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Memo00
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Post Number: 163
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 05:28 am: | 
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hi Phil
its supposed that if your spirit would leave your body then it would die, so it is not "astral travel" . . .
it is interesting that in your dreams you don´t want your body to float, why??? are you afraid of something???
if you find out maybe you will discover things that you didn´t knew about yourself
take care |
Phil638
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Post Number: 53
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 12:34 am: |
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Hi memo,
I wouldn't know if what i was experiencing during my childhood days had something to do with astral travelling or not, it was just something someone else had told me what was probably occuring there was all. Also I've never been able to astral travel, all i felt during my childhood days was just a falling helplessly sensation followed by the sudden abrupt waking up feeling was all, but I've never been able to astral travel.
I'm extremely scared of heights, so maybe it had something to with that I guess. The thing that I didn't understand was only that sometimes I liked the dream and that sometimes I didn't like the dream.
thx phil |
Memo00
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Post Number: 164
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 08:38 am: |
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hi phil
well, the answer is inside yourself. . .
try to remain "awake" while you are falling asleep, do this many times until you become aware of the exact moment when you fall asleep, for this i recomend this simple exercise:
while in your bed and completely relaxed, listen to some music, some music that is interesting, concentrate in the music and RELAX with time and if you begin to fall asleep you will see how your perception of the music (and of everything else) will begin to change, your thougths will be of a different kind and the chemistry of your body will change, then you will be consciously in the middle of being awake and being asleep
in this state you can learn a lot about yourself, have interesting experiences and confront your innermost fears, deep in our mind (and no matter if in our daily life supposedly we are very rational) many irrational fears are rooted, and there (in that "abstract world") you can face them and beat them, you can get rid of them if you comprehend them, even the small light of a match can banish a darkness that have lasted a thousand years. . .
i hope this is helpful
the key is to increase your concentration and your awareness, then you will discover a new world . . .
take care |
Phil638
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Post Number: 59
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 11:10 pm: |
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Thanks memo I will do that and see how it goes. Also do you have any advice or know of any good links to direct me too where I can get some idea of how to analize/interpret my dreams in accordance with my waking life? The reason I ask is because I have nothing to go by on how to interpret them to my day to day life to see the meaning in them is all.
many thks phil |
Memo00
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Post Number: 165
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 11:21 am: |
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hi phil
the logic behind dreams is a little different from the one in daily life, from my experience i can tell you that the things you see in the "dream world" are like metaphors and analogies, the persons, the events and all the stuff can be symbols of something else, the more "aware" you are, the easier it is to find the connections and the meaning thay have for you,
it is supposed too that that there exist universal symbols and archetypes that have the same meaning for all persons in the entire universe (and even in other universes)
somewhere in the contact notes Billy said to Ptaah that he was working in a book about dream interpretation, but i ignore if that book is done. . .
unfortunately i don´t know any good links about this stuff, (usually there is only garbage for supersticious people, the kind of people that base their lifes in what their horoscopes say), so i can only recomend that you continually and quietly observe yourself and slowly but surely you will discover more and more
(aaaaaaaahhh and write down your dreams before your forget them, so that you can analize them later and discover the "patterns" and the logic behind them)
take care (and if the exercise i posted before don´t work for you then maybe i can recomend something else, but first try it many many times) |
Cpl
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Post Number: 120
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 07:29 pm: |
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Hi Phil, I've found that looking at the dream with the left brain by analyzing it and all the contents, images, plot/s from a logical standpoint helps root the imagery into the conscious mind and is then less likely to be forgotten. I do this first, and also take a mental/pictorial scan of the whole dream. Then, though sometimes concurrently, I look at all images, content and plot/s with the right brain, using my intuition, feeling, emotion, and sense of pictorial/imagery association, relating this to those feelings and emotional matters that have impacted me recently. IMO itÕs important to look at the dream from both these standpoints (left and right brain)in order to get the most out of it, and to prevent it Ð or details -- from being forgotten. As Memo00 says these can often be in the form of metaphor, and can relate to the past, present, or future. For many people dreams become more involved as the night/sleep goes on. Sometimes the last dream upon waking can imply a message for conduct or actions for the coming day, again often in metaphor, but sometimes quite easy to recognize when reminding oneself of what one has to or should be doing this day. For example, if IÕm forgetting to pay a bill IÕll often get some kind of symbolic reminder. Once I had forgotten to transfer my house payment to Oz, and I had a dream of the interior of a house becoming dangerous with the light fittings hanging down. This put my focus on safety at home, and from that I remembered that the house in Oz wasnÕt safe because I hadnÕt made the payment. Dreams can also express our fears, though. So one could ask, ÒIs this a fear I have, or is this actually so somehow, somewhere?Ó Sometimes, too, oneself is disguised as another person in the dream and the other person oneself. It is not always easy, but when you get dream interpretation right it is immensely rewarding, often in very practical ways. |
Edward
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Post Number: 523
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 11:41 pm: |
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Hi Phil...
