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Tjames
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Post Number: 214
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 11:14 pm: | 
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As the Meier and the Plejarens plans have started to prove.. if you look down the pike especially at the angle of what specifics are in the Meier material one can with a healthy level of thinking on the matter figure out "how" and "why" the specific topics put out in the books are the way they are which will reflect what should be focused on now and in coming times in order to reverse some of these atrocities done to our humanity eons ago.
What this means is that we have to start naturally at the base of this issue by following creations laws peacefully dissarming religion at its roots and let it crumble like an archaic building. If you study the Meier contacts at any serious level you should find a connection to the attrocities facing man now and in the past with her links to aggression, and especially racial issues that are now becomming more apparent. (perhaps we are simply evolving to recognize that we have these problems?)
Because, afterall it is religion that is keeping us at our throats. Yes Sonik some people are born in a pleasant enviornment which would aid them in being much more peaceful, but I can count these places on my left hand. The vast majority of people on this planet are not only growing but increasing in religious passion and fervor.
It is religious beliefs that sever any sane persons connection with reason and logic, it is this toxicity that serves as an incredible barrier between what is truth and what is farse, what is universal and what is inanimate (or so useless it might as well be). Yes, religion can unite many races but in the end it's what keeps the whole world at an aggressive and constant state of instability. Billy Meier spends an impressive amount of time discussing the toxicity of religion and how they can make ones spiritual path frail if not broken. It is here that we should begin fighting (figuratively) like "the silent revolution of truth" which will seep its way to everyones life in proper time.
I recognize the reasons why Billy chose the topics he did as well as the depth in which he focuses appears correct for not only our times but enough to grow on etc. This is how we will combat racial hate so to one day understand our true differences which will be found as we forge to unlock the secrets of our similarities.
Peace,
Tim
Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona!
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Torrent
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 12:43 am: |
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Michael, thank you for pointing out that Chinese and Japanese are not more peaceful than other races. Especially, Japanese people have shown the most horrible acts against humanity such as unit 731 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731) where they did medical experiments on living people and killed them brutally, Nanking massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_massacre) and military sexual slavery system during the World War II. What most Westerners still don’t know is Japanese government is still denying those atrocities and doesn’t try to educate the young generation about them.
The other thing I also would like to correct is the way people here refer to northern Asians simply as Chinese and Japanese. Why omit Koreans or Mongolians? It is a common sense that Mongolians (apart from Chinese. Chinese has very little common either with Mongolians and Koreans) moved down to today’s Korea, then lots of Koreans moved to Japan in ancient times. I would like to suggest that we should use the term, Northern Asians, rather than yellow race or just Chinese and Japanese. |
Edward
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Post Number: 658
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 01:28 am: |
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Hi Eric...
I see your point, as well as that of Michael's.
As Billy did mention: that we have a/the Aggression Gene as a Standard
Component within our building blocks composed within our human body:
Thus, A DEFENSE MECHANISM!!!
Thus, one Race sort, may not even have been Genetically Manipulated,
but may still commit unhuman destructive acts.
So the case would be: if their acts...were NATURAL...or by means of the
Manipulated Aggressor Gene. And I do say that we must make a Distinction
between the two. So, the Mass Killings done by any Race of people would
depend on: either it be executed by the Manipulated Aggressor Gene, within,
or by means of Individual Self-Determinating Choice/Factor...of action(s).
Example:
One can fight out of 'Defense', thus, out of 'NATURAL Passive' actions, with
utilization of the NATURAL Aggressor Gene manifestation, OR...in the
'Offence Mode'...which would be generated by the 'Manipulation of the
Aggressor Gene'; which would have a much more destructive out-put than the
previous mentioned.
Thus, the above...is something to keep in mind, not?
But of course, ALL Races..."Have Skeletons In The Closet!"
