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    Hunter Member Post Number: 267 Registered: 03-2004 |
More riots in France: VANDALS set fire to about 400 cars overnight and police said they arrested more than 250 people, as violence marred France's New Year celebrations. However, a police spokesman said there were fewer problems than in 2005, when youths attacked trains in the Paris region and southeast of the country. 25,000 police were on duty throughout the country during the night, including 4500 in Paris, where the authorities banned fireworks and firecrackers. Police said that they had arrested 258 people nationwide by early morning, including two children aged eight and 10 who set fire to dustbins in the eastern city of Strasbourg. Three children aged between 10 and 12 were arrested in a Paris suburb after they were caught carrying cans of petrol. In the capital itself, almost 400,000 people welcomed in the New Year on the Champs Elysees and at the foot of the Eiffel Tower, where no serious incidents were reported. Setting cars on fire has become a regular event in France during New Year's Eve celebrations, especially in the deprived suburbs that ring many cities. http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0,22884,21000221-5005940,00.html | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 268 Registered: 03-2004 |
Rarena wrote: "As to Direct Democracy the last (11/29/06 following) Sonder bulletin #31 has been converted to English by Christian Frehner and is about Direct Democracy. Thanks Christian. http://www.figu.org/de/download/so_bulletin_31.pdf" Equal rights are a good thing. I fully support them. I don't have time to read the whole bulletin, but my concern is with economic rights. We all have a right to keep what we earn and to not be deprived of it via force or threat of force. When you advocate income redistribution through taxation, this is what you're advocating - the theft from some people to take it and give it to others. This would seem to violate one of the laws of Creation: "you shall not rob and expropriate." Again, I'm all for people having the right to vote and keep their government in check, but I do not support the right of the majority to deprive the majority or individuals of rights. To me, that is a danger with direct democracy. You should note that in the Contacts, Billy has lamented some of the changes in Switzerland in regards to neutrality, joining the United Nations, foreign policy, etc. These changes happened due to direct democracy. The public can vote to change any policy it wants to change. But there are some things that shouldn't be up for a vote - for example, the laws of Creation. "Could not get your last link (serendipity.li) to work is that spelled correctly?" I just copied it and pasted it on my browser. It worked just fine. Try it again and make sure you copy the whole link. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hunter, Read this article and then we'll discuss it: http://www.figu.org/de/download/so_bulletin_31.pdf" Serendipity.li will not work maybe a .com or .org but .li unless there is some kind of message there? Like liar or is it lawyer...? There is nothing in Sonder Bulletin_31 about redistribution through taxation nor expropriation of funds. It is about equality. Decent pay for decent work... pay ceilings. Taking back control of our family without a bunch of puffed-up, waggish, egocentric, narcissistic, messianic, megolomaniacs maintaining the power of life and death of our children. And if scarcity consciousness is at work here... They may take the Sonder bulletin 31 off the internet soon... so read up! After all, it does make sense, but then again, the Earth Human does not want to know the truth... | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 404 Registered: 03-2004 |
V for VENDETTA (Warner Bros) vendetta noun 1.) a blood feud in which the family of a murdered person seeks vengeance on the murderer or the murderer's family. 2.) a prolonged bitter quarrel with or campaign against someone: he has accused the British media of pursuing a vendetta against him. -ORIGIN mid 19th cent.: from Italian, from Latin vindicta 'vengeance'. (The New Oxford Dictionary of English) Dear fellow FIGU friends, This 2006 Hollywood blockbuster has (as a DVD) now been independently sent to us twice from two of our many friends who are neither unintelligent nor ill-motivated. The first arrived even before the film was publicly released, and came from an individual who has experienced the full horror of the occult Powers That Be, but, evidently (and quite understandably!) weakened by his terrible ordeal and not familiar with the renewed teachings, does not perceive the purpose of this popular movie. The second DVD was sent very recently by a generous FIGU friend. This is what impelled me to write this warning to those others here who do not yet fully grasp what is occurring on our planet, as described by the Plejaren, and logically corroborated by literally innumerable independent sources. The toxic cultural environment in which we all stew is so ubiquitous that people simply cannot perceive it for what it really is, anymore than a shoal of fish can perceive