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    Cpl Member Post Number: 171 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Simon, You might gain some insight by reading some of Joseph Campbell's books, which cover most thoroughly diverse world myths and their respective meanings. The Dreaming myth is a massive subject. On one level of duality, our existence while in physical incarnation is real and the other higher levels the dream; but from the higher level we can be referred to as the dream, and It as the Reality. From this perspective you might consider the Dreamtime the time when Creation "dreamed" all in the physical universe into existence. There are many possible levels to this; our spirit "dreaming" our bodies into existence, while we "dream" of other things, Creation and more mundane dreams of the psyche which again often, but not always, symbolize other things in our life. The above is on a philosophical and mythic level. If you would like a definitive answer from Billy, do ask him. If you really want to know what the Aborigines think you should ask them -- until you can do that perhaps this post might offer a pointer to food for thought. Campbell is probably the easiest-to-read expert on comparative mythology. It was his life's work, and his seminal work The Hero With a Thousand Faces which greatly influenced Lucas and the making of Star Wars, has a little on the Dreamtime. His masterwork, the four-volume, The Masks of God, cover the Primitive, the Occidental, the Oriental, and Creative mythology. His books are cheaply available used at amazon.com. Vol. 1 Primitive Mythologies might be the one to look into for more on Aboriginal Dreamtime, though I do not seem to have it (thought I did) so cannot confirm that. Best, cpl | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hello Norm, You have mentioned about Crystal Skulls. I read about them also in your questions to Billy which were not answered, this Crystal Skulls stuff also intrigued me so I checked it out. There is an interesting site with information on many matters. A short page of information about the crystal skulls can be found on this exact site: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_skull The purpose of the skulls I guess was for some kind of rituals to 'gods'. The skulls were carved from dimond stones and are actually made of Quartz, all this information is given in the site. Below the page are also some external links, that I hope you will find helpful. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 977 Registered: 02-2000 |
This is all I have saved. "In the reader's questions section there is discussion about the "crystal skulls" of South America being made in Germany during the 1800s for a wealthy man who then placed them at sites in South America to be "discovered"...the skulls have nothing to do with extraterrestrials." My Website | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 853 Registered: 12-1999 |
Spaceman, Here is an unofficial translation concerning the crystal skulls: Ptaah: Officially we have never talked about it but several times only in a private manner. Therefore, I would like to will give an answer, which should be in a official form, with which however, I want to restrict myself to the essential,: The crystal skulls named by you, that were found in South America and is connected to the Mayas and supposedly should have originated from extraterrestrials, as you just said, were fabricated in Germany in the 19th Century, in fact in the gem and Diamond-polishing cities of those places, that were unified in 1933 in the city of Idar-Oberstein. The client was a prosperous man by the name of Florian Rosenfelder, from Germany, that operated privately and was hobbyist archaeologist and who brought the crystal heads also to the Maya region, then to “discover” it in order to cause a sensation. Although he was able only to place the crystal heads at different places where he thought it would be “discovered” before witnesses however, he did not succeeded with that because he died of a poisoning, that he suffered through the natives, that then robbed him. Scott | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 857 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, Perhaps many of you have heard of this person. His name is Criss Angel. For awhile I didn't really pay much attention to him, but he claims to be a magician. After seeing a recent video I have come to realize there may be something else operating here. There is a video of him levitating off the top of one building in broad daylight, floating over a parking lot and landing onto the roof of another building...You be the judge... Scott   | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 357 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Scott ; You know , If one more magician tells me that they can't divulge their secrets , I'm just going to ... finish this post . Either he uses some type of experimental suit like the ones Billy spoke of , or he knows how to levitate using the .......... oh , I almost gave away the magicians secret , sorry . There's not alot one can do with that but be entertained . What I like about the Billy /Plejaren material is that we get to learn things that were unheard of before, but we get answers.It's not smoke and mirrors