Edward |
Celestialbrother
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Post Number: 28
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 05:30 am: |
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Ok, guys what in your opinion is the least agressive and most agressive race(s) of the world? |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 187
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 10:03 am: |
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i'm not saying the japanese and chinese are'nt without there problems, nobodies perfect, so let's look at it in a reasonable way.
look at a rock concert in america, and then look at one in japan. maybe it's not like it was in the 90's in japan, and now the youth are more aggressive,but while americans smash each other in the face in mosh pitts, the japanese raise there hands in the air.
but i've hung around with many many asian people, i have been emersed in asian culture my whole life, and same with caucasian and so i say with experience, that generally your average asian citizen is less eager to swing a fist, then a caucasian. you can argue against that, but i've lived it.
ofcourse every society has their own unique problems and their various degrees. |
Truthseeker
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Post Number: 175
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 10:33 am: |
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You got to remember that all races on this planet will have it's pros and cons, but hey as long as a person is a good person then that is what matters. Now as far as what my favourite race of people are, my favourite race would be one that unfortunately does not exist, but I sure wish it did, and that would be of Elves.
Peace in being,
James Truthseeker |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 188
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 01:09 pm: |
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to quote torrents post...
"Michael, thank you for pointing out that Chinese and Japanese are not more peaceful than other races. Especially, Japanese people have shown the most horrible acts against humanity such as unit 731 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731) where they did medical experiments on living people and killed them brutally, Nanking massacre "(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_massacre) and military sexual slavery system during the World War II. What most Westerners still don’t know is Japanese government is still denying those atrocities and doesn’t try to educate the young generation about them. "
and if we're talking about japanese as a people, how can you blame the enitire nation for what the ARMY has done? |
Tjames
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Post Number: 215
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 10:50 pm: |
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Hello friends given the current situation around the world as of 1:40 am on the 21st of September The oil prices have shot way down... Strategically President Bush is coming to my City Columbus OH, and he plans to invade Pakistan if you haven't heard to find Osamah bin Laden, right when strategic peoples from the most diverse ethnicities and cultures are saying "He is the devil" like Hugo Chavez but, this does not stop at open public "fierce namecalling" that i'v never heard before the president of Iran is saying they will destroy America if we do not change our course of initiating an assault on Iran and change Iraq. Guys a third world war appears to be coming and it's up to us to stop it... Now is the time for change, now is the time to do the Peace Meditation... It's what we've got in our arsenal.
Speaking of Salome Meditation and the topic of race. Check this out friends:
Selam, the three-year-old from 3.3m years ago
Excitement over skeleton with human lower body but ape-like upper body
Ian Sample, science correspondent
Thursday September 21, 2006
The Guardian
Fossil hunters working in Ethiopia have unearthed the fragile bones of a baby ape-girl who lived 3.3m years ago, the earliest child ancestor discovered so far.
Named Selam, meaning "peace" in the country's languages, the creature belongs to a species called Australopithecus afarensis, the same as Lucy, the famous adult female discovered in 1974 and believed to be a forebear of the human genus, Homo.
The fossilised remains reveal a critical moment in human evolution that saw our earliest relatives shaking off the legacy of ape ancestors to take their first tentative steps along a path that ultimately led to modern humans.
Article continues
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1877214,00.html
salome
Tim
Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona!
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Tjames
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Post Number: 216
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 11:10 pm: |
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Peter,
You'll also notice that the Asians tend to have healthier features longer than the average caucasian. I say this because I've seen it. I worked with fellow from Hong Kong and his appearance was that of a 35 year old but yet he's 55. We exchanged ideas about chi-gong health longevity and the Asians are immersed with "healthier activities" at-least the ancient civilizations were and the old people still share it to younger generations. I agree with you Peter. My friends father is around 75-80 and he tells me he still has a full thick head of hair. I don't know about your genetics but I'm 23 and my hairline has started receding since I was 20. My Dad's was gone by the time he was 38. Some may have the aggression gene and aging genes stronger than others but everyone has them.
I think everyone is too aggressive and the more religious the culture the more prone to kill in the name of some deity.
Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona!
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Torrent
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Post Number: 33
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 12:18 am: |
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Hi, Peter.
Even though Japanese people were their own victims during the war, they can’t evade the blame because most of them supported their government and did nothing to stop their army from massacring other people.
Second, Japanese people today don’t want to look back on all the atrocities they did and continue to ignore or even falsify the historical facts.