water for what it really is. It is almost impossible to step back sufficiently to be able to look down on this vast planetary Bafath conspiracy with the required perspective. The forest has been almost totally obscured with unchecked tree growth. According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica: the four Warner brothers, “ … were the sons of Benjamin Eichelbaum, an immigrant Polish cobbler and peddler.” “ … In 1969 it became Warner Bros. Inc., a subsidiary of Warner Communications Inc. In 1989 the latter company merged with Time Inc. to form Time Warner Inc., the largest media and entertainment corporation in the world.” Of course those who have eyes to see instantly recognize Warner Bros’ blue and gold color scheme. V for Vendetta, whose faux-graffiti logo is very reminiscent of the circled “A” of the urban anarchist spray-can hoodlums (being a circled red “V”), also provides a symbolic clue to its ideological association by curving the tops of the letter outward to resemble the “devil’s” horns. For those who have not see the film, I’m sure there must be a lot of reviews and outlines of it out there on the Internet from duped fans, but – in a nutshell – it is a U.K. based, Orwellian dystopia flick which encourages violent popular revolution against a degenerate and utterly corrupt semi-crypto-fascist police state, and it contains enough truth to make a compelling (not to mention VERY lucrative) rallying point for the deluded conspiracy theorists, (as opposed to the other kind). Big Brother government wages a high-tech covert terror war against its own innocent citizens through false flag terrorism. The church is led by loathsome elite untouchable pedophiles. Big Pharma secretly infects the population with deadly viruses. Dissidents disappear into torture chambers for a bit of sado-sexual trama-based mind control, to return – if at all – as abulic zombies, etc. etc. etc. Ring true? It’s a modern/near-future remake of the (foiled) Guy Faulkes’ 1605 “Gunpowder Plot”, where the English Houses of Parliament are explosively demolished by dissident revolutionaries, and the movie ends in a slow motion CGI spectacular showing this atrocity accompanied by the stirring strains of the (Napoleonic) War of 1812 Overture and accompanying skyrockets and similar fireworks – all with the rapturous revolutionary citizens looking on approvingly. It doesn’t take a genius to see the parallels between that and the WTC Massacre. The twin themes of the planned death of respect of government authority, and the demise of the church are well-described in Zionist literature, and alluded to by Arahat Athersata. Since I’ve recently found out that some FIGU types have not yet found and studied the authorised unofficial translations we are publishing of the FIGU material, let me crave our moderators’ indulgence here for a moment and insert excerpts from www.gaiaguys.net/stronggovernweak.htm , assuming a picture is worth a thousand words. Arahat Athersata, p.24. 53. Since time immemorial humans who were struck with blindness, in so far as it concerns consciousness, wandered over the Earth and announced evil, false teachings. 54. So war es auch zur Zeit der französischen Revolution, als böse Irrlehrer und bewusstseinmässig arme materiell-intellektuelle Menschen vor die Volkmassen traten und in die Welt hinausschrien, dass alles, was Menschenantlitz trage, gleich sei. 54. It was also thus at the time of the French Revolution, as evil, false teachers and material-intellectual people, who were poor in consciousness, stepped before the masses of people and shouted out into the world that everyone with a human face is the same. 55. Mit dieser bösen Lüge wandten sie sich im speziellen an die bewusstseinmässig noch Unmündigen, an die Unterjochten, an die Minderentwickelten und Bewusstseinversklavten. 55. With this evil lie they especially focused on the people who were uninformed in their measure of consciousness, on the subjugated, on the least developed and those enslaved in their consciousness. 56. Die bewussten Lügen und die unerfüllbaren Versprechungen der Irrlehrer vermochten in diesen so beeinflussten, schlichten und einfachen Menschen die niedrigsten Triebe durchbrechen zu lassen. 56. The deliberate lies of the false teachers, and their promises that could not be fulfilled, were able to allow the basest motivations to break through in these plain and simple people, who were thus influenced. 57. Lügen und unerfüllbare Versprechen nach dem imaginären Ziel, endlich das schwere Joch der Unterdrücker abzuschütteln und alle Dinge selbst in die Hand zu nehmen, verleitete diese Schwächeren und der Führung Bedürftigen zu Irrhandlungen und zu ausartenden Ausschreitungen. 57. Lies and unfulfillable promises towards the imaginary goal of finally shaking off the heavy yoke of the oppressor and to taking all things in hand oneself misled these weaker ones, and those requiring leading, to wrong behavior and to degenerated transgressions. 58. Sie wussten ja nicht, dass die Gleichheit der Menschen ihre Berechtigung erst in der Befolgung der Naturgesetze rechtfertigt und in der Wahrheit der Bewusstsein- und Geistentwicklung. 