and mystery . So the magic kind of loses my natural sense of interest for that reason . Salome , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 259 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Scott can you see any fine wire supporting angel as he moves from one area to another? Any accomplices from the studio? I wonder what type of Crane is holding him up there or is this the conventional skeptic response we are all trained to be. If it is true, telekenetic powers or spiritual powers have been bestowed upon this individual, but according to Billy somewhere, I've heard no person alive now has these powers which then begs the question, is the source of this feat coming from somewhere else? I wonder then, why on earth would someone who has these gifts not go public in a much more official and serious setting instead of using this easing method of revelation so as not to be too shocking, but then again I am sure many people nowadays a much more opened minded about these things to be shocked anyway. There has got to be some other plausible explanation to this other than the conventional way we view something like this, of course anything is possible. Nonetheless, its amazing. Cheers scott. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey forum, levitation and the arts displayed by Chris Angel are possible, however, I don't know if Chris knows the arts or if he is creating illusions before people (which itself is an art!). OK NOW TO MY QUESTION: Scott, After reading the legend of Atlantis and Mu, I am a bit confused, I would like you to clarify my doubt, I got all information regarding the Plejaren account of Atlantis and Mu from www.semjase.net: I thought the kingdom of Lemuria (a.k.a Mu) existed below South India and not in the Gobi desert as mentioned in the site. The island Madagascar itself means "the end of Earth". It gets its name from the Malay language and there is a belief that a kingdom did exist there connected to Malaysia, Madagascar and Tamil Nadu (a state in South India), the term Lemuria was used when a 19th century geologist Philip Sclater saw same types of animals i.e Lemurs - a type of ape in Madagascar and South India, but none in Africa which is much closer, hence he called a land that must have existed there (in the Indian ocean) as Lemuria. How did this land, go to the Gobi desert??? The word itself comes from Mr. Sclater's observation? Hence, I would only be led to conclude that the land existed and sank and is NOT Mu, but another totally different civilization explain. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 642 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott.. Interesting..... David Copperfield did all sorts of Levitating acts, as being a very good Illusionist. He levitated Inside buildings as well as Out-side. Even through the Grand Canyon, in Mid-Flyt, which was all recorded on Live television; but than in a Lotus meditation position. And a mass of crowd were there to see him do it. So, there is nothing Extraterrestrial, or what ever about his acts; as he says: he is just a good Illusionist that can Fool the people/mass very well with his Illusions. Thus, it could be that Criss Angel is just a very good Illusionist, just as David Copperfield, and others like them...whom have levitated in mid-air, to some hight. Edward. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 980 Registered: 02-2000 |
Scott, I don't know how he did that one, but I figured out his trick when he climbs out of a street manhole that isn't there. What he does is he climbs out of the a real street manhole then walks back & the camera follows him then he bends down & rolls up the manhole lid as if he came out of a paper manhole lid. All the crew did was move the fake manhole lid behind the real manhole when the camera stayed on him. If you look closely you can see the scrape marks on the street caused by the real manhole lid that he moved when he climbed out of it, the scrapes stay in place while the fake paper manhole cover clearly is in a different place. Because he didn't realize the real manhole lid scraped the ground marking where the original spot was. If the crew had placed the fake manhole lid a little further away I would have not seen the scrapes that marked near the original drain spot. My Website | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 12-2005 |
hxxp://www.metacafe.com/watch/151236/criss_angel_walks_on_water/ Woot! This brings back memories of "Monkey Magic"  Cheers, Kiril | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 158 Registered: 03-2003 |