Feel at ease...that Dreams are a Universal Creational Manifestation.
The Plejarans, just like us...even dream. Just like countless of other
civilizations throughout Creation.
But we must keep in mind: that every civilization has their OWN Dream
Symbols. So, the Symbols are not always the same through the Universe and
Creation.
For example: An average Plejaran...or anyone that is much Older and Higher
Evolved than the Human Beings of Earth....Would NEVER....dream of an
Earthly - Car/Automobile -, or anything that is from our Civilization.
Every Civilization has their own Symbolics; which is Adapted to their
Evolution and daily life, but I would not close out...that there may be
"Universal Symbols" in forms that Every civilization in Creation are an
Unity to, and Can...Understand and Comprehend them. A Universal
"CODE"...so to speak.
Edward. |
Memo00
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Post Number: 166
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 06:57 am: |
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hi to all
i did a little search in the web and found this site which i think has good info:
http://www.dreammoods.com/
(i was searching about how many dreams we can have every night, ´cause a friend told me that we can have 7 dreams every night but until now i only remember having 4. . .)
take care
happy dreams!!! |
Phil638
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Post Number: 76
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 02:47 am: |
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Hi Memo, Cpl and Edward,
Thanks a lot for all the advice and info you've all given me there.
phil |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 83
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 08:53 pm: |
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phil,
from my own experiences i have came to some conclusions. i'll share what i got thinking about dreams...
the mind has countless dimensions according to some, and if i were a creation, i would find it logical to create some smaller dimensions (picture the cells in your body under the microscope) and some larger dimensions, different concentrations of energy...
every thought and action is recorded from all dimensions of one mind,
when we sleep we access another dimension of time and space, and so as you would be concious in your waking life, going to sleep just wakes you up into a 2nd dimension of your own mind, like traveling to another dimension.
and it seems to me when i go to sleep, there are many different dimensions i got to each time, like maybe 5 different realities playing out like a soap opera.
also in different dimension, things are slightly changed, where buildings are, the physical design of the whole house you live in.
you a friends with different people, and some the same as in your waking life...
current events are identical or very similair sometimes,
and when you gain the awarness that you are in an alternate dimension, it's much more deep and informative.
also these realities seem to be in different times.
another thing i have thought about is if our mind is always working, then that means the subconcious obviously is included, and if you add that to the reality about time (past present future)you could say you know on a subconcious level, what is about to happen.
so if i look at a tree in the distance, my sub concious records every thing i see,
and if all things are connected, mind body, nature, time, space, then everything is already in some kind of way, known to you.
hope this helps |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 07:06 am: |
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Dear forum members
A few years ago I had a vivid dream about seeing a UFO high up in the sky flying up towards the sky and the craft looked quite grayish with back smoke coming from the back and upon observing this I was very afraid and in my excitement and terror I just remember panicking.
I don't know what to think of this dream and I have pondered on the relevence and the significance of this dream in my life, This was before I knew about billy but it has stayed in my mind ever since then.
Would you forum members have any interpretations as to what it could have meant and how out of this dream it may have been a premonition to finding out in the present of the billy's mission? |
Memo00
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Post Number: 174
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 04:58 am: |
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hi
i don´t know exactly what it means but i also dreamed about ufos before i knew about Billy and i have read that other persons in the forum had similar or related experiences
even today i continue to dream sometimes about those "things" in the sky, sometimes they arrange in geometrical formations, sometimes i only see a pair of them and sometimes they are so many that they cover the entire sky. . .
i have also experienced something similar to you, i think it is related with the "fear of the unknown". . ., but also when i see those things in my dreams i have a very peculiar feeling. . . something i cannot express very well but that it is very mysterious (at least to me) like a deja vu. . .
take care |
Kingman
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Post Number: 47
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 02:00 am: |
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I have had two similar dreams of being outdoors and camping in the woods when from inside my tent I notice light starts to increase to the point I can't see from the intensity. I realize I am about to be abducted and I loudly proclaim in my thoughts that I am not a willing participant and everything stops and I wake up.