58. They did not know that the entitlement to human equality is first justified in the adherence to the laws of nature and in the truth of the development of consciousness and spirit. 59. Doch die Volkmassen hörten auf das irre Schreien der ebenso irren Materiell-Intellektuellen, die aber grundlegend nicht die eigentlichen Verantwortlichen dieser Irrlehren waren, die nicht einmal 200 Jahre der Entwicklung benötigten, um die ganze Erde in Aufruhr, Entsetzen und Uneinigkeit, Elend und Not zu versetzen. 59. Yet the masses listened to the insane screams of the material intellectuals who were just as insane, who were, however, fundamentally, not the actual ones responsible for this false teaching, which required not even 200 years of development in order to shift the entire Earth into uproar, horror and disunity, misery and need. 60. Die grundlegenden Fakten dieser bösen Tatsachen gehen weiter zurück als die damals dargebrachten Irrlehren der bewusstseinarmen Materiell-Intellektuellen. 60. The basic facts of this evil state of affairs go further back than the false teachings brought about at the time of the material intellectuals who were poor in consciousness. 61. Die Fakten führen zurück in die Anfänge der irdischen Religionen, die in ihren Irrlehren ein bestimmendes, bestrafendes, bewachendes und allsehendes Wesen im Absoluten über den Erdenmenschen setzten, ihn dadurch zur Demut zwangen, unter ein höheres Wesen knechteten und ihm seine ursprüngliche Selbstbestimmung und Selbstsicherheit nahmen. 61. The facts lead back to the beginnings of the terrestrial religions which, in their false teachings, set an ordaining, punishing, watching and all-seeing being in the absolute over the Earth human to thereby force him into humility, to be subjugated under a higher being and to take from him his innate self-determination and his own security. 62. Dadurch wurde die selbständige bewusstseinmässige Entwicklung unterbunden, denn wo eine höhere Wesenform Macht, Gewalt, Bestimmung, Strafgericht und alle sonst mit Macht verbundenen Eigenschaften ausübt, da muss jede Selbstbestimmung und Selbstsicherheit unterdrückt, versklavt und vernichtet werden. 62. Thereby the independent development of the consciousness was thwarted, because, where a higher form of being exercises power, force, determination, punishment and all other qualities bound with might, all self-determination and self-security must be oppressed, enslaved and annihilated. Arahat Athersata, p.32 118. Stärke und Macht sind Eigenschaften, die nur in Wissen und Weisheit der schöpferischen Gesetze und Gebote und in deren Erfüllung Anwendung finden dürfen. 118. Strength and power are qualities that may only be employed in the knowledge and wisdom of the Creational laws and commandments, and in their fulfillment. 119. So sie der Erdenmensch aber nur in Erfüllung seiner weltlichen und materiellen Wünsche anwendet und sie demgemäss nach Belieben danach ausrichtet, werden sie zu Kräften des Bösen, der Versklavung, Ausbeutung und Unterdrückung. 119. Because the Earth human employs them only in the fulfillment of his worldly and material wishes, and aligns them according to his desires, they become powers of evil, of enslavement, exploitation and oppression. 120. Zwangsläufig tritt dadurch wieder die Folge in Erscheinung, dass sich die Versklavten, Ausgebeuteten und Unterdrückten gegen diese Kräfte empören und auflehnen, revoluzzerischen Ambitionen freien Lauf lassen und zum Schwerte greifen. 120. Inevitably, thereby it occurs again that the enslaved, exploited and oppressed ones rise up and rebel against these powers, their revolutionary ambitions are allowed free reign and they grasp their swords. (snip) Most people cannot IMAGINE that those well-paid, democratically elected representatives - in whom they misguidedly place their trust and hope for a peaceful future for their grandchildren - are the real authors of their miserable enslavement. Sometimes a filthy rat will start to squeak only when he’s cornered, as was the case with this shocking admission: "Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." Hermann Goering (Hitler's most loyal supporter and one of the primary architects of the Nazi police state in Germany and the Holocaust. It was Göring who led the economic despoliation of the Jews in Germany and in the various territories that fell under Hitler's power.) Freemasonry’s (U.S leader) Albert Pike partly took credit on behalf of Freemasonry for the first French Revolution for which Freemasonry’s motto is the same as that for the revolutionary movement. ie.” Liiberty, Fraternity, Equality”. In Morals and Dogma, an authoritative 19th Century Freemasonic text, Pike wrote, “Christianity taught the doctrine of FRATERNITY; but repudiated that of political EQUALITY, by continually inculcating obedience to Cæsar, and to those lawfully in authority. Masonry was the first apostle of EQUALITY. In the Monastery there is fraternity and equality, but no liberty. Masonry added that also, and claimed for man the three-fold heritage, LIBERTY, EQUALITY, and FRATERNITY.” “Masonry…aided in bringing about the French Revolution, disappeared with the Girondists, was born again with the restoration of order, and sustained Napoleon, because, though