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    Newinitiation Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Kiril In response to your no.1 post, I myself had some reservations about why the plejarens called the universe creation and creation the universe when what I thought universe (including gases, stars, planets, galaxies and dark matter) to be would be different to what creation was. It got me thinking that if somebody pointed to my arm and differentiated from the whole human that I am and refered to my arm as a separate enitity wholly different to the human that it's attached to, then whatever concept my arm is called, to this person my arm is a totally different organism in itself. Now for me this is erroneous because if the concept "human" is applied in reference to a human being then it includes the arm, the leg, the shoulders and every other part including the brain, the consciousness, the intellect and all other human faculties in totality. So if the plejarens used the term universe to denote a finite space but call it creation at the same time we must take into consideration from the information available about what creation is, is that it's everything including 10 to the power of 49 different variations of creation and with it the absolute absolutum the analogy above makes some sense. Now you must understand where our science is at, it's too materialistic and focuses too much on the material aspect of existence without taking into consideration the spiritual. Sure I myself cannot do justice to your question with my limited understanding of science or for that matter the spiritual aspect of all that is but if what is important in this discussion is solely the semantics without seeing the limits that withhold from our minds the fact that it's our seeing eyes that deceives us, the perception that is subjective, the knowledge that we know to this point about what matter is when our earthly science is just beginning to discover what to the plejarens is the 3rd stage out of 7 stages of development of matter not to mention whatever scientific theory to prove or disprove at this juncture, it will always be inadequate because it only deals with the materialistic aspect of the coarse matter, you can see as what memo said in his post why that all is all. Just imagine for a minute if you were one of the knowledgeable plejaren who through enormous advancement in science found that everything in this universe contains the spiritual force underlying everything including this coarse material belt (the 4th belt out of seven in this universe) and that through technology you have uncovered the 7th stage of matter only to conclude that it's the fine matter sphere, the spirit that is in everything, that drives everything and which is everything including the stars, the planets, the galaxies, dark matter etc in this situation would you not then call the universe with everything included in it, the universe? would you then not use the term creation which is in all that permeates everything and everything permeating creation, the creation? and if you understood at least partially what I have written, then doesn't this answer your question, that whatever philosophical or scientific queries you like to address as an absolute in terms of which concepts to apply, you already know the answer out of yourself through your own reasoning and understanding of what a concept is that it's beyond semantics. peace be with you | ||
Barbarotico New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2005 |
Hi to all member of this foro. I write this message because I want more information about this topic. The day that I built a small pyramid with iron sheets something stranger happened the night that I welded it. I built the small pyramid with the following measures in inches: 6 * 6 at the bottom and the height was 6 inches. That night I placed the pyramid on a table to continue working on it the next morning and I went to sleep. At 1:00a I waked up to go to bathroom and when I get up from my bed I notice that something strange was happening on the point of the pyramid. The point of the pyramid was surrounded in a strange red-orange aura and the pyramid emitted a strange noise. I came closer to the pyramid because I was put it on the way that leads to the bathroom of my house, as the pyramid was near the entrance of my bedroom I was obliged to pass near it and cross it's red Aura. As I came closer to the pyramid I felt a strange dry energy that almost I could touch. Surrounded in this strange energy I felt itch in all my body and I began to feel smell to burned hair, that was as if a semi-material fire touched my skin very superficially. Of course, I didn't dare to touch the pyramid. That energy sticked to my body and it was vanishing slowly across the path to the bathroom.When I get out from the bathroom the pyramid was turned off. That night something strange happened again. About at 5:00a I was sleeping laid on my left side and then a force rolled me in faced up position, I was in a semiconscious in a trance state, I can saw around me but i can't move. Somebody with character of urgency began to hit from my chest to down with something, that sound as a beam of metal hitting a metal. When that thing or entity knocked my chest I felt an strange relief. The next day totally awaken while I was walking in my house I felt 2 times something like a semi material fire that touched my hearth very superficially at intervals of 4 seconds and with the duration of 1 second. Some peoples have told me that I am playing with very dangerous forces. What utility can be given to that energy? Can I use that energy to develop some ability? Can you give me some basic security rules to know how to protect me? Please, somebody near Billy Meier can give more information if know about this phenomenom? | ||
Chasekahn747 Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Kiril This entire questioning and philosophical break down is filled with a tremendous amount of knowledge/I give you much respect for that which you have written and shall now take my shot at perhaps helping you along the way. But for now here Is but a short synopsis perhaps to aid if needed I will go in-depth at a later time point. “As above so Below. As within so with out” The mystery of the Creation is simply a matter of cross reference. There is the Absolute Absolutm which is that which is The First Cause the All That there is, and from there sprang via creative inspiration Universes, within universes , example like dreaming that you are in a dream only to awake and find it was but a dream , or better the conscious mind , the sub conscious mind and the super or higher conscious mind which connects to an even higher mind reaching up into that which is The Absolute Mind. Everything within the Absolute Is so intricate within it’s own creative being that it is but a minute scale of the grand universe, we are likened unto walking universes, each person one meets is a universe. You are correct in your analysis that there are percepts that must be understood prior to meditation for better understanding for spiritual growth one must re define his own personal matrix Here is a Cosmic Princple that maybe of some service.. there is the Law of One and all reside within this Law: That all souls are cells of the body of Universal One; and when this Law is obeyed, there is no need for any entity to struggle or compete; for this is likened unto the parts of one's body fighting the other parts of one's body, and in general the body being at war with itself. With the Law of One you may be at peace in the body of this Universal One. The Law of One is a fixed and universal law in which those who understand the Law of One realize that all is one, and all that appears to be separate will, in the end, be nothing but an illusion to those who followed the path of separateness which appeared as scattered fragments. This indicates the universe is one totality and when entities recognize that wholly universe, then entities may move into that universal harmony. The Law of Love places the welfare and the concern and feelings for others above self, it is that close affinity with all forces that we associate with being good.The law of Love denies a place for evil in the world, that resists not. Love offers the path of least resistance by cherishing, nurturing and protecting the beloved.Resist NOT evil. Expose it YES | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 187 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi again Kyril -in all the material i have read the plejaren always call the universe "the creation", among other things they told Billy that this word had certain significance, and that by using it, it could produce a change in the consciousness of the earth human being this could be explained by the simple fact that: all vibrates (have you ever read "the Kybalion"?) each word have its own vibration, in this case it is not only the sound you produce when you speak but the mental vibration when you think Billy has also explained that the names of persons are very important and have a strong influence, so i think it´s more or less the same... -among other things with time you will find that people that are really wise are also humble and simple, not like most scientists in this planet, even if their knowledge about really important things is by far greater, Billy and the plejaren usually speak in a very simple way and only apply new concepts when talking about things that are "unknown" to us (like Arahat Athersata, the Gemüt, the Sohar, etc) if you would like to know if plejaren have another "technical" name for Creation then ask Billy (in the questions to Billy section) - the truth is that there is no real difference between philosophy and science, in earth both are lame and one-eyed, scientific thought is simply too materialistic and philosophy is too speculative, without meditation there is no real wisdom, without meditation you cannot know how things really are, the only thing you can do is: bla bla bla . . . the world is simply too big and too complex to fit in your tiny brain, to know more about it you have to "submerge" in the ocean, you have to accept your ignorance and face the mystery, without concepts, without theories, to discover the real truth you have to experience it. . . take care | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear dyson The tumultous goings on in your suppossed defamation case is a dispicable act carried out by fools who make foolish laws to serve the foolish. How is it that in this country (not limited to this country alone) such obnoxious individuals can set up any organisation they wish, gain tax exempt status, make up whatever vain and evil rules they desire and still be protected by the law (no need for answers, just myself venting my frustration by sympathising to your plight). Dyson, if there is one thing I have learnt from what I've read in your website, it seems that the higher you go up the ladder of what to the general society is deemed a success and prestigious, the more rotten to the core it gets. It's a sad state of affair and it seems the freemasons have a strangle hold on virtually all areas of society, encompassing nearly all major important positions. I am sure you and vivienne have enormous strength and will to carry on despite the mess these idiots have caused to your serene and peaceful lifestyle. Other than working diligently to get the message across to as many people who will listen about the truth, make donations when we can, work on ourselves to align ourselves more towards the creational natural laws and commandments so that we affect positive changes on others on an individual basis, what more can we do to turn things around for the better despite the enormous opposition and road blocks these kinds of people pose? peace be with you | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 563 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Memo and Kyril... Very well said, Memo! Billy did say, that One has to keep the name given to him/her by their parents! That given Born-Name is the value which One carries throughout One's life. If One changes One's name, One will generate another Name-Value and Vibration..and generate another Personality Vibration. And thus, this given name will act totally different than the Born-Name personality. And thus, can lead to "Schizophrenic" behavior! Edward. | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear All, espically phil could some one join me in the discussion at david ickes forum. i could use some help, or reinforcment in other words. i thought its worth having a fair discussion although i am not sure with the type of people in that forum, but its worth a try i thought. check the link below http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=236809#236809 Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 04-2003 |
Chasekahn747, You say the “Law of Love places the welfare and concern and feelings for others above self …” With all due respect how can this be true? Doesn’t the Law of Survival require that the individual’s welfare and concern and feelings for self come first? How can you be of any value to others if you don’t take care of yourself first? | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2005 |
I have solved the dilemma in my understanding of the concepts Creation and Universe - here is the progression of my thinking for review : ---- My first step was to find the proper defenition of 'The Creation' as given by the Plajarens. In the context applicable to this situation -> Def(Universe) : 1. Creation is identical to 'Universal Consciousness', which guides and prevails in the BEING of consciousness... 2. The Universe is Creation’s internal and external body. Ref - http://www.figu.org/us/spiritual_teaching/creation.htm ---- Next I began to search for the etymological developement of the concept Universe to see if there existed some broader underlying defenition. Having found it - Def (Universe) : The sphere or realm in which something exists or takes place.(I thought this was the most succinct defenition) Ref - http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=universe ... I realised that I had jumped to conclusions when I stated - "If they are to make any sence a new mental unit of knowledge must be created/established, a new word..." - since I had not considered the factor of contextual basis in the appliation of the word. ---- Now armed with the knowledge of the range of application of the concept Universe and the proper defenition of 'The Creation', providing contextual basis in this particular case - I came to the following conclusions : Def (Universe): The universe is the cosmological domain/sphere-of-action of The Creation. Synonym (Universe) : Cosmological domain. If we take Cosmos to imply space under an ordering power/force/creativity. Note - Although we are provided with a defenition for universe in the Figu Bulletin No. 89 on December 1993, I think the defenition I present is more accurate since it deals with the relationsip between 'The Creation' and a Universe in direct terms. As to the your(Memo00,Newinitiation,Chasekahn747) 'Oneness' principle - we are not dealing here with one entity and not just entities(also energy(s)), if we go on your assertions we may call every existant universe(plainly false)- a finger from my hand is not All existants - All energies(neither philosophically or scientifically). However, now that we are aware of the proper defenition of 'The Creation' and how it relates to a Universe, I concede -- we are now dealing with a singular entity -- that plurailty of the application of the concept Creation is plausable and proper in a broad philosophical sence. It should be said also that the concept Universe can also be applied to All-Reality. -------- So in the end I find that the Plejarens had provided both a philosophical and scientific framework for the defenitions of a Creation and a Universe, merely I had no eyes to see it - if we include their desciptions of the nature of the Absolute Absolutem aswell as the matrioshka-like structure of a cosmological-domain(Universe). Note - I feel like singing the - " Happy, happy - Joy,Joy "(Ref - Ren and Stimpy) - song right now.  Kiril | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 12-2005 |
Memo00 in reference to your post of January 03, 2006 - 06:16 am : Knowledge - true knowledge - gives rise to action - motive power. Knowledge can only arrise in the company of rationality and objectivity - - rationality and objectivty arise as a consequence of the application of logic and reason: Do you take what Mr.Meier/Plejarens says as real automatically or can you provide proof, under the standards I have set out above, that such a principle - That the name of a Person effects his/her character and phsyc - is valid. If not, you have no place in using it as grounds for the validation of other assertion. Doing so is very dangerous. Thanks, I will look at the Kybalion. Your assertion that Philosophy and Science are no different is incorrect : Although they are married in their persuit of knowledge they different in there fields of study and therefore the particular knowledge seek. Furthermore, it should be noticed that Scientific ideas are dependant on Philosophical thought. The role of philosophy is to uncover the universal principles of 'The Real' (All) and mans relation to it. Science deals with specialised cases of reality/nature. Example : Philosophy discovers the Law of Cause and Effect and The Law of Identity. Science discovers, using the findings of philosophy, that sound is a wave phenomenon and, that using the formula v=d/t, also discovered by science, we see that they travel at 340.29 m/s. I agree with you that the majority of Official Science and Philosophy is bankrupt in its current state - is this what you mean? - and if so what do you mean by "too materialistic" -"too speculative"? - in which case what do you propose as the way forward? - what are some examples of these errors? If not, then you are again incorrect, there exists - however, few - persons of this earth who do look to reality, philosophically and scientifically, in the persuit of knowledge and wisdom - who, if others have eyes to see them, will bring about the development of man philosophically and scientfically. ( Without the information of the Plejarens) "without meditation you cannot know how things really are, the only thing you can do is: bla bla bla . . . " Oh yes, this is most certainly the work of a literary genius, Edward. Again Memo00, I put it to you to describe the mental mechanisms, under the standards I have set above, by which knowledge is gained through meditation? Or/and share with us your experiance in gaining truth through meditation? I am doing just fine with my "tiny brain" atm. Also could you tell me why - too big and too complex is not a proper reason - it is impossible to grasp reality through mental abstraction? what precludes a mental abstraction from being able to observe(not nessesarily by sight) reality as it is? - or in the case that you compromise and suggest that it is an interplay between mental abstraction and meditation - could you describe how they interact? I ask you sincrely and with an open mind, I have seen evidence of the effects of 'meditation' on electrical-brain-wave-activity. Regards, Kiril | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 488 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Junior, The Icke forum looks like it's mainly populated with the unthinking, skeptical, know-it-alls that abound in cyberspace. Since I don't have enough problems, I sometimes engage these guys myself, as on this forum: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread183213/pg1 I would say that is you read the free sound analysis and photo analysis documents (at www.theyfly.com) and also this quote re the film that blows everyone's mind, it may be helpful in your approach: From: UFO Contact from the Pleiades A Preliminary Investigation Report Copyrights 1982, 1982, 1980, 1979, 1978 Wendelle C. Stevens "For analysis of the moving picture sequences of the Pleiadian spacecraft filmed in color in super 8mm format by Eduard Meier we turned to Mr. Jun-Ichi Yaoi of Tokyo, Japan, a world recognized expert in the film and television industry, now working as an officer in Nippon Television Corporation. In the 18 March sequence Meier filmed the spacecraft circling a large tree in front of a farmhouse. The sky was overcast with a low ceiling, and occasionally light snowflakes fell. The motion of the spacecraft looks suspiciously like it is tethered from above as it appears to circle the tree and then to swing back and forth over the tree, except that on three occasions the spacecraft changes its motion abruptly with no change in the tilt of the vertical axis of the ship. If it was in fact tethered, one would expect the vertical axis to tilt as the tether point above was moved. In another measurement it was found that the tilt angle of the vertical axis in one oscillation sequence was sufficient that the axis crossed within the frame and would have put the tether point within the picture. No tether point source was revealed, in one of the final oscillation sequences the object appeared to pass directly over the top of the tree, and it is clearly seen that the tree was swept over in the direction of the spacecraft, or appeared to follow the spacecraft as it passed. Clearly no model could have produced this effect. When we revisited the scene we found that the tree had died and was cut down." Good luck, MH Michael Horn | ||
Smythstar Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hey all. I was reading the other day an old book I had on Billy and the Pleadians by an American guy (I cant remember his name) and in one chapter it goes on to explain the levels of spiritual progression people and all beigns go through getting a better understanding of creation at each stage. Anyway at one stage it says that at one point in our developement all humans looked the same because our apearance is directly linked or a result of previous or future experiance. Well I thought thats interesting if peoples apearance is a direct result of their spiritual level ie their amount of experiance, this brings forward some interesting possibilities within my mind. For instance how does a good looking person vary in experiance to an ugly person, are they more or less spiritually experianced and could this indeed be why we find some types more attractive than others. Take for example the Pleadians, quite attractive people I suppose most people would think sort of Nordic looking like Swedish or Norwegians people, the Pleadians are more spiritually advanced than us does this mean also that people that look a certain way are also more advanced spiritually and thus born in that form? Also if certain races like for instance chinese look the way they do does this mean they are also on a similar level of experiance as each other? Could this account for the differences in races because of spiritual experiance not genetics? Anyway id really like to hear your opinions and if anyone can clarify this with a little certanty with refference to the contact notes and books etc that I cant read because I dont know German id be very gratefull. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 04-2003 |
Interesting questions Smythstar. I can't answer with any certainty, however, here's one observation. The Asian races are said to be the most recent additions to this planet. As they originated on another world, their spirit forms are therefore of extraterrestrial origin. So, although they may be the newest to this planet, those that migrated to this world are not of low spiritual evolution. How many migrated to this planet? Surely less than the present Chinese population of 1.5 billion. Accordingly, the majority of their descendants are of a different (lower) spiritual level. Considering that spirit forms incarnate, inasmuch as possible, into the same sex, race, religion, locality, etc as the preceding life, and that certain regions of the earth have experienced population explosions in recent times, it might be logical to deduce that those regions would be populated with spirit forms of the lowest spiritual levels on the planet. Another comment about gauging the level of spiritual evolution of people might be made by observing their commitment to religious dogma and practice. The more devoted, the less evolved. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 12-2005 |
Corrections to my post of Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 03:05 pm: Paragraph 2 - Line 2 [..Def(Universe) :.. ] = Def(The Creation} Kiril | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Smythstar our appearance has nothing to do with our level of evolution, there are in this planet thousands of "beautiful" persons that are literally complete idiots. . . and if you look at a photo of Billy or anyother member of his group, well i don´t see any "movie star", and Billy is probably the most advanced man (in spiritual knowledge) in the universe. . . i think that info can be a misunderstanding or a wrong translation of the fact that our face remains very similar through all our numerous incarnations (past and future) .................................. as one humanity evolves obviously it has a better feeding and a healthier life style in all senses, so that means a healthier body (and more beautiful viewed from certain point of view) but that doesn´t means that you can tell who is more evolved or intelligent or whatever just by looking at the physical appearance (remember the old sayings. . .) the physical differences between races are the result of the conditions of the planets in which they developed, but it is not only the result of the environment, look at nature and you will notice soon that there is not even one tree, rock or animal that looks exactly the same as anyother, nature is wise my friend, all that exist in the universe is like living poetry, like a cosmic symphony, how can you make great music by repeating the same note over and over? (and the answer of why some persons are more attractive than others is also in nature) take care | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear jo_jo Do you have any information on how you can tell the difference between a person with an ET spirit and those that don't, whatever the race they are from? Was there such topic discussed in one of the contact notes? Surely just because a person is religious doesn't mean their spirit is lowly developed. Think about the Dalai Lama, even billy said that this person's spirit is highly developed yet the Dalai Lama is one person among many who believe in religion of buddism and it's distorted teachings. peace be with you | ||
Chasekahn747 Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 07-2005 |
To jo-jo Chasekahn747, You say the “Law of Love places the welfare and concern and feelings for others above self …” With all due respect how can this be true? Doesn’t the Law of Survival require that the individual’s welfare and concern and feelings for self come first? How can you be of any value to others if you don’t take care of yourself first? Chase: The law of survival does not still rule out the concern for ones nieghbhor,it is the law of love not martyrdom, which sacrafices selfs worth value and and care, ala' the jesus story , simply to care for one another as you care for yourself, yet knowing when to say when, love not martyrdom.Peace The Law of Love places the welfare and the concern and feelings for others above self, it is that close affinity with all forces that we associate with being good.The law of Love denies a place for evil in the world, that resists not. Love offers the path of least resistance by cherishing, nurturing and protecting the beloved.Resist NOT evil. Expose it YES | ||
Smythstar Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 10-2005 |
So there isnt any specific info on how your spiritual evolution or certain experiances effect your physical apearance? | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Michael, Thank you for your reply, appreciate it very much. I will be checking the links again as its been some time.  I know what you mean by (mainly populated with the unthinking, skeptical, know-it-alls), but you know I was hoping to maybe help at least one person understand what the Meier case is all about, and trust me my hopes is to make at least one person think of the case more seriously. The main reason is to see how much I have improved in talking about the case. I guess its just a sort of self evaluation. Because where I am now (Saudi Arabia) its kind of impossible talking to someone about it, as there are many obstacles, from English language let alone German, to the strong belief systems the people here carry. Plus I have seen your discussion on the link you added, a while ago, and thought it was quite interesting. Plus I want to thank you for the efforts you put into to the mission, and hope one day to do the same. Trust me your efforts are a motivation for others to talk about the case, and take up challenges… Respect… ……………………………………. Please guys if you could just keep an eye on the progress on the Icke forum http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14081, and inform me if you have any comments on what I say, especially if I said something wrong to be sure not to repeat some mistakes again. Please either add it on this forum or to my email jr_ba@whoever.com plus I am using this email on MSN Messenger if any one would like to add me to his list. Wish me luck  Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 567 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi JoJo.... Yes, very very well said..JoJo! And very perceptive of you. The Asian Races may be the Last to have migrated to Earth, and even IF they were Less evolved than the rest before them, this does not say/mean that they are the Lowest evolved of all races on Earth! We must keep in mind: That they DID come to Earth in Advanced Space crafts! Thus, they were surely and truly...much more advanced than the original races of Earth...it self. The Races on Earth that still practice "Religion" ARE in the majority of more lesser evolved, than the non practicing. Which speaks for itself. Thus, we can Acknowledge, that even in our western world, meaning Europe and USA, and any other ally countries, as being more at a low stage of evolution than countries that do not or less practice Religion. As Billy once mentioned: that One can be Spiritually Advanced, BUT...this does not mean...that that person is Wise...or/and can Acknowledge even the concepts of Creation(yet). Thus, "Individuality", plays here a personal role. Take for instance Albert Einstein: He was a very high evolved Spirit-form and even linked to the Plejarans Impulse/Telepathic Mechanisms, BUT, still...he practiced his Judeo/Christian Religion, and not that of Creation it self, as we know it. And how I understand it: America has a vast majority of - Low Evolved Spirit-forms -, and that is why...from all great continents on Earth...THEY have the "Greatest Religion Fanatism" on the face of they Earth. If my memory serves me well; this is why there is a much more advancement of technology in America also: to keep their Consciousness Positive Occupied. To speed-up their evolution, BUT, alas...their Judeo/Catholic/Christianity ...stands in their way, and they are BLINDED by their Materialism and their False Cult Religion(s)..and thus can not Grasp the Concepts of CREATION. This is WHY....Billy mentioned that in particular...AMERICA...HAS TO CHANGE THEIR WAYS OF "THINKING". If they do Not do so: THEY THAN "BLEW" THEIR GRANTED POSSIBILITY!! And as result: take the rest of Humanity...with them into the Abyss of their generated BEAST(LY) - 666- BLOODSHED! And which Billy and the Plejarans named the Americans as: KriegVolk= WAR RACE!!! And what they will generate into the future of whole Earth Humanity. We must keep in mind: That the races on Earth that may seem to be living, still...in the Caveman age, can as well be High advanced Spirit-forms. But as we can Acknowledge from Billy and the Plejarans: that a number of these races were put back into time, so to speak...by the "Nuclear Warfare" the races on Earth made come into reality..in the past. And as well by Warfare and Enslavement, that repeated itself...over and over and over; thus, not even giving a number of these races the possibility and capability to Evolve Properly, in a Decent manner. Thus, these so-called Cavemen or Primitive races had to start all over again, in their Material evolution..as well..as in their Spiritual Evolution Processing; and pick up the grain...where they left of. Edward. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 189 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi again Kyril each word have its own characterisitics (its own vibration), and in this world all is interconnected and all have an effect in all (even if sometimes is subtle), lets say that the effect of an harmonious (or not) name in a person is more or less (it is not the same ´cause there are many other things involved) like the effect of music in plants (and of that there is a lot scientific research) also maybe it can interest you the work of Masaru Emoto with water crystals (just search in the web, he is very famous) i don´t believe blindly in what Billy says, but i trust him like a friend trusts in another friend, because experience have told me that he speaks the truth even when it doesn´t seems to, and that time proves one and another time that his claims about the most diverse topics are right not everyone in this world is a liar, there are still some wise and honest persons from which you can learn, to recognize them you have first to search and experience many things ................................................. science and philosophy are both searching for the same, that is: "the truth", at some point in the future they will rejoin again like they were in the past, when each philospher was also a scientist, and this is because of the nature of things, scientists will discover that there are things that can´t be studied with microscopes, telescopes or anyother technological mechanism and that the spirit, reincarnation, etc are a reality by too materialistic i mean among other things that they spend a lot of time in worthless things, and that when they find something that could be really useful they use to win money and power, science advances a lot in this days but they are forgeting that there more important things in this life by too speculative i mean that they make theories and theories, and fill books and more books of bla bla bla just to disguise their ignorance, in the end they know nothing (nothing really important or useful), they don´t answer who we are, where do we come from, where are we going, etc etc of course in both, science and philosophy there are exceptions, as there always been, but in general science will continue to run faster and faster without knowing to where they are going, while philosophers will continue unemployed until both work as one again, each scientist will be first a philosopher with strong ethics and morals, and each philosopher will benefit from science (border science!!!)and his knowledge will be practical and useful to all (like in the old times when the wise ruled) ............................................... and about meditation i´ll write in the next post ´cause i think this is long enough take care | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear All, I remember reading once that the swiss army made a new base near the center in Hinterschmidrüti, after the story of Billy. Could someone tell me if thats true, and if possible some more information, of the location of the base or any other usful tips Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 04-2003 |
Newinitiation, I have no authoritative information on how to determine one’s level of spiritual evolution. However, if you could measure a persons vibrations, that should tell the story. Throughout the Universe, everyone’s vibration is unique. And the higher the vibrations, the higher the spiritual evolution. But can science measure these vibrations? I haven’t seen any evidence yet. People that accept religion on blind faith can only be considered lesser evolved. For that matter, anyone that accepts anything on blind faith is lesser evolved. This is why children should not be forced into religious practice. Many of them become blind followers before they have even developed their reasoning faculties. Exactly what does the Dalai Lama believe of Buddhism and its distorted teachings? Aren’t there some kernels of truth in all the religions? Surely if he is highly evolved, he can separate the wheat from the chaff. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear jo_jo The point of my address in this discussion isn't to argue with you, who is right or who is wrong. I want to get at the truth of the matter instead of being bogged down by half truths or some misinterpreted opinion. Surely we cannot be left to our own devices despite billy's advice that people should think for themselves and seek answers diligently from within without but on these matters we cannot know for sure without the aid of further information from billy to do so. I guess we might be getting ahead of ourselves if this topic of discussion merely satisfies our curiosities alone, as there are more important topics than how to find out the spiritual level of a person. But its worth mentioning because we don't know for sure and participate in a lively discussion that don't degenerate into one party defending what to him was perceived as a slight and the other redefending his position to get the point across, if in the end it serves the purpose for more insight and understanding, then this can only be a plus for us. Anyway as you have stated clearly that you have no authoritative information, for the benefit of both of us I can only appeal to others on this forum who might be more informed than both us to shed some more light on the matter. Why I persist with this topic is that although through billy's writing, we can get to know someone who is the epitomy of the highest of spiritualness and accept him as our mentor, teacher, guide, leader and above all the highest of model on which we can emulate and integrate his teachings of the creational natural laws and commandments into our lives, there is still something left wanting such as having enough spiritually developed people in my immediate life to balance all the negatives that I see around me. Often I see too much emotionalism, quarrelling, bickering, ego driven conflicts, petty rivalry, childishness, immaturity, disharmony, turmoil, lack of love and understanding, coldness, apathy, down right evil, ruthlessness, matter of factly disregarding of other people's needs and the valuable principle of life etc. Often times I am left to pick up the pieces and on some occasions I am also part of the problem due to myself reacting negatively to negativities of other people. Participating on this forum affords me some respite from the daily ugliness that we must all confront over and over again, I guess this is the other side. To cut to the chase, because I don't have reliable information, that first impression isn't the best impression when it comes to judging other people, that it takes time to get to know people on a deeper level and the fact that although this may be an harsh judgement on my part, the more I learn the spiritual teachings, the more I need to learn to love and seek that which is virtuous in substance because the more degenerate weaknesses, faults, failings and negativities becomes more and more apparent about other people and that of myself which I have to come to terms with and to rectify. When it comes to others, there are some things about them I cannot change nor is it my place to do so therefore I need to be more forebearing and understanding because I am also one of them with the same positive and negative qualities. I am still searching peace be with you | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2005 |
I'm experimenting with a new strategy for making my posts more intelligable - aspacially longer posts. That is, I'm experimenting with 'Audio-posts' : http://s27.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0137EWO7ZGIB237OVZET3BYVCS Time = 4:43s - Size = 1Mgb Memo00 : The more we exchange dialogue the more I feel the religious overtones starting to appear in your writing. Ref - First Block : What is the point of all these speculations and empty assertions? Have you actually researched Emoto's work? - I am aware of his work for the past 3 years, he has made some brilliant pictures of water crystals, but has not proven any of his postulates in concern to the consciousness of water and its various external effectors. Merely what he is paddling, and making good money from, is anti-science - he does not follow a logical,consistant and exhaustive experimental method - and holds as proof his own religious convictions - this is more then appearent in his so-called scientific papers. In any case, he does not practice science! - any delusion to the contrary is the mark of an undiscerning eye, one that has the bearest idea of what real science is actually all about. In any scientific or philosophical matter how can one act on trust?(and expect progress) - is this not the same as Christianities concept of - IN GOOD FAITH - the trust in God/Jesus. I'm afraid you did'nt understand me in my previous post, when I set out the standards of our dialogue - Knowledge cannot and does not arrise from faith/trust, no action-FOR LIFE(both in-mind and in-body), can or should be taken without a firm and exacting Scientific and Philosophical basis!!!! Or, in a more shortened form : How can one act on nature without knowing/understanding it? - How can one produce something real in the absence of knowledge of THE REAL ? Ref - Second Block : Paragraph 1 : Because 'Universal truths' cannot be studied with any instrument of the physical-sciences, knowledge of reality diverges into two separate areas of study - Philosophy and Science. Paragraph 2: What worthless things does science indulge in? And although, like you, I disagree with the abuse of Scientific knowledge as an instruement of power, are you implying that the man-of-knowledge not be rewarded for his discoveries of new ways of thinking and doing? What is more important to man then science? -- the investigation and study of nature -- keeping in mind that epistemology is also a field of science. Paragraph 3 : I do not condemn any thinker, because as an investigator of The Real he has the right to make mistakes, for through what other means can he learn - can we learn? There are many books on philosophy and they all make a valid contribution to the project of gaining Universal truths. As governed by the laws of evolution - many iterations are necessary before true and lasting wisdom may be attained. That you do not see answers to your questions - " they don´t answer who we are, where do we come from[This is a scientific question], where are we going, etc etc " - in terrestrial Philosophy is a result of your inhability and/or ill-desire to read and understand it - the fact that you speak of philosophy in such a way - "bla bla bla" - betrays to me exactly this. Might I ask you then, since you take such a high mantle, do you have the answers, that terrestrial philosophers do not? and can you validate them soundly ? Paragraph 4 : Philosophers will continue to be out of work because philosophy is not haeld in high regard in our culture . As one example - we can see that the majority of interest in the Meier UFO case is pointed towards the UFO's themselves, rather then the Spiritual Teachings. A scientist need not become a philosopher but he must hold an explicit and integrated philosophy -of-action, in The Universe - since "philosophy is the logic of science."(P&A Correa .The Usages of Science: The use and abuse of Science.) (Ethics is the science of morals - it does not make sence to refer to both as seperate fields of virtue, since if ones ethics are not strong neither are his morals.) Final words Memo00 if you wish to continue in this manner, do not bother posting your 'info' on meditation, for me. Rather I suggest that you re-evaluate some of your thinking. Regards, Kiril (As far as I remember my name is Kiril not Kyril, I ask that if your engaging in some form of subterfuge, to stop.) Hello Kiril & Everyone, The posting of links is permissable, but please do not make them an active link. The only active links allowed on the forum are to FIGU related sights. Such as within various sections of the FIGU Website, or to other approved FIGU sites like www.billymeier.com etc. Thanks Scott-Moderator | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 255 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Junior ; I have seen the base , it is right up the road from the center within walking distance , vert close . It sets above the center , as the road winds up the mountain .It doesn't seem to be very active , and the army conducts an interview with Billy on a regular basis . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 569 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi JoJo and Newinitiation... If I may pitch in some loose change.... Concerning Buddhism and the Dalai Lama: I personally, was fascinated in the Buddhist Teachings in the past: but than, the UR Buddhism. Not The modern version(s) of it. Just like many other Religions or Teachings(etc..): there comes a time that..."The Mosquito Is Made Into An Elephant!" Alas. Thus, the Religion or Teaching is not as Pure as it was, as meant to be. Good example would be of course the TJ: which was Consciously and Unconsciously Tampered with...and was to become The Bible: "The Mother Book Of All Unholiness" of the TRUE Teachings of the Laws of Nature and Creation...as taught anew by Jmmanuel. Personally, Buddhism is an interesting Teaching, and it does have many Similarities with the Teachings Jmmanuel taught; maybe in a bit Distorted version, but..the Buddhism did teach of Mans "Connection" with The Universe/Cosmos(= CREATION). And not to forget: the Meditation aspect of the Teaching..which is an important factor in the Teachings of the Laws Of Nature and CREATION...as well. Thus, for me, ANY Religion that is Connected to The STARS/Universe/Cosmos = CREATION...in their own manner...has good starters into grasping the Truths of CREATION..as they evolve in their Spirit and Material cycles to came. The Judeo/Catholic/Christian Religion is FAR from the mentioned above! Many of us here on this board can recognize this Fact of Acknowledgement. Because, we were "Spoon-fed" with these Religious Distorted Untruths in our past life(s). Knowing, that a majority of Christians still look up at the starry night as being a "Painting", and not something or an element that plays a Significant role in their life(times). And above the starts, they mention their - Heaven(ly Home) -. And as we can Acknowledge: this was Intended to be that way...so that Man can not Comprehend and Grasp The TRUE Teachings of their BEING and Existence and thus: "The Teachings Of The Laws of Nature and Creation." Their Religious Untruth(s) "Limits" them to further Expanding their Spiritual and Material Knowledge and Evolution. And thus, they become SLAVES...of their OWN Religion and circle Endlessly in their circle of Ignorance. Without any further Progression...what so even. Is this not the perfect "Mind Control" scenario? Yes, of course! So, besides the Judeo/Catholic/Christian Religion, there may be a number of more, which are like-minded. They are Truly LOST in their Ocean of Ignorance...and of Stagnation. The word "Blind Faith" speaks for itself. "Blinder Than A Blind Man...Can Ever Be"...I Would Acknowledge! Edward. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 191 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi again Kiril oh yes many things about Emoto´s work are not very convicing, anyway i think the stuff about water crystals is interesting that´s why i mentioned it, thats all (and yes, there exists the possiblity that he somehow rigged the photos, but also the possiblity that he didn´t) "hard proof" of many phenomena is something that today in earth we don´t have, and still by simply using logic, many things can be known, so when i say: all is interconnected with all, and all has an effect in all, it is not speculation (for me), but an absolute certainty, you can think im a fool , or a blind believer of some silly superstitions, i dont really care, ´cause i know it is the truth, and not because of faith, but because of a different kind of thinking and seeing things, and because of the experiences i have LIVED (not read, imagined, etc) and in this meditation and many things that happen inside of you play a big role . . . (and obviously you cannot see inside of me, and i cannot "transmit magically" my experiences to anybody, so if you want to dismiss anything i say or simply it is more comfortable to think im just a crazy guy saying nonsense, thats fine . . .) ................................. no, it is not the same, because religions are illogic and their statements are contradictory (and here im being very "soft" ´cause in reality they´re the vomitive and putrefact seed of destruction and death), while the info from Billy and FIGU is always LOGICAL even if many things cannot be proven (with today´s technology), and also here you are completely FREE to think whatever you want, to question everything etc, while religions demand their followers absolute acceptance of idiotic dogmas and complete servilism. . . how can one advance trusting in someone else? very simple you take everything it is said as an hypothesis, and experience (yours not of anyone else) will confirm or dismiss all that is said, i trust Billy ´cause my experience has always showed that he´s right, and that his knowledge about really important things is greater than anyone else in this world there are always persons that know much more than you, you can learn from them or you can try to "discover" all from the beginning, the wise person will not magically transmit his/her knowledge to you, but he/she can guide you and teach a million things because he/she was once exactly where you are standing now if you are not humble enough to accept (and smart enough to recognize) that there exist persons that know a million things more than you or any earth philosopher or scientist, or if you want to wait thousands (and in some cases millions of years) until every claim made is confirmed by science to listen to what its been said NOW, thats your problem not mine . . . ................................ What worthless things does science indulge in? just look around you, read the papers, turn on the tv, surf in the web, take a walk in the city, millions of hours spent in creating idiocies. . . are you implying that the man-of-knowledge not be rewarded for his discoveries of new ways of thinking and doing? no, but that must never be the reason why he/she does things, and one should never use one´s knowledge to cause destruction or to make some company multimillionare without benefit for humankind ..................... right now i need to rest so i´ll continue in another post take care ........................................... well just to clarify this: (As far as I remember my name is Kiril not Kyril, I ask that if your engaging in some form of subterfuge, to stop.) it was a simple mistake, (for example you call me Memo O O when my nick is Memo zero zero, but that is completely irrelevant) do not take personal anything i say, i never fight fight with anybody (even if my words can give another appearance) even if some person would come and insult me in me face i would not even blink i would just walk away) | ||
Consolato Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 10-2005 |
hi memo00, I agree with everything you just said in your above post there in relation to how anyone in the world today can only learn and gain wisdom from someone like billy meier. I believe that is so true. p.s, memo00 I find your posts very easy to understand (compared to some others ) and why I like and enjoy reading your post too. Con | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2005 |
Memo00 : When I look around me I see the abuse of science: science - the investigation and study of nature. But the knowledge of nature(and the techonologies that emerge from it), in every aspect, is never worthless, for it endows man with ever greater powers to act upon it.In body and in mind - towards greater productivity - towards greater efficiency - towards greater ability - and Joy : altimately is this not the process of evolution? You can rationalise faith anyway you like, information is useless - cannot be acted upon - if it is in the form of trust or better yet a lingering hypothasis - with a touch of the instuitive on the side. Either way it is a dangerous exercise - since you are using these hypothasis to validate other hypothasis(refer back to our earlier dialogue). One problem I have with the Spiritual Teachings is that they rely partly on scientific knowledge. The problem is that they cannot be proven,yet, with the instruments of terrestrial science - even hundreds of years from now. For instance, the directives of The Creation - the cycles and purpose of a 'spirit'. That they FEEL right or that they make common sence are not exact and sound validators of these idea's. I should say that there does exist extensive and precise proofs for thr directives - as derived from terrestrial philosophy. I wish that the Plejarens would have set out thair science of Epistemology, so that we may have been able to derive and completely validate these directives, and others, for ourselves. And restricted there release of scientific and technological information since this serves no greater purpose other then childish curiosity(What I've read of of the sci-tech-information is really quite vague). Memo00 it is a very infrequent occasion that I meet some-person who can teach me something new and real, not merely correct a mistake, in my fields of interest. It has been that way since I left highschool, and with good reason, since I realised very early on that there were major problems with the prevailing philosophical and scientific ideas of our culture. Since I have progressed my thinking indipendantly I also have a very keen eye for real knowledge - thus, my interest in the philosophical and scientific teachings of the Plejarens and Mr.Meier. I have very exacting and strict standards, to say the least: so, No, I do not take you as a fool, but so far you do not meet my standards, and therefore give me no grounds to be humbled. - If you must ask Regards, Kiril "it was a simple mistake" - ok. I did'nt take it personally, but since it was beginning to become a pattern in your posts to me I thought I might mention it( I did'nt know the reason). | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 192 Registered: 03-2004 |
and now that i have slept i´ll continue. . . yes, anyone is free to think whatever they want, and yes it is the natural process to make mistakes and to learn from them, i only give my honest opinion based in my experience, that is: i have learned more from trees and rocks than from philosophy books, and the info thats has been really helpful has a certain characteristic, it is short, in one page with two or three aphorisms there is much more wisdom than in an entire library containing most of the books that earth philosophers have written through all the history of humankind. . . let´s say that you are very hungry so you go fishing, with your net you catch many fish, most are diminute as insects but there is also one big fish, with which one you stay with? through my life i have discovered many things, but for every thing you learn you also discover that there are a million things you ignore, and contrary to what many may think, the more you know about the universe, the more mysterious it becomes. . . so i don´t have anything to presume and can you validate them soundly ? if you mean if i have physical proof i can share with you, NO i only have my experience and more of what you probably would call speculations and empty asumptions. . . and still i know that what i know is real, how? very simple, have you ever seen your thoughts? no and still you know that they exist have you ever seen your mind? no and still you use it everyday is there any "scientific proof" of the existance of your spirit? no and still without it you couldn´t exist. . . all i can tell you is that the answer to every question man has ever made is closer to you than your own breath. . . ............................... if you dont want to listen to what i have to say of my experiences its fine, i will only make this simple observation: you cannot expect for other persons to act the way you want to, the truth remains true for all eternity and just because according to this or that point of view, you cannot prove it, that doesnt change anything, if you go here and there dismissing anything that doesn´t meet your requiriments you will loose many great oportunities, because like the old hermetic "paradox" says: "the wise man learns from the one that knows less" and finally i leave you this two more: "to find life you it is necesary to die" "you cannot buy wisdom, but you have to pay for it" i wish you the best in all take care | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 438 Registered: 01-2004 |
Kiril, My English is far from perfect and does contain mistakes at times, but I never heard of the words 'hypothasis' or 'instuitive', do you mean hypothesis and intuitive? Maybe you can do a spelling and grammar check on your posts, before you impose your 'very exacting and strict standards' on others. A quote from the Talmud Jmmanuel applies here: 7-51 ‘The spirit of judgement’ 6. “You hypocrites, first take the beam out of your own eye, then see how you can take out the splinter out of your brother’s eye’ Take care. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, then any knowledge you have." | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2005 |
Jacob: Thats just silly. First, I do not impose my standards on anyone : I did not force them upon Memo00 or try to make them compulsory. It is his choice to continue this dialaogue or or not. Second, as you are very well aware - but choose to ignore in your fit of stupor, my standards are of an intellectual nature, by intellectual I mean epistemological and by epistemological I am implying the process of the formation of concepts and ideas, through the logical and consistant actions of reduction, deduction, induction - differentiation and integration. Unfortunantly English is my third langauge( previous two were Bulgarian and Russian), but I will endevour to decrease my spelling mistakes as a means to being better understood. My apologies in this respect, Jacob. Regards, Kiril | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 440 Registered: 01-2004 |
No, I disagree profoundly with you on this. I don't think you are aware of the fact that a balanced use of common language and 'highly intellectual' language works the best. The use of complex words is only warranted when the use of common language would make the explanation unnecessary long winded. Eduard Meier is an excellent example of a person who is capable of explaining complex ideas, processes, laws and principles in everyday German. It’s rather ridiculous to use complex words and at the same time make mistakes, which could have been easily avoided. If you use ‘high standards’ on others, you must be prepared to face them yourself. I think one should always be aware of ones own ignorance in comparison to ones knowledge or what one assumes, ones own ignorance is always vastly greater then ones knowledge, which means that there can be no reason to put oneself above any other human being, regardless of race, gender, evolutionary level, etc, etc. Often the self-proclaimed intellectuals think they are wise, while in fact they are usually the ones who have the least amount of understanding of spiritual matters and philosophy, because of their rigid and dogmatic thinking, they do not allow changes in their thinking because they don’t understand that the ultimate strength in a human being is his/her ability to think logically and gather proof which leads to recognition of truth, knowledge and wisdom. The awareness that a person always needs to learn, gives rise to a modest behavior, and the acceptance to be self-critical of ones own personality. All five material senses are flawed and limited, and what you see, feel, hear, smell and touch can deceive you, its absolutely only the logic of your consciousness which is the litmus of the mind which can detect truth from untruth, illusion and reality. That’s all I want to say about this. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, then any knowledge you have." | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2005 |
Memo00 : I have much to say about your last post, and before realiseing ,in view of our entire dialogue upto this point, that it would prove futile, I had actually written a lengthy reply to it. I choose, rather, to express my disagreement(agree to disagree) and let our dialogue end here - its continuation will serve no great purpose for either of us. There is, however, one clarification-of-assertion I thought it was necessary to expound : In the endevour of gaining knowledge and gaining knowledge from others I have only one bias, as I described to Jacob - that they treat the process of gaining and acting upon knowledge in a Scientific and exacting manner - regardless if we are on the topic of - The local production of photons as a result of the longitudinal waves of ambi-polar radiation, in physics - or - The derivation of the proper relationship between a husband and his wife, in ethics. " ...cannot expect for other persons to act the way you want to..." I can and do since the alternative is the denigration of the process of the formation of the right ideas. This is the process of judgement-by-concrete/objective-standard, it is necessary in all area's of life. To further clarfiy - it is irrelevant for me if they sit on their heads - speak with a certain langauge-lacking pronounciation - are of a particular race/culture/color or how they cloth : I only care for the quality and usefullness of their ideas. Regards and thankyou for the well wishes, Kiril | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 12-2005 |
Jacob : You disagree with my intellectual standards? or....Becasue I have nothing to say or have implied anywhere that the use of specialised nomenclature, there exists 'big/complex' words only if you don't know/understand them, as a pre-requisite for the devolpement of a proper epistemology or/and the successfull progression of a conversation. Nor do I advocate, anywhere, 'sophist-ism' - quite the contrary, I advocate precision and clearity. The rest of your post does not relate to me (your attempt to vilify me)- since the premises upon which it rests, I have shown to be false. A note : I wonder what you mean by - "logic of your consciousness " ? I geather that your speaking about the deployment of discernment by logical deliberation - through concepts? - In which 'guess' I fervently agree and express my admiration for your expression of this idea. Regards, Kiril | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 441 Registered: 01-2004 |
I will translate in to more readable English: "Because I have nothing to say or haven’t directly or specifically made known anywhere that the use of a specialized system of words used in a particular discipline is required. There exist only 'big/complex' words if you don't know/understand them, which are needed for the development of a philosophy that studies the nature of knowledge, its assumptions, basics, the valid methods by which knowledge is gained and its range in logic, and/or the successful development of a conversation as a result of that. Nor do I plead, anywhere, for the use of deceptively attractive and subtle reasoning, it’s quite the opposite, I am for precision and clarity. The rest of your post does not relate to me (your attempt to make me look bad)- since the assumptions upon which it rests, I have shown to be false. A note: I wonder what you mean by - "logic of your consciousness “? I gather that you’re speaking about the use of wise and objective judgment by means of logical thinking - through ideas? - In which 'guess' I strongly agree with that and express my admiration for your expression of that idea." Kiril, I have no wish to ‘vilify’ you at all, I am just stating that you make it appear that your use of specialized words can cause a considerable distance between yourself and your fellow man. It takes a lot more consideration and logic to be able to explain complex ideas and thoughts in wording that everyone can understand. Unnecessary specialized words have caused in the past many falsifications because the people who used them didn’t realize that others could misinterpret those words, which has to lead to falsification and confusion whereby the true meaning of those ideas got lost. My suggestion would be to put yourself in other people shoes so to speak and try to approach it as of you are a different person with a more generic vocabulary. Expressing spiritual ideas and principles should be done in the spirit to allow others to learn and develop themselves as fast as possible so they can fulfill their evolution likewise, not by making it unnecessary difficult for people to decipher words creating more barriers to overcome. As a last statement, a person’s vocabulary is by no means a measure of his/her intelligence; it’s a tool to express oneself, nothing more. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, then any knowledge you have." | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hello, I would like to quote Quetzal here (from AYTF, p. 317):, answering Billy on the topic of the Red Meteor "It is our way to also remain human by offering scientific explanations without using a scientifc language. Scientific term prevails primarily among Earth Humans who believe they must distinguish themselves with this language. This is a degeneracy of callous megalomania, and furthermore it leads to the belittlement of all dangers ..." I personnally verified this unfortunately many times in my life dealing with doctors, lawyers, physicist, engineers, etc ... You see it also among technocrats, politicians ("la langue de bois"). I am disappointed to read here some times on this discussion board. Another thing, one should never take arguments or facts `personnally`, feel it like an attack , (specially from this moderator that has contributed a lot on this board...). Mmm. Yes. This seem to be a constant among Earth Humans, to have their Psyche feel attacked by words or facts presented clearly. Is it a result of our agressive degeneration gene inherited from ancient times? Mmm something to think and ponder about... Salome Eric | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Kiril Kiril, I along with everyone on this forum aren't beyond the judgement of what it is thats important to us human beings, we judge others based on the priniciples (creational natural laws and commandments whether we recognise it or not thats been inbuilt) that befits that judgement through the cause the other has created through their behaviour and expression of certain thoughts and feelings. What to you is an attempt in your self righteousness to understand through your intellectualization of everything touching upon your consciousness, for others on this forum is a vain self aggrandizement to prop up your ego by speaking intellectually and trying to fit even the grand Creation into a nice materially driven intellectual box you might in your self assessment be proud of having done, but alas little do you know that maybe this is one obstacle to your progression to spiritualness that in your current young age, you cannot without other people showing you, know for yourself. Self confidence doesn't mean arrogance and standing on a lofy ground in which one makes for oneself. This opportunity to recognise oneself through the advice of Jacob and others on this forum will do you much good, for if after reading this post you feel hard done by, misunderstood, unfairly treated and animosity starts brewing inside of yourself then stop for one minute and evaluate for a moment what it is that you've said that made others think this way about you. However superior we think we are compared to others, there is always someone far greater than us. If we think of ourselves as very bright and intelligent, then there is always someone far more intelligent than us. So it begs the question 'what is your true motive and intentions in participating on this forum'? if you say to learn and become wiser in spiritualness, then you are on the right track but if you just want to prove a point and disregard the sacred ground in which you have entered without realising the knowledge you are about to deal with is much much grander, surpassing that of all the wisest of philosophers have ever fathomed up to now, that you may have read from some then truly you need to unveil the cloak thats keeping you from seeing what is truly important. I hope you can see for yourself not a day later. from all honest consideration and love. peace be with you | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear All, From my experiance of reading and understanding things one of the best way of language communication is not using intellectual words or those very comlicated words unless others understand it, or if its really necessary. i think quite a few of us don't have english as mother language even if they have doesn't emply that they would be able to use or understand some difficult words. in my opinion especially reading on Jmmanuels techings and Billys OM book using paprables is one of the best ways, although it is limited one can still develop it and still make it easy to understand... and trust me any one could understand parables... they just need to be able to use their mind. obviously speaking to someone and writing something like an essay require different methods, to be able to achive a good result of understanding. just a thought... Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2005 |
Newinitiation : I disagree with you. Just one question - can you please tell me what you mean by - "materially driven intellectual box" - since, I gether, this implies some form of limitation in my thinking and conclusions about a universe and The Creation. Note - I do agree that the Spiritual Teachings are very important and usefull. ---- Eric_drouin : The quote you have provided does not relate to my situation(unless you care to provide proof to the contrary). There are two reasons I choose the words I do, the first is scientific( by scientific I am referring to the standards by which science gains knowledge) in nature - to reach ever greater accuracy and poignancy in my statements and propositions - and second artisitically - towards a continued struggle to produce something new, creative and evocative. It is thus how I derive pleasure in all that I do, professionally or otherwise. To account for this one may notice that my writing is often filled with notes and minor clarification to establish contextual basis and explicit defenitions for new/semi-new concepts. "A quote from the Talmud Jmmanuel applies here: 7-51 ‘The spirit of judgement’ 6. “You hypocrites, first take the beam out of your own eye, then see how you can take out the splinter out of your brother’s eye’ " I don't know about you but it looks like,here, that his accusing me of being a hypocrite - when the claim was indeed silly and totally unfounded. ---- Jacob : My answer is : too bad(this is how I talk and write in everyday life), if the reader does'nt want to pick up a dictionary and analyse the text, its his problem not mine. Espacially because my writings are not overly complex and provide all the elements nessesary for their understanding - I make sure of it. Ofcourse I am also always open to questions. And yes, I am cognizant of the implications of everything else you have written - I agree with you - but I am hardley a teacher and I write primarily for my own understanding. Things I talk and write about( on subjects that are worthwile), in the general case, are those at the forefront of my current state of mind. Therefore I am involved in a constant flux of mental experimentation and logical deliberation. This is why I expressed gratitude, early on in my dialogue with Memo00, for his input. Might I say Jacob that I am particularly impressed with your 'intellectual etiquette ' - your devotion to precise and explcit defenitions.(Speciifially your thread in the Spiritual Teachings section of this forum, where you set forth defenitions to the most common and usefull concepts in the Spiritual Teachings.) --- Final Words In the case where concepts are used properly, in their proper context - ones vocabulary is a direct indicator of ones ability to reason and integrate reality - Intelligence. Since concepts are the primary tools of mans cognition, as I have descried previously, the more concepts you are aware of(and understand explicitly) the more building blocks you have to form newer concepts and understand the ever-more-perplexing mysteries of nature and mans relation to it. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 442 Registered: 01-2004 |
Kiril, Intelligence is so much more then the use of vocabulary to describe reality, it's much more then just reason and common sense, its also the ability to be compassionate, understanding, sympathetic, loving, sensible and many things more. The human has a living Psyche, which needs to be understood, developed, balanced and cared for in a proper manner. I think that it is very clear that your focus is way too strong towards the 'bone-dry' abstract reasoning that lacks feeling, compassion and sensibility. The ability to feel into other people and to listen to your own feelings is a much an equal form of intelligence as logical-deductive reason. Very honestly, your words strike me as very ego-centric and narcistic when you say "too bad (this is how I talk and write in everyday life), if the reader doesn’t want to pick up a dictionary and analyze the text, its his problem not mine." If you talk this way in everyday life then your circle of friends must be sharply limited because I don’t know of any people who would like to pick up a dictionary in order to have a normal conversation. This kind of behavior excludes you from a lot of people who would/could be very interesting because in every person, no matter how they are, who they are or what kind of social status or formal education they have, there is always at least something to learn from them in one way or the other. That statement absolutely does reflect your thinking about your fellowman and how much you care about them. Evolution is BOTH an individual AND a collective affair, both the individual and the collective need each other to evolve. I was the one who quoted the Talmud with good and valid reason because it is highly hypocrite when you claim to have high standards, and tell others that they don’t meet your standards, while you make silly and stupid spelling mistakes, normally I wouldn’t care about those mistakes, I make them all the time, but this time, it was absolutely warranted, because I think it’s a very good suggestion for YOU to pick up an dictionary and to write down the words in a correct way. This is the quote I that prompted me to quote the phrase from the Talmud Jmmanuel: “No, I do not take you as a fool, but so far you do not meet my standards, and therefore give me no grounds to be humbled. - If you must ask” I am inclined to think that you use your overburdened intellectual reasoning to put yourself above others and make them look up to you, and in the same time to put a distance between you and them, because I assume that if you would allow people close to yourself that it would reveal your limited ability to deal with people in a social way, which is an inevitable result of underdevelopment of the so-called ‘interpersonal/social intelligence’ which includes a deeper understanding of feelings, ones own Psyche and other people. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, then any knowledge you have." | ||
Stepchild New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 01-2005 |
Dear Jacob, Now that you mention it, everytime I post a question to Billy, I feel like I end up getting my butt kicked with that bone dry attitude. I remember getting an e-mail from Frener that really hurt bad for about a year and a half. I am afraid to open up anymore. Stan Del Carlo,D.C. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Stan, I had a bit of a search of www.gaiaguys.net/Answers.txt and found your most recent question to Billy. It’s unfortunate that his brief answer hurt your feelings, but try to see it from his point of view. You asked about the “soul”. Anyone who is any more than slightly familiar with the true essence of Billy’s renewed spiritual teachings will understand that one of the greatest evils that haunts our planet is the insane religious delusion of everybody (in most sects, anyway) having an immortal soul which will be judged at death and sent to either heaven or hell, etc. Billy’s difficult life’s work is to correct these lies with the truth, which is widely available to anyone sufficiently motivated to study it, for the first time - I might add - in the long sad history of this poor tortured planet we all share. Here’s an analogy: Imagine you are – for instance – the world’s greatest scientific authority on whales, and you’ve won a few Nobel Prizes and you are constantly in demand by other highly trained specialists for your exceedingly valuable time. In spite of that you generously open your door to undergraduate students who are familiar with your work. What would you do if one of the students asked you, “Professor, what kind of fish are whales?” I think you were lucky under the circumstances. You might go back and read the section in And Still They Fly called “The Hard Language of Truth”, or find those pertinent sections on our site. As to your previous question to Billy in Jan '03 ... I think it was not really appropriate to expect an answer. I'd ask my doctor. Please don’t be frightened of asking questions, but please don’t waste FIGU’s very valuable time by asking such grossly and insultingly ignorant ones. Peace, Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Kiril What is the basis of your reasoning for you to disagree with me? on which front? What I meant by the term 'materially driven intellectual box' is whatever scientific concepts, definitions, terms, vocabulary and words you would have learnt thus far from whatever higher institutions or books, it would have been written by people related to whatever scientific field they were studying that deals with verifiable facts only in the material realm of the coarse matter (what they have deduced with their 5 senses). Now as Jacob pointed out clearly, our 5 senses are very limited and although very useful in perceiving and making observations, it nonetheless doesn't even tell half the story. Take the case in point in regards to say Atoms ( the building blocks of matter), If you were to go back 100 years into the past and try to explain what an Atom is to the lay person of that era, they will simply dismiss you as a crank simply because what they cannot see does not exist for them because their sense of reality is limited by their dogmatic way of thinking along with their sole reliance on their 5 senses to gouge what reality is for them. I think the majority of scientist and the lay people nowadays are no different to the lay person of the era 100 years ago when it comes to spiritual matters, What they cannot sense with their 5 senses does not exist, they want undeniable physical proof, otherwise it's just all a matter of faith. Now getting back to explaining to you the term I've used, most people are still affected by their ego, needing to prove that they matter, that they are important so they learn with their material intelligence the relevent knowledge and try to speak intelligently to make a good impression on others, to impress other people which makes one feel good about oneself. So out of all the concepts and words they've learnt, they think only in terms of materialistic ways trying to intellectualize everything impinging on their consciousness and try to explain everything through it. Now what Jacob, myself and others was trying to explain to you so that you could see for yourself what you were doing is this very fact. You cannot simply approach spiritual matters with the attitude of using materialistic and intelligent sounding concepts and words to understand it, it cannot be done because much to do with spiritual matters (however little I know thus far) is symbolic beyond any concepts we have, the words we have thus created and any terms we may have ever invented up to now. Because it's symbolic, to understand it, it cannot just be imagined but felt from within. How you do it is up to you, you may still ask for proof beyond reasonable doubt on anything from the spirit inside every person to the fine matter sphere to even the existence of the plejarens themselves which only very few people on this earth in our current era has ever seen physically. Anyway I cannot do more in explaining to you if the barrier in your mind is as tall as the empire state building, in the end it's up to the individual and you alone can do it, I am also not forcing it upon you, maybe it'll take you more time for you to get rid of all the restrictions you have built up in your mind before you see the light. peace be with you | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2005 |
Jacob: Intelligence is the process of judgement-by-concrete/objective-standard, through the faculty of reason. The process is thesame for defining emotions/feelings and the proper situations in which to use them. Are you attempting to make this process inapplicable to mans feelings/emotions? - I don't think so, but if you do : your incorrect - What I think you are implying, is a compromise - a compromise to modify ones langauge to suit the prevailing emotional state(the emotional state that might emerge as a result) or prevailing intellectual state of the reader. My answer is, NO, I WILL NOT, for I do not write for anyone else but my self, and I will not compromise accuracey and full-meaning to irrationality and laziness. But I will write in a way, such that everyone can understand, if not automatically, by a simple analysis - In a way that is at once accurate and thorough and logical - and foremost, correct. And I do, I try my best at least. Of the masses, I care only for men of knowledge, and those who seek it. I care only for those with whom I may trade equal values. It is only with those people that I hold relationships. In any society of our 'planet' they are always few - but a single relationship with a man of this kind, has the potentional to ammount to the experinces and joy gained from a thousand of the 'others'. I WILL NOT! EVER! care for the unthinking - the unvolitional men of this earth! EVER! You are incorrect with your assertion that one may learn something from everyone! - something of value. I disagree with your final assertion - it is most-untrue. I stand by the quote you provided from my earlier post. Some final words: I am very much surprised that you all consider my writing such a daunting task to read, I am trully dumbfounded. And Jacob, may I ask - what is the relationship between the indivdual and the Collective in the process of evolution. (I'm not interested in your answer if you are going to use scientific concepts such as - 'The Spirit' - and - 'Vibration' - which you have the slightest-objective-inkling of.) | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 443 Registered: 01-2004 |
Kiril, You have just proven beyond any reasonable doubt that you have no clue about human personality and the absolute real part of the human being called THE PSYCHE. I highly recommend that you obtain Billy's book "Die Psyche" and read it, I know it will be a good help for you. I know I am correct about my thinking in this respect, regardless if you agree or not. Your words are expressing a lot of megalomania, selfcentered thinking, and its also very sad to see that at your age you already have a very rigid thinking incapable of adaptation to any given situation life may come up with up. How can you be scientific, objective when you jump to the conclusion that you assume already that you cant learn from everybody ? Do you know everybody on this planet and what they know and have to offer ?? People who are uncapable of adapting to any given situation and are uncapable of using logic will crash or stall sooner or later in life. Since we all have to evolve we all have to adapt to constantly changing situations and master them by trail-and-error and logical thinking. Kiril, I have nothing against you as a person, I dont know you as a person, just what you write here, but for the sake of the "the unvolitional(=spelling mistake)??? men of this earth! EVER!" as you say, I will not answer your question posed in your 'final words' because you jump to conclusions and bias right away and if you are so very intelligent, you should have figured it out long ago. I will give you one clue though, the answer to the question lies with absolute certainty in the socalled 'ignorant masses'of humanity which you seem to despise so much. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, then any knowledge you have." | ||
Consolato Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 10-2005 |