Upon waking I visualize the setting from a distance and I see that a disk shaped object is above my tent. Then I get another vision that is of a grey type alien that seems to be backing off from approaching me. I will then understand that it's a dream even though the last part happens when I am actually sitting up in bed with my eyes open.
The first time this happened I woke sweating with my heart pounding and feeling a strong sense of fear. The second time I only felt the fear of being abducted. My overall feeling was that something extrordinary had happened to me.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 31
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 07:25 pm: |
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Dear Kingman and Memo00
Hi all, it's comforting to note that such things of an intimate nature can be shared even with strangers because I believe the moment we have set our foot on this path of truth and the very act of participating in this forum itself, although we are all one in this universe I feel much closer to everyone in this forum whose likemindedness I share and like myself searching for the ultimate answers to the fundamental questions of life.
May our pursuit of truth and our spiritual development never seize and at the same time the sense of comradery never wane between all of us here and elsewhere because we are all brothers and sisters in the end.
peace be with you all |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 126
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 11:52 am: |
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hey cpl,
im replying to a post you put somewhere about how dreams are more than just "dreams" the way a typical person looks at them.
i have discovered through effort and interest, that dreams like everything else is multi dimensional, in every sense of the word.
i noticed there are simple straight foreward dreams which convey a specific message,
i noticed dreams that reflect some eareas of what you seen or experienced the day before, or before going to sleep.
i noticed a continuity, like as if a real true actual alternate reality of your own waking life, is happening.
the plejarens said that the mind has countless dimensions, too.
i also have dreams of places from long ago and futuristic type things.
i see people more than a few times (the same people) whom have names and seem familiar, yet i cant figure out from where.
it's like an instant realization that you know this person from somewhere.
also some dreams fortell the near future,
some dreams give advice, and some dreams show you things that may interest you to research when you awake.
i think anybody who thinks a dream is merely their subconcious reflecting your desires etc...
is just ignorant and narrow minded.
i would really like to know what kind of info billy has on dreams.
not on symbolism, because one thing may mean another to another person, although im sure there are universal symbols, like doors, windows, birds flying out of cages etc.
but what about the types of dreams.
would dreams for lower evolved people be less spectacular thanthose who are higher evolved?
why do some people fly in their dreams, and others dont.
i also know a person who rarely if ever recalls his dreams.
anybody care to throw in their two cents? |
Rarena
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Post Number: 49
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 08:24 am: |
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Hi Peter,
After some practice with lucid dreaming it seems it's possible to have control of your dreams and it can be fun if... you're versed in symbology... educational.
An example of symbology: the guy that discovered Benzene's structure had a dream of a snake biting it's tail. Fleming had a dream of the garbage can holding the discarded petri dishes containing penicillian...Einstein had a dream of sitting by a railway station and saw a fly in the train. When he was in the train travelling at 60 miles per hour the fly was traveling 3 miles per hour, when viewed from the bench the fly was moving at 63 miles per hour... relatively.
So dreams are important in helping us deal with ourselves and our environment. Perception.
It is interesting to note that in our dreams, buildings or houses are you. The attic is more spiritual, the basement more sensual. If it is cluttered, so is your mind.
Anyway, lucid dreaming is multidimensional in that for example gravity does not have a force there so there is an apparent freedom of movement.
As to spiritual consciousness and variation or intensity of dreams, that would be a question for someone who is rapidly changing consciousness and able to more readily... objectivly... observe relative to previous dream sequences.
On way to remember your dreams is to put a pad of paper and a pen by your bed at night and underline tommorow's date on a blank sheet and write down three pages of thoughts first thing in the morning when you first awaken, this is very interesting and revealing.
Telephone dreams are about communication, death or dying is usually about an idea or intellectual thought that you have grown out of and is dead.
Another thing that is interesting is that we can remember or perceive time so that we awaken minutes before we are set to awaken, this happens in other time zones as well, and appears to be "experiantial" because we are not awake and cannot see a clock. It may have been a more spiritual perception...
To hone your symbolic skills means to practice repeatedly with them, keep a notebook of your symbols in order to deduce messages from your subconscious. Whether this is from the spirtual mind or intellectual mind... is up to you to decide.
There are a few on Earth at this time... who have access to the Akashic record or library of Alexandria, for that matter... athough time is irrelevent... right?
Tschüs...
rarena ô¿ô
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona.
Peace be on Earth, and among all beings.
By paying attention to your dreams you are venturing out of the room of ordinary daily awareness...