Emperor, he acknowledged the right of the people to select its rulers, and was at the head of a nation refusing to receive back its old kings.” “The Abbé Barruel in his Memoirs for the History of Jacobinism, declares that Masonry in France gave, as its secret, the words Equality and Liberty, leaving it for every honest and religious Mason to explain them as would best suit his principles; but retained the privilege of unveiling in the higher Degrees the meaning of those words, as interpreted by the French Revolution.” None of this information is hard to find anymore. This “burn and re-construct” insanity is sometime symbolically represented by the mythical phoenix* (not eagle). The only revolution which can bring lasting peace and justice is The Silent Revolution of Truth, and all who truly desire this must strive for the truth which will empower and liberate all of us. DO NOT allow yourselves to be mesmerized into violence by dogmatically following the hypnotically moving colored lights provided by those darlings of Henn (a.k.a. Jehovah the Cruel, Jehovah the Unjust). Salome, Dyson * phoenix noun (in classical mythology) a unique bird that lived for five or six centuries in the Arabian desert, after this time burning itself on a funeral pyre and rising from the ashes with renewed youth to live through another cycle. a person or thing regarded as uniquely remarkable in some respect. -PHRASES: rise like a phoenix from the ashes emerge renewed after apparent disaster or destruction. -ORIGIN from Old French fenix, via Latin from Greek phoinix 'Phoenician, reddish purple, or phoenix'. The relationship between the Greek senses is obscure: it could not be 'the Phoenician bird' because the legend centres on the temple at Heliopolis in Egypt, where the phoenix is said to have burnt itself on the altar. Perhaps the basic sense is 'purple', symbolic of fire and possibly the primary sense of Phoenicia as the purple land (or land of the sunrise). New Oxford Dictionary of English 3:14 “Remember the French Revolution, to which it was we who gave the name of ‘Great’: the secrets of its preparations are well known to us for it was wholly the work of our hands.” (www.gaiaguys.net/protocols.htm) | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 713 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dyson and All.... For those whom are not familiar yet...with... Concerning: - his links to the United States and in particular to chemical supplies - Well, for those whom are not familiar yet: One of the Head Chemical Suppliers to Iraq at the time was a Dutchman, whom was apprehended and is sentenced, now. It was rather an odd story: it was made known that, at first, that he was a Secret Agent of the country's - Internal Security Intelligence -, here. Which is about the equivalent of the FBI or CIA. And when his name and company (chemicals) surfaced, he then went into a 'Safe house' helped by that mentioned agency. And than, there was all sorts of chaos and confusion...and, they did not know if they should turn him in or not. Of course, eventually: He IS/WAS One Of Their OWN!? But, that man was extradited, and his case went into the Court. And so, he received...soooo....many years. Thus, we have to keep in mind that there IS a Link between that individual, mentioned above and the, then...US government(CIA...etc..?); which also had it's: Finger In The Porridge! And of course: Many Kurds did demonstrate outside the Courthouse sessions. They wanted more satisfaction...and compensation, etc. So, at least, ONE... here, was convicted. Do not here much about the rest: from the USA...?? Perhaps...THEY are being shield by - The Skull And Bones!? Edward. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1079 Registered: 02-2000 |
V for VENDETTA was a comic book before they made it into a movie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta My Website | ||
Technod Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 07-2003 |
Good day Everyone The other day i caught the evening news regarding the new "speaker of the house" Nancy Pelosi? Seems theres quite a stir about a Women reaching higher authority.I wonder if she could be a candidate for the one spoken of in the contacts.mabey 251 Something along the line of moulding a better future.+++++ {thats 5} It will be interesting none the less and im betting that most citizens are expecting to see action and not speech rehersals there in front of the, cameras which made the news this week. From what i understand C-SPAN cable news wanted to pan the camera in congress to show peolpe standing around having honest conversations.? But Pelosi thought diffrent and decided against it.hhhmm any thoughts? Peace b Brian Best | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 368 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day everyone Totally agree with your reasoning Dyson Although I might add, some of the script wasn't that bad at all. "Words will retain their power, words of a means of meaning for those who will listen to the enunciation of truth and the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country. Isn't there cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression, where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have