hi Kiril, there are many different words in the english vocabularly of language/words which mean the same thing as some laymens word that everyone already knows and usually only uses too. Most people don't go to effort of learning all the other new, scientific, specialized and less used words which means the same thing as laymen words thats already in their vocabulary of language/words because they either don't have a need to do that or because they don't see the point of why they should take their range of vocabularly and words to learn in their languange that far. I agree with what jacob said and don't believe that knowing more of the english language/dictionary of words should or doesn't really reflect anyone's level of intellect over someone else who knows less because anyone thats already learnt the average level of vocabulary and dictionary of words in their language could easily go on and learn a greater range of vocabulary and words meanings in their language if they want to go to the effort of learning/doing that, because in the end its all just a continued memerization of words and their meanings to put into use in their language isn't it? Most people don't go that far because they probably don't see the point of going to all that effort just to learn/know more of a greater range of words which mean the same thing as other words that are already in use in their vocabularly of language, which are words that they as well as most other people they normally talk to would never know or use. I'm not suggesting this is you, but personally I believe what the plejarens have said in regards is the reasons why most earthpeople talk in this manner, which is usually just to impress or to showoff to others so they can feed their ego. I started off this discussion here about your style of comunicate when i posted this - "p.s, memo00 I find your posts very easy to understand (compared to some others ) and why I like and enjoy reading your post too." No offense to you Kiril, but I don't see or think that theres anything important that you are saying in your posts which makes me think I should warrant any of my time reaching and searching through a dictionary just to see what a word(s) in your posts means, just so I can know exactly what your saying in one of your sentences, paragraphs or saying in entire post. I don't have to waste time doing that anyway because usually I can get an idea of what your generally saying just by the sentences and paragraphs that they are in. But that usually requires me spending a little time rereading the sentence again and then a little more time to workout what that word means. I like it better when I can read and just take it all in. Wouldn't you prefer it if everyone your talking to or reading your posts knew exactly what you were talking about? Con | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2005 |
Jacob : Could you please define - or provide reference where I may find it - the defenition of 'THE PSYCHE'? What elements of my writing expresses - "megalomania" - and how? Your interpretation of the rigidness of my thinking is incorrect. "I know I am correct about my thinking in this respect," - Why? I know that everybody can't offer something of value to me because, 1 - they don't all share similar interests with me, 2 - Because I consider the majority of my philosophical thought to be sound, 3 - Becuase in my experiance very few are dedicated to the objective progression of their ideas(through philosophy). Just for starters. Un-volitional is my own term which means, not that man is not a volitional creature(or that some are'nt), but that some reject their volitional faculty happy to go on, unthinking and living on the level of an animal(An image of a monkey driving a car and wielding gun comes to mind or a parasite). The Spirit is a scientific concept (as is vibration) - do you understand what this means? - it means that it is something that cannot be grasped in pure philosophical terms. Specialised knowledge is nessesary which must be gained through careful and exhaustive experimentation, to understand it - qualitatively and quantitatively. I'm certain, to the 99.999999 percentil, that you do not possess this knowledge(experimental proof). Therefore any conclusions you make based on 'The Spirit', without the above stated proof, is superfluous. Actually I have thought about it, and, I can't figure out why the 'unvolitional' are necessary for my evolution? How are they involved in developeing my thinking ? | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2005 |
Consolato : You don't have the right ideas about what words actually are and the development of the concept into langauge. Thus your entire first paragraph is superflous. If you can't understand the value in some.any of my writings, why should I be offended? Its upto you how you spend your time, I could'nt care less. All the necessary information, nessesary for a full understanding of my writings, is contained in the writings - I prefer that those who can read and understand them, to do so - And that those who can't, or will not, do not pretend they did. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 444 Registered: 01-2004 |
Kiril, If you are so very sure of yourself to the 99,99999 percentile that I don't possess that knowledge, then why even bother to ask me? That does not make sense at all, why would you, in all your assumed 'logic', ask somebody a question when in advance you already disregard his or her answer as superfluous ???? That is highly illogical. Your contempt for your fellow humanbeing is stunning, every human being, ignorant or knowledgeable deserves respect. Your material intellect is so very strong that I think its rather futile to spend more time and energy to let you see alternatives. You state that you consider the majority of your philosophical thoughts are sound, that in itself is self-righteous, when you're not self-critical and self-analyzing. I wont be tempted by primitive tricks (saying things like "The Spirit is a scientific concept (as is vibration) - do you understand what this means?" ) by provoking me into responding to you with a clarifying answer. If you have so many of the right answers in your 'sound philosophical thinking', why not enlighten us with your 'wisdom'? I have already proven to you with absolute certainty that I have no problem with reading your posts and understanding them. I find that I have to stop my responses here, because this is going nowhere, I see no reason for now to respond to you any longer. Take good care. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, then any knowledge you have." | ||
Consolato Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 10-2005 |
Kiril, without bothering to quote anything that you've previously said in this section/thread so far, all I was trying to say to you before is that your complex use of terms and words which you often use is sometimes a bit hard for me to follow or fully understand what you are saying in your posts is all. My vocabulary range of the english language is limited and it would be easier for me to read and understand what you are saying in your posts if you were to speak a bit less of using complex words and terms. Con | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 12-2005 |
Jacob: Bother to ask what is the relation between the individual and the collective in the context of evolution? - I asked because I thought you might have had a philosophical answer - and because I was considering that I could be wrong. Umm - I ceartainly did not have in-mind to trick you, Jacob. "The Spirit is a scientific concept (as is vibration) - do you understand what this means?" - is a non-direct question(used in a rhetorical manner), that I used to prove my point. If you will question, I will answer - I urge, however, that you do not contrive the view that I am implying omniscience in my ideas. "I have already proven to you with absolute certainty that I have no problem with reading your posts and understanding them." Most certainly, in my writings to Consolato, I did not mean you Jacob. Wrong interpretation. I welcome you to answer the questions I posed in my previous post to you, but if you choose not to, I say thanks and goodnight, Kiril | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 109 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Kiril and forum members I am not sure why but I must thank Kiril for all that he has done on this forum. It seems that for me anyway, although it didn't take an example from such situation Kiril unintentionally provided for me to know but I've relearnt a vital lesson in life. Sorry Kiril it's not my intention to make you into a fool that somehow you may have made it apparent for others to see despite your intelligence but your words you wrote as an expression of that which is you, even though I don't know you at all, gave rise to something thats buried deep in your heart that almost resonated such sadness and pity, it's as if I heard a real bell ring. This is not my vain attempt at trying to play your psychologist but it seems to me anyway, your words carry in them a deep inner sense of insecurity and an inferiority complex that may have been caused by either a very demanding, cold, unloving, sometimes ruthless and uncaring parent, your general upbringing or someone near you who was very demanding, strict and quite punishing, always pushing you to fear and out of cowardice the only avenue in which you could prove yourself of your worth was to become more intelligent than others, to say that you matter as an individual and that the way you have become now is an expression of that desire to be loved, to be recognised, to just want to stand out if not for the ego, then at least as a self defense to all those hurt that you've felt in your life. To ask why? why did it have to be this way?. Maybe thats why looking at yourself critically is the hardest thing for you to do, for the fear of seeing the coward that deep inside you thought you were that up until now you kept trying to hide it from other people by appearing intelligent and bright. Whatever the truth is about you Kiril, this maybe the place where you will find salvation and recognise your true worth, through the spiritual teachings, to not stand in opposition to it but to be elevated onto a much beautiful place. To really see the truth of this existence and your place in it. The life's lesson thus learnt is, never give up on true love that cannot be discarded for whatever the other person says, does, becomes, thinks and feels, the law of transience dictates that nothing is eternal before the eyes of Creation, everything is in a state of tranformation and is in constant change, therefore be forebearing, patient, unseizing in universal love yet stern in judgement but never give up on what is eternal that which is love. peace be with you | ||
Consolato Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 10-2005 |
Originally posted by Kiril addressed to Jacob - "The Spirit is a scientific concept (as is vibration) - do you understand what this means? - it means that it is something that cannot be grasped in pure philosophical terms. Specialised knowledge is nessesary which must be gained through careful and exhaustive experimentation, to understand it - qualitatively and quantitatively. I'm certain, to the 99.999999 percentil, that you do not possess this knowledge(experimental proof). Therefore any conclusions you make based on 'The Spirit', without the above stated proof, is superfluous." Originally posted by Jacob addressed to Kiril - "If you have so many of the right answers in your 'sound philosophical thinking', why not enlighten us with your 'wisdom'?" kiril, in my opinion Jacob has the highest level of spiritual knowledge of anyone else's level of spiritual knowledge that I've heard speak so far at this forum apart from Billy Meier. I thoroughly enjoy reading Jacobs spiritual posts as I'm sure most other people at this forum also do too. But Kiril if you say you have a higher level of spiritual knowledge then what Jacob has, then I eagerly await on hearing your response and hearing a greater level of spiritual knowledge then what I've already heard so far at this forum because that is the main reason why I am here at this forum for is to learn true spiritual knowledge as I'm sure most other people here are too. But Kiril, when you offer us your spiritual wisdom, for my benefit could you please try to speak in less complex words and terms when you do, thanks greatly. Con | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 256 Registered: 06-2000 |
Kiril ; Jacob has said it , finally , and if you re-read his posts to you , you will see that he has given you plenty of consideration , in the form of help concerning spiritual , intellectual and ethical matters . Please observe that he replied to you with no egotism . Be fair to those around you , and those who are nowhere near you , and yet you're in their faces with your thoughts . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 12-2005 |
Newinitiation : I have met and fought this 'enemy', of whom you and Jacob speak - I have fought and won - I have conquered him with my 'hammer-of-reason', as I will continue to do with any others that cross my path. Newinitiation you are correct as to the origins of this enemy(Post No.109), but only indirectly so. You and Jacob, are both incorrect in your final interpretations in this case : I ask you, on what grounds - with what evidence, do you feel you can extrepolate at such length, your analysis of my character? - - Is it because you think that I use complex words? Coud it be that my language is correct/proper and that it is you who lacks the ability to see it? - for, in-reality isn't my writing as complex-or-not much more complex, then that of the Plejarens'. - Is it because I see no value in interecting with those whom I do not admire? - whom meet my intellectual standards : those with whom I can exchange, equally, objects of value - for my life and his? - that I refuse to acknowledge that everyone is capable of this(towards me)! ( To clarify - I will/do tolerate the ignorant. I will/do not, or attempt to , force them into doing anything. I do not consider that they should be exempt from any right to live a happy and fulfilling life. And if they wish to learn I am happy to help them.) - Is it because I hold that knowledge must bring joy through motive-action(to cause motion) - if it is to be true knowledge? - Could it be possible that my intelligence is a product of my desire to reach my set goals in life - a desire towards greater efficacey(of mind and body) - towards greater productivity - and finally , perfection? - Could it be that it brings me joy to create something new and unique? - Not as a means to a superficial superiority but as a proof for my ability to act upon reality - to change it and be changed by it! COULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT THE ARCHETYPES YOU HAVE FORMED/TAKEN FROM THE TEACHINGS OF THE PLEJARENS, FOR THE PURPOSE OF JUDGEING MAN, HAVE ACCEPTIONS - AND THAT YOU HAVE APPLIED THEM PREMATURELY! - THAT THERE EXISTS A VERY FINE LINE BETWEEN THE ALTERNATIVES. ---- Newinitiation, I ask that you please answer the question I posed to you in-concern to my conclusion about the universe and The Creation? - I'm most interested in a review of these ideas. ---- I suggest to both of you(Newinitiation & Jacob), and any interested reader, that if any REAL-progress is to come of our dicussions, or any discussion for that matter, all of our ideas/conclusions(philosophical and scientific) must lead from irreducible terms - must be explict and exact. Aristotle gives us the best and simplest example of what I'm suggesting, with his Law of Identity(in incomplete form) - A is A. This is not only usefull for illustrating an 'Irreducible', it also serves to show how and why this methodology is valid - the statement implies two things : that somthing exists which one percieves and that reality is mans ultimate standard - since there are no contradictions in reality.( These implied meanings may be understood easier if we re-write Aristotle's, A is A, as 'Existence-Exists.} In this way - towards an ever clearer understanding, application and formation of ideas - and also applying the act of consistent logical deliberation, we may form an assemblage of unbreakable links(concepts/ideas) which serve to purge any equivocations and disputes. This is possible only because mans knowledge is hierarchal in nature - that is, complex ideas are dependant on a linked series of simpler ideas. When I ask the questions - why? and how? - you will know that I am invovled in this processs. Regards, Kiril | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 12-2005 |
Markc: I am foremost a rational egoist Markc, not an egoist! - lets get this straight first. Second, sure, Jacobs comments were worthwile and usefull, but only indirectly so. In my last post I have provided my final arguments on this topic, for reference to the explanation of my second paragraph, in this reply to you, check there. Nice website btw Regards, Kiril | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 12-2005 |
Consolato : I'm afraid you have misunderstood my comments in my post no.18. What I am saying, is that Jacob has no right to speak of Laws and Principles which involve, directly or are dependant on, knowledge of The Spirit, and claim them as true. This is because, unless he is a Plejaren(sic), even though he is aware of the knowledge given to us by the Plejarens, he does'nt hold any objective validation of it, The Spirit. This does not mean making a common-sence causel connection, for science does not deal interms of common-sence, but by applying an extensive experimental process(Even if its just in qualitative terms). That is not to say, don't learn it - I do however caution you about acting on it.(I have provided a more extensive arguement in my previous posts to Memo00.) For instance, can anyone prove re-incarnation is a real phenomenon? real evidence? I doubt it very much - and yet I see, at this forum, people using this premise to affirm other conclusions. The mathematical equivalent would be : [6.f(s)] + 10 = 16(sic). I do not make any claim to greater knowledge - let alone Spiritual Knowledge - then Jacob. Kiril | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 445 Registered: 01-2004 |
Kiril, Yes, I have every right to speak about the natural creative laws and principles of the Creation and the Spirit because if you would know the spiritual teachings, then you would also know that they include exercises which lead to experiences which on their turn can be analyzed and understood by the common sense and reason of the consciousness, a process which executes totally in the consciousness. You are also ignorant of the fact that every human, plejaren, Terran, Lyranian or otherwise contains the exact same type of spiritform with the only difference being the age and level of knowledge and wisdom, therefore I don’t have to be a plejaren to have experimental and true knowledge about the spiritual laws, principles, commandments, etc because the place is within, IN MYSELF, in my consciousness, in my psyche and spirit where I come to experience the results of those exercises (such as meditation and initiation), so yes I have every right to speak about the laws and principles of the Spirit because I have a spirit and consciousness myself, like everybody else. If a person wants to evolve and experience the spirit and his or her consciousness then him or herself is all he/she needs for that, nobody can validate the knowledge of the spirit for somebody else, one can only do that IN oneself, the spirit is IN a person, not somewhere out there. Your thinking is caught in a circulus vitiosus, an endless loop of limited possibilities; because your thinking attempts to qualify and quantify the whole of the Creation in Earth human means, this human race can’t even fly a manned mission to Mars yet, let alone travel the Universe and understand it, so how can you describe the Universe in a logical way if you cant objectively validate your assumptions by actually traveling the universe and prove or disprove them?? The consciousness is the seventh sense of the human being in which all other 6 senses are processed and understood (as far as possible), seeing without logically understanding what you see is as good as being blind. The light of a star which is located a million light-years from Earth can and will be altered so many phenomena like Einstein-lenses, dark matter, dust, gravitational influences of black holes, atmospheric influences, up to imperfections in the telescope, can you still claim that the light of that star is still the same when it reaches the Earth? I don’t think so, for the record, gravitation which is caused by gravitons hasn’t been totally proven in a scientific way, no Earth scientist has ever detected a graviton directly as of yet, only indirect. Can you describe to me based on your 5 material senses what the consciousness is, I mean the absolute exact actual point or location in your head where you become aware? Please don’t start about neurological pathways in the frontal cerebral cortex or any other location in the big brain (cerebrum). Kiril, you seem to solely rely on your 5 material senses and what your consciousness acquires from those 5 senses, indeed, then its impossible to grasp the finer things in life, which don’t rely on those 5 senses at all. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, then any knowledge you have." | ||
Stepchild New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2005 |
Yo Dyson, It would be my classroom technique to say to the provocative student "I don't know, perhaps some day you will be the one to discover what kind of fish a whale is". Then I imagine, everyone would have a jolly good laugh. Next question: When the soul becomes lit,is it a process of preparing the receptacle for the penetration of a monadic power and force that is brighter than a thousand suns, like the old books say? 28.5 years and counting, Stanley Arnold Del Carlo | ||
Consolato Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 10-2005 |
Originally posted by Consolato addressed to Kiril - "But Kiril, when you offer me your spiritual wisdom, could you please for my benefit try to speak using less complex words and terms when you do, thanks greatly." Originally posted by Kiril reply back to Consolato - "Consolato:..............The mathematical equivalent would be : [6.f(s)] + 10 = 16(sic)." that went straight over my head! Con | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear all, I am sorry to interrupt again, but don't you guys think your discussions have shifted from its original purpose or point. I for one forgot what the initial topic was between Jacob and Kiril. It seems to me every one is attacking each other or at least attacking Kiril, instead of helping or advising each other. Does it really matter who knows more or who knows less, who speaks better, or who speaks clearer. In the end of the day we all don’t know enough other wise we would already be back with creation. Why not just give advice that maybe one day the seed might turn into a plant, and improve the garden as a whole. My only advice to Kiril, beware… If you continue with improving your complex words you might one day find it impossible to humble to the stage that most on earth humans are. Unless you don’t plan to discuss things with other people one day, because the way I see it, you will only be able to use such complex words with as you guys called them philosophers which I am sure most will not want to hear your theories. Instead you might consider the German language to help you with making sense of some terms and improve your ideas, as one of the things I remember the Plejarens and Billy have mentioned, that English is not the best choice of language, especially when it comes to spiritual terms. I am sure they had a point. Please guys try to cool down, and lets try to help each other understand things… Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Kiril I ask you, on what grounds - with what evidence, do you feel you can extrepolate at such length, your analysis of my character? - On the grounds that you are just a human being like everybody else with no exception whatsoever. - Is it because you think that I use complex words? Coud it be that my language is correct/proper and that it is you who lacks the ability to see it? - for, in-reality isn't my writing as complex-or-not much more complex, then that of the Plejarens'. Its not about the complex language used or for that matter whether I understand what you have written or not. Where I see that its a problem is from what attitude you hold that you express the words you've written. Don't you realise how much damage people do to others who are blinded by their own self righteousness and hold such arrogant view that they are in some way superior to other people? Cannot you not see that your life your parents have given and by you being able to maintain it is not solely the result of their efforts and yours alone but by and large from the efforts of those who came before them and what do you think started everything we call existence? Creation!, You may ask how do you know? how do you know even Creation exists, it could be someone's over active imagination that invented such nonesense? To this I say look around, then look within, the very act that you've engaged in as a result of impulses and will, what forces other than from your mind could you have impelled you to carry out such a seemingly simple action? and then there is the self awareness for you to know what you have done? where in the mind could it possibly come from? ask yourself. Did it require any form of language for you to observe? to know? no right And from where, in which location does you sense of reality occur? Inside yourself, within your mind, in thoughts, your consciouness. Just imagine for a minute Kiril without myself sounding as if I want to convince you of anything. If the present scientists ability to smash atoms into smaller bits to derive yet smaller particles such as quarks, gluons and so forth and those particles in turn could be further split into smaller bits and then that in turn could be done the same and on and on. What are we left with but energy, waves, vibrations or whatever you wish to call it that is condensed as matter (coarse matter). What mysterious forces we have yet to find out could have resulted in such magnificent process we call existence? don't you think that we must maintain some semblance of genuine modesty and humbleness and listen to the wise, the truly righteous people who know better? not out of blind faith but upon the result of our own efforts at further analysis, contemplation, thought and searching within for answers that we've received practically on a silver platter? Because you are also not all knowing and wise, is still a student whatever your age may be, doesn't this conclude that despite your intelligence you first had to learn from the efforts of others that came before you, if they didn't write books and showed you the way forward, could you have really from out of yourself came up with all the knowledge they did? of course not, then how dare you elevate yourself onto a lofty position you in your arrogance and magalomania so selfishly and with no sense of guilt whatsoever done! And to have the gall to continue with your ranting and questioning the very foundation that gave you life. What will result from you continuing in your blindness will only further stunt your development as a true human being. A human being who has recognised their weaknesses, faults, failings, degeneracies and negativities and tries to amend them along his journey in life is a thousand times better than those who with the best attributes and qualities are blinded by their shadows and revel in it. You truly cannot be helped right now, only time will tell peace be with you | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 12-2005 |
Newinitiation : slip...slip...slip...slip...slip...slip!...slipperoooo! Towards an ever greater 'untruth'. I leave you thus, to do battle with the windmills of your mind. I bid thi, farewell gallant knight, Kiril | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 12-2005 |
Consolato : I did'nt think you cared so much, I'm flattered! What I mean to say is that when equating terms - or ideas - to produce some meaningfull conclusion, we need all the terms of our arguement to be exactly defined: [6.f(s)] + 10 = 16(sic) In this equation we see that we have two terms - - the first is 6.f(s). This term may be read as, 6 multiplied-by the function with domain/indipendant variable s(s for spirite, get it ). 6 is a constant but, f(s) is some undefined function - the result of their product produces an udefined term(in its current state). - The second term is 10 and is an exactly defined constant. - In reality, the sum of these terms produces an answer that is not real or defenite, however, I have equated the terms to 16-(sic)(sic tells you that there is something wrong here, an inherent error that has been left on purpose.). This has been done intentionally to illustrate the irrational progression of thought Jacob and Memo00 are suggesting(implicitly), even if they refuse to admit to it - that we may hold as truth conclusions that are derived from false or yet-to-be-proven premises. [Oops - Special Relativity : Oops - Kantianism : Oops - Christianity : Oops - Global Warming Hype(In regard to Causel relations) : Oops - Facism] Your welcome to as many questions as you like, but I will not change the way I write, for you or for anybody(without good reason that is.). Regards, Kiril | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 446 Registered: 01-2004 |
This is my very last attempt to let Kiril see true reason and logic, as many attempts by myself and others of this board have failed. I will post a translation of the book Arahat Athersata over which is right on the dot about this, these are parts of appropiate texts. I think that the words of a pure spiritform collective named ARAHAT ATHERSATA should be read, and anyone who read this should make his or her own conclusions, in order for a human spiritform to reach this level, one has to have overcome a evolutionary timespan of about 70,000,000,000 years. Here it goes: 534. Im Laufe der vom Erdenmenschen vielgerühmten Entwicklung, von der er so gerne als dem Zeitalter der Aufklärung spricht, drängte er seinen rein menschlichen Verstand und seine von ihm vielgepriesene materielle Intelligenz nach und nach als überwiegende Faktor in den Vordergrund. 535. Seine rein materiell-intellektuelle Gehirnarbeit wurde ihm zur wichtigsten Form der Entwicklung, wordurch zwangläufig die wahre Form des Bewusstseins bösen Schaden erleiden musste. 572. Leider spielen aber gerade da Faktoren des menschlichen Unverstandes und der Unvernunft mit, denn viele, die die Wahrheit hören, versuchen mit materiell-intellektuellen Denkformen die Wahrheit zu ergrunden und stossen so zwangläufig auf Widersprüche. 573. Dies darum, weil die materiell-intellektuelle Denkform fehlerhaft und rein menschlich ist und die Wege des geistig-intellektuellen Denken nicht zu erfassen vermag. 574. Dies kann nur dadurch ausgeschaltet werden, indem die Jünger die Lehre der Wahrheitkünder erfassen und in sich aufnehmen, ohne nach den ihnen sowieso unverständlichen Ursachen der Wahrheit zu forschen. 575. Dadurch erlangen sie im Laufe der Zeit enormes geistiges Wissen (Anm. Wissen um die geistigen Belange) mit der daraus resultierende Fähigkeit, die dann in Erscheinung tretenden Fragen durch die Weisheit ihres eigenen Bewusstseins zu lösen. 576. Suchen sie aber in ihren ihnen noch eigenen Unverstande nach Begründungen und Ursachen der Wahrheit, dann gehen sie durch ihr materiell-intellektuelles Denken in die Irre und verfehlen gründlich ihr Ziel. 577. Will nämlich ein Aufgabe gelöst werden, dann muss für die Erarbeitung und Ausarbeitung der Lösung erst das erforderliche Wissen und Können erschaffen werden. 578. Dies ist ein unumgängliches Gesetz. TRANSLATION: 534. In the course of the much-praised development from the earth people, of which he speaks so fondly as of the age of enlightenment, he pushed his purely human mind and his much-praised material intelligence bit by bit as the prevailing factor into the foreground. 535. His purely material-intellectual cerebral work became to him as the most important form of development by which inevitably the true form of the consciousness had to suffer bad damage. 572. However, unfortunately, the factors of human irrationality and the unreason join in just there, because many who hear the truth try to fathom the truth by material-intellectual means and inevitably stumble upon apparent contradictions. 573. This because the material-intellectual thinking is flawed and purely human and is unable to grasp the ways of the spiritual-intellectual thinking. 574. This can be only eliminated when the students grasp the teachings of the truth bringer and absorb it in themselves without doing research after the for them incomprehensible causes of the truth. 575. Over the course of the time they acquire enormous spiritual knowledge (n. a knowledge concerning the spiritual interests) with the resulting ability to solve appearing questions by the wisdom of their own consciousness. 576. If they still seek, in their irrational thinking for substantiations and causes of the truth, then they fall through their material-intellectual thinking into confusion and fail thoroughly their purpose. 577. If a task should be solved, then the necessary knowledge and skill must be created for the development and elaboration of the solution. 578. This is an unavoidable law. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, then any knowledge you have." | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 12-2005 |
Jacob(Post No.446): First and foremost, thankyou kindely for your efforts in the translation of this portion of text from the ARAHAT ATHERSATA. I have some questions, if you don't mind : 1 - What is a material-intellectual-thinking? I gether that it is synonymus with - Material Consciousness: The material consciousness is the human brain, the cerebrum (big brain), - The direct - It personifies the force in human in which all functions of decision-making, all thought-processes, considerations and deliberations and also speculations, etc, etc are executed, so thus actual thinking. (Ref - http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/4224.html) 2 - What is 'spiritual-intellectual-thinking'? Is this merely implying learning the teachings of the "truth bringer?" 3 - So after we learn the teachings of the "truth bringer," we are not supposed to find why-how this is the 'truth'm because it is "incomprehensible" : why is it so? (Ref - Line No.574) 4 - In line No.535 we are told that 'material-intellectual-thinking' is,"flawed and purely human." Am I to understand here that m-i-t is flawed because the human sences are limited in their range of percpetion? And yet through m-i-t it is possible to overcome this barrier by constructing instruments that allows us to escape these limitations - It is possible, through the understanding of causel relations in nature(the nature of certain phenomenon) - by an understanding of the limits of our sensory perception, to gain knowledge through logical and consistent deliberation of these factors. Interestingly enough, in co-incidence with my current reading of the author Carlos Castaneda, I was beginning to consider that my current perception of nature as a complex system of reducible phenomenon, graspable through systematic experimentation, might be a too greater assumption. This consideration occured before I read your post No.446 and when I did read it, it magnified its plausibility. I am in confliction however because from a scientific and philosophical stand point I consider that man is fully capable to grasp and act upon nature without limit - for this is upon which my whole career in the sciences is built-on. I'm very much interested in your answer to, what is for me, a very pressing issue. Kind Regards, Kiril | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 729 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Kiril, Could you please re-phrase your "conflict" in terms we can all understand. This might help those not fluent in English to participate in this discussion. Thank you. Scott-Moderator | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 447 Registered: 01-2004 |
Kiril, I think you should use deductive reasoning and provide us with your answers and insights, it could be interesting to read your thoughts which rely solely on your own thinking instead being influenced or based on my answers, or are an reaction to my answers. I am especially interested about your thoughts about the spiritual intellect and material intellect. I have written many posts about this topic on the forum go ahead and read them. Let us know what you think. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, then any knowledge you have." | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 12-2005 |
Scott: I assume you mean this paragraph : "I am in confliction however because from a scientific and philosophical stand point I consider that man is fully capable to grasp and act upon nature without limit - for this is upon which my whole career in the sciences is built-on." If this is the case : By Philosophical, I am implying - the study and discovery, through simple observations and the application of LOGIC, of universal truths and mans relation to the universe - such as, the Law of Identity - The Law of Causality, and so forth. By Scientific, I am implying - the study and discovery, through empiricism, by specalised(Biology-Physics-Chemistry) sciences, of the nature of reality - the 'laws' that govern phenomenon like Gravity, Magnetism, Heat, and so forth. These fields of study engender mans persuit for knowledge, what we may call material-intellectual-thinking, based on the defenition I provided in my previous post. When I say - "I consider that man is fully capable to grasp and act upon nature without limit" - I am expressing my belief that reality may be understood in these terms, completely - and that through this understanding man gains unlimited power to act-upon-it, that is, with this understanding only mans imagination is the limit of his abilities. My conflict arises as a product of line No.573 in Jacobs translation of ARAHAT ATHERSATA(stating that there exist some element of nature that may not be understood through m-i-t), and the fact that I based my career in the sciences on this belief. Regards, Kiril | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 12-2005 |
Jacob: Great idea, give me a few days to collect information and think - and don't worry I'll get to your Post No.445 aswell. Kiril | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum members Wow! finally after all these years the UN will debate contact with ET civilization, what a turn around, not that any attempt wasn't made by the various people who have been involved in this, I gather its a culminations of all those people's efforts that have resulted in this and now our humanity has finally reached a starting point for better things to come in relation to ET reality. www.peaceinspace.net www.gaiaguys.net/UN-ET.06 thanks for pointing this out Dyson peace be with you | ||
Consolato Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 10-2005 |
Kiril, in regards to your post number (25) to me which was in reference to my post number (50) to you, I think you missunderstood what i was getting at there in that post. I didn't post that post (50) because I wanted to seriously know the meaning of that mathematical culculation you posted there. I posted my post (50) there as a joke merely as a means to try to lighten up you and everyone else in this thread from being so serious and at each others throut so to speak. Thats all. Judging by the ammount of happy smileys I post in that (50) post of mine there I thought that this was obvious that was what i was trying and intending to do there in that (50) post of mine. Here is that (50) post of mine - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Consolato addressed to Kiril - "But Kiril, when you offer us your spiritual wisdom, could you please for my benefit try to speak using less complex words and terms when you do, thanks greatly." Originally posted by Kiril reply back to Consolato - "Consolato:..............The mathematical equivalent would be : [6.f(s)] + 10 = 16(sic)." that went straight over my head! ------------------------------------------------------------------- just trying to get everyone in this thread here to lighten up a little bit more is all. Con | ||
Consolato Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi dyson, is it possible for you to put a search function at your gaiaguys website? You have so much information listed there at that website that a search function would come in very handy indeed there. many thanks Con Hi Con, In the future, possibly you should attempt to contact Dyson via e-mail. I have his e-mail address, but since I can't locate it on his website I will not post it unless he says it's ok. Thanks Scott | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 570 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi there Junior, Kiril and ALL.... Very very WELL said Junior!! I FULLY agree with you. Like Marc Juliano would say: "The postings are becoming like a RUNWAY TRAIN! With NO END!" And which I would credit his comment. We should all try and Generate POSITIVE Energy to Kiril, and not GANG UP..on him. And as Junior mentioned: It does not matter whom has More Knowledge than...whom ever...etc. This is NO EGO Contest..or seeing whom has the highest IQ...Spiritual Knowledge...etc....etc. It is very Good and Healthy that there are people like Kiril, and individuals like Kiril: we should lend a hand and reach out to him and supplement him with Billy's Experiences and The Teachings of the Spirit. If he can not Grasp it as of yet, give him the time to try and to absorb it all. STEP BY STEP... We should just ANSWER his questions or comments with Short and Knowledgeable answers. And Not get into One's OWN Analysis of whom he is and his personality...and so forth. We are here to Study Billy's Materials and NOT anyone's Personal Personality, Character, Ego,....etc...etc. "Do Not Fuel The Fire....When It Is ALREADY Raging!!" So, if One has enough of Kiril: JUST IGNORE HIM! It is as simple as that! Please THINK...SMILE people. The HARDER you make it on Kiril...The Harder he WILL make it for YOU! Pleasant Posting People, and remember: We are here to post about Billy Meier and his experiences, and The Teachings Of The Spirit...he brings ANEW...to us ALL. And Not to - EGO TRIP -...whom has the most Knowledge... etc...etc. "Just: LOOK, ABSORB...and UNDERSTAND!" Its as Simple as that.... And Remember what Andrew once said about:"Talkativeness"! Maybe some here, may have to read what Andrew had to say about this?? Pleasant Studying.... Edward. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear edward What an irresponsible comment that you've made here seeing as you are also supposedly a knower of the truth brought to us by billy and the plejarens. Come on edward, if what to you after reading the previous posts is merely some busied bodied response from that of Jacob, and others like myself on the previous post in response to Kiril then you are gravely mistaking everyones position and that of Figu. What is the purpose of the spiritual teachings? Its intended purpose isn't merely there for our curiosity and enjoyment but for us to learn to integrate its wisdom filled creational natural laws and commandments to our lives in the way we think, feel and act so that we learn to distinguish between what is just and right from what is wrong and degenerate. Truly if I can recommend some things to you, go back and really read from the start all the previous post by Kiril that culminated in Jacob, myself and others responding the way we did. If you think it was harsh, then use your reason why we said what we said in response to what Kiril had wrote, and if you still cannot see the reasons why then consult the spiritual teachings once again so that you may see it. If there is one thing we shouldn't tolerate as the knowers of the truth and the creational natural laws and commandments, its in tolerating and giving credence to the degeneracies that the whole purpose of the spiritual teachings were brought to us to rectify and amend. This thread is after all MISCELLANEOUS. Kiril's response as I see is not unlike that of an irresponsible child wanting to play with matches and set everything on fire, if you were his parents, although you aren't, would you let him play with it as much as possible or would you in all reason show him why its dangerous to play with them and teach him all merits of preserving his life and that of others. Please use your reason, although everyone is afforded the right to make mistakes and they have their time in which to learn from them just like everybody else, this process isn't what we are criticizing, it's in the dangerous attitude that sows the seed for potential evil that is so apparently the cause of our humanity's decline and possible total destruction and trust me this is not an over the top reaction and a personal opinion of mine, if you want answers just look around. It's because of the self justification and self righteousness that president bush feels about his position as the saviour of humanity that in his magalomania and the God's chosen, he be the one to free the world from terrorism and impose his relgious beliefs as a christian to the rest of the world and ignore all forewarnings of the imminent destruction of the world trade centre which he knew months before but let his own people die a terrible death in 9/11. It's because of the self righteousness in his belief that his decision is right and to uphold the Russian pride that president Putin refused all international help to rescue the sunken Kursk below the barent sea that condemned the crew to a horrible suffocating death and now who can truly answer to the children of the dead when they ask "where is daddy'? It's because of self righteousness in his belief that he was contributing to his countries cause in solidifying the security of his nation that Dr Oppenheimer loving his country so dearly was one of the foremost person who developed and tested the atom bomb which as it stands to reason was one decision he along with the rest of the world has or is paying for. It's the self justification and self righteousness in seeing himself next to God that chairman Mao brought on the cultural revolution in china that resulted in many millions of people being put to death because his communist ideology was more important than his people's lives. There are countless other horrible examples that you may in all reason and purpose see for yourself and ask why? what is the cause of man's decline? read the articles in FIGU from billy and you'll get the picture. So you see why as a member of this forum we cannot let unreason rule without a good cause both on this forum and that of our everyday life if we can help it. peace be with you | ||
Consolato Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi edward, Well said and I fully agree with everything you had just said there as well as with what junior had said before too. Kiril, I apologize for attacking you somewhat before in this thread, and say lets both just leave that all behind and lets just start off new again. Con | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 12-2005 |
Edward : Exactley what type of person do you believe I am? There is nothing wrong with the preceeding dialogue, it has all been usefull, wether it be in reaching the current end-point of discussion - or in presenting the state of mind of those who participated. Your pity and defence of - "persons like Kiril" - is ill-placed. Even the false conclusions Newinitiation and Jacob have drawn about my character have been usefull - at least to me - but only indirectly so. There is one acception to my comments above - and that is the over-extended length of the dialogue. This is due, in-majoirty, to the lack of real understanding of the Philosophy and Science given by the Plejarens(<- me included) - and Philosophy and Science in general, of the participating memebers of this discussion. [If you want quick evidence of this, check my initial question to the FIGU Discussion Board - their answers - and my final conclusion!] ---- Consolato: Get a grip of your self! there is nothing to apologies about, espacially from you! I don't accept your apology! ---- To the reader of this dicussion: I ask you to striken from your considerations, the idiotic and self fulfilling comments\conclusion of Newinitiation, of his last two posts in this dicussion. I caution you that they represent only the blurred, self contrived, version of the truth. ---- Kiril | ||
Consolato Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 10-2005 |
Originally posted by Consolato addressed to Kiril - "Hi edward, Well said and I fully agree with everything you had just said there as well as with what junior had said before too. Kiril, I apologize for attacking you somewhat before in this thread, and say lets both just leave that all behind and lets just start off new again. " Originally posted by Kiril addressed to Consolato - "Consolato: Get a grip of your self! there is nothing to apologies about, espacially from you! I don't accept your apology!" Originally posted before both posts above were posted by Consolato addressed to Kiril - "I don't see or think that theres anything important that you are saying in your posts which makes me think I should warrant any of my time reaching and searching through a dictionary just to see what a word(s) in your posts means, just so I can know exactly what your saying in one of your sentences, paragraphs or saying in entire post. I believe what the plejarens have said is the reasons why most earthpeople talk in this (complex) manner, which is usually just to impress or to showoff to others so they can feed their ego." -------------------------------------------------------- Kiril, I never expected to get such a cold and disrepectfull post that i got back from you there after what i had said to you. Anyway just letting you know that I have got a grip on myself, have you? p.s my english writing is not the best but I'd advise you not to go making the simple mistake of judging my intellectual status by it, because that would be a careless mistake on your part if you do because my IQ status happens to be on the high side of average. No offence Kiril, but at any future time if you reply back to me in the same cold and disrespectful manner again as you just did in your previous post to me, I'll post something about you which is in regards to some of the things you had previously posted in this thread so far which would make you look like your a lot less intelligent then what you make out to everyone that you are, and in the process of posting that post, through no fault of my own that post would also show to others where in fact we both stand up against each other on the intellectual scale too. If I do that, I wouldn't be doing it to put you down in anyway but would only be doing it purely to help you overcome that problem of yours which is the habitual self glorification of the ego. I also like to say that for someone who likes portraying themselves to others as a very intellectual person as you do as well as for someone who likes portraying themselves to others as though they have a considerable ammount of spirit knowledge too, you sure don't act like that type of person who would have those two particular types of qualities dude. I think, far from it in fact. Anyway after this post I will continue to be nice as well as treat you in a respectful manner too, but if you choose to treat me in stark contrast to how I treat you or reply back to this post in the same disrespectful manner as you did in your prior post to me, then i will post that above post that I said i would which would question some of the things you said in your past prior posts and then after I do that, then I'll choose to respectfully ignore you as well as your future posts until such time that you start showing some decent level of respect for your fellow man. regards Con | ||
Consolato Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 10-2005 |
Kiril, i also forgot to add there that if you aren't aware when somebody is attacking your judgement of good character like I needlessly was before there (as mentioned in my post above), then maybe you should be the one and not me who should get a grip of themselves. Then maybe you might then wake up to yourself about how intelligent you know you really are and not what you think you are, because only a fool wouldn't know when somebody was blatantly attacking their judgement of good character like i did to you before a couple of pages back from here. But you say to me - "Consolato: Get a grip of your self! there is nothing to apologies about, espacially from you! I don't accept your apology!" ??????? Perhaps the reason for you not being able to see this simple act i did to you has something to do with that little problem of yours which is related to the habitual self glorification of the ego. I really wouldn't know if this is a problem of yours because I'm not a pyschologist. I'm just guessing it might be based on my limited understanding and knowledge of pyschology which is 0. Anyway, I'm still happy and would also prefer too if we could both just stop treating each other like we have been and lets just try to treat/see the other as being just another friend we both know/have at this excellent forum here, that is if you are happy to do that too. Thats what i prefer to do anyway instead of this crap between us that has been, but its your choice what you would like to do. Con | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 12-2005 |
Consolato: As I already mentioned, I don't see anything offensive in your disqualification of my writing as worthy of consideration, from your point of view. You have done nothing offensive towards me! - In fact, your attempt to 'lighten up the situation', merits praise from me, to you! As a matter of policy, I do not accept anything which I have not earned, wether: money - power - love - guilt or gratitude! - I am also very keenly aware of what consitutes these qualities, in wo/men. Also, I would like to assure you that I don't engage in any form of theatrics. Regards, Kiril | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 12-2005 |
Jacob: Ok Jacob, Personally I thought we were making some head-way, at least in the last couple of posts. Until you mentioned it in your last post I could not say I was aquainted, formally, with syllogistic or predicate logic - contrary to your assertion, I have'nt the slightest clue which one is more valid. Exactly where do I "lean on" syllogistic logic - and with what formal postulate, of the said thoery, am I in concurance with? I don't have any interest in these matters,yet, this is a step-ahead of the current development of my thinking. My primary interest concerns itself with the nature and development of abstraction - with the relationship between concepts and concrete-perceptual-data. I have only minor understanding of linguistics, but I dare-say your critique of the English language is very weak, even laughable - as can be seen cleary(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=people), all the defenition are related, conceptually, and that only the context of their application changes. How does this disqualify the English langauge from validity or lucidity? I won't go into what you have and have'nt, "...tried to show..." - or rather - were able to show, I do however express my desire to continue on this subject, in its current state, with you. As for your last comments - if what you know, as being the truth, is indicated by the information you have posted on this board - then you are severly mistaken - that you know them "beyond any uncertainty." (If you mean simply, that you know what your talking about in the context of the information provided by the Plejarens, then what follows does not apply to you.) I know this because the 'Spiritual Teachings' are composed of 5 fundumental components, as I see it, underwhich all others may be placed: Philosophy - Phsycology - Energetics(The fundumental study of energy) - Cosmology - Biophysics(this one is under question), all 5 components are naturally interelated. This is important to my argument because out of the five only one may be studied through common-sence observations, and pure-logic, that is, Philosophy(the mother of all the others). The others are scientific in nature - even if only studied in a qualitative sence they require more then just common-sence observations and deductions, in the course of their comprehension and application!(I have described in my previous posts what this -'more'- is.) Do you have anything to show for it? - Have you done anything with it? ---- Note most carefully - That you cannot prove, unequivocally, that 'The Creation' or 'The Spirit' exist does no invalidate the philosphical(and even the phsycological) aspects of the 'Spiritual Teachings'. Note - I assure you that your energy is, well spent. In the course of the further dissemniation of the 'Spiritual Teachings', many minds, not unlike my own, will walk this same path and will benefit from your contribution. We are not far from a conclusion. Regards, Kiril | ||
Consolato Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 10-2005 |
Originally posted by Kiril addressed to consolato - "Consolato: As I already mentioned, I don't see anything offensive in your disqualification of my writing as worthy of consideration, from your point of view. You have done nothing offensive towards me! - In fact, your attempt to 'lighten up the situation', merits praise from me, to you!" Kiril, well i think you did deserve to hear that apology from me before because i did say some negative things about you before in an attempt to attack your integrity. I guess i might have misunderstood you before when you were saying in that post that you reject my apology to you after i had apologized to you. I guess you noticed how I got upset with you in my two post above over you rejecting my apology to you before. I honestly thought you had rejected my apology because of some other particular reason then you did but perhapos i just misunderstood you there and you just didn't mean it like that instead of how i thought you might have meant it there. But instead it looks like you were telling the truth to me all along about why you had rejected my apology to you, which was because you honestly never saw no reason for me to be apologizing to you there, even though i quoted my negative assumptions that i said about you there in that post too?? But if your happy with leaving it at that, then i am too Kiril. How about from now on we both just try to get along with each other as well as lets try to see each other as friends too. Lets both also try to show some respect for the thoughts of our good fellow forum members here too, shall we, or else if we don't they might not want to show us much respect back for our thoughts. Kiril, I think the best thing for us to both do if we both want to stop these silly sort of negative arguements from happening that we both just had is for us in the future to always keep in mind that we are conversing with our good fellow forum memebers and friends here. In short i think we should both just always try to show a good level of respect for everyone else here and also to be nice to everyone too. I think that should solve our little arguementive problem that we both have, don't you think. I'm glad we both got that all sorted out Kiril. from another one of your good fellow forum member and friends that you have the pleasure of knowing at this fabulous forum here, Con . | ||
Consolato Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Con, In the future, possibly you should attempt to contact Dyson via e-mail. I have his e-mail address, but since I can't locate it on his website I will not post it unless he says it's ok. Thanks Scott Hi scott, i did send an email to dyson asking that question but his email address no longer exists and is why i posted that question to him here. Con | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2005 |
Consolato: A few things to straighten out from your post : - You and I are not friends - in the true sence of the word. - I give respect to those who have earned it.(That means that before I get to know this certain individual I am indifferent) - It was not a negative arguement - that is, the outcome is not/will not be negative. Kiril | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 262 Registered: 06-2000 |
Kiril ; I mean this with all sincerity and respect that one human should have for another . Nothing personal . Maybe you could get over yourself just a little , that you are not the center of importance for everyone here . I mean , you really try very hard to assert yourself as an intellectual force , which is highly unimpressive for someone who hasn't aquainted himself with the material . However , your attention to detail is a really good thing , IF you attend to the detail in your own thought processes and QUIT trying to make everyone do your thinking for you , having to explain and qualify every little thing . You act in a very typical manner that so many have in the past . Perhaps you are the same person , who returns for the same purpose repeatedly ? An obvious agenda ? Try not to have a fit when you read my post . Mark Campbell | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 114 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear mark How perceptive of you in your analysis of the hidden agendas in which Cyril's facade aka Kiril could not deceptively hide for long. Who is paying you Kiril, cyril? You sure you were born in 1984? or couldn't you continue engaging in your theatrics for which you didn't assure? Thanks markc for pointing this out, at least for now we can continue with our lives peacefully in harmony without kiril. peace be with you | ||
Consolato Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 10-2005 |
Originally posted by Kiril - Consolato: A few things to straighten out from your post : - You and I are not friends - in the true sence of the word. - I give respect to those who have earned it.(That means that before I get to know this certain individual I am indifferent) - It was not a negative arguement - that is, the outcome is not/will not be negative. kiril, You honestly think i meant everything i said in that post? Couldn't you workout what i was trying to do there with you in my previous post to you? Obviously not. I realized you were incable of seeing the point of what i was trying to say to you about that apology incident, so I gave up with you there on that, and then turn to trying to make friends with you, then used our newly formed ficticous friendship to try to show you how one should act around here as well as treat other people around here at this forum too, which was all aimed for your benefit in helping you cut down having these silly arguements that your constantly having with everyone. Where i have had any arguements with anyone else before at this forum? I haven't. But you honestly thought that i meant everything i said in that post where i said i had the same sort of agruementive problem as you. i don't, and the only reason i got upset with you after you rejected my sincere and courteous apology to you down, was in the way in which you said it. You used it to put me down to put urself and ur ego up - "Consolato: Get a grip of your self! there is nothing to apologies about, espacially from you! I don't accept your apology!" very thoughtful, courteous and nice. kiril, please for everyone's benefit including your own, respect all other people's views, stop being so adamant and in everyone's face with your own views and also stop acting like such a mr know it all too. Con | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 12-2005 |
Markc: I disagree with every position you take. In the future I suggest when making such wild assertions, to try to at-least back them up with some proof, I could'nt find any. If you would please explain further, giving some objective reasons why you think this way, I would be inclined to actually consider and discuss your points-of-view. If not, don't bother posting such trash - it does good to no one. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 12-2005 |
To the FIGU Discussion Board : As of Markc's post I have been reminded of a debt which I owe to the members of this board - a plea for the acceptance of my apologies(but one): This is infect my second appearance to these forums. In my previous 'incarnation' as Cyril I decided to leave the forum prematurely, this was the result of an irrational premise in my thinking, at the time. In leaving, in my final posting as Cyril, followed an equally irrational outburst towards the members of this forum(but one). In my return I ask you sincerely, to accept my apology for this foolish act. Yours, Kiirl | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 12-2005 |
Newinitiation: My hidden agenda? - to assert my self as an intellectual force? - to try!? to make others do my thinking for me? - Man oh man! - I don't understand, what exactly am I hiding, please tell me? I never tried to decieve anyone - if you check my last post(last couple I think) as Cyril I have given my real name as Kiril! No one is paying me anything and I'm most definently born in 1984. What all this has to do with living your life in harmony is totally beyond me. ---- Consolato: Obviously I could'nt work it out - why not try speaking directly next time, instead of dancing roud-about what your actually trying to express. Your suggestions are well heard - no further re-iteration is necessary. That I do not act upon it should tell you that I don't consider it applicable to my case. ---- I'd prefer that all this comes to a stop now, my only concern atm is to finish my thinking/research/writing on the topics Jacob and I reached in our discussion. If you want to give me some adivce - tell me how horrible I am - or why you feel so offended - or anything along those lines, it would be much better that we resolve it by email/MSN rather then wasting the time of the moderators and readers of this discussion board! - And blurring the progression of the aforementioned discussion to a point of unintelligability! [Ref - My email - k_man_mango@hotmail.com - feel free to mail me.] Kiril | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 730 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Consolato, I just received an e-mail from Dyson stating he was having problems with his e-mail. Here is the e-mail address that I used which seemed to work: gaiaguys@gaiaguys.net Regards Scott | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 263 Registered: 06-2000 |
Kiril ; In other words , you would like for me to read every word of all of your posts and give you my undivided attention . I don't have any more time for this . And now , you will continue to thrill us all with your remarkable remarks , which no doubt will cause some of us to spend all of their time considering , even though noone knows who you are . .take care of yourself .adios. Mark Campbell | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 12-2005 |
Quick question before I post my essay : In the progression of ones thoughts and ideas towards ever greater accord with nature/creation, scientifically and philosophically/Spiritually - and in the process of the spirits acceptance of these ideas : Does it accept both Philosophical/Spiritual knowledge and Scientific knowledge ? Does it store things like the prinicples of action and generation of gravity. The knowledge of the true nature of light and the equations that govern its valocity and production? That is, if one had an advanced spirit, such as that of Mr.Meiers, and was aware of these things - considering that in going through the 7 levels of evolution one becomes aware of all the Laws of Creation. Thanks, Kiril | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum members Has anybody read the latest translation efforts from gaiaguys on Kanon 49? What could the line 48 really mean when it states that "why, therefore, does he not master the technique of concentration, and why does he not order his unconsciousness and make full use of all his knowledge and ability". Could this indicate that through strengthening our concentration, we could gain better access to our subconscious mind and everything stored in it for us to be able to utilize it? It states through meditation, one can access this faculty. Does this mean that certain meditation methods can be learnt to fully access our subconscious mind and if so are they different exercises to the conventional ways of meditating? peace be with you | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum members Does anyone have information from either contact notes or from other sources why the old Gods who ruled this planet in the past were so malicious and degenerate? What was it within them besides possible genetic causes why they were so power hungry and evil? Did they also suffer from the effects of the aggressive genes? If they were Gods and some among them probably elevated themselves as one, why did they stray from the creational natural laws and commandments besides the thirst for power? Their legacy both good and evil still remains to this day, unbeknownst to most people here on earth who don't know about billy. Everyday encounters with various people around me and also from personal interaction with my own nature, I cannot escape how much the ego inside of me and that of others always comes to the forefront and govern how things will be. The pattern emerges again and again in various human interactions, it's mostly about the ego of people needing to stand out, wanting to prove that they are right, wanting to control other people or things around them, needing to feel smart, be bossy, craving attention, praise, profit, puting on a facade, placing appearance instead of substance as more important, showing contrived fake emotions, and on and on it goes. Where in ourselves could this thing called the EGO reside? why do we have to suffer from the effects of the beast called the EGO within us which makes so many things ugly and unbearable for each other? Can we genetically remove the causal gene, if there is one and alleviate the symptoms of its effect? Meditation is the way to taming this beast but the other side of the coin is, if it weren't for the ego how could we adequately protect ourselves from other people's ego driven forces that without adequate inner fortitude and strength, we wouldn't be able to carry on? I think this is nonetheless the effect carried from the past, we in this era need to deal with for our own evolution and development no matter what the pain suffered for chances are we would have caused it in the past with the help from the old GODs. peace be with you | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 12-2005 |
First Newinitiation, get your facts straight about people - part of the reason why these types of people occur is because they 'think' with their emotions - and since emotions are not valid tools of cognition - their actions are not always rational. And thesame may apply to your judgements. The situation also arises because mans consciousness is volitional in nature - he is capable of free will - and thus it is merely a matter of choice to think or not, to apply his consciousness effectivly to form an explicit and Creational-Philosophy of action in this Universe, or not. So to reduce the problem even further: it is the abuse or misus of mans consciousness that has brought about the many tragedies of antiquity and the bankrupt state of our current soceity. The solution is as follows : With Reason all else follows. Even if the problem is genetic man is not an animal, he sole means of cognition is not instinct, and therefore with the proper application of his consciousness he is able to over-come these false emotions. There are many other factors but what I've presented is the root or fundumental cause of the problem you describe. Note - The old Lyrians did not stray from the Creation-Philosophical-Principles, they chose not to grasp them - or rather those in power chose not to.(Most likely the form of goverment on their home planet was some form of military dictatorship.) I don't get this stuff about ego - What is your defention of the word ego? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, Newinitiation, the tapping into the power of thought and spirit can lead to MONSTROUS powers, as described by Jmmanuel in Chapter 21: 11. "Truly, truly, I say to you, if you are knowledgeable and comprehending and embrace wisdom, and if you practice love truthfully and do not doubt, not only will you do such things with blind eyes, but when you say to the fig tree: 'Dry up' it will dry up. Or when you say to a mountain: 'Lift yourself up and throw yourself into the sea,' it will come to pass. 12. "Be knowledgeable in truth and wisdom, so that your spirit and your consciousness will become powerful. 13. "And when you are knowledgeable and live in the truth of wisdom, your spirit and your consciousness will be filled with infinite power. But you have to 1.) learn how to do it, and 2.) be sufficiently evolved, which we Earthlings generally aren't. The technique, which differs to the many false method, is described in detail in Billy's book, "Introduction to Meditation" (German language only) The correct method deals with honest focused observation. Whereas the many false methods, popular today, deal with construction of fantasy. Kiril, I'm sorry to say that you do not know what you are talking about, and I do not have the time to try to straighten you out regarding the FIGU info. You must do this yourself. Also, please spell-check, as your posts are difficult for people from non-English-speaking backgrounds. Salome, Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Newinitiation, The reasons are varied and complex as to why the old gods generally were such villains. Some were bad before they arrived. Some went bad once they got here. It’s a VERY long and complex history, as you might imagine. The many answers you seek are in the German-language material, and I lack the resources to answer then for you here. But this might shed some light on the subject: www.gaiaguys.net/GodsHuman.htm Salome, Dyson | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 12-2005 |
Post Spell checked - apologies : First Newinitiation, get your facts straight about people - part of the reason why these types of people occur is because they 'think' with their emotions - and since emotions are not valid tools of cognition - their actions are not always rational. And the same may apply to your judgements. The situation also arises because mans consciousness is volitional in nature - he is capable of free will - and thus it is merely a matter of choice to think or not, to apply his consciousness effectively to form an explicit and Creational-Philosophy of action in this Universe, or not. So to reduce the problem even further: it is the abuse or misuse of mans consciousness that has brought about the many tragedies of antiquity and the bankrupt state of our current society. The solution is as follows : With Reason all else follows. Even if the problem is genetic man is not an animal, his sole means of cognition is not instinct, and therefore with the proper application of his consciousness he is able to over-come these false emotions. There are many other factors but what I've presented is the root or fundamental cause of the problem you describe. Note - The old Lyrians did not stray from the Creation-Philosophical-Principles, they chose not to grasp them - or rather those in power chose not to.(Most likely the form of government on their home planet was some form of military dictatorship.) I don't get this stuff about ego - What is your definition of the word ego? ---- Gaiaguysnet : "Kiril, I'm sorry to say that you do not know what you are talking about, and I do not have the time to try to straighten you out regarding the FIGU info" Yep, in concern to the Lyrians actions, it was only a guess - since I have been thinking, like Newinitiation, how can technological and scientific progress arise without philosophical progress - since the former is dependant on the latter. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear dyson Thanks once again for taking your precious time to answer what is seemingly an immature quetion Dyson. Since I've begun treading this path of spiritual enlightenment, although I cannot claim to have seen the light, nonetheless there are so many things about the human nature (I am included in it) which I have learnt because of billy and others such as yourselves who are dedicated to bringing to light to the world about his spiritual teachings and other related to the cause happenings. And in this process of discovery, the more apparent and acute the view becomes about the human nature according to my own observation which is also in line with what billy had said in the various articles and books. I don't know whether it's a transitional process for me going from knowing nothing about spiritual truths to knowing a little, but it feels akin to growing pains- a process of sheding the old self to developing a new one and in this process there is bound to be some very deep seated conflict occuring in the subconscious (a bit like the effect of future shock Alvin Toffler mentions). The realisation of the spiritual teachings into thought, feeling and deed that is permanent is my struggle at the moment. When I am in an objective Creational frame of mind, seeing the reality through the Creational truths affords me oneness with all people and things to some extent and in this instance, all negativity disappears for how could I dare to feel hate and anymosity towards my fellow human beings and all life if I can identify with them as if they were a part of my body- how could I simply say to my arm "you annoy me so I want to cut you off". But in many instances as I outlined on the previous post for which billy also mentions, life is a struggle and in amongst the struggles of each day, the respite I need, I in this current state, I cannot obtain for myself because I have yet to firmly establish the Creational frame of mind which together with all that encompassing the spiritual teachings, I cannot at this juncture achieve. The forces of the EGO is at this moment too strong for me and I realise it'll take many more years of effort to show some semblance of what it is that is being spiritual. Wow!, how wise and so full of wisdom billy and the plejarens are, it's as if all the encounters billy had with them documented as contact notes and all the information including the spiritual teachings seems so naturally delivered yet every minute details have been carefully considered to the extent that its as if they've uncovered every layer of our nature inside and out. The mirror image unravels itself more and more about the secret of our nature the more I read the information and in this encounter I also see the bad caused by the EGO. Maybe this is why I cannot help but sound as if I am regurgitating the information I've read. It's so amazing, so incomprehensively unfathomable how one becomes more intricately interwoven with the very truths provided the more one walks in it. Anyway thanks for understanding peace be with you | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Kiril Hi Kiril The definition of the EGO as I understand it is the "I" "ME" "Myself" with too much emphasis placed in ones own welfare not in proportion to self preservation requirements. The part of the self which comes to the forefront that defends onself from slight by others or what it merely imagines. The part of the self that says :I want this or that" at the expense of other people needs or in disregards to other people's needs. The part of the self that sits aloft, commanding, controlling, focused on oneself, aborbed in one's desires and wants. The part of the self that engages in petty rivalry, vengence, hate, negativity, meaness, ruthlessness, cruelty, degeneracies, enaging in addictive behaviour, fear, cowardice, lusting for power, terror, retaliation, greed, lust, envy, sloth, passion, wrath, vanity, ambition etc. The part of the self that engages in dominant behaviour, emotionalism and straying from true love, freedom, harmony and peace. peace be with you | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Newinitiation, Your gratitude for our work (which is merely duty: “the yoke that does not burden”) is very touching and encouraging. Thank you for your big bouquet! And my time is not THAT precious! I’m retired, and do my share of lying around doing very little, and Vivienne and I cannot think of a better way to spend our hours than working for The Mission. Nor are your questions “immature”, in my opinion. I think your reactions to the renewed teachings are healthy and a good sign of the transformation all of us are undergoing … we fortunate few who are so attracted to this wonderful material. When we finally found FIGU I’m not ashamed to say that we wept for joy for quite a while. We have never known such happiness, truth, knowledge, balance, beauty, harmony and peace. I never thought I COULD! My life has not been a bed of roses. Until now! :-) I once read that stress comes from unexpected events, and one’s stress level is roughly proportionate to the degree of unexpectedness (as well as, of course, seriousness), so sometimes people who – for instance – win a million dollars in the lottery, actually suffer all sorts of stress-related illnesses until they come to terms with the newly encountered truth. In a way, having to learn the German language first is a good way of attenuating the “shock of the new.” And yes indeed, Billy & Co. are wise well beyond anything I’ve EVER seen before! A QUANTUM leap above every historical philosopher and Great Thinker our beautiful blue planet has produced! But how could it be otherwise? Unfortunately, logic dictates that the reader her/himself has to be of a sufficient level of comprehension to appreciate just how wise Billy is. One can really only see to one’s own height, so to speak, if you take my meaning. Incidentally, everybody, take a deep breath and then check out Scott’s January 24th entry @ http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/3549.html Salome, Dyson | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dyson, I appreciate what you say about stress coming from the unexpected. People are creatures of habit, and we all want to find a comfort zone. Do you think one can acclimatize himself to stress, and therefore improve his capacity to successfully handle it, by routinely getting out of the comfort zone and doing unexpected or spontaneous things? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Jo_jo, I suppose that could help, but there are limits to scheduling unexpected things. It reminds me of the lady I know who has a self-imposed very tight timetable for her day’s tasks, so she schedules two 20 minute periods a day for “spontaneity”. My advice is – for what it’s worth – that the BEST way to get rid of stress, and all those other pesky negative thoughts/feelings, is to jump headfirst into Billy’s writings and learn the TRUTH, which not only sets us free from things like stress, but (and here’s the secret Wendelle Stevens kept out of his translations) it also EMPOWERS us, with its elemental force, to master our own destiny, which we then forge into the sort of life we want …. unless of course we are already so addled by false religious teachings, etc., that we masochistically desire only penance, superficial diversions or some such. Anyway, it works for us, and if you take a look at our opening page, you’ll see what we’re up against. Cheers, and good luck! Dyson | ||
Dplotmach Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 09-2004 |
Well, as I have written several times, my website-adress is www.freewebs.com/haavardro. I hope someone from FIGU could take a look at it, because I'm unsure on what they think about putting up pictures/prophecies on it. In case write to me! | ||
Mtbstephen Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 12-2005 |
hey all! eveyone here heard of that chick Sylvia Browne? whats her deal???? shes making a lot of predictions that line up with meier. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 129 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Mtbstephen, I've heard & seen Silvia Brown give many amazing examples of her so-called "psychic abilities", everywhere from the Montel Williams show (An american talk show that deals with peoples dramatic experiences from the angle of phsychology)whom adores her to the Coast to Coast talk show radio with George Noory. I do not watch tv much anymore so I have not seen much. I have however heard her on coast to coast, where I heard many of her predictions. These predictions did have a ring to them, and some of them are not too specific and if I remember correctly her success rate (whether prophecy or prediction?) is 60%-80% **last I checked** which isn't bad! One way to know at-least something that may assist you significantly, or not, is ask Billy on the next round. However, Meiers track record **as far as I'm aware** is 100% I then ask you this stephen... what specific things have you heard...(specific) that directly related to Meiers information, which shouldn't be too hard considering he's discussed everything under the sun (practically). And, this too. If you've found a source that's for all we know completely accurate, why then would we care to quote any other source that's anything less that correct? Personally, I hope all of Meiers PROPHECIES GET PROVED 0% RIGHT. Because this means that we have averted the negative prospect of that prophecy, which, by (Plejaren/Meier) definition serves the purpose of that prophecy. Now I am aware of Sylvia mentioning a distinction between PREDICTION & PROPHECY, but does her definition accord with the truth? Hey maybe you can show us some examples of when her predictions/prophecies matched up with Billy Meiers. I am very interested in seeing this! Wisdom in Discernment, Tim | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 07-2004 |
