOWING that some things are forever unknowable, is all it takes to be able to accept that gracefully.

Have a re-read of Semjase's Introduction to the Spiritual Teachings.

Peace in wisdom,
Dyson
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Jay_q
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thanks dyson, i can accept that. Yea i have to order those books pretty soon, along with the "die meditation" one that was recommended to me... 1 other thing, do you know anything about the zeta's or the march 2004 sightings (mexico)?
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Cpl
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Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 06:51 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Has Billy, or the Plejarens, stated the purpose for the Great Pyramid? I did a search but couldn't find anything on this.

Thanks,
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Memo00
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Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 08:05 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi

its supposed that among many other things
the Great Pyramid has been used many times as a refuge during big catastrophes (like the flood) (there are huge structures below the pyramids),

and the different measures of it indicated among many other things the distance from the earth to the sun when it was constructed (aprox 74,683 years ago)

(the people that made them were so highly advanced that thousands of years ago they calculated all the movements that the earth would make (polar shifts, etc etc) so that
the pyramids would be in the exact desired position and orientation (with the stars, the cardinal points, etc etc)

and as many already know the pyramids represent Orion because that is where the people that made them came from (well the truth is that they didn´t "made them" but only made the "planes" because according to Billy they were made during a long long time by slaves, animals and only a small part with advanced technology)

and if my memory doesnt fail me that, its supposed that at some point in the future in some way the great pyramid will point to a very important event that will happen in the space

so its just a question of time until we discover what does the people from Orion wanted to say to us (or maybe to our distant descendants) . . .
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Jay_q
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Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 11:50 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cpl,

The great pyramid calulates the speed of light.
Notice "Pyramid" origin meaning "pyra" "mid", or "light" "measures", "measures of light", speed of light. The Eygptians were the smartest culture of life. A side note, there is a secret order that still practices these secrets. But hey, if i told it wouldn't be a secret ;)
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Peter_brodowski
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Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 09:48 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi to everyone,
perhaps one of the ladies on the forum could help me?
i dont know many guys who like flowers as much as the women:-) so i figure if anybody here will know, it'll be a female.
you see i am trying to identify a certain flower but all i have is a vague description of it. so if there is anybody out there who knows a thing or two about flowers and the different types of "species" or whatever they're called, please let me know.
thanks in advance
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Cpl
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Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the answers on the Great Pyramid. I've read stacks of books and articles out there about it. I just wanted to know what Billy and the Plejarens said about it.

Interesting, Billy said, "they [it?] were made during a long long time by slaves, animals and only a small part with advanced technology." Does that refer to the others, all the pyramids, or the Great Pyramid? I was just asking about the Great Pyramid, as it appears the others were just copies based on it.

We have it on seeming good authority -- the leading expert on Egyptology and a son to either the head of the expedition or son to the forger in the actual expedition who "discovered" the "signature" above the King's Chamber -- that the "signature" was painted by the expedition to be used as the final "proof." The son went on record saying the Cheops "signature" was forged to pacify English demands at home for a definitive answer to the purpose and origins of the Great Pyramid. It is, according to him, whose knowledge of Egyptian was greater than the Painter/discoverer, not written as Cheops would have actually written his name in Egyptian, and the paint was fresh when they were shown the "discovery". (Source: an old issue of "Ancient Skies" the official publication of the former Ancient Astronaut Society.)
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David_chance
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Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 07:03 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Additional information is given about the Great Pyramid in Contact 52 sentences 51-62. There it is discussed about the measurements relating to a far future "threatening catastrophe", that "now slowly the time becomes mature", and [sentence 60] "this event will be exactly then, when the solar light of a very far distant star, a central star, falls through the tube-like Opening of Revelation, which draws itself from the outside of the Gizeh Pyramid into the center, in a straight uninterupted line, and illuminates one certain point." Further information about the Great Pyramid is given in Contacts 38 and 70.
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Jay_q
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The greatest encounter of our lifetime (besides billy) is of course "The Phoenix Lights". Does anyone have any info on this phenomenon or phenomena in the contact notes or otherwise? Below is a picture of the craft (note: it is an actual picture not an artist rendering and also note that some describe the craft not only the size in the picture but at times the size of 5 boeing 747's in width and also morphing from one shape to another). Any info is appreciated.....
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Jay_q
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Memo00
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hi again

its supposed that not only the ones from Egypt but all the pyramids around the world were built at that time under ET supervision, but obviously there must be some copies too . . .
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Edward
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Hi All...

Concerning The Great Pyramid of Gizeh.

This was in conversation on the 256th contact, of 13 May 1996.

Billy mentions that Asket once mentioned to him, that not only the
pyramids in Egypt, but even those around our globe were originally built
under the supervision of ETs.

There were pyramids that were utilized as shelters from terrestrial or
danger threatening from outer space.

The many rooms in the pyramids were built under supervision of human
beings, of extraterrestrial origins from the star Orion. The rooms vary
in sizes, and for its usage. As well, as for purposes of, over the course
of time, as crypts and also as cult temples...etc.

This information is also posted in previous postings. Under the "Pyramids"
string.

Original source information see link below.

See:http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/contact_notes/256.htm


Edward.
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Gaiaguysnet
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Hi, Jay_q,

In response to your three questions:
1.) About half way down our opening page at
www.gaiaguys.net
, we have a big introduction to the historic May '04
revelation from the Mexican Air Force. It refers to a webpage I put together
here:
www.gaiaguys.net/ufo.mex.12.5.04.htm
which also contains a link to MUCH more
here:
www.gaiaguys.net/mex.ufo5.3.4.htm
These pages, in turn, will refer
you to various documents from the Disclosure Project*, for whom I am an Official
Representative.

2.) Regarding so-called “Zetas”: This is a dead-end misnomer used by people
who do not yet know that astronomers classify/catalog major stars by their apparent
brightness, called magnitude, using the letters of the Greek alphabet. (“Reticulum” is simply Greek for “Net”, which is what the constellation looks like - a net of lovely
little stars.) Alpha Reticuli is the brightest star in the Reticulum
constellation. Zeta Reticuli is the dimmest star in the Reticulum constellation,
and so on. So let's call these people “Reticulans”, in keeping with the Plejaren
practice, or at least “Zeta Reticulans” since that constellation may provide
homelands for other people as well. I'm putting together a webpage for these
guys here:
www.gaiaguys.net/reticuli.htm
and will be adding to it as time permits. You
might want to look at
www.gaiaguys.net/ufology.htm
for more hard-to-find-source documents.

If you are curious about the little Greys who publicly contacted Earth in
2002, (who may or may not be Reticulans) please go here

www.gaiaguys.net/Chilbolton01.htm
and follow the links. The Plejaren say
that the 1947 Roswell victims were bio-organic androids, but their own androids look
like them/us, so it's reasonable to assume that the Roswell androids also look
like their creators. Remember that we got the semiconductors that make the www
possible form the Roswell crash. This is covered in the Disclosure Project
material, available from the links in the Mexican material. Everything on our
site is free to take and copy/distribute.

From where I live, at 29 degrees south on east coast of Australia, Reticulum
is very prominent, but of course, is forever invisible from the temperate Northern
Hemisphere, as is the centre of our beautiful galaxy and all the brightest and most
colourful stars. Without the photochemical smog which now blankets the entire
northern hemisphere, the sight is indescribably breathtaking.

There is no reason to believe that Bob Lazar and his former
co-workers were told the truth by “Jayrod”, who told them he and his
ET colleagues were from Zeti Reticuli 1 and 2. The Plejaren are not from the
Pleiades either. For an explanation why the ETs don't want us to know their home
addresses, please have a read of this:
www.gaiaguys.net/fermi.htm


3.) Regarding the so-called Pheonix "lights" (should be "Pheonix MOTHERSHIP", as it was three miles across!)- I think the best source of credible information on this (and much more) can be found by going to
www.outoftheblue.tv


I hope this was some help to you, Jay_q.

Cheers!

Dyson


THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT,
www.disclosureproject.org
is a United States based, non-profit research
effort, which has over 500 military, government and intelligence community
witnesses with first-hand, personal experience with the reality of UFOs,
extraterrestrial vehicles and the ILLEGAL cover-up that keeps these things
secret. Our witnesses include astronauts, aeronautical engineers, men in charge
of nuclear weapons facilities, the former head of the British Ministry of
Defence, NASA photographic technicians, pilots, radar operators, FAA, CIA, FBI
officials and high ranking officers with top secret security clearances. We are
calling for open U.S. Congressional hearings.


The weight of the Disclosure Project testimony, along with supporting government
documents and other evidence, establishes beyond any doubt the reality of
reverse-engineered, advanced free energy and propulsion technologies,
(non-polluting, requiring no fossil fuels) resulting from the study of these
objects.
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Javiermaldonadotrevinos
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IMPORTANT AND URGENT

Message 001-C/Feb-2005.

Date: Earth, Feb 15th, 2005

To: Every body and every where on the Earth Planet (Terra)

Sub: The Meaning of the Human Beings on the Planet Earth.
---------------
Hi dear friends and human creatures, have a nice day or night.

Wld like to put at your discussion the meaning of the wisdom, not the material way how this wisdom will find us.

How far do we start to learn and apply about the moral and spiritual teachings and knowledge of way to live together on the Earth Planet (Terra)

The wisdom is not for everybody is for who is going to look for and who can look the true meaning of our lives here on this little planet.

Why are we here?

To preserve and safe the God creations and creatures!

* there are human beings more stronger than other ones, there are more wise than others.

But the common sense tell our conscience that our spiritual and moral behavior to share our brotherhood: every body needs from every body.

Love generate love, light generate light on our minds, hearts and souls.

Every human beings, as little creature will add and contributes with its little grain of sand to construct our Universal Love as our Lord teached us through each human beings, man and women of good will and kind lovely way to help every body.

The meaning of love on the deep of our lives, hearts and minds.

If would like to contact and exchange more about this topic, just e-mail me: JAVIERMALDONADO1957@yahoo.com,

Every msge/e-mail will be reply.

God bless every body.

Your friend and server,

Javier

Javier Maldonado-Trevinos
E-mail: javiermaldonado1957@yahoo.com
Address: El Calistemo 1008, Urb. Las Palmeras.
Los Olivos. Lima-39. Peru.
}}}Javier
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Jay_q
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Javier,

This site is about the mission of bringing messages of extra-terrestrials, it is not in any way affiliated with biblical teachings or dogma. Please respect the rules of the site (post your comments in the "Skeptics Corner" area. thanks
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Jay_q
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Dyson,

I like the outoftheblue site. Well anyway if anyone has additional information on the phoenix thing, let me know. thanks guys
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Gaiaguysnet
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My pleasure, Jay_q!

Actually, I did remember that our 500 page Disclosure Project Briefing document has something on page 94 about the Pheonix “lights”. You can download it here:
www.gaiaguys.net/DPBriefingDocument.zip
It’s a 914kb zipped file that unfolds to a 3.5mb rich text file. There are other formats and the DP 100 page Executive Summary linked from here: www.gaiaguys.net/ufology.htm And quite a lot more. Tell your friends!

Billy says that “streben” (striving/struggling/straining) is a necessary component of learning. Like constantly fighting the gravity that keeps our bones and muscles strong.

Cheers!
Dyson
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Norm
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Dyson, "There is no reason to believe that Bob Lazar and his former
co-workers were told the truth by “Jayrod”, who told them he and his
ET colleagues were from Zeti Reticuli 1 and 2."


I don't recall Lazar ever mentioning contact with Ets. In every video on him I've seen he says he thinks they were Et craft because of the seat size, but wasn't totally sure. The Jayrod Alien was another case as far as I remember.
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Gaiaguysnet
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Hi Norm! Thanks for that. You may be right. It's not really my area of expertise! :-)

And what of this, I wonder? www.gaiaguys.net/crabwood2002sab.jpg

Cheers!
Dyson
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Jay_q
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Gaiaguysnet,

Thanks for the disclosure article and congrats on a great site. I'm gonna ask billy the specifics of who were in that craft and what was it doing there etc. Keep up the great work on your site. A+
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Kiwilove
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I can't see where I can post this comment to? ie. in the right comments area???

Anyway my comment is - I like to know why
Randy (Randolph) Winters is on the list
of not reliable informants/etc with Billy Meier.

I am listening to the audio tapes he made, about the Billy Meier UFO Contact Notes. Are these not considered 'reliable' anymore? It doesn't sound like he's misrepresenting Billy Meier?

I am new to this discussion forum, so I don't know where to find any old posts relating to my query. Would someone care to fill me in? About the Randolph Winters / Billy Meier split?
Didn't Randolph Winters have any approval at all to make the audio tapes?
Are the audio tapes not reliable?

I haven't noted anything bad about Billy in the Audio tapes, or inaccurate?

I would appreciate any comments, thank you.

Harvey
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Kiwilove
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I'd like peoples' comments about how they find that there are no? inconsistancies with the Plejaren material and with what they have found, regarding their own beliefs about reincarnation, near death experiences, life after death and such information.
I need a brief summary of the Plejaren viewpoint, as I have used the Randolph Winters audio tapes as part of my source material about the Plejarens. Personally I haven't found any known inconsistancies within this source material, but then I haven't read all the material available through figu.org.
My main query is about the 'Fine Matter World' and how spirits use their 'time' there. Is not what we are told from various sources true? ie. A spirit is not merely 'sleeping' there - but is resting.
There is a quote, from a 1975? contact, that there were only very few genuine mediums who were able to contact spirits, and these were not publicly known. Would that still be true today?
There are two mediums in particular who appear to be very genuine in their television shows - Colin Fry (English) and James van Praagh (American) in their 'The 6xith Sense' and 'Beyond' shows who are very convincing. If this is the case of them being merely psychic - then it is somewhat confusing to the audience, as they seem to be in communication with 'spirits' as such. Ordinary local mediums are not so convincing, but these two mediums are far beyond the local mediumship ability (who don't have a high reliability hit ratio).
I tend to agree with the Plejarens stating that channeling is not reliable - and that such channeling is possible through automatic writing - because then you have the proof that the writing style shown is not that of the person sitting there doing it.
And the channeled material itself, doesn't seem to be of reliable trustworthy information - it seems to be more like science fiction material?

Thank you for any comments

Harvey
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Kiwilove
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This is actually pretty difficult to do. I try to do this all the time, but it is not easy. eg.

Someone mentioned in a post somewhere the claim that the Plejarens say that Apollo 11 was hoaxed, meaning they did not land on the moon?
There was a television program which tried to make the claim about the moon landings being a hoax, through what was thought to be discrepancies in the moon photographs. Some of these being - there wasn't evidence of the soil/etc being disrupted where the LM landed. People expected it to kick up some dust and leave some evidence from the main exhaust. (This was never satisfactorily countered).
Anyway there was a followup to this, in which a recreation was made to show that the various other points can be proven not to be true. (Most of these was photography questions - shadows pointing in different directions because of the varied topography - and other such like questions).
Anyway the rebuff worked pretty well, convincing a lot of people, that the Apollo missions were in fact carried out.

I tend to get the impression that the Plejaren material about the 'Fine Matter World' doesn't wholly agree with the information out there,
about life after death, reincarnation and
near death experiences. It's probably in general agreement though, it may be on finer points, there is some disagreement?
Like - spirits are not exactly 'sleeping' there?
Aren't they? Isn't it more like - resting there.
Isn't the spirit world a world of thought, in which thought has substance, such that spirits can create whatever they like out of thought?

What about the view about predestiny?
ie. We choose to live the life we are currently in, and it is set or arranged that we do meet certain people in this life. While it is still up to us, what happens when we interact with people.
That most times accidents are simply not accidental, but are in effect 'timed' to happen at certain times in our life. Also our own death,
is preset in advance - although we are not to know about it.

I tend to believe that all truths connect - and truths do support and confirm each other, when you look into them deep enoug - that connections will become evident.

Harvey
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Kiwilove
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I wonder if what the Plejarens held back on, as regards telling Billy Meier about - is- all the stuff that is about those who have the real power in the world.
This is the material that David Icke and others go on about --- the reptilians, Bohemian Grove, etc.
This is about the New World Order - the secret government of the USA, the black budget, conspiracies, etc.
Such an existence of a secret society has vast implications. One may well ask - was WWII etc (and all previous wars) orchestrated?
This of course would explain the matter of Pearl Harbour - that news of an impeding Japanese attack was known, but kept (not passed on) so that the USA would be shocked into joining WWII.

Reading such material tends to do one's head in, with the vast implications thereof with this kind of material. Yet it does explain many things in the world. That the world is not so stupid and silly as it really is, but we're all manipulated to think along certain lines - and it is this 'manipulation' that we should be aware of, and discard, and make moves to be separate from.
The trick is how to make the world aware of such manipulation and going ons such that we can move forward together as an emerging consciousness upon this planet, in which there are no secret societies and hidden agendas - so that the truth will be plain and simple to see - such that there will be no divisions between mankind on this planet anymore, when we see religions as they plainly are - 'manipulations' whose sole true purpose was to manipulate and control the people.

I just hope this doesn't all just sound silly?

Regards

Harvey
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Technod
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gooday everyone
in regards to the post by kiwilove on the subject of illuminata/reptilian connection,i have also seen these strange tales of extra-trestrial beings of a reptilian nature by david ike "of course not literally" .saying he gets information from an african medicine man or something by the name Credo Mutwa .
I do remember reading a recent release by credo m .and there was some things ,pointing to your usual delusions .it is interesting to do a search here on "reptiles"for a answer to a question posed to Billy.peaceb
brian
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Jay_q
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harvey,

Your living in a dream world. There are no munipulations, wars are wars, period. The thing that has been known by all the hundreds and thousands of great thinkers that mankind has known, is that religon creates wars and if we OUTLAWED all this relious B.S. than the world would not be cured but a step foward would be made.... unfornatly this wont happen for thousands of years. And to these great thinkers great pain is inflicted to their conciseness and others that live in this world (earth).
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Gaiaguysnet
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Dear friends,

It's only too obvious the there is an unfortunate tendency of simple Earth humans to grossly oversimplify complex issues.

In the early '50s, Asket said that - if open ET contact to occur (then), that 30% of us would worship them as savior gods and the other 70% would revile them as tyrants.

Billy was telling the truth (of course!) when he said the the so-called New World Order was basically a marketing ploy to sell books, (not to mention, lead us in the wrong direction!) but - in an effort not to induce individual irresponsibility, I think that many relatively well-informed FIGU friends have been led to underestimate the real momentum of the Giza Intelligences (deported in May 1978) http://www.gaiaguys.net/AYTF-Giza.htm This runs the risk of leading to thinking that all those centuries of evil, behind-the-scenes string-pulling, which promoted false religious teaching, child sacrifice, etc. is still going on.

They are gone. The Golden Age of Knowledge is upon us.

Please think logically. Would a "One World Government" REALLY be promoted by these evil transnational corporate oligarchs? They openly hate the United Nations, and profit mainly from selling arms to the various nations while fomenting the very wars that consume them. Be reasonable.

Please have a good read of the letter we just wrote in reply to formal accusations by the self-described Satanists (known as the Illuminati) against us for religious vilification, if you want to see who the real enemy of Earth people are in 2005.
http://www.gaiaguys.net/vic.humanrightsreply2005.htm

We can only have peace in love/wisdom. And we can only have a peaceful future, because without peace, we HAVE no future.

Beware those who - for whatever reason - would have us ignorantly believe that our ancient adversaries were the Plejaren and not the Bfaath.

In a recent (German language) bulletin, Billy did mention that - among innumerable other Human "races", there are indeed reptilian types, and there ARE shape-shifters, too, but David Icke - with whom I have exchanged correspondence - is writing sociopolitical metaphors.

Peace in wisdom,
Dyson
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Kiwilove
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I have managed to locate the information about Randolph Winters in the FIGU material, being mentioned in bulletin #8.

I like to ask about other sources of information, whether the following has been confirmed in any way, by the Plejarens/Billy Meier as being true or not?
In date order approximately as regards the material...

Lobsang Rampa - his first book in 1956 titled 'The Third Eye' but was at his peak of popularity in the late 1970s. He wrote about a lot of different subjects. I wonder if he is more 'correct' than 'incorrect' with his information?

M K Jessup published his 'The Case for the UFO' in 1956, is a landmark book. It is the 'Annotated Edition of the Case for the UFO' that I particularly wonder about. Whether those remarks made throughout the text were legitimate or not? Or were those annotations a hoax?

Did 'The Philadelphia Experiment' take place?

Was Al Bielek part of the Philadelphia Experiment? Are all of his 'claims' correct. This includes the Montauk Experiment and of his time travels?

Is Delores Cannon a reliable source of information? She uses hypnotic regression on subjects to gain access to detailed information. I had a tendency to believe her, until she seemed to confirm the 'resurrection'. Anyway she provides a lot of information, saying that the stone balls found in Mexico are actually crystals used to generate artificial lighting, and could be revived to provide light again, if refurbished correctly. She goes on about the ETs and how different countries have tried to get men into space, but failed, etc. I wonder if some of her information is correct?

Are the claims of Phil Schneider correct? Now deceased --- he claimed he helped build underground bases, and was lucky to have survived an encounter with a large Grey alien, in which a lot of men lost their lives. He went on about the shadow government/black budget.

There was a book about the 'Janos People'. Was this true?

I don't like the idea of conspiracies, and of the world population being manipulated by a small controlling group - but it isn't me, that has done investigations into this matter.
There is the idea that there is purposeful manipulation going on - is this for real?
Or that simply what manipulation that is occuring (religions - particularly that of Judiasm, Christianity and Islam --- is all about manipulating the population that they control) is not being controlled as a whole, but is just random manipulation independent each other.

But if you believe that the US government is being controlled by a so-called shadow government [which has gone out of control] - and that there are secret underground military installations throughout the USA - then the above fears are not ungrounded.

And I may as well ask - is there any truth to the MJ-12 Majestic Twelve material? At all? Are some parts of it true?

Of course, this is asking - if the www.disclosureproject.org is genuine or not?

No one likes to be fooled? by another
www.wingmakers.com

But the quickest way to discredit something is to hint at 'Hoax!' or yell it somewhere.
This has turned off a lot of people against Billy Meier - and likewise in his day, Lobsang Rampa.

Harvey
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Kiwilove
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I wanted to post this in reply to the Gaiaguysnet post - but I can't see how to do it? It would be nice if the interface was more inituitive?

Anyway - It would truly be comforting to know that David Icke was completely wrong with the reptilians having no power here on Earth, and that all his books were just a load of nonsense. It is not just one source of information he has - but many, and others have written the same kind material, independently supporting that idea, etc.
It is theoretically possible for some kind of conspiracy to exist, and it would be a huge relief to know that none exist today. That it was dismantled and rendered ineffective, etc. Kapaut.

I personally think that religion has to change, for us to be able to harmonise together. That it is time to recognise the truths from the untruths, and to reconcile everything properly. To see everything clearly.
The control structures in place today, should be seen for what they clearly are - and for those to drop away, in our religions - leaving the information behind.
We should all seriously debate the various philosophies of all the religions, which will allow us to see the unifying common elements in all of them. And to better understand each in turn.
Also our governments have to change, from the bungling top heavy beaucracies that they are, towards something more compact and functional.
Something without ego being involved, or popularity contests.

Harvey
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Hi Harvey,

Yes, I agree with you totally. I just got done watching an inside secret video taping of the Bohemian Grove in northern Cal. by Alex Jones back in June 15, 2000. I haven't even read your post yet and I find it very interesting that you just happened to talk about these matters just as I was purchasing "Dark Secrets in Bohemian Grove"

I don't know if you are aware of this but Alex Jones along with channel 4 and other news groups were the first people ever to successfully sneak into and record the demented ceremonies of the Political pundits "members of Bohemian Grove" in Black, red, gold and white robes worshiping a Giant wooden owl who speaks in Satinic voices while performing an effigy and re-created the horrific sounds of a human-being getting torched alive (re-creation or real it's DEMENTED AND EVIL) all while secretly recorded on Alexes hidden camera. Even brochurs were passed out which said
"Cremation of Care". These putrid sacrifices dates way back to Babylonian and ancient English cults which derrived the term "Bone-Fire" now commonly known as "Bondfire" Disgusting huh. It's even more surreal when you see credible eyewitness video evidence which pretty much eliminates "Living in a Dream World"!
Alex also speaks very firmly out against the Government's action in pre-determining outcomes and attacks on countries, yes even on her own country. For example military raids were done on small towns in mid-America shooting churchs killing dozens in the late 90's, taking out warehouses and other buildings even after town sherriffs told them distinctly not to. This all said to premise a secret government plan to implement tests done on the average human population just to "see what they would do"

Shortly after this followed Oklahoma City bombing in which original reports stated "a blast exploded out of the building" said by numerous credible witnesses including news reports. However later the story was changed to a truck bomb that took it out. But, when independed studies were done it showed and measured the blast from the supposed "truck bomb" which indeed took place, just no where near was the crater proportionate to the damage done to the building. The official report also couldn't explain away how the structural integrity of the building that was warped inconsistanly with a less powerfull truck bomb. This suggest's a cover-up. Why? To mislead the public and blame it on a terrorist group "which may have been in cahoots"

911 was next and countless unexplainable errors grasped the puplic but were imediatly washed away with spin news. So, just to prove my point that not only did terrorists instigate the Pearl Harbor incident, the first attack on the world trade center in 93' and the U.S. cole, but Government at the Highest levels aided, funded, harbored and assisted even carried out many of our past greusome historical " terrorist events" as we know them. Often followed by a sorry excuse to attack anther innocent country for greedy profit.

The evidence is insurmountable pointing in the direction of not only the U.S. govt. but many of the worlds governments all under one straw hat. Just ask yourself one question "Who stands to benefit from this?" and you'll almost always get your rat.

So when someone dismisses all the evidence that points in any particualr direction as just something from people "living in a dream world" would say, than this person is either extremely biast or is obviously in need of alot of thinking to do because after all isn't that what the entire F.I.G.U. bases their knowlege on!?!
Also, I think, if I'm not mistaken that the entire
field of science relies on the same back-bone called EVIDENCE.

Salome,
Tim
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Tjames
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Additional to last posting:

I should also add that I do not completely agree on everything Harvey stated. For instance, I think I have seen sufficient evidence of a sick manipulative Govt. some of who's ties and logic are a result from even more manipulation at some level by the Bafath. If I'm correct the Bafath have been removed a little while ago possibley leading some people to think that since they are gone surly large scale manipulation must be also. I don't think this is the case. I have seen plenty of evidence to more than suggest a hidden government opperation. Logically , the only reason I care is so that I can learn about it..A, protect myself from it..B, then do something about it..C,. I'm moving out of phase B
just as we are moving out of the picean era and into the Aquarian.

If I am wrong about the government and it's level of involvment concerning manipulation...someone please tell me where, hopefully with a sufficient response as to why as well.

Also, to Harvey I have heard about the Reptilian/Ike thing through Jordan Maxwell who is very outspoken about these things. I do not buy the whole thing only because I don't know enough about them. I do know that the human brain has a section within called the "reptillian" section, I think the inner most part. As for actual shape shifters, chamelions, reptillians and the like I am positive they exist some-where either in this galaxy or this universe. But, whether they are among us? I don't know. Show me evidence.

One more thing concerning our Government. I do not wish to go on and on about non sensical arguements and cause a big fuss with so-called "conspiracy's". If I see evidence I watch and ponder. I truly think that having a complete psyche with a balance of information is only healthy. I wasn't trying to mis-lead anyone either because I have learned well the importance of taking responsibility and not pointing the finger at anybody else. Even though sometimes, even if rarely, it is necessary to point so that truth may be exposed at all ends of the spectrum. This intent was implied concering topics with the Government on my last posting.


Peace Be With You All,
Tim
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Some things do not add up in the news ...

The 9/11 incident. Experienced airliner pilot John Lear said over the radio, that the hijackers could not have had just a few lessons in a Cessna to have crashed the airliners into their targets so very precisely, unless they had many hours of simulator training, for that exact aircraft. Particularly with the Pentagon hit -- that would have been difficult even for an experienced airline pilot, to have had such a precise hit, on so low a ground target.

There is some talk about Bin Laden not being behind 9/11 - that possibly Bin Laden was made a scapecoat for obvious reasons. I don't know if there is substantial evidence for this though.

What the government says is not necessarily true or accurate. Likewise with the TWA800 incident, there were several eyewitness reports of a possible missile involved, but this is quickly discounted by the investigators.

Personally I don't see why the US is so concerned about Iraq - surely, there must be something that is not mentioned in the US-Iraq relationship?
They never had a close relationship at all, so why would the US commit so much resources, and money, etc towards Iraq becoming a democracy? They were unwanted there, and it will probably all fall apart, without ongoing long term US (or other) support. The locals, obviously have to do their own security and law enforcement.

It isn't easy trying to discern the truth, when little information is available.
While the above are hardly, the world's mysteries - I have had an interest in the unexplained for over 30 years, so I am familiar with those kind of mysteries.

I had more or less come to the same conclusions as the Plejarens, as regards their view of planet Earth and it's religions, etc.
I know how silly the christian and biblical theology sounds, and have long took the view that Jesus taught reincarnation, and that reincarnation was edited out of the bible. There was a British television program which screened about 2-3 easters ago, 'Did Jesus Die?' that presented the case for Jesus having been resusicitated, as the Plejarens said. There was no mention or tie in with Billy Meier/Plejarens/Talmud Jmmanuel with this British television production.

Lobsang Rampa is the earliest source I know of, that has made some very strange claims, and I wondered if any of it can possibly be true?
Such as timecapsules of high technology stashed around the earth, that the earth was seeded by ETs (he called them the 'gardeners of the earth', whereas Delores Cannon named them 'the custodians') and said that earth civilisation reached such technologic heights 2 times previously, with the last time being that of Atlantis.

We do need confirmation about various sources of information, and not for the Plejarens to do things, like allow their craft to be filmed with an amateur cine camera, and then only for them to have the craft move as if via a pendulum - so that people will have to make up their own mind, whether the footage is real or not?
There is so few hard evidence, we do not need to have evidence turn up, which is still questionable?

I know it is the skeptics claims that are baloney, when they'll only believe in UFOs when an astronomer has seen one. They forget that a professional astronomer would most probably like to shut up about it, rather than have their career take a nosedive because of having a 'silly' reputation for seeing a UFO.

Harvey
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Hi again all.

As an Official Disclosure Project Representative, I always ask people who question the genuineness of our effort two things. 1.) Have you read the material available? (invariably "No") and 2.) How many top witnesses do you need if 500 is not enough? 5000? 5000,000? 5,000,000?

I didn't say Icke was wrong. I said his reptoids are not meant literally, but metaphorically. They are the core Zionist Freemasons.

Cheers!
Dyson
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I certainly hope that the disclosureproject is genuine and sincere - that it will get it's desired news coverage and support - from all quarters. I wish for that to happen very much.
And not for it to become another 'Alternative 3' British television program, or 'UFO - Coverup Live!' which aired in 1988? and the next day - nothing in the media about it, at all.

The video of the press conference of the disclosureproject is worthwhile watching.
Do you guys (and gals) confirm that Phil Schneider is genuine? And what about Al Bielek? Is any of his information reliable at all?

I do fully support Michael Horn mentioning to Art Bell on the air, about the formation of a peace keeping security force, that is formed from many countries, and 'they' been given the right to hunt down and chase 'whoever' is behind various terrorist activities. Likewise with an intelligence department with the same kind of makeup and role.
The important key, being that the US does not have control and influence over these two forces, and they be given the right to go into US territory, if necessary to pursue their investigations, and subsequent pursuit and apprehension of the people responsible.
Also for the US to completely withdraw from Iraq - and any other country where it is not wanted by the local people. If the local Iraqis still want the US in Iraq, then fine. They can stay...

Harvey
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dyson,

the disclosure project wont work. this government and religious corruption will take at least 1,000 years to start moving foward in a positive direction.
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Hi.

It’s neither the goal nor role of the Disclosure Project to evaluate private citizens who claim to have personal contact with ETs.

We are calling for open Congressional hearings and an end to the corporate media terrorism. We seek to expose – through the logical and independent corroboration of our hundreds of deep insider whistleblowers and their voluminous bone fide documentation – the existence of perfected suppressed technology (not just the working principles behind it) which will end our planet’s doomed addiction to filthy non-renewable energy sources, and the criminal infrastructure that pushes it down the throats of the deceived electorate. In other words, we promote decentralized abundance. I urge you all to read the material I have on line, which can be found in various places, and to which I’ve referred repeatedly in my recent postings. It’s free and is meant to be shared.

The Meier initiative is THE formal planetary contact, and has all you need to go on from several different sources: the Petale level, Arahat Athersata, the DAL people, the ancient prophets, etc. Having read almost all of it, I think that looking for celestial teachings elsewhere is simply misguided. If you were starving to death and presented with a sumptuous feast of all the most delicious delicacies, would you leave what’s on you plate and wonder if the floral centerpiece was edible?

We have been told again and again and again, that the “ufologists”, most of them dupes or paid stooges, have to be given an enormous amount of responsibility for the doom we are now facing.

The Plejaren tell us that Roswell was real, and the crew members were bio-organic androids. The autopsy footage (from both) was not of ETs. Betty and Barney Hill’s encounter was real ET. The Disclosure Project evidence indicates that a small number of the contact examinations were ET, most of the rest being Black Ops (described by the U.S. perpetrators in the Disclosure Project documentation). As far as I can tell, the only other significant modern ET contactee was Dan Fry. His work is interesting, but is a very diluted version of the Meier material, where Creation is still called “God”, and we get none of the rich background or detail. It’s sort of “Truth for Dummies.”

And of course “Crop Circles” are the other welcome ET enlightenment initiative.
Please see www.gaiaguys.net/ptaacropcs.htm and www.deepeningcomplexity.com

In short – forget the rest. And that about sums up the entire non-Meier contactees and channellers and experiencers, etc. Please don’t waste what valuable time we have left. If you’re serious, make the effort to learn German. That’s the only place you’ll find the nitty-gritty. If you are not BLOWN AWAY by what you disclover, check your pulse.

Cheers!
Dyson
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Do the conspirators ever make mistakes? See that's something most conspiracy theorists never think about. They believe the conspirators are all-powerful and never make mistakes.

David Icke as far as I'm concerned is on the wrong track and may be manipulated by the very same people that are feeding him information.
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Didn't Icke call them shape shifting Aliens. So I don't think he means metaphorically.
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Jay_q, I think I can say it will be less then that, the major events leading to the downfall of cult-religions are to be expected in 800 years.
It won't take a 1,000 years or more.
Jakobjn

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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I wish to mention the subject of 'The Janos People' which I read of a long time ago.

I believe there were two books written about this encounter. One being referenced here:
http://www.galactic-server.com/rune/janos2a.html

I read the other book - sorry I've forgotten the details of, I think it was by a woman author who investigated the family concerned. The writer investigates other such mysteries, and a lot of UFO stories, I believe.

It is about a british family encountering a UFO in 1978, whereby the ETs are the Janos People.
It seemed to be genuine. However nothing has since happened...

Harvey
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Hi Norm!

"Do the conspirators ever make mistakes?" Have a look at our opener @ www.gaiaguys.net

The asnswer is "YES". They sure did this time! They cannot swallow us and they cannot spit us out. The Disclosure Project 2IC agrees that the tiny rip in the soft underbelly of the Beast, that will lead to the rupture of the entire status quo, starts here in The Land Down Under.

Seems appropriate!

Cheers, mate!
Dyson
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Regarding the issues raised in these posts:

Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 02:45 pm: ææ
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Hi Edward, (Christian)

Hope you be fine, here is a question about a posible near future mega-tsunani in the Atlantic Ocean.

Since scientists predict that is may be up to a thousand years before the La Palma Volcano located in the Spanish Canary Islands breaks off and falls into the ocean, could
terrorists or something else possibly cause the La Palma volcano to fall into the ocean in the very near future, thus causing the Mega
Tsunami?

Best Regards,

Jose Barreto and Victor Diaz



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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 08:46 pm: ææ
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The Henoch Prophecies state:

"Even when the North American continent will be stricken by the most terrible catastrophe which will ever have been recorded, evil military powers will wreck havoc..." You have commented that the cause of this catastrophe will be both natural and man-made. I am assuming this catastrophe refers to the mega-tsunami that will strike the U.S. East Coast due to the landslide of the large volcanic island La Palma.

Being a prophecy, I understand the outcome can be altered depending on the thinking and behavior of the people. In this case, would that require America to end its quest for world domination?
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Now, this is from the Henoch Prophecies:

"With her global conflicts which are continuously instigated by her and which will continue far into the future, America is creating enormous hatred against her, worldwide, in many countries. As a result, America will experience enormous catastrophes which will reach proportions barely imaginable to people of Earth. The destruction of the WTC, i.e., the World Trade Center, by terrorists will only be the beginning.
Yet all the apocalyptic events will not only be brought about due to the use of unbelievably deadly and destructive weapons„such as chemical, laser and others„and by cloned murder machines; but in addition to this, the Earth and nature, maltreated to the deepest depths by the irresponsible human beings of Earth, will rise up and cause destruction and bring death onto the Earth. Enormous firestorms and gigantic hurricanes will sweep over the USA and bring devastation, destruction and annihilation, as this from time immemorial never before will have happened. "

And I recall that, somewhere Billy had answered an inquiry regarding the "real" cause or perpetrators behind 911 with something to the effect that people will find this out for themselves one day.

Putting it all together, with more conjecture, it could be said that the coming eruption of the volcano that would lead to the tsunami that would hit the U.S. (and other places) could have as its cause U.S. military policies. If terrorists detonate a bomb, or otherwise cause the volcano to erupt, it could be seen as a revenge cycle in the cause and effect game. Likewise, should the U.S. detonate an underground A-bomb test, use of bunker busters or conduct intense bombing, it could trigger the volcano, according to info from Switzerland.

Again, this could be viewed as us, the U.S., facilitating our own demise through that dumb old law of cause and effect. And, should it ever be proved true that U.S. elements were actually behind 911, which led to our attacking other countries, which led to an increase in terrorism, which led to more U.S. attacks, etc., etc. then it could also be said that we set in motion the cause of our own troubles.

Likewise, the same can be said for any warmakers, terrorists, etc. But the point still is the same, i.e. if we don't want certain results (effects) to come about, then we shouldn't set the causes in motion. Seems kind of simple but maybe there's something to simplicity of actions when born out of deeper thinking.
Michael Horn
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To all those who love to find answers for themselves.

The WTC destruction... some even "danced celebrating".

Quoting:
There are those among us who do have the courage and intellectual capacity to break free of the shackles of lemminghood and accept the truth when it is presented in a clear and logical sequence. To those open minded and independent thinkers I wish to state clearly and unequivocally. I intend to set forth in this paper an overwhelming body of evidence which should forever destroy the notion that a Saudi Arabian caveman and his band of half-trained, nerdy Arab flight school attendees, orchestrated the most sophisticated terror operation in world history. The idea is utterly laughable. And yet, due to the blithering barrage of b......t dished out by the government/media complex, "patriotic" Americans have accepted this ridiculous fairy tale with a religious conviction. As a public service to my fellow Americans, I have published the results of my research in the hopes of liberating as many people as I can from the oppressive yoke of media brainwashing and state sponsored lies. Do you have what it takes to break free? If so, read on! End of quote.

Read complete texts here to learn more about WTC -9/11

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm
Der Beobachter Edelweiß
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Hello Der Beobachter,

All I can say is THANK YOU! I urge anyone with an open mind to check out this website. This is the most concise and best documented info yet exposing the truth of 911. It is the most important issue of our time. Exposure and removal of the true culprits could prevent WWIII. However, it won't be easy. You are very wise to remain annonymous. You hit the nail right on the head. Watch your back. Thanks again.

Roy
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Hello Roy,

It is a pity but that webpage mentioned above about the WTC 9-11 being the BIGGEST LIE OF THE UNIVERSE, unfortunatelly, is not mine. I wish very much it was mine but it is NOT! Some very wise person did that work in the name of Truth. An annonymous WISE spirit...

Be Well and Salome

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."

Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860
Der Beobachter Edelweiß
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I don't want to sound cynical, but who are we to make any kind of difference to the world? We come here and we talk about our corrupt governments, and we write papers to expose them, and go on the radio, and so on, but what affect does any of it have? Of course exposure and removal of the true culprits could prevent WWIII. But how is that going to happen? We're not going to be doing it. We're just little people. The only way we have made a difference is through revolution. What we need is for the big boys to listen. The only problem with that, however, is that the big boys are all most likely corrupt. But that's the only way it's going to happen, unless the people unite and remove the "true culprits" themselves by force, which in affect is a revolution. Having said that, there is one other way. An opposing government can be established. Now I don't mean another party. I mean the entire system, away from the White House or Parliament, where the cockroaches have been allowed to crawl in. That is the only way it is going to be done constructively... I believe. Otherwise the only other alternative for us little people to make a difference is to start a revolution and remove every single individual from office, right down to the janitor. But don't flatter yourselves with your talk and writing. You couldn't possibly have any influence over those people who can make a difference. And if you have any influence over more little people, they'll propably be complacent about it and let current politics take its course anyway.

What the world needs is a blood transfusion!
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thanks much for that link, Der_beobachter I read it all and it helps me find more truth. the page has links to REAL racism wich is absolutley unacceptable! I wish truth wasnt masked by lies in every instance..
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The general reader has no way of knowing if the 9/11 incident was perpetrated by those named, as regards that website presentation of - AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF 9-11 AND THE WAR ON TERRORISM.

There are definite valid points made - which all point to the US Government (those of intelligence and security) do know who was behind 9/11 and are willing for Osama Bin Laden to take the blame, or rather to point to him being behind it all.
But like the TWA800 incident - 9/11 is going remain covered up for some time yet?

Just like with the Kennedy assassination - the real truth about it, still remains elusive. The real truth about that, is not known.
Some say - that the driver was the man who shot Kennedy - how could he drive and shoot? And get away with it?

We can only review what information we know about, and see if it is plausible and possible. If it requires some stretch of the imagination and still does not fit the facts, then you have to look at other theories.
The sad fact that comes out though, is that the US Government is not one to be trustworthy of, when it doesn't present truthful facts.
Sadly various authorities do not stand up to what they stand for. They are corrupt.

The man (or woman) in the street can do little to change the status quo, but the first step is to realise how things are wrong in this world, and to not accept lies (incorrect information) - and stand firm on moves towards worldwide peace and harmony, even if it means creating an independent multi-national force (that has no bias for any country, etc) that will stop at nothing to track down and capture those responsible for the worst terrorist acts on this planet. And their cohorts.

Harvey
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Hi Harvey!

The Figu bulletin #51 has someting interesting to say about the World Trade Center Massacre.

Quetzal: 30 November 1984

«Sehr schlimm wird es mit dem schweizerischen Nationalstolz werden, nämlich im Jahre 2001, wenn die Swissair durch verantwortungslose Manager und Verwalter usw. durch Misswirtschaft, Grössenwahn, überrissene Gehälter und Abfindungssummen für die ausscheidenden Verantwortlichen sowie ebenso übermässige Gehälter für Personal und Piloten usw. und für grössenwahnsinnige Geschäftsverbindungen und Geschäftsbeteiligungen, die in wirtschaftskrimineller Form, wie man eigentlich sagen müsste, eingegangen werden, obwohl das notwendige Kapital dafür fehlen wird. Leider wird es jedoch so sein, dass nicht die Verantwortlichen zur Rechenschaft gezogen werden, wenn alles soweit ist, sondern andere, die unschuldigerweise dafür haftbar gemacht werden. Fälschlicherweise wird auch viel Schuld dafür einem Geschehen zugesprochen werden, das sich am 11. September 2001 in Amerika ereignen wird, wenn fundamentalistische, radikal-extremistische Amerikahasser in einem Terroristen-Akt Tausende von Menschen ermorden werden, worüber ich die näheren Einzelheiten jedoch nicht offiziell, sondern nur dir im Vertrauen nennen darf. Es ...»

It will become very bad with Swiss national pride, namely in the year 2001, if the Swissair, by irresponsible managers and administrators etc. by mismanagement, megalomania, blown out salaries and compensation paid for the singled out responsible people as well as, likewise, the extravagant salaries for personnel and pilots etc. and for megalomaniacal business unions and business partners that are entered into in commercial criminal form, as one actually must say, although the necessary capital will lack. Unfortunately it will however be that the responsible persons are not brought to account, if everything has come so far, rather instead innocent others will be made responsible/liable. Also wrongly much guilt would be awarded as a result of events that would come about on 11 September 2001 if fundamentalist, radical-extremist America-haters will murder thousands of humans in a terrorist act, whereof I may not however announce the nearer details yet officially, but only to you in confidence. It.....

It's quite clear that the "fundamentalist, radical-extremist America-haters" mentioned above are the Judeo-Christian "End Time" sickos running the USA now.

And for more on this, you cannot beat www.wanttoknow.info

You write, "The man (or woman) in the street can do little to change the status quo...", but this is obviously not true, and this falsehood is constantly battled by the Renewed Spiritual Teachings, which tell us that we can solve these problems once we realise we can only solve them by collectively taking individual responsibility.

The solutions are at hand. Please see www.cheniere.org

My partner Vivienna and I are just two people with little formal education, living well below the poverty line, and we've achieved all sorts of progress with our website, www.gaiaguys.net, for only a couple of dollars a day. If you just tell people about www.theyfly.com , www.deepeningcomplexity.com and www.disclosureproject.org , that's VERY useful, and very simple. You hit the nail squarely on the head when you wrote, "We can only review what information we know about..."

If you dig into the Disclosure Project material we have on our site, you find the REAL (UFO related) reason that JFK was killed due to rogue emements within the CIA. And his brother Bobby, and Marilyn Monroe, and James Woolsey, and MANY others. The truth IS out there.

By the way, we have something in English about Special Bulletin #17 @ http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/1323.html

Salome, Dyson
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Hello Dyson.

I am very pleased to see you mention the work of Dr. Tom Bearden and the revelations of Dr. Stephen Greer and the Disclosure Project. I think a lot of people aren't aware of these developments.

The website (gaiaguys) is now bookmarked in my favorites. Some of the best information concerning the new energy (in layman's terms) is to be found there.

Back in 1998 I began studying Tom Beardens papers on the new energy. Not being a scientist I found it slow going having to familiarize myself with the terminologies and the principles. Now, Tom has a historic book -- Energy From the Vacuum, Concepts and Principles -- and IT'S ALL THERE FOR ANYONE TO SEE WHO HAS EYES TO SEE.

The really touching thing is that Tom Bearden GAVE THIS INFO FREE TO THE WORLD. Indeed, the cat is out of the bag. That was the way he protected it from being totally suppressed as it has been so often in the past. Where will it go?

I studied and studied all the diagrams of the Motionless Magnetic Generator (MEG) and figured that for about $5000 I could build one myself. Tom even told you where to get the special parts such as the core. Knowing very little about that kind of engineering and having no $ at the time, I tried to find some electrical engineer to help me. No success. I couldn't even fine ONE SINGLE PERSON WHO WOULD EVEN LOOK INTO IT!! ALL said "that's impossible!" hmmm Yep -- man will NEVER fly or be able to go underwater or travel into space -- it's just NOT possible! Wow ... it would be laughable if it wasn't so incredibly tragic. Anyhow, I had a lot of fun discerning that material and carefully going over those incredible diagrams. The good news is that the MEG technology is now proven having been duplicated many times. FREE ENERGY IS HERE! The question is: "will we destroy ourselves with it --or allow it to usher us into an entirely new age?"

I urge anyone who has not yet found out about this to look into it. www.cheniere.org

I have not heard much from the contacts about it and I sure would like to know what the Plejarens have to say about it -- since it is probably the most important thing happening in world history at the moment.

I am absolutely amazed to find out that the Plejarens gave the exact date Sept.11 YEARS BEFORE IT HAPPENED! (1984??) I suppose it is well documented from that date so people can't say it was a prediction made after the fact?

I'll write Michael Horn and see if he is aware of that. He should have this up on "they fly" immediately. Michael is probably way ahead of me.
Well, all I can say is -- this is getting really exciting and interesting to say the least!

Roy
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"It's quite clear that the "fundamentalist, radical-extremist America-haters" mentioned above are the Judeo-Christian "End Time" sickos running the USA now."

That's not what I thought. I thought they were Muslim Extremists. M. Horn has repeated over & over that Meier predicted the rise of Muslim Extremists. I always thought he ment in relation to 911 attack.
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"It's quite clear that the "fundamentalist, radical-extremist America-haters" mentioned above are the Judeo-Christian "End Time" sickos running the USA now."

Dyson, are you sure about this? It sounds as if they are simply referring to the Islamic extremists themselves, and not that the U.S. government was actually behind 9/11. What are your thoughts on this?

Namaste, Hunter
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Dear fellow FIGU friends!

Thanks for the kind words, Roy, and telling us about your exciting work on your MEG. Of course overunity devices of all kinds that do not need to tap the quantum vacuum have been with us since sailboats and water wheels, which also use free energy from the environment, just as the solar panels on the roof above my head powers the computer upon which I type this now, and the stove that cooked the food, which grew in our gardens, that powers my brain. It’s the “no such thing as a free lunch” nonsense that we have to expose as such. Dear bountiful and loving Creation provides us with free lunches everywhere we look! (As a P.S. I’ve included a little something that will be of interest, I’m sure.) Please see: www.gaiaguys.net/Free_Clean_Energy.htm And the secret cults like the (Bfaath-related) Freemasons (who were formed during the lifetime of Jmmanuel to thwart his teachings) have been in charge of suppressing the truth about all this wonderful free energy, anti-gravity, etc. ever since. www.gaiaguys.net/masons.vacuaons.htm But PLEASE don’t just BELIEVE me! Do your own careful research and reach your own logical conclusions.

And the 1980s WTC info from Quetzal was not released until after the event, in order to maintain the requisite semi-plausible deniability Please see: www.tjresearch.info/denial.htm


This brings me to the next topic.

Norm and Hunter, I’m QUITE sure I’m not wrong about the identification of the real killers, although that in no way suggests that there are NO crazy killers who (wrongly) think they are following the Koran, it’s just that they were obviously not the WTC & Pentagon murderers, any more than they are the ones now blowing enormous craters in streets all over the place. Even a very basic understanding of explosives – easily gleaned from any library – will tell you that conventional surface explosions don’t do that. A TON of semtex in a huge truck bomb that the IRA set off in Northern Ireland produced NO crater. Go back to Tom Bearden’s site and read up on scalar weapons. Any real fundamentalist Muslim is horrified at the idea taking innocent lives. Have you read the (badly corrupted) Koran? Let’s not forget that the Plejarens organized Mohammed in order to help thwart bloodthirsty Judeo-Christianity’s total destruction of the planet. Turn off your TV. Read and learn. The truth is out there.

Billy and our ET friends have told us again and again and again, that all they can do is help us to think by providing the necessary tools (spiritual teachings). They WILL not do our thinking for us. Anyone familiar with the way they operate will know that they will help us to think by providing lines like the one about radical fundamentalists, and this supports one of Semjase’s opening remarks in 1975, “We are here to cause controversy”, which literally means “talking back and forth”. And merely accepting logical evidence is still not the way to know something. We do not KNOW it until we have properly digested the logical evidence we have collected. All my work, which is openly published on my website, points to Mossad/CIA. And the seriousness of gaiaguys lonely work here in the Australian bush is substantiated by the black helicopters and military fighter jets that buzz around here (really!) seemingly whenever we take another important step in exposing the truth on our website. In 2003 we even got a nod from the ETs who make the crop circles! www.gaiaguys.net/chilbolton01.htm
Peace in wisdom,
Dyson

(p.192 Existentes Leben Im Universum - copyright 1978/1993)

Unerschöpfliche Energie

Das Universum ist voller unerschöpflicher Energie, ausgehend von der feinsten feinstofflichen Energie bis hin zur grobmateriellen Energieform. Die geistige Schöpfungsenergieform ist die feinste von allen Energieformen, aus der heraus sich nach und nach verdichtend weitere Feinstoff-Enegieformen ergeben, die sich immer mehr zu materiellen Energieformen wandeln. Beginnend von der ersten Energiestufe, die sich noch im Geistenenergiebereich befindet, bis hin zu den Molekülen und Atomen und zur Quark-Energieform ist alles in Energie eingeordnet. Auch Neutrinos und Neutronen sind Energieträger sowie auch die Elektronen, die ein ganz besondere Bedeutung haben als Energieträger. Electronen sind in unendlicher Masse im gesamten Universum vorhanden, sowohl im freien Raum als auch in jeder Galaxie und in jedem Himmelskörper und im allen Formen jeder feineren und gröberen sowie ganz groben Materie. Eine Tatsache, die schon lange auch den irdischen Wissenschaftlern bekannt ist.

Inexhaustible Energy

The Universe is full of inexhaustible energy, coming forth from the finest fine matter energy up to the coarse material energy form. The spiritual Creational energy form is the finest of all energy forms, from which all further fine matter energy forms are composed, which in turn transform into material energy forms. Beginning from the first energy level which is found/exists in the realm of spiritual energy up to molecular and atomic and quark energy forms, all is comprised of energy. Neutrinos and Neutrons are also energy carriers, as are electrons, which have a quite special significance as energy carriers. Electrons are available in infinite measure in the entire Universe, in free space and in every galaxy and in every Heavenly body, and in all forms of every fine, courser and very coarse material, a fact that Earth scientists have known for a long time.
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"Let’s not forget that the Plejarens organized Mohammed in order to help thwart bloodthirsty Judeo-Christianity’s total destruction of the planet."

I feel the context when that info was given was meant more to stop the spread of Christianity in the early years by creating a road block of Islam.To prevent Christianity from spreading eastward. Rather than meaning in today's world. I would consider that part accomplished! Now Islam has turned just as destructive if not more destructive than modern day Christianity

"It was Prophet Mohammed who saved terrestrial mankind from the impending downfall that had already been foretold through prophecies and was related to a sectarian Christendom being ready to viciously expand. This expansion would have enabled it to gain power over the entire terrestrial mankind and the whole world, threatening to exterminate and destroy with much bloodshed all those people of a different religious belief. Mohammed's strategy was successful, even though Christianity continued to spread farther after his end."

From the booklet "THOSE WHO LIE ABOUT CONTACTS"
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Phaeth,

Hopefully billy and they plajarens are right about the religon thing.

Salome,
Jay
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Hi Norm!

Thanks very much for that quote! Very useful and hard to find in the MASS of unindexed FIGU material. It's 10X harder when you factor in German too, as you can imagine.:-)

"Now Islam has turned just as destructive if not more destructive than modern day Christianity."

About this we'll have to agree to disagree, but you'd know that I condemn Islam and all the other spirit-enslaving false religious teaching.

Salome,
Dyson
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Hi Dyson and Norm...


Yes, I am also very well familiar with what Norm quoted. I myself have
used those lines from the booklet myself, I think it was at Pl'sRReal..
that I posted it.

I would surely agree with Dyson. There is just More to it.
In this case, 'It Takes Two To Tango', so to speak.

Thus, if Christianity was not "Curbed"...Thanks to Mohammed, Earth would
have Cease to exist some 500 years ago. But Still, Christianity is the
MOST GREATEST THREAT...on the face of the Earth. Some of us on this board
Truly KNOW..what for NEGATIVE VALUE..it represents, and thus...IT IS A
"EXPANDING" Negative BEAST OF "DESTRUCTION" with NO END!!!.

Good example would be: that Ben Laden had made in 2 of his statements,
that he wanted to Negotiate for Peace, which of course, was mentioned;
that ALL FOREIGN troops pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq. But of course,
Mr.Bush and his ARMY of CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS...would not go into such
proposals, and thus lead his CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS..to their Own Death.

In Ben Laden's second statement, he mentioned again, that he wanted Peace
for All, but again...Mr.Buch Declines..accepting such proposals and thus,
AGAIN....Leads his CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS to their own Death!

Thus, Ben Laden's reaction on this was in the context of: "What you do to
US....WE WILL DO TO YOU!!" Thus, - CAUSE and EFFECT -!

And I must add, that Iraq and Afghanistan, Saddam Hussein and Ben Laden,
were really Never Good friends with each other. They both View Life and
Religion in their Own ways. But now, since the Invasion of Iraq...They
have Truly Become TRUE ALLIES of each other. Truly Islamic Brothers
Helping one and other, in this time of Need; and Will manifest even More
through out Islamic world in the near Future. Which was of course, the
Biggest Surprise to the Bush Oil Administration and Co, and whom ever
enlisted to this WAR-Mongering pack of Howling Wolves.

So, as we can conclude; They Both continue to play Ping-Pong..and to await
whom will be the winner of this Worldly Insane Tournament! Just...
"Bulleting and Shelling" each other back and forth...with their
Destructive Ammo.


Conclusion: Christianity WILL ALWAYS be a THREAT to our planet, not only
because of it's NEGATIVE(Loaded) Value, But the Christians ARE....SO
"PROGRAMMED/BRAINWASHED" that they Truly "BELIEVE" it is their task to
free our world from All Evil; and Mr.Bush being The Devine(sorry
Dyson...:-) One. But, as we can SEE the True Facts...as it IS, That
THEY....ARE THE GREATEST EVIL...Put on the Face of This Earth!! And Have
to Be..."NEUTRALIZED". And when I mean Neutralized, not in any way by
Death, unless, One is forced to "Defend" One's self, as by the Natural
Laws of Nature and Creation. They ALL...have to be "UN-WASHED" from
their..Anti-Logo - Non-Sense, Illogic and Un-Reason - ...mentality; for
the good of themselves and Whole Humanity. For their OWN Protection,
Before...they KILL THEMSELVES!!(Speaking of suicide killers!)

It IS...The Bush Oil Administration and Co and his CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS..
that Throw More FUEL...Into The Fire. Igniting the Hate and Destruction
...even More; ever since the Whole Existence of man, and Earth; it been
compared.


What do the Christian Tsunami helpers do in the devastated countries?

They not only help the people, they even..bring Bibles along and pass them
around to convert as many people as they can to their False Christian
Religion!! And in the case of such manifestations, the Indonesian
government and stationed forces of the devastated parts of the country,
even sent forces to make such manifestations decline. And as a spokesman
said:" If they want to help, this is fine, but No converting allowed" This
IS WHY..the Indonesian government sent out forces, and to keep the peace.

Truly the Ones with "OPEN EYES" can SEE..the "MISUSE" the Christian
helpers are making by trying to Convert as many people as they can. The
SAME...was done in Iraq. In Hospitals, and where it was possible to
convert the already tormented poor Iraqi people. This is just Pure...
MISUSE...of One's Position and Hospitality in a country in need of help.

So, the Islam IS NOT...the Threat on the Face of this Earth, BUT...The
Insane False Teachings of the Religion called "Christianity"!!!

Billy and the Plejarans makes it very very CLEAR, the more the USA (and
Allies) - and her/their CHRISTIANITY - mingles in other countries foreign
affairs, the MORE HATE she will Generate towards herself/themselves! And
thus will ONLY...give Extreme Thinking Islamic, and Others, a Good and
Healthy Reason to Defend themselves even more! And thus, Through their
"JIHAD", thus, "STRUGGLE" to Conserve their Own Religion and own ways of
being, etc...etc, without Western Christian Influence, of any kind! Which
I would think any country would DO....if the were INVADED!

Thus, if there is NO...Common-Sense, Logic and REASON or Compromize..
forwarded from Both Religions, Truly, the Out-Comes/Effect...will be
Devastating! Truly, If Mr.Bush and Co do not come to their Healthy Senses
and "TALK PEACE", Man has Truly found his way to the Endless Pit and Abyss
Of DESTRUCTION!! Which speaks for itself.

It may be very very Quiet right now. But, as the saying goes: "Before the
Storm...there is Sun shine." Or, "Something is cooking, and when the
cooking is cooked, dinner is served."(not meant to be sarcastic)

But, WE...who KNOW..what "HIDES" behind the Christian Religion, KNOW..that
the Christianity IS...out there ONLY...to CONQUER our Entire Planet!! And
WHEN...this IS...Achieved...THEY..Will Expand their Insanity...Through out
the Universe and to every Corner of it's Body.

Spreading the TRUE Teachings Of The Spirit and the Laws of Nature and
Creation to Every Corner of Earth, and even to every Corner of the
Universe..IS...Another Thing/Manifestation. Which would be a Manifestation
of TRUE..MANIFESTING of TRUTH, which was once brought forth by the True
Prophet Lineage, and thus is WELL...DESERVED to be brought forth to ALL
Creatures of Creation, when/if possible.

But, Spreading the False Teachings of Christianity, IS Truly Signing a
"Death Certificate" to ALL Creatures of Creation, and even the concerning
CREATION her self, alas to say. This Will...be The CANCER that will
Annihilate ALL..that Creation Stands for!! And, Again, Creation Her Self.

Thus, A "DELUSION" Called "CHRIST" will Mean The Death to Humanity and All
other Life-forms. Christ is just a Figure OF "FANTASY", and thus NOT
Reality. That such a Delusional FANTASY Figure can Generated Such HATE and
DEATH to Mankind, Is MORE Than Truly....IN SANE!!!

In Opposite to the True Prophet Called "Mohammed", Whom was Truly a TRUE
Prophet sent out to "Assist" Man from the TYRANNY of Christianity. Even
though, his Teachings may be "Misunderstood" and "Misinterpreted", His
MISSION was Proved to be a GREAT SUCCESS to CURB the TYRANNY of
Christianity. But even TODAY, if this Action must be taken, AGAIN,
"So...It Will Be DONE!"

Jmmanuel makes it even More dan very Clear, that he was sent to Earth NOT
to make PEACE..., but to Generate - Controversy -, and if this be through
WAR...So be it. NO LIE...Can Exist that long as TRUTH! TRUTH...can
NOT/NEVER Die! TRUTH...Will ALWAYS...Exist...in the Unmeasurable Vastness
of ALL Creation(s) and The Absolute Absolutum, and BEYOND!!!!


Gratefulness To Creation.....

Edward.
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Hello All,
especially Edward, Norm, Scott(Moderator) and all other knowledgable persons.

I have come across some of Randolph Winters audio files on the net. 38 to be exact. I have not listened to any of them except for identification.
I am in need of some expertise in this area of material. Should Randy's material be ignored completely? And if so specifically why?

The reason I am asking is basically to find out if he is a fraud only out for profiteering motives, or is he innocent in this regard but has innacurate information for one reason or another?
I initially heard about the Meier Contacts through this source in 1995 and wondered just how far off is he. I don't currently read or listen to his material i only have a friend who is very new to the Meier Contacts who gave me the files. I wanted to be able to give him a difinitive response as to why Randolph is on this so-called FIGU "Ignore" list. I would greatly appreciate a response on this topic since this has been my question from the beginning of my figu forum discussions.

Thank You tremendously,
Salme: Tim
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Tim,

If you go to this link on the FIGU website, you will find Randolph Winters on the list of persons that the FIGU and "Billy" Eduard A. Meier dissociate themselves from.
http://www.figu.org/us/figu/critics/index.htm
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Thank you Jo Jo,

Yes I do know this. I was instead hoping to find someone with knowledge as to WHY we should dissociate from him. I already know that he is on this list. It would just be very helpful to know the reasoning becuase I have some buddies who will listen to Randy's audio files anyway. I would just like to tell them why they shouldn't trust his information and prevent further confusion.

If anyone is knowledgable on Randolph Winters in the reasoning as to WHY we should dissociate ourselves from his work, please don't be shy.
Email or forum

Tjames11@columbus.rr.com

Thank You,
Salome, Tim
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hello everyone!

i'd like to know the connection between the mayan prophecies and calendar and mr. meier/plejarens knowledge.
i just read a very interesting book called "the mayan prophecies" which explains the highly complex mayan calendar. it talks about the knowledge of this american civilization on fields such as mathematics, astronomy, etc.
it is mentioned the "pleiades" as their homeland after death. were the mayans in direct contact to plejarens?
a prophecy states that in year 2012 will begin a new more "spiritual" era.
what's your opinion on this?

thanks
saalome
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Norm
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Winters tapes are a good intro to the case. Then its up to you to do the rest of the research.

FIGU does not endorse, support or promote any Randolph Winters materials written or otherwise.
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thank you Norm,

This is exactly the case i am dealing with, although it is not me who is getting the introduction. "With hard work and honesty in openess you'll attract the truth seekers"
Just something i've applied to my life.
Salome,
Tim
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From what I have read somewhere (my memory can't recall the exact details and exactly where I read it) - Randolph Winters has reported on a new UFO contact case, which is deemed to be false.
I think also he's become an unoffical publicist for Billy Meier with no offical approval? from him. I don't know the history but his tapes are dated 1992? (Hope my memory is correct here).

It is ironical that Randolph Winters would become involved with someone who is not truthful, or that he could not see through the deception given to him. Perhaps his only real income and popularity was via the Billy Meier material, and he hoped that reporting on another UFO contact would provide much needed income? Such are the difficulties of being a 'writer', I guess.
Wendelle Stevens seems to have been covering other UFO cases as well, but I guess that was always what he did? Being an investigative writer.

It would be nice if the Plejaren / Billy Meier information was completely freely available - but I guess some money ought to be collected for the work that has gone into the process of recording the information and the cost for the translation process. Simply leaving it for people to send in their donations, does not generate a lot of income, I guess.
I don't fully understand why Billy Meier wouldn't accept diamonds or such material from the Plejarens, so as to enable him to work in peace without having money problems/issues to deal with. But I guess that would not be so 'spiritual' and perhaps Billy Meier doesn't like to accept such gifts from them...
I wish that the contacts continued because we need a lot of help from such a benevolent race.
I guess we have to clean up our own planet, instead of relying upon others to do that for us.

Harvey
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Hi Art, there is some information on the Mayan Culture discussed in Contact 134 (Plejadisch-Plejarische Kontaktberichte block 4 pages 34-35) as well as some comments in the "Your Questions To Billy Meier--Answered" section of this forum (a compilation of these is at http://www25.brinkster.com/chancede/Answers.html search the word "maya"). Kind regards, David
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Hi Tim..


RANDOLPH WINTERS [Randy Winters]

Below is what is mentioned in Bulletin 8.


http://www.billymeier.com/Periodicals/Bulletin_8.html

"Billy: ...Tell me: On February 13, 1996, Florena mentioned to me that
your investigations showed Randy Winters is not the only guilty party in
matters pertaining to the fraudulent, purported contact story in Miami,
Florida, and that there actually exists a man who makes these deceitful
contact claims. Furthermore, this Adrain collaborates with Randy Winters
who, in turn, cheats him and capitalizes on this liar and fraud by
commercially exploiting Adrain's material for profit.

Ptaah: That is correct --- this is precisely what is actually transpiring.
Winters is utilizing the falsified material of this Adrain, as he calls
himself, in order to enrich himself although he basically knows exactly
that the entire matter is nothing but lies and deceit. Winters is a
profit-hungry scoundrel, and the same holds true for Adrain who makes
every attempt to introduce himself to people with whom he can collaborate
and capitalize from his fraudulent story. As for Winters, he now exploits
this Adrain in the same manner he has applied to your material, albeit
with one big difference: Your information and contacts are the truth, of
which he is fully aware, while the Adrain story is a ruthless lie, fraud,
deceit, and charlatanry --- and Randolph Winters is fully conscious of
this fact as well."


and from "The Extent of Our Mission"

On the contrary: It is an urgent necessity that the teachings and the
Mission are disseminated and established throughout the world. This
applies also to America, even though it presents the greatest difficulties
and is marked by sectarianism, intrigues and deceitful machinations, which
have led the Pleiadian/Plejarans to sever their links with that region to
a point where the establishment of closer ties has become impossible.
Individuals such as - Randy Winters -, Roberta Brooks, the contact liar
Fred Bell and many other people of the same category contributed to this
plight because of the lies they spread regarding the contacts they were
supposedly having with the Pleiadians in one way or another. Indeed, some
of them even claim they receive messages and other things from the
extraterrestrials. All of these claims are simply heinous lies and vicious
fraud, for not one Pleiadian/Plejaran maintains contacts with human
beings on Earth --- except for me --- a fact the Pleiadians/Plejarans have
repeatedly and extensively emphasized throughout my many contact years
with them.

Billy.


and from: "Liars in the Pleiadian Sky"

May 13, 1996, contact with Ptaah.

On this list I must also include Fred Bell, who alleges to have had
contacts with my daughter Semjase, and Randy Winters with Adrain’s
fraudulent story about his purported contacts in Florida. Never have we
had such contacts with humans on Earth --- you are the rare exception ---
and currently no other contactees exist whatsoever. Furthermore, in the
future no contacts will be initiated with any terrestrial humans by any of
our peoples. If, therefore, anyone on Earth claims he or she is having
contacts with one of us, or with the spirit entities of one of our
peoples, you can rest assured this is a lie, fraud or charlatanry. As
well, schizophrenic processes, suggestive influences, self-delusions and
the like should not be excluded as possible causes for the individuals'
actions. Unfortunately, the number of liars, deceivers, frauds,
charlatans, and delusional individuals who claim they maintain contacts
with us, is constantly increasing. Every one of them, and I must strongly
emphasize EVERY SINGLE ONE, is simply an individual suffering from
derangement, schizophrenia or delusions --- unless the person is a
deliberate liar, deceiver, fraud or charlatan. It is interesting to note
that we Pleiadians/Plejarans became part of the Earth's public's interest
only after you officially began disseminating your mission material, and
making public appearances. At that time we were suddenly being exploited
by dozens of delusional people, liars, frauds, deceivers, and charlatans
who claimed we had or were having contacts with them. The irony of this
scenario is that these sick and dishonest people with their delusional,
deceitful and fabricated stories, are being accepted as telling the truth
by practically all UFO groups, although their fabrications bore not one
iota of truth --- while you, our genuine contactee, continue to be scorned
as a liar and cheat, and your evidence is defamed as being fraudulent. ---
It certainly would be appropriate for you to compile a pamphlet regarding
these matters so you can hand it out to everyone who is interested. The
sincere investigators, indeed all other human beings, are entitled to hear
about the fundamental truth."


REAL INFO ABOUT RANDOLPH WINTERS

Randolph Winters was never on the "staff of FIGU." He was a self-
proclaimed FIGU member who ultimately was out to cash in on what he
viewed as a marketable "product". FIGU's and Meier's disassociation with
him has been known for years. (whether or not Winters cares to admit the
truth of what really happened). His material,which I've listened to for
years, is full of verifiable errors, therefore why would you trust with
certainty anything he has to say?

Posted by FIGU in 1994:

Randolph Winters New Lies, Misrepresentations, Errors and Intrigues from
the USA Within certain circles in the United States of America, Randolph
Winters is a well known and popular man because he depicts himself as a
direct and authorized Billy Meier representative, and boasts,
particularly at lectures, of his close association and collaboration with
Billy and the F.I.G.U. - which is a verifiable lie. Without authorization,
and in spite of a prohibition by F.I.G.U. and the Pleiadians to do so,
Randolph Winters has the audacity to give lectures and radio/TV
interviews, and at the height of impertinence and disdain he formed
The Pleiades Project. Randolph Winters, who may be considered as one of
the Mission's greatest liars and profiteers in the USA today, has now
published a book with the grandiose title The Pleiadian Mission. In it he
unleashes information on Billy's contacts, the Pleiadian mission and
F.I.G.U. and launches wild and shabby proclamations that are not based on
any truthful background whatsoever. (The same applies to Winters' UFO -
The Pleiadian Contacts, a 16 audio tape set plus a book of drawings and
diagrams, and the video tape The Pleiadian Connection.)

Billy Meier and F.I.G.U. hereby expressly distance themselves from
Winters' deception and are able to state, after an in-depth review, that
the book contains numerous untruthful details and many lies as well as
misrepresentations, e.g., Randolph's claim that the contacts had been
terminated in 1978. It is a lie that the contacts with the Pleiadians
have ended on Thursday, October 19, 1978, and that Billy was incapable of
heading F.I.G.U., as Winters states on page 232 in his book The Pleiadian
Mission. The truth is that the contacts are ongoing even now (1994), and
neither the Pleiadians nor Billy are planning to end the contacts in the
near future.

Concerning the contact reports it must be stated that the 115th contact
took place on October 19, 1978, and that Billy has since had 174
additional contacts. Of these 174 contacts, 135 were official and the
basis for contact reports; 39 were of an unofficial nature and no contact
reports were written on them. At this time, late 1994, 250 official
contact reports are in evidence. There exist many very erroneous
statements in Randolph Winters' book regarding data, representations of
truth on Creation, and other specifications and statements of facts and
the like. The material Randolph Winters used in his book had been given to
him by Billy in confidence for Randolph's own use, respectively his
personal progression. In effect, however, the material was later stolen
and utilized for commercial and profiteering purposes without ever having
received any type of authorization to do so, without asking Billy for his
permission, or without compensating Billy in any manner for unlawfully
using his material and intellectual information, to mention but a few
points.

"Billy" Eduard Albert Meier


Tim, I think this is more than enough Insight into Randolph Winter's
practices.


Edward.
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Kiwilove
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Thank you Edward for the complete information about Randolph Winters. I appreciated the details given.

I do believe there are genuine people after the truth - and they just do the best they can in search for the truth. Their material may not agree with the Billy Meier / Plejaren material, but at least they try.
eg. Delores Cannon uses the method of hypnotic regression on various suitable subjects she finds. Supposedly by this method, she gets access to what appears to be the 'fine matter world' - the spiritual resources which are available.
It is hard to verify if her information is accurate though - but a lot of it seems to fit in with information from other sources, eg. Edgar Cayce.
She goes on lecture tours probably much like Wendelle Stevens does.

I think there are various writers who have tried in their own way to enlighten people - eg. Ruth Montgomery, Jane Roberts, Lobsang Rampa, etc.
The later two have passed on.
I can't recall if Jane Roberts produced any automatic drawings when in trance?
There's probably a whole list of such writers - in which it would be nice to know if they were accurate with the information they were writing about. To sort out the fact from the fiction.

Harvey
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Kiwilove
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I just like to add - that those who are in search of the truth, have but common sense to use, to aid them as to what is true and what isn't?
I'm not one with any special abilities but believe in using your brain, you can feel an alignment with this or that, and the reasons why. We all have to follow our own inner awareness and knowing, that tells us, that this or that is a correct path or not.

We do rely upon the experiences of others to help guide us. As in general life - you see people getting themselves 'plastered' ie. drunk, and you decide for yourself whether this is acceptable behaviour for you or not? Likewise with the use of illicit drugs, you don't have to take drugs to decide whether you want to participate in them or not. It's as clear as day what they are used for, and what effects you have to cope with afterwards - the addictiveness and withdrawl.

It is not so different with ideas and beliefs. You can comprehend certain ones because of what you are familiar with, and can understand.
I was never convinced of 'christianity' and the bible being 'truth' or the correct way of life/etc. I've never seen any signs of true evidence that supported either. All I hear are 'claims' and 'threats' - "Only if you believe in Jesus Christ - will you be saved!" What kind of garbage is that?

All authorities seem to want to cover their backsides, and keep their positions of power and authority, and they think nothing about lying. They won't tell you upfront they lie, but their behaviour suggests that they do.
The #1 commandment is - 'Thou shall not lie' - and this must be observed with sincerity and integrity. And to not have other motives involved. Having bias is not good, when in search of truth. Unless it be for the truth always.

A truly spiritual person is not interested in a following, or fame, etc. And certainly not amassing money (although to do good, money does help in this money-driven world).
You have only to compare Billy Meier with Sai Baba to note the huge differences between them, although both seem to be spiritual teachers. There are really bad stories about Sai Baba which suggests he is not who he presents himself to be. ie. He's simply a fraud and a fake, who pretends to be a holy man.
A person's behaviour reveals who they are.

I am getting off the beaten track here.
I wanted to say that all truth connect eventually, and Billy Meier does that. The Christians don't note that the Book of Ezekiel is all about a UFO sighting, nor that angels come from the heavens (sky) - and that can mean they are ETs or astronauts (visitors from afar).

The 'resurrection' of christianity does not make sense or add up (doesn't make any kind of sense at all) - such is the christian logic (there is none). There are so called New Age christians - who believe in reincarnation, that Jesus taught reincarnation, and that reincarnation was in the bible (traces of which still remain). And there is the Spiritualist Church who approve of mediums and communication with people who have passed over.
I always thought this was possible. I am not a new age christian - but I think their ideas are plausible.
People have yet to explain the whole mess of middle eastern beliefs - how come the Jews, Christians and Muslims share the old testament, and then disagree entirely with one another as regards the new testament/etc. You can't say one of these is right, and then dismiss the other two. Some explanation(s) are in order. Though it is easier to say all three are wrong and distorted, none are correct - though each in turn have their good values as part of their teachings, it's a pity it is messed up with false material, such that they don't know what is true and what isn't true.

Harvey
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Torrent
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Kiwilove, I totally agree with you.
Yes, I know why Pleiadian/Plejarans haven¡¯t helped Billy and FIGU financially, but it could have done through some other ways than jewelries in order to facilitate the dissemination of The Mission and Teaching. (I believe if that is the reason Pleiadian/Plejarans have come to the earth and contacted Billy, why didn't they just do so?)
For example, this commercialization (though neither Billy nor FIGU don¡¯t have any intention to reap monetary profits for their own) of lots of teaching materials either by FIGU or other publishers are somewhat frustrating because people can¡¯t get access to them when they don¡¯t have enough money. If you can¡¯t learn more about the The Mission and Teaching due to lack of money, well¡¦ this is just too saddening.
I imagine someday in the future (my dream is to make it happen in the future either by myself or by organizing a global donation charity) when we will be able to provide all the materials for free so that anyone around the world who want to know about The Mission and Teaching can easily download the book files or video clips without having to worry about money at all. (we will first have to purchase all the copyrights of materials owned by the publishers )

The other thing that financial is desperately needed for is the translation project of materials of The Mission and Teaching. It is not just that most of them are only available only in German ¡¦ FIGU websites around the world are available only in 8 countries, which means you can¡¯t get the basic information about FIGU unless you speak any of those 8 languages. This is also very frustrating. Most of the population are already stripped of the right to learn about The Mission and Teaching.
I am a Korean who can fortunately speak both English and Japanese and I can read books written in both languages and, believe or not, there are much more learning materials written in Japanese than in English. Especially lots of books written by Billy are available in Japanese while there is no single English book like that.
Yes, I feel happy and even privileged about that ¡¦. but I am in a despair at the same time because there is only one book in Korean about Billy and it is by Randolph Winters who has failed to represent the truth.
I wish we could someday expand the translation job in more diverse languages so that the teachings become available anywhere, anytime, and most of all, for anyone on the earth.
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Thank You Guys,

Edward, Norm, Kiwilove you responded in a very complete manner which is truly appreciated not only by me but my new but good friend Eric.

If I was to give a final word for myself about Randy I would say that his original intentions which may not be provable could nonetheless have been sincere. However, such sincereity was only shortlived because of his state of mind that developed into an irrational twisting fixation of his version of truth.

Even though Randy strayed from an otherwise good -hearted attempt, Michael Horn originally worked with him so this alone could be enough evidence to suppose Randy once had honest motives.

Not to hold Micheal on a high horse but Horn does have a pretty nice track record.

"Information is Power" it's just how you use it.

Salome,
Tim
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Claes
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Thank you Edward for that information. It also agrees with my current opinion.

I also listened to the audiotapes from Randolph Winters a few years ago when I was new to the information from Billy and the Plejarens.
Then I found the FIGU site and started to study the english and german information there.
The more I learned from reading the FIGU sites the more I found faults with Randolph Winters information.
Don’t get me wrong, I found the Winters tapes quite helpful and inspiring but I have realized that he often jumped to conclusions and in some cases presented his own misunderstandings as facts from the Plejarens.
He also did not respect the privacy of the people in the core group.

Perhaps the tapes can be a good overview of the case if you take it with a dose of salt and are sceptical and doublecheck things in the contact notes.

Even though Randy seems to have understood some of the spiritual info and retells it in an interesting way I feel that he jumped to conclusions and assumed too many things and was very caught up in the materialist way of life. Some of his own opinions he shared on the tapes felt quite colored by religious beliefs.

The person who introduced me to the tapes knew Randy personally and when I asked what Randy was doing then he told me that Randy had wanted Billys blessing or OK for his produced information and to sell it. My friend told me Billy did not give his OK and that then Randy went another way.