I wonder if Cris Angel can... -Heal Norm. -Duplicate the Meier photos and contacts. -Materialize a full size castle of Gold or diamond in a park. -Have a beam-ship land in a park and take people up for rides to mars and back. -Turn himself into a 24 foot dragon and barbecue some hot dogs. -Open up a portal into another dimension only to have hundreds of pixies and unicorns fly through to tickle his audience. -manifest hundreds of gold bars out of nothing and pass these out for free. -shape shift into a bird and back. -reverse a persons age. -space time travel with his audience and camera crew. -Prevent world war 3. -Fly a bus or car like a plane. -Bring skeletons to life. -Create grey android aliens running in a park. -manifest a giant spider in the white-house. Speaking of which, I actually got to know a certain person who presently lives in isolation way out in the desert in New Mexico who can actually do some amazing things such as reverse peoples age, make people taller or shorter, take people into portals, call down UFOs, heal, etc, etc. Last year, he even gave me a little something special and refers to me as the Peaceful Pilgrim. He's even said that he's lived for thousands of years and has shared with me some of his ancient adventures over the the eons while using different identities in many lands. Kind of like in that show, Highlander. Let's see, I think his real name was something like... Gilli, or similar, etc, but don't quote me on that, because I've yet to ask him about it. But I'm sure this guy can pass up much the same things as Cris Angel can quite easy with his wisdom. Cool guy really. Peace in being, James Truthseeker | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 06-2006 |
James Truthseeker - "Speaking of which, I actually got to know a certain person who presently lives in isolation way out in the desert in New Mexico who can actually do some amazing things such as reverse peoples age, make people taller or shorter, take people into portals, call down UFOs, heal, etc, etc. Last year, he even gave me a little something special and refers to me as the Peaceful Pilgrim. He's even said that he's lived for thousands of years and has shared with me some of his ancient adventures over the the eons while using different identities in many lands." Golly!! This man must be greater then Billy if he can do all that! How can he call down UFO's if no other person in the world is in contact with UFO's or can get in contact with UFO's, other then Billy? I'm sorry but I don't buy any of that, and believe that this guy you speak of cannot be anything but a charlatan. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 06-2006 |
He cannot be a ET person, because if he was, then that would mean that every terrestial person that he has been in contact with or met or associated with, would all be ET contact persons? | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 01-2004 |
by the way kiril, that video on metcafe does'nt show how he floats from ground to roof top, or walks down a bulding wall. all that does is explain how he levitates from the ground onto a short ledge. can you tell me how he takes a coin by cutting it out of his arm? or how he puts a womans ring into an ice cube? i've watched criss angel a couple of times and looking at it from an open mind, i see nothing but illusions, but also powers like mind reading, suggestion, etc. i thought that he can also materialze and de-materialze things (like when he went under a garbage can and appeared on the 1st floor balcony nearby. also, billy said nobody on earth can bend spoons and things like that with their mind, but what if 5 or 6 people focussed on the same task? hey tuth seeker, so what's this special thing he gave you? if your going to tease us oyu might aswell tell us. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 159 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hey hey hey Alan! Just because they are UFOs and he's calling them down, doesn't necessarily mean they are piloted by ETs from deep in outer space! And in some cases even from the USA's Area 51. In fact let's see if someone here can figure it out. I'm not ready to give that one away just yet, so I'll let you think about it for awhile. Anyway the guy I'm referring to is presently a Navajo like Shaman who lives in isolation in New Mexico, who was introduced to me by an Independent film TV producer from L.A. As for the TV producer, he asks that I not mention his name if I talk about him. The Shaman, we refer to him as the wizard, because he works with a lot of interesting little things. But when this guy from L.A. went to go see him and all to film and see for himself a number of these claimed things, he wasn't prepared for the reality of what he eventually saw. When the wizard actually called down a UFO which landed on the side of the desert road, my TV producer friend high tailed it out of there as fast as he could without even thinking about pulling out his video cam. I was to go back with him to see the wizard and the wizard was going to call down a UFO so that I could meet with the occupants and so that he could film it all, but in the end my TV producer friend chickened out on me and also to the wizards disappointment. So the wizard gave me a piece of crash debris from a crashed celestial object, which was from around 1947-1948, not far from New Mexico. BTW- there are other means of using psychic force methods which don't require a single person's use of mind. I find that in the case of Cris angel, he does use illusion that shall I say, mesmerizes his audiences pretty good. Peace in being, James Truthseeker | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 12-2005 |