Sylvia Brown was just recently caught live on George Noory's www.coasttocoastam.com radio broadcast, saying she felt that the 13 coal miners who were recently trapped on the east coast, would be found. She made this statement right after George announced that 12 had been found alive. Well, 1 hour later it was announced that they were found dead. She tried to imply she never said they would be found "alive", just found. Only a fool would not see through her phoniness after her bad "prediction" live on the air. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum members In the contact notes the plejarens state that their early ancestors had mastered and utilized the power of electrons that is everywhere in the universe and their current flight technology is a further advanced type using the electrons and harnessing it's powers. Now our current level of scientific development on this field may be such that, this form of harnessing electrons to produce power source for flight technology has already been developed to some extent given that a lot of the UFO sightings are of terrestrial in origin according to the information. So if the science behind this technology comes from Quantum mechanics which is The theory developed from plank's quantum principles and heisenberg's uncertainty priniciple then would it be safe to assume that the mechanics for the flight technology involves utilizing the energy sourced from the allowance of according to Grand Unified Theory quarks changing into anti-electrons and in the reverse process anti-quarks turning into electrons, and electrons and anti-electrons turning into anti-quarks and quarks? Because on the small scale of atoms and molecules, electromagnetic forces dominate, the electromagnetic attraction is caused by the exchange of large numbers of virtual massless particles of spin 1(photons) and when an electron changes from one allowed orbit to another nearer to the nucleus, energy is released and a real photons is emitted as visible light (light is also energy) and equally if a real photon collides with an atom (imagine a craft colliding with the atoms in the air), an electron from an orbit nearer the nucleus can be moved to one farther away thereby the source of the power for the craft can be harnessed from this perpetual activity of electrons which is infinite. The priniciple behind the flight technology must according to my understanding would involve a system that is designed to regulate the recoil from the interaction between matter particles of interger spin-0,1,or 2 which emits a force-carrying particle therby changing the velocity of matter particles which is absorbed upon collision with other matter particles which in turn changes the velocity of the second particle. The fact about force carrying particles is that they do not obey the exclusion principle which means there is no limit to the number that can be exchanged thereby giving rise to strong force. Where would Mercury fit into all this? What properties about mercury does it give rise to this stuff being utilized for flight technology or have been written about it to do so? Because gravity is the weakest force out of the four forces known, I cannot comprehend how gavitons although undetected as of yet could be utilized for the purpose of anti gravity devices. The term 'anti gravity' seems erroneous. I appeal to those who are well versed in theoretical physics. I know none peace be with you | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 03-2004 |
Ho ho, Newinitiation! You are going to LOVE this! Crandall's vacuon theory. The truth is simple and elegant. Please see www.gaiaguys.net/masons.vacuons.htm Enjoy! Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Dyson Fantastic, I can't wait to purchase the book from Dr Crandall As one reviewer of this book commented, ' A nobel prize wouldn't be enough", I agree. Gees I am beginning to believe that there is nothing new under the sun afterall :-) Man what haven't you covered in your website Dyson, it's truly remarkable. Take care | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 12-2005 |
Newinitiation: Are you are student of phsycis? - for what reason do you wish to persue these issues? In any case interesting topic of discussion - I'm not a theoretical physicist but gravity is a very interesting topic for me - if you don't mind I would like to share a few comments and suggestions: First, I want to understand your theory for producing gravitational flight technology. Below are two paragraphs - the second of these paragraphs represents my attempt at understanding your theory, the theory itself is presented as a direct quote in the first paragraph. Please compare them and inform me if I’m on the right track? "...to regulate the recoil from the interaction between matter particles of interger spin-0,1,or 2 which emits a force-carrying particle therby changing the velocity of matter particles which is absorbed upon collision with other matter particles which in turn changes the velocity of the second particle. The fact about force carrying particles is that they do not obey the exclusion principle which means there is no limit to the number that can be exchanged thereby giving rise to strong force. " “The priniciple behind the flight technology must according to my understanding would involve a system that is designed” - - to direct the recoil(in the form of an emitted particle) from the interaction between atoms (or do you mean protons or electrons or..?)[ “..of interger spin-0,1,or 2" do atoms and protons spin? ] which emit an accelerating particle (- or radiation?)(Force-carrying?)[I’ve never heard of such an interaction?]. In this event, when the particle is restrained to the immediate area-of-creation(Ref-“regulate”), the energy from this particle may be absorbed by other atoms(or..?) in close proximity. Thus, this absorption of energy produces acceleration(“change the velocity”) in these atoms and hence forth a chain reaction is produced where the velocity of the interacting atoms is exponentially increasing, this intern produces thrust. This is only possible because, unlike the electron, the emitted particle(-or radiation?), as a result of atom interaction, is not bound to a finite any energy state within the atom? Note - a photon refers to a quanta of radiation - not some kind of base-ball-like corpuscle of energy shooting through space - that also excludes the idea of rays or pencils of energy. ---- Kiril | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 12-2005 |
Gaiaguysnet: In your post No.98 - From the link: www.gaiaguys.net/masons.vacuons.htm - under the text - "A real, Single-CONE antigravity device. Note the plasma that is produced, as a side effect." - the image does not represent an anti-gravity device - that is, it does not manipulate gravity as a means of flight. Rather this very small craft is powered by high energy, focused, radiation: The radiation is focused by a parabolic mirror under the craft in such a way as to cause a tremendous heating of the gases in that vicinity. The temperature is so great that it ionizes the gas, producing plasma, and a small explosion which propels the craft upwards.(The explosion can be heard very clearly) The connotation("Single-CONE ") that it is some-how related to the David Hamel 'Free Energy' device is also absurd.(The conical shape in this case is deployed to maxamize the airo-dynamic properties of the craft) --- Kiril | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Kiril, And the source of your information is .....? Dyson | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 12-2005 |
Gaiaguysnet - Ref - PostNo.99: Yes ofcourse, please excuse me: a - http://www.lightcrafttechnologies.com/ -->> http://www.lightcrafttechnologies.com/technology.html b - http://science.howstuffworks.com/light-propulsion1.htm c - http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6488233.html(Find the actual physics involved in this process here) I trust you will find this to be sufficient. ---- Kiril | ||
Greybears New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2006 |
Not sure where to ask this question so I'll place it here - please move if necessary and advise at the location if someone can answer my question - just recently discovere this site - http://serpo.org/ Can someone verify or deny any of the information here. Thanks Jim | ||
Daisy Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 10-2005 |
http://serpo.org i think coining christians phrase here would fit: This seems to be one of the many more inventions of the wide-spread esoteric nonsense | ||
Consolato Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 10-2005 |
http://serpo.org Project Serpo The Zeta Reticuli Exchange Program The gradual release of confidential documents pertaining to a top secret exchange program of twelve US military personnel to Serpo, a planet of Zeta Reticuli, between the years 1965-78 ----------------------------- I don't buy it either Greybears, because what type of advanced star travelling people/androids would want to associate or do anything with a bunch of low life power hungry army people. What do the ET's get out of doing that from a bunch of degenerate and meglomaniacal army people who only know how to war/kill their fellow man? They don't need our technology. Con | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Kiril, Thank you for your references. I think you have been misled, and your superficially highbrow postings make me wonder about how much really BASIC magnetohydrodynamics you understand, not to mention vacuons. Please don’t be offended by my candor, but if you can dish out the word, “absurd”, I trust you can take some blunt constructive criticism back from me in the same healthy vein. We are, after all, all just fellow truth seekers … ARE WE NOT? I was called an “electronics man” after my technical training (radar) and, even before that, when I was a boy, I was ionizing the argon in the air in any number of different weird and wonderful (and dangerous!) ways, so I know that it can be done very easily - and you’ll see much the same violet glow – any time you turn common old air into plasma. Now I’m going to ask you a rhetorical question, in spite of the fact that you are ignorant of the scientific material provided by the Plejaren. Given the extraordinary expensive, and extraordinarily subtle and cunning, efforts by the supranational Ruling Criminal Elite to derail and obscure the spiritual truth, do you seriously think that even greater efforts/resources would not be devoted to obscuring free energy and anti-gravity, which spell D-O-O-M for Big Pharma/Oil and all their stinking packs of slavering running dogs? Have you, at the very least, adequately informed yourself about the revelations of the hundreds of Disclosure Project insider whistleblowers? Their material is free on line, linked from here: www.gaiaguys.net/ufology.htm Please do look deeper into the motivations of the corporate media. www.gaiaguys.net/mediacorruption.htm And please try harder to recognize the true motivation (short-term pecuniary interests) of organizations like www.howstuffworks.com even if you still cannot see their “secret” symbolism displayed on their website for those of us who have trained their eyes to see. (Please see www.gaiaguys.net/symbols.htm ) Check out what the howstuffworks boys have to say about UFOs. Or crop circles. It puts the little effort you got caught by into some perspective. How DISPICABLE! But I do look forward to what Richard Crandall has to say to your assertions, because a serious researcher with your apparently high level of technical acumen will certainly be addressing your detailed scientific issues directly to him. All that glitters is not gold. Quite the contrary. Almost all that glitters in the corporate media is common iron pyrites. Good luck on your journey, Kiril. Please let me know if I can help further. By the way, how do you explain the Plejaren's beamship propulsion? Salome, Dyson P.S. In 1997 Billy addressed Project Serpo and its idiot offspring here: http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv7p438-444.htm | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello everyone, I just viewed a special show titled "ET's among us" on the Science channel on the friday show for "Discoveries this week". As surprising as this may sound they showed two photographs of Billy Meiers. A theoretical professor Dr. Kaza (something close) who studies Einstein's theory of Relativity (a fascinating piece of work one i'm trying to read as I write this)who seems to think that multiple universes exist and the possibility of civilizations far advanced in comparison to ours not only existing but being able to come in contact with us is close to 100% likely. In short he is open-minded. I say this because he states that out of all the worlds UFO pictures, abduction stories and UFO contact cases, only around 1% or a handful are genuine. And I'm pround to report that Dr. Kaze displayed Meiers photos as they discussed the one percent. He chose photo #83. This professor was also on Peter Jennings arm twisting "wast of time" UFO special last year. I say he was the hightlight if any in that 2 hour special where he discussed the possibility of traversing the vast distances of space through worm holes. Not to be confused with the broadcast on Feb 3 Fri 2006, he discussed the same concepts. I'm a student in Ohio and would be honored to have a professor who takes the Meier contacts seriously and even better, one who processes their implications with the same gravity. To me this fellow represents a healthy example for intelligent and open-minded Scientific research. By the way I DO NOT WATCH tv that much, but on the rare occasions I do it must be "The Science Channel". Salome friends, Tim | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 12-2005 |
Gaiaguysnet: - Newinitiation: From my post No.46 : "Note - a photon refers to a quanta of radiation - not some kind of base-ball-like corpuscle of energy shooting through space - that also excludes the idea of rays or pencils of energy." On second examination I wish to retract this assertion - I was mixing my understandings of photons and light - as false. My apologies. | ||
Wayne New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2004 |
04 Feb 2006; If these Lyrans made such a mess of Earthlings tell me please why would they incorporate such a code into Earth's aura other than for their own purposes of control (in the long run...mind you)? I view this as a power play, and anything these persons did here is mostly questionable. I find our ancestors as HORRID dispicable BEINGS...in ALL AREAS, ignoring their 33 foot height and their god like development. Any replies are most welcome! Wayne ..Albuquerque New Mexico TO MODERATOR: If this post is OKAY or not please do not hesitate to write me. Wayne | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Wayne and welcome! "they incorporate such a code into Earth's aura" Where did this idea come from I wonder? Certainly you are getting misinformation or DISinformation from somewhere other than the source, in so far as I can acertain. Is this maybe the code to which you refer? www.gaiaguys.net/kodex.htm This thing WORKS! It is WELL worth the relatively minor effort of teaching yourself the German language too I gotta agree with you about our ancestors! And I imagine our distant decendents will have the same thing to say about US! :-) But suggesting that there is an ET power play going on is like suggesting that's what a devoted nursing mother is doing to her precious baby. Peace, Dyson | ||
Wayne New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi There..In Australia: I Enjoy your WEBSITE My meaning is the LYRAN CODE...This is a IMPULSE CODE contained in the Earth's Magnetic sheild (Van Allen Belts..etc) placed there by our 'Glorious' forefathers; It is another name for THE PEACE MEDITATION; whereby the collective/individual prayers of US incite peaceful vibrations..covering the natural malicious Earth vibes. I am serious when I say POWERPLAY, and I will tell you why. When you have a SPECIES SUCH AS US EARTH PERSONS and when the genetic 'damage' to us is of a done and finished thing and when this damage is done to us of MANY different times and differing alien groups doing so over time and repeatedly over the aeons Then you've got a case of control of a people..for a purpose (s) of..??? This is the question I am trying out. I am studying German..and am a PASSIVE MEMBER and I am getting the Figu Spirit Lessons; They are awe inspiring..and your translations are helpful and inspiring as well. I am aware of your problem with your Comment Deleted SATANISTIC government; But mine is the king of 'em. My state of NEW MEXICO has similar climate as AU. High desert (5500 ft.) We have 10500 feet mountainrange as a backdrop (SANDIA MTS) Glad to hear from you with kind reghards; Wayne in ABQ. USA | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 127 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Kiril In response to your post 46. Kiril when you get to a certain level of understanding, although this isn't my vain attempt at blowing my own trumpet, you cannot escape the judgement that upon putting all the information thus far gained into a complete package, be it very limited in many ways by my own limitations, I will always be a student of everything not confined to one field or area of life. Living itself is for me a test and in conforming with billy's information, a perpetual spiritual lesson that each and every day I challenge myself to follow. Now what if we could all liberalise and make available free energy source for each and every individual on this earth, can you imagine the positive implications, people can grow their own food, power all appliances that don't pollute the environment, use electron based technology to cure cancer and other diseases, obtain free health care and on and on it goes. The biggest hurdle as I see it anyway is that because majority of people on this planet don't know about Creation and the spiritual teachings, they remain fixed in their small confined circle of understanding and perception. It's because people don't see and feel that they are part of everything and everything part of them that they cannot identify with other people, all the creatures on this planet and the planet itself. This and many other reasons withold them from discarding such idiotic tendencies to make distinction and continue with "us vs them" mentality or "we and they". thats why we are still at war, war with other countries, war with our fellow people and war with ourselves. So the biggest challenge we as a humanity face is our very own degenerate nature, the warring tendencies, the ego driven desires to dominate, exploit, control and obtain power. So lets say even if some government, some secret organization or be it an individual acquired the knowledge to harness free energy and built certain devices, they cannot simply put it out there in the mainstream hoping that everyone will do the right thing and everything will turn out ok. I am also in the process of learning and thinking about the hows, the whys, the whats etc about anti-gravity propulsion devices, about free energy source and other interesting matters, so truly how can I have the gall to tell you that I have a theory which explains electron based flying devices. Although I can only make assumptions and that assumption is, considering that the plejarens have just given us part of the answer on a silver platter, it would be logical premise to work with what we are given, that being electron based technologies. So on my previous post I have outlined the elementary particles and the forces of nature that would be involved in harnessing free energy but don't take my word for it, you verify how correct the information is and see whether it falls on logical premise to gauge how relevent it is to further pursue answers along those lines. peace be with you | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thanks Wayne, I'm still trying to learn the source of your disinformation. Your concerns are unjustified. We are not genetically predetrmined. Our genetic makeup actually does change in the course of our lives, contrary to convential "wisdom". Have you got Michael Horn's DVD? Guido's book? N.M. sounds really nice. Never been there. We're subtropical here (www.gaiaguys.net/location.htm) and what we call mountains you'd call hills! Cheers, mate! Dyson | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 12-2005 |
Newinitiation: "First, I want to understand your theory for producing gravitational flight technology. Below are two paragraphs - the second of these paragraphs represents my attempt at understanding your theory, the theory itself is presented as a direct quote in the first paragraph. Please compare them and inform me if I’m on the right track?" So you can't or won't answer this questions from my post No.46? Gaiaguysnet: Actually, I changed my mind, I have one question - arising from my expectation of other possible encounters with you : From your post No.101 - "I think you have been misled, and your superficially highbrow postings make me wonder about how much really BASIC magnetohydrodynamics you understand, not to mention vacuons." You believe I'm misled - the natural question is how? - you point to, again your belief, my ignorance of "BASIC magnetohydrodynamics" and vacuons. You continue to insist that I have been dooped: "Check out what the howstuffworks boys have to say about UFOs. Or crop circles. It puts the little effort you got caught by into some perspective. How DISPICABLE!" So from this I can only conclude that you KNOW that I am wrong - based on some sound scientific basis(BASIC magnetohydrodynamics and vacuons) - so what is it? - How does this thing actually fly? - putting aside your conspiracy theories - and after all, you are Electronics Man  . Since you have made the assertion you bare the burden of proof, not Richard Crandall! As to how the Plejarens flying ships work - I would guess on the same basis as a common electroscope(I am referring here to the Aetherometric model of electroscope function), and that the metal they use for the ship has an electron-charge-density beyond anything we can imagine to achieve with moderm metal alloys.(I wonder if anyone can verify that, if they have access to the material partaining to Marcel Vogels analysis.) | ||
Wayne New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 07-2004 |
5 th of February 2006; You guys are in a hellacious condition down there..what with the screaming HEAT and your people 'acting ' as rioters; kicking sand into the faces of beach goers. (HAARP)..and other nefarious instalations near your NW sector for: MOOD CONTROL METHODS of a population; and weather conditioning.. On the posts from you, you are describing a situation of INDUCED weather patterns; complacency of the population, and this is mirrored here in this country NOW. Hello Australia (GAIAGUYS); I am refering to the Peace Meditation - you recall: it occurs the first weekend of the month as well as on the third weekend of the month since about 1984. Please look at FIGU website: http://www.figu.org/us/spiritual_teaching/index.htm to see what I am referring to: The peace impulse code....of course!!! I have read AND YET THEY FLY (BOOK ONE); and also have read (excuse me..' trying' to go through) TRAVELING THRU TIME AND SPACE by Moosbrugger, also. And then I am doing PSYCHE (Interesting in fact!) Also, GENESIS IS AWESOME to read.. Then I am doing PROPHETEIN (SCARY!) Then too I've got INTRO. TO THE MEDITATION which was my first read; and from which I started to learn the method of his writing; as well as the language. I had noticed one can express one's self in different ways in any language..with German, this man can write with like grade school clarity; or beyond my comprehension..just by German writing styles. SUBTROPICAL?; It is the second driest continent (ANTARTICA first) in the world, looking around the internet. I lived for periods, in Florida, and THAT IS SEMI-TROPICAL, YES SIR! Also, just returned from a relative's house on the Atlantic sea coast in NJ / USA. Talk about weather wars...If you've got time I've got Stories to tell you!!! HEY ! I'll pay you to listen to my story, YEAH ! Go to a internet place dealing with New Mexico; it will provide adequate visuals and factoids as with your AU; of which I investigated and am Very fond of also , subtracting the (COMMENT DELETD) government, of course. (Thanks loads moderators for the censorship) Three cheers for NEXUS Magazine!!! - The lstest issue especially. Three cheers for FIGU !!! Right on mate!!!! with kind regards; Wayne | ||
Consolato Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 10-2005 |
originally posted by Wayne - "You guys are in a hellacious condition down there..what with the screaming HEAT and your people 'acting ' as rioters; kicking sand into the faces of beach goers" Hi Wayne, compared to the rest of the world we are heavensville. originally posted by Wayne - "SUBTROPICAL?; It is the second driest continent (ANTARTICA first) in the world, looking around the internet." The Great Artesian Basin "The Great Artesian Basin (GAB) is one of the largest artesian groundwater basins in the world. It underlies approximately one-fifth of Australia and extends beneath arid and semi-arid regions of Queensland, New South Wales, South Australia and the Northern Territory, stretching from the Great Dividing Range to the Lake Eyre depression. Water quality in the main aquifers is generally good with Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) varying between 500 to 1 500 milligrams/litre" please look at photo - http://www.nrm.qld.gov.au/water/gab/ Australia is also the only country in the world that is a continent too. Con | ||
Wayne New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 07-2004 |
6 th February 2006; Consolato (AU); What do like about FiGU? Hello; glad to have your reply. My post was intended at GAIAGUYs; however did look at Queensland WEB place; also, appreciate the information..news to me. It increases an interest in AU. May I ask what is your opinion concerning my whole post in detail. What do you like mostly about your home in AU? With kind regards from wayne / USA / 12 hrs difference(?) | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi again all! Dear Kiril, You were the one who (in essence) asserted that Richard Crandal was a fraud. The onus is on you. Sending me to howstuffworks.com cuts no mustard with me. Tell CRANDAL he’s wrong, not me. If we put aside conspiracy "theories" then we join you up in cloud cuckoo land - a place where I do not intend to let you take me. "Theories"?!?! Wake up, Kiril. Who the heck do you think keeps trying to kill BEAM? And why? You are a classic mocker and know-it-all and your pompous presence on this list lowers the tone for everyone. You deliberately employ the trees to obscure the woods. My time is too valuable to waste on the likes of your childish mockery and inept sophistry. I’m sorry if I have been harsh. Dear Wayne, It's great to see someone who is putting his money where is mouth is for a change! Good onya for making the effort to learn the German language! You will absolutely LOVE what is in store for you in Billy's books. They just get better and better the more he writes, and his most recent one is a knockout. It makes me want to translate the whole thing! Ah! If only time permitted! Your initial description of the Salome peace meditation was so unusual that I didn’t recognize it. I certainly don’t agree with your interpretation of it, but now I can understand a little of how you mean it. Yes, the current ETs do a bit of influencing, no doubt, but I personally warmly welcome the guidance and encouragement after the treatment we’ve all had at the hands of the Bafath for the last few millennia! It seems only just. And we DO get encouragement. Last Wednesday night I saw another UFO, which once again corresponded in time and place to some specific important work we were doing at the time that we certainly appreciated getting a nod about. This might be interesting too, since I think it’s unique. www.gaiaguys.net/Disclosure&cropcircles.htm Sure, Oz is a very dry place, but it's also a very BIG place and there are lots of coastal areas like here at about 29 degrees south that are a lot like where I was stationed in Biloxi. Well ... the weather there (only less extreme) ... not the current real estate. Are citizens of your state called New Mexicans? Here, a euphemism for us migrants is New Australians. I’m a New South Welchman myself. I guess that make Vivienne a New South Welchwoman. Whacky. NEXUS? Duncan Roads has avoided us like the plague for years, and, by his own personal admission, "doesn't do" the Untouchable Pedophile Elite “because others are”, and he'd just “get in trouble”. So when people buy his magazine, they BELIEVE (there’s that word again!) that they are getting the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. But they are not. Duncan does not "do" the Untouchable Pedophile Elite. I call that, at best, false advertising, and at worst, common fraud. The freemasonic symbolism on his website is very blatant. Does anyone actually think that The Powers That Be would REALLY allow a REAL conspiracy magazine to be sold at every little shop all over the western world? If they do they are simply ignorant. Or deluded. His magazine is part of the Terror War. On that jolly note, Salome, Dyson Hi Dyson, E-mails to you are getting bounced back? Salome Scott | ||
Zoran_5 Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 06-2004 |
For people interesting in transcendental meditation, and hatha yoga, visit: http://www.tm.org} Tehnique is recomendet for students, to attain better success on universitys, but also for other groups of pepole. | ||
Consolato Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 10-2005 |
originally posted by Wayne - "May I ask what is your opinion concerning my whole post in detail." "What do you like mostly about your home in AU?" Hi Wayne, I'm not sure why you ask this question of me about my opinion of post, but if you think I was having a go at you in anyway, I wasn't at all. Oz has problems just like all other countries do, only not as much. I'm an ozzie as you probably know and I love Oz and when I hear people say things about Oz which I don't believe is true, I let them know is all. What do I like mostly about living in Oz? Everything mate!! Perhaps you might like to ask gaiaguys for their opinion on what its like living in Oz, as I think they would give you a more accurate and true answer on whats it like living in Oz then I probably would. Con | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum members Is this a sign of worse things to come or what? The cartoon fiasco will remain as one more fodder for the west and the muslims to once again feel more animosity and hatred for one another. What a mess! This will keep brewing and brewing till something explodes. I have my judgement but either way both sides must concede on one thing, its getting too silly and downright idiotic. peace be with you | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear zoran Billy mentions that TM could harm the participant rather than facilitate, there are dangers that he points out so I recommend sticking to billy's advice and techniques. peace be with you | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Scott, Sorry about that. What a hassle! They never quit, do they?! I lift this quote from the end of our www.gaiaguys.net/vic.humanrightsreply2005.htm "Please note that we have recently been reliably informed by a co-worker who has ties with the Australian intelligence services that some of our emails are being thwarted by rogue elements within the Australian Security Intelligence Service (ASIS) through “some spy centre at Beacon Hill”. So, if we do not hear from you, or you receive no prompt reply to your correspondence from us, kindly persevere. It has taken as many as seven tries." Perhaps these spooks would prefer that our private correspondence is carried out here in public? I doubt it. Who do they think we are? Suicide bombers? Keep trying. They'll let it through eventually. Cheers! Dyson P.S. For what it's worth, BEAM's meditation method differs significantly from traditional TM, which he is very disparaging of. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 07-2005 |
Kiril you might have missed my response to your post 46 on my 127 reply | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum members Has any lay person of our current era documented as having found any ramnants of ET flying devices left from the war between Atlantis and Mu and the tunguska explosion?. According to the contact notes, there were at least hundreds of thousands of destroyer beamships involved. Even if the foundational stone of life (atom bombs), asteroids and the deludge caused everything to be covered by land and water, there has got to be some ramnants left over elsewhere seeing as the war of Atlantis and Mu could not have effected the other side of the globe in a catastrophic manner. Whatever happened to the neo nazi flying devices which crashed? such incidents billy mentions occurred 5-6 times including that of ET origin which the plejarens distroyed when the neo nazis weren't guarding it, but what about others that crashed in recent terrestrial history besides roswell and Russia? peace be with you | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 12-2005 |
Newinitiation: No I haven’t missed it. Gaiaguysnet: Do you KNOW and understand why and how this flying machine manipulates gravity to give it flight(as claimed by you!)? Can you say that your understanding is not purely theoretical or a mere qualitative interpretation.(A simple yes or no will suffice.) BTW - I am very well acquainted with the Disclosure Project, the work of T.Bearden and the work of SEAS(memebers of) - aside from some aspects, only a very small percentage, of T.Beardens work, I find that they are of no immediate scientific value - for the above stated reasons. | ||
Wayne Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 07-2004 |
6 th Feb 2006; GAIAGUYS: Yes I agree on NEXUS..It has definite 'drag' to it (and repeats also); at times; and was surprised to see this issue as snappy as it was. The ads in NEXUS are sleeze city, if you notice..mega vitamin this .. electric sound therapy that..ya know? Our citizens if they indeed speak English call themselves New Mexicans. I read your posts and myself am/ was an experimenter in electronics. Went to a local trade school for Electronics. I am familiar with what you are doing (in the past?) with gas plasmas; argon; neon etc. they are fun as heck to fool with..my interest is with SMITH caduceus coils (1987) and onwards. These coils I wound by machine (helical #36 magnet wire) with a taughtness of pianowire; up to 150 feet in length. I called this SNAKE WIRE. This stuff..remember CREATION itself is a intertwining double helix ...so I got me an IDEA one day. and more stories to tell ya, for sure. But NEXUS has this feature: Like pressure, some truth will come out at the easiest point.. The things that got to me were: The stories of: REFINED SUGAR DANGERS The Hurricane Andrew Coverup And ROYALE RIFE .. Australia NW secret undergroud installations...see..some good stuff comes out..but the mag obviously has it's brakes on TIGHTLY, in my view. The Story of Loic Ribault and Organic Silica; parts 1-3 This stuf is all and everything the man said it was..I write to him (e-mail)..he is starting G-5 clinics in Arabia, now. His story is rightly unique. My father lives in TAMPA/ST Petersburg, FL, and DUCKED all these Hurricanes since day one, my freind. Live long and prosper; Wayne | ||
Zoran_5 Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 06-2004 |
dear zoran Billy mentions that TM could harm the participant rather than facilitate, there are dangers that he points out so I recommend sticking to billy's advice and techniques. peace be with you -------------------------------------------------- Hay Newinvitation ! When I comare Billy`s teaching with Maharishi`s, I realize that Mahari`s offer much more. I don`t belive that his ET friends realy exist. Even if they do, their spiritual teachings are very undeveloped. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi everybody! There's some Tunguska stuff here from Asket: www.gaiaguys.net/Tunguska.htm Dunno what became of the 50kg lump the Russians hacked off what was left. And, from all I can gather, there are various relics, remnants and bits of debris (and corpses) stashed away all over the place by The Keepers of the Secret and their creepy criminal mates. As to Atlantis and Mu, does anybody know offhand whether tectonic subduction is "quick" enough to hide the evidence? I'm guessing not. The problem is that all the high tech equipment needed is so expensive that it will be in the hands of The Bad Guys, as will all the data we pay them to provide us, so … who knows? There are terrific descriptions of the deep sea (which our scientists admit they know almost nothing about) from Billy's deep diving beamship trip with Quetzal in the more recent Kontactberichte. REAL giant sea serpents and much much more! It's one of my upcoming translation efforts, but probably not for a long while. (I'm re-doing Contact #18 now, re-inserting all the good bits Wendelle omitted.) Billy & Co. contend that Death Valley, the Gobi Desert, Western Australia and (I think? - or was that Sitchin??) the Arabian Peninsula, all display evidence of ancient nukes. Wouldn’t it be great if we were smart enough to learn from history instead of DENYING it? Peace and Wisdom, Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Zoran Well then it's futile in one way or another to explain to you the merits of billy's information other than you haven't spent enough time to understanding even a small part of what to me is the greatest piece of work ever delivered by a human being thus far. Otherwise a person who has truly devoted enought time to understanding the spiritual teachings and other information pertaining to the mission wouldn't even dare to utter such silly notion that you have. Don't worry Zoran if you are sincere enough and take relevent steps to learn then you too can be part of something great. peace be with you | ||
Mtbstephen Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 12-2005 |
hmmm, my q was answered, but I don't believe Billy himself answered me. If he really did, then it's another ET race that proved themselfs to me, but which one??? are the Pleiadiens the only ones with saucer beamships?? Which other races fly around in similar ships? if im not mistaken, isn't there currently 4 or was it 5 races capable of visitation? how can i find out more about them? | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 06-2005 |
In an article written by M. Salla as the director of Exo-politics it is stated that: "a former USAF weather observor, Charles Hall, in his book discusses the issues of government exchange technology with a group of Tall Whites. These T. W. Ets provide information for constructing Nuclear powered scout craft that could travel to nearby regions of the solar system and even provide "tours" of the Moon and possibly Mars". It goes on to say: "a whistleblower such as Michael Relfe claims to have traveled to Mars and served in a "secret human colony" there, etc... From what I gather, the Plejarens are not satisfied with earth's nuclear knowledge, so why would other ETs provide the technology for the war hungry earthlings?. What and where is Planet X, apparently it is approaching earth with catastrophic consequences, should I begin to worry yet? | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 489 Registered: 10-2000 |
I have had an ongoing "debate" with Salla for several months that started because I had written, in 1998, that an alleged "lifelong Andromedan contactee", who now calls himself "Alex Collier", was actually a retired IRS agent named Ralph Amagran, who gave me Meier's Contact Notes/Reports in 1986. Salla, and a woman named Paola Harris, have called me a liar over this and a lengthy online debate has raged. The real problem appears to be that Salla and Harris have tied their credibility as "UFO researchers" to their endorsement of Collier, who Billy himself refers to as a fraud. I did research on Collier - from information that Salla himself directed me to - and found Collier's own words/predictions to be so inaccurate and delusional as to thoroughly discredit Collier, Salla and Harris. Further, if you visit Salla's pages such as: http://www.exopolitics.org http://www.exopolitics.org/Report-ET-Motivations.htm http://www.exopolitics.org/Course-exo-102-Spring-06.htm http://www.exopolitics.org/courses-whynot-selftaught.htm ...and others, you'll find not only that Salla has relied heavily on the Collier fraud but also presents the most amazing amount of unsubstantiated, unscientific, mumbo-jumbo without a shred of proof for his premise and/or his qualifications to make such claims, etc. He also is selling various courses/trainings pertaining to all of this. I will eventually post some of the more colorful exchanges between Salla and me. I do encourage anyone who is interested to see if they can get Salla to explain and defend Collier's absolutely lunatic ranting as can also be found at: http://www.theyfly.com/news2005/sept05/sept05.htm#michael To date he has absolutely REFUSED to stand behind, explain, justify, defend any of it - the very stuff that his so-called "contactee" Collier spews as the only "evidence" of his so-called contacts. Michael Horn | ||
Zoran_5 Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 06-2004 |
dear Zoran Well then it's futile in one way or another to explain to you the merits of billy's information other than you haven't spent enough time to understanding even a small part of what to me is the greatest piece of work ever delivered by a human being thus far. Otherwise a person who has truly devoted enought time to understanding the spiritual teachings and other information pertaining to the mission wouldn't even dare to utter such silly notion that you have. Don't worry Zoran if you are sincere enough and take relevent steps to learn then you too can be part of something great. peace be with you --------------------------------------------------- Hay Newinvitation What kind of meditation is Peace Mediation, that it`s practitoner practise it only twice in 15 days ? Do you have any success in creating world peace ? Maharishi`s Transcendental Meditation is tehnique for developih human inner potentional and also for creating world peace, specially in it`s advanced form TM - Sidhi, also known as Yogic Flying. It is practised twice a day, every day. TM centar are spread world wide, and everyone can learn it. Practitioners can also learn and other courses such as hatha yoga, learn ayurveda, jotish - vedic astrology, and many more. For practitioners of TM - Sidhi, Maharishi often organizes gathering for World peace. During the time of such gathering in Israel, number of killed people droped by 70%. During the time of another gathering in one American city, crime fall by 50%. I realy didn`t hear that Billy`s Peace Meditation can do that ? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear zoran If you want proof well its in the pudding Peace meditation isn't the only form of meditation advocated by billy although this is the most important form of meditation one can practise for world peace. How do I know? well I can't answer for you because there are many other consideration you must take into account and that starts with firstly reading various articles, bulletins, books, posts from this forum and the spiritual teachings and then do your own inner searching within yourself to see that you cannot prove that all this is real with scientific enquiries, methodologies, instruments and devices alone. Please read the relevent contact notes for answers, a good start is the spiritual teachings and then many more others, there is absolutely no short cuts to this spiritual enlightenment business or to find out how true all this is, the onus is on you and how much effort you put into it, it was purposefully devised this way by billy and the plejarens so that we out of our own effort and will, put in the whole nine yard of effort to find the proof and answers within ourselves and at the same time assimilate the vital signs we need which develops our inner core during the process of discovery. Don't fall prey to what most people still in this supposedly enlightened 21st century succumb to and that is "if I cannot see, hear, smell, touch and taste it doesn't exist" syndrome. The potential psyche related damage caused by TM and its vouched methods is one reason billy warns against it, read the 'questions to billy answered' thread. As for various scientists interest and experimentation of TM and government support? well I can't answer this for you either but seeing as any results from scientific experiments can be tarnished or doctored in bias to support either way according to how clever or how much expectations the experimenters have, it may all just be fabrication. Is the glass half empty or half full, all this depends on perspective and what you choose to look at. Can't it be that its because of the peace meditation performed by likeminded individuals from FIGU that its filtering down to other practitioners, why there weren't ever any attempt by scientists to study this I must say, it baffles me although it doesn't need their seal of approval to verify the validity of it positive effect on world peace. And so what if the tens of thousands of mass yogi practitioner don't affect any positive outcome to world peace according to billy, if in the end they can live in peace, spend their time at least meditating as opposed to being at war then at least there are tens of thousands of less grief stricken mad people out there doing less damage to each other. Ultimately you alone can decide for yourself what in the end is the right path to life, I along with other likeminded people who participate on this forum have already learned the lesson of not forcing our views and opinions on others but do so in a suggestive manner but in line with the truth and what we are taught. You can go on continuing in every right which you, as a free individual, to exercise your will to support what you BELIEVE in but as far as I am concerned it may well just be a cultural thing for you to put your weight in support for it rather than from any detailed study you in your self proactive effort concluded. good luck with your searching, maybe one day you will find the right door to knock and enter the kingdom of the spirit within you. peace be with you | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 271 Registered: 06-2000 |
Announcement : I have taken part in the peace meditation for a few years , and at least for me (and perhaps for those that know me just a little from this forum) , the proof of it's effectiveness is that I have no desire to argue with Zoran , or any of the other comic book type names that appear here from the world of megalo-anonynimity . Salome . Mark Campbell | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 140 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear michael horn I wonder how much this salla individual does damage to the whole mission that it warrants your undivided attention to dispute and refute various lies he along with collier perpetuates. Or you by engaging in such action a necessary example that you must battle in order to conquer on a much broader scale, such likeminded individuals as they so that you effectively cut the bud off such noxious weed before it flourishes and become too big to handle. But can your attention to their insidious activities cause for further fodder for them to feel justified in their actions to prop up their ego and sense of self importance? For in the end it is none other than one of the most important advocate of FIGU outside the inner circle, Michael Horn who they are contending with. I've read the article on your website and frankly if ralph amagran aka collier gave you the contact notes which he reputes then can you do a DNA test on the book but then again he could also repute this with more lies even if the result verifies your authentic claim just by stating that you on a few occasions lent it to him to read. It must certainly get very frustrating for you michael seeing as its an on going battle that never seizes to end, if only people have the courage and a sense of decency to fess up and tell the truth. So many idiots out there that make it harder for the genuinely good natured people. Shame on them. what can we do to help? peace be with you | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 738 Registered: 12-1999 |
Zoran, I would suggest reading the section on the FIGU website regarding the Peace Meditation. The application of this Meditation was responsible for the break down of Communism in the Soviet Union, as well as the collapse of the Berlin Wall separating East & West Germany. The thing about TM, is that it is not a true Meditation. Real concentration does not involve the use of a Mantra, or a repeated phrase. Anytime this is done, you are engaging the material consciousness, which is what you are trying to neutralize, in order to sense the greater aspects of your inner self. Regards Scott | ||
Smythstar Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hello Dyson, just wondering if you have heard of the UFO contact that occured recently in Australia where DNA evidence was recovered and tested with supprising results. (Hair of the Alien encounter) Im aware of what Billy has said about other ufo contacts but the fact that this dna has been tested and showen to be from an extinct human line with mixed asian/celtic characteristics, identical to the 6 foot tall red/blond haired mummies found next to the pyramids in China. Physical evidence is pretty exciting unless of course its some elaborate hoax? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Smythstar! Are you referring to Bill Chalker? Hardly recent. I spoke at length with Bill on the phone at about the time of the Chilbolton contact, and he quickly convinced me that he was a fraud with his techno-sophistry, and deeply impressed me with his boast that he had been anonymously funded to the tune of a cool one million dollars. He certainly gets around. He also told me he had not read the Disclosure Project material because, as he put it, “It’s too expensive.” Bad enough for a millionaire (he also mentioned this figure independently to a friend of mine), but less easy to accept in light of the fact that I’ve taken the liberty of providing the 100 page DP Executive Summary, and the 500 page Congressional Briefing Document free on our site. If he had read the latter, he would have noticed this on page thirty, “Both positive inducements to cooperate and penalties for violating secrecy are extraordinary. A senior military source has related to us that at least 10,000 people have received $1 million or more each to ensure their cooperation, over the past few decades.” Unfortunately, most lay people are unaware that recombinant DNA technology is so sensitive, and thus so prone to contamination, that if a room full of people simply passes – say - a drinking glass, from hand to hand, it will disclose the DNA of every single individual … totally mixed together of course! If you read the fine details of this particular case you will see that all that was required to reveal the true sources of the extinct blond Chinese alien (or whatever) DNA were the various (Earth) people who shared the house, among whom was a blonde Anglo-Australian lady and a man of Chinese ethnicity. Early on in the piece I had quite a lot of interaction with Chalker’s Queensland based UFO sycophants. The expression, “nest of snakes and vipers” springs to mind. If this was not the set of circumstances you mean, please let us know. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hello: I find Mark`s attitude wise, however just a trick for those who still want to argue: to show the illogism and stupidity of some argument provided by someone, push that argument to its limit!! Example 1: On Sept 12, 2001, the number of death due to terrorism was reduced by 3000, from the previous day, a 1000000% reduction, due without any doubt to the practice of TM.... Example 2: In New Guinea, some sorcerer from a tribe secret pygmee society have discussed about exchanging technology with a group of TALL WHITE US ARMY generals. The US military have shown great interest (and don`t see any problem!!!) in giving up their top secret weapon technology such as missiles, aircraft in exchange for abducting some pygmees to conduct medical experiments... A whistleblower sorcerer have been brought to visit places like AREA 51 and Pentagon, and are selling the books detailing their trips. The Pentagon is definetely not happy about pygmees using arrows for wars between pygmees tribes.... Tschüss! Salome Eric | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 12-2005 |
Zoran: Hi, I'm interested in meditation, and I'm currently practicing the concentration exercises advocated by Meier, for the last couple of weeks, with no result as yet. If you don't mind me asking, as a proponent of TM - what are your experiances in practicing meditation? Second, in your post No.14 you claim a direct relationship between TM and some particular events. Could you provide me with the source of these claims? Cheers, Kiril Newinitiation: Rubbish - what you refer to as a "suggestive manner"(sic), in most cases, simply represents an inahbility to backup a particular claim or answer a specific question directly - most prominently this behaviour features after a challenge has been made | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 739 Registered: 12-1999 |
Kiril, I must ask you, what results are you expecting? The mere idea of expecting results creates a false meditation/observation. No thoughts about anything must be the primary point of the exercise. As time progresses you will find this is much more difficult than it sounds. Try doing it for a minute, let alone 20 minutes and you see why it takes so long. The Meditation as taught by Billy, takes years to master, at least 7. It can take lifetimes... I would suggest to start with, learning the basic concentration exercises as outlined in the book the Psyche. These exercises have been outlined on this forum. Good luck Regards Scott | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 03-2004 |
AIDS CURE FOUND? see the link address below http://www.sltrib.com/portlet/article/html/fragments/print_article.jsp?article=3482712 Interesting and it possibly fits with the contact notes stating a cure would be found around this or last year... | ||
Zoran_5 Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 06-2004 |
Announcement : I have taken part in the peace meditation for a few years , and at least for me (and perhaps for those that know me just a little from this forum) , the proof of it's effectiveness is that I have no desire to argue with Zoran , or any of the other comic book type names that appear here from the world of megalo-anonynimity . Salome . Mark Campbell -------------------------------------------------- In the lenguage of my county "zora" ( read "o" like "cOin" and "a" like "fAther" ) means dawn of the new day. In that way "Zoran" means "bearer of the dawn of the new day". So you can translate "Zoran" as "Dawner" :o) | ||
Zoran_5 Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 06-2004 |
Hay Kiril ! --------------------------------------------------------------- Zoran: Hi, I'm interested in meditation, and I'm currently practicing the concentration exercises advocated by Meier, for the last couple of weeks, with no result as yet. If you don't mind me asking, as a proponent of TM - what are your experiances in practicing meditation? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Transcendental meditation pulls your attention from the normal awake state of mind to the more and more suptile state of mind, and than in one moment, it pulls you to transcendental consciousness. How one feels that ? At the same time, you fill infinit silence, and the infinit dynamisam (energy). It is something like beeing awake while you sleep ( actualy you don`t sleep while meditating). This experience fills your batery, and also it relax you. After 20 min, you slowly open your eyes, and such relaxed you are ready to do your everyday tasks -------------------------------------------------------------- Second, in your post No.14 you claim a direct relationship between TM and some particular events. Could you provide me with the source of these claims? --------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, you have something on: http://www.tm.org/sidhi "... Benefits to Society Time-series analysis showed that during three experimental periods, in Iowa, Holland and Washington, D.C., when the number of experts in the TM® and TM-Sidhi programs approached or surpassed 7000 (approximately the square root of one percent of the world's population), there were significant global reductions in international conflicts as measured by content analysis of major newspapers. In addition, statistics from an independent data base showed that casualties and fatalities due to international terrorism decreased an average of 72 percent during the assemblies. ... " ------------------------------------------------- Cheers, Kiril ------------------------------ Cheers, see you Zoran | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 456 Registered: 01-2004 |
As a side note, I already told you Kiril, that the meditation excersizes and/or the concentration excersizes are no 'quick' fix, to learn meditation is not an easy task and takes years. Especially for people with very strict and fixed minds. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, than any knowledge you have." | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 12-2005 |
Scott: I have been following the instructions that are presented on this forum and also from the JR.Winters tapes - fundamentally they do not differ, however the extent to which they expound the nature of meditation(functionally speaking) does. By results I mean - any type of observable differences in my mental or physical state(let alone access to the Akashic Records and my subconsciousness) - during the exercises I have been measuring and documenting a number of physical attributes of my body. As mentioned, and I do feel that I am slowly progressing(by the standards set in the instructions), physically, the results show either no differences(other then those that are expected) from a normal state-of-activity or cannot be differentiated from other states like - pre-sleep - reading - deep thinking - relaxing(with closed eyes) - clay sculpting(my fav hobby)- other then the respective mental processes involved. Also I haven’t noticed any change in my general behavior and thinking habbits. So in saying this, and to answer your question, my expectation is that meditation - and the process that underlies its success, represent a unique state of mind and body. Coincidently I would like to thank you for your question - it has raised further questions in my mind.{when I say "unique state of mind", I am measuring brain-wave activity as an indicator - as well as making observations of behavior) It should be noted that these conclusion are based on only a few weeks of practicing the concentration exercises. And I don’t believe the attributes I am recording are exhaustive. Regards, Kiril | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 490 Registered: 10-2000 |
HI Newinitiation, I have to agree that phony, ego-motivated people tend to obscure the truth in these UFO-related matters. I probably shouldn't give as much time to them as I have but they also seem to find me and want to debate this or that item. In the case of Salla and Collier it would be absolutely worthy of huge laughs if they weren't so insistent on perpetuating the hoax...and attacking me for revealing it. As far as Salla is concerned, I long ago suggested to him that he should simply justify and defend Collier's crazy statements or withdraw his support for the nonsense but he's done neither. He actually pretends that Collier's remarks don't even exist, like the nonsense about the moon not being in its orbit, which he "predicted" about three years ago. Seems to me I just saw the thing tonight so it's still there and Collier's still nuts. Of course, when you read this kind of double talk from Salla, a guy pretending to be a serious "UFO researcher", it's enough to make you laugh...or cry: "Why Doesn't a Self-Taught Approach to Exopolitics Work? The problem here is the same with the difference between a self-taught individual and a professional in any discipline. While the self-taught violinist, for example, may sound wonderful to the layperson, professionals can quickly recognize weaknesses or gaps in the training and performance of even the most brilliant self-taught individuals. Essentially, if it comes down to a life and death issue, most people instinctively go to a professional rather than self-taught individuals since this is where any deficiencies and gaps emerge most prominently. Dealing with the politics of the extraterrestrial presence is no different since the implications involve the very survival or sovereignty of the human race. Unfortunately, there is currently no way for individuals to gain a thorough training in the politics of the extraterrestrial presence through traditional educational institutions. This means most people just 'wing it' on the basis of the material they can access in bookstores, the internet, public lectures, or government/military 'insiders'. The introduction of rigorous courses on exopolitics will fill this need by providing the kind of scholarly analysis that would be expected in a typical graduate university program." http://www.exopolitics.org/courses-whynot-selftaught.htm We can use the preceding example of mumbo-jumbo as a good example of what to avoid, in every way. I think that everyone has to decide how best to further the Meier case while being careful to not sound like these charlatans, who obviously don't have the slightest idea what they're talking about anyway. Michael Horn | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 145 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Kiril Don't worry Kiril I haven't given upon you yet although often times I am tempted to let my ego do the talking and give you a hand full but I guess this is one challenge you offer me right now for me to learn to control myself so really we need the likes of you on this forum if not for your own sake then for me to realise how not to be, its a clear sign for me that I am on the right track. Anyway no point wasting time arguing, your words have its own signature and use. Dyson is a much knowlegable and wiser person than I am, so I am foresaken his lead and I am bothering to respond to you where simply ignoring you is the better option but I haven't lost hope with you yet. The immaturity that seeps out of your infantile remarks I can readily take for there are too many around to ignore anyway. Just bear in mind what you think the spiritual lessons are may just be tarnished by your inability to really grasp them. Keep at it, you have your own unique place in this world. peace be with you | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 146 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Kiril one other consideration that must be addressed concerning the type of attitude prevalent that you seem to show for a fellow forum member like myself is that often not, not everyone here has good intentions and often we must stay alert to possible seed that is sown by them driven by ulterior motives to undermine the mission, so the possible scenario in the future would be- 1. some will remain devoted to billy's mission and remain a lifelong advocate. 2. some will lose interest for whatever reason and leave. 3. some will be an ardent supporter for a time only to become disillusioned and become an antagonist, doing all they can to undermine the mission with or without the help of other antagonists. 4. some would have already made up their minds and enter this forum to engage in their insidious activities whether as a paid agent or not, having their strings pulled by people higher up the food chain with their own agendas. 'Karl Korff' comes to mind although I don't know whether he has ever perticipated on this forum. 5. some will be curious but don't try hard enough and even before their candle light is lit they would have already removed the candle. 6. some will just be lukewarm half way here and half way there. 7. some will come and go then come back again 8. some are just pranksters, making a mockery out of this, have their 15 minutes and shoo away. 9. some will never get it or are not convinced So you can gather why 3,4 is the concern because you seem to show some sign no matter how innocent you may seem right now. Just think about it if you think you are smart enough. peace be with you | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 12-2005 |
Newinitiation - Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 09:20 pm: Not only is it a pointless exercise to engage in debate with an onanistic-rationalist(the worst flavor), of which you are the most perfect model, it is also, as has been re-iterated to me( by you and Dyson), a lost-case to ever try and reconcile such a mind!(Especially when the rigidity of old age has made itself apparent, not only in his bones, but also in his mind!) As these will be my last words to you, I suggest you study, very hard, the progression of our interactions upto this point. If you look and think, for yourself - with your own eyes and mind, you will find just an empty shell, for there is no substance or worth to your words(in the context of our interactions), merely the convulsions of a second-hander! In one word I would summerize your post No.145, again as, Rubbish - you have proved to me beyond any doubt that you are a true representative of what I refer to as The Mass Psychosis of The-Will-To-Ignorance. peace be with you(sic!) [I am very well aware that these words, of this post, pay no servitude to any valid cause or goal - but as it happens, I am only slightly less the intellectual and emotional barbarian, then those of whom I refer to in my post - and so I feel justified in posting it ] | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 457 Registered: 01-2004 |
Gentlemen, Again, I see discussions becoming personal attacks between people. It is wise to always keep in mind that a forum or any internet medium using text, is black text on a white (or any color) background. Therefor you can never judge a person just on the posts he/she is writing. Writings of any kind are just indicators of certain thought patterns. I would urge all parties to agree to disagree when it becomes clear that neither party moves from his or her point of view. If you want to attack someone, do it privately, not on this forum. All posts with an attacking nature will be deleted as of now. PEACE IN WISDOM TO ALL Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, than any knowledge you have." | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 12-2005 |
Jacob post Ref - PostNo.456(hehe): I hope you can see, as of my post No.53, that I have not forgotten what you shared with me. Further, it should be understood that my comments to Zoran were a statement of my pogress - not an attempt to invalidate or denigrate the information provided by Mr.Meier/+Plejarens about Meditation. Kiril | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 148 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Jacob Thanks Jacob for pointing this out and you are right, in the end the progression towards a saner society does involve a deeper understanding of its participants beyond the superficial and I have made the mistake of jumping the gun. To put everything in the right perspective paves the way for a clearer understanding of what is truly important. If you have been offended Kiril I do apologise but I cannot under any circumstance concede to such views not limited by my conjecture but fact as it is expressed worthy of criticalness but not a mere false judgement against principles which I and many others hold dear that is worth protecting. It's the only precious commodity left in this world and I hope you understand. peace be with you all | ||
Vestri New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hello all, I've been following this forum now for the past few months and think I'm ready and up to date enough that I can start posting now without being a bit of a bother to anyone by having to talk about old stuff. I think the forum is great and the members are good people and look forward to comunicating and eventually getting to know everyone. I don't have much else to say in this post right now, other then saying I never imagined there was so much information and knowledge there was to learn about the spirit til after I read through the spiritual teachings section. To be honest, I thought there was so much of information there, that at first it kind of scared me, not to mention the feelings I felt associated with the realisation of finding out how absolutely primitive and little minded I really am at this stage of my spiritual evolution too. What a long road this one's going to be! | ||
Savio Member Post Number: 536 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Vestri Welcome onboard, we all just started our journey a short while ago Enjoy your stay! Peace be with you. Savio | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 06-2005 |
Inger, You were asking Billy a question about the requirements of Protein one needs to consume from meat and vegetables: I highly recommend that you visit a most truthful website that tells it as it is without modern day scientific spins. I only found this website years after I already practiced what the good doctor suggested, and I often wonder if 'this late finding' happened for a purpose... It has changed my life around. www.notmilk.com Strange really how when people become desperately ill because nothing makes sense, one is compelled to search for the real truth, and one is then obliged to listen to the inner voice that dares to sound so very contradictory in comparison to today's conventional theories. It took alot of courage to dig through midical papers and research data and querry my doctors practices because what I heard and was encouraged to do from the so called 'experts' were complete contradictions to my body's experiences. After decades of battling health problems I decided to do it my way and it was a personal bitter-sweet victory over science, but I was still questioning my logic because I was conditioned to believe that science can cure all ills. I realized that scientific theories are primarily written and professed by men, whereas it is the women who unfortunately become the live human experiments of modern day scientific 'discoveries'. It is an Irony that actually gives me ample courage to speak my mind through my own experiences. Decades ago, I didn't know about Billy and this forum, but I trusted something in me and felt encouraged because as I now know, my Spirit knew better and guided me through harsh experiences. Now I truly understand the meaning of Logic; there can be no logical understanding without good and bad experiences and this was my journey of being part of this earthly creation because we are all inter-connected. Now as to the Protein requirements: the good doctor highly recommends PLANT protein rather than animal protein. WHY? because the western diet is comprised of too much protein derived from animal fat which is the cause of all modern day diseases. Among many related health issues, this protein increases the production of acid in the blood causing calcium to leach from the bones to neutralize the effects. Overtime the high consumption of animal proteins weakens the bones, but we are told by doctors to consume ever more milk and protein, which is infact a contradiction. How many have stomach problems and taking 'anti acid' medications? How many are suffering from osteoporosis? aching bones, cancer, depression and so on... His site is full of research information explained in plain language and I highly recommend you 'digest' his insightful scientific knowledge but let me add one quote: "If your eyes are set apart you should be vegeterian, because you inherit the digestive characteristics of bovine ancestry". Dr. Linard Williams, 1932. I might be wrong with this notion, but I feel that what we are told in regard to eating dead animals, animals that sense, feel and experience pain and terror just so that we can feast on their flesh, is morally unjust. Yes, we humans have been genetically altered to make us more aggressive, and so maybe this is the reason why we still 'need' to consume animal flesh and its blood. I hope that one day sooner rather than later science will create an ingenious vegetable protein that is far more nutritious and better for humans than eating animal protein. Does it mean though, that until then we should sadly continue with this primitive and barbaric practice? I get a sense that this scientist, regardless of threats to his life, has been 'guided' by our friends above. Now to a lighter note: the good doctor tells a story of how a cow escaped the slaughter house and was running away from her captors but was caught after a few hours. At the end of the day, a farmer bought her to let her live on green pastures instead. I think she deserves a medal for her courage. | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Zoran, Could you please tell me what books, or sources have you read on the case of Billy and specifically his teachings. And maybe you can show us your comparison, plus what evidence or ideas you have why the plejaren spiritual teaching are underdeveloped. Simply to have a better understanding on your assumptions. And while you are at it you could tell me why you think more meditation will do any thing different, do you have any evidence that more meditation (2 a day) is better than a group meditation that happens twice a month. In another way do you really think a book with 1000 words is teaching more then a book explaining the same thing in 500 words. Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Vestri, And a big welcome… As savio mentioned a lot of us are new here, but still that’s a positive thing which makes it easier for us all to be able to communicate in a better way, as we are all at the beginning of the journey of Billy’s information, but some might be further in the idea of the spiritual progress, and grasp things a bit faster then others but that doesn’t matter because there is soooo much to learn I surely have learnt a lot just talking about various things, here in the forum. As I found it is really hard finding people to talk to and discuss the teachings where I am now. Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Jacob, Thats is a very good idea, instead of wasting space (Bytes&Archive) it would be a good idea to remove the personal attacks from this forum. As no one will gain any thing from it. I just hope that Kiril, Newinitiation, Dyson and who ever attacked one another stop, leave it at what has been said maybe even apologise and try not to interfere with one another until bit of time for all of the nerves to cool down. The choice is up to you guys, or you can share your emails and continue attacking each other, until you realise that there must be another way to settle the issue. Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 274 Registered: 06-2000 |
Welcome Vestri ; It is a pleasure and honor to welcome one who come to learn with an open mind , who is not diverted by hard line prejudices and self-impressed intellectualism . Concerning the attacking skeptical view , it was allowed so much before because of an attitude among the moderators that those views should not be edited out . Of course ,you have to include them , but they tended to dominate , and everyone else fell in behind in an online brawl . I learned eventually to just let them be and let the moderators do just that . These days it seems to be much less saturation of the same redundancy . As you can see , their job has never been easy . So we can get on with the learning , and leave the fighting with the cartoonists . Peace, Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Melli! I'm glad you found a way to better health, but some of the ideas expressed seem very odd. The thing about bovine eyes/digestion is really absurd, in my opinion, and I do have a question about vegetarianism. If "... too much protein derived from animal fat ... is the cause of all modern day diseases" , then why is it that every long-term strict vego I've known has had a host of chronic health problems? As you know from reading Guido's book, etc., meat eating is needed to keep us from becoming delusional. Cheers! Dyson P.S. I hope my previous reply to your questions about Australia was adequate. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 109 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi again everybody! In case anyone's interested, I've joined Dr. Michael Salla's Yahoo list "prepare4contact". And I've posted my first contrubution into an area that is not very Meier-friendly, although he is accepted (along with a host of others) as being an ET contactee. The little article I offered can also be found linked off of www.gaiaguys.net/prepare4contact.htm Wish me luck! :-/ Cheers! Dyson | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dyson, I am not sure I understand your question about eyes/digestion? There is a huge difference between one being a vegeterain and one being a Vegan. Vegeterians still consume bovine milk products which contain many different hormones (59 infact) and the conventional milk is not only a natural animal hormone but also a hormone that contains added GE synthetic hormone- a steroid. This practice of adding a steroid hormone (rBGH)to the cow's endocrine system started some 40 years ago, for the purpose of stimulating economic growth. I was a young bystander who over heard this new idea but I couldn't comprehend how a cow would stimulate world economies. After decades I finally put the puzzle pieces together from my own miserable experiences. The cow naturally produces female hormones: have a look at a cow grazing in a meadow and compare her to a poor cow in a prison farm, and the obvious difference will shock you: look at the udders for main comparison, then her body. We humans are told that ingesting dairy products (animal hormones on steroids) is healthy for us-and we don't question science but what are we doing? we are "following". Even organic milk naturally contains animal hormones. A Vegan by contrast will not consume any animal hormones not even chicken eggs and they are probably the healthiest people of all. So as long as one consumes hormones even when one is a vegeterian, one will continue to suffer with a host of acquired diseases. Since I stopped consuming dairy, 9 years ago, I haven't visited a doctor yet and best of all my mind is clearer and sharper, and doesn't feel 'holly' anymore. Science tells us that because humans and cows posses the one and same protein called IGF-1 , it is healthy for us to consume dairy. This is sadly the biggest and longest 'Con' in history. I could go on but I suggest you visit Not Milk and read the truth for yourself to see how it 'fits'. I know of dairy farmers who changed their ways but continue to milk their cows because it is their livelihood, but they themselves don't consume the milk, not even organic or bio dynamic. The issue with milk is such that hormones work on a nano scale level, they cannot be destroyed with pasteurization and they accelerate the growth of every cell in our body, and that is why babies grow faster when they are very little and later the growth rate slows down. Also we see how the obesity epidemic is rife and everyone is affected. I don't understand why humans would become delusional? could this be because we were genetically altered to be aggressive and hence we 'must' still consume animal DNA? Maybe if we changed this historical scientific fallacy by living as vegans we would be naturally inventing new foods with much higher nutritional value than what we are doing now. Infact now we are not searching for new discoveries, we are just following what science is telling us. This growth industry is supported by the meat and dairy industries. It began with science's innovation of GE hormones and ended on my plate and in my body under the disguise of healthy protein. It was part of the Green revolution. Research actually shows that medical problems arise by consuming too much animal protein rather than not getting enough. I can understand how this sound to somebody who has no logical experience (both positive and negative,theory and practice) but just like so many other issues in this world are accepted and followed, this one is yet another that science will try very hard to dismiss because it has spawned a health and disease industries and the stakes are very high. Who would finance the black projects amongst many other things? As everything in life is inter-connected this is just another link in the chain. Bon Appetite! | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 06-2005 |
What is if any the significance of a "falling star"? A question is stirring my mind: earliest mankind's ancestors were "genetically engineered" people who first lived on Mars before emigrating to earth. HOW did the ETs on Sirius create humans in the first place? From what, is it purely Creation the bearer of all life with physics combined? as in female and male, + and - forces? HOW did all life in the oceans begin? I am asking because I hear a new theory circulating around: that humans evolved from the ocean creatures. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi again, Melli! It was this quote from Dr. Linard Williams that I think is very silly: ‘"If your eyes are set apart you should be vegeterian, because you inherit the digestive characteristics of bovine ancestry.’" And I guess I’d forgotten that there are a lot of people who call themselves vegetarians who eat dairy, eggs, fish, even poultry! A misnomer, in my view. Where I live, they are all called simply vegos. I was one myself for years. But I agree with you about milk, and basically removed it from my diet many years ago. And the Plejaren have also told us (in one of the more recent contact books) that cow’s milk is BAD for adults and VERY bad for children. They should never be given it. That seems totally consistent with the way we are governed. Whatever weakens us as a whole is rammed down our throats by The Establishment. The last communicable illness of any kind either Vivienne or I suffered was about 5 years ago. We don’t even get colds anymore, but we attribute this to more than merely physical nutrition. I think it’s the (promised) result of spiritual nutrition! And, to take it back into the ET realm, Dutch Professor (Theoretical Nuclear Physics) Eltjo Haselhoff wrote about being “blessed” by extraterrestrials (time travelers?) or whoever is doing the real crop circles, and achieving the same result. I strongly recommend his book, “The Deepening Complexity of Crop Circles” www.gaiaguys.net/DCoCC_Excerpts.htm “I don't understand why humans would become delusional? could this be because we were genetically altered to be aggressive and hence we 'must' still consume animal DNA?” I don’t understand either, dear Melli, and we are offered no further details, but we are told it applies to all humans, not just us Earthlings. On the other hand, too much meat makes us lethargic. “Research actually shows that medical problems arise by consuming too much animal protein rather than not getting enough.” I DO take your point, of course, and don’t argue for a high-meat Western diet, but the above argument is very tightly circular. Too much/not enough makes problems. That’s what defines those expressions. In reply to your further post, there’s a little here: http://www.gaiaguys.net/Meierv6p406-413.htm And we are told that there all different sorts of humans, and some are semi-aquatic, like the “fish” lady that dropped in on Billy several years ago. (Her name escapes me.) Sometimes it’s a little hard to remember that humans are universal. Fish folks, bird folks, reptile folks, etc. All just folks. And Nokodemion created lots of people from thin air. „Seine ersten Völker gründete Nokodemion mit 56,5 Milliarden Gesamtaltersjahren, dies in Form dessen, dass er selbst einen Stamm zeugte, der sich dann selbständig weitervermehrte. Nokodemion established his first peoples at the age of a total of 56,500,000,000 years, in this form; that he engendered a lineage which then independently further increased itself. Als er dann in die Übergangsebene des Materiewechselzustandes einging mit 58 Milliarden Gesamtaltersjahren, da kreierte er durch geistige Potenz ein weiteres Volk, nachdem er ziemlich genau 2 Milliarden Jahre in der Übergangsebene zugebracht hatte. As he then entered the transitional level of the fluctuating material state at the age of 58,000,000,000 years, he created there, through spiritual powers, a further people, after which he seemingly spent precisely 2,000,000,000 years in the transitional level.” The German word "Potenz" does not mean "power" as in the expression, "physical or spiritual power", but rather "power", as in "power of 10", as in a mathematical exponent. I snipped the above form www.gaiaguys.net/meierv6p410-413.htm And a falling star(meteor)? Make a wish! :-) Good health! Dyson | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 741 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Dyson, Her name was Asina from Deneb (Cygnus System). So if milk is a no no, what about cheese? Spiritual nutrition...now that's interesting, are we talking about the universal cosmic Creational energy which is everywhere? Just curious.. Regards Scott | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Dyson Hope your endeavours bare fruit among the forest of weeds Dyson, it seems hellish to me at the thought of having to sift through so much garbage with what little truth there is in there. I made a start and there are some worthy read nontheless. I never read anywhere from FIGU concerning Draconians alex collier has perported to have had contact with. Seeing as it's an established fact that he is a fraud we must at least give him an A+ for his ability to deceive or at least himself. Its unfortunate that Michael Horn has been excluded from what amounts in the end from petty reasons of Dr salla's dogmatic beliefs he is unwilling to review regarding collier material with much information given to him by Michael Horn for him to at least consider, although I am firmly in favour of Michael Horns argument style, it may have been too much for Dr Salla's ego to take but then again the discussion between the two gentlemen would have been ongoing for some time. Anyway it's seems like a worthy platform where Michael Horn could have made alot of contribution and extend to more audience. Dyson I hope the appreciation comes to you and vivienne for all that you guys have fought for until now by the people among that group with a bit of sense. It surely doesn't seem like an easy task although a noteworthy undertaking indeed. I wonder if some of the other members on this forum without a big platform but eager as hell can join in or is it invite only to the chosen ones good luck | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 06-2005 |