The more you study the original updated writings the more faults you find with Winters material.

*******************’
I earlier told Billy that I had listened to the tapes and asked if he knew what Randy was doing nowadays.
Billy said that they had not heard anything from him for several years.

When I asked what Randolph had done wrong.
Billy answered that Randy had stolen some photos from him and falsified fotos and other things. And that Randy was involved with Adrain in Florida.
*******************’
I have no idea what he is up to now, but if he is still searching for contactees and believing in people like Adrain then he has not seen the true value of the FIGU information.

Salome,
Claes
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Edward
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Hi Harvey and Tim...


Harvey, I have read some 3 or 4 books written by Jane Roberts back in the
70ties. I think I still have them somewhere in my books piles. In those
days, it was just a "Tend" and "Hip" to read those kind of books, and
Channeler's were just "The Order of The Day", so to speak. I found Jane
Roberts' books most interesting, and to have more Insight in such
subjects. Just like other So-called Mediums/Channeler's. It was a Trend in
those times and there were just TOO MANY of such people and I just come to
a Conclusion, that there was something very Fishy going on. Thus, it
IS...as Billy and The Plejarans have stated, that Jane Roberts and the
list which was compiled of the CONS, are Truly Fakes.

Jane Roberts did do drawings; she drew the personality of Seth. She did
her sessions under the enjoyment of smoking a Fat Cigar and some Wine or
Bier, as I can recall it. This was the manner in how Seth would Channel
through her, as she stated. And so, this is how she conjured up her
information which was than written down by her husband. She did do
automated writings as well as drawings, as she claimed.

So, I guess, she, as well as many other so-called Channeler's were, not
only Deceiving the people around them, but also even...Themselves.

And this would be just as Ptaah had explained to Billy. That they
(channeler's) are well conscious of doing such acts of Deceit for their
Own Gain, and/or are just Delusional individuals...etc.


Well concerning Sai Baba, if I am correct, he is a Fake and Fraud. This
was answered by Billy...to a question concerning the mentioned, if I am
correct. I must admit, there is a lot of Lights and Bells, and what
not...during his Show(s). Which gave me a direct impression, he must be
pulling his own leg as well as that of his audience(s). So, his Golden Egg
Trick, which he made appear from his mouth...MUST be Surely a Plain Old
Ordinary Trick. Just as the endless Sand...exiting from the clay pottery.
But I must say, the tricks look very convincing. Now a days, anyone can be
Fooled..by plain simple Illusionist's tricks...and call him/she self..a
Divine Entity. If Mr.Weiss(Henry Houdini) were alive right now, he would
have more than pleasure Unfolding such Charlatans, as he did in the days
before he died.

I have done much study in the past of as many Philosophies and Religions
and soon on, and even from India, and it seems when I would mention
Extraterrestrial Beings to such student(s)..they would just Turn Away.
They, just as all other Religions still seem to accept Spirit Beings as
still descending to Earth on a "Cloud", and thus, Not a Space Craft, of
any kind. But if One would do more study in the ancient history of India,
One would Surely Encounter Images of V like Air Crafts, and even Winged.
The "Vimanas", I think they are called. It has also been recorded that
these Vimanas executed WARS in the in sky; fighting each other in front of
the peoples..in those times.


Yes, I have been aware of the New Age Christians. They Do, in some sense,
seem to Interpret the Bible in a more "Sensible" way than the
Fundamentalist, of then and even today. I would fully agree with their
Interpretation of the Bible, even though, the Bible is Not a Credible
Source. Knowing how it has been a source of Distorted Translations and
Interpretations....etc...etc. It Is...just a Book of "Plagiarism"....that
"Distorts" the True History of the True Prophet Lineage and the True
Prophet known as "Jmmanuel". Please be sure you do some studying on Jim
Deardorff's web site. Jim goes in to all the Facts and Details. It is a
Must to Study, if I may advise you.


From my own study, Billy's materials and experiences ARE the True
UR-Sources mentioned in, as well the Bible and all related. Billy's
materials are Not falsified registered historical events of Earth man and
his extraterrestrial forefathers. His Materials ARE the True Sources from
where and others have "Plagiarized" it in their own way; it be - Conscious
or Un-Conscious, Direct or In-Direct, through Ignorance or through
Knowing, or for their own advantage..or not...etc...etc -. Thus, here, you
are at the correct place to study and come to One's Own Conclusion of
these Facts. It is all up to One's Self to accept these Facts of Truth.


Tim, Yes, I guess it did seem that Randy Winters was not that good of a
galloping Horseman. I guess he DID...manage to Fall of his horse. And
decided to try again and join the Derby...so to speak, where there is More
"PROFIT". But, as we can Conclude: he did Fall Through The Basket and
Horse...Again, and may not even ride any horses anymore these days. He
Truly "Fractured" every bone in his body by now....I would think.

No, of course not. I would think that Michael would be a very good
Horseman. He's proved him self of being Honest and Up-Right and Credible
to Billy and The Mission. I think he bought the correct saddle for his
horse, and to sit on and thus will Not Fall off. Just as James Deardorff,
and the rest whom Devote there spare time into The Mission...and Throw
In A Pebble. I Take My Hat Off for those devoted, which speaks for itself.

Michael's Material Proof is well appreciated and Excellent. And Jim's
Spiritual Proof...Idem Ditto. Both Synchronize very well to add True Depth
into the Mission...and It's Truth. I think many would agee with me.


Edward.
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Kiwilove
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I have been watching the television programs of Colin Fry (The 6xith Sense) English and James van Praagh (Beyond) American - and I must say they are very very convincing to anyone watching. There is none of that 'fishing' going on, that some other mediums tend to do, whose hit accuracy is not so good. These two have a very high hit ratio of accuracy. Fry's medium guests seem to perform similarly very high too.
I know that the Billy Meier material tends to frown down upon mediums (an understatement) - but these two television shows do put out good vibes and are of genuine service to those they give readings for.
That they are accessing the information via psychic means, and not actually conversing with 'spirits' is difficult to accept. If the information is inaccurate then I would doubt their sincerity and honesty.
The average local medium/psychic is nowhere near as accurate as the above mediums mentioned - but of course with the television shows 'edited' I don't know if he does have 'misses' with information? Colin Fry did a tour over New Zealand, so there was a chance for people to see entirely what kind of readings he did do?

There was something presented on 'Beyond' that I videotaped, and I have put some screenshots on my site below :
http://members.tripod.com/~plain2/page-a.htm
What is there, are 'spirit' photographs, the likes of which I have not seen before - not that I have looked at many spirit photographs, but those there, are very interesting indeed.
There are errors with the html presentation - sorry about that, I'm not that good with html code and I haven't mastered any of the html programs. If you can't access it via Explorer, try Opera?

I do collect audio-visual material, when I can.
eg. I have taped the entire segment above and have it on CDr/VCD format. I have many readings/material from those two mediums. I am trying to access whatever audio-visual material that I can get access to, via file sharing programs such as eMule and Xolox (both are very easy to use - and are free). I am collecting what I can, of the various Billy Meier material.
You can't access everything that may be available, as it's always a matter of luck and dogged persistance whether you end up with the whole file/program/etc or not? It takes ages upon ages and lots of patience to try downloading a large file from others. You are better off ordering the material directly, paying for them (I don't have the funds available to do that). But there's also lots of material which are not available anywhere else at all, that you can get access to.

Readers of The Talmud Jmmanuel, should take note of the British television documentary program - 'Did Jesus Die?' which makes the same kind of claims as in the Talmud Jmmanuel, and ends up at the tomb in Kashmir. There is no reference to Billy Meier or The Talmud Jmmanuel /etc in this program. This was screened here about 3? Easters ago.

If you want other pages to view, at my site, try these?
These are scans from Graham Hancock's excellent 'Heaven's Mirror' book.

http://members.tripod.com/~plain2/indexm2a.htm

http://members.tripod.com/~plain2/indexm1a.htm

http://members.tripod.com/~plain2/indexm7a.htm

Harvey
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Edward
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Hi Harvey....


Billy does mention that there are FEW TRUE MEDIUMS, which are very very
"Rare". This is from - An Interview with "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier --
Spiritual Teachings --.

Question 12. The terms "channeling" and "medium" are part of this
contacting the Beyond topic. What are we to think of them?


Billy: Individuals who possess the unique ability to link with a
transcendental sphere are called mediums. True mediums are very rare
indeed; and there exist by far not as many as one might assume since
countless people on Earth have come forth claiming they are genuine
mediums. But the truth is that the majority of such claims are based
purely on lies, deceit and fraud, on psychopathic self-deception,
schizophrenia or a multitude of delusions. According to reliable
information from higher spiritual levels, there are 16 genuine mediums on
Earth, but they do not cater to the general public; they neither advertise
nor reap financial profits or other worldly gains with their special
skills. We can, therefore, exclude all of these countless mediums with
regard to the authenticity of their talents when they go public to
accumulate financial gains or profits with their seances, seminars, books,
lectures, shows and the like. The same holds true of the channelers. To
comment further would be redundant except for this one thought: With real
mediums no religious aspects are involved as is the case with so many
phony mediums and channelers, who simply overflow with religious-sectarian
considerations, phraseologies, warnings, demands of humility, threats and
the like. Through these factors they clearly reveal their own religious-
sectarian dependency, which can no longer be ignored.


Harvey, I would think that today the number of True Mediums, than the 16
mentioned, may have increased, or decreased.

True Mediums would than indeed have access to the stored-record levels,
the so-called Akashic Records. And mentioned is: Every human being's
thoughts, articulations, feelings or emotions, stirrings, impulses and the
like, are deposited in the Akashic Records, the storage area in a
terrestrial hyperspace.

So, as you can notice, True Mediums can "Tap" into the Akaskic Records.

Billy answers a question concerning The Beyond, and if anyone can
communicate with the dead, and says: No. As a rule, this is impossible.
While in the Beyond, the comprehensive consciousness, which is capable of
reincarnating only as long as it remains with that particular spirit form
is, therefore, under certain circumstances, able to have contact with
living persons. Such a situation is exceedingly rare and is not related to
those "communicators with the dead" who refer to themselves as mediums.

On one hand, happenings taking place with mediums who allegedly are able
to speak with the dead, are simply based on their ability to tap into and
retrieve information from the stored records, respectively the Akashic
Records.



As what I can remember, Billy even mentioned once, that the "Wanna-Be"
Mediums/Psychics/Clairvoyants..etc....ARE Human Beings Of Terrestrial
Origin. THEY...are in NO WAY, in any way linked or related to
Extraterrestrial Origin! The True Mediums with the Talents to communicate
with Higher-Levels etc...ARE...from Extraterrestrial Origin, also due to
their Higher Evolution Level. Whom have Migrated to Earth in past times
from foreign worlds. Among the Earth population of 1 million, One can only
find that 203 whom belong to a Higher Evolution Level and are capable of
such contacts. They do not see fit, to Shine In The Spot Lights, so to
speak...etc. So, as you can notice, Billy does Not tend to mean to say
that ALL are Incredible Mediums. The 203, are just The Rare ones with
these capabilities. The 16 (or more) mentioned, which are also very very
Rare, would be the ones that are in constant contact with the mentioned
Higher Levels, on a daily base.

So, you may have not been aware of this above mentioned information, and
thus now...you are.

And concerning the ones you've mentioned in your posting, which are not
listed on the CONS list; we just have to keep an Opened Mind for. But it
seems that Billy does not list additional False and Incredible Mediums
anyone, as I once noticed; perhaps due to judicial matters that may evolve
here from? Some tend not to want to be Illustrated in such manner...I
would think? TRUTH...Does HURT!


Edward.
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Hunter
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Edward wrote: * Billy does mention that there are FEW TRUE MEDIUMS, which are very very
"Rare".

The brother of the husband of one of my co-workers was murdered in Georgia approximately two weeks ago. One of their neighbors corresponded regularly with a young woman in Iowa who called herself a "psychometrist". When told he had been missing, this young woman claimed to have a psychic awareness that he was no longer living and of where the body was located. She came to Georgia, and found the body. She also said there was a man responsible and a woman with three children linked to the event also. It turns out a woman near the area where the body was found admitted that her husband had threatened and physically hit the man. She has three children. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation has taken over the investigation as they believe local law enforcement is trying to cover it up. Story is here:
http://www.tiftongazette.com/content/1/7114/Body+was+found+by+psychic.htm
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Kiwilove
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Thanks Edward and Hunter - your comments are much appreciated. I can only remember there being mentioned only about 2? mediums referenced to, as regards genuine mediums, that Billy Meier was told, were genuine, and these would not be in the public eye.
But as regards Fry and van Praagh - they're not pushing forward ideas with their information that they give, and leave it up to people to make up their own minds. Which is fair enough.
There is an American television series starting to screen here, called 'Medium' which is based upon a real medium. It is nicely presented. It is nice when it is believable, even though the story is fiction.
Quite often in fiction, they have some parts right (believable) and then other parts are a stab in the wrong direction. I then find it disappointing and have a tendency to turn off on that particular program.

For a long time I have kept an interest in stories of the strange and unbelievable. Over time, I have an idea of what I believe is truly unbelievable, and ones which sound false.
When the witness(es) is creditable, I usually say the story is plausible.

For a long time I have noted the links between different phenomena - a simple example is that the bible of course contains references to UFO sightings, and that angels can be viewed as being ETs or aliens. So von Daniken was right in pointing this out.
Also that legends can be based upon events that did happen - gods being ETs that landed and passed on knowledge to mankind. Most native people have their own legends about gods.

The story about a high civilisation that was great, and then was destroyed seems to be a recurrent theme too - the question is, how many times has this happened?
I get the impression that it has happened twice?
Once being when ETs mingled with humankind, and another, at the time of Atlantis.
Were there any others?

Something that sticks out in my mind, when Rampa recounted the history of the Earth - was when the Earth was very young, and volcanoes were very active at the time, that the atmosphere was very different then. He spoke about a strange humanoid race being here, purple, I think.
Maybe they looked like the strange people that the ancient Japanese made statues of? Or something truly strange like that...
It makes sense that the atmosphere would be very different, hence humanoids living here at that time, would be very different too, and would be unlike humans today.

He did say that a great ark of space unloaded a lot of fauna and flora here, at that time - to speed up evolution on this planet.
I don't think anyone else has mentioned this though. He seems to be alone in saying that the earth was seeded by ETs...
Leaving it to nature would have meant it would have taken a great deal longer for life to have developed here.

Harvey
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Eric_drouin
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Hi:

Regarding Mohammed and what he was supposed to do, one has to consider what christiany later did to the native nations of the New World, from 1492 and onward which lead to the killing of a lot of people (Aztes, Incas, etc...) and destruction of civilizations in the name of an imaginary god. Think also of the Inquisition.
I there any other religion that did this in the last 500 years? Perhaps it made sense to stop Christianity.

Salome
Eric
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Lada78
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hi everyone! i'd like to get in touch with james
"truthseeker" i found out in another discussion board the city he lives in where i happen to have relatives.at least e-mail address?
i guess i could learn a lot from truthseeker.
i apologize if this is not the right board to post my message, but i didn't find any information on this.
thanks}
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Hi everybody!

Michael Horn said that this would be a good place to draw the attention of you fellow FIGU friends to an interesting correspondence my partner Vivienne (other half of gaiaguys.net) just had with Debbie Foch, who is the Coordinator of CSETI, being the “Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence”.

It’s here: http://www.gaiaguys.net/CSETI.htm

Although CSETI specializes in real-time, citizen-to-ET attempts, their name demands that BEAM gets some attention, at the very least. I’ll be pursuing this very important topic with CSETI in the future too.

Peace in wisdom,
Dyson
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Hello Dyson.

Thanks for all this information. You and Vivienne have tremendous dedication. I admire you and support you. I pray that your efforts in bringing the evil cabal into the light will be successful. Others are trying to do the same thing but these masonic "good 'ol boys" have been enscounced for a very long time. Once their secrecy is broken, they have no power. Let the hidden things in darkness be shouted from the rooftops.

CSETI interacts with "ETs" mostly on a mental level. Technology is certainly involved. In 1967 I had a similar experience on a beach in southern California. My mind and consciousness was "probed" (for lack of a better term) and I experienced "missing time." I have been determined to discover the truth (or falsity) of that experience without relying on hypnosis etc. I don't want to be influenced by any kind of manipulation. I am wary. What is this kind of experience? Is it really ET? Or is it VERY TERRESTRIAL TECHNOLOGY. Could we tell the difference? I've done some research into mind-control as practiced by the secret cabal. It is FAR more sophisticated than most people know or imagine. The Russians reportedly MAPPED the entire human brain. UFO and alien experiences CAN BE TECHNOLOGICALLY INDUCED. That's why all these matters require rigorous spiritual discernment and good healthy skepticism. One must go beyond the physical mind to the spirit within.

True experiences and true spiritual teaching match the fragment of Creation within. That leads me to say: don't "believe" anything you hear or read and only about half of what you see.

I saw the original press conference of Dr. Greer and his witnesses. It is clear that some of them appear to have eaten and digested disinformation, misinformation and outright lies. No doubt they believe it and would be glad to testify before Congress but WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF THEIR INFORMATION AND EXPERIENCE? Of course they experienced something highly unusual -- even strange. Too strange in some instances. To me, there really appears to be some inconsistencies and some peculiarities that indicate mental manipulation i.e. mind-control.

What do you think? Am I completely off base? To what extent is the whole UFO/alien presence paradigm being manipulted? To what purpose? What agenda?

One of the things which indicates a bit of gullibility on Dr. Greer's part is that he seems to believe that all ET/alien/UFO experiences are of a positive, evolutionary character. That would make him very vulnerable to deceptions which might be perpetrated by the evil controllers in their attempts at social engineering of planet earth.

Roy
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Gaiaguysnet
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Thanks Roy.

Here's THE best mind-control info source I've found: www.wanttoknow.info

A lot of questions there. Before I try to reply, can you be specific about the DP witnesses you think are being deceived? Have you read the DP summary & Breifing documents on our site? Have you read Greer's ET Contact book?

Bear in mind that CSETI is not the DP. There is a world of difference, in that the DP does rely on independently corroborated experiences, and documentation and that would have been reflected in the choice of witnesses for the press conference.

The DP continues to have our support as the BEST way to get the truth to the USAmericans about their REAL government and what is being illegally suppressed.

Who and why?

Here are a couple of things we wrote that might provide some answers:

www.gaiaguys.net/vic.humanrightsreply2005.htm

And one from a couple years ago to our "National Security Hotline" www.gaiaguys.net/NSHotline3.2.03.htm

Salome,
Dyson
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Hi Dyson.

The whole UFO covert operations are highly compartmentalized. Everything is on a "need to know" basis except at the very highest levels which no one has yet penetrated. Each of the DP witnesses knows a slightly different "aspect" of the subject and are pretty well confined to the area of their expertise.

I noticed when I heard the press conference that some of the testimony seemed conflicting, even confused. Sorry, I can't give you specifics at the moment not having the transcripts in front of me. However, the point is this: once a person has clearance at such a high level they are tied to the National Security State for life. The way "black ops" works is to feed misinformation/disinformation to their own people in order that just in case they should ever become "whistle blowers" the truth they think they know will be obscure, impossible to verify or easily discredited. Also, whenever anyone retires or quits from their high level National Security job, they are "debriefed." This is an electromagnetic and pharmaceutical process that can distort memories or even inject false memories.

This "debriefing" makes them less "dangerous" to the National Security State even if they later violate their NS oaths. I suspect that there is quite a bit of this tampering with Dr. Greer's witnesses. That's why they aren't already dead. Their testimonies seemed to support many of the common internet legends concerning "J-rods", the "Omnipotent Krill", the "Yellow book", the story about Eisenhower meeting with large nosed grey aliens etc.. I'd be interested to see some of the real "hard" evidence if any exists at all -- not just documents easily faked.

You see, the entire UFO/alien paradigm is considered to be a PSYOPS -- a "psychological operation." There is definitely "social psychological engineering" involved. Someone who is very "terrestrial" wants us to "believe" certain things about the subject. Examine Hollywood movies such as "Independence Day", "Aliens" and the "Matrix" series. There is no doubt that "fear" is one of those items being socially engineered into our population.

I finally saw "Matrix 3." It seems to me that the "message" in that movie is: "even if you think you've overcome the bad guys and enter into a new age of peace -- YOU ARE STILL CONTROLLED BY THE ILLUSORY MATRIX -- WHICH WILL CONTINUE TO VAMPIRIZE YOU FOREVER.

If Congress ever looks into the UFO/alien question, which I doubt, they will have quite a job on their hands sorting the flotsam from the jetsome -- and quite a bit of obfuscation to sort through. That's why the secret government is not at all worried about Dr. Greer and his DP.

My relative (now deceased) was a covert military operative who told me that he was once taken to a secret undergound base and shown alien bodies in cryonic tubes and a huge flying saucer. He was given a silent demonstration where a white hot blow torch was held on the skin of the craft. Immediately after the torch was removed he was told to put his hand on the very spot where the torch had been. It was cold.

They told him that the day might come when he'd be called upon to "guard" these things in case of National Emergency. He was told that these were the United States' greatest secrets and he was not allowed to ask questions and was told to remain silent or die. He did die young, apparently of "natural" causes.

This whole thing is not near as simple and rational as Dr. Greer seems to think. First of all, our entire government is now totally subverted to "play ball" with the NWO agenda and secondly, there is enough misinfo injected into the witnesses to make them look foolish before a congress whose real agenda would be to dump any "disclosure" as soon as possible.

I think ultimately "disclosure" will be up to the ETs themselves -- like the Plejarens through their supreme spritual teaching. Also, the ones dealing with the U.S. government promising technology, weaponry etc. apparently do not have our highest good at heart -- to put it mildly. Billy says that the Plejarens made an attempt at contacting the U.S. government (1975?) but were rejected. That was probably because they did not offer false promises of magic hardware and weaponry. Even according to some of the witnesses, the ETs reportedly working with the U.S. secret government are notorious liars -- a point Dr. Greer does not seem to fully grasp being an honest yet naive man who thinks he has more support within the U.S. government than he actually does.

This is just my opinion based upon what I've discovered about the "secret government" and covert "black" operations.

I would be thrilled to find out I am dead wrong.

Regards,

Roy
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Gaiaguysnet
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Dear Roy,

Thanks for your greatly valued comments. Although of course you make some very valid points, your views also demonstrate an ignorance of some of the facts.

You should be thrilled. I think if you do your homework you’ll find you are dead wrong.

Have you read Dr Greer’s “ET Contact” book yet? It is a very valuable book, not only to see where it diverges from what we German-language readers have learned to be true from FIGU, but more importantly where he agrees. I think this is particularly interesting and significant when it comes to spiritual matters.

Dr Greer is one of the least naïve people you can find on the topic of the USA and their ET relations, and, although I accept that there are intrinsic difficulties with disclosing this matter, these difficulties have been taken well into consideration. Strangely, I’m now in to process of trying hard to deliver the (politically incorrect) truth about BEAM to Greer’s “Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence” which seems very unconcerned with all this scientific proof provided to The Herald of the Golden Age, in spite of our coordinator telling me twice in personal correspondence that our Director, Steven Greer, “believes” that Billy is telling the truth. Even CSETI is seemingly just made up of regular Earth folks, (believers) like most of the rest of us, who cannot accept the iconoclasms from Billy. And we must – of course – allow those who do not wish to (or cannot) believe the truth their basic human right to reject it.

Sadly, even (especially!) the “scientists” are – being only Earth humans after all – largely victims of the poison of centuries of false religious teaching, and are not really prepared to follow the true scientific method down the path in a direction which may force them to climb out of the rut they’ve settled comfortably into. Can you imagine the average US citizen’s repelled reaction to the Disclosure Project if Dr Greer announced that there was a formal and amalgamated (public!) ET contact initiative going on in Switzerland already, and that the ET were openly critical of their sacred slash-and-burn American Way of Life? In that popular paradigm, if you don’t like the message, you shoot the messenger and reject all uncomfortable truths as lies. After all – the DP is trying to attract USAmericans to the truth, not repel them, and the hard language of truth is not a message that is welcome.

But remember who controls the corporate media and PLEASE don’t look to popular U.S. sci-fi movies as a source of valid information! www.gaiaguys.net/DP.MEDIA.PLAY29.4.04.htm

These illegally suppressed devices are not magic and do exist. www.cheniere.org Exposing this fact is the primary goal of the Disclosure Project, and the role of its sister organization www.seaspower.com is developing them. FIGU, and the artistic ETs who make the “crop circles”, do a better job with advancing the ET truth, but they (almost) ignore the truth about the suppression of the technology.

Nobody does the links with the untouchable high-society Freemason pedophiles but gaiaguys! Go figure!

But ET disclosure – like everything else – is up to us stupid ignorant frightened misled earthworms. That’s the central message of both the DP and FIGU.

You might be interested in my own military/UFO experiences. www.gaiaguys.net/radar.story.htm

Gotta run, Roy! Legal defenses to prepare!

Cheers!
Dyson
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Hi Dyson.

I send you my prayers for the highest good in the outcome of the legal defense. Also prayers of protection.

Yes, I have read Dr. Greer's ET contact book and it is great. However, I'm not convinced that his subjective experiences are what they appear to be.
Perhaps Billy could ask the Plejarens -- they seem to be good at separating the wheat from the chaff.

Reread FIGU bulletin #6. Semjase tells Billy that during WW2 a group who eventually wound up in South America had developed advanced flying disc technology. This group apparently stole the plans from the Nazis who never did get very far --reportedly. Do you know if Billy ever expands upon this? I'd be interested to know more.

In August 1957 my dad and I witnessed three UFOs overhead in broad daylight. They were triangles and were traveling END OVER END. They were silver with a dark spot in the middle and moving rather slow. Two first generation air force jets from Biggs Field (El Paso) were circling them. There was no mention of it in the paper. We assumed that it was probably secret U.S. technology -- which it may well have been.

Indeed, the secret group who reportedly stole the disc plans from the Germans (all males and rapidly dying out according to Semjase) were in South America -- but they may ALSO have established a secret base in Nushwabenland Antarctica.

Admiral Byrd led a top secret military operation to that area in 1947 called "Operation Highjump". No one really knows what happened in that covert operation but one thing is for certain, the U.S. taskforce was DEFEATED and sustained casualties. No more has ever been said about it.

Lots of mythology has developed around the Nushwabenland base -- few real facts are known.

Anyhow, the point is, terrestrial saucer technology exists -- either through ET contact, the channeling of the "Vril" society, back engineering of crashed ETs, earth human genius or a combination -- opening the possibility for lots of "psyops".

Billy says George Adamski was a charlatan and a fraud. Probably so. However, the CIA (full of ex(?)-Nazis brought over in operation paperclip) SPONSORED Adamski on a world-wide tour to show his photographs and movie film and lecture about his contacts with "Martians, Venusians and Saturnians". hmmm. Interesting eh? Have you seen Adamski's photos? THEY LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THE NAZI WW2 GERMAN FLYING DISKS. Similar photos were taken by others all around the world in the 1950s. They match the disks designed by Shrieber called the "Hannebu." Also, large cigar shaped "carriers" were found in Germany after the war (1993 FOIA info) but their power systems had been gutted. Of course, they've been seen quite often seen in the skys since then.

So, you see, someone has some very advanced (though not super advanced) technology -- and is flying around in a PSYOPS operation --making folks think they are seeing and experiencing something "extraterrestrial".

What would be the point of this? My opinion is: a possible world-wide UFO deception to advance the one world agenda of the NWO. Hope I'm wrong because many who think all UFOs and UFO experiences are extraterrestrial will fall for it hand over fist. I'm not talking about Dr. Greer. He is well aware of these facts.

The Nazis and the Russians also developed mind -control technology to a higher degree than is generally known.

Such a combination between terrestrial UFO technology and advanced mind-control opens the possibility for a huge PSYOPS operation upon the gullible who are already longing for ET contact.

I have discovered the work of Viktor Shaunberger. Look him up. He was a genius and they called him "the father of implosion technology." He reluctantly worked for the Nazis when they told him "you will work for us or we will shoot your family in front of you." He helped Shriever and his partner develop an advanced electromagnetic drive for the German saucers. More information about this was released through the FOIA in 1993.

But -- no one can fool all the people all the time.

Roy
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Memo00
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Hi Roy

yes, Adamski´s photos look like german discs,
but they are a FRAUD

according to Billy he knew how the UFO´s looked like based on descriptions that other person gave to him

here is another photo taken by a person in Spain (1990) that also looks like a german flying disc (it can be fake too, if Adamski could many decades before, then why another person don´t???)
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Dear Roy,

We two seem to be producing a very didactic dialog here (Danke schön, FIGU!), which is good, since I think fellow FIGU friends should know more about these important facts, just as I have not given up trying to wake up Steven Greer’s original project members of his Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, to all the ETI facts now available to us already, www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm .

And a very nice photo, Memo00! Looks a little like the CIA's Fluxliner, too. www.gaiaguys.net/fluxliner.jpg

Thank you very much for your prayers, Roy, which are very gratefully received. Most people are not aware how much scientific evidence has been accumulated that indicates how very genuinely effective prayer can be. Here’s an interesting link: http://www.noetic.org/Ions/publications/review_archives/frontiers_of_research/frontieirs_50_32.htm Given our website’s readership, now numbering many millions, and the number of people we know to be sending their prayers to us, it’s not surprising that we are thriving. This mighty sword of truth does all the work if you just trust it, and hang on tight.

The latest from the ruling Australian satanists (Giza puppets) here are three defamation actions against us for $30,000. Like the many previous embarrassing legal failures from the (formerly) omnipotent elite Freemasons, this will backfire too, and the Pandora’s Box they have opened now demands that these people declare their REAL allegiances in court! We envision LONG prison sentences for these vile criminals as the bizarre truth is gradually accepted as unavoidable by the incredulous electorates. All this is closely related to the ET theme, given that we are learning of the preferred method of discrediting irritating anti ritual-child-sex-abuse activists. Get some fake cloned aliens to abduct them. Sadly, such is the efficacy of this terror that the victims do not chose to go public very often, but here’s an exception. www.gaiaguys.net/Call.me.Laure.O.htm

As Steven Greer says, “ET is the easy bit.”

Like you, Roy, I’m similarly unconvinced that all Dr Greer has to write resulting from his own subjective experiences are what he suggests they may be, but this is the essential nature of subjectivity of course. I’m much more interested in seeing the Disclosure Project holistically and trying to engender sufficient public interest that open US Congressional hearings can be held in order to get more facts out onto the table, so the winnowing process can begin in earnest. Certainly, Steven Greer is only too aware of the psyops going on and has written many important articles, including about the planned hoaxed “ET” invasion, (www.gaiaguys.net/greer_warning_of_hoax.htm ) which, from all I can ascertain, may well have had a spanner (monkey wrench) thrown into it by our friends from the stars who seem to draw the line at these fake space monster shenanigans, as well as taking our guns off planet, or sending shrapnel whizzing through the cosmic neighborhood from our exploded planet. Much worse yet, from their point of view, is the nightmare that 7 or 8 billion barbaric Earth spirits start reincarnating on the next available intact planet. No wonder the Centaurians are so concerned! (pages 199-203 in And Still They Fly!)

But accepting Steven dogmatically is no better than doing that with Billy, and we know there are real doubts about some of the details of the Meier material too, which in this case are evidently quite deliberate to keep us from just believing everything unthinkingly. I’m reminded of the “crop circles” originally being identified as “a despicable hoax” until not long ago when they became so undeniably unearthly that the semi-plausible deniability no longer functioned credibly. www.gaiaguys.net/ptaacropsc.htm More recently we have, on one hand, explanations from our friends the Plejaren about the resultant earthquake/tsunami risks of oil and gas extraction, and the latest answers from Billy to Michael Horn’s question about the possibility of a bomb being used to trigger the xmas 2004 tsunami. www.gaiaguys.net/tsunami.04.htm Billy says that it was a natural, cause-and-effect catastrophe, but of course there are different ways of interpreting his ambiguous reply. www.gaiaguysnet/Answers.txt Anyway, in spite of my technical background, I’m far less interested in the areas not dealing more directly with spirituality and the Creational Laws and Directives.

But you mentioned the NWO. I tend to agree with Billy who contends there is no such creature. Think reverse psychology. I propose that any One World Government desires would be manifesting themselves in the UN, and clearly we don’t see that. And is it remotely likely that these loathsome high-society pedophile NAZIs are likely to want the exact same thing that the beloved Plejaren tell us is just what we need to do to survive? I very much doubt it.

Regarding the NAZIs, I seem to remember from my reading that there are some mixed messages in this area here, but in spite of suggestions to the contrary, it seems as if Hitler was far further ahead than most people could imagine, and these technologies were taken across to the USA after the war in Operation Paperclip, as you say. But the boys from Brazil who kept trying to kill Billy in the 70’s and 80’s apparently had just one saucer that was irreparably damaged to the point that it has confined to our atmosphere, and it was destroyed by the Plejaren shortly before the Giza mob were deported back in ’78. I probably know less than you about the base(s) on the South Pole, but I’m aware that Adamski’s UFO was the Vril. www.gaiaguys.net/nazi.disks.htm

But the war of the worlds still smolders. Have you seen this? www.gaiaguys.net/MtBlanca.htm

Your 1957 UFO experience must have been very “formative”, to say the least! It seems that most of us working in this lonely ET Enlightenment field have had something like this happen. Just today in the supermarket, a good friend of ours told us excitedly about her excited ufo witness friend, who saw something BIG near here last week. It’s not the first time, either. We get the black helicopters too. Heads turned in our direction after this uniquely public display: www.gaiaguys.net/Disclosure&cropcircles.htm

Never a dull moment.

I’d better try to do some work.

Cheers!
Dyson
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Hi Rubaiyat ;

You are now at the best website for learning about real ET's,humans from the Plejares(Pleiades).
But the other sites and books that you wrote about are complete nonsense .
Those writers took the early information that was made public of Billy Meier , and made their own cash cows from them , adding whatever sounded good to them .
My advice is just to be discriminating about anything you read , from any source at all .
Let your mind weed out what it can recognize as false, and teach yourself to do that better with time .

Mark
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Memo00
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hi

i hope you are doing fine

1- it is pure nonsense, the kind of garbage that some persons write to make money or with the specific purpose of causing confusion

2-that book is crap too, it is a much better idea to read the Talmud of Jmmanuel (get a copy of the printed book because in the internet there are many falsifications full of lies, soon there will be a new edition, visit www.steelmarkonline.com )

3-more crap, it is mix of distorted info of Billy´s contacts with imaginary garbage,
about the 2012, it is the year in which ends the mayan calendar, the end of a cycle and the beginning of a new one, many sectarians use this date for their own selfish purposes

4-i hope this helps,

take care
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Rubaiyat, I would recommend you go to these websites instead of reading any of that channeled fake Pleiadian info.

www.tjresearch.info
www.billymeier.com
http://www.theyfly.com
http://meiercase.0x2a.info/meiercase/index.php
http://www.avilabooks.com/writings.htm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plejarens_are_real_2005/
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Gaiaguysnet
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Dear friends,

"... 2012, it is the year in which ends the mayan calendar ... "

For what it's worth (?), many years ago I asked an archeologist I used to know, who was a specialist in pre-Columbian, Central American digs, about this, and she said, "That's news to me!"

I've never been able to pin it down and we've lost touch since then. Food for thought?

Peace in wisdom,
Dyson
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Memo00
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hi Dyson

i hope you are doing fine

the mayas had many calendars, one of them "ends" in DEC 22 of 2012 (they could continue until the infinite with it, but for many reasons they didn´t, they made the calculations fot the coming years (including eclipses etc) until 2012 and then stopped)

(grab any decent book about the mayas and you will find about this fact, if your friend was really an archeologist then she was not very well informed)

their calendar began in 3113 b."J". (before Jmmanuel) (archeologists believe that the mayas are younger than that and that they "magically and misteriously" (and from "nowhere") took that date as the beginning of their civilization)

(but well, many archeologists also believe that the mayas didn´t knew that the earth was round,
so. . .)

as you may know there exist a cycle of aprox 26000 years called the precession of the equinoxes, the mayas divided this in 5 cycles of aprox 5200 (5125) years

each one is called a sun

according to the mayas, before them there were other civilizations that were destroyed by terrible catastrophes, since this is the 5th sun in their counting of time, that means their calendar really started more than 25 thousand years ago (something that actual archeologists are not going to accept)

.............................................

2012 does not only represents the end of the 5th sun and the beginning of the 6th, but it is also a very interesting date that coincides with the 26,000 anniversary of the arrival of the yellow races to our planet, cycles of earth and the sun and many other interesting stuff

for example:

as you may know in this universe there exist a "symetry" between the big and the small, or as the aphorism says: "As above, so below; as below, so above."

and obviously this applies also to time,
the big cycles are made of smaller cycles that keep a symetry with the big ones,
so there are many numbers that repeat in the mayan calendars, for example 52 (520, 5200, 52000 etc)

if you take the year 2012 and do a little substraction of 520 years then you have the year:

tatararararan!!!!

1492

the year in which C.C. arrived to America

and there are many other things like that (according to the legend the mayas knew many other stuff, if you are interested then search for a while and you will find, obviously take in count that there are a lot of charlatans that try to obtain profit from this and distort the facts)

but if you prefer to believe in what scientists say, well its your decision

after all, the Giza piramids are only 5 thousand years old and we all descend from the australopithecus and magically changed our color of skin from black to white. . . .
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Gaiaguysnet
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Thanks Memo00!

(We're fine thanks. Now also being taken to court by satanists for religious villification!)

You're always informative! Like most scientists, I think my archeologist friend would sometimes pretend to know more than she really did! ;-)

Cheers!
Dyson
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Rubaiyat
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Dear all,
Thanks to those who replied to my message and answered my questions. I am new here and appreciate being pointed in the right direction. Thank you!! Special thanks to Norm for all the links. The presentation I read by Dr. Rothe on "Talmud of Jmmanuel's Key Spiritual Teachings" provided some good fundemental info on the Laws and Directives of Creation. All this terminology makes sense now ("Laws"; "Directives"). I'm trying to find Talmud Jmmanuel on Ebay, but no luck as of yet. Does anyone live in Sydney, Australia? It would be good to hang out with someone else interested in learning the Spiritual Teachings.

Thanks again,
Rubaiyat :-)
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hi i was wondering if anybody knows the meaning to these three words...
"fenn"
"rell"
"wett"

in no perticular language, but if somebody has heard these words before and know their defintions, then your wisdom is much welcome
thanks in advance
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Gaiaguysnet
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Hi Rubaiyat!

Drop me an email - gaiaguys@nor.com.au

Cheers!
Dyson
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Norm
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Rubaiyat, The new corrected version of the TJ is under going final proof readings. There is no set date at this time. I would wait for this version.
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Rubaiyat
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Sweeet. thankyou Norm. I'll wait. And Dyson... woohoo... yeah i'll email u soon. this is exciting: to have other people, interested in the same things as you, living in close proximity. *YAY* (Forgive my superfluous display of enthusiastic fervour .... i am still a 17 year old trapped in a 21 year old's body)

Fond regard,
Rubaiyat :-)
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Hello Ruaiyat

I too am trapped in a 21 year old body. Ha Ha. You wouldn't happen to be Eric would you? Disregard that last comment if not... But, It feels great knowing concious people exist doesn't it!! Anyway I purchased the Talmud of Jmmanuel about 3 years ago so I should probably start thinking about getting the corrected version when it comes out. But, hopefully soon i will read my new book Through Space and Time... I haven't got it yet but it is a hard back photo-album of craft i've never seen B4. I try not to get too interested in the physical side of the case like the pictures mainly because i have found that the spiritual material has shown to be much more rewarding although I enjoy looking for new information and especially Meier material.
The excitement is real!!! Let's keep that way.
By the way nice to meet you.
Salome,
Tim
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Hello all

I have wanted to ask about the "so called" PEACE group of the American Maharishi. Some fellow from India started a a University of Peace that made a sort of living/learning center in California for peace.

I was wondering if anyone knows the developments of this group. The only reason i've ever heard of them is because i recieve Multi-language sattelite TV that picks up out of state transmissions (obviously) but I was wondering if anyone thinks that thier tactics of Yogi flying are anything worth looking into as far as a developing a peacful society.