For example, the Japanese government or famous politicians claim that the number of people killed in Nanking massacre was too exaggerated or the event itself didn’t even happen. The government is officially denying the existence of Unit 731 or it did any medical experiments on the living people. They even don’t hesitate to lie that those women who were forced to serve their bodies for the sexually hungry Japanese soldiers actually did it for money or even enjoyed it.
Young Japanese people know almost nothing about those facts because they haven’t been taught. Whose fault? Older generation, the government or the whole country because Japanese have never repented their wrongdoings. The proof? The prime minister along with other high government officials still attend the Yasukuni shrine often where they serve the first-rate war criminals who put millions of lives in death and misery. Can you imagine German Chancellor attending a church where Hitler is still worshiped and served? That is what is happening in Japan today and why other Asian countries are still upset and even frustrated with this no
And I don’t agree to the idea that just because Asians don’t whirl the fists or are not physically active makes them (including me) more peaceful than other races.
It is just a combination of social norms and manners. Japanese people don’t look excited in the concert because they are taught not to show their emotions. But remember all the horrible things that Japanese have done to other countries, Chinese and Cambodia to their own people. Utter massacres.
Regards. |
Spaceman
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Post Number: 79
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 05:41 am: |
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I think that agressiveness diminishes in the light of spirituality. So I guess, the eastern world (as far as I know India where I stay currently) is most spiritual, than us in may ways. In history has this country ever waged a war? |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 189
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 11:03 am: |
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hey tjames yes i've noticed the age-appearence thing that you mention...
a lot of them have a nice smooth skin and silky hair.
i mylsef have always had a receding hairline somewhat, since i was born, it just grew that way. never lost any hair but just always had that certain hairline.
hey torrent,
well i have to disagree with your last couple of statements about the japanese.
i personally cannot say the entire japanese people supported the war because i have not personally spoken to each one of them,
i guess by your logic, all americans are responsible for the iraqi war?
and japanese are'nt taught to not show their emotions. in every movie, videogame and cartoon there is an over abondance of drama from crying to screaming in exitement etc etc.
i think you may be thinking about the world war 2 era (ex soldiers etc.) that ofcourse had much to do with their so called honour and could easily be confused with "lack of emotion" or whatever.
repent wrong doings? what is this a church?
i would like to know what country you are from, so that we can anylize you in the same manner to which you have done to the japanese, and then we'll see if you still agree with your statement about the japanese people being responsible.
by the way, there is a thing called fear, mix that in with brain washing from a young age and you 've got yourself a hell of a lot of slaves.
so some group of humans could'nt find the right reasoning to go out and protest against some figure head or group they look up to with great honour and pride, and you think they should be held accountable? as if it's a crime to fail?
punish the rapists, the ones who organized and maintained the prostitution rings etc.
imagine getting punished everytime you fail at something.
in anycase, you made your point i mine. |
Celestialbrother
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 11:02 pm: |
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Hey dudes, Check your history books how many times have we tried to rule the Earth? Surely, there is something 'tampered' in our genes (that is more than others). Why are we talking about japanese in WW2? |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 190
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 10:07 am: |
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world war 2 had an enormous amount of racism tied into it. is that a reasonable enough answer? |
Kiril
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Post Number: 109
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 09:25 pm: |
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Hello spaceman,
you say:
"I think that agressiveness diminishes in the light of spirituality"
I'm interested to find what you mean by the term 'spiritual',in the context you have applied it - if you don't mind me asking?
I'm asking for a number of different reasons - 1 amongst them is that in my younger years I was an aggressive individual. I have managed to overcome this behaviour by the application of reason to the processes of introspection and extrospection and hence the formation of an alternate and explicit philosophy.
Is this what you mean?
Btw: India has been in conflict with Pakistan for about 5 decades now, mainly over the region of Kashmir. If I remember correctly there have been 3 wars between the two nations in this period.
Cheers,
Kiril |
Spaceman
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Post Number: 81
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, September 24, 2006 - 07:41 am: |
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Yes, Kiril what you say is right, India has been in war against Pakistan. But, remember USA when so far away can get affected by terrorists in the area and India has too, more than US. It is clear that Osama was hiding in Pakistan, they have terrorist schools there, If America was beside Pakistan WW5 would most probably going on now! All the WARS OVER KASHMIR WERE WAGED BY PAKISTAN. And giving up Kashmir is no easy decision, it is an elevated area. Its is defenitely true that Indians are more compassionate than others, how many Indians do you know?, I have been living here for 6 years.
