| Author | Message | ||
    Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu |
Hi Mr. Frehner: Thank you for the reply in the religion section. It was very clear and answer is identical as I expected. 'Fresh breeze through human brain' is a good description of Mr. Meier and Immanuel teaching. Would you know why Ptaah learn ancient Greek? Did he ever travel to ancient Greek(time travel)? Did he do anything or spread any knowledge that changed our history? I would really appreciate your response, and even better, if you can check with Mr. Meier. Danke. Hampton Chiu | ||
V02587 Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 09-2003 |
33TIM_S-3479.txt,33TIM'S.txt,mime_txt.gif,5.4,33TIM'S.txt,text/plain V02587, Please, no posting of active links. Also, what was this image or link supposed to mean? Thanks-Moderator | ||
V02587 Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 09-2003 |
A mistake,I should think before posting nonsence. Thanks | ||
Cpl New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi HC, I cannot comment for Billy, of course, but as no one else has offered a comment here I'll say that Ancient Greek appears to be the base from which almost all European languages evolved. Much of our decipherment of ancient languages has owed something to Greek or ancient Greek. Michael Venturis, who deciphered Limear B, was able to do so because of his understanding of Greek. So just speculating from there; it might have been a good language for a visitor who would be dealing with Europeans (Swiss/German) and possibly some ancient Middle Eastern languages (ancient Syrian texts for the Talmud of Immanuel?) to know. Culture and language mutually assist in their comprehension of each other. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hello all, Does anyone here know what, if anything, Billy and/or the Plejarans have said about Al Bielek and the Philadelphia experiment and Montauk..like how much of it, if any, is true? Perhaps there's a Figu link someone can give for an answer? Thank you. | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 05-2004 |
Salome I started thinking this morning about the past and why it can’t be altered should we travel back in time. Is this because it is against the laws of Creation to do so? Or is it because history truly cannot be altered? I thought about this for a moment and imagined the past to be like a film, of which ten minutes is recorded over, but when forwarded the rest of the film continues as normal, unaffected by the alteration. Does the same principle, or law, also apply to the past? If so, then it would seem that the only way to alter the past would be to “record” over the entire history of a planet, as you would record over a film. But how would this affect the Akasha Chronicles if it is at all possible to intervene with events that have already historically occurred? Maybe our travelling back in time is not registered by the Akasha Chronicles of the period? Maybe our intervention doesn’t actually occur, and were we to return to the same moment history would continue as originally created? But if we occupy space and time it must occur. It has been stated on this forum that the past can’t be altered. But I don’t see how this can be true unless our presence in the past is not felt. Joseph | ||
Savio Member Post Number: 499 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Joseph I would think whatever happens, will only happen in the "present" stage environment. For example, the time travel of Billy in meeting Jmmanuel: The event happened at the present time of Jmmanuel, where Billy came from the future, hence nothing about the past was changed. If this is really the case, that means certain event in the future is doomed to take place like a prediction, in our case, Billy's visit must take place naturally (as a effect/result of certain creational mathematics). Hence, my idea is, if we are going to be affected by someone coming from the future, it must take place now, else our past is fixed. Just some thoughts ... Salome  Savio | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 08-2004 |
From a theoretical point of view, the past could not be changed, because it is fixed and that which happened. Again theoretically, if someone went back and "changed the past" all that would happen is a new -- additional -- timeline would be created. The original one would not have been changed; it would therefore just go on as before. Which time line would the traveller come back on might be the only question; back to the original or into a new future, the developments of which would be unknown. To me Samjase's statement makes perfect sense, you cannot undo what has been done. You can only ever create a better future as an option to changing the past. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 03-2003 |