Thanks Dyson, and you are on the ball... For me Spiritual Nutrition came only after the physical nutrition was realized. I came to this realization a while back but thought I was 'crackers' because I could not explain this to anybody. When I was piecing the puzzle together, I was going around the bend..., always questioning my own logic and driving myself crazy. Still this realization is far far away from the regular consumer. Shame really, but I hope I am a "wake up call" now. Scott, I could go on explaining the issue of dairy consuption but I cannot emphasise enough the importance of the website I mentioned earlier. It took me a while to digest the info. and research data,(now it has been simplified somewhat, comapre to what it was a some 6 years ago) but what helped me with the process of learning was my own experience and realization- and primarily the fact that I am a woman. The theory I was reading, was manifesting itself in my body, whereby my body literally became my personal laboratory. I needed to have these experiences so that years later I would understand the meaning of Logic and how Mother nature works in her mysterious ways. So please do yourself a favour (if you so choose of course)and start a new page in life- you will become a new person, in mind, body and spirit, I promise! And no cheese! It is loaded with hormones and hormones are the primary factor in any growth and development, human and animal and plant. (think Obesity) Humans and cows are two different species, cows do not consume human milk, so why should human consume milk from any animal? Strange really but even my cats won't drink milk. I had to try and understand how nature works so I experimented with my cats' food. The fact that we have one only Protein called IGF-1, (Insulin Growth Factor -1), that is identical between the two species, the Establishment consciously decided to exploit it and profit from its detrimental health effects and today we are mentally numb, literally. (Millions are naively and sadly still supporting Cancer research) It is an addictive substance as any industry permitted drug. (My son's and husband's physiology changed but that's another topic). Let me go out on the limb with this notion, Dyson: Yes, it is true that meat makes us very lethargic, and I speak from months of experiments of yes/no organic/ non organic meat consumption just so that I could feel the differences manifesting in my body. Because I stopped my dairy and finally meats after a long time I found a 'new me' inside my body, it still feels like a major shift has occured in my cells, but I cannot explain it yet. One day just last year, I found Billy's website and Figu because I was searching for answers to my discoveries and I felt I was being 'guided' and so I just had to follow. So yes I do believe I am now nourished with Spiritual Nutrition, and I have the complete truth and logical understanding of what Creation is and how we are all inter-connected. So, if we did not consume this animal product I truly feel that we would be able to pursue spiritual teachings with true clarity, coherently and without the 'intended' confusion we feel so intertwined in. I hear how depression rate is rising and I know what's its like, I have been there for too long, and sadly we often go on round and round like a dog chasing its own tale just because of what we eat, not realizing that after all 'we are what we eat'. Maybe we would become "delusional" with happiness and we are not yet ready for this evolutionary stage. What a pity, but can I fasten my own journey then? Thanks for all the extra info. I always follow up, and I will inquire about the book you suggested. | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Dyson, I was just wondering does drinking tea with a little milk also damage, in other words does quantity matter or not to result in deterioration of the health. from the point of milk. Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, Yes, Scott. That was how I meant it. Every day I wonder at the change that has overtaken me. Like our friend Mark Campbell, I used to be a bit of a bar-room brawler (in the sense Dr. Salla means it of Michael Horn) in defense of BEAM, but I have seen the light, and have redirected my little blowtorch-of-truth away from their soft underbellies in an effort not to unfairly burn them with it. Praise Creation! More prosaically, I assume cheese is even worse, being basically concentrated milk, but let’s not go crazy. Nobody panic, OK? Milk robs the body of calcium. If you stay physically fit and strong, you won’t likely suffer from osteoporosis because you will grow strong bones to support your strong muscles. We still eat/drink some dairy products as a part of a well-balanced diet, and on my birthday I customarily do the same number of push-up as my age in years. (56.) Anyway, I dug out one reference in the 1989 contact notes about milk which will appear here: www.gaiaguys.net/meierv5p316-317.htm as soon as Vivienne and I check it. I may have overstated the danger, since I can’t find the original reference to which I referred above. Enjoy your tea, Junior. :-) Thank you, Newinitiation for your generous bouquet. We see it less as a fight than simply flicking on the light switch, to see the cockroaches scuttle. (I lived in Biloxi.) When you discover how Creation’s currents flow, and keep them at your back, the progress becomes as swift as it is effortless. In that regard, we just got another six(!) important documents from the Victorian Civil and Administrative Appeals Tribunal (who are supposed to be prosecuting us in Melbourne for religious vilification and victimization) informing us that there has been yet another mysterious delay in their legal proceedings, this time until November 20th! What are they trying to avoid? ;-) And where is the Eastern Templar Freemasons’ (self-described 666 folks) January media release? And our eviction notice from the July defamation verdict? Why are we waiting? Anyway, the Establishment’s increasingly desperate agenda evidently changed when denying the existence of ET became untenable. Now Billy can be lost in the crowd of those in CSETI, for instance, whose “ET contacts” only occur in their “dream-states”, which are considered quite valid. :-O And thank you also Melli. And then there’s the issue of A1 milk, too, right? Of course nobody wants to hear that they may be harboring some delusions, because one cannot refute that charge any more than the accusation that one is barking mad, but certainly happiness is one of the indicators that things are as they should be – BUT – let’s not forget that positive degeneration is every bit as dangerous in the long run as negative degeneration, as evidenced by the ruined lives of many who practice euphoric meditation techniques. While I’m at it, there is sound scientific evidence that TM does actually work to spread peace. It is pretty abstruse, and deals with a perturbation of the Quantum Unified Field. We have some links on our opening page. Please look for www.permanentpeace.org under Billy’s peace symbol. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hi Dyson, I read your response to Smythstar in regard to Bill Chalker. If B. C. is paid to write all this info. by the goverment, does this mean that the website called 'ufoevidence' also circulates fraud information? specifically asking because it has a few articles about australia's pine gap (area 51)So what is P-G? are there really secret underground labs and so on? | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Dyson, I was reading the email exchange between you and Salla and I was smiling because I have met him. I was intrigued by what Salla had to say but it never sat comfortably in my mind it was only a month after I found Billy's website and I didn't have enough time to read the information but I trusted my gut feelings that told me that something is 'amiss'. Maybe you could also inquire with Salla about the french pilot who joined him in his ventures of public speaking. The same person who published the letter on the web titled: "Do you wish us to show up". I also met him and my senses were telling me something different to what I was seeing but I was still questioning the ideas and possibilities, and posted a question on this board last year sometime. I feel nauseous when I realize that people can be so deceptive, WHY? From your earlier reply- where can I read the information the Plejaren offered Billly in regard to milk and how BAD it is? Now I am really curious... | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Melli, In reply to your 54th posting, I think it’s important to understand how counter intelligence propaganda works. There is an instructive article here: www.gaiaguys.net/DP-DDT.htm Certainly I would read what Bill Chalker writes with an informed eye, but – by adding fiction to fact, some facts may be dismissed, throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Certainly your own research will tell you that there is a lot going on underground, both figuratively and literally, but the Pine Gap boys are HARDLY going to let Bill Chalker write anything they don’t WANT him to write. And it’s not the “government” per se, like the Howard, Bush or Blair “governments” with the deep pockets, it’s the above-the-law, privatized, transnational military-industrial complex and all their minions. And in your 55th posting you write, “I feel nauseous when I realize that people can be so deceptive, WHY?” That’s an easy one. In a word, power. They are losing it. I advise in the strongest possible terms that you obtain the Kay Griggs DVDs. They are WELL worth the money. (Please see www.gaiaguys.net/kaygriggstalks.htm ) I’ll have to paraphrase, but she said something like, “When I first encountered all this, I thought it was like one of those 1000-piece jigsaw puzzles, but the more I understood, the more I realized that it was more like one of those children’s jigsaw puzzles for 6 year olds with eight pieces.” In short, it’s little boys posing as big men. Pathetic cases of arrested development. I WISH I could share with you the personal stories that come our way from the victims who dare not publish. There’s a bit here: www.gaiaguys.net/aus.childabuse2005.htm & here: www.gaiaguys.net/Masonicsexabuse.htm Or to quote Dr. Steven Greer, the Director of the Disclosure Project, “Many people will consider the technological and economic impact of such a disclosure as the central justification of continued secrecy. After all, we are talking about a multi-trillion dollar per year change in the economy. The entire energy and transportation sectors of the economy would be revolutionized. And the energy sector - the part where non-renewable fuels are purchased, burned and have to be replenished - will utterly vanish. And while other industries will flourish, only a fool would dismiss the impact of such a multi-trillion dollar segment of the economy disappearing. Certainly the ‘vested interests’ involved in the global industrial infrastructure related to oil, gas, coal and internal combustion engines and public utilities is no small force in the world. But to understand UFO secrecy you must consider what all that money represents at its core. Power. Massive geo-political power. One must consider what will happen when every village in India (or Africa or South America or China) has devices which can generate large amounts of power without pollution and without spending huge sums of energy on fuel. The entire world will be able to develop in an unprecedented fashion - without pollution and without billions spent on power plants, transmission lines and combustible fuels. The have-nots will have. This would widely be considered a good thing: after all, much of world instability, warfare and the like is related to mind-numbing poverty and economic depravity in a world of great wealth. Social injustice and extreme economic disparity breeds much chaos and suffering in the world. These decentralized, non-polluting technologies would change that permanently. Even the deserts will bloom...” (www.gaiaguys.net/DPBriefingDocument.zip) Re: milk … see www.gaiaguys.net/meierv5p316-317.htm for our (now) on line translations you inspired. As I said, I may have overstated the risk, but I do seem to remember the other warning somewhere among the thousands of pages about it being particularly bad for children. Common sense prevails, I hope. And this whole calcium thing is pretty odd. If you buy tahini (sesame seed paste) made form un-hulled seed (the hulls contain most of the calcium) you get (from all I can gather) LESS calcium, for the same reason, I guess, as with milk. Some areas of study are complicated, and no desire on our part for simple easy answers makes any difference to the facts. Hope this helps, Dyson | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dyson, Thank you for the information, I sense how this planet is crying for help. All the world corruptions and coverups are making me dizzy but the more I read the more I want to know but I can also understand how 'out of this world' it all sound to the so called 'intellectual' person let alone the averge suburban person who has real daily worries to be concerned with. I am a nous but most people's ignorance are primarily the result of fear. So... how does one retain all this fascinating information, and especially Billy's teachings? What do I ask of my spirit? | ||
Wayne Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2004 |
15 Feb 06; TO DYSON of Gaiaguys: RE: YOUR POST NUMBER 112: I am happy that you responded reference to NEXUS magazine; as suspected by me... however some good info comes out of it. Inform me of Pine Gap (references..); as it is of concern to me. In Abq. NM the airport is supposed to be over an underground base. Contact notes (#40 -46) mention extensive underground activities..ancient tunnel systems..and all the rest...Underground civilizations... And ya know all the other stuff (Roswell; Dulce...Sandia Labs; Los Alamos...) that goes on in USA. (I reside smack in the middle of these awful places!) See, Nexus had some group of stories about MILK HAZARDS and some other subjects worth looking into. If you guys overlook the 'hurt' Nexus imposes by ignoring you, then the stories (some of them), themselves are worth the look. I recall story of Noah's ark and expidition to Turkey and the evidence recovered co-incides with info found in the Contact Notes (age of ark being found to be over 100,000 yrs old). with kind regards; Wayne Eligur | ||
Vestri New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2006 |
Thankyou for the warm welcome I just received, good people! Gaiaguysnet said "But I agree with you about milk, and basically removed it from my diet many years ago. And the Plejaren have also told us (in one of the more recent contact books) that cow’s milk is BAD for adults and VERY bad for children." Then why is it mentioned in the contact notes that Queztal likes to milk his cow when he goes home? It didn't mention that the plejarens have diferent cows to ours. | ||
Barbarotico Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 12-2005 |
maybe they have more evolved cows... cows that maybe know to read and write... | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, Just briefly ... Dear Melli, How to remember this stuff? Repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition. You may have noticed that in a lot of Billy’s material he says the same thing several times in several different ways. Learn German. Read the material, then read it again, and again, etc. Dear Wayne, I’m no expert on Pine Gap except to know that over the years a whole string of different lies have been told by The Authorities about its primary use. (There would be more than one use for the place.) Why do I know they were lies? Because they kept changing their story. The best thing to do is just search the Net and use your own sound reasoning to winnow the few grains of truth from the huge pile of chaff, in my opinion. And that goes for NEXUS, too. Sadly, many folks lack sufficient reason for this and accept unthinkingly all that they read there BECAUSE they read things in there that they know to be true. And it’s not “our” story that we’re dirty about. It’s deliberately omitting the entire Untouchable Pedophile Elite issue because it’s too hot, while concurrently implying that they fearlessly do all the issues, allowing people to think that it’s all a paranoid delusion. It ain’t. Please see www.gaiaguys.net/vic.links.htm Dear Vestri, Welcome! And thanks for your good question. 1.) I don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion that the cows on Erra are exactly the same as ours in this respect any more than it’s all that likely that their fruit and vegetables are like ours. In fact, we are told that they are not, and in that little translation about milk I just did, you’ll notice that that topic is touched upon. 2.) I think, like all of us, Quetzal … being only human … might indulge in a few things that are “bad” for him from time to time. Or at least might be bad from a dietary standpoint if he were eating Earth food – or (of course) taking things to excess. If milk’s greatest sin is merely to rob the body of calcium, then – as I suggested earlier – other sources of this essential mineral could be found elsewhere, etc. I think the warning is chiefly for people who rely totally on milk for all their calcium needs, as many ignorant but well-meaning parents do for their kids in the West, where milk is pushed by the (theoretically) responsible ones as the best source of this nutrient. And there was a 2003 article in the German press on the same page I scanned the translation from that basically said the same thing, so this one was not unique. I reckon our Earth scientists knew about it all along, but couldn’t fight the powerful dairy lobbies. Similar scandals are being revealed right now about U.S. and Australian climatologists being muzzled about global warming by the lapdogs of Big Oil who pose as our government representatives. While I’m on the topic of health warnings, milk is not the ONLY heath risk we are warned about, but I simply don’t have the time to list all that we’ll cataloged already from the thousands of pages of German language material we’ve read so far. Here are a couple: HAIR is seemingly more important than we thought, and the Plejaren have tested every single hair coloring product on Earth’s shelves, only to find all of them dangerous to our health. (Yes. I know this is weird, since hair is “dead” tissue like fingernails, and has no blood supply, etc.) But it reportedly makes the users more stupid (or less intelligent)! The last time I went to town, I noticed that I think Vivienne was the only woman I saw who did not color her hair. I’ll try to dig the particulars out of the contact notes one day. I don’t understand this, but can only assume – like so many things – our understanding of the complex way things work is not adequate, and there are perhaps fine-matter reasons. (By the way, Semjase died her hair red at one stage (!), Ptaah said, "Our women are not with a certain vanity" And Erran hair colorings are also used as medicine.) STUFF WE SMEAR ON OUR SKIN finds its way into our bloodstreams and causes all sorts of havoc with our immune systems. PARTICULARLY with little children. DEODORANT is apparently particularly dangerous, as is soap and over-washing! I could go on, but the day wears on too, so I’ll have to leave it there. We wish somebody else could do some translating! Gesundheit! (Health!) Dyson | ||
Vestri New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2006 |
You may be onto something there, Barbaritico! But seriously, why would Queztal have a cow to milk in his backyard for, if it is not to drink the milk that he milks from the cow? It could be for the cow to eat and mow the lawn for, but I don't think so, because it is mentioned that Queztal has his own personal android at home to take care of duties. The android could easily cut the lawn with whatever space age lawnmower they might have. Also I don't think they would like having all the cow's menure scattered around on the lawn too. So that leaves question why would Queztal have a cow to milk in his backyard for, if it is not to drink the milk that he milks from the cow? Could it be possible that they have genetically altered the cow so that the cow's milk is suitable for human consumption? | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 198 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi to all maybe they make yogurt and/or other products with the milk, i remember reading somewhere that plejarens said that it is good for health take care | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 275 Registered: 06-2000 |
It could be that his cow is udderly neglected by his travels . A few good pulls and she's good as new ......? Or maybe he uses the milk to make yogurt , which is gamma-interferon rich , and considered as medicine to them , called 'salubritason" . Translated I believe it means " Health Clarifier" . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Vestri New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2006 |
hmmm.....I've just experienced the problem I've noticed that this forum has from people's post's not being posted/put in straight away when they post it? But, I'm not complaining here though because I'm well aware of the good reason behind why this forum has this particular policy at this forum for. One good thing about it is that it keeps out any rude spam posters posts. Hello Vestri, Sad to say, but yes there is a delay at times before posts "magically" appear. Recently the number of posts seems to have increased, and proportionally the number of "bad" or unacceptable posts has gone up. There can be from 6-30 posts waiting in the queue at one given time. This requires some time to sort through them. In addition, people are not always conscious of which area is the best area to post in. This usually comes from lack of knowledge; due to lack of research into the many areas of information/categories that have been developed since the inception of the forum back in 1999. I have noticed trends in which a wave of new people will appear, but in time this wave recedes, and is replaced by another new wave of interested persons. Then there are the bottom dwellers like myself that cling onto the rocks below and ride out the currents Scott-Moderator | ||
Savio Member Post Number: 537 Registered: 07-2000 |
One possible answer is Physical Exercise. It is mentioned that all human beings must perform some certain physical exercise to keep them in perfect balance, physically and spiritually. Hence, do not let your husband/wife or android perform all the task for you Regards Savio | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 114 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi again Vestri! I'm assuming he drinks it. When he's away, we are told the androids milk the creature. See also my replies 1 & 2 above. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Wayne Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 07-2004 |
16 February 2006; Hey Gaiaguys; YES !!!! - The Dirt is creeping out of the closets of our GLORIOUS LEADERS worldwide, in fact. Yes, OMISSION is equal to a 'lie' in lots of ways...kind of like prevention of getting air to a gasping person. Yes, each person must critically analyze the facts ..... That was a well taken point !!! I do appreciate all your translations of all Figu items. Regarding foods on Erra, it was stated one peice of fruit could sustain a person for a long while, alone. They have 400 ft. high trees; and they all concede that fresh picked fruits etc.. are the best all round. An article on the WEB reiterated a fact made in the contacts about foods (fruits/veg.s) having 50% less vitamins than some years ago...This from the booklets published by the USDA in the 1960's - compared to samples taken in 2000. Meier stated our foods are now mostly CHEMICALS. Milk is for calves; mother's milk is for kids..simply stated. Soy products (and the plant looks like a HARP) are very noxious for all consuming them; Orientals use only 2 tbs. per day; and mostly in a fermented form: Soy Sauce; TEMPEH; MISO, etc... In this study, it compared oriental diets from 50 years ago and again today with little changes. Of course, Orientals mostly are glad to get to get a bowl of rice a day!...let alone any meat or so on! Meier stated that in general, worldwide SLAVERY, is around 180 million persons in the trap. Chinese people KNOW about SOY because ah, I'm guessing SOY was a 'gift' (poison in German) from our GLORIOUS star ancestors live long and prosper; with kind regards; Wayne | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2006 |
hi scott, well i love hearing about information and knowledge to do with the spirit as well as also especially to do with extraterrestials too, and think I already know now which one of those categories you had posted there, that I most likely probably belong too. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 12-2005 |
"HAIR is seemingly more important than we thought..." - Gaiaguysnet: Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 12:35 pm. I figured that might be the case when it occurred to me, after viewing their portraits, all of the Plejaren(for whom a portrait is available) men have relatively long scalp&facial-hair. The validation of my inference comes as no surprise as one would expect the actions, both inward as well as outward, of men-of-creational-principle(scientific and philosophic) to be in complete accord with the nature of existence(this is the only rational choice). As an interesting aside, considering we are told that Plejaren women have an affection for facial cosmetics(at least 'eye shadow'), this seemingly pointless(I like my girlfriend better without makeup) and superficial act must also bear some significance - and if I were to take a guess: a significance in describing the fundamental differences in nature between men and women, and the relationships that ought-to ensue between them(He he - found what to ask Billy the next Q&A session around). | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Dyson could it be my imagination or what, but we seem to get a lot of main stream press coverage of iraqi prisoner abuse scandal rehashed with old images being shown again and again along with the british troops violent man handling of iraqi teenagers. Just last night in nightline, a muslim US army chaplain was interviewed extensively of his own harrowing stint in the guantanamo bay prison on trumped up charges of betraying his country and aiding the enemy. This signals to me that there are extensive efforts underway to further incite and inflame the muslim sentiment like what the cartoon fiasco did to further violence which the western media can play out thereby giving the neo-cons and their cabals a pretext with the fuelled support garnered to attack Iran and maybe Syria. Seeing as Iran opened it's oil bourse pegged to the Euro just as Iraq also had the intention of doing before it got swept over, it may just be one among many reasons for the bush cabal to attack at least the Iranian nuclear facilities thereby justifying the reasons that it was about the danger Iranian aspirations for developing nuclear weapons posed to the world, unbeknownst to the rest of the world that it was really about saving the US global hegemony which depends on energy from oil, the dominance of the US dollar, the US econonmy and all the above factors that underpins a mighty military therefore world dominance. Dyson will you be covering the goings on of this catastrophic turn of events on your web site. I know you and vivienne have so much on your plate as it is but seeing as you have hundreds of thousands of hits on your web site, maybe this is one among many information for those not in the know, they need to know? With my limited capacity, how can I be of help if I can in some way? kind regards | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 155 Registered: 07-2005 |
Of course, Orientals mostly are glad to get to get a bowl of rice a day!...let alone any meat or so on! Chinese people KNOW about SOY because ah, I'm guessing SOY was a 'gift' (poison in German) from our GLORIOUS star ancestors to Wayne Hi there, I just wanted to ask you on what context you have said the above for it seems on the surface your words contain some hint of derision for the Asian people unless of course I have falsely judged the premise in which you wrote what you did. The fact is what you said was factual enough but I've never encountered our west as having no hungry people who are glad to get to get a loaf of bread let alone any meat or so on! Mate If you go to one of our shopping centres in any region here in Australia, there is isles and isles full of this stuff branded as health food product certified by many supposed health food experts. So who isn't consuming this stuff The Chinese people are thriving nonetheless amid all the poison they are consuming, so who is complaining? just remember Wayne point taken is point well received only when its done with honesty and bit of humility. Freedom of expression should not be abused at the expense of people's sacred rights it rests upon. take care | ||
Wayne Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 07-2004 |
17 FEBRUARY 2006; NEWINITIATION: HEY There: In the whole post of mine (I was really addressing Gaiaguys), I was reporting on my going through the WWW - and to tell you, more at what I am saying: Soy is a food with 'unknown' to most people, hidden qualities. such as plant hormones, and various toxic stuff. They can't remove these toxins (modern ways are useless). The poverty rate in the word is 80% and that includes, also underfed people everywhere. I was reading FIGU's book called 'Prophetien' and in it said that unknown to most persons, there exists 'a famine' condition in the US city of Detroit, Michigan. The stores full of REALLY fine looking food is a 'front' that satisfies needs of the monied masses; and effectively hides the reality of what FIGU/Meier is howling about: The present state of the world. Yeah, but I admire Orientals, Matie! I do martial arts of a kind and like the Chinese..etc...alot, there. I just wanted to set it OKAY by me, with you. By the way, did you know what I found out? Every 757, 767, 777 airplane has a antihijacking system installed with lots of sensors/cameras to prevent such a 11Sept01 thing from ever happening. The thing senses any unusual thing, then locks all controls, activates a nose camera, then a ground controller lands the plane. And the computer over rides any illogical maneuvers, that would be dangerous...like turning the plane SIDEWAYS - that would never be allowed - as seen on the terrible instant replays made by all the highly corrupt TV networks. All the 11/9/01 planes were 757's | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Newinitiation, For what it's worth (?) I happen to agree with you 100% on your post #154. We have no immediate plans to cover this, as most of it is a "blind Freddy" thing for those in the know, and unbelievable for everybody else. Yes. Stretched FAR too thin with all that is happening now with TerraX on Michael Salla's p4c Yahoo list, the OTO, several new translations, etc. How can you help? Spread the truth, my friend! Thanks! :-) Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 156 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Wayne Thanks for your gracious response there wayne. I feel fortunate to be among such likeminded people who are beyond prejudicial and discriminatory mental baggage and echo the sentiment of what it is that really matters in life in the end. It was pompous of me to jump to conclusions without doing my homework but I hope you can understand a little. Thanks wayne I hope to have a more meaningful lively chat with you about various other things of concern in the future. take care | ||
Wayne Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 07-2004 |
18 Feb 2006; To newinitiation: Your writing styles differ when different posts are made by you; at different times..., as is very much noticed here by me. Are two Newinitiations present, or do you have a team going there, just curious? with kind regards from Wayne | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 157 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear wayne You have to discern for yourself wayne the consequential nature underlying each thoughts expressed by whoever is sharing their thoughts to gouge and determine what appropriate responses are needed in each given situation. It's naturally a logical thing to do man, otherwise what distinguishes the nature of one fact from another? To answer your question would make you and myself more of the fools that we already are, you have to depend on your own clear judgement. Matter of fact I amused by the question at all. Anyway humour or be it ill humour aside we can all learn to get off the beaten track and ride the wave that'll get us further on the right path. take care | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear All, I would like to ask any one using MSN Messenger to add me to his list. For different reasons I don’t want to type all of them up here. But the main reason I just would like to have some people that know about the Meier case to be on my chat list… Althought this email doesn’t look like a hotmail account, it will work. Trust me… I can even explain how it works. Any way to my email… jr_ba@whoever.com Or even skype… account is “jr_beay” It would be much appreciated to have some people to chat with every once in while… I hope i am not breaking any forum rules by this post... if i am, moderator except my apologies Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Pudd New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2006 |
I'am well researched on the meier case.Never have I felt such freedom & love.I would like to say also that as a new member,I have nothing but respect for all member's & moderator's and the truth which is absolute.My grandfather was born a German citizen with objections and so left and joined the French Foreign Legion.He spoke of service in Algeria which was harsh and spoke of laced food & drink to bring out aggression.He passed in 1985 and at 15 this talk for me was awesome so I let the question's fly if you will.Scars from head to toe and there was no such thing as escape.(Speaking German bailed him out of a few close calls).I'am here in the forum to inquire about more info on Meier & the Legion.Hoping for where he served,what division,maybe his rank,his escape(did Plejaren's help).So happy to be here;Pudd(salome) | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hey Pudd, nice to have you here! I don't know all the things you asked about but according to info I have read, Billy was on his own during that part of his life. In other words, the ETs observed him but did not interfere. Somebody chime in if I have it wrong...Thanks! | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Pudd, and welcome! You are a breath of fresh air! Do you read/write German? What have you read of Billy's work? (Or not read.) It's my understanding that when Billy and two comrades escaped the FFL across the desert, he was prevented from dying by the ETs. There seems, otherwise, little about this chapter of his life in print. Love/wisdom, Dyson | ||
Pudd New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2006 |
It is cear to me and surely all member's of the middle east and it's escalation.The feeling of 2006 and the fullfillment of the Henoch.Of course I understand fully the restrictions that Meier(&Plejaren)have with regards to the release of sensitive information,however I would like to question wether or not at some point Meier will be permitted to give out precise info with regards to the Henoch.Also I have been in touch with Disclosure Project regarding my concerns about my country Canada (which under it's new leadership is boosting are military 10 fold,as well as expanding Norad,and deploying more troops to Afghanistan)and was told that Canada is starting to cooperate with Disclosure at some level.Those who are not familiar with disclosureproject.org will be happy to know that this project unkowingly supports the meier case.500 top secret US military have come forward with statements of UFO craft shuting down and disrupting nuclear missles(since 1945) either airborn or in there silo's.Dialogue with et's they call interfacing and for decades US military have been using something called reverse engineering,which is then applied to crashed or worse the one's they manage to shoot down.For 50 plus year's the army has been successful and has replicated to some extent the propulsion & zero point energy.The proof this project has collected over the last 15 years is overwhelming as they have over 5000 top secret documents going back to the 50's.They are breaking the code of silence because according to them U.S. miltary are weaponizing space on a scale which is truly disturbing.These men are greatly concerned and would be more so if they new about the prophecies of the Henoch.My love goes out to all who have awakened there spirits.Saalome from PUdd. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 284 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Pudd ; I have an interesting story about Billy in the legion .This was told to me by one of the core members at the center . When Billy escaped from the legion ,he and two others came into possesion of a gun , which Billy held . He ordered them in a way that angered them , which made them stronger physically , enabling their survival . They came upon a well which the other two ran towards . Billy shot the well ,while the others watched all the water spill out from the bullet hole . Eventually they came upon a man in his camp / home , the two men complaining that Billy was a madman , that he shot the watertank .The man told them that the watertank had been dry for many years , and no mistake . Billy had used his spiritual power of 'realvision' to make the men think that there was water ,their anger giving them strength to live . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Consolato Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dyson, I ofrgot to say that in that 9/11 Bush 666, Iraq senario, is that what the freemason's are trying to do with Bush's 666's there over 9/11, wether or not the 666's can work that way is irrelavent, I'm just saying is that what the Freemason's are trying to do there because if the Freemason's gave Bush all his 666's (which is what the freemason's do) there must be a reason why they gave Bush all them 666's on Bush's name and for everything else from Bush's birthday right through to other things like the three days that Bush got inorgerated three times where on number 6 days. There has to be a reason why the freemason's are doing there and saying is that what they are trying to do there with Bush's 666's over 9/11 and Iraq senario I said in that chart. | ||
Pudd New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2006 |
Salome Thomas.Thakyou Dyson for you welcoming,and I do wish I had the ability of the german language.My research on Meier has me reading everthing I can get my eye's on.The west is full of ignornance.Also to you Campbell for your info from the core member.The center must be breathtaking.So wonderful to be surrounded by such honorable people,who are aware of the spirit and it's thirst for wisdom.One more thing Markc in regards to the center,I understand that Meier can not be seen by visitor's(or it's very resticted)is this for security or maybe simply his jumbo work load.I'am so eager for us the Terra human's to unite in the name of peace,love,freedom,and truths.Salome Pudd | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2006 |
I would just like to say I'am thankfull for the Plejaren's intervention with regards to nuclear testing in our past which according to them would have destroyed all life within minutes.Disclosureproject has released a documentory called "Out of the Blue" which shows a 1960's missle test and was recorded by top of the line camera's of the time.The missle is travelling at 14 thousand miles per hour and as it is filmed going obove the clouds into sub-space you see a disc come into the frame and circle the missle at which point you could observe 3 pulses of yellow lazor light striking the missle(all at 14 thou.per hr).A breathtaking thing to watch as I was greatfull that this U.S. military man had given this to Greer of disclosure.That Doc. was the best one I have ever seen concerning the UFO phenomenom and I recommend it strongly to all members.Again I'am honored to be here;Salome from Pudd. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 122 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Marc (and list), Thanks very much for sharing that story with us about Billy in the desert. It was fascinating for me because it provides the factual background for the fictionalized story about Gelion in that book series. (Please see www.gaiaguys.net/meierv5p207-210.htm) The REALLY weird thing about the story I’m about to relate is that I could SWEAR that my father told it to me when I was a boy in the 60s! (He just related it as one of his many stories, not – of course – that it came from BEAM.) Dad died a long time ago, so I can’t ask him where he got it from. Gelion and two companions are involved in a big gun battle with The Bad Guys in the middle of the desert, many many miles from water, the result of which is at least one wrecked helicopter and jeep. His companions despair and seriously discuss the advantages of painless suicide as a quick solution to their certain doom in the desert without water. But Gelion – as ever, armed to the teeth, and superhuman marksman with superhuman reflexes – sorts through the wreckage and seems to find one relatively intact heavy steel jerry can which still contains some water. He lifts it up and takes a big drink, but when his comrades approach he SHOOTS at them, and leads them, livid with rage, on a long march back to civilization, at gunpoint, refusing, for some baffling reason, to share the water in spite of their increasing agony. As he visibly wilts under the burning sun, he stops every so often to take a big drink, holding the others back with gunfire, and then sets off again with a spring in his step. Each time the heavy steel can seems to get lighter (don’t get ahead of me here, people!) and each time his companions' incendiary rage is re-kindled. Finally, they get to safety and they tell their story about how Gelion went mad and refused to share his water. Only then is it discovered that the bottom of heavy steel jerry can is entirely missing, and, as in the true (I accept it as such becasue I have confidence in Billy’s integrity) story, he inculcates a deliberate rage in order to save his suicidal friends’ lives. There is a lesson and a parallel here. Let’s remember that our friend Jim Deardorff got his start on the brilliant work he did on the Tamlmud Jmmanuel by being a Christian trying to debunk it. Praise Creation and the elemental power of truth! Cheers! Dyson P.S. Con, are you following me? Give it a rest please. Read what I wrote to you about freemasons please, stop being so simplistic, and try to find peace within you. I’ll return to your topic as soon as you settle down. Please. Have a lie-down. Hi Dyson, I have held back a few of Con's posts due to the argumentative and repetitive nature of his statements. Regards Scott P.P.S. Pudd, Out of the Blue is promoted but not produced by the Disclosure Project, and the footage to which you refer - for the sake of accuracy - is a computer animated recreation of the event which is described in the DP literature, which you can download for free linked off of: www.gaiaguys.net/ufology.htm | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 12-2005 |
Gaiaguysnet -Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 04:16 pm :"Markc...Thanks very much for sharing that story with us about Billy in the desert" Hear, hear - this anecdote was also very usefull for me. Cheers, Kiril | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 285 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Dyson ; Actually , the version you recanted is closer than the one I told . I have forgotten the details ( since 2001), reminded that he did have a canteen to drink of , and not letting the others drink of it . It's possible that Billy's actions were heard of and captured by the writer of that book . salome , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2006 |
Thank you Gaiaguysnet for explaining the DP footage to me.This is why I'am here to gather wisdom and exchange knowledge.There are many wise member's here and I 'am here with the hopes of making whatever contribution I can make.I have a quick question with regard's to Meier who at age 7 had the intillect of a 35 year old.Now in his 60's,what is this ratio now.Salome Pudd. | ||
Der_beobachter Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 05-2003 |
Hello Pudd, How are you doing? Please Pudd, enter this webpage (link below) to get a little bit more of information in regards to Herr Billy Meier. Maybe you can figure it out how ancient and wise is his Intellect. In my opinion there is nobody there able to calculate Billy´s intellect ratio, at least an Eartly human being. From gaiaguys´website: Nokodemion* Older than the Oldest. Wiser than the Wisest. *Nokodemion/Henock are the names of some of the individuals who previously possessed the spirit form that now enlivens Billy Meier. http://www.gaiaguys.net/nokodemion.htm Read the short text there and right at the footer of it you´ll find two other links: http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv5p468.htm Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Reports Volume 5, 228th Contact, Monday, May 1st, 1989, 6:05PM, Pages 468-470 http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv5p468.htm http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv6p410-413.htm Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Reports Volume 6 238th Contact Saturday, May 18th, 1991, 12:55AM Pages 410-413 http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv6p410-413.htm These above indicated webpages are Non-Official translations from German Language, kindly made by Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg, webmasters of http://www.gaiaguys.net Enjoy Pudd, and Welcome to this FIGU Discussion Board. Salome Pudd! P.S. Please, if the links are not clickable cut and paste it on your browser. Der Beobachter Edelweiß _________________________________________________ "Lernen, ohne zu denken, ist eitel; denken, ohne zu lernen, ist gefährlich..." "Learning without thinking is vain. Thinking without learning is dangerous..." | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hiya, Pudd, Ho ho! What a question! How about the most brilliant sentient being in the history of the universe? :-) "Wiser than the Wisest" please see: www.gaiaguys.net/nokodemion.htm He makes Goethe look like a piece of lint. NOTHING I have ever read is anywhere NEAR this guy, but the nature of things is that one can only appreciate the brains of another up to your own level. WAIT until you (learn German and) READ this stuff! It will knock your socks off! It will bring TEARS to your eyes with its brilliance. It UTTERLY changed my life, and I thank Creation every day that I was here to see our beloved Prophet of the New Age incarnate! Best! Dyson | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 02-2006 |
To you Der_beobachter,I'am well and delighted with your response in providing site's for me to observe.There is so much info to take in as I have been reading for months now.Thank you for you welcoming herr Der_beobachter.Now to you Dyson and your many gracious responses to me.I can feel your wisdom & strength and the life change you speak of has happened to me.I have been empowered by Meier's work and freed to protect and uphold the Creation and it's laws.I was ridiculed in my past for my lack of interrest in money,fancy cars,boats,so on.I don't carry the common emotion jealousy which has ruined many.All this in my past, then I find herr Meier and have recieved an understanding going beyond my wildest dreams.We the earth human's will be successful,which is something my spirit craves,in evolving and joining the many human races of the universe's.Love and peace to you, wise Dyson.Pudd | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2006 |
Gaiaguysnet I was unaware of the extent to which the DP resists the Meier material.This makes zero sense.However the truth cannot be denied.Let us all unite in truth members and continue to move forward.M.Horn told me of his attemps on offering the Meier case to Greer.It was met with ego & attitude from Greer,(unfortunate).Salome Pudd. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Pudd, It makes sense if the DP/CSETI was suborned by Zionists/Freemasons/Order of the Eastern Star. That's how they operate. Read our website between the lines. They have a lot to lose. And they are losing it fast in the Golden Age of Knowledge, led by the Information Revolution. Praise Creation! :-) Dyson | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 761 Registered: 02-2000 |
I feel the reason DP doesn't bother with the Meier case is the fact that Meier was ripped apart by the so-called researcher legends like Stanton Friedman & Bruce Macabbe Etc. of the 70s & 80's & those guys are looked up to by all of today's researchers. It would make no sense for DP to stand up for Meier. It would cause them to lose half or more of their membership. I think they are better served to not latch on to any one case but continue to try the route they have been going. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 03-2004 |
Norm, They say they scientifically investigate ALL aspects of ETI, not "latching onto", my friend, merely INCLUDING! Salome, Dyson | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 06-2005 |
Now to something alot 'lighter'... Naturally before we are able to think clearly, we need sustance. I read somewhere how Quetzal delivered a sack of potatoes to the 'centre' a couple of decades ago. I am curious if anybody today, can desribe these ET potatoes? what did they look like? what did they taste like? What was the sack made of? was it canvas, as in Hemp material? Is Hemp cultivated on other planets? And it is true that it was brought to earth from another planet to be a sustainable crop for most of human needs? Off track here... Napoleon tried to conquer Russia because it had the best Linen but because of the bitter winter he lost. Strange sad and stupid how history repeats itself. It sounds a little strange but I am trying to imagine these amazing ET potatoes and what nutritional value did they have? Did Billy cook them? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi everyone, Dear Pudd, ich danke dir für die Blumen! I have had so many compliments here that the torrent of sugary acid I get poured on me on the "prepare4contact" list is quite neutraised! Dear Melli, I dunno about the bag. I think it was not left behind, but I'd guess that it was probably hemp. The spuds? As far as I have read, they were just potatoes, but exactly what that might mean in Peru is not clear, given that they have (I think?) something like 600 different kinds! No doubt, as they claim, a gift form the "gods". Cheers Dyson | ||
Jrosales80 Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hi Pudd, I'm in Canada as well in the southeastern Ontario region. I am very concerned about Our new government as well - very disturbing, and I hope the prophesies do not come true. This is not a good thing for the planet Earth at all.... Toronto has a FIGU study group. I emailed them but I can't get into contact with them. Do they accept email?? Do they meet at all?? Do they sell the printed material?? BTW: I would like for anyone who wants to chat about the Meier case to add me to their MSN list. It's jrz_2275@hotmail.com. It would be nice to discuss the Meier case with other like-minded people from time to time, if this will be allowed of course... | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 06-2005 |
I was really looking forward to a description of those ET potatoes then imagening how these were cooked in a special culinary way, and everyone at Figu, sitting down to a very special dinner... my mouth is watering still... (hopefully without butter nor cream = no female animal hormones, thanks) But maybe someone knows about the sack itself, was it made from hemp agriculture? And was Hemp brought to earth by the Plejarens centuries ago for us the primitive earth people to sustain our medical needs and food requirements, clothing and books and the arts? I am asking because Hemp agriculture could benefit society immensly, yet as most valuable commodoties it is made "illegal". Infact in the early 80's, then the president of the US, (R. Reagen?) ordered all Hemp research to be burned. The same is happening currently with resarch done into environmental pollution.(EPA) | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Melli, I greatly doubt that you will find the answers you seek in the published material. I have no recollection of seeing them there. Reason suggests that some of the more unusual things on this planet, like hemp and cheetahs (who have no genetic variability) were not of this world. Almost everything that is useful that threatens our slavemasters is prohibited by them, if not merely actively discouraged. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 203 Registered: 03-2004 |
I just ran across a very interesting link on hemp. I think what you're saying is feasible: http://www.jackherer.com | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 206 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi its supposed that even the US Constitution and the Flag were made of Hemp before it was prohibited! | ||
Arie New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hello Memo00 and Hunter, Please allow me to intrude in your conversation, but I am interested in HEMP and thought I would add a few unrequested comments. I may not be correct on all that I am writing so I apologize for any mistakes in advance. As I recall the US constitution is made with HEMP as were the sails that brought Christopher Columbus to America. Further, HEMP was a commonly grown crop in the US until the government decided to first tax it and then make it illegal. This was done because it seems it threatened the standing industries of that time (around the early 1900's I believe) - Paper, Timber, Cotton and other industries. If I am not mistaken, the government also gave land to many farmers willing to grow HEMP since during WW1 it was used for a myriad of things. In the north east of the US in Long Island there is a small town named "HEMPSTEAD" which is named after the crop the farmers used to grow - HEMP. HEMP has a multiplicity of uses in the Food (from the seeds which contain 19 of the 21 essential amino-acids), Plastics (from the vegetable cellulose it produces which is greater than Corn), Fabrics (from it’s fiber – stronger than any other natural fabric in nature and last 10 times longer as well), Fuel (also from the vegetable cellulose – Ethanol), Medicine (from the seed and the vegetable cellulose), Farm-Land rehabilitation (used to reconstitute, nurture and replenish arid soils etc…), and much more… HEMP can also absorb more Carbon Monoxide and produce more oxygen than any other plan in nature – truly a necessary plant for our future and much is to be learned about this plant. Cheers to you both, Arie | ||
Sundardev New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2006 |
My greetings and obeisances. I want to ask anybody who know how to answer. When a man want to go to pleiadians planet so to be citizen of them just now as he is as human on the earth, how to do it? Suppose this question is taken fully seriously. | ||
Sundardev New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2006 |
I want to ask you please also this: I read Billy has very vast amount of books but I see a few only translated or so for reading. Next question is if some of this books are free download please and if so than where. Next question is for example I read OM book, omfalon murado and there is many think. For future time, what is the plan what to do? I dont think for example omfalon was written down for some "home reading" only. So for future, is there a plan to practice all the things we can read? Or what is some plan for future time please I mean just now and other years next. Thank you. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 291 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Sundarev ; If and Earth human were to go to the Plejaren planets to visit , it might be a short visit , or even lonely . Billy Meier is the exception , because of his exceptionally high evolution. The reason being that the vibrations of our people are quite distubing for the Plejars ,who are very sensitive to the thoughts and vibrations of others . Religions have suppressed the reality that this is even a possibility ( to sense someone like that) and therefore we have a planet of raging emotions broadcast all the time like a loud radio , disturbing everyone nearby . I hope that answers one of your questions sufficiently . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Sundardev New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2006 |
Mark, thank you for your reply which I see nice, you know. Yes I agree fully and I am known this facts. My backround is hindu, indian. Generally for hindu and indians is this way of questioning quite possible and they see that the expected answer and to fly to go to space to any other civilization and to become a guest or inhabitant is quite possible also. About how to reach it they are starting some discussion which is maybe different from one to another. But basically it is like this I suppose basically surly in this writting to you. For this indian culture they often expect some method as the answer and many yogis I suppose will teach them some advice or method even how to reach this high space civilization. But your mention it is extraordinary they will follow relatively surely also in most cases I think. On the general end, this theme is very difficult also I see especially from some practical experience. Spiritual people they are in number believing that spiritual proces is somehow limited. They think some fly out to Pleiades is real, but because there is some fatal limitation of spiritual progress regarding any individual, they are accepting this way of thinkink as some think which they believe but to which they believe it is impossible... So I see relativelly many talented man as they are stopping their progress and they are giving this higher sort of things to some next chance, to their next life. So in perfect philosophy there must be somethink which is reducing this seemed imperfection and phenomen to some harmonious conclusion at all the whole reality we see now. Thank you again, my indian greetings, Sundar dev | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 746 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Sundardev, The two main books which have been approved for English speaking people are "And Yet They Fly" and the "Talmud of Jmmanuel". There are numerous booklets and pamphlets offered by the FIGU which have been translated into English, which are available through the FIGU online store. The OM and many other books have not been published in English at this time. Some of these books have been translated, but are still waiting approval, but this takes much time and effort. It might be to your advantage to learn German, which would allow you full access to all of the publications. Regards Scott There are numerous "unofficial" translations available at the following link: http://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm | ||
Sundardev Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 03-2006 |
Dear Scott, thank you. I try to find. Thank for special offer of unoficial translations also. Thank, my regards, Sundar | ||
Sundardev Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 03-2006 |
There I have my maybe last sum of questions regarding alchemy and its smaller branches as quintessence of plants and so. I like to ask to this point if Billy Meier has presented somethink to this points please. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 292 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Sundar dev ; I think that if anyone nation of astronauts would be welcomed to another world , it would be Hindus , the adept yogis .Still they would have to prepare themselves diligently for what awaits them . In the gaiaguys pages that Scott mentioned to you , you will find a translation concerning St. Germain , who was known for alchemy . Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 06-2005 |
Thank you to those who took interest in my questions regarding HEMP. I do have a great book about the history of hemp called: "The Emperor Wears NO Clothes" by Jack Herer, and I read his website too, so thank you all again. But I am still curious and maybe someone at FIGU could ask Billy this question as a passing comment? I am curious still because a stalk has 7 leaves and 7 stands for an array of things in creation. Also the fact that all governments have made it illegal because it is so magnificantly versatile which would create true prosperity without pollution, therefore integrity would prevail (I am assuming...)so could it be that this plant was "Imported" from the stars to planet earth for the purpose of sustainablity? | ||
Sundardev Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 03-2006 |
Thank you Mark Welcomed to another world... - it is really rare accident for any kind of people. Yes, we all interested we are for this preparation and how to make it not so rare. Regarding St. Germain, I read it now. Yes, in this special world of alchemists we must now put an one special black point to our St. Germain, it look so. I has no chance to read somethink from him, some life descriptions only. For exapmle Red leon roman. What I think he is not so famous. Of course, he is famous worldwide but somehow his teaching is not so easy to find. Who is - in some "tradicional" view - is for example accidentally Paracelsus, Fulcanelli, Hermes and a list of others. Fulcanelli especially is very nice regarding some "bible" sum of all alch. writings and teachings. In indian tradition, there is for some small and nice example, this rasayana preparation "chyavanprash". This is very famous preparation, you may to buy and test it. By sastras, this preparation was given to ancient rsi Chyavana by Ashvini kumaras, they are heaven doctors, so they are from another higher planet. This preparation was one part of their process of rejuvenation, so this rsi from very old age was reduced to very young boy. | ||
Sundardev Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 03-2006 |
PS: This abovementioned chyavanprash is little bit difficult But if anyone wants to try, try trifla or triphala, it is from amalaki, haritaki and vibhitaki. There is no problem. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 296 Registered: 06-2000 |
Thank you , Sundar dev. I am always eager to learn new health practices from other cultures . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 166 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Dyson How is it all going in your neck of the woods my friend? Drowning in piles of self imposed responsibilities I gather or should I say, a gladly taken up previledge? Thanks for your continued labour as the recent articles have been very informative and revelatory Trying to catch up on tonnes and tonnes of articles on your website I endeavour to at least inform myself of is a sad task in itself knowing I cannot at present do more to help you and FIGU's mission I would dearly love to contribute more than I can. But then again, opportunities will present itself somewhere along the line I hope. Take care | ||
Kiwilove Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 02-2005 |
Hi I am seeking to download what video/audio files I can find, that is of interest and is regarded as being truthful? I know it is not easy to separate that which is truthful and which isn't? Anyway, I would like to know peoples' recomendations? For anything in this area. eg. I thought Alex Jones JFK2 was rather interesting. Is it wholly accurate? He goes on to say that George Bush Senior was involved. Is this the most accurate video about the JFK assassination? Which approves of the Oliver Stone movie. I have been seeking information about the German (Nazi) Flying Saucers, and there is information about them. Has anyone seen the William Lyne video? I wonder what peoples' opinion is about it? I guess I should not bother with anything by Randolph Winters... There are a number of videos concerning Billy Meier, which are video lectures by Wendelle Stevens, Ed T Martin, James Deardorff and Dietmar Rothe, and other set of 3 at a different/later UFO conference with other speakers. I have the Disclosure Project witness testimonies - 2 of them. I can list them all, if anyone wants to see a list of them? That I have collected so far... Harvey | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Newinitiation & everybody! (Welcome Sundardev!) "Drowning in piles of self imposed responsibilities" Very droll! :-) Have you ever been swimming with little kids who don't know that you are air breathing even though you are negatively boyant? Never drowning, but I do occasionally take in a mouthful when for instance strange technical problems or floods perturb our drive. By the way, Scott it's not "It MIGHT be to your advantage to learn German..." Dear Kiwilove, "Crop Circles Quest for the Truth" is a little old but good, and see www.gaiaguys.net/kaygriggstalks.htm I'll think about others. Salome, Dyson | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 750 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Dyson, Of course, it is absolutely advantageous to learn German Scott | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 02-2006 |
Vladimir Terziski, a Bulgarian born engineer and physicist, graduated Kum Laude from the Master of Science program of Tokai University in Tokyo in 1980. Served as a solar energy researcher, Bulgarian Academy of Sciences, before immigrating to the U.S. in 1984. [He is also an] International UFO researcher with command of English, Japanese, Russian, German, and Bulgarian [and] Creator/lecturer of UFOLOGY-101 course for University level attendance. Dear forum members, so far I didn't found anything about his attitude (critics/support) regarding Billy, Mission, Plejarens... I think he is probably well informed about "case". Does he ever contacted Billy/FIGU? If anybody here have some info about it... Peace in wisdom to all, Dejan | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 765 Registered: 02-2000 |
Anday, Vladimir Terziski is a supporter of the Meier Case. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hello, I'm not sure if I've been looking in the wrong place or not, but I'm having some trouble trying to find some information on Passive Group membership. I'd like to find out what you actually get from becoming a Passive Group member. Could someone please direct me to where I can find some information which lists all the types of things you get from Figu if you become a Passive Group member. Thankyou. | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Norm, thank you for answer. I supposed that he is (a supporter of case)... in one of his books regarding anti-gravity drives, he mentioned Plejaren's anti-gravity systems as Billy presented them before. Wendelle Stevens in "Message from the Pleiades" Vol.3, said that: "Terziski came into possession of some German documentary film describing the Nazi V-7 special weapons programs". I was only confused about one subject regarding his research of German's UFOs. He also speak about German's Moon/Mars bases, and Billy/Plejaren explained that such bases never existed... Be well, Salome, Dejan | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Vestri, There is a Passive Group membership form, explaining the conditions & benefits of membership, at: http://www.figu.org/us/download/application.pdf | ||
Daisy Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 10-2005 |
I'd just like to state a fact that i've acquired through the storage banks for some of us who believe that telekinesis and other far out scientific concepts are possible with our low vibration earth. The fact is; without a certain frequency in the earths core (or from wherever) it is not possible to ever be able to achieve these acts for quite sometime, certainly not in the next 50 or 100 lifetimes. I think this forum should be based on what billy is choosing to base it on and thats free thought and learning to understand each other and control our emotions in a manner which our true feelings are not false as billy describes. All opinions welcome although I wish this topic would leave the forum. One CANNOT do telekinesis unless affected with some rare form of an akashic/storage bank issue. I hope we learn to get serious about some matters so this forum will be as impressive to our guests as it is to us. We certainly have some intellectual members/quick learners here and it would be a worthy objective from time to time to take offensible positions like this one at risk of looking like a know-it-all....Just a thought..Feedback welcome... | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 470 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hello Daisy, I find your words questionable. How can you state that "without a certain frequency in the earths core (or from wherever) it is not possible to ever be able to achieve these acts for quite sometime, certainly not in the next 50 or 100 lifetimes." when you do not have any logical proof to back up your claims ? When you speak about 50 to 100 lifetimes, you mention thousands of years, I can assure you that consciousness-related abilities and capabilities will be MUCH more common then they are now to say the very least. All consciousness-related and spiritual abilities, capabilities, etc, etc reside in the human itself or can be created and developed in the human consciousness and his/her spiritform and are not controlled by an external real or fictional "frequency in the earths core (or from wherever)" So, your post consists of wild unfounded claims which you can't validate. If you would have true access to the Akasha-banks , you wou Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, than any knowledge you have." | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi david, that application form doesn't really mention what you get from Figu for being a passive member. I would like to know more about the spirit teachings you get from Figu. I also noticed it mentioned something there about all material offered by Figu being written in German language too? Could someone who already is a passive member please let me know a little bit more about what I am asking for here, thanks. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 751 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Vestri, When you become a Passive Member you will receive a quarterly mailing from FIGU, which contains the latest Newsletters/Bulletins (German) and also a copy of the Voice of the Aquarian Age (Stimme der Wassermanzzeit) You must be a Passive Member to apply for the Spirit Lessons. You will also be given access to the Passive Section of the FIGU Forum, which is invisible unless you are a Passive Member. With a few exceptions all information you receive will be in German. It is also important to note, that all Spirit Lessons are in German and will not be translated into English. I hope this answers your questions. Regards Scott | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 300 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Vestri ; As a regular passive member, you get the quarterly bulletins and an invitation to the yearly pasive member's meeting at the Center . As a Geistlehre member , which requires German reading abilty , you receive the Spirit Lessons , several times a year . There is a further cost from the regular membership . Mark Campbell | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 767 Registered: 02-2000 |
Dejan, Just because they agree on some things doesn't mean they agree on everything. | ||
Daisy Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 10-2005 |
Jacob, I'll validate and respecify my absurb claim on one of my next questions to billy. I understand I've decided to take an offensible position on post #16 and I can assure you it will be rectified in time. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 471 Registered: 01-2004 |
Daisy, The section to ask Billy Meier a question is still open, so post a question to him to get your questionable claims 'verified' then. However I do not count on that he will verify your claims for you and I am curious why you are not able yourself to prove your claims. Salome, Jacob "If you measure the size of your Ego to the size of your knowledge or what you assume you know, then you should always try to remember that your ignorance is infinitely larger, than any knowledge you have." | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Jacob, could you tell me how many past lives the average earth human has today, thx. | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 02-2006 |
Semjase: ...so, for the purpose of evolution, differences in opinion must arise. This is an irrevocable law of evolution which we and all other life forms of the universe must align with." "And Yet...They Fly! bottom of page 44 Norm, I agree with you, Salome, Dejan | ||
Daisy Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 10-2005 |
Jacob, I cannot post at this time because i have already posted a question, what i would post to billy would be this. "Billy, I feel that the majority of earth humans that being 51%+ will not be able to achieve significant telekinesis abilities because of our low vibration earth frequencies created by our current evolution level. Am I correct on this matter?". I will post that quote exactly on my next question to billy if you dont mind and of course no, i cannot prove my mild storage bank knowledge because of course you aren't in my head, how could i prove this? although my next question will give me some credibility regarding issues like these based on infant memories. I hope we can continue this conversation then but for now I'm not replying to any other inquiries due to the fact that we should substantiate what we've discussed thus far. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 752 Registered: 12-1999 |
Daisy, All spiritual/consciousness related abilities reside within the person/spirit, and do not originate anywhere else. Following this line of thinking what would be the level of spiritual knowledge/abilities if a person were flying about in space? The planet has its own vibration/frequency as do all other celestial bodies, but they don't determine the spiritual abilities of the beings inhabiting it. There are beings currently alive who do have telekinetic abilities, and there are those that don’t. What can account for this difference? The main problem is the varying levels of spiritual development amongst the population on this planet currently. I’m not sure I understand your statements regarding the Akashic Records. For the extreme majority of earth kind this is a completely unconscious process. Regards Scott | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 06-2005 |
While I was reading the English translation of the Aquarian Age from 1993, a thought flashed past my consciousness. I might be totally wrong with this notion so please Help, but... We know that some Crop Circles are created by ET intelligence yet we as earth beings are unable to understand HOW these are created. An idea floated into my mind and I might be streching my thinking but as a earthling I came up with this explantion: It is possible that a Beamship is somewhere above earth, completely shielded just as Semjase/Ptaah were doing when they are visiting Billy. This Beamship may be operated by an android intelligence who manipulate an energy source that perform a programmed design, a kind of a lesson in creative knowledge and so what we see is the balls of light manouvering in full sight actually creating the message of the Crop Circle. In a fact it is not the ET or the androids themselves flying about but rather an energy source that is being directed by the ETs or it may well be that ETs are working directly from their ship sending those balls of energy. Has anybody experienced the Crop Circle phenomenon? | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 211 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi supposedly crop cricles are man made, but the people who draw them by hand or in computer receive some kind of "cosmic influence" check: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/5446.html#POST15130 undoubtedly some of them are really extraordinary, and would be very diffcult to "draw"(in the fields), so it would be interesting to know if possibly the use of the powers of the consciousness is involved. . . on the other hand, the radiations and different alterations in the plants could be produced by the visitors which according to Billy go from ETs to people from our own future . . . take care | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hi Memo000, Thank you but I still don't understand, can you please explain more clearly the last sentence: 'the radiations....go from ETs to people from our own future"... I am aware that some people get "cosmic influence', but HOW do the ETs do the C-C? | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 212 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Melli in places where UFOs have been observed (or landed) different radiations and/or changes in the molecular structure of the plants have been detected, many persons say it is imposible that the Crop C. could be created by earth humans because these changes are present there, but if ET and crafts from our own future visit the C. C. then that can explain those things, or at least that´s what i think. . . and according to Billy THE ETs DO NOT MAKE THE CROP CIRCLES!!! check the "link" i provided in my last post and SPECIFICALLY what does "cosmic influence" means that something i don´t know. . . take care | ||
Daisy Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 10-2005 |
Scott, I understand your statement. I think as you say "All spiritual/consciousness related abilities reside within the person/spirit, and do not originate anywhere else" is noble wisdom that you've studied here and have learned well. What i'm saying is this; I "believe" that you have to learn these abilities in most cases on your current planet once the frequencies start to improve...as of now i'm pretty sure it's not possible for most terrans. I once again "believe" this because there is a current contradiction on the forum stating that our current evolution level (which affects our earth's vibration *PERSON TO PERSON VIBRATION) is responsible for a lot of our spiritual evolution. I could totally be in the wrong but i'll risk looking foolish at the expense of knowledge any day. When Billy clears this up I'm not so sure the answer will be very specific. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 69 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hi Memo000 I am having great difficulty finding the link you provided in the post above for crop circles; I have tried google and typed the rest and found nothing. I am trying to understand how 'future consciouness' is already here... Also, I cannot grasp the concept of the fact that our human future is already 'there'. For example; Billy saw the San Fracisco earthquake before it really happened... Having an experience would cement the fact for me of course, but just the theory and hence believing is incredibly difficult, just as I never could believe in any constructed religion, ever. I am not doubting it is true, it just that I cannot comprehend it. Maybe somebody can explain how Physics, Science are an amazing Creation, are inter-connected and a fact of reality in our distant future? | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 213 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi again http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/5446.html#POST15130} if all things were so easy to understand we would not need to live many lifes. . . and there is nothing wrong with doubting as long as you dont take it to the extreme and become an skeptic know it all. . . doubt, question all you want, but keep your mind open because the world is big and marvelous. . . take care | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hi Memoooo Thanks for persevering, I will try once again, but I am going nuts... I cannot find the link you have suggested anywhere, not even on this forum's search engine. I am redirected to your current answers (3-06) not to what Billy said as you suggested. Can you please re-post it? | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 214 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Melli just cut and paste in a new window the address i provided, at least for me it works good if it still doesn´t work, then simply use the Forum SEARCH, and write "crop circles", and from the Topics select "The Mission" and thats it. . . take care | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 12-2005 |
Topic - An Invitation Realtime Discussion Room -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If anyone is interested in the real time discussion of the Meier case I invite you to join me online at #BEAM on Undernet - an IRC discussion room. The rooms discussion will focus mainly on the Philosophical information and partly on the scientific information presented by BEAM/TJ/Plejarens. Interested, but have no idea what I'm referring to above ? - then please contact me on - k_man_mango@hotmail.com - and I will run you through the steps of getting there. At the moment this is an idea in experimental phase, if all goes well I will spend some more time 'decorating' the room and creating a website for it. I'm looking forward to seeing you there, all are welcome. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Kiril | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 174 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum members It came as a shock to be to suddeningly come to some sort of recognition, be it a potential error that seeing as most people since ancient times so unceasingly held to the concept of a god or a god figure as their creator, it begged the question from myself, 'did something go wrong when nokodemion created out of thin air through his spiritual powers, his people twice, that they degenerated so badly to such a condition we see today'? Since he was JHWH, a god, it cannot be all that wrong when religious people attribute to a god as their creator. And why out of so many races throughout this universe alone which Creation created through its powers that nokodemion lineage be the ones to degenerate so badly that he had to come back from the arahat athersate level to once again correct them towards the path of creational truth? Did nokodemion by creating his people, implanted some force or knowledge within their DNA that they were to, out of themselves worship or revere some form of force that they recognise as their creator? Seeing as the act of worshipping some form of god or a god figure originated long before our DNA was manipulated and the ancient gods malicious activities of creating religions to subjugate his peoples and since anything that happens within creation is made possible by creation, what made the people become so led astray since ancient times besides the powerful influences from the malicious gods? The act of worshipping or idolizing something is in itself a very perplexing thing to me because unless creation instilled something within his created beings with a consciouness, whether within our spirit or the whole of creational forces itself which all beings come under, to actually remember from within that they were created by a higher force, then this if true answers some, although not all of the enigma that surrounds such conditions. I thank beforehand any feedback you guys might care to share. peace to everyone | ||