sensors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and your submission". "How did this happen, who is to blame, well, there are certainly those who are more responsible than others and they will be held accountable and truth be told, if you are looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror". ---------- Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici- 'by the power of truth I were living have conquered the universe' I wonder if we could change the word 'conquered' with 'become one with'. Anyway it wasn't all bad Cheers matt | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 409 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Matt, I liked, "You cannot kill an idea", but these truths represent the sweet sugar coating on a bitter poison pill. I see CIA-front website who speak of awakening the "sheeple". :-( What I really disliked was the idea that someone has to be half tortured to death before the fear of death can be overcome. What crap! All you have to do is read Billy's book, Leben und Tod ("Life and Death"). Billy writes that an irrational fear of death is THE weapon of choice among the Control Group, because that fear freezes their ignorant slaves into deadly inaction against them. Salome, Dyson | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1080 Registered: 02-2000 |
I like this quote from Peter Levenda from Paranoia magazine Winter 2007 issue. so I'll post it here. "How is it that in the last election we had two Bonesmen - Bush & Kerry - running for President when only about .0001 percent of the American population are Bonsmen?"  My Website | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 412 Registered: 03-2004 |
" ... the irresponsible powers of Israel have worked out secret plans regarding a rocket and air-force attack against the atomic facilities in Iran." Ptaah, October 15th, 2006, published on November 29th, 2006 "Israel has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran's uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons, Britain's Sunday Times newspaper said." January 7, 2007 www.gaiaguys.net/meier.p14-16sb31.htm has been updated. Salome, Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 370 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Dyson Just going through a another DVD documentary right now which I saw a couple of years back, it's titled 'The world according to BUSH', have you seen this one dyson? This DVD more or less reflects a lot of what we already know, what we have already deduced from our own perceptions and everything that still persists. The parallels of this documentary and Vendetta could not be any more clearer, like art imitating life and life imitating art, as you have said Dyson, I think it's the biggest trump card and a weapon of choice for these people to use fear mongering to reign in the collective submission and conformity. Yet the scene from Vendetta where John Hurt's character cries likes a baby before he gets shot is so poignantly reminiscent reflection of all those vile characters occupying the white house, when cornered they are all childish cowards. To be brutally honest, I think there is this dark 'V' like character in all of us begging to come out, even violently and to proclaim, 'enough is enough' albeit just in thought but then again most of us know better than to fight fire with fire. We just want to live in peace, love, harmony and freedom and I guess Sfath said it best when he said 71. 'The human's biggest problem is their ignorance with regard to Creation and it's laws and commandments. 72. This is not a problem of one single class of society or of an individual direction of belief, rather it is a problem of every single human, a problem of the whole humanity'. I just wrote a post 369 about what may be the fundamental basis of our degeneration and I am unsure about it's merits and it's voracity but the thoughts just came to me. I am pessimistic about my own nature and that of humanity as a whole. Being optimistic is akin to being colour blind, some things are disregarded by the eye therefore you're not seeing everything and yet I cannot get this fact out of my head when I do fee pessimistic that if the world and everything in it is seen with the spiritual eye, even the most evil of evil and degeneration of degneration can be understood in the context of the whole of Creation that transcends the limited boundaries of material intellectual thought and thus have it own unique role in this greater web of existence. Still need much to do. cheers Matt | ||
Technod Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 07-2003 |