I would have to agree. According to temporal mechanics, time travel is actually impossible or at least without creating a new time line or time loop. Each new time line is a bubble of reality just as it is with each new probable future. So every time a person decides to time travel into the past, they don't actually go into the past, but instead create a new probable out come from the point in time they returned to. That means that every moment in time has an infinite number of possibilities even-though no single moment in time can't be relived as it was. The same would go for the future. It should actually be possible for time travellers from different alternate futures to visit us in the present because the future always holds many different outcomes of possibilities of choices yet to be made. That means if you have visitors from the future, then you can assume you are already existing in someone else's alternate time line. Billy has a photo which is a perfect example of this which shows a beam-ship going around a tree. In our time line the tree never existed, but in another original time line, it still does and the tree did not disappear from the picture when the Plejarens removed it from the past as would happen in the "Back to the future" movies. This would mean that Billy now has film and photos from alternate time lines which can continue to exist in our time line. Truthseeker | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 08-2004 |
Billy has a photo which is a perfect example of this which shows a beam-ship going around a tree. In our time line the tree never existed, but in another original time line, it still does and the tree did not disappear from the picture when the Plejarens removed it from the past as would happen in the "Back to the future" movies. This would mean that Billy now has film and photos from alternate time lines which can continue to exist in our time line. Thanks for your feedback TS. This may depend sematically on how we term a "timeline," but it seems to me the tree existed in our timeline -- it was just removed by the Plejarens and the memory of the man who had seen it modified to forget its existence, if I remember correctly. To me this is a bit different to it being on a different timeline. Billy just has a picture of a removed tree that existed, that the original owner now has no recollection of due to modified memory. IMO the past was not changed in this instance. The tree was just removed, and memory altered. It seems, therefore, to me that this episode actually has nothing to do with time or time travel. Could moderators advise if I am incorrect here. Thanks. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 591 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi CPL, Would the memory of the man have to modified, if in fact the tree was removed, which would also remove his memory of ever having seen the tree? It would seem that if this man's memory needed to be modified and the memory of it erased, this would hold true for any other human who at any time had viewed the tree. Possibly, knowing this tree was once there and now is no longer is a rather insignificant event, would therefore minimize any confusion that could ensue as a result. This same type of discussion came up when Billy took his time travel back into the 13th century and he left his flashlight behind. Although in a sense this changed history, it was so insignificant that the consequences were minimal and no real harm came of it. What I have wondered about, before Billy took this time travel trip (I believe it was 1956) did the book exist, which I believe is still in circulation, which depicts the magician with the strange electrical devices? Did this book, or the story about this, all of a sudden come into being on someone’s bookshelf or bookstore? Of course I’m assuming this book was printed prior to Billy’s trip. Regards Scott | ||
Savio Member Post Number: 500 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Scott and list Yes, the book existed before Billy’s time travel in 1953. This is some information regarding the book: The History of Magic – by Eliphas Levi (Alphonse Louis Constant 1810-1875) Translated by A.E.Waite (1857-1942) Originally published : London : Rider, 1913 ISBN 0-87728-929-8 Hence, Billy must take that trip naturally as a result of some creational mathematics, because it was already a fact, and time-line theory does not quite fit in this scenario. Salome Savio | ||
Mhurley Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 04-2003 |
and the memory of the man who had seen it modified to forget its existence) What are the ethics of the Plejaran's meddling with the memory of an earth human being? I would have thought this would have contravened their laws of non interference but maybe I haven't read the small print:-) | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Scott, Yes, it is an insignificant event IMO. I don't recall exactly how they removed it, but I don't think anything like a time trip was necessary. I thought I read in one of Figu's books (Contact Notes?) that the tree was removed, and that only the original owner's memory of it had to be erased, as it was on his property and not remembered by anyone else other than Billy. The flashlight is an interesting incident because in the wrong place or hands it could have led to developments, but as it was it just eventually grew old and rotted away without any influence? Sorry, I can't understand your story about the book and the