Adam New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Newinitiation It is the religions themselves that are so powerful in enslaving human beings and leading them into false thinking. However, religions and the associated deceitful and erroneous beliefs and practices can thrive only when the truth is suppressed, squashed and withheld from human beings. Religions and religious beliefs prey on those who are ignorant and seek answers to life's questions. It preys on fears, fear of loss, fear of death and the beyond, fear of the unknown and so on. Religions provide false answers that only persons who are devoid of the truth can be tricked into believing. It is easy to see how the truth is withheld and hidden from human beings by all means necessary. Regards Adam | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 03-2006 |
I believe religions are a total horror, and a dead end for people who seek answers, because it destroys people's minds. People who are involved in religions are forced to be submissive pawns in the 'plan' of God. They have no self-will, no direction, and therefore, no future. Any sort of thing that you tell them is against god, and they will believe you. They are taught that they must respect and fear those in authority. It is truly quite sad to see someone wasting away, throwing out their life, basically to serve the needs of others. They are taught to love 'god' more than their own life - then what would be the point of living if you are a robot and have to love yourself less than a 'god'? That was a really hard point for me to swallow when I was involved in religion. The slow degradation and lack of self-love that you're forced to accept in the name of 'god'. I remember my self-esteem was at an all-time low because I was never good enough in 'god's' eyes. I was a worthless sinner, of no value at all. Believe me, people start to truly hate themselves, and all of their relationships slowly crumble and become degraded because of this. The people become judgemental and isolate themselves. Religions are a truly bad, bad thing. A truly sad chapter in my life, and in the life of anyone who is involved in religions, or christianity at the very least. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 12-2005 |
Topic - An Invitation Subject : How-To Irc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Forum: Due to multiple requests for instructions on using IRC I have created two small unstructional movies to this end. You may download them at : 1 - Using the built-in Irc client of Opera http://s15.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0G9I5XM3JA9LJ3AJXNJFX2YXNK You may download Opera for your OS at - http://www.opera.com/download/ 2 - Using the Irc client Bersirc http://s19.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0F5M6Y1ZAGQMI10722ZR2B71NX You may download Bersirc for Windows at - http://bersirc.free2code.net/index.php/downloads/ Note - Although there are many irc clients I have chosen the above for their suitability for beginning IRC users. I hope to see you there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kiril - #BEAM on Undernet: A place for Creational Ideas - | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 10-2005 |
hello everyone, i came up on this site and i have no clue what language it is written in. it's definetly not spanish but it looks close. any ideas? and how can i translate this site. i want to become a member. http://foruns.netcabo.pt/ | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Isabella, It's in portuguese. My sister's bofriend is portuguese and also the '.pt' gave it away, lol! But why do you want to join if you don't recognize the language? It looks like an internet service provider forum of some sort. | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 10-2005 |
sonik_01, well because gicacoca is a member, but i have a feeling that gica coca is this guy who definetly isn't our gicacoca/gicayhwh that we know. i'm pretty sure now that gicayhwh doesn't speak portuguese or give a leaf about the language. u see, i'm looking for gicayhwh. he's my bio father. weird huh? salome, isabella coca PS: that '.pt' stood for portuguese? wow. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hello, just in regards about how Albert Einstein is supposedly a genuine ET spirit. Does Einstein being an ET spirit have anything to do with Einstein being a genius and having an IQ level over 160? Is this one of the ways to tell if someone might be an ET spirit, is if someone has a super high IQ level, similar to Einstein's level? Does anyone know how much intelligence comes from the material conciousness and how much of it comes from the spirit? I've tested myself and found that I only have an average IQ level of around 100. I've often wondered what it would be like having an IQ thats at genius level like Einstein has, and being able to see and understand things that normal intellect people can't. Is there a difference in how a genius person thinks compared to how a normal intellect person thinks when they are trying to work something out in their head? Hello Dyson, I think your gaiaguysnet website is one of the most informative website's around and it's been my favourite for the past year now since I had first stumbled across it. I really wasn't all that surprised when finding out the other day that you have an IQ over 160 and at genius level. I hope you don't mind if I ask you a bit of an unusual question. What's it like having an IQ thats at genius level? How old were you when you realised that you were different there compared to how most others around you are? In your communicate with people, do you often find yourself being able to effortlessly see and understand things that most others can't? I remember reading somewhere something saying about how genius intellect people usually don't go through the same sort of thinking thought process as normal intellect people do, when they are trying to work something out in their head. I'm not sure if this is correct but supposedly a lot of the time, genius people rely more on and have better success with answers somehow just mysteriously popping into their heads, more so then if they only just relied on using powers of concentration in their thought process to think things through. Does anyone know if there's a difference in how high IQ people think compared to how normal intellect people think, which might contribute to giving these type of people their high intelligence level? | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Vestri, I think that high IQ has no relation to whether the individual has a spirit form of ET origin, or an older spirit form than the next person. The intelligence measured in IQ tests is a consciousness related ability that can be increased with practise. Also concentration can be increased through practise, for example, by practising a meditation exercise. In the future technology will be much greater and knowledge will be induced electronically with electrodes or something similar, which will increase our mental capacity. I tyhink very few persons on Earth, possibly only Billy, have access to knowledge and experiences from previous lifetimes. There are two types of intelligence, book learned/material intelligence and life learned/spiritual intelligence. A person of average book learned intelligence, for example, may have great knowledge of spiritual truths. There are physics professors, for example, whose minds remain closed to the true reality of the universe and the existence of ET life. Try taking some more tests, find where and why you made the mistake, and I am sure your score will increase. Its much easier when you know what to look for in these types of tests. Regards Adam | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 10-2005 |
Vestri, I read an article about some study done years ago on Albert Einstein's brain(When he died, scientists kept his brain in a jar of some kind) and they found out that the reason Albert was so smart was because during his 9 month stage in his mom's belly his brain was developing more of the math part(some part of the brain that helps you in math) than any other part of his brain. The percentage of the brain dedicated to math was high. Also, I doubt he was of ET spirit. Genuises among earth is commonly known. Salome and love to all, Isabella Coca | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Kiril, I downloaded 'Opera' but I didn't find #BEAM - A place For Creational Ideas. Is it on one of the other programs you said to download in your previous post? | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 12-2005 |
Topic - An Invitation Subject : A reply to Sonik_01 PostNo.22 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sonik_01: Since I've posted the info I've only had one person enter the room. Since it costs me money and time to keep an extra computer running 24hrs a day I decided to stop the experiment. I will setup the room again, with the same details, for you and anyone else that might be having second-thoughts about joining, all are welcome. Note#1 - I've configured the room to be 'private', which means you probably won't be able to see it in the list of available rooms, for security reasons. It is still accessible however - just type in #BEAM as shown in my demonstration video. Note#2 - For anyone else with questions on the #BEAM chatroom mail me at - k_man_mango@hotmail.com - this is not the place to discuss such things. Note to Admin - Spell checker work perfectly, thanks for taking the time add this feature to the forum. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kiril - #BEAM on Undernet: A place for Creational Ideas - | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 01-2004 |
to moderators: perhaps somebody can help me with something... a while ago (almost half a year ago) i mailed a letter to billy which discussed various topics that interest me. for about the passed 2 years i have had a lot of interesting experiences of which i wont bother mentioning here. in anycase i have my own thoughts and conclusions about these experiences. at first i was a little delusional, but once i worked through it all i managed to make some sense of those events. eventually i decided to write billy a letter in relation to those experiences i had. i wanted to know if he could answer some of my questions and things like that. some months went by and i started to get the sense that some how the letter did not get to where it was suppossed to go for one reason or another. (i have my own suspiscion about what happend to the letter). in anycase, i am always listening and studying my dreams, and over time i have learned how to get certain information if i sincerely want it. after months of waiting for a letter back from billy, or until i got my internet hooked up, i had to wait without knowing if billy got it or not. about two months or so ago i had a dream where i felw to the s.s.s.c. and i met billy and asked him some questions. there was some kind of communication problem between us, like i kept asking him if he knows how to speak english, and he just smiled as if not hearing me.then a dark haired woman approached us and said her name, i only recall that it starts with a "V". long dark hair, slender face. i think she's in her late 20's or early 30's. anyway, after she told me her name, she asked me for mine and i told her. then she said "oh, you're the one who/that?(dont know which word she said)..." and i could'nt remember the rest of what she was saying. then i asked if billy got my letter and she said "no i dont think so, perhaps you can send the letter again, but this time send it to me". so i was wondering if such a woman lives down at the s.s.s.c. (sorry for the vague description). also at the end of the dream she offered me and billy some doughnuts, and when i was leaving i gave billy a gold pin of an airplane and he was really happy about it. i figure i would send the letter to that person if she is infact a living breathing person, and she would pass it on to billy or whatever she would feel appropriate. since the letter is to billy and i can only write in rnglish, and billy's english is not his primary language, i figure she would "translate" or something. if i can't get any verification from any of the moderators then i will just ask the question to billy in the next round of questions, but i have been waiting so long just to find out wether my letter got to him, and now i would liek to verify the accuracy of my dream. so if the lady exists and i can somehow get into contact with her through e-mail or whatever, that would be very helpful to my "dilema" thank you moderators. Hi Peter, I think the best person to contact in this regard might be Christian Frehner (Moderator) He lives close to the center and see's Billy frequently. Christian.Frehner@figu.org Regards Scott | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello can anybody tell me what book or written material of figu's or billy's wether it be in german or english, deals with sirius and the "creator overlords" and that whole area of history? thanks Hi Peter, I believe contact 251 has some of what your looking for. Here is the link: http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/contact_notes/251st/1.htm Scott | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 181 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum memers Hi everyone I wanted to ask whether anybody knows more about what happened to MIB. Were they also deported along with the gizeh intelligences back in 1978? If not are they still engaged in their nefarious activities to this present day? Where are they originally from? As some suggests, they are artificial beings but not much is spoken of them by billy other than their assasination attempts on billy. And still they fly does not give too much account of them nor in the contact notes. I haven't forgotten the fact billy mentions that over 95% of legends, folklore aren't true. Yet when it comes to MIB, billy does not let out too much about them even though they exist and have been involved in some maligned activities here on earth to shape some of the course of history. Any detailed info is much appreciated. thanks | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 10-2005 |
Newinitiation, 'MIB': Does that stand for: Men in Black? Salome and love to all, Isabella Coca | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 01-2004 |
thanks scott for the links, is there any other written material besides contact 251 that goes into detail about the history of sirius and the many events in it's history? also i want to clear a few things up so i dont get confused... the race that came from sirius and built the pyramids in gizeh, were they "black" (as in african physical features) or where some asianesque in appearance? also, does anybody know from where huitzipochtli (i think that's how it's spelled) and all those other mayan and incan "gods" came from, were they earth born or from another planet? i will do some searching on this topic but any informative bits and pieces would be appreciated. also, i remember somewhere if i recall correctly that billy mentioned that the gizeh intelligence people have purple eyes, is this accurate? and can anyone tell me if they were white skinned, or yellow skinned, or were they all kinds of racial backgrounds and skin tones? thanks | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 183 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear isabel Yes salome | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Vestri, Thank you for your kind words about our website. Please do spread the word about it so the endless agony of the otherwise voiceless victims of the Untouchable Pedophile Elite can finally be ended. Sorry it took so long to get back to your above April 5th questions. We have not been idle. The concept of intelligence has been discussed elsewhere on this discussion board, and BEAM teaches that there are (of course) different types of intelligence which include that narrow area that Earth psychologists try to measure with their Intelligence Quotient (IQ) tests, being “intellectual intelligence”. But there is spiritual, musical, emotional, etc. intelligence as well. I thought hard about your question and came up with this: When we are little children we are not as intelligent (knowing) as when we are adults, and it is this difference that the professionals use to make their IQ. It’s simply a quotient of “mental age” over age in years. In other words, a ten year old child with an IQ of 150 would test as well as the average fifteen year old. So I suggest that someone with a high IQ would be MORE like an adult in the speed, quantity and quality of their thinking than other more normal people. It might be sort of an extrapolation from the normal improvement in thinking/knowing that comes naturally with the organic development of the brain. It certainly is a mixed blessing, because the burden of social responsibility is morally indivisible from (and proportional to) the blessing of a very functional and efficient mind. What’s it like? How do you feel when you are among a group of children? What’s it like, compared to what? I dunno. I’ve only ever just been me. Perhaps it is a little like being unusually tall and physically strong, (which I also am), so I can (unlike others) see over the tops of the supermarket items into the other aisles, and shift heavy things that others can’t manage. Certainly ordinary tasks are easier than if I were less abnormal. I read somewhere that only once you get into the very rarified air at the statistical edge of the population can an intelligent person recognize and deal adequately with his difference, and less intelligent bright people are generally not smart enough to recognize and accept that they are smarter than most. They tend to simply see others as hopelessly and abnormally stupid, when it is THEY who are the freaks. But genius is indeed “1% inspiration and 99% perspiration” and counts for precisely zero without the plain hard work that accompanies any worthwhile goal, so some people can do some tasks easier than other people simply because some people are more capable in a particular area, and those who are capable have to actually DO something. As Christian Frehner stated in his (excellent) presentation at the recent 2006 “UFO Congress”, “You are not only responsible for everything that you do, you are also responsible for everything that you DON’T do.” Very well put. Certainly our planet is plagued with gifted underachievers, and they are exemplified by the “Fachidioten” (literally: “specialist idiots”) who infest the fools’ paradises of the degenerated ivory towers of academe. (You know who you are!) And, yes, Vestri, my understanding of the FIGU material indicates that there is indeed a component of the provenance of one’s spirit form in one’s “intelligence”, but other factors like nurturing and environment naturally place a decisive role. But I think that far too much is made of the primary origins of our spirit forms, since – in reality – everybody’s spirit form is absolutely the same, as we all share the same enlivening spark of Creation, but we – being the psyche of the current incarnation – have varying degrees of “disconnectedness” from it, related to the length of time we have been on our 60 to 80 billion year long paths of incarnations. I despise this idea of identifying extraterrestrial spirit forms in Earth folks, the same way I despise racism, and for the same reasons. And I agree fully with our friend Michael Horn who writes that we Earthlings are way too hung up on the “specialness” of extraterrestrial people, when we would better serve the truth (and vice versa!) if we concentrated more on the common spirit of Creation that we ALL embody, regardless of how much we impress the psychologists, and regardless of which dim planet our spirit form originally came from who-knows how many squillions of years ago. I hope this has helped answer your questions of me. Salome, Dyson | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Peter people from Orion (not Sirius) designed and supervised construction of the Gizeh pyramids (the actual work was made by slaves and animals) Huitzilopochtli the Aztec (not Mayan ot Incan) god of war supposedly was part of the Gizeh intelligences (and this may sound familiar: according to the myth he was born from a virgin. . .), other gods like Viracocha (from South american cultures) came from other parts of the universe i think the Gizeh guys have normal eyes and are of the same race as the Plejaren, the ones that have different eyes are the MIB i hope this helps take care | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Newinitiation, In regards to the MIB, I think they fit under the category of military/secret services which I have noticed Billy does not go into detail. So I doubt you will find any detailed information on this topic. I noticed there is a small paragraph in FIGU-Bulletin Nr.19. on the German site. Regards Adam | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 01-2004 |
thanks memo00, so... we speak to one another again. thanks for clearing that up, ii read all of this stuff before but like many things, i lost track of it and soon the memories became faded. so while you're answering my questions... i must as well ask you some more. where do the m.i.b. come from? and are they many skin tones or just one type of skin tone? what was the skin colour of the orion people? or rather what was there physical appearance i should say, similair to japanese, african? what about krishna, from hindu mythology, do you know if he wa an actual person, or just a story? was he an e.t.? also in mayan legends i read about a story about a white skinned man with a long white beard who left imprints of his feet wherever he walked, do you know anything about that? also one more thing... does this sound familiar to you, like maybe you seen paintings of them or read some info about them... beings who's head's are 95% eyes (as in they have two eyes that take up about 95% of their head)and they look sort of like steven spielbergs E.T. i think they have like a little slit for a mouth or a beak or something. there skin colour is yellowish and light greenish. thanks. oh yeah, and who the guy from egypt that went to south america and fought with another "god" but lost and went back to egypt? thanks again. | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 10-2005 |
Happy birthday to all the April people! Salome and love to all, Isabella Coca | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 222 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi again Peter the MIB come from Sirius and supposedly have glowing eyes i don´t know what skin color they have, only that there are only a few ones left and that they are not a threat for humankind anymore. . . i also don´t know to which race belong the Orion people, only that supposedly they came from other "dimension" i remember once reading in the contact notes that Billy spoke of Krishna as if he was just another human who assumed the role of "almighty god" like Jehova and many others, i imagine he was also an ET but im not sure in many Prehispanic cultures there are engravings of bearded people (the natives don´t have beard) and also stories about men with different skin colors, for example it is believed that the Olmec were of black race (search for pics and see the gigantic stone heads) among the Aztec there existed the story about Quetzalcoatl (a white bearded man), known better as the "feathered serpent", supposedly it is the same god that was called "Kukulcan" by the Maya in reality he was a Plejaran and went to México (North America) to try to eradicate the human sacrifice that was imposed by Huitzilopochtli, but he didn´t had success so he left and about the big eyed people, i have never heard of them take care | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 02-2006 |
Gaiaguysnet: "When we are little children we are not as intelligent (knowing) as when we are adults, and it is this difference that the professionals use to make their IQ. It’s simply a quotient of “mental age” over age in years. In other words, a ten year old child with an IQ of 150 would test as well as the average fifteen year old. So I suggest that someone with a high IQ would be MORE like an adult in the speed, quantity and quality of their thinking than other more normal people." Hello Dyson, thanks very much for replying to me there. I don't really understand how you say there that someone's IQ level is related more to their "mental age" more then it is related to their intelligence level? Then why do all IQ tests say that the test results are a measure of someone's intelligence level in comparision to other people's? Spiritual section, Jacob said: - "The material intelligence uses the information stored in the material sub-consciousness and this information can be logical and illogical, depending on the level of evolution of that personality. A person can be a professor and be very smart, but if he/she never learned to ice-skate, then he or she will be very poor at it first, although it does help to have a highly developed intelligence to learn faster." http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/5636.html#POST16560 Dyson, I think you were also being very modest there too, with talking about and appearing to play down your genius IQ level of 163. The average IQ score is 100 and the standard deviation (a statistical measure of the spread of results away from and average) is typically 15. Statistically this means: . 2.5% of people are mentally deficient / impaired / retarded (under 70) . 50% of people have Intelligence Quotient scores between 90 and 110 . 2.5% of people are very superior in intelligence (over 130) . 0.5% of people are near genius or genius (over 140) http://www.remarkable.co.nz/learningweb/iq.htm Can a high genius IQ level be the most likely first indication of an ET spirit? | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 02-2006 |
Dyson: "I despise this idea of identifying extraterrestrial spirit forms in Earth folks" Dyson, I apologise if I appeared there at the end of my prior post (as well as prior post too) to be trying to identify you as an ET spirit. I'm not, it's a seperate question. I also like to say that I don't see ET spirit's as being anything like as though they are "alien" to me/rest of us. If anything I would look up to these type of people (if I'm aware they are an ET spirit) and would see them as being nothing more then being people of higher wisdom then me, or maybe even see them as being a potential great teacher of society if they are teaching. (Billy, Einstein, ect) | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Vestri, As I understood from the teachings, that you identify the wise by their fruits, not by them being ET's just a thought... regards, Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello everyone, On the german forum I saw a post regarding a link about a Russian child, its quite interesting article. http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378/16387_Boriska.html regards, Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 04-2003 |
According to Billy, the most telling indicator that a person has an ET spirit form is that he lives in accordance with the laws of Creation. Material intelligence is not necessarily an indicator of evolution. Those that appear stupid may live more in accordance with Creation than geniuses. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Vestri, Thank you for the somewhat misplaced flowers. I’ll try to respond to your questions sequentially. “I don't really understand how you say there that someone's IQ level is related more to their "mental age" more then it is related to their intelligence level? Then why do all IQ tests say that the test results are a measure of someone's intelligence level in comparison to other people's?” Easy. The “mental age” that constitutes half of the “Intelligence Quotient” is obtained by testing a huge cross-section of the (1st World only, of course!) population in order to find the averages. Therefore, your IQ number is obtained by using this determined average “mental age” of lots of people … against which you are compared, so one person has one number, and another person has another. It fulfills the childish need to say, “Mine’s bigger!” and of course fuels destructive ego competitions and makes almost everybody feel inadequate. Thank you Earth psychologists. (sarcasm) Here’s an interesting thing: we are told that Billy had the mental age of the average 35 year old Earthling after his experience with Sfath’s helmet-like device in 1944. That means that when Billy was seven, he had an IQ of 500. I’ve no doubt that he’s improved since then! Is Dr. Condaleeza Rice (for example) stupid? Obviously. Do you think she has a high IQ? Of course. I think it’s OF THE GREATEST IMPORTANCE not to confuse a high IQ with wisdom, as they are actually often seemingly almost opposite characteristics, as some of most gawd-awful STOOOPID people I’ve even met also have the highest IQs. And if you accepted that, dear Vestri, then you would know that any modesty I might be displaying about my statistical rarity is not misplaced. Brains (wisdom) without heart (love) is neither. Please see: www.gaiaguys.net/Humandoesnotknowlove.htm “Can a high genius IQ level be the most likely first indication of an ET spirit?” I don’t know, but I suppose it COULD be, but I hasten to remind you that we Earthlings are a degenerate race, and have a long and tragic history of being a prison planet, etc. Perhaps that explains why so many Earth people who have high IQs (names like Henry Kissinger spring to mind) are also seemingly the most evil. Don’t forget that “intelligence” does not equal virtue. Quite the contrary it seems. Right on, Junior! “Words are leaves. Acts are fruit” (OM) I hope this has served to clear up your questions, Vestri. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 10-2005 |
Since this place is a miscellaneous place and no one has talked about cell phone use while driving, I thought it should finnaly be brought up. So tell me good people of figu english discussion board, what do you think about the states in America passing a law prohibiting the use of cell phone use while driving? I mean, they are actually making it illegal now to use cell phones while driving regardless of hands free use or not! 32 states have already passed the law. Salome and love to all, Isabella Coca | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 150 Registered: 12-2004 |
Isabellacoca, In Ohio the majority of people cannot drive sufficiently, let alone with a cell phone. I agree with the law on this one and even if I were to get a ticket I wouldn't complain because I know I am at a greater risk of endagering not only my life but everyone elses. At 70 mph if you take your eye off the road for a few seconds to laugh at a joke or to anylize or think about what the other person on the other line said you could be missing hundreds of feet in-front of you, where another car or human could jump out in front of you. Even animals can cause dramatic damage to vehicles like deer. Scientific studies have shown that talking on the phone while driving slows ones reaction time by nearly 100%. That's something to think about. Just imagine if everyone on the road where giggling away on their phones on the roads. I wouldn't drive. Salome, Tim | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 10-2005 |
hello Tjames, I thought Baltimore had the worst driving record! I mean drivers act crazy and scared in all types of weather! If it's drizzling, they freak out. If it's the flurries they freak out. they freak out all the time. to mak it worse, baltimore drivers almost never use their blinkers whenever making any type of turn and they almost always turn sharply at the last minute dead in the traffic, but yet the honk at you for days! there has been countless car accidents all due to reckless driving and of course, cell phone use while driving. it's ridiculous! I'm against cell phone use while driving becaus it distracs your total cocentration from the oad. my sister almost got us in an accident twice because was flapping hr gums like crazy at the cell phone talking to her best friend. cell phones in the car should only be used if it is absolutely necesary and if it's an emergency. but if it's an emergency, it's best if one pulls off the road/shoulder. you never know what kind of news you'll get from the other line. Salome and love to all, Isabella Coca | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Dyson: Speaking of IQ, i realized over time that are people with great litterary or scientfic knowledge, but they basically spent their childhood, teenage years studying and reading books, and not going through any real life experience (the "nerds") These people often, not always! don't have good manners, nor show respect nor contempts to others, greedy, no respect for life, love, usw. We often find doctors or lawyers in these categories (along with MBAs, accountants, scientist, engineers, politicians, freemasons...) They will often show megalomania, and they like to show before the world they are more brilliant than the rest of the world, hence there technical language nobody else understand. I now think that these people, when given position of commands are dangerous to mankind I am certain that Ms. Rice and Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle are in this category. I think also of Bin Laden (civil engineer), Al-Zawahiri (doctor), Tony Blair (lawyer), "Dr" Goebbels, Bush (a perfect moron) usw... Thinking also of that "Dr" Malla and similar know-it-alls with whom you had exchanges (who write complete non-sense article on Nazis supposely escaped in Antarctica (along with the penguins) with references, footnotes, giving the impression of an article in "American Scientific" or the "Lancer": really not impressed, i see too many of these arrogant person at my job too, they only deserve abject "silence") In AYTF, in Appendix B there is a list of % of persons with "Spiritual Quotient" and "Material Quotient". Worth reading again. Whether this is related to be a ET spirit form or not, Who cares? Were the Gizeh Intelligences ET spirit forms??? ... Another note on the side: Keep doing your translations. I read and enjoy them, plus practice german. Salome Eric | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Dyson, thanks very much for your reply to me there, as it's helped me to better understand you now, with what you were trying to explain to me before about people's IQ/intelligence level. Dyson, do you have any other/new information about Nokodemion (which isn't posted on this board) that you could add to your gaiaguysnets Nokodemion page? If yes, then could you please add it to your Nokodemion page (when you have time) as I would very much like hearing more about Nokodemion, thanks. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Eric, I take your point. But brainy people have no monopoly on sociopathy. They just often have more resources at their disposal to make people miserable. And if only Bush WERE the moron he pretends to be instead of the brain-damaged, rat-cunning, religiously deluded, sadistic psychopath he actually is. He's no blinding light, but he is underestimated at our peril. There's no law against stupidity. Cheers, Eric, and good luck with the German! Hi again Vestri, You're very welcome. Glad to be able to help. Incidentally, thanks very much for the defence on TerrarUBICON's "Above Top Secret" thread about us. (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread187745/pg1) Mysterious technical reasons evidently preclude our participation, but it's getting really funny to see how the lies about us spread from these people who identify themselves with 666. Now we are being quoted as saying that the people who are bankrupting us and taking our homestead make crop circles and fly unmarked fighter jets over our property, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.(!!!!) Anyway, we await their promised January 2006 media release with great interest. http://www.otoaustralia.org.au/main.htm Nokodemion? Unfortunately, I was a little too optimistic with my word, "nascent" on the Meier Index page, and - for now - that's about all I've got on him ... but what a guy! And I'll certainly add whatever comes down the shoot from FIGU. I've ordered Contact Book #8, and maybe there will be more there. Of course once the truth leaks out to the huddled masses, there will be a "creator god" cult just itching to step out of the wings, and I think that it is probably for that reason that Nokodemion is not getting much press. Certainly as inconceivable as the entire formal ET contact thing is for most folks, the Prophet of the New Age is even harder to swallow, let alone the uniqueness of Nokodemion and his astonishing history. I thank the Plejaren Federation for all the unconscious thought impulses they put into the minds of sci-fi writers, for all the preparation for the whacky truth, not to mention all the great entertainment. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 02-2006 |
Gaiaguysnet: "Incidentally, thanks very much for the defence on TerrarUBICON's "Above Top Secret" thread about us."(http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread187745/pg1) Hi Dyson, I thought I'd post here the post you mention I posted there at abovetopsecret forum as its self explanatory in showing what type some of the situations are which Gaiaguysnet finds itself in and is up against too if Gaiaguysnet trys to defend itself from any Gaiaguysnet some of these other popular UFO/Conspiracy related forums. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ (TerraX author of the thread "Australian Freemasons win lawsuit against whistleblowers site" at abovetopsecret forum. TerraX also abovetopsecret forum moderator too) Quote: Originally posted by TerraX "I must say that excentric rituals within O.T.O. only will fuel suspicions of foul play on its members. I'm not saying those members are guilty of committing a crime, just that given human nature people will start to think the possibility is there. That's what you get when you do a lot of stuff behind closed doors." Vestri: I think that if anyone with a normal intellect brain in their heads goes over to gaiaguysnet website and has a thorough read at all the evidentual material proof which supports the alleged view/claim/fact from gaiaguysnet website that O.T.O. members are engaged in pedophilia, performing sick sadistic rituals acts on children as well as also committing all sorts of other evil crimes at all levels (governmental, media, police, ect) too, I think that if anyone with a normal intellectual brain in their head does this, that they should easily be able to work out in next to no time that O.T.O. members are guilty of all these supposed alleged crimes that gaiaguysnet claims they do. I believe Gaiaguysnet website have provided more then sufficent proof thats far beyond a reasonable doubt which supports all their astonishing claims about what O.T.O. members have done. I also think that anyone who is continuously publicising, protecting and continously making attempts to dispute /debunk what's at gaiaguysnet website as being all sheer nonsense and utter lies, and they doing this without providing any sort of material proof to use to backup their claims to debunk gaiaguysnet website (like how TerraX has been exactly doing here throughout this lengthy thread), I can't think of any legitimate good reason why they would be doing this because the crimes are very serious, but more importantly what type of person would like/want corrupt people representing them in the governmental, media, police department? I cannot see any legitimate good or valid reason why anyone would want to be continously making great efforts to dispute/debunk the OTO material at Gaiaguysnet as being sheer nonsense and lies, only unless they are a O.T.O. member or Freemason themself. Either that or they must be stupid I think. I can't see no legitimate good reason why TerraX would want to be continously going out of his way with all these attempts in this thread to debunk Gaiaguysnet website (without providing any proof), other then he could only be doing that because TerraX must be an O.T.O. member or Freemason himself. If anyone cares to look at some of any of Terrax's past posts (which are about half of all the posts posted in this thread), they should see plenty of things/comments he said which definitely suggests/supports this view, like as this in Terrax's quote from above - "I'm not saying those members are guilty of committing a crime". Why doesn't TerraX say the opposite of what his saying there because all of the things his said in this thread so far about this matter, proves that his thoroughly researched and definitely knows most of the OTO material posted at Gaiaguysnet website and as such TerraX should definitely know that theres plenty of material proof posted at Gaiaguysnet website which proves beyond a doubt that its a fact/proven that some OTO/Freemasons members are guilty of committing crimes! So whats TerraX doing protecting OTO/Freemason pedophiles and criminals if its not because his one of them is why? | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hey everyone! since this is a miscellaneous place and I'm one of the youngest members here, I thought it would be lots of fun to talk about funny stuff for a change. you know, lighten up everyone's moods and in this excercise, it will make us all realize that we all make mistakes, no one's perfect, and everybody is human. Ok. so this is what we're gonna do. What was your most embarrasing moment ever? Alos, if anyone has any other suggestions to have some fun, please feel free to do so. PS: I have lots of embarrasing moments to share. Later! Salome and love to all, Isabella Coca | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey memo00 "the MIB come from Sirius and supposedly have glowing eyes" where did you get that piece of information? | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 227 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Peter Billy said so in the Questions to Billy section | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 792 Registered: 02-2000 |
Peter, Try here, http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/3582.html#POST11893 | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Dyson "And if only Bush WERE the moron he pretends to be instead of the brain-damaged, rat-cunning, religiously deluded, sadistic psychopath he actually is" Das ist Richtig! We forgot also: megalomaniac and infernally stupid. Isabella: Last year I wanted to call my friend`s new girlfriend, and started to talk, realizing after a minute it was my friend ex-wife...I dialed my friend old number by mistake ....ouch!! ..... Tschüss Eric | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ya know now that I think of it, I seem to recall that the Pejarens just recently within the last year removed the remaining existing MIBs. Thinking as always... Peace in being, James Truthseeker | ||
Janimetso Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hello, Bush may not be the wisest person living on this planet, yet he is a human being, also. It is my opinion that negativity can not be counter-acted with negativity, but with neutral-positivity/positivity, so I, personally, try to send such thoughts against the negatively thinking and acting ones, instead of the negative thoughts I have been sending in the past. It isn't always easy to control one's thoughts, and even if the many negatively acting persons suffering from confused thoughts may earn the "shaking" and name-calling, I guess it is better to remember that they are only humans, too. That, of course, doesn't make it any less important to oppose the many negative actions they may perform. Kindly, Jani | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello norm, you know all those different people talking about reports of mib's visiting people, well do yo have any idea which ones are genuine and which are made up? also about the part where that man described them as "hideous creatures", did he elaborate, or just simply refered to them as hideous creatures? thanks | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 495 Registered: 10-2000 |
I hope that everyone will visit www.theyfly.com and read the Newsletters, Newsletter Archives and Articles if you haven't recently. Jacob has been extremely helpful in posting all of the information there and we have a lot of it now. Michael Horn | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 794 Registered: 02-2000 |
Peter, That was an exact quote. I can't remember much more than that, in the book. You can find copies on Amazon or Ebay if you want to research this futher. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Michael Horn As always Michael, my all time favourite websites are yours, gaiaguys and of course, FIGU. It's really pompous for me at this stage to thank you from the bottom of my heart for what you are doing because I gather you already know that you along with gaiaguys are contributing so much to the cause and changing people's lives for the better yet expect only that you wish for others to be well. What would the world be without people like you guys. sincerely yours | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 189 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum members Can you please help anybody I can't find anywhere about the Swerdlovsky incident that took place in the Russian winter of 1963. It is alleged an ET flying saucer crashed in the Swerdlovsky forest killing all those on board. There exists and has been shown an archival film taken by the Russian military with the scene of not only military personnels driven in an army truck to the location doing the usual march to the scene of the accident but there is also a close footage taken of the craft with half its body buried under the ground. There was a suggestion that it was created by the russian military as misinformation but the authenticity of the age of the film, the military uniform worn, the analysis of the weapons and so forth match the year that it was made. I think stanton freedman was one of the UFO experts from MUFON interviewed for their opinions regarding the film. In conjunction with the film, there was also a short segment of an autopsy by 2 men and 1 women dressed in white lab coats dissecting what looked to be a disfigured and mutilated corpse of a green alien on the autopsy table with it's internal organs being cut away by them. This film segment was found to be authentic. Now billy did mention that there were 6 occasions including the roswell crash that ET flying discs crashed on earth. Was this one of them or was it a hoax? If it was a hoax, could this have been a russian made flying disc at an experimental stage which crashed in the woods? If not was all this staged by the military as cover for something else? 1963 was a tumultuous period with so much political unrest and the cold war at it fever pitch, So how does this incident tie in with the happenings of that time and what was the reason for it? Any help is much appreciated best wishes as always (matt) | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 496 Registered: 10-2000 |
Thanks Matt, we keep on keeping on, as the saying goes. I am also out there interacting with/irritating people on these forums, take a look (lots of pages): http://www.samharris.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=21605#21605 http://www.bvalphaserver.com/ftopict-54511.html http://www.bvalphaserver.com/ftopict-54429.html Salome, MH Michael Horn | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 190 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum members Could someone direct me to the right contact note or elsewhere on this forum about the threat of another ET civilization hell bent on eradicating the human population to settle here as their world had been either overpopulated or destroyed. I think I'd read somewhere that Ptaah found them a new home somewhere else thereby averting this calamity for us earth people. thanks as always | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 149 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Newinitiation (et al) I have a little about these dudes @ www.gaiaguys.net/AYTF-Lucky.htm Can't remember where it is in the Contact Notes. VERY lucky Dyson :-) | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 192 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear dyson Gees we are lucky indeed, god knows what other things are happening right now behind the scenes that we don't yet know about. It's amazing how as far back as when asket was here that they were conversing about telonins or neutrinos. Could it have been this substance which was behind the overkill weapon that our irresponsible scientists were playing around with that nearly resulted in our total destruction had it not been for the plejaren's intervention? Another sad but too often repeated scenario, have you read this recent article? http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1186588-2,00.html Another cyclone tracy perhaps The henoch prophecies couldn't be truer http://thestormtrack.com/archives/2006/04/category_5_moni.html I have a problem with this scenario If people cry wolf too many times the likely scenario is - the obvious I remember in the 251st contact, billy mentions government or scientist being irresponsible for not monitoring earth from outer space instead of the other way around. http://www.exopoliticsinstitute.org/Eric-Julien-25-MAY-2006-En.htm This one is another interesting article on Australia. http://www.rense.com/general70/aaust.htm Dyson will you be interested in coming back to P4C forum or better precious time served elsewhere? | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Newinitiation, In regards to the Sverdlovsk UFO crash, see: http://www.realufos.com/sverdlovsk.shtml You can also do a search on: Sverdlovsk 1969 UFO Crash - to locate other information. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Newinitiation, Answer to 1st question: No. Atom bombs, I think. Please see www.gaiaguys.net/meier.v1p312,313.htm I'll look at your links, thanks. I can’t see me returning to the “prepare4contact” list any time soon, as I started to suspect that the slimy diplomatic language demanded of me there was starting to make me feel like vomiting, and I was concerned that too much hanging around with truth-obscuring “TerraX/TerrarUBICON”, and Linda (“the-serpent-beneath-the flower”) Williams (or whoever/whatever they really are) was bad for me. I came to that conclusion when I found myself writing to someone here, “ … may I suggest? …” Washington insider and Meier defamer Dr. Salla demands a level of diplomatic language which very effectively obscures the truth completely. He is a master of what psychologists call “projection” (the attribution of one’s own characteristics/behavior to others) and is a living EMBODIMENT of the ANTLOGOS (666). I hope to do more with my p4c exposé pages, but my time is – I think – much more profitably spent on more positive areas, like translating. So much to do, and so little time! Please do visit the strange Salladians and read what I tried to tell them, if you want a bitter laugh. The “extraterrestrials” on offer are apparently dolphins, and – in a polar opposite to the scientific method – if you find an error of logic in someone’s contention, then say nothing because you shouldn’t be “negative”. He has a strange view of the nature of truth/reality. (Pardon me while I gag for a little while.) Salome, Dyson | ||
Janimetso Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hello Dyson, Some of the things, attitudes and reactions that you've encountered are similar to my experiences, too. I guess this is the case with many other people, as well. For example, having trying to find pen pals, with no real and lasting results, I have been describing the illogicality and unreasonableness of the torture and death penalty, and the answer given to me was that I was being "negative". I have tried to be very open-minded, understanding and logical in my correspondence and in dealing with people, and not forcing or offering my views when they are not asked or welcomed. It seems that it is a current "trend" of the human population on this planet to play with the words and meanings in such a way, that a total opposites of them are formed. Salome, Jani | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 155 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Jani, You write, "I have tried to be very open-minded, understanding and logical in my correspondence and in dealing with people, and not forcing or offering my views when they are not asked or welcomed." I know the feeling! Ptaah put it best ... "The Earth human does not want to know the truth." But don't stop trying! THE central secret that the "The Keepers of the Secret" are losing control of is TRUTH EMPOWERS. Salome, Dyson | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 02-2006 |
Is Randolph Winters a trusted souce for plejaren study.I see Billy has dissociated from Winters.A new net video March 2006,he was saying that Figu is now cult like and profit driven.He seems to support Billy's mission and has all the great pictures and video's to show.What is the story with Winters,need clearity.The book Star Wisdom(pg129) he talks about Greys and treaties and stuff I thought was non-sense.How accurate is his book,The Pleiadian Mission.Salome PUD | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 801 Registered: 02-2000 |
Pudd, You can't trust anything but the Official Translations. But I feel the Stevens, Winters stuff etc. is great for beginners. It helped me get involved in the Meier case many years ago. But I never use it as a final say. Winters hasn't done a video since 1994. Most of his info is old & outdated. FIGU does not endorse, support or promote any Randolph Winters material written or otherwise. | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Pudd, Gaiaguys have a page on Winters. http://www.gaiaguys.net/randywinters.htm Anyone saying or implying that the FIGU is a religious-cult or sect, or profit-seeking is uninformed, or a liar and falsifier. http://www.figu.org/us/figu/figu_in_a_nutshell.htm Regards Adam | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 162 Registered: 03-2004 |
NORM! How COULD you!? "You write, " ... I feel the ... Winters stuff etc. is great for beginners." NO NO NO A THOUSAND TIMES NO! :-( He is POISON, and consuming his evil propaganda which is constructed from a lot of truth mixed so completely with LIES is like eating a delicious chocolate cake baked by a psychopath with slivers of glass in it AND a slow-acting mind-killing deadly POISON! VERY dangerous! I know this is just your honestly held personal opinion, and you know I hold you in high personal regard, but most non-German language FIGU friends still do not adequately understand the renewed teachings, and Winters and his criminal ilk are the REASON for this, and they are a great millstone around the necks of those of us who are trying to re-establish a beachhead for the truth in the dumbed-down (by the Bafath) and corrupted (by Korff, Winters, etc.) English speaking world, ESPECIALLY the U.S.Americans. As you know, even the great work done by Wendelle Stevens was slanted in a religious direction to the point of open falsification, and Gene Andrade's "Star Wisdom" (sill for sale by Michael Horn last I looked) added yet more sectarian poison to the sickening mix. Do NOT go near Winters' twisted (and finally 180 degree TURNED) material. You cannot help but absorb small bits of cunning disinformation which can have catastrophic consequences - like the fireplace that FIGU uses exclusively for burning translations, which led to people on the "PAR" Yahoo list to telling others not to read our unofficial preliminary translations. FIGU says, "NO" to Winters for very good reasons and I agree (in this important case) 100%. No. Make that 110%! Cheers, mate! Dyson | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 802 Registered: 02-2000 |
Dyson, All I can say is it got me here. So it helped me many years ago discover Meier or I may have never found it. It was fine for my begining. I know better than to use it for final say or research. I'm sure most here were first exposed to Meier by Stevens or Winters even you started with them & you seemed to have survived it. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 163 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Norm, my friend, make the huge distinction between Stevens and Winters. That's like comparing Horn and KORF! I really think that, had I not gotten deep into the German-language ORIGINALS, I would be every bit as confused now as most of the other people seem to be who only consumed the material that FIGU either openly opposed, or the various works based on it out there in English. Christian mentioned in his UFO Congress talk that he had calculated that there were 24,000 pages of FIGU material, only 500 of which had been translated! Imagine if you had any other field of study so restricted. You would not pass the tests at the end of the term, and you would largely be in the dark about the true nature of the material. It is not for no reason that we are urged by BEAM to learn the German language. Seriously, there are a LOT of problems with the collective "take" of the non-German speakers and it is already a huge and rapidly growing army of misled people. We find more and more errors in this stuff, and all I can say is that I reiterate my warnings in the strongest possible terms. Winters is POISON. Please, everybody who loves the truth, and thinks it's worth fighting for, take the time to read this evil DUNG that I laboriously transcribed from “The Pleiadian Mission” for you all (April ©1998 Gavegin Production) which Norm was kind enough to send me. "51:27 (in reply to inaudible question from audience) Well I was there in ’86 or ’90. Ah. Billy – all these pictures were taken ’75 through ’78. The last photo session you saw, the last ship was in ’81. Ahhh. After that he has had a few (looks down, gulps audibly, waves hand dismissively and shakes head from side to side) sporadic contacts, but not much of anything. Ah. When I over there (fidgets, looks at shoes) Billy told me that they weren’t coming by anymore. He was not having any more contacts. He would have what he called social calls. Every now and then he would feel them in his head, or they would talk to him in his head. (waves index finger quickly over his head) Or he might see them over the house for a few seconds. They would just kinda check in on him. But the organized ongoing contacts for his education or our benefit were all over. They weren’t going to do that any longer. They had stopped doing that part. While I was there I did get to see ships a couple of times. In the last two or three years the people that live there with Billy say that he’s had a couple of more contacts and they’ve been written down in notes. I read them. Frankly I don’t believe them. (fidgeting) Ah. I don’t think they’re written by Billy for one thing. I think people around the house who have more of a vested interest financially are trying to proliferate the contacts. Ahhm. Billy - No-one’s met Billy. You wouldn’t know if he wrote it or he had not. No-one would know unless you understood him and his personality and how, what he’s really like. Ahh. A sad situation has kinda fallen in over in Switzerland. We have a group of twenty-four people who own the rights to Billy now. They have since 1984. It’s an organization called the FIGU. I was a member for three years. The FIGU is in charge of all of the information. Billy doesn’t read the mail or do anything anymore. He’s just not that healthy. They have gotten into a situation where that have discovered that they can make money by selling the information, and now it’s ten thousand dollars for a franchise fee if you want to start a FIGU study group and $680 dollars a year for members to pay dues to pay over to Switzerland, and when they found out that they could get into that and the money started coming in (points to temples with both index fingers) things have shifted, and we have this situation where the human element has come into play and we don’t have this warm, cozy little spiritual environment over in Switzerland any longer the way it used to be ten, fifteen years ago, so it’s become kind of a machine now. It - it almost seriously borders – I hate to use the word cult, but they’ve gotten so close-minded about things, it’s going that direction. There’re no longer open to other people’s interpretations. They’re mad at everybody and it’s – it isn’t a real healthy situation any longer. I - I kinda gave up communicating a couple of years ago. I was – all I was gonna do was getting’ in arguments with people. Either they’re mad I don’t come over any more, or they’re mad I wrote a book, or they’re mad I’m doing this or that, and that’s not why I went there to begin with. I was just a traveler on the road stopping for my own personal experience and education, much like you go to the pyramids or the Great Wall. You go to benefit yourself and to learn and keep moving on. And they were mad at me for stopping in and moving on. I, ah. Heh, heh, heh. (waits for laughter. One member of audience responds) I ga- I resigned from the group in 1990. I wasn’t mad at anybody. I just didn’t wanna be part of this group (touches temples with the tips of fingers of both hands) attitude any longer. I started getting nasty phone calls just because I would talk to other people, or they didn’t want me doing this or that. I says this is getting really out of hand, y’know, I says – I am not a follower type. Quite plainly. I’m a - a road traveler. I’m a - a troubadour if nothing else or a vagabond, so you got the wrong gut to try to control and put the screws on. So then they sent me like a five page contact to sign that I wouldn’t talk to anybody, and only do what they told me (one man laughs heartily) and blah, blah, blah. And I just kinda chuckled and laughed and said, last ditch effort of a desperate group. Ha ha ha. So I made a nice video tape set down in the living room (waving hand) an’ thanked them very much for the experience and resigned from the group and thanked them very much for the experience but resigned from the group and thanked Billy for the experience and haven’t been back over there since, so – so – I’m just still goin’ on down the road still lookin’ for thing, y’know." Winters continues in such a way to suggest that FIGU are N A Z I s ! :-( We don't need THIS being advanced as "great for beginners", and I will forcefully oppose any suggestion to the contrary. And THAT'S what's out there. Please! And check out the start of our exposé @ www.gaiaguys.net/randywinters.htm Salome, Dyson | ||
Tony New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 01-2006 |
I found out about Billy Meier and are only here because I found out through Winters, and judging by the vote count on Norms post above, it certainly looks like quite a few other people here at this forum did too. I think that Dyson has a good valid point to what he has said about Winters, but I also think that Norm has a good valid point to what he has said about Winters too. I agree that what Winters is doing is wrong, but I don't think that what Winters is doing is all that bad, if it helps to bring more people here, who may have possibly never have found out otherwise. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 803 Registered: 02-2000 |
Dyson, Most people watch the video once & move on, others will be curious & look for more info & find the current websites etc. Then they will discover the problems with the Winters info. Others that never bother will fade away anyway. When I first found out about Billy Meier it was from the book Light Years by Gary Kinder. It wasn't until a few years later that Randolph Winters put out an audio set. After listening to the two tapes of the audio set. I was hooked! From then on I couldn't get enough. If Winters had never released those tapes I probably would not have gotten more involved in the Meier case. All through the eighties most people only had Winters information and later Stevens Message from the Pleiades books to go on. I'm sure a lot of people dropped out, but I'm also sure a lot of people are still involved today because of both Winters and Stevens. Early on Winters had Billy's blessing it wasn't until later on that the rift began. What I remember translated material was given to Winters from Meier personally. But I do agree that in all of Winters presentations he powders the information with facts that he is adding through guessing and other material on the UFO subject. I can only speak for myself and all I know is if Winters never released his audio presentations it may have taken me a lot longer to get involved with the Meier case. Because back in those days there just wasn't much of it. To top it off somebody was selling badly translated Contact Notes for about $300 a block in classified ads in UFO and Paranormal magazine's. As more and more translations come forward the Winters & Stevens material will fade away. Michael Horn is now the English-speaking world's voice for Billy Meier, his work & Steelmarks & your work is already pushing Winters work into the past. So would it have been better had I not discovered Winters audiotapes and never pursued the Meier info further??? | ||
Matt New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2006 |
I got here just the other day after reading Gene Andrade's "Star Wisdom" book, after a friend lent it to me to read, who he had brought from Michael Horn. I thought that Star Wisdom was a great little book to read and as of yet have not noticed any of the material in it wrong yet, and if there is, I don't really mind as I'm just glad it got me here. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 164 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, Tony and Norm make very good points, and I quite agree that the twisted path that Winters provides can inform honest truth seekers that there IS a real (straight and narrow!) path to the truth now. But using Winters to FIND Billy & friends is different to thinking that Winters is telling the truth and is not salting his falsified version of the truth with tidbits of disinformation, and believing (as opposed to thinking logically) that you're already ON the true path, if you take my meaning. The insurmountable logical problem, as I see it, is that IF you ingest the huge amount of cunning sectarian anti-Creation propaganda from Winters – and there is a LOT out there – HOW are you ultimately going to know what it true and what is not? This is not a rhetorical question. I would like answers from those who – against the advice of the prophet of the Golden Age – involve themselves with Winters. Sure – if you then go onto the German language material you may eventually start to find the individual errors of fact, but it will take years. If you don’t, you won’t. And the PAR Yahoos don’t, or they would not be there. And saying, “Well, MOST if it is probably OK.” Is like saying, “Most of my car is OK, except there’s no more oil in my crankcase.” Or “Most of my body is OK except for this small metastasized tumor.” Another problem that I see among the disinformed is the acceptance of what I call a consensus reality – the idea that “60 million Frenchmen can’t be wrong”. If many members of the public on an unmoderated Yahoo list (where I am denied access or a vote, by the way) decide that Randy Winters is OK, is it logical to think he’s OK? MOST members of the public – as far as I can tell – are of the impression that Meier is the guru of a NAZI UFO suicide cult – IF they’ve ever heard of him. Who have we to thank for that? And if the majority believes that, does that mean it’s true? And why wouldn’t a Yahoo public poll reflect more the ideology of the covert Powers That Be … the same source of the TWENTY-ONE (!) assassination attempts on Billy? Really. Some serious logical thought needs to be done here. It’s not rocket science. It’s common sense. Finally, and I speak to all those who erroneously believe that I am motivated by anger, as opposed to love. Yes, of course – like our friend Mark – I did display some verbal violence to those who knowingly and severely falsified the truth a few years ago, but we’ve learned and evolved since then, thanks to the renewed teachings. But these same teachings tell us that there is only really one justification for anger, and that is when we confront someone who knowingly falsifies the truth. You know who you are. (JP – Please contact me (gaiaguys@gaiaguys.net) as you have not responded to my private emails to you in the past, and I need to correct you about some things you are spreading publicly – and unchallenged – as fact. Thanks.) Salome, Dyson | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 778 Registered: 12-1999 |
I must ask where is all this going? I don’t think there is any doubt of the corrupted information presented by Mr. Winters and Wendelle Stevens. The fact is it has already happened. Michael Whelan discovered over 50 errors in Mr. Winters Pleaidian Mission alone. There is not doubt the info is faulty and should not be used as any semblance of truth in any degree. I don’t know if there are too many people if any, that continue to adhere to Winter’s information over what is being presented by Billy and the FIGU. At this point all anyone can do is steer those that are in search of truth towards Billy’s works. I don’t think anyone here is recommending that a person should read Winters or Stevens’s material as a prelude to investigating further into the case, which is truly absurd. Another thing which has changed the ball game tremendously is the introduction of the internet. As everyone knows this was not available in the 80’s, and much to our demise Billy’s material in any form was hardly visible in America for a number of years. Not knowing anything else, many of us chose reading the only material we could get our hands on. This took a turning point in the Mid 90’s when Guido started visiting the states and was able to present the material in a much more direct format with Billy’s permission. While there were a few glitches for the most part we were starting to get a clearer picture of the mission and many of the fascinating pieces of information that came our way. From my perspective it has been an evolution in discovering and uncovering what was true and what was not true, and even today through the help of Dyson’s unceasing devotion to the mission we are being treated to many facets of the creational teachings. I realize the significance of sticking to the truth, and for many just being able to cognize and separate fact from fiction has been an arduous task to say the least. I think we are all in a much better position now with the realization of how the truth is so very important, but as with anything worth its weight in gold we have had to work at it. Yes we have been treated and exposed to some unscrupulous characters throughout this journey, but through our instinctual desire to understand what is true has left us with a greater wisdom in discernment and the knowledge that we must continue to work at separating the wheat from the chaff so to speak. my 2 bits.......... | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 806 Registered: 02-2000 |
"MOST members of the public – as far as I can tell – are of the impression that Meier is the guru of a NAZI UFO suicide cult – IF they’ve ever heard of him. Who have we to thank for that? And if the majority believes that, does that mean it’s true?" Dyson, I have one answer for that Kal K. Korff! I hope I'm not coming off as some super defender of Winters, & I agee he's done plenty of damage. But Winters doesn't even come close to KKK, its only in Winters later videos where he starts to slam Meier & Figu. KKK has been at it, incredibly since the age of 16 during the late 70's. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 04-2006 |
If we dive in the minds of professional skeptics like KKK or "Amazing" Candy they see just one side of the story.There are two kind of skeptics.The "good" skeptics are those that don`t trust,believe anything but their own experiences,but are always open to new influences.They can compare their existing believe system to other`s believe systems.(Believe is not the right word,perhaps experiences,knowledge).And they can extract information that suits their ideas.To be open to "Poison information" doesn`t mean to be you are going to be poisoned,manipulated by others.I`m one of these skepticals.To be honest,I don´t believe 100% of Billys ideas.He can be wrong,too.We all make mistakes.But Billys message is " Hey,take the best out of you,judge for yourself,think balanced,and doing so you`ll notice a positive change,first inside of you,later in the people around you".KKK and "Amazing" Candy message is " Man,don`t believe a single word they say because they are fanatics,that is not "scientific",i don´t care if it`s positive or not,because that man just wants money and a cult following.Myself i can´t have such following,can`t understand why,so i hate him,and i`ll debunk him by any means".There are many differences between both messages.Randi views are single sided.He only can see " the big hoax".What about the spiritual teachings?Are they just a joke?Where are they mentioned?That`s not serious.Randi surely labels Billys followers as sheep being Billy the Shepherd.We have no free will,we are being controlled,and he Randi is the local hero the saviour thats going to set us free from the hoaxer......Hahahaha You have to try harder next time,man.But i agree with many,these people should be necessary because they constantly challenge us.We have to stay tuned to the truth,be alert(Defcon 4). There was a time when I approved military intervention in Irak.Then i " firmly believed" the ends justify the means.Propaganda led me astray i suppose,just like Hitler did to the germans in WWII.Thanks to people like billy i`m no brainless stupid anymore.If we have the same effect on others as billy had on us,i can clearly see a better world. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 196 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear david chance David I am afraid upon searching for clues, I still haven't arrived at a conclusive answer. The numerous websites only gives an account of that day with the pictures and so forth but no one has yet conclusively and unequivocally stated it was in fact an ET saucer which crashed in Sverdlovsky. I know the real fruit is in the actual process of searching, the means to getting there so to speak but often what happens is you end up with bigger question mark than the definitive answers that satisfies that dry throat. I guess its important for me to find out in that it is another jigsaw puzzle found which corroborates billy's information, I can then end up with a bigger picture to look at, but obviously this is one of the least important aspects to billys information I guess but then again it needs to be satisfied nonetheless. Thanks for the start anyway | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 02-2006 |
Thank you all for clearing up Winters so thoroughly.I want what we all, here, need and want,"TRUTH"which is absolute and praticed by Plejaren and such.We are all one collective,and will be successfull at some point.I want to focus our efforts as well on freemasonry.The ones pulling all the strings if you will.The ones above the level 33 degrees Iam extremely interested as my many many visits to Dyson's Gaiaguys where at first, extremely disturbing.Here in B.C. Canada now that my eyes are Wide open,I see that we are infested.My studies are focussing on Jah-bul-on(Yahweh,Baal,Osiris)and others,and the facts(truth)of the matter.Again<I will say,I just love this site and are intense efforts to aquire knowledge and wisdom.Salome PUDD | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 167 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, What a privilege to be among such wise/loving people. It warms my heart to read things like, “…i can clearly see a better world.” I’m also very touched with your gracious (albeit superfluous) expressions of appreciation for our labors here. But I’d like to add that the truly Herculean efforts of my beloved more “silent” (only in so far as these discussion boards are concerned) partner, Vivienne Legg, to get DEEP into the Spiritual Instructions and share them with you in her various articles, is rarely acknowledged, as if in order to contribute to peace you have to have a hairy chest. Let us recall that The Meier Prophecies inform us: 151) Und zu jener Zeit wird es sein, dass nicht mehr allein der Mann die Mächtigkeit des Herrschenden sein wird, fortan nämlich wird die Frau das Geschick der Welt und der Menschheit als wahre Mutter der Erde lenken, denn sie wird ihr Zepter über den Mann führen und dessen Herrschsucht, Selbstherrlichkeit, Machtgier und Kriegssucht brechen, um die Zeiten der hässlichen männlichen Barbarei zu beenden und des Mannes teuflisches und mörderisches sowie selbstherrliches Tun im Keime zu ersticken, um endlich Frieden werden zu lassen auf Erden. 151.) And in distant times it will be that the man alone will no longer be the ruling power, because from then on the woman will steer the fate of the world and humanity as true mother of the Earth, because she will wield her scepter over the man and break his imperiousness, tyranny, power-lust and addiction to war, in order to end the times of ugly masculine barbarism, and nip in the bud man's devilish and murderous and high-handed acts, in order to finally allow peace on Earth. (www.gaiaguys.net/MEIERPROPHECIES1958.htm) It’s my thinking that history will actually record my very remarkable partner as the very first of these long-overdue women. But I admit to being VERY biased! C’mon, women! I know you’re out there and still seriously underrepresented here. Anyway, I’ve made quite a digression from the topic at hand. Sorry. Scott, thanks very much for your contribution, which demonstrates – in my opinion – far too much modesty by referring to it as worth 2 cents! (TJ 24:13. "Let those who are great in consciousness consider themselves great, and those who are small in consciousness consider themselves small and those who are in between in consciousness consider themselves in between.”) Naturally I know it’s only a figure of speech, but words/thoughts are monstrously powerful. Anyway, you write, “I don’t think anyone here is recommending that a person should read Winters or Stevens’s material as a prelude to investigating further into the case, which is truly absurd.” It was reading my friend Norm’s advice posted by you here that Winters is “great for beginners” which made me jump. And the Yahoos currently lumping Wendelle in together with Winters(!), and asking the GENERAL PUBLIC(!?!) to then decide if they are both OK is just really the classic ANTILOGOS, and I think requires a proportionate response. I naturally reacted, since, for some baffling reason, I seem to be one of the few people who has read the published material in German, and is also prepared to get out there in English to try to correct the lies, not to mention all the inadvertent errors of fact, etc. Like Billy says, “It’s my duty”. In one of Billy’s more recent books he stresses that repetition is the way to go when trying to teach, so in this sprit please allow me to re-iterate the central plank of my argument to the people who do not know the truth. The insurmountable logical problem, as I see it, is that IF you ingest the huge amount of cunning sectarian anti-Creation propaganda from Winters – and there is a LOT out there – HOW are you ultimately going to know what it true and what is not? This is not a rhetorical question. I would like answers from those who – against the advice of the prophet of the Golden Age – involve themselves with Winters, who - unlike Korf - passes himself off as a Meier SUPPORTER. Hence the danger. In short, without the 24,000 pages of German, none of you know exactly what it is that you don’t know. And if you also believe that the Plejaren are always 100% truthful, then you are falling prey to religious dogmatism. "Crop circles" is one of the two obvious examples which spring to mind, which seem to be one of their heavier-handed procedures employed to avoid the blasphemy of worshipping them (again!). Salome, Dyson | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 600 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All... As they say: "Everyone has their Own Path To Knowledge"! In other words: Another person can make/have More Turns...than the other(s)...to Find Knowledge and TRUTH! This is Simple to Understand and to Comprehend...hopefully? Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 603 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Norm and All... Those whom call Billy a Nazi...just do "NOT SEE"...the facts as they Truly are. So...THEY are the "NOT SEE"'s (whom are Blind by their OWN Ignorance). They just do NOT SEE how - The Fork Fits The Stick. So, it is time for those to try and FIGU it all out..and not - Shoot Next To The Target. And so, what they say - Does Not Fit The Ring. So, it seems they let their "Ignorance and Prejudice" Delusions take Over-Hand...above their - Common-Sense, Logic and Reason -. Edward. | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi everyone, I read that Kal Korff is a self-admitted liar. What exactly did he say? Regards Adam | ||
Daisy Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 10-2005 |
Unrelated help: how does one reduce photo quality to 50k on a high res picture? common sense would say reduce resolution in paint.. can someone teach me how please ?? | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 04-2003 |
Daisy, Reducing physical image size will reduce the number of pixels in the image. If you have access to photoshop, imageready or fireworks, there should also be a function to "edit for web". Choose jpeg and select the image quality (compression) setting that reduces the file size to your liking. It's similar for a gif image except you select the number of colors to be included in your image (256, 128, 64, etc). Fewer colors means smaller file size. Continuous tone (photographic images) are best as jpeg's; line art and graphics with flat colors are best as gif's. Good luck! | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 809 Registered: 02-2000 |
Adam, Read all about it here, http://meiercase.0x2a.info/meiercase/temp/index.html, Analysis of Korff's Spaceships of the Pleiades: The Billy Meier Story. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 174 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all! Dear Edward (Hope UR well!) - You write, "Those whom call Billy a Nazi...just do "NOT SEE"...the facts as they Truly are." I think this is a common misperception of today's reality. It has been my very bitter experience that many who do not seem to see the truth are the very ones who know only too well exactly what's going on, but deliberately choose evil. This allows us to think/believe that they are merely ignorant, as opposed to deliberately deceitful and fatally degenerate. I think that we underestimate the power of the NAZI/pedophile Untouchable Ruling Elite and the ubiquity of their minions at our peril. Have you seen this? www.gaiaguys.net/kaygriggstalks.htm Salome, Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 214 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum members I think someone here might have posted this link to a video presentation of billy's photos from the great journey and time travels he has undertaken with ptaah and samjase. Anyway here it is http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5682998030956526631&q=nasa+photo+album&pl=true | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 02-2006 |