Mark. |
Sonik_01
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Post Number: 89
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 06:55 am: |
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Hi Spaceman,
Sorry but if Indians are more compassionate than the rest of the world, why aren't they compassionate enough to abolish the caste system canturies ago? People born into this world who are deemed "Untouchables" live in complete squalor and total misery for the entirety of their lives? Religions have their firm grip in India as well.
On top of that, India has a lot of corruption, possibly due to heavy religious indoctrination by the officials, which leads to crime and poverty among the people. This corruption in government also leads to wars.
No human is above another, and every country has it's respective problems, but it serves no purpose to turn a blind eye to them. Just like Latin America, Africa, Southern and Eastern Asian countries, India has it's problems too. |
Alan
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Post Number: 59
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 08:12 am: |
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The nicest and most compassionate people that I know are New Zealand Mauri people. |
Spaceman
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Post Number: 83
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 02:56 am: |
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Hi Sonik, I am not saying India has no problems, in fact it has many problems. We were speaking about the 'aggressivness' in people, were did untouchablility come from? Considering what you said about untouchables, it was an practice in ancient times that a shudra (low caste) should not be touched or touch a high caste as a kshatriya (warrior), brahmana (priest) or vaishya (traders), it is now completely abolished in areas known to me, however is practiced in remote areas, illegally. The practice was not to insult the low castes but was in practice because the shudras who do jobs as picking cowdung for manure or garbage lifters were living their own lifestyles and rarely took bath, which were far different from Brahmanas or Brahmins, the brahmins were not so immune to the water or food of these people, so this caused a drift between the communities, however no reason gives one to discriminate, as put by Yudhistira 'a brahmana is one of good conduct, be he born of any family'. A job of a shudra is also considered important. The practice is always condemed at even in scriptures one such is the story of the priest Uttanga, that I type in brief: Krishna, considered by many Hindus to be God, wished to pronounce a boon on Uttanga his priest friend, but he said he was content with all he had and after much asking of Krishna He took a boon that 'He should have ample water wherever he is thirsty'. Krishna gave it and disappeared. One day Uttanga also a wandered, was passing though a desert, it was now that he thought that Krishna's boon was but words, but it wasn't. He saw far away a shudra, with 500 leashed, wild dogs, with drooling mouths, he carried a quiver of water. When the man offered him water, Uttanga said in disgust, "No, I am fine friend. Thank you" and hastened away from him. The 'shudra' then disappeared, into thin air. It was now that Uttanga understood that he was no ordinary man and that he had been put to trial by a celestial being. Later Krishna came to him and said, 'you have made me face defeat against Indra'. Actually the shudra was Indra and the water was the 'nectar of immortality', now Uttanga though a conscious man, knew that he had made a mistake and understood that he should be equal in his judgement towards a high or low caste. Krishna had bet with Indra that his virtuous and pious friend would gladly accept the offering but he didn't. So in this way untouchability is most condemed, but what can I say, there are fools who practice this. |
Sonik_01
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Post Number: 90
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 09:22 am: |
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Well sorry Spaceman,
But all I'm saying is when crime, poverty, and hunger have their firm grip on a population, along with the delusions of religion stunting the people's awareness, not to mention overpopulation, I think it would be hard to be compassionate. I've seen it myself when I travel to Central America what poverty does to people. Some people can't even imagine. When you're in such terrible need, it's hard to care about your neighbor if your life is on the line, every day. Children can't go to school so they form gangs that rob and steal in order to take what they need. For pure survival. Think about it. I'm sure the situation is no different in India. And I've never come to the conclusion that Indians are more compassionate than others because I've met many cruel ones who are exceedingly greedy and care only of themselves, especially in the workplace. I've also met many nice ones as well. But I think that's the whole point. What I'm getting at here is that one population can't say in self-glorification of another, we are compassionate and you are not, because that is simply not the case. Instead of self-glorification, we have a responsibility to help others in need, spiritually, emotionally, with education, and in any way we can (money perhaps, physical help, etc). Have you ever been to Latin America? Many compassionate people there. Africa? Many compassionate people there as well. Phillipines, Thailand, Laos Cambodia, Burma, Brunei, do you think there are no compassionate people over there? Only in India? What about China where the vast majority of people live in poverty as well? Do you think those people, after having suffered so much, don't know the value of life? Only in India? The list could go on and on but if I haven't made my point by now we could agree to disagree. |