We live in a house of a thousand rooms... and if you stay with me I will show you how to get out of the house of ordinary daily awareness alltogether... |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 127
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 12:47 pm: |
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hey rarena
dont take this in a negative way, because it's neither negative or positive,...
but in relation to your post,
i too have had lucid dreams, sometimes whatever i wanted to see or meet, i would walk a block or around a corner in my dream and i would find what im looking for.
i also noticed that i had to maintain a certain concentration, as in... if i would worry about waking up, then i would suddenly start slipping out of the dream and wake up.
one lucid dream i had, i was standing infront of a tv, watching it, then i began to get pulled away from it slowly and things started to blur, and i thought "wow, i'm leaving the dreamstate".
it sems like my sub concious puts me through all kinds of variations of themes, events, puzzles.
" It is interesting to note that in our dreams, buildings or houses are you. The attic is more spiritual, the basement more sensual. If it is cluttered, so is your mind. "
well, i can't agree with you there, because i have no way of knowing that that is true, but it is certainly possible... propably true. but once again i cant be sure.
i think for each person it may be different, or depending on how those peope percieve the things around them in waking life.
"Anyway, lucid dreaming is multidimensional in that for example gravity does not have a force there so there is an apparent freedom of movement."
i dont know about you, but i feel physical pressure, an alternation of pressure and sensations (or feelings, not sure which) in dreams. especially in dreams where i am practicing levitation of my body.
when i do this in the dreams, it feels like something starts from my head, and spreads around my body (like a sphere of energy) and then i feel no weight, but i do feel force when i get hit or swerve around while flying.
i think perhaps that the force or pressure that i notice is do to what you experience in waking life, also, i think since dreams are more tied to the psyche than the spirit (although of course the spirit is the main nerve, i would think).
but so if the psyche is half material half fine material? (not sure) then i would think the has to be some sort of physical component to dreams, as in perhaps it's a higher frequency of material living?
"On way to remember your dreams is to put a pad of paper and a pen by your bed at night "
yes, i have been doing this for about 2-2 and a half years now.
i also recorded dreams that occured before i started a dream journal, just because of the continuity or "mysteriousness" of them all.
when i had recorded some dreams, immedietly a "second life" started to appear.
people knew me, but i dont know them, never met them in this life. but they look familiar.
as a child i always felt that pastlives were real, no question about it. dont know why, but that was the case with me.
the first person was a girl who sparsely appearred in my dreams as i was a teen, but then when i hit 21, i seen her in dreams more and more.
then i started dreaming about women in white gowns, much like what the ancient romans wore, and similair to the women in delvaux's paintings.
and liek the other girl, these women were also strangers, but somehow familiar.
many times i would wake up and an image of one of them would appear, either smiling or just starring.
when i see ufo's, i often get these images/visions of them (all in all about 15 different people, 3 or 4 that regularily have appeared in dreams and visions)
so, dont worry friend, im well into my own headspace 
also at times (perhaps you've experienced this?)... when i lay in my bed, i will repeat a phrase, like a name or s sentance in another language of which i dont know how to speak.
one night i got an image of a dark haired woman dressed in like early 1900's late 1800's style clothing that was popular in britain or
the united states. then after i seen the image, i said "arun de je ne".
i looked it up and found the translation...
but that's about as far as i got with that.
"Another thing that is interesting is that we can remember or perceive time so that we awaken minutes before we are set to awaken, this happens in other time zones as well, and appears to be "experiantial" because we are not awake and cannot see a clock. It may have been a more spiritual perception... "
yes, i've noticed this.
do you ever wake up and later in the day you get a memory of something that happened in an alternate dimension?
it's like instant knowledge that you know this is a memory, seeping over to waking reality.
i think the time thing is pretty simple... your subconcious is always active...
inution is a result of the sub-concious, am i correct?
it's like when i got out of my house one day and i knew something negative was going to happen, half an hour later something did.
inuition and sensing things is fun once you are able to tell a thought apart from an impulse, a feeling from a sensation etc.
speaking of symbols, i often see symbols, not like metaphorical ones but also writing, hyroglyphs i have never seen, and letters i have never seen, but also some i have. it's pretty cool.
one time i seen a pattern of colour, like circles in circles, all different colours, seeping outward. i always was of the opinion that this was some kind of coded message, rather than letters, colours, because everyone can understand colour the same way, or something like that.
anyways, sorry for the long post, but i think it is interesting |
Rarena
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Post Number: 50
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 12:50 pm: |
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Hi Peter,
Dreams, the language of dreams... symbols, the house is usually you. Everyone is different and keeping a symbol journal for the symbols that come into your mind and more importantly what they mean is helpful.