Gaiaguysnet: "And according to trustworthy sources within the Disclosure Project (please see links from www.gaiaguys.net/ufology.htm) the Black Projects have ALREADY cloned fake ETs for their hoaxed "ET" abductions, etc." Hi dyson, when do you think that this hoaxed ET abductions will be staged? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 165 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Vestri, I did not make myself clear enough. These hoaxed abductions have been going on for many years already. Please see also www.gaiaguys.net/Lammer.htm And because they are designed to be falsely perceived as extraterrestrial in origin, they represent a particularly sadistic aspect of the internationally coordinated vilification program that has been run since WWI, which Billy described in 1997. "In geheimster Mission wurde also beschlossen, ein Horrorszenario zu schaffen, durch das die Bevölkerung einerseits aufgerüttelt, jedoch im Ungewissen über die Wahrheit der Existenz der Ausserirdischen gelassen werden sollte, die bereits im irdischen Luftraum manöverierten und auch auf der Erde vereinzelt landeten, wie aus sicheren Quellen feststand, und durch das andererseits Angst und Hass gegenüber den Fremden von anderen Welten gesät werden sollte. " "In the most secret of missions, it was therefore resolved to create a horror scenario which would agitate the population on one hand, who, however, should be left in ignorance of the truth of the existence of the extraterrestrials who already maneuvered in terrestrial air space and also landed sporadically on the Earth, as it has been established from secure sources, and through that, on the other hand, that fear and hate be sown against the strangers from other worlds."(www.gaiaguys.net/meierv7p438-444.htm) Now please read what a totally independent source of information - Dr. Steven Greer, the Director of the Disclosure Project, wrote in 2002: "It is not just the hijacking and trashing of serious witnesses and evidence into the silly season of 'Honey, I just had sex with aliens' routine. It is the association of important evidence, scientists and witnesses with a xenophobic titled science fiction product like 'Taken' and the entire abduction industry that can empower fear in the minds of the masses regarding all things extraterrestrial. You will recall that no less a figure than Wernher Von Braun warned to his personal spokesperson Dr. Carol Rosin in 1974 that after the cold war, those operating behind the scenes would roll out global terrorism and then, finally, a hoaxed alien threat from outer space. Dr. Rosin gave this testimony before 9/11, by the way. (www.gaiaguys.net/DPBDRosin.htm) Why? Well, a xenophobic and hysterical take on visitors from space (so well represented by military hoaxed abductions made to look 'alien') would have something for everyone who enjoy secret power and control. For the military-industrial-laboratory-intelligence-corporate complex, there would be trillions of dollars in lucrative spending for Star Wars - now with a REAL enemy to fight! As they said in the movie Independence Day, 'Lets kick alien butt...'" I hope this has served to clarify any misunderstandings I may have left you with about this important topic. Peace in wisdom (war in ignorance) Dyson | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 02-2006 |
Gaiaguysnet: "As they said in the movie Independence Day, 'Lets kick alien butt...'" When the film 'Independence Day' came out, I remember thinking how much of a really stupid film that it was. I remember thinking that if aliens were out there and were real, and that if they decided they come here to planet Earth to take us all over, that the very fact that they are here MUST MEAN that they are thousands of years ahead of us in their level of technological advancement compared to our primitive level, and that if they really wanted to take us over, that they'd just do it in a flash, and that there wouldn't be anything that anyone could possibly do about it to stop them either. I remember thinking that that's simple logical common sense there too, and is why I've never had any desire in ever wanting to go and watch that stupid 'Independence Day' film. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 04-2006 |
All that kind of stupid Galactic War propaganda that we see in Independence Day,War of the Worlds,Alien 8th passenger, Men in Black etc...They make people think that far evolved races mean they are technologically advanced but in no way spiritually advanced.ABSURD.It`s a law of nature that spirituality comes first when we talk of evolved races.At least the majority of them.This is shown in movies like Cocoon or Et.We are not spiritually grown as a race and our movies reflect exactly that.We fear the invaders to behave exactly like us.Dan Fry writes an analogy when he imagines us modern man having contact with jungle aborigines.What`s the use conquering them? Only if we are overpopulated we would try to displace that people,but other communities would say hey,youre infringing the LAW. Watch instead the marvellous " Blade Runner" in which replicants are man-made intelligent human beings without a spirit form,some characters respect them as living creatures and some other just treat them as slaves or objects. Saalome | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 811 Registered: 02-2000 |
Newinitiation, That video clip is from a Steven / Winter lecture on Meier, some wanker re-named it NASA. Aliens would never have to invade they could just seed a virus around the globe. We would all be dead in a few months. | ||
Janimetso Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hello, I am referring to Rarena's post in the "The Planet Earth: The Environment" -category, Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 11:16 pm, where the using of certain words are mentioned etc. It is my opinion, that while many words we use here on this planet aren't most suitable, perhaps, I still think that such words as "light" and "darkness" etc. are appropriate in many cases, as this is, after all, a material part of the universe we live in. I agree, that we need to think creatively and adhere to that which is creative. I think that using the word "mistake" is not a big "mistake", when describing some events and incidents etc. that were not meant to be in the first place. For example, "the Free Online Dictionary" gives this definition for the word "mistake": " 1. An error or fault resulting from defective judgment, deficient knowledge, or carelessness. 2. A misconception or misunderstanding. v. mis·took (m-stk), mis·tak·en (m-stkn), mis·tak·ing, mis·takes v.tr. 1. To understand wrongly; misinterpret: mistook my politeness for friendliness. 2. To recognize or identify incorrectly: He mistook her for her sister. v.intr. To make a mistake; err." While the possibility to make mistakes and to learn from them is given to us, I still see no real reason why we couldn't call them "mistakes". Kindly, Jani | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2006 |
Dyson these minions of Nazi/peds seem so cemented in power,they seem to me,at this time; Unstoppable.Salome Pudd | ||
Matt New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hello, I would like to vote to see a new section made avialable on the forum where people can hear from other people (who met Billy in person)talking about any type of interesting experience they may have had when they met him. I'd like to hear about any type of interesting experience anyone might have had who met Billy, such as if Billy may have said or did something to anyone when they met Billy, which may have helped them in any way (spiritual, personal or otherwise), to also hearing about other things, like as in hearing from anyone who met Billy talk about an interesting experience they may have seen/witnessed, like seeing Billy do something with his spirit abilities, anything really. I would also like to read from a number/variety of people who met Billy in person, who could offer a little of their own brief account of any their opinions, impressions, thoughts, ect they may have had/formed about Billy after meeting or spending time with Billy, related to how they percieved Billy's character, personality, conduct and so on. I would like to know more about the private life of billy, and I think that this might be a good kind of way to offer people who have never met Billy in person, to give people a little insight into Billy Meier's personality, character and type of person he is, as well as some his daily activities he does in his everyday life, as well as also how he treats other people too. I've haven't seen much written about these type of things (about Billy) here on the forum, so I would like to put my vote forward here in liking to see this type of section made available somewhere on the forum, thanks. Hi Matt, Good Idea, I'll look into it real soon.. Regards Scott | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 177 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all! Let's not lose sight of the fact that, since prehistory, our WHOLE planet was steered by evil ETs (the Bafath/"Giza Intelligences" www.gaiaguys.net/AYTF-giza.htm) up until May 1978, and their mindless, slack-stringed puppets are still hard at work, albeit somewhat less effectively by the looks of things on our site! :-) Has everyone seen this? www.gaiaguys.net/MJ-12.1953.htm And Semjase came to warn us about having to unite as one planet in order to defend ourselves from barbaric ETs. This is why the N.W.O. hoax is reverse psychology on the part of The Establishment. Peace in wisdom, Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 215 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Norm Thanks for the clarification there Norm We definitely got our work cut out seeing all the falsification out there. cheers | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Matt, I think thats a great idea you mentioned there. If Figu moderators allow this type of section to be added to the forum, not only will it give people here at this forum a chance to hear about lots of varied and different types of interesting things that people witnessed or experienced when they met Billy, but it would also give people who have never had the privilage of meeting Billy in person, a little insight into Billy's type of character and how he acts around people in his everyday life, but also hearing many different types of ways and stories of how Billy has helped people he has met at Figu, and also hearing about what some of the different type of activities and things are that Billy does in his daily/private life, as well as also in his job as the prophet of the age too. Good idea Matt, I voted for your vote post there. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 217 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum http://www.disclosureproject.org/exopoliticsorxenopolitics.htm Dr greer has a new article worth a read There is some very important things he points out worthy of consideration | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 604 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dyson good friend... I see your up and running... Yes, of course...that speaks for itself. There is always a minority "Conscious" of the known facts, and will misuse the Power structure if this is in their Power to do so, and alas...a Majority whom are Ignorant and Blind by Spoon fed untruths and lies...they were brought up with. So, there is a distinction to be made here between: The Conscious...and the Unconscious...whom are - NOT SEE's. Take care now... Edward. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 218 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum members Since I've been involved in searching for the truth, which its precedence started the moment billy's teachings rang a chord with me, the impetus and momentum spurd on more uncharted territory that opened my eyes ever more to the greater yet obscured world in which I live in. I really need you friends opinions on this. Ever since the path to the truth has been tread on my part, I got to see many beautiful things yet also having witnessed the other darker side of human nature with all its negative manifestations, whether its getting to me psychologically or whether this is a natural reaction I am uncertain but I seem to have become more intolerant of other people's faults along with my own. Knowing the degeneracies inherent in human nature, whenever this becomes acutely visible through the illogical actions of other people and that of myself I feel this negative sense swells within my being that often I find difficult to neutral-positively balance. Sure in the end I must reconnect with love, freedom, peace, harmony and truth of all that is to gain a deeper understanding of other people's faults as well as my own and to work at absolving iota by iota the degeneracies that comes forth from the forces of the ego but I cannot discount this impulse that arise within that states Its better to be aware and recognise the ills and what I need to work on then to go about things unknowingly not knowing what it is that one must come face to face with. In a state of quandry I tread each day as it comes to find what it is that ultimately I as a human being seek, of course one's personal journey with this is ones own no matter what the spiritual teachings state, although I try to walk along its dictates, I nevertheless, like everyone else walk the path of my own life. I wonder if its a common thing for you knowers of truth to come face to face with your inner nature to see the multitude of so many things positive and negative and to come to the conclusion that being more sensitive as time goes by to the darker side of human nature so prevalent in this world is a natural effect out of the cause of seeing the world through the spiritual teachings? Some times it feels like I am drowning in the sea of so much negativity that wherever I turn, the murky guck is visible right before my eyes which cannot be escaped let alone be avoided which ofcourse must be confronted head on, taking responsibility. Maybe its not so much the fault that I have a problem with which cannot be dealt with personally but the stupendous hurdle from seeing so much that is wrong with us people and the world that at times it becomes quite overwhelming. But then again, we do what we can responsibly as best as we can given our limits and capacity. I thank all in advance of your wise input. saalome | ||
Janimetso Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hello Newinitiation, What you describe, is very much familiar to me, every so often. I have had hard times to face the negativity surrounding me, as well as the negativity manifesting in and from myself, as well. But I try, everyday, not to only remember the negative but the positive, too, in my surroundings and in my life, as in the lives of the other persons and all kind of creatures surrounding me. It is a hard task, undoubtedly, to stay balanced in this world which is certainly not balanced, and to deal with all the negative situations and happenings taking place on this planet. Yet, this kind of situation has to, in my opinion, to be a very effective learning process, if one strives to conquer the negative tendencies and degeneration, as well as the over-positive tendencies and degeneration. We must do, as you said, the best we can to make progress in our own lives and in the society and world surrounding us, too. Not an easy path, but one worth travelling and experiencing, indeed. Take care, salome, Jani | ||
Janimetso Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hello again, Newinitiation and everyone else, One other thing came to my mind: After many years of series of negative happenings in my life, I have become to understand one thing and aspect of life, that gives me a great comfort. No matter how hard, negative, painful, sorrowful and distressing one day might sometimes be, it is ultimately just a passing matter, which will be followed by days which are full of balance and positivity, joy, happiness and satisfaction - like the sunny days after the rainy ones, or a new dawn after the darkest night. At the same time, I know, a person full of wisdom and love, as well as having a strong will, who never gives up or never "throws in the towel", is very hard to get "sidetracked" or "derailed" from his balance and goals in life. Salome, Jani | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 04-2006 |
There are many people in our societies that have been forced,manipulated,for centuries to think and act in a degenerate way.Religion, politics,materialism,etc.Since they are born they have been in the middle of a spiral that drags them down.We as society have never had present the concept of spirituality and therefore we lack the positive effects that it shall bring to the individual. Now you recognize the effects that a spiritual life is bringing to you,including awareness,awakening,you can perceive much mure than before.That includes positive and negative.In the past everything was focused in the positive(material positive).It was like seeing just on side of reality.Of course its not easy to see what others dont see or feel but now you are a step forward.You know what means cognition of the spiritual forces.They don`t.Say they are beginning to know.We can only change their "negativity" by letting them know there exists a spiritual side of reality.I can bear that mission.Nobody said to me its was gonna be easy.But i notice i`m evolving now and not terribly stuck as in past times.Spiritual Knowledge and Spiritual Wisdom.Meaningless words for many but not for me now. And dear Newinitiation,if Jmmanuel and Mohammed,chosen prophets,evolved spirit forms could not complete their mission,even Billy is facing terrible opposition.It`s not your responsibilty to save the world alone.That burden is not meant for you.Spread the spiritual teachings the best way you can. Have a nice day.. Saalome | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 187 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Newinitiation, The path to love/wisdom is sometimes quite non-linear (2 steps forward, 1 step back), and you have to dig through some very rotten dung before you hit gold, but it's there waiting for all of us to make the effort. I often quote Disclosure Project Director Dr. Steven Greer who said, "The truth WILL set you free, but first it will really piss you off!" I can pesonally attest to the fruits of the journey, as evidenced by my more understanding (less verbally violent) attitude towards the "erronious ones". I think you're doing fine. Things take time. Salome, Dyson | ||
Janimetso Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hello, Concerning Rarena's message in "The Mission: "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier: Miscellaneous", May 07, 2006 - 02:21 pm, where it is stated, among other things: "Here, I've got a little game for you... Point to yourself... Go ahead, noones' watching... It is not your head that you're pointing to is it? No. It's your heart. That's your purpose, follow that and you will not go wrong. Do what is in your heart." While there are good points in that message, I imagined myself, not pointing at my heart, but at my head. Salome, Jani | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 191 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, I pointed at my ugly head too. THINK with your head. Pump blood with your heart. The renewed teachings explain that "TRUE" love (one half of the golden coin of love/wisdom) is based on ... wait for it ... LOGIC. A very rare commodity on our planet. Please see www.gaiaguys.net/Humandoesnotknowlove.htm And our enlivening fragment of Creational spirit is in our brains. Salome, Dyson | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 788 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Rarena, Regarding Billy's arm. I would conjecture from an observation standpoint the reason Billy experienced the loss of his arm was due to his mission. It would seem with his "handicap" this would increase the controversy as to how could a one arm man create such an elaborate hoax, but still produce such phenomenal pictures?....despite the fact he can type faster with one arm faster than most with two! Regards Scott | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 10-2005 |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Scott, Jani and Dyson, That is interesting, thought the loss of his arm was related to his part in the warrior production part man / part machine many many years ago when the Plejarin were a warring species. Cause and effect. Interpretation vs translation is important when converting the unique Swiss/German dialect Billy and his kindred spirits communicate in most easily. The data of Billy is very detailed and as one who studies statistics reveals itself as genuine. As to the head and heart thing, Dyson and Jani, it shows you where you feel your center is. The solar plexus region is where chi energy enters the body. Meditation, at an early age, was one of the first documents written by Billy Meier and when you follow, what is your ideal (heartfelt) rather than what you intellectual self says you get into less trouble. Both are important and dependant for spiritual enlightenment. Higher consciousness is escaping the vise like grip the ego has on us as Earth based life forms. The ego is about these six things: 1.) What we do 2.) What we have 3.) What we think (Head) 4.) Separate from everyone 5.) Separate from what we want 6.) Separate from the creation So in anyway resonating with the six previous features prevents or hinders optimal spiritual advancement. The mind is a tool but not everything we are, just like the heart is a tool. BTW... Jani's head is probably very beautiful, Ugly is a judgement even when speaking about yourself. Be proud Dyson, you and is it, Virginia... are enlightening millions of english speaking people with your interpretations. Those documents you asked me to see are and example of it. Beauty is truth. The idea was about thinking beyond the physical. The mind... is able to hold an infinte number of thoughts yet, is the size of a grapfruit. It can venture beyond the three dimensions. By being pro-active, that is, dreaming about what you want to accomplish and then doing it... you move from the non manifest to the manifest, from non physical to physical, in other words: the unfolding of creation. The idea was not about the organ, just what filter you use to manifest your spiritual reality. The intellectual part of us, is the part that translates rather than interprets. It adds little things here and there, imperceptable at first and then ends up becoming "I'm smarter than you" type of argument. The ego is the part of us that changes things just enough to make our point MORE MORE MORE, the mantra of the ego. Constintine in 300 AD burned all copies of the Bible written in Aramaic... the Gospel of Judas or also called the Talamud of Jimmmanual that Billy discovered in 1963. Do you think that was logical? No, it was ego based. The ego is a major combatant to spiritual enlightenment and at this moment is saying to you... is this guy for real... If you say no, you are following your logical intellectual Earth based head rather than your spiritual self and heart. The negative of the heart is green, jealousy, a lower and slower human emotion. You are allowing the ego to take control and reacting rather than creating. It will control you unless you become attached to nothing and open to everything. Creating disharmony rather than harmony. It is all about energy. It is not about how much you have,it is about what you do with the energy that comes into your life. Wisdom and love to you, Rarena >Learning without thinking is vain, thinking without learning is dangerous... | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 152 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Newinitiation, I not only grasp but have (more less) conquered individually this "negativistic realisation" with what you are going through. I too felt and at times am feeling exactly as you explain this "necessary urge" to shine the light on peoples negative thoughts/actions being etc. especially while one attemts a positive neutral state. It seems it is only at this time when people's negativity becomes recognizable. But, this is only seeing half the picture. First off, in real state of equilibrium of positive/neutral the mind is at ease with its space and surrounding and under most circumstances the brain will neutralize any negative neuances or disturbances, but first this "true state" as I call it must be maintained at all times to be effective "all the time" I am sure you know it takes time and much effort to maintain this balance especially with so much negativity. What I have done since I have recently moved into an area of town that is not filled with "model citizens" so to speak, very far from it and I (much earlier in life) have not only found it usefull but NECCESARY TO MAINTAIN PEACE, within my life and all around me. Obviously we start with oursleves and we can't expect a change in people by focusing on their so-called "negative" actions (unless it is imperative) usually this will just add to the immense negativity that is already building in the world. Newinitiation, I'm not sure if I'm hitting the mark here with what you stated but seeing people as truly love, spirit and YOU really helps, especially when we stay in the "true state" as I called it earlier. Don't forget that the state of your conciousness, fine tuned and harmonized can cause amazing feats within all of the space around you. If you feel awkward about helping someone out or think you shouldn't because you would be pointing out too much fault, here is a way to effectively determine "if,when and how to act"... only after you have cleared your mind of all junk, with practice it can happen in seconds ( but the best is instantaneous by not having any junk) re-analyze the situation from a truly balanced state after you cleared your mind from most thoughts and feel your true self as complete and as thorough as possible, then come to your conclusion. If you come to the conclusion to confront, chances are you've won (persuaded) them even before you talk to the person. I find it interesting how it works. Love the ones around you because we are connected and feel eachothers pain which sometimes leaves us unimpressed to continue with this thinking, but we should. If we stay in this "true state" we act in accordance with creation and all natural things come at a natural pace as they should, your thoughts will be in the right place and events will occur "almost as if by magic",so amzingly and precesioned as if someone had it all planned out. So with that thought, people are unknowingly bombarded by your conciosness and thoughts as are you from theirs. Even if it appears to rub against the grain of our life (as we know it) we still have to be near and farsighted. Love | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 02-2006 |
Just a quick question with regards to the santili roswell footage.I was under the impression from M Horn that this was a cyborg being from an E.T. craft.However Ptaah says this is a 16 year old human female.Would like some input. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Newinitiation, What you focus on grows, so, if what you focus on is everyone's negativity, than that has to grow for you. It is the law of cause and effect, for every action there is an opposite reaction and that can become very draining of your energy if you allow it. We all have these energy cycles and at times we have abundant energy and at other times less than abundant energy or at least it feels that way. For example, there was a lady in line at the store just a few moments ago, ahead of me as I was getting my lunch. She was there for twenty minutes complaining about something and the checker lady was very patient about it and the lady did not want help from the manager yet it was taking time out of my lunch half hour. She wanted the manager, now she didn't then she did etc... and this went on and on. I found myself getting sort of frustrated and then I thought about rule #6. At times like that, the book by Rosamund Stone Zander and Benjamin Zander called the Art of possiblity comes to mind concerning rule #6. And the short synopsis of this rule, is to not take yourself so seriously. So, instead of complaining and getting all upset it was my pleasure to observe this as if it were a play and try to closely observe the checker lady dealing with this caustic person... BTW the checker lady handled it very well. When it was my turn to check out my salad and soup, and, after noticing the checker lady she had taken time to care for herself, her nails had little polka dots and her clothes well fitted and her hair was nicely combed my comment was; "you look nice today'. You could see by her reaction that the lady that had just been harrasing her, was now out of her consciousness and she was enjoying the compliment. All we can do is give our life away... So by treating everything that comes into your life as energy, there, for your exact benefit at the exact moment that you need it... you find yourself aligning with higher consciousness in a way that makes everything fall into place. Sycronicity occurs with increasing regularity and the higher the consciousness you employ; the more quickly the non manifest becomes manifest. It is the unfolding of creation... Many people are all hung up about, "the way things are..." or "That's the way it has always been" But if you think about it a little bit, if you ARE a person with devoloping consciousness finding higher and faster energy at every turn, how can you advance if "That's the way it has always been" is your philosphy? My previous example of the check out lady... It could have been very frustrating and "oh how I was so inconvienced with this lady and why should she take up 75% of my lunch half hour complaining and look at all this negativity" or "You look nice today" a compliment that made me feel good to give and her to receive and enjoying a free play as touching as that of Romeo and Juliete being performed for my very benefit. It is your choice. The day could have been a total loss with no learning acomplished and all chalked up to a negative comment like... they are all negative... Instead... higher consciousness was employed and it became a learning process rather than a mistake. What we focus on grows, even if what you focus on is something that you don't like. It has to grow for you... it is the law of cause and effect. What we bring to the creation is what it returns to us. Be well, Much love to you... RArena ô¿ô PS> Der Sonne Shind | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 194 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, Billy communicates to us in the most expressive and eloquent High German there has ever been, in so far as I can ascertain. Please forget about the Swiss dialect issue. It is not really relevant, and is a source of confusion in an already very confused area. And please don't confuse the concept of ego in such a way that it becomes conflated with humility (from "humus"). Ego is necessary. Egoism isn’t. It's "Vivienne" actually, and thank you for your kind words, Randy, but I'll continue to avoid pride thanks, and stick with the way things are. I do not lack self-respect. I’m a little concerned that your welcome personal views and opinions here might be misunderstood by others as consonant with Billy’s re-newed teachings, which they are not always. Perhaps you can try harder to differentiate? Thanks. :-) And Billy lost his arm for a number of reasons (in my limited understanding) among which was to allow him to eventually experience "heaven" after his required experiences of "hell". You can't find the former without going through the latter, in my personal experience. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Janimetso Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 11-2003 |
Greetings, Rarena, you say: "Jani's head is probably very beautiful"; did you remember I said the reference to the head? I didn't however. It is my understanding, that Billy, for example, has made a remark about people thinking with their "guts". This is what I remember from the overpopulation related articles, however. It is also my understanding, that a truly logical and rational thinking doesn't fail the thinker. It is indeed more often so, that people are very much "thinking" and acting through their feelings or emotions, and letting them dictate the way for their thoughts and actions, at least on this planet at this time. There are thinking and thoughts and then there are Thinking and Thoughts. But it is the Logic which often lacks, and it is my understanding that a true Logic is also utilizing Wisdom. Apparently a human being can not think 100% logically, but it is always better than to let one's feelings or emotions dictate what to think or how to act. A human being has a conscience and can utilize intuition, which could be described by some as the "first thoughts" or "hints" which could help a Man to find a correct and neutral/positive way in any given matter. But still, a Man has to utilize his reason and logic, in order to cut off illogical and unreasonable thoughts and impulses etc. If there is something wrong or not correct in how I see these matters, I will gladly listen anyone with more logical and true explanations. Salome, Jani | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 03-2006 |
Dear Newinitiation, As one comes to know the truth and their awareness increases, they begin to see things as they really are. Also, their sense of discerning fact from fiction becomes more acute and their thirst for the truth becomes insatiable. The spiritual teachings give us a glimpse and provide the way to the higher and much more desirable reality that we can achieve on Earth but also, by the very nature of the truth, exposes the egoism and self-aggrandizement, materialism, vindictiveness and all other ills that are so prevalent in many human beings. Sometimes, unfortunately, no amount of effort can turn persons onto the path of truth. Initially, this can be very disappointing and frustrating but evententually as one's emotions are conquered with one's clear thoughts together with logic and reasoning, petty and pointless disputes and arguments are not needed nor are they a burden. I recommend reading "And there shall be peace on earth..." and "Desiderata" both by Billy. They are excellent. Regards Adam | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear FIGU forum members, I wanted to add something on what Dyson and Vivienne said regarding the Swiss/German, mainly to clear the issue once and for all to all the reader of the forum at this point. Swiss/German is only a spoken language, in Switzerland the German speaking Cantons(Regions) have a Swiss dialect but they would write and read in German also known as (High German), in all places such as educational institutions, politics etc. As for Billy in one of his video recordings of the wedding cake hovering near to the tree where supposedly Ptaah was with him behind the camera one can hear Billy speak in High German. So from the above one can conclude that the language used in the contact notes were high German because it wouldn’t be correct to write the notes in a Swiss/German dialect, as I said because it only a spoken language. I just wanted to share my thoughts, since I speak the Swiss/German Dialect. Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Dyson and readers, First of all, the goal here is to learn in harmony. Only seeking truth and being truthful in a peaceful way. There are no "issues" in my mind... only correct ways to the truth. Latin is a dead language and therefore used to identify observations of characteristics of things occuring in nature. It is used because it is not likely to change and interpretation vs translation is not hindering. Swiss German is also just different enough to work in this way. To prevent misinterpretation the relatively minor differences observed in the future (after Billy has gone) could prove to be useful to those interpreters(BTW... didn't say translators) of his message. For example the TJ was translated from Aramaic to German and the German copy was the only part not dystroyed and it is being used now for confirmation. Billy communicates in German, English, Plejarin and probably many other languages. He is our representative of creative truth. Meeting him has been realativly impossible for many lately has been explained to me by Wendelle and Micheal Horn. As Wendelle Stevens says, he has to have a life too... I am in total agreement with this. Before the former is found the latter must be gone through throughly and that is my attempt here. Within the framework of this forum is the ability to have a group mind similar to what my idea of the creative spiritual truth is at least partially about. There will be some that are insulated, my self, most definitely included, from time to time and the need to be guided, by someone more knowlegable... in the right direction, will always be there. The FIGU Diskussionsforum is very clear in the messages given. When they that are unclear,are quickly guided, firmly yet concisely to the truth. This is primarily twofold, the forum has more information available (Many of the contact reports and books are in German) and the other is Billy is more easily accessible and actually reads the forum directly. Thanks Dyson...for getting to the "crux of the biscuit". My goal is to learn by expressing my view and then having people comment to guide me where it is inconsitant with Billy and the Plejarin's teachings. Can never get enough material to read and this subject is so facinating isn't it! Wouldn't it be great if all people on Earth understood well, these messages. What a great world THAT would be... The search for creative truth is here for all to find, and we each have our ways of finding it. Some is such bright nonsense, dillusion and abstract thinking which occurs often in our daily lives and here out of habit, most likely. Sifting out "wholly" truth is not only necessary, it is required. Scott has been very instrumental in that respect. Have not read all of his posts though but, that is my goal. Right on. Egoism is definately not necessary. Although, ego may not be necessary in the spiritual realm, we do have to take care of each other. Ism's such as "egoism" are definately closer to cults than the reality of creative truth. They are usually led by narcisitic maniacal meglomaniacs and it is obvious when you see their pictures plastered all over the news or on billboards in the countries or regions they represent. My compliments to you and Vivienne in interpretations on your excellent website... it is greatly appreciated by many. Pride of doing a job well done does not seem egotistical, do you think so? One idea of possibly constructive improvement... would be to use different fonts thereby adding interest and direct the eye a little more, it is only asthetics... although your large fonts are easy to read for us that need glasses to do so. Extreme light and extreme dark are good ways too augment your excellent website (Gaiaguys). Complimentary colors work too. Being a true friend here by not just saying nice things... you understand... Micheal Horn's website is a good example, small fonts large fonts etc. Even this page has consice and clear fonts, some large and small fonts. Your content BTW is excellent. This is only a suggestion as criticism is another of those "ism's" isn't it... Being proud of work well done is not being excessive, IMHO, it is only in line with the creative process. The Universe is clearly defined and out there for everyone to see. Although and Billy may agree on this, am not sure...we do not have the right to judge anybody... We can never see behind the eyeballs of another person. Those that judge, do so, because they have the need to. Guidance, by example or the breaking of a law that harms others is a different concept. Context and content is another place to pay attention. From my limited knowledge on the Meier material the creative truth is: neutrally positive according to the laws of creation. Creative Kind Loving Expansive Abundant Receptive Non-sectarian Non-temporal Non-linear is this true? Your are right about not being able to dicypher the present without observing the past. As to self-respect calling one's self ugly is not it, even in jest. Words can be monsterous as was pointed out to me earlier. My personal views are always up for positive improvment and guidance in congruance with the wealth of information that is available for us. Would love to read the OM or Book of Books. Has anyone here read it? Thank you for your comments... Be Well, RArena > Sell you cleverness and purchase bewilderment. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 232 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Pudd according to the plejaren, the beings from the Roswell crash were androids not cyborgs (cyborgs are human beings with some artificial parts, androids are robots with a human shape which can have organic parts) its supposed that during that time, film was taken by the US military, but that is not the one presented as the "alien autopsy" the girl from that video is not an ET but an earthling who suffered from a disease called progeria as well as many deformities i hope this helps take care | ||
Janimetso Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hello Memo00, On the FIGU website it is said: "256th contact of Mai 13,1996: Billy: "... Another question: Florena told me that I should ask you about the name of the illness the 16-years old girl, who was so slanderously presented as an extraterrestrial in the Santilli film, had caught. What was the girl's illness?" Ptaah: "Proteria. ..." (Proteria = protoplasmic change of the entire substance of living human, animal and plant cells. This has nothing in common with the disease progeria.)" Jani | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 195 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Randy, (et al) Thanks for that. I think dictionaries are called for here. Please see "ego", "egoism" and "egotism". So far, we are all in harmony here, and your comments are welcome and I’m not thin-skinned, so your kid-gloves are an unnecessary, but an unambiguously well-meant consideration. Please see www.gaiaguys.net/meierv6p379.htm We FIGU friends are a robust lot. We have to be, given all the dung heaped on us by the many mockers and know-it-alls out there. Anyway. It's naturally tricky and time-consuming to try to compare the somewhat nebulous English views expressed here with the much more concrete German information in the renewed teachings, especially when the words employed here are not very well nailed down into a firm semantic context, something that's tantamount to impossible anyway in the English language, as I’ve mentioned previously elsewhere. This is instructive: www.gaiaguys.net/OM.K49.htm (being the first bit from Websters) & www.gaiaguys.net/meierv7p22-23.htm and of course our little rave about our translations, if you haven't already seen it. www.gaiaguys.net/translations.htm By the way, Billy speaks only High German, Swiss-German (dialect) and Greek, fluently, I think, and his English is probably no better than a wide variety of other languages he commands. But I don’t know that he speaks either Sarat (the common tongue spoken by the Plejaren on their planet Erra) or Kosan, being a more universal language which has spread beyond our galaxy. There are details about these topics, as well as some as yet unexplored (by Earth linguists) details of our languages in And Still They Fly. And Billy’s contact notes are delivered telepathically in symbols and then mentally converted to eloquent High German again by Billy at 1200 words per minute, with one finger. 601 (in b&w) of the existing 52,476,812 (in color) of these symbols are shown in the “Symbole des Geisteslehre” (Symbols of the Spiritual Teachings) which is available in the FIGU shop. Here’s one example: www.gaiaguys.net/peace.jpg They are an advanced version of the “X” & “0”, etc. symbols used by Terrestrial ESP researchers, and another one of those many proofs-of-genuineness that 99.9% of Earth people are evidently still too thick to accept as such. But I’m digressing again. It's a testimony to how close I think that you got to the truth (as I understand it) on your own, Randy, that I'm left picking at semantics, but the more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think that mere words … coupled with a lack of definitions upon which there is agreement … are some of the greatest impediments to finding the truth in English, once one starts seeking it. It's for this reason that I don't want to muck around with your word list too much, in the spirit of leaving well enough alone. “Kindness”, in one school of thought, means gently telling your friends where they’ve gone wrong, but in others, it is associated with sycophancy. Similarly, their seem to be an “issue” issue that is misplaced, and I merely mean it in the traditional sense, as opposed to the more recent idiomatic one. Bite the bullet, my friends. We're all gonna hafta learn German, Earth’s future common tongue, eventually! :-) But I did want to say that whereas the judging of people is indeed frowned upon, naturally, judging in general is not ... as in judging deeds and ideas. This "don't judge" (at all) nonsense stems from a falsification in Matthew. TJ 7:1-3 "Judge not falsely, lest you be falsely judged. For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged, and with whatever measure you measure, you will be measured. Judge according to the logic of the laws of nature, which are from Creation, because only they possess its truth and correctness.” Contrast the New Testament (www.tjresearch.info) Randy, (or would you prefer "Rarena"?) I'm very grateful for your constructive criticism of our site’s appearance, but a lot of the screwy fonts we hear about are invisible here, and I've been startled to see how it looks to others on the rare occasion that I get a glimpse elsewhere. There seems to be some sort of obscure technical problem here. Similarly, many of our small Ariel fonts on the front page went crazy a couple weeks ago for some unknown reason, and turned into giant Times New Roman bold! Arg! I don't know how to easily fix these things, when Frontpage indicates everything is as it should be (thanks Bill Gates! [sarcasm]) and this is merely the latest in a LOOOOONG series of very mysterious website problems we have had over the years. My general policy is to sit tight and see if it is fixed by whatever shadowy force opposes the shadowy forces that I imagine might be responsible for the original mischief. It usually works. There is a silent cyberwar raging out there it seems. But as I explain at the top of www.gaiaguys.net/ufology.htm , a lot of the childishly big fonts and colorful webpages are a deliberate ploy to repel those who confuse shadow with substance. Such folks are doomed to be part of the problem instead of part of the solution, and we don’t want to damage their fragile unevolved psyches if they were to look past the surface. And unlike many others who seemingly try to obscure their public website assertions with microscopic gray print (on a dark background) that cannot be enlarged with the “text size” browser option (like www.gaiaguys.net/oto.righttokill.jpg ) WE SHOUT THE TRUTH FROM THE ROOFTOPS! One of the other factors in the “non-corporate” look of our site is simply trying to reclaim some color in the world, which is so evident in our Australian sub-tropical bush environment here, where the plants are so gaudy and the birds look like they’re all ready to fly off to a costume party. Contrast the colors of the clothing worn in snowy Scandinavia with that of tropical Africa, and you’ll get my drift. I’d better go. Salome, Dyson | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 04-2006 |
"Bite the bullet, my friends. We're all gonna hafta learn German, Earth’s future common tongue, eventually! :-)" Hi Dyson, how long do you think that it would take the average person to learn to speak the german language well enough so that they will be able to read Billy's german spirit books? | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 233 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Jani you are right, thanks for the correction by the way, does anybody knows where one can find more info about proteria? i searched in the web and in books and found nothing, maybe it is an unknown disease for our scientists. . . thanks | ||
Chasekahn747 Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 07-2005 |
Gaiaguy please contact me at chase747@aol.com, i figured this maybe the only way to gt to you since your wonderful website does not seem to have an email address to contact you.By the way I must give gratitude for the translation of the kanons of the Book OF OM by you two , the text have done what they are intended to do and that is bring an Awareness to the inner spirit via Akasha , I feel so light so to speak . Salome... The Law of Love places the welfare and the concern and feelings for others above self, it is that close affinity with all forces that we associate with being good.The law of Love denies a place for evil in the world, that resists not. Love offers the path of least resistance by cherishing, nurturing and protecting the beloved.Resist NOT evil. Expose it YES | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 02-2006 |
If Nokodemion/Billy Meier came back out of the Arahat Athersata level in order so that he can help bring reason to his newly engendered and created peoples who he had created, as well as to also help bring them again back onto the correct path of the recognition and fulfillment of their duty to Creation and its Laws and Directives, because they had degenerated, turned criminal, usurping peoples. And if Nokodemion's degenerated people's are scattered throughout the galaxies, and if Nokodemion's spirit is presently incarnating here on Earth because we are one of his degenerated poeple's, how long will Nokodemion's spirit be incarnating here with us till the time comes when his succeeded/completed doing his self chosen job/duty of helping us here on Earth, and then leaves here and starts incarnating into another world/star system to go help another race of his degenerated people's who he had created? Does anyone know or read anything about this, or would it be better if I post this question to Billy? | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Dyson, I emailed a Q. to you about DP/ S.Greer and you suggested I post it here: In his new book S. Greer discusses his childhood contacts with ETs. I cannot doubt his stories, nor can I verify them but from my understanding reading your website, you were/are a witness and know him. Do you know the story behind his claims, does he still have contacts now? I once wrote a letter to a link that arrived from DP called Peace in Space, stating that if we earthlings truly want peace on this earth we must be honest and we must unite to tell the truth. I was even bold enough and naively hopeful and suggested that S. Greer and Billy join forces for earth's sake. But from what I know about Greer, sadly this saying applies: Men will be men. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dyson and others, Kit gloves are off. According to the Plejaran, (P379; /Contact 238 Saturn day May 18, 1991) that you so dutifully made me aware of, thanks.. it will not be easy to make this clear to the people of Earth in their present stage of developement. They are already too softened and have strayed from the knowledge of truth to the point that they energetically resist everything that sounds like the hard truth. Don't know if you've noticed this... most people react to the hard truth facts gleaned from Meier's writings and Ptaah's dialog and incorporated into my writings of them. They react with thier preconcieved notions of the law, made by liars, I mean lawyers... oh, same difference...used in the US today. Our "leader" said the Declaration of Independence was just a worthless scrap of paper. Diplomacy is just another form of lying. No matter what the dictionary calls it, and you yourself said English is an imprecise language... they react with their piedly little ego. The part of us that swaggers with pride, wallows it it's own self importance, lays waste the hard facts. We are in agreement, that there are times when you want to stop and let people who are ready but unwilling to receive the information lay afloat in a sea of ignorance and self agrandizement and do nothing to help them, but the cold hard fact is... we are all in the same boat on our way to the Andromeda Galaxy and beyond, so... we have to bring them up to the same spiritual level, no ego, just fact... that of complete and utter truth. Was under the impression that Billy had millions of characters of thought that he transmitted telepathically to the Plejarin and those who inhabit Andromeda, so he probably knows both Kosan and Sarat. It seems logical that the higher in the spiritual realm you go, the less language is used, since most of those he communicates with in Andromeda, don't even have vocal chords to produce language, langua(sp)... tongue, in Latin a "physical" body part. Rarena is just my screen name, Randy is okay... I know it has different meanings but they suit me... for example Wolf/protector, protecting my family of six... and horny... but protector seems more like me most of the time, anyway...in this case protecting the truth... Or, at least seeking it. As to the website, will bring down some screen shots in the jpg format and send them to you. If time is available will help with my artistic eye and show some ways of guiding the eye to areas you deem important. Using HTML hypertext markup language is difficult. Have been on the internet since 1972 so there may be something to learn from me in this respect. As to "shadowy forces", those are absences of light. They need to be educated. Just like evil is love going in the direction where love is continueally going further away. Kindness may be incorrect. Thank you. You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. Although, peace is my primary directive. Does anyone know where to get a copy of Contact 251? Have been unable to find it other than references. It would be nice to have all the contacts and books on line in something like PDF files so they cannot be easily changed but the ability to search them would be quicker. The down side of this is people could change them and create different translations as opposed to the more correct, interpretations. Your thoughts. As to meditation, have been interested in that as a form of clearing the mind. Would like to make some of those pyramids, does anyone know more about them. Read on the Diskussionsforum that they are not sent by the post office, do they DHL or Fedex those things? Tchüs... rarena ô¿ô Saalome gam naan uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. PS> Here today gone to Hinwill! | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Dyson, i have another question i'd like to ask you please. You speak the german language and you have also read some of billy's Spirit books which are written in german. I hope you don't mind if i ask you, if you would briefly tell me a little bit about what the Spirit knowledge you gained from reading some of Billy's spirit books has helped/done for you in your life? | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Memo00, Regarding "proteria"...I work in a medical library and there is no mention of the word in any of the medical literature databases I have access to. Perhaps the word is "progeria" instead, which would make sense. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi matt, I'm just guessing here, but I reckon that someone like Dyson who has a slightly higher IQ level then Einstein's genius 160 IQ level, would probably really benefit fast and well from reading some of billy's spiritual knowledge books, more so then what %99 of average intellect people will. I'm sure Billy's spiritual books helps everyone who reads them, but I'm just guessing that people of Dyson intellect level would benefit/learn a lot faster then most other people would. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 200 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Friends, Thank you all for providing me with the opportunity to try to share what I’ve learned from Billy & friends. I’ll paste in your questions below, and do my best to respond to them in some haste, because a new bulletin has just been published, and I’m itching to get into it. BTW, due to the old familiar chaos problem here, I never got to the point of dealing with the LAST bulletin for Michael, which amended something important Ptaah reported about bird flu in the previous bulletin, where he stated that bird flu would indeed mutate to a human–to-human communicable viral configuration. He then remarked that, whereas this mutation would occur, it might not happen for many years, decades, centuries or millennia. I’ll make myself comfortable waiting for that. :-) OK. Q “how long do you think that it would take the average person to learn to speak the german language well enough so that they will be able to read Billy's german spirit books?” => How long is a piece of string? This is an almost impossible question because “the average person” would probably not be diligent, nor interested in the S.L. at all, but rather be taking a school or correspondence course. IF you are REALLY keen to learn, I’d estimate somewhere between 4 and 6 years if you are of average ability. For example, Vivienne started from scratch in July 2003, with no other experience other than English, and is only just now getting to the point where she thinks that she has what it takes to adequately understand what the S.L. offer, “with a manageable amount of effort”, in her words. She works VERY hard at it – almost constantly making and memorizing long lists of words while doing her other physical work – has a statistically very unusually high level of intellectual ability – and an iron will to learn, so that might give you a hint of what it takes, bearing in mind that she is (largely) self-taught, with a little help from her friend. Q “Gaiaguy please contact me at chase747@aol.com” =>I have done so, chase747. Hope you got it. Q “how long will Nokodemion's spirit be incarnating here with us till the time comes when his succeeded/completed doing his self chosen job/duty of helping us here on Earth, and then leaves here and starts incarnating into another world/star system to go help another race of his degenerated people's who he had created?” => I’m not sure that this information is provided, but Billy is the last of our prophets of that lineage. (The renewed teachings are now out there where they need to be and THIS time, they will stay there, thanks to those little bio-organic crew members who crashed at Roswell with their transistors, which the Pentagon back-engineered, thus creating the Internet, leading to the Information Revolution/Golden Age of Knowledge. I just LOVE the way truth/Creation functions!) Q “Do you know the story behind his (Dr. Steven Greer, Director of the Disclosure Project) claims, (his childhood contacts with ETs) does he still have contacts now?” => Steven Greer is shielded from a lot of reality by Debbie Foch and Raven Kildare. In short, he evidently cannot be directly contacted. I’ve never met him, and never been able to communicate directly with him. We ordered (paid for) his autobiography, but it’s up to the evil snailmail gods whether we actually receive it. We’ve read his “ET Contact” and (of course) the DP book, but I know nothing more of his childhood “ET” experiences that what I’ve read second-hand on the net: he had a life-threatening childhood illness that left him hearing voices in his head which he identifies as ET. I hasten to add that we know others who do similarly VITAL work on our planet who have similar claims, our good friend Fred Burk @ www.wanttoknow.info for one, so I do not dismiss this lightly. Many of us on the edge of this consciousness-revolution have had similar “paranormal” experiences which have helped guide our course, but ET is a VERY minor component of what is out there / in here (points to head). Again, I refer you all back to the FIGU publication, “Those Who Lie About Contacts ..”, while I hasten to add that I am by no means calling Dr. Greer a liar. He demands our great respect and ACTIVE support in spite of his problems (PUBLICLY) accepting the truth about Billy. There is a lot more to all this than meets the untrained eye. That much I know with absolute certainty. Q “We are in agreement, that there are times when you want to stop and let people who are ready but unwilling to receive the information lay afloat in a sea of ignorance and self agrandizement and do nothing to help them, but the cold hard fact is... we are all in the same boat on our way to the Andromeda Galaxy and beyond, so... we have to bring them up to the same spiritual level, no ego, just fact... that of complete and utter truth.” => We have a responsibility to stand by to assist others if asked in honesty, but we also have a responsibility to ALLOW every individual to walk his own path, even when it is one of ignorance and misery. We also have a very important responsibility not to BURN people with the truth. This is an advanced lesson, and a difficult one. We cannot “bring them up to the same spiritual level”. That can ONLY be done by the individual her/himself. TJ19:14-22 (The Errors of your Neighbor) “Search for the meaning and truth in my teachings. Since I am human like you, I, too, have had to search and perceive. Since I am human like you and have gathered my knowledge, you are also capable of learning, searching, perceiving and knowing; in so doing you may grasp and observe the laws of Creation. If your neighbor errs and embraces a falsified teaching, go and reveal their error in private. If they listen to you, you have won your neighbor. If your neighbor does not listen and continues to be enslaved by a lack of understanding, leave that person be, for they are not worthy of your teaching, once you have done everything possible. It is better to let an unreasonable person walk on the path of misery than to bring confusion to one's own consciousness. Truly I say to you, the heavens will collapse before an unreasonable person can be taught reason; therefore, beware of such persons. Sow the seeds of wisdom on fertile soil where they can germinate, because only the germinated seed will bring forth fruit." 32:13-15 "But a human being shall never attempt to force the truth onto another, because then it would only be worth half its value. First, humans shall tend to their own progress in consciousness and spirit, so as to produce Creational harmony within themselves. No greater darkness rules within humans than ignorance and lack of wisdom.” Q “Was under the impression that Billy had millions of characters of thought that he transmitted telepathically to the Plejarin and those who inhabit Andromeda, so he probably knows both Kosan and Sarat.” => This seems ambiguous. He would certainly have access to these languages, but they are not likely the ones he’d use. The entire issue of language … how it’s internally processed and expressed … is a profoundly complex one once you study it. Q “As to the website, will bring down some screen shots in the jpg format and send them to you. If time is available will help with my artistic eye and show some ways of guiding the eye to areas you deem important. Using HTML hypertext markup language is difficult. Have been on the internet since 1972 so there may be something to learn from me in this respect.” => “1972”?! Wow! Did you work in the Pentagon? Before you send attachments, Randy, please understand that 1.) our agonizingly slow download speeds will thwart other more important work I have to do on the Net, so if they are bigger than a couple Kkb, I won’t look at them, and 2.) as I wrote, much of what we present is deliberately labyrinthine so people have to STRIVE HARD to even FIND the real gems. We’re not selling hamburgers here. Striving is a necessary part of learning. Q “Does anyone know where to get a copy of Contact 251?” => An easy one! Seek and you will find. (See above re striving) www.figu.org/us/ufology/contact_notes/251st/1.htm Q “It would be nice to have all the contacts and books on line in something like PDF files so they cannot be easily changed but the ability to search them would be quicker. The down side of this is people could change them and create different translations as opposed to the more correct, interpretations. Your thoughts.” => This topic has been almost beaten to death fairly recently on this discussion board. Seek, please. FIGU has a great search engine. Q “Would like to make some of those pyramids, does anyone know more about them. Read on the Diskussionsforum that they are not sent by the post office, do they DHL or Fedex those things?” => It’s my understanding that they can be exceedingly dangerous in the hands of those who do not respect their power. Beware. As to shipping … dunno. Q “You speak the german language and you have also read some of billy's Spirit books which are written in german. I hope you don't mind if i ask you, if you would briefly tell me a little bit about what the Spirit knowledge you gained from reading some of Billy's spirit books has helped/done for you in your life?” => Of course I don’t mind you asking, Matt. Let me clarify the situation by saying that I am not a member of FIGU, although Vivienne signed up recently and has received and is joyously studying the first four (weekly) spirit lessons already. She tells me that they are NOT easy, even were they in English. Unlike her, I have read (inadequately) all of Billy’s openly (the books for public sale), published works [still awaiting delivery of Contact Book Vol #8] which he also broadly describes as “lessons of the spirit”, in the same way that the “Spirit Lessons” (per se) that those FIGU-members (who request and are granted the privilege) are also described. But the S.L. are not to be shared with outsiders so I do not know what is in them! They comprise about half of the 24,000 pages Christian calculated. The Geisteslehre will NEVER be translated out of the German language. After much thought, I think I’ll continue to stand outside and act as gorilla for a while, since I don’t want to have my influential protection of FIGU weakened by ill-motivated false accusations of divided loyalties, etc. I see it as a combination of Natural Barbarism and enforced non-violence. So that leaves me in an odd position, but a very familiar one to me. To return to the second part of your question: I cannot begin to describe the wonderful effect the power of truth has had / is having on me after more than a half a bloody, sweaty, teary century of looking for something that was not (yet) there. I found Billy in 2002. I am an epistemologist. Words simply fail me, but expressions like “re-birth” spring to mind. Suffice it to say that all the wonders falsely promised by enslaving religions, and THEN SOME are DELIVERED, and I wouldn’t give a fig if I had to learn Martian to get this treasure. Those of you who make the required effort, will be rewarded beyond your wildest imagination. Speaking of wild imaginations.... Q "I reckon that someone like Dyson who has a slightly higher IQ level then Einstein's genius 160 IQ level...." DEAR Vestri, I have read a lot of outrageous remarks on the Internet about things in general (and me in particular lately!) but … suffering succotash! … this one TAKES the CAKE! Give it AWAY! I’m just this GUY, RIGHT!? I do my best in my own way, but – #$%^&*! – EINSTEIN?!? Keep taking the pills, Vestri! :-/ Now to that bulletin.... Salome, Dyson | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 02-2006 |
Gaiaguysnet: "Speaking of wild imaginations.... Q "I reckon that someone like Dyson who has a slightly higher IQ level then Einstein's genius 160 IQ level...." DEAR Vestri, I have read a lot of outrageous remarks on the Internet about things in general (and me in particular lately!) but … suffering succotash! … this one TAKES the CAKE! Give it AWAY! I’m just this GUY, RIGHT!? I do my best in my own way, but – #$%^&*! – EINSTEIN?!? Keep taking the pills, Vestri!" Hi Dyson, with anything that is studied/learned in our society (academic or otherwise) people with a high IQ intelligence with learn a lot faster and also have a much broader understanding of whats being studied, and I don't see spirit teachings being different there. Do you remember when I asked you a few questions early in this thread about your intelligence level as well with questions about other people in general with genius IQ intelligence level, you said a few things which appeared to play down the importance of the IQ intelligence level that people have. If you look back at some of my replies back to you, you'll see that I had some trouble accepting this from you because my understand of what I've read so far here on the board/meier material is that intelligence level does mean something as intelligence is part of creation, and part of creations/individual spirits goal in this universe is to slowly evolute/raise its intelligence level. Also one of the other things you said to me before when I asked you why you relate someone's IQ level more to their "mental age" more then to their IQ intelligence level, you replied "The 'mental age' that constitutes half of the 'Intelligence Quotient' is obtained by testing a huge cross-section of the (1st World only, of course!) population in order to find the averages. Therefore, your IQ number is obtained by using this determined average “mental age” of lots of people … against which you are compared, so one person has one number, and another person has another. Is Dr. Condaleeza Rice (for example) stupid? Obviously. Do you think she has a high IQ? Of course." I accepted this that you said there, which means that there could be a huge diference in the actual intelligence level between two people who have the same intelligence IQ level test score, if one of them has a low mental age and the other hasn't, which could make the actual intelligence level comparison between them two people as being as huge as one being smart and the other stupid. So the measure of someone's intelligence IQ test level score does mean something when its measured along with their mental age too. And you Dyson definitely appear to me to have a high 'mental age' to me, which according to my understanding of what I said about you in my prior post, makes all the more reason why you would benefit/learn a lot faster of Billy's spirit teaching/knowledge books, more so then what most people would. Therefore I didn't see and still don't see that there was anything much wrong with me commenting about your IQ intelligence level in relation to what I was saying to Matt before in my prior post. Also when I associated and commented about your IQ intelligence level being on par with Einstiens, it was just that, about your intelligence IQ test level being on par with Einstiens in relation to what I said to matt in my prior post, and not about your intelligence level of 'theorectical pyshics' being on par with Einstiens. I never said that, nor did I appear to make that out there either, and I'm unsure why you appear to be making out here to me that that is what I am trying to associate you and Einstien with there in my prior post to Matt??? I've never been advised by my doctor or anyone else that i should be taking any sort of pills, which pills do you suggest that I should take Dyson?? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 219 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day friends Hi everyone Recently and I mean quite urgently I have a person who is close in my immediate circle who has cancer in his pancreas which was diagnosed over a year ago, now it seems the doctors have given up any hope with the standard medical procedure as it has rapidly spread and is quite malignant. I am endevouring to at least help by trying to visit as often as I can and be a companion he can talk to. Due to many reasons from the past his children are quite apathetic and heartless in my opinion at the way they are going about this and for me at least, as a friend of theirs, I am trying to do my part to fill the void and expect one day that when they have finally woken up to themselves, they'd realise the precious opportunities missed with their father and that those regrets they'd feel to their very core will be consoled by me having spent some precious time with their father on their behalf, in his last days which I hope to pass on to them. Now I really want some miracle to happen and just as I see on TV where people have been cured miraculously from cancer by staying positive, I too would like to see this happen even though the chances are slim. In the end its up to him to decide how he will handle himself and draw strength by staying hopeful, cheery and peaceful but it seems my wishful thinking would have me believe that somehow he can be cured by using spiritual powers just as Jmmanuel had done, in my vain hope anyway. Can you friends suggest anything I could do to do more than I can to at least make the final days of my friends father a one of joy and happiness? Thank you | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 02-2006 |
Dyson, my guess why you said that to me there about Einstien, and took that approach is because I probably hit some sort of soft spot with you there in relation to the modesty that you have and display for your statistical IQ rarity. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 10-2005 |
Thanks for the contact note location... Tchüs... rarena ô¿ô Saalome gam naan uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 155 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Everyone! Have any of you wise spirits heard about "multi-wave oscillators" or any other machines that give out a resonating or harmonizing affect through electromagnetic waves, to rejuvinate oneself? I am very interested in these machines originally developed by Nicola Tesla and fine tuned by Lakovsky. scam or the real deal? http://www.zephyrtechnology.com/body_index.html Tim James | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Newinitiation..if your friend`s father has pancreas cancer his remaining lifetime is in the doctor`s hands.I know no miracolous remedy for that.It should be positive that he spends this period with the people he loves,and that he can feel that human touch until the last breath.If he is awake you could tell him stories about reincarnation.It`s the truth and maybe he will understand that the race has not finished yet.He will stop to rest a bit to then continue to one day meet Creation.I imagine those who dont actually believe/understand reincarnation feel disgraced and void in the end of their lives.All that experience all those moments...lost? Not at all..But he has to know that a lifetime is not in vain,it is the foundations of the next one. | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hello everyone! It has been a while since my last post here at: Miscellaneous. I have an announcement to make for everyone: Next week on Thursday, May 18, 2006 I will be leaving the state of Maryland, which I now currently reside, and I am flying to Boston, MA. Wedenesday, the day before Thursday of that week, which is next week, will be my last day to post on this forum. Well, actually I'll post a see you later on Thursday morning Eastern time, before I leave for Boston. I will be back from Boston in a week or two. I'm not sure exactly for sure when, but while I am away in Boston I will not have access to a computer at all. And I don't know if my aunt in Boston has a computer, let alone the internet. So that's my announcement: I won't be available for a week or so starting Thursay when I leave. Thanks for listening. Salome and love to all, Isabella Coca | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 156 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Isabellacoca! Why don't you use the local library and update once a week on the week-ends? This way you'll be able to organize all of your questions in the best way for the most effective responses, instead of putting out a bunch with babbling updates like we all tend to do from time to time as that method of posting tends to accomplish little. (not ment to offend) It's very surprizing what a consolodated conversation consists of. Perhaps this will help you convey your information to us for the "rare" times you will be on a computer. Good Luck, I hope you find a computer with a fast internet conncection! Salome. I listened. Tim James | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 203 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Vestri, Yes, I’m sorry I jumped on you like that. It was not meant in a nasty way, and I hope you know how grateful I am to you for what you do to serve the beleaguered truth. But I guess you did hit a tender spot, and my reply was because I was a little wounded by you still not quite adequately understanding the information I was trying to provide about what people call intelligence, and thus having you in some way comparing ME to EINSTEIN, which is just ludicrous. I’ll try to explain, but more personally, nobody wants to be a freak. Imagine if you were - say – so tall that out of one million given people you were the tallest. You would be sick of people saying, “Gosh! You’re tall!” and, “What’s the weather like up there?” and not being able to get your backside down onto the seat of an international flight because your knees hit the seat in front of you, etc. etc. etc. You’d yearn to fit into a world where you plainly did NOT fit. Einstein was naturally a brilliant theoretical physicist, but he apparently did not do well in school (neither did I! So we DO have something in common!) and the story is (although I wonder if it’s true) that he couldn’t balance a checkbook. Everybody has different facets of intelligence, and I tried to explain that some of us are good at one thing and some are good at another. I happen to be very good at taking IQ tests, and THAT is all IQ tests measure. The fact that my dad was a psychologist would probably have a LOT to do with that, and you can see the sort of coaching children get for attaining high IQ tests scores by watching Sesame Street, which was originally created to help raise the IQs of underprivileged inner city children. No doubt it worked, and I’m not knocking it, but doing well on an IQ test does not make you wise, as I’ve tried to illustrate. You might also still have a misunderstanding of the concept of “mental age”, which is just one of those statistical devices that is less than satisfactory as soon as you try to apply it to real life. But addressing your original comment – which I should have done in the first place – yes, indeed I would imagine that I would get more out of Billy’s work faster than most other people, but that doesn’t mean that much, because everybody who honestly studies it should get a proportional amount to what they already have learned, in my thinking, and - if anything – being below average might even be somewhat advantageous in some circumstances. The help you get from Billy should be compared to the way YOU were before you got that help, not to any OTHER person. The FIGU pamphlet by heir apparent Atlant Bieri called, “On reading and studying Billy’s writings” is well worth reading. He says, “Insight cannot be forced.” The pills? Vitamin C, according to the Plejaren, and other nutritional supplements if your diet is inadequate due to eating over-bred modern food. (And keep up the good work. I see you've got TerrarUBICON back on the ropes where he usually hangs out.) Cheers! Dyson. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Newinitiation, In response to your question about pancreatic cancer and your friend. Having been with a couple of friends right down to the last few minutes of breath, it appears they want to make it mean something or be able to communicate their fears. The only thing to fear here is fear. When that leaves a great weight will be lifted. Not only do they feel fear, but a little bit guilty, leaving their spouse and children or in this case child, but they also may feel that somehow their life may have not had enough meaning. One suggestion to your friend, and this is a very noble pursuit on your part... is that, they may want to dictate a notebook or letter to the family or loved ones, and the secrecy of whom receives these notes or booklets must be maintained. Power of attorney and medical last minute details should be looked after as well. Many times when keeping a journal, the thing that you worry about the most at one moment, when looked at a few moments or days later is really not a problem at all. Much of worry is a waste of time. Be positive, use words like without a doubt, absolutely and yes. The answer to how is yes... We come from a source, the has the capability to create worlds, and does, it is not really haphazard that we are here experiencing what we experience. We are results of the creation and cause and effect. The creation does not make any mistakes we only "think" it does by our own limited perception. If you treat everything that comes into your life as energy, some of it higher and faster and some of it lower and slower, and that everything that comes into your life is for your exact benefit and, at the exact moment you need it... you may feel a little better about this sudden and unexpected predicament you find yourself. Showing your love and respect for your friend is great, but there are times when your friend may just want to be alone and within himself. Respect his right to privacy, now... especially since he won't have much energy. There is a battery between our pancreas and our liver according to Edgar Cayce and may be very weak since it is one of the poles of our natural battery. Meridianinstitute.com is a place for the Edgar Cayce cures. The book: Health through drugless therapy and the ARE: Association for Reasearch and enlightenment are good places to start to find out about a cure. This Universe, is an amazing place, and many of the brightest most advanced doctors don't know how to take a handful of dust and make it into a person of body mind and spirit. He may be one that survives this disease. Miracles happen every second of every day. There will always be mysteries and miracles that we will never have the capability of explaining or understanding it is just a fact of infinity of which we are all a part. This may be the lesson he has to learn. Either he or his family. It sounds like they do not know what they have, which is what someone who only sees scarcity in thier lives views the world. This may shock them out of that viewpoint. Einstein once said, you can tell a great deal about someone by asking them one question... Do you believe the Universe, is a hostile or friendly environment. If your friend knows that this is happening to him and he is nervous or sad or terrified he should know that we all go through this billions of times and is really just a very short part of our total life. John Edwards, the New York medium who, since an early age has been able to communicate with the dead says this again and again. Why is everyone so concerned about the end of their lives. It is my understanding that most of our lives are predestined, or else the predictions that Billy makes would not be possible. There is however, free will that enters into the equation, that is, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle... that tells us it may not be exactly as predicted. Prophesies are a little more flexible, but not predictions. It is most likely true your friend planned this existance and that the reasons may not be conceivable in our three dimensional Newtonian paradigm of understanding... the cause and effect. We are islands of tranquility floating in a sea of chaos... or vice versa depending on your polarity which is 100% reversable at any time due to this free will. You may notice that when your buddy becomes more at ease with his situation, it will make you feel he is in denial, but he us not. But actually he will have resolved his resistance and accept his situation for what it is. It is a tremendous learning experience that cannot be gleaned in any other way. It's like trying to read a book on swimming or riding a bicycle, it must be experiential in order to be perceived and experienced correctly. My father recently past... he was like a brother and there are many great stories about our times together. We have been telepathic, notice the word have was used rather than had... It is not important to this group how he does it, but we still communicate and it has been close to two years now. Yeah, he still lets me know he's there. So, for your friend, know that this is not the end, we live again and again. Our bodies die but our eternal Universal spirit returns again and again. The family he will leave behind may some day and this is not cold hearted, but a loving statement... grow from this experience. Just like when a soldier runs into a hail of bullets for his buddies giving his very life for their benefit, it is one of the highest honors a human can bestow upon another, to give his very life. Woman have done this for centuries by giving their lives in childbirth. Another thing is the children will be fine, many who have lost a loved one, find a greater importance for the family and this may be the very thing that brings them together. My grandmother lost her mother at the age of seven, and she is like a mother to me because the importance of motherhood is so ingrained due to this tramatic event in her life. We have to see the positive in every situation, that is what being positve neutral according to Billy Meier and the Plejarin is all about. Seeing the good in everything. I Want to feel good. Five words that when mixed with a past memory of a time or even a future event can change the terror in your mind to the happiness experienced in that moment your were happy.... and you feel better. Time is infinite. The macrocosm is infinite. The microcosm is infinite. Your own interiority is infinite. Yet often we feel we will be dead... forever. Eternity is not the hereafter, THIS IS IT, if you don't see it here you won't see it anywhere. Live on the active side of infinity and learn how to get out of the house of ordinary daily awareness alltogether. Billy did it on the cross. Look at that moment, who was he thinking about? Forgive them, for they know not what they do... Forgive yourself, forgive whomever you blame for your situation and be of service to others. Say the five words to help in any situation by running through an inventory of thoughts that made you feel good in the past or make you feel good now. Run through them untill one makes you feel better. It may be helping another, or saying "You look nice today to a perfect stranger..." you will be amazed at what things that were so overwhelming just a few moments before can be eased over only to have well being gently waft over your body. Love and well being, Randy ô¿ô PS> Happy Mothers Day! to Mothers or those aspiring to be. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 835 Registered: 02-2000 |