I know that the peace meditation is the only true and continuously lasting mode for peace that us Earth people have to combat negative energy on this planet but this group looks kind of hoaky so
just wanted to see if anyone knows about the Maharishi efforts.

Thanks
Salome, Tim James
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Dear Rubaiyat & Tim (et al)

You think YOU've got problems! Imagine what it's like being a billion years old trapped in a 55 year old body! (Joke)

I look forward to hearing from you, Rubaiyat. I know I can help you with what you want.

Vivienne & I just received TS&T yesterday from Michael Horn along with his music CD. Both are great, and the book goes into great technical detail regarding the audio and metal, etc.

The beamship pix are far better than anything seen before, and leave nothing (except the interiors) to the imagination. This is the book to buy for sceptical loved-ones who think we've all gone mad and joined a UFO cult.

And if you don't already own a copy of And Still They Fly, go to www.theyfly.com and buy several.

And START LEARNING GERMAN!! :-)

Cheers!
Dyson
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Hi again, Tim.

Have a look at this and make up your own mind. www.permanentpeace.org The science is - as far as I can tell - quite sound.

Of course the Plejaren & Co. say it's all bunk, BUT we DO have to learn to think logically and not just BELIEVE everything we're told dogmatically and unthinkingly. Certainly the Maharishi seems a bit suss himslef, but the Quantum Unified Field doesn't.

A few of the most recent "UFO" photos in Through Space and Time seem to be providing semi-plausible deniability. You'll see which ones I mean.(www.tjresearch.info/denial.htm)

Peace in wisdom,
Dyson
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Cheers Dyson!

I share your opinion about our role in evolvment speaking from the standpoint that we should not "believe" everything even if it is a very credible source but that we should always be concious and 100% thinking for ourselves... obviously this must be a prerequisite for a peaceful global community.

I think the Unified theory is just a different way to describe what spiritual people of the past have thought mixed with what science currently thinks. This being said because I sense that it represents a healthy balance of the new and the old, both of which are very important and essentially the same thing.
I simply agree with thier scientific information and the evidence behind a "unified theory". Which states that everything is essentially connected even beyond the subatomic particles. This begins to scratch the surface of why taping into what i would call "creations energy" calms you down, helps you think balanced, clear, in unison and is healthy ect. This scientific blending with spiritual studies is in my opinion essential for our development AS SPIRITUAL BEINGS, and I also feel that this praiseworthy task being nearly the first of its kind is excellent. However, like you stated about the Plejaren "saying it's bunk", this material in the light of absolute truth, the kind of truth that lasts through the centuries and instils itself in the sprirts of men/women may not exist with the Maharishi as the TRUE PROPHETS see it, but as you already stated it, we must learn to think for ourselves and decifer what is true.

As far as the last link you gave my about UFO and the Government covering up entire cases and segments of data... I'm not sure how that pertains to Maharishi but it needs adressed just as well. Maybe the link was wrong because there weren't any pics.? http://tjresearch.info/denial.htm No Matter! I'll be getting Through Space and Time in about 2 days so i can share with you here in a bit!

Peace in Wisdom,
Tim
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Hello All,

The strangest thing happened last night! I replaced my old cell phone a little over a month ago so I have two cell phones; one that works and one that doesn't...or at least I thought. I came home last night from work went on the forum for a response and then went back into my room, when i saw my old phone flashing a missed call. I opened up the phone and it said missed call @11:11 with no number, kinda weird huh. Well not so much the 11 thing but the fact that this phone is SUPPOSED to be and is off. I tried to call out and receive calls on numerous occasions and got no luck.
Either the company called me, or there is some other unknown phenomenon or factor at play here!?!
My carrier is Sprint, if anyone knows how this may be possible....
send me an e-mail @ tjames11@columbus.rr.com
Salome,
Tim
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Hi Tim,

The Disclosure Project calls this "high strangeness" and it seems to be associated with some ET influence. (The Plejaren have told us that there are non-Federation ETs at work now too. Like crop circles.) This sort of thing started happening to us so MUCH right after we signed on with the DP that we hardly even remark on it any more. But modern electronics is subtle, and the microscopic "pn" junctions in integrated circuits are subject to all kinds of things, even a single cosmic ray. Last week I used our little laptop on its internal battery for a very long time, and - uncharacteristically - it seemed to consume no electricity. Stranger yet was when I used the lawn mower a couple weeks ago and it seemed to use no fuel. No wonder it's called high strangeness!

Cheers!
Dyson
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Hello Everyone,

THROUGH SPACE AND TIME is a must get!! The pictures are so clear and convincing! I tried to put myself in the shoes of someone picking the book up for the first time and after I went through the whole book... I was pretty impressed. It's 59$ but definitly worth the cost in the long run because it's one of those books you can show your family and friends. Finally! @ theyfly.com
steelmarkonline.com

Salome,
Tim
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Hello German Buffs,

I am looking to learn German. Does anyone know the best program to buy or the correct dialect of German. I heard that high German is the written language... and Billy speaks swiss german right? But it would be smart for me to learn high german since that would be what most of the spiritual teachings are written in... If anyone knows the specs on German I would appreciate the advice!

Salome,
Tim
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Aloha Tim,
You might want to check out the Rosetta Stone language programs. Their info can be found on line. I haven't tried it yet myself, only heard good things word of mouth. Can seem kind of pricey at first, but it is guaranteed or you can return it for a refund up to 6 months...So, you've really nothing to lose. They have a 10 minute sample lesson online to see if it's right for you. Also, I think you can do the program entirely on line by paying monthly. I've been looking for a decent language program for awhile and this is one I'm planning to get myself. Sorry I couldn't give you anything better, but at least you can check it out and decide from there. It really is frustrating to know that there is so much more valuable info to learn if only we knew German! But I guess that is the incentive to learn, isn't it? If you happen to find any other program that looks promising please let me know!
Warm Regards,
Adonna
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Dear Tim,

Brilliant! Congratulations!

Deutsche Welle (German radio/TV) has free courses apparently, but Vivienne and I taught ourselves using a big dictionary, and that's the fastest way I think for the somewhat non-conversational Meier material. Only a very few little poems are in Swiss-dialect, so just do standard German and you'll be fine. We just yesterday got another big box of books from FIGU which includes Contact volume #6. WOW! What a goldmine of info in all kinds of areas from health/nutrition to UFO drive mechanisms! If only we could find someone in the English speaking world who wants to KNOW!

And the Symbols book is astonishing!

Cheers!
Dyson
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Aloha Dyson,
Just read your note to Tim about the dictionary....and glad I did before investing in a language program.....obviously the system you speak of works, as you and Vivienne's works are proof of that. (And, for which I am very grateful to you both for your translations). Thank you so much for your efforts.
Warm Regards,
Adonna
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Dear Adonna,

Vivienne and I thank you warmly for your kind and encouraging words! We give a lot of credit to the Kodex. (See www.gaiaguys.net/fermi.htm) And I spent some time in Germany when I was in the service too, so that was obviously a helpful start for me in dealing with the idioms.

OM (a must read) is partly in Old German, but it's not difficult once you get the hang of it.

We're so glad some other English-speaking people are coming to the party. I'm sure you won't be dissapointed with what awaits you!

(Vivienne would just like to say that her first lesson was learning the main nouns in Semjase's Introduction to the Spiritual Teachings, since there is a translation into English and the important words, (peace, love, knowledge, wisdom, freedom, etc.) are constantly repeated.)

Cheers!
Dyson
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Hi everyone:

Changing the topic here :-) Some thought i we want to share:

I am pondering about the fact as long as someone are wondering whether there are extra-terrestrials or not, and spending all their time and effort into trying to prove or convince themself that it is the case, then their spiritual development is stalled? (e.g. Disclosure Project, MUFON, etc...)
In my case, the day i became convinced of it was just the beginning, it opened my eyes through a new immense universe.
I am sometimes asked if i BELIEVE in extra-terrestrials (what a flawed question!!!)
I now answer NO to this question, and then demonstrating by logic that it is IMPOSSIBLE to be alone in the universe, by using the DRAKE (or SAGAN) equation. I answer no because a BELIEF is someting that can`t be proven, it is something that is accepted without question, if it could be proven, it would become knowledge.
(Cororally, if a belief has not been proven in 2000 years, then it can`t be true??? Therefore why "believe" in a religion???)

Another very stupid question: Does God exist or not?
Society divides people into those that are religious and those that are atheist. Where do i fit? (and most of you of this board). God existed and died long time ago, we can't prove it but it was not a creator . This fact can be proven, but just oberve around you: people believing in god generate death, war, violence, retaliation, overpopulation, pedophily, ... in his name ... GOD is not a creator, but a DESTRUCTOR.

We are not atheist, nor we are religious, but perhaps ... truly spiritual?
Real spirituality first start with realization the spirit is not outside of us, in the heavens ; but within us and each human of this earth, and each life form. Second realization is that each human is master of his destiny and fully responsible for all his actions.


Salome
Eric
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Norm
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"the Symbols book is astonishing!" I just ordered a copy as well. I'm sure the symbols have some coding in them as well just by viewing them.
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Thanks Gaiaguys and Adonna,

Aloha!!
I will buy a Big dictionary then... and if it's not progressing steadily than I will have to try a similar course that Adonna speaks of. Oh man you got me soo excited Dyson when you were talking about all the inforomation in the books that you just got. I remember when i read my first book on Billy (it was the best book and the only book as far as i was concerned :-) I'm about to do some purchasing myself but I have to wait until it is confirmed that my second job is in place.

"A life rich in truth, wisdom and information is one worth living"...Tim

Thanks guys,
Salome
Tim
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Dear Eric,

I can't fault your logic, but I did want to try to straighten you out about the Disclosure Project, if I may.

(First, I think that if someone is logically trying to overcome denial, ignorance, etc. about ETs, then that would be a form of spiritual advancement. Many people are very badly poisoned by false religious teachings and have stunted abilities in this respect.)

The Disclosure Project (www.disclosureproject.org) is primarily attempting to inform people about the illegal shadow supranational government that is criminally suppressing the advanced energy, propulsion and medical devices that can save the planet if we let it.

It is such an important initiative that we are not surprised that evidence has recently come to light that it has been deeply corrupted by those whose historical objective has been to "keep the secret" about these technologies, which are now being secretly employed against us while still being denied peaceful uses.

Already there's something about this on our front page (www.gaiaguys.net) and in the next few weeks there will be a lot more forthcoming from us and Michael Horn about this sad state of affairs with the Disclosure Project and its parent organisation the so-called Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, which could be more aptly called the Center for the SUPPRESSION of Extraterrestrial Intelligence.

Peace in wisdom,
Dyson
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Hi Norm,

That's interesting, because I was looking at a Native American Book on Symbols today. I should get the Symbol book and see if there is any comparison.
Thanks
Scott
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Dyson, I knew that was coming, your problem with DP. I was surprised it took so long. The Meier material is to hot to handle. Meier as far as mainstream Ufology is concerned is tainted, even if they know its real. It wouldn't be in their best interests to be involved with it. Even big time Ufologlists like Stanton Friedman won't even look at the Meier case because they feel its been Thoroughly debunked. I would rather the DP continue on their current course & ignore the Meier case, that way the whole UFO cover-up will be get hit from different angles. Even Greer's involvement with trying to making contact on his own could come back to haunt him. The Media can use that as part of their chuckle campaign on Greer.
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Hello Norm, You write in your post :

"Even big time Ufologlists like Stanton Friedman won't even look at the Meier case because they feel its been Thoroughly debunked"

I'd like to ask for any references and accounts you'd care to share, off the arguments against the Meier case, and events that led to such convictions, as they partain to the above stated example?


Cyril
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Cyril, it was a radio interview with Friedman on Jeff Rense or Art Bell. He pretty much agreed with Kal Korff & some of early UFO researchers back in the 70s & 80s that thought it was to good to be true. They were bias right from the go. The odd thing is the fact that now Korff says Roswell is a hoax also & thats Friedmans bread & butter.
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Mr. Korff also makes claims regarding his own sightings........perhaps he is the real hoax
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Thanks very much Norm, the mere mention of Kal Korff's name was an automatic disqualifier for any credability I might have attributed to Stanton Friedman's claims against the case.

I've come across these same type of people, but in the science arena. The archetype in this case is the image of an overgorwn bore: wollowing in a putrid pool of his own ignorance and evasion [sh*t], wholly content and willing to cotinue for as long as he wishes.

I agree entirely with your conclusions, good ridence.

Cyril
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Hello Dyson:

This is unfortunately what i had in mind (the fact you have been asked by CSETI to dissociate from DP because of your interest in this site) when i wrote my post. People in power on this earth are doing everything to prevent knowledge of extraterrestrial life to spread out, they know too well that as long as people are wondering whether ET exist or not, they do not address the REAL questions. Even the DP initiative doesn`t go really anywhere (are they being hijacked by some gov. services?...)
Keep on the good work on your site b.t.w, you are very courageous.

Salome
Eric
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Dear Eric, Norm, et al,

Thanks for the flowers! :-)

The problem is that the truth will remain a hot potato as long as it is avoided for being hot. Someone has to break ranks and tell it like it is. You might know the expression, “Stand up for what’s right even if you are standing alone.” I can add to that: “ESPECIALLY if you are standing alone.”

We appreciate you telling us, Eric, that we are “very courageous”, but are now merely trying to defend ourselves in the only way we know, by going on the offensive. If you look at our site, it’s not too hard to recognize the organization(s) behind the scenes who are our (and Billy’s, etc.) ancient sworn adversaries. I might add that word reached us on Saturday that we are to be assassinated (!) so if we disappear any time soon, I wanted to make a public note of it. Of course they know, with the public exposure we have with our popular website, we would be bigger adversaries in death, and this is not the first time we’ve heard these death threats, fear (along with ridicule) being the cowardly weapons of choice of the supranational pedophile elite. It is all unimaginably serious. These are (some of) the folks who call themselves The Illuminati.

The problem with CSETI is that they advertise themselves as the cutting-edge center for the “in depth (scientific) analysis of ALL ASPECTS of extraterrestrial intelligence”, but they seem superficially to be unable to make the simple distinction between belief, which requires an absence of evidence, and knowledge, which is amenable to scientific scrutiny.

As well, Dr. Greer advises world leaders about ETs, religion etc.!

Here’s (below) what we just got from them a couple weeks after they sacked us as “the best” (according to them in 2002) Official Disclosure Project Representatives they had, when it became apparent that we were not going quietly.

I do not think that the date (11th) is a coincidence.

Peace in wisdom,
Dyson

From: "Charlie Balogh" <c.balogh@mchsi.com>
To: <gaiaguys@nor.com.au>
Cc: "Debbie Foch" <coordinator@cseti.org>; <zoner711@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Dyson
Date: Saturday, 11 June 2005 4:33 PM

Dear Dyson and Vivienne,

It is obvious that your beliefs and intentions are not compatible with those of CSETI. It is also apparent that we will not be able to resolve the issues to the satisfaction of either side, and it is not beneficial for either side to prolong this situation any longer than necessary. We are therefore refunding part of your membership fees. The remaining part we retain for the cost of materials delivered. You will be removed from the email discussion list and the members section of the CSETI web site

We wish you the best in your endeavors, wherever they may lead.

Charlie Balogh
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Cpl
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Hi Eric and Dyson,&#10;&#10;Here IMO is the real reason why the Brookings Institute and other Think Tanks from the bottom line direct everyone against and/or away from the ET and UFO reality. This is what I wrote to a friend who was on national Japanese TV last weekend and got his own mention in about why the Brookings Institute doesn't want NASA and others confirming the existence of anything of an ET nature.&#10;&#10; NASA & The Brookings Institute&#10;&#10;I saw the show, and actually enjoyed it very much. The scientific look at the 7cm and 10cm mummies was fascinating.&#10;&#10;Regarding Brookings Inst. and NASA:&#10;&#10;Great to get that detail over on air. Well done. I've been saying this for years -- with one difference. Brookings Inst. says they made the recommendation for the reasons you cited (danger of destabilisation to social and religious structures etc.) but mostly because according to them our past experiences with colonization showed that when a strong culture meets and interacts with a weaker culture, the weaker is always absorbed into the stronger and is taken over and eventually disappears. Hence their espoused view of protecting the earth's culture from being swallowed up by a larger one. However, I have always felt and thought that this is what they say, but what they really think and fear is something else. &#10;&#10;Consider: Who loses out most of all? The culture and its individuals only change as much as they wish to, what's the harm there? Must we prevent them from modernizing? We know the ETs are not intent on invasion and active takeover which otherwise would make BI's assessment correct. &#10;&#10;So who in the tribes and indigenous cultures losses out most of all in these intercultural assimilations or contacts? I put it to you that it is the tribal leader who loses most (not from their actual point of view but from Brooking's point of view). Why? Because, now there are new leaders, new men of greater knowledge and the tribal leader must now acquiesce to them in large part because his knowledge cannot compete. He may still lead in certain local affairs, but he is no longer the almighty top dog; and IMO this is precisely what Brookings and all the other top dog Think Tanks are really worried about: Losing their position as the #1 authority as public opinion influencers in society, as the govts' #1 advisors, as de facto leaders. That power game would be up and over. The ETs would know more and provide better solutions, so it's safer for Brookings and the others to pretend and convince the public that ETs don't exist and when anything suggestive of them comes up; bury it. IMO this is their game: self-preservation as Top Dog, and nothing else.&#10;&#10;I first put this to print a number of years ago in "The Star Beacon" magazine/newsletter.&#10; &#10;&#10;Something to consider next time the issue comes up?&#10;&#10;Thanks for the show, anyway. It was a good one IMO.&#10;&#10;Best,&#10;&#10;Chris
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Thanks Chris,

I agree. But it's like telling the Native Americans "Don't look!" at the Pinta, Ninã & Santa Maria, when they're off shore!

I've got that Brookings report @ www.gaiaguys.net/ufology.htm , by the way.

Cheers!
Dyson
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Melli
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I am eager to find like minded people in australia.
Can anybody help? Here things like these issues are kept out, so I am starved of true information. Thank you.
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Cpl
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Where are you in Oz Melli? My family's in WA, which is where I'm planning on moving in the future.
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Gaiaguysnet
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Hi Melli!

Welcome! We're Dyson (and Vivienne) and we live in NE NSW, here - www.gaiaguys.net/location.htm
on a 100 acre bush block about 10 miles from the coast.

We've got lots on Billy on our huge website. Check out www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm We seem to be the only native English-language speakers on this list (etc.) who have read (almost) all of the German language FIGU material and are prepared to share what we've learned with the English speaking world. Dunno why. We wish it were not the case.

At the monent the other misc. section of this FIGU discussion board is very active. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/1323.html

Peace in wisdom,
Dyson
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Hey Melli,
I'm Rubaiyat. I live in Sydney. wow this is cool... more ppl in Australia!!! *YAY*
check out these links...
www.tjresearch.info
www.billymeier.com
http://www.theyfly.com
http://meiercase.0x2a.info/meiercase/index.php
http://www.avilabooks.com/writings.htm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plejarens_are_real_2005/

in "http://www.avilabooks.com/writings.htm" there is a good link:"Talmud of Jmmanuel's Key Spiritual Teachings" . click it :-)

oh yea and www.gaiaguys.net is a great website with a lot of info.

if you want to check out contact notes (alas only a few available for free) like i did when i first came here...

THe HENOCH PROPHECIES
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Henoch%20Prophecies.html


Contact 1
[Tuesday, January 28, 1975, 2:12 p.m.]
http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/contact_notes/1.htm

Contact 2
[Monday, February 3, 1975, 10:10 p.m.]
http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/contact_notes/2.htm

Contact 10
[Wednesday, March 26, 1975, 3:20 p.m.]
http://www.steelmarkonline.com/download_files/Billy_Contact_010.pdf

The Origins of the Aryans [Contact 70]
http://www.gaiaguys.net/Aryans.htm

Contact 249
[Monday, June 13th, 1994, 11:36 p.m.]
http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/contact_notes/249.htm

Contact 251
[Friday, February 3, 1995, 12:01 a.m.]
http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/contact_notes/251st/1.htm
http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/contact_notes/251st/2.htm
http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/contact_notes/251st/3.htm
http://home.comcast.net/~areagex23/Time_line_and_predictions.htm

Here is a page with a list of all Pro and Con sites/publications/audio/video relating to Meier's case and spiritual message ...

http://www25.brinkster.com/chancede/Meier.html

errr happy reading,
Rubaiyat :-)
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Rei
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Hi All,

anybody know were I can buy the VHS “THE REOPENING OF THE MEIER CASE”?
I’ve tried to send e-mails at the “International UFO Congress”, but seems that this organization doesn’t exist anymore.

Salome,
Enrico
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David_chance
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Hi Enrico,
The International UFO Congress website is at: http://www.ufocongress.com
Their email is: ufocongress@msn.com
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Rei
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Hi David,
thank you for the information!

Salome,
Enrico
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Jay_q
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Mod: How do u put a full page pic? im having trouble. i.e. User: Memo00, Posted on Monday, January 31, 2005 - 05:56 am in the Poetry and Art section.

Hi Jay,

It should be in JPEG format. There used to be a 30 kb limit on the size, but now I notice larger sizes are accepted. The image you were referring to is about 83 kb's. Hope this helps. I don't know what type of problem you are experiencing, but the basic formatting tools still work.

Regards
Scott
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Lonnie
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Dear Scott or Michael,

Would you clarify something for me please. Did Billy say somewhere that about 80% of the people in the United States are decent, responsible, thinking individuals? Is this correct? Or is the number the other way around? If I am not mistaken, I think Billy said that only 20% are decent, responsible, thinking people? And where exactly did Billy say this?

Salome,
Lonnie
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Memo00
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hi jay q

to post a big pic, your image should be BIG (in cm (width/height) etc not in kb)

you can change the size of an image in photoshop, etc or when you scan it usually you can choose the proportion (100% 50% etc), (try many diferent combinations until you find a good size with decent quality)

i think that the limit for a file in this forum is 100 kb,

to upload an attachment you should first do a click in preview/post message (after writing something, if not it doesn´t work), and once you are there do a click in upload attachment (for some reason before you are in the preview you cannot upload files)

take care
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Scott
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Hi Lonnie,

The only numbers I recall (at least recently) is that the US consists of about 50% of the people who are against the "War" in Iraq and 50% in favor. I think this was mentioned in one of the bulletins which came out earlier in the year. Maybe Michael can recall what you may have heard or read.

Regards
Scott
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Michael
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Lonnie,

Final percentages are not in because of the rather troublesome Calhoun family from Mobile, Alabama. Numbering well over 23,100 people (because of their obvious disregard for population control), their individual and collective indecisiveness on matters that would affect the final percentage tally has all of us waiting with baited breath.

Now we can't assume that they'll all come down in the positive or negative column when the dust finally settles but we will do our best to report any definitive figures regarding this most important concern as soon as they are available.

Thank you on behalf of Horn Polling Industries, an Equal Opportunity Offender.
Michael Horn
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Whappybugger
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Hi everyone, I have noticed that over time for those who havent learnt german yet and are looking for sources, http://www.deutsch-lernen.com/learn-german-online/beginners/summary.php i found this was a good start.

Peace out

Moderator if this is not the right place for this post could u help direct it to same place cheer
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Markc
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Michael ;

Man , that is some funny stuff there ! No actual Calhouns were mentioned in your previous post , but remember to ask me about the marriage laws of a certain nearby state sometime ...

Mark
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Dear Lonnie, Scott, Michael and other fellow FIGU friends,

As our lives here continue to get more and more inconceivably weird, it becomes almost routine that about the time someone asks something on this list, on the other side of the Earth, we are reading the answer to that specific question in the Meier material.

Such was the case with Lonnie’s question regarding USAmericans, and I promise I’ll get to that.

THE mission has been summed up in three words: “Protect the truth”.

And it seems logical to me that there are two major ways of doing that. One of course is to shout it from the rooftops and not hide our lights under a bushel. The other is be wise and tactical with it and try really hard not to “burn” (Billy’s expression) people with it who are not ready to deal with it. I’m sure all of us who understand the Plejaren methodology understand what I mean. I just wanted to say that we have learned that the hard truth is not best just dumped in people’s laps, and should be protected from overexposure in the wrong places and at the wrong times.

But I’m an Earth barbarian, and this permits me a certain Natural Barbarism that our more highly advanced friends from the stars are denied. So here goes.

The hard truth must be delivered harshly in order for it to work, and knowledge cannot be scattered like chickenfeed before us only to be expelled undigested out our fat backsides. (Billy’s metaphor.)

The FIGU material available to the non-German language speakers seems to give a profoundly distorted view of the matchless role USAmerica plays in This Entire Mess, as evinced by the German language material. This seems to apply in particular to the contact notes just published in book 6 which cover October 1989 to December 1991. I’m a little more than half way through and I am literally REELING from what I’m learning now.

To say it is profoundly confronting is a grotesque understatement. (But it IS VERY good news.) I’ll say more as soon as I get a better grip on it. Suffice it to say that Billy has been underestimated again. BIG time.

Anyway, to your question, Lonnie: if the Plejaren demographers were to release a statistical ratio of people in the USA who were righteous, reasonable and upright honest truthseekers who understood and followed the Creational Laws and Directives – as opposed to the other kind - I’m very sorry to say that I think it would probably be something like 1:1,000,000.

This tragic state of affairs, we are told, stems in part from the fact that – unlike most other major cultures, the USA has been unusually religiously homogeneous, and the Judeo/Christianity that fuels the bloodlust has been able to grow unchecked by seriously competing dogmas.

My own humble opinion suggests that the Giza Intelligences have had a lot to do with this, and somewhere in this long and consummately evil plan from world domination Australia (of all places!) and Freemasonry seems to have special roles, perhaps now, 23 years after these villains’ deportation, as merely the soft underbelly of The Beast. (The US was the second-to-last “new world” continent for the white invaders.) This is currently where what we’ve got on our website seems to be leading us.

More material from these contact conversations can now be found here: www.gaiaguys.net/meier.bush11.10.89.htm .

Peace in wisdom, people.

Dyson

from Plejadisch-plejarishe Kontactberichte Block 6 p.160, 17th November 1989
232nd contact.
[Ptaah and Billy are discussing the various Terrestrial circumstances and powers that thwart the truth in general and world peace in particular.]
26. So wird sich alles leider wieder wandeln, und eines Tages werden wieder böse und blutvergiessende Kriege daraus entstehen.
26. So everything would unfortunately change again, and one day again evil and bloody wars will thereby come about.
27. Insbesondere Amerika ist in dieser Hinsicht in sehr vielen übler Formen tätig, wie dies schon seit alters her der Fall ist.
27. Especially America is in this regard active in very many evil forms, as this already has been since old times.
28. Dieses Volk, mit wenigen Ausnahmen von vernünftigen und tatsächlich wahrheitssuchenden Menschen, hat es bis heute noch immer nicht gelernt, wahrliches Wissen und wahrliche Wahrheit, wahrliche Liebe und wahrlichen, ehrlichen Frieden zu suchen und zu finden.
28. These people, with few exceptions of reasonable and actually truth seeking people, have, to this day, never learned to seek and to find truthful knowledge and true truth and true love and true honest peace.
29. Sehr viele Menschen in Amerika sind nur ausgerichtet in ihrem Innersten auf Profit und Macht, und zwar um jeden Preis, egal ob dabei Menschenleben, Freundschaften oder Tiere und die Natur vernichtet werden.
29. Very many people in America are only directed in their inner place towards profit and power, and indeed at any price. It's all the same if human life, friendships or animals and nature would be destroyed.
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Scott
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Hi Dyson,

Thanks very much, your contributions are always valued as with everyone else.

Maybe you could re-check the link, I couldn't get it to connect for some reason...

Salome
Scott
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Norm
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Dyson, That link doesn't work. Your site is very hard to navigate, maybe you should create topical sections.
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Lonnie
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Hi Dyson,

Your calculations are probably correct. This would almost certainly narrow it down to existing FIGU members and other interested persons. But there are also many others who are living by the Natural and Creational Laws and don't realize it.

I could not find a statement from Billy, but I did find this comment on the main website from FIGU Special Bulletin #2, from the article: "The US Has Gone Mad"

"The Bushies are riding high. Now 88 per cent of Americans want the war, we are told. The US defence budget has been raised by another $ 60 billion to around $ 360 billion. A splendid new generation of nuclear weapons is in the pipeline, so we can all breathe easy. Quite what war 88 per cent of Americans think they are supporting is a lot less clear. A war for how long, please? At what cost in American lives? At what cost to the American taxpayer's pocket? At what cost - because most of those 88 per cent are thoroughly decent and humane people - in Iraqi lives?"
By John le Carré
Source: The Times (UK), January 15, 2003. The author has also contributed to an open Democracy debate on Iraq.

I think this is where I got the "80% are decent responsible people."

I wanted to clarify this because this is what I told my older brother recently (who has been living in South Africa for the past 30 years) after I asked him what people in that part of the world think about the US. This is what he said:

Hi Lonnie,
Most of the international community is negative towards the US, including SA. I think the typical American has too much trust in their government and assumes the leadership has complete integrity. Even the oppositon (Democrats) are affraid of taking positions that may be unpopular with uniformed, patriotic voters. Anyway, with it's faults it is still the best government and country on the planet.
Gene

Perhaps there is some hope for our country after all. But it may very well depend on us.

Regards,
Lonnie
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Gaiaguysnet
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Sorry!

My fault! Try http://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.bush.11.10.89.htm

We are working on making things a little less user-unfriendly. I empathise with your problem finding things on our horribly disorganised and mixed up website, which just grew like a tangled jungle and now is way out of hand, given that we are too busy to try to index everything into categories and can hardly keep up - cannot keep up actually - with our daily duties to the protection of the truth.

To a certain extent this situation is actually deliberate, because we have learned that STRIVING for information is an absolutely inseparable and vital component of LEARNING that information, so I quite consciously require people to work for it a little. I know it's initially counterintuitive. Similarly, we cover so many seemingly separate topics, which are not really separate at all, that we would like people who are - for instance - only interested in UFOs to also know about the satanic ritual child abuse scandal, and this way they might stumble across these different fields.

We literally have scores of thousands of links, so it would take so long to collect and compile them that all other work would grind to a halt.

Of course if some kind person were to make and continually update an index of URLs of main categories and send it to us, we would certainly consider sticking it someplace relatively easy to find. ;-)

Dyson
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Markc
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Salome Djson ;

I had a conversation with a musician who I am working with now about Billy ,Plejarens and the Truth , and I was more able to think of the high points of the matter , and focus more effectively than I have been before . It just takes some approximation on the part of the conversationalist , which can be reached by estimating some predictable reactions to the things you say .
I find that I can get my point across if I just come out and say it , as the shock value gets some animal respect , because it's not expected that someone would risk the 'godly' lightning bolts that so many are afraid of .

What you say is true , that you have to be bold enough to make changes in the world , starting in people's mind's ; without calling their beliefs "B.S." or resorting to banal tactics , but taking the listener into careful consideration as to their point of view , and how everything is perceived from a less informed/ overly misinformed mindset .

It takes a little cleverness , but if you think about these conversations when you're alone ,it prepares you a bit , Just don't start taking to yourself in public , and everything will be fine ! LOL!

Of course I know that you are way ahead of the curve in this respect , but I wanted to detail a little for the benefit of those who have felt some frustration about these type of conversations . I know I have . Sheesh !

Mark
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Scott
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Hi Dyson,

As you know there are many aspects to the teachings being offered by Billy and the FIGU, and our ET friends.

As a result of this there is an ever-growing body of information/knowledge that is being made available to the world as time progresses. While much of this knowledge is spiritual in nature and cannot be readily grasped by the majority of people, there is also knowledge that relates to our past, the physical universe, planets etc.

When I have attempted to relate bits and pieces of information such as the age of the universe, history of this solar system etc, I have to ask myself do I know this to be true because I have read it or heard it, or do I have my own direct experience regarding the validity of something. Numerous times when I have attempted to communicate various pieces of information, I have been asked how do I know? I can say this is something that I have learnt through my own reading etc, but does that necessarily make it true. As time has gone on, I find the only thing I can do is present what I know about the information, with the understanding that it may or may not be true.

I don’t like to come across like I know more than I really do, because this always leads to problems and is very unwise. So I’m left with knowing a few things, but really not knowing much at all, and discovering that I really don’t know anything compared to the bigger picture. This gives me the feeling that sometimes it’s better not to say anything, and to let people find their own way. While this may appear counter productive, sometimes it seems the best thing to do in many instances.

For instance, at times throughout the year I attend public events where I have the opportunity to display books, writings etc about Billy. Numerous times I will have people come up to me and say “Oh yes I know about Billy Meier, is he still having contacts etc….” but their interest seems to wane at that point. It makes me think, does people’s thinking turn off after a certain point and the curiosity that drew them to Billy initially, was in reality just a curiosity and nothing more.???

I have concluded up to this point, that there are many, many people that either have no interest in learning more than what is presented to them by the local media etc, or the seeds of materialism are so entrenched into the psyche of humans that the desire to learn and discover has been retarded to the point that stagnation is the inevitable result.

Maybe I’m at this point between belief and knowledge and cannot look to others for answers or confirmation and that I must learn what really penetrates into me can only be experienced by me in its own unique fashion and this will result in my truth. You know its like being a bird looking for food. You pick up a leaf shake it, poke your beak into the ground sometime you get the worm sometimes not, but over time you learn to know where to look for the worms hopefully!

Thanks for listening…

Salome
Scott
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Michael
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Scott,

Allow me to throw in a quick couple of points. As you may notice in my DVD, I distinguish between those things that are speculative (those which haven't been proved or disproved), and those that are factual, those that have been proved. It's simpler, honest and enables you to put things out there for consideration without having to defend everything.

Likewise, I differntiate between beliefs and factual knowledge. For people who have a religious viewpoint, if there's any room for dialogue, I may offer the idea that the sum total "proof" for the truth of divine authorship, etc. in any religion rests on the painfully ridiculous, unsupportable and inadmissible premise, "what's in this book is true because this book says it's true." That is an inescapable truth that the Meier case doesn't suffer from, being the source of the most abundant, specific, prophetically accurate information (also absent the to be expected volumes of fals information) in all of human history.

Hope that helps.
Michael Horn
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Lonnie
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Hi Scott,

Concerning your comment:

"Maybe I’m at this point between belief and knowledge and cannot look to others for answers or confirmation and that I must learn what really penetrates into me can only be experienced by me in its own unique fashion and this will result in my truth."

I think this is the same experience that many Core members have when it comes to gaining further knowledge. And you may already know this. During group discussions with Billy, no one ever says that they understand anything. To say 'yes I understand' is self limiting to growth and development. Instead they will say, 'I see.'

Especially during group discussions, everyone has their own understanding of a certain subject. When we observe the different understanding of each one, then our own understanding increases, because none of Billy's teachings can be considered absolute truth. It is only Billy's truth. The teachings we have now are only a 'stepping stone,' so to speak, to evolving to a higher level at which time we will gain a new truth.

And yes, not everyone is going to comprehend this information or the more important aspects of the mission. Compared to the native earth spirits, the ET spirits are relatively few in number.

Best regards,
Lonnie
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Tjames
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Hello friends,

Although I don't know each and every one of you personally, I would very much like to share the path and the burden that life can and must bring as friends share it and each and every day grow closer as a growing Figu family.
I have a deep longing for new and better things coupled with a tough-love attitude. I think it is a must especially if you have deep compassion for all life but like all good things they must be guarded and protected with might in order for it to last and grow, like necessary barbarism.
I want to stop now and let you guys know that I am speaking not with any ill motive or with foul intentons but am speaking from my "heart" a.k.a. myself.
I felt it necessary to say these words because as I mentioned before I don't know each and everyone of you on a personal level...yet. And, I would like to. If you would talk to any of my friends... and yes I mean friends, as Billy correctly states: People from America are very easy to call you a friend. And I would add "very easy to lose one too". I would like to let each and every one of you know that I have very few true "friends" perhaps 5 that I still hold dear, so I am simply but expressivly stating: I'm in it for the long-run guys!
Although, I may not know all there is to know about the contacts, life, or even communication skills. I characteristically and through intentional effort do some things that I feel have helped me in living a healthier and happier life. One which is in truth, through strive, strait-forwardness, and deep compassion.
I am sorry fellas if I showed my impatients with the discussion earlier with Cyril. I simply am not as experienced as many of you. However I did learn many new things from my involvement with our debate as well as through all of your input too and that is don't be afraid to come out of your shell (for me especially), say what you mean and mean what you say, don't assume that just because they are on the forum (silly enough) that they KNOW what you're talking about and especially on the importance of asking, and really thourougly disecting a discussion's + 's and - 's to not only have a balanced response on my part, but to end up with an aswer that fully coincides with truth and logic. So that others don't read your post an HAVE to add an aditional post as opposed to just wanting to add more to the conversation.
I have alot to learn but i'm positive I will be up to par.. maybe even birdie LOL, within reasonable timing.


Salome,
Tim
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Adonna
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"And yes, not everyone is going to comprehend this information or the more important aspects of the mission. Compared to the native earth spirits, the ET spirits are relatively few in number."

Aloha Lonnie,
In regards to your above statement, is that to say that those who do comprehend the info/mission aspects are ET spirits?????
Adonna
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Melli
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Hello,
I read regularly information on exopolitics.org by Dr. Michael Salla and I am totally fascinated, it goes beyond description.
I came across a link to Alex Collier from .galactic diplomacy.com where he writes about his own connections to ETS beings and publishes them on his site. M. Salla believes that he is a genuine contactee. I would like to ask: because there are so many people who are honest and truthful, will there be a unification by those special people for the purpose of uniting us around the globe and creating a better world? Are the organizations in contact with one another? I truly believe that we are all ONE Creation. Sincerely,
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Tjames
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Hello Melli,

Nice to meet you. Have you read the introduction to meditation on the figu website? After I read them a while ago and again fairly recently the importance on learning how to distinguish the difference between using knowledge vs. belief became very clear to me. I felt that this was an extremely important step in my evolution which was thinking in accordance with the truth which really is the base of the spirit teachings. Belief in things and concepts only stifles our ability to rationally perceive and clearly understand all issues. When I hear that someone believes something is true I usually ignore them or ask them "so, how do you KNOW this" regardless if they are "good people" or not. The next round of questioning to Billy is available perhaps he knows something about Mr. Collier or "the unifacation of those special people". In all seriousness Melli, I wouldn't suggest spending too much time researching Mr. Collier except for the purpose of authenticating or de-bunking it due to the sheer rareness that embodies a true UFO contact case.

Peace in Wisdom,
Tim
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Jo_jo
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Adonna,

That sounds like a good question for Billy.
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Memo00
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hi Melli

i doubt very much that M.Salla (or any of the other persons related with that website) is in contact with ETs,

a lot of info in the website you mention (galactic diplomacy) is pure nonsense (although some things are true),

as i see it, it is very probable that they are only people trying to make money by mixing some facts, with lies (of other charlatans)and of their own invention

take care
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Michael
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Regarding:

"Posted by Melli on Saturday, June 25, 2005 - 10:32 pm:

Hello,
I read regularly information on exopolitics.org by Dr. Michael Salla and I am totally fascinated, it goes beyond description.
I came across a link to Alex Collier from .galactic diplomacy.com
where he writes about his own connections to ETS beings and publishes them on his site. M. Salla believes that he is a genuine contactee. I would like to ask: because there are so many people who are honest and truthful, will there be a unification by those special people for the purpose of uniting us around the globe and creating a better world? Are the organizations in contact with one another? I truly believe that we are all ONE Creation. Sincerely,"

"Alex Collier" is the self-made new name of a man who was originally called Ralph Amagran, a retired IRS tax agent. He was the man that I met in a cafe in Sedona, Arizona, who gave me the English language Contact Reports/Notes in 1986. It seems he "discovered" that he was a "life-long Andromedan contactee" after having thoroughly studied Billy's writings and, having found himself with no other means of employment, he turned to producing fabricated information, which were in large part disortions of Billi's writings.

To the best of my knowledge he has stopped his hoax for now, probably having either lost his powers of imagination, gotten tired of being progressively recognized as a fraud or maybe because he got a real job, I don't know for sure.