Spaceman
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Post Number: 86
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 09:14 am: |
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Well, there are nice people all around the world. But what this topic started as and where it has gone now has little connection. I have a question, to which I have still not found a proper answer - Why is it that through out history, we find that our race was interested in taking over the world? I know the Mongols too have tried under Genghis Khan, but he was one. Self glorification? What glorification do I get of speaking about a foreign country? I have come to any conclusion about India, after reading about the way they achieved freedom, can you even imagine one like Gandhi? I mean there was a time when we whites thought that we are more 'advanced' and that dark people are closer to apes! I mean where does our brains get stuff like that? People in your workplace you say, how well have you been to them, to say that they are mean, what do they do, crave a higher post and I bet there is plenty of racism there too. Do you know how we as a race have rid the world? There are of course mean Indians too but it is from history, a long list of events of a country from which I draw conclusions, not what any one did today or yesterday. There were kings in India that felt guilt from ruining lands in battle, what glory do you think I find in saying this? That kings name was Asoka the Great, indeed Great is a correct title for him, rather than Alexander the 'Great' who had no talent other than detroying. |
Tjames
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Post Number: 217
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 12:45 pm: |
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> "Hello, > > Yes Spaceman this discussion has taken a turn into resentment for our past > instead of "picking out examples we can learn from and OH YEAH WE'RE > FORGETTING THE LESSONS PART" and it's almost a "match" to find the > healthiest race. Just think.. how is this useful. Are we just creating a > different type of racism by simply comparing races, there are more to humans > than aggression and conquests and we know that humans tend to learn and > adapt quite rapidly so what is it that we are conveying that solves this > ancient beast of oppression and racism through strictly and only looking at > peoples differences. I think we've missed the point. When we look at our > similarities we see our solutions and only then can any (huge) differences > that people like to point out so much between Earth humans may be rationally > and conciously dissolved in a logical way. > > Think about this, how will this benefit the race discussion and represent > F.I.G.U. craftsmanship. Everything produced by the Swiss Center is of > Complete top grade quality and we should not be as short sighted to let > "them" continue this legacy, we too have an obligation. As earth citizens > who are aware and able as well as people from all around the world here on > the forum we can and must show the examples how the races should get along. > I have not even seen appropriate interaction between the small diverse > discussion we've had here. When will we learn. We know alot!! What will > it take to see the whole picture and see through our own prejudices through > our bable squabs that lead (in my opinion) no where? I'm talking about > simply us here on the forum guys. If we can't do it than who are we to even > speak on this issue? > We do not yet have the extreme specific technical capabilities that will > enable the scientific anylasis and data to conclude any one reasoning > between the differences among the Earth races and perhaps why (stark) if any > differences exist. On the other hand we do posses within our grasp the > logical and analytical abilites to conclude social and behavorial > differences between the races like upbringing, social dissorders, influence > through enviornment/media or the influence of environment (which doesn't > include) extremely specific scientific analysis, a similar type which is > required for accurate horroscope documentation for which we do not currently > (publicly) utilize. > > Tim"
Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona!
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Sonik_01
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Post Number: 91
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 07:23 am: |
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Ok guys,
What I'm trying to say I will say in two sentances:
Asking who are the most compassionate/ most this or that people is like asking who has an extraterrestrial spirit form. It really doesn't matter and serves no real purpose because we're all in this together.
Why do you think figu doesn't give out information on people's spirit form anymore? That is the same reason I was being discouraging of the original remarks being made. No other reasons, no resentments, no ulterior motives, no anything. So, wow, I hope it is finally clear now.
C yyyyas... |
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