strange electrical device. Maybe I missed something there. Could you say that in more detail? Did Billy bring back a book? Thanks | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 592 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hello CPL, Sorry for not making myself clear (late night). There was a book printed as mentioned by Savio in his post following mine, which talks about the person Billy visited who had some sort of magicial electrical device. This book was actually printed before Billy made his trip into the past. Here is a question to Billy regarding this subject: As I understand it, the past cannot be altered or changed once it has occurred. When you visited Rabbi Jecheili (I believe it was the 13th century) didn't you leave behind a flashlight or something similar? Wouldn't this somehow change that moment in time and create a possible different future? Possibly this was a very insignificant event, and had no real bearing on the future, but it is something I have been curious about. Answer This did not change the history of France, Europe, science, etc. When the batteries were empty, both the flashlight and the device for electrifying a fence were useless and only some object of curiosity. Regards Scott | ||
Nils Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 04-2004 |
Hi CPL: As to the removed tree, I've read somewhere, probably the book Light years, that the Pleiadians demonstrated their magic rod by erasing the time coordinate of the tree, thus making it non/never existing. Cheers, Niels | ||
Savio Member Post Number: 501 Registered: 07-2000 |
Dear all I would like to relay a question asked by Marc in July 2004 regarding time travel and timeline…. Question- Marc: ..... is it possible that I go back in time and somehow get "lost" (by somehow deviating from my timeline) and arrive at a separate timeline or worldline where I see myself doing something completely different, like running against George W. Bush for President in the year 2000……… Answer- Billy:….. If you have not really "run against GWB for President" in the year 2000, you cannot go back into another dimension (= the past) where you will meet Marc who runs ..... If my understanding is correct, the past is fixed, if the event did not happen during that “present” time, no one will be able to travel back in time “successfully” and do the thing that did not happen in the past. It seems that Billy did not agree with the timeline theory….. Time, is really an interesting subject Salome Savio | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 08-2004 |
What are the ethics of the Plejaran's meddling with the memory of an earth human being? I would have thought this would have contravened their laws of non interference but maybe I haven't read the small print:-) Hi M, Assuming his memory was slightly erased I don't think it contravened the laws of non-interference or abused his free will in as much as it was only something he had passively observed, without any specific thoughts or actions connected with it. So it would have been a matter of just erasing a minimal visual detail within scenes of no real consequence to him. Again, if I remember correctly, they may have done this mostly to prevent any possible minor visually oriented confusion for him. I should really find the original notes and check exactly how the tree was removed. Thanks everyone for your great input. It's a fascinating topic. | ||
Nils Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 04-2004 |
Hi CPL: On January 19, you wrote: > What are the ethics of the Plejaran's meddling with the memory of an earth > human being? I would have thought this would have contravened their laws of > non interference but maybe I haven't read the small print:-) Has anyone tried to imagine that the Pleiadians are manipulated the same way. If so they may not be those great idols as we like to think. Cheers, Niels | ||
Dmac New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2004 |
Scott and all, By Billy leaving the flashlight and the tree being removed, does that mean the past can be altered but just inconsequently? If a different time line is/was created, would that then mean that each one of our spirits is currently gaining knowledge from our consciousnesses in those different time lines? If a different time line was created wouldn't we have to exist in that time line also? Savio, Billy said that Marc couldn't travel back and see himself(another Marc) running against Bush but Billy's statement doesn't say that the time-lost Marc couldn't run against Bush in that different time line. Unless there is some sort of Creational/Temporal law that would nullify major changes to events that have already happened. I wonder what would have happened if the owner of the tree had broken his leg previously climbing the tree. I wonder if the removal would have been interfering or if a different tree would have been chosen. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 462 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... Well, everything that has transpired in the Past, is a Result of Today/Present. And everything that transpires Today/Present, is a Result of Tomorrow/Future - To Be -...would be my opinion. And that most of us will Acknowledge, not? If, in the Past, there would be a Dictator or another Mighty Ruler..that would start a World War, he should be "Altered" (the Course of event(s)) in That Time-Perspective, as this being a Natural Manifestation to take action in. NO ONE from That Time-Perspective's Future can go back in to That Time-Perspective and Alter it's Evolution Process(ing). Because, That Time-Perspective's Future still has to be Made. Example: If, Today, there would be a Dictator or President that would start, with out doubt and with worthy Proof, a Third World War, he would/could only be Altered/Eliminated...in This Time-Perspective, and done only by someone from This Time-Perspective and Not by someone from our Future "To Be" Time-Perspective. Because, our Future "To Be" Time-Perspective...is still to be made. The Blue Prints and Calculations...so to speak, of our To Be made future is there, and can still be Altered for the Betterment. Another Example: I once watched a movie of a teacher that had a car accident and this accident resulted that he was in a coma. After he had awaken, from his coma, he had a gift of Seeing into the Past, Present and Future...just by holding a person's hand. One day, he met a candidate senator and President of America to be; if this gentleman would win the President elections. And one day he had the chance to shake hands with this gentleman and President To Be, and received all sorts of Visions, and even, that he became President; and as President he became Megalomaniac in personality and was convinced that his Destiny was to lead the whole world, but only by Starting the Third World War! The Clairvoyant gentleman was in all his Predictions accurate; as has been the case throughout the movie. So, the Clairvoyant gentleman, took by his own Initiative...steps to Change the Course and Destiny of this President To Be, by planning to Assassinate him, by himself. He knew, nobody would believe him, thus, he had to take action Now, to stop that Megalomaniac President To Be..from destroying the entire planet. Will not tell the rest of the out-come of the movie, one should watch it One's self. The movie is called "Dead Zone", a mid 70ties movie. With Christopher Walken and Martin Sheen...and some other well-known actors. The point is, that that President To Be, can only be Eliminated in this Time-Perspective, and Not by someone from our own Future Time-Perspective. By doing so, this will Alter our Future To Be...in the Positive advantage and out-come. Thus, the clairvoyant had to act now to secure the existence of the entire world by Eliminating one person(president) to save the billions of people on Earth. If he did not take his action, there would be No Future - To Be -. The most extreme Scenario would be - All Mankind would be Annihilated -. The Christmas-time movie "Scrooge" is a very good example, of viewing the Past, Present and Future, and how our handling of Today will Effect our Future To Be. In this movie it is very clear, that the Past can Not be Altered. The Changes can only take place NOW. For the betterment of the person and his/her surroundings. "The Past is just an Echo...of The Present, and The Present is an Echo... of The Future"...so to speak. Edward. | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 03-2003 |
The incident that resulted in the Plejarens having to eliminate the weather-fir tree occured on 18 March 1975 during Semjase's beamship flight demonstration (which was filmed, the one in which the ship approaches the tree so closely that the upper branches sway slightly). Semjase gave Mr. Meier notice of having to eliminate the fir tree on 3 May 1975 (Contact 16) due to it having absorbed some of the radiations from her ship, which could have been analyzed by scientists to reveal information for their research. In the Stevens book there is a note in Book 1 page 205 (Contact 21): "In another discussion on the 'eliminated' trees, Meier asked the ET cosmonaut how this was done, and her answer was quite brief and direct. She simply said, 'We changed its time'...". | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 463 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... My opinion would be that the Flash-light and Tree are just "Minor Artifacts", and thus, do not have such great Impact or Effect Consequences in the Future. If it were a person or persons, this would be another case, absolutely. If there were the Possibility to Manipulating or Eliminating a human being back in time, it would indeed have much more greater Impact and Effect and Consequences, knowing a Human Life-form has the ability to Consciously Evolve, in the contrary to Minor Artifacts as the Flash-light or tree, or other minor objects. If this were the case, than One would "Reshuffle The Deck Of Cards"....so to speak. So, as David posted, describing that the Time of the Tree was changed, would be acceptable enough to execute that Time Modification/Manipulation. And concerning the Flash-light: the same would apply. And Again, as long as they are Minor Artifacts/Objects. And as we know, it did, become Useless. Edward. |