While I am grateful to him for having given me the Meier information, I feel that it's a pity that he carried on his charade for so long.
Michael Horn
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FIGU reference to Alex Collier, excerpt from:
http://www.lanzendorfer.ch/Artikel_Daten/bulletin_4.htm

"Immer hdufiger treten auch Schwindler und Betr|ger auf den Plan,
die einfach Billys Photoaufnahmen oder Ausz|ge seiner Texte f|r
ihre Fdlschungen verwenden, wovon sich die Plejadier/Plejaren
nat|rlich distanzieren, wie z.B. von Eduardo Garcia Covarrubias,
Barbara Marciniak, A. Collier, Adrain alias Manny Escandon, Fred
Bell, George Green, Jani King, Barbara Hand Clow, Amorah Quan Yin
und andere."

Rough translation using Systran:
"Ever more hdufiger also swindlers and Betr|ger step on the plan, who
simply f|r their Fdlschungen use Billys photographs or Ausz|ge of its
texts, about which the Plejadier/Plejaren dissociates itself
nat|rlich, e.g. alias of Eduardo Garcia Covarrubias, Barbara
Marciniak, A. COLLIER, Adrain Manny Escandon, Fred Bell, George Green,
Jani King, Barbara hand Clow, Amorah Quan Yin and other one."
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Lonnie
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Aloha Adonna,

It is very likely.

Salome,
Lonnie
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Gaiaguysnet
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Sixteen nice CROP CIRCLES in WETZIKON!


Last year's was right across the Zürich Lake at Thalwil.

This one's only about 10kms (6 miles) away In Wetzikon!

Will they be landing at the SSSC in '06?

These have been Switzerland's only recorded CCs, as far as I know.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2005/SWITZERLAND/SWITZERLAND2005.html

http://www.vcs.ch/cropcircles/

Cheers!
Dyson
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Gaiaguysnet
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Regarding the real ET origins of Crop Circles:

I just wanted to add that a few years ago the Plejaren changed their tune about them being dispicable hoaxes, only believed by gullible Earth idiots. It's still only in the Greman language. We've got a little bit about it in English here: http://www.gaiaguys.net/ptaacropcs.htm

Cheers!
Dyson
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Wolfbrother
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hey everyone im new here. I wanted to know if anyone knows if regression therapy (in the form of Traumatic Incident Reduction or Dianetic Auditing) is a practical method of healing the psyche. If anyone believes that these methods are false teachings please include why you think so.(I have seen many people benefit from it)
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Phil638
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does anyone know who runs the "galactic server" then? It has lots of stuff there on the Billy Meier case as well as Steven Greer and Wendelle Stevens stuff there too, but it also has other stuff listed there about other ET cases (eg. alec newald's co-evolution) which I'm unsure about the validity of them too?

http://www.galactic.no/rune/udxen.html

regards phil
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Hello Phil, his name is Rune "Oeverby"- Øverby in norwegian. He is part of an organization called "Norwegian study of Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence", NETI.
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Phil638
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Hi Dplotmach, I thought his site was very good, until I noticed how many ppl he has listed there as being genuine ET contacts (dan fry, uri geller, val thor, ect) and then I thought I'd better ask some ppl here about the site before I'd read any further of it. Any suggestions wether or not I should read further material from there?
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Hi Phil,
You must self decide if you want to read the rest of it, and you must decide yourself what to believe in, or ask Billy f.ex. There are many people that have been caught for hoaxing, and I think Uri Geller is one of those. I do not know so much about other cases. But on Semjase.net there is mostly genuine material, exept The Talmud of Jmmanuel, which is not properly translated, an interview with a man who says he have had contacts with Semjase, a link to Dr Fred Bells website, and a book the webmaster has written himself, concerning the early earth-history "mostly" based on the information Semjase gave to Meier.
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Phil638
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hi dplomach,

i'm giving that site the flick then coz theres stuff there which contradicts and goes against what billy meiers case claims.

The thing that i can't seem to understand yet is why ppl have billy meiers stuff on their website as well as false ufo material on their site too? This must be because they've yet to thouroghly research the meier case to know whats true and whats false in ufo scene today? Or maybe its coz theres so much ufo stuff out there today that floods and confusers most people? But i think that most ppl just don't take the meier case serious enough today is the main problem.

| find it so hard to believe that ppl just can't have a quick look at some of the meier ufo "case facts" to see thru to the validity of it?

regards phil
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Gaiaguysnet
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Hi guys,

The reason that BEAM is mixed with B.S. is simple.

It's called "DDT". It stands for Decoy, Distract and Trash. More here: www.gaiaguys.net/DP-DDT.htm

Billy & Co. say that Dan Fry is the only (other) genuine ET contactee. I think his name has come up before here. It's quite interesting and there is stuff on the Net. Sort of "Creation for Dummies".

Uri Geller is even more interesting. The Plejaren say that his assertion that he can bend spoons, etc. with the power of his mind alone is sheer nonsense. What he is actually and unwittingly doing is bending spoons with the collected power of the unwitting minds of his audience alone!

Doctor Tom Bearden goes into agonizing technical detail about how it's done with the mind. Something about quarks affected by consciousness if I remember correctly, which temporarily distort atomic bonds in metals.

It's real. See www.cheniere.org

FIRST comes the monstrous power of thoughts (fine matter realm), then comes spoons and the rest of the course stuff.

Phil, I know how hard it is to accept that most folks don't see the truth in Billy's work. In order to understand this you have to understand the hard lesson that we Earthlings have spirit forms at all different levels of evolution, depending on where they originally came from and how old they are, etc. MOST of us are not ready for the truth by a long shot, and the rest of us are left scratching our heads why this could be.

We are not "all created equal” at all except in at the most fundamental and important level. We are ALL creatures of Creation, who carry a fragment of Creation within us as the enlivening force, and are thus entitled to the respect that deserves, BUT some of us are not as smart or as evolved as others. Some are apparently "born leaders/teachers" and most of the rest of us are not. We are ALL students.

Cheers!
Dyson
www.gaiaguys.net
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Phil638
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I also want to say that I think that the switzeland militry army that moved into a property very closeby to billy's house just to watch him shouldn't be there to watch him, but instead should be there to protect him. These ppl haven't got a brain in heads coz on one hand they believe in the validity of the meier case but seem to not believe that WW3 looms just around the corner and that their lives are at stake here too. Thats the reason why they should be offering to help him in any way that they can by at least offering billy from long ago to protect him from further assasination attempts, but they did nothing, neither them or their secret service or their stupid government too. :-(

phil
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Phil638
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I guess ur right there dyson. I just wished that billy was getting some more help from high profile ppl around the world who are believers in his case is all. I think that Michael Horn is doing an absolutely fantastic job that his doing and has been doing, but for virtually one person to wake up the world to where its heading is no where near enough to what should be getting done considering what's at stake here is what I think. :-(

phil
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Vibka
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Hi Melli,
I live in Australia too, in the Northeast of Victoria. And I speak German. If you are not too far away we may be able to study together?
Cheers,
Vibka
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Vibka
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Hi Everyone,
I am new to this discussion board and keen to find out if there's another Aussie on board for perhaps networking / study group?
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Kiwilove
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Hi

I am reading through the Dulce Papers material at the moment - I wonder if this information is genuine or not? Any comments?
Also what Phil Schneider has revealed in his lectures? I think that he has since been murdered?
[There is an old video I downloaded off the Internet, which seems to confirm the secret government of the USA black budgets info, aka Majestic 12, etc]
Also whether the following is generally regarded as being authentic too?
The Montauk Project (ie. information from Al Beliek
The Philadelphia Experiment (ties in with above)
Majestic 12 (Is this accurate at all? or merely disinformation - some variation on the truth)
The Hollow Earth (ie. advanced people living inside, wanting nothing to do with us)
Any other information sources, similar to the above?

Harvey
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Junior
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Dear Harvey,
A while ago one of my friends asked the question to Billy about the Hollow Earth theory.
His reply was that it is a Fantasy theory, i am sure you will be able to find his answer on the Q&A of Billy
Peace to all, and one Love
Junior
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Phil638
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hey has anyone read this article from "nexus" magazine a while ago declaring how einstein was a dead set plagiarist? (stole other peoples material and claimed it as his own) I just read what nexus had printed about him and found it all very interesting.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html
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Michael
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Hi,

There is going to be a rebroadcast of the 4-hour radio show I did with Art Bell in March 2004, this Sunday, August 14 at: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/

New appearances include the National UFO Conference in Hollywood. I'll be making a special presentation for the press on Friday, September 2. For more information: http://www.nufoc.org/

I'm also being interviewed by Hilly Rose and information about the date of broadcast will be available at: www.fatemag.com/radio

Another new interview with Rob Simone will be broadcast during September on: http://www.robsimone.com/

A new article of mine will appear in the September edition of UFO magazine.

And I will be giving four lectures in Australia in September, see: http://nexusmagazine.com/nexconf2005.2.html

I'll also be at the Bay Area UFO Expo in October, see:
http://thebayareaufoexpo.com

Best,

MH
Michael Horn
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Michael
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Also, some of my articles have been translated into Polish here: www.npn.ehost.pl

MH
Michael Horn
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Tjames
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Hey Mike,
I remembered I have a few questions particularly for you. Normally I would ask individual questions over e-mail but some might wonder about these things now or down the road.
I was wondering if you still practice Chi-Gong. I read that the Plejaren say there is no "chakras" but I am sure that the power of the spirit is summoned simply by request. Have you heard of Dr. Sha @ drsha.com ? I heard of it through him on Mysteries of the Mind... he speaks for the masses and probably I know is not 100% accurate but the spiritual request and visualization techniques he suggests do work (5,000 years+). I've practiced for 3 years now along-side meditation for at least 7 years. I'm now 21

2. My friend wants to know if he can put your DVD "The Meier Contacts" (which i bought from you) on the internet for people to see free. I wouldn't recommend it because I feel that takes away from your production for more movies and living expenses also a certain value is put on information after it's purchased that wouldn't otherwise be.
Also the Pamphlets (which i would recommend purchasing for the same reasons) from the Figu shop. I know it's ok to copy the overpopulation pamphlets but are there any restrictions on copyrights for the Meier material to follow?

Whith exceptions for Randy audio files (lol)
Oh and by the way good job on the Music on "The Pleiadian Mission" I watch it for the cool 80's music.. haha!
I've purchased all Meier Material that I own.
Maybe it's as simple as loyalty but maybe you could guide us in the right direction?!

Thank You Mr. Horn,
Saalome
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Gaiaguysnet
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Hi Vibka!

There are a few of us all of a sudden!

We're here www.gaiaguys.net/location.htm

Drop us a line. I'll make an online map with a pin for each of us.

We need help with German. Is it your mother tongue?

Bewdy!
Dyson & Vivienne
gaiaguys@gaiaguys.net
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Michael
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Hi Tjames,

I still do some Chi Gong as the mood strikes me. I don't view it as any kind of mystical practice, for me it amounts to relaxation, focus and intention with a meditative attitude. It has definite physical, mental and emotional value for me to do it with this frame of mind.

Yes, I would appreciate your friend not posting my DVD for all the reasons you stated, and it would be a copyright violation to do so as well.

While I got credit for music on that video, the song that I wrote, "One With brother River", wasn't used in the final version as I recall, only some music that I think I selected for it.

Best,
Michael Horn
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Tjames
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Thank you Michael,

I let him know.
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Rubaiyat
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Hi everyone,
i just came back from holiday in the US and Canada. I bought "And Yet They Fly". It's perrrttty cool. HI Vibka! i live in Sydney. wow our Aussie numbers are growing. I still haven't gotten around to buying a German-English dictionary. I want to read OM. Hey Dyson and Viv :-)!!! I wouldlike to get some of those pamphlets off you guys. Wasn't there another aussie named "Meli" here too (hallo by the way) so where do you live?
XO
Rubaiyat
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Phil638
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Hi Michael,

just in regards to when you go to all the UFO conferences that you go to and where you listen to what other UFO guest speakers are saying about UFO matters before you come out to speak. You must get put off or annoyed with a lot of them speaking when you hear them talking about UFO information that is false in all the UFO conferences you go to? I guess you must hold back on saying some things out of consideration which would contradict to what some previous speakers are saying or have said before you there about UFO matters at most of the UFO conferences that you go to?

I would very much like to hear you speak when you come down to Australia soon but unfortunetly I live in melbourne.

phil
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Michael
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Hi Phil,

Circumstances often conspire to prevent my hearing all the other speakers. But so far I haven't heard anything of particular interest. If asked my opinion, by either attendees or speakers, I give it. Of course, if I'm not familiar with a case I simply ask what proof there is to support it. I haven't yet heard anything solid though, as I said, I don't get to attend all other presentations.

Sorry you can't make it to the lectures. In addition to Brisbane there will be the GOld Coast, the North Coast and Sydney.

Best
Michael Horn
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Phil638
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Hi Michael,

I thought you would have come across that scenario more often then you say you did of hearing guest speakers at UFO conferences talking about UFO information that is false to what the meier material says it is? I mean, I heard some of the radio interviews that some of the other well known UFO speakers are talking in and in every one of them I heard them often state things about various UFO matters/info that goes against what the meier material says is the truth? So I kinda thought that there would have often been times when you probably would've held back on saying some things in your speak that you would've have liked to have said otherwise in your speak if they didn't say various false statements when they gave their speak just prior to when you were about to give yours. (so as you don't embarress them or to create a situation where 2 ppl's info conflict with each other and confuses the listeners)

phil
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Hi Michael,
I live in Los Angeles and am looking forward to your presentation. It seems that the nufoc.org site that list the part of your program requires pre-registration, which isn't a problem. If you click the link to register the page states the server is unable to find any content. I know you have zero control over this but maybe you would know what the situation really is. I plan on showing up regardless, but any fore knowledge of what to expect at the door would help. I have already emailed nufoc in this matter. Thanks for any input you may have.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Michael
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Hi Shawn,

I don't know more than you do right now but I also copied your email to them. Hopefully clarification comes soon!

See you there,
Michael Horn
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I don't know if the question that I'm about to ask has anything to do with this discussion board. But if it doesn't feel free to remove it. I have no problem with that.

Hi Billy,
I was wondering how do the Pleiadians live? ex: do they have any kind of religion and ceremonies? how do they cook their food if they don't use micrawave's? how in the world do they meditate? how do they speak cosmic telepathy? If possible can you give me some easy baby steps on how to meditate/speak cosmic telepathy.

thanks,
McKenna
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Prophetseeker
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Hello i am new and have been studying the whole ufo biz since i was about seven. It was about 1987 that i read about billy and thought his pics were real. Now i have heard the reason the female plejaren does not want her pic tacken and i would like to know if that is still the way it stands.Because i do not realy believe people that far advanced still think the picture can be used to put a spell on them. It smells a little bad and i think there is another reason no pictures are allowed.plus i would be very careful to believe what they say just because they say so.They just might have it in for us. I think taken a picture has something to do with seeing something thay have no desire for us to see. I would love to here what you guys have to say and maybe even billy. Richard Tassey
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Michael
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The reason that I recall for not taking pictures of the Plejaren is that human beings are very quick to divert their attention to images of people, make them into special creatures, i.e. gods, angels, saints, masters, etc. All of this is a form of idol worship and puts the focus outside of where it belongs, i.e. inside of ourselves and on our own thinking processes, meditation, etc.

The partial photos, without the faces of the Plejaren, show that they are human beings with five-fingered hands, hair, etc. Since you are new to this topic I suggest that you learn more about why they came here, what their message, teachings, information, etc. is about and how they are trying to help us to avert our own self-destruction.

All of this is far more important than our getting preoccupied with photos of their faces. There is more information at www.theyfly.com and www.figu.org
Michael Horn
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Scott
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I believe another reason was due to the fact that certain Plejarens have mingled with the earth population and didn't want to be recognized.
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Hi Richard ;

The Plejarens don't have it in for us .

Earth people , however , do .

Mark
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Phil638
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Scott are you saying that some of billy meiers plejaren contacts have intermingled with the earth population or other unknown plejarens? I take it you must be referring to billy's plejaren contacts coz their the only pictures that have been shown anywhere.

phil
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Hi Phil,

I do remember it being mentioned in the earlier contacts between Billy and Semjase. As you know this was the case with Asket when she visited Billy while he was staying at the Ashoka Ashram in Mehrauli India in the mid 60's. She was seen walking with Billy on occasion.

Scott
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Hi and welcome Richard,

I was just reading this last night. In the section Scott mentions, it states that becasue Semjase, back in those days, was still walking among us, the reason for the photo ban was simply, "security".

Salome,
Dyson
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Phil638
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I take it means she was walking around meeting other people other then billy in those days too? Anyone know what sort of reasons semjase would want to walk amongst us for? Who else would she have needed to interact with besides billy? I mean, she's fully telepathic and would know what anyone on the planet is thinking in their mind. I remember reading somewhere that einstein was a contactee at some stage in his life, could these be the type of people she might have been interacting with?

phil
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Solar
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Hello

You might be interested in this website :
http://danielfry.com
You will find there a COMPLETE(!) book "White sands incident" and also german version "Erlebnis von White Sands" written by Daniel Fry. According to Billy, Daniel Fry was a true contactee.However i recommend reading german version (it seems to be less distorted than english version)

Solar
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Gaiaguysnet
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Hi Phil,

Although this is not really the section of the board to discuss it, I'd suggest that - since Jschrjsch Semjase is a Terra specialist - she was simply doing field work.

Cheers!
Dyson
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Kingman
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Hi all,
I was a member in the audience for Michael Horn's presentation Sept. 2nd in Hollywood, California. He can definitely stand his ground and pack the information in an intelligible form that smoothly moves to each segment. Many in the audience know something of the "Billy Meier story" and one could sense the clarity that Billy's story gives to the UFO community. This helps some feel comfortable that there is irrefutable evidence they can base their search on.
The real pictures of Billy's early day's, and the people he met and influenced helped the foundation of Billy's incredible story become more plausible. Michael is unshakeable. His solid understanding of where the challenges of the skeptics(true skeptics) will come from has him prepared to answer the questions they pose. I have a strange habit of picking out pieces of the information being spoken and immediately go into a day dream-like vision involving what had just been heard. I'm sure that looked pretty funny if you were to see me at that moment. I hope Michael didn't think I was bored! Far from it. He is what is needed for the confused majority in America.
He also maintains the integrity of the mission and segways into the message the Plejaren are dedicated to delivering earth humans. This is not necessarily why most in the crowd have come to hear him speak. Michaels sincerity and commitment to the message surely effects any there who are ready for the truth.
I didn't bother to stay for the entire conference, I was lucky to have the time for Michaels part. Thank you Michael, it's a strengthening source for my growing understanding of information that can only help all mankind.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Kaare
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Hi Shawn and all,

Thanks for your comments about Michaels presentation Sept 2nd in Hollywood Califoria. After reading it,
I like to mention that I think it is great that Michael is making the time and effort to bring his presentation over to the audience here in Australia as well. I am going to the Sydney lecture October 1st. Those that live out here, don’t miss this opportunity. Here is a reminder of places and dates:
-Brisbane Saturday 24th September
-Sunshine Coast (Montville) Tuesday 27th September
-Gold Coast (Robina) Thursday 29th September.
-Sydney Saturday 1st October.
For details:
http://nexusmagazine.com/nexconf2005.2.html
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2005/jul/m08-001.shtml

regards
Kaare
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Phil638
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Hi Dyson,

wouldn't that be a dangerous thing of semjase to do then if she was just mingling amonst the earths populace conducting her feild work? I mean, what if she was murdered by some lunatic or even if she was hit and killed by a moving car somewhere too while she was doing her feild work down here? Wouldn't this be of a great risk to her if she died on this planet and as a result she couldn't be reincarnated back on her home world again, amongst her own people - the plejarens then?

phil
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Melli
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Dear Everyone,
How many of you are aware that a letter received telepathically by a French man who worked for the French aviation industry was translated from French to English and published over the net in Sep. 2003? This amazing message is called: "Do you want us to show up"?
I often read this letter because it is so dense with galalctic information that one needs to read it slowly to be able to absorb the richness of its messsage and envisage the proposals within.
How would the board memebers feel if it was published on your site too? I am asking because I feel that humanity must come to a conscious togetherness in order to begin to create a consciousness that will bring a world shift?
This letter is 'food for my soul' and I treasure its message dearly.
I also met the man recently and he's humbleness made me realize how Our Family Above is concerned for all of our humanity. We can all help each other, if we begin to Believe that the world is indeed worth saving.
Melli
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Phil638
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Hi Melli,

I think that would be great idea but how would we know if this french aviation person behind it isn't a liar, fraudster or skizophrenic? I mean, anyone can say they received a telephathic message from aliens, but who would really know if their telling the truth or not other then them? I see you mention that there is a lot of information to go with it as well, but I also felt the same way about a person called Alex Collier and his UFO information he presented, until I found out by some other people on this forum that his a liar.

phil
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Hi Melli,
This topic about the "ET message" came up in March in the 'ET Intervention On Earth' section; here's what I posted about it:
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/178.html#POST14482
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Gaiaguysnet
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Hi Phil,

Of course there would be some danger to Semjase & Co., but these folks obviously have all sorts of nifty security devices that we Earthlings can only guess about, as well as an ability to see into the future, as well as the technical wherewithal in the medical field to do all sorts of things. Remember when Semjase fell and hurt her head? That was fixed up in a way that wouldn’t have been available to us down here, so the risks would have been - I think – calculated and manageable. Add to that their more accurate understanding of what death REALLY is.

I gave you a pretty short answer to your original question. The below from www.gaiaguys.net/jhwhishuman.htm should flesh it out for you a little as to why they shun open contact.

By the way, check out www.gaiaguys.net/nokodemion.htm for our latest effort.

And we are working on something now about the origins of the various Earth Humans which should appear soon and is really interesting. Some of us are “recent” arrivals!

Salome,
Dyson

“People express frustration or cynicism at the fact that, although hundreds of day time photos and film clips exist of the extraterrestrial craft visiting Billy Meier, the current Plejaran do not let themselves be seen or photographed. The Plejaran have explained to Billy Meier why this is, and reasons are also laid out in OM. Because the JHWH is a physical human being he can, of course, be touched and seen, but he guards against being seen or felt by any people who still require instruction in the laws and directives of Creation. This is because he does not tolerate worship and adoration, nor does he desire it. There are people who erroneously seek to worship and adore the JHWH, the prophet and their helpers, and so the prophet and the guards and helpers of the JHWH also refrain from moving about directly among the people.

OM, Kanon 7:14 Also bleibet der JHWH dem noch zu belehrenden Menschen unsichtbar und ungreifbar, und so auch alle seine ihm Angeordeneten, die Helfer und Wächter, so die noch zu Belehrenden nicht zur Verehrung und Anbetung neigend werden, und so der Mensch allein durch Verstand und Vernunft und durch Wissen, Wahrheit, Liebe und Weisheit um seine Existenz wissend werde, gleichermassen er auch zu tun hat im Wissen um die Existenz der Schöpfung.

Canon seven explains. Therefore the JHWH remains invisible and ungraspable to people who still require the instruction in the laws and directives of Creation. And so do all those who are under the JHWH's orders who are the helpers and guards. This is so that the people still requiring instruction do not lean towards worship and adoration. And so the human only becomes knowledgeable about their existence through understanding and reason, through knowledge, truth, love and wisdom. In the same way the human must also gain knowledge concerning the existence of Creation.”
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Moonshine
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Phil, semjase would never be hurt as gaia stated above. It wouldnt matter if she died here though, she would be taken back to her planet because shes an et and gets special treatment. I think its really unfair that they dont take the other et spirits back to suitable living conditions, for some this planet is a living hell. I dont think its unfair in the fact they took risks coming here and got bombed but for the fact it would take them 2 seconds to do it. Some ets are real rebellish and would help us with different tactics if you know what i mean. I wish the plejarens would grow some guts.
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Hi Moonshine,

If Semjase died on this planet, her spirit form would remain here. She would be subject to the laws of reincarnation like any other physical creature. There are numerous ET Spirit forms alive on this planet currently who have died here previously and now must remain. The possibility remains in future times when planet earth develops cosmic space travel that these spirit forms/people may find the opportunity to travel back to their home worlds. Of course this also would depend on many other factors.

Regards
Scott
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Phil638
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hi scott,

if semjase died here and then was reincarnated here, then she would be going backwards 30 million years in the scheme of her spiritual evolution. How is it that she can then go suddenly forward 30 million years in her spiritual evolution level to be back home with the plejarens on their spirit level? I thought that if a person spirit level is not on the same sort of level that a planets spirit level is on, then they can't be reincarnated there. I mean, like the thousands of ET spirits (which are billions of years old?) that incarnated here and who are possibly some of us people here at the moment that are studying meiers spirit material couldn't be reincarnated on the plejarens planet if they died there, even though they were once far more evoluted spirit souls then what the plejarens are at now. I thought that if people go backwards in their spirit evolution level, then thats where they must now work themselves up from. So doesn't that mean that if semjase died here that she couldn't go back to her homeworld because she is also subject to the laws of reincarnation? She must now work her spirit evolution level up from where it is at now, which is the same spirit level as all the rest of us here, which is 30 million years behind the plejarens spirit evolution level?

phil
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Gaiaguysnet
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Hi Moonshine,

I wish you'd do your homework.

Salome,
Dyson
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Michael
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Phil,

My guess is that, in such a case, a Plejaren husband and wife would come here and procreate within the "atmosphere" of our planet, i.e. so that her spirit could incarnate, through their union, in a world with a suitable level of evolution. At the appropriate time, after the 21st day, they could return to their homeworld with the woman pregnant with a child in whom the spirit was now present.
Michael Horn
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Scott
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Phil,

On this planet there are spirit forms currently alive that in times past achieved the levels of ELO-JHWH and JHWH. This relates to consciousness related evolution in terms of abilities, knowledge wisdom etc..but even though these spirit forms are alive today, they may not currently exhibit this level of knowledge, learning etc. This is because in order for those spirit forms to exist today as physical creatures their consciousness related evolution must conform somewhat to the times they find themselves in.

It would be very difficult for anyone to exist at such a “higher” level today, due to the incompatibilities of vibrations etc. Billy is a prime example of this, even though his spirit form is many Billions of years old, it does not match the level of his physical related consciousness, which is primitive compared to the age and evolution of his spirit form. In addition, it has been mentioned to me, all ET spirit forms that are currently existing on this planet have been “adjusted” from the Arahat Athersata level so they can co-exist with regular earth humans. Now this may be a special situation, and in normal circumstances this could not occur which would support the idea of the higher developed beings not being able to reincarnate on a more “lesser developed world”.

I also think too much emphasis is being placed on whether someone possesses an ET Spirit Form or not. If you think about, it just means a spirit form from another world, but really it is a spirit like any other spirit created by Creation, which places no value or hierarchy other than all spirits are destined for "perfection"...

My 3 cents……..

Regards
Scott
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Moonshine
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They can't trace spirit forms gaia? I think your wrong on that one..
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Phil638
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hi michael,

but wouldn't they just be taking a child that is at this planets spirit evolution level back in pyshical form back to their home planet. That child would still be 30 million years behind the plejarens spirit evolution level. So when that child dies on that erra planet there it still wouldn't be at the sufficent spirit level to be able to incarnate there again. if semjase is now at our spirit evolution level then that would be exactly the same as if one of us were to be taken back to the plejarens planet and we too wouldn't be able to incarnated there on that planet with them because of us being 30 million years behind that planets/plejarens spirit level there.

I'm not sure what you mean here but I see you could be making mention here that they could take the child back to another planet perhaps with the comment -

"so that her spirit could incarnate, through their union, in a world with a suitable level of evolution".

I'm guessing what your saying here is that they could take the child to another planet that is reasonably far ahead of this planets spirit level, but not too far ahead that the child couldn't be incarnated there, meaning that the child when it dies and gets incarnated there on that planet it went too, it could possibly be getting incarnated there 1-3 million years ahead of the spirit evolution level where it was at when the child was first brought to that planet there. So in effect they could be walking that child up stairs taking small spirit evolutionary leaps or playing hopscotch with that child on different worlds over and over again, till lets say over 10-15 lifetimes of doing that till that child reaches the spirit evolution level where its possible for that child to be incarnated back on the plejarens planet? I don't know if this is exactly what you mean here, but I'm only guessing it is.

If it is then I do see now how it could be possible for the plejarens to return semjase's spirit back to their homeworld again if it ever died here. And the reason why this is possible for them to achieve and why its not possible for us to achieve is obviously because of how they've got advanced spaceships and we don't.

All I've got to say here then is, my, my all the luxuries and all the pleasures and enjoyments that a good spaceship rewards the owner with. I want one. :-)

phil
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It’s not possible for a spirit form to devolve or regress. A spirit form never loses it’s knowledge and wisdom no matter what the conditions are in which it reincarnates.
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Phil638
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Hi scott, I've just posted a post in refering to michaels post there and only now noticed your post come up here. Yes I do see some of the points you are making there and I must admit that some of it is unfortunetly still over my head. I blame this on me not reading any of billy's or other people's spiritual books here still. However, I look forward to when I soon have read some of these spirit books and are able to understand and follow what some of the other people are saying here with regards to more complex spiritual matters.

thanks phil
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Gaiaguysnet
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Hi everyone! We have a sudden lively and interesting debate.

Moonshine, my name is Dyson, not gaia, and I run gaiaguys.net. Sorry about the confusion. And no, I did not intend to leave you with the impression that spirit forms could not be “traced”. I was merely bemoaning the fact that I’m always reading things from various people who do not understand the horrific ramifications of what they are saying, suggesting that the Plejaren are evil, stupid and or cowards, etc. and my natural sense of justice and desire for the truth not to be denied kicks in.

I’ve read almost all of FIGU’s German language publications and know that such assertions are complete garbage from people who either don’t know any better and make illogical assumption based of their ignorance, or – worst yet – people who are deliberate disinformation agents, for whatever suicidal reasons. This is an unimaginably spiritually dangerous practice and just yesterday I started having a look at a little translation of Kanon 9 in OM which deals with this very important matter. Watch www.gaiaguys.net/OM.K9.htm

Earth’s many religions have corrupted their grave misunderstandings of the Creational Law of cause and effect into “the wrath of God” and “the torments of the damned”. From my understanding of things, those expressions are gross understatements.

This is why I said I wish you would do your homework so you could make a more informed decision before thinking (let alone publishing!) things like, “I wish the plejarens would grow some guts.”

Similarly, Semjase WAS hurt here, and very badly. We almost lost her. She’s only human. We all bleed.

Jo-Jo: (Nice to “meet” you!) It’s my understanding that spiritual degeneration is possible to the point that peoples can fade out altogether. Bonobos are an example of this, according to the FIGU literature.

Scott: I really liked your explanation, “my 3 cents worth” You are too modest. One question please? What or who is an “ELO-JHWH.” It’s not a term I’ve seen yet.

Salome my friends,
Dyson
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Hello Dyson,

Through the kind efforts of Jacob one of the FIGU moderators he has put together a list of spiritual terms and definitions.

Please read: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/4224.html

Salome
Scott
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Jo_jo
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Dyson,

Has a spirit form ever been destroyed? How is that possible? Would it happen in the spiritual or physical realm?
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Hello Jo Jo,

A spiritform cant be destroyed since its part of Creation itself, they only way that would be possible if a spiritform doesnt reach perfection before Creation would go to sleep, then the spiritenergy of a spiritform would be nullified.
However this happening is impossible since the laws of Creation ensure that every single spiritform will reach perfection because at some point in evolution every human will come to the conclusion that evolution is the most important thing in life.
Salome,
Jacob

Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Norm
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Dyson, What do you mean? Bonobos are apes.
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Gaiaguysnet
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Dear fellow FIGU friends!

I’m not trying to shirk my personal responsibility, nor make excuses with the below explanation.

OK. I guess it is an excuse!

I habitually read the German language FIGU literature in stages. First I excitedly race through it to see what’s there, and then I try to go back and make notes and references to what I read and where. This is admittedly inefficient and probably an indication of my barbarism. Oh well! Can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear! In short, I can’t remember where I read all that I remember reading, nor am I sufficiently organized and efficient to make the notes before I try to share what I’ve read. Add to that our escalating legal dramas with the Freemasons stealing our property here, and that is the gist of my excuses for not being able to find the references to the Earth people who degenerated and became apes. I think this was even mentioned by Semjase in the Stevens’ material, but the word Bonobo was only recently used … I think in Kontachtberichte 5 or 6?

Michael Horn is still patiently waiting for me to provide the reference (from the above) to the USAmericans finally waking up to Bush’s farce in 2006, (Or 2005???) cats being AIDS carriers, and probably a few other claims. Any assistance would be useful!

Jo-Jo: I think Jacob has addressed your question. (Thanks Jacob.)

And thanks also for the glossary, and Scott for pointing it out. It deserves its own webpage, I think, as we have with David Chance’s updates linked from www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm

“ELO-JHWH/JHRH”? Fascinating! So it seems likely that this is the origins of the word “Elohim” the Raëlians and the other Zionists are on about. Where did this info come from? Likewise the 5 intermediary stages between Arahat Athersata & Petale. Very interesting!

Cheers to all and keep up the good work!

Dyson
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Scott,

It seems these Arahat Athersata jokers are trying to speed up creation by having higher vibration humans in contact with lower developed ones to help them learn faster (condensement;like a high compression piston) without regard for the more developed's well-being. I don't know about them but I think they should answer to some authority or not do this anymore. These people might take out these bad decisions on others.
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Moonshine,

I myself hardly count as any kind of an authority on comprehending the Creational truth's, but just a simple overview of what the spiritual learning stress's to make common knowledge for all, is that the Universe will place the spirit where the spirit needs to be. The square peg forced in the round hole just seems highly unlikely for a spiritual option. I also remember reading that shielding of a higher evolved spirit is carried out to help the situation transpire. And as always the pendulum swings back for any answering to authority that is needed. I just don't sense the word 'jokers' fitting as a descriptive for the Arahat Athersata spiritual We-form.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Evolution would stagnate if everyone on Earth was at the same level of development. There will always be a few more advanced than the rest, who will lead by example.
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The Arahat Athersata carry out their tasks just as a farmer tills the soil or a cartographer makes maps - or better yet , like brilliant strategists arranging complexities to be played out over a long period of time , skillfully calculated .
It's what they do , and exactly their place to do it .
Any judgement on a human being of earth toward their work would be like an infant trying take the place of a judge in a coutroom .

I'm not comparing you to a child , take notice ;
and have a care not to be like one while you visit
among like minded thinkers.
Mark Campbell
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Phil638
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I know most people here would probably already know this, but what relationship does the high council have to the Arahat Athersata?

sorry but its all over my head and I'm just trying to figure out what your all going on about here is all.

phil
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Hi Phil ;

Good question . I would say that they are working towards joining the Arahat Athersata (let's just call it AA , OK ?), and from recent information , they are impulsed by it , since they are close to it in evolution .
The Andromedans who are the High Council are semi solid , which I would really like to see ( or semi- see) sometime .
Mark Campbell
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I can understand Billy's reasoning for not allowing an artificial device be given to him, such as upon his great journey, when he was allowed to visit with Asket again. Because scientists would dissect it and learn valuable information. Why couldn't any one of the advanced people simply say to him "Reach out your hand, or stretch out your hand" in the same fashion that Jmmanuel performed his healings? Or why not program the ship's computer to do it whenever he was beamed aboard for contacts, or placed back down upon planet earth (Terra)?
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Memo00
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hi

the plejarens will never do that,
because that would go against Billy´s free will and it is part of their directives to not interefere with other persons desires, once Billy even menaced that he would stop all contacts with them if they would erase from him certain info that they considered to be too dangerous to be known. . .

after all "he" is the "man" (spirit) that "started" it all, the plejarens are where they are (living in peace and harmony according to the laws of creation) thanks to all the things that "he" did millions of years ago, they owe him respect ´cause he knows what he is doing. . .
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Bjljvyr2
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Thanks for your response, yet could it be still possible that because they only offered him an artificial arm and hand replacement, that that is the reason he refused? Could he still be waiting for another human, from this planet, to go up to him and say those magic words "Be Healed?" Thus fulfilling some long ago prophecy, of which I know not? It may still be that the power of healing is in the spoken word. These typewritten words are somewhat powerful, but still not the real thing, may this be true?
I rather like being an advocate for Billy and the mission, even though it flies in the face of adversity, and disbelief...
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Some time goes forward and other time goes backward. They may be using Billy as much to influence their own future which is our past as much as they may be using him to influence our own future. His current contact is said to be 163 years old. There are those who are said to have arrived at earth 63 million years ago. From someone else's perspective this may be 63 million year in the future. The next group that I hear about is said to come 81 million years ago in our past which would be their future. So they may very well be in conflict with those who come after them from their point of view. The 666 may effect them more than it effects us.
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Elvis,
Use the search to help your research in this forum. It's extremely helpful you'll find out. Here's what a small sample can do for the search " 666 ". It's from a older posting that has several sources quoted. There's much more as well.
______________________________________________________________
Hi Joseph....


Here are some excerpts explained by the Plejarens to Billy, and from
Billy him self. Hope this may give you more Insight.

Concerning the Title of the name Christ(us)/Christos/666/Anti-LOGOS.


Clarification of a Defamatory Claim

"On the other hand, the title Jesus Christ contains the value of
all that is evil, excessive and murderous. Christ is the English
version of the Old Greek word Christos and is a direct reference
to ancient, mysterious cult activities. That is to say that the
title Christos was applied to the actual cult rite during cult and
unreal rituals, when anointment and unction sacraments were per-
formed on sacrificial offerings and idols. If we speak here of
anointments and unctions, it does not refer to ointments and oils,
but the blood of infants, girls and virgins, who had been brutally
slaughtered and their blood gathered in urns.

But it is for all these reasons that even today the title Christus
or Christos stands for absolute negativity, contempt for Creation
and evil with the numerological value of 666."


Monitoring Systems

"Likewise, this terrifying vision foreshadows the 'New World Order'
which, from ancient times onward, was linked to prophecies about an
'animal with the number 666' exerting immense power. I intend to
elaborate more extensively, in justifiable form, in the FIGU News-
letter on this prophecy and vision, along with many other important
matters of which Man on Earth should be apprised."


From - 49 Questions - from the Billy Meier Contacts.

Q-38.What does anti-logos mean?

"Semjase: It is worth mentioning that the numerological value 666,
the Anti-Logos, and the related lies and misrepresentations, were
forced upon terrestrial human beings. Fanatics, liars, deceivers,
religions, charlatans, and the power hungry thrust this deceitful
name upon humans against their will. Hence, the value of the number
666 does not apply to an individual nor to the thinking processes
and actions of a long-departed human being from Earth, but it refers
to the figure of delusion it turned into. It has ruled the Earth as
a religious cult figure ever since."


Voice of the Aquarian Age.

#51, WUV Strikes Back!

"One can recognize from this that the animal or monster WUV 666
["Weltumweltverschmutzung" - in English: World Environmental Polution]
refers to the consequences generated by a specific human breed, the
humans of the 20th Century who bear the "666" mark uopn their forehead,
so to speak."


Prophecies and Predictions.

Thursday, January 29, 1976, sentence 1-14(Petel)

"It is the Child of evil, the child of destruction, who is a deadly
enemy of knowledge, wisdom, and truth - an enemy of love, peace,
reverence, and harmony. It is the anti-logos in a myraid forms. The
number 666 is the power of evil, for it opposes the truth about
Creation, the truth about the spirit, and the compliance with Crea-
tion's laws and directives. The "IT" is "HE" -and he is embodied as
the powerful who exist in lawlessness, tyranny, and bloodthristiness
within the anti-logos. It is an evil power with deceivtful forces,
miracles, signs, all types of seduction, trickery, lies and deceit
regarding injustice, and false teachings among those who become lost
within the erroneous knowledge of the anti-logos, instead of accepting
the love of truth for their own salvation. The anti-logos is the child
of destruction, evil, confusion, the prowling, lurking, and deadly. It
is the seed of annihilation, the murderer of the truth - 666, the
anit-logos."

LOGOS=reason; that which is logical.


Life in Spiritual and Physical

"Truly, the Earthling has developed and "splendidly advanced" to the
turning point of the approaching year 2000. He has taken himself to
the brink of a deep abyss and placed himself before the fangs of
- the beast of lunacy - driven by false doctrines and religious cults
of malicious degeneration, which brought forth hatred, greed, vice,
misery, lust, and bloodshed."