I wish everyone posting links would start to use the hyperlink button it will make it so much easier for everyone, especially the disabled. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear friends I would like to express my deepest gratitude for you all in your wise advices and its comforting to know that there are genuine people who really care about other people because they really care. Thank you. yours sincerely | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Dyson, I'm glad that you saw that I didn't mean it like that there to Matt before when i spoke about your IQ level. Matt is new forum member, and was just letting him know there (in response to Matts question to you) that your IQ level is at high genius level is all, and is why I just said Einstein there as an example to show Matt how rare your IQ level is. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 159 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello all... What in the world does a Freemason do?? I read a post mentioning the freemasons which is also discussed on Gaiaguys.net. I have a question for which there may be no substantial answer to, but I'll ask it anyway. I recently had lunch with my family and among them were my grandparents. We had a fantastic lunch at a chinese restaraunt in a private room for about 2 hours, where everyone felt comfortable enough to talk about most anything. So the discussion rolled and finally got to my grandmother mentioning that her father was a 27th or 32nd degree freemason. Whatever that means, (I know it's a ranking system). So, I asked my grandmother, "So what did he do? I mean what actually did he do as a Freemason?" (having known freemasonry to be a profession with little information known about it but of the info we do know it's primarily negative) And, she replied only with a distraught look on her face. She is a highly competent old lady who is healthy and vibrant so this is not a result of some type of dimensia or even alzheimers. It took her a good thirty seconds of continuous reminissing for her to figure out that "we'll I don't know what he did!" I was taken by this, but not completely surprized as freemasonry has a hint of ambiguity tied into it. So I was wondering... Does anyobody know what the hell a freemason does? I assume there may be the official organization and then perhaps a covert branch not necessarily affiliated with the mainstream organization that fulfills operations of which I know nothing about. I was also trying to make this post more colorful so does anybody know how to work the Bold/italic/color buttons. What's the trick.? Salome friends Tim James | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 01-2006 |
Tjames: "So I was wondering... Does anybody know what the hell a freemason does?" Hi Tjames, I don't know what all Freemasons do, but I do know what some Freemasons like to do, and that is that some of them like to sexually molester innocent little children. Speaking of hell, if there was a hell, I for one, would surely like to see all these particular type of pedophile Freemasons burn and rot in hell! | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 04-2006 |
Figu Translation page: Appeal to all Conscientious People "For this reason, the "FREIE INTERESSENGEMEINSCHAFT FÜR GRENZ- UND GEISTESWISSENSCHAFTEN UND UFOLOGIESTUDIEN (FIGU)" is looking for persons who are interested in the Creational-natural truth, and who are willing to translate free of charge the writings and books of the FIGU into different languages and to find publishers and distributors, with whose help the translated works can be printed and distributed. Please help the FIGU with your valued assistance - if you have the resources and abilities - so as to advance the dissemination of the Creational-natural truth, with its laws and directives, and to support "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier's mission, both of which render important services towards the evolution of Earth humans, so that true love, freedom, wisdom and harmony, as well as knowledge and peace, can slowly, but surely unfold among the people of Earth." http://www.figu.org/us/figu/translation.htm Figu is asking for help from fluent German speaking people who would help Figu translate Billy's german spirit books into other languages free of charge.(obviously because Figu doesn't have the money) I have a suggestion in how Figu could raise/make/earn hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars fast and money like that could help Figu in lots of ways other then help for translations too. It is in regards to this that is mentioned in the book "and still they fly". It is said that music is a characteristic of all human races and that plejaren music is so harmonious that it would be so enrapturing that we would not be able to withstand it very long, but at the same time we would become addicted to it. If Billy asked the Plejarens if they would give billy a good popular musical song/piece from Erra, for the benefit of raising money for Figu so Figu can quickly get help to translate Billys spirit books as well as also helping Figu get some money capital for lots of other good causes and things that I'm sure Figu could also use extra money for too. I don't see how the input of one peice of Plejaren music on Earth could have a negative affect on anyone or in any particular area too. Figu could sell the rights for that one peice of Plejaren musical peice to some musician for them to recompose it and sell it as their own to the world. Figu could could make some agreement with them for a 20-50% cut of the profits, as well as Figu also making a signed legal confidentiality agreement with them for them never to disclose with anyone Figu's involvement with the musical peice. If plejaren music is like what the Plejarens say it is, (which I have no doubt that it is) then Figu would realistically and quite easily too, indeed stand to gain/earn hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars - and Legally too. Figu needs all the financial help it can get, and from what i can see, financial help appears to be exactly what type of help Figu needs urgently right now, and which would also help the most in the long run with Figu's/Billy's mission too. Not sure if I'm unaware of anything here, but just a suggestion to Figu. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 01-2006 |
Not sure if this is good news or if its bad news but I'll post this here hopefully to get some feedback on it from some people here. Theres been a bit of talk circulating on the net lately about Russia's new secret weapon(s) to defeat America. Heres some of the stuff thats circulating. Russia's Secret Weapon Designed To Defeat America - Scalar Weapons Revealed!: "This DVD discloses astounding news about Russia's super-secret weapons which will easily defeat America. This weapons system is called "Scalar Weaponry" and possesses the capability to knock out anything on the land, under the sea, on the sea, or in the air. This "energetics" weapons system will render all conventional weapons of war totally obsolete. This weapons system will change the world and how mankind conducts war - forever." "America will burn ..." America's HAARP is no match for Russia's Scalar!" http://www.cuttingedge.org/detail.cfm?ID=1083 Back to the future: new US-Russia arms race: "Then, with the inevitability of a cold-war counterpunch, President Vladimir Putin saw fit to reassure Russians that America's shield could be defeated, with a silver bullet successfully tested in February." "No country in the world as yet has such arms," Putin declared of the new weapon, which amounts to a space cruise missile. It will be "capable of hitting targets continents away with hypersonic speed, high precision, and the ability of wide maneuver." http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0616/p01s04-woeu.htm Russia's Secret Weapon to Defeat AMERICA: "Bill Schnoebelen discloses astounding news on Russia's Secret Weapons to Defeat America! Bill reveals technology the Russians have that knock out anything on the land, on the sea, under the sea, or in the air; rendering all conventional weapons of war obsolete against the Soviet energetics weopons. Discover the new world of "scalar waves" and how they will change the world, technology, and how we conduct war -- forever." http://www.prophecyclub.com/bookstore/index.php?CategoryID=18&ProductID=282 There was something mentioned in the henoch prophecies somewhere which stated that "Russia will set out against the West". Could this be what that is partly about because I don't think that Russia (or any other nation) would be stupid enough to set out against the U.S. unless Russia knew that it was going to win? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 215 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, “What the hell does a Freemason do?” What the hell does a person do? Freemasons are people, who are ALL creatures of Creation and worthy of our respect for that reason. I’m a little concerned that there are some of us here – our good friend “der beobachter” comes to mind now – who may not adequately express the true spirit of the true spiritual teachings (as provided by dear Billy and his ET buddies) with their verbally violent attacks and curses on all things Freemasonic. Naturally, everybody is free to follow or reject the teachings, but if you’re here, I wanted to remind you at least what they consist of. Of course I also feel very very strongly indeed that the splinter-group (Eastern Templar) Freemasons (who are behind the move to take our modest rural homestead of 30 years) not succeed and are brought to justice for the crimes they boast about, but I do not want them to burn in hell or be castrated or some such. I will not just turn the other cheek, nor do two wrongs make a right. www.gaiaguys.net/JanMoerkerke.htm Please try to understand, as I’ve written again and again here, that MOST Freemasons are ignorant dupes who are utterly horrified by what is now being exposed about the evil that they unwittingly protect at their rotten core. True evil hides most effectively behind genuinely uninformed people. I’m sure we can all think of examples of this. www.gaiaguys.net/kaygriggstalks.htm Put VERY simply, it seems clear to me that the Freemasons (and many many many others!) are historically the victims/dupes of the Zionists, who are, in turn, historically and prehistorically the victims/dupes of the Bafath. www.gaiaguys.net/AYTF-Giza.htm I found out recently that my paternal grandfather was a Freemason. He was a dentist from Lowell Massachusetts who died about the time I was born (1950) so I never knew him, but most of us have a Freemason or more perched in our family tree and I do think that most of them were little more than pathetic cases of arrested emotional development – little boys in old men’s bodies – who mostly just loved the childish pomp and secrecy of the various rituals, not to mention the camaraderie, useful commercial cronyism, and the misogynistic pleasure of getting away from The Old Lady for one night every couple of weeks. I am reliably informed that some lodges are indeed quite horrible places where children are tormented for the hell of it, but I’d like to think this is the exception. Check out our Freemason Degrees page www.gaiaguys.net/masonic-degrees.htm if you want to know more about some of their (formerly secret) bizarre initiation rituals, some of which are quite nasty and demand some rather “non-Christian” things like revenge, and don’t miss our “symbols” page. www.gaiaguys.net/symbols.htm Please inform yourself, and try to avoid falling into the trap of ignorantly condemning all Freemasons for the crimes of their lunatic puppetmasters and criminal minority. Sadly, they are sworn to defend ALL their brethren, even the ones who also belong to insane pedophile/child sacrifice cults, but Creation works in such a way that these degenerates make their own “hell”, and they WILL burn in it sooner or later. From the looks of things, many have started that dreadful penalty already. Finally, let me just say that the renewed teachings tell us that if our enemy comes to us looking for food and shelter he should be provided for and treated with the respect any Human deserves. But we must also be on our guard and protect ourselves from attack. www.gaiaguys.net/Humandoesnotknowlove.htm And what is stopping anyone from going to the local phone book, and ringing the local Freemasons and ASKING them what the hell they do? It might be interesting to hear what they say. When I did that, the guy was all over me like a rash until he found out I didn’t want to sign up. He never sent me the info he promised me. Perhaps you’ll have better luck. And by all means tell them about our website! Salome, Dyson | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 161 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Tony, That was VERY amusing. And I should not have used the word hell to avoid implications of the lie of heaven and hell told in many religions. Sorry, but I was actually looking for perhaps more specific information pertaining to or relating to the mainstream organization vs. this elitist group. I have not read anything in the Meier material on it. I can do a google search and start from there I was just hoping someone could sum it in a couple sentences. What the Mainstream Freemason does. No. Even the most evil freemasons will not burn in hell, they may create for themselves a living hell though. Having been a victim when I was 10 I can attest that many people wish these people to such a place, however, they need banished like Meier states, not temporarily imprisoned or put on probation, banished from society. Salome Tim James | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 01-2006 |
This is a correction on the last paragraph of my prior post about something I incorrectly thought/said that was in the Henoch prophecies. Here is the exact thing that was stated in the Henoch prophecies which is in relation to the Russian attack on American soil. "America and Russia will have the most terrible weapons of mass destruction at their disposal—a fact which is already the case to a certain extent today—and will clash with violent force against each other at that time of conflict, whereby Canada will also be dragged into this conflict. The source of this conflict will substantiate the Russian attack on the American State of Alaska and against Canada." http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Henoch%20Prophecies.html It doesn't mention which nation between the U.S. and Russia will be the first to attack the other, but it does say that Russia will set out and attack the American State of Alaska and Canada. one would think that if any nation was in a war with America that that nation would have their hands full just trying to tackle America, but not Russia it seems. I'm just going of the top of my uneducated head here, but for Russia to be in a war against America, and after that then for Russia to then go and attack (invade?) the American state of Alaska, (which isn't mentioned in prophecies as being a country that was dragged into the war with Russia and America, like Canada was), is this an indication that America came off second best in its war against Russia, and Russia invaded/took Alaska from America? | ||
Der_beobachter Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 05-2003 |
Hi Dyson mate downunder, and everyone else. IN PUBLIC Here is in plain public view a small backgrounds, brief "bio" of myself. I am an...: 1)- Ex- Allan-Kardec spiritist from 10 yrs old until 17 yrs old. Ex- member of the Hare-Krishna Movement in the country I live. I even learnt to read some few words in sanskrit with them (they only the Bhagavad Gita in this language then at the meetings) and I was learning how to write in this ancient language. I still keep the sanskrit books with me until today. Anyway I like to study ancient India Civilizations and ancient - although falsified - is has many hidden truths in the ancient Hindu texts. I use it to CORROBORATE many of Plejaren and Billy´s TRUE teachings. 2) Ex-member of the I AM MOVEMENT - the so called Violet Flame BS. for 5 yrs. Then I was a real "Iammer" and I know how these people talk and NOW - after Billy - I understand even better HOW these people lie to themselves and to other human beings. I also was a follower of Sai Baba (the self-delude and misleader of humankind) 3) Ex-member affiliated to Blavatsky Theosophical Society in the country I live for almost 3 yrs. At TS Logdes where I´ve met: Amorc Rosicrucians and then got affilated to them AMORC Rosicrucianism for more than 12 yrs. I left it for good initiated at the 11th Degree -Frater Iluminati and internal guardian and harbinger and also as a 'chanter' there.) At AMORC rosicrucianism I´ve made contact with many freemasons and Martinists which invited me to join the "Freemasonic Order" and I was inititated an Apprentice Freemason in 1987 where I spent three years of my life WASTING my time with a lot of a mixture/concoction of christian/hebrew/pseudo esoteric BS. Then I left if for good for I have found out these FMs guys intentions were not what the so called "profane" outsider were not aware about. Many of them were connected to the "police" and to "justice" in my country. One of them was shot to death in the heart, in an ambush, for reasons unknown to me. The guy was a friend of mine because he was a 9th Degree Amorc Rosicrucian and a Freemason as myself was at the time. I myself helped to FOUND a Freemasonic Lodge and I repent myself for doing this because my REAL NAME is until today at the Masonic Foundation Charter. I also took part at the foundation of one of the biggest AMORC Lodge in a big state in my country. ***** Since I was very young I have been searching for these question like: Who Am I? Where did I come from? What is LIFE indeed? In order to try to reach for these answers I have joined myself to these "groups" above mentioned. I am sincere to say that when at these societies, groups, etc,.. I´ve met many and many people AS INNOCENT AS myself was then. And at least it was at one of these groups that I was able to find my wife. We married and we live together for 21 yrs now. Her OWN LIFE changed since that DAY I learnt about the name of BILLY MEIER connected to JMMANUEL by means I cannot explain here and only my life knows the complete and true story in the smallest of details. In the year 2000 something quite "odd" happened to me that changed my life FOREVER and made me to become as I AM now. I´ve met the Billy Meier´s TRUE Teaching by means of CLEAR DREAMS I had dreams (let us call it dream then) that even made me become completely 'shaked' inside myself. Much suffering for myself and my family and quite difficult to explain. I know certainly that inside those above mentioned 'groups' there are milions of INNOCENT people that are only poor DUPES of this so called Freemasonry and other so called esoteric/occultistic groups. etc... But the most funny thing is this: (THERE IS NO COINCIDENCE WITH CREATION) When I was a kid of about 7 yrs old my Grandfather - deceased at the end of the 70s - and who also was a human being who searched for "The Answer" for certain things. He told me about the FMS and also - when I was only 7 yrs old he told me that Christianism was an 'invention' made by the FMS and other people and when one day when I grew older I would UNDERSTAND certain things because I was too young to understand certain things. It was at the 60s then. (1965 more or less) He told me A MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD would appear AT THE TIME WHEN I WOULD BE OLDER and this man would say things about UFOs at at time when NO ONE would be able to tell if a Man was really a Man and when NO ONE would able to tell if a woman was really a woman. Which means at a time when a Man is not a Man anymore and a Woman is Man and vice-versa and that at this TIME A WHITE BEARDED MAN would appear AND ONLY THEN I WOULD understand certain things. My REAL MIDDLE NAME is from HEBREW ORIGINs (Bar´Rosh adapted to the language which is spoken in my country)the same thing to my last name which is also hebrew origin) as the same as the name of my grandfather - whom I HAVE MUCH MUCH RESPECT and miss him very much - from ancient jews who came to my country in 15th and 16 centuries for and feel sad and lonely when I think about him. I wish HE was still alive to SEE WITH HIS EYES that what he said to me WHEN I WAS seven yrs old then CAME TRUE in plain view of this whole humankind. My Grandfather TOLD me I would learn many languages FOR MYSELF then. My mother - still alive- says HE TOLD this to her when I was born. Now when I think about all this.. all the paths I walked on throughout my whole life TOOK me DIRECTLY to this man - WHITE BEARDED MAN I am sure is Herr Eduard Billy Meier. When I use of some harsh words in order to show to people WHO in reality is this so called secret society I only try to show to people and to themselves they are REALLY DUPED human beings and try also to open their eyes to the Truth of Creation Teachings as it taught by Herr Bily Meier. The good thing is this I was succesful in OPENING THE EYES of many people until now.} If I use of quite harsh wordings to DEMASK these groups is only in order to show them they are WRONG and have been MISLEAD by the Church in a symphony of LIES and fake "espiritual" teachings. There is more...but this will die with myself and my wife. Der Beobachter Edelweiß _________________________________________________ "Lernen, ohne zu denken, ist eitel; denken, ohne zu lernen, ist gefährlich..." "Learning without thinking is vain. Thinking without learning is dangerous..." | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 01-2006 |
Tjames: "Hi Tony, That was VERY amusing. And I should not have used the word hell to avoid implications of the lie of heaven and hell told in many religions. Sorry, but I was actually looking for perhaps more specific information pertaining to or relating to the mainstream organization vs. this elitist group. I have not read anything in the Meier material on it. I can do a google search and start from there I was just hoping someone could sum it in a couple sentences." Hi Tjames, I didn't think anyone would take what i had said there seriously, but since someone did, I should now let them know that I was merely letting some steam off there, and having a go at all the (worried?) freemason's who for obvious reasons come here regularly just to read and follow this board. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 218 Registered: 03-2004 |
WOW! Wir danken dir, mein lieber Bruder! (We thank you, my dear brother!) You are a man of great courage and generosity of spirit to have shared all that with us, and I'm sure I speak for all of us FIGU friends when I say that it is largely through personal testimonies from former insiders, that the elemental power of truth can finally be liberated to do its work. Again, thank you, and it's an honor for Vivienne and me to be your co-workers in this great silent Consciousness Revolution we find ourselves embroiled in. Tony, if you'd like to contact us privately (gaiaguys@gaiaguys.net) and provide your own story of Freemason child abuse, perhaps we can publish it (anonymously if necessary) to assist the vast army of other innocent child victims in the realization that - in this new global community - they are no longer alone. In unity there is strength. Let me just quote from Jmmanuel: "Truly, I say to you: You will attain justice only when you find it yourself and can make your fellow humans understand it." 5:26. "Man-made laws and commandments produce murder and all manner of evil, and as evil spreads and gains the upper hand, man no longer has control over it. Commandments and laws are valuable only when they are derived from wisdom, and hence are logical, but logic requires wisdom and understanding." 26:10-13 "Truly, I say to you, many dogs will kill a hare, regardless of how many turns it makes." 29:5. Salome, Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 03-2004 |
I wonder who our new spooky lurker is who votes anything like the above as the "worst" contribution? These people can evidently only scuttle in the dark and have justly earned their name "cockroaches". | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello dyson (dyson is gaiaguysnet, yes?) i was wondering if (after reading and translating the various figu written materials) you have come across any mention pertaining to earths history where there was white skinned humans who lived in giant trees. like hollowed out trees carved out into a living space? trees about 12-15 feet wide, like the big evergreens that grow in western canada and does anybody know what time peroid the dwarves lived on earth (like between what years approx.)? also, does anybody know an example of what the symbols look like ,,, the symbols used in spirit telepathy? also, does anybody know wether it was only julius ceaser that wore an olive branch crown, or was that something that all emperors and the like wore? thanks | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2006 |
Gaiaguysnet: "Tony, if you'd like to contact us privately (gaiaguys@gaiaguys.net) and provide your own story of Freemason child abuse, perhaps we can publish it (anonymously if necessary) to assist the vast army of other innocent child victims in the realization that - in this new global community - they are no longer alone." Thanks for offering to help me out there Dyson, as well as a big thankyou for helping out all the other innocent child victims out there, through what you are doing through your Gaiaguysnet website. I prefer not to send you my story through email as its still just too emotional for me just to think about it. What I will do is just repost the entire of my 'first' post that I posted on this forum, posted on the January 25, 2006. Just by reading my first post here, I'm sure that most people here will understand how it has affected me, and maybe perhaps even understand why I prefer not to talk about it. Once again a very big thankyou to you and Vivienne Dyson for all that you are both doing through your Gaiaguysnet website. January 25, 2006 Tony: "hi all, I'm ever so glad I recently found out about billy meier and the spiritual teachings and I'm looking forward to studying them and implementing them in my day to day life. I do have a problem and I'm hoping that someone could help me or enlighten me with my situation. I've been using drugs (amphetamines) for the past five years and would like to know if this would have done any permenant or long term damage to my pysche which would have an affect or restrict me getting the most out of the spiritual teachings. Is there any foods or medicenes that I could take which would be beneficial to me? I'm also still addicted to amphetamines and are having trouble stopping too, so if anyone has any advice they could offer me to help me get off this drug problem, I would be in great appreciation to them. Thanks" http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/5784.html#POST16964 | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 01-2006 |
Dyson, i forgot to let you know that there can be no justice done in my case, as that evil freemason bastard died of diabetic complications a couple of years ago. Thanks once again Dyson, for everything that you and Vivviene have got the courage to do and are doing through your Gaiaguysnet website. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 162 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Tony, I'm not sure what your upbringing has to do with any of your addictions if anything at all, but I being a victim as were you when I was a young boy, although not from a masonic group member I can truthfully say I understand what you have gone through. I am going through some interesting times myself as the man who was put behind bars for his gross actions against 3 documented charges of molestation of children over ten years ago has just been let out on parole. I know where he lives and the three boys now fully functioning and healthy adults are still in touch. Anyway, I was able to talk about these things right away due to my family and friends pushing really hard with support so we could put this man in prison. I actually discussed a little more of this story in the parenting section some months back, however, talking is very important. Trust me, these things build up and release in ways that you may not want to listen to. Like the tendency to become one. I am actually saying this to preface the answer to your question about amphetamine addictions. I would suggest that and imply that since you are taking these drugs you are trying to block or escape some past horrid experience (one which no body should have to endure). I don't claim to know for sure but since you did ask. I will recomend what I recomended to another new fellow to the forum Wall2wall, and that is to balance your thoughts. First you have got to get off those mind altering drugs so that you can begin to see your life even in retrospect, in the present and toward the future all with clarity. This is very crucial. I struggled a little while with a smokescreen of tobacco, and a barrier of alcohol but these only compounded the problems. For me I found that the more honest I was with myself and my approach, the better and truly healthier I became. If an issue bothers me I talk about it or mull it over until I have figured the source of the problem. I have found altering our reality with substances is a reflection of deeper issues we are attempting to conceal. You can take my word for it the process to health can take some time, just as long as you're on the path to healing, creativity and growth. Sorry, enough about that. What you need is to obviously terminate the drug usage, and first obtain a detox program. I'm not talking about the AA meetings, I'm talking about an all natural herb, vitamin/mineral colon, kidney, brain, liver and lung cleansing program. http://www.blessedherbs.com/index.cgi?id=607746319328-0915&c=Internal_Cleansing This will provide you with a wonderful way to start anew with fresh start. I also recommend eating ALL ORGANIC fruits/meats/vegtables/grains and filtered water.Billy says these things alone can provide a human with a healthy life. I am also investigating in multi-wave oscillators originally developed by Nicola Tesla and George Lahkovsky in the 1920's to cure cancer but also used to maintain vitality using an array of electical waves alligning with your natural vibration which supposidly heightens and strengthens them so they repel and kill lower vibrations like PARASITES, SICKNESS AND DISEASE. However, this can also be controlled by our thinking, which, truthfully IS THE GOAL OF THE BILLY MEIER CONTACTS! Good Health and Good Luck Tony Were all in this together, lets start proving it! Salome gam nan been urda gan njjber hasala hesporona! http://www.blessedherbs.com/index.cgi?id=607746319328-0915&c=Internal_Cleansing Tim James | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Norm and Newinitiation, ARE Association for Research and Enlightenment alternative ways to health, Health Through Drugless Therapy good book obtainable here... http://www.edgarcayce.org/ Bruce Baar has an excellent website for the Edgar Cayce products which are not readily available anywhere else: http://www.baar.com/index.shtml The Meridian Institute has alternative ideas to healing and health using the Edgar Cayce info... http://www.meridianinstitute.com/ Tschüs... rarena ô¿ô Saalome gam naan uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 840 Registered: 02-2000 |
Rarena, Thanx. My Website | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 221 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Tony (et al) Thank you, (and the others here) for your courageously honest reply, not to mention the kind things you say about our lonely web work here. Please know, Tony, that I do empathize with you - even though I must admit that I cannot relate fully to your substance abuse burdens. All I can suggest is that you learn – through the study of nature – to recognize the flow of Creation, set your back to that current, and let the elemental power of truth liberate and empower you. Creation is just and loving, wise and compassionate. What a rare privilege to be among so many spiritually advanced people here! :-) Thank you! One thing that Vivienne and I have learned about, in finding ourselves confronted with this sordid work, is that what Ptaah said about Earth humans sexually assaulting their children is only too true. www.gaiaguys.net/childabuseearth.htm & www.gaiaguys.net/vic.links.htm And of course, on top of that, we get the sadistic “blame the victim” methodology. Here is an enlightening interview from Dr. Stephen Kent, a sociologist at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, from www.gaiaguys.net/Masonicsexabuse.htm Excerpt: "... abuse accounts ... have occurred inside Masonic Lodges and so on. I was really quite perplexed by the appearance of Freemasonry in a fairly significant number of accounts. I was not getting any allegations about other kinds of philanthropic or civic groups. I was not getting accounts about Kiwanis or Lions Club or Knights of Columbus or Rotarians or whatnot, it was only allegations about deviances involving Freemasons sometimes in Masonic Lodges. My sense all along is that even if some of these allegations are true, ordinary Masons would be appalled about the allegations I was hearing ..." Now, of course, MANY (but not all) of the connections are starting to be exposed in the pitiless glare of The New (ET) Enlightenment. www.gaiaguys.net/behindthescenes.htm Sadly, Dr. Greer evidently thinks that because he has convinced us that he has overcome his ignorant fear of death, that we who know the truth will also accept that he is without ignorant fear of THAT, too. Apparently not. We shall see. And “The Adversary” is still busy with his smoke, mirrors and filthy lies. Contrast the thread here: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread187745/pg10 where notorious Meier-defamer and self-confessed Jesuit, “Linda Williams” categorically states, “The O.T.O. does have rituals, but nothing that involves any sort of abuse.” Then please read the OTO's OWN legal "Consent Form", sent to us last February, which new members have to sign, where they legally, "agree to release and hold harmless Ordo Templi Orientis ... from liability. ... I realize that as a participant in the initiation ceremonies and other activities of Ordo Templi Orientis I could possibly incur bodily injuries. Due to the nature of these activities, injuries may be minor to fatal in nature. Some specific bodily injuries that are not uncommon to similar types of activities are listed below: Stoppage of breathing; heart failure; stroke; spine and neck injuries (either of which could result in paralysis); broken bones; cuts and lacerations; bleeding; eye injuries (which could result in blindness); convulsion; unconsciousness; abrasions; fainting; sudden illness; cramps; loss of wind; drowning; and contracting of communicable diseases." (brief excerpt) www.gaiaguys.net/OTOConsentForm.pdf Then please make up you own mind about these Eastern Templar Freemasons’ involvement with physical violence. Sadly, I am unable to sign onto that moral dung heap, called the “Above Top Secret” discussion board, but with enemies like that, who need friends anyway? And they DO read this FIGU discussion board very carefully. (Hi guys. When you’re in a hole, stop digging!) While I’m on this topic, check this out: I quote from their so-called Second Degree initiation: "I warn you that a severe test of your sincerity will be required. Unless you are prepared to jeopardize your social position, and possibly your liberty, or your life, it will be better for you to withdraw on the instant. I wish further to impress firmly upon you that this Order is a serious body of men, courageous, earnest, and faithful, and that these remarks are not the make-believe terrors of orders instituted for the amusement of grown-up children." www.gaiaguys.net/NSH24.7.05.htm The emperor is not only NOT naked, his splendid robes are of the finest and most magnificent workmanship, as anyone who has eyes in his head can plainly see. (Puke!) Honestly, this filth hides in plain view like the WTC Massacre simply because – just like with the reaction to the Plejaren material – Earth people are collectively too damn stupid and cowardly to accept the nauseating truth on the way to understanding the beautiful transcendent reality. Indeed the more Vivienne and I do on our site to expose them to the glare of public scrutiny, the more audacious their blatant lies. Well, what would you expect from people who have “666” (and an erect male phallus) on their public logo? www.gaiaguys.net/666.htm Please check out our front page www.gaiaguys.net and look to see how one innocent man, clearly framed by the Australian satanic ruling elite, rots for years in solitary confinement and takes second place only to ANOTHER (rotting in solitary) framed-by-satanists dupe, Martin Bryant (Port Arthur Massacre), as Australia’s most notorious serial killer. But as is says in OM, 32:1979. “There are not enough shovels to bury the truth.” And another one I REALLY like is: 32:1189. “No matter how fast a lie can be it can always be overtaken by the truth.” So we are very happy with the way things are going now and in spite of all the transient horror and all the terror and wretchedness and incredible ignorance on our beautiful blue planet (last night our vile (Master Mason) Prime Minister, after his hot date in Washington with (Skull & Bones) G.W.Bush, announced that nuclear power plants here are “inevitable”!) the sun still peeps out among the chemtrails and the artificially produced “worst drought ever” west of here in our (former) wheat country has not reached us this far east this time. Life is good! And perhaps my favorite from OM, which I think bears repeating here is: 32:2059. “The dawn breaks even without the rooster’s crow.” And, of course, OM is justifiably called "The Book of Truth". :-) Salome, Dyson | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi All, Can child abuse also be of another kind, Like brain-washing? I had a teacher in high school, who, even at that very tender and totally unknowing age, I noticed there was something deeply wrong with that man. When I had a class with him, I was horrified to see the things that he taught us and forced upon us. What he would do is present evil and sick arguments to us that even for older, experienced, knowledgeable and very smart people would be hard to refute, let alone a poor innocent unknowing and inexperienced teenager. I really hated that man for doing what he did to me, and as I imagine what he did to so many others before me and since that time. That was 8 years ago. I imagine he was a Freemason or part of some sick organization because his behaviour was absolutely NOT normal, and for a teenager to notice that, it has to be not normal because these things usually go past the mind of a teenager, which is still, basically, a trusting child. The things he taught were absolutely horrifying, like the absolute truth of life is moral relativism, all people are racists, people cannot change, the world is predtermined, nobody has any free will, etc, etc, and etc. the list goes on. These things might sound really silly, but when presented with "evidence", and the opposite view is not at all exlored, when accepted, these things are absolute poison to a poor young child. I cannot begin to describe the years of putrid and reeking feelings that I had within me due to these beliefs that were shoved down my throat, with "evidence". For almost 5 years I functioned on the same, if not a lower level than a beast, with all good feelings and logical, happy thoughts being removed form me. I cannot begin to describe the years of hell I endured because of this man. I ended up as a mental case and was functioning at such a low level, that when I saw animals, I wished I could be free like them. I envied animals and did not even bother to aspire to be like humans because humans were way beyond my understanding. However, this man in particular was under the influence of some other organization because his intentions were not to do good to the best of his abilities, but his intentions were actually to labotomize any sort of humanity form his students and I am sure he kew what he was doing. It took me 8 years so far to recouerate form his evil lies because I had to see him every day for one whole school year. This is more than enough time to completely devastate and ruin and any chance of gaining knowledge, if that is one's intention, which I suspect his was. I really don't know how to describe the lies that he put me through, but still, up to this point in my life, I have only recovered about 45% of my humanity, and that is in 8 years!!! I hate that man, and I hope he fries in hell as well. I don't know if anyone can actually understand what it feels like to go thorugh what I went through. I think there are no words in the English language to describe it because it is such an illogicaland worthless existance. It is beyond the reach of most people's capacity unless they have gone through something similar themselves. The worse part is that nobody knows your pain, and it is a very hard pain to go thorugh. I have never met anyone who would understand it unless they've been raped or molested, or if they've had a family member or child family member who went through it and they know the peron who done it is going scot free. Is there any way which I can recouperate my mental health and drain from my system, the poison and anger which I carry about within me about this man? Is there any sort of consolation that I can think about that Creation provides that will grant me justice in the ultimate scheme of things? How does Creation deal with these people, and offer those whose lives they have destroyed any sort of consolation? Because I would never want to waste my time, dirtying my hands by harming this worthless excuse for a man, but I do want to move beyond it, and know that I can live in harmony with myself and others, knowing that this man will get what is his due. | ||
Janimetso Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hello Sonik_01, I can only say that I, myself, try to see the creative which is "concealed" in every human being, and through which we all are connected; to notice our similarities even if there is an abundance of striking and hard-to-tolerate differences. I have come to think (even if it might sound a bit harsh) that if a Man falls into a hole or into a swamp, he must use all the power in him to climb up and out of them by himself, through his own efforts. It is true, that a knowledgeable human being can utilize his creative powers, but it isn't very good to think and believe that some power, force or creature will do everything for him, like all kind of beliefs and religions etc. usually propagate and teach erroneously. Human beings on this planet often harbour the feelings of hatred and revenge, but they will not affect and cause pain to the targets only, they also gnaw and nibble and even destroy the hateful and revengeful persons themselves. The remarks, being made lately on this forum, about all the "hell" stuff, strikes me as little strange and hurtful even. I know it is not meant literally here, but it nevertheless strikes me as negative, a storm cloud in an otherwise azure sky, or a ripple in an otherwise very still pond of peace, which describes how I have learned this precious oasis, the FIGU forum, to be. Nothing good comes out of these negative feelings and emotions - if one, for example, practises the Salome -peace meditation and wishes to see a peaceful and better future for all Life, then it seems incomprehensible why such a person would also harbour the negative feelings of hatred and revenge and wish his fellowman into a deepest pit of fire or unending torment, with no hope for ever finding his peace. I don't know if that teacher you describe still teaches, but if he does, I certainly would make an effort to inform the school and other parties, bureaus and offices of his conduct, absolutely not suitable for a teacher. So, if you perceive and see ignorance, hatred and other stupid and unwise traits in your fellow human beings, please try to see into their core, which doesn't harbour these traits in itself. I don't think anyone would like to get a bite off a spiky cactus or a rock-hard coconut, but they will find their precious nectar inside them. A sick mind and psyche, as well as illogical and ignorant thoughts, are like the wormwood plant; it bitters oneself and his surroundings. But ultimately, we all human beings are human beings, and thus we are also creatures of Creation. I wouldn't want to hate such Being, but I could very well despise some actions they may perform due to their illogical and ignorant thinking processes. Take care, Jani | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 03-2006 |
Dear Sonik_01 That is quite an experience. I can only imagine what you had to go through. It is a certainly a learning experience. We are all creatures of Creation. Some people do not deserve of the title of human being, such as this man. But hopefully he will realize his big mistakes and that will be punishment in itself. I suggest reading "And there shall be peace on Earth..." by Billy. I am really glad you have found the FIGU, you are definitely at the right place. Regards Adam | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 164 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Sonik, If you are as depressed as you describe then you may actually have go through some of those emotions again and sort them out. Sort out your thoughts. It most likely will get worse before it gets beter especially since you say you have only recovered 45% so far. There's emotions, blocked hurtful, shameful and terrorising memories that need to be understood and released! Others want to give you a rate of one star simply because they do not have the courage to tell you why and because telling someone the right way takes strength which would be honorable something many people lack. I smile when you say I wished I could be free like them because I remember when I thought those very thoughts. "I envied animals and did not even bother to aspire to be like humans because humans were way beyond my understanding." You can only take my word for this but as I fit your description of someone who knows what you've gone through I can honestly tell you. I thought those exact thoughts. Except for me, I was about 7-10 years old and I found humans (not all) but most were beyond my comprehension as I thought much different than everyone else and this was before I and 2 or more buddies were harmed by a neigborhood all boy trek-bound club leader. But you're right in the sence that "if I could only be an animal, I could escape this pain, embarrasment, and "stupid" people who don't care about things that really matter to me, like getting along. Except, I chose a different path than most. I chose not to live inside my head and develop schizofrenia or something, I chose not to hold all of my hurtfull memories to burn my chest and dull my comprehension. I chose to sense life, with the good and the bad. I figured for every bad experience there's at least 10 good ones and it was through this kalleidascope, this viewpiont that I figured out that I am in control of this vessel not someone or something else. And that's when it struck me that if I was in control, I also had to think for myself, and if I did that I had to communicate effectively with people. For me I said I'll simply let my inner self shine so that people know who I really am (there are some exceptions) I'm not going to be afraid of what people might say negatively about me, in my case. As Michael Horn says so well we must forgive ourselves, and in doing this we are able to forgive everyone else for all of their insane actions. I am even willing to forgive the Bafath for what they've done. They have to learn, truly understand why their manipulating human minds and creating religion and confusion on this planet is 100% anti creation. It is not logical to harm someone for ones pleasure, therefore not inline with creations wisdom. I don't hate the person who molested me, nor do I wish him to an imaganiray religious negative concoction of man, a so-called hell, but I can tell you many related to me did! It was when I showed them that I didn't wish him there and didn't display revenge was when my family finally setteled down and layed it to rest. As Dyson and I and many others have said before me, there is no hell but what you create. My advice to you, as someone who knows what it's like... Forgive him and everyone in your life including yourself and you'll slowly but surly start to remember what a pure mind starting to operate at fuller efficiency is like once again! Eat all organic foods, meditate, think balanced thoughts, and don't do anything you wouldn't recommend doing. NEGATIVE NEUTRAL ] ]____THINK ] HERE POSITIVE ] It will balance out and will enable you to work, think and promote an overall well-being. Additionally it will help provide your body with the correct wavelength (brainwaves) to instruct your (DNA) body to grow in its correct state and pace. I'm almost done!! In order to promote a raised awareness you have to first be more aware. It almost sounds like a catch 22 but it's not. Start getting in the practice of feeling your true innerself. Get out in Nature alot. I think this is the factor that helped me materialize my need to start talking with people. And it wasn't that I didn't like talking to people, it was that I was appauled at what they vibrated off of them and said and did. When your young one is much more aware. We have to regain that delecite balance once again. Sorry to go on but I feel it's so important to put a value on your life. That's how molesters of minds, thought and of the body are even able to continue with their sickness. The do not value other lives and most likely don't value theirs either. If it's talking to a loved one, spending time with a favorite past time activity or simply respecting creation for its beauty, finding a ground and a center is a must if we want to regain conciousness as true human beings.  Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2005 |
hello everyone, i'm back and it gives me a good feeling. i noticed figu has been busy in it's dicussions especially this area of th eforum. going off the topic, on the previous page of this page, you'll notice that sonick_01 is the las poster. i'm referring to post number 44. i noticed somebody gave him one star, which means the worst. i disagree. i give him 4 stars. one of the things i agree with him is that child abusee is brainwashing because i've been child abused and i stil am at this age. it's so bad that i even like it when people talk negative of me and i do with myself too. i keep telling myself everyday that i'm stupid, a nobody, a devil. i just hate myself. because that's how my mom sees me. she's constantly bringing me down. she's viciously verbally abusive. sometimes physically. Salome and love to all, Isabella Coca | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 227 Registered: 03-2004 |
MOON TRUTH. Michael Horn has just informed us that Billy has cleared up the confusion about the Apollo 11 scam, which generated so much debate here recently. Even the German-language original was confusing, and we dutifully and acurately carried this confusion over when we translated it. :-/ I've made an asterix down at the bottom of www.gaiaguys.net/MEIERPROPHECIES1958.htm and on the other version too. Cheers! Dyson From: Michael <michael@theyfly.com> Date:Sunday, 21 May 2006 6:02 PM To: gaiaguysnet <gaiaguys@gaiaguys.net> Subject: P.S. Meier confirmed that the five actual U.S. manned moon landings took place after the first faked one in 1969. Cheers, M | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 03-2006 |
Thanks Tj James, That was very, very extremely helpful. I had to read it a couple of times to fully grasp it because I’m not exactly the sharpest crayon in the box right now. What do you mean forgive myself? Also, I wanted to say thank you that you helped me realize that to give them more power by hating them is playing right into their hands because this is what the depraved and sick person wants to do to you. They want you to hate them because to hate causes poison within the soul, and their purpose is to destroy you, and it gives them sick pleasure to see you destroying yourself. It’s quite sick really, and not many people understand it. I sometimes even don’t, but it’s very hard to deal with. I had a lot more to say, but I think reading your words of experience gives me much comfort, and I’ll leave it at that. I shall mold and turn my attitude to the outside now instead of to the inside, and try to forgive this man, even if he doesn’t deserve to be called that, and I will do it for myself. Thank You… Saalome A quote comes to mind that I heard last week: "Anger is like taking a deadly poison and hoping someone else dies from it." It's very true. | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 03-2006 |
Thanks TJ James, Your words are very comforting and true. I had a lot to say but I decided not to say more because more is not needed. Your words are very comforting if analyzed thoroughly. It took me a couple of reads to get the full meaning. Thanks. A quote comes to mind from last week that my friend said: "Anger is like taking the most bitter, deadly poison and hoping someone else dies from it" It very much applies to my situation. Thanks once again. Saalome | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dyson, re post # 226...Did you just mention that the DP smells of a 'rat'? I just ordered 2 books from them. I remember reading somewhere on your site that S. Greer is (probably) part the 'establishment' and as I understand it 'they' have the final say as to what gets out and what doesn't. The more I read your site the more I realize how naively hopeful I was about the 'intelligent' australian people, although I still believe the majority once were. It took me a while to realize that gullible people are everywhere, but this people are more than I allowed myself to believe. I was foolishly naive because we often hear 'how aust. is the best country in the world', in my opinion that notion was crushed when the PM continued licking Bush's boots more vervently than ever. Now when I hear his voice I quickly switch off, because the wisel gives me the creeps. But I still can't understand how P. COstello follows Howard, while all along his brother the priest Tim C. is actually trying to help society, wouldn't this constitute a conflict of interests? and family fued?. But what's graciously amazing is the fact that Leunig still lives on and his work is so poignant now more than ever, infact I only have to look at his cartoon and I understand the politics of the day. In my opinion Leunig is honest and unbias history teller there is in aust. I actually cut out most of his cartoons and keep them in my own 'history book' as an example of how australian life unfolds creating history. I read somewhere a quote that said: "90% of people are stupid, the other 10% are very worried" but maybe it's better to be stupid, then being worried? this is the response I get sometimes from people who are confused, and that's worrying. Did you ever read John Pilger, the Secret Country? what can you figure out from his points of view? he comparres Chile to aust. quoting some US 'big shot' as saying "aust. is like Chile but more safisticated". Tha't right, the people in power here tell better spun lies than the crooks in Chile and people follow. I am beginning to see a crack in the window, where people are slowly seeing and realizing that they have been misled for a long time now, or is it just my hopeful imagination? | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 167 Registered: 12-2004 |
Greetings Sonik, I poured my heart out on that one, but like you said it's not about getting hate filled and poisoning yourself so your victimizer can embellish on your own misfortune. I personally am very proud of you for speaking about such things with openess and as far as I know sincerety. If I had to say anything else on the matter it is simply that we are all in this together and if we don't want to feel eachother's pain... then we're going to have to work here and begin to think like true human beings would so we can ressonate and reflect each and every other persons inner beauty in a similar manner light bounces off a mirror as we see our physical beauty we must learn to see eachother in the mirror vise versa. And at the same time we must respect the minute discrepancies of each person's frequency. Thank You, by knowing that I've been able to help you enables me to realize that I truly have pulled myself out of the depths of ignorance and into something a little more homely. Were all in this together. We can prove it by caring! Man o man! I just watched Michael Horn's "Meier Contacts" movie, and it never fails to bring something new to the table. If you were wondering about what I meant when I brought up "forgive yourself" or I should say what Mike Horn meant, it was that we litterally cannot forgive anyone (to a lessor or greater degree) unless we first forgive ourself for all the stupid mistakes we've commited, which is a necessary facet of life! What I simply meant was (think about this) don't hold a grudge against yourself simply because you've had unpleasant experiences in your life. When we forgive ourselves, while still remembering to gather the lessons from our mistakes we are in turn enabling personal acceptance, growth and acnkowledgement which leads to a whole host of other positive events. Focusing on the balance (yin&yang the equilibrium of the human spirit) instead of a the easily recognizable negative characteristics will help us pull the long haul if we are to avert WW3. Have a good one! Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 609 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dyson and All.... I think that was explained very very Clearly in the English translation I came across in the past. It could not have been other. I thought most of use may have Understood this, by this time..but in the contrary as it seems. I Never came across a translation, that it was mentioned differently! The translation I read was from the Original FIGU texts, which I once read. And that was "Burnt" in to my Consciousness! So, what Michael wrote...was well known to me. Good for him to Confirm...of course. But, it is good to know that now; the Ones whom Misunderstood, or were concentrating on the erroneous translation version, to know..."How The Fork Fits The Stick"... Edward. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 229 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Melli (et al) re: your post #94 Michael Leunig is by far my favorite cartoonist and one of the greatest geniuses of our time, and on our website I called him a living national treasure some years before he was actually formally granted that exact same title by Officialdom. I have about two dozen of his works on our website scattered among our many thousands of webpages. Here’s one we can all relate to: www.gaiaguys.net/luhowtodoit250304.jpg And these: www.gaiaguys.net/lulies.jpg , www.gaiaguys.net/luunderworld020404.jpg , www.gaiaguys.net/lubel.jpg & www.gaiaguys.net/lulight.jpg . Sadly, as you may know, Melli, Leunig found “Jesus” some years ago, and I think it damaged his work at the time quite badly, but he seems to have made a fairly good recovery which is a demonstration of his resilient moral fiber. Were I a conspiracy theorist, I might speculate that his trenchant artistic criticisms of the status quo earned him a blast with some telenotic electromagnetic weaponry, but I wouldn’t say that for fear of people thinking I was crazy. Heaven forbid. ;-) I haven’t read John Pilger’s book to which you refer, but I’m familiar with his work and have been following his career for many years I used to admire him. I don’t any more. There is an area of the corrupt corporate media (www.gaiaguys.net/mediacorruption.htm) that I might call “pseudo cutting-edge”. If you didn’t know any better, you would see people like Pilger as being right out there asking the hard questions and bringing the real truth to light. Nothing could be further from reality, as anyone can tell you who is even remotely familiar with – for instance – the scientific proof of the Disclosure Project, not to mention Billy Meier. Before Vivienne and I were kicked out of the former due to our support of the latter, she actually traveled 700km to Sydney to – among other things that are related to being an Official DP Representative – personally HAND John Pilger a thick collection of Disclosure Project data we produced in the form of Executive Summaries, witness testimonies, etc. and that we assembled for him, which he accepted gravely and graciously. For a self-styled “investigative journalist”, Mr. Pilger is very hard to make contact with except in person at one of his many lucrative speaking engagements all over the world. So when most folks hear/read the John Pilgers of this world, they have NO IDEA that the Disclosure Project even EXISTS, like when they read NEXUS and have no idea about the Elite Protected Pedophiles that run the world. And most people never find out who the REAL enemies of society are because they pass themselves off as our brave saviors. Bah! :-( Speaking of real enemies of society, if you believe that the two Costello Brothers (Australian Treasurer and Prime Minister in Waiting & Baptist high-profile false humanitarian) are not serving the same master, you are very much mistaken. Politics has always been the fawning handmaiden of religion, and the fact that this is probably a new idea to you is a testimony to how cunningly your mind has been manipulated by our slave-masters who always take both sides of every phony argument and quite roughly lead 99% of us around by the nose like the dumb cattle we so manifestly are. Of course in Australia we are taught that Australia is the best country in the world. When I grew up in the USA it was a given that “America” was the best country in the world, and in the history of the world, and probably in the whole universe, because there was no evidence that there was any life elsewhere. (LIARS!) When I was stationed in Germany, I was told by proud Germans that theirs was obviously the best country in the world. Swiss people have said the same to me about Switzerland. What’s the tastiest food? What’s the prettiest flower? How do you measure the “best” country? In what way is one country better than another? Perhaps we should broaden our horizons and not fall for the reverse psychology of the phony New World Order, and start to learn to live as ONE PLANET, as taught by the Billy and the Plejaren, instead of warring nation states. I think that Australia is probably not a great deal more corrupt than many – say – developing Asian and African countries, it’s just MUCH more hypocritical and devious. Not to mention collectively sexually degenerate, hedonistic, apathetic, arrogant, pig-ignorant and complacent. Don’t get me wrong. I love the place and always – since I was a tiny child – made up my mind to live and die here, but when I applied to migrate, to my surprise, I was not told by the Australian immigration official that it was the best country on the world. Instead he said, “We have a lot of problems in our country. We need people like you to help fix them. If we let you come, will you try to do that? I thought for a second, and said, “Yes”. And now my homestead of 29 years only has to have the paperwork processed by the people who identify with 666, and we’re out on the street, back to square one. Funny old world, eh? And then there was the Great Valuer Generals Department Scandal of the 80’s-90’s. www.gaiaguys.net/VG_page.htm Sometimes I wonder what became of that immigration official to whom I made my promise, and I wonder how much he REALLY knew about Earth. I sure didn’t know much. They say there are three kinds of people in the world. Those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who say, “What happened!?” The trick is moving as quickly as possible from category 3 to category 1. But I’m digressing again. Sorry. The problem of non-engagement with the things that really matter while concentrating on superficial ridiculousness is touched upon in our translation from BIlly the June bulletin #56 that I drew your attention to in the other thread (www.gaiaguys.net/meier.56.ratgeber.htm) but it bears repeating here: Das Gros der Menschen ist nur noch darauf bedacht, sich in den selbstgebastelten Kokon zurückzuziehen, um darin - abgeschottet von der Aussen- und Umwelt - immer mehr zu verkümmern. The majority of humans is only still intent on withdrawal into the self-made cocoon, therein - closed off from the outside world and environment - to increasingly atrophy. … Alle wichtigen und äusserst wichtigen Faktoren werden vergessen, wobei sich die ganze Konzentration nur noch auf Lächerlichkeiten ausrichtet. All important and exceedingly important factors are forgotten, whereby the entire concentration is directed only towards absurdities. See: www.gaiaguys.net/luclaptrap.jpg & www.gaiaguys.net/lujourno.jpg I’d better leave it at that. Salome, Dyson P.S. You write, "I am beginning to see a crack in the window, where people are slowly seeing and realizing that they have been misled for a long time now, or is it just my hopeful imagination?" Perhaps not. :-) Check out what happened in Melbourne this morning that the papers didn't print, even though (Murdoch's) www.news.com.au did: www.gaiaguys.net/vic.catholicsatanic.htm What's that I hear? The Age of Pisces crumbling? P.P.S. Dear Edward, now I'm confused. Was there another translation? | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 168 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dyson When are you going to become a passive member so I can meet you at the swiss center during the passive meetings and thank you personally for all of the good work you and Viviene have done? ?? Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Gicayhwh Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 06-2003 |
Hi Isabella, This is your Dad (Gica). Please send me an email at gcoca0364@yahoo.com. I'm glad that I found you on this website. Hope you are doing well. Please don't hesitate to write me an email. With Love, Your Dad (gicayhwh) Hello, Isabella, I know you have been looking for your dad for quite some time Scott | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 231 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Tim, (et al) Thanks for your warm sentiments, but you’ve mixed two separate matters here. I’ll take them sequentially. In reply to questions about the Spirit Lessons, on May 12th, I addressed your first question here already about why I am not a passive member: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/6103.html#POST20593 I wrote, “After much thought, I think I’ll continue to stand outside and act as gorilla for a while, since I don’t want to have my influential protection of FIGU weakened by ill-motivated false accusations of divided loyalties, etc. I see it as a combination of Natural Barbarism and enforced non-violence. So that leaves me in an odd position, but a very familiar one to me.” If I might elaborate; the work I do with the Billy Meier material is still a minor component of my mission (so to speak) and the nature of that dirty work – the neighborhood I work in, if you will – is full of people whose ethics (or lack thereof) are such that I think that a lot of the firepower directed at me personally could collaterally damage FIGU simply due to my insider status were I to join. So I think my ferocious defense of the truth (as delivered by dear BEAM & friends) is better effected from outside than inside, for the same reason that armed security guards march back and forth OUTSIDE the building they are protecting instead of indoors where it's warm and dry. Here are some of the many internet items which might illustrate my point about trying to keep my friends at FIGU up out of the mud and blood where I allow myself to be dragged in my lonely service to the unwanted truth: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread162240/pg1 http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread187745/pg1 http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-123733.html http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-290.phtml http://t-satanas.livejournal.com/4561.html http://oldsydimc.cat.org.au/front.php3?article_id=61311 http://www.marilyn-manson.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-7728.html http://www.surfsteve.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4668嚲 http://www.occultforums.com/showthread.php?s=dd4a7a228c6200eb77ebfaefe7d1ff59&p=193443#post193443 http://www.hexengemeinde.de/viewtopic.php?p=51638&sid=63ac17098990f00ea300d23bddae9f4e http://the-riotact.com/?p=731 http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm14.showMessage?topicID=14.topic I read this stuff and wonder, “Who ARE these HORRIBLE MORONS, Devine & Legg? :-/ Anyway … This second question you ask of me, Tim, is when I’m coming to Switzerland. I was last in the Zürich highlands in 1972 when I was stationed in Stuttgart, and unless circumstances change radically, that will remain the last time, sadly. It is a breathtakingly beautiful part of the planet. You have to remember that we were successfully sued for defamation (of/by the “we have a right to kill” 666 people here who run our country) last year for A$30,000, becasue of this: www.gaiaguys.net/victoria.htm , with another A$50,000 claim against us already promised, plus who-knows-how-much more to come on November 20th when our "religious villification and victimisation" (of the 666ers) trials start down in Melbourne. Bankruptcy proceedings are already underway, and we’ll be doing our future translations somewhere on the side of the road from our 32 year old Kombi van soon by the looks of things, unless a miracle happens, so the little jaunt to Hinterschmitrüti from Australia looks rather optimistic, wouldn’t you think? Especially given that the above figures represent about five year’s income. (A$=75cents U.S.) If it were Austria instead of Australia, things would be different. And it wouldn't be so DRY! :-) But wonders never cease, so we remain neutral-positive about things, and the inexplicable delay in evicting us from our homestead of 29 years (which is to be sold at public auction to pay the 666 folks) is encouraging, as is this item in the news yesterday: http://blogs.news.com.au/news/crime/index.php/news/comments/extraordinary_claims_true_catholic_church/ I don’t ever expect to meet personally with very many of my friends at FIGU, but I don’t ever expect to meet the Plejaren either, and that doesn’t inhibit my deep regard for them, because that which is our elemental essence is not our flesh anyway, of course, so my non-physical spirit can be conveyed in all sorts of ways, like even in print, as they do! :-) And that – the ability to communicate the evolutionary spirit in plain old WORDS – is what sets us aside from the rest of the animal kingdom and makes us human, according to the Plejaren. So I take Billy’s sagacious advice, “Speak little, and write a lot”, in the hope that my love can be go to where it is acceptable … to all you dear like-minded people, even if I never get back to beautiful Switzerland again to have the honor of shaking your hands "personally". Cheers! Dyson | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 02-2006 |
Dyson,this post 231,describing your deteriorating situation with 666(bumb-lint)moves my primitive emotional patterns all over the place. I have been following your work closely and want it to continue.You sound very serious about living out of the Kombi,and needing a miracle. This cannot be the Divine destiny,you have come to far.Will you remain in Australia no matter what the out-come? There must be a way for you to be able to continue your work with Vivienne.Your dirty work has to continue.These defamation victories against you are disgusting,and so remaining neutral positive will be very difficult. No matter what the out-come you will always have a mountain of my respect.Salome Pudd | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 234 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Pudd, (& ors.) Thank you for your kind and touching words. I think it has to be remembered that, although it certainly appears that our situation is indeed deteriorating in a legal sense, in a broader sense, every day that passes without our eviction is celebrated here as a real victory. I don’t know anybody else who can celebrate a victory every day as Vivienne and I do. You have to remember who our adversaries actually ARE – or should I say, “WERE”. When the Bafath were in residence, prior to May 1978, we simply would have vanished off the face of the Earth a long time ago long before the truth could ever have begun to see the light of day, ending up with a long torturous ritualized death in some gruesome occult religious setting. But now everything has changed, the lights are going on for the first time all over the planet, and – like Dracula – these blood-suckers (literally!!) are seemingly paralyzed in that growing glare of public scrutiny. The sun is up. The Golden Age of Knowledge has begun. Certainly the Roman Catholic Church, formally and in writing, admitting that satanic ritual abuse/child sacrifice has gone on in the U.S.A. (last month) and now in Melbourne, in the case I drew your attention to, provides us with a source of real hope that Vivienne and I have never previously enjoyed. It’s pretty obvious that the longer the Eastern Templar Freemasons delay in merely processing their own paperwork for our bankruptcy/eviction, the longer we get to inform the world of what’s really going on regarding satanic ritual sacrifice, etc. The tricky bit is going to be adequately elucidating the bizarre nexus between this and the hoaxed “alien” abductions referred to by the Plejaren and which are such a feature of the Disclosure Project witness testimony. What better way to silence or discredit a satanic ritual abuse/sacrifice witness than to abduct and torture her/him in a real electrogravitic vehicle tarted up to look like it comes form the planet Zarb, and at the same time engender yet more terror in the small hearts of Earth humans? (Not to mention advance the military-industrial complex’s R&D!) Sadly, the courage needed to tell us their personal stories of horror and sexual sadism perpetrated by the degenerates who are above the law of the land does not often extend to going public, and I don’t blame these poor people a bit. And THESE are the SURVIVORS! We have one narrative published which is almost inclusive, www.gaiaguys.net/Call.me.Laure.O.htm and is connected to another one we have published that you will have to find and put together yourself, as a stipulation from the semi-anonymous author, for whom we have the very highest respect and admiration, and who is another one of those ordinary women who just gets stronger the more s—t is heaped on her by The Powers That Be. At a more personal level for Vivienne and me, something Semjase said 31 years ago applies here, and I’ll take the liberty of quoting at length from her tenth contact because I think that this needs to be much better understood (my emphasis added). 190. But when the human identifies himself with everything in the universe, no hate and no greed may dwell within him anymore, because he makes no more selfish differences. 191. He has just become one with the essence in everything. 192. Other people may claim something as their exclusive property, but he who thinks spiritually identifies it with the truth within and, therefore, owns everything internally. 193. All fright has left him, while he identifies himself with the truth. 194. This truth of Creation and of the spirit, with which he is one, even directs his enemy's hand that will rise against him, in such a way that it falls back to (the enemy) himself. 195. The spiritual one is protected and sheltered, and THE WHOLE OF NATURE IS WELL-DISPOSED TOWARD HIM, and yes, even his enemies have to serve him in the end. 196. With their attacks, they cause the spiritual within him to unfold to even greater strength and power and to overcome all that is evil, vile and degenerated. 197. Ultimately, the enemies only contribute to the recognition of the truth and growth of those who think spiritually. 198. They wish evil, troubles and bad things to those who think spiritually; they are of the opinion that they could destroy them through critique, know-it-all manner, lies and defamation, through complaints and false teachings, through condemning and making a fool of him; however, they only cause damage to themselves, because their acting gives testimony of intellectual foolishness and ignorance, from which he who thinks spiritually learns even more and becomes even greater and more powerful in his spirit and consciousness. 199. Are such truths perhaps suggestions? 200. To claim this would be a delusion, because it is false. 201. It deals here with absolute truths. And it’s this last line that I’d very much like everybody to focus on, because it’s been our personal experience that most people read this stuff and go, “Yeah, yeah. Sure.” because – to them – it sounds like the “false gifts and broken promises” of religion. (Preceding quote from the 2002 Crabwood ET face & code crop circle. www.gaiaguys.net/Chilbolton01.htm) But it’s actually the other way around. The Bafath’s insidiously spiritually toxic/addictive religions are unimaginably cunning simulations of the true spiritual teachings, so configured that if/when we ever DO encounter the truth, we unthinkingly reject it as just more sectarian bulls—t. But the truth DELIVERS what all the stupid, evil, poisonous, illogical religions of the planet promise but can never fulfill. I’m almost hesitant to mention the letter published in the most recent bulletin from the German lady who found the truth some years ago and is now (also!) experiencing nature (specifically in relation to destructive local weather events) – in effect – “smiling on her”. This is so whacky sounding that it strains people’s minds, but no less true for it, in our personal experience. Jmmanuel said, 5:10 "Blessed are the righteous, for nature is subject to them.” Someday I’d like to make the time to list some of the strange and almost “miraculous” happy “coincidences” (and I put those terms in quotes because Billy says that there are no miracles, and when it comes to Creation there are no coincidences) that we have experienced here, but the list is growing long, and most people already seem to believe that we’re nuts, so I’ll leave that for now. Suffice it to say that Jmmanuel told the absolute truth. Anyway … back to the prosaic. Yes, Pudd, we will certainly remain in Australia. As if we had a choice? :-) And we’re actually really looking forward to seeing a lot more of this wide brown land of ours which we love so very much, while staying in state forests, following the seasons to visit Vivienne’s family down in temperate Tasmania in the summers and exploring the stunningly beautiful Far North in the tropical winters. We effectively doubled the value of our old heap to A$2,000 by installing a used “pop-up” top to it – fully reconditioned with new fabric and six windows and now even I can stand up straight in it! (We had to get it specially extended.) And it makes a very dry and cozy little home/office on wheels. We’ve learned that we’ll be able to keep both the van and our laptop, not to mention our treasury of FIGU books, so as long as we can get into what we laughingly refer to as civilization once in a while, we’ll keep the articles and translations coming. Actually, one of the reasons that we’ve both been so prolific in that regard in the last 10 months (have you noticed?) is BECAUSE of the Freemasons' lawsuits! We ceased all maintenance of our gardens and orchards, which are still feeding us in a hunter-gatherer sort of way, and now concentrate almost solely on our research and website publications, which will continue (unless, of course, we are both killed) and which is our chosen destiny. And ... believe it or not … neither of us has ever been happier! I used to think that my old transplanted roots had already gone down way too far into my beloved 100 acre bit of bush to be able to happily depart, but I was wrong, and when one thinks spiritually, even that changes and I now know that I really just belong to Mother Earth, not any particular place. The Plejaren tell us that we Earthlings have to learn that we are not really individuals at all, but a “we-form” of the planetary intelligence, something like the way Arahat Athersata is a discarnate we-form. And the truth which will set us free (which is a fact that even “Jesus” managed to reveal), also EMPOWERS us. THAT simple fact is The Greatest Secret of the Ages, and was redacted in every instance from the Stevens’ translations. And it’s true. But please don’t take my word for it. Please find out for yourselves. Salome, Dyson | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 318 Registered: 06-2000 |
My sentiments exactly , Pudd . Dyson does much more than talk , he takes action in regards to his committments . I'm sure that the creepy little deviant who is constantly negating everything regarding Dyson with the voting stars is also one of the *** Oh ..... I stopped myself there . To Use your imagination as to what I imply here . Oh , And don't forget to vote me a One Star , you disgusting little gremlin . Mark Campbell | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 04-2006 |