Hi Dyson Do you think its possible that the Isreal attack on iran facilitys and the troop surge pending in iraq are connected in some way? Brian Best | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 413 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi guys. No. I haven't seen that DVD. Here's a bit of something I wrote last June which pertains to Matt's current topic: "... one of the goals of spiritual evolution is to be able to achieve a state of spiritual poise which allows for (beneficial) “optimistische angelassenheit” (optimistic equanimity), not to be confused with (detrimental) positive degeneration." http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/5442.html#POST15035 Sure, Brian, it's connected. Remember Billy told us that the End Times Republicans had WWIII (Armageddon/Rapture, etc.) planned if they kept power in November, and there are reverberations from that failure going on all over the place, with a lot of CIA/Mossad-induced political instability in little countries in this (Sth. Pacific) region, as well as in the Far East/Central Asia. Bush's plan is to kill/maim as many young US men and woman as possible before he is stopped. Scott Ritter was the ONLY UN weapons inspector who got it right, so what did the elite protected pedophiles in power do to reward him for his book, WAR ON IRAQ? They did a Wendelle Stevens number on him and framed him for child molestation. Read the book: www.gaiaguys.net/armageddon.htm Here's a snip of what I wrote back on '02: "The war on Iraq is not about oil. This is a deliberate distraction from the bizarre truth. The war on Iraq is about Armageddon - the "Final Battle", the "End of Time" ...the end of the world and the "Rapture" - an insanely delusional murder/suicide fantasy by a religious fringe who - due to their ancient, powerful and now recently banished ties to primordial god/overlords beyond the intellectual grasp of all but the most open-minded and well informed generalists - have slowly acquired a covert power unrivalled in the long and bloody history of planet Earth." And from former South African President Nelson Mandela, on President George Bush's stance on Iraq, January 30th, 2003: "One power with a president who can't think properly, ... wants to plant the world into holocaust" You can't go past Kay Griggs for a deep (but narrow) insight into the horror: www.gaiaguys.net/kaygriggstalks.htm , and watching for the Freemason handshakes on the TV news is a good way of understanding their game-plan too: www.gaiaguys.net/Latham.Howard.04.htm Like the leaders of Israel and Egypt on TV the other day pretending to have a little disagreement. The Palestinian head is a brother too evidently. Don't take my word for it. Do your own research. Peace in wisdom (or war in ignorance) Dyson | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 206 Registered: 07-2004 |
Dysons statement back in '02 is the reality of the Bush game plan that almost came about. Bush senior was obviously a central figure that was in contact with the elements of the Giza Intelligences(GI's). The fact that we were witnessing blatant activities of subversion towards America from Americans( Skull and Bones) in unprecedented volume after the GI's grip was removed can attest to the Bush families involvement. Head of CIA, VPres, President, father of President etc. There has been constant control maintained for these schemes to dominate and subdue the rest of humanity. The Bush family is this planets greatest danger ever in its history. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1082 Registered: 02-2000 |
I don't think there's direct contact with Bush Sr. it would be done with those telonetic devices that influence dreams or false visions. I don't even think there was direct contact with Hitler. Direct contact would mean the Plejarens could physically interfere. The Bafath would need to influence earth humans in a way that was allowable according to the Plejarens terms. Its a grey area. We don't know the so-called exact rules these two played by. Its almost like a cold war. My Website | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 207 Registered: 07-2004 |
That's a good clarification Norm. Yes Sr. Bush would not of been face to face with the GI's. I was pointing out the jump in extreme openness to the high handed actions towards world domination since the GI's removal. It may not really be a reason for the rise in the grab for power, maybe just coinciding. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 719 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... If I remember it correctly: It was Hitler's henchmen, those around him, before they even met Hitler....whom were under some spell. I think that they were, some way manipulated via some sort of 'telepathic' or other mind/conscious manipulating device, which directed them, to where they were going, at the time. So, Hitler was NOT directly manipulated. Later on, as I understand it: those whom were deeply manipulated...manipulated Hitler! And thus, Hitler...could fine no way out. As I remember Semjase explaining this. Hitler wanted to direct the world more into a more Social way of life, in a Positive sense, but alas...via his manipulated henchmen, this never came into reality. The opposite...went into progression, instead. Billy and the Plejarans did mention, that certain mechanization's are still at work(conscious or unconsciously)...which is the result/effect...of what came into realization by the mentioned above. So, it seems, THOSE NEGATIVE Vibrations, if you will...are still penetrating to some world leaderships...that may 'collaborate'...within that same Negative...Frequencies!? Thus, anyone like Mr.Bush: knowing his Frequency of way of thinking, so to speak, would be (VERY) susceptible to these Negative Levels...of Negative Energies/Vibrations...which he can TAP into; Consciously..of Unconsciously!