Joseph, I think if you read the above acouple of times..it will
Soak into your Consciousness...

I think it is well and clearly explained by the Plejarens and Billy.


Maybe the Ones at this board can clearify..themselves with which methode
of numerology they utilizing....?

It seems that there are Divers types of methodes.


Knowledge to you....


Edward.

_______________________________________________________________

Don't hesitate......search!
a friend in america
Shawn
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Elvis
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Hello Shawn,

"...members of this board can clarify which numerology method they are utilizing?" I don't know who the members of the board are. It is the numerology of the Pleadians/Plejarans (spelling?) that is so fascinating. That is where the code is at. I've heard so many that claim to understand numbers on the radio and such. None have a clue in my opinion. They just rip people off who are in contact. This "monitoring" system that you speak of is being used to eavesdrop on people who are in contact. They rip them off, change it ever so slightly and then use it as their own. They don't understand what they rip off in the first place. The end result is that they right books on numbers and numerology that are absolute nonsense and confuse people. And that is alright. Don't believe anything you read or hear about numerology unless you are seeking to understand the Pleadians numbers. They have meaning.
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Elvis
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The Henock (spelling?) prophecies for example mention the number 888 as it refers to 888 years. The number of a man (I think) who came here from another solar system was 819. He became the 19 without the 8 as the 8 was the nose cone of the ship. You will see references to the number 198 in the Pleadian literature. I think it is the same. The story has it that the 8 multiplies itself to become eight 8's. Three of these 8 became the 24. The saying has it, "...the 24 is at the door and he shall mop you off the floor..." Another story has it that this same being or "8" multiplies the 8 by itself to become the 64 which turns around to become the number 46. It becomes the number 416 until the time comes that it looses it's 1 and becomes the 46. In 2004 you add 4 months and 16 days to the date May 13th to get September 29 which is the day of the near miss. I'm not Catholic. But the date May 13 or 5-13 has significance.
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Elvis
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And I would like to just add one further thing to my above post. I certainly don't wish to offend the 646 year old contact of Billy Meier. I don't know who it is I am in contact with sometimes. I don't know if it is friend or foe of the Pleadians. I draw no conclusions. If there is another point of view out there I'd be willing to hear it. I know about projection and don't believe much of what I hear anymore.
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Elvis,

Your last 3 posts appear a bit confusing; I'm not sure what you are trying to say?

In my opinion I don't believe you are in contact with anyone. ET contacts with earth people are quite rare and usually are unheard of.

Whatever type of numerology the Plejarens use is not known to me and I would assume uses some form of cabalistic calculations.

Regards
Scott
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Melli
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Dear Scott,
What do you mean by cabalistic calculations, in the answer to Elvis? Would I then draw a conclusion of some sort and assume that the Plejarens are part of a jewish heritage as we know today? or the other way around? the cabala takes from anywhere where it sounds wholesome amd makes it their own?
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Elvis
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I don't know anything about the cabala. I think from what I hear it may have something to do with the number 22. I'm not into religion anymore. It is impossible to argue with someone who hasn't been there himself and only knows what they read. I will not do that. My comments were mostly directed at those up there as much as they might be directed to anyone in this group here who may be on the inside. If there is anybody here with understanding this would be an appropriate place to speak, even if it is in code.
Actually, I was seeking more of the telepathic kind of communication.
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Phil638
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elvis are you saying that you are telepathic?

phil
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Edward
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Hi Jo jo...

This will be the appropriate place to go further with this subject.

Concerning your comment.

- Edward,

What is the source of your quote of Einstein and Gandhi? Wasn't Einstein
both a Jew and a spirit-form of ET origin? Based on that I wouldn't think
him a believer in the Christ character. -


I am aware that Einstein was of Israeli Jewish descend. He would have than
been an Israeli Jewish Christian. I my self, had once a relationship with
an Israeli Jewish Christian woman. And she identified herself more as
being - Christian -, just as many others do. So this is not something new.
This would eventually be the same with Einstein.

I do not think that Einstein was aware of the meaning - Christos-. Just
like many other (Jewish) Christians: Einstein being mislead/misguided by
"Un-knowingness"(shall not say Ignorant to such a Great Brain...:-)..) of
the facts, as we know today. Thus, he is Human...just like we. Can make
mistakes also - ET format or not. He may have Stagnated concerning the
Christos(Chrestos/Christus) definition, then; in this lifetime, so to
speak.


Destiny just made me open one of my notepad files while strolling through
my achieves and I just opened it, and I thought to post it. I may have
copied it from his Biography search from a web site. I only copied that
contents. Something I forgot about, so to speak; up till now.


Edward.
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Hello from Australia everyone,

Ive just been reading about the Henoch prophecys in nexus magazine over here in oz, ive been keeping an eye on the pleadian situation for a while now and have a question regarding the prophecys.

Im from Australia and I was wondering is there any mention of how we (Australia) and the oceanic region will fit in with the coming world events?

Are we also totally doomed to the oncoming perils if we dont change our ways?
we are in a remote out of the way part of the world and generally progressive in the way we live (fair go for all etc) and very environmental, however we are also very tightly controlled by American interests unfortunately.
Id be very interested in any mention of how we link in with future events if there has been anything said.
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Gaiaguysnet
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Hi Smythstar! And welcome!

We're Aussies too. Check us out @ www.gaiaguys.net. Where are you? There are several of us on this list.

In answer to your question ... put bluntly ... we are all in the same boat, and if the Northern Hemisphere goes, then so do we.

But our collective doom is far from a done deal.

Times are changing and humans are evolving fast.

It's just that the corporate media doesn't reflect that.

Have you read Talmud of Jmmanuel?

Cheers!
Dyson
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Smythstar
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Hey yeah Hi :D
I found your site gaiguys the other night, terrible stuff all that with (name deleted by request of www.gaiaguys.com) and Grahm Kennedy and all, somehow it didnt supprise me though.
Its even more idiodic that the OTO can take you to court because you openly stated and named child molesteres/sacrifices etc to which they freely admit and they try and take your farm.
Absolute insanity.
I saw a refference to you also on conspiracy club that the OTO won the case?
I certainly hope not, if they came to get my place Id hate to think what id do, better however to take the indirect route, step around them, allow them to dig their own hole, the law of cause and effect exists for them as well.
As we say in oz "Every dog has its day"
Good to see Kate Ubergang did a story on you in the "Age" though, im sure ive meet her before, (on a military firing range at Puckapunyal) if im right she has a twin sister and they are both HOT!

Anyway haha im rattleing on, Im from the Sunraysia district, big wine growing area on the NSW/VIC/SA border region.
Whaere abouts are you guys?
Somewhere in the mountains of NSW or QLD by the look of the pic, nice place by the way, fully self sufficient potential there, haha ya dont live in Nimbin do ya?
You guys are lucky, it rains there, we have to irrigate to survive, when/if the big one hits our area will be a dustbowl in a few months :-(
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Smythstar
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Aw sorry didnt see the bottom of your post, Yeah ive got the Talmud here somewhere.
I bought it just before I went backpacking in Europe 2 and a half years ago. (Ive only just got back), Switzerland is absolutely beautifull by the way, the people a bit strange or paraniod or something though?
A couple of guys watched and followed me around Lucerne for over an hour, i guess i look like a typical Aussie surfy though so I stood out a bit.
I read the first half and bolted off to catch a plane, i havent seen it since ive been back?
Did you see the "Insider" stuff that recently came out on that disscussion forum, a lot he/she/it had to say was very similar to what Billy says?
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Phil638
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Hi Dyson,

so do you feel that the worst case senario with WW3 might happen and the northern hemisphere will go or do you think that times are changing and that humans are evolving fast enough in the time thats left to avert this catastrophry from happening? Do you also think the plejarens might step in to help us if humanity is heading straight for it too?

thanks phil
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Gaiaguysnet
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Dear Smythstar,

Please be a very careful about mentioning specific names (of those still living) here that we have not already actually revealed on our site.

We are resigned to being bankrupt for what we laughingly call “the foreseeable future” as we are NOT going to remove the truth from our overseas-hosted site until we can no longer pay the bandwidth costs which are huge and mounting. In short, the first (three) legal actions against us in the Australian Capital Territory Small Claims (Magistrates) Court for defamation were successful by default because we didn’t legitimatise the process by attending. They do a Raymond Hoser number on you, and even if you CAN defend yourself, you are ruined by thousands of dollars in court costs awarded against you by the Freemason judiciary who are secretly sworn to be loyal to the complainants. And they would trash the land (again) while you’re away, etc. We STILL have not got the transcripts from that June hearing we paid for, nor can we establish an adequate correspondence with this A.C.T. court, nor does anyone answer our questions about conflict of interest. The NEXT kangaroo court (Victorian Civil and Administrative Appeals Tribunal, Human Rights Division) is in Melbourne at the end of November for religious vilification and victimization. They do not have jurisdiction outside Victoria, but the rule of law has broken down from the top, and “there is no law but do what thou wilt” is the prevailing paradigm. While typing this, we were interrupted by a process-server who had another hundred pages of summonses for us. We told her she needed a warrant.

We live 700kms north of Sydney and 300kms south of Brisbane about 16kms from the coast, near Grafton, www.gaiaguys.net/location.htm which is another reason why we cannot afford to travel all over the continent trying to legally defend ourselves. Face it. Those with all the money can legally steal it from anyone on a whim. There is no justice. We knew what awaited us when we published the article that originally was put on David Icke’s site, www.gaiaguys.net/victoria.htm but we thought that things like the Victorian Police actually admitting in an officially published transcript of a interview with Dr. Michaelson, that the Melbourne pedophile ring exists but they hope to do nothing, would be enough to light some fires, but the corporate press twisted it all around and made it sound like there a was nothing to it. Such is life on planet Earth in the aftermath of the Bafath’s cruel rule.

Thank you for your words of encouragement. These litigants are faceless people who communicate only through their corrupt courts.

Where do you get off saying that Australians are “… generally progressive in the way we live (fair go for all etc) and very environmental … “? Pig's bum. Have you looked at our site? National Estate “sold” for a dollar an acre?

And who are the “Insiders”?

Salome, Dyson
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Phil638
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Dyson,

why don't you try asking for some donations at your site to take these comment deleted to court? Just explain the situation your in, I guess. There might be someone wealthy out there who might consider helping you out? You never know, I guess.

phil
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Smythstar
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Yeah mate sorry about the name and all, sorta figured the damage was done and the more people that new the better, i also assumed that since they were my words/deductions that you wouldnt be liable.
Id like to help you publicise this injustice against you if I can, ill ask you about this later.
Interestingly the other night on the local news there was a story about a local police officer who was demoted because he proceeded with a child abuse case against a local priest after he was told to drop it by his superiors.
However word has gotten out and now action is allegidly being taken against the senior offices.
There is hope, and I stick by my comments that Australian people are progressive and good, "If" they are aware of the Truth.
We are also lazy and apathetic unless something concernes us directly but make no mistake, if even a small percentage of the population was aware of what is going on they would tear this house to pieces and back you against all odds, no matter what.
Thats why its imperetive to get the word out any way you can, people power will triumph eventually but it will not be easy.
I understand this personally as I was involved in a certain political party that recently did very well but was hounded to extinction by the internationally controlled media and the leader locked up in jail.
The amount of lies and disinformation they flung was simply unbelivable, still got over a million votes though.
The establishment sh_t themselves I can tell you however we could not be allowed power at any cost, for we were the only ones with normal rational "uncontrolled" people in it.
I wish you well and its not over by a long shot read this for something very intersting about those you are in conflict against.
http://www.ezupload.org/?w=download&id=9175&name=REVELATIONS_OF_THE_INSIDER.RTF
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Dear gaiaguysnet

I've read some of the extensive articles that you have written in your website and I must say how brave you and vivienne are in letting the truth out. It's appalling how people like you are few and far between and the just are condemned by the evil and wrongdoers who only know the words selfishness. After reading some of the articles and seeing all the ills that are happening in this country and elsewhere I am inspired or maybe more compelled to help out in any way that I can although I am like the masses who don't really have a voice loud enough to influence people to the extent that I can wake them up to the truth although I can try. Keep up the good work that you are doing, you have my high regards be it just feelings and words, I hope that one day what little I can do for you and billy's mission in my own way could be of some benefit however small it is. Thank you
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Melli
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Dear Figu,
I have a few brief questions if I may:
* Can dolphins and whales communicate telelpathically with humans? and amongst their own?
* What is the Lyrian symbol or word for the number 7 ?
* Where do I go searching to discover my Life Path? I read through the archives and could not find relevant information as astrology/numerology are not the best way to achieve such knowledge, as I understand from Billy's answers.
* What is if any, the connection in the Kabbala and the Plajaren's Universal Mathematics?
Many Thanks to you all Wise Men, as I continue to be fascinated and cannot leave my computer.
Melli
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hi Melli

in the "questions to Billy" section he wrote:

There is no mental communication possible between human beings and animals. Animals don’t have a conscious mental block, but only an instinct block.
The only connection between a human being and an animal is by the personal “radiation” (Ausstrahlung). The animal can feel the attitude one has against it.
Btw: Telepathy is also not possible between human beings and animals.

...................................

about discovering about your life path . . .

in astrology, numerology etc you can find some things (about your personality etc) but never something that "determines" you, each person is absolutely unique so there is no system or group of systems in the entire universe that will tell you with absolute certainty : you are like this, you must do this, you must do that, etc. . .

like everyone else you should walk you own way and discover things by yourself, it is not so hard, simply forget about all the garbage and try find that peace and harmony that exists inside of you. . .

there is something that only you have and makes you special, is like if you walk in a forest and watch the trees, if you only look at them superficially they all will be more or less the same, but if you look more carefully you will see that all are completely different and that is because of their differences that they are beautiful, and that is because that they all coexist that there exist harmony. . .

so like the trees and the mountains, like the rivers or the clouds, so you are, like each bird, like each flower, so you are,

so live your life knowing that no one can replace you, knowing that the meaning of life is in life itself. . .

how can somebody read about a tale that is not already written???

write your own story!!!

that is the beauty and the joy of being alive!!!
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Melli
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Dear Wise men,
Thank you MemoOO for a wonderful response.
I felt really touched by what you wrote. I printed it and I will read it again and again. Your thoughts and my thoughts about observing life around us are the same. I am a very intuitive, extrememly sensitive and very observant and have alot of insights. But nobody really to share them with but I know in my heart that they will soon come. All I have to do is follow my spirit and I am there.....
Can you please, please tell me the Lyrian/ Plajaren symbol for the number 7. There is a purpose as to why I am asking again; I will tell in brief: I have a personal story which I am writing and I feel drawn to it and this number keeps appearing for me. When I am searching for answers I feel compleled to do certain things because I feel like I am given signs. Now don't get me wrong, I am not professing any powers but I do value my intuition my spirit and I trust it dearly as I always did since childhood. My story will eventually hit the web and I know it will create many ripples. For now I feel connected to the number 7 for some reason and the more I read the archives here the more I need to know simply because I need to expand my understanding about the reason and purpose.
Melli
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Edward
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Hi Melli...

Concerning your number "7". I would agree with Memo. It is best to ask Billy in the next round; knowing that you already have posted a question.


Edward.
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Phil638
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just out of curiosity, does anyone know what billy's IQ status would be?

phil
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Cant help but think that a lot of the fluffy lovey dovey new age stuff is complete and utter nonsence with a minimal amount of truth mixed in to hook you, which is basicly common sence or a variation on some older pattern to begin with.
I have the impression that a lot of it is there to distract us from the truth and many of those supposed gurus nothing more than greedy charlitans and part of the overall negative agenda.
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Gaiaguysnet
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Dear friends,

Thank you for your kind words.

Smythstar, you and I are on the same wavelength.

But our experience has been long and bitter, and we no longer think that "if people only knew, they would act."

They largely DO know, but are mostly seemingly frozen in shock or denial. We get millions of visitors to our site, lots of encouraging words, but that's about it. I often wonder why there is never anything about our site on talkback radio, for instance. Seems like the two media are in two different realms.

Phil, your idea is appreciated, but not realistic. In the Golden Age of Knowledge (a.k.a. Information Revolution) the coin of the realm is knowledge, not money. Even astonishigly valuable independent volunteer initiatives like www.wanttoknow.info get almost NO contributions from the degenerate earthlings. And the courts are clearly crooked. Step back and look at our site without getting bogged in the details and you'll see how absurd this all is. Yesterday, the Ordo Templi Orientis used their "legal" right to empty our savings account - bear in mind they are taking our house and land - and they got all 38 dollars. And the bank charged us $13 for the priveledge.

And regarding the .rtf file from the "elite", your 8th posting, Smythstar, summed it up quite well. It's called "DDT" by the spooks. (Decoy, Distract & Trash. Please read www.gaiaguys.net/DP-DDT.htm) The bit about satanic ritual abuse being a hoax was a dead giveaway. I think everyone should spend their time learning the German language and reading the FIGU books instead of anonymous postings on the www.

A good start is Michael Horn's DVD and Guido Moosbrugger's book.

Billy's I.Q.? How many ounces does a whale weigh?

Please see www.gaiaguys.net/Nokodemion.htm


Peace in wisdom,
Dyson
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Eric_drouin
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Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 09:03 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Dyson:

"Do not accomodate your adversaries if you are in the right, and the judge will probably have to decide in you favor"
(Talmud of Jmmanuel 5:25)

They don`t have "enough shovel to bury the truth", Dyson.


Peace
Eric
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Gaiaguysnet
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Hi Eric!

Oh yes! I know my TJ and this was a line that I had thought a lot about, but "The Mysterious Force" (started in the first century AD to counter Jmmanuel's teachings) that became the modern Freemasons wasn't there at the time this line was first written down, and Jmmanuel never knew the Australian Capital Territory's Magistrates Court! :-)

Please see www.gaiaguys.net/Herodesmason.htm

I've NO DOUBT that the truth will indeed prevail in this one, but - as Martin Luther King once said, "I have seen the promised land. I may not get there, but I have SEEN the promised land."

Thanks very much for the encouragement, Eric. It means a lot to us to know that there are some like-minded Earthhumans out there somewhere!

Salome,
Dyson (der Vorausschauende)
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Smythstar
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Yeah are you getting at leading by example?
After all the effort and fight in the battle front of the Australian political farce, piloting a One Nation branch fairly succesfully from 1996 untill the crackdown, and the break down of my 7 year long relationship at the same time I thought screw this sh-t, Im going to live for myself for a while, quit a good job bummed around for a while tieing up my affairs and took of overseas with no plans and no money.
Just leave it all behind and do anything.
Best thing I ever did.
I had to leave the UK after being busted coming through the airport back from Sweden with my visa out of date 2.5 years later and had to do the Harry Holt back home in a rapid fashion.
It was terrible and magnificent at the same time, all the differences, living on the edge, a lot of panic and worry but it was really living.
I wouldnt have it any other way but the people.
Great.
Everyones the same around the world and although many countries I visited had beautiful landscapes or cities or girls, it was nothing compaired to home.
I gradually lost my contempt for Australia, and now I realise that the problem is simply our people are naieve, they havent had it hard enough (most of them live in cities) and therefore naturally expect people to be friendly, do the right thing and be honest.
Thats why insidious forces have had a field day here.
Its no different in the UK Europe or the U.S.A even worse id say, you should see the state of the UK, im so glad I was never born there, what a crap place.

If you told our people these things and even proved it to them they would laugh at you and say "no one could be evil enough to do that" or "that would never happen here" I think our good nature has been used against us.
I cant blame them, id rather live in a good natured world a little naieve than a fearfull place however now is not the time.
This I think is the most dangerouse time in our history and many of us have an inner urgency, we know we have work to do!
Its hard, how do you tell a innocent child there is no santa clause even if its for its own good, let alone having to deal with the backlash afterwards.
All we have to do is direct the energy of what the people already know within themselves.
Its not even hidden anymore what they are doing, I mean how bloody cocky.
Recently a south park episode commented "dont try to be a good man, just be a man" and everything will fall into place, like live it.
I love that crap little show I wonder where they got that comment.
But ive learned not to feel it is all my responsibility to get this out, to change things, just to live my life as I want to and things evolve naturally.
I nearly broke myself trying to push sh-t uphill so to speak and everything is so much easier.
Change and truth emerge naturally, I think sometimes we belive to much of our own propaganda or theirs.
Its not even a long shot, we are going to sh-t it in, there are to many good people in this world to let this terrible stuff eventuate, and ive had the privilage of meeting a few of them.
The reason the agenda is speeding up in a disorganized fashion is I think they know we are changing and becoming more aware much more quickly than they expected.
There is certainly a cat among their pigeons and every push they make works against them, I actually think we will at the end of the day have very little to worry about.
Events will evolve and knowledge will come forth, wise people are around to make sense of it and eventually it will be self evident to all, and mum and dad everage will wonder how they ever belived anything different.
As the world breaks apart, natural disasters increase, power blocks begin acting in illogically aggressive manners people will question their status que reality and seek more truth.
Our job I think is to in a big or small way sculpt this, to be there with something to say, with sensible answers.
I dont think we have to force change, it will occure naturally, as the great religions crumble and the ignorant cast their eyes to the sky for the first time we will be there.
Goodnight mate keep up the good work and dont let your candle burn out, only you can ever do that by the way.
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Eric_drouin
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Hi Dyson:

Without getting too personal, it happened twice during recent years where people very close to me were litterally bullied to court (one case professional retaliation , another case divorce, the latter with the intent of destroying completely my friend). The "adversaries" were very influencial people and very rich (probably member of similar societies as those you denounce).
They were saying "i have no chance against them, i resign, i will commit suicide (yes yes!!)."
I helped convincing them (i think it wasn`t just me, but i certainly helped) to stick to their guns and defend themself with all the energies and alltheir strength (like in nature when say a bear is attacked, it fights back!: law of self defense is a law of creational law)

Well, guess what happened...
they went to court, and ...didn't loose, except for lawyers fees..

(But when they thought about retaliating, well according to creative law, you defend yourself,`"your territory", and stop. Have you ever seen a bear, or i should say a dingo in your case, seeking revenge?)

Those guys that you are denouncing all often close to (or linked to) military or secret services. They know very well how to play psychological war, to destabilize someone psyche by studying their weakness and attack them on their weak spot. By trying to seize your house, they are obviously try to break you on something sensitive for you and your wife (and they want you to shut down your site)
These "services" uses the same technique to say get someone become an informant for their activities. (Enough said ...these guys monitor internet ...)

I think by not showing up the court, you played their game (perhap they know how you would react, hence the current legal action). If you go to court and simply state the fact, the truth and face them, you will be strong. But nobody can lose when stating the truth in court. Do you think they would like to see their case publicized?


Just a comment, the Association of the Essenes TJ chap 35, wasn't already this a secret society? Think about it


I wish your spirit (and your wife`s) give you inspiration and strength.

Eric
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Smythstar
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Is there any possibility you could have made it a media spectical?
I know how hard it is, tonight ive been going through all the old One Nation stuff, the stuff thats still up and all the shreddergate thing, man i cant belive we did it.
It was icredable the amount of injustice we stood up to and made it happen.
Of course the inevitable happened, even the mighty Leonides and his 200 spartans eventually succumbed to the vast Persian army, but they will live for ever.
I almost think the time is right now again to raise the phonex from the ashes.
People have had it again with the laborals, and suddenly realise once again they are high and dry with no freedom or human rights.
Hows the new anti terror laws have you read them?
Insanity.
I just dunno, its so hard, sometimes I think that I live in a nation of idiots, they are just so brainwashed its beyond my comprehension, I honestly dont know how some people manage to survive.
How would Jmmanuel handle this if he were here?
Would he even bother?
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Smythstar
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My god "Dyson" we should become residents of Her Majesties government of Camside!
Check it out man, im sure you have seen this but what a kak.
Hahahahaha this guy is AWESOME!
http://www.principalityofcamside.cc/
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Gaiaguysnet
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Hello everybody,

Thanks for all your interest and suggestions and concerns.

Of course, Dyson and I went into this battle knowing full well what we were up against.
The original material we presented and the subsequent campaign has demonstrated that the institutions which support this elite network of child abuse and torture advocates are every bit as much the problem. And that includes the courts and the media. The protection is relentlessly consistent.

To appreciate how astonishingly (unbelievably) consistent this protection of the offenders is you really need to study the whole mess in detail and, of course, it helps to have the personal experience actually fighting the battle. Anyway, the point is that this corrupt and insane court system is hardly going to find in our favor in the first instance, and this media is not going to report the story in any way which adequately reflects the truth, if at all. This has been demonstrated already. Were this not the case our exposé would never have been necessary. Bits and pieces of truth could come out this way, yes. But bits and pieces in a sea of distortion and falseness is not going to facilitate anything other than a very superficial reaction focused in the wrong direction. If there is a will to bring about justice they don't require our attendance to achieve this. Also it is worth remembering that we are indeed defending ourselves in the forum we have created. We are indeed standing up to them.

(You might be interested in reading or re-reading what Billy said recently about child abuse on planet Earth. www.gaiaguys.net/childabuseearth.htm )

Although losing our much loved land and home is a big price to pay, it is not too big a price for the ability to continue to spread this essential information which would otherwise remain hidden. What a privilege to be able to do this, and how necessary. There are a lot of seeds in this garden which may sprout yet. Others have already sprouted. The potential is there and is worth all we can give it. We can continue to do this now, you see, and at the same time it should become clearer through the oncoming court action that that system is rotten. In addition to our arguments about the unyielding corruption of the courts is the argument that us interacting with that court, and finding some sense in its judgments of the situation, is much like concerning ourselves with the judgment of a mad person. The underlying legislation is mad. The fact that the case has come this far and not been dismissed is mad. The whole premise is mad. Hopefully this will be recognized by onlookers and they will realize that the outcome can only be dangerous nonsense. If this isn't recognized and addressed then this horror will continue.

All the best,

Vivienne (& Dyson)

“It is very rare that one individual succeeds in publicizing themes and truths that clarify causal connections or at the least shed some light on them when they pertain to cult religions or political matters. The existing practice proves that, as a rule, such human beings were unscrupulously persecuted, tortured and murdered. Forces called to the fore appear promptly, knowing how to place the truthful contents of a statement into a dim light. To them any means is justifiable to make truth itself into a travesty. But that is not all, because as soon as anything is published and disseminated that clarifies causal relationships and truths concerning cult religions or political matters, then, the publications are taken out of circulation with the help of clergy, police, government agencies, courts, the powerful of the cult religions and their fanatical followers. The publications are "safeguarded" or destroyed, to continue depriving the earthling of the real truth, letting him starve and perish woefully in his misery of false thinking and false teachings, because only in so doing can he be further exploited to his last drop of blood, particularly by governments and cult religions.” BEAM intro to TJ
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Consolato
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Hi Gaiaguysnet and all,

I found out about billy and this website through your Gaiaguysnet website and I would like to thank you both(Vivienne & Dyson) very much for it. I would also like to thank you both very much for what you are both doing in australia with those pedophiles. I'm an australian also and I was utterly shocked when finding out that this sickening activity was going on in my country by well known prominent and celebrity people. Once again Vivienne & Dyson, I would like to thank you both very much for enlightening me on both matters through your excellent Gaiaguysnet website. Thank you.

Consolato
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Gaiaguysnet
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Hi Consolato,

Thanks very much for the feedback and encouragement.

Vivienne and Dyson
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Melli
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Hello Scott,
If I am at the wrong place, forgive me for I have given up searching for the right place where I could post this message to you.

Reading through the archives I came across an older posting you made dating back to June 4th, 2002 regarding "Consciousness Projection" into the future. I would like to share with you my experiences and so I will start from the end...
I can only remember these projection immediately upon waking up; I can see myself in certain places and I literally feel great. But the concepts and situations I see, disappear too quickly for me to remember in my full conscious awakening state and so I fail to write them down for future verification. But I have a feeling of happiness and some sort of accomplishment, like a job well done or an event that went well.
Then all is forgotten until...one day when I find myself in the same situation as I was when I was Projecting. It is as if, I already know. Only when I am in a certain place at a cetain moment in time, I suddenly recall the past and everything I see is a vision and a concept, never a dialogue.
This ususally happens before I go on holidays or visit special places. The last amazing occurance was when I was on my way to a seminar in Hawaii: as I was being driven for the first time in my conscious awarness to this house, coming around a corner I knew what was ahead, I had a feeling of familiarity with the place, like the surrounding nature, the house, the driveway, the artifacts hanging above the front door, specific decoration in a specific room and its purpose, were all known to me, I felt like I have been here before. Another time, in a group meditation, I opened my eyes and at first sight I saw a specific window on a specific wall in the house, a window which could resemble a portable. It felt strange but comfortable.
On another occaission when I travelled to Europe, I found myself sitting outside a friend's house, in a specific armchair, looking into the night and seeing exactly what I saw previously in my "travels". I smiled because it felt familiar and comfortable to be "here" again.
I cannot explain it but I sense that maybe I create my own journeys, my own future and I wish it would happen more often.
Would this mean that I am 'higher' on the evolutionary path?
Also another issue in brief; I posted a question to Billy in the last round, asking "what is the significance of cellular memory", and why does it happen to certain people? I believe that I have one such memory and I need to understand this memory that was created while I was in utero. What significance does the memory carry from the past? Could it be a warning? Is my spirit showing me a message on my way to human evolution?
This image that I remember quite vividly, is since I was maybe 5 or 6 years old, and it has never left me. In my younger years I remember being freightened thinking about it and so I consciously forgot about it for a while, until some years ago when it suddenly reappeared in my consciousness. Today I am not afraid of the image but I cannot look at a certain type of food, for I feel repelled when I see the resemblance in my mind.
Any wisdom would be greatly appreciated.
NAMESTE, Melli
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Scott
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Hi Melli,

I haven't located the post you are referring to. Everyone to my knowledge creates their own destiny or future. As I understand it, this is done on a subconscious level for the most part until we gain more conscious control of our thought processes.

To be honest I don't think many of us including myself are too high on the evolutionary path, or we wouldn't be here. It's kind of tricky business for anyone to consider themselves more evolved than someone else, because there are always areas where we are a bit more knowledgeable, but other areas where we are completely void of any cognition regarding a given field of knowledge. To begin to think we are more evolved or higher than another, in my opinion, is to hide from others our own imperfections. You really have to ask yourself how much do you really know, versus how much do you think you know?

Recently it was brought to my attention one of the Commandments in the Decalouge (8th) which states "You shall not bear false witness against the Truth, Creation and Life" This in essence states you must always be truthful with yourself and what you know. If we pretend or think we know something, but we really don't know it, then in effect we are bearing false witness against what is truthful. What is also interesting about this, is the more we learn about what the truth is about something, the more we discover that there is so much more to learn in regards to what we thought we knew. Many times our understanding is quite limited in regards to what we think we know.

My 2 cents…….

Regards
Scott
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Der_beobachter
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Hello My good FIGU FRIENDS and FRIENDS of REAL CREATIONAL TRUTH.

"AS ABOVE, SO BELOW..."
Deus ist Demon Inversus...(see note below...)
"ORDO AB CHAOS"
"V.I.T.R.I.O.L"

So be IT!

I think I guessed about what THE EGYPTIAN BOOK OF THE DEAD MEANS....Sun you will know what the TIBETAN BOOK OF THE DEADS means...

Study these 2 books too I think it has something to do with ANCIENT PROPHECIES... you know what I am talking about HADES, GEHENA, SHE'OL, HELL... I think these books are related to these books...

Funny thing is that when I read these books...the images that come to my mind are the same ones very very similar to that Movie a great and famous movie all children of planet knows about and many have watched it at the Cinemas all over the world the name of the movie is ROGER RABBIT and also IRON MAIDEN evil creets...man the dream seemed so damn "god" real I started to laugh...some kind of Dreamland where some guys were playing the Didgeridoo...this thing I did not understand...funny thing...What´s UP DOC??
Well for you to have a nice idea what my dream was about take a look at this image here...
But please not these things were very smelly..I even could feel the smell..a mixing of Diesel Oil, Chemicals and rotten bodies, but billions of deatn bodies... man!!! what a bad smell that makes you puke all day long. I also saw King Midas there... what a guy who - accordingly to the legend - was able to transform a stone in gold, an apple in gold, water in gold...How could a man with such a power live in so Hellish and Ugly and Smelly place??? I wonder...

SEE IMAGE of "Afterdeath Realms" HERE:
http://wezel4.tripod.com/images/eddiepicture.jpg

Another one is here:
Funny thing is that one of these guys told me he was Saint Germain. Take a good look here:
http://metalinjection.net/wallpaper/fan_maiden.jpg
I think it better start to pray to your gods... because if HELL is like 3D this man...then I want to go to Heavens...because I´ve been a nasty guy all the time...


You can download the EGYPTIAN BOOK OF THE DEAD and THE TIBETAN BOOK OF THE DEAD for free right here:
http://www.flickfilosopher.com/flickfilos/archive/002q/rogerrabbit.shtml


Note about latin words Deus ist Demon Inversus

Q’lippoth: Spiritual Theosophical Dictionary on Q’lippoth
This note was found here:
Enter here Sir or Madam please:
http://www.crystalinks.com/pleiades.html


Q’lippoth (Hebrew, Jewish), or Klippoth. The world of Demons or Shells; the same as the Aseeyatic World, called also Olam Klippoth. It is the residence of Samael, the Prince of Darkness in the Kabbalistic allegories.


But note what we read in the Zohar (ii.43a) "For the service of the Angelic World, the Holy. . . . made Samael and his legions, i.e., the world of action, who are as it were the clouds to be used (by the higher or upper Spirits, our Egos) to ride upon in their descent to the earth, and serve, as it were, for their horses". This, in conjunction with the fact that Q’lippoth contains the matter of which stars, planets, and even men are made, shows that Samael with his legions is simply chaotic, turbulent matter, which is used in its finer state by spirits to robe themselves in.


This ARTICLE was foud here:
http://impact.arc.nasa.gov/
For speaking of the "vesture" or form (rupa) of the incarnating Egos, it is said in the Occult Catechism that they, the Manasaputras or Sons of Wisdom, use for the consolidation of their forms, in order to descend into lower spheres, the dregs of Swabhavat, or that plastic matter which is throughout Space, in other words, primordial ilus. And these dregs are what the Egyptians have called Typhon and modern Europeans Satan, Samael, etc., etc. Deus est Demon inversus - the Demon is the lining of God.


Saalam/Shalom on Earth and to Every Human Being and to Every Creature.

EACH ONE MAKES THE WOLRD ONE WISHES...
SO BE IT!

This text is best read with BACKGROUND SOUND
The one I am listenig right now is
Bob Dylan´s KNOCKING ON HEAVEN´S DOOR.
and Let the River Run (Jerusalem) from Carly Simon
If you have the CD listen to it.

Lala kahle [Sleep well]

In the jungle, the mighty jungle
The lion sleeps tonight
In the jungle, the mighty jungle
The lion sleeps tonight

(Chorus)
Imbube

Ingonyama ifile [The lion's in peace]
Ingonyama ilele [The lion sleeps]
Thula [Hush]

Near the village, the peaceful village
The lion sleeps tonight
Near the village, the peaceful village
The lion sleeps tonight

Nkosi sikelel' iAfrika
Maluphakanyisw' uphondo lwayo,
Yizwa imithandazo yethu,
Nkosi sikelela, thina lusapho lwayo.

Morena boloka setjhaba sa heso,
O fedise dintwa la matshwenyeho,
O se boloke, O se boloke setjhaba sa heso,
Setjhaba sa South Afrika - South Afrika.
Der Beobachter Edelweiß
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Tjames
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Hello Everyone,

New Confirmation of Meier's astromical facts?

Two new moons found around Pluto

Last Updated: Tuesday, 1 November 2005, 14:01 GMT

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4396546.stm

"The Hubble Space Telescope has spotted two possible new moons around Pluto, the ninth planet in the Solar System."

"If confirmed, it would bring Pluto's tally of satellites to three; Charon, the only known moon of Pluto, was discovered by astronomers in 1978."

Saalome,
Tim
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Consolato
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I wonder if the france muslim riots will have anything to do with the prophecy that says that france will fall to islam one day if it ever happens?

con
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Michael
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Consolato,

See the November newsletter at www.theyfly.com, click on Latest News.

MH
Michael Horn
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Tam2105
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Hi Consolato,

You might want to read the November newsletter on Michael Horn's site www.theyfly.com

It talks about what's going on in Paris and many other enlightening issues too.

Tammy
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Edward
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Hi Con...


Yes, Billy and de Plejarans did describe such an upheaval in France.
But I would think what Billy and the Plejarans described would be more
when the Third World War is at its full capacity in being.

Now at the moment there seems to rioting in some 10-12 outside suburban's
of France, alas to say. The ages variate from 14 to the mid 20ties, thus
as you can notice, these are Still KIDS..generating unrest because of an
incident of the police trying to catch 2 youths but alas ended with their
deaths, as is said, and/but denied. So, the link is not binding as of yet.

But is seems to be well organized via the internet, as what I last
absorbed from the news broadcasts; just as the Soccer Hooligans do.

So, seeing that this is more of a Youths criminal acts of violence and not
an Islam Heavy Weaponry War(even though some shots may have been fired??),
hopefully...this is just an incident concerning the "Neglect" by the
French government in not letting the suburban youths (and adults) take
part in the French society, as it should.

The French government worry more about their (BLOODY) economics, and that
the French can have more Children - thus, Receive some 500-900 euros
monthly for the first child, and double it on any second and third child
that is born - ! And this is very very "Awkward", instead of the
government "INVESTING" in the Unemployed Youths(majority Islamic) which
can just be as capable of generating the same qualities for the needed
state of the economics. Than to let our planet be "OVERPOPULATED" once
again and be rewarded also. Just pitiful, to just even...think about it!!

Thus, in short: The French government would rather give money to The
Children Of The Economics, than to Those In Need!! I mean, Those In
Need...ARE THERE. Invest in THEM...and your (BLOODY) economics will grow,
as they want it to. So, as you can notice: The French government has put
the Weight of this scenario on their shoulder...but themselves. THEY are
to blame..which generated the alas Negative Effect we see today.

Again, hopefully, this all is Not Prophecy related??

The Kids are just in unrest because of the NEGLECT of the French
government whom does not Directly Involve the youths into the appropriate
programs and projects...etc...and thus, give them no chance in Truly
Integrating into the French society. And thus, here from is generated -
Modern Time Reservations - of these Neglected suburban's and it's Peoples!

This is NOT the first time of such upheaval by youths. This manner of
Protesting has happened in that past too, but this time in a much greater
scale!! Thus, THEY ARE VERY VERY SERIOUS!!! The Neglect by the French
government has been Too Extensive(just like in many other countries)!!

And now...it has gotten so far, that this was "The Drop Of Water...That
Made The Bucket...Overflow!!" And, the government "Bumped It's
Head...Because It Did Not Listen To What Was Said!!" And "Who Does Not
Want To Listen...Will Have To Experience!!"

The Values of Century Old Sayings are...very very Simple and Important,
Not?

Simple definitions, but Direct and with Hard Factual Impact!

Need we say, More??


Edward.
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Consolato
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thanks for kindly directing me there michael and tammy. I found reading it all extremely interesting, some parts scary and some parts comforting too. The comeforting part was in relation to this cut and paste of the prophecies here which talks about outside extraterrestial help to stop humanity from completely annililating itself -


“And at this time, the possibility could become reality that extraterrestrial forces intervene against the Western industrialized countries, because these will be responsible for the extreme and enormous disaster of the coming evil times. These extraterrestrial forces will give up their anonymity and their state of secrecy and will assist those who are being terrorized by the irresponsibly acting Western countries, should this possibility become reality…” Could this relate to what Jmmanuel said in 25:33, "If at that time powerful people did not appear as did the celestial sons long ago, in order to stop the uninhibited delusion and the deadly activities of the erring dictators, truly, I am telling you: No human being would survive…”?

Con
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Markc
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Hi Edward and Consolato ;

It's good to hear the European view on the matter , since you are closer to France , and more informed on a consistent basis about the region. There is no love in keeping a generation of people as outsiders ; and therefore no love in trying to generate new children of the preferred nationals to bolster the economy . The attitudes , as always tear things apart .