Peter_brodowski: I don't know and I don't care to speculate how - like my beloved "Monkey Magic" I find Chris Angel very entertaining, thats all - I would love to put the guy in controlled laboratory conditions for one week and really test his abilities. This desire betrays the fact that I don't think there is enough evidence to decide if (ALL) his abilities are a matter of trickery/illusion. There is the case of D.D.Home(hxxp://www.prairieghosts.com/ddhome.html), in the 19th century, which tells of abilities and circumstances similar to that of Chris Angel. A prominent scientist(William Crookes) of the time conducted just such an examination, as I'm proposing, of Home - you may read his report of the occasion here: hxxp://www.survivalafterdeath.org/books/crookes/researches/contents.htm As a final note - I wonder why Chris Angel hasn't put himself forward as a candidate for James Randy's million dollar challenge - I cherish the day when Randy is put in his place Cheers, Kiril | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 06-2006 |
James, I won't believe that this Shaman is supernatural and can do all of those other amazing things there that you say he can do too, unless Billy says its true. Get Billy to confirm him and I'll believe it, if not, I never will. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 155 Registered: 01-2004 |
james, if you know who is the ones flying that ufo then why would you keep it to yourself? well let's go down the list... there are the blue people from underground, the people of mt.shasta, there is a number of armies from various countries who could also be candidates. the only thing that i know for sure is that a lot of people are getting sightings of ufo's etc. billy (if i remember correctly) did state that there might at some point be a faked e.t. landing... and there was a prophecy if i remember correctly that some e.t's races in egg shaped ufos may show themselves publicly. james, didnt you already say something like this once before, about some guy named izrak or something like that, who could call down ufo's, so what happend to him? that debri could have come from anywhere as far as we know or can assume, and if anybody would have access to that material, it would definetly be the army. i'm not saying nobody else would have any debris, but the army surely would. james seems to be the one with the answers, why not share? it would be sad to find out that you (james) are on some short leash being led around for whatever reason. if a ufo is willing to land, why stop there? could this simply be just a diversion to take our focus away from a real full fledged contact like the one called billy meier? | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 12-2005 |
Alan there is no such thing as "supernatural"!! - if you wish to rebut I suggest you consider what object, property or event your referring to when you use that word - you might aswell have used " ddljifjd" or "djfdddddd" - in either of the three cases your referring to thesame thing(rather, no-thing). Alan what if BEAM told you that the sun was pink and purple with rosey red polka-dots but we don't see it that way because while the light traveles(sic) to your eyes the colors were lost? - would you "believe" him? Just some considerations from a man concerned - I don't mean you any offence, nor is it my intention to argue these points. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 160 Registered: 03-2003 |
Alan, You need not believe me if you choose not to. After all the wizard did say to me once that even if he were to actually call down a UFO which lands from which occupants actually come out of the craft to meet up with me which then is all caught on video, then not even the most exclusive footage could ever prove that it actually happened. I will eventually ask Billy Meier about him, but not until I actually get a chance to meet up with the wizard himself personally and witness for myself what this guy can actually do. I also know of other people who have seen what the wizard can do, whom I've yet also to meet. Besides, I seem to recall Billy Meier already did mention such a person who already does in fact live in isolation somewhere around the American South near a nuclear reactor, who is in fact of an immortal nature. Kind of fits the description of my friend the wizard, so I'm not quite ready to push the issue as of yet. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 161 Registered: 03-2003 |
Well Peter you're getting close, but it's still none of the above. Hint, you also forgot to mention the more unidentified UFOs sighted over Mexico, but for me, I can't seem to determine what these are since it feels like these objects are somehow not even there. For the time being, I've decided to keep certain things personal until I'm able to really confirm for myself certain claims and certain phenomenon. As for Ytzrak, I never pursued that story any further since I heard about it over 10 years ago, but his involvement with UFOs was not a good one and likely involved US intelligences. As for the Object that was given to me, it's entirely possible that it originated from a large crashed meteorite from ages ago rather then from an actual crashed disk, etc, but I heard a number of different things about it so it could be a number of different things. | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 02-2006 |
James, if I understand well, your public statement (regarding possesion of "celestial object" debris), means that you have the way to prove it (like Billy's material samples proven by Marcel Vogel), otherwise... I wish you to have more luck than Major Jesse Marcel had long ago. Salome, Dejan |