(But still having a mind of his own, to some extent) I mean, you have individuals that can TAP into the Levels of True Positive Knowledge, thus, why is it not possible for very 'Unbalanced' individuals to TAP into the Negative above mentioned Levels....which Float around, in some mentioned layers/levels, so to speak. And thus, they than Neither Think correctly....but...just go along with the above mentioned Negative IMPULSES. And thus, their IMPULSES are stronger than their own WILL. With WILL One has One's own Destiny in One's own hands, and with IMPULSES, One...just - Goes With The Flow -, so to speak, without... any other human THOUGHT processing, what so ever. Edward. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 174 Registered: 04-2006 |
I truly recommend to watch any of Hitler's speeches adressing the German nation, in order to understand and create your own judgement about the historical figure and this sadly misguided person. The man's psyche was absolutely destroyed.(The tone of his discourses, the loud volume, his gestures...it all was not real, it was somewhat forced...) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf6_zKLbykQ | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 421 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Edward, My friend, haven’t you read Mein Kampf? From the very START, Hitler wanted to LITERALLY enslave the entire world, to serve his autocratic "master race". In spite of the fact that he was insane and syphilitic, any suggestion that Hitler had a diminished personal responsibility for the Holocaust, etc. is ignorant and irresponsible. The truth about who was REALLY behind the NAZIs and what their REAL origins were is far more iconoclastic, but I’ll leave that to individuals to find. The truth is out there. Salome, Dyson | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 722 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... I think I may have not expressed myself, clearly? What I am referring to, is: that Hitler's henchmen were under the influence of the Giza Intelligence(Puppet Masters; as is mentioned) FIRST; way before Adolf Hitler, himself. That is what I once read. Semjase gave a very detailed description on this, once.(Did not mention how far back the henchmen were under their spell.) I, myself, thought that Hitler was already under their influence, from way back in his youth years. Because, I did read in some books about his life, that Hitler had had all sorts of visions, and even visitations by some sort of beings or entities; and as he grew older. But after I read what Semjase said, the above: this was not the case. So, for Hitler, the influence and manipulations on him: came much later, when his career gradually took greater proportions. And that was indeed, a 'ripe time', so to speak...for the Giza Intelligence to execute their sinister and morbid practices/influences on him, as person...on a greater scale. So, we must keep in mind, that the Giza Intelligence...attached themselves to the Strongest of the bunch, at the time, and that was Hitler and his power structure. For them, The Strongest...is what counted. And I guess this would speak for itself. Edward. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1085 Registered: 02-2000 |
"Lanz von Liebenfels, a leading member of the occult fraternity, wrote to a fellow conspirator "Hitler is one of our pupils, you will experience that he, and through him we, will one day be victorious". In fact, it was Baron von Sebottendorf's Occult Thule Society that originated and financed the ultra-right wing German Workers Party (GWP), which eventually became the National Socialist Party (the Nazi Party). A leading member of the Thule Society was Dietrich Eckart, to whom Hitler dedicated his influential book "Mein Kampf". Eckart organized rituals involving "gifted" Russian peasant women, where it was said "ectoplasm" would manifest from their genitals and take the form of spirits. Eckart ran a publishing company and was responsible for printing and distributing the inflammatory "Protocols of the Elders of Sion" document to Russian White Army troops and the German People, creating the myth of a Jewish Global Conspiracy that ignited anti-Semitism. Madame Blavatsky's Theosophy movement had predicted the coming of a "new messiah to usher in a New Age", and having met Hitler in 1919, Eckart was convinced that Hitler was "the one". Hitler was soon given the leadership of their "German Workers Party". Eckart wrote to a friend in 1923 "Follow Hitler! He will dance, but it is I who have called the tune. We have given him the means of communication with Them. I shall have influenced history more than any other German". http://www.geocities.com/newworldorder_themovie/nazisandaryans.html This type of info has been mentioned in many books on Hitler & the Occult that I've read over many years. The rest of that site I can't vouch for. My Website | ||
Psycloud Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 06-2006 |