The ET's who appear in our near future are no doubt the Sirius authority , as mentioned in 'And Still they fly' .

Mark
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Consolato
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thanks edward and mark.

why don't the secret service agents of the world contact billy meier directly to ask him questions like billy asks them to do instead of them all bugging and earsdropping on billy?

Con
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Peter_brodowski
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hey consolato,

the secret service and all the rest are the ones trying to put billy down for the count, they are not the knights in shinning armor as portrayed on t.v. (men in black, idependance day etc)
infact, if you speak your opinions about the secret service loud enough, they tend to respond... and depending on what you say about them, the response may be warm and kind, or cold and heartless.
and if i recall correctly, i think billy mentioned that those people trying to mess with him actually post, or used to post on this forum. but im not 100% sure on that.
the good news is i cant see the secret service and army getting even a step ahead of billy, and the fact that they rely or atleast are quite interested in what billy says, means that they will always be out of the so called "loop".
that must tick them off, i would think.

and, hey mark...
can you tell me a little about the sirius authority, are they of a negative stance towards us earth humans or a positive. thanks.
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Markc
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I don't know Con , it's probably a secret . But it must be like the old british spy comedies ( or were they being serious ? it's hard to tell) , where they would always do things the hard way , taking 10 steps to every 1 step needed.

Mark
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Eric_drouin
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Hi Consolato:

These "wicked mind" secret services do what they are doing to anyone that represent a threat to the people in authority: collect information, both directly (my own guess is they probably do it) and tapping their phone, internet and the like for their superiors.

All things considered, i think now anyone who is slamming FIGU on the internet may be connected to those organizations, in an attempt to keep Billy marginal, but still collecting the FIGU bulletin, translating them and sending them to their autorities.

Don`t forget these guys claimed that Saddam possessed nuclear programs when the whole world saw that merely possessed some "Spic & Span".

You will recognize them by their fruits.
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Norm
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France is getting payback for importing too many people to do their low wage work. This will happen all over the world as long as the poor 3rd world Gov'ts try to push their poor out & the 1st world Gov'ts continue to take them in, with this false humanitarian lie. Then they use these people as low wage slaves. I don't see any end in sight. The rich want to stay rich & will continue to use poor people as low wage slaves.
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I just couldn't resist :-)

Time Cover
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Ascension
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I dont think that france deserves the riots its dealing with, that would suggest that the riots are just and good, wich thy are obviously not. This is the unrest that the Henoch prophecies say will conquer France from within. These riots are not what will topple France yet, but I strongly believe that this is going to be a very serious and escilating problem wich will end up as a revolution by the Muslums.
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Consolato
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NEWS YOU WON'T FIND ON CNN

MUST SEE - Excellent Italian Film Exposing American Slaughter at Fallujah

watch in opening window

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10907.htm

shocking

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Consolato
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this goes with the above post -


"US forces 'used chemical weapons' during assault on city of Fallujah"

By Peter Popham
Published: 08 November 2005

"Powerful new evidence emerged yesterday that the United States dropped massive quantities of white phosphorus on the Iraqi city of Fallujah during the attack on the city in November 2004, killing insurgents and civilians with the appalling burns that are the signature of this weapon."

Con
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Phil638
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that italian video is definately a MUST SEE.

I can't believe how the U.S. blatantly thinks and acts like its above the united nations and also how the U.S. just does everything (evil acts) out in the open too.

The henoch prophecies were SPOT ON when they said that the U.S. will know no limits.

phil
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Consolato
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I just noticed that weblink I posted to that italian video above now needs to be downloaded for some reason. Here is a weblink to that video where you can watch it directly -

http://novakeo.com/?p=315

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Edward
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Hi Ascension...

Very true.

We must still keep in mind, that the Henoch Prophecies can ALWAYS be -
Altered - or even.. - Postponed - to eventually occur some years later, or
even be Eliminated from further happening in the future!! It is all Up To
MAN..and his Ways Of Thinking!!

So, the Henoch Prophecies are Alterable events.

But of course, there may always be HINTS from the Henoch Prophecies which
will Direct MAN....into his Positive appropriate Direction(s) and thus, to
Generate the appropriate - Out Come, or Effect...from a Cause...which can
have Benefits...for BOTH Parties involved. And thus Create Harmony for
Both.

And thus, if the government of France(just as any other world government)
does not make Proper utilization of their Positive Possibilities, they will
only generate that the events mentioned in the Henoch Prophecies, to become
a Reality, alas to say. But again: This Need NOT happen!!

If the French government does not generate the proper solution(s) to their
today's problematic's, they will surely have generated a "Conductor"...so
to speak, into making a problem into a much greater menace. It is up to
them to find/generate a solution which will "Stand" for France itself and
all Peoples within its borders.

Thus, the problematic's we see today in France, does not have to be a
Breeding ground for any radical group what so ever.

We must keep in mind: That a government Reflects itself on it's People.
And if the People(or any minority-whom ever) is in Unrest and in Upheaval,
well, "Common Sense and Logic" tells me...THEY...The Government, is Truly
Doing Something WRONG! And so, THEY will Contribute to the Prophecies also,
alas to say!!

Thus, again: It is up to the government, and HOW they handle the
situation(s). Hopefully, they will take a more Positive stance and
approach? And Not Make A Baby Cub...Into A Lion, so to speak. If they do
not utilize: Common Sense, Logic and Reason, than they will surely Create a
Lion that will not be The King Of Beasts, But...The King Of France!!
And so, The Lion has found his den.


BTW: when the French government is investing in The Children/Babies Of The
Economics, than THEY are truly...Kicking Themselves In Their Own Shin, as
they say. In other words: They're Pulling Their OWN Legs!!!


Edward.
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Kingman
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Amazingly the US military in one of it's service magazines admits their use of the illegal weapons. While at the same time the Defense Department denies all of it. The continuos control of information by this US admin. is unravelling.

The wagons should begin circling soon.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Consolato
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hi shawn,

your right, the continuos control of information by the US admin. is unravelling. The brittish politician talking at the end of that video states that the U.S. Defense Department admitted to using a similar chemical weapon to napalm on the people in falluja, iraq. I liked how she went on to say that its only a matter of time before bush is going to be held accountable for committing the international illegal crime of using chemical weapons on the people of falluja. The fact that it was being indiscriminately committed on innocent people makes it all the more far worse. I surely hope that it does happen to bush and happens while he's still in office too.

Con
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Kingman
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Radio interview's on the way!!

The person with the poise and indepth knowledge of Billy's ordeal, Michael Horn, has been booked to interview on several radio programs due to the prediction Billy gave about the French incidents. He's always entertaining and most importantly, able to respond to the hard questions when the debunkers attempt to discredit and confuse what is clearly a mountain of proven evidence. Looks as though a couple of the announcers previous objections to Michael being able to discuss Billy's story are finding a reason now. The ramifications are astounding if they follow through will their requests.

This seems to be some good that will come out of the rioting that is out of control.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Kingman
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Here's the dates and times:

Saturday, November 12, from 2:00 - 3:00 p.m. (PST) on http://www.talksport.net with host Duncan Barkes in the UK.

Saturday, November 12, 11:00 p.m. - 2:00 a.m. (PST) http://www.coasttocoastam.com with host Ian Punnett (heard at KFI 640 AM in Los Angeles).

Monday, November 14, at 12:30 – 1:00 p.m. PST on http://www.coopradio.org from Vancouver with host Alfred Lambremont Webre, JD, MEd.

Cut to the Chase, with host Marshall Masters, at http://yowusa.com (time and day to be announced).

Thursday, November 15, (time to be announced) on the Michael Medved show on
http://krla870.com. This appearance was graciously arranged by the producer, Dan Sytman, despite past differences of opinion. Thanks are extended to Dan for this courtesy.

Michael will make a multi-media presentation on the Meier case at MUFON Orange County, on Friday, December 14, at 7:30 p.m. The presentation will also include a question and answer session. Details will be available soon at http://www.mufonoc.orgindex2.htm. MUFON, which has for decades been officially hostile to the Meier case, is also thanked for inviting Michael to make this presentation.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Peter_brodowski
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hello
i was wondering if anyone here knows or heard anything about a race of people either from outside earth or from somewhere on earth who have big round eyes and dark skin, and the skin looks like it's all bumpy or rough, as if covered in some kind of small bumbs and lumps, and having a small round noses?
also the same goes for a type of craft that from the front looks roughly the shape of that craft from "the navigator" (movie from the 80's).
but it is coloured purple-ish/pink with lights trailing around the ridges of the hull. it also looks translucent and has what appears to be nerve or vein looking structures on/in it.

also has billy given any information on e.t. craft or earth based craft that use blue beams of light (projected at the head of an individual)
?

thanks.
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Consolato
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American Evolution poll results

Scripps Howard News Service
November 15, 2005

- The following are excerpts from a survey of 1,005 adult residents of the United States conducted Oct. 9-23 by the Scripps Survey Research Center at Ohio University.

People were simply asked to chose one of these below which they felt was true.

Humans Evolved Naturally ........ 23 percent

God Caused Humans to Evolve ..... 17

God Created Humans in Six Days .. 54

Don't Know ....................... 6


A very disturburting result if you ask me.

Con
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Consolato
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I just come across this and thought I'd post it as its astonishing information.

"The 1971 flowchart makes it perfectly clear, the design, intent and purpose of the U.S. Special Virus program. As Dr. Peter Piot, Executive Director of UNAIDS says, the HIV/AIDS virus is the result of many steps in the laboratory, it was no accident.

The 1971 flowchart provides absolute evidence of the United States' intent to kill its own citizens and others."

http://www.boydgraves.com/

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Kingman
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Hi Con,
In this poll you seem to insinuate (I think this is why you highlight it) the current state of man's knowledge/belief as being off the mark. Your right in your conclusion. No we didn't evolve from a completely natural method. Yes, it can be said that " God " did have a hand in our evolution. But not the " God " in the traditional sense. And as for the last choice, you need to understand what is meant by " six days ". Much of what was attempted to be explained by the Bibles passages was in a metaphorical form, This is not meant to be in a strict sense. If you consider the age of the planet and the period that man began appearing, you could decipher the meaning as the general expanse of time that was required to allow the Earth to cool and primates to emerge .

OK, how do we know that the largest percentage of responders really knew that the bible's answers were framed in this so called metaphorical answer. We can't. And it is just by chance that their answer is more right than wrong. This metaphorical style of explaining was needed to help humans, who, back then, were less educated and needed examples that could be transfered easily between each other. In other words , language of that time. These are myth's of our past that simple people can pass along in the storytelling.

The poll viewed through the eyes of a member of this forum will result in a different conclusion than say a Christian site.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Mgilbo1
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Consolato,

I wouldn't agree with that poll. It depends on what part of the country you were dealing with. If it was done in the southern states, I would agree. If in the North, I would tend to disagree. I also think you would find similar numbers in most European states, South America, Africa & Asia as well. There are just too many factors that can skew the outcome such as age, social status, education etc..

As for the Aids virus, I believe that Billy has already mentioned how it came about. Now that doens't mean the U.S. hasn't taken it one step further. It wouldn't surprise me if they did.

Mark
U.S.
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Eric_drouin
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Hi Copnsolato:

I am not surprised wih the results of the poll.

Just listen to the politicians, the artist, the singers, the actors, etc ... in the US, there is a constant reference to God, the Bible, Jesus that blessed their country, etc...
I don`t think in Northern Europe you have this.

Since a lot of people move around in the US (due to work transfer, study, etc ..), very often it is only through the churches that people gets a social life, friends, or a sense of community.
(specially in the "Bible belt" states)

Regarding Aids, very sound logical explanation is provided in the booklet "49 questions": question 42:

"... epidemics could develop through joining of various active agents unique to simian life forms capable of merging with human being beigns by way of disgusting, sodomistic sexual acts of some men..."

Again, like for Hurricanes, conspirational theories are just `reason` to avoid admitting our own responsbility, in this case disgusting degenerated sexual behavior. Since similar behavior is allowed and often protected by authorities (see gaiaguys.net about pedophiles network to convince yourself), don`t expect them to admit this.


Salome
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Melli
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I just finished reading a fantastic little book called "Star Wisdom". I felt like I should buy at least one hundred of them and give them away to my good friends, but then I remembered what was said about 'letting people find thier own way', and it saddened me to realize once again, how people are so closed minded and such naive followers'. When I find something amazing and beneficial I feel like I want to share it with the world, but...sadly and ironically this should not be done. I am learning to keep my acquired knowledge to myself and constantly search for like minded people to share the wisdom with. To be frank it is very frustrating and even demoralizing. But as I always say... if there is a will... there is a way!
Does anyone live in Melbourne, Australia?
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Consolato
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hi melli,

I'm glad to hear that your opinion about that star wisdom book was good because I just finished reading "and still they fly" book and now am about to start reading "star wisdom".
I live in Melbourne, Australia too.

Con
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Newinitiation
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Dear melli

Wow I didn't think there were any people living in Melbourne who was on this forum. Good to get to know you.
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James
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Hi guys,
I also live in Melbourne. I've recently ordered "And Still They Fly" and waiting for it to arive. I've listened to a copy of the contact notes on audio tape by Randolf Winters. Of course I listen critically since I found out Mr. Winters is not in FIGU's good books.

I wan't to read the OM but I don't speak German. I would like to learn as soon as my school year finishes. Are there any audio courses you recommend? I believe Billy writes in an older German...
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Melli
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Con,
Isn't it funny how people can come together?
Shall we talk? I live in Nth. Caulfield
Melli.
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Tjames
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Hey James,
Nice to meet you,

I purchased OM and other books from the Swiss countryside bout 2 months ago and before I did I asked Dyson at Gaiaguys.net about translations and what have you. Firstly, I have just started learning German and am taking a course at a school currently a total of 4.
Dyson said standard German will do fine (and you need not worry about the 2005 alteration of the German language) for the books, however, for some of the spiritual terms, some of which there are no translations for in English, and the rest of the spirit terms and other oddies can only be "tackled" as he put it by an "Archaic" German/English Dictionary. My grandfather has one and I'm getting it off him hopefully soon. Get one along with many others. I believe Dyson & Viviene have like 7+. I've been advised to get as many as you can to gather the most equivalent translation.

I have not bought any audio courses, but, I have heard the name Pimslur quite a bit. Maybe it'll help ya out!!

By the way I heard Randy's files about to 17 and I couldn't bare it alongside the induction of material published by rational thinkers like Horn, Meier and Moosbrugger, others too.

Good Luck,

Saalome,
Tim
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Newinitiation
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Dear all
Whats this a melbournean get together? It's fantastic, it's great to see that the people down under the down under is at the forefront of something as radical as this.
I recommend not being too specific over a public forum. we will just exchange our E-mail address.
what's your email address?
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Consolato
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yeah sure melli,

I live in oakliegh.

consolato1@hotmail.com
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James
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Thank you Tjames for the info. Its nice to see some locals on these boards. I'm usually just lurking around these forums trying to get a question in to Billy Meier. Isn't it taking a long time for this round to Q's to be answered?

I'm really happy to have found the teachings. I know that as long as I keep searching for the truth, life can only get better!

Hi James,

The questions have already been prepared for Billy's response, they should be ready fairly soon.
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Consolato
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I remember reading somewhere about ten years ago now that albert einstien once said that his just discovered something that man isn't ready to hear about it yet. Does anyone know what he meant by that? I also noticed it was mentioned in one of the past threads here on this forum that einstien was supposed to be a genuine ufo contactee too. Could this have been what einstien was reffering to when he said that statement, that it was extraterrestials and that we are not alone in the universe?

Con
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Newinitiation
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Hi dear forum members

I wondered after reading the articles presented by CSETI's dr greer that from any rational minded individual, if they had searched and have done enough thorough enquiries on billy's materials, so plainly and easily obtainable for which even the members of CSETI and other ufologists would have at least investigated, that by shunning it completely and dismissing from CSETI both vivienne and dyson from their rightful positions that there may be an element of conspiracy for which I cannot help but conclude, although I may be wrong that-

1) Dr greer & CSETI is an agent of some secret organisation involved in a conspiracy- CSETI being used as a vehicle for the secret governmental agenda along with other ufologists to prepare the masses to the knowledge of the existence of ETs.

2)For whats to come the masses are slowly being inundated with trickle by trickle of information to lessen the impact on society, politics, economy, religion, psychological health of people etc.

3) Knowing full well, the secret organisations by having created the countermeasure to those organisations they support behind the scene along with others that they don't, who propagate the information regarding ETs, by having certain ufologists on their payroles they directly influence by the forces that these people create a time lag in which people can become aquainted with the truth, bidding their time and using all available means including unleashing the weapons of mass cultural ridicule instigated through propagating certain paradigm about UFO matters to effectively drown out the truths to this matter.

4)When the truth finally dawns the people in position of power in the present would have all passed away and the responsibility to tell the truth about why the governments lied falls on the coming generations to deal with. Knowing things change and the truth will eventually come out, they can at least control to some extent the information and how it'll reach the public thus setting up via dr greer CSETI and prolonging more humanity to wait for the truth to finally reach them.

5)Because it seems so contradictory as to why the hell would the secret organisation set up a legitimate organization such as CSETI to inform the public with it's credible informants if it works against their own agendas to withold information from the general public the question has to be asked 'What is their goal and scheme?
Put simply there exists various countries other than USA that possess crashed ET crafts, so there must exist so much competing interests, for what is at stake is nothing less than the whole world with possessing this technology and by improving it.

6) CSETI may well be a very legitimate organization with altruistic motives but knowing the great powers of these secret organizations's, the members may well have been threatened with extinction if they touched as much as a single strand of hair from billy's materials let alone have any connection with FIGU.

7) Dr greer may be a very ambitious person driven by his inflated ego to want to make a mark for himself regarding this matter and through his hidden motives and agendas, his desire to become the person at the forefront of proclaiming to the world the news about the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence would more than motivate him to shun billy's contacts.

peace be with you
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Dplotmach
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Hello

Yesterday I published my own website called "FreeSpirit". I would appreciate it if you took a look at it, and gave me some comments in my guestbook or a reply to this post. The website is far from finished, so don't be dissapointed if you do not find so much. It's just a little project of mine. www.freewebs.com/haavardro
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Melli
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Could somebody please explain what actually happens in the mind and in the body while one is a meditative state, from a psychological perspective and through holistic understanding?
The two times I meditated in a large group, I had instantly vanishing images each time. Thinking about these images now and again, feels like these are comfortably resisidng in my body.
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Consolato
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Iran's leader wants U.S. tried on war crimes charges.

Tehran, Iran -- Iran's hard-line president said Saturday the Bush administration should be tried on war crimes charges, and he denounced the West for pressuring Iran to curb its controversial nuclear program.

"You, who have used nuclear weapons against innocent people, who have used uranium ordanance in Iraq, should be tried as war criminals in courts," Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said, in an apparent reference to the United States, during a nationally televised ceremony marking the 36th anniversary of the establishment of Iran's volunteer Basij paramilitary force. Since the Iraq war started in 2003, American forces have fired at least 120 tons of shells packed with depleted uranium, an extremely dense material used by the U.S. and British militaries to penetrate tank armor. Once fired, the shells melt, vaporize and turn to dust.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051127/NEWS06/511270523/1012/NEWS06


I think its sick how everyone else in the world follows the UN laws except the U.S. I can't stand how the U.S. honestly believes its above the UN. I also don't especially like how the U.S. always likes to dictate to the world about their rights in past happenings whenever they felt they weren't being fully obeyed.

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Consolato
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North Korea compares George W. Bush to Hitler.

AP , SEOUL
Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005,Page 4

North Korea denounced US President George W. Bush as a "wicked man" comparable to Adolf Hitler, and labeled his advocating democracy a pretext for invading other countries.
"The US admonition for `freedom' and `democracy' is to invent pretexts for violating [the] sovereignty of other countries and nations and establishing its unchallenged domination over the world," the North's official Korean Central News Agency (KNCA) wrote on late Monday.

KCNA called Bush a "warlike president" who "took the lead in advocating state-sponsored terrorism" and "openly defended murderous torture in prisons" -- which it claimed were reminiscent of the Auschwitz concentration camp.

KNCA wrote: "History proves that the ringleaders of fascism that stood stern trials for their crimes against humanity advocated `freedom' and `democracy' more noisily than any others."

"This will only more glaringly reveal his true colors as a wicked man whom the world compares to fascist fanatic Hitler," it said.

Its fears grew after the US invaded Iraq, and Pyongyang has claimed it was compelled to build nuclear weapons for self-defense.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2005/11/23/2003281370

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Hi Newinitiation:

Very good observations about Greer. And plausible.

Another cause I think is due to religious belief that is still deeply rooted in too many people, for instance in USA, preventing them to even consider the FIGU material. The statement from Billy on religions repulse them so much that they feel insulted and reject it upfront, instead of trying to know more about it.

Or maybe those shadowy organizations with great powers that you suspect are linked to religions and their intrigues.

It may be very difficult for some people to accept they have been wrong all their life, and that for generations (over 2000 years!) we have been so misled.


Peace.
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Newinitiation
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dear forum members

There is a long drawn out case involving an australian citizen named van nuen who is going to be executed on friday 2/12/05 around 9am EST in singapore for smuggling nearly 400 grams of heroin into that country.
So many implications will result from this case or none at all. The punishment doesn't fit the crime although I vehemently abhor what he has done I still feel for this poor bloke and he doesn't deserve to be hanged especially considering his age of just 25 years.
See the problem with all this is that how can you explain to all the countries around the world who still practice this barbaric form of punishment they know does not work in detering people from commiting these crimes, of course as a result of van nuen's actions many more people would have suffered as we all know the terrible consequences of drug addiction abd it's remifications but truly as is of the factual knowledge presented by billy that the spirit needs a chance to learn from mistakes and capital punishment is not only muderous and revenge driven but takes away that chance for the spirit to learn thus stagnating spiritual evolution and with it affecting to some degree the next incarnation.
But truly how can you make enough people understand this reality and that the source of humanity's ills and criminal behaviour is much more complex and deep seated than merely an action a person like van nuen has taken and simply a punishment handed out.
For what it's worth if enough people realised that van nuens problems aren't merely his crime only and that society is also to blame for it because what we are witness to as individuals we also are a part of and a cause of then the matter is definitely not as simple as it sounds.

to be continued

peace be with you all
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James
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Yes the Nguyen case is a sad one. There've been polls going on in Australia and the votes indicate 50% of respondents realy don't give a damn. It's hard to comprehend how I live among such imbeciles. Every day I feel more estranged by the society around me.
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As for Greers project bypassing this material, I just see it as another spineless misdirection by those who have sensed the truth slipping out and have created a manageable timetable they control through Greer. The sources that Greer use's are heavily weighted by military people. Some of them surely are not all what they seem, but who knows really.
a friend in america
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dear forum members

It's a very sad day and the rainy weather doesn't make it any better. To those people who have lost their lives including van nguyen from capital punishment and to those who have lost their lives unjustly, in vain and through the hands of all of us who cannot comprehend our own faults in contributing to society by our very lack of self awareness, lack of knowledge of the truth and our very own complacencies, shame on all of us especially on those barbarians who still commit these act of murderous revenge.
A question begs then if those who ask 'how do you really know until the very pain and anguish suffered by the parents who have lost their children through abhorrent crimes of rape and torture by the criminally insane or any members of family who lost their lives so innocently by the barbaric criminals and to have the gall to say capital punishment don't fit the crime? they'd say what do you really know? have you been in the shoes of these parents, the pain, the anguish, the intense suffering they go through and to explain it with some crazy ideas about why there shouldn't be capital punishment?
To this I have no answer, I really cannot look into the eyes of these parents and say to them your loved ones who lost their lives will go on living forever through countless incarnations so don't worry.
You guys see how unresolveable the problems we face in society are until the very day all of us become truly spiritual so that there will hardly be horendous situation we have to deal with? if everybody did the right thing and seize to commit crimes out of greed, hunger, want, need, desire, ego etc how utopian life would be like even though it's just fantasy for now, like trying to grab air. Although it's not utopian society we want if we can just realise what is really truly important as a human being and had enough love inside of ourselves, can we look at ourselves the same way and still commit these horrendous crimes?

peace be with you all
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Hi Newinitiation

We recommend that people have a good read of the book "Disclosure" rather than just rely on Greer's online articles to understand what he is doing. He doesn't claim that the information is perfect or that all of his witnesses are clean, only that he has a large body of corroborative testimony and documents which deserves investigation. It shouldn't be discarded because of CSETI's stance on Meier, but should obviously be judged in that light.

Peace,
Vivienne
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Today after much anticipation I have received from Figu my much awaited DVDs about Billy.
It made my day and I was the happiest person alive, although not everyone shared my enthusiasm, but was listening none the less. I began by watching "Contact" and then the Beamship footage and goosebumps were growing on my body. When I was watching Samjase perform her wobbley flight, it seems as if her ship was waving 'hello' but I understand this has to do with the earth's magnetic field, but never the less I was feeling overwhelmed by the fact that I am watching something so beautiful and tears were filling my eyes, "I want to go home" I thought because I don't belong here on earth now. I wish I was born a century into the future because then many more people will be more receptive and would have grown spiritually way beyond where they are today but unfortunately these days, I have nobody to share this with. I felt happy and also sad but quickly realized the issue of neutrality in the matter which helped me understand my life now because I know that I have a purpose and a reason as to why I chose to be born in this day and age. Put simply, I feel a deep connection to what is termed Mother Earth, Mother Nature- GAIA. I am part of Creation itself and I feel craddled in the beauty of nature but sometimes this craddle is rocking a little too harshly and I don't enjoy it at all.
When I read the Contact books and the teachings and explanations here, I feel like they are self explanatory and maybe not for everyone but as for me, I understand Creation to be life itself, it is simply logical and yet so complex but also so self evident. I find hard to comprehend the reason as to why most people cannot except them, to me its just logic. Maybe because ever since I was little life as I experienced it never made any sense, the cruelty I felt was unjust and no religion quench my thirst with logical explanations and so I searched for the answers myself until decades later I have finally arrived at 'Billy's gate'. Now logic is so simple that I cannot see anything else to be more enlightening and satisfying for the soul than this simple truth. But with much reservation I have to learn to control this newly found enthusiasm for life and for sharing this great knowledge.
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dear melli

How eloquently spoken
I share your enthusiasm melli, for if I share what you felt, I 've also experienced it myself.
At least some of us can be comforted in knowing that although it could be a terribly lonely place and be so estranged from everything around us at least we aren't alone.
If you haven't got 'and still they fly" from guido judging by the question you've asked concerning plejaren relationship or marriage on previous post and I have yet to see the DVD can we work out something? you said you lived in Nth caulfied right?

peace be with you
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Melli
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Newintiation,
I do have the book and I did get an answer about the Plajarens relationships, thank you anyway.
We could correspond via email my is;
carouselle1@yahoo.com.au
Those of us who live in OZ have had a true opportunity to see a most amazing documentry on SBS about the fabrication of an evil called Islam, invented wars and invented freedom. Tomorrow Wed, is part 2.
Yes the world is changing...
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Newinitiation
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Dear James

Good on you James for the article you've written on the MX newspaper, voicing such concerns regarding capital punishment on a supposedly mainstream newspaper is one way to remind the people at least on a subconscious level what is right by Creational natural laws and commandments without being too direct, for subtle assimilation of spiritual knowledge to the everyday affairs helps for people to at least see some common sense.
It's must be so heartbreaking for van nguyen's mother and family for the loss. He would have reformed himself had he been given the chance to do so.
Anyway keep up the good work young man, for your contribution may not be appreciated by our present humanity dwelling in their ignorance and inner darkness but much will not be in vain.

peace be with you
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Consolato
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This 9/11 video is supposed to be the best video out there that supposed to difinitively prove that g.w.bush and his adminstration knew it was going to happen all along and that they deliberately did nothing to stop it happening because their intention was to let it happen so bush and his cohorts could use it as the excuse for invading iraq so that they can get their greedy hands on iraqs oil.

George W. Bush, 1978-84: senior executive, Arbusto Energy/Bush Exploration, an oil company; 1986-90: senior executive of the Harken oil company. Dick Cheney, 1995-2000: chief executive of the Halliburton oil company. Condoleezza Rice, 1991-2000: senior executive with the Chevron oil company, which named an oil tanker after her. And so on.

I haven't seen it yet but if anyone else has, please let me know what your opinion of it was.

http://www.911inplanesite.com/

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Consolato
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I found a link where that 9/11inplanesite video can be watched for free directly without having to be downloaded -

http://www.question911.com/links.php

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Consolato
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important message - when I first spoke about that 9/11inplanesite video above in the first post and posted that link to the official 9/11inplanesite, I had said a few things there in that first post about what that video corroborated over 9/11. I said that 9/11inplanesite video shows conclusive proof that the U.S. knew in advance of that terrorist plan and choose to let it happen. I made an error because I hadn't yet seen that video when I posted that post there, I was just going by what I had seen in a couple of 3 minute clip previews of that video was all. Then shortly after I had posted that post there I found that viewable weblink of that video which I posted in the post after my first post there and I was then able to watch it. After watching all of that 9/11inplanesite video, I now totally take back everything that I said there in my fist post in relation to how that video proves that the U.S. let the 9/11 attacks happens. After watching that 9/11inplanesite video I know now that the U.S. had actually committed all the 9/11 attacks and not bin laden. I won't say much else other then to say I HIGHLY RECOMMEND anyone and everyone here to go and watch that video. That video is unbelieveable and irrafutable too. I thought I had already known roughly about what all the true events and circumstances surrounding the 9/11 attacks was, but after watching that video, I now know how wrong my old perception of that was, as well as realise now too how much I didn't know about what had really happened with the 9/11 attacks. I cannot stress to anyone how much of a must see that 9/11inplanesite video is.

Just scroll down this webpage to where it says 9/11inplanesite and watch all 3 parts directly for free.

http://www.question911.com/links.php

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James
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Hi Newinitiation,
Were you talkng to me? I'm not aware of having written a piece for the MX paper
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This post is directed towards Micael Horn:


Washington Scientist's created a way to control a fighter jet simulator through the training of just 25,000 neurons from a rat.

Sound familiar??!! The intermixing of biological entities with machine/computers. Both exciting but also sickening at why they chose a fighter jet instead of something useful.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/12/06/1102182227308.html

Saalome,
Tim
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Newinitiation
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dear james

OH it may have been another person, anyway
peace be with you
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Consolato
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Could Princess Mary (Virgin Mary, Semiramis, Dianna) of Denmark be the new goddess symbol in order to replace princess Dianna?. Mary Elizabeth Donaldson was born in Hobart Australia 1972 and married crown prince Frederik Andre Henrik Christian of Denmark on May 14th 2004 .

The Danish royal family claim to be directly related to the Merovingians (whom worshiped goddess Dianna) and also claim to be of the Christ-Virgin Mary bloodline or The Holy Grail.

Mary and Frederik have just recently had their first child and named him Christian. (Christ) Could the illuminati have plans on the horizon for her?

If anyone here lived in Australia they would realise that since her wedding, Princess Mary has been on the front cover of every Australian Womens magazine and getting endless media coverage being portrayed as an icon (goddess) in same manner as Princess Dianna. Her marriage has become a huge wousewives fairytale.

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hi again to u all, i hope i am not hated on this forum because of my claims to be a contactee. why is it so hard to believe when the whole Meier case is so fantastic??? so does anyone here know of any conventions comming up? please post.
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Mtbstephen,

You wiil find people from FIGU speaking on the Billy Meier Case. Please refer to the following link: http://www.ufocongress.com/speakers.html

Regards
Scott
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Newinitiation
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dear forum members

It must be the sign of our times now as it is the case with riots in Paris, there is also trouble brewing in the air in Australia. Who could have thought that such a peaceful and liberal country as Australia there is mayham and violent racial tension going on. Many people got hurt in this blatant tit for tat revenge attacks, guess who it involves, people looking middle eastern in appearance. It was directed at those people who looked like a muslim or middle eastern origin.
I guess in Australia which is also the west, billy's prophetic information is becoming a reality in this country also.
I think that this thing will spiral out of control and the situation will get worse. Those who think that they've been targeted and in their victim mentality will foment more revenge attacks in their minds and we may just see more news headlines of such incident becoming the daily norm as is the case in Israel.
Those who perpetrated such attacks may have been puppets whose strings someone high up may have been pulling, nothing happens in isolation and to have had so many people involved in the incident in their mass hysteria out of sheepish mentality would had to have a central point of instigation in it's origin which sparked this incident off in the first place. Could it be another government hidden agenda aimed at strengthening the anti-terro legislation to further exercise government powers over it's citizenry in the guise of protecting the country from potential terrorist attack?
Who knows? but things aren't looking so good and you could actually feel the tension coupled with anxiety in the air.
I hope that just as it has been said by the plejarens for what they wish for humanity. In all lovingness and common sense, to come to a sensible reason in their thoughts, to strive for peace, harmony, love and true freedom, to maintain some level of forgiveness and understanding, To turn the other cheek and move on instead of consumed by hatred and the thought of revenge to retaliate for the wrongs suffered at the hands of the instigators.
I hope in all earnest such incident don't repeat itself.

peace be with you all
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dear forum members

Could it be because steven spielberg is jewish that upon thinking about the movies with the story lines on ET's that he has made over the years that I cannot exclude the conclusion that he may be one of the people who have received impulse telepathy from the plejarens along with such other persons as george lucas, michio kaku, gene roddenberry etc. But having to think about the fact that spielberg has met up with billy and his exposure from way back regarding billy's contacts would have me conclude that he knows far more about it then he admits to the public.
I recall on one of the interviews he has done that he does believe there are ET's out there.
I wonder then having considered what to many is a defamatory and racist remarks regarding the jewish people from billy that because of such information along with potential politically explosive information that spielberg hasn't done more, given his extensive knowledge regarding it, to basically get the truth of the matter to the wider audience then just making fantasy movies which in surface appearance seem to muddle the issue even further along the lines of the subject on ETs being merely just fantasy.
Could he also be one of the most creative puppets of the zionists?

peace be with you all
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New initiation,

Spielberg met Meier?
Where did you read that?

Matt
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Norm
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Matt, He's jumping to conclusions. Spielberg is a donater to Seti. So he sure isn't that big of a UFO landed on Earth believer if he's donating to that farce of an organization.
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Newinitiation
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dear mhurley

Hi give me some time to back track on it and make it clear to everyone that it's not my imagination that came up with this information.
The line of questioning from spielberg before he made his movie ET to billy when he visited him was upon seeing billy's photos were "how did you do it" (meaning- how did you fake such fantastic and realistic photographs) and to this billy replied, " I just pointed my camera and clicked"

peace be with you
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Anthea
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Newinitiation,
I have heard the same story about Spielberg visiting Billy too. Apparently his movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" made in 1977 was inspired by his talks with Billy.

See this link for info. about the movie
http://www.spielbergfilms.com/ce3khome.html
(does not mention anything about his visits with Billy - this is, of course, private information).
Salome,
Anthea
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Michael
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HI,

I'm sure many people know about the Dogon tribe in Africa and their connection to the Sirian star system. However, has anyone else noticed this:

Dogon
Nogod
No god

Dog gone Dogon, seems that they got it right...despite the Sirian connection!
Michael Horn
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Melli
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Is it possible for our loved ones to 'watch over us' once they have departed from earth?
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Bourst
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Anthea,

Have you, or anybody for that matter, ever seen a reference to a connection between George Lucas and the Plejaren? I would appreciate any input from anybody. Thanx
Salome
Steve
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Norm
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There is no evidence that Lucas or Spielberg ever met Billy. They may have seen his photos thats it. I heard ILM people saw the photos. People on Earth can come up with their own independent ideas about Space & life elsewhere without the Plejarens & Billy's influence, to think otherwise is narrow minded. Spielberg in his research became friends with Blue Book UFO researcher J. Allen Hynek who was an advisor on Close Encounters of the Third Kind. If you really want to know from the source ask Billy in the questions section.
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Anthea
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Melli, to answer your question "Is it possible for our loved ones to 'watch over us' once they have departed from earth?" -- No, it is not possible.

Bourst, I have not heard of or seen a reference to a connection between George Lucas and the Plejarens. If by your question you mean "was George Lucas a person who was influenced by the Plejarens (or a race in the Federation)". This is a possibility, but there is no concrete proof.
Salome,
Anthea
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Newinitiation
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dear forum members

Hi all, I was perplexed by an unsolveable question that has arisen in my mind thats been nagging me, Of all the information pertaining to Hitler, the third reich, the WW1, WW2 and the roles Giza intelligences played in it, why is there no mention of the roles played by the Japanese in the enormous destruction they also caused and their desire for expansion and global domination? If I remember correctly from gaiaguys translations regarding the yellow races being the youngest inhabitance on earth being here the equivalent of one epoch, I wonder if they too had been influenced by the giza intelligences? if so are there any remnants of the instigators still alive today?
Was madam Helena patrovina Blavatsky also a giza intelligence contactee judging by her notion of hidden masters?
Are there any underground dwelling aghartians or the people from agharti still alive underground? do they also influence the earthly affairs?
How were the Neo nazis able to get a hold of such fantastic technology to be able to make an assasination attempt on billy? although they may have been working on improving their flying device technologies how were they able to afford it? who was behind helping them maintain such technological superiority compared to the common government?
If the underground caves that the early ET ancestors had dug up all over the globe have not been discovered thus far could there be a possibility one day that the existence of these enormously long and big caves will be discovered?
What is written as a codex on the easter island monuments and statues that is important for it not to be deciphered at this point in the human evolution? could there have been some information pertaining to the history and activities of early titans and giants who created alot of havoc in the past that cannot at present be revealed to the general public for the fear that this information will cause too much grief and mental disorder because it also involves the revelation which the common humanity cannot at this present accept because not only the fact that our ancestors came from the depth of space and that apart from earth, there are countless other more intelligent life but that it opens the pandoras door for other such hard to accept information regarding the past?
What does the vatican know that shouldn't be revealed to the general public other than their deceit and the whole religion stuff being an enormous farce and lies?
If the enterprise mission is directing it's attention to a particular moon that cirlcles around saturn in an abnormal eliptical path and their idea of it being an asteroid artifically converted as a space station with details they say looking artificial, could this relate to george lucas having received certain impulses from the akashic storage banks because maybe he is one person whose spirit maybe of ET origin and made his movie star wars from those impulse he has received that has an uncanny resemblance to what hanok did when he came back from the realm of the arahat athersata to once again bring anew the creational teachings to his people he founded and the fact that in the movie star wars the artificial space station darth vader was residing in along with his master looks so much like the moon the enterprise mission is investigating?

sorry for too many questions but it'll help if you guys responded whatever the answers may be

thanks, peace be with you all
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dear forum members

it came to my attention recently that after having entered the forum discussion for several months now that my computer started becoming irratic and very slow not to mention the hour glass in the pointer of my OS being activated constantly, So having considered the fact that as we post our point of view on such forum as this one that i cannot dispel my suspicion that this forum along with other such forums as being monitored by the secret agencies of some kind, be it the swiss, the american, the british, the russian, the israelis and others who has vested interest in such enterprise so that any information they are privy to, they know immediately. The question comes to mind "what for"? when the secret agencies know that usually these type of forum attracts the cranks, the schizophrenics, the fringe elements, the outcasts, the losers, the abandoned, the lonely drifters, the idiots and whatever they may wish to call the participants but my guess is that they've been at it for awhile with many different secret agencies being involved without actually knowing themselves who else is involved in espionage and spying to some degree, I gather that it ultimately comes down to credibility issue for FIGU for the agencies to actually not worry too much about it seeing as no danger is posed by FIGU at this point in time that they cannot deal with coming out of FIGU in the foreseeable future, although those keeping tab on it must surely after all the thorough investigation are swayed by the information thats in here for them to be convinced, only that they won't admit it to their superiors in a hurry because of their livelihood and future amibitions .
Anyway to those who are engaged in such activities, to monitor and report to their superiors, I hope you understand whats involved in your actions in stifling the progress that this organisation represents, I hope in earnest that you see deeper to this instead of just being worried about your selfish concerns and to release the information anyway that you can to your respective citizens so that you just don't merely live for your selfish desires but do something meaningful fo the good of mankind.

peace be with you
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Dear All,
A few years back I found a website which has very interesting articles, I am sure every one will enjoy having a look at the site because it has alot of information on various subject as Spirituality, Physicality and Unity

http://thethoughts.co.uk

Please note I am not trying to advertise the site, but rather share something i came across.
Peace to all, and one Love
Junior
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Hi Junior,

Why go to yet another place that is full of ignorant speculation and religious disinformation when you can FINALLY get the correct answers from FIGU?

The eons of being starved of the truth are OVER.

And Rudolph Steiner?!? He's a BAD guy! Do your homework!

Seriously.

Salome,
Dyson

P.S. Moderator: should this be here under Billy's spiritual teachings? How about "unrelated subjects"
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dear gaiaguysnet

Hi dyson, I was wondering with all the information I have read thus far on Dr steiner and some of his books, how you would have in light of what I know about him, come to your conclusions that I cannot at present come to an agreement with?
Maybe you have read something and know about a few things I haven't chanced upon?
Could you fill me in on your reasons why you came to your conclusions.
As far as I know Dr steiner had many enemies in his life time and his take on the spiritual world, although containing many speculations could only have been relevent for the era that he lived in. In regards to the concept of God, in light of billy's information I cannot but conclude that Dr steiner was wrong which he perpetuated but he never claimed to be omniscient nor all knowing, just that as a reader like myself with the benefit of so much hindesight along with so much information available to corroborate on it, it's only fair and rightly so that whatever the information, we read with criticalness, open mindedness and do our own research before we make up our mind as to what is truth and what is not.
So much breath and broad depth of information, articles, books and speeches Dr steiner has wrote and given cannot be accepted wholeheartedly as the ultimate truth, I am sure that he was wrong on many fronts and a few lies was thrown in I am well aware, knowing the fallible nature of human beings but if you sift through all that Dr steiner represents you will come to the conclusion that if you had weighed the pros and cons of his efforts, he will come out the other end where he will remain one person who has contributed much for the spiritual movement than someone who has greatly harmed it. Of course nothing is ever black and white when it concerns people's personalities, deeds, inherent nature, activities, motives and intentions that spawned an effect out of their thinking and behaviour and so on except the Creational truth but truly judging another person is not as easy as I initially thought because as you know dyson even from your experience, we the human beings are so full of weaknesses, fallibility, contradictions, hypocracies, malice, vindictiveness, degeneracies and all other negative factors along with the positives inbuilt by Creation that against the backdrop of all that is life and the Creation behind it, could you claim to have judged your fellow human being correctly prior to knowing about billy back in 1997 when you've became aquainted with the ultimate truth?
So having said that I guess we make our value judgement everyday about others on the principles we see that befits that judgement but not always, as our likes and dislikes tend to come to the forefront along with our selfishness, egotism and emotionalism when judging but overall thanks to your tremendous efforts along with vivienne, the torch that you have taken upon yourselves to carry, however long the journey and however rough the terrain, your fierce devotion to Creation, the truth and your altruistic motives still let that light shine on, so in that judgement although I am in no position to judge you, we the supposed bearers or potential bearers of the truth will from your example along with of course billy and the plejarens hope to carry a bigger torch as you and vivienne carry to some day light the whole world. Thanks once again and hope you stay safe and well

peace be with you
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Hi Newinitiation:

I was asking myself a lot of questions as the one you post for years. To ask questions as you do is very good (it generates also smart answer for other on the forum). From my part, I realize now that i have to answer questions about myself first, and create peace within me, learn how to concentrate, be aware of the spirit within ourself, instead of worrying about politics, WWIII, etc ...

Mankind looks at the galaxies, and looks at the ADN to find answers to: where do we come from? why we live? => it`s all within ourself, if you know how to find it.

Don`t worry about secret services, They are so stupid that they said they were weapons of mass destructions in Iraq in 2003.
They are so insignificant that you should stop wasting any more second thinking about them.

Salome
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Dear friends,

Sorry I was a little curt, Junior. But I have reliable personal knowledge about Steiner's movement (here in Australia anyway) that has ... along with supportive evidence ... lead me to write what I did. Please check out http://www.sos-family.org.au/xfiles/ The child in question has been in the Steiner system for the entire 12 year duration of his sexual torture. I know that Steiner had his good points and has many sincere defenders, but I ask you to explore the Freemason connection carefully.

And I know it's banal, but the (point up) equilateral triangle denoting the link to spirituality on the site you were kind enough to refer us to rang my bell. Please see www.gaiaguys.net/symbols.htm

Newinitiation, I've made a start on answering your many questions. They seem fairly representative, so it might be a good public exercise. But I think several answers may be in And Still They Fly. You've read it I assume?

It may take me a while to get back to you about this, as we are polishing off a little translation about Billy's younger days that will astonish you, and we hope to have that linked off www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm very soon.

All the best to you all,
Dyson
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Dear forum,

Here's what I came up with for answers to some of your questions:

Q: Of all the information pertaining to Hitler, the third reich, the WW1, WW2 and the roles Giza intelligences played in it, why is there no mention of the roles played by the Japanese in the enormous destruction they also caused and their desire for expansion and global domination?

A: I think it’s important to be familiar with the REAL history of 19th and 20th century imperialism, and recognize that the East was largely being manipulated by the West, (think Opium Wars, etc.) and of course the West was getting their significant little nighttime nudges by the Bfaath. Why would it have been necessary for more direct intervention? But the FIGU material makes no distinction between the East and West when the filthy activities of the boys under the Great Pyramid are described, so I have no reason to think that the East would have avoided more direct influence from them.

Q: If I remember correctly from gaiaguys translations regarding the yellow races being the youngest inhabitance on earth being here the equivalent of one epoch, I wonder if they too had been influenced by the giza intelligences? if so are there any remnants of the instigators still alive today?

A: Since these horrible men were finally shifted less than three decades ago, it stands to reason that there would be many of their former puppets still alive today, given that at any given time there were reportedly some 625 or so individuals in high political and religious office under the sway of these telenotic devices, but these were a sort of thought impulse, so the word “contactee” is misleading. The influence was apparently often subtle and in the form of dreams.

Q: Was madam Helena patrovina Blavatsky also a giza intelligence contactee judging by her notion of hidden masters?

A: Certainly there are some interesting connections here, but a bit of digging around Annie Bessant will provide you with some fruitful reading. The Freemasonic 18th degree initiation ritual’s references to the Princes of Jerusalem is telling, and of course it is also there that you will find references to their triune “deity”, Jabulon, (Yahweh, Baal & Osiris) and of course to Abaddon, “the Evil One” mentioned in the bible in Revelations 9/11.

Q: Are there any underground dwelling aghartians or the people from agharti still alive underground? do they also influence the earthly affairs?

A: This has recently been dealt with elsewhere, I think, but I think the short answers would be yes and no respectively.

Q: How were the Neo nazis able to get a hold of such fantastic technology to be able to make an assasination attempt on billy? although they may have been working on improving their flying device technologies how were they able to afford it? who was behind helping them maintain such technological superiority compared to the common government?

A: I think many of these questions are answered in And Still They Fly, but if you look deeply into the Disclosure Project material you’ll come to understand that the real Powers That Be on our poor enslaved planet are private supranational corporate defense-related entities, not “governments” per se. Our elected officials are – because of the often rarified social and academic circles in which they move – more often than not even more ignorant than the typical ignoramus on the street when it comes to the truth about ETs. Look at the lack of progress made by the Disclosure Project in the last 4 and a half years.

Q: If the underground caves that the early ET ancestors had dug up all over the globe have not been discovered thus far could there be a possibility one day that the existence of these enormously long and big caves will be discovered?

A: Well, Eric, these things are not completely unknown, but of course are suppressed as ruthlessly as all the other stuff that doesn’t fit into the current collective religious delusion. Seek and you shall find. Graham Hancock is a name that comes to mind.

Q: What is written as a codex on the easter island monuments and statues that is important for it not to be deciphered at this point in the human evolution?

A: The Plejaren deal at some length with this fascinating topic, and contend that Easter Island had the most recent large occurrences of weird ET people, etc... It’s a long story, but without doing a search, I’m not sure about the “codex” to which you refer. I know that there were a lot of sticks covered with unique writing, only one of which still exists after the Christian missionaries burned them as demonic.

Q: could there have been some information pertaining to the history and activities of early titans and giants who created alot of havoc in the past that cannot at present be revealed to the general public for the fear that this information will cause too much grief and mental disorder because it also involves the revelation which the common humanity cannot at this present accept because not only the fact that our ancestors came from the depth of space and that apart from earth, there are countless other more intelligent life but that it opens the pandoras door for other such hard to accept information regarding the past?

A: I think you may have answered your own question here, and I agree with this idea, as mentioned above about repressed science.

Q: What does the vatican know that shouldn't be revealed to the general public other than their deceit and the whole religion stuff being an enormous farce and lies?

A: Wow! Got a couple years? They certainly know about Jmmanuel. And if you dig the huge Disclosure Project Briefing Document out of our www.gaiaguys.net/ufology.htm page, you’ll see that the Vatican knows a LOT about ET, which is why, when the writing on the wall could no longer be denied, they officially announced that ETs are real a few years ago. Monsignor Balducci’s historic Italian TV announcements are also to be found on the above page. "God did not constrain his glorious creation to this planet alone, bla bla bla." (So did a little green Jesus die on a cross somewhere so that little green men could know eternal life?)

Q: If the enterprise mission is directing it's attention to a particular moon that cirlcles around saturn in an abnormal eliptical path and their idea of it being an asteroid artifically converted as a space station with details they say looking artificial, could this relate to george lucas having received certain impulses from the akashic storage banks because maybe he is one person whose spirit maybe of ET origin and made his movie star wars from those impulse he has received that has an uncanny resemblance to what hanok did when he came back from the realm of the arahat athersata to once again bring anew the creational teachings to his people he founded and the fact that in the movie star wars the artificial space station darth vader was residing in along with his master looks so much like the moon the enterprise mission is investigating?

A: This is drawing a very long bow. And I won’t try to unravel this stretched string of logic except to say that George Lucas would be getting unconscious thought impulses from the Plejaren, if anywhere ... whether his spirit form is of exotic origin is probably irrelevant ... and I’m not too sure of the similarity between the real moon and the Hollywood one, but these ideas do come from somewhere. Actually there’s an interesting idea detailed in a book called The Ringmakers which argues a good case for high ET technology (mining?) being responsible for Saturn’s lovely rings. (A philosophical aside … would they look as beautiful to us is we knew they some Vogon’s tailings dump?)

I hope this has been helpful, as I read just last night in Billy’s most recent book that those of us who recognize the Creational Laws and Directives must also recognize our obligation to spread them. But let me hasten to add that true wisdom can only come from the acquisition of knowledge through real striving on the part of the individual student.

As Billy says. “Everything further must then, through one’s own learning and through one’s own hard efforts, be independently learnt and fathomed. Therewith the evolution would be guaranteed. ... It is also applicable to the Earth humans, because if all knowledge was simply tossed out to them like feed and they fed on it thoughtlessly and without processing, then it would bring no proper success, but rather only a certain school-knowledge, while the undigested remainder would be secreted as excrement again.”

Eric, in reply to your recent post #105: Thank you for the HUGE bouquet of flowers! (Who ARE these people you write about? We’d love to meet them!) Quite over the top.

I certainly have no arguments with you about the thrust or methodology of what you've written about our various ideas, and I remind you that Jmmanuel never said "thou shalt not judge". He said thou shalt not judge FALSELY, so please do judge my comments as (constructively) critically as you can! I need to learn! But it might pay to try to separate what you believe about Steiner and his methods from what you know for sure. Indeed there are a lot of grey areas, and we are all entitled to think whatever we like, and this is a welcoming venue for sharing those thoughts.

But I do reiterate what I wrote earlier to Junior about wasting time with speculation, now that the truth is at hand, but I’m not dogmatic, nor do I take anything as gospel. Of course there is great wisdom to be found in the ideas and opinions of dead Earthlings, but I wonder if we have an adequate understanding of the real truth to be able to efficiently winnow it out of the tangled mess of nonsense it’s been so mixed up with. And it seems that everything true and beautiful has been deliberately targeted for destruction by those who enslave us, and I’ve no reason to think that Rudolph Steiner's work escaped that. Google “ Steiner oto” and see what you get.

I reply to the questions about the secret services … one of the recent FIGU bulletins deals with this matter. Of course they keep a close eye on us here, and also the SSSC, much to everybody’s amusement there, as all the spooks have to do is what everybody else does and roll up during visiting hours to ask all the questions they want instead of hiding in the bushes playing with their expensive boys' toys. But that what they are paid to do, so that’s what they do. As to your computer's hourglass … I think the hard drive is almost full and the RAM is inadequate. Most answers are pretty prosaic. Free up some space on your hard drive and that will probably fix it. :-)

And here's the tanslation I mentioned: www.gaiaguys.net/meierv6p207-210.htm

Salome,
Dyson
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Scott
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Hi Dyson,

Thanks for the translation, that was very touching regarding Billy's past.

Salome
Scott
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Gaiaguysnet
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My pleasure, Scott.

It made ME cry.

Just a correction. In my haste to upload last night I messed up some data and the file name, so the above URL is no longer operative.

If you go to www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm you can find that small excerpt, PLUS a little new one we just did, for the sake of HOPE in the new year.

May it bring us all peace and not the threatened WWIII!

Cheers!
Dyson
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dear dyson

I wonder what existence would be like without the spirit of genuine helpfulness nor the unquenchable thirst to seek and ask questions no matter how it will reflect, for if there is truly a measure to all things, its relative and if there is such thing as an absolute, it cannot be beyond our trying to grasp for whatever our effort is worth, its more than what we have gained thus far.
Thanks dyson, all that you are, seeing as we've never met, would only seem to me anyway touches me deeper and expands the boundaries of my limits beyond superficiality.

peace be with you

PS. my name is matt
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Gaiaguysnet
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Dear all,

Sorry about my confusion with you name, Matt. It's easy to do with nicknames and no faces to pin them on.

And thank you for your gracious and carefully chosen words. Isn't it good that there are indeed some like-minded and peaceful folks on this planet and FIGU has been generous enough to provide the forum in which we can share our thoughts and feelings?

A big "THANK YOU!" to all the dedicated volunteers who make up the FIGU, and of course I include all our wise and loving teachers from the stars.

What a time to be alive! :-)

Praise Creation,
Dyson
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Hi Dyson,

I, too, appreciate your translations very much.

After reading this latest translation about Billy's personal tragedies, I wonder if the Bafath possibly had something to do with the death of those 3 girls. I can only speculate, but they were targeting him his whole life.

What do you think?

Salome,
Lonnie
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Newinitiation
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dear forum members

It came to my attention having read the contact exerpts dyson has so kindly translated for our benefit regarding the german flight technology getting into the hands of the USA, Russia and England from the conversation billy had with ptaah, I've also read somewhere that impulse telepathy was sent to various German scientist, among them Miethe who were among those responsible for the initial development of saucer like flying devices to which samjase had told billy that upon the realisation of hitler and germany's desire for world domination not to mention the imminent WW2,instead of peaceful world unification, which was what hitler initially desired but having failed, the plejarens received the permission from the high council to use logical force to intervene and made further steps whereby the development of flying disc technology failed so that this technology could not be sufficiently developed in time to be used for warring purposes.
Now my queries regarding this affair is that if our sun is already a dying star and that judging by all attempts from the plejarens to bring the truth to light so that we become true human beings among the countless community of being throughout space, the fact that we don't have much time for this turn around not to mention the plejarens constant impulse telepathic nudge to help our cause so that we develop sufficient space flight technology to escape our system, could my assumption be correct when I say that the whole purpose in this whole UFO flight device matter really broils down to our very survival and that the reason why our current speed of technological progress along with the sense of how fast our society and information is developing, changing, progressing, transforming etc is because it had to be so? not to mention the help we receive from the plejarens? and one of the reasons why the plejarens had bothered to send impulse telepathy to terrestrial scientists for the development of flight technology was for the very reasons I have specified?

Any thoughts you guys?

peace be with you all
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Please take this as constructive criticism. It would be helpful to those reading your posts if you used shorter sentences. It is difficult to follow your train of thought when you use run-on sentences. Thank you.
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Dear friends,

Thank you for your kind words.

I think that the Bfaath had nothing to do with this. It's just the way things work. We do indeed forge our own fate, but some things that are going to happen can simply not be avoided.

If we think spiritually, then we understand that we are actually a long string of incarnations, and this brief material existence is of a somewhat lesser "reality" if you can understand how I mean that. And continuing with this cosmic concept, the cosmic time frame of Sol's demise means that WE people here on the cusp of the Golden Age still have more than enough time to become fully Human long long before the sun explodes.

Certainly there are clues that the ET's are trying to tell us about the stuff on the Black Shelves. (www.disclosureproject.org) Every time they float past or do a digital turn they are letting us know that they don't use jet fuel.

Cheers!
Dyson
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Consolato
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hi gaiaguys,

just in realation to this you said -

"And continuing with this cosmic concept, the cosmic time frame of Sol's demise means that WE people here on the cusp of the Golden Age still have more than enough time to become fully Human long long before the sun explodes."


It said in the prophecies that when the SOL's end is near that earth humans will leave the SOL for the last time to look for another planet to live in. This is fine for all the earth humans that leave this SOL in their spaceships to find a new place to live in, but what about all the spirits that were left in limbo on the other side around the earth when earth humanity leaves here? Wouldn't all the spirits that were left behind have to all eventually find a new planet to continue their incarnations into and isn't it usual that when this sort of action happens to spirits that were forced to find some other planet to incarnate into, that the spirit usually gets incarnated into a planet that has a lower spirit evolutionary level then the one that they came from, and the spirits spiritual evolution level goes backwards in thousands or millions of years to some degree? I don't know if what i say here is entirely correct or not because I'm not as knowledgable on these matters as most other people here are but if that is correct, isn't this a bit unfair to all the spirits that this would happen too? I realise that the ammount of years that the spirits spiritual evolution level might go backwards is nothing when its compared to the ammount of years that every spirit must evolute through in the grand scheme of spiritual evolution in this universe. So when the end of the SOL draws near earth humanity on this planet would probably have by then a much higher spiritually evolutionary level then what we all have here today and as such by then earth humanity would be a more spiritually orientated society and probably be classified as being a peace loving society and people. I guess what i'm trying to say here is that I don't like the idea that i could be getting incarnated back onto another planet that has the same spiritual evolutionary level as planet earth has now. I say this because I hate living in a world that is full of so much evil and hatred against their fellow man as what we have here on planet earth today, where half the population can in my opinion only be classified as being barbaric and warlike in their nature. if what I percieve here is true then I for one would very much like my spirit to be incarnated here when the end of the SOL draws near so that i could be on those spaceships with the rest of the earth humanities incarnated spirits when they leave this SOL for the last time and go look for some other planet to live in. This is a very sick world due mainly to its very low spiritual evolutionary level and this is a part of my spiritual evolution level that I sincerely don't ever want to have to repeat again. Hope you see what I'm trying to say here.

Con
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Newinitiation
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Dear jojo

Sorry for the rush, my slow typing couldn't keep up with the flood of thoughts that was racing through my mind.
Now my initial intent behind what I wrote was to bring to light among various other things the reasons why the plejarens had sent impulse telepathy for earth scientists to develop flying disc devices at that particularly tumultuous time when the giza intelligences malicious activities were also at its fervor. It signalled to be as if the old cliche of the good VS evil was playing out like some shakesphere malodrama.
Even in TJ, the Jmmanuel prophecy stating that there will be renewed threats from space and I guess this period or this century was what that statement was refering to.
Judging by the enormous capabilities of the plejarens to accurately perform probability calculations, I cannot help but conclude, having read various contact notes and so forth, that the reasons behind the plejarens having done what they did regarding the disc technology at that particular period in human history instead of many centuries before or after was because it was ripe for them to do so. The change of epoch could have been one other factor along with terrestrials needing to develop space flight technology for future survival and countless other reasons.
Of course impulse telepathy sent by the plejarens isn't confined to one area of science knowing the syncronous nature of progress, As further discovery and development in one area of science is achieved, it affects that many more other fields.

Anyway it was just a thought.

peace with with you
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Junior
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Dear Dyson,

Its ok, you do not have to apologise. I understand what you mean. The main reason I thought to share this link as there are “some” interesting stuff, not necessarily every thing might be true. But something’s I found were very informative. Kind of explaining things in a different way than FIGU.

I agree with you that FIGU has a lot of info. But I usually don’t like to stick to one thing or source but rather see what others have mentioned on the same issues. At times they are similar but other time they are not. And trust me I do see the logic in the Billy materials.

Who is this, Rudolph Steiner. Is this related to my post.

Plus about homework as you might have noticed I don’t post a lot of things as I am doing my homework, and started since about 2-3 years now, and half that time is with Billys info. But still I feel I need much more info as some of the people on the forum have had more time to check and contemplate on the info. As I have heard this quote and I feel it is true, The more I learn the more I know what I don’t know &#61514;. Maybe not exact words used but with the same meaning.

I have great respect to you and your work towards the mission and hope to reach one day to the same contribution to the mission as you.
Peace to all, and one Love
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Scott
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Hello Dyson,

You mentioned in one of your earlier posts about becoming “fully human” in regards to the sun exploding in the distant future.

I have thought about this, and I am wondering what does it mean to be “fully human”?

Obviously to me we are living in somewhat of a barbaric time period despite the technological developments that are unfolding before our eye’s each day. The advance of modern weaponry seems to know no limits, and the destruction of our environment seems to be the order of the day, but how does that relate to being truly human? Does this pertain to the character development of each and every person, because aside from the assassins that are ruling this world, most people seem to have a sense of right and wrong, and are somewhat aware of what it means to be a decent human being.

It seems this development must precede what it means to be a spiritual being, or is this what we are talking about? Does a true human being also take into account Creation and the laws which govern the universe, or is this more earth based in terms of getting along with each other, making a living etc…

Just curious about your thoughts on this…..thanks

Regards
Scott
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Newinitiation
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dear forum members

After reading the contact 70, a question ran through my mind for which I couldn't help but disclose so that what I may think about this, someone else on this forum could clarify, knowing I am still at a beginning stage of learning about the truth.
Now, we often hear the sceptical people regarding the topic of UFOs and ETs say, if the pyramid in Egypt was built by the aid of ETs, why haven't we seen more evidence of technological prowess and proof from any remnants left behind by previous civilizations that should far exceed what our current technological society has developed?
My answer to this is, how can you then approach this line of reasoning with such a narrow minded focus for which you don't have enough evidence to displace your doubts. For one the level of our technological progress had its precedence with an accumulating effect from the past up to a certain point but look at what our techology without spirituality is doing to the environment?, There has got to be some element of spiritual consideration for which we are only beginning to see, for our very distant very intelligent ancestors to have taken into consideration to develop their cities and whatever infrustrcture they needed, to be built mainly with stones for which there are plenty of proof for the present people to dig up and speculate upon. So when the present archeologists dig up mainly stone artefacts and cities built with it, then you definitely must dispel any current concept of what we know technology to be to approach this subject.
Another thing needing consideration is, most of the hard proof is suppressed and disinformation spread so widely by the powers that be, that if the laymen (meaning those not in the know) was to approach this subject, their minds must surely be tainted with "the hollywood effect of fiction".
If they ask "where is the undenialable proof that ETs exist"?, Well I say, go to FIGU.org, Theyfly.com, gaiaguys.net, steelmark.com etc
Obviously the point of my reasoning isn't to convince nor change anyones minds nor is it to feed them information they have resistance to nor am I in my ignornance be able to sufficiently answer to anybody in the most correct way any questions pertaining to it to do enough justice, but like all common experience people on this side of the fence must surely at one point or another go through, I can only live and help live as they say.

peace be with you all
any suggestions, be it critical?
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Melli
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I cannot but be fascinated by Crop Circles, I know that they are naturally very evolved ET beings creating them. I remember reading from Gaia Guys a transcript in which Billy explains that those doing the C-C are not as evolved as the Plejarens. I am sure there are many of you out there, including the spooks who snoop on my and your computers who would really love to know. I say, let's give them 'food for thought'. Can Maybe Jacob or someone close to Billy give us all the real truth behind the phenomenun.
To those of us in OZ,have you ever heard about C-C down under? I would surely love to experience this magical feeling. Gaia, Please let us know.
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Identix7
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Dear Folks of Figu:

I have followed Billy Meier since about '89, from a book I read , and believed his
story, by and large.
However, I have struggled for some time at learning in the last couple of years, with the beliefs about the almighty that I have developed, since the late 80's, which certainly are not fundamentalist, or even "let me save your soul" (or others save my soul)
I would like to tell a story , from my own life which flies in the face of "when your dead, your dead,---there's no soul, or roaming spirit out and about" line of the Pleajaren teachings.
I survived the loss of a woman, near and dear to me, my life mate that lived with me , for 4 and more years...she had developed schizophrenia, and , unfortunately, taken her life, to free the voices pounding her head daily.
I was sitting in my upstairs flat, about 10 months later late at night, and the wood of the floor to ceiling bookcases began creaching loudly and this lady there with me looked me right in the eyes, and we both felt an intense feeling of her jealous presence there , with no words spoke between us to communicate this. I said something like "its, alright , Linda, I still love you." , and that was the end of it......
Was this story even necessary, even, given most everyone agrees there are haunted places that people will not stay in, even if they buy the house, and do not know of prior hauntings going on.
I do not want to entirely sink the Pleadian ship, and lambast it's credibility, but are we truly to believe every little thing they tell us?--might not they want to say things to make us believe the way they would like us to believe?? Unfortunately, I am having a bit of diffulty buying every thing I am being told here.
sincerely, and salomy as well,
(but no baloney) David Lewis}
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Consolato
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on page 280 of "and still they fly" it is mentioned that there was 2862 plejaren individuals stationed at various sites during the major plejaren contacts going on between 1978 to 1985. My question is what were all these plejarens doing while they were down here during that time? thx.

Con
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Anthea
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What were they all doing? This is an impossible question to answer specifically! ;) ... The simple answer would possibly be - they were overseeing matters that would ultimately ensure the future success of the Mission.
Salome,
Anthea
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Consolato
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I really was asking that question because I wanted to know if they were intermingling with earth people while they were down here conducting their activities or if they kept themselves isolated from the rest of us. The reason i ask this is because it is mentioned in the book "and still they fly" that the plejarens experience unpleasent syptoms/side effects if they are within a 200 yard radius of any earth human biengs.
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Edward
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Hi Tim and All...

Tim, some information you may want to know concerning the Hobbits.

Extinction of the Hobbits...?

I once watched a documentary a while back concerning the remains of the
'Hobbits' found in Indonesia. And the research group making this documentary
were trying to find the roots of their foundation. They went to many parts of
Indonesia to find any answers they could find, but they seemed to stagnate,
to their disappointment.

One answer they wanted, was: why had they become extinct, on the island(s)?

They went to many towns and villages, but with no results. But one day they
did manage to acquire valuable information from village people where the
Hobbits were last seen before their disappearance.

It was a Taboo, to even talk about the Hobbits...in the community. But one
family did want to tell of what was passed down to the village families..from
some couple of generations back.

The story goes: that the Hobbits had a habit to only come out at night and
they would roam around the villages to gather any type of food they could
find. This of course, was a thorn in the side of the village people. So, in
result to the nightly actions of the Hobbits, the village people were...at
night.. ready for their presence, and were weapon up to their teeth...to
scare off the Hobbits. All went well and with positive results. They managed
to scare off the Hobbits. So, every time the Hobbits would return at night, a
number of village people would be ready to receive them a good welcome. The
purpose was to only scare them away. Not really to harm them, in any shape or
form. Until....one night!

On this one night, the Hobbits did not take crops or any other kinds of foods
they could find, but...- an infant - ! To the despair of the family of the
infant, and the people of the village, they reacted with much fury and anger.

So, they set in to find the infant. They did manage to find the infant,
but...alas..the infant was not alive anymore. It was not mentioned if the
infant was cannibalized, knowing, that the Hobbits only stole foods or
anything eatable.

But, anyway, this was the drop of water that made the bucket overflow...and
the village people went after all the Hobbits they could find...and
"Exterminated" them all...up to the very last one! This, is why they are not
seen anymore...as said by the people revealing the facts of their
disappearance.


Edward.
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Kiril
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The defention of Unviverse : "All matter and energy, including the earth, the galaxies, and the contents of intergalactic space, regarded as a whole." -- Dictionary.com --

I have a difficulty trying to understand why the Plejarens apply this concept to a finite area of space, for instance:
- They differentiate between the universe we currently reside in and the DAL 'universe' - Two seperate 'universes'

- They speak of many globular(egg shaped)'universes' existing in an infinite sea of energy.

More specifically, taking notice of the defenition of the concept Universe - which in essence means everything(energy&matter) - how is it possible to apply this to a 'bit' of space when this 'bit' is only one part of the whole universe? Its like saying - everything(s).

Previously I was able to reconcile their application of the concept sun - in which they include gas-giants(like Jupiter) and also stars - in that they are both complex systems of plasma(s)&Gases, emiting a certain type of radiation. But in this case - as described above - I remain undecided.

I wonder if anyone can provide me with some ideas how I may move ahead witht this problem.

Thanks,
Kiril
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Kiril
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---- Post Edited for greater clarity and correctness ----

The defenition of Universe : "All matter and energy, including the earth, the galaxies, and the contents of intergalactic space, regarded as a whole." -- Dictionary.com --

I have difficulty trying to understand why the Plejarens apply this concept to a finite area of space, for instance:
- They differentiate between the 'universe' we currently reside in and the DAL 'universe' - Two seperate 'universes'

- They speak of many globular(egg shaped) 'universes' existing in an infinite sea of energy.

Put in another way : how is it possible to apply this to a 'bit[/area]' of space when this 'bit' is only one part of the whole - part of everthing? The result is plurality of the concept everthing - 'enerythings' - which is non-intelligable.

Previously I was able to reconcile the Plejarens application of the concept sun - in which they include gas-giants(like Jupiter) and also stars - in that they are both complex systems of plasma(s) & Gases, emitting a certain type of radiation. But in this case - as described above - I am undecided.

I wonder if anyone can provide me with some ideas how I may move ahead witht this problem.

Thanks,
Kiril
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Memo00
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hi Kiril

the ALL is ALL that exist

this universe (or any other)is not the ALL but only a part of it (a very small part of it)

the definitions you can find in the dictionaries etc, arise in part from the false belief that this is the only universe, when the truth is that there are more universes than cells (or even atoms) in your body. . .

through the universe there may be millions and millions of languages, and so millions of millions of different ways to call "the universe" (the Creation as the plejaren call it), so what is really important is to understand WHAT IT IS not how you name it . . .

and so you can call the Creation: the infinite mind, the great spirit, etc and still the truth remains the same

the concepts, the words are not the truth,
the truth is like the flow of a river
or like the flight of a butterfly
you can catch the butterfly but you will loose its flight. . .

the truth is reality itself
the words are just tags we put to things to become capable of communication

take care
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Kiril
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Memo00 :

01
"through the universe there may be millions and millions of languages, and so millions of millions of different ways to call "the universe" - "
--- However, conceptually(the defenition) they will be all thesame - Since words are mental forms of the physical reality around us. There may be suttle differences in the application of the concept - as I pointed out in the Plejarens use of the concept Sun - emerging from a certain species ability/inability to grasp reality accuratley.

" the concepts, the words are not the truth,
the truth is like the flow of a river
or like the flight of a butterfly
you can catch the butterfly but you will loose its flight. . .

the truth is reality itself
"
--- Reality exist indipendanty of human perception. But truth - the knowledge of reality - does not exist without the concept: the ability to observe->abstract->integrate. Furthermore, since the [human-]sences are a valid form of perception - in that they allow us to grasp reality accuratly - it is possible to know truth - to know reality.
That you choose to invalidate mans mind in such a way - "the concepts, the words are not the truth, " - is the greatest disservice you will do to his progress - Philosophically and Scientifically.

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Kiril
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---- Post Edited for greater clarity and correctness ----

Memo00 :

01
"through the universe there may be millions andmillions of languages, and so millions of millions of different ways to call "the universe" - "
--- However, conceptually(the defenition) they will be all thesame - Since words are mental forms of the physical reality around us - the pronounciation with be different. There may be suttle differences in the application of the concept - as I pointed out in the Plejarens use of the concept Sun - emerging from a certain species ability/inability to grasp reality accuratley.
[ An example is that the Plejarens have a word conceptually equivilant to our concept of the Sun.]


02
" the concepts, the words are not the truth,
the truth is like the flow of a river
or like the flight of a butterfly
you can catch the butterfly but you will loose its flight. . .

the truth is reality itself
"
--- Reality exist indipendanty of human perception. But truth - the knowledge of reality - does not exist without the concept: the ability to observe->abstract->integrate. Furthermore, since the [human-]sences are a valid form of perception - in that they allow us to grasp reality accuratly - it is possible to know truth - to know reality.
That you choose to invalidate mans mind in such a way - "the concepts, the words are not the truth, " - is the greatest disservice you will do to his progress - Philosophically and Scientifically. In otherwords - concepts are mens only means to understand reality


03
"...call "the universe" (the Creation as the plejaren call it).... " --- "the definitions you can find in the dictionaries etc, arise in part from the false belief that this is the only universe, when the truth is that there are more universes than cells (or even atoms) in your body. . . "
--- As far as I could ascertain, the concept Creation describes the creative force(s), which gives rise to reality - all existants?

The defention provided does not preclude or imply preclusion of what you refer to as 'many universes'. It refers to all existants. The problem arises as such : The concept Universe refers to all existants - there cannot be more then one - all existants. Now, this can mean two things :

1 - You and the Plejarens are applying the concept incorrectly. This means that you are describing an entity that does not fit the defention. In which case there must exist a seperate defenition for the finite-globuls of space they refer to as 'universes'.(If Creation is a synonym of Unvierse, thesame applies.)

or/and

2 - That, oweing to our lack of phenomenological understandings of reality the Plejarens choose the concept Unvirse as the closest intelligable means to communicate their ideas - Just like the TJ was written in such a way as to accommodate the understanding of the 'ancients' - but which are some what inaccurate in describing the objects refernced from 'The Real'.

Unfotunantly this issue cannot be reconciled in thesame manner as the Sun/Gas-Giant example I provided, since there is nothing similar to everything/All.

In essence my question is Scientific : What is the proper phenomenological defenition of the finite-globul-of-space which is referred to as a 'unvierse'. The question arrising from the fact that the concept Universe does not describe it accurately?
(Furthermore how can there exist a gate between 'universes', at 'universe' boundaries, if the area they occupy is always changing and therefore their boundaries are always changeing?)


Kiril
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Tjames
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Edward,

Thanks for that story Edward. I was not sure if this race was fully extinct or not. Although I assumed they were. Additionally, is it a fact that a different race lives beneath the surface of our planet who successfully shields their way of life from us, unless intentionally revealing it? Or, is this nonsense?
I read something on this years back but lost interest after I discovered what the focus of the actual mission should be on, which is us. Either way it is an interesting fact to know.

Saalome,
Tim
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Memo00
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hi again

yes, theorical knowledge is very important
and yes, it helps us a lot in our quest for knowledge and wisdom,
and still what i said its true. . .

try to see things from many different points of view
and above all try to see things in a neutral way,
i didn´t mean that words and concepts are useless,
but i wanted to show that what is really important
is the understanding

as i said before the ALL is ALL
any universe in only one little part of the ALL

plejaren call the ALL the CREATION
and also call every little part of it (every universe) a Creation

and i don´t really see any conflict with it

(and definitely i do not agree with you in this, "concepts" are NOT the only way to know and understand reality, they are just a tool, when you meditate there is not even one thought in your mind (and trust me you will now miss them), in fact to EXPERIENCE things as they REALLY are you have to shut up for one time and forget about this little voice in your head saying : "bla bla bla" all the time, our mind is like a pool and the world is like an ocean if you only use concepts to try to understand ALL you will never go further)

honestly i think that: (and as i said before try to see things neutrally, in other words don´t take it personal)

you have problems with these "concepts" used by the plejaren because you grasp too much to the earthly (intellectual/book) knowledge which is necesarily much more incomplete and in many cases completely wrong,

how can you say that their concepts are wrong when you have never even left this planet?,
how can you say that they are the ones that are wrong when you have never travelled to other dimensions and universes and studied that facts from first hand?

the person that created the concept "universe" (as the ALL) didn´t knew that it was finite, he/she never travelled accross the galaxies and through space and time as the plejaren can, then how can you say that they are wrong and that an old dusty definition which is the result of ignorance is the truth?

if you want to stay with your old definition of universe as the ALL, you can, but you cannot await for everyone to change to acommodate to your ideas,

as you say there can only be one ALL and any part of it is not the ALL,
its logical,
if you call the ALL or any of its parts like this or like that
what is the difference???

in other words:
if you already understand the explanations about how things are (even if you consider the names are incorrect) what would you win with a new definition?
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Kiril
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Greetings Mem00, although we disagree, I'm thankfull that you have taken the time to provide your point of view - wrong or not - this is still important to me

Mem00:

04
The fact is Mem00, I don't understand how " things are ", these questions are a move towards validating the Plejarens information.

My question and its value to me are two-fold - Scientifically and Philosophically. The question is :

Under the pre-text(neither you nor I have validated it) of the Plejarens description of the Universe - why did they choose the word universe to describe a finite-globul of space and secondly did they drop some clues in the way of describing certain properties of these globuls that differentiate them from what proceeds beyond their boundaries - these two questions are naturally related.

Scientifically the differences in properties of these globuls as compared to what proceeds beyond their boundaries is important to me in validating parts of my own scientific thoery - and second - in making predictions with this theory.

Philosophically the said questions are important to me since false-concepts lead to other false-conceptions in the course of logical deliberation. I require that all concepts are 'functional' and precise, for this reason.

Since concepts are vitally important to man, since they are in essence units of knowledge, the defenition of the concept must correspond to something in reality, exactly, regardles if it is an action - attribute etc. (not necessarily singular)
Earth-Man, in his language, denoted this particular defenition to the concept Universe - The ALL(This is his defenition of what the Plejarens call Creation). The Plejarens use this concept, knowing the defenition man has ascribed to it, to describe something that does not fit that defenition. As I mentioned in 03, the likely cause of this is that they use this concept compromisingly to denote something else, of which we do not yet have conception - or just partial conception.

Now, if as you claim - Our defenition of Universe is a synonym of the Plejarens 'Creation' - that is, ALL - and if they apply this also to finite globuls of space, then they are not making any sence - the writing is non-intelligable. ( Mem00 I'm suspicious that they don't use concepts so loosely - can you provide reference to your assertions that the Plejarens apply Creation to 'universes' aswell in describing All). I do not need to travel the universe to know this, logic is the only thing I require in this case.

Mem00, if they are to make any sence a new mental unit of knowledge must be created/established, a new word, to denote the differences between 'All-Universe' and the 'finite-Universe'. It is not a matter of being "old fasionsed" or stagnent - at least not in this case - since this problem cannot be reconciled in thesame way as I did with the Sun/Gas-Giants example.

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05
I'm quite new to this process of gaining knowledge from maditation, if not by percepts and then concepts, how does one gain knowledge through meditation. What are the mental machanisms that give rise to it?

Mem00 since you assert that earthly knowledge is incomplete - Philosophicaly as you implied - could you point out to me where are the problems and how/why they arrise? - and more specifically where is it completely wrong. Paying notice to the fact that Christianity does not denote the state of mans Philosophical knowledge atm?

I hold that, although there maybe be multiple avenues to gaining 'perception'(through the sences - through the akashic records - meditation) - that is, the implicit knowledge that something exists, to understand and apply these percepts and ultimately convert them to wisdom, concepts are necessary and the only means available to man to do so. Percepts tell man that something exists - concepts tell man what exists and what are the relations between these existants. Furthermore, as I recall from my reading of the Spiritual Teachings, and which makes perfect sence, the outcome of meditation is ruled by the amount and quality of prior gained knowledge/understandings.
( I have come to these conclusion through my readings of first : Ayn Rand - > Friedrich Nietzsche -> Baruch Spinoza - in the latter two cases, indirectly so. Since I consider that the idea's of these people, along with a few others, represent the pinnacle of humanaties philosophical thought, I give you a base untowhich you must ascribe error, as per your prior claims.)

Regards,
Kiril

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