A good book is Man and His Symbols by Jung. In this book, he says we have four archtypes: The athelete, the warrior, the statesman and the spirtualist. This is true for the material mind as well as, the spiritual mind.
Your question: intuition is a result of the subconsious?... don't know. It is sort of like listening for what you want to hear. Whereas prayer is asking for it.
What you give to The Creation you get back. "Gimme, gimme, gimme" and the Universe says "gimme, gimme, gimme". Ask, how may I serve you and the Universe says: How may I serve you...
Your intention, or focus on a subject... makes it occur. Thoughts are things. What you focus on grows, and if you focus on "something negative" then, guess what... something negative happens. Even if what you focus on is what you don't want to occur.
You can use this in a good way by: "Contemplating yourself as already surround ed by the conditions you intend to create."
Works with the kids too... if you want to get them to be "good" kids, stop focusing on what they do "wrong" and focus on what they do right. Pretty soon you start noticeing all the things they do right and they tend to do them more...
Randy ô¿ô
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona.
Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 132
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 06:30 pm: |
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hey, that's a great reply, i wont go into details but thanks for that reply.
also, i dont know how you come to your conclusion and are so sure that a house is you, but if it works for you than cool.
the question about intuition and subconcious was not really a question, just kind of like... i cant remember so i left a question mark. not intending to get any answer.
i'm not sure i would trust jung and his writings.
people tell me to read this book or that book, but in the end it's only that persons interpritations, not mine. and considering that person does'nt know how i view the world around me, i dont see how he can define the world inside me.
anyhow, thanks for the advice. |
Cpl
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Post Number: 153
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 09:03 pm: |
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Hi Peter,
Hey, don't trust Jung -- or anyone -- just read him (and them). Jung said pretty much what you say here, that the best interpreter for ones dreams is oneself, because there is always personal imagery and meaning (a difference of opinion he had with Freud). However there are also universals, and there is no clear dividing line between the two. Jung is nowhere near as dogmatic (?) as Freud in his assertions. You'd probably enjoy reading him if you'd like to know more about your dreams. "The house" being oneself is again only general. There are, of course, many exceptions.
IMO rather than being the result of the subconscious, intuition works through and with it, as do dreams. It is often said that it is people who are afraid of their subsconscious who do not recall their dreams, because the subconscious must be traversed to reach the dream. It is also said such people often do not relate to women well -- or the woman or women in their life. Dreamers tend to befriend the subconscious before sleeping at night.
Dream on,
cpl |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 134
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 11:10 am: |
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hey cpl,
thanks for the tip. i may read jung for the heck of it just becaause two of you recomended it.
i'll see what happens.
well, i would say intuition is indeed working through and with the subconcious... thanks that's what i was lloking to say.
it makes sense because from my understanding, the sub-c never sleeps, like we do in our concious waking reality.
interesting point about relating to women. yeah, i often tell myself what agreat relationship i have with my sub concious, most people think thats strange, oh well. |
Rarena
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Post Number: 52
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 12:42 pm: |
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Hi Peter & Cpl,
My reference to Jung was just a reference, there have probably been tremedous strides in dream research, one that comes to mind is by Gary Schwartz: The Afterlife Experiments... was hard to get through though.
Betty Bethards a person who wrote a book about dreams, called something like the Dream Book of Symbols not sure of the title here is her web site: http://dreamemporium.com was helpful to me when observing dreams. Betty had her first out of body experience after an allergic reaction to penicillin and realizing she was dying.
Dreams are an interesting way of seeing beyond ordinary daily awareness. Don't know if it is in line with Billy Meier, does anyone have a comment about that?
Randy ô¿ô
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona.
Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 137
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 07:28 pm: |
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hello rarena and cpl
well i gave jung a read over, and i quickly had to pull out of that world.
his way of talking about dreams and such seemed needlessly complicated. once again i find that my own intuition into the matter seems to work best.
i agree, dreams bring you the things that your eyes and ears miss on a daily basis.
i dont know what billy says about dreams, but your statement seems more than reasonable, nothing far out or whatever.
can we all agree that dreams are multiple in their tasks and purposes?
what about dreams of ancient times, like egypt and pharaos, rome and men with olive crowns on thrones and soldiers standing atop pyramid like structures.
does jung or schwartz talk about dreaming of past times. what do they say about it if anything? |
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