I think there are people that want to avoid replies to Dyson posts because it would mean they have to write half a book lengthy replies :D (Thats my case).It`s much easier stay hidden and vote negatively (not my case).To vote negatively without explanation does not help anybody. Billy says "No answer is an excellent answer".Seems to be simple,but i had to meditate about that for 2 days until i got the real meaning. I hope nobody posts here to get recognition or to boost ones ego,but to share your knowledge/wisdom with the others.That includes to go through the process of criticism and controversy.Dyson quoted it: 196. With their attacks, they cause the spiritual within him to unfold to even greater strength and power and to overcome all that is evil, vile and degenerated.(It is when the hard time comes when we give our maximum perfomance). I`ve recently read the Tj.It blew me away.Jmannuel KNEW some of his disciples did NOT understand his teachings well.But he knew too that to learn and evolve is an individual personal task,always leading to truth.(Although for many it can take trillions of years to achieve it). Its the obstacles in the way,like criticism,prosecution,difamation,any kind of difficulties,the reasons that shorten the process leading to the truth. So dont be ashamed/afraid to criticize any forum members post but always keep a neutral positive mind towards the critics. Saalome | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 222 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Figu Could you allow us forum members to set up gaiaguys appeal fund from this forum and from this website to help dyson and vivienne in need from what is inevitably about to happen in their law suit. I know we aren't all rich people who can throw money around but what is best for FIGU is in the end best for us and what is good for gaiaguys is good for us and FIGU naturally. Sorry if I sound self interested but truly if a friend is in need Its the least we can do. Dear moderators? Hello Newinitiation, Maybe it might be a good idea to ask Dyson about this, before you go any further with your idea. Things may not appear as they seem...you might want to correspond with him via e-mail. Scott | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Dyson, It is hard for me to even begin to understand the criminality in politics, but I gather that you are not deterred and are infact aided which gives you immense sense of spiritual power, which has no earthly measure. But I would like to ask you, did you ask for a pro bono legal assistance from someone like a QC ? Robert Richter for example, or someone else in a similar position, I forgot the others names? Surely not everybody is degenerate as those who are pursuing you. What about Philip Adams, could he help in any a way? Whatever may arise hopefully later rather than sooner, I am in melb. and you are both most welcome to stay with me and my family. (so that I get can speed up my learning progress while you teach me the right german pronounciation to the Spirit prayer). Do you know if there are translations to the Plejarens' teachings about "everyday living", and I don't mean the spiritual teachings that Jacob explained? I don't know how to explain it but I would like to read some information like for example you provided about the milk issue, or the fact that we humans should not be colouring our hair, and so on... | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear all, Dyson your words mean so much, I honestly shouldn't have even asked such questions when really I know the answer. I am sorry if I caused you stress in thinking about all these issues, this may be the last thing you need. I actually knew what your situation was, I honestly and simply wanted to give you inspiration and hopefully even an insight of positive change, where if you read my questions and thought about the good posibilities, perhaps you could find a better solution for your current problems with which you and Viviene are facing. I know you've made your decision and please no need to give me any explanations on this matter. I understand as much as a young American student influenced by figu can. I contribute in my own ways. Mainly three ways (1.) by word of mouth (WHEN PRUDENT) (2.) through my conciousness and vibrations that affect everthing in and around me and (3.) By my figu membership that I just recieved in the mail yesterday. Now, Hector said "I hope nobody posts here to get recognition or to boost ones ego,but to share your knowledge/wisdom with the others.That includes to go through the process of criticism and controversy" Hector were you talking about me giving my advice? I know I do not fully understand all of the spiritual teachings. But I am on my way to my 3rd college German course and I am studying as I can Einfuhrung in die Meditation and I have OM but not sudying yet. I am getting better and it will take time and dedication, something Dyson could give lectures on. I have not sufficiently studied them but that is partly why I am a member now. Just by reading the Geisteslehere, ones evolution is advanced ie spiritual years. Also by giving monetary donations to figu is one of the methods I choose to participate. To me it is something that is logical based on my situation, and I as think about Dyson's contribution and how he goes about it. But, specifically Dysons situation as explained in his responses are so core rattling and as Pudd said "escribing your deteriorating situation with 666(bumb-lint)moves my primitive emotional patterns all over the place." Dyson, I'm sure me going through an inner rollercoaster of emotion, as long as the outcome is good, is well worth your struggle. I have not been put in the position to fight the OT Masons so I do not have the right to truthfully put in my opionion about them, this is why I find it so hard to respond to Dyson. I'm not sure if you were speaking about me Hector or that sneaky single star voter when you said "I think there are people that want to avoid replies to Dyson posts because it would mean they have to write half a book lengthy replies" ______________________________________________________________ Setting up a donation fund for Dyson and Viviene sounds good Newinitiation, Like you said were not all rich people but I'm sure Dyson and Viviene could use what we do come up with. Is this a good idea Dyson & Viviene? Or, will this money simply wind up(through the lawsuits)in the hands of the OT Masons? Tim Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 237 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, Of course I’m touched by this clearly well-meant suggestion by Newinitiation, but please let me to set the record straight. Money is not the solution. Money is the PROBLEM. Bankruptcy means that any money (or personal property which could be sold) which might come our way now will go entirely to the Eastern Templar Freemasons to pay the A$30,000+ (with another A$50,000+ promised) that we owe them for exposing … sorry … “defaming” them. That’s the first point. The second point is that lawyers are not the solution. They are the problem. Had we chosen to try to defend ourselves with lawyers it would have taken ALL our money and have been futile anyway (and this is a purely hypothetical point anyway, because even Dr. Michaelson – the origin of the article which engendered all the legal action against us – was totally incapable of finding a legal representative until very recently for her coming religious vilification trials in November) because the entire system is corrupt. It’s not like a banana that might have a rotten bit that can be cut out and the rest of the fruit is quite intact, it’s like an orange that is green with thick slimy mold on its thinning flesh, having turned into a soft and fragile container filled with stinking rotten liquid corruption. You don’t eat it. You seek nourishment elsewhere. Jmmanuel said, 5:26. "Truly, I say to you: You will attain justice only when you find it yourself and can make your fellow humans understand it.” And that’s what we are trying to do with our website, because we have proven that our police, judiciary and legislature (the three traditional pillars of a Westminster democracy) are totally corrupted by Freemasons. Our democratically elected (and our elections are crooked here too!) representatives even formally threatened to sue us in 2000 for writing on our site that they refused to respond to our letters asking for help when one of them gave the neighboring 500 acre Pine Brush National Estate away (to be used as a gravel quarry!) to his “oldest and dearest friend” for a dollar an acre! That’s why gaiaguys is now an expensive domain name hosted off shore. And Phillip Adams!?! Please … do your homework about him. Speaking of “degenerate”. And we’ve contacted him previously anyway, and only got public mockery. He ended up doing an interview with Arthur C. Clarke who tried to tell him about the 450 Disclosure Project witnesses, and Adams spat back, "I hope they're seeking therapy" and changed the subject. So please, everybody, if you want to help the voiceless survivors of the Untouchable Pedophile Elite (not Vivienne and me personally. We are not the issue.) don't go to the perpetrators for assistance, just please inform yourselves adequately of the situation as it is now, and its root causes which seem to all stem from the Bafath. On page 230 of Guido Moosbrugger’s And Still thy Fly, he write, “In their megalomania, the invaders let themselves be praised as God (in the sense of the Creator), demanded blood sacrifice and performed deadly retaliatory measures against the Earth people.” ONLY when Earth humans wake up to these horrible blood sacrifice cults and their sectarian connections to The Rich and Powerful, and stop pretending that it is not real, will some justice start to be felt for the survivors. You can’t just throw money at things. You have to INFORM people, starting with yourself. This is the Age of Knowledge, not the Age of Money. That was the old age. The Australian government threw 80 million dollars at some remote tribal Aboriginal communities a few years ago, and now they have total anarchy there and are talking about an airlift of the citizens to save them from warring gangs of young hoodlums. That’s down at the bottom of www.gaiaguys.net/bersson.htm And while I’m at it, in case Hector is still with me here, I have a question. Where did you get that quote from Billy, please? “No answer is the best answer”. The reason I ask is because I can’t remember ever reading that, and I think there may be a misunderstanding being promoted here that is leading people in the exact opposite direction as that which is intended. In Germany they say, „Kein Antwort ist auch ein Antwort“, which means,“No answer is also an answer“. This seems to stem form OM where it is written, “Kein Antwort ist ein klare Antwort.” (No answer is a clear answer.) In Germany this means that if you don’t answer a question it’s because any answer you might provide would incriminate you in some way. Dear Melli, "pro bono" is not without cost, just without lawyers charges. You still have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in court costs. Billy's book, "Directives" is the best source of the answers you seek. Salome, Dyson | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 04-2006 |
Tjames my comment was not addressing anybody,i think your contribution to this forum is irreproachable,admirable ever since.I adviced not to vote 1 star without mercy because i think that has no sense at all.Perhaps i was not too helpful this time,im sorry. The quote " No answer is an excellent answer" may be inaccurate too,i remember reading it somewhere from Billy and the exact words may be OM`s " No answer is a clear answer".I`ll try to find out where i did read that.If we do not quote Billy exactly then there are misunderstandings and wrong interpretations.My fault. I thought the meaning of my quote was:In the case you are ignorant about some issues,or you are doubtful,its better to shut up than to express your opinion,and your credibility remains intact. "No answer is a clear answer " would mean you cant add anything new to what`s been said,therefore you accept what`s been said as true,and no further explanation is needed.If so,i quoted Billy out of context  Kindly regards | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 610 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Isabella... I was glad that you e-mailed me a time ago, and am more than glad..that you and your father have United, once again... Good to know that my advice to you to ask on this/the FIGU board was Fruitful for both of you... Gezondheid to you both... Edward. | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 02-2006 |
Many of my friends have become interested in this material and have been studying it for themselves.They come to me with questions as they are in the early stages of moving their belief system to one of knowledge. I recommend Figu approved material to maximize accuracies.A question I recieve often which I have no answer for is;;;;; Why did the Plejaren/federation wait centuries to remove the Bafath?I have of course speculated,but have not read anything concrete on this matter.Hopeing once again to hear from my respectable figu member's.We are indeed united in our search for wisdom.Salome Pudd | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 239 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi everybody! Just BRIEFLY (for a change ... Kontactberichte #8 JUST arrived! WOW!!!! :-) I'll be out of the office for a while!) Hector, I even misquoted your misquote too! (D'oh!) To be EXACT : OM 32:1480 “Kein Antwort ist eine klare Antwort.” (No answer is a clear answer.) And it pretty much means what I described above. I know the very familiar expression really well from context. It does not mean that ‘there are no such things as clear answers’, but my somewhat literal translation might suggest that. It means that not providing an answer is a clear indicator of ignorance or something to hide. Mistakes are to learn from, and we should never be ashamed of making them. Incidentally, in the last bulletin, Hans Georg-Lanzendorfer wrote a (typically) excellent article about how everybody has a right to express his opinion, (the definition of which is: a view that is less than a certainty) in response to criticism of FIGU members making comments which were falsely interpreted as “political”. Dear JamesT, no harm done at all! Quite the contrary, it gave me an excuse to bang my drum! ;-) All the best, my friends, and keep sharing your wisdom! It's enormously welcome and appreciated, and I'm really delighted that this forum is starting to collect some new sages! Cheers! Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 240 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Pudd, Billy writes that in order for a problem to be adequately recognised, it has to be brought to an acute stage. Only then can a sufficient number of people actually perceive that there IS a problem, and then deal with it in an appropriately informed manner. It pays to remember also that humans are supposed to live for a thousand years. Salome, Dyson | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 01-2004 |
hi on the dvd CONTACT, on the cover there is a picture of a beamship. my question is, why is it coloured in the colours it is coloured in? thanks. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hi Dyson, Your responses to my suggestions have demolished any spec of hope I had for the few who came across as 'different' and who I thought spoke their minds, people like the Costello bros, P. Adams, Pilger. I guess I have to start over again but to be honest I am switching off the TV/ radio news and only read the paper from the end, always beginning with a Leunig cartoon that serves me as a header for today's news. To be frank I only subscribed to the age because of Leunig. Unfortunately we don't get the S.M. H. here. So who is worth listening to? who is a true leader in this apathetic country? If 'this' one day happens to arrive that you have to pack up and go, I guess that you will be heading to tasmania with your combi van and probably travel on board the 'Cat', therefore my invitation from my previous post stands and for the court case in November also. I was streching my imagination a little and had an idea: if and when (hopefully not) the auction of your land comes up, and it's done on the premises, why not put up some sort of a sign that would deter any buyer? the wording is up to you.... surely they can't bring a charge against you because you thought of some 'probable and or inevitable assumptions' as an experienced land owner...? Could you please aloborate on the EM radiation( I am guessing that's what it was because I couldn't find the explantion for the word you used in 2 dictionaries) that Leunig and Latham got 'zapped' with, and how have you avoided it yourself? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 241 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Melli, If there was a truth-teller in Australia, I haven't found her/him yet within the corporate media … or the rest of the religio/political demimonde either. I still think that it’s well worth keeping up with the quality of the deception though, so you can gauge what other people are swallowing, otherwise you get socially disconnected if all you do is study Billy’s stuff, etc. And it’s great to watch the Old Order crumbling. SBS-TV did a documentary a couple weeks ago about the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, and Channel Ten Network screened “9-11 In Plane Site” !!! ABC and SBS have told people about ETs being real (The British X Files) and even did a doco on Crop Circles! Wow! But even the internet (especially the internet!) is infested with spooks who have ruthless truth-obscuring agendas. Where is Billy Meier mentioned in all this chaff? That "Above Top Secret" discussion thread about me started by "terraX/terrarubicon" is a classic example of a constant flow of dirty lies that I can’t even sign onto and refute. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread187745/pg12 It stands to reason that the same would apply to other scandals, of which I am unaware, too. It seems like a horrible abuse of forests to buy the Age just for Leunig when you can get stuff like this free on line: http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/05/31/wbTOON3105_gallery__470x336.jpg Go to http://www.theage.com.au/cartoons/index.html then go to the thumbnail gallery, and pass your mouse over the thumbs to see the little dialog box come up which identifies the cartoonist. (For our USAmerican FIGU friends … we Australians openly dislike Amerika even more than China, according to recent polling.) The SMH is the same as the Age (Fairfax) but you can buy it in any of the bigger Melbourne newsagents if you want to anyway. Can’t imagine why you would. You can mulch your garden just as well with the Age. Or wrap fish. Thanks for the generous invite, Melli. Vivienne and I may yet meet you under those sad circumstances, but we are very self-contained, and, anyway, after this latest scandal in the corporate media with the Melbourne Catholic church finally admitting to the existence of satanic ritual child sacrifice going on in their ranks (and there is still much much more to come out!) and even having the central character in the drama allowed to publicly refer to my full name (!!!) (our website address still has “total black ban” on it by the Freemasons, of course), it looks increasingly as if the Eastern Templars are now far too frightened by the idea of violent public retribution to actually collect their $80,000+ off us! Given that their holy book demands that they “show no mercy” and “trample down the weak” letting us off their high legal hook now would be hard to justify on doctrinal grounds, but the instinct for self-preservation is strong, even among the most demented devotees of the most homicidally/suicidally whacko cults, it seems. Certainly your idea of repelling potential buyers initially crossed our minds, and the entire scandal would be well covered on the www at any rate, with photographs and identification of all the participants, but I worked for the NSW Valuer General’s Dept. long enough to get long-service leave, so I know that real-estate transactions are often nothing more than easy ways to launder dirty money, so it would basically be a set-up deal among organized criminals which would not accurately reflect real market values. And ever since the Bafath were evicted from under the Giza Plateau in 1978, there has been a distinct lack of coordination among these clowns, which has – in this case - led to one group of vengeful idiots suddenly publicly proposing a billion dollar six-lane highway through our place at the exact same time that another group of vengeful idiots is trying to sell it out from under us! NOT good forward planning, unless McDonalds is in on it too and the place is earmarked as the newest Pacific Highway ratburger palace! ;-) Sorry. “EM” = “electromagnetic”, and in this specific instance I mean telenotic (electromagnetic anti-personnel / mind-control) technology, as described by the Disclosure Project witnesses. It would be a variation on the sort of thing that was used to try to kill Dr. Reina Michaelson, the lady who is going on trial along with us in November. www.gaiaguys.net/vic.car15.5.03.htm (Incidentally, we told the Victorian Civil and Administrative Appeals Tribunal in no uncertain terms that we will NOT be co-operating with their criminal activities and basically dared them to charge us for contempt of court and put us both in prison for six months, as is their stated “right”. And they don’t even have jurisdiction out of their own state anyway, so it’s just a great farce.) I think telenotically inducing Christianity in Michael Leunig would have been deemed more effective than just butchering him outright and running the risk of "conspiracy theories" and the rise of a Leunig cult. I’m not really 100% serious anyway about that. Why is it this advanced super-secret EM weaponry not being used on Vivienne and me? Sorry, Melli. I never discuss our security arrangements. Cheers! Dyson. | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 02-2006 |
Things are really heating up with regards to the Topsecretforum.It would appear that it is laden with Mason's. I find the discussions there very interesting.Guys like Masonic Light,such a proud mason,thinking he is of sound mind. It's been all down hill for these triple 6ers,with May of 78 being a bad year. They really don't like this age of knowledge,however I love it(ALOT).Salome Pudd. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Kukulkan greetins from Spain. If we want to do something about criminal leaders that is to think and act with sound reason and according to some laws that Billy Meier and the extraterrestrial plejaren call creational laws and commandments. Mainly it means to act with a kind of "gewaltsame gewaltlosigkeit" which means to fight,to strive powerfully for what is right,peaceful,balanced,without showing any sign of violence in our behaviour.Before you can act like that you have to begin to live in a spiritual way,because there are some concepts that should be understood prior to try to save the world or your neighbour We think here that the biggest part of the population is ignorant about the biggest and most important questions of man. Of course we guarantee you that Billy has an answer for all of them as had Mohammed ,Jesus (Jmmanuel),Elijah,Jeremiah in the past.Should Billy not answer due to agenda problems,we will do that with pleasure.It`s up to you,if you´ll find them helpful or not. Be welcomed | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 244 Registered: 03-2004 |
Me already again, jumping in with a little English! "Gewaltsame gewaltlosigkeit" is a very important and not very well understood concept. It literally means "forcible forcelessness” which I think is a more confusing way of saying it than “enforced non-violence”. It’s like how a violent criminal is subdued in a non-violent way, so he cannot hurt himself and others, but it has a broader meaning too, as a way of thinking about how to deal with force/violence. I was asked to write a little article for Australasian UFOlogist, Vol.6, No.1, 2002, which touches on this theme. www.gaiaguys.net/ET_ETHICS.htm Interestingly, it was published the same week that our friend Prof. Jim Deardorf wrote his brilliant: www.tjreseach.info/denial.htm Salome, Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 249 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hey, Newinitiation! A little ammo for your battle with ANTILOGOS/666! Cheers! Dyson www.gaiaguys.net/oto.compassionisvice.htm & www.gaiaguys.net/Crowley-biography.htm & www.hermetic.com/220/crowley-comments.html Linda "The-Serpent-Beneath-the-Flower" Williams: "Newinitiation, please clarify this statement. What ideals are espoused that could attract paedophiles to O.T.O.? Am I correct in assuming that you are simply comparing and contrasting Thelemic literature to the variety of literature offered by Oprah's book club?" http://www.hermetic.com/220/crowley-comments.html ~ The Old and New Commentaries to Liber AL ~ by Aleister Crowley (snip) The Beast 666 ordains by His authority that every man, and every woman, and every intermediately-sexed individual, shall be absolutely free to interpret and communicate Self by means of any sexual practices soever, whether direct or indirect, rational or symbolic, physiologically, legally, ethically, or religiously approved or no, provided only that all parties to any act are fully aware of all implications and responsibilities thereof, and heartily agree thereto. Moreover, the Beast 666 adviseth that all children shall be accustomed from infancy to witness every type of sexual act, as also the process of birth, lest falsehood fog, and mystery stupefy, their minds, whose error else might thwart and misdirect the growth of their subconscious system of soul-symbolism. "when, where, and with whom ye will!" The phrase "with whom" has been practically covered by the comment on "as ye will". One need no more than distinguish that the earlier phrase permits all manner of acts, the latter all possible partners. There would have been no Furies for Oedipus, no disaster for Othello, Romeo, Pericles of Tyre, Laon and Cythna, if it were only agreed to let sleeping dogs lie, and mind one's own business. In real life, we have seen in our own times Oscar Wilde, Sir Charles Dilke, Parnell, Canon Aitken and countless others, many of them engaged in first-rate work for the world, all wasted because the mob must make believe to be "moral". This phrase abolishes the Eleventh Commandment, Not to be Found Out, by authorizing Incest, Adultery, and Paederasty, which every one now practices with humiliating precautions, which perpetuate the schoolboy's enjoyment of an escapade, and make shame, slyness, cowardice and hypocrisy the conditions of success in life. (snip) | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 04-2006 |
According to Herr Meier, the 2000 elections were a fraud.Countless computer votes got lost in many states,due to a conspiracy to give Mr Bush a "little advantage". What an unjustice that this brilliant man did not won.The world would be a better place right now. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 252 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Hector! Not all of them were "countless". The Plejaren certainly counted SOME of them! Contact 367, 9 September 2004 (also Special bulletin #21, August 2005) www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/s15/katastrophenwahl-usa.htm "Bereits bei der ersten betrügerischen Wahl vor vier Jahren wurde dafür gesorgt, dass in diversen bushfreundlichen Staaten Amerikas rund 400000 gefälschte Wahlstimmen in den Computern erhalten geblieben sind, die bei der neuen Wahl, die einer Farce entsprechen wird, zugunsten Bushs Verwendung finden werden, und zwar unter den Augen der internationalen Wahlbeobachter, die genarrt werden. Insbesondere werden in diesen Wahlbetrug die Staaten Florida und Ohio verwickelt sein." - Billy Already, in the first deceptive election four years ago, care was taken that, in diverse Bush-friendly American states, around 400,000 falsified votes remained stored in the computers, which, in the new election which would correspond to a farce, would be utilized to the advantage of Bush, and even under the eyes of the international observers of the election, who would be fooled. The states of Florida and Ohio would especially be embroiled in this election fraud. (unofficial translation by Dyson & Vivienne) OK, you USAmericans. Don't just sit there. DO something about it! Salome, Dyson | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Dyson, Both of the links in your post #244 did not work. I am really interested in "forcible forcelessness". Is it under your main index? How can I navigate to it within your website without typing it in, since that doesn't seem to work for some strange reason? | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2006 |
Debbie Foch,of Disclosure Project,told me that 13 plus years ago they were given funding by the rockefellers.Thats all for now Pudd salome. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 852 Registered: 02-2000 |
Pudd, According to Greer in his new book the funding was diverted somewhere else the DP never recieved it. My Website | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Dyson et. all By writing in this forum we are beginning to sow the seeds of peace by education/meditation and concentrated focus. The truth that has no opposite is what we must focus on. By focusing on all the negative, lying, cheating politicians, we become just like them... negative and dishonest not playing by the rules. If, however, we strive to educate the public about what is happening by predicting certain future events, using careful thought and therby preventing war, with focused, concentrated effort, wasteful loss of human life and suffereing that war brings about will be eliminated. Different groups of people intent on destroying the Americans and other countries of the world calibrate at different consciousness levels, totally definable by the science of Kenesthesiology. Since different people calibrate at different levels educating them at a higher level will only "go over their heads" and they will continue senseless violence, hatred and radicalism. Billy Meier, has been instrumental in educating us, and has indicated, in the last bullitin #56 from FIGU, we need sages to bring the world up to speed. He has also said, we should not solely listen to him, but to think for ourselves, which is excellent advice. In the human body is the sympathetic and para sympathetic autonomic nervous system, which reacts the same way as our interaction with Billy. We get the information and then we decide what to do with it. If the stove is hot, pull your finger away, quickly... Translated by the Gaiaguys: http://://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.56.ratgeber.htm Swiss Bulletin from FIGU.org: http://www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/56/ratgeber.htm The way to enforce peace is a delicate one, considering man is at war 97% of the time according to "our" history. Carrying two pearl handled pistols and a couple of monkeys will not get us through the front door of that house, which has our "housekeeper" inside, but one which is white and we cannot visit. We have the information and now we have to educate the public, some of whom are at lower levels than ourselves. Marquis of Queesnbury rules do not apply in the dark alley of a large metropolis and if you try to use them on those of lower energy levels you will get your head knocked off. So how do we do this? Well... not being well versed in world deplomacy and not political by any stretch of the imagination... Not by going down to their level creating wars, killing the infidels etc... but by slowly, thoughfully, honestly, confronting the individuals involved and showing them how to live peacefully in total harmony with one another. We are together... part of the Universe... a "one song" or verse and the more we try and resonate together on this, the more we learn and grow. One way to resonate together is to realize we are all on the same boat here, and just because we live in America does not make it any easier to solve this situation. War is not the way. Not that you were saying that it was... but it is very easy for you to be on a very distant continent and asking us how to solve all the worlds problems in a nutshell or a doves nest and quickly come up with a estute solution the needs of multinational corporations not outstanding... Not quite that simple. Our fearless leader, you-know-who, probably does the same thing, with his advisors and "multinational sages" sitting around in air conditioned rooms, riding limos all day, telling other people to solve the worlds' problems. When the decsion is made, the armies armies deployed, it's back to eating pretzels and watching sitcoms. In the meantime, our children or our childrens children lie in desert wastelands protecting what... Sitcoms and commercials? It is not the correct way. By the people, for the people. Being of higher resonance, in vibrational harmony with spirit, we do not have to say a word... The power of the Universe is in congruence with those who flow with it. Go against it and you are fighting nature and... let me tell you, Nature is going to win, everytime. Tschüs... rarena ô¿ô Saalome gam naan uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 02-2006 |
Norm, I think we should take a closer look at disclosure.First the recent challenge issued by Dr Michael Salla to debate some issues.Like suppression of certain testimonies,that don't appear to jive with Greers conclusions.Philip Corso's material also resisted by Greer.Could this be why Greer wants nothing to do with the Meier case,let's take a look.Salome Pudd | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 256 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Randy, I'm a little confused by your post. "By focusing on all the negative, lying, cheating politicians, we become just like them... negative and dishonest not playing by the rules." How can we educate ourselves without first, " ... focusing on all the negative, lying, cheating politicians ..."? And why would that mean that, "... we (would then) become just like them... negative and dishonest not playing by the rules." I have heard this line of "reasoning" so many times, and I do not think that it is true, but rather an excuse for inaction. OM 32:2414. "Words are like leaves; acts are like fruit." "... just because we live in America does not make it any easier to solve this situation." How, exactly, are us non-US citizens supposed to vote Bush&Co. out of office? Thanks. Salome, Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 257 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Sonik_01, D'oh! Sorry about that! Should have been: www.gaiaguys.net/ET-ETHICS.htm & www.tjresearch.info/denial.htm Search this site (not mine) for "forcelessness" and there's some stuff in And Still They Fly, too. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 12-2005 |
Hector(PostNo.38): You say: "Of course we guarantee you that Billy has an answer for all of them as had Mohammed ,Jesus (Jmmanuel),Elijah,Jeremiah in the past.Should Billy not answer due to agenda problems,we will do that with pleasure.It`s up to you,if you´ll find them helpful or not." Perhaps you will be willing to assist me with some questions also, from your recent posting one would certainly have to guess that you have the answers: What is the irreducible(and therefore undeniable) philosophical derivation for the existence of Creation(a conscious, evolving being that gives existence to this universe(a cosmological domain))? What is the irreducible philosophical derivation for the existence of a Spirit(and the related process of reincarnation), a spirit defined as a being, evolving, conscious(has its own separate consciousness from that of man) and immortal, of spiritual energy, that resides in the brain of every human and that gives rise to his awareness and all related mental faculties? A full answer is not essential, even a pointer in the right direction would suffice. Thanks in advance, Kiril | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 223 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum G'day everyone, I was wondering how old this s**t has been running around the net for. http://www.bvalphaserver.com/ftopict-55456.html | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 224 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear dyson G'day dyson how are you doing? I've had this strange dream last night and you were in it. I don't know whether its a warning sign for something to come or whether its just one of those things that happens. Did you by any chance have had anything to do with fastening a coat hanger or a hook on the wall. What about a larged rimmed old bicycle with thin worn tyres that is still useable? Were you urgently rushing to go somewhere to meet up with something or someone because of a call or a news? Were you thinking about finding someone in the future to pass on your task? Anyway as strange as it may, I had to get it off my chest Be well friend | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 04-2006 |
Dear Kiril i think you expect too much from me I was just lending a hand to every person who came new to this forum,but do not suppose i am as wise as Billy,i have lots to learn. Your questions are top-class,and my present level of understanding does not allow me to answer you correctly to that.If i did i would probably set you astray.Look,i`m waiting for Billy to answer me the following question: Dear Billy, I`ve recently been reading about hinduism.They have two concepts called Brahman and Atman that seem to be very similar to our concept of Creation and Spirit.My question is,are these hindi concepts close to the truth?Are they a close aproximation, i mean did the hindi a better effort than Christians to describe what`s going on in the universe? There i`m asking Billy if any cult on earth has a similar concept to creation and spirit,and i assume the hindi have the best representation to date. I haven`t read Billy`s books,specially those related to spiritual teachings like OM,therefore i have no authority to describe spirit and creation. As far as i understand it,the plejaren don`t know themselves the origins of creation.I advice you to read michael horns site were this excerpt has been taken: 1. Creation is the immeasurable mystery suspended in immeasurable expanse.(nice way to begin..) http://www.theyfly.com/spiritual/creation/creation.htm Related to spirit: http://www.figu.org/us/spiritual_teaching/introduction.htm My very personal point of view related to spirit:I think creation and the material universe is fractal and cyclical,that means there is a macrocosmos in a microcosmos and vice versa,atoms and galaxies are very similar in their conception shape and patterns,and they exist in cycles,like Creation.Just like an organic body could be the sum of millions of living cells,creation supposedly needs trillions of spirit energies disseminated through the universe to evolve and to be aware of itself.To be a spiritual being gives you the opportunity to try to understand creation,use its powers,evolve with it,share your knowledge and have no limits regarding creation,because a tiny piece of it lives inside of you.Other creatures do not have such opportunities.That is why it is very important to recognize the truth of reincarnation.We as humans have immense privileges which have not been given to others. Hoping i`ve been helpful to you, Regards | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 857 Registered: 02-2000 |
Dyson, The elections are Fixed. How are we supposted to stop it? My Website | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Dyson ET all, My friend, you are already very well educated it is obvious. Don’t let it go to your head though… As to others not so well endowed... those who, we must: "sage" advice too... without the "August" references... focus on someone pure of heart, focused of intellect and most importantly well versed in the nature of spirit, The Creational. There are maybe 14 people on Earth who have this ability, focus on them, not the negative, lying, cheating, bent on destruction, piddly little egoists, whose goal is "what's in it for me" and their mantra is... "what will they think..." When you focus on something, and if what you focus on grows... then what you think about all day long HAS to grow for you, it is the law of cause and effect. Someone may say: "How can you be so smug when all these bad and terrible things are happening in the world." No amount of your feeling bad, will help one person in the world, and if it did... go ahead and feel bad. But the truth is, it is your thoughts, your perceptions that count. The same goes for the poor, no amount of my feeling bad for the poor will help them in any way. Although by education and the correct perception of their situation as being a learning process, to grow from, rather then to feel rejected about or somehow inferior to another. The same goes for health, no amount of focusing on sickness will make one person well... We are organic (organized) beings with extraordinary temples (our bodies) that heal without the use of a doctor. There is no scab doctor who puts a scab on our wound. We may however, via diet or dangerous activities temporarily disturb our body yet it will rebuild itself and heal. We heal. There is no them... only us. We are all equal, not just an American saying... but a Universal truth. No person is greater or lesser than another. Hence, free will. True nobility is not being better than anybody else, it is only being better than you used to be. Some may be wiser and of higher consciousness than many, but those people may be more or less well versed in areas we know nothing about, or CAN know about. For example the Petale... When you look into the eyes of someone such as Billy Meier... you see peace, velvet smooth thoughtfulness with no hatred or malice what-so-ever in their eyes. Though he may be surrounded by hatred, rest assured... it is not what he focuses on. What he may focus on, however... is our journey to peace, not war... and probably more so on our eventual journey to spirit and the total lack of need to reincarnate again and again because... then, he can advance spiritually as well. As you know, Billy has vowed to be the last to leave the "incarnate (in-meat) cycle" behind us... Compassion for others. Just like that terrible day on the cross... when his arms and legs were being nailed onto an elderberry branch... for whom did he think? He thought of others... "Forgive them, for they know not what they do..." True nobility... What spiritual consciousness, what compassion. If, it is true that we are all equal, then, would you ask someone with that gaze... to go and fight against... anything... except blind ignorance... Contemplating the "rightness" of politicians as being our "leaders" is not a wise direction in which to focus. When you focus on people who are interested in truth, then, the truth HAS to grow for you. Voting for our politicians is not very effective as the "hanging chad" incident so obviously proves. Putting stock in those that lie, will separate you from your stock quicker than you can say, Arthur Anderson... The other alternatives are what has happened in our past history.... which made us, U.S.. As to the US and it's government, it will be at least 760 years before we smarten up. When that "Eagle" learns to fly right rather than concern itself with being right. Democracy may not be the best government in the world, either. The best government is probably an oligarchy, the government the native American Indians used in ancient times. It is a government where a group of sages and wise men lead with no material or financial gain, those that have made their way in the world and can now lead others by example, rather than greed. Also, you know that Bush will be voted out this time because, by law... you can only have a maximum of two terms of four years each, thanks to the higher consciousness individuals who signed the Declaration of Independence from England, George the first and now George the second. Ummm, it seems as if history repeats itself. And it does... until we learn from it. The bigger picture, is to focus on the Universe and forget the petty need to be right about borders or ideals. Atomic weapons will not affect the Plejaren but our other planets will be right in the path of any Earthly nuclear event. Remember Malona and the asteroid belt?... Our next great and real leader may be living in Australia, or in some small community like Switzerland... The people to focus on, are people like yourself... people who know the truth and are willing to pass it on. Speaking of the American Indians, they had an excellent saying... No tree, is so foolish as to fight among it's branches... and we are all branches on a tree called humanity... Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Saalome gam naan uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. PS> It is not about how much you have or what you do that matters… but rather, what kind of energy and friends you attract into your life... PPS> If you want peace… Be It. Ja Wohl (Well being) | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 02-2006 |
Matthew_ajy_b::  nce again I will thank you for your time,,,such compelling and complete posts.I will take some time now and digest;;apply my logic,so on.. Exsplosive posts indeed///members hear I assure you will also.Since my thirst for knowledge is like a blast of good sugar,,,I have one question tonight Matthew__b///What religion,,in your opinion,is the closest to the real deal, if you will,in it's accuracies.Salome Pudd | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 261 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, I usually try to attend to my personal correspondence before I check back here, so I replied to Randy's above posting as such first, since he sent it privately (as the most recent in a series of privale messages lately) so I'm please to see that he also pasted it in here to share. I'll do the same with my response now for everybody's info. gaiaguys.net" <gaiaguys@gaiaguys.net> Date:Saturday, 10 June 2006 12:49 PM To: <randyarena@yahoo.com> Subject: re: Focus... Attachments: (none) HTML | Plain Text | Header | Raw Content Dear Randy, At the risk of sounding like your mother, "HAVE YOU DONE YOUR HOMEWORK!?!?" I think you are positively degenerating, Randy, and it is my Creational duty to warn you. You are starting to write like a religious leader like Greer! :-/ Get real. Have you read - and I mean REALLY read and UNDERSTOOD the Talmud Jmmanuel? ... TJ11:27. But at this time Jmmanuel began to speak, "Praise be to Creation, maker of the heavens, the universes and the Earth, for keeping the knowledge and power of the spirit hidden from the unwise and the misguided, who spread the false teachings, and for revealing this knowledge to sincere seekers now." 14:22 "The people are still not very great in their spirit, consciousness and knowledge. Therefore, they must first take upon themselves much guilt and error before they learn thereby to accumulate knowledge and wisdom, so as to recognize the truth." 15:16-19. "As yet humans have little knowledge and no insight, and they are not yet conscious of the laws of Creation and the power of the spirit. First, humans must learn to recognize the truth and thus to live according to the laws of Creation, so they may become knowledgeable and strong in spirit. For to those who have, more will be given so they may have in abundance; but from those who have not, from them will be taken what they have. Therefore, I speak to them in parables, because with seeing eyes they do not see, and with hearing ears they do not hear; nor do they understand." This is how I operate. See also www.tjresearch.info/denial.htm 16:44. "Never doubt the power of your spirit, which is a part of Creation itself and therefore knows no limits of power." 23:27. "Therefore, other peoples will be superior to you in spirit and in consciousness and gather great wisdom, so that many among them will soon be like the prophets and have recollections about their former lives." 24:10-14. "And don't let anyone call you teacher until you follow the laws of Creation yourselves, because those who allow themselves to be called master and teacher but do not possess the wisdom of knowledge will be denounced as liars. For those who unjustly exalt themselves will be abased, and those who unjustly abase themselves will be disdained.Let those who are great in consciousness consider themselves great, and those who are small in consciousness consider themselves small and those who are in between in consciousness consider themselves in between. It is unwise and foolish for people to let others consider them greater or smaller than they really are." "As to the US and it's government, it will be at least 760 years before we smarten up." What - in the name of all that is ordered on this god-forsaken planet - gives you the insane idea, Randy, that we are going to GET another 760 YEARS, much less 760 DAYS? The planet will kill us all long before then at the rate we're going now! "There is no them... only us. We are all equal, not just an American saying... but a Universal truth. No person is greater or lesser than another. Hence, free will." [These last two statements constitute a non sequitur.] "True nobility is not being better than anybody else, it is only being better than you used to be." It seems to me that you have fallen victim to the false religious teaching that, because we are all one in spirit, we are also somehow all one in consciousness. NOTHING could be further from the truth, and believing otherwise is largely the cause of our plausible impending doom. "If, it is true that we are all equal, then, would you ask someone with that gaze... to go and fight against... anything... except blind ignorance... Though he may be surrounded by hatred, rest assured...it is not what he focuses on." 5:44,45 "However, I say to you: Practice love and understanding according to the natural laws of Creation, so that through logic you find the right action and perception. Offer your love where it is warranted, and despise where the law of nature demands it." (Please see www.gaiaguys.net/Humandoesnotknowlove.htm) "Democracy may not be the best government in the world, either. The best government is probably an oligarchy, the government the native American Indians used in ancient times." Crap. Democracy is the ONLY way to go for universal human justice. We need ADVISORS, not RULERS! Even the Supreme Council of Andromeda VOTES, and the majority rules. "Atomic weapons will not affect the Plejaren" Crap! Sez who? "If you want peace. Be It." I do not want peace first. FIRST, I want JUSTICE FIRST, because without justice there can be NO PEACE! 10:43-46. "Do not think that I have come to bring peace on Earth. Truly, I have not come to bring peace, but the sword of knowledge about the power of the spirit, which dwells within the human being. For I have come to bring wisdom and knowledge and to provoke mankind: son against his father, daughter against her mother, daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, servant against master, citizen against government and believer against preacher. The people's enemies will be their own housemates." "It is not about how much you have or what you do that matters. but rather, what kind of energy and friends you attract into your life..." I don't know if you have noticed this or not yet Randy, but I am NOT here to win any popularity contests. Do you understand me? "Ja Wohl (Well being)" This means yes fully (yes indeed) not well being. Frankly, I do not have time for private emails of this nature which rightly belong on the FIGU list so that others can learn from them. I already get very little sleep and every minute dealing with private matters takes one more minute away from the desperately needed English language translations. OK? Don't worry about my ego. I'm on top of the situation. Feel free to post this private dialog, (and the previous ones this week) in full on FIGU if you want to. "No tree, is so foolish as to fight among it's branches..." You know very little of the grow habit of trees in the wild, Randy, where their branches often rub against each other and thus damage each other. Learn the Creational Laws from the observation of nature. There is a lot of positively degenerated myth about the Indigenous Americans because they were often head and shoulders above their genocidal christian invaders/occupiers. They were often unbelievably blood-thirsty barbarians. Read REAL U.S. history, but from somewhere other than the USA libraries, which have been made pretty with attractive BULLSHIT. And good luck on your long journey. (Avoid drugs, OK?) Peace in love/wisdom, Dyson P.S. "Billy has vowed to be the last to leave the "incarnate (in-meat) cycle" behind us..." WHAAAAT?! Where did you get THIS crazy idea? Hinduism? ####################################### Dear Norm, Yes, with rigged elections,it's tricky! We have the some problem here in Australia, but I think once more people KNEW that they were being duped, the sheer force of numbers would win. Salome, Dyson | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hi Norm, Thanks for your replies to my Qs. I have visited your site but didn't sign in, can you maybe explain what is the difference in your site to what we already know through the forum here? Lots of Good luck to you! OH, did you actually read all the books you have for sale? I only have # 3, in the series of the "Messages from the Pleiadies", and would like to know what is the content in the others. Thanks, | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 10-2005 |
hello everyone, i'm back. i've been neglecting the computer for a while just for the heck of it. anyway it fels good to be back. for the next two days, i'm just gonna read through topics and posts to see what i missed. have a good day everyone. Hi Isabella, Have you made contact with your father, he has been trying to contact you through this forum? Scott Salome and love to all, Isabella Coca | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 225 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum Could it be possible that the DP was actually set up by the global elite as a counter measure to the growing awareness by the regular citizen's of the realities of UFO due to many many sightings of various crafts not to mention the breathtaking advancement of communication across the globe through various forms of it that it wasn't a question of if but when for the citizens to find out about the ET phenomenon. On top of this, seeing as many secret agencies from many different countries were involved in monitoring billy since he broke the news world wide, couldn't there have been some collective agreement made regarding billy that the inevitable outcome would happen eventually and that something had to be done -assasination attempt, DDT, dissemination of false information (project serpo, animal mutilation, human microchipping, hoaxed abductions etc) and seeing as none of them worked, the DP is a culmination of everything that had failed in the past and its the last resort by them to stay ahead of the game thus still being able to maintain some level of control of the level of ignorance and apathy by the masses? | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 10-2005 |
hi scott, my father, really?! did he post on this site?! what topic and page if so? thanks. Hi Isabella, Here is his message: Hello dear Isabella, I never thought you could be so smart to realise the beauty into your speach. Speaking of beauty, who is better than you, my dear daughter? Hope your trip to Boston will get you exited, and get me an email. I still live in Revere, 192 Shirley Avenue, a computer repair shop. I am doing O.K. by my self, very much missing you. I hope to hear from you as soon as you can. Forever loving you, Your dad, Gica gcoca0364@yahoo.com Please continue your diaglouge with him through e-mail, thank you...good luck Regards Scott Salome and love to all, Isabella Coca | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 12-2005 |
Hector(PostNo.48): As far as i understand it,the plejaren don`t know themselves the origins of creation.I advice you to read michael horns site were this excerpt has been taken:... I don't seek a scientific description(let alone one of Creations geneses), wether it is qualitative or quantitative in nature(or both) - rather, I wish to derive its existence from sense perception(observing nature) and the logical deliberation on that 'data' - that is how I use the word philosophical in my post. Furthermore, my aim is to derive its existence in such a way that there can be no doubt left to linger. Therefore, by irreducible I mean the self evident or axiomatic(much like the law of causality) - a principle or rule(of nature) that cannot be 'reduced'-to or derived-by any underlying explanatory principle(s) -- thus any such concepts(or concepts derived on this base) are undeniable, that is of course, to any man capable and willing to observe reality( having the ability to discover and/or validate). I am certain, if the Plejaren actually exist, that they would hold such a proof. Regards, Kiril | ||
Der_beobachter Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 05-2003 |
Matthew_ajy_b  THIS SYMBOL,IN TRUTH, MEANS = LIFE IN THE LIGHT  THIS SYMBOL,IN TRUTH, MEANS = LIFE- DARK LIFE - LIFE IN DARNESS For some time now I have been reading your postings here at Figu Discussion Board. I do not want to interfere in anything here, I do not know WHO you are either. But I could not help it.. my tongue IS BURNING here and I have not knots on my tongue Matthew_ajy_b. I am SINCERE to say to you here in FULL LETTERS that your CHEAP PHILOSOPHY is a PHILOSOPHY OF BALL-ROOMS, and the know-it-allnessess of your postings ONLY demonstrates that you are COMPLETELY unaware of Billy Meier´s Mission on Earth and it CLEARLY demonstrates that you have never read anything ever written by Herr Billy Meier, accordingly to the REAL CREATIONAL LAWS and accordingly to the Teachings which are given by the Plejaren. Your cheap philosophy and the way you expose things here only gives US proof everything you write here is based ON lies on Fairy tales Matthew_ajy_b For some time now I have been reading your postings here at Figu Discussion Board. I do not want to interfere in anything, I do not know WHO you are But I could not help.. my tongue IS BURNING here Matthew_ajy_b. I am SINCERE to say to you here in FULL LETTER that your CHEAP PHILOSOPHY a PHILOSOPHY OF BALL-ROOMS, and know-it-allnessess of your postings ONLY demonstrates that you are COMPLETELY unaware of Billy Meier´s Mission on Earth and it CLEARLY demonstrates you never read anything ever written by Herr Billy Meier, accordingly to REAL CREATIONAL LAWS and accordingly to the Teachings which are given by the Plejaren. Your cheap philosophy and the way way yoy expose things here only gives US proof everything you write here is based ON lies I am sorry to say this to you Matthew_ajy_b BUT it is true. One day you will understand...try to learn german language urgently.. read the OFFICIAL german language books from FIGU you are mislead or else.. you are MISLEADING readers here. Not me Matthew_ajy_b not me... JB I am sorry to say this to you Matthew_ajy_b BUT it is true. One day you will understand it...try to learn german language urgently, the minimum possible, in order to read the original german language books, booklets, and many texts from FIGU You are a misleaded person or else.. you yourself are MISLEADING readers here. Not me Matthew_ajy_b not me.. you met the wrong guy here Matthew_ajy_b you will never mislead this guy here. Do your homework and learn the TRUE LESSONS a little bit better than this Matthew_ajy_b "Lernen, ohne zu denken, ist eitel; denken, ohne zu lernen, ist gefährlich..." "Learning without thinking is vain. Thinking without learning is dangerous..." Confucius  "Who will not comprehend the truth with his understanding, but only with his belief, cannot harvest the fruit from it." Wer die Wahrtheit nicht mit seinem Verstande, sondern mit Glauben erfassen will, der kann die Früchte aus ihr nicht ernten. - OM 53:26. http://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.symbole.htm Note by DBE: These symbols here above were taken from: Symbole der Geisteslehre aus den Speicherbänken von Nokodemion und Henok A Selection of 601 Spirit Teachings Symbols from a Storage bank Inventory of Several Million Symbols. BY BILLY MEIER - FIGU http://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.symbole.htm Nothing to do with hate,wars, and crazy warmongers. Der Beobachter Edelweiß _________________________________________________ "Lernen, ohne zu denken, ist eitel; denken, ohne zu lernen, ist gefährlich..." "Learning without thinking is vain. Thinking without learning is dangerous..." | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 860 Registered: 02-2000 |
Melli, I only created that site for fun. It was a free page to create a site & since its Figu related I included it in my sig. There's no way to explain whats in all 4 volumes on this forum. All I can say is its Stevens version of the Contact Notes. My Website | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 266 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends and enemies, Billy and his friends have taught us that we can understand the immutable laws of Creation by observing nature. I have been very blessed to be able to observe Mother Nature (if you will) up close and personal here in the beautiful Australian bush for the last 29 years, (and it’s also given me a LOT of time to learn as much as I can about as many different disciplines as I could). I have seen an entire valley suddenly empty of all its huge mobs of kangaroos and wallabies as soon as one dingo comes on the scene. I have similarly seen a small bush shack, which is usually ALIVE with cute little furry nocturnal marsupials, utterly EMPTY when a deadly Tiger Snake silently slithers its way in. For the last several months I’ve spent a lot of my precious time here on this discussion board in the full knowledge that the clock was ticking, and my time here was very limited. I knew the predators would find their defenseless prey here eventually, and all I could do was try my very best to equip them in the best way I could for this unequal contest in the time I had. Like they say, you have to know when to hold ‘em, and know when to fold ‘em. So now I’ll turn back to the articles and English language translations and I won’t be sticking around to watch the carnage unfolding here. Special thanks to my dear brother der Beobachter for his temperance and his faithful sword of truth, and to everyone here I wish you all the love/wisdom that you can gather for the coming ordeals that await us all. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Dyson and Jose: "To insignificance, silence is the best answer..." => and keep doing your excellent work!!! B.T.W. Dyson I can`t wait for your translation about "truth on Israel". When will we have it? To all the know-it-alls: Instead of writing long emails, start doing the concentration exercise, as posted by Jacob on this site. Do it every day. Clear you psyche, and make peace within yourself. Your ideas and thought will become clearer. You will also become more attentive, less agressive, more constructive. Start by knowing yourself first, become aware of your spirit that enlivens you. It will start a process that will never stop in this life and next ones. Peace, Salome Eric | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Matthew_ajy_b, I don’t like long posts, because mostly only a couple of lines are usually of importants, keeping that in mind… Regarding your quote ”that one assumes new information 'true by default' before one can prove it false, not the other way around.” You see one point to understand most conspiracy theories cannot be proven, that’s why I stopped reading them a while ago. Like some one once told me “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence” which some how relates to your quote. So if I was to say you’re a disinformer an agent or a mad man, will you be able to prove otherwise?? So its hard to imagine that anything said should be labelled as true or false… (at first) Lets just say since you are “not proving” your points therefore its (not true), and by us not being able to prove you wrong makes it (not false)… Plus you still didn’t answer who do you look up to for sources? books, internet, a terrestrial human or ET’s? And one more thing which of Billys sources have you read, because you seem more knowledgable in conspiracy theories then the mission or the teachings… Regards, Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 04-2006 |
Scott: "Has anyone heard of the story of an extraterrestrial named Gilgamesh? From my understanding he was part of the Old Sumerians, a group that also belonged to the old Lyrians. Supposedly he actually came to earth a long time before the old Sumerian days. His spacecraft crashed somewhere in the Himalayas roughly 20,000 years ago. His real lifespan is apparently approximately 100,000 years. He came from a planet that produces heavy water, and this heavy water is as vital to them as H20 is vital to us. We also live on water, but ours is not heavy, just regular water. Because he has not had this heavy water for thousands of years, his lifespan now is limited to 50,000 years instead of 100,000. He is supposedly still able to live for another 25,000 years. The last he was heard of he was at a plant that produces nuclear objects where heavy water was available. This plant was in the southern portion of the US. Originally he was a giant in height approximately 10.5 ft- 15 ft. Through his mastery of different sciences, he was able to make his body shrink, reducing his height by at least 50%, so he is now only 6’ 2”. With this new height he wouldn’t even stand out today because we have a lot of people who are about 6’ 5”- 6’ 7” tall." http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/2028.html#POST3343 Scott, this is amazing. Then Gilgamesh must be the third most spiritually evolved person on the planet today then. The first two would be Billy, then the second prophet. I would love hear more info about Gilgamesh. Do you or anyone else here know of any more info about this amazing person that I could hear about? Hi Matt, There is some information on the German Discussion Forum about Gilgamesh. After he and 4 other crew members crashed in the Himilayas they stayed there for approximately 1000 years. After this point all 4 of the crew passed away except Gilgamesh. You have to understand that the age of a spirit form does not necessarily reflect on its level of spiritual evolution. A spirit form can be idle in the fine matter world for millions or billions of years before it incarnates again to continue it's evolution. Spiritual evolution is a conscious process and is only acheived when the spirit is incarnated into a physical body. Hope this helps. BTW, there are spirit forms alive now who have achieved the level of Semi-JHWH and JHWH, but are dealing with current earth problems just as the rest of us are Regards Scott | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 01-2006 |
Gaiaguysnet "Dear friends and enemies, For the last several months I’ve spent a lot of my precious time here on this discussion board in the full knowledge that the clock was ticking, and my time here was very limited. I knew the predators would find their defenseless prey here eventually, and all I could do was try my very best to equip them in the best way I could for this unequal contest in the time I had. Like they say, you have to know when to hold ‘em, and know when to fold ‘em." ???!!! Dyson, this doesn't mean what I think it means, does it?? I surely hope not! Dyson I've thoroughly enjoyed and always look forward to reading all of your posts because of how I've gained more knowledge from reading your posts more then any other member here. I know its not very nice for anyone to be talking about which forum member they think contributes the most knowledge of anyone here, because in truth I know everyone does, but thats how I feel about that there. Dyson, just ignore what that Matthew_ajy_b (freemason?) comment deleted is saying, because I'm sure that everyone else here soon will too, now that they know all he speaks is pure nonsense and utter crap. Dyson, please don't leave this forum just because of him, because if you do go, well in my opinion it would be this forums greatest loss!! Dyson I know how much you loathe those kind of people after what you have been through so far, but please don't go because I'm sure it would be a great loss to all of us truthseekers here!! | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Dyson, I think of you as a brother, not a mother. Please do not post my personal email address as previously in this thread. Most of the Plejaren left in 1996 and live on ERRA which is just a fraction of a second different than our time, and because of that, they will not be affected by the atomic weapons dentonated in our time. Those left behind, though and it is my understanding there are... They will be affected by Atomic Weapons. But we may not use them. We may get out of this alive, if we learn how to do it with non violence, peaceful intentions and in touch with spirit. Remember Asket in Feb 1953, she said that every 33 years she will arrive again, many years apart from when we live. So time jumps for off planet folks may be another way of escaping Nuclear weapons. As to doom and gloom, stories like the John Titer book, could not read as it has not come true. Some people live in constant fear. Kerr Singularities are factual and that paper is excellent describing mini black holes. Einstein always asked: do you live in a hostile or friendly Universe to find out where someones head was at... What you think about the Universe is really what you think about yourself. References to reincarnation appear to be mentioned in the Talmud Jmmanuel (TJ). In almost the same area as Matthew 11:17 (or close) and in TJ ll:24 When John is mentioned as Elisah. Also (TJ) 32:11 would like to know what you think. Do not want to post protected material. You respect the Plejaren right? Respect those who teach by example? The American Indian example, "No tree is so foolish as to fight amongst it's branches" and we are all branchs on a tree called humanity. Teaching by example, a powerful learning experience... The wedding crashers... Non sequitur, glad you enjoyed it. Always try to add a little humor especially when it involves liars or should I say; lawyers... It's a lawyer joke. To be or not to be, that is the question, most people remember that, yet, what comes later in the play Hamlet is actually more profound and it works on lawyers...whether 'tis nobler to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take arms against a sea of troubles, and thus by opposing, end them... In other words, though, Shakspeares' are quite eleoquent, you can stand there and let them sling mud on you, and do nothing about it, or, you can stand up for yourself and end the sea of troubles. Backbone, conviction and perserverance. If there is anything incorrect with any of my forum entries; please, let me know, would appreciate not having my personal email broadcast all over the internet, though, thanks bud. As to me pasteing your entries and email in this forum am not aware that I did... As to me being like Greer, well that may be, have never heard of him nor read his book. Hope he was a good man, but if not, no offense taken. The reference to 762 years was given by the group of ET's (other than Plejarin, who we've run off as well) who went to our government leaders and wanted to make contact, but all the lieing and typical "political realities" and not paying attention to reality realities... Political Science, kind of like Jumbo Shrimp, an oxymoron. Thinking you are going to die, and live only a short time, like your reference to 760 DAYS!!!! is a form of scarcity consciousness and is a very low and slow energy. Fear is an illusion. 9/11 was all about fear. Making people scared to put a peace sign in their car to show where they stand. Fear = Control. Let go, relax, we are all friends here, maybe sometimes misinformed, but still friends... okay? Can't we all just get along... Rodney King Oligarchy is a form of government that has several ADVISORS not interested in money or any personal gain from their advice. Democracy is the best in use today you are right. The need to be right is the cause of most wars. Don't let the turkeys get you down... As to drugs, I don't take them, not even asprin since is kills stomach flora like all NSAIDs... Non Steroidal AntIflamatory Drugs. As to ego, keep it in check... Will continue to do my homework. be well... Thanks for the info... Tschüs... rarena ô¿ô Saalome gam naan uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. PS> It is not about how much you have or what you do or think, that matters but rather... what kind of energy and friends you attract into your life... This is an attractive Universe, there is no such thing as unattractive. Der Luft Der Freiheit Weht. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 226 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Dyson Just in case you haven't received my email Dyson, I concur with Norm who speaks for everyone here. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dyson, Matthew ??_?? wasn't doing a global detour searching for you, was he? I am surprised that the moderator took the step he did and I thought of it myself, but then I also thought that everbody can express their opinions, and me suggesting the action taken would have brought a barage of sensorship issues into the postings. Persoanlly I think it is advantagous beneficial and Peaceful for all that the posts here stay True to the nature of this forum because it is so unique. | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 04-2006 |
I emailed Dyson asking him why his deciding to stop posting here, as well as asking him not to leave too, and this is what he said. Dear Matt! Thank you very much for your kind and touching words. I have so much other work I want to do and I simply cannot find enough hours in the day and night to do them all. That's my problem. Something had to go, and when that spook arrived ("Matthew-ajy-b") on 6/6/06 (our time) I figured that was as good a time as any to piss off, since there was no way that I could spend the time trying to correct all the comment deleted he was spouting. Of all the garbage he had for us there, I thought this one was the best: "The Australian government uses swasikas (sic) in parks, parades, and other public locations and events." "Matthew_ajy_b", June 10th, 2006, FIGU's Discussion Board Politics & Governments. He is such a CLASSIC example of how it works, I'm thinking of doing a little something with it on the website! But first I have to figure out how to make the Earth have 50 hr. days! Actually, Vivienne is making some sounds about maybe starting to contribute to the FIGU list. She's much nicer than me. Give my love to all the listies, Matt, and watch our Meier page for new translations from Arahat Athersata and various other places. Did you see www.gaiaguys.net/disclosureIsrael.htm ? Cheers! Dyson I hope and think that it would be great to see Vivienne starting to contribute here to this forum, but I still think its a sad loss not to see Dyson posting here anymore. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 01-2006 |
"He is such a CLASSIC example of how it works, I'm thinking of doing a little something with it on the website!" So my hunch was right, Matthew-ajy-b is a freemason. No doubt only here to shower everyone with loads of disinformation. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Norm, I sent you an email to storeman3@bellsouth.net inquiring about the T-shirt with Figu Peace symbol but the email returned. Can you let me know here how do I get in touch with you? I would like to say that Dyson leaving us here, is a great loss, and I don't understand why just because a spook has sprung by mistake, it doesn't warrent Dyson quitting on us. I truly hope the wind will blow over, the spook will be prevented from further muddying the truth, and Dyson will return. But until this time, I would greatly appreciate if the moderators here would let us all know when a new translation or any other invaluable information is available from Dyson and Vivienne, so that we won't miss out because as we know his website is so complex. Melli, Please refrain from name calling. Dyson has already commented on why he has left the forum. More than anything else, he doesn't have enough time. His wife may start posting in the near future. Believe me you will hear one way or another when a new translation becomes available. Scott | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 06-2005 |
Scott, Name calling? have I offended somebody by stating the obvious? Why the stern remark? | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 877 Registered: 02-2000 |
Melli Its storman3@bellsouth.net I don't have anymore T-shirts sold out years ago, but you can now but them from Figu Shop. http://shop.figu.org/ My Website | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 01-2004 |
"You are not 'stating the obvious'. You are spreading unfounded rumours about me. I shall not take offence to them since they have degenerated into something so silly, but I would recommend that you not repeat this behaviour with others. It is a way of making enemies with many people, rather than friends. See a friend where it exists, rather than seeking out enemies in a paranoid fashion." oh my, melli called you a spook... speaking about spreading unfounded rumours, take a look at all your posts. i dont see what the big deal is... melli calls you a name on the one hand and you state opinion as fact on the other hand. if you can share your opinions, why cant melli share his/hers? but let's be friends and give you the benefit of the doubt... in which case, what is your definition of respect? what does it mean to respect someone and to respect yourself? i would like to hear your view on that important topic. your opinions are as valuble as any others, so let's share the wealth. perhaps you'll find some time to fit a reply for me between all your as-a-matter-of-fact posts. thanks | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 813 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Folks, If there is going to be any type of interaction please address each other by name so everyone knows who is responding to who. Thanks Scott | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 324 Registered: 06-2000 |
Matthew ; Your posts are getting through now , call Macy's and book a parade , Hurrah . If you are such a friend to humanity , I'll support that , as long as you contribute something , STOP distorting the truth , CONTROL YOURSELF from mixing your suspicious agenda with otherwise informative looking statements . In other words , man, you REEK of some objective that compulsively demands that you dominate this forum board . Always with the posting , oina oina oina ... And now , for the queen of the dance , or the hero of the rescue , Full Recognition where warranted ; but you , Matthew , give new meaning to the currently popular phrase : " It's All About You " . If you were even a small part of wise , you would stop DEFENDING yourself ,quiet the obsession within and live your life ,where you are ,and give up your phantom-mania ( because we can't see you , miraculous one .) Now , since I DON'T litter these forums with long dissertations , pay attention and at least consider my ADVICE . Enjoy your summer . Come back soon , when you are refreshed and clear as how to serve humanity , not merely another volley in your pseudo-intellectual game which we have seen far too much of in others besides you ( unless you are all of them , under a different name ). Otherwise , welcome back to your self created argument of hell which you swim in circles in . Sharks of true intellect will maul you with great finesse and precision ( if they bother with you at all) . It's up to you ; but without realizing it , you reveal yourself as an amateur , when all you wanted was to be impressive . That's ALL from me . I gave you my time and my honesty . Try giving us all a little respect , and respect yourself while you do . It would be impressive if you did . . Truth . and ..... With most people you can sense some kind of regard , or friendship . You sure didn't make any friends here with your box of chocolate-bombs that you dropped on everyone's heads . we're all a very forgiving group . it would be a shame to discover that you are only a one dimensional character with no ability to evolve or accomodate his environment . remember , you came to us . recognize that a few "tigers" have assaulted our normally rich and mutually inspired conversations , but they have all left without a tail to tuck between their legs . Mark Campbell | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 06-2005 |
Calling somebody a Spook is like me saying that Mr. X is working for the CIA or other such secret agency, it's an apparition. I might be wrong but I get the feeling that the invaluable information we were reading from Dyson, was too much for the Spooks to sit quietly and let it be known and because they are keeping track of what is written on this discussion board they had to invent something to derail our progress of learning about the other side of reality. A spook has sprung just to try to keep all of us a little confused for a little longer, because the info. we were reading was too close to the truth for some. I don't know how you all feel about the various opinions Matthew published here, and I am not the best judge because I don't know enough of Billy's teachings but I noticed that amongst the disinformation, there are some grains of truths, in fact all kinds thrown in and stirred for good measure for us to question and never stop asking WHY? This is just my opinion, but when somebody has done absolutely nothing wrong, then there is nothing to fear, 'silence is golden'(Billy is a poignant example, he doesn't try to debunk the debunkers anymore because its pointless) otherwise one must defend oneself with all their might because the ego aspect becomes a very sensitive issue. To be frank, I personally do appreciate when I am told I did wrong, and as much as it is uncomfortable to admit I will accept it because at least I will learn from the experience and be aware. So Matthew ??_ _?? if you still feel upset by the word 'spook' than do what I do: I never stop asking 'WHY'? I always question the answers I receive until my thoughts unite with my feelings and then I hope that I know that I have reached neutral understanding. If I recall correctly, just a few days ago I read that Jacob apologized for letting this "one' slip in...? | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 02-2006 |
...it was in 2005, during his first visit to the town of Visoko, that Osmanagic first noticed the unusually geometrical shape of the hills in the region. He wondered if there might be more to it and undertook some initial work to establish whether this shape was, indeed natural - or not. Once he realised that the symmetrical sides of the hills were aligned to the points of the compass – north, south, east and west... Dear Melli, regarding your post No.110... you can go to: www.bosnianpyramid.com but I think it is more about Sam (Semir Osmanagic) than the pyramids. Anyhow, the world-wide experts (Egyptian geologist Aly Abd Alla Barakat, Lamia el-Hadidi-Conservation Specialist from Egypt and many others) are at the site, so we will see. Once Roberto Salinas Price (www.troya.com.mx/) claimed that "Troy" is at Gabela (not far away from Visoko town). Who knows... Salome, Dejan | ||
Apple New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2006 |
22 June (edited) It would be a wonder if namecalling and unloading on any person should be stopped! It is turning into a mud slinging event! | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 04-2006 |
I'm thinking of buying Michael Horn's new 4 hour DVD at the UFO congress for $49. Has anyone seen it yet? Is it worth getting and is their any new material on it that isn't known by regular people who follow this forum? I only ask because my budget is a bit tight is all. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 507 Registered: 10-2000 |
I know this Horn guy and the DVDs are pretty good, especially since you don't have to look at his bald head all the time because both Wendelle Stevens and Christian Frehener are on it too, and they have, arguably, more hair. I'll bet if you order it from him he'll also send you a free gift if you ask him to. Michael Horn | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 178 Registered: 12-2004 |
Buy it!! There is always something to learn, even if one thinks they know it all! Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 802 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Matthew, Are you familiar with Billy's book "The Meditation"?...When doing a true Meditation, the use of colors is in essence not a true meditation...to the best of my knowledge. You have made reference to the contact notes. Do you read German?...are you referring to the Wendelle Steven's book Messages from the Pleiadies series? Just curious Scott | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 321 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi ajy-b ; Are you employed by the NSA ? Mark Campbell | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 04-2006 |
Then you should give us some advices,the first steps ,how to begin to meditate,to balance mind and body ,according to your own individual results. I have tried to tune my conciousness to receive non-physical information too.(Astral voyages and the like).Got no results.Maybe i forgot to plug in VHF cable.A channeler told me that i had no possibilities.My paranormal senses,6th,7th were unplugged (lol). So tell us about your PERSONAL,INDIVIDUAL experiences about meditation and practices.We dont want encyclopaedia responses or webpages links. As Billy shares HIS nokodemjon knowledge with everybody eager to learn about it,please share YOURS too.(Experiences,memories,not instruction or operation manuals). That should distinguish a spiritual beings from roswell androids. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 326 Registered: 06-2000 |
Exactly , Hector thank you . Also , Wikipedia entries are often submitted by the same people that use them as a "proven" resource later. Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Stephen New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hello PEOPLE... WOW, It's been a while for me...ESP now a daily accurance for me. I can answer my questions about the emotion color visuals: RED = negative, hate, anger. PURPLE = love. YELLOW (newest) = jealousy. WHITE = tension, arousal (non-sexual). BLUES = ( still learning - guessing and relating it to WHITE. My latest visual sighting of et craft was on jan 23 07. Something I thought was pretty cool lately, I envoked spirits into my bedroom from readings out of the Necronomicon!!! Stuff in my room was just violently knocked over!!! | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 284 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Stephen most probably what you saw was caused by yourself, to me you sound like you are confused violet (not the same as purple but similar)is related to false beliefs, low vibrations etc (not that the color itself is negative, but when present in a person´s aura it relates to religious thinking, etc) just as anyone in this world has several diseases and problems through his/her life, one can become sick or confused in the mind in different moments, and so please don´t take it as an attack or something personal (its something that happens to millions and millions around the globe), i think you should seek for some help i´m not cataloging you as a "crazy" person or anything, its just that sometimes like a kid can have cancer before even knowing what is that, it can also happen to any of us that our consciousness becomes confused take care |