I had a feeling this morning that Billy was right when he says that Bush is religiously driving this war in iraq. On the today show this morning at work, they said that despite the mulitary generals, and despite the senate and the house of representatives, Bush still wants to send more troops over there, and the news media says he wants to do this because he thinks it will help. Well I think billy may be right when he says that he is fixed on fighting this war because of religious purposes...in his mind at least... because despite everyone telling this man that he is making the wrong decisions, he still makes them. There has to be some reason behind it. I know that the news media really doesn't show much of a religious side of Bush, maybe he is delusional in his sectarian ways and we are just not being shown this. I find it amazing that he is allowed to go against so many people. I am truthful to the extend at which I know the truth. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 423 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Norm, Hollywood is really not a good source of historical accuracy, and its bigwigs deliberately tangle fact and fiction together so they cannot be easily separated again. Salome, Dyson | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 723 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dyson.... Yes, I am very familiar with what you mentioned. I would agree: to let every individual judge for him/her self. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 724 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Norm.... What you posted is also familiar to me. 'You got the idea', to what I am referring to, and of course, Semjase!  Edward. | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 269 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dyson, So you're saying that V for Vendetta is ultimately harmful because of the message that violence is the answer to overthrowing government? You're saying that occultists are behind this message in order to foster discord a la the French Revolution? But didn't Semjase say at one point that there is little hope but to use violent means to get the criminal leaders out of power? Not that I'm recommending that - I do believe we should only use non-violent means - but she obviously viewed it as a legitimate option. I agree that all people aren't equal and some type of leadership is necessary, but at the same time, people do have equal rights under Creational law, and it would seem only logical that they have a right to remove leaders from power if said leaders abuse their authority - which is happening frequently on this planet. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 175 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Hunter, i think V of Vendetta message is wrong...you cannot/should not kill 50 in order to free 5 million from a tyrant... Semjase said that a certain kind of barbarism which is somewhat latent/dormant in the people(in the masses) is acceptable....The animal/beast instinct which is inside of each one of us. But Semjase relates barbarism to uneducated people, the populace ,as a last resort to defend their lives and dignity.People who have some clue about natural laws, human laws or even spiritual laws cannot act in such a barbaric way. Any person who wishes to change things, to change injustice at little or great scale, must adhere to "forced forcelessness" or "peaceful force" , otherwise he is not compliying with creational law... The excerpt of Arahat Athersata Dyson translated tells it like it is: 118. Stärke und Macht sind Eigenschaften, die nur in Wissen und Weisheit der schöpferischen Gesetze und Gebote und in deren Erfüllung Anwendung finden dürfen. 118. Strength and power are qualities that may only be employed in the knowledge and wisdom of the Creational laws and commandments, and in their fulfillment. Do we know how to apply/interpret creational law? That's the question... | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 424 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Hunter, Short answers: 1.) yes, among other things. 2.) yes. and 3.) "didn't Semjase say at one point that there is little hope but to use violent means to get the criminal leaders out of power?" If she did, I've lost sight of that comment, Hunter. Can you tell me where she said that please? To the best of my understanding, the only type of violence espoused by the Plejaren Federation is enforced non-violence. The idea of the High Cabal (to use Churchill's term), as expressed clearly in the references I provided, is to organise fools into religiopolitical leadership roles who screw up society so badly that we beg for iron fists, but not just any iron fist ... the ones that are offered from those who want to maintain their "order through chaos". Arms sales (consumerism) is the goal, and the gratification of sadomasochism. Salome, Dyson | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 06-2006 |
Washington, DC - Bush Declares War on Iran: "With a strong show of bi-partisan support from Joe Lieberman and the Connecticut for Lieberman party, President Bush early this morning announced that a de-facto state of war now exists between Iran and the Iraqi coalition forces. