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    Matt Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 04-2006 |
I will take your word for it then, Michael, if you say that the 4 hour UFO conference DVD is pretty good and worth getting. I'll also take you up on that offer you made there of a free gift too. Thanks  | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 232 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum In helena p. blavatsky's book isis unveiled and the secret doctrine, she points to so many things that echoes the knowledge of Creation and even had what she coined 'the great breath' right on cue at 311,04 trillion years. Contrasting the information from blavatsky with billy's is so amazing since she passed away around 50 years before Billy was even born, I would gather that in hindsight her contactees (gizeh intelligences) were laying the foundation for what was to eventuate later on with the coming of Hitler who was influenced by her works. Yet I find it bizzare that Rudolf Steiner was not only a former Theosophical member but also a great supporter of Blavatsky and yet with all his latent abilities to tap into the akashic records, who was admittedly a true contactee of the plejarens, how could he have not foreseen what was to be Blavatsky's lasting legacies in the coming times. I gather any critical voice against them could only have been done so with the benefit of hindsight and rather an easy thing at that but what I am curious to know is whether Steiner was chosen among other contactees by the plejarens to balance out the harmful effects which the gizeh intelligence contactees were about to create at that particular time and seeing as Steiner was 1 among 8 genuine contactees of the plejarens within the last century, his importance to the plejarens could not be underestimated. Any thoughts is welcome Matt | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 07-2004 |
I purchased the DVD's and am glad I did. Definitely new information included and of course the important previously explained knowledge, yet told in different styles that help reconfirm and strengthen our retention. Thanks Michael. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 331 Registered: 06-2000 |
The New DVD from Michael Horn is definitely worth seeing and viewing again . There is a lot of material there . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Language_of_the_birds New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2006 |
Newinitiation, H. P. BLAVATSKY: One more Freemasonic Lie. BLAVATSKY: A HASHISH SMOKER H. P. BLAVATSKY: LIAR, A PROFIT MAKER, A FREEMASON WOMAN, AND A HASHISH SMOKER, A SELF DELUDED! The famed 19th century Russian born mystic, world traveler, feminist, Theosophical Society co-founder, and author of occult classics Isis Unveiled and The Secret Doctrine, Helena Petrova Blavatsky (1831-1891) is also reputed to have been a user of cannabis... These WISE words below apply properly to this liar woman. TJ 35:41. Dies aber wird sein in zweinmal tausend Jahren, ehe die Zeit kommen wird, da meine Lehre unverfäschet neu gepredit wird, wenn der Stand der Irrlehren und Irrkulte und der Lug und Betrug und Trug der Totenbeschwörer, der Wahrsager und Hellseher sowie aller Scharlatane um die Wahrheit am höchsten sein wird. “TJ 35:41. "It will be two times a thousand years before the time comes when my teachings will be preached anew, without being falsified. This will occur when false doctrines and erroneous cults, when lies and fraud, and when deception by the conjurers of the dead and of spirits, by the soothsayers and clairvoyants, as well as by all the charlatans of the truth, will be at their peak. TJ 35:42. Bis dahin aber werden der falschen Kulte und der Lügner und Betrüger, der Scharlatane,Toten und Geisterbeschwörer, falschen Wahrsager, Hellseher und falschen Mittler zu angeblich Überirdischen, Andersdimensionierten und Weithergereisten aus, den Tiefen des Weltenraumes so viele sein, dass sie nicht mehr gezählet werden können. TJ 35:42. "Until then, false cults, as well as liars, deceivers, charlatans, conjurers of the dead and of spirits, false soothsayers, clairvoyants, and false mediums pretending to speak for supernatural, other-dimensional and extra terrestrial beings from the depths of the universe, will be so numerous that they can no longer be counted.“ I am sorry to say you are very badly Misinformed. Well known persons as Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Guy Ballard also known as Godfré Ray King and his wife Edna Ballard all of them invented, created, imagined out of their own illusions, deliriousness and self deceiving such a brotherhood of ascended masters in order to gather more followers and to give credibility to the false teachings of their sects, organizations and societies be it secret or not all of the mentioned persons never told or has written a single word of truth regarding such masters, their white brotherhood and their colorful 7 Rays brotherhood. Helena Petrovna Blavatsky herself established a Theosophical Society in India. It was there that Madame Blavatsky revealed her “contact” with a “mysterious” Indian and Tibetan “masters” called KootHoomi (aka Kuthumi), Morya (aka El Morya) and Dhjwal Khul (aka The Tibetan). Saint Germain was another of Blavatsky’s "masters" who were largely fictions of her imagination. Self deluded and mislead Alice Bailey’s books mentions a non-existent Christ or Maytreia who supposedly will establish the New Age a pseudo and confusing FAKE and HOAX New Age! Geraldine Innocente another Saint Germain and masters channeler is said she herself commited suicide. Followers of her split from “I AM” MOVEMENT group called “Bridge to Freedom” ("Brücke zur Freiheit") believed her father, Gus Innocente, had been previously embodied as the one who helped Jesus to carry His cross. Helena Blavatsky WAS ONLY A SELF DELUDED, she was only A LIAR and also a PUPPET from Freemasonry, who was the one who INVENTED this garbage one calls Theosophical Society and also H.P Blavatsky WAS a HASHISH SMOKER. ONLY 1% (Billy Meier CONFIRMS THIS in FIGU BULLETIN), or LESS than 1%, of anything (her fairy-tales) she has ever written is partly half-truths (PROPOSITAL MISINFORMARTION) the rest is not worth to make a bonfire. FORGET HER! Read more here: www.gaiaguys.net/666.htm www.gaiaguys.net/666.htm *** The true book TALMUD JMMANUEL reveals to us all the lies that all sects, religions, churches such as: the Judaism, Islamism, the Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianism, Protestant Christianism, Freemasonry, Mixed or Co-Freemasonry, Ordo Templi Orientis (The Eastern Temple Freemasons), the Great White Brotherhood, Raelianism, Ashtar Commando, the Ascended Masters, The I AM Movement, Bridge to Freedom, Martinist Order, Theosophical Society, The Church Universal and Triumphant, Rosicrucianism of all kinds, Martinism, Allan Kardec´s Spiritism or Kardecism, Protestant, Roman Catholic, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), Baptist, Evangelical, Luteran, Carismatic Church, Adventist of the Seventh Day, Jehovah Witnesses, New-Age Movements, the Secret Societies and membership to them are only the biggest infamous, untruthful, misleading, erroneous, heresies, and mad fantasies created by crazy swindlers and liars and also are the fruit of the crazy thoughts and imaginations of schizophrenical and psychotic people of this world. <<The number 666 to those with Christian roots represents "the Devil", "Satan", "the Beast" as portrayed by Christianity, and the spirit of evil as promoted by satanists like Aleister Crowley, the "prophet" and founder of the Ordo Templi Orientis (Eastern Templar Freemasons) in its current form. But at last we can learn the true meaning of 666, a meaning that was falsified and twisted into the Christian concept of Anti-Christ. 666 actually represents the Anti-logos, the un-reason. It is the child of evil, the child of destruction, who is a deadly enemy of knowledge, wisdom, and truth – an enemy of love, peace, reverence, and harmony. It is the Antilogos, in a myriad of forms. www.gaiaguys.net/666.htm www.gaiaguys.net/666.htm Please, go to the link above, read it, scroll down until you see the face of Blavatsky there and read it. Read the whole thing there. MILLIONS of people all around the planet are now aware of this webpage. www.gaiaguys.net/666.htm Diejenigen, die das Mysterium erfahren, reden darüber nicht. Diejenigen, die darüber reden, haben das Mysterium nicht erfahren Versuche nicht, über das Unaussprechliche zu reden, "Those who have experienced the Mystery don’t speak about it. Those who do speak about it have not experienced the Mystery." Lao Tse | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 117 Registered: 01-2004 |
just a quick two cents about whoever wrote this... "...H.P Blavatsky WAS a HASHISH SMOKER." "Helena Petrova Blavatsky (1831-1891) is also reputed to have been a user of cannabis..." i'm not here to promote smoking marijuana or things like that... but i would like to know the relevance of stating those two statements. does anybody know who wrote that angry garbage? what business is it of anybodies if she smoked some plant, or some kind of resin? after reading those first two paragraphs, it appears that whoever wrote it seems like a nut with anger problems. i dont think language of the birds wrote that, because i've seen it somewhere else. i wonder what dark secrets the author of those statements has lurking in his or her own closet. blavatsky was delusional right? she's dead right? am i the only one who thinks there's something ugly about bad mouthing a dead person? did she murder thousands of people? did her illicit habits affect so many people in such a negative way? i've read similair things written about alister crowley, that he was a heroin user etc. is'nt anger illogical? does the tj say anything about respecting all creatures and peoples? even hitler had a spirit, right? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 233 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Language of the birds Sorry if I sound lazy but can I shorten your name to lotb. I am well aware of Dyson and vivienne's website, so really I am glad to say that I am well past the point of ignorance of both their tremendous work and that of TJ and other works from Billy. This is just so that you don't get me wrong as to the point of my question not that it's your fault. I respect that you have taken on board this priceless priviledge and I feel happy that there is one other person in this world at this particular time who truly found their way amidst the all the maze of wrong treacherous winding road. The reason I ask the question is that, I don't know how familiar you are to Blavatsky's work but truly there are plenty of ramnants of truth left in her books that conforms with billy's Creational truths, discounting the person that she was, I am more interested in works, whoever it comes from, that conforms with the available truths as far as I know of about Creation. I don't like to dismiss outright the works of any other person just because everything doesn't accord with the truth, it merely gives me an opportunity to learn albeit through even being familiar with the other side of the truth, although it doesn't take knowing the lies to know the truth but it helps and as you know the complexities of our minds, if you've had the opportunity to feel it for yourself, it will show signs of its majestic brilliance by the sheer creative circuitry of its own structure to then sort out the vast information out there and pattern it in such ordered fashion that it slots everything in the right place, sure it takes effort and work, for just as well the mind won't move on its own but through volition and will, the facts lies and truth will in the end be ordered in the rightful place in the mind where it should belong. Getting back to Blavatsky'd work, I cannot discount the significance of her work, looking at it from an historical point of view and that I also know that she was one among the 700 odd gizeh contactees who played a vital role in their filthy agendas of wanting to control the world through religion and other cults with misinformation and so forth. If you read one of her seminal works such as the secret doctrine you will realise where I am coming from, just see for yourself and contrast it with billy's work. You may ask, if the best source is right here, why need to trudge through all the garbage out there to get at the truth? Well I am in a fortunate position through knowing about billy work that I am now in a position to judge all the other works with the solid foundation of truth under me. I can't go wrong there from this perspective but dare I say the possilbilities of being led up the garden path is all the more remote, the more you realise and know about billy's teachings. Anyway I will not agree with your assertions that everything Blavatsky wrote was fiction and a massive fabrication, just from a logical standpoint, how the heck could she have known so much without the help of higher beings who have relayed pertinent information to her that helped their own agendas come to fruition. Sure her works are not fool proof and theres certainly many lies in there for which Steiner had pointed out innumerable times (please don't ask who the heck is Steiner) but with the benefit of hindsight we can all judge at least in the most correct of ways with what we know about the truth, we can be confident in knowing that our ability to judge is not weak with so much that we have. It's all a vital learning lesson. Saalome | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 12-2004 |
I Will have to agree with you Peter_brodowski, I also feel the same way, why does the writer of the document have so much hate to a plant in the language that was used, which if I am not mistaken someone before on the forum mentioned some of its uses… I stand with the cannabis plant, but not for abusing it or using it recreationally, if every one only knew the benefits of the plants fibres, let alone the medicinal uses. The problem is a lot of people are using the drug in the wrong way without understanding it, and the media done their dirty work to make sure the image of the plant is forever destroyed. And the internet is full of documents discussing the reasons. Billy also once mentioned in one of his German bulletins that the plant is good source for medicinal use. But I don’t remember which one it was. If some people are bad and happen to smoke this plant it doesn’t mean the plant is the one to be blamed… or even mentioned in this sense… regards, Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey junior, yes, like many things that are beneficial to our health or for treatment of cerain problems, medecine can turn into poison, depending on how much you take. because we already mentioned marijuana, i'll stick to that as an example. if somebody has a difficulty eating due to a loss of appetite, marijuana can make one hunger for food (a.k.a. munchies, as it is known by certain people) if one has trouble getting to sleep, marijuana also can bring on a sense of being tired and or relaxed, helping one get to sleep. helping calm over active nerves. i know the effects first hand, i know that smoking too much (making a habit out of it) can result in short term memory loss, low energy, aswell... all that tar and resin in the lungs cant be all that great. when large quantities are taken, the effects are not as pleasant as lets say, taking a puff or two. i think nature gives it's medecine in all the right quantities, it's only when we start hording it (obtaining heroin from poppies, cocaine from the coca plant)that's when the medecine turns to poison. but logic should be the first and foremost choice to heal your ill's. although sometimes a herb or something similair works well in aiding positive intentions. what did jmmanuel have to say about various herbs, does anyone know? | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 12-2004 |
Nice one Peter_brodowski, As for your question since the TJ is the only source for the information from Jmmanuel, if I am correct that the only thing mentioned in the TJ with regards to herbs, is the he was treated with herbs after the crucifixion. By friend or friends from the far east. Regards, Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 02-2006 |
 Dear friends, 150 years ago, on July 10th 1856 was born Nikola Tesla. Salome, Dejan | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 06-2005 |
I was calculating the numerological value of the word PEACE and this adds to 19=10= 1 (according to the letters value posted previously by Jacob, in the archives) Then I added the nubers in the word SAALOME and this adds to 28=10= 1. How remarkable and How logical!!! Then I remembered that E= mc2 is the formula for an atomic bomb. So now I became very curious and I would love to know if there is a formula in physics for PEACE ? Semjase mentioned that "a lot of spiritual knowledge can be found in physics, but in a different form". Writing this I wonder if the answer is really so clear and that is the reason we cannot see it, or are earth humans so simple and stupid that we have to work hard to achieve such a simple formula for such a pure idea? | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 139 Registered: 04-2003 |
Melli, PEACE = LOVE By the way, E=mc2 says energy and mass are convertible or one in the same thing. It is not a formula for the atom bomb. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hi JO Jo, thanks for the reply, I was once watching a documentary about this equation and Einstein was interviewed too. I'm pretty sure the narator said its a formula, but who am to argue, I don't understand the intricacies of sphysics, although at school I was drawn to it, shame I didn't pursue it. | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 06-2006 |
Who was responisible for the Roswell crash? Who's beamship was it that crashed? | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Celestialbrother, please read the 424th Contact translation on: www.figu.org/ de/ figu/ bulletin/ s25/the_newest.htm Ptaah explained some details regarding "Roswell incident". Salome, Dejan | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 04-2006 |
Semjase: 103. Especially now, it also confirms what has been said since ancient times, that the Israeli people originally never were an actual people, but that this mass of people, in ancient times, singly and alone consisted of a gigantic group of degenerate and partially even criminal elements, who during their existence on Earth at that time only incited discord, falseness and war. 142. Thereby it should be clarified that the present gypsy people have not the least in common with the Hebraons of that time, who proclaimed themselves the first born and the chosen ones, just as much as do their distant descendents, who today still dare to assert this. 143. In truth, the Hebraons were the real scum and outcasts of Earth humanity, because through them fights and quarrels within the whole world were constantly stirred up and yet further spread, which has been maintained until the present day. Billy: But Hebraon means the "cast-off, or cast-out, scum". Semjase: 369. Sure, that is correct, ... http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv2p406-410,v4p55-58,98-101.htm I'm not sure if I am following this correctly or not, but is Semjase saying there that the Israeli mass of people (Hebraon) today are the degenerate real scums of Earth humanity? | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 900 Registered: 02-2000 |
Matt, But a large majority of todays Jew's aren't even the same Hebrew's as in Moses time. Most of todays Jew are Khazar converts. What I never understood is why Jehova just didn't conquer an already existing race. Instead of creating his own. I guess it was his big chess game. My Website | ||
Language_of_the_birds New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 06-2006 |
> > > > [ > I'm not sure if I am following this correctly or not, but is Semjase > saying there that the Israeli mass of people (Hebraon) today are the > degenerate real scums of Earth humanity? YES YOU are not reading it > wrong.] > > > Diejenigen, die das Mysterium erfahren, reden darüber nicht. Diejenigen, die darüber reden, haben das Mysterium nicht erfahren Versuche nicht, über das Unaussprechliche zu reden, "Those who have experienced the Mystery don’t speak about it. Those who do speak about it have not experienced the Mystery." Lao Tse | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 902 Registered: 02-2000 |
The question is, why were the Hebraon such bad people. Was there some sort of genetic manipulation involved or were they the poorest of the poor & did what ever they had to do to survive. My Website | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 01-2006 |
Ptaah "Real contacts were made only through impulse contacts through a telepathic transmission device with which we usually contacted various and higher educated human beings of earth to provide information, however, these people did not know that we were contacting them in this manner, neither did the many scientists - for example Einstein and other notable human beings of earth." So I take it this means that the Plejarens telepathically helped OR gave Einstein his theory of General Relativity? | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Matt, Good question. Yes, you are reading correctly, that is what Semjase is saying. In the words of Jmannuel, TJ:7 25. "Every good seed brings forth a good harvest, but a rotten seed brings forth a bad harvest. 26. "A good tree can never bear bad fruit, and a bad tree can never bear good fruit. Regards Adam | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 06-2005 |
The people who wrote the book "The Bible Unearthed", also made a tv program about their work. While watching the first part (of 4) there is a quick mention that meaning of the word 'israel' is: 'those who fight god'. I always wanted to know who gave the people this name? how old is it really? Just some food for thought>>>>>>> | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 04-2006 |
The descendants of those alleged degenerate scums of humanity are the ones who rule the GOVERNMENT of Israel.That is obvious.They are,were and will always be ready to attack,to provoke any war.In this conflict they use that cheap excuse of those 2 kidnapped soldiers to begin their machinations. But don`t call Language of the Birds antisemitic,racist,xenofobic when he is stating THE TRUTH about the present majority of Hebrews: THIS CRUEL LEBANON CONFLICT IS SUPPORTED BY 70% OF THE ISRAELI POPULATION.POPULARITY OF PRIME MINISTER IS HIGHER THAN EVER.DO YOU FIND A LOGICAL REASON FOR THAT? I know semjases words are extremely harsh but interpreted correctly they guide you to the truth.Just watch CNN these days.Watch Israeli soldiers talk as if they were in the middle of a counterstrike game.Watch indiscriminate destruction of bridges,buildings,airports.Watch the prime minister interview saying any measures will be taken to"defend" Israel. If the majority of the people support this stupidity and this conflict,Iraq conflict,Iran conflict or any war at all,then they ARE real scum of humanity.No excuses that they are being led astray,deceived or misguided.You cannot be exterminated by the Nazis in the 40`s and later be a nation of warmongers if you think logically and correctly. The people of Israel HAVE TO express themselves against this insanity. | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 553 Registered: 07-2000 |
There is another explanation on the word "Israel" Is, Ra and El are the names of ancient gods, hence these people mixed all the legends together for their own use. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 04-2006 |
Tony,i don`t think the P`s adressed Einstein specifically because relativity introduces a certain space time limit,the constant C, (speed of light) which is a wrong concept.Remember Einsteins egoic quote "God does not play dice". I think the P`s have been sending impulses to scientists to develop quantum mechanics theory,which is a physical manifestation of creational law:Consciousness is the most important factor when experimenting at molecular,microscopic level.Q.M says if you leave consciousness,spirit out of the equations,then there are no equations.Q.M says also that physical reality does not exist.(at least without consciousness). Better explained here : http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/wolf.html | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 255 Registered: 03-2004 |
Norm the answer of why the Hebraon were such bad people is given in the same translation they were the criminals from other planets who were sent here, and i dont think there is need of an "artificial" genetic modification, just bad education (brainwash) for the sons and you have automatically another generation of violent persons there may be genetic alterations but they are "natural", as it was explained: "Religious and sectarian belief may be transmitted/passed on from the parents to the child and is stored in the brain’s temporal lobes and the rear part of the parietal lobes. It then manifests itself as a form of schizophrenic illness" take care | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Adam, yes thats very interesting there in the words of Jmannuel. Theres always been one thing about the Israeli jews living here in Australia that has always puzzled me, and as such I would like to know why they behave like this. I would also like to know from anyone here if the Israelis behave like this in other countries too. Before i say anything, I like to say that I realize that not all Israeli jews are selfish, criminal and degenerate people, only that a very high percentage of them are. Here in Australia, its common knowledge to most people how adamantly hungry Jewish people are for money and power. They take the cake there. Not only that, but how they have suceeded in so many of them rising to the top in every type of organisation related to money and power, wether it be political, company, business's, ect. Another very noticeable negative trait about the Israeli jews here in Australia is about how SELFISH most of them are towards anyone who is not a jew like them or towards anything that is not jewish owned. Most of them usually only like to ever hang out with other people who are from their own kind. If your not a jew like them, then most will never give you the time of day. And wherever they only ever like to do their shopping and spend their money only at a jewish owned store or business. And many like to send their money they earned and profitted here in OZ back to their homeland too. Most of this is not what I've noticed myself about the jews living here in OZ, but its what is pretty much common knowledge to most OZ people. No other nationality of people living here in Oz acts in this selfish manner except jewish people. I would like to know if they act like this in any other nation too or is this just something here in Australia? The other thing i would like to know is why they act like this. Is because they have some sort of inside agenda amongst themselves or is it because they believe they are the 'chosen people' and such believe that they should only look after their own kind and mingle only amongst themselves because they are the only worthy ones? Also I would like to know how much of this has to do directly with what Semjase is saying about the Israeli people/jews below too? Semjase: 103. Especially now, it also confirms what has been said since ancient times, that the Israeli people originally never were an actual people, but that this mass of people, in ancient times, singly and alone consisted of a gigantic group of degenerate and partially even criminal elements, who during their existence on Earth at that time only incited discord, falseness and war. 104. Having come forth from the ones who were expelled, because they would not obey any order and were criminal, they assembled together in a mob in ancient times and formed the sham-people of the Hebraons, the gypsies, who in their megalomania and in SELFISHNESS and egoism, NAMED themselves a CHOSEN PEOPLE, who wanted to take up an elevated and ruling position over all terrestrial peoples, as is indeed known to you. 105. But you also know that this sham-people over a very long time always reached its goals, however, always only through murder, arson, the betrayal of friendships, and intrigues, and so forth, whereby they, the original forefathers of today's Israelis, were truly masters. 106. Their distant descendents now, today's Israelis, respectively their responsible ones and their myrmidons can - like the U.S.A. - commit the worst crimes pitilessly and unhindered and with their secret services and military, right before the eyes of the world at large, and even with their approval. 107. Not only that the secret service and military have criminal elements and trustworthy friends in many nations of Earth, who they, as ever, simply brutally and bloodthirstily butcher as needed and to reach their goals, no, they also have - again like the USA - through their intrigues, also understood how to make the appropriate friends in the governments, the economic concerns and banks, and so forth, or even creep into these themselves, so that their power has already grown to the degree that this cannot be grasped and perceived by Earth humans any more. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 01-2006 |
"Tony,i don`t think the P`s addressed Einstein specifically because relativity introduces a certain space time limit,the constant C, (speed of light) which is a wrong concept." Hector, Einsteins theory of general relativity encompasses and has to do with a lot more then just the speed of light. Also Einsteins theory of general relativity was WAY, WAY ahead of its time and was by far Einsteins greatest discovery, and completely overshadowed his theory and discovery of quantum mechanics. I'm not disputing what your saying there about the P's sending telepathic information to Einstein on the science of quantum mechanics. They probably did, but I tend to think that the P's most likely sent Einstein information on both sciences, especially general relativity because of how relativity was way, way ahead of its time. More then a decade after Einstein had came out with his theory on general relativity, Einstein was still saying publically how there are only 12 men in the world who can understand how it roughly works. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 06-2006 |
"Most of this is not what I've noticed myself about the jews living here in OZ, but its what is pretty much common knowledge to most OZ people. No other nationality of people living here in Oz acts in this selfish manner except jewish people." So true. - Australian resident. | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 03-2003 |
Contact 70 contains a history of the Hebraons in regards to Jehovan; a summary: Jehovan took power & seized control of 3 nations & the Hyperboreans; 1 of those nations subjugated by Jehovan were descendents of an IHWH named Armus who had settled in the region of Armenia 33,000 years ago (from the Pleja-System); 2nd nation subjugated by Jehovan were the Aryans (of India); 3rd "nation" was not a nation but "a worldwide alliance of gypsies...interspersed by spies & saboteurs of Jehovan", the "Hebrews" ("Hebraons" in ancient Plejaren language, later "Hebrons", names meaning "gypsies", "dregs of society", "outcast"). Gaiaguys.net has a translation of this section of Contact 70 at: http://www.gaiaguys.net/Aryans.htm (Search for the word: hebraons) to find the pertinent section. | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 04-2006 |
I sent Dyson an email a couple of days ago asking the question as I had asked here in my number 42 post, and I just got back Dysons reply. Hi Dyson, I'm not sure if I am following this correctly or not, but is Semjase saying there that the Israeli (Hebraon) mass of people today are the degenerate real scums of Earth humanity? Is this the reason why all jewish people are so money and power hungry today. Also why do most Jewish people send money back home to there own country for, as well as why do they always selfishingly only look after there own kind for too? thanks matt Dyson: Hi Matt, Yes. That's about the size of it. As Dr. Steven Greer, Director of the Disclosure Project says, "ET is the easy bit". But don't forget these people WERE chosen by the bad ETs and controlled by the Bafath, whose telenotic impulses will still take 2 or 3 centuries to fade away. And let's not forget why we did this translation in the first place. www.gaiaguys.net/protocols.htm We've got some more of Asket's explanations in the works which makes what Semjase says look TAME. Salome, Dyson | ||
Technod Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 07-2003 |
Does it seem also ,that Israel could be attempting to drag its intrigues-like the USA- into something? brian | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Matt, What kind of persons would bulldoze down homes of families while they are still inside, shoot at and kill other persons including women and children? And what kind of persons would finance, authorize or allow this to happen for whatever goal? Remember "...the Israeli people originally never were an actual people...". Former Jews who are aware of the corruption and perpetual criminal machinations refuse to call themselves Jews. Benjamin Freedman is one former Jew. Look him up. http://www.iamthewitness.com/Freedman1974speech.html Regards Adam | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 630 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All... From what I know from The Israeli Jewish people here where I live: they are brought-up and taught that Hebreaon/Hebraon means: "A pound or brook flows down with it's stream. As it flows down it's stream, all the Dirt/Filth on and in it, at the top layer, will automatically drop down to the bottom of the pound/stream bed, thus: Naturally 'Purifying' itself to a cleansed water manifestation. Thus: Purity." The above mentioned is what Hebreaon/Hebraon means to The Jewish people. They feel that they are The Purified Chosen Ones...by GOD. But, as we know and can acknowledge, from Billy and the Plejarans: THEY are the 'Reverse' of what is just mentioned above. Thus, the "Dirt/Filth(Scum..for some)" is what is left at the bottom, which IS/MEANS: "Hebreaon/Hebraon"!! Edward. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 519 Registered: 10-2000 |
I think that we should be careful to make appropriate distinctions in this discussion and not confuse (or accuse) all Jews and Israelis of being Zionists (who aren't all necesarily even Jewish, such as Christian Zionists). Here's a quote from the TJ: CHAPTER 25 The Prophecy 1. And Jmmanuel walked out of the temple, and his disciples came up to him because they wanted to show him the temple's structure. 2. He, however, spoke to them, "Look at all this. Truly, I say to you, not one stone here will remain upon the other without being broken. 3. "The Israelite people trespass against life and the truth, and they built this city on human blood. These people are divided into Israelites, who call themselves sons and daughters of Zion, with whom I do not identify, and who want to kill me, and Jews, who are misled believers of their religious cult, and to whom I bring the teachings of truth, as I do to all Earth humans. 4. "The Israelites have ravaged this land through plunder and murder, they have killed their friends with whom they had drunk wine, and they have deceived and misled their fellow believers of the Jewish cult, who are truly not Israelites but merely believers in a cult. 5. "Thus the Israelites betrayed their own friends and murdered them because of their greed, but it shall likewise be done to them by the rightful owners of this land whom they have deprived of their rights and subjugated since ancient times." So, in these strange times, we have a resurgence of the worst of the traits of the Israelis, as well as the worst of the Islamic fanatics, along with a resurgence of Nazism, etc. It won't be dull on planet Earth. Michael Horn | ||
Language_of_the_birds New member Post Number: 5 Registered: 06-2006 |
 Hebreaon/Hebraon... LIBERTY, EQUALITY, FRATERNITY??? Connecting the missing links.... Quoting from The Protocols... 14. When the populace has seen that all sorts of concessions and indulgences are yielded it, in the same name of freedom it has imagined itself to be sovereign lord and has stormed its way to power, but, naturally like every other blind man, it has come upon a host of stumbling blocks. IT HAS RUSHED TO FIND A GUIDE, IT HAS NEVER HAD THE SENSE TO RETURN TO THE FORMER STATE and it has laid down its plenipotentiary powers at OUR feet. Remember the French Revolution, to which it was we who gave the name of "Great": the secrets of its preparations are well known to us for it was wholly the work of our hands. 25. Far back in ancient times we were the first to cry among the masses of the people the words "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," words many times repeated since these days by stupid poll- parrots who, from all sides around, flew down upon these baits and with them carried away the well-being of the world, true freedom of the individual, formerly so well guarded against the pressure of the mob. The would-be wise men of the GOYIM [=NON Hebreaon/Hebraon=, the intellectuals, could not make anything out of the uttered words in their abstractedness; did not see that in nature there is no equality, cannot be freedom: that Nature herself has established inequality of minds, of characters, and capacities, just as immutably as she has established subordination to her laws: never stopped to think that the mob is a blind thing, that upstarts elected from among it to bear rule are, in regard to the political, the same blind men as the mob itself, that the adept, though he be a fool, can yet rule, whereas the non-adept, even if he were a genius, understands nothing in the political - to all those things the GOYIM paid no regard; yet all the time it was based upon these things that dynastic rule rested: the father passed on to the son a knowledge of the course of political affairs in such wise that none should know it but members of the dynasty and none could betray it to the governed. As time went on, the meaning of the dynastic transference of the true position of affairs in the political was lost, and this aided the success of our cause. 26. In all corners of the earth the words "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," brought to our ranks, thanks to our blind agents, whole legions who bore our banners with enthusiasm. **** Now From the Book Arahat Athersata, p.24. Excerpts here at Cool Guys' website: http://www.gaiaguys.net/stronggovernweak.htm http://www.gaiaguys.net/stronggovernweak.htm 53. Seit jeher wandelten mit bewusstseinmässiger Blindheit geschlagene Menschen über die Erde und verkündeten böse Irrlehren. 53. Since time immemorial humans who were struck with blindness, in so far as it concerns consciousness, wandered over the Earth and announced evil, false teachings. 54. So war es auch zur Zeit der französischen Revolution, als böse Irrlehrer und bewusstseinmässig arme materiell-intellektuelle Menschen vor die Volkmassen traten und in die Welt hinausschrien, dass alles, was Menschenantlitz trage, gleich sei. 54. It was also thus at the time of the French Revolution, as evil, false teachers and material-intellectual people, who were poor in consciousness, stepped before the masses of people and shouted out into the world that everyone with a human face is the same. 55. Mit dieser bösen Lüge wandten sie sich im speziellen an die bewusstseinmässig noch Unmündigen, an die Unterjochten, an die Minderentwickelten und Bewusstseinversklavten. 55. With this evil lie they especially focused on the people who were uninformed in their measure of consciousness, on the subjugated, on the least developed and those enslaved in their consciousness. 56. Die bewussten Lügen und die unerfüllbaren Versprechungen der Irrlehrer vermochten in diesen so beeinflussten, schlichten und einfachen Menschen die niedrigsten Triebe durchbrechen zu lassen. 56. The deliberate lies of the false teachers, and their promises that could not be fulfilled, were able to allow the basest motivations to break through in these plain and simple people, who were thus influenced. 57. Lügen und unerfüllbare Versprechen nach dem imaginären Ziel, endlich das schwere Joch der Unterdrücker abzuschütteln und alle Dinge selbst in die Hand zu nehmen, verleitete diese Schwächeren und der Führung Bedürftigen zu Irrhandlungen und zu ausartenden Ausschreitungen. 57. Lies and unfulfillable promises towards the imaginary goal of finally shaking off the heavy yoke of the oppressor and to taking all things in hand oneself misled these weaker ones, and those requiring leading, to wrong behavior and to degenerated transgressions. 58. Sie wussten ja nicht, dass die Gleichheit der Menschen ihre Berechtigung erst in der Befolgung der Naturgesetze rechtfertigt und in der Wahrheit der Bewusstsein- und Geistentwicklung. 58. They did not know that the entitlement to human equality is first justified in the adherence to the laws of nature and in the truth of the development of consciousness and spirit. 59. Doch die Volkmassen hörten auf das irre Schreien der ebenso irren Materiell-Intellektuellen, die aber grundlegend nicht die eigentlichen Verantwortlichen dieser Irrlehren waren, die nicht einmal 200 Jahre der Entwicklung benötigten, um die ganze Erde in Aufruhr, Entsetzen und Uneinigkeit, Elend und Not zu versetzen. 59. Yet the masses listened to the insane screams of the material intellectuals who were just as insane, who were, however, fundamentally, not the actual ones responsible for this false teaching, which required not even 200 years of development in order to shift the entire Earth into uproar, horror and disunity, misery and need. 60. Die grundlegenden Fakten dieser bösen Tatsachen gehen weiter zurück als die damals dargebrachten Irrlehren der bewusstseinarmen Materiell-Intellektuellen. 60. The basic facts of this evil state of affairs go further back than the false teachings brought about at the time of the material intellectuals who were poor in consciousness. 61. Die Fakten führen zurück in die Anfänge der irdischen Religionen, die in ihren Irrlehren ein bestimmendes, bestrafendes, bewachendes und allsehendes Wesen im Absoluten über den Erdenmenschen setzten, ihn dadurch zur Demut zwangen, unter ein höheres Wesen knechteten und ihm seine ursprüngliche Selbstbestimmung und Selbstsicherheit nahmen. 61. The facts lead back to the beginnings of the terrestrial religions which, in their false teachings, set an ordaining, punishing, watching and all-seeing being in the absolute over the Earth human to thereby force him into humility, to be subjugated under a higher being and to take from him his innate self-determination and his own security. 62. Dadurch wurde die selbständige bewusstseinmässige Entwicklung unterbunden, denn wo eine höhere Wesenform Macht, Gewalt, Bestimmung, Strafgericht und alle sonst mit Macht verbundenen Eigenschaften ausübt, da muss jede Selbstbestimmung und Selbstsicherheit unterdrückt, versklavt und vernichtet werden. 62. Thereby the independent development of the consciousness was thwarted, because, where a higher form of being exercises power, force, determination, punishment and all other qualities bound with might, all self-determination and self-security must be oppressed, enslaved and annihilated. RELATED TO THE ABOVE EXPOSED...This one below is is a real MUST READ webpage. Whole book online. http://www.sweetliberty.org/perspective/jp.html Quoting from the book online: "Remember the French Revolution, to which it was we who gave the name of 'Great': the secrets of its preparations are well known to us for it was wholly the work of our hands. Protocol No.3 "...We have been told that America's New War in which we have been enmeshed to 'make the world safe from terrorism; safe for democracy' will last 'maybe... forever'. According to part one of a recent Washington Post series on the events of the World Trade Center catastrophe: George Bush informed the people of America at 11:45 a.m. on September 11th, 2001, that 'America has to prepare for a NEW WAR against a new enemy'... terrorism. They would have us believe then that in less than three hours from the time of the 'attack', the president schemed up the neverendingwar while cruising around in Air Force One. Before the end of September, Bush and his gang were revealing the Zionist plan to begin the final conflict -- WWIII -- with statements such as: "This is a war and it will not be a short war." "This will not be over quickly." "Americans need to be prepared for more sacrifices and more casualties." "We have a war plan that will work, over whatever period of time it requires." "There will be many casualties." "...Then in 1906 one Mr. Arthur James Balfour, Prime Minister of England, met Dr. Weizmann in a hotel room and was captivated by the notion of presenting Palestine, which was not his to give to 'the Jews". Rabbi Elmer Berger says of that time that group of Jews which committed itself to Zionism . . . entered a peripatetic kind of diplomacy which took it into many chancelleries and parliaments, exploring the labyrinth and devious ways of international politics in a part of the world where political intrigue and secret deals were a byword. Jews began to play the game of 'practical politics'." http://www.sweetliberty.org/perspective/jp.html http://www.sweetliberty.org/perspective/jp.html Another MUST BE READ by the whole humankind www.gaiaguys.net/protocols.htm Not matter IF one says it FAKE, if the Plejaren say it FAKE read itLOOK AROUND YOURSELF and JUGDE THE BOOK and FACTS by yourself. Complete Book online at the cool guys' website right here: www.gaiaguys.net/protocols.htm *** Dingoes and Kuckaburras...in the Outback...Wide Awake dreaming in the Dreamtimes...  Didgeridoo Rules... Diejenigen, die das Mysterium erfahren, reden darüber nicht. Diejenigen, die darüber reden, haben das Mysterium nicht erfahren Versuche nicht, über das Unaussprechliche zu reden, "Those who have experienced the Mystery don’t speak about it. Those who do speak about it have not experienced the Mystery." Lao Tse | ||
Language_of_the_birds New member Post Number: 5 Registered: 06-2006 |
 Kosher...Shechita and the HARD LANGUAGE OF TRUTH... ******************** Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktberichte, Gespräche, Block 8 Dreihundertdreiundzwanzigster Kontact Donnerstag, 4, April 2002, 08:22 Uhr. Seiten 398-399 Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Reports Volume 8 323rd Contact Thursday, April 4th, 2002, 8:03AM Pages 398-399 Execerpts from a Non Official Translation kindly made by Gaiaguys: Now online here: http://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.v8p398-399.htm http://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.v8p398-399.htm "...Ptaah 40. Das Schächten wurde nie und zu keiner Zeit durch einen Ischwisch resp. durch einen Gott angeordnet, wie das die Erdenmenschen zum Ausdruck bringen, denn selbst die Abtrünnigen, die den Titel lHWH trugen, hielten sich an das Gesetz dessen, dass Tiere jeder Gattung und Art nicht irgendwelchen Qualen ausgesetzt werden sollten, sondern wenn sie schon getötet wurden, dies sehr schnell und völlig schmerzlos geschehen musste. Ptaah 40. That slaughter according to Jewish ritual was never and at no time demanded by an Ischwisch, respectively by a god, as it is expressed by Earth humans, because the renegades themselves who carried the title IHWH held to the law that animals of every species and kind should not be exposed to any kind of torture, rather if they are ready to be killed, that it must happen very quickly and completely painlessly. 41. Dies war seit alters her ein unumstössliches Gesetz, das selbst von den übelsten Abtrünnigen immer geachtet und befolgt wurde, und das auch heute bei allen unseren Völkern der gesamten Föderation unumschränkte Gültigkeit hat und ohne Ausnahme befolgt wird. 41. This was an irrevocable law since time immemorial that was always respected and followed by the evilest renegades themselves, and also today has unconditional validity for all of our peoples in the entire federation, and is followed without exception. 42. Die äusserst qualvolle Art des Tiertötens durch das Schächten führt auf eine erden menschliche, brutale Unsitte des Opferns zurück sowie auf die Lügen der Opfer-Priester, dass eine göttliche Anordnung und Forderung bestünde, dass das Fleisch getöteter Tiere nur dann vom Menschen als Nahrung geniessbar sei, verwendet und also gegessen werden dürfe, wenn es rein und damit ausgeblutet sei. 42. The extremely agonizing manner of killing animals through slaughter according to Jewish ritual leads back to an Earth-human brutal abuse of the sacrifice, as well as to the lies of sacrifice-priests, that a divine order and demand existed that meat from killed animals is only edible as nourishment for humans (and) may only be used, and therefore eaten, when it is pure and thereby is bled out. 43. Das aber könne nur dann der Fall sein, wenn, wie beim brutalen Opfern der Tiere, das Blut völlig aus dem Körper auslaufe, was nur durch das Schächten und also dadurch geschehen könne, dass den Tieren der Hals und damit auch die Schlagader durchschnitten werde. 43. But that can only be the case if, as with the brutal sacrifice of the animal, the blood runs completely out of the body, which can only happen through slaughter according to Jewish ritual and therefore, through that, it can happen that the animal has the neck and thereby also the artery cut through. 44. Eine menschenunwüdige Methode, die für die Tiere äusserst schmerzvoll ist, was auch die verkommenen Opfer-Priester wussten, die sich an ihrem quälerischen Sadismus erfreuend weideten, wenn sie auf diese Art und Weise Menschen und Tiere auf den Opferstöcken dahin mordeten und sich in ihrem irren Glauben und Fanatismus an den ungeheuren Qualen der Opfer erfreuten, die sich in ihrem Schmerze oft lange Minuten wanden. 44. A method unworthy of humans, that is extremely painful for the animals, which also the depraved sacrifice-priests knew, as they joyously gloated in their sadistic torture when they murdered humans and animals in this manner and way on the sacrificial blocks, and rejoiced in their insane belief and fanaticism in the monstrous torture of their sacrifices who would often writhe for many long minutes in their pain. Billy Es wird aber, so wie seit alters her, von den heutigen Schächtern behauptet, dass die Tiere durch das Schächten keine Schmerzen fühlen würden. Billy But it would be asserted, as it was from time immemorial, by today's slaughterers according to Jewish ritual, that the animals, through the slaughter according to Jewish ritual, would feel no pain. Ptaah 45. Das ist eine seit alters her bewusste ungeheure Lüge der Schächte-Befürworter, oder eine Lüge in Unkenntnis der wirklichen Wahrheit. Ptaah 45. That is a conscious monstrous lie since time immemorial from the advocates of slaughter according to Jewish ritual or a an untruth in non-recognition of the actual truth. " ******* Understanding the issue... Kosher... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shechita "...Shechita is the ritual slaughter of animals, as prescribed for slaughter of mammals and birds according to Jewish dietary laws. The act is performed by drawing a very sharp knife across the animal's throat and allowing the blood to drain out. Islamic dietary laws requires a similar procedure. The practice is based on the [FAKE and DELUSIONAL] Biblical law that men must not eat the blood of animals, one of the seven Noahide Laws incumbent on all Noah's children, not only the Jews. The animal must be killed with respect by a shochet who has in mind the life of the animal as he draws the knife across its neck. The animal can be in a number of positions; when the animal is lying on its back, this is referred to as shechita munachat... Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shechita " **** Source: http://www.ou.org/kosher/primer.html "...The Hebrew word kosher means fit or proper as it relates to kosher dietary law. Kosher foods are permitted to be eaten, and can be used as ingredients in the production of additional food items. The basic laws of Kashrus (a Hebrew word referring to kosher and its application) are of Biblical origin (Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 17). For thousands of years, Rabbinic scholars have interpreted these laws and applied them to contemporary situations. In addition, Rabbinic bodies enacted protective legislation to safeguard the integrity of kosher laws. III. MEAT & POULTRY PROCESSING A. Shechita: The Torah requires that meat and poultry be slaughtered in a prescribed manner known as shechita. The trachea and esophagus of the animal are severed with a special razor-sharp, perfectly smooth blade, causing instantaneous death with no pain to the animal. Only a trained kosher slaughterer (shochet), whose piety and expertise have been attested to by rabbinic authorities, is qualified to slaughter an animal for kosher consumption. B. Bedika: After the animal has been properly slaughtered, a trained inspector (bodek) inspects the internal organs for any physiological abnormalities that may render the animal non-kosher (treif). The lungs, in particular, must be examined in order to determine that there are no adhesions (sirchot), which may be indicative of a puncture in the lungs. If an adhesion is found, the bodek must further examine it carefully to determine its kashrus status. It should be noted that in addition to fulfilling the requirements of halacha (Jewish law), the bedika of internal organs insures a standard of quality that exceeds government requirements..." good one dear Michael Horn from CHAPTER 25 The Prophecy TJ 25:3. "The Israelite people trespass against life and the truth, and they built this city on human blood. These people are divided into Israelites, who call themselves sons and daughters of Zion, with whom I do not identify, and who want to kill me, and Jews, who are misled believers of their religious cult, and to whom I bring the teachings of truth, as I do to all Earth humans. TJ 25:4. "The Israelites have ravaged this land through plunder and murder, they have killed their friends with whom they had drunk wine, and they have deceived and misled their fellow believers of the Jewish cult, who are truly not Israelites but merely believers in a cult. TJ 25:5. "Thus the Israelites betrayed their own friends and murdered them because of their greed, but it shall likewise be done to them by the rightful owners of this land whom they have deprived of their rights and subjugated since ancient times." CHAPTER 25 TJ 3:15. "Already the axe has been laid at the root of the trees. Therefore, any tree that does not bring forth good fruit will be hewn down and thrown into the fire. TJ 3:16. "You brood of vipers, in two times a thousand years you and your followers, who pursue false teachings out of your own arrogance in your greed for power and fortune, shall be vanquished and, on account of your lies, punished. TJ 3:17. "So it shall be when humankind begins to comprehend, and when the chaff is separated from the grain. TJ 3:18. "It will be at the time when your false teachings will be laughed at and humankind discovers the truth. TJ 3:19. "This will come to pass when humankind builds singing lights and chariots of fire, with which they can escape into the cosmos, as is done by god and his followers, the celestial sons, TJ 3:20. "namely those who taught us the wisdom and knowledge of Creation, TJ 3:21. "and who urged us to obey the laws of nature and live according to them. TJ 3:22. "Oh you renegades, you brood of vipers, get away from this place, because you are impure and cursed in your false teachings. ******* By the way Shechita EQUALS THE SLAUGHTER THEY ARE DOING TO LEBANON... **** ...Ja!...Vogelsprache...my Didgeland Cool Guys...  Diejenigen, die das Mysterium erfahren, reden darüber nicht. Diejenigen, die darüber reden, haben das Mysterium nicht erfahren Versuche nicht, über das Unaussprechliche zu reden, "Those who have experienced the Mystery don’t speak about it. Those who do speak about it have not experienced the Mystery." Lao Tse | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 145 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi l-o-t-b, If Immanuel was in his 30s when saying this then perhaps this could happen around 2030s (remembering that this war is a looooooong war). TJ 3:16. "You brood of vipers, in two times a thousand years you and your followers, who pursue false teachings out of your own arrogance in your greed for power and fortune, shall be vanquished and, on account of your lies, punished. TJ 3:17. "So it shall be when humankind begins to comprehend, and when the chaff is separated from the grain. TJ 3:18. "It will be at the time when your false teachings will be laughed at and humankind discovers the truth. TJ 3:19. "This will come to pass when humankind builds singing lights and chariots of fire, with which they can escape into the cosmos, as is done by god and his followers, the celestial sons, cpl | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Board: Just want to echoed Michael Horn comment. Zionist is not equal to Jew (the proof is you have Christian Zionist that current support bombing of Lebanese Christians). Moreover, i think it is dangerous to cite the text on Israel and its history outside of their context. Those real (and harsh) statements have their full meaning when put within the context of contact notes. Be careful please with citations. From the current events in Palestine & Lebanon, , by far, the persons/groups that disappoint and revulse me the most who "those that cry with wolves" and support one side only, for instance the prime minister of my country Canada, S. Harper, and all the leaders close to America. I am ashamed. These leaders are cowards and disgusting individuals with no value of human life (what i really think of them can be published here...) Quick we need an election in Canada ! | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 634 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All... Well, Israel has to THANK THEMSELVES...that there is a Hezbollah! It is THEIR Creation!! Just an Effect...from a Cause!(Just as Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein was, and turned out to be: By the Governments of America!) Hezbollah started as a Resistance...against the Invasion and Occupation of Lebanon by Israel, then...in the begin 80-ties. And the resistance did manage to Oust...Israel from Lebanon. So, the resistance was truly motivated in their struggle and striving to maintain their country: which was truly successful! And that The Hezbollah has become so Huge in Power-Structure...is too, by their motivation for the Love for their country and people. This too, is all to be Thanked...by no on other than ISRAEL and it's Warmongering governments! So, now they try to wash-out the dirty laundry..which they made filthy themselves. Well, I do not think that there is a detergent...strong enough to help them clean their own filthy laundry! THEY...Really Shot themselves In The Foot...This Time!!! It Truly... Back-Fired on them! Just a "Death Wish"...being granted by themselves. Thank Creation...that two of my dearly beloved cousins came back home in one piece, when serving as 'Peace-Keepers'...in the last days of that bloody war! They were more threatened by the Israeli soldiers...than the Libanize. The Israelis wanted to really show whom was the boss there, in their own manner. They loved to shot over the Peace-Keeper's post buildings! I guess the knew that they were Losing, and thus, were Sore Losers! Peace To ALL...Creatures Of CREATION.... Edward. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 06-2006 |
I turn on the news to get updates and all I hear is mostly propaganda to feel sympathy for israel, and show videos of israeli victims in ambulances, but what is funny is the fact that while talking about these victims they also show smoke and fire from Lebanon because it looks alot more terrifying and it probably makes sheeple think that that chaos is from Israeli, while israeli ships and planes kill way more civilians, and Bush actually says "israel has the right to defend itself" WTF! Israel is bombing the sh*t out of civilian places, and is war really a best response to a kidnapping, there isn't any defense except killing, it's just ridiculous. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 01-2006 |
I'm just posting this in response to Alan's post above. (1980) Semjase: 106. Their distant descendents now, today's Israelis, respectively their responsible ones and their myrmidons can - like the U.S.A. - commit the worst crimes pitilessly and unhindered and with their secret services and military, right before the eyes of the world at large, and even with their approval. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 635 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Alan and Tony and All... Very perceptive of you both. WE know now that the Israeli forces have NO RESPECT...for any Policing/Observing Authority body! As you may gather from the news this last week: THEY have shelled an 'Unweaponed' UN building. What was it: 4 killed, and some wounded. And just last night 2 more UN observers dead! "Criminal offences"...THEY are committing! And Mr.Olmert says: " For...The War Against Terror!" Well, HE and his government are The GREATEST TERRORISTS...above his so-called The War Against Terror! He is Blinded by his own Actions. Shows that their "Mentality" has not changed in comparison to their fore-fathers! THEY still would rather be led by their False Delusional Distorted Bibles(torahs), just as the Christians do. THEY are "Mentally UNSTABLE!" A Mentally-disabled/handy-cap person has MORE "Reasonable Mentality", than they! They are "Crippling" their consciousness to the utmost! THEY are processing 'Beyond' - Natural Barbarism - ! Again, I Thank Creation that both of my younger cousins came back in one piece; for the same thing, the Israeli FANATICS...would have "MURDERED" them both because THEY(Israelis) ARE SORE LOSERS! (They can not get Hezbollah, so they take it out on the UN and the Innocent Civilians!) The Trauma's they gave to my dear young cousins! Well, let THEIR trauma's be even GREATER! "The Vibes You Send Out...YOU WILL GET BACK!" The LAWS Of CREATION WILL...catch-up with them! Edward. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Edward, I just watched on the news update today how they spoke breifly about how the israeli army killed 65 lebonon civilians in one day, and then noticed how the news channel in the same broadcast then made a BIG deal and spoke longer about how ONE Iraesli soldier been killed. Absolutely ridiculous! Obviously that particular news channel (and most others too) is infested with iraesli type people/scums of the earth at the top of management. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 242 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum members and moderators Please read this article first about Joe Firmage (1999) http://www.rickross.com/reference/ufo/ufo7.html If there was a well co-ordinated attempt by Figu members to appeal to such a person as Joe who in all likelihood appears to be quite open minded about the ET subject for financial assistance through some presentation of facts of Billy's case but obviously letting him do so on his own free will upon having consciously comprehended the truth for himself, how much more would the mission receive a boost. I know as comprehenders of the truth, materialism should be foremost out of our priority list of 'to achieves', I cannot help but think it inevitable to remain swimming in the same pond we are born into, billy likewise wasn't immune to the forces of capitalism for which he had succumb to in light of his responsibilities to look after his family, so I say if you can't beat'em, join'em and use the system not with the intention to exploit but to aid the cause and matter of factlyspeaking, you can't do it with oxygen alone. any ideas? | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 934 Registered: 02-2000 |
I sent info to Firmage many years ago it was ignored. He claims to = have had alien contact. My Website | ||
Klausmaus New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 07-2006 |
Indefensible actions of an alcoholic and notorious Jew-hater who shows his true colors and embarrasses himself before the world.  Mel Gibson arrested for investigation of driving under the influence of alcohol. ...in addition to threatening the arresting deputy and trying to escape, Gibson said, "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world," and asked the officer, James Mee, "Are you a Jew?" http://apnews.myway.com//article/20060730/D8J6B7D80.html TMZ has learned that Deputy Mee audiotaped the entire exchange between himself and Gibson, from the time of the traffic stop to the time Gibson was put in the patrol car, and that the tape fully corroborates the written report. Once inside the car, a source directly connected with the case says Gibson began banging himself against the seat. The report says Gibson told the deputy, "You mother f****r. I'm going to f*** you." The report also says "Gibson almost continually [sic] threatened me saying he 'owns Malibu' and will spend all of his money to 'get even' with me." The report says Gibson then launched into a barrage of anti-Semitic statements: "F*****g Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." Gibson then asked the deputy, "Are you a Jew?" The deputy became alarmed as Gibson's tirade escalated, and called ahead for a sergeant to meet them when they arrived at the station. When they arrived, a sergeant began videotaping Gibson, who noticed the camera and then said, "What the f*** do you think you're doing?" A law enforcement source says Gibson then noticed another female sergeant and yelled, "What do you think you're looking at, sugar tits?" We're told Gibson took two blood alcohol tests, which were videotaped, and continued saying how "f****d" he was and how he was going to "f***" Deputy Mee. http://www.tmz.com/ A bit of sensible reasoning by the police: Deputy Mee then wrote an eight-page report detailing Gibson's rampage and comments. Sources say the sergeant on duty felt it was too "inflammatory." A lieutenant and captain then got involved and calls were made to Sheriff's headquarters. Sources say Mee was told Gibson's comments would incite a lot of "Jewish hatred," that the situation in Israel was "way too inflammatory." It was mentioned several times that Gibson, who wrote, directed, and produced 2004's "The Passion of the Christ," had incited "anti-Jewish sentiment" and "For a drunk driving arrest, is this really worth all that?" Billy Meier also criticizes people that work to keep remembrance of the Jewish Holocaust active because it too incites a lot of Jewish hatred. So it goes on both sides of the fence. I apologize if this posting offends anyone and incites more Jewish hatred, that is not my intent. Please let all hateful feelings die, replace your negative thoughts with neutral positive ones, and practice the peace meditation instead. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 06-2006 |
I wouldn't waste my time with him if Joe Firmage claims to have had alien contact. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 243 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear norm How unfortunate that such delusion has spread so extensively having spread it's noxious fumes far and wide. Oh well, another one bites the dust, any other candidates you can come up with? cheers | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 02-2006 |
Klausmaus: "Indefensible actions of an alcoholic and notorious Jew-hater who shows his true colors and embarrasses himself before the world." The same goes for the Jewish state of Israel for showing its TRUE COLOURS to the world too in the civilian massacre of innocent Lebonese men, women and children!!! Israel has no conscious or heart, just death in mind. Vestri, I have deleted your last two paragraphs for obvious reasons. Hatred breeds more hatred.... | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 636 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Alan... Yes, very good! What happened in Qana...also happened some 10 years ago. And can you imagine, that Man says: "Lighting does not strike twice, at the same place!" Back then, also at a UN post with civilians taking shelter: Killing the UN personel and some 100 civilians were killed and many more wounded. Again, the Israeli army made up some non-sense excuse. When they could see a white building with big UN letters! Well, what I have read and heard, before the taking of the 2 Israeli soldiers was: that there has been much provocation by the Israeli side for a long time now, just provoking for the Hezbollah to dire, so to speak. So, it seems that the Israeli border troops were to blame for this spectical. Thus, again: it was an Effect...Caused by THEMSELVES! THEY...just do not seems to want to stop. One would think that they may have learned much from WWII, but this just does not seem to be the case, alas. Again, what Semjase and what is mentioned in the TJ concerning THEM...Speaks Loud Words! "The Truth is Harder...Than The Hardest Diamond"...I always say.. BTW: Welcome to the FIGU board, and enjoy your studying... Edward. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 524 Registered: 10-2000 |
There may be a better place for this so please feel free to move it. This refers to the attack on the Meier case by the people at www.theparacast.com: As many of you may now know, the two guys from Paracast went absolutely apoplectic over unusual photos taken by Meier of what he said were energy (non-dense material) UFOs. They declared that Meier had deliberately hoaxed (one particular) photo among about a half-dozen of the strange objects, and accused him, his friends, family and me of being liars, fabricators, unscrupulous, etc. Of course, when these champions of truth and integrity were asked to duplicate the photo that they had so confidently determined to be an out-of-camera superimposed photo of a "light fixture", they ran like heck and hid under more rhetoric...as all of the debunkers and attackers of the case inevitably do when challenged to put their money where their mouths are. Now, while reviewing Wendelle Steven's 542-page book, "A Preliminary Investigation Report", copyrights 1978-1982, I came across some information that, coincidentally, vindicates Meier once again. On pages 518 and 519, Stevens recounts details about several sightings of this object, which changed size, color and shape many times, and then, on page 521, Stevens states the following, "The whole story seems extremely bizarre and would be difficult for us to believe except that my co-investigators, Lee Elders and his wife Brit, were staying on the property at Hinterschmidruti in the course of an investigation follow-up during 1979, and personally witnessed a similar light show by the same kind of object. Brit was awakened about two o'clock in the morning by an extremely bright light outside the trailer they were sleeping in. She awakened Lee and together they watched a light display and pattern of events very much like the one described by Billy." It also should be pointed out that Lee and Brit Elders, in addition to being top level international private investigators and electronic counter-measure specialists (for banks, corporations and government entities) - they were also skeptics about the truth of the Meier case and got involved in the investigation, in part, to protect Stevens from possibly being taken in by a "hoaxer". It also should be mentioned that the Elders had other strange, direct experiences that were well outside of the abilities of a one-armed man to perpetrate, as they have so stated. Now, since the attack on Meier has been nothing short of vile by the hosts of the radio show, it won't be surprising if their tone isn't a bit more conciliatory, let alone reasonable, or indicative of an admission that it is they who just could be wrong. So now DB and GS can add the Elders and Stevens to their list of "cunning liars" - unless of course they'd like to rise, a significant distance, to some level of integrity and...deal with the established facts in the Meier case. Michael Horn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 07-2004 |
Michael, The pattern they followed could be predicted from the start of the interviews and discussion. Instead of them assisting you present your research, they maintained a preconceived notion and challenged the information before a real meaningful focus had been reached. Listeners were not able to draw a conclusion for themselves. The duo maintained a negative shell through out the program, tainting anybody listening. These two poorly skilled interviewers had a automatic reaction that seemed to come from a weakly thought out game plan that was meant to keep it narrowly focused on a singularity. Of course it makes sense they did it like that, their combined ability to comprehend anything more than one issue doesn't exist. The ludicrous belief that using a defective low resolution image as an absolute basis for Meier's story to be a hoax, shows how unprofessional they came across. DB's claim of being a well respected imaging expert was exposed when he claimed a WCUFO movie contained a cardboard cutout as the subject being filmed. Close inspection shows the ship moving which other posters easily pointed out. That alone destroys any credibility DB tried to claim. All in all, it's the type of interview that the Plejaren have predicted and explained their true value for the mission. It wasn't a changeable outcome. So I think anyone reading the postings or hearing the interviews should want to check for more info on Billy which is the initial goal. Don't expect them to realize their foolishness, that's their trademark. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 02-2006 |
The newspapers today read that Hezbolah must lay down its arms FIRST if there is to be a cease fire. How unfair is that! Israel is the FIRST one that starts bombing and killing hundreds of innocent civilian people after all that hezbolah did was kidnap 2 Israeli soldiers. After Israel started attacking lebanon, this then gave hezbolah the right to defend itself and its country from the Israeli attacks, and NOW Hezbolah is being told by Israel AND by the Western World too that if there is to be a cease fire that Hezbolah will have to be the one that lays down its arms first if there is to be a cease fire! That is completely unfair! Israel was the one who started firing first (and without any good reason too) and therefore Israel MUST be the one that lays down its arms first! That should be what the world should be demanding of Israel to do first, but none is saying that to Israel - WHY? I do not know. possibly what someone said before is true, that the Israel Jewish type people have infested themselves into top management positions in the media, government and finance organisations of the western world is why the western worlds media and government is acting like this. Semjase: 106. Their distant descendents now, today's Israelis, respectively their responsible ones and their myrmidons can - like the U.S.A. - commit the worst crimes pitilessly and unhindered and with their secret services and military, right before the eyes of the world at large, and even with their approval. 107. Not only that the secret service and military have criminal elements and trustworthy friends in many nations of Earth, who they, as ever, simply brutally and bloodthirstily butcher as needed and to reach their goals, no, they also have - again like the USA - through their intrigues, also understood how to make the appropriate friends in the governments, the economic concerns and banks, and so forth, or even creep into these themselves, so that their power has already grown to the degree that this cannot be grasped and perceived by Earth humans any more. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 07-2004 |
John Hogue, a guest last night on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory, referenced the material of Billy's predictions and prophecies in a positive description. Billy's prophecy's on WW3 and some description that his contacts with the "Pledians" occur in 11 year intervals(?), were the items Hogue tried using to support the idea that people with documented proof do predict future events. Both George and the guest seemed to not realize that the guest was a little unclear about how Billy's contacts occur. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 06-2006 |
Vestri, Israel is not saying that Hezbolah must lay down its arms first for their to be a cease fire, some media outlets from the western world is saying that. Israel is saying that it needs another week or two (of more bombing and killing lebanon people) to acheive its goal. In other words, Israel doesn't care if Hezbolah lays down it arms, Israel will continue with its killing campain - all because Hezbolah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers. Is killing hundreds of innocent civilians JUSTIFYABLE over that?? No way known! Your right with what you said there about the reason why practicularly all the media outlets and politics of the western world is favourtizing Israel in all this - which is what Semjase had said there. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 07-2004 |
Vestri, The reason's are many and involve all kinds of different participants. No single group is responsible for what is forming in the Middle East, and involves many previous events. I don't expect to be given anything near the truth of what is really happening by the media channels that are reporting the event, yet I can surmise that the current intrigues were in play years ago. The event could even be another diversion that the perpetrators need for the ultimate goal. Look back on the past events such as these and the answer you search may be found. It is obvious that this action on the Israelis part has a directive and it isn't about two captured soldiers. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 526 Registered: 10-2000 |
Kingman, Re your comments about the radio hosts, well said. Michael Horn | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 01-2006 |
The Wisdom of Henry Ford "Rosika Schwimmer, one of the leaders of the Peace Ship project, was a Jewish diplomat and pacifist who, according to Ford, was more intelligent than all of the others aboard the ship put together. She tells the story of her first meeting with Ford, where he said "I know who started this war - the German-Jewish bankers." As he slapped some papers hidden in pocket of his coat, he said, "I have the evidence here - facts! I can't give them out yet because I haven't got them all. I'll have them soon!" "In an interview with a New York Times reporter on Christmas, 1921, Ford gave some further insight into his education in the ways of the world while he was on the Peace Ship. "It was the Jews themselves who convinced me of the direct relationship between the international Jew and war. In fact, they went out of their way to convince me. On the peace ship were two very prominent Jews. We had not been at sea 200 miles before they began telling me of the power of the Jewish race, of how they controlled the world through their control of gold, and that the Jew and no one but the Jew could end the war. I was reluctant to believe it but they went into detail to convince me of the means by which the Jews controlled the war, how they had the money, how they had cornered all the basic materials needed to fight the war and all that, and they talked so long and so well that they convinced me. They said, and they believed, that the Jews started the war, that they would continue it as long as they wished, and that until the Jew stopped the war it could not be stopped. I was so disgusted I would have liked to turn the ship back." A Book for All Americans "Ford had become convinced that there was an organized, dangerous, largely secret, and incredibly powerful menace to America, almost completely Jewish at its highest levels, and he was determined to do something about it. He earnestly believed that if this menace was exposed to the light of day, that responsible and moral Jews would cast out this cancerous group from their midst. He was honestly surprised by the abuse he received from most of his Jewish friends and business associates after his educational work had begun, and we may be amazed by the fact that a few remained cordial. Henry Ford believed that if the kept press would not tell the truth on what he termed the Jewish Question, they it was his duty to his God and his country to do it himself." "He purchased what was at the time a small weekly newspaper in his home town in Michigan, The Dearborn Independent, and turned into his national voice, with nationwide distribution. His espousal of traditional values combined with a practical populism struck a chord with many Americans, for soon the sleepy weekly had turned into an influential giant, with a circulation at one point of nearly half a million. Ford lost money on the paper, selling it for five cents per copy or one dollar a year. When Jewish censorship kept it off the newsstands in some cities, he made it available through the local Ford agencies. He neither solicited nor accepted advertising - he would not have the paper subject to Jewish or any outside influence. The masthead meant what it said - Independent." "He gathered around him some of the most talented writers and researchers in the business, virtually cleaning out the editorial staff of the largest newspaper in the state, the Detroit News. He hired the best private investigators. He employed the services of patriotic Congressmen and diplomats. He despatched his agents to foreign countries to dig up the facts." http://www.natvan.com/american-dissident-voices/adv092593.html | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 01-2006 |
Someone was knocking my fellow Ozzie mate Mel Gibson just recently, so I thought I just post something to PROVE that Mel Gibson is a GOOD man. Gibson inspired by 'fear-mongering' Bush Film star and director Mel Gibson has launched a scathing attack on US President George W Bush, comparing his leadership to the barbaric rulers of the Mayan civilisation in his new film Apocalypto. The epic, due for release later this year, captures the decline of the Maya kingdom and the slaughter of thousands of inhabitants as human sacrifices in a bid to save the nation from collapsing. Gibson reveals he used present day American politics as an inspiration, claiming the government callously plays on the nation's insecurities to maintain power. He tells British film magazine Hotdog, "The fear-mongering we depict in the film reminds me of President Bush and his guys". http://uk.news.yahoo.com/12052006/364/gibson-inspired-fear-mongering-bush.html (personally i don't feel that Mel did anything wrong recently with saying any remarks about jews, in fact i have more respect for him now after he said that. Not that what he said about Jews was right or anything, but only cause he knows roughly where the scum bad guys lie) | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 01-2006 |
Greer: 3 insider sources report SETI reception of ET signals. Greer asserted the other day on coast to coast am (Art Bell hosting) that he had three insider sources who report SETI has received multiple ET signals. He further claimed that the CIA has a relationship with news media outlets to prevent the exposure of sensitive matters related to "national security". He also claimed that one of the sources would be recognizable by everyone. (i.e. a household name). | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 07-2004 |
Greer's statements are whaack regarding his SETI announcements. His claim on Coast to Coast AM is ludicrous when what SETI attempts is looked at logically. What intelligent ET is going to use radio signals to make contact. The relativity alone decides that it is not a communication form that is suitable over the vastness of space as well as a return response we may send to any signal. SETI does something that clearly will never discover anything concrete, and Greer seems to be on another team trying to confuse the public more by using unprovable comments that give a false validation to SETI's mission and add more distractions. I would guess that all those connected home PC's (nearly a million!) that SETI ties together are doing something other than crunching the data picked up by the radio telescopes. My proof=zero of course. It's always in the interests of the groups that wish Billy's info smeared to have a solid control on the UFO community, (which has always been relatively easy) and having Greer scoop up all the other arguably "top ufo" witnesses and keep them in a controlled committed bunch is mighty convenient. Wasn't the big event of the Disclosure Project right before 911 ( or the start of the second gulf war?) and it ended up lost in the noise after the fateful day/war. Just coincidences of course. Like Rumsfelds announcement that 2 trillion dollars was unaccounted for from the Defense Departments treasury on 9-10-2001. That slid off the radar as well, and to think...two TRILLION!!!! GONE!! When the house is always winning the big jackpots, you know the cards are marked. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 144 Registered: 07-2004 |
Mel Gibson driving drunk could of killed someone as well as himself. He will always lose that argument. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 952 Registered: 02-2000 |
"Greer's statements are whaack regarding his SETI announcements. His claim on Coast to Coast AM is ludicrous when what SETI attempts is looked at logically. What intelligent ET is going to use radio signals to make contact." It's Seti that's whacked. Not Greer! By the way, I do remember Billy saying something to the effect that the first ET contact will come through signals from space as a way to slowly prepare the population for a future landing. Also some advanced ET's & we now know with the Plejarens help since they intercept everybody would know to transmit a signal at the correct frequency that the primitive people are looking for rather than an advanced signal. My Website | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 953 Registered: 02-2000 |
I forgot to add that Greer has stated many times that he thinks SETI is a farce. My Website | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Shawn, I wouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater here when you say S. Greer is a liar. Greer moves in different circles than Billy and just because he doesn't know about Billy or like to get involved doesn't mean he is telling lies. S. Green neither confirms or denies anything about what Billy says. They move in different circles. It is completely possible to send a radio signal from a beamship or other such vessel once they realize we are looking for those sorts of signals in order to let us know we are there. There are so many things going on that we can't assume that we know everything just because Billy says so. Everything happens for a reason, and we unfortunatley are not privy to all those reasons, but from what I have read I see no reason to doubt it (What Greer said). The Plejarens have friends and other ET intelligences working with them. They are not alone, and they take into account all psychic conditions of us human beings of Earth. Some people are not ready for Billy's spiritual slant on things and prefer hard evidence. This should not eliminate these people from our circle friendship. S. Greer uncovers the secret government ops whereas Billy is not allowed to speak of it. Both serve a different purpose and Billy's role is that of a Prophet of Spiritual Truths. That is his Mission. As far as what I have seem from Billy he only exposes government lies when they have to do with our spiritual enslavement. Those are just my thoughts on the matter... | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 145 Registered: 07-2004 |
My meaning was to the validity Greer creates for SETI through his respected authority in the UFO's community. I agree Greer carry's a high value in the work of exposing the public to the reality of ET's. His SETI story has an awkward fiber running through it. Stating three anonymous sources( one a household name in ufo comm.) gives him three opportunities to convince one to speak publicly. He deals with many witnesses with much to lose in his Disclosure Project, one more should be easy for him. Sure a radio signal would be easy for a tech savvy ET, but I would believe a visual projection via TV/cable/satelite would be an easier first moment. And what alien in his right mind would want to signaL Seth Shostak? Come on, radio!? Fred Flintstone..LIVES! a friend in america Shawn | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 03-2006 |
I tend to lean towards Norm's posts #952 & 953, because I believe it's not the technology that is the point, but the preparation of the population for the ET reality. These are highly advanced ET's. They don't need to prove how superior to us they are. They know they are superior. They are just trying to help us mature a little bit and help us become able to accept how things are done in the Universe for our own good, so that for example, we don't destroy ourselves by picking on the wrong backwards civilization and have their Big Brothers come after us. I read somewhere that unadvanced civilizations are usually under the protection of other much more highly advanced civilizations capable of extreme destruction if necessary. These are the sorts of things that Earth people are not capable of absorbing into our minds, and the things which I believe they would want to teach us... | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 146 Registered: 07-2004 |
If Greer said it's a farce, how come he's all excited to "break" the news that SETI has received ET signals and is covering it up? Who cares if it's a farce. It can't be both. I don't believe the SETI project is seriously using their resources for their stated reason. The "primitive people" running SETI are used as something the "powers that block society from the ET truth" use as a major example of " see, there's nothing there.." It's a tool. Figure it out. If Greer said it's a farce, how come he's all excited... a friend in america Shawn | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 250 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum members Everything is plausible fellas, but what if Dr Greer was duped, didn't the internet hacker who got caught hacking into NASA and others point out that Dr Greer's disclosure project was mentioned among the files which indicates that there exist a concerted campaign by the military industrial complex to undermine the project and others. This would also indicate that if they succeeded by giving Dr Greer an indirect cause for such an anouncement he has made, only to be revealed that it was all a dud due to misinterpreting of the signal, would this give more people stronger reasons to further discredit him and the disclosure project? Sure seeing as Dr Greer is no intellectual slouch, nontheless it would've had to have been a very strong signal for him to make such an anouncement, knowing what is at stake. So how would they have convinced him he was receiving ET signals, well there are many covert strategies, least of all inserting a mole into the whole campaign without Dr Greer knowing, remember these covert elements are stealthily smart, cunning and very quick. But then again its just a possibility for one that I am unable to state even 10% that its accurate. Just a thought fellas and gals. Cheers | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 955 Registered: 02-2000 |
Ok Shawn, Then Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen is being tricked out of Millions of Dollars. Greers reason that its a farce is because the Aliens are already here thats why he has his own Cseti. But like Meier said the first contact will be by signals, which means the aliens will play by the rules that are set up by the mainstream scientists. When that doesn't bear fruit I guess they will try plan 2 then 3 then 4. Maybe the Aliens are testing the cover-up. My Website | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 637 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Vestri and All.... I did manage to see The Passion somewhat on the late side, but I found it an 'Excellent' film! I did not find it that 'Bloody' as was publicized in the media, and so forth. I have seen much and such more 'Bloodier' films. Mel Gibson did a splendid job..on his/this version. After all: it was the Jewish Priests and the Jewish 'Public' present...that voted him to die, when was asked, what to do with (Jesus) - Jmmanuel -. It is just a 'Honest' Historical film, which is based on TRUE historical FACTS, as even Billy and the Plejarans have made known to us, also. It just gives us all a good 'Impression' what Jmmanuel went through in his last hours. It is a very touching film, I have to say...also. I think it would impress anyone...with feelings. I watched an interview on the television the other day with a Jewish spokesman from a Jewish organization, and he gave very much positive input concerning his view of the 'Blowing up' of what has happened to Mel Gibson. He was very honest about it, and said Mr. Gibson is not really that radical as many people may seem it to be; he just interpreted his side of history and there is nothing wrong about that. If Mel Gibson was screaming to kill all the Jews and so forth, that would be another case. And that we...the public, should be more worried about radicals that literally beat up Jews and other ethnic people, and so on: THOSE are the people we should be worried about. THEY...literally KILL to show their point of view. So as you see, the MEDIA...DID make a 'Hype'... out of it all, and the Jewish organizations whom just did not agree. And I would agree with the Jewish spokesman: "The Film does not kill people, BUT People...Kill People!" And as they say: "There are TWO sides to a story. OR, TWO sides to a coin!" Welcome to the FIGU board, and enjoy your studying... Edward. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 148 Registered: 07-2004 |
"Ok Shawn, Then Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen is being tricked out of Millions of Dollars." Wouldn't be the first time. "Greers reason that its a farce is because the Aliens are already here thats why he has his own Cseti." Explain his motive for discussing the three anonymous insiders. He gives SETI an element of validation doing this. Do you suppose his belief of it being a farce is now in doubt to him? "Meier said the first contact will be by signals," Do you have the contact notes or answered question where he describes this. It could be crop circles are the signal. If Billy said "signal" that can mean many possible forms. The ET's could do a light show in the sky, or blink our power grid in morse, or make our moon look different. A signal can be represented by a wide field of various methods. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Metaldragon New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hello to all, I am trying to seek validity on two recently read works. The Pleadian Mission A Time Of Awareness 1994 (pub: The Pleades Project)by Randolph Winters. Is his work accurate as to his claim as having permission from Billy Meier to present a Pleadian history of our planet, etc? The second work is The Promise 1991 (pub:Inner Light)by Dr. Fred Bell who is also claiming a contact with Semjase over a device known as a Nuclear Attractor. Is there some one from FIGU who can say there is a relationship? }}} | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 01-2006 |
I emailed Dyson asking him more about what he thinks about the Israel/Lebanon situation and this is what he emailed back to me - Hi Dyson, can you give me your quick opinion on the appaulling murderous behavior of israel on lebanon. Also can you tell me a little bit more about why all the media outlets and politics of the western world are completely unfairly favourtising israel too? many thanks tony Dear Tony, As coincidence(?) would have it, ever since it was publicized on the FIGU board that we have www.gaiaguys.net/protocols.htm (which Billy calls a hoax, along with crop circles. Sure!* ;-)) both Vivienne and I have been spending most of our time digging very deep into this ugly topic, and the more we learn the more it seems that it represents perhaps the most important issue in the world, as the Bafath & Henn (Jahova/Yaweh) "chose" the Jews as their agents to enslave/destroy the planet. Many puppet sects and cults like the Freemasons/OTO, etc. have split off. No matter how horrible you might think it all is, I reckon it's probably far worse that that. As I like to tell people, Steven Greer (www.disclosureproject.org) says, "ET is the easy bit." And he's not just talking about the hoaxed "alien" abduction & Black Shelf free-energy/anti-gravity/telenotic stuff either. If you go back to www.gaiaguys.net/meierv2p406-410,v4p55-58,98-101.htm and read that material very carefully, most of your questions will be answered about why things are the way they are now. Here's an excerpt: 106. Their distant descendents now, today's Israelis, respectively their responsible ones and their myrmidons can - like the U.S.A. - commit the worst crimes pitilessly and unhindered and with their secret services and military, right before the eyes of the world at large, and even with their approval. 107. Not only that the secret service and military have criminal elements and trustworthy friends in many nations of Earth, who they, as ever, simply brutally and bloodthirstily butcher as needed and to reach their goals, no, they also have - again like the USA - through their intrigues, also understood how to make the appropriate friends in the governments, the economic concerns and banks, and so forth, or even creep into these themselves, so that their power has already grown to the degree that this cannot be grasped and perceived by Earth humans any more. ---------------------------------------- Blackmail is used widely. An up-and-coming politician is invited to a party and his picture is taken sitting smiling on a couch with a drink in his hand while (unbeknownst to him) behind him a naked 6 year old boy is performing oral sex on some man. Need I say more? And Israel not only has 200 intercontinental ballistic missles with thermonuclear warheads aimed at all the capital cities of Europe (and the submarines for the reat of us), they also have scalar weapons which influence the weather in all their agriculture markets and theatres of war, but also hold a knife to the whole planet's throat. Now wonder everybody does whatever Israel wants and they have a global licence to kill. The REALLY difficult stuff is understanding the connection between today's ritual human sacrifice cults (Yes, they exist. They rape and torture to death little kids they take off the streets in their thousands and they are UTTERLY above the law because they are connected to Freemasons, who infest our justice systems at all levels and are loyal to each other. Did you see the stuff near the top of our opening page? www.gaiaguys.net ) And, to the reason that you might not know much about the truth from the corrupt corporate media ((Please see also: www.gaiaguys.net/mediacorruption.htm ) is below. It's even worse in Australia. Did you see this? www.gaiaguys.net/disclosureisrael.htm Hope this has helped, Tony. Salome, Dyson FIGU does not endorse the following list of individuals. I only let it stand for informational purposes only.-Scott Partial List of Pro-Israeli Jews who Control the American Media compiled by Jeffrey Blankfort MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN, owner of NY Daily News, US News & World Report and chair of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American Organizations, one of the largest pro-Israel lobbying groups. LESLIE MOONVES, president of CBS television, great-nephew of David Ben-Gurion, and co-chair with Norman Ornstein of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton. JONATHAN MILLER, chair and CEO of AOL division of AOL-Time-Warner NEIL SHAPIRO, president of NBC News JEFF GASPIN, Executive Vice-President, Programming, NBC DAVID WESTIN, president of ABC News SUMNER REDSTONE, CEO of Viacom, "world's biggest media giant" (Economist, 11/23/2) owns Viacom cable, CBS and MTVs all over the world, Blockbuster video rentals and Black Entertainment TV. MICHAEL EISNER, major owner of Walt Disney, Capitol Cities, ABC. RUPERT MURDOCH, Owner Fox TV, New York Post, London Times, News of the World (Jewish mother) MEL KARMAZIN, president of CBS DON HEWITT, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes, CBS JEFF FAGER, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes II. CBS DAVID POLTRACK, Executive Vice-President, Research and Planning, CBS SANDY KRUSHOW, Chair, Fox Entertainment LLOYD BRAUN, Chair, ABC Entertainment BARRY MEYER, chair, Warner Bros. SHERRY LANSING, President of Paramount Communications and Chairman of Paramount Pictures' Motion Picture Group. HARVEY WEINSTEIN, CEO. Miramax Films. BRAD SIEGEL, President, Turner Entertainment. PETER CHERNIN, second in-command at Rupert Murdoch's News. Corp., owner of Fox TV MARTY PERETZ, owner and publisher of the New Republic, which openly identifies itself as pro-Israel. Al Gore credits Marty with being his "mentor." ARTHUR O. SULZBERGER, JR., publisher of the NY Times, the Boston Globe and other publications. WILLIAM SAFIRE, syndicated columnist for the NYT. TOM FRIEDMAN, syndicated columnist for the NYT. CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post. Honored by Honest Reporting.com, website monitoring "anti-Israel media." RICHARD COHEN, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post JEFF JACOBY, syndicated columnist for the Boston Globe NORMAN ORNSTEIN, American Enterprise Inst., regular columnist for USA Today, news analyst for CBS, and co-chair with Leslie Moonves of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton. STEPHEN EMERSON, every media outlet's first choice as an expert on domestic terrorism. DAVID SCHNEIDERMAN, owner of the Village Voice and the New Times network of "alternative weeklies." DENNIS LEIBOWITZ, head of Act II Partners, a media hedge fund KENNETH POLLACK, for CIA analysts, director of Saban Center for Middle East Policy, writes op-eds in NY Times, New Yorker BARRY DILLER, chair of USA Interactive, former owner of Universal Entertainment KENNETH ROTH, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch RICHARD LEIBNER, runs the N.S. Bienstock talent agency, which represents 600 news personalities such as Dan Rather, Dianne Sawyer and Bill O'Reilly. TERRY SEMEL, CEO, Yahoo, former chair, Warner Bros. MARK GOLIN, VP and Creative Director, AOL WARREN LIEBERFORD, Pres., Warner Bros. Home Video Div. of AOL- TimeWarner JEFFREY ZUCKER, President of NBC Entertainment JACK MYERS, NBC, chief.NYT 5.14.2 SANDY GRUSHOW, chair of Fox Entertainment GAIL BERMAN, president of Fox Entertainment STEPHEN SPIELBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks JEFFREY KATZENBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks DAVID GEFFEN, co-owner of Dreamworks LLYOD BRAUN, chair of ABC Entertainment JORDAN LEVIN, president of Warner Bros. Entertainment MAX MUTCHNICK, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami" DAVID KOHAN, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami" HOWARD STRINGER, chief of Sony Corp. of America AMY PASCAL, chair of Columbia Pictures JOEL KLEIN, chair and CEO of Bertelsmann's American operations ROBERT SILLERMAN, founder of Clear Channel Communications BRIAN GRADEN, president of MTV entertainment IVAN SEIDENBERG, CEO of Verizon Communications WOLF BLITZER, host of CNN's Late Edition LARRY KING, host of Larry King Live TED KOPPEL, host of ABC's Nightline ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN Reporter PAULA ZAHN, CNN Host MIKE WALLACE, Host of CBS, 60 Minutes BARBARA WALTERS, Host, ABC's 20-20 MICHAEL LEDEEN, editor of National Review BRUCE NUSSBAUM, editorial page editor, Business Week DONALD GRAHAM, Chair and CEO of Newsweek and Washington Post, son of... CATHERINE GRAHAM MEYER, former owner of the Washington Post HOWARD FINEMAN, Chief Political Columnist, Newsweek WILLIAM KRISTOL, Editor, Weekly Standard, Exec. Director Project for a New American Century (PNAC) RON ROSENTHAL, Managing Editor, San Francisco Chronicle PHIL BRONSTEIN, Executive Editor, San Francisco Chronicle, RON OWENS, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco) JOHN ROTHMAN, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco) MICHAEL SAVAGE, Talk Show Host, KFSO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco) Syndicated in 100 markets MICHAEL MEDVED, Talk Show Host, on 124 AM stations DENNIS PRAGER, Talk Show Host, nationally syndicated from LA. Has Israeli flag on his home page. BEN WATTENBERG, Moderator, PBS Think Tank. ANDREW LACK, president of NBC DANIEL MENAKER, Executive Director, Harper Collins DAVID REZNIK, Editor, The New Yorker NICHOLAS LEHMANN, writer, the New York HENRICK HERTZBERG, Talk of the Town editor, The New Yorker SAMUEL NEWHOUSE JR, and DONALD NEWHOUSE own Newhouse Publications, includes 26 newspapers in 22 cities; the Conde Nast magazine group, includes The New Yorker; Parade, the Sunday newspaper supplement; American City Business Journals, business newspapers published in more than 30 major cities in America; and interests in cable television programming and cable systems serving 1 million homes. DONALD NEWHOUSE, chairman of the board of directors, Associated Press. PETER R KANN, CEO, Wall Street Journal, Barron's RALPH J. & BRIAN ROBERTS, Owners, Comcast-ATT Cable TV. LAWRENCE KIRSHBAUM, CEO, AOL-Time Warner Book Group And many, many more... --------------------------------------------------------------- *(DRAFT ONLY excerpt form Sfath's explanation of Feb 3rd, 1945) 50. Die Regel beweist, dass sie immer mehr wissen wollen, als ihr Verstand zu verkraften vermag, deshalbsei dir gesagt, dass du immer nur gerade soviel Wissen und Weisheit lehren und preisgeben sollst, wieder augenblickliche Stand des Verstehens der Menschen dies verlangt. 50. The rule proves that they will always want to know more than they may understand and cope with, for that reason let me say to you that you should always give away and teach only so much knowledge and wisdom as the present state of understanding of the humans requires. | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 03-2003 |
Responding to Metaldragon's question regarding Randolph Winters and Fred Bell: both men are mentioned on FIGU's Critics page with the note, "As a form of assistance for the readers it may be said that we, FIGU and "Billy" Eduard A. Meier, dissociate ourselves from the machinations of and certain claims by the following persons". http://www.figu.org/us/figu/critics/index.htm Gaiaguys also has a webpage about Randy Winters at: www.gaiaguys.net/randywinters.htm | ||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 129 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello Dyson, You may be overestimating Israel’s influence in the world, as evidenced by this question to Billy. Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 07:00 pm: Dear Mr. Meier: Thank you for your reply to my question about why America supports Israel to the detriment of the Muslims and the Arabs and hopes for peace in the region (my post dated 12/7/04). I would like to ask you this follow-on question: How will supporting Israel lead America to being successful in achieving her goal of ruling the world? My thanks once again, Mr.Suzuki Answer Israel’s influence is not big enough in order to help the U.S.A. to achieve its (her?) goal | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 07-2004 |
Michael_d, I would suspect that the idea is more about a Jewish influence, not the country of Israel. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 01-2006 |
I'm posting this here in this section because Scott asked the topic of discussion to stick to translations, which is where I got this from. Klausmaus - "Dear Mr. Gaiaguysnet, If you are a man of spiritual thinking, why is your website filled with such evil and vile thoughts? You seem not to have learned the lessons from Mr. Billy and his friends. It escapes my way of thinking why Mr. Billy and FIGU want any association with you and your evil thoughts. I cannot believe they endorse your website. It is a violation to reasonable and sensible thinking people. I will not be returning to your website – ever! Excuse me now, I have to take a shower." http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/3549.html#POST22163 Klausmaus, how can someone address the truth without them also addressing the false, wrong and evil too. With all due respect Klausmaus, I think that you are NOT one of those 'reasonable and sensible people' that you are speaking of there. | ||
Klausmaus Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 07-2006 |
Mr. Tony, You presume Mr. Gagiaguysnet is presenting the truth through exposing what is false, wrong and evil. In fact, the case is just the opposite. He is creating what is false, wrong and evil by publishing his wrong-headed lies. YOU have fallen into the trap of his cult-minded thinking. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 968 Registered: 02-2000 |
I'm sorry but I don't buy into this vast Jewish conspiracy! I'll stick with Billy on this. My Website | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 353 Registered: 06-2000 |
Mr. Maus ; I have no idea why you even come to this forum , just to do what, exactly ? Like minded does not mean "sheepish followers" , and exactly what cult are you in, that causes you to act this way ? We are peacefully gathering here , and you come looking for a fight . My apologies to everyone else on this site ,it was I who ACCIDENTALLY gave this person 5 stars ! I mean what can you do ? I thought it was Tony's post . moderator: please remove my 5 star vote for klausmaus . Mark Campbell | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 01-2006 |
Klakusmaus: "Mr. Tony, You presume Mr. Gagiaguysnet is presenting the truth through exposing what is false, wrong and evil. In fact, the case is just the opposite. He is creating what is false, wrong and evil by publishing his wrong-headed lies." What wrong-headed lies is Mr Gaiaguysnet guilty of publishing, Mr Klakusmaus? I consider that when someone wants to knock someone else for something that they are doing wrong, that they should at least out of courtesy provide some form of information or proof to back what they are knocking the other of being guilty of. Btw, Mr Klakusmaus, are you a freemason? | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 07-2004 |
Klausmaus, You need to expound on your position with regards to Gaiaguys.net. If your claiming there is falseness in the statements they post, you need to clarify with examples and offer what you believe the truth should be. Details for what you claim are needed if you truly wish to help. So if we are presuming, then show us exactly where. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 528 Registered: 10-2000 |
Please feel free to post in appropriate section: Some day, we can call ourselves "mondriots" (defenders of our world) instead of just patriots, defenders of our particular countries. Michael Horn | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 01-2006 |
Must See Video (10mins) How British MP Galloway Blasts Zionist Media Live on SKY News interview. Its very good and it also mentions quite a few important things that I didn't know about Israel/Lebanon, which I've never seen mentioned anywhere here or at gaiaguysnet website. This interview is also a very good example which shows how biased the western world mainstream media is. http://mahmood.tv/?p=2677 | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 06-2006 |
Yes, excellent interview. I never knew any of that, and is something that everyone in the public should know about Israel/Lebanon! Who is that British MP, he is a STAR! I loved the way he cut all that diplomatic talk crap out when being interviewed by the the Sky News interviewer, and was extremely blunt in everything he spoke about, even in abusing Sky News Channel and the reporter of not just being crap journalism, but also speaking crap too. That MP has got my vote for British Prime Minister. Yes, definitely a must see video, thanks. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 01-2006 |
That was nothing the way that Galloway handled Sky News Channel, that was nothing, you should have seen the way he handled the U.S. senators. Absolutely sensational this guy is. I said that Sky News interview is a must see, but now after just watching the video of what he did in Washington, I am now saying that the video of his performance in Washington talking about all the dirty U.S. government things he brought up about the war in iraq is the MUST SEE. The Sky News interview doesn't even compare to this one! You can watch the video here at this link. It goes for 47 minutes, but it'll only seem like 20 minutes have gone by while watching it, because the performance he put up is far better then watching any TV soap opera. I was glued for the whole 47 minutes watching it. Absolutely sensational! This guy is brilliant, he didn't leave anything for the U.S. senate questioning him to stand on. Galloway also reveals a lot of the U.S.'s dirty actions in the oil-for-food scheme in Iraq, as well as many other things too. The U.S. senate tried to make out Galloway of being involved in corrupt activities in Iraq. The U.S. senate didn't just fail in this dirty attempt on Galloway, but Galloway was so good that it completely fell back in the U.S. senates face as to who is the corrupt party. The U.S. senate picked on the wrong guy. MUST SEE! It truely is, because I could seriously watch it again. Galloway takes on US oil accusers: British MP George Galloway has told US senators who accused him of profiting from Iraq oil dealings their claims were the "mother of all smokescreens". In a combative performance before a Senate committee, the Respect Coalition MP accused the US lawmakers of being "cavalier" with justice. He said: "I am not now nor have I ever been an oil trader and neither has anyone on my behalf." The senators say he was given credits to buy Iraqi oil by Saddam Hussein. Mr Galloway travelled to Washington to clear his name before the Senate sub-committee on investigations. He claims the evidence against him is false. He says forged documents had been used to make claims about him before. Mr Galloway went on the offensive from the start of his testimony, saying the committee had "traduced" his name around the world without asking him a single question. He told committee chairman Senator Norm Coleman: "I know that standards have slipped over the last few years in Washington but for a lawyer you are remarkably cavalier with any idea of justice." Mr Galloway, a leading anti-war campaigner, was expelled from the Labour Party in 2003 for his comments on Iraq. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4556113.stm Some of George Galloway's political profile, at BBC News website - Profile: George Galloway "George Galloway has always appeared to inspire a quite remarkable mix of emotions. But whether you admire him, loathe him or lampoon him - never, ever underestimate him. A maverick, a rebel, a dissident. All descriptions which George Galloway detests and disdains. He says such terms imply a "flibbertigibbet" approach to politics, a gadfly attitude to policy. A smile comes easily to Galloway's lips. He can be both charming and affable. But it is occasionally a smile of superiority. George Galloway is talented and he knows it. He has a command of language which provokes envy among more stilted and struggling orators." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4539429.stm | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 06-2006 |
"That was nothing the way that Galloway handled Sky News Channel, that was nothing, you should have seen the way he handled the U.S. senators. Absolutely sensational this guy is! The Sky News interview doesn't even compare to this one!.....Absolutely sensational! This guy is brilliant," Agreed! He said it all so perfectly and he didn't miss a beat or a single THING! And one of the things that was most amazing of all, was that he wasn't reading off anything either, other then off the top of his head for the whole time too! What a speaker, in more ways then one! Brilliant! With the degree of command of language in verbal skills that he has got, I think the world is lucky that this politician is a good guy and not corrupt. There is also a lot of VERY interesting things he brought up in his testimony about lots of corrupt and dishonest matters concerning various events in Iraq and also with the take over of Iraq that I didn't previously know about too. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 01-2006 |
I should just let anyone know who is thinking of watching Galloway's U.S. senate testimony video, for them to fast forward the video slider about 1/7 forward to save them having to listening to about 7-8 minutes of the committee chairman's useless talk about senate committee terms and stuff, which has little to do with what Galloway is there to talk about. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 04-2006 |
Truly Mr Galloway is brilliant man.He is brilliant because he feels and he knows that most of his political collegues and interviewers are brainwashed warmongers and there`s nothing to do with it.Die Welt bedarf weise Ratgebers...The world requires wise advisors,and this man is definitely one of them.Many criticize his harsh style,in line with Billy`s,but everyone who has eyes and ears knows Galloway is simply stating THE TRUTH,everywhere,everytime and under any conditions,good or bad. Watching him on Youtube.com today,crushing his opponents greedy stupid and belligerent arguments one by one,i can now imagine Jesus Crist(Jmmanuel) talking to his disciples and blaming the scribes and pharisees,trying to portrait the truth to some people who are not ready to be instructed,and feeling the apparent uselessness of his mission. For me,it is the same situation but different ages/locations.We will have to wait for too long until we will see plenty of truthbringers like Gandhi,Billy or Mr Galloway be heard,respected and studied,as well as placed in places of relevance in our societies. The people who know the truth and master the spirit wisdom,the Ihwhs,they care and protect the ones under threat or needs,rather than rob or exploit them. I can see Galloway exercising that,with the only skills of spoken language,his spirit wisdom and the power of his thoughts. He will need our help anyway :D | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 184 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dyson, I thought we could let the sleeping dog lie. But no, you remain unbowed, even when the answer comes directly from Billy. Quote from Dyson: And Israel not only has 200 intercontinental ballistic missles with thermonuclear warheads aimed at all the capital cities of Europe (and the submarines for the reat of us), they also have scalar weapons which influence the weather in all their agriculture markets and theatres of war, but also hold a knife to the whole planet's throat. In the last round Billy was asked the question regarding scalar ELECTRON weapons, and he said, no, to his knowledge the US and Russia do not have them, but they are working on them. He has commented on electron weapons in the past, so he recognizes their existence, but the recent question asked was so imprecise that we can’t even be sure if he even knows what scalar weapons are. Where does Israel get most of her weapons? So how can Israel have them if the US and Russia don’t? And regarding the nukes, what is the sense of Israel aiming warheads at all the capital cities of Europe? Doesn’t Israel have enough bad actors in its own neighborhood to be concerned with, especially now? I’m sure Russia, China and France are not cowering before the almighty Israel. You might want to reconsider your sources of information. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 01-2006 |
Jo_jo: "In the last round Billy was asked the question regarding scalar ELECTRON weapons, and he said, no, to his knowledge the US and Russia do not have them, but they are working on them." Jo-jo, billy never said that Russia or the U.S. do not have scalar weapons, he said to his knowledge. Billy also never said that Scalar weapons don't exist, nor did he say that any other country doesn't already have them either. Dyson was spot on saying this about you at his website - -------------------------------------------------- Please note that the person who calls her/himself "Jo-jo" has a bad habit of publicly misquoting me in order to twist the truth, and I did not say the below quote on the FIGU list, nor that Russia was going to attack the USA, nor that I "'knew' there were five successful moon landings prior to the Apollo 11 hoax." ("Then I guess you didn’t 'know' after all.") etc. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/6090.html#POST20181 -------------------------------------------------- Lets not forget Billys stance and failure with the acknowledgement of the U.S.'s setup role of staging the 911 attacks too. (wtc building 7, pentagon, ect) Billy obviously has some sort of good reason there why he won't state the obvious concerning the U.S. setting up of the 911 attacks, or do you still believe that 911 was all the work of a handfull of plastic knife weilding terrorists? There is also the issue of the crop circles too?? Perhaps there might be a good reason there for Billy to do the same with the Scalar weapons, if they are a reality, for which i do believe they are because my eyes don't lie to me when i look up to the sky or at pictures. You still haven't addressed the question I asked you in the WW3 section, asking you what you believe all those Bizzare cloud striations were in all those pictures of the sky, posted at gaiaguysnet website page below? I would still like to hear what you believe they are caused by. And when giving your answer, if you give an answer, please explain why those Bizzare cloud striations have never been seen in the sky before, other then within the past 5 years? http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv8p447-8.htm | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 140 Registered: 05-2004 |
To Jo-Jo Review of the book "Samson Option: Israel's Nuclear Arsenal & American Foreign Policy (Paperback) by Seymour M. Hersh" 1991 => Ever since the early 1950s, Israel has had one military eye firmly fixed on atomic weapons as a means of salvation, using them primarily as a military threat for both offensive and defensive purposes. Hersh, a Pulitzer Prize winner, expounds on the steady but quiet growth of an Israeli nuclear industry that proved so successful that Israel was able to coerce several U.S. administrations into doing its bidding. He also explores in depth Israeli access to U.S. intelligence satellite technologies that resulted from inattention by Washington leaders as well as from the four years of insider spying by Jonathan Jay Pollard. He reveals that the Soviet Union has been targeted by Israeli nuclear warheads since the mid-1980s. Unlike several other recent expos es of Israeli intelligence apparatus (Ian Black and Benny Morris's Israel's Secret Wars , LJ 8/91, and Andrew and Leslie Cockburn's Dangerous Liaison , LJ 6/15/91), Hersh follows the threads of a specific intelligence focus while highlighting U.S. policies that ultimately ignore the very real presence of the Israeli nuclear arsenal. I think this is a reliable source, independant from Figu. Salome. Eric | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 292 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Jo-Jo, I noticed that you never responded to the last question put to you on this discussion board about this topic. I will not waste my time trying to inform or debating with anyone as ignorant as you are, or sado-masochistic. If you desire public humiliation, in the furure please seek it elsewhere from someone else. It’s ugly. Got that? Please do not accept things with your belief as opposed to your understanding. Basic stuff. Ptaah said that. It’s up the top of our website. Please do your own homework the way I do and THEN express INFORMED opinions. I cannot do it for you, and it's not Billy's job either. What you don't know CAN hurt you, and you only came out of your crack again because you read some personal correspondence of mine, which was addressed to someone much more intelligent than you obviously are, and was never directed at you, but was published here without my knowledge or consent. From Billy, May 1st, 1989: Auch auf die Erdenmenschen trifft das zu, denn würde ihnen alles Wissen einfach wie Futter hingeschmissen und von ihnen gedankenlos und ohne Verarbeitung gefuttert, dann würde es keinen eigentlichen Erfolg bringen, sondern nur ein gewisses Schulwissen, während der Rest unverdaut als Exkremente wieder ausgeschieden würde. It is also applicable to the Earth humans, because if all knowledge was simply tossed out to them like feed and they fed on it thoughtlessly and without processing, then it would bring no proper success, but rather only a certain school-knowledge, while the undigested remainder would be secreted as excrement again. Mit anderen Worten: Es würde alles unverdaut vergessen und wäre also völlig nutzlos. In other words: Everything undigested, it would be forgotten, and would therefore be completely useless. www.gaiaguys.net/meierv5p468.htm Further correspondence with you will not be entered into. Salome, Dyson | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 185 Registered: 04-2003 |
Eric, Yes, I'm aware of Seymour Hersh of The New Yorker Magazine. I've heard him speak a number of times. He's very well connected with inside military sources. That's how he broke the Abu-Ghraib story. I'm also very well aware of Israel's nukes. That's common knowledge. But 200 nukes pales in comparison to the something-like 20,000 nukes possessed by the US and Russia. People are entitled to think the tail wags the dog. But that's not logical. The US is by far the biggest bully on the planet. Israel wouldn't exist without them. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 186 Registered: 04-2003 |
More debunking of the tail-wagging-the-dog theory (also called it’s not Israel, stupid). My apologies in advance for using that last word, it's just fitting. Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 10:26 am: Dear Mr. Meier, Assuming that World War 3 does not begin this year, what specific event or events do you see in 2006 serving as the possible catalyst for World War 3? Thank you in advance for your reply. Sincerely, Roger Answer The USA. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 187 Registered: 04-2003 |
Why's this man smiling?  Because he’s well prepared for Israel’s scalar weapons attack. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 530 Registered: 10-2000 |
Curses, foiled again! Michael Horn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 156 Registered: 07-2004 |
Jo_jo, You need a new stylist. Aluminum is just not your color. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 04-2003 |
What scalar weapons guys do when they're bored.  | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hi Michael, have you seen the 2 videos of British MP George Galloway, what do you think of him or do you know anything more about him which some of us here might not know about him? | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 531 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Tony, I remember seeing the other video where he shredded the idiots in the U.S. government who thought they were going to give him a hard time. He also apprarently embarrassed himself (or at least many of his supporters) with some stupid appearancess on British TV reality shows or some such. But I much prefer,a nd admire, a guy like that who doesn't take any guff from the parasites and empty heads in government and media. Michael Horn | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 02-2006 |
Michael, I watched the video you posted at your website, where you mentioned that the strong possibility that china will attack Israel, and if it does that Israel will be COMPLETELY DESTROYED. Well, i just like to say that that is the best news I heard this year so far. I hope it does happen and wipes those SCUMS of the earth off the planet. See comment by moderator Christian Frehner below!!! | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 02-2006 |
The 12 planets under the newly proposed IAU definition.  In proposing a new planet definition, the International Astronomical Union put 12 objects on a watch list of candidates that need further study.  Dear friends, you can find more at: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060816_planet_definition.html Salome, Dejan | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 02-2006 |
Dear forum, Under Project Orion, NASA would launch crews of four astronauts aboard Orion capsules, first to Earth orbit and the International Space Station and then later to the Moon...  By "coincidence" the new logo have the shape of pyramid with the 3 stars of orion belt constellation... Pyramids of Giza are the first on my mind... More at: http://www.space.com/news/cs_060814_orion_logo.html Salome, Dejan | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 982 Registered: 02-2000 |
They are equating the Earth, Moon & Mars to the three Orion stars. Look at the other new patches & compare.  My Website | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Michael H. I was reading your articles on "They Fly", Newsletter dated Dec. 2005, about the current situation in Labanon/IL, titled: "Where are the Moderate Moslims", the last paragraph in this article mentions the UN Peace keeping force: we all know that currently the UN is impotent when it concerns the most crucial world affairs, it does nothing without US approval, and so my question is this: as the world needs a new 'UN Version', Who will germinate such an idea? and most importantly WHEN will this begin to take shape? What is the true status of Kofi Annan? If you have spoken to Billy about this, can you please inform us here? Thank you, | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 116 Registered: 02-2000 |
A message to Vestri and like-minded persons who think along the line as expressed in Vestri's posting (above) of August 15, 2006, 08:51 pm: We will not accept any more of your stupid and hateful postings. Obviously you are not aware about the fact that you are exactly on the same shameful low level as all those warmongering criminals on the Israeli, Palestinian, Hizbollah, U.S., etc. sides. Since you are truly looking forward for a war to be started (if China would attack Israel this would mean WWWIII), with all related worldwide catastrophic results, and all those innocent people being killed (there are peaceful and innocent people in Israel just there are such in the USA), you don't deserve being called a human being. All those persons who are striving for hate, hatred, revenge ("an eye for an eye"), war, terror, etc. etc. are really a part of that big group of people who may be called "Scum"! It's up to you to decide whether you want to "improve" your thinking towards decency and self-responsibility, or to continue in your current state of mind. Your old ways of thinking are not accepted anymore on this Forum. Christian Frehner Moderator | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 189 Registered: 04-2003 |
Thank you Christian! | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 532 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Melli, Actually the sentence says, "Without a real force such as this (not the current UN version) it will be very difficult to avoid a world war..." You'll find that Billy says the following at http://www.theyfly.com/newsletter/august06/august06.htm: "As a matter of fact there is only one possibility to stop the entirety of the worldwide war lunacy, if, according to Henok's principle, a worldwide multinational troop, fighting for peace, would be created which is subordinate to a pure peace-government in which no power-greedy ones would have any kind of power. The worldwide peace-government must be concerned with acting according to Henok's scheme, in that their troops, fighting for peace, destroy and eliminate all weapons of mass destruction, respectively, all kinds of weapons of war, in all countries, and so a worldwide peace would be brought about and be preserved. If the people, on one hand, have no power-greedy ones at the rudder any more, and no weapons of war at their disposal any more, and they could also no longer manufacture or buy such, with which they can attack and force down other people, then the chance of a worldwide peace really exists. Yet such an action requires a proper portion of intelligence which, as a rule, is just as absent in the criminal and irresponsible power-leaders as it is in all the people who are their followers, and who support the state criminals. As a matter of fact there are only very few individual cases with governments of which it can be said that these lead the people correctly and are actually also concerned about the wellbeing of the people." I think that says it all very clearly though it can't tell us if and when we will be wise enough to establish such a force. I don't know any more about this or Kofi Annan. Michael Horn | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 04-2006 |
Christian is right.Hate just generates more hate and violence brings about more violence. Vestri did no control his emotions that day in the neutral-positive range,but in the very negative. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 06-2006 |
Michael, in other words, does this mean that if NO worldwide multinational peacekeeping troop is established very soon within a year or so, that world war 3 is going to be unavoidable? | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Spaceman, I can answer your August 1st questions if you are still interested. First off, question #1 is in the wrong category. There is a category dedicated specifically to that in another section. I will answer your question anyways. The amount of Plejaren women that are bi-sexual is the same amount as of women here on Earth. It is a natural occurence for women where some women are bisexual and others are not. The percentage is the same on Earth and in the Plejades and throughout the Universe for the human form. The amount of Homosexual men as well is the same as on Earth with one big difference: They are asked if they want to reverse and fix the gene that causes homosexuality so that they can enjoy a "normal" heterosexual life because they have the technology to do this. The children are instructed and taught that homosexuality is a normal part of nature that is abnormal (ie - a mistake in nature), and that it can be reversed if the affected person so desires it. Now, on to question #2: The threat of WW3 still exists after the years of 2010, 2011, 2012, (but to a lesser degree I think?) if the people of Earth still do not become reasonable and stop all of this insanity and armies steamrolling over the Earth! Billy has approached the general bodies but all of his attempts to contact government representatives of almost every country have gone unanswered. In 1954? he mailed out 3000 letters with prophecies given to him by Sfath with noone answering him. Micheal Horn, although not part of FIGU (he is an unbiased observer), is the American Media representative for the Billy Meier contacts. Whether everything goes as planned is up to us and not at all up to the Plejarens. They have a plan, yes, but it is up to us to make it succeed! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 858 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Sonik, I don't think I've heard about the Plejarens doing gene therapy for homosexuality, where did you read this? I just re-read FIGU Bulletin 2 regarding Homosexuality, but didn't find what you mentioned, unless it is in a different article somewhere. Thanks Scott | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 533 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Alan, I really have no way of knowing that. Hi Sonik_01, A correction, I am a Passive Member and I am not exactly unbiased. To be more precise, since I know that the case is authenic, based on having found sufficient proof, I am not neutral about that. I do say , however, that I cannot prove that everything in the case (the information) is true and so I consider that which I cannot prove or disprove to be specualtive. Michael Horn | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Scott, I really don't remember where I read or saw this. There is so much stuff that I come across that sometimes I forget where I saw it. Maybe it was in the contact notes or here on the discussion board. I did a search of the discussion board and came up with nothing. I went through the index of the contact notes (Vols. 1-2), found nothing, and the index for Vol. 3 is not as detailed as 1 or 2 and has no descriptions. I have not read Vol.4 yet so it is not there. I am sorry to post stuff that I can't back up, but I thought it was true. If it isn't, I stand corrected. Hello Micheal, I am sorry about the mistake. I had absolutely no idea you were a passive member. I just judged from your writing style and your frankness about the unproveable parts of the case that you were just observing and reporting the case from the outside, for credibility's sake to those ufo skeptics, so they wouldn't judge you or something. Sorry about that! | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 01-2006 |
I remember reading somewhere in the contact notes (i think) that the Plejarens can somehow check before a person is just about to be born to see if they are going to be homosexual, and it said something like the cure to fix this problem is to give the child counseling during it childhood. If this is correct what I read, can someone else please confirm it? | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 194 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello friends, I've been listening to this guy Fintan Dunne the last three years. He says Alex Jones is a Government Operative since he fortold the 9/11 trade center attacks and Alex bets his reputation on this prediction. Fintan is much more intelligent and seems very rational and logical. I trust many of your opinions since the past year or two. Could you guys listen to this audio file and let me know what you think about his ideas/suggestions. http://www.breakfornews.com/audio/NextLevel060818a.mp3 I'm fearless so don't hold back! Thanks guys! Tim Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 12-2005 |
"Thanks guys!" THANKYOU for the link Tjames, excellent listening. I'm involved very heavily in my studies and work projects atm so I rearly give priority to thought on socio-political world affairs - to find an exellent 'fact-collector'(although they still require secondary verification) such as Fintan Dunne will allow me to get back into it(something I consider important). I don't know if you should listen to it or not, its up to you. Thanks, Kiril | ||
Indi New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2006 |
"I really don't remember where I read or saw this. There is so much stuff that I come across that sometimes I forget where I saw it. " I think I heard a discussion about genes and homoeosexuality on one of the R. Winters contact note tapes. Have you listened to those? Best Indi | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 06-2006 |
Yes, I just listened to that radio interview. Excellent! And after hearing it, I now think that Fintan Dunne is right about Alex Jones being a plant who's goal is to sabotage the 911 Truth movement. I've bookmarked that "BreakForNews" website so i can stay informed. Good website, thanks Tjames. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 644 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dejan.. Always interesting, the images that you have posted.. I checked my Celestia Simulator, and they are all in it's data bank. The only difference was that '2003 EL61' which was ROUND; and I only just had to adjust it's 3D-format into the shown 'Oval' format. Thus, now it is Oval...as it should be, thanks to you.... Pleasant astronomy.... Edward. | ||
Psycloud Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 06-2006 |
I listened to Alex Jones for a couple of years, and in the past year I have as if he is just like the news media in the US, with an opposite effect. Its like being brainwashed in the opposite direction, instead thinking the government is all good an all, he makes them seem all bad an all. Just like the New media in the US he makes claims that have no source other then assumptions, such as the government being satanic and evil. Maybe some of the people in the government are satanic and evil, but the whole government is not satanic and evil. The thing about the new media and independent media is that that need to be examined everytime that report something. Are the statements supported by the evidence. And while on that subject, I have a friend who reads a Chinese newspaper, and he says the chinese newspaper he was reading said that that guy who admited to the murder of John Benay Ramsy was tortured while in china into releasing this info, and over here they say he freely admited it, and I even heard things from his ex-wife on TV who said that he was home every christmas, and therefore could not have been the murderer because he was home that night that she was murdered. Just thought that that might be interesting to some. I am truthful to the extend at which I know the truth. | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Edward, thanks... well... nice, your favorite simulator is now updated. I have "celestia" also, and only can say it is really good one. Together with "Starry Night" it helps me to understand the space around us better. And just a glance at night sky is enough for me to understand and remind myself how Creation is great and how much we must learn to comprehend such beauty as life is... Salome, Dejan | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 865 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, For those that do not know, one of our forum members wrote a song entitled Judas Wasn't Guilty. This is a song drawing attention to the fact that Judas Ihariot was the true betrayer of Jmmanuel and not Judas Iscarioth. Here is a link to the page and music: http://soulshaker.tripod.com/JudasWasntGuilty/ I hope you don't mind Mark, but I thought your music endeavors would be a valued addition to the forum. Regards Scott | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 359 Registered: 06-2000 |
Thanks Scott ; Of course I don't mind . I put the site together a few years ago and recently shined it up a little , since it was so primitive . Since then I've recorded a new version , with real violins , cello and drums , for a dedicated release sometime in the near future . Thanks for bringing it up . Kind Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Janette Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi everyone I haven´t posted here very often but now I have to open my mouth even someone might get upset because I say this. Peter wrote us about his experiences and it has started little horrifying me. Why? Because it reminds me so so much about my past. First those UFO photos that you showed us Peter, human mind can see things that are not true even if you have got them for videotape. About 9-10 years ago I was into UFOlogy and new age movement...and I thought that I saw UFOs almost everytime I watched the sky. I got even my school mate to see it. Then other experiences you told us Peter, because they can´t be true. Those are also familiar things for me. I see visions as well, but I realize that they are not real. Same thing with your "flashbacks of past lifes". Mind makes it´s tricks very easily and people has to know what he/she is doing. If you do not know what or why you´re doing some things, it is warning sign already. Love & Peace, Janette | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 164 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello janette, thank you for your opinion can you prove anything you say? "First those UFO photos that you showed us Peter, human mind can see things that are not true even if you have got them for videotape. About 9-10 years ago I was into UFOlogy and new age movement...and I thought that I saw UFOs almost everytime I watched the sky. I got even my school mate to see it. " what you wrote in the above says more about you than you may realize. i think you are either here to make me look like a fool, or take attention away from the photo's i posted etc etc etc. "Then other experiences you told us Peter, because they can´t be true. Those are also familiar things for me. I see visions as well, but I realize that they are not real. Same thing with your "flashbacks of past lifes". " it's interesting how you pile up everything into one neat package, and try to trash it. yes you are right ... mind makes it's trick very easily and people has to know what he/she is doing. i know why i do some things... i's because i choose to do somethings, just like you choosing to give your 2 cents. are you sure you are out of that whole new aged circle? because (no offense), you are either a negative person with negative intent, or a stupid person with personal issues that needs to be addressed. and whoever gave you 5 stars must be waiting to put a dagger in my heart. i think you are paranoid or just stupid. if i am wrong about your stupidity then i apoligize and thank you for your geniune, caring, well meaning observation | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 360 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Peter ; I decided to step in to comment , carefully , and especially not to make you or anyone look like a fool . A few years ago ( or was in months ?) I could be contentious before , but I can't relate to that behaviour now . What Janette writes is sensible , because Billy has informed us that exactly that which she postulates is a high probability . Her suggestion is not definitive , and cannot be proven either way , pro or con . Consider what we have learned here ; that we can subdue emotions , the anger that inflames when someone poses an opposite opinion . I started to see that the opposing view is what makes research valid and understandable . It gives strength to all findings . So to wrap up here , maybe you could stretch your awareness just a little to see that by your photos and other comments , you are demanding that everyone accept that you have taken UFO photographs , which can easily lead you to believe that you are being contacted , and possibly some kind of chosen one for some other ET group besides the Plejaren .Or at least that you were in the right place / right time when some aliens came around . In no way am I putting those words on your mouth , just consider that others opinions on this forum are going to take position , and you always have a chance to respond maturely . Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 165 Registered: 01-2004 |
hi mark you seem to be very careful with your words, so i'll show you the same respect and be careful with mine... i dont demand anything. perhaps you are demanding something of me?? dont assume that you know what i have and have not considered, based on the things i've said. i can think of twenty things to say, but only choose one. do you know what i mean? maybe not, that's cool though. i dont believe i am being contacted, i had believed that years ago but have since put things in perspective. about what janette wrote.... i understand her point about what billy has said. i do not however think what she wrote is sensible. she feels she can catagorize everything that has happend to me as lies or delusion or whatever,,, i think that's ingnorant and an attack. just by reading how youword your posts to me, i can tell you are not very fond of what i write or how i write it, and perhaps you gave her the 5 stars. in anycase, i am not forcing my view on anyone. you just could'nt help yourself, could you? (read deeply into that last sentence please, i feel i owe you some good advice, as you have given me some) in anycase, i would think if the things i write disturb janette, i would hope she would email me with her concerns rather than call me a delusional liar or wpaint the picture she has painted with her careless words. what an ironic twist. tell me though if you please, what do you think i took pictures of? what do you think i have seen in the sky? i dont know if you've overlooked this but i have said a considerable amount of times that not every object i see is e.t. origin. also one last thing... if we are to assume that all those things i seen and photographed are somekind of anomaly created by my own will, then that right there throws janettes whole point out the window. am i so strong willed that i can make poepl around me see whatever i choose to make them see? do you see what i mean by the above staement mark? (no pun intended). please lets continue this discussion, let's assume it is not ufos of et origin or army craft... let's get into what billy said... can anybody help out and supply a direct uote? thanks. | ||
Janette Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 07-2004 |
Dear Peter I knew that I would get dirt on me when I wrote my message. But as you don´t know me better, you start to calling me paranoidic, stupic etc. but I am not. I am not try to make you look like a fool either. I can´t prove what I say but I trust what Billy has said or written. Why you think that I am negative intend here, but that is not true either. If someone gave me points, means only that they agree with me but I don´t care about points. I am out of New Age movements over 9 years now and I am very happy about it. I am just worried about you. That´s all. Best wishes Love & Peace, Janette | ||
Janette Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 07-2004 |
Peter, I never said that you lied. Did I? No, I just meant that you are going thru some certain things that you keep as they would be a truth, even if they not might be a truth? You obliviously want to belive so much in your visions and so called UFO things that you don´t want to hear any critic feedback about that. I can´t say what you saw at sky, but I didn´t see any space crafts, but UFOs as they are unidentified flying objects or some insect perhaps that flied too close to your camera object. You´re attacking now against everyone who does not agree with you and I tried to be so sensible as i could. But when people get upset like in your case, then he/she takes everything personally and does not think logically. I don´t categorize everything but I had to bring my opinion here even if i lifted cat to table. I am not going to argue with you about this thing. Love & Peace, Janette | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 166 Registered: 01-2004 |
jannete, i called you stupid etc... and i also wrote something at the bottom of my post... why you chose to pick at my negative remarks and not the last part says a lot about you and your observations. do i have to spell it out? here ..."i think you are paranoid or just stupid. if i am wrong about your stupidity then i apoligize and thank you for your geniune, caring, well meaning observation" you dont even know me and yet you worry about me. are you that great of a human being? dont you think it would be better to spend your time in other ways, if you care so much about people you dont know? why would you post on this forum and not email me or ask to speak to me through email in private? never mind about the 5 stars, that's just me thinking about all the possibilities. it's not an issue for me. i have as much confidence in my own self, as you have confidence in billy. i am not attacking and i can take criticizisms as i have been doing all my life. and considering you brought up what billy said, why dont you post the direct quote so we can get to the heart of the matter. if you really care then let's hear what you have to say. it is'nt fair to just assume this or that about me and my events, break it down for me. let's create a loving atmosphere, let me hear your real concerns and let's get into what you brought to the table... quote billy in relation to the point you were making. sorry for offending you, if you are sincere than i'd say your a pretty great person. but try to but yourself in my shoes... empathy. i think ptaah said somewhere, or some plejaren said empathy is really important, or something like that. | ||
Janette Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Peter I am sorry that I didn´t write to you personally first...my mistake. I also noticed about your last remarks and I accept them. I can care about of people that I don´t know because I am that kind by of my nature...I was thinking if you want to write with me personally? I did not meant any harm and If I did mess with something I apologize. I try to be your friend not your enemy. What got me worrying was that when I did read your experiences, it felt bad inside me because I had similar situation when I was younger and I did not know better about Billy. If you want to write to me then: janettemetso AT saunalahti. fi Love & Peace, Janette | ||
Paul New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2006 |
Greetings everyone, I just have a few questions for the moderators please. How is Mr Meier doing these days? I hope he is well and happy. If Mr Meier is still alive would he not be in his mid to late seventies? I am sorry for such sophomoric questions but I read volume 1 when it came out. My keeping up with things fell off drastically ie college 9 years paying off practices ect. My recent updates is old stuff off the net by Col. Stevens. I am intrigued as the information I am reading goes beyond my Volume 1 reedings. I guess I just want to get caught up to recent events. If there is a site I can go to and read I would be most appreciative for the info. Thankyou so much Paul | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 867 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Paul, To the best of my knowledge Billy is doing fine and is 69 years old this year. Scott Welcome to the forum | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 06-2006 |
Before i found out about Billy, I was lost for a while in all that typical New Age Spiritual movement stuff. I used to believe in all that "Starseed" nonsense crap, to all that other stuff too like every person in the world has their own personal guide watching over them. LOL. I can't help but laugh about it now whenever I look back at myself and remember all that (typical) New Age Spiritual nonsense crap that i used to believe in. I also can't believe I fell for it all too. So glad I found the Meier material. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 993 Registered: 02-2000 |
Paul, You will find these Billy Meier related websites interesting! www.tjresearch.info www.billymeier.com http://www.theyfly.com http://meiercase.0x2a.info/meiercase/index.php http://www.avilabooks.com/writings.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plejarens_are_real_2005/ My Website | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 994 Registered: 02-2000 |
I forgot to add www.steelmarkonline.com for the new Billy Meier english books. My Website | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 06-2006 |
Alex Jones Exposed! Is Alex working for the Zionists? http://www.opposingdigits.com/alex/ Sounds like nonsense? Well, this site has lots of very informative good info on it about this particular matter, which strongly supports the view that 'Alex Jones working for the Zionists' could very well be true. | ||
Paul Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 08-2006 |
Thank you Norm those sites will be of great interest to me. I will Read and be in touch with you later. Peace Paul | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 263 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Paul Don't forget www.gaiaguys.net which is so invaluable for all of us who forget the tremendous amount of effort Dyson and vivienne are putting towards keeping the truth and the translations alive whilst not a single appreciation is really expected from us on their behalf which they have sacrificed so much for. Thanks to everybody who are wise enough to know the tremendous amount of contribution that such people outside of the core and passive group is making towards helping to keep the truth alive brought to us by Billy and the plejarens. cheers | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 162 Registered: 07-2004 |
Alan, Alex's site is only useful when you are able to filter out the garbage. There isn't such a thing as a perfect source. Alex mans the frontlines for us who can't get in the face of the people who drive our planet to it's knees. Garbage in, garbage out. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Gorman New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2005 |
I couldnt find "Create New Conversation" button so i hope u dont mind me posting my question here. I did a search on Phil Schnieder but didnt find anything on the forum. The thing is that i just saw a video clip of a guy claiming that he shot 2 "greys" loosing fingers and toenails while doing so. A green beret lost his life when saving Phils life and thats not all he says, he claims that the Plejarens had to leave earth because their own planet is being attacked both on the surface and subsurface. Really interesting but i doubt its real but u can check it out for urselves here: http://www.alienvideo.net/phil-schneider-killed-alien.php | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 265 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum I was wondering what the plejaren ethics are concerning Cryogenically freezing terminally ill patients who have not long to live but deciding that they'd voluntarily undergo such procedure to be reawaken many years into the future once a cure is found? Since the plejarens state that the spirit can remain in the body if a person is cryogenically frozen immediately as has happened to samjase before, such thing can be feasible if the technology is advanced enough for people to undergo such procedure and have a another lease of life. I don't see the point in cryogenically freezing dead people who in most likely case cannot be reawaken due to their spirit form having left their body thus having nothing within to reanimate their old worn out disease ridden body once the technology is applied in curing the body of the disease suffered. I wonder what the plejarens position are on this, can they with the use of technology bring back a dead person whose spirit form has already left their body to the realm of fine matter sphere to recall it back to their former physical body? In my opinion, cryogenically freezing people will only impede the process of evolution because if the providence dictates that a spirit form will incarnate into a body whose life will thus be predetermined through genetic causes some what and by the personality it will thus have once born, then death, no matter when it happens should be accepted as also being predetermined through the laws of cause and effect to which the cause is the person whose comprehensive consciousness block will have thus determined the personality and character even before birth to then effect the time of death through the cause arising out of the personality, for example, certain characteristic trait of a personality being more prone to take up smoking, thus reduced life span and early death caused by the predisposition as well as the disposition to not be able to kick the habit, thus undermining the life span of the person. any thoughts? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 266 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Gorman It's lies, lies and more lies. Sure you got eyewitness testimony from disclosure project who are claiming that some aliens were killed whilst they were fleeing from their captors, shot dead and what not but if you take the core of the message ptaah relayed to Billy in the recent contact notes and elsewhere, such an incident would constitute a contact prior to the alien having been killed, which then brings up the issue of, what is the nature of a true contact with an alien? Thus if an ET were captured in any way, shape or form, it first had to have been confined, quarantined, isolated, examined, probed, questioned, interrogated, spoken to, held captive, etc etc etc. This would mean that Billy's conversation with ptaah about true contactees, contradicts with this notion thus someone is definitely lying and I wouldn't assume for one moment it's either Ptaah or Billy. Sure,Ptaah and Billy did say they can't mention anything pertaining to the military but military or not, a contact is contact and I am talking about face to face and so I would have to agree with your initial doubt, phil schneider is a lier or gravely misinformed. Cheers | ||
Djmc2 New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hej Peter Brodowski ,You can trasnslate all pictures what i put in this forum in good areas. Greetings for all high spirits forms | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 168 Registered: 01-2004 |
djmc2. i will translate it in the next day or so. but before i post it here i'll send you what i translated, as my polish is'nt my best language. but i am sure i can translate it properly. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 146 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear moderator I have noticed that already two of my posts have not appeared here, I am wondering if are they lost amongst ao many others? I will post one of them again: What is the significance of Jonah? as in Jonah who lived ?? in a whale? Thank you, | ||
Paul Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 08-2006 |
This is for the moderators. I have a suggestion in that posts should not be rated by any stars or any judgement for that matter. This only prevents some from posting questions or thoughts. Rating someones posts can be hurtful. What may be interesting to some sound like crap to others. There is not one person on this site who should think they are all knowing and so knowledgeable as to dis someone else's posts. Some on this site are just learning others veterans. When I see a post rated one star with one vote jeez just want to puke. So get rid of that. Allow those inhibited from posting to do so by preventing the know it alls from attacking. Hi Paul, I don't know if the star feature can be turned off or not. I will see if I can contact one of the administrators about this. There are people who want to keep the star rating system. I personally have never rated anyone's posts, and think if you like or dislike what a person writes than your free to respond or not. Regards Scott | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 04-2006 |
I just asked this question in the Billy answered question section and a moderator inserted this message below my question - "Hi Billy, I noticed there weren't any toilets in the photos of the interior of the beamships pictures. My question is how do the plejarens relieve themselves when they are scouting about in their beamships? Could you also tell me if the Plejarens use similar toilet facilities to ours too?" Matt, You have seen photos of the inside of the beamships? My reply - Yes, I did, in the pictures of the interior of the beamships in the book "And Still They Fly". I didn't see any toilet facilities there. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 167 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Scott, Regarding your question to Billy, I think you'll find this link to be of some interest to you. www.deeshaa.org/2005/08/04/abusing-children-teresa-style Peace in being, James Truthseeker | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 872 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi James, Thanks very much, I'll check it out. Regards Scott | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 268 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day scott Gees, the moment I read billy's answers to your question 831, I was shocked, stunned, betrayed, saddened, annoyed and even more p**s*ed off. The mother of all mothers who was revered by so many, honoured because she was worthy of the honour, respected because she was the rare gem among the glut of the profane yet for a brief moment, the world crashed down upon me because the mother teresa that I held to believe the person that she was, wasn't and reconfirmed my dreaded belief about the Catholic Church who I now believe didn't accelerate the process of mother teresa into sainthood because of the poor that she helped out but the children she betrayed and sold out in the name of the imaginary God she bestowed all that money to the catholic church for. I notice your latest question to Billy in this round and I am very anticipatory in what billy's answers would be. I tend to be rather forgiving yet brutally punishing when the crime fits the bill, but I reserve my judgement for later but in the mean time I just have to contend with the fact that Mother teresa may have shown false humanitarianism by simply being naive of the evil side of human nature and so she may have sent these children unknowingly to paedophiles, slave masters, pimps, etc thinking that they'll be well taken care of and away from the harsh environment she knew that offered the least chance of survival. Anyhow, it was a question worthy of respect, Thanks for asking it. cheers | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 650 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott.. Good for you to have asked concerning 'Mother Teresa'! Some criminal past she has! And everybody always thought she was a "Very Sweet Little Old Lady/ Granny"... Someone once told me years back, that when she was on some - Good Will - tour, or something, and to visit ill children, she would only visit the Christian related children; and the Islamic/Muslim children she would just ignore and pass their ward. She never did explain why, but many did draw their conclusions, of course. So, Billy mentioning her having a "Criminal Trait"...is not really that surprising, I would say ; but good for him to mention it. Edward. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 997 Registered: 02-2000 |
I don't always vote but please don't remove the voting system. Its a good feature. It saves the trouble of responding to a silly question. It also save forum space. My Website | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 04-2006 |
Matt, i read somewhere in the contact notes that the plejaren used little nutritional pills that had a 3 day lasting effect. Imagine for a while that you take a m&m pill and you don`t need to eat anything in about 3 days... Hard to imagine isn`t it? Will they have some kind of "Lucozade,Isostar,Aquarius that works 20 times more effective then plain water? With such nutritional power in so little space and so many other nourishment advancements they will have,i wonder: Will they need to go to the toilet 2 times a day like me? Or just once a week? <== well this is half joke/half reflection....Think also:They live 1000 years!.Their metabolism HAS to be slower! I think by the time they need to go to the toilet they have already reached their destination.(7 hours flight Erra-Terra). I think i read somewhere in the german forum that there is NO toilet in the crafts. If theres none,they will not need it,for sure....why suppose they need one? Mmmm...technology serving the peoples Hahaha... | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 169 Registered: 03-2003 |
Aside from toilets, I wonder what the Plejaren bathrooms are like, complete with showers, etc. Maybe they have sonic showers like in Star Trek and toilets which dematerializes crap and waste into molecules which then are used in their replicators to re-materialize new items and useful objects, including food. I heard once that a more advanced shower would consist of a body blow-dryer and a toilet bowl would consist of a warm water hose along with small jet blow-dyers which would replaced the need for toilet paper along with an added nice massage. Of course they also need a place to wash hands and face too. Other things to think about. I wonder if Plejarens gain weight when they reach middle age and I wonder if they have sports on their home-worlds. In their museum of earth transportation, I wonder if they have vehicles and craft which were once used in Atlantis, Mu, Hyperborea, etc, and I wonder if the Plejarens have Star Trek like Holo-deck rooms. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 01-2006 |
Billy - "Mother Teresa “produced” things she then believed to be real and true. Actually she was living in a religious-sectarian delusion. Mother Teresa was a serious criminal. She was dealing (selling) children and sending/donating about 2 billion/milliard $ to the Pope." What did Billy mean by mother teresa producing things she believed were real and true? Also how can a person who lives in religous delusion knowingly go and commit such evil crimes? Did she actually know what she was doing (criminal) and what was happening to the children going through her? I guess she must have because billy wouldn't have called her a serious criminal! I do not doubt at all what Billy says about mother teressa being a serious criminal, its just that I don't seem to understand how a highly religous person can knowingly go and commit such evil crimes against children and humanity, which they know is all against their religion. I can't seem to work that out how that could happen. Could she be loco in the head or something, and maybe have a jeckle and hyde split personality or is it all just sane criminal actions and behaviour? | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 184 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Hector, Maybe they do that when traveling interplanetary. On their homeworlds it seems they eat. If the system is not given nourishement (the Ps said nourishement is a universal law) for an extended period the internal system and organs atrophy. On our planet oxygenized water may be better than plain water due to our low oxygen levels, but personally I wouldn't touch Lucozade or Aquarius which are really just versions of sugar water. My health has improved a lot since dumping those so-called sports drinks. On another note, Hector, are you planning on relocating from the Canary Islands? Presumably you know the Ps and our geologists have said Cumbre Vieja is going to collapse and create a mega-tsunami with waves of several hundred meters in height washing up the shores of the other Canary Islands. Best, cpl | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 04-2006 |
ahh, yes hector, I didn't think about that. That must explain why there are no toilets in their beamships. | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hector, after exchanging knowledge/technology with the Timmers people from DAL universe during '70-s, the Plejarens don't need 7 hours to reach Terra from Erra anymore. They can bridge this vast distance with almost no loss of time at all. Now, they are able to transmit themselves wherever they need (why not in toilet at home for instance). Another thing is the mixture of the air in their ships, with more oxigen in air, they need less food, consumption of their energy is different. Another more thing is the use of spiritual powers. Billy's experiment with heavy chair is a very good example for this. Salome, Dejan | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 10-2005 |
Scott, It was a good question about mother Theresa. It was my understanding she was of high spiritual wisdom but apparently that is incorrect. Randy ô¿ô | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 04-2006 |
Cpl, I don`t panic about Cumbre Vieja tsunami.If i have to die,i will die.(Now i know a bit of me is inmortal,the spirit, i don`t care :D). In the case it would happen in my lifetime,i don`t think the tsunami will destroy the 7 entire islands.Facts are: - The tsunami wave power increases with middle distance(Florida and Cuba people have to be really more worried than me) - My Island reaches heights up to 6000 feet.I live at a height of 1800 feet.No wave can hit me at such height,unless that day i go shopping to town.Asia tsunami wave did not go higher then 1000 feet. About the plejaren and the toilets,they tell us what they think(logically) we have to know.No more,no less. There will be things they consider are not necessary for us to know NOW,but we could imagine. For example:Is it possible to have sex with a beautiful human look like android? => who knows! But that is not important related to the Geisteslehre,i suppose. (Taken from Philip K.Dick Blade Runner). | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 873 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Hector, You mentioned in your post you don't care if you die. I have heard people mention this before and am curious if your life was in immediate danger wouldn't you take every conceivable measure to save yourself? Even Jmmanuel was in fear of losing his life during his ordeal. There was a survey on the FIGU website a few years ago asking people if they were afraid to die, and over half responded they were not. I have always been skeptical of this and would like to hear your thoughts on this. Maybe I am misinterpreting what you stated? Regards Scott | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hello Scott, I don't remember that survey, but I admit that the thought of dying is a little scary. Rationally, I know that it happens to everyone and that it's a natural process. I just don't want it to hurt. On the other hand, to put a different spin on things, I just found out that my husband of only 2 years has cancer. Right now, I am more afraid of living (without him) than dying. Salome, Ardie | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello scott, i got an account to share about fear of dying, not caring if i die etc. years back i was living a fast life, and so at times it crossed my mind wether i would be prepared to die. at one point i didnt care if i died but didnt consider wether i was afraid or not. later i was of the opinion that i did not want to die, but that i would'nt be afraid if i was about to die. for a little while i wondered again and again if i am able to face death while maintaining composure and thought. after some wondering, the opportunity came in the form of a gun to the head and a knife to the throat. once i realized "hey wait a minute, these guys might just murder me" and at that moment i fell into what seemed like somekind of dreamy, timeless moment, a trance of somekind. all the noise around me shut off and the commotion was drowned out by my own thoughts. my exact thoughts which i remember to this day were "well, i guess this is it... oh well it's been a fun journey, goodtimes, good friends, i'm ready". then just as i said "i'm ready" it's like my normal everyday common sense just kicked in and i was brought back to normal reality, for a moment i considered fighting them off, coommon sense told me other wise. i gave them what they wanted and i kept my life. so although you may be afraid of dying, or not want to die, you may find that whenyou get to the doorstep into the world of feath, you may find it's not as scary as perhaps thought. or if you dont care wether you live or die, you may find yourself in check, by the master chessplayer, CREATION. and then you regret ever calling such a bluff. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 04-2006 |
Well what i meant is,if i have to change today`s home,friends,job and many things more, based on the premise of a future Tsunami,i prefer to play "russian roulette" with such natural disasters,and if i have bad luck,well,then i lose,like thousands of other peoples lives. But change my current lifestyle because there is a certain threat (prediction) of tsunami....No thanks. I`m not gonna panic.I expect there is no "inmediate danger".If it is,i wont bother my mind with negative thoughts.Just let it happen. Anyway i am protected due to the relative height of my home. I think Billy says that life termination due to illness and natural desasters can be regarded as "natural".That`s why i said i`m not worried.If somebody kills me or i commit suicide,that kind of death is more problematic. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 01-2006 |
"I think Billy says that life termination due to illness and natural disasters can be regarded as "natural". Hector do you know if Billy said this, and what does he mean by natural? Would the spirit of a person killed by a natural disaster still seek to have an extra incarnation (like if they commited suicide or murdered) to make up for the incarnation that was cut short? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 874 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, Thanks everyone for your ideas. I have had some close calls myself, and it seemed that time just completely slowed down. In one instance just before I blacked out briefly from a hang glider accident, I thought this is it...and then I felt or heard a voice (hard to describe) which seemed to come from the top of my head say "your not going to die"....I guess it was part of my intuition kicking in... Scott | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 185 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Hector, The geologists’ reports say the tsunami hitting other Canary Islands will be several hundred meters high. These are conservative estimates. You are at about that height. I am currently writing a paper on this for university as well as having had intuitions of it myself (before I knew what it was). The mega-tsunami of La Palma is, according to the best estimates by Swiss scientists, thousands of times greater than the Asian tsunami. There is literally no comparison whatsoever. One problem with their model is there is no precedent for an event of this historic magnitude. The popular media published very conservative figures re this event, especially concerning timing. The only real scientific figures I've been able to find on timing say there is a 50% chance of it occurring any year after 2027, and a 95% probability by 2214. I have not yet had premonitions of events lying obviously outside my own probable lifespan. I do think this will therefore happen in my lifetime. For what it's worth, however, I think it will be after a time of war, followed by famine, probably in the West somewhere. This is because Nostradamus, of course, also foresaw this event. I cannot say much more until after my paper is published next year. I'm just finishing it up now. I don't think anyone should just move home because of what someone else says or predicts. You are at a good height, though you might want to consider which way to go if you need to get up a bit higher -- though you might well be safe where you are. The highest possible waves will be about 900m or 2700 feet. So you would only need to get yourself up 300m maximum, though there won't be much time as the waves will be traveling at over 700kph. The initial 900m-wave will quickly decrease in height as it crosses the ocean, but the other Canaries are very close. If you're on Gran Canary you seem somewhat protected according to intial reports as waves there should not reach more than a few hundred meters in hight. Tenerife is in a more dangerously exposed position and waves there will likely be quite a lot higher. This event will, as our geologists -- and the Ps -- say, be the biggest natural catastrophe ever for humankind. Also I am recommending a certain massive engineering project that hopefully will avert the disaster from occurring -- if authorities take action. They know it is going to occur, of course – unless we do something. If it means anything, I am not expecting this to happen in the next 5 years, but twenty years out is a whole different matter. After all, there is a scientific 50/50 possibility then. One reason I am publishing this now is because it will give mankind time to plan a move if they think or feel it best, or necessary to do so. Those living on the east coast of the US and elsewhere may be at far greater risk than yourself at 1800 feet, Hector. No one should panic. There is no rush. Creation be with you, cpl | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 04-2006 |
I`m no authority regarding reincarnation and life cycles,but what i can imagine is,like there is a difference between prophecy and prediction,prophecy allows some kind of " free will or "degrees of freedom" and prediction does not,if you die due to natural disaster or illness that is quite unavoidable,and no external conciousness,human being or human spirit is involved in it. But if you commit suicide or somebody kills you,then other spirits,consciousnesses(external factors) are determining an abnormal termination of your life.And as far as i consider it,no other spirits,human beings,consciousnesses etc are legitimate to bring your life to an end,and you should be given a second opportunity by creation in those cases. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 186 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Ardie, Is your husband's cancer in advanced stages? I've heard pure pomegranate juice is really excellent for cancer. Guess you know about oxygenated water and other oxygen therapies. Warburg won the Nobel prize in the early twentieth century for discovering cancer cells thrive in a low oxygen environment. Here's a URL you might want to check out on natural approaches: www.westonaprice.org. Also you can get ayurvedic herbal formulas at www.himalayausa.com at very reasonable prices. Don't know if they have anything for cancer, but the ayurvedic "arjuna" beat popular heart drugs hands down in a double blind study in Scandinavia. There were no side effects and it is apparently completely compatible with other heart medications. Hope this helps, cpl | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 187 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Scott, Fear of death can mean different things to different people. Having experienced the mythic death in which one dies to oneself I can tell you it is the most marvelous experience--and more than anything taught me much about death, which coincides with what Billy and the Ps say, actually. I have no fear of death, however, there is always within the human makeup a natural drive or instinct to live, and live on, and hence avoid death. This is necessary for the continuity of existence. For some this drive for life and away from death would equate with fear, but it doesn't have to. While I have no fear of death as such, I would still, if need be and I had the strength, fight for my life. The pain that may be associated with dying or accompany it can be very fearful for anyone. This is what many people mean when they say I'm not afraid of death I'm just afraid of dying. If there's no pain or suffering involved what's to fear? Thing is, there usually is pain and suffering involved -- for us on earth. Best, cpl | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 876 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Cpl, Can you explain what you meant by "Mythic Death", is this something like surrendering one's ego?...if that's possible?? Thanks Scott | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Cpl, He has stage 2 prostate cancer and possibly stage 3 or 4 if they get in there and find out it has spread. We won't know until his surgery on the 19th. I'm very much into alternative treatments, but he isn't. He is at least taking his prostate vitamins and we've gone to an almost entirely fruit and vegetable diet. We're trying to get our PH level up to 7.5 or higher. Cancer is not supposed to survive under those conditions. I'll check out those websites that you mentioned. I'd like to get something that would increase his oxygen intake. I've read stories about people that have treated themselves naturally and been cured of prostate cancer. (The doctor says it's a waste of time!) I would like my husband to try that, but if it failed, we may have waited too long to take out the prostate. It's a good possibility that it's already spread according to the doctor's tests. If so, then every thing we are doing could still help. Thanks, Ardie | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 06-2006 |
Theres a small article at Gaiaguysnet website which mentions that electro-magnetic therapy is supposedly a cure for cancer. There was also a program on foxtel cable tv the other day with a scientist declaring that wearing a high strength magnetic type of belt for a few months will cure most type of cancers. Theres also many other scientists in the past who have discovered this too - Scientist Hulda Regehr Clark, The Cure for All Diseases (1995): "Research Scientist Hulda Regehr Clark, The Cure for All Diseases (1995), had saved her life. Clark is most famous for her electronic inventions and cures for cancer and AIDS, but to understand the true scientific genius and historical significance of Hulda Clark, an explanation of one of her predecessors, Royal Raymond Rife, is in order. Royal Raymond Rife was a scientist working in the 1920s and 30s, famous for inventions which might be considered "space age" by today's standards. (His cancer-curing Rife machine was called the "Beam Ray Tube" after all). Rife managed to make huge advances in medical science, among them a cancer cure found to be 100% effective, curing even the most advanced cancer in 90 days or less during clinical trials in La Jolla, California." http://clark.pamrotella.com/ | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hello Ardie, Likewise, I have read a number of books where people have cured themselves.I had a prostate scare a few years ago-prostatisis with a very high PSA level-I did not want a sample to be taken, bought books, did my own thing and in particular noted that those with prostate cancer usually die from other causes-old age! Having a great interest in health and alternatives, I know that it is the only way to go. Some possibilities:1)Dr Johanna Budwig(a biochemist)has treated successfully many cancer patients-supplying the lipoproteins to give the correct polarity across cells such that sufficient oxygenation occurs. Flaxseed oil/quark(or yoghurt, cottage cheese)mixture. Flaxseed oil is prone to rancidity. My wife and I take 2 tbspn seeds(blended in small seed blender-seconds)with 4 of yoghurt(non-fat)mixed with water, on cereal. Do an internet search.2)I am reading info by Russian Valery Uvarov re Wands of Horus (which I have). He mentions hydrogen peroxide;to quote:"if tissues are saturated with oxygen--the struggle against a process that has already begun will be far more active." Work was done earlier and ignored-injection into veins with no side effects. Valery gives a method whereby 3% H2O2(dropwise) is ingested to prevent/correct bowel cancer, but I dont think that this would get into the bloodstream. Valery gives a method -"Cancer sufferers should use the Wands of Horus Kont.""Among the confirmations of the correctness of such an approach are the results of many years of research carried out by the Russian Academy of Medical Science". The wands can be purchased at website Neilos;articles can be downloaded from there-this one is "Instructions for Using the Wands of Horus." I hope that this is helpful. Best Wishes, Charles the Kiwiseeker. | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 08-2006 |
Ardie, I forgot to mention. As protection for my prostate I used Beta Prostate tablets. These contain Beta Sitosterol(found in a number of plants-this is extracted from sugarcane) and Zinc. I have only recently stopped taking these after about 5 years, hoping that my total approach to health and nutrition gives protection. These come from the USA(I am in Australia-very expensive airmail)-www.wellnesspartners.com. Toll Free 18887797177. Furthermore:no pseudo fats(marg,veg fats),no heat treated oils(virgin olive,get more omega3 from fish-sardines,mackerel, avoid milk(and the calcium myth)& milk products, go for protective herbs/spices(oregano,tumeric,ginger, garlic). Virgin coconut oil is a great oil: "Coconut Cures"-Bruce Fife; given a bad name for economic reasons;quote-"avoid sugars, take thymus extract,antiox. supp.,vitC &grapeseed extract, cayenne pepper capsule with meals(increases O to cells),get sunlight(not midday)." | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Scott, In my case it was the Thunderous Silence of Zen. It has been given many names down the ages and has many different characteristics depending on the person. It has also been called the Transformation, though there has been a lot of meaningless hype around that term unfortunately. Simply put, it is when a tremendous surge of energies completely overwhelm one and ones sense of being -- though one is perfectly conscious and not hallucinating or "seeing" anything -- cascading through the body up into the brain. It is a completely incomparable feeling and ecstatic experience in which one seems to become absorbed into the universal consciousness. It seems to roar through the body and one experiences death -- or what one imagines is death. You are gone, no longer there, and no longer like before. The body is there but mine felt completely hollow afterward. Like a shell. As though one is just a spirit living in a body that moves. This is not always the case in daily activities since, of course, when one is demanded to focus on self as being something. Ones ego consciousness becomes like a small point on an ocean of greater consciousness and in a sense it goes wherever one puts ones focus. In this sense it is the death without dying -- because your body is still actually here but the old former consciousness is not. This is talked of in many mythologies and hence sometimes referred to as the Mythic Death. The consciousness is changed permanently by it. From my experience of it I know there are three levels to this. I experienced it to the end of the second level, when it occurred. The Buddha, for example, would have experienced this to the third stage. As you know, Billy, would regard this as just a fantasy, something that doesn't exist. Of course, it isn't any "thing", and Zen has long said it doesn't exist, but it certainly can be experienced and brings a level of understanding relating to death and the real meanings behind many of the world's mythologies and beliefs. Because it is so difficult -- impossible -- to actually describe, mythologies attempt to anthropomorphize the experience for the populace, but then misunderstandings and erroneous beliefs based on ignorance surface. One of my first thoughts after the experience was, "Why haven't I got some advanced scientific electronic equipment wired up to myself so that a comprehensive display of all brain activity, energy, emanations, frequencies and wavelengths, could be printed out before, during and after the experience; thus definitively documenting and recording the changes that have occurred?" I believe this will happen for someone at sometime in the not-too-distant future. Here's an account of what I wrote immediately after the experience: Experienced the Thunderous Silence: A force, sound and power roaring and reverberating through my being. Wave after wave of bliss coursing through the body. Things look different. All is changed. Everything is both great and minute. Everything seen as both within and without. All is a matrix neither solid nor void. Me too. I am a hollow vessel. I see the endless stretches of the universe everywhere. Reality is both magnificent and insignificant, a joke and a job; but I see no work: Just the handicraft of existence woven by Creation and mankind. How marvelous is life. How full of significant insignificance. The light coming from my ballpoint pen as I write this at night, a blazing sun penetrating the darkness of the cosmos in my bedroom. A universe before me swimming with life, as vast as all the seas of earth; yet as static as a solitary stone at rest before my eyes on a gray and windless day. The closest thing I have ever read to this experience is Billy’s flying to the other end of the galaxy (?) and experiencing a kind of bodiless feeling that due to its ecstasy almost made him weep. Billy's experience was obviously different, though if equated it would at least be the third level of Mythic Death, but it was, of course a completely different type of experience, but I sense there was some kind of similarity on some levels. It is an incredibly physical experience and is absolutely ecstatic. In fact it was so beyond anything I had imagined I couldn’t weep. I am sure the experience ushers in genetic changes of some kind. What changes, we will have to wait for science to tell us when it catches up to these things. Hope this answers your question. Or perhaps it throws up more than it answers. The works of Joseph Campbell can also give you an insight to what the Mythic Death is. Very best, cpl | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 02-2006 |
Dear Ardie, if you have time, please visit this site: www.todoxin.com With best wishes. Salome, Dejan | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 879 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Cpl, That is very interesting, thank you for sharing your experience. I wonder if that is anything like what is mentioned when the inner spiritual light of the sohar shines through in Billy's book The Psyche? Thanks again Scott | ||
Miraj_raha New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 09-2006 |
I have read the whole article at gaiaguys, and i think he is not someone to be topic of discussion nor should we try to "analyze" him, to do that would be futile. However I have a question! Does billy know about the philosopher "Ramakrishna" in India? If yes, did he say anything about him? | ||
Language_of_the_birds Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 06-2006 |
 Mother Teresa FRAUD Billy - "Mother Teresa “produced” things she then believed to be real and true. Actually she was living in a religious-sectarian delusion. Mother Teresa was a serious criminal. She was dealing (selling) children and sending/donating about 2 billion/milliard $ to the Pope." TJ 3:16. "You brood of vipers, in two times a thousand years you and your followers, who pursue false teachings out of your own arrogance in your greed for power and fortune, shall be vanquished and, on account of your lies, punished. TJ 13:19. "You brood of snakes and vipers, you distorters of the scriptures who, because of your greed for money and power, spread false teachings;... TJ 7:21. "Beware of false prophets and scribes who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are like ravenous wolves, preaching to you about submissiveness before shrines, false deities and gods, and preaching submissiveness to idols and false teachings. TJ 7:22. "Beware of those who forbid you access to wisdom and knowledge, for they speak to you only to attain power over you and to seize your goods and belongings. Truth from Talmd Jmmanuel. ******* Mother Teresa FRAUD The Following Feature Appeared in Germany's STERN magazine on 10 September 1998 on occasion on Mother Teresa's 1st death anniversary. Source: http://members.lycos.co.uk/bajuu/ "...The millions that are donated to the order have a similar fate. Susan Shields (formerly Sr Virgin) says, "The money was not misused, but the largest part of it wasn't used at all. When there was a famine in Ethiopia, many cheques arrived marked 'for the hungry in Ethiopia'. Once I asked the sister who was in charge of accounts if I should add up all those very many cheques and send the total to Ethiopia. The sister answered, 'No, we don't send money to Africa.' But I continued to make receipts to the donors, 'For Ethiopia'." ...  "No matter where I search, I only find lies. For example the lies about schools. Mother T has often stated that she runs a school in Calcutta for more than 5000 children. 5000 children! -- that would have to be a huge school, one of the biggest in all of India. But where is this school? I have never found it, nor do I know anybody who has seen it!" says Chatterjee. "Mother Teresa?" says Samity, "We have not received anything from her here. Ask in the slums -- who has received anything from the sisters here -- you will find hardly anybody."  Gold and Riches: The God of Mother Teresa ..."You should visit the House in New York, then you'll understand what happens to donations," sayssays Eva Kolodziej. The Polish lady was a Missionary of Charity for 5 years. "In the cellar of the homeless shelter there are valuable books, jewellery and gold. What happens to them? -- The sisters receive them with smiles, and keep them. Most of these lie around uselessly forever." The pope beatifies Mother Teresa, a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud. By Christopher Hitchens Posted Monday, Oct. 20, 2003, at 4:04 PM ET "...This returns us to the medieval corruption of the church, which sold indulgences to the rich while preaching hellfire and continence to the poor. Mother Teresa was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction. And she was a friend to the worst of the rich, taking misappropriated money from the atrocious Duvalier family in Haiti (whose rule she praised in return) and from Charles Keating of the Lincoln Savings and Loan. Where did that money, and all the other donations, go? The primitive hospice in Calcutta was as run down when she died as it always had been—she preferred California clinics when she got sick herself—and her order always refused to publish any audit. But we have her own claim that she opened 500 convents in more than a hundred countries, all bearing the name of her own order. Excuse me, but this is modesty and humility?..." "...One of the curses of India, as of other poor countries, is the quack medicine man, who fleeces the sufferer by promises of miraculous healing. Sunday was a great day for these parasites, who saw their crummy methods endorsed by his holiness and given a more or less free ride in the international press. Forgotten were the elementary rules of logic, that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. More than that, we witnessed the elevation and consecration of extreme dogmatism, blinkered faith, and the cult of a mediocre human personality. Many more people are poor and sick because of the life of Mother Teresa: Even more will be poor and sick if her example is followed. She was a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud, and a church that officially protects those who violate the innocent has given us another clear sign of where it truly stands on moral and ethical questions.." Read more here: http://www.slate.com/id/2090083/ And more here: Mother Teresa's House of Illusions How She Harmed Her Helpers As Well As Those They 'Helped' http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/shields_18_1.html Diejenigen, die das Mysterium erfahren, reden darüber nicht. Diejenigen, die darüber reden, haben das Mysterium nicht erfahren Versuche nicht, über das Unaussprechliche zu reden, "Those who have experienced the Mystery don’t speak about it. Those who do speak about it have not experienced the Mystery." Lao Tse | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Dejan and Kiwiseeker, Thanks for all the suggestions. Some of it I've heard about and some I've not. I'll look at the websites. I thought that prostate cancer wouldn't be much to worry about either, because it is supposed to be slow growing. But they rated my husband's as a grade "7" 4+3. Which is worse than 3+4. It is fast growing and we will be lucky if it is still contained. I ordered some oxygen drops and alkaline drops for him and he is already taking Prostate vitamins with Beta Sitosterol. I'm hoping all this will slow it down until his surgery and continue to control it afterwards. He is determined to have the surgery, even though it can have some unpleasant side affects. He doesn't trust the natural remedies, but he is humoring me "somewhat". Thanks again, Ardie | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 189 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Scott, "I wonder if that is anything like what is mentioned when the inner spiritual light of the sohar shines through in Billy's book The Psyche?" (Scott). As I haven't read that, and I presume it's not available in English, I cannot say. Looks like it would make a very interesting read. cpl | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 69 Registered: 01-2006 |
Regarding the cancer cure discussion. I knew someone that had advanced colon cancer (given 4-6 months left to live) who as a last resort decided to go see someone in the states to try that electro-magnetic therapy, which Alan had mentioned of before. He came back three months later fully cured of cancer. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 172 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Scott and everyone, I figured this would be a good time if any to share my comments on the "fear of death". I admit, a once belief in something like a heaven along with a peaceful existence following death was for me in my younger days a contemplation even to look forward to following ones life, but now you can imagine my initial disappointment to eventually learn that life after death now takes on more the image of a mindless comatose existence in a kind of purgatory or bardo until at least ones next reincarnation. And if that isn't bad enough, we now even risk an even greater possibility of being reincarnation into further dysfunctional families and health deformities. One of the greatest horrors I've discovered is meeting so many people who had to undergo even far worse domestic family violence then myself. Much of which likely leads most people into further imposed psychotic schizophrenic disorders and disabilities. And if that's not bad enough you can imagine the even higher risk of being reincarnated into a disabled and deformed body do to ever increasing substance abuse, pollutants and radiations now becoming ever present in our environment, but not just in our possible future lives, but also involving an agony of 800 more years of such agony incarnations to come. So many more women may become the victims of rape while so many more men may become the victims of future wars. For those of you who've seen the movies, "Reign of fire" along with "Star-ship troopers", I'd say the next 800 years of reincarnations for everyone could turn out to be one really agonizing rough ride. But there is one thing concerning the Plejarens which I've often wondered about but have yet to question. If the Plejarens find it so difficult to understand the thinking of the Earth human beings, do they also realize the very high rate of human survivors of domestic abuse and violence which regrettably still continues and is likely to continue all over the planet. One guy said to me that all ET groups should leave Earth altogether rather then just standing by watching so many people live in agony. Peace in being, James Truthseeker | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 190 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi James, Don't forget there will be some truly magnificent advances in all areas in the coming centuries. This century is the big challenge. If those alive now, live reasonably long (to be forty-five or until 2025) by the time of their next incarnation things will likely be much better than they are now. Sixty years on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are far better than they ever were before. IMO by then we will have scientifically proven the existence of the human spirit; be living much longer -- as the "aging gene/s" will have been found and corrections underway; global humanity will be far more united than it currently is; and we will have greater brain and mind capacity (putting it simplistically). One aspect of a prophet's job is to point out the problems so they can be averted, rather than to concentrate on how great things will start to become or be. We face an unprecedented danger, but even if we fall, it pays to remind oneself we will get through it. The advances in medicine and genetics alone will completely change the nature of our existence for the better, even long before the turn of the century. Concentrating or focusing on the bad stuff doesn't make it better; while doing what one can to steer away from the bad, concentrating on the good coming and making it happen and better does. Hell on earth will pass and we will take our place in the heavens; but the best things take time in coming -- like good wine, Cheers, and toast the future, which we will do our best to make so much better. cpl | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 175 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey james, i agree somewhat that all the e.t.'s should leave rather than watching people in agony. but at the same time, i dont know what goes on in their heads as they watch all these horrible things. i dont see the difference if they stay or go, they only push us in the directions that they thihnk we should go in. as they've said, if things got bad they would just leave. they will continue doing what they want regardless of how we feel, in my opinion. also, i'm sure when they watch a woman getting raped and then having her throat slit,,, i'm sure it affects the plejaren in a more deep and svere way then with us. what with their deep understanding of life and all. seems like the universe is fair with every person, but it's other people who push their will on others that messes up any balance and fairness (is that a word?). also, i would like to think there are some understanding and sympathetic e.t.'s out there. i watched some t.v. show where this woman re-calls her real life experience of getting raped, as the man was raping her, she started to beg for him to stop, but not out loud, like praying to the heavens or something like that. after a moment or so (dont know if it was a minuteor more) as she was looking up at the sky, she seen a "star" flash or something, then race across the sky. right when this happened, the man violating her just simply got up and apoligized to her then ran away, before even finishing what he started. she was convinced it was angels, who knows... maybe there are e.t.'s impulsing people for more thanjust scientific advancement etc. | ||
Lonnie Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 12-1999 |
Dear Ardie, Here is one of the best ways for dealing with prostate problems that I have ever seen. Your husband may not even have prostate cancer. But, if he does, this may really help. http://rhinopublishing.net/Books/prostateproblemsrelief/index.htm To find a doctor skilled in natural medicine in your area, contact the American College for the Advancement in Medicine at www.acam.org, 949-583-7666, or 1-800-532-3688. Ask if they are familiar with the work of Dr. Douglas. Kind regards, Lonnie | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 147 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Moderators, My posts have gotten lost, I wonder where did they end up going? 1: a questin about how the future will look after the year 2025 when the Age of Aquarius is materialized? 2: a response to Newinitiation and my experience with jewish friends? Hi Meli, Are you posting them in the right areas? I would recommmend if you want to post an answer to someone, but your response doesn't fit the area, post it in the right area, and usually people will find it. Hope this helps... Regards Scott | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 191 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Ardie, Received info today from Dr Sears, Dr Wright, and Health Sciences Institute on recipies and remedies for prostate cancer. If you'd like the info and links email me at gbcyd@yahoo.com and I'll email them to you in an attachment. Take care, cpl | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 173 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings CPL and Peter, IN either case whether humanity takes a turn for the better or for the worse, it's now appearent that we could end up in some very hard times ahead and yet to come, but that doesn't mean we can't hope for the best. Wether we like it or not it look like we truly are dust in the wind. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 148 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hi Scott, I thought I was posting them in the right areas, or was I? they were of general topic so I posted in 'miscellaneous". You know by the time I get to this D/B it's usually very late at night, like now it's 11:26 PM and this is the time when everything has finally quieten down at home... maybe I get muddled up occaisionally because it's quite late, I am sorry. Hi Melli, It happens to the best of us! | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hello Alan and Lonnie, Alan, I forgot to mention that I am familiar with Dr. Hulda Clark. I had her book, but loaned it out. I make simple colloidal silver generators occassionally for family and friends and I use it frequently. It really does work. I also have a zapper, that a friend made for me. It's been a few years since I've used it, but I have thought about getting it out for my husband. I think I'd having trouble getting him to use it though. We'll see. Lonnie...my husband had a biopsy done, so I don't think that there is any doubt that he has the grade of cancer that the doctor claims. He says that prostate cancer is a hormonal cancer and that there is nothing that WE can do to cure it. I don't believe that! There is so much information and testimonials available that says otherwise. My husband is willing to do a certain amount, just in case it helps, but he's convinced that the doctor is the only one that can really help him. I read these stories about men who have cured themselves in 90 days and have never had a reoccurance and it makes me really sad that the doctor is going to go in and do something that will cause problems that my husband (and I) will have to live with for the rest of our lives. Impotence, being one of those concerns. According to his doctor, there is a high probability of that. If it is completely contained, we may be alright. He thinks he's doing the right thing and I don't want to push and push him into using only alternative treatments, just to find out they didn't work and he looses his life because of me. It's a bit of a nightmare right now. I just hope we have good news when he does go in for surgery. Salome, Ardie | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 886 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Ardie, This may seem a little far out, but I was thinking what if everyone here on the forum, was able to send your husband some type of energy during the time of his surgery. Maybe this would aid in his recovery and healing? I don't know if it would work, but I am sure there would be no harm in trying. Salome Scott | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hello Scott, I would welcome any help at that time. His surgery is September 19th at noon, Mountain Time. Thanks, Ardie | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 366 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Ardie ; Much good luck to you with this challenge . I agree with Scott about this , please let us know when the surgery is so that we can all focus some clear healing energy towards him . Don't give up on trying to convince him to be proactive ; I think the best way to describe it is that a person can let someone else do the work , or they can get in there and turn the cells with their own effort of will . It impressed me to see a program in which a young boy was dying of cancer , and he received a video game as a gift to spend some fun time with . The video caused his body to respond with a survival instinct , just like video games simulate as virtual survival, and was healed of the cancer . Salome , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Paul Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hello Ardie, It is a fact that concentration in healing,prayer chains etc work. This has been scientifically tested and do believe has been published in the New England Journal of Medicine. Dr. Depak Chopra also has books on visualization and healing. Concentrate on getting the immune system to attack tumor sites. Good luck Gods speed we will all be praying for you. salome Paul | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 888 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Ardie, Just a side note, you mentioned Colloidal Silver, what is it used for? I have heard about it for years, but never really looked into it. Thanks Scott | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Scott, There is a ton of information about it on the Internet and it could explain it better than I, but I'll try to give you some idea. It works like an antibiotic. Bacteria can't survive on silver, that's why silverware is made of silver. I've read that pioneers kept silverware in their wells and silver dollars in their milk to keep it from going bad. You can drink it, apply it to the skin, and use in the eyes or nose. We've used it for all kinds of infections. It seems to work particularly well for tooth aches, bladder infections, and toenail fungus (normally it takes months and is quite costly to purchase medicine for this, but I applied a soaked cotton ball to my husband's toe with a bandaid for just a few days and then forgot about it. It cleared up very quickly after just those few applications. The only known side affect is that your skin can turn blue permanently if you drink too much. Supposedly, 3 cups a day is alright, but I've never used that much. If I'm really sick, I might drink 2 cups. A few days, usually takes care of the problem. I'm rarely sick though and never get colds when everyone else has them. I think occassional use of the silver water may be the reason. It is also supposed to be useful in treating cancer and anything else you can think of. The generator only costs me about $20 to make and it costs pennies to produce the silver water. If you purchase a bottle of it over the Internet it is a lot more expensive. Hope this helps, Ardie | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 06-2006 |
"Good luck Gods speed we will all be praying for you." Gods?? Praying?? Why bring those two imaginary nonsense things into the discussion? | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 02-2006 |
I have been taking shots of colloidal silver,,as well as using a magnetic pulser,,,also a device which circulates milli--amps of current through my blood.The Beck protocols(yes Dr.Beck was U.S. military,,,working with low frequencies weapons and such). Combined with a diet of whole(living)foods and so I continue to harmonize with my environment. Let me say that Beck proved this stuff before his death,,and was hassled by FDA(and such). I can't remember the last time I was ill.Infact when I was purchaseing this stuff{SOTA},, the person was not allowed to state anything other than it benefits health,,but no further indepth abilities of this product. I even make my own silver,,,LOVE,, salome Pudd | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 208 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hey all here is last weeks link update to breakfornews.com audiofile *warning explicit lyrics* http://www.breakfornews.com/audio/NextLevel060831a.mp3 Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 01-2006 |
Thanks Tjames. I find Fintan's comments and views on 911 and world government related issues very informative. I think he is very good at analysing these type of issues. What do you think of Fintan's spirituality, evolution and universe related talks? Have you heard Fintan's TreeIncarnations audio file, if so, what do you think of it? I didn't think much of it at all, and think he'd better stick to talking about political/conspiracy issues. I think Fintan must be a skeptic of the Meier material because I noticed that he doesn't mention anything about the Meier material anywhere at his website or at his forum. So i emailed him asking him if he has research any of the meier material yet, but I never got a response back from him. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 06-2006 |
Tjames, do you think that Fintan is right about Alex Jones being a CIA plant in the 911 truth movement, for the purpose of discrediting the 911 truth movement? | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 06-2006 |
I've noticed (starting 3 weeks ago) how suddenly there has been a lot of unusual single 'worst rating votes' being registered on a lot of people's posts here. (Mainly other sections of this forum.) This seems to suggests to me that it is one person who has started doing this and who is probably responsible for all these sudden 'one worst votes' being registered on people's posts around here within the past few weeks. I also think that half of all the posts within the past few weeks that this person threw a worst vote on, in my opinion, they didn't really need or deserve one on it. I mean like the posts had nothing really written in them that I thought anyone would even consider or go to the effort of giving them a worse or a best vote on. Speaking of the two worst votes on the above two posts, I'd just like to say that I'd prefer people posting in to explain why they think theres no truth to the question I asked in my above posts, instead of them throwing a worst vote on it, because that doesn't help me with finding out the truth/answer to the question I asked there. I also don't think that question I asked there sounds far fetched or anything either, and think it could very well be true. What Fintan said in the radio interview regarding Alex Jones and the 911 truth movement seemed to make a lot of sense to me as being true. I hope the person who threw that worst vote on my post above, puts a post in to me, to let me know why they think or know why there isn't any truth in that question i asked in my prior post. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 149 Registered: 06-2005 |
I will try once again to post the same question, hopefully I am in the right area: Planet earth has entered the stage of the Age of Aquarius and the year 2029 seems not that far away. I was wondering How will the world be perceived then, What can humanity expect from political and religious aspects? will earth people begin transforming their thinking and behaviour because they have finally come to the realization that there is only one truth, the truth of Spirituality? I realize that with the availability of the internet word will spread very fast but How will it manifest itself? What can WE do to help? | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 209 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Tony and Alan, I heard his spiritual talks before and I was turned off, for obvious reasons like I am studying material that apears to be far more advanced and accurate with evidence associated with it provided in the Meier contacts. I don't care who votes let people vote, I like democracy it's also a form of expression. But as far as Fintan's fine art of dissasembaling world event related issues and not only extrapolating the "wheat from the chaff" but presents it in a way young people will be more prone to "agree" and find it more interesting than lets say the 10 o'clock news which has practically lost all focus on world events. I can remember only ten years ago when there was a "World events segment" that held practically a good solid 10 minutes; now, in America we are squeezed down to measily 30 second and in good examples 1 minute of explanations of world events. And , if you notice in the news, the coverage is not objective it is biased as all news is to a greater or lesser degree. Fintan's baias extends only to the contstraints of his Irish Catholic up-bringing and having publicly weighed practically all the variations of conspiracy theories which, him being a pioneer in the field of Alternative News is categorically sequestered by and is atune to, but not limited by. In other words Fintan has baiast's as we all do and I only have to think as far back as my parents to discover and understand the depths of my upringing/baias. How do I judge Fintan? By the measure I judge all other things to the best of my ability which, in itself is my point. I think he has a uncanny knack for analyzing and his choice of medium is an attractive change of pace. I am a 23 year old college student and have been following Fintan for his devotion to revealing his "unfiltered" side of the story, which doesn't always line up with the truth, but neither does every human story now does it. Why I would listen to an Online Journalist who staunchly questions the official story of 9/11 and especially the U.S. Governments (at various tiers) intentions while simultaneously making errors deemed such by the very medium we all have chosen to communicate through the figu forum and it's bylaws and knowlege. I strive not to hold prejudice and it has landed me here. I stick with Fintan because the vast majority of his political ideas or "theories" have actually accorded with the "fallible" words of the Plejaren. Were not perfect and we're all in this together so all the more reason to search for the truth in un-likely places... or the likely ones. If we don't rely on our own discresion we don't grow. Fintan steps up to the plate, like Micael Horn. Is Fintan as educated in the spiritual sciences or take place in the peace meditation? And he has not responded to my emails about Billy Meier, and believe me I've sent them. So for some this would be reason enough to dispose his words like the weekly trash, but for others like myslef, I save a place and keep an open but critical mind. He may not be as educated in specific spiritual matters as many of us, but he has a keen intellect when it comes to the political arena and that is his focus. He was absolutely right about the American election fraud back in 00'then again in 04' and his hard work revealed some statistics I used in a speech which quoted the same number of "fraudulent votes" stolen that were later was corroborrated by a Plejaren investigation into the cheated election by the Bush Adm I found it at his website first. Is he always right? Ofcourse not, Is he close? probably. But, I don't doubt that his number one goal is to go after the truth! Also, I dont' know about Alex Jones, he's too crazy and hot headed for me to listen seriously to, plus he draws connections that I have not understood nor (admittingly) spent the time to. As far as the mysterious voter, it's up to you, I just registered to vote in my hometown electoins so I respect ones right to do such things. I will continue to post newcasts by Fintan unless moderators object, but to those who found them even "somewhat usefull" hats off to ya! Tim Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 368 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Alan ; No , it wasn't me , but I wanted to share something with you . I have sometimes felt some kind of honor when someone gave me a one star here , or criticized me harshly at other times in my life . By now it just doesn't matter to me . It only hurts you if you think about it , so it's good that people will try you , because it gives you the opportunity to use the control of your mind in that specific regard . This is something I'm no master of at all , but I recognize it , at least . Mark Campbell | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 889 Registered: 12-1999 |
Alan, I think the "rating" system is rather childish and I would like to see it removed from the forum. The whole point of any forum is for discussion and exchange of ideas nothing more, nothing less. Scott | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Markc, Scott, yes i agree with you both. I was just trying to say before that if someone thinks a particular question I asked is not valid or any truth to it, that i would prefer if they would kindly let me know their opinion why they think/believe any particular questions i might ask is not valid or has any truth to it, instead of them just throwing a worst vote on it, because I don't learn nothing about any particular question I might have asked from seeing a single red star vote casted on my post/question. I'm also not asking if this could be done just for my questions, but for the benefit of all peoples questions, because I've noticed this done quite a few times before recently to other peoples questions too. However i do think/feel its quite ok and good for people to throw worst rating votes on posts that they don't agree on the contents with, because that is a good way to show the author of any particular post that you are in disagreement to what they said. But not on questions. | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Melli, Let me tell you the way I understood the Age of Aquarius, it is simply that our earth is entering into an energy field of the central sun. Having that in mind, the answer is kind of already given. The age will manifest itself by energies that we can ignore if we wanted kind of like impulses, were more and more people get into doing good things. And eventually after a few hundred years peace will be more wide spread. It is kind of a time when people can progress spiritually more then any other age, so instead of ignoring and missing this opportunity. It is advisable to spread the truth, by the truth I mean things like ET’s existence, overpopulation etc…, doesn’t need to be about the Meier Case when talking about the truth. Since alot of humans are still not ready to comprehend the Meier Case. Regards, Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 655 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott.. Yes, I agree totally with you! I will stick to what I previously said: that I am not here for the Ratings, or what ever...but just to post my views and opinions. Edward. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 01-2006 |
I would not like to see to get rid of the voting system, because I use the voting system regularly as a means to show my agreement or disagreement to the views and comments of other forum posters posts. Many others do this too, so why get rid of the voting system if it is being used regularly by many forum posters. I think it would be a shame to see it go just because a couple of people are not using it properly. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 163 Registered: 07-2004 |
The rating system is a easily manipulated, unchecked tool for anyone who desires the need to siphon off momentum of a unfavorable post, or highlight a post that forms purposefully constructed agendas(neg or pos), or the more innocence tool of an immature or suddenly put-off poster lashing out with a negative flagging. I'm sure the majority are just posting the ratings for their feelings towards a post. We'll never lock down the reality of what it is or isn't doing, but it works your mind as you see fit, because you personally choose to allow that. We're all the cause and effect, silent or responsive, of our polling info and if you don't agree with something so simplistic, cast it aside and be done with. Which could be, by the way, be it's best value as we practice our skills of knowledge and learning absorption. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 03-2006 |
The other thing about the voting system is that any fool can come and rate things AND NOT BE A MEMBER. ANYONE. This opens the door for intrusion alot from the outside and troublemakers may misrepresent the actual feelings of the figu population. If people didn't misuse it, there would be no need to abolish it. If people have something to say, they should SPEAK UP. That's why it's called a discussion board. I personally think that the rating system is misused by a mischevious few to get some kicks, or I don't know what. I expect to get a LOW rating. I don't care  . | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 150 Registered: 06-2005 |
Thanks Junior, To add just my own observation to yours; lately I have been attracting (?) people in their 30s+ asking me questions about realities beyond ours, and I must admit my heart smiles in hope. Naturally I can imagine a brighter future because my information is carried to others who carry it further and deliver it to their friends and the ripples are flowing further to those who seek... I guess it's about being the quiet achiever... as we all are in our individual and special way. But with my jewish friends who like to argue about the authenticity of the bible I recommend they read Ezekiel in particular and they are quite shocked to hear about him. Just yesterday I went to listen to David Suziki who is here on an "autobigraphical tour" and I can't stop myself from thinking that there is a possibility that he may be receiving impulses from our friends above; as I read in a book that I bought, he mentions the reality of alien life on far away galaxies and how "earth is possibly being visited by scientists who travel through the cosmos in search of life elsewhere, and on their journey they observe the expansion of the universe and feel the rumbles and reverberations that are the echoes of the Big Bang and of Creation thirteen billion years ago", how everything is interconnected from life in the ocean to the smallest insect etc. and of course he also mentions over population. I wonder if Al Gore is also one who is 'helped' in order to help humanity??? and his new movie 'The inconvenient Truth' will be showing here soon, did somebody see it yet? | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 06-2006 |
Yes, I think it would be good if the moderators could make it so only figu forum members can vote for posts. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 369 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Melli ; I saw Al Gore's movie , and it was particularly attention grabbing , although I have to admit having thought beforehand that it would be somewhat boring ; it was not . All of the various efforts on behalf of freethinkers all over earth are making a difference . Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 893 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, This may be one of those stories I may never quite understand. I knew a woman at work who died about 3 weeks ago. This happened as a result of a rafting accident which occurred in South America. The day before she was to leave for this trip she was bidding her farewells at work. The woman who told me this story said she had a bad feeling about her friend making this trip and felt unusually concerned. This woman who made the trip also told another one of her office workers, and this other woman also had a bad feeling or premonition concerning this. Later that afternoon the woman who passed away was noticed pacing up and down the aisle in front of the office of the woman who told me this story. She got up and went up to her friend and asked her was everything all right. She asked her more details about her trip and felt alarmed about some of the activities her friend had planned, including the fact she did not know how to swim. She asked her are you sure you want to go and she said she had to. The woman who told me this then hugged her friend and they both broke into tears as if they were saying their last goodbye’s without even realizing what was happening. Later in the week, the news came through that this woman had died in this rafting accident. I have thought about this incident and am trying to resolve what had occurred. Since the woman felt a nervous about the trip and so did her friends, should she have gone? Were these feelings a warning to herself and others that she should not go, or were these feelings communicating a sad event that was about to occur and there was nothing that could stop it? Was this event “destined” to happen, or by using common sense and paying attention to ones intuition this could have been prevented. Does anyone have any thoughts about this? Thank you for listening Regards Scott | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 194 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Scott, These types of events are always intriguing. What stands out here, to me, is the young lady said she had to go. Perhaps key here is whether in this she was listening to her intuition, or listening to her friends she had promised, thus feeling a sense of obligation that was essentially unnecessary to feel. It may not answer the question, but it might focus on the issue presented her: Do you follow your intuition no matter what, or do you follow feelings of obligation towards others no matter what; and should you even do either? There is no reason she had to do the latter if her intuition told her otherwise. If she was following her intuition perhaps it was her time to go and she had to experience death that way or in that place for some reason, On the other hand, maybe it wasn’t a correct intuition, but rather just a vague feeling that she allowed herself to be guided by unnecessarily. Perhaps only while dying she – or her spirit -- really understood and learnt the lesson contained in the event. It is oft said, “We never know the calling of another.” Best, cpl | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 894 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Cpl, Thanks very much for your insightful comments, I like your quote “We never know the calling of another.”, how well put. Regards Scott | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 179 Registered: 01-2004 |
i have a thought scott, i myself years ago, before discovering intuitive abilities etc. would often times find myself feeling either uneasy at times or just having this unexplainable realization that something negative will happen. time and time again i would go against those feelings only to run into trouble. then there came a point where instead of ignoring these warnings, i decided to stop testing them and just listen to what my mind and body were hinting to me. because of this choice i have avoided much danger in my life. i remember one time the feelings were so strong that i felt like i wwould vomit, and my hands were drenched in sweat. i would say that the woman who died in the rafting trip was propably experiencing the same things as me (although obviously we wont know for sure) and she was very nervous, and propably crying maybe perhaps because she did not understand the things she was experiencing and she expressed her frustration and worry through crying. about a year ago i decided to challenge my inutuitive feelings and once again i proved to myself that those intuitions were very real and reliable. now these days i use 50% reason and logic and 50% intuition and feeling. if i feel uneasy, i dont wonder about it, i simply understand that it is intuition and danger of some sort is soon approaching. i dont think it would be destined to happen aside from the fact that she planned this and decided to go ahead, not knowing what but that there would be something amiss. so like billy said, we shape the future depending on plans we make or thoughts and intentions that we have. it makes me sad to hear that someone was sensitive enough to pick up on coming dangers, but simply did not have the knowledge to make a safe decision. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 895 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thanks Peter, it truly sounds like you have been through some hard knocks in your life...I appreciate your comments Scott | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Scott, this is my opinion of what I think could have happened there concerning your premonition of your friend. I am not saying I am right here either, but merely offering my opinion of what I think could be a plausible explanation for what happened to you and others that had that experience. Isn't it a common experience for most people to get worried or have bad feelings/vibes about a friend or loved one who is going away on a long trip somewhere, or who is about to do some kind of activity that has risks involved? Don't people often tell their loved one (just before they leave) of the negative feeling they experienced about them going on this trip, and telling them that they are really worried about them? (do people often do this as a means or gesture to show their loved one that they care about?) Isn't this a common feeling (fear their loved one won't come back) that a lot of people experience toward a loved one who is going away on a trip somewhere for a while, or about to do some activity that has risks involved, like rafting? Going on % here, accidents happen and people die, and when they do, any people that may have experienced this common type of negative feeling/vibe about something bad happening to a close friend of theirs that died, would typically start to believe that the common negative vibe they had about something bad happening to their friend was a genuine premonition, when it wasn't? | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 06-2006 |
Scott, mistake in my last post, I meant to say that "this is my opinion of what I think could have happened there concerning your friends premonition", and not your premonition. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Scott, As to the lady in South America dying in a rafting accident... It has been my drive to go there, to the Amazon River in South America several times, maybe four or five. It stemmed from being interested in the fauna and flora there. The unknown is cause for fear until you experience it, experiental learning is very important and necessary, we're here (on Earth) aren't we? Cpl and Peter bring up a very good point in treating this as a warning, but until we learn from our mistakes we cannot grow. Experiental learning gives us confidence and knowledge, which changes to wisdom and finally power. It does that whether we are alive or dead, because our experience goes into a storage bank for our spirits to grow in power. We are not only our bodies... it is only a vehicle. We never lose the knowledge we learn. We may lose our life from time to time, but the beautiful truth that Billy Meier imparted on us... we live again and again. We come from a source that has the ability to create UNIVERSES... and does! We glean exactly what we are meant to glean, learning and gaining knowledge experientially. The Creation makes no mistakes, it only provides learning experiences. Until we get the message The Creation leads us to... we will be shown that lesson again and again until we learn it, many many times. Many people think of eternity as what happens when we die. Think about it... in this scenario we are dead... FOREVER! A very scary thought as this is the unknown to us, due most likely to a consciousness block placed upon our physical being blocking full spiritual awarness so we do not become affected by our previous lives. But if you know we are spirit within body and that spirit is truely us, the body only a temporary vehicle... you KNOW, we are living in infinity/eternity. We may not see this until Arahat Athersata, when we are able to remember all our past lives and the lessons they have shown us. There is a very rich section of the area I live. These people are billionaires. It is interesting, they get married and three years later divorce, never learning very much. This is a good analogy of the difference between spirit and physical life: fine matter/coarse matter life. My friend who is my age and have known for years is in such dire straits, alone, unhappy and reacting to everything as if it were a personal afront to his life. He was married six or seven times, a honeymoon with the wedding party in Tahiti for three months (including the wedding party), yet he is still unhappy. The lesson here... is growth does not occur when everything is easy, we tend to live easily and not really stretch ourselves to learn. When it is hard, though, we learn lessons that stay with us forever. So, by going through hardship, suffering and pain we learn life's greatest lessons. They may be considered accidents and unfortunate occurences, but often are lifes' greatest gifts, teaching us lifetimes of knowledge giving us power to make our way in this life with enthusiasm and verve, rather than shrinking and nervous reacting to life as if it is out to get us. So the message from Billy, that in a certain amount of years (probably billions) we will reach Arahat Athersata, this higher level of spiritual growth and we will have essentially, everlasting life, (which we have anyway but don't remember...) because we will then be allowed to remember all those previous incarnations, millions of years of knowledge. Einstein used to say he could find out a lot about a persons' perception by asking one question: "Do you believe in a hostile or friendly Universe." What we percieve is very much like what we experience. Since it all filters through the mind, and we would not have a bad day if we were in a coma... right? So you can rest assured, the choice your friend made, was correct. It was the right choice, she HAD to do this. It was her purpose. When you start living a purposeful life, that is... be pro-active rather than re-active, I.E. reacting to the hostile environment you find yourself in, rather than going with the flow... all the while dreaming and inventing your possible future... you find this place of peace that is like no other... You are never so alive... as when you're in your dreams... awake. Thoreau  Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronuciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 166 Registered: 07-2004 |
Scott, Knowing a person who cannot swim, and knowing that person will be in a life-threatening, rapidly moving water event that clearly dictates the ability to swim at an advanced level is an absolute requirement, would set off such a basic human warning vibration any caring person would not be able to block out these subconscious warnings. Women are naturally more protective towards others and felt the logical impulses from their spiritual selves of what the totality of such an arrangement could likely produce. The women who were feeling these impulses were likely sensing mental experiences as if they were in that raft and suddenly swept over into the water and struggled to breathe. I know my mother could always feel my pain the times I was injured. These two office ladies are very likely reliving this pain at simple moments that remind them of the lost opportunity to help another with a life-risking decision. My thoughts see this as another result of what the residual effects of religion has done to humanity. The knowledge of reliance on ones-self, and the spirit power that is within us all, has been the religious target for disabling society for centuries. I can only offer you what I have written and it's only one man's imperfect thoughts. I just hope you, and the others you work with, can heal each other and eventually use this experience in preventing any similar, future events. To say your experience was valuable to your spiritual growth, may, to some people, sound selfish, yet these moments are rare, and to not grasp Creation's markings of our spirits powers, is as sad as the preventable lost of the woman's life. Thanks Scott for sharing this part of your world with the rest of of us. Take care. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 06-2006 |
How can a whole planet blow up into millions of peices just by forcing sea water into a volcano, as is the case with Malona? We have many undersea volcano's on earth where the pressure is so great that it must somewhat force sea water into the volcano's, perhaps not as great as must have been on Malona. I am still puzzled how this could have happened to Malona. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 172 Registered: 07-2004 |
The physics to create such an event would of course be a chain reaction started from the first vent filling. The first explosion could create a massive crater that ocean water could fill as well and eventually blow up. A threshold of the planet will likely be breached at some point where the crust is unable to contain the molten interior and a complete unbalancing of the oceans over the lava continues. Does the word, 'Supervolcanoe', to the extreme, begin to become one of the possibilities? I really don't know the true mechanics of this destruction, but a planet and it's unnatural end, are possible at the hands of irresponsible humans. Heat and cold suddenly meeting creates most of our natural weather events. Add man, and BOOM! a friend in america Shawn | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hello Everyone, I'm happy to let you know that my husband's surgery went well and so far there is no evidence of the cancer having spread. We'll know more when a pathology report comes back in two days, but things look good right now. Thanks for thinking of him! Salome, Ardie | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 127 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Ardie, I'm glad to learn about this good news, and I hope that the good news remain good. Salome, Christian | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 903 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Ardie, I am sure that is a relief for the both of you, best of luck! Kind regards Scott | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 378 Registered: 06-2000 |
No worries , Ardie ! Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 06-2006 |
now that I've found the billy meier material (true spritual teachings), will I find it again in my next incarnation, or now that I've found it, will I have raised the chances of finding it again? Also what can be said about the level of spiritual evolution of the all the people (here) that have found the meier material and are studying it? Also does numerology play a role in people who have found the meier material here, e.g - they have a 7 (seeker of truth/metapyshics) somewhere in their numerology chart? I'd really appreciate some feedback on all these questions here please, thanks. | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi, The pathology report came back negative. No more cancer. We brought him home today and he promptly passed out on the floor. I called an ambulance. I was afraid he had a blood clot come loose or something, but he was just light headed and fainted. It was scary, but he will be fine. Won't need radiation or anything like that. I have all kinds of good natural stuff to give him. Thanks everyone! Ardie | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 905 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Ardie, Thanks for the update...great news! Scott | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Alan, Regarding the first part of your question on post 57 as I noticed no one answered it I will tell you what I know about it. Well for a while I was busy with the same question since I found the spiritual teachings now, what are the chances of me finding it in future lives?. From reading different things on FIGU and Billy’s books, and the conclusion I came to is that the chances are low. As for the reasons of my conclusion is that Billy and AA also teach that the concept of Karma is incorrect. There exists the action-reaction but only within a lifetime. The explanation goes on to say that when a human being is born, there are no effects or any thing carried on from previous personalities. For the simple fact that every time you are born you are given the chance to make choices that are not effected by previous life times, so when its regarding the truth a person will be confronted with choosing it with a freewill rather then being influenced, or being an inborn instinct or any other form. From it the spirit learns to find the truth in many different forms or ways. The best thing to do is trying to achieve as much as possible in this life time, and maybe even spread the teachings so that there is a bigger chance we would be confronted with the case in our next lifetime. Regards, Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 906 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Junior, You forgot to factor in two things, impulses from the Akashic records and the accumulated wisdom within each persons spirit...evolution is a continuous process. If each person started over completely from scratch how would we progress? Yes it is true we start out each life with a new personality, but the personality is only part of it. The spirit continues its development from the point it left off at as I understand it. I would say our past lives due have a bearing on how we do in each succeeding life. Mistakes which were made in a previous existence if rectified and learned from generally aren't made in the same way again, because you have in a sense learned that lesson. Yes it may be true it seems we have to start out each life over again, but the learning process is accelerated, based on our previous efforts, which aids us in achieving a "higher" level each new lifetime. I think based on the level of spiritual evolution, the spirit will naturally be attracted to the level of knowledge that it needs to progress which would account for those who are attracted to Billy's material and those who are not.....what do you think? Scott | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 273 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone has heard about kal korff's accusation that some member of solar temple cult went in and out of what he terms "the meier cult"? I realise what usually comes out of korff's mouth is often spin spittle but has he any reason to think that at some point before those from the solar temple cult committed suicide that some may have had knowledge pertaining to Billy's case or may have even been to SSSC? Matt | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 274 Registered: 07-2005 |
I really don't want to scratch what is otherwise a nearly healed wound injured long ago but seeing Kalliope Meier in the one of the documentaries unashamedly calling her exhusband a lier was a very sad and regretable sight, especially with her accusation about part of the wedding cake ufo being made with a trash can lid that looked very similar. I wonder whether part of the seed of the breakup was initially sown by the malicious influences of the gizeh intelligences with their telenotic devices even though they were deported all those years ago. There is no such thing as a happy breakup nor is the war of the rose a happy affair with an happy ending thus it should be a wise thing for me to stop it there. | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Scott, Yes you do have a few valid points I would agree that there are certain impulses from the akashic records recorded by previous life times, but from what I understood is that it is very limited. Because if it was a common thing, then I don’t know why Billy would spend time writing his books containing the code. I wasn’t really thinking of every life time a person starts from scratch but rather that the knowledge gathered or interests of past life times are not usually carried on to the next life time in the personality specifically. Which is why Billy needed to be educated before being able to utilise his powers. I would imagine that if one does choose in a next life time to pursue interests similar to the previous life time it would be easy to learn and progress in that field, but it is a matter of free will. I see what you mean about learning a lesson, but what are the chances that one would be faced with the exact situation, as we know that although even in a life time problems or difficulties keep on repeating it self, a lot of the times they have different variables that seem to be a repeat but in fact it isn’t. And for sure the learning process is accelerated, when the spirit evolves. And you could be right about being attracted to the level of knowledge provided by Billy’s material, that is why I was saying that we need to work on the material and spread it so the chances are higher to be confronted with it in next life time. Because if the information is hidden, what are the chances of finding or being confronted with the teachings. Regards, Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Junior, After receiving an email from Billy concerning our future progress to Arahat Athersata, where we will all eventually arrive... The average time span per "spirit form" is about 60 Billion years, more than enough time for the laws of probability to place us specifically where we need to be for continued spiritual growth. Whereas, Quetzel, Ptaah, Semjase, Sfath in their lives, since they are spiritually/physically advanced comparativly to us... (1000 year life span) remember their past lives which to me, is a few steps closer to everlasting life or Arahat Athersata anyway... To me, that is a relief, in that, it is not forever... It is only 60 Billion years. And if we don't get into war and find peace... it will be less time than that. For example Billy arrived to Arahat Athersata in a very short time comparativly to average. As Michael Horn says in his latest DVD, we could be a "butt kicking race" in a few thousand years if we pay attention and go by the rules of Creation. We can arrive at a stop sign while driving and we can stop or drive right through. The chances of getting through life without a ticket, though... are much greater if we don't pay attention to the laws... like Creation. As Scott mentioned, our spiritual records are kept in the Akashic record, but what about the Van Allen Belts? It seems to me, have read something about them being involved as well...what is their function/purpose, or can we know at this time? Anyone know? Really enjoy your posts folks, thanks... Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronuciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Scott, this may not be in the right area, please place it where you deem most worthy, the message is for Anthony J. Algna. Hi Anthony, Yes it's Randy... And, am not an authority on the Meier material, just an interested student... like yourself. Political Science... it's kind of like Jumbo Shrimp isn't it?!?! There is physical as well as mental and spirtual competition, Billy appears to practice the latter. Of course, we are responsible for protecting ourselves. As a younger man, he was probably very physical and he was indeed "The Phantom" and participated in the French Foreign Legion enforcing law on international criminals. Being one of the oldest known spirit forms he knows better than any of us, the need for standing in what you know to be true.  Competition on the physical/romantic level is a form of genetic perfection. Survival of the fittest, it may not mean overly active agression which causes suffering to those you must live with peacefully. Eduard, the keeper of the treasure does this with love. Firm, but with love. Physical competition (such as war) is not a form of peace, yet the Plejaren have lived in peace for 50,000 years. As to the body being our true nature, it was my understanding that our true nature was spirit or at least our higher advanced true nature. Apparently barbaric behavoir, war, and competition are necessary in the formative stages. Jung, a person in touch with the Akashic record, or collective unconscious as he called it mentioned four archtypes: 1. Athlete 2. Warrior 3. Statesman 4. Spirtualist So as the Athlete we are interested in building our body, basking in the glory of this wonderous vehicle we are lent. Then, we get more knowledge and fight for what we believe in, not know, but believe... Later in life we have more wisdom and "know" how to help those of less intelligence and finally we discover the importance of the unconscious and spirtuality. This is probably true in the physical mind as well as the spirtual one. Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronuciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Future_cats Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 09-2006 |
Hi Randy, Thanks for the thoughtful reply to my questions. However I had hoped that we would further explore the possibility that competition is not a law of Creation because it is not a universal constant, like the law of gravity for example. However, what we might be looking at is a Creational directive for human progress. I don’t entirely agree with your Jung archetype progression. In my opinion, an evolutionary advancing human could easily be all four together: an athlete, a defensive warrior, an intellectual and statesman, as well as person concerned with being spiritual. I see Billy as being all four: an athlete in the sense of his hard work on the Center grounds, a defensive warrior as the Phantom, an intellectual with his studies and writings, and of course Billy’s spiritual Mission. Athletes are not necessary the lowest level of any human types. To be a good athlete can take just as much discipline and focus as being a doctor for example. Competition drives an athlete to constantly discover his mistakes and then correct them, an invariable step to making the individual a better design more often. Anthony J. Alagna | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Anthony, Again, I, like you, am just learning this stuff so we can help each other, your questions are good. The only dumb one is the one you don't ask. Jung reference: Man and his symbols. The Plejaren were warlike in their early stages of evolution. So it may indeed be a Universal constant if these folks (our ancestors) were involved in agressive negative behavior. Billy describes it as part of nature, part of Creation. War as diplomacy, are forms of aggression or competitive behavoir... possibly not so prevelent in the more advanced forms of humans. Games are probably played but possibly not with agression, lying or illusion as normal modus operandi. If games are played they are probably on a higher more loving frequency more involved with helpful creation rather than personal gain of monetary or superficial recognition. Creation is continually growing and if a game creates growth, then there you have it. As to universal, being, larger than planetary, the Plejaren call what we call galaxies: universes. Creation is of course infinite, as are you. Just an observation but have not read in the Meier material, why do you think they call them liars? I mean Lyrians? This could be a trait of our ancestors of the Lyrain galaxy (where Nokodemion was from but no longer exists) and the Ring Nebula (where some of the Plejaren are from) both Lyrians... the spelling is a little different. The Plejaren are closer to the stage of Arahat Athersata than us. Arahat Athersata requires an average of 60 Billion years of evolution to become more spiritual beings. Although it took Billy quite a bit less time to get there as he followed the laws of creation. If memory serves correctly he did it in 20 Million by keeping in line with The Creation. We, on the other hand, are a mere 20 million years evolved and they, our ancestors... who found out earlier through careful concentration upon the laws of creation; a non-violent way of expressing their agression, hostilities and competition. It has been over 50,000 years since their last war. But they still had an agressive nature and is indeed a formative part of creation. It was folks from Sirius who created our former warlike bodies inhabited by the spirit forms (really a misnomer as there is not physical in spirit, hence no form) within us today... We at that time had a genetic time manipulation limiting our 1000 year life span with genetically increased agression, to 100 years. We will find, according to Herr Meier, and correct this time limit via genetic research. Whereas, Quetzel, Ptaah, Semjase, Sfath in their lives, since they are spiritually/physically advanced comparativly to us... (1000 year life span) a few steps closer than us to everlasting life or Arahat Athersata...  Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronuciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 280 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum members I was wondering if you dear forum members have heard anything about Rasputin or if there is any mention of this person in any of the contact notes. This person figures quite prominently in respect to the czar of russia, the downfall of their empire and the start of WW1. This person had supposedly cured the son of the czar with his paranormal powers and won their support and admiration which lead to them becoming more dependent on his council, expecially of political in nature. The unusual gaze and deep penetrating eyes of rasputin is unforgettably erie and puts shivers down your spine. I cannot help but conclude that he was one among many of the contactees of the now deported gizeh intelligences who've had a hand at directing his psyche, thereby ushering in of the calamitous war which ended with millions dead. Any feedback is much appreciated Thanks Matt | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1023 Registered: 02-2000 |
Matt, I was curious as well & I was going to ask Billy but it fell lower & lower on my questions list. My Website | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 308 Registered: 03-2004 |
It seems Rasputin might not have been QUITE the bad guy history portrays him as, (due to the fact that his political opponents are the scribes/revolutionaries). I don't think this is anywhere in the (FIGU) published material, but is just something I heard recently on the FIGU grapevine, without any further details. Might it be a good question for Hector on the German language list? And don't forget, Matt, that the Bafath puppets always take BOTH sides of every argument. | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 06-2006 |
this exerpt is maybe relevant about Rasputin and the guardian Angel he called Astra: ...... "That Astra led him through the outlying lands and in each of the twelve provinces a new part of his soul was purified and balanced. Now a mad man no one understood, he was ready for his final test. She seemed to leave him. He wandered until he found himself far away lost in the dark night. Before him arose the vicious Dragon of all his dishonesty, confusion, and lovelessness, every image by which he had betrayed himself. He saw the truth and said, "I love you and reclaim you and restore you to your proper place." The Dragon dissipated into its elements and each was sent to its proper place where it would be a jewel. Astra appeared and told him to go forth, heal, and be known as Rasputin. From that he was known as the "devil incarnate." Rasputin in Russian also means "debauched one," which is translated to someone who is lead astray morally or corrupted. As a holy man, not a monk, some would say he did a less than acceptable jobs as he preached that the way to redemption was to give in to sin in reckless abandon and then repeat. While on this journey he was believed to have seen the Virgin Mary and with that gained recognition. " I remember reading a book about him when I was a teenager --- Whether he was deluded, or being influenced by others for undisclosed purposes, beneficial or not, would be of passing interest. No matter what, he had a powerful influence at a crucial time in Russian history. Best Robyn | ||
Torrent Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello, guys. I would appreciate so much your tips and perspectives on my ironical situations. I have struggled a lot, more than anyone could imagine, for the last 7 years. I am still young, in my early 30’s, but have experienced so many painful failures and frustrating situations mostly related with my career or job. I always tried to find jobs or business fit for me, and tried hard to get them or make them successful, most of them in vain. I am quite sure that I am highly competent and energetic with a substantially positive attitude and passion, but somehow, it didn’t work out. I always wondered why. I should say, it always came down to luck (only one word I could find…good enough to describe about something out of my control, such as toughness, vision, endeavors, will power etc.). Though that idea made me more frustrated, I eventually tried to find a balance in my thinking, seeking a neutral-positive state of mind. Though I had many reasons to blame on other factors, I didn’t. I just had to start all over again. I also know that I thankfully have learned a lot through those failures, on the other hand. However, I had another 2 major failures this year alone. It was so bitter, but now I putting myself back again. Then suddenly, I met these nice people and they offered me an amazing job. Huge responsibilities and benefits, though they want me to take a charge in a fledgling business. I am quite sure I make this one successful this time. Before, I was just failing to get an opportunity I had pursued long time or just couldn’t achieve a success due to a lack of support from the company or partners. But this time, there are good and supportive people, with a very promising business service, and proven record of success. And they are all devout Christians. Yes, very religious people. Everybody in the office is a Christian and they work and pray together. They even hope that I can also go to the church with them so that I can enjoy the blessing of the god and know the true meaning of leaving my life in the god’s hands. I never thought of becoming a Christian or having any religions. I still believe in the Creational Laws and try to abide by them everyday. But learning, understanding, and practicing Creational Laws has never given me chances I deserved and the Christianity is ready to give me that. What do you think I should do? I strongly believe that job or career success is not that important in a bigger life picture. Through numerous reincarnations, we will have many jobs and learn lots of experiences and lessons. It is hard to say that even Billy has had a successful career in modern world’s standard (basically based on how much he earns), which is a good proof that spiritual growth and learning has nothing to do with a material or career success. But the reality is, we need to make money to make a living in this world, and the more pay is better than the less if we invest the same time and energy in it, and we want the maximum rewards and the sense of success in what we do everyday. As long as it is not too greedy, I think it is ok we want a better job, more suitable for our aptitude and capabilities. I think I just got the opportunity, which I have been waiting for …. so long. But should I really take it… by discarding what I have believed in so long as well? | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hi Michael, I like how you have redone the front page of your website with all the handy links on the right hand side of the page! Its much better now! | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 319 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Torrent, You have my empathy. You write: "I am quite sure that I am highly competent and energetic with a substantially positive attitude and passion, but somehow, it didn’t work out." I think I know why you have had such bad “luck”: “If not controlled, work will flow to the (most) competent man until he submerges.” And, “In every hierarchy, whether it be government or business, each employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence; every post tends to be filled by an employee incompetent to execute its duties.” (http://members.dca.net/leipold/ap_ma.html) I know from personal experience that “Luck” can often take a long time to arrive, and grief often seems a requirement for future joy. Look at Billy’s life. He says, “Only when one has experienced hell can one experience heaven.” (Or words to that effect.) If I were you, I would take the good job with the nice Christians, and use it as a test of how well I could keep my big mouth shut. Just keep living your happy life along creational guidelines and do not pretend to adopt your co-workers’ miserable ideology. In other words, set a good example. “Words are leaves. Acts are fruit”(OM) Fortunately, “good” Christians pride themselves on their religious tolerance, and cannot perceive any contrary world-view as anything other than another religion, so they will probably not hassle you unless they are Evangelicals. You will be doing very well indeed and they will wonder how you can be doing so well without “Jesus”. Keep quiet and allow the curiosity to build. Then provide a very very subtle clue as to the source of your strength, peace, freedom, etc. perhaps in the form of a FIGU peace sticker on your car or inside your locker or maybe mention (only if asked!) that you draw great spiritual inspiration from the Talmud Jmmanuel, but you wish to keep your personal spiritual matters private. Many of our friends who are enslaved by “Jesus” are utterly bewildered by the fact that Vivienne and I SEEM to be good people who have enormous personal power IN SPITE of the fact that we are so anti-religion in general and anti-Christian in particular. Let them try to THINK, for a change. Who knows? Maybe you will win some “converts” to the truth, which will set them free, just as it (still) says in their Bible, and maybe it will empower them, too, in spite of the fact that the scribes and the Pharisees removed that bit. Good luck! Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 285 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Torrent Hi Torrent, it's good to see that you may have overcome the dark periods that have plagued you many months ago where you and us spoke about the issue of suicide and I may have formed a wrong impression that you may have been at some point 'suicidal'. But I guess, no need for me to rehash what is already water under the bridge and that hopefully, you have found the inner strength that won't allow you to relive the painful past that often we forget how much influence it has over us, in the present, if we don't remain vigilant. I decided to stick my nose in the hope that I may have something to say that can be of help, if it can. I gather you maybe in agreement with me on this when I say that such empty words as 'oh, thats life, just deal with it' has an irritating feel to it that negates the real pain that we individually went through, that we don't fully seek from another, the indulgent sympathies as such but more just a glance of brief understanding from the heart that seem to have this magical power of uplifting our spirits to go on and be strong. Dyson's post said it loud and clear, which I am also in accords with, as it is from the heart. Another being's affirmation and just matter of factly 'I understand truly' that I cannot describe in words because it is beyond it and more far reaching in it's depth. We do feel your pain, the disappointments, the anguish, the broken heart, the loss, the frustrations, the heavy weight on your shoulders that you've been through and still carry to some extent and we move alongside for you and with you because we've been there in the trenches of the gnawing depth in the wilderness and darkness, such desolate place but there is light Torrent which you may have accidently stumbled upon in the most unlikely place. I gather that your inquires have more to do with the uncertainties you have of being in such precarious situation that present it's unique challenges but also potential opportunities where you must decide whether go to the net and volley or run back to the baseline from the no man's land and hit a forehand or do neither and lose the game. My only recommendation is that, don't give up on the truth and Creation for the short term gain. Keep it with you, in your heart because it'll make you stronger than you realise and may have even helped you through the darkest hours that you may not readily see now but something that'll become more apparent further along this journey in time. I solemnly think that wisdom of Creation and spirit works indirectly, in a mysterious manner unrecognisable immediately but something that'll be self evident as the situation unfolds itself with time. Please remember it and Dyson's words of wisdom. I thank you for this opportunity. Cheers Matt | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Torrent, Not being a councelor or psychotherapist please take this information with a grain of salt use your brain. It is given as from Matt and Dyson... with love. I can only speak from my own experience and just because it worked for me does not mean it will work for you. Although... the secret to financial sucess (just another energy system) is repetition. But more importantly: What one man can do... another man can do, is true. Women too, of course. Sometimes we struggle, have concerns, find things difficult or unruly because we fail to "go with the flow." We fight what is right and end up spending way too long much time forcing an issue that does not line up with the laws of Nature, the Spiritual laws of Creation. Separation rather than togetherness. We are all in this together and the sooner we realise this fact, the quicker we grow, both spiritually and materially. In helping others, we really help ourselves. You can do what is right and have a nice happy life, but is that what you really want? For example the rich, I mean... really rich, have everything, so what do they look forward to? Look at the life of Jmmauel... not easy... yet he is very spiritually advanced which is far more important than financially advanced. It is our imagination, the laws of creation that make us happy. Some people are so rich I call them "45 going on 14" because they don't grow, life has not thrown them any hardships or downfalls so they never grow. There is no incentive. Hardship provides incentive if not just to prevent the reocurrance of the bad experience. We grow when we experience hardship. "Wow, I won't do that again..." said from a place of experience... a place of knowing rather than being told what to believe or what's in this book is true. The best advice ever in my life was: Do what you love to do. Enjoy what you do or don't do it. And if you don't enjoy it, find ways to enjoy it. That may seem existentialist on the surface but really means doing what you're meant to do... without ego or what others' feel you should do. What is right in your heart. Now... understand this does not mean thinking with your heart, just doing what you do with love in mind, thinking of others. The hard times of our lives prepare us for the good times to come. By experiencing failure we learn life's greatest lessons. It sort of makes our happiness yardstick that much longer and the frame of reference of suffering creates a more wide expanse of experience, stronger, more tenacious, more vibrant in spirit. Of course this is all brought to you by a man of material body, not really knowing everthing there is to know about spirit but keeping the non physical in mind. Instead of focusing on what you don't have, focus on what you have to work with and go from there. New start up companies "go great guns" for the first few years and then often collapse on their face due to inexperience and unforseen circumstances. If you're doing what you love, this was a great lesson, it is easier to cope with. You write about sucess, that is different for everyone. The media will tell you it is about this object you can "own" or this place you can control, but sucess is really feeling good about what you do. (E.G. Being there to help others is a sucess for me.) Sucess is a figment of the mind which is like a thermostat which can be set to whatever you want. What does the thermostat control? The subconscious, our link to the non-material which is closer to spirit than the material. There was a man who taught me about using the biocomputer we all have, our brain. His name was Maxwell Multz, funny name, great guy. He wrote the book Pshyco Cybernetics and was a friend of my family. Another person who taught me by example was Anthony Robbins, who at the time was teaching firewalking seminars. He was a janitor the rest of the time, yet, now he has a resort in Fiji and a castle like house in San Luis Obisbo in central California. All by perceiving what would be optimal as far as his talents and abilities were concerned. As to Christianity, not being religious makes it hard to answer that. Whatever floats your boat I guess, but in my heart (I.E. seeking with love) feel that is not right. Because like what was mentioned earlier, it is about what "feels" right what you were "meant" to do. Not because it is cool or because it makes money, but because it is something you would do even though it may be the reason for your demise. You are dying to do this. There was a man whose name escapes me at the moment who wrote this: What would you do if you had unlimited time, unlimited money and unlimited support from your friends and family? Then he said to do that. The money any bank will loan you and time... well it's the opposite of space according to some sources... My wife and I wrote we would have a house in the area we wanted to live by a certain date and we both signed it and left it by our phone. Each time we used the phone we subliminally reiterated our goals and in fact they came true. A little later than expected but true non-the-less. Signing it, making the commitment to shape your life in the way you want it, not extravegantly, but making a living... you end up with what you want. Idea,Imagination,motivation leads to implementation. Be the person you aspire to be. Oh... Maxwell Multz used to say, 90% of any job is thinking you can do it, the other 10% is doing it. This dosn't leave much for the details, but thinking you can do it is a substantially large part of any problem. Also, Creation... it's not a person or being, but more of a force or power. This is what is behind our lives, Creation. We could say we operate under the laws of Creation. Another way to say that would be, everything is happening exactly as it should. It only gets difficult when you fight the way it should go. This is a force has the ability to create worlds and does. It doesn't make any mistakes. So why fight such a powerful force? It's like gravity, you can't fight it, unless of course you have the new Plejaren star cruiser.... but here on Earth, in this existance, if it is between you and gravity, gravity is gonna win. Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronunciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. PS> All that is real, never changes.  Lao Tzu | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 919 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Rarena, In my mind, it's really hard to know what is going on sometimes. If a person is suffering from something whether it be physical or mental, it's really hard to know, to me, if there is a purpose in it or not....sometimes certain situations are irreversible based on past mistakes, and even though you know I will never commit that error again you can be reminded of it constantly. I know I have heard the statement reflected in the contact notes you have to experience hell to know heaven, but how does one really know that is true? Sometimes I see people who have "easy" lives and wonder why them, did they suffer in earlier times or lives, or is "easy" really living somewhat a shallow existence? In times when I have gone through something hard, all I think of is how to deal with it, and sometimes I try and remind myself this will pass, but it doesn't really make the experience less tolerable, at least to me. A few years ago I damaged my hearing listening to loud music, since then I have suffered from Tinnitus, which as a result has caused lack of sleep, stress etc....for some people they adapt to it, I have somewhat, but it still causes me distress. Knowing I made a mistake which brought this on, does not lessen the impact it has on me at times...If it is making me stronger, I really don't see how Just a few thoughts....... Regards Scott | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Torrent, I just wanted to share with you one of my experiences, I am sorry to hear about how many problems you have faced. But try to see if you can find any thing to learn from, since the best way to learn something is through hardships or problems. Don’t give up on the creational laws, and especially don’t give up on the power of your spirit. I have recently moved to Saudi Arabia, and since I have the nationality I wear the same national dress as every one else, just imagine in a company of about 150 employees most are Saudi nationals, I am the only one that doesn’t go to pray with them (which is twice during work hours), in the beginning I was harassed but eventually they gave up. It is very strange for them to see me not praying (not a Muslim) since being a Muslim is an obligation by law in Saudi for the nationals, it is also strange for them to see me as hard working, honest, and so on. I don’t usually talk in private matters, and if they ask me why I don’t I pray I say I have my reasons. I do not socialize very much since their ways are very different to mine; I just socialize with people outside the company. I do work closley with the other employees but work is work and private issues don't need to be involved to get the work done. And I am working here since about a year and a half, and I have no problems. Hope things work out soon for you, just don’t give up your self to any “belief” Regards, jr Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Torrent Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello, guys. Thank for listening to my ironic situations and sharing your thoughtful tips and advice with me. After I posted the previous message, I realized that, though I had gone through lots of hardships and 'unfortunate' events, I still wanted to follow the Creational Laws. I think we don't learn spiritual lessons to get material or short-term benefits. We do it because it is eventually for our own spirits, which takes an immensely long time, and it is the only one right way to live our lives. I just finished a 'long' dinner with those 'nice' Christians. We started with a business talk, but most of time we were talking about the religion. In a word, they really wanted to take me to the big Christian gathering (supposedly 20,000 Christian attendees) tomorrow. Then I had to find ways to 'gently' turn their proposition down for 5 HOURS! Here are some situations you should first understand. 1. I live in South Korea. Though there are also lots of Buddhists and Catholics in this country, Christianity has expanded so ferociously and fast for the last decades, and now it is the not just the most influential religion, but the Korean Christians are,with no doubt, the most devout. Unbelievably religious. Now Korea has world's largest churches (one church boasts one million believers) and is already a world's no.2 Christian missionary exporter (after USA). They even sent more than 1,000 Christians to Afghanistan to 'convert and help' them, and they were all expelled because the local government couldn't guarantee their safety. Crazy but true. 2. When they want to covert you, they will never give up until you say "f*** you". The reality is, I can't do so because I still have to maintain numerous social relationships with other Christians. I have learned my own way to 'gently' turn them down, but this time was the toughest one. I have never 'escaped' those boring 'preaching' by offending the 'missionaries'. I still respect them, because, though they all live in an illusion, they are still trying to find the truth by making 'errors'. 3. One of them at the dinner is my cousin. I love her a lot. I told them I was ready to take the job and work with them ,so I frankly told them I was a little concerned about the possibility of 'hurting' their team spirit bound by the same religion, but added that I would be able to overcome it because I also believe in an absolute being (yes, Creation) and I would totally understand their way of doing business with a religious mission aheard of anything else. The tough thing is, they think they know the truth, have seen the God, have been blessed by him, and want to share it with me. Whatever I say, they will never understand me. I am the one who began the forum section "Your experience in telling others about Billy, The Mission and Teachings" . I know that how much impossible it is to help them open their eyes and see the slightest piece of truth. I have given up on bringing up the issues about Creational Laws or spiritual teachings or even Meier case. Forget it. So I didn't tell them what I was 'believing in' though they were so curious about how I could hold my position so firmly. Finally, they left with lots of frustration and sadness in their eyes. It broke my heart. They are genuinely nice people. They 'harassed' me for 5 hours because they loved and cared about me. They just wanted to share god's 'blessing' with me. To them, I was probably nothing but a fool who wasted a great opportunity to meet god and go to the heaven. I even knew that they had prayed for me for days. I just had to break their heart and ignore their warm 'affection' toward me to keep believing in what I had believed. Thankfully, they left me without feeling too rejected. But I instead told them to continue to bring me "good preaching and words" so that I could hear them and 'might' change my mind about joining their religion. It always has been, and will be even tougher to live in harmony with other Christians, I guess. Above all, maybe, this is my another obstacle to learning the lessons through the hardships. Regards. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 186 Registered: 07-2004 |
Torrent, It seems you are taking one heck of a big test. While I don't envy your position, I do envy the lesson you're experiencing. With their intensity of trying to convert you, your skills at conveying your position will become a strength for your spirit knowledge as you are always being stimulated from their attempts. We live in interesting times. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 286 Registered: 07-2005 |
Torrent, is that church of theirs by any chance in Suwon? You know, after viewing a korean show done on Billy over the net, I was very disappointed at how much of a struggle it would be towards enlightening them since their minds are steeped and deeply entrenched with religious dogmas that they won't discard in a hurry. My desire is to get some books at least, translated in Korean and I can already anticipate the antipathies and vitriolic attacks towards the Creational teachings and the person delivering it because you cannot present it without mentioning the words 'extraterrestrial and ufos'. There has been a concerted effort on the part of the Korean church and various missionaries warning their devotees against people who mention the words 'extraterrestrial' and label them charlatans or cranks out to fleece people of their savings by preaching the end of the world apolocalyptic scenarios. The Korean society like most other asian countries are just finding their way amidst the turmoil presented by too rapid a change brought on by western influences, which has inevitably created a huge chism between their own cherished old traditions that are incompatible with accelerated nature of change but also their ability to cope with amalgamating and finding cultural balance between the two cultures. It's really a massive contradiction after contradiction because the Koreans want the good things in life which they obviously noticed from most things that come from the west and yet they preach patriotism and want to keep their tradition at all cost and hence like no other country in the world, the uniting of million of citizens to root for their soccer team during the 2002 world cup wearing the red shirt was for me not at all awe inspiring but downright hypocritical, seeing them quenching their thirst with coca cola and pepsi and munching on hamburgers and pizzas. If they love their country so much, why can't they unite just as same towards other more noble causes such as first of all, trying to eliminate exporting too many abandoned children, as if being one of the top countries where foreigner go to adopt is something to be proud of. Another thing, since the Korean government passed laws making prostitution illegal in that country, there is an exodous of working girls flooding the streets of foreign countries on tourist visas. Life is harder I heard over there than even during the depressing era of the IMF which will mark it's tenth anniversary very soon. Obviously I can go on and on with so much that I see is wrong with Korea and other countries that aren't immune to the problems faced by the Koreans because the basic nature of human beings are the same irrespective of the nicely labelled black borders dividing one country to another in the world atlas and I am certainly not beating upon Koreans without a good cause because I lament the yesteryears of an era when people were just simple, straightforward, down to earth, honest, unpretentious, generous, caring, loving, good hearted, and righteous. Now the majority of the people I meet from there both young and old are selfish, self centred, self absorbed, cunning, pretentious, fake, obsessed with their own image, very materialistic, calculating, full of guile, ungrateful, egotistic, immoral etc Torrent, I am not a racist, I just happen to love the country I was born in and one I have immigrated to. If it sounded extreme, please forgive me, as there are many good Koreans among the ones who are the victims of their own ignorance and the ignorance that are imposed on them. It's the reflection in the extreme of these negative tendencies by people that I lament and sometimes, to borrow someones words " stop, I want to get off this planet" comes to mind often. But then again, my growth is aided by the fodder and the fertilizers that people represents, who through the guilt of their own ignorance is just expressing what this twisted society of ours expects from them which I am actually thankful for the challenge and the opportunity they provide for me to grow. I will always never forget the time when I too didn't know who Billy was let alone what Creation was. To this I must once again thank Dyson and vivienne, for if Billy was the fishing instructor, dyson and vivienne were the ones who brought me the fishing rod instead of just tossing me a fish and gave me the tool to fish for life so that I feed for life instead of a day. Anyway good luck with your efforts, I am sure at the end of the day, it's up to you to shape it into form according to your will and desire. Nice talking to you and I hope I have expressed myself well enough to avoid a possible misinterpretation and misunderstanding of my intentions to my post. cheers Matt | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi all... This message is mainly for Scott our excellent Moderator... but many may be helped from it. As to not being able to know all, as in knowing why this hardship will be good for me in the long run... (E.G. Scott will probably be more cautious when listening to excessivly loud music) it taught him a serious lesson. Suffering from tinnitus myself from many years of playing music with powerful amplifiers, that was a problem for me that caused endless sleepless nights. The ringing, the ringing... It's still there when I focus on it. Two ways of solution for me were: 1)Don't focus on it, accept it and allow it to continue. Send love to the non peace. My grandmother, also had the same problem and focused on it constantly. After repeated visits to the doctor and no relief, she noticed that by not paying attention to it, her mind blanked it out. 2.) Sometimes lighting can effect your sleep cycle. Working late hours and sometimes two or three days at a time when it was my job to work as a cook in Alaska, far north of the Artic Circle, that is quite noticable. People who normally live closer to the equator experience this cycle perterbation more than those in the northern latitudes. One thing you might try is the naturally occuring substance melatonin, an antioxidant which heals damaged tissure and more importantly can stablise and promote normal sleep. It is a regulating hormone that will let you adjust your cycle to the changing light patterns. It's great for jet lag too. Put some bright lights in the house and that will help too. Another thing about the lessons we learn. Learning physics was a drag, but lately learning about new ideas to me, concerning elementry particles has become really exciting. It was many years ago (more than 40)when Physics was learned by me, but it did pay off. All lessons are for the spirit and we really don't have much contact with our subconscious, our link... or at least the closest non physical part of our makeup that is near to spirit. How many thoughts can fit into an organ the size of a grapefruit? Infinite. Our minds are amazing devices that will help us with any problem. Beethoven the great musical fellow first became deaf and eventually died due to a case of lead poisoning. It is my theory that he got it from refinishing his newly aquired home when he became famous. He lived during the late Rococo period (all the white and gold) and probably got the lead from breathing the lead oxide in white paint used to refinish this style popular at the time. He wrote his last symphony by taking the legs off of his piano and hearing the notes resonate in the wood floor. What was the lesson he learned? Probably a spiritual lesson. But by using his mind, he created a new way to hear. Resonance through the wood floor. Beethoven thought of his deafness as a learning process and did something to get around it. He did not sit around wondering why this symptom occured, he did not focus on it and went around it by taking the legs off the piano. Billy Meier a man with one arm can type faster than the fastest secretary and has written more than many humans on Earth, so, he really does not pay attention to what many would find a devastating problem. When Asket offered to fix it with the use of the doctors in the Mother Ship he refused, so it must be important for him to learn this lesson. According to Billy Meier we have lived many many lifetimes since most of us on Earth are in the (20,000,000,000 ) twenty millionth (which is greater than the way English speaking folks count) year of our existance. Since the Earth is 4.5 billion years in age and actually many more according to the Meier references all of them could be reincarnating on Earth, but some got here by wayward craft crashing into or near the Sol System. Tungaska is one such example. So, some of the lessons we may have to learn cannot be explained in this life. We live in an infinite Universe where Creation/Love/Wisdom is behind it to make sure it works correctly. Tschüs... Love to all...  rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronunciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. PS> "there are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreampt of in your philosophy" William Shakespeare PPS> From the same play... 2B or not 2B that is the question... but what comes after is more informative... whether tis nobler to suffer the slings and arrows of outragous fortune, or to take arms against a sea of troubles and thus by opposing... end them. (I.E. you can stand and take it and complain about it, or you can stand against it and oppose it and possibly end it.) | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 01-2006 |
I wanted to put this post in the skeptics/critics section, but it is still closed, so hope this section will do. Klausmaus, you made an error using gaiaguys.net as an example to the question about translations, that you just put into billy in this round of questions, because Dyson does know/read the german language, and it is how he read ALL of billy's german spiritual books. He may have used a dictionery from time to time, but he certainly didn't read ALL them german books using a translation software. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 Klausmaus Dear Mr. Billy, .......I ask you once again regarding the suitability of such persons performing translations of your material. Many of the people that come to your case have been previously involved in religions, UFOs, new-age esoterica, speculation theories, etc. As you have said it takes many years (maybe lifetimes) to overcome those erroneous beliefs. Do you think people with those beliefs should be doing translations of your materials and publishing them for other people to read, especially when they do not hardly know the German language themselves? Do you give your authorization or approval to such people? An example is the translations of your material at the website www.gaiaguys.net. If your English is not good enough to evaluate these (gaiaguys) translations, perhaps Mr. Christian would be so kind to assist. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/1871.html#POST23044 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you think it would have better decision if you had just ask Christian if he could evaluate the accuracy of Gaiaguys.net translations for you, because he would have been quite capable of doing that and giving you the same answer as what billy probably would have? Scott also made an anouncement in october (in forum announcements) informing everyone here that from now on he is going to close off the "Questions to Billy" section early, so as to limit it to only around 20 questions per round, and he said it was to save Billy's time because of the "time and work needed to get the answers back to each one of you." So Billy definitely wouldn't have had the time to go and do what you are asking him to go and do for you in your question to him, simply because he is very busy person. Also many people here have commented in the past how much of a great job gaiaguys.net are doing with the translations as well as with the accuracy too, and its also a real credit to them for doing all that work for the benefit of all the people in the english speaking world too. So I think it was a bit careless of you to use gaiaguys.net as an example in your question there to Billy, and not just because you were dead wrong saying there that Dyson doesn't know the german language too. I also think it would have been a better choice if you had thought about it a bit more, and had just gone and asked Cristian if he could give you an evaluation of the accuracy that gaiaguys.net are doing with the translations there, and not just because he would have been quite capable of giving you the same answer that Billy probably would have there, but also because Billy simply wouldn't have the time to go and do what you are asking him to go and do for you there in your question to him. Gaiaguys are doing a fantastic job for us all there with the translations, and I think it was a bit careless and short sighted of you, to use them as the example in your question there to billy, and not just because you were wrong saying "especially when they do not hardly know the German language themselves" in relation to gaiaguys.net. And even if there are some errors in Gaiaguys.net translations, they are definitely better then NO translations at all. So I think it was a waste of time asking billy to go and evaluate gaiaguysnet translations for you. I can't help but think that this might happen again, so I will just repost a couple of recent posts that were posted recently in the racist section. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, October 09 poster Klausmaus Dear Figu Forum Moderators, It is bewildering once again to see that you post more Jew-hate-inciting things like what Mr. Gaigaguys says above. Unless you know these things are true, and have full evidence, and put it in a proper context, you are doing the FIGU a great disservice by making it appear FIGU ENDORSES JEW-HATING. http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi?pg=prev&topic=14&page=6658 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- October 12, 2006 poster Tony Klausmaus "Either way, since a lack of good judgment is ruling this discussion board, I will bring this matter up in a question to Mr. Billy in the next round. For this is an important matter that concerns how his organization is being misused." Hi Klausmaus, I questioned Dyson in response to the questions you mentioned there above about Gaiaguysnets and this is the email I got back from him - Feel free to inform Klausmaus http://singles.freenet.de/m%C3%A4nnlich_51_Hannover_klausmaus_1191727.html that I told you in your personal correspondence that if he ever DOES read Billy's material, he will see that it contains full answers to all the important questions, so I don't have to WASTE Billy's precious time the way HE does. Cheers! Dyson http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/6658.html?1160758053 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- And no, I haven't had any personal correspondence with Dyson whatsoever since that time there. | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 69 Registered: 04-2006 |
Yes, I agree, and whats more is that Klausmaus never mentioned in that question to Billy wether he was referring to the german translations of Billy's spirit books or contact notes, because the translations of the spirit books would be the ones that would need to be more important in accuracy. So Billy could be thinking that the question is about the importance of accuracy in relation to his spirit books, and would give an answer accordingly to that. The other thing is that Klausmaus asked Billy virtually the same question there again as he had asked in the last round of questions, only this time he inserted gaiaguys.net as an example and also added "especially when they do not hardly know the German language themselves?" http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/6609.html?1159389826 Very careless indeed of Klausmaus to use gaiaguys.net as the example there in that question to Billy, and it makes me wonder if there is more to then that then being just a careless mistake? | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 672 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Rarena... If I may pitch in a few coins... I am very fortunate, not to have suffered any ear damage what so ever, while playing in (all sorts of) bands. I was very Strict...in sound adjustments/ settings, when playing/rehearsals. Best advice I can give is(to anyone playing LOUD music): Do a Different Sound Setting(s) for, when you are in rehearsals, and one for small bars/clubs, and than one for a venue of about 300-400 people, and one for a festival...in and outdoors.(Adjustments can be done at sound checks) Thus, Simple and Logical: Adjust to the Space...you are performing in/at. The above mentioned would be the solutions for not having to be forced to any ear damage, what so even. It is of no use, in 'Cranking Open' the amps when in rehearsals; in a small room, or what ever. This is really...asking for it. I have seen may bands whom can not cope with this issue, and have gotten ear damage. They just refuse to THINK...LOGICAL! BTW: Concerning Beethoven. As far as I know, a hundred piece symphony orchestra can be as LOUD as a medium type festival PA(Public Address) system. And THAT is LOUD! Knowing that Beethoven played 'HEAVY' Classical music, this would surely go beyond the limits of our ear drums. As I once experienced at an Opera(best not to sit in the frist 25-30 rows! MAN: THAT IS LOUD!!!... ...). And his Lead Poisoning: as what I once read, in those days, if One had a sexual transmitted disease, One would get medicine...which was in general - LEAD - based. Many people in those days, did not die from their sexual transmitted disease, BUT, Yes....Of course...FROM LEAD POISONING! So, that was the risk in those days. Edward. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 923 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Rarena, Thanks for the words of encouragement, things are better now. In regards to your statements about the age of the human spirit form, I'm not sure where you obtained your information, but the average age of the earth Spiritform is not 20,000,000,000 years old. Here is information posted earlier on the forum: Earthhuman Spiritforms: The oldest: 12,000,000 years 8,000,000 years 6,000,000 years 4,500,000 years (Average age of most Earth human Spiritforms) 2,500,000 years 2,000,000 years The youngest: 1,500,000 years ET Spiritforms range from 6,000,000,000-12,000,000,000 years old Regards Scott | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 926 Registered: 12-1999 |
To Peter Brodowski: Hi Peter, I have sent your request to the current e-mail address I have, but I don't know if it is valid. I also sent a message to you, but it was bounced back, perhaps your account needs to be updated? Regards Scott | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 203 Registered: 01-2004 |
okay, iwill update my account, you mean my figu account right? and thank you Yes | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 330 Registered: 03-2004 |
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Spaceman Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hello Dyson, I understand that the 'OM' is written as the second in the pic according to FIGU. But, according to the Devnagiri script the first labelled as 'Not OM' is actually pronounced as OM [sound should vibrate well] in Hindi -- language of the Indians and the one beside is approximately pronounced as AAng [g is very lightly pronounced], there is no 'm' sound in it anywhere. Where did FIGU get the devnagiri script from? As far as I know, In Hinduism, it is the most sacred syllable and is pronounced wrongly as AUM by some, there is no 'A'which is the first 'OM' in your pic, but the second 'OM' which you displayed is pronouced as AAng, it has no 'O' or 'm' in its pronounciation. Or atleast thats the little Hindi I learnt. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Scott, Phew... excuse me got that one wrong... Oops. 20,000,000,000 years... wasn't that the relatively short time that Billy graduated to Arahat Athersata? Thank you for pointing out my error. There are several spirit forms on Earth that have been born on other planets (such as Malona in fifth SOL orbit now asteroid belt and their spirit forms riencarnate on Earth) and Galaxies (LYREN, birth galaxy of Nokodemion... a creation of the planet SADR, that was in the WARON sun system, which moved in the LYREN galaxy, 3,816,000,000 light years distant from the Sol system.) Lyren galaxy is no longer. The spirit form that was Nokodemion which now enlivens Billy Meier... Which brings a question: If Nokodemion was the oldest of the spirit forms, who inhabits the higher forms of the Petale? Or is this because the higher spirit forms are not considered spirit forms any longer when above the Arahat Athersata level in "purely" spirit form? From Gaiaguys.net: From which point in time can one speak of Terrestrial primal humans effectively as higher developed hominids? Ptaah 696. Der Zeitpunkt dürfte sich um die 4,8 bis 8 Millionen Jahre herum bewegen. Ptaah 696. The point of time permits itself to move around about 4,800,000 until 8,000,000 years. Billy Also weit viel mehr, als die Erdenwissenschaftler annehmen. Billy Therefore very much more than the Earth scientists accept. Die rechnen ja mit nur etwa 2,5 Millionen Jahren, im Höchstfall mit 3 Millionen Jahren. They indeed reckon with only about 2,500,000 years, in the highest case with 3,000,000 years. Thank you also Scott for searching and finding the correct statistical data on the average age of spirit forms on Earth... Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronunciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 334 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Spaceman, I got the left image off Google image search for "OM" and contrasted it to the Plejaren version in an attempt to get Randy Arena to stop inserting the wrong one here. BTW, FIGU's motto is not live and let live, it is live and help others to live. Salome, Dyson | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 928 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Rarena It took Billy's Spirit form considerably longer than 20 Billion years to reach the level of Arahat Athersata, I believe it was over 60 Billion, and then his Spirit spent billions of years progressing from there. Billys Spirit form is the oldest Spirit form inhabiting a human body in the physical universe. His Spirit form has not achieved the level of Petale, and will not for trillions of years. His Spirit form will always remain a Spirit form as with anyone else until it reunites with Creation. Regards Scott | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hello Dyson, I am saying the Plejaren version of the 'OM' doesn't read as 'OM' it reads as Aang [g is lightly pronounced]. This is Hindi the main language in India, and I have asked a couple of people here to get the same. Is there another form of devnagiri script that the Plejarens know? How did FIGU get this script? To Scott, [Please excuse me for including two topics in a single post]. In my questions to Billy Meier {in the current round of questions}, I have asked about Gautam Buddha, the Buddhist believe as you say that the spirit reunites with Creation, and I thought that was what the Buddha's spirit form had done. Is that true, did Buddha's spirit reunite with Creation? Because in scriptures its said that he attained 'Nirvana' and Billy said it has no connection to the teachings of Semjase. | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 04-2006 |
Scott Earthhuman Spiritforms: The oldest: 12,000,000 years 8,000,000 years 6,000,000 years 4,500,000 years (Average age of most Earth human Spiritforms) 2,500,000 years 2,000,000 years The youngest: 1,500,000 years Hi Scott, do you or anyone else here know the average number of past incarnations that the average (age 4,500,000 years) earth human spiritforum has previously had before this incarnation? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 930 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Spaceman, Have you read any of the FIGU literature in English or German or even earlier portions of this Forum? Buddha's spirit form did not go back to Creation, because the Spirit has to go through trillions of years of evolution before it merges back with Creation. Many of these years the Spirit has "outgrown" the need for a physical body, so it stands to reason since Buddha was a physical being he has some time to go before this occurs. Nirvana does not exist, it is fantasy. This was stated in the Questions to Billy answered section. Regards Scott | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 06-2006 |
So why is the Buddha regarded as anything 'great' at all, were his teachings correct or was it changed as many teachings have been? | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Spaceman, in regards to your question about the Buddha, a partial answer can be found in the Questions to Billy Meier section -- Celestialbrother posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 10:03 am: Who exactly is the Buddha, I have searched the forum and found no answers. Was he a contactee? Answer Buddha was a prophet, but he had no contacts with ETs. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 205 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey scott, i thought that since buddha contained the spirit form that is in billy, and before incarnating as a prophet, billy's spirit already attained the level of arahat athersata before coming back to the material realm to do his prophet duties... so would not the answer be "yes", buddha's spirit was in the piritual realm... and perhaps spaceman confused merging with creation to joining the level of arahat athersata? perhaps that can save some oncoming confusion? just a thought. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 10-2005 |
Forgot to add that the Arowana is called the Dragon Fish in Asia. They of course are smaller than eight feet, but I've personally seen them that size in the Amazon River. | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 02-2006 |
Yes Dyson,,your many posts,,after a dry spell,,ahhh,I want too mention that I 'am a heavy You-tube user,,and have made statements that correlate to truth as I know it,(and been called a few things),but, when I mentioned Meyer L et al and the rest of it,,,my channel(profile)views exploded,,Two days went by and then messages saying that I should hurry /rush too kill myself.. Why is the truth even as partial as we have it, so explosive..Greer is a freemason,,as this is my thinking on the matter.(Oh Debbie & The D.P.) Of course I love all.Pudd,,I just want knowledge. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 932 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Peter, Where did you hear Buddha once contained Billy's Spirit form? Thanks Scott | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 207 Registered: 01-2004 |
was;nt that the case, i could have spworn i read it on this website. along with with mohammed and like 5 or 6 others. sorry if i am not correct. can you tell me the prophets billy's spirit was occupying on earth? i thought buddha was one of them, my mistake? | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 675 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott... That you bring up the 'Honest Voting System'! We are to have elections very soon here, and insiders have noticed how our voting machines can be 'Manipulated' with just one small single 'VIRUS', which can easily be installed, by one turn of a key. What is the case: the locks put on are of such POOR old fashioned quality, that anyone can have access into the machines! The locks are the old ones that were used some 10 years or more ago, on any standard computer... etc.!!! So, first they have to change the locks, so that every machine can have it's OWN Personal KEY! So, the companies delivering the Voting Machines...have a lot of work before them, before they can deliver the machines! We sure do not want to let happen...what happen in the USA...with Mr.Bush, and not to forget, Belgium(via: CIA!). So, if it can happen in Belgium - IT CAN HAPPEN HERE!!! If Destiny permits: WE...here have a Honest Election!?? (The Christians and Right-Liberals are here TOO Mr.BUSH oriented! They are just HOWLING with the Wolves of Destruction!) Edward. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 935 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Peter, The following quote comes from the FIGU website. OM Canon 20, verse 95: "The human races and peoples of Earth were provided prophets from ancient days, and for this reason were sent to Earth Enoch (Henok) and Elijah (Elja), Isaiah (Jesaja), Jeremiah (Jeremja), Jmmanuel and Mohammed in direct succession and with ensuing rebirth ..." and of course the last being Billy. Hope this helps. Regards Scott | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Edward, does the U.S voting system matter much if the U.S. government IS the CIA as Billy said it was here www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/s30/leserfrage.htm | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 288 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear moderators I extend my gratitude and a big thank you for your often unrecognised contributions you fellas put towards this difficult work and I hope my presence on this forum hasn't made your jobs any more difficult than it has to be, even though you guys don't expect anything in return but to just help the cause in your own way. If I may ask a request or your advice on what you fellas think about the following, I'd be very interested in your responses. For awhile now ever since I had started participating on this forum, I got a chance to learn so much more than I'd imagined and I deemed this forum as very sacred, precious, very enlightening, informative, controversial, revolutionary, evolutionary, progressive, mostly harmonious, generous etc because each members contribute their own unique being into it as well as creating an environment of aiding, sharing, contributing, synergising and conducive for personal development. But one thing that sticks out like a thorn in the rose bush is the voting system itself. In my view, rather than facilitating the delivery of consensual and collective sentiment and views of the voters, it actually detracts and make it seem a futile exercise to even have it on this forum because it's open to abuse as forum members here would have realised long time ago by the 'one star wonder'. Not only that, even though I have never voted and never used this voting system once, I feel that the system is inadequate because it tells me very little other than whether a post is considered best or worst. I mean come on, so what, are people that lazy to respond back using words to let others know how they feel? it's simply avoidance or even silent cowardice, hiding behind the bushes, so to speak. So essentially what I am saying is that because it's an open forum where what we write is open to criticism and judgement, so it should likewise equally apply to the person making the judgement or the judgement itself by making this voting system transparent by letting everyone know who voted for which post and how they had voted, this way if some members here want to utilize it, they should do so honestly, forthrightly and in good faith. This method also keeps the lurking bastards honest and prevents them from abusing it to amuse themselves. So either all members here vote to keep it, change the classification on the voting system or simply vote to get rid of it once and for all. So essentially making something like the voting system as transparent as the nakedness of the post we write for all to see keeps the system honest and used as it was meant to be used for. I await in anticipation for your views rergarding this issue if you be so kind. cheers Matt | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 676 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Alan... Yes, that is known to me. I live in the Netherlands, if you are not familiar with this yet? Thus, it shows how Much Ground...they have been Manipulating..in Europe! I can see this...how the politicians here, are handling their elections! Yes, well, we too have new elections as soon as possible; it was suppose to be in November, if I recall correctly. As you may know, that our government fell some months ago? So, we have a Temporary one at the moment consisting of Christosians and Right-Liberals(how else can it be....). And the Right-Liberals are bringing up the 'Burka' scenario, once again! Just to get the people on their side, of course. All this time the Scarf and Burka problematics have been Resolved through the courts, and in the background. Now that elections are coming our way, the 'Nasty' Right-Liberal politics machine...is up and running: Politicizing the Burka! Instead, of in low profile as I mentioned before, above...via the courts. So, they are making (these) issues that can be Resolved through the Courts, in to a Political issue! Just as Mr.Straw of the Labour Party in England! He too, is doing the same! So, THE NASTY politics....for elections have begone!(ALAS!!!!!!!!) If they only KNEW...the Consequences they are generating! Edward. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 02-2006 |
Newinitiation "In my view, rather than facilitating the delivery of consensual and collective sentiment and views of the voters, it actually detracts and make it seem a futile exercise to even have it on this forum because it's open to abuse as forum members here would have realised long time ago by the 'one star wonder'. Not only that, even though I have never voted and never used this voting system once, I feel that the system is inadequate because it tells me very little other than whether a post is considered best or worst. I mean come on, so what, are people that lazy to respond back using words to let others know how they feel? it's simply avoidance or even silent cowardice, hiding behind the bushes, so to speak." Hi Newinitiation, if you would like to talk to one of these 'one star wonder' people and ask them if its necessary why they do it, then maybe you should talk to Norm, because he admitted to doing it regularly, saying "because it saves time having to respond back to them". So you are right there assuming that people do it (one star) out of laziness. | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 130 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Newinitiation, I just rated your post with 5 stars (out of curiosity to see what happens because I never before used that opportunity). I would not lay too much worth (or weight) on that rating system because I think that those readers who are able to use their brain constructively are able to judge a message or post based on its content. Who knows, perhaps this rating system will vanish some time in the near future and leave the opportunity to look at the real stars at the night sky. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 488 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hi, Christian, I am having the exact same thoughts about that silly rating system, may it vanish soon. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hello Dyson, I the site www.gaiaguys.net/666/htm You have used a form of numerology? Is it an actually proven technique or something. And have described Jesus (isn't that Jmmanuel) as the prostitute of Babylon. JESUS CHRIST IS, IN TRUTH, THE REAL GREAT PROSTITUTE OF BABYLON=THE 666? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 290 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear moderators and forum members Thank you for your views I thought it was at the discretion of you moderators whether the voting system stays or goes? or is the final say up to Billy and the decisions of the core group? Vestri I think Norm is entitled to use the voting system at his discretion, my problem is with the idiots who use the star system for point scoring, pranks, retaliation of vexed feelings they haven't the courage nor the decency to put to words to from prior altercation, if ever there was any and just the general nature of the voting system itself that doesn't serve it's intended purpose because of it's flaw, it rather irritates as some members here give more positive credence to it than it deserves, like I am ironically in a paradoxical way, doing here but in a disapproving stance. Cheers Matt | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Moderators, I would like to propose a new protocol for this forum if you deem it reasonable. I propose that ANY desparaging comments by forum members be deleted by you before posting the messages they are contained in or possibly deleting the entire message altogether. I would say that it would be the appropriate application of forcible forcelessness since this forum is supposed to be a place for intelligent discussion and learning, not a verbal boxing match. I hate the idea of censoring anyone but many posts are just plain hurtful and useless. I hope you seriously consider my proposal... Sincerely, Thomas | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 937 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thomas, Where do you draw the line? I have come to realize no matter what myself or the other moderators do, someone will not be happy. Some people are immature and argumentative, others are just plain unhappy and like to stir things up just for the sake of inciting disharmony. I have also found sometimes the interactions end up being instructive between certain individuals, and someone learns something. In instances where this is not the case, usually those posts are edited or not allowed. Each post is read, and usually if I find some form of threat, name calling are deliberate attempt at being mean to another, I will sometimes contact the person and give them the option to clean up their post or it will not be posted. Depending on the work load sometimes I am able to do this, other times I will not post it. There are many people coming from all walks of life from one end of the planet to the other. Each person brings with them their own ways of perceiving and understanding what is being presented here. Sometimes people are not ready for certain opinions or ideas, and they will either react with a sense of wanting to know more, or they will take things personally and become defensive and hostile. You also have to take into account religious influences and new age thinking which in my opinion has warped certain people's perceptions. I am sure these influences play into my thinking in ways that I am unaware. You also have to take into consideration, English is a second language, plus for some having access to the internet is a new experience which can lead to confusion when trying to express ideas in the written format. I would prefer there was not so much hostility, but it seems it is unavoidable in certain cases. There have been certain forum members who have had their accounts cancelled because of abhorrent behavior. They will return promising to have cleaned up their ways, but invariably they end up committing the same errors and mistakes again. This forum in my opinion is as close to the truth as we can hope for at this time at least in this format. I find there are people that are hungering for new information, but usually will not post but just prefer to read what is posted and wait and be patient. Sometimes I see this forum as an active evolving computer in the sense that there is much information at various places within the archives, but it must be accessed in order to learn what has been asked, discussed and presented at earlier times. I would say more than 50 per cent of the time, when a question has been asked, it will be somewhere on this forum, or possibly on the website. Of course that does not take into account when new translations are introduced or new information is forthcoming from Billy and the Plejarens. Thanks for bringing this up. Regards Scott | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 03-2004 |
I understand your point Scott. It was just a suggestion and if it isn't practical or desireable to follow through on my idea, then no problem. I just hate to see that the violence that is so prevalent in the world has slowly seemed to seep into the FIGU forum. I am not saying the forum has fallen apart, just that I notice that very often there is excessive bickering and that interpersonnal attacks occur. I love this forum and I don't want it jeopradized due to a lack of self-policing if you can kind of get my train of thought. By the way, for me the line would be any sort of discussion that veers away from helpful and leans toward hurtful/hateful. Just my 2 cents, but thanks for listening... | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 04-2006 |
Scott, if I start a flame with someone and then don't like what I started and is written back against me, will you delete everything associated with that flame that I started if I ask you too? I only ask this because I don't like seeing favouritism, i think it is unfair. I think everyone should be treated on the same level here. | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 04-2006 |
- regardless of who they are. Matt, I think most of us know when we say something in a certain way we can and will generate a response. Maybe we should learn to select our words in a more neutral and less personal way. I know this is easier said than done. Sometimes when I write something, I will read it a few times, then step back from it awhile then re-read it. Sometimes I will find myself re-writing something a few times because it is not what I really intended to say....maybe this will keep the flames more managable Scott | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 679 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... Concerning the Burka Politicizing posting of mine. Someone addressed me concerning this. When speaking of the Burka, I was referring(just as some media) to the 'Burka-Niqab Veil' variation/combination. Knowing that there are variations/combinations in how it can be worn, in different parts of the countries, where worn. To clarify any misunderstandings. Edward. | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 147 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi: Please see following link about "water-boarding" (referred to in Sonder-Bulletin 30 leserfrage) http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/15847918.htm Eric | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 174 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hey Dyson, This Sunburnt country will soon suffer more sunburn. I am not sure if you aware of this as I am, but my sense of smell is very good: I have noticed that everytime before we get some rain, I can smell something in the air like Sulphur, and it's stinks be it day or night, possible? A few years ago when I wasn't aware of Figu, I rang the EPA and told about the unpleasnat smell because I was concerned, so the next day it was on the radio (3LO, ABC) referred to as heavy smoke billowing from industries near by. Really? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 346 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Melli, I agree with you that Melbourne stinks. Both Vivienne and I lived there many years ago before we teamed up; me in the 70’s and she in the 80’s, and it stank then too. Sulfur, eh? If I were paranoid, I'd say THAT particular stench is deliberate, what with its traditional associations with the devil, etc. It comes from the hydrogen sulfide produced by the catalytic converters on all the internal combustion engines that the planet is being poisoned by, among other things. The only suggestion I have is that you move away from there. Worked for me! :-) Cheers! Dyson (BTW, were I any LESS “stressed”, I’d be in a coma.) | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1032 Registered: 02-2000 |
I haven't used the voting system for over a month. If you think I sit here every day one star-ing everybody get a life! My Website | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 392 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Scott ; After reading this thread , the thought occurred ; if you delete the insulting abusive posts , soon people will get used to it , as they do with most civilized actions of moderation . Even while trying to be fair above fairness , someone will be unhappy anyway . You might as well enforce some barriers . Just a thought. The other idea of letting them all pass through might work in the same way as the theory of legalizing drugs ; at least some will see what a waste of time it is , by it's "restrictlessness". The tide comes in and goes out , at low tide , the children play farther out , but when the tide is high , naturally they draw closer to the shore .No signs or barriers are needed. Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 939 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Mark, Thanks for your positive/neutral comments, I appreciate your mature observation. Regards Scott | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 07-2004 |
I concur with Mark's thoughts. The fact we need to realize is that society must contain certain restrictions that help guide everyone along a more hospitable existence. Our level of spirituality is far to low for an unrestrained human to be expected to maintain a mutual respect for all other beings. Someday far in the future, we will all wonder how Earth's human's could have been so negatively induced towards one another. Until then we need to produce ourselves with controls, some of them even harsh, to help our world begin to live more correctly. Sure there are lesson's to be found in the bantering communications that become created between the flaming posts, but do we really need to go that direction for our growth? The moderators have that name for a reason. The time required for their insights are the challenge. Maybe this forum needs a few more moderators to be trained to handle the English FIGU, what we know is a growing internet place. p.s. There are other types who use the voting system. The people who have an agenda of disrupting the progressions of any aspect of the Mission's realm. And we should believe they are motivated by more than just a selfish ideal. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Technod Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 07-2003 |
Dont forget that the guilty party writing negativly charged opinions would loose an opportunity to adjust there ways to fit in with this forums values which should be based on how each one sees the truth. It seems as though there is no shame as too what is written here and on the net .as much as i hate having to read malicious responses i think aslong as they are moved to a proper thread is a neutral position. Perhaps the problem lies in the lack of identity that this communication process simply is which is non-personal. If we here cant objectivly point out the errors of peoples opinions then i think there would be a better way to control ignorance,with wisdom which people call for but wont get with out expirences. Brian Best | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 06-2006 |
From your 70th contact, Semjase in the story of the people of Arus said: In truth, the Hebraons had been the real dregs of society and outcasts of earthman-kind, because they constantly incited fights and quarrels within the whole world, which is still maintained until the present. Peace on Earth will finally be then when, this might-thirsty and murderous self-called Hebraon race-connection has become completely scattered. There was some discussion regarding this in the forum, so I wished to ask you. Is Semjase saying that the descendants of the Hebraons (people of Israel?) are vile minded people? | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 680 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dyson and All... Dyson, the SOG [Special Operation Group] team, sounds much like the OS [Special Ops] teams that were dumped first behind enemy lines in the Vietnam war! They were dropped within the borders to make clear passage for the America forces at the time. They HAD to kill every living thing that was in their path! Even...children, women, seniors....and so forth! A License To Kill! They were a sort of 'Ghost' elite group. They were also the first to 'decapitate' the 'Innocent Unarmed' Vietnam Civilians in the villages, they burnt down to the ground. They did all sorts of unhuman monstrosities! They were at the time, not known to the America people, of course; so, the slaughtering during the Vietnam war...was not just that ONE 'Mei Lai' incident! Just about last year, I watched a documentary concerning these "COLD BLOODED KILLERS!" They just talked as if it was their job, with a very cold expression. If they regret doing what they did, was not that clear. They tried to dodge any questions that were too personal. And of course: THEY were never convicted! Just as the Plejarans have said: THEY(SOG & SO) are the "Killer Clones!" Mentioned in the Prophecies! Edward. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 349 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Edward, I had just turned 18 when I entered the U.S.A.F. in 1968, and I was quite shocked to discover about myself that, after only about 72 hrs with almost no sleep, little food, painfully inadequate clothing for the sleet, and pychological abuse commensurate with the physical abuse, I broke, and "decided" I COULD kill humans if ordered to do so. I am still ashamed. Happily, I was never put to the test in Viet Nam, but was sent to Germany for the completion of my four years of duty as a radar technician. But now at least I understand how ordinary humans can be quickly turned into the "deadly fighting machines" we were proudly told we had become. And I lost my fear of death. I can even understand how SOME humans can even be conditioned to ENJOY killing. :-( Salome, Dyson (Scott: dunno where this goes, so - finding it here, I answered it here) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 945 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Dyson, Chances are your duty if sent to Vietnam with your training would have been less hazardous....I had the "privilege" of continuing my duty in South Vietnam (USN)..as a radioman...Yes humans can be conditioned to do many things, good and bad as has been mentioned in Billy's latest release (Bulletin 30) Salome Scott | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 682 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi goede vrienden Dyson and Scott... Yes, WAR can only Condition Man, to take Revenge over and over. I guess, a good example would be the war in Iraq(just as Mr.Bush and Co PLANNED! Now Everybody Is Killing Everybody/Anybody!). Thank you both for sharing your experiences. Destiny has been good to you both, and that you both did not have to exercise your services in the War Zone - Man To Man. You both out-lived the war, without any harm. And we are all gracious for you both to be alive and kicking, and can help us all, and by assisting Billy with The Teachings Of The Spirit. Positive Destine...it is! And So Be It! Edward. | ||
Patm New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2006 |
As we are all students and teachers, depending on perspective and focus, we project or receive energy. It is the transfer of energy that makes the learning process happen. It is what life is all about. It isn't so much about the content of knowledge as it is about the energy transferred in the knowledge trasfer (This is something you can't do alone it must be a shared transfer of energy). Everything you learn only serves a purpose if you share it during this physical existance. We will start our little journey today sitting right here at this computer keyboard. Reading the text scroll across the screen. Translating that text into the thoughts that spark ideas which stimulates questions. Just wanted to thank you all for that... | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Dyson and Scott... I never knew you both were in the military. Must've been tough, to say the very least. Do you guys think that one of the CIA modes of operation (torture) is to constantly scare someone, all the time by following their every move and giving them no possibility for freedom by using the police services for purposes of intimidation through sirens, police officers in certain areas, and other personnel in order to keep the person in a constant state of panic, sort of like a reward and punishment system where the rules are arbitrary and don't make the least bit of sense, in order to induce in that person a feeling that they are losing their mind? For what purpose would they do this and how can one disentangle oneself from this mess, if this is truly what they are doing?? Thanks... | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 10-2005 |
Fear is good for one thing... control. | ||
Mqhassan New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hello Everybody, I wonder what Billy thinks of the URANTIA Book, and who wrote it ?? Why is it a mystery till now after 50 years ? Any E. T. connection ? Regards Mohammed Baghdad | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 354 Registered: 03-2004 |
Randy, you consistantly misconstrue the teachings in almost every single post you contribute. First LEARN the renewed teachings, THEN teach them. First LEARN the renewed teachings, THEN teach them. First LEARN the renewed teachings, THEN teach them. This applies to everybody here who has not studied the renewed teachings yet. Fear is a natural and VITAL instinctive part of all higher animals, us included, created by Creation to keep animals and humans from falling off cliffs, etc. and can be "unlearned" by humans who can REASON, as expressed by BEAM on his 1st contact. (Similarly, Randy, your other posting today about dreams, spirit, etc. has many errors of fact. I cannot pull you up on all of them all by myself.) Fear IS also naturally used as a control mechanism by the Powers That Be. That's why they publicise their torture. Not to frighten the tortured, but to frighten the REST of us. Salome, Dyson | ||
Whappybugger Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 05-2004 |
To scott (the moderator) Hi Everybody, I dont make posts very often even though I have known about the mission for quite sometime now. This relates to thinking and thoughts, however it also relates to non figu. I would like to ask somebody, anybody on the role of cannibis and its effects both positive and negative. We are fed propaganda on how its so damaging to our mental health, and i have heard that it causes many people to become psychotic, moods swings etc. I know personally that it depends on the person and the amount they use. the plejaren have stated that no drugs at all, in order to maintain a healthy psychie. (not in those words - just how i understand it) I am surrounded by so many conflicting views about cannabis and its uses. for example the fact of since we humans arrived here at the same time as this plant, the many and varied uses of it that can replace crude oil, cotton etc, logical thought tells me that if it can do all these and be the most nutritional (omega 3,6,9 in perfect balance)food in direct proportion to the human body. what is the real danger in using it if u are mentally stable to so. Also i hear of many people meditating to it as it opens there mind allows them to find peace in themselves. The purpose of my post today has anybody posed the question to billy meier about this devilish/angelish plant? the fact that there specific canaboid receptors in the brain designed for it, the fact that noone seems to have real answer in this world as to how it really works (because its illegal they allow or publish real results) Is it proven that psychosis is caused from cannabis, is it the fact that the person is mentally unstable anyway. And what about other naturally occuring drugs like Mushrooms, that have entheogens to stimulate and reopen the third eye at the base of the brain that can see in to fine matter. I have researched myself and drawn many of my own conclusions, but i feel i can only get the real truth here. p.s i am putting all the political things to the side about it, as i want to know for sure if this substance is negative to our progression. Thank you for reading, apologies on any bad grammar. Peace be within.} | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 217 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey whappybugger, here's what i think... if you are curious about pot, due to the effects it has on ones mind and body, then i think it is positive for your progression. if you are using it to escape the harsh world around you, i think it's negative towards any progression. i know first hand the benefits and the downside to this plant... at it's most extreme, it will effect your memory (short term memory) and darken your eyes... that's about all i can say , and this is coming from somebody who at one point in my life, had been smoking half an ounce a day easily. due to certain reactions of your body in response to the plant and it's properties, you may feel tired. that's all positive or negative depending on if your an insomniac or not. i think it has medicinal values that are great, but if you dont need the medicine and just want to "trip out", well it all comes down to personal opinion. i used to like getting high before i go to sleep,,listen to some music and that 's that, but you can only do that so much where you come to the point that you think, "why should i smoke up when i can just use that time to meditate"? you know what i mean man? | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 263 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Whappybugger about mushrooms etc a friend of mine who also posts sometimes here, told me that in Arahat Athersata (or was it in the OM?)there is a brief mention about hallucinogen drugs, i dont remember very well but i think it said something like if those drugs somehow slowed the perception of things, something like if they brought you to a more "primitive" state of conciousness, and then when you return form the "trip", your mind becomes clearer, your perception is "sharper", and you quit trying to change things but begin to see the beauty of things and accept life as it is. . . i once asked a FIGU core member about these drugs and she told me that using ANY drugs was dangerous, i also asked Billy here in the forum and he told me that they had no use for spiritual stuff, i think that both answers (knowing the info above and investigating about many scientific studies and traditions) come in a very big portion from simple responsibility, that is: it is naturally no good idea to recommend anyone to use drugs, specially if you dont know the person, but that doesnt means that they cannot have positive effects, but one must assume the responsibility if another person hurts or even kills himself by ones words. . . in the case of drugs, it all depends on who uses them, why does he/she uses them, which one does one use, in which quantities, in which circumstances (place), in which mental state you are, in which physical health state you are, etc etc im no promoter of anyone using drugs but also i dont like lies, so i´ll mention a few facts about "hallucinogen" drugs (mushrooms, peyote, LSD): -they produce no physical addiction -as far as i know nobody in the history of humankind have ever died because of them, in change every year millions and millions of persons die because of tobacco and alcohol (well maybe there have been some accidents with some mushrooms but that is because of ignorance and that probably amounts to less than 0.00000001% of the deaths produced by other drugs / I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO FIND ANY CREDIBLE REPORT ON ANY DEATH, in the papers in books or wherever) -they can be useful to treat several disorders (obviously more scientific research is needed) -people doesnt become insane by using them (they can produce traumatic experiences but also cathartic ones / it all depends on who uses it, why, his mental health etc etc etc) some other hallucinogen drugs can be more dangerous, some mushrooms can be toxic (like Amanita Muscaria), some can produce contractions that can result in an abortion, several produce vomiting, anxiety and many other things, naturally it is wise to be well informed before using anything i thought some time ago about using these drugs, but i didnt, because i was to because of the wrong reasons, that is: i wasnt happy with my life, and i wanted to escape, i wanted an easy solution instead of struggle. . . from all i have read, probably i would had been benefited from the experience if i would had tried (i would have seen things more clearly and find more easily the solution), but i made my choice and im doing fine. . . once im really in balance and harmony (im working on it!) i´ll try just to experience and know (all persons who had positive experiences with them tell that it is one of the most beautiful and enriching experiences of their lives), after all even if reincarnation is real one only lives once, YOU (as you are NOW) will never live again. . . i hope this helps take care | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 04-2006 |
Drugs are enemies of the consciousness.Your capacity to perceive through your senses is absolutely distorted and therefore there is no connection to reality, just to fantasy. You won`t find anyone practicing real meditation (buddhist satipatthana meditation for example) recommending drugs in order to "improve" your experience. Drugs may improve your concentration during a short period of time.But you cannot consume drugs everytime you want to meditate or have some kind of interesting experience. For me, there is only one use for drugs: clinical medical use, to soothe pain and suffering, and always under medical prescription. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 949 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, As I understand the teachings the average stay for the spirit in the fine matter world with a normal population on this planet would be about 152 years. I have thought, since the Plejarens live approximately 10 times longer than the current earth person, would that mean their stay in the fine matter world would be 10 times greater or approximately 1500 years? Also let’s say our planet returned to a “normal” population size, I would assume the stay in the fine matter world would increase to the 152 years. Now if there were some type of epidemic on the planet would the time on the other side be proportional to the decrease in population, in other words would the spirit stay in the fine matter world longer? Is population the sole determining factor for how long the spirit remains on the other side? I’m sure there are more factors to this, but it is something I have thought about today. Any comments……… Regards Scott | ||
Whappybugger Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 05-2004 |
, Thankyou everybody for ur posts. Its nice you mention payoti! And its nice a varied view. I feel hector is quite harsh in what he is saying there, however that his experiences - as there is no right and wrong just learning experiences, Granted a balanced healthy mind is needed, but for something like mary jane, that can replace all of our damaging industries such as cotton, (chemicals) paper (creating wastelands of chemicals) petrochemical, and essential oils, make up paints plastic, how can in logical thinking then that the other fruit of this plant to be negative on the consciousness? For example u need food to eat, water to drink, and also recreation is also healthy, but everything in its balance! In shaman times and american indians, all living in harmony with laws of creation, mushrooms that have entheogens for the brain are not negative, they are said to helped the developing earth humans develop a mass braincells for communication and development. As the earth climate changed the humans main diet moved on to mushrooms.http://www.thehemperor.net/index.html I read it on this website and it makes sense, alot of things make sense on this website, the right to experiment with ur consciousness, learning about the negative an positive things what it can do. would it not be fair to say that to reach completion u need experience most of the things creation has to offer? Like trying a new food for ur mind? As long as u kept to the rules of the drug / chemical and didnt abuse it would open many doorways, rather than the mass consciousness being legally restricted to alcohol? arent drugs just like food for your mind helping u to see things in a different way? and then worn off and then u can meditate and reflect on that learning experience? Just like anything else. Peace everyone, this is just a little piece of me that doesnt agree entirely with the plejarens view, for example the chemical rush of sex is technically a drug and they enjoy that too. Y are drugs (clean reliable sourced unmixed drigs) frowned on. I know from the contacts notes that plejaren make mistakes too, lee elders for example! Would not be nice to sit and have joint in the spacship with them and really turn the windows green?! On another topic id have a look at the mayan calenders on google videos, very interesting, we are only just understanding what they have handed down about creation! very similar to contact notes. Thanks for reading Saaloome | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 04-2006 |
Scott, If you live according to creational laws and commandments the period you stay in the beyond becomes shorter because it is simpler, easier for the consciousness block to analyse and " digest" all the knowledge gathered in your previous life. That should be the reason why Nokodemion reached Arahat Athersata level in just 20 billion years when the average time to get there is 60-80 billion years.Fortunately for us, Nokodemion is teaching us here on Earth. In my opinion, if you live according to creational law, creation itself gives privilege to all those who struggle, to all those who make a real effort to evolve faster. And sure, population changes affect how much time a spirit stays in the beyond. But remember, we are talking about periods of 60-80 BILLION years.(Homo sapiens is just 4 MILLION years old).The plejaren are 25 million years ahead in terms of spiritual development.There will be enough lives and reincarnations at the disposal of anybody in order to gain wisdom/knowledge. If the plejaren have longer lifetimes, sure they will gain more wisdom/knowledge and they should stay longer in the beyond. Hope this helps | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 218 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey scott, what about your age, does'nt that have anything to do with how long your spirit stays in the spiritual realm? because is'nt it something like 1 and a half times the years you lived on earth, that's how long you'll be in the spirit realm... so if i lived to be 200, i would'nt be in the spirit realm for 152 years but rather 300 years? or something like that? | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 203 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Scott, This is similar to this question I asked Billy: Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 12:30 am: Dear Billy, If a billion people or more die in a near future war, or WWIII, presumably only a few of the present billions here will be able to incarnate in the future. Especially if we reduce the population to 500 million, how will all the spirits around the earth be able to incarnate? Will they be forever waiting, perhaps never able to incarnate for thousands, or millions of generations? Will there then be extreme competition to be reborn on this planet for everyone? Thank you, Chris Answer No spirit form that has ever begun his way of becoming and passing away (reincarnation) will ever be lost or waiting forever. There is no competition. The spirit forms would have to wait like standing in a queue. Waiting for thousands or even millions of years is no problem if you look at the very long time span of the present waking state/period of our Creation. [Answer ends.] If the population were to be reduced considerably by any means there would be fewer people to bring new lives into incarnation. So maybe the rest time in fine matter would then be a longer. As far as I understand the Meier material, other than population there is the matter of spiritual development to consider with regards incarnating. As the world progresses spiritually, any spiritual laggards or lesser-developed spirits will find it increasingly difficult or impossible to incarnate because they will not be on a level compatible for future incarnation until the world's populace again evinces their level of development, or a level at which they could incarnate. Perhaps this could well become an issue if WW III occurs, considerably reducing the world population. If at the end of such a war more spiritually developed beings remain, only those more compatible with such a level will be able to incarnate. If WW III occurs there will likely be a vast number of spirits waiting a very long time to incarnate, as I understand Meier's material. As for Plejarens: Does it check out mathmatically that Quetzal was Gabriel 2000 years ago? Did that mean Gabriel would have died soon after then, the spirit rested for 1500 years, and then next incarnated as the present Quetzal at...what age? He couldn't be more than 500 years old now for the maths to work. It seems logical that they would stay in the fine matter realm 10x longer if they lived in the coarse physical 10x longer. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 12-2005 |
Scott, Doesn't the spirit reside in the spiritual realm, at all times? The fine matter world is the residence of electrons, neutrons(sic), positrons,etc(as per my most recent,answered, question to Mr.Meier)? I'd expect that if the spirit resides in the brain it is via some link between the spiritual and material realms? As to your question, speaking in the context of the Meier case, I haven't a clue, speaking in an existential context, we would need to understand the nature of the spirit(and if it exists) first. Kiril | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 178 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Rarena, your post #96 in the Human Body section... Thanks once again for the sutle hints, yes I must slow down sometimes yet I feel like I will miss something if I don't, maybe it's the coffee that winds me up. If you don't mind, can we communicate via email sometimes? thanks, | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Melli, It would be my pleasure. My first name is Randy and my account is at Yahoo.com (It's just my name, don't like to post it too much). Please send the first email in order to communicate. The Peace Meditation went well today, felt good to help us all move towards peace... Randy ô¿ô | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 950 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, Thank you everyone for your answers. Hector where is it cited that Billy's Spirit attained the level of Arahat Athersata in 20 Billion years? I somehow remember it being something like 58 Billion years...I never thought of the CCB being able to process the "information" easier because you are living according to the Creational Laws..it would seem if you are living within these laws your life may also be considerably longer, which would require a longer stay in the fine matter world..It seems I remember hearing that the average person only learns maybe 3 months or 3 years worth of knowledge which is useful to the spirit..but I could be wrong in this. Kiril, I guess that could be a yes and no answer. I would say the spirit exists within the physical world when attached to the human body, but it is still connected to the fine matter world or the energy world which doesn't have physical properties of dimensions etc... If a pool of water represents the fine matter world and we sit next to the pool with one foot dangling in the water and we are the personification of the spirit, you could say we are connected to the fine matter world, but at the same time exist within the material world. This may be a crude analogy, but I think you know what I mean. I don't know if this is entirely correct, but that's how I see it..I agree the existence of the spirit has not been proven to be true, but I have thought something must be powering our consciousness, body, our ability to think etc...this may be manifestations of the power of the spirit, but it doesn't distinctly prove the spirit exists independent of the body...I am sure when and if this is discovered it will represent a leap in understanding in what constitutes a human being and what is the purpose of the spirit and how can we learn to direct our lives using its energy creatively.... Regards Scott | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 04-2006 |
I was wrong...Nokodemion reached Arahat athersata in 58 billion years, i was misinformed.....sorry | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 179 Registered: 06-2005 |
Rarena, I am not sure how to work this, my email is carouselle1@yahoo.com.au Scott, after a day or so I would appreciate if you would delete my email address here, thank you. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 12-2005 |
NOTE to moderators : My apologies for this triple post, this is actually the right one. I seem to have some type of bug in my system atm, that produced this effect. Please delete the previous two. Thanks. Hi Scott, In my postNo.132 it was my intention to distinguish the difference between course matter - fine matter - and spiritual energy/matter. On second thinking I see that I have totally misinterpreted Mr.Meiers reply to me: Fine matter == spiritual energy/matter Fine matter =! a gradation of course matter Fine matter has a nature fundamentally different from course matter(the fine matter world is NOT the residence of electrons, neutrons(sic)....). (And not too soon! this could have lead in many wrong directions, thanks Scott!!) So with that out the way, I will address the spirits connection to the course matter world. I suggest(on logical/rationalistic basis) that the spirit never enters the course matter world: Its fundamental nature is 'energetic'. To exist in the course matter world would be to change its nature. "But if it never enters the course matter world how does it effect the human?" - I suggest the answer to this is that the fine matter world can interact directly with the course matter world under certain regimes. I conclude this on the following basis: we are told that the main activity of the spirit is an energy source for the human consciousness and biological processes(?)- that means that by its own fine matter powers(field) it induces change in course matter - that is, the spirit deploys 'spiritual energy' that the human body consumes and converts to usable 'fuel'.Another interesting example is of telekinesis - where the human consciousness deploys spiritual energy, say, to produce the spoon bending effect(Uri.G). So what actually occurs is that at some point in the development of the fetal stage, by some processes(most likely related to the child bearers consciousness powers and certain biological processes), a bond is formed between the human in the course matter world and the spirit in the fine matter world. On the humans death, when, due to biological reason the human consciousness can no longer function, the spirit breaks its bond with the course matter world and returns to the energetic field that surrounds the earth. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 139 Registered: 12-2005 |
Melli, "The fact that I now understand Why the world is as it is, due the Bafath machinations over millenia and more, I have become somewhat more Positive but I still don't have "the complete picture"," Do you understand or merely hold it as an empty conviction? There is no evidence to support such a claim, by any standard other then faith - since history is a scientific matter -- most likely there can never be evidence of such beings since we are told their complex was destroyed. "...to me this remarkable idea of having a true prophet in my lifetime..." Last time I tried to validate some of the prophetic claims I came to the conclusion that it would be close to impossible to do so - since getting hold of the original publishings and validating when they were published is equally close to impossible(and till this day Mr.Horn has not produced any such material). There are of course prophecies for the near feature(espacially involving the succession of Popes) which might indicate some reality to him being a prophet, however, as it concerns the popes, it is not a new claim, and after all its a prophecy, so if it doesn't occur we still can't make any conclusions about Meier. "The online content is valuable but I found that reading it once or twice is not enough, my thinking changes with each reading. I print all the important stuff and then I begin my self tuition, and yes it is lonely but none the less it is inspiring too. " The majority of what I know today has been derived in this way - perhaps fortunately, I've always had questions people couldn't answer, which forced me to go at it alone. If you don't mind a tip: just as the principle of causality demands the interconnectedness of all elements of reality, so this principle may be extended to mans ideas in writing. I suggest that you do not focus your whole attention on the Meier material. By reading as widely as possible you will be able to relate and understand ideas more effectively and in greater depth(since you will be able to observe the hierarchy of ideas and related contexts that lead to a certain concept). For instance recently I've taken a temporary second job as web developer - and in the process of learning how to generate complex applications I've found a wealth of hidden knowledge relating to various philosophical issues! "I already started the countdown of the 700 + years until things to begin to really advance spiritually ...." Judging by the above you will probably guess that I'm not waiting for a time frame that has no provable basis - and since its a prophecy I'm quite optimistic we can reach a society of similar stature in a much shorter time! Afterall, all that is required of man is to observe reality in an objective manner - the rest is bound to follow. Surprisingly there are very few philosophical systems that do not imply or directly contradict this premise(Christianity in particular does this in a very insidious way, so that the effect becomes subconscious!). | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 544 Registered: 10-2000 |
In case this wasn't received yesterday: Hi Kiril, Not entirely correct. I am listing some of the confirmed items that I have reported on below. I should mention that I had the Contact Notes as of 1986, two years before I found the first confirmation, regarding the A-bomb testing/ozone damage connection. Also, Wendelle Stevens reported that he had Contact 115 in his possession as of March 9, 1979, that Meier first published in October 1978. He showed it to two other trusted people, who also read and signed off on it before a number of the specific predictions were fulfilled. 7th Contact, February 25, 1975, and 35th Contact, September 16, 1975: Connection of A-bomb testing, explosions to ozone damage; high-frequency "elementary radiations" unknown to terrestrial scientists; damage to Earth's rotation, magnetic disturbances, polar displacement; contribution of bromine gases to ozone damage; penetration of UV through holes, killing micro-organisms and leading to disruptions in food chain, genetic mutations and other long-term negative effects for humans and the planet. Corroborated: November 29, 1988, with report published by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories announced this "new discovery": "Atom Bomb Testing Tied to Ozone Depletion", 13 years after Meier had already published it. Consider that this damage was first mentioned to Meier during a contact on February 4, 1956, when he was just 19 years old, an astonishing 32 years before the Livermore announcement. The extraterrestrial woman, Asket, specifically referred to some of the catastrophic damage done to the environment, humans and other life forms by atomic bombs. She pointed out that the great atmospheric disturbance would result in climate changes, adverse weather conditions and lead to genetic mutations in plants, animals and humans as well. Corroborated: 1991, when National Public Radio confirmed the connection between bromine gases and ozone layer damage. Corroborated: February 24, 1992, Los Angeles Times, "Ozone Hole Damages Food Chain". 29th Contact, July 7, 1975, and 31st Contact, July 17, 1975: Contact involved specific information about Venus, unknown at the time, including composition of atmospheric gases, surface temperatures, depth of clouds, wind speeds, atmospheric pressure, colouration, variation in terrain, etc. Corroborated: October 1975 and August 1976, confirmed by probes from the USSR and USA respectively. Corroborated: February 1981; USGS [US Geological Survey] was producing a topographical map of Venus which, as discovered by the investigative team, further confirmed the details Meier had published five years earlier. 31st Contact, July 17, 1975: Semjase informed Meier that Mt Chimborazo, Ecuador, is the highest mountain on Earth (when measured from the center of the earth), contrary to Meier's belief that it was Mt Everest. Corroborated: June 1996 in Earth magazine, 21 years later. 45th Contact, February 25, 1976: Semjase (Meier's extraterrestrial female contactor) warned him that our extraction of petroleum and natural gas from the Earth, the damming of waters and construction of huge cities are major factors contributing to increased earthquake/volcanic activity. Corroborated: June 27, 1990, in The Good Life newspaper (now defunct), Los Angeles: "Earthquakes, Oil Interact". 115th Contact, October 19, 1978: Meier described existence of Jupiter's rings, saying they are composed mainly of dust, particles, sulphur ions flung off by volcanoes on Io; described Io as the most volcanically active body in the solar system, and smooth, level-surfaced with no water; described Europa as ice-encrusted; Jupiter said to have 17 "actual" moons (Plejaren don't consider that all of Jupiter's satellites meet their standards for moons); described nature of Jupiter's huge funnel-shaped storm. Corroborated: March 5, 1979, NASA's Voyager 1 probe discovered the rings of Jupiter, that Io is the most volcanically active body in the solar system and that Europa is covered in ice, five months after Meier published this information. Corroborated: September 15, 1998, Cornell University scientists confirmed particulate composition of rings from Jupiter's moons (first theorised by astronomers on August 2, 1995). Meier's information is 20 years ahead of Cornell's. (While scientists believe that the source of the particulate matter is explosions caused by meteorite strikes on the moons' surfaces, Meier's information seems more accurate, i.e., matter being explosively propelled from volcanoes at speeds up to 2,300 km/hour to heights of 180 km is more likely the true source of most particulate-forming rings.) Corroborated: April 2003, Dr. Joseph Veverka, Chairman Astronomy Department, Cornell University, regarding my informing him of Meier's information that Io is most volcanically active body in solar system, "If he said that about Io, 3 to 6 months before, then all I can say is that he's right." Additional information from the 115th Contact was accidentally given to lead investigator Col. Wendelle Stevens, USAF (Ret.), and shown by him to Maj. Rudolph Pestalozzi, USAF (Ret.) and Mr O. Richard Norton, former director of the Flandreau Planetarium, Tucson, Arizona. Witnessed by the three men, the information was secured until after the following specific, predicted events occurred: Jonestown massacre (Nov 18, 1978) Overthrow of the Shah of Iran (Jan 1979) Chinese invasion of North Vietnam (Feb?Mar 1979) Iran Hostage Crisis (Nov 1979?Jan 1981) Soviet invasion of Afghanistan (Dec 1979) Terrorist attack on Iranian Embassy, London (Apr?May 1980) Abdication of Queen Juliana of The Netherlands (Apr 1980) Death of Tito of Yugoslavia (May 4, 1980) Mount St Helens eruption (May 18, 1980) Assassination of Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi (Oct 31, 1984). 1978, 1992: In his book, Existing Life in the Universe, Meier states that there are two small planetary bodies outside Pluto's orbit, he calls them Trans-Pluto and Uni, says scientists will discover in not too distant future. He also first wrote about this in the 1950s. Corroborated: July 3, 2001, October 7, 2002, BBC reports that scientists have discovered a new planet beyond Pluto 150th Contact, October 10th, 1981: Meier discussed information concerning the 29 actual moons of Saturn, origins of moons from asteroids Corroborated: November 2000, scientists announced discovery of 12 moons orbiting Saturn bringing the "official" total number to 28, just one shy of what Meier reported almost 20 years earlier, scientist corroborates origin of moons as likely from asteroids 235th Contact, February 3, 1990: Meier is told about an earthquake that will occur on February 28, 1990 in California. During this same contact the eruption of the Redoubt volcano in Alaska is predicted for the same date. Corroborated: This was indeed the date of the Upland earthquake in California. The activity of the Redoubt volcano actually began on February 21 and continued through February 28 with more activity following in March. 241st Contact, February 3, 1992: Contained these specific Corroborated warnings about: Landslide in Brazil of March 1992 Nuclear accident in Russia during 3rd week of March, occurred on March 27, 1992 Landers earthquake in L. A. foreseen April 23rd or 24th, 1992, occurred April 22, 1992 Eruption of Mt. Etna in April 1992, reported April 15, 1992 Eruption of Cerro Negro in Nicaragua in April 1992, occurred April 9-12, 1992 Earthquakes Germany-Holland-Belgium area for April 1992, occurred April 13, 1992 Earthquakes China-Burma April 1992, occurred Myanmar-China border April 23, 1992 Still speculative: 249th Contact, June 13th, 1994: (In response to question Meier asked regarding Mad Cow Disease), Ptaah stated, "BSE pathogens cannot be destroyed by simply cooking the meat and other items, or by producing meat meal", and that the temperatures necessary for killing the disease-causing prions would need to be, "as high as 700 C (1292 F), and possibly even up to 1000 C (1832 F), for previously mutated pathogens that have existed for some time now." Our scientists have been raising their own estimates as to the temperatures necessary to destroy the disease-causing prions and are now more closely approaching the temperatures that the Plejaren, Ptaah, stated. 251st Contact, February 3, 1995: In February of 1995, Meier published the 251st Contact, a lengthy document of enormous complexity in which he foretold the likelihood of certain specific future events. In September 2001, portions of that information were included in the book "And Yet They Fly!" written by Guido Moosbrugger, an Austrian former schoolteacher and principal acquainted with Meier for about 25 years. The following seven items, foretold on pages 347 and 348 of "And Yet They Fly!" have recently occurred and virtually in the sequence Meier foretold: 1. The strike or attack by the US and its president (Iraq). Meier even used the word "stun" when he said the strike would "...stun the entire world..." "Stun" is a synonym for the term "shock" used by the US as in "shock and awe". 2. Meier correctly predicted the following upsurge in unrest and violence from Islamic fundamentalists. 3. Meier foretold the spread of AIDS, which has indeed become very widespread. 4. Mad Cow Disease has since spread to other animals and humans as Meier also predicted. 5. Meier said that a new disease and epidemic would then appear and SARS did just that. 6. His warning regarding a renewed threat of chemical warfare is more in the news than ever. 7. Meier specifically warned of the possibility of an accident, one that he said could be avoided, however, at the nuclear power plant near Lyon, France. The emergency scenario, and the timely shut down of that exact plant, occurred on August 12, 2003. One may argue about my interpretation of some things above but the fact that the very specific warning regarding the nuclear power plant (one of 432 on the planet at the time) at Lyon, France occurred eight years after Meier forewarned of it further lends credence to his accuracy. Also, Meier's first advance warning of the Paris riots and their connection to the Islamic inhabitants was published by him in 1981 and I also first read it in 1986. And the information he published years ago regarding Vesuvius having magma chambers that extend under Rome was further corroborated in 2002. In Switzerland they have books full of the Contact Notes (reports) with pages of newspaper clippings further corroborating Meier's and the Plejaren's prophetic accuracy. Michael Horn | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 141 Registered: 12-2005 |
Michael, It remains a fact, although there is certaintly very compelling indication of the contrary(on rationalisitic grounds), that these claims(or at least those posted on your website) are not presented in such a way as to prove, unquivocally, the validity of the claim that - Mr.Meier is a prophet(or visa-versa) -- a presentation that is indipendantly verifiable, free from interpretation,etc.... in a word - Conclusive. The real question is would you st | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 12-2005 |
To moderators : Please delete my previous duplicate post. Michael, It remains a fact, although there is certainly very compelling indication of the contrary(on rationalistic grounds), that these claims(or at least those posted on your website) are not presented in such a way as to prove, unequivocally, the validity of the claim that - Mr.Meier is a prophet(or visa-versa) -- a presentation that is independently verifiable, free from interpretation, etc.... in a word - Conclusive. Please don't confuse the above as a complaint or a means of degradation of Mr.Meier - Its merely my wish to make understand my statement about you in my postNo.139. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 145 Registered: 12-2005 |
Michael, "I think that the fact that the same Contact Notes, with the same information, in the same numbered sentences, were published in at least English and German and widely disseminated, plus the fact that some of the prophetically accurate information is also published in copyrighted books, all in advance of occurrence, qualifies as meeting a standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, even a legal standard. I know of no way that the Contact Notes, as have been in the possession of numerous people, could be altered to make them all contain the same information, let alone such falsification accomplished with the copyrighted, published books. And, since Meier is the source/publisher of prophetically accurate information, he meets the standard for being a prophet...by definition. We have many kinds of terrestrial "prophets", who have varying degrees of accuracy, meteorologists, stock analysts, sportscasters, etc. who make prognostications based on taking known data and projecting likely outcomes. However, Meier and the Plejaren are apparently in a league of their own for accuracy." The key to understand how we differ in mind, in this instance, is to understand that I'm referring to the quality of presentation of the claims - that is, the form and manner of evidence(presented by those who claim it true) that supports the claim that - the events were foretold before the events occurred - and that such knowledge is derived by an individual possessing abilities within himself(that might be called supernatural(sic) - or visions(SIC!)). I think that is what people generally perceive to be a prophet and the expectation they bring to the task of validating such claims. If I understand your above quoted post correctly, it does not speak-to the issue I'm presenting. One example(Unfortunately at the time of writing this post I was not able to access your website to get the exact quote) : The validation for a particular claim, is given as an announcement made on a particular date by a radio presentation. On copyright: Co-incidently I recently spoke with a lawyer friend whom specialises in intellectual property rights. The same problem occurs as I initially mentioned(difficult to asses when the claim was originally made/published) - since the copyright needs to be validated - that is, by a written statement of a third party(in which case that statement would need to be checked for age(chemically or otherwise) - or a statement being registered(and accepted) at a legal institution(in which case the proof of age is very difficult to contest). I will end my participation in this dialogue here since my interest in the Meier case is primarily philosophical. Regards, Kiril PS: Are you going to see Billy soon, I'm interested to know if FIGU allows the release of any of the original negatives of the pictures presented by Mr.Meier. | ||
Meltoff New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2006 |
hi, i am from new zealand and i research on Hindu's culture. According to Hindu's mythology two types of person lived in earth the one is Deva(good thing) and asura(bad thing) so we are consider in which group?and the people who is living in another planet are consider in which group? plz tell me.and tell me detail of Bhagwadgita | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 204 Registered: 04-2003 |
Tony, Where did I use the b-word with reference to Wikipedia? I cited it only in support of my contention that Bearden's scalar claims are nonsense and that others are of a similar opinion. To say that I believe Wikipedia is nothing but a lie. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 144 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hey Jo-Jo wikipedia is a very interesting tool for beginners.Of course you have to confront each wikipedia definition/entry with the truth. If religions are 10% truth and 90% lies, wikipedia could be 80% truth, 10% inaccuracies/half truths and 10% plain lies.It`s my personal opinion.If wikipedia is a lie, then google is a lie and the whole internet is a lie! You should add something more to your comment! | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 212 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hector, I didn't say Wikipedia was a lie. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 294 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum members In case if you are all interested in the recent development over at the paranoiacast (theparacast.com) http://theparacast.com/smf/index.php?topic=16.705 http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1997/may/m14-011.shtml some folks just can't help themselves | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 03-2004 |
Can anyone please tell me what Billy reported in contact 205 about silver and silver based products in regard to health? I am trying to find out if silver colloidal water is healthy or dangerous for drinking according to the Plejarans. Many thanks to anyone that can help. I am only interested in this case about what Billy has reported though. I am aware of the info on the web,etc. already... Thanks again!! | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 695 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... 'Protocols of Zion'...fiction or fact? Is the 'Protocols of Zion' not also mentioned in the 'De Vinci Code'? In a documentary I once watched, it was mentioned. If I remember it correctly; it was 'fabricated' by the maker of it! And had no history value, what so ever! The so-call old/ancient materials he had in his possession, was examined and the material was not that old as he claimed it to be, with it's writings; so..this is how he fell through the basket! And there seemed to be more flaws, as was mentioned. He (and his family tree) seemed to want to have a very important position/ role in this scenario, as it seemed; and that is why he produced it. And of course, to nit it further into the De Vinci Code...as if he was part of it all, and just as important. If it was racially consciously intended towards any group of people or religion; it was not mentioned. But he, the writer, did derive much of his FALSENESS from the Israeli/Hebrew chronicles. Edward. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 08-2004 |
Maybe you should ask Billy directly through the appropriate section of the forum, Thomas. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 145 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Cpl! I would LOVE to ask Billy all of my personal questions but like everyone else, I must observe the limits set by him and the forum moderators. Because of that and because of the fact that I have more pressing questions to pose to Billy, I guess I will have to just be patient. If anyone has actually read contact number 205 and can give me a little brief on what was said about these silver products, I would be very greatful. If not, I will just continue to search | ||
Lorndarken New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2006 |
iv'e been researching on some things over the past few years and what iv'e come to find out is something very disturbing. But first i'll go on by saying what iv'e been investigating . This is something that has come to my attention in uncovering certain things. Billys meiers prophecis or preditions has been documented up untill 1995. Everything up untill now in recent events has been true and evidential in the past notes. Now on to subject 2 . This has many simularitys with another person that has predicted or Prophecized certain events that match up identical to that of billy meiers..... i bring you John Titor.... When i was on the web site www.theyfly.com i checked out a document that was said to be from Quetzal , one of the people that visited billy when he would have had visits. it mentioned that the north american agenda for global domination and that wars and plauges and famine would occure if we as humans would not stop what we are doing and learn to change our ways. Now onto John Titor. Now for all of you who do not know of this man , He is sposedly from the year 2036 and is a time travler that came to us to help stop some of these future preditions or Prophecies from taking place. In his world he mentioned that he himself was not from our time line that that he was born in the later 1990's and grew up witnessing the events that are to take place that billys preditions would come to past if we did not change our ways., he came to us in 2000 and went to message boards and began to talk to people about how we as humans are going to go through stages in life and that it would be unbarable. He left in 2001 and to be never heard from again. Some of the things that strike me to be very scary is that the future events that both billy and john has mentioned are to take place but it all could be changed due to time lines....... but with the fate of the world it makes me sad in knowing that these things will come to past and that evil will rule over us all if we stand by and do nothing to help this world....... from finding out what both billy and john has said what will happen. The simularities are of these... johns mentions that a world war 3 is to happen as did quetzal has said to billy, john and quetzal both mentioned of a cival war to happen . john mentions of his life in the future that we as americans will have 5 presidents all making up 5 terotories . quetzal also mentioned this and that further war is to happen. i really hope that this is all a lie not for my case but for everybody.. i never knew about the billy meiers case up untill a few days ago ,, but have known about john titor for some time now.. and seeing both diffrent perspectives but reliable sources that say the same thing that forwarns us of enpending danger and seeing the events happen before our eyes is just too frighting. the links to both sources are here....billy meiers case, http://www.theyfly.com/prophecies/prophecies.htm and John Titors case,, http://www.johntitor.com/ i hope this has been helpfull.. many doubt both john titor and billy meiers . and its the people who are so skeptical that they cant see whats going to happen or of past preditions that has come to past by these 2 individuals , makes me really wonder why do people even need to be warned if they are going to dismiss the information in the first place. and then see it happen to them and wonder why they were not warned. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 01-2004 |
john titor sounds like a guy who simply took billy's information about a possible world war 3, usa breaking up into 5 territories, then tried to make himself special by saying he's from the future. how is it that you can stop something that already happend. ... if i was in the future after a world war 3 where 5 territoires exist, then i know it has happend, so how do i stop it? that's a bunch of garbage. in my opinion. quetzal didnt say world war 3 will happen. how long did you say you were studying this stuff? he propably "left" because nobody gave a care about what he had to say. in my opinion. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 04-2006 |
Earth people won`t have that time traveling technology until roughly 2800d.c if we trust the plejaren calculations.I understand a time traveler from 2036 dc is pure nonsense/fantasy. There will be a lot of accidents until time-traveling technique is fully mastered.Many animals/objects/persons will be lost in other dimensions/time while experimenting with that.It has happened in the past to other space travelling species like the plejaren. It is possible to predict/prophesize the future using consciousness related powers.How is it done, i would like to know but the time is not yet ripe for me.In one of his famous readings, Edgar cayce prophesized the san francisco earthquake too. I will look deeper into it but i am skeptical on the autenticity of Titors words.I agree with Peter, i think Titor copied that information from the contact notes. | ||
Lorndarken New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2006 |
Peter_brodowski, no. john didnt steal anything from billy,, many doubt john titor because people cant see how we as humans could even phantom the possiblitis of time travle in the 21st centurey.. john had photos of his time machine , pluss he explained a lot about future events that are to take place, in some things he mentioned that has come to past , billy meiers did not mention. we as people have the tech to understand the physics of time travle, it just hasnt been discovered officialy yet.. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 129 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hector, are you saying that the Plejarens have seen our future (actually physically)? I mean in time travel, it wouldn't be possible to change the past would it, wouldn't that cause a paradox also, how can they see events that are yet to take place? Can anyone explain this in a logical points? | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 238 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey space man, i am no scientist but let me see if i can share my idea with you... we live in a certain dimension of time and space, through evolution would'nt there come a point were we are beyond the form of time and space that our universe exists in, or we as humans exist in. perhaps if i use an example. if i am an ant, i can only see very little of the world around me, but if i am the size of a star, i can see much much more all at once. perhaps time (the way we know it) and the events in this timeline, can somehow be viewed altogether, like looking at not one brick on a wall upclose, but the whole wall from a distance? sorry i am no einstein, that's the best i can describe it. lorndarken, you do not know if john titor stole the info or not, show me proof that he did not. where is his materials and proof? a picture of a time machine? anybody (especially a creative person) can build a "time machine" out of readily available materials. i CAN see how one can create a time machine and travel through time, but i do doubt john titor at the same time. "in some things he mentioned that has come to past , billy meiers did not mention" something that happens a lot on this forum... please provide evidence, quotes, books, anything that supports your claim. what did he prophecize and where if any, is the record of this prophecy or prediction? i think that one can use his or her conciousness to retrieve information from the future (i do not doubt that) and perhaps that is hard to prove to a second party, but show us the pictur eof john titors time machine. and even with the picture, how does it validate anything he says? are you saying that if i claim to hav built a time machine, and i give you a picture of it, you will believe me? | ||
Lorndarken Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2006 |
i can explain it cause i know a lot about how time travling works. first off this whole paradox theory is bs, its all made up to keep people thinking that we all live in 1 universe in physical world and only 1 time line,, this is all false. there are countless time lines ,universes, spaces, ect ... plejarens would be able to visit our own future and see what is to come if they simply wanted to through time travle. but i highly doubt they would need to in a machine since they are so advanced its impossible to understand how they are able to do so.. but through a time machine you could see the future and come back to the past and relive the same events to take place,. if you altered the events from taking place by lets say, telling everyone whats going to happen, that in itself changes into a new time line...... the time line before would still under go the events that were to take place. this is very hard for me to explain it all in writen form. it would be best for me to explain it all in speech. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 04-2006 |
Spaceman, our future is explained in contact 251... http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/contact_notes/251st/1.htm The past cannot be changed because the time traveler is in another dimension as the destination,(like two bubbles) and cannot interact.You cannot bring any object from past to future, as i understand it.(Titor says he will took an IBM 5100 computer to 2036, in the plejaren opinion that`s imposible). If you travel in time and make the trip in 1980, the future you will see is a projection of events based on the world reality of 1980.Many things will change until today`s 2006, except predictions (asteroids, tsunamis, earthquakes, etc).Because we don`t have the technology to avoid them. The prophecies were written 30 years ago and human thinking/acting has changed (for the better i hope).So any prophecy or future reading has a big part of inacuracy, because many things in the future have been fixed, but many others have been not.That is what you and i consider a paradox. The prophecy is like an aproximation to our future if we don`t change anything.In that case prophecy=prediction. | ||
Lorndarken Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2006 |
ive come up with a intresting theory as to why humans allow them selfs to be treated the way we do, you all know of how the plejarens are known to be very mental and able to do things with their mind we as humans cant even dream about doing. they had to evolve to become what they are today . well in my theory as to why we as humans allow our selfs to suffer is to become more capable in sheilding ourselfs off from others in the future , the universe that we have all been told of is a loving and caring place. what if we as humans are desinging ourselfs sub concoiusely to be able to go to diffrent worlds and be able to handle life there in extreme conditions that other life in the universe cant tolerate due to conditions or life dangering symptoms.. not that to say that we are all desining our selfs to be more or better then other life forms in the universe but, to help our selfs become what we are all spose to be desinged for in our purpose in the end at our final stage. i know it may seem a little far fetched and that this has may or may not of been talked about . but i feel diffrently about us , that we all are not some barbaric type of people that has no future. after all you me and everyone here on these forums welcome each others ideas and opinions with open arms and acceptence. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 239 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey lorndarken i agree, we have a future. "i can explain it cause i know a lot about how time travling works." are you going to provide the photo of titors time machine, or any of his written prophecies? well where did you get your facts or info about the dynamics of time travel that would make you quite knowledgable about it? are you a well rounded physicist or someone of that nature? | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 03-2003 |
Truthseeker Posted on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 11:58 pm: Greetings Billy, Comment: There appears to be a lot of talk lately about a time traveller from the future known as John Titor who made a sudden appearance back in around 2000 or so, who also had warnings for the USA in regards to world war 3, etc, in much the same way as did the Henoch prophecies. Answer The time traveller fantasy is rubbish. | ||
Lorndarken Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2006 |
hector some of the things you've mentioned about john titor is some what true but the paradox is never an event that could happen.. there are how ever divergences in time travle like lets say in sports team 1 should of won the major game instead of team 2, or certain events taking place later down the road ,or things happing to early . this and others changes are made when time travle happens in a new time line.... | ||
Lorndarken Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 12-2006 |
hector some of the things you've mentioned about john titor is some what true but the paradox is never an event that could happen.. there are how ever divergences in time travle like lets say in sports team 1 should of won the major game instead of team 2, or certain events taking place later down the road ,or things happing to early . this and others changes are made when time travle happens in a new time line.... | ||
Lorndarken Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2006 |
Peter_brodowski,, i dont have the pictures myself but they can be found on this web site http://www.johntitor.com/ its has everything about john titor. as for the understanding about time travel i've studied the mechanics of how time travle itself would work through john titors statements. apperently it all has to do with micro black holes, and force fields and cessium clocks to measure distance through time and zero point gravity. i dont know it all off the top of my head, but its not as complicated as most would think. "cern" is spose to be the first company that uses ion colliders that will discover time travle in itself and genral electirc would be the first ones to make the time machines. for this planet, hehe | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 315 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum Walking the city streets, sorrow envelops me like a heavy quilt that is thrust over my head. Like shadows in the mist, I see many figures walking about hurriedly to some destination unknown to me, yet without a brief glimpse in my direction, they fade away from view forever out of sight. I ask who may that be and where are they going, but in the end the realisation of the stark separation compounds my sadness as this invisible wall between my brothers and sisters indelibly distances us from the human yearning for love. Where may I find true lovingness in this brief, short existence and wherever I turn there is nobody but strangers walking away, reminding me again and again that the paradise is nowhere to be found. As time tumbles along forever gone onto eternity, I am alone in the amidst of many crowds yet would they not also feel the inner emptiness, the separation and the disconnectedness from their fellow brothers and sisters yearning to reach out and extend a hand if only fear, like a grim reaper, wasn't guarding the entrance. I long for the day when we can all embrace each other in the spirit of true lovingness without fear, prejudice, inhibition, discomfort, hate and suspicion and to say proudly and genuinely 'I love you'. In the mean time, I wallow in my own inadequate love for thee, ruminating in my own sentiments of the way we could have been, knowing that I for one among many can shine a light on a dark distant place. I then sense a brief ray of hope as realisation dawns that true love is about giving without expecting anything in return, it has no conditions but to merely let the bird in the cage go, to let it fly away to be free. Love is that which you action and do, I guess this is the bridge that'll connect islands together and pave a two way street for people to come together. love is a mystery | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 196 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Newintiation and members, I feel your words of sadness and try to be positive but it is a chore and a frustrating thought for me everyday. I grew up as a free spirit because of many positive and negative circumstances that were created for me for my evolutive learning experience, not that I would want to repeat the same, but now decades later I cannot offer the same freedom for my own children and their friends. So How do I create a happier place for the next generation? What burdens my psyche is the fact that I hear and see the young ones self distructing because they feel helpless roaming the streets aimlessly because parents are too busy for various reasons, many drink believing it's harmless, school curriculum is as dry and dull as the cardboard box they have been fitted into, Parklands have been sanitized, nature is poluted and waterways are dangerously contaminated,(while the EPA says we can swin in them) TV movies and all shows including radio have clinically hijacked the mind of the young instilling anger and fear and while my children still enjoy some form of classical music many don't. And so everyday I dream and try to imagine a better world for us all and think WHAT can I do as a mother, How do I encourage their thinking instead of computers and trivia and absolute muck that seem like alot more fun. This situation seeing the 'aimless generation' get wasted make me feel rotten inside and I struggle with the taught everyday. Althought they still have school work to do, other idiotic and meaningless activities are literally bombarding their minds and settle in their sub-conscious to wreck their logic and overtake many other creative priorities. I often say : "go outside and day dream, look at how beautiful Mother nature is" but the response I get is "It's boring". But I take comfort in the fact that my two still listen and are willing to do other activities and love to read. | ||
Pratik11 New member Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello, Can anyone explain to me why OM is written wrongly by the FIGU? The hindi words reads as Aang not OM. I am an Indian, I know our language and how to read it, so what is the meaning of this?  | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 405 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Pratik ; It is no disrespect to your traditions , only the original form of the symbol which dates back hundreds of thousands of years on Earth ; yet is far older , from an off-world source . So it is correct , regarding this . The OM symbol then is not the newer Indian version . Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 320 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear melli Melli, I don't think it's inappropriately pompous for me to say that your kids are very fortunate to have a loving, caring, and nurturing mother who through having comprehended the truth, you would be one among few rare individuals who is the epitomy of human decency, virtue, morality, high ethical values and honesty that can only be of benefit to your children's life by the good examples you set for them. Before this sense of modesty from your conscience reminds you of some of the mistakes you probably made towards your children, like an decent human would feel, we can be content in the knowledge that because nobody is perfect, the one's that try to make things better because they aren't perfect are the one's who will do good in the long run I believe. I am certain of the fact that you'd instead say 'No, it's me who is lucky to have such wonderful children, who makes me happy and their joy is my joy just as their pain is my pain and they are the ones I live for' Good on ya Melli, it's not easy raising children but mothers do need a pat on the back to affirm just how much they mean to their children and the unbreakable unconditional love they have for them which sometimes puts us male species to shame. Thanks for your empathy Cheers Matt | ||
Lorndarken Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2006 |
i was sitting here watching the science channle and they were talking about the creation of the universe and i got to thinking, was billy ever informed about stranglets, or dark matter and what it is and what it dose and how dose it effect material in space or is it even real. ? | ||
Meltoff New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2006 |
Pratik, Hay dude your question is right but according to me that Figu's om and Indian Om may be different due to different language My request is to all member that Every country's cultures are different.Therefore plz dont do coldwar. You know the meaning of Indian Om? If Interested then reply me Thanking You, Meltoff | ||
Mqhassan Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 06-2006 |
Dear Forum Members, I have read some parts for the URANTIA Book describing Adam's arrival to Earth over 37 Thousand Years ago. The original Source of the book is kept from public and I wonder whether FIGU can inform us who they are in reality as a foundation, and from where did they get the historical information presented in the book. It looks like a space oriented religion in which Immanuel is mentioned as well, in addition an hierarchial structure of the Universe and Satan's rebellion. It clearly mentions an upper command in the Universe of evolved beings . Salome Mohammed Q. Hassan | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 406 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Mohammed ; It's my understanding that Urantia is a fraud . Since it is religious in nature , the Immanuel information they mention would not be of validity . I believe it was a government project . Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 326 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum According to billy, our modern appliances and electronic equipments produce electro-magnetic smog. To what level and degree, he didn't say other than sufficient dose can be harmful to humans health. Now as I write these words, I have been suffering from an ongoing headache that persists everytime I sit in front of a computer. I don't know whether its to do with the straining of the eyes from the bright glares of the LCD and TFT screens but I wonder how much parts per million would it require for electro-magnetic radiation to be harmful to health? Anyone have any ideas cheers Matt | ||
Pratik11 Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hi meltoff I am really interested in Spiritual things. plz tell me meaning of Indian Aum. | ||
Eddy New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hay Meltoff plz tell us the meaning and detail of Indian's Om. | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 561 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Matt I would think that LCD/TFT screens are much better than those CRT ones. As far as the level of X-Ray or Electro-magnetic wave radiation is concerned, LCD/TFT ones are a lot less or even Nil as compared to CRT ones. Not like CRT ones, the LCD screens have no Flickering, hence they are much better to the eyes. As for your headache, I would suggest adjusting your sitting posture, taking some exercise every 45 minutes….etc. One important thing is the environment of your computer area, see if you got enough of Fresh Air, lighting, free of other electric appliances or machinery ….etc. If possible, locate your computer desk close to a window rather than within a cell. Hope this helps ^_^ Regards Savio | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 700 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Mohammed.... UMMO (and all related) was mentioned to be 'Fraudulent' information: Fake as can be! And, even in the past the related 'photo images' (shown in many books) made by certain people whom said they had had an encounter(s) with their space ship(s); which had the UMMO insignia(name) visualized beneath it's disk belly. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 701 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Mohammed.... URANTIA, is indeed so-called spiritual material...that was conquered up...for 'Disinformation'! And has indeed no value...what so ever. It was even, back in the mid 70ties, even here, in the country I live a 'CULT' book...everyone should have read. I never felt attracted to the book as many others/friends have, and thus only read a couple of chapters and than gave it back to the owner. Even than: practically...everybody fell for it. Even today, I (still) come across individuals that ask me what I think of the book, and have to disappoint them, of course; that it is full of Disinformation, and the likes! Edward. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 332 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Savio Thanks for the good advice Savio :-) cheers Matt | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 407 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Matt ; Try eating alot of cherries . This was mentioned in the latest Contact Block 20 . It's a natural pain reliever ,and also , no secret on Earth . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 702 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Matt.... It would be wise to adjust your screen configuration to your eyes! Not too much Brightness, if you have sensitive eyes. Too much brightness can cause pain to your eyes(and damage)..and thus: Headaches...as time goes by. Headaches and pain in the eyes when reading is also a sign...that One should have 'Reading Glasses!' I, myself, prefer...to configurate my screen with a dark gray background with white fonts. This way my eyes do not have to work as hard as they have to...compared to a white background a black fonts. But of course, when you go on internet, you do come across sites with much white/brightness, and thus...it is best to configure to less brightness and so forth. Adjust to the best 'Softness' for your eyes. And try not to be so/too 'Tensed'! Relax...when your are working..and writing! Edward. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 333 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Marc and Edward Wow, things we learn everyday, I love cherries but never considered them to be anything other than dessert and now I have double the reason to munch on them fleshy red bulbs. Can you over dose on it Marc :-) :-) Thanks Great advice Edward, maybe I am suffering from my own ignorance from not having taken the time to read the instruction manual with this new laptop of mine, I can't locate the button to adjust the screen. Never mind, I'll find it eventually. Thanks a plenty Cheers fellas Matt | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Matt, Having been involved in several motorcycle accidents and a rear end collision in Alaska, the subject of headaches was very much on my mind. I say "was" because a doctor at Kaiser medical showed me accupressure, which did the trick. If the headache is on the left side firmly pinch the area between your thumb and forefinger of your right hand for a few seconds and the headache will vanish immediately. If it is on the right side, the left hand and if on both sides of the head both hands need a small pinching. Essentially this pinch called accupressure is sending a pulse both electrical and blood pressure related throughout your body. Sort of like jump starting your electro-circulatory system. The doctors before meeting this nadi system expert told me it was migrain, cluster and tension headaches. When this doctor showed me this method it's now very rare that headaches bother me anymore... Randy ô¿ô | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hello Pratik, I live in India too! Where do you live (In India)? and I have read that (About OM), but as one of the forum members said, it could have been changed. Dyson, can you please tell me as to which contact note of Billy speaks of the OM (the symbol), what does it say. I read from you site too about the OM. Pratik, I can't read Hindi, but all people ( I asked) said it was Aang here not OM, just as you did. In Dyson's page, it says Omfalon Murado is the full form of OM which means The Navel of Life. But, according to the Hindus it is one syllable, very scared and in actual fact cannot be written in english that doesn't address the correct (exact) pronounciation. This is why I find it hard to believe that that it came from O for Omfalon and M for Murado. Also, the different strokes in the Devagiri writting of the Hindu OM, represents various states of the mind. The Egyptians have a sound called Ankh (pronounced Onkh), is it in any way similar origin..? | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 245 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey spaceman, what's so difficult in being of the opinion that perhaps the indian "OM" is simply a copied and altered version of the real Ofalon Murado, then just changed to suit whoever's needs for whatever reason? there have been many things altered and reproduced. why are you so confident in what the indians have to say about it? just wondering | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 246 Registered: 01-2004 |
oops, sorry space man, i have confused myself, i apologize for the accusation/assumption. sorry man. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 139 Registered: 06-2006 |
Yeah thats okay, Peter! But my point is that I am not sure about the story of the OM and it is difficult to say anything is right or wrong. I mean, it (the OM) is not something that is written in one big book, it is written in various places all refering it as one universal sacred syllable and not a 'short form' of a word. Of course, it is defenitely possible that it has been altered or changed, but if we know when or how this was done it would be a good backbone to support the fact that it was changed. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 247 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey spaceman, have you heard of the "dogu"? those interesting looking clay figures found in eastern japan? | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 162 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi all, I was interested to know if the transcendental meditation (in which the Om (Aum) mantra is chanted or listened ) was effective, wether it was fantasy/nonsense or not. I think Billy does not want to unveil how this Ooomm mantra meditation works, but he says performing it has an effect on the meditator, and it is not mere fantasy as i thought.I got that information from the german forum. What the benefits are or how they manifest, i will have to find out, but i will perform both Peace Meditations and Om Mantra from now on. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 379 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, (I'm back for a moment after another week off-line due to various different telephone line malfunctions.) Spaceman, our notes here do not show that the contact notes mention the OM "letters", nor can I recall having read it anywhere else. The details you seek are also (I think) not in the introductory material in the Book OM, either. Hope this has been useful. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 140 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hector, The OM Mantra is like a note, and his thought to have various effects upon the pronouncer (good effects). According to Hindus, it harmonizes and brings mental poise. I haven't tried Trancendental Meditation myself, so I don't know how good it is but many have and they say they find peace. Peter, I have heard of those, I don't have any detailed information on them. All I know is that they are clay figures from the Jomon period. I think some have tatoos?? If they do then it could be most probably the world of the Ainu people as tatooing was (and is) a part of their culture since ancient times. I have read little about Japan, if you have anything to say kindly enlighten me on this topic. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 141 Registered: 06-2006 |
I meant work of the Ainu people...not world excuse me. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey Dyson, What did Billy speak about in the 9th contact on the Mahabharata, What does it say? | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 248 Registered: 01-2004 |
well i dont have any kind of deep information into that matter, but if it's of any worth, i always thought they were figurines of perhaps biological androids of some space travelling race, but that's just my thought. apparently they were only found in the east and not ever in the western part of japan. i dont see the connection they have to the ainu simply because what, because of the location they were found and markings that look like tattoos? i'm not sure if their tattos or not, but i would like to know why whoever associated them with the ainu, how they came to that conclusion. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 340 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum It's highly likely that I could be wrong about this but I couldn't help it but see some correlation of figures in this passage---- Billy: Why didn't you do that with those who later fled to South America? Ptaah: They did not present a danger to the world and mankind then nor do they today. Since that time they have dwindled into a small group which possesses no fighting power and is slowing dying out. The group consists only of men and it is unlikely any descendants will result from them. They have an aversion against women and children and live purely for their technological interests, and their desires to control the world. The latter they will have no capability of achieving, of course. Although they frequently travel the world in their flying disks, which have even been sighted occasionally, they nonetheless live as recluses. With the fear of being betrayed by newcomers, they solicit no followers from the outside world. Furthermore, they have grown old since the war, with the youngest being 78 years today. The entire group currently consists of a mere 334 men from the original of more than 2,000. The others passed away from illness or perished in accidents, e.g., when their experiments went awry or their flying disks crashed." with------- 154. Durch ihr Ausgestossenwerden verwirkten sie jedoch sehr vieles, denn alle Möglichkeiten einer technischen und auch sonst wissenschaftlichen Weiterentwicklung wurde ihnen unterbunden, so aber auch alle ihre Forschungen usw., was dazu führte, dass ihr Lebensalter ganz rapide absank und heute nurmehr durchschnittlich 94 Jahre beträgt, was im Verhältnis zum heutigen Menschen umgerechnet praktich nur noch um zwanzig Jahre höher liegt als beim Durchschnitt in europäischen Gebieten. 154. Due to their expulsion they, however, forfeited very much, because all possibilities for technical and otherwise scientific further development was prevented for them, as also however was all their research, and so forth, which thereby led to the quite rapid reduction in their life expectancy, and today still only amounts to an average of 94 years, which in relation to today's people converts to practically only about 20 years higher than the average in European regions. 155. Dies bedeutet für die von uns <gizeh-intelligenzen> genannten Abtrünnigen, dass sie langsam dem Aussterben anheimfallen und heute nurmehr weniger als 2100 an der Zahl sind. 155. This means for the renegades, called the "Giza Intelligences" by us, that they are slowly dieing out, and today are still only fewer than 2,100 in number. 156. Durch völlige Isolation zum freien Weltenraum werden auch diese Restlichen in weniger als drei Jahr zehnten nicht mehr sein, denn sie sind alle schon alt und nicht mehr zeugungsfähig. 156. Due to complete isolation from free space, these remaining ones will also be no more, in fewer than three decades, because they are all already old and no longer capable of procreation. 157. Trotzdem aber halten sie noch bösartig an ihren herrschaftssüchtigen Plänen fest und geben sich nicht geschlagen. 157. But in spite of that they still maliciously hold firm to their tyrannical plans, and they don't see themselves as beaten. So---- from contact Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Reports, Volume 2 70th contact Thursday, January 6th, 1977, 00:01 AM Pages 406 - 410 To 254th contact conversation with Ptaah on November 28, 1995: In the intervening 18 years and 10 months, it culminated in what Ptaah had expressed. My theory, although I could be wrong is that, the ramnants of the Nazis that escaped to South America in their Flying Tops were infact part of the Gizeh Intelligence personels. This would mean that the gizeh intelligence were actually actively involved with the Hitler Regime during the war activities. On the physical level, they may have been actually there engaged in the war activities under hitler and not just from behind the scene, telenotically influencing the leaders of the Nazi regime. So when they foresaw the end game, they retreated with ample amount of time to their South American bases underground and in the mountains. Another thing, seeing as the gizeh intelligence knew so well that an overt act of aggression against the terrestrial humanity would've meant that, they would have had to deal with the plejaren forces, by using the Nazis as a front and acting as a supporting role, be it with the help of their own gizeh scientists and political advisors through the vril and thule society, this meant they were safe from the plejaren attack. I know this maybe stretching the long bow but........... Can you dear forum members see also, some corrollary data that looks like it conforms with what Ptaah and Billy said about them in the intervening years, if you put these two together?. It just looked this way for me Oh, btw, with all the ufo crash retrievals supposedly done by the military around the world, especially the US, I don't think that the 6 ET craft, billy said, that supposedly crashed and some that were retrieved is nowhere enough to justify the many numbers purported to have been retrieved. This indicates that, various governments were actually retrieving these south american nazi crafts and/or their own crashed experimental crafts. It also looks like, various governments are retrieving each others crafts as well. This then brings up another interesting question, how many factions or quasi government entities exist now that are competing against one another for supremacy and which faction does Dr Greer work for? Cheers Matt | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 341 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dea forum Oh, sorry, another thing. If those gizeh intelligences who were involved in attacking Billy were deported back in 1978, then obviously, those GI who partook in the Hitler war may not have been included among them. This may indicate why some of the neo-nazis were able to attempt an assasination on Billy. This would mean that out of the 2,100 or so Gi and the neo-nazis, they may have actually been grouped under the same number, meaning that out of 2,100, some of them would've been deported to a far-away prison planet and some still remaining on earth and that out of ones who have remained on earth, they must be all terrestrial or there might be some ET GI still left among the number. This brings up another question Since this contact --254th contact conversation with Ptaah on November 28, 1995:, took place 11 years ago, out of the 334 men, most by now would have passed away. Then what will happen to their flying discs I wonder? Would there have been a collective protocol for every craft and blueprints within their possession to be destroyed before everyone in the group passed away? If not, then I wonder if some of them had divulged secretly to a few outsiders, of their existence and if so, who may that be? Since we are talking about incredible technologies here, I am sure the secret government must also know about their existence and want to find out about their whereabouts just as many other people do? Or have they worked in concert with them? This topic brings up so many unanswerable questions then it answers. Cheers Matt | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 06-2006 |
Peter, In no book were they associated with the Ainu, I gave a guess (which could also be wrong) as Ainu people had settled long ago in Japan and also had facial tatooing in their culture. However, the Ainu settled in the north and not in the east. Wikipedia says more check it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogu I checked it out yesterday and found that they are also speculated to be Grey alien type beings. Do you think Billy will have knowledge about this? | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 186 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Matt, If you go back to some of my previous posts you'll see that I've been discussing much about the X-German Nazi UFOs for some time now and have had many debates over the last few years with a guy who had became well known here as TerraX. But to make a long story short and to save you some time in looking up my previous posts, I'd say you're well on the right track regarding the GI and X-German Nazis. What I discovered in particular was that many of these X-Nazis and GIs back in the 1950s, beginning in 1952 to about 1961, they had in fact attempted numerous contacts with individuals under the cover of calling themselves Venusians or even Martians. And if that was not enough there were still a few others during that time who played the further role of claiming to be a UFO contactee of the Venusians, such as George Adamski, which of course only favoured the deceiving goals of the Giza and X-Nazi's both. In particularly and very common was a German made UFO called a "Haunebu II", which soon became known as the classic Adamski saucer. Of course once most the Germans died out, it was not long before the famous 1950s Adamski saucer became obsolete. By pretending to be Venusians it was their hope to gain mass followings in a kind of new religion. I'm glad to see someone else doing some good research. James Truthseeker | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 249 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey spaceman, well it's hard to say what billy will have knowledge about, he didnt really have much info about the hyperboreans when i asked, so perhaps he wont have any about these guys, but then again he has given good little bits and pieces of other interesting things in earths history here and there. it could be worth a try to ask him about it. i also have read somewhere that they are speculated to be grey type beings. i dont know but they dont look like those text book greys that most people are used to seeing. well whatever they are, i guess it's worth asking billy about it on the next round of questions. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 344 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day James Thanks for the tip James, it looks like alot of people like yourself have done a thorough research and asked the relevent logical questions before people like myself took any interest in them. But you know the funny thing is, logic seem to point in the same direction, irrespective of whose mind it is formulated from. Just on another point, anyone who has delved alittle into the topic of ufology would have at one point in time come across a man by the name of Phil Schneider. Some of his claims seem ludicrous although in one of his lectures, he does support the validity of Billy Meier's case as genuine. Is there any truth or some corroborative information out there that supports his claim that some ET greys have underground bases deep below the Dulce base for which he lost a couple of his fingers and got shot in the chest from a laser gun? According to Billy's information, the claim that during the Eisenhower administration, there was a pact made with these greys of which Phil Schneider talks about, called the Greada Treaty is total nonsense along with the claims made about the philadelphia experiment. Just on another point, although it has been beaten ad nauseam to death about Bob Lazar, a lot of people still go around believing his story to this day. Although billy did mention that his claims are fraudulent, it looks like he did see something and was involved in something covert. I don't know, but the current trend in the area of ufology seem to come at a dead end. People will just be going around in full circles after another big circle, opposing, counter-arguing, debunking, disinforming, pretending, lying, distracting about one claim after another and in the process it seems, the truth gets lost and buried in the muck, made unrecognisable to the point where it becomes unimportant and a non-issue, just as long as they win the argument. It seems like it's going to be like this for a very long time unless of course, the ETs land on the white house lawn as some detractors want happen, which is the only way, they claim, they'll be convinced. But then again who the hell are they that the ETs have to subserviently cater to their whims. Anyway, there just too many sticking points made all the more worse by really very stuck minds out there. Cheers Matt | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 251 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey mat, people that think outside the box and dont get mixed up in mainstream ufology (which is i guess designd to keep you running in circles), people who listen to everything with an open mind and use logic and better judgement will come to conclusions that most people (as interested and dedicated to the truth of ufo's e.t.s and similair events as they may be) will not get to. take james truthseeker for example. he is by far not the only one, but he's a great example of what a real truth-seeker is all about. just my opinion | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 187 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Matt, Now that you mention Phil Schneider, here is my take on the guy. He had a means of fictionalizing something that he likely knew more about only to be double crossed by his associates which ultimately cost him his life, so that people would believe him evermore so. The Philadelphia experiment created by Carl Allen was likely and eventually used as a cover for something else. Dulce is likely a place where they are making an Army of Clones. Peace in being, James Truthseeker | ||
Psycloud Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 06-2006 |
I have seen lectures from phil schneider as well, He seems like what he is lecturing over he believes in, but that doesn't mean it actually happened, and he supposedly had element fragments upto 140 on the periodic table, which might be hard to obtain, I think it is good to review his information, but with a watchful eye, I don't believe everything he says, but it makes me wonder whether the government implanted false memories into him. I am truthful to the extend at which I know the truth. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 347 Registered: 07-2005 |
g'day peter, James and Psycloud Yeah, I agree there peter, good point. James, you mean to tell me that Phil Schneider was an misinformant himself? OR A mind controlled puppet whose strings were pulled by the secret service, meaning that this whole scenario of whistle blowing thing was carefully orchestrated and Phil being used as a pawn to set examples on future would be whistle blowers, what will happen to them if they too crossed the line? OR He was genuinely a disenchanted ex-government employee out to settle a score for whatever grievances he may have had with them? OR That he was just a big lier? OR He was either in bed working for one competing faction whose goal was to blow the whistle on projects that they couldn't get a hold of nor participate in the sharing of the financial rewards thus, him being used for this purpose until he was eliminated by the other competing faction? I have no idea Yeah Psycloud, it was an interesting lecture found at googles and youtube, where would we be without technological progress, Thank truthness Cheers fellas Matt | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Matt, From what I heard so far is that here you have this guy Phil Schneider, who was pulled into a set-up which worked so well to such a degree that as soon as he had disseminated enough information to the general public, he was no longer of any more use to someone after he had fulfilled a certain purpose. It would appear as though he was a key figure in helping to perpetuate a public fear campaign against extra-terrestrials and the reason why it worked so well is because he believed it. BTW: This information is not new. Peace in being, James Truthseeker | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 351 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thanks James for your insightful input. Just on another note and I have to say it folks Maybe my value system is skewed to the point of being abnormal BUT I think Christmas is abominable, dispicable and a very expensive mistake. I walk the streets of the crowded city streets and I see people almost to the point of being obsessed, taken away by the fervour of tradition, reflected in their mad shopping spree because 'it's supposedly the thing to do at christmas'. Yet it's suppose to be the festive season, time for celebration but I hardly see anyone among the tens of thousands I come accross during the course of the day, SMILING, instead I see through their body language and expression, full of doubts and worries, deeply engrossed in their own little world. And who among these hypocrites are they truly thinking about Jesus Christ, his birth and that of his supposed life and suffering for humanity? I don't know for whom they are shopping for or why but every supposed christmas present they buy for another, it reminds you of the stark clear deficiencies and inadequacies of the free market system as well as the minds that it is born from. Sure, it helps the businesses that employs the people, who can earn a living to put the food on the table and guarantee that basic human needs of the individual and his family is satisfied for the continuation and preservation of life, to which we owe many ingenious creativities of those that came before our time, to help build the kind of society we take for granted and YET Among the millions that live in a particular country, who among them does not worry about having to pay the bills on time, who must meet certain deadlines and always get the feeling of being chased and running around like a headless chook all day only to come home and sigh 'phew, what was all that about and what was the point'. The enormous disparity and the gap between the rich and poor even a monkey could recognise but the point is, as inflation goes up, so should the rate of pay and renumeration for workers but seldom is this a reality. Everything except the basic wage has gone up and if it does, it's grossly insufficient to the point of being laughable. Somewhere along the line, some people had decided putting every god damn thing manmade, the nature and man himself to the speculation market was a good idea, but was it?. The system will continue to enslave the lesser brethrens, so to speak until the day of his last breath when his children can take over the slave role but in the mean time, they can enjoy the christmases that come each year, feel a tinge of guilt for passing by the salvation army donation bucket without putting anything in and continue to stoically put on a mask of defiance to walk the streets whilst inside themselves a silent betrayal of emotions is quitely eating away at any vestige of inner securities that they may have had. Yep, we have truly entered the silly season alright. Cheers Matt | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 06-2006 |
I think Christmas is abominable, dispicable and a very expensive mistake Matt, I fully agree with you here --- your words are an echo of what I heard myself saying only 2 days ago. What is really sad to me, is that children are programmed to expect lots of presents under the tree, and parents, who are struggling to make ends meet, are compelled by the 'season' to blow their money on often useless gifts --- commercially engineered to suck kids into thinking they want this and that. I have had to be a tough mum, and not fall for it over the years with my children. And I must note that it caused them quite a lot of trouble with their peers -- and one child felt quite deprived not getting the advertised brand named versions of things that were grossly overpriced. She expressed to me recently, how different to everyone she felt when younger, not getting these kinds of gifts, and not being allowed to have Macdonalds, Coke and food with addatives, or easter eggs. My children even complained that they felt ostracised because i would not let them go to Religion classes whilst in Primary school --- and they were almost the only children in the school in that situation --- I am hoping that one day they will understand my reasons for taking this stance. I still have two family memebers who see the giving of gifts at Xmas and other times, as a sign of expressing love and the getting of gifts as a sign of being loved --- and the Xmas tree, which I had banned in my home, has become to both these members something so important, I am stunned! I caved this year, and allowed one who is staying with me, to put a tree up, fake though it is, in a room where I don't have to view it all the time, just so as to acknowledge that not everyone thinks the way I do, and that it will not hurt me to let it happen --- it is personal choice I guess to be 'asleep at the wheel'! What is obvious is that these commercial scams are for people who just don't think! They are robots, or puppets to those that pull the strings, and they don't even know it. It saddens me deeply. I get the feeling that only global tragedy will jolt people out of this commercial bog, so they can finally understand what is important and what is not. Without hardship, and I mean real hardship, I doubt whether things will change. Robjn | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 137 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Pratik11, I'm a bit late with our answer to your post number 5 of December 05, 2006, regarding the OM or AANG symbol/words. As Billy told me yesterday, the symbol that is printed on his book "OM" (an abbreviation of Omfalon Murado) was received from Quetzal. The sign springs from the spiritual teachings and is older than the "hindi" language. Best regards, Christian | ||
James Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 07-2005 |
Matt and Robjn, I'm also in agreement with you. Me and a friend were discussing this recently. My friend enjoys the idea of Christmas and the "Christmas feeling" that can comes with it. He was concerned that the Christmas spirit was dying, but I was fairly upfront, and as I told him on another occasion, that I would love to see Christmas just die away for ever and ever I don't know whether to laugh or feel sad when I hear about all the infantile stories, fantasies and mindless spending. Maybe more frustrated than anything else. This is the year I decide to say enough is enough. I no longer wish to buy any gifts for anyone on Christmas, Easter, Valentines, Mother/Father's day, etc... but I will go along to the family/relation get-together for the eating of the food. It really is liberating disbanding oneself from nonsense culture. Welcome to Earth! | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 356 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Robjn and James I hope you all enjoy some quality time with your family and friends. Despite my misgivings, this is the world and the times we live in, so I gather we'll just have to be patiently forebearing. At least there is some sparse sign of change in the television media where they are starting to cover some stories reflecting the undercurrent of collective sentiments, be it political, historical and social. I wonder whether some of the leaders of our world can also see for themselves that unrestrained and unbridled thirst for power is in the end incompatible with maintaining life on earth and is a detriment to their own well being as well as their own future generations. I mean they also have kids of their own right? Cheers Matt | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 201 Registered: 06-2005 |
Matt, you were saying that you are having trouble with your eyes when you are sitting infront of the computer screen, this maybe an idea to try for yourself: I read somewhere a recommendation by a health practitioner who suggested to fill a cotton bag with Epsom Salt tie it up and place it under the screen, or on your lap. Personally I can't judge the benefits because I spend only minimal time at the computer but I would be curious to know if indeed this helps you, keep us posted.... | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 367 Registered: 07-2005 |
Sorry for the late response Melli, sometimes I get lost in the many threads and lose track of where I had posted. Thank you kindly for your advice I'll give it a go Melli Cheers Matt | ||
Stephen New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey all So what exactly do the the colours mean universally, say for viewing them threw telepathy? red purple green shinny-light-blue shinny-white seem to be the main ones. What does Meier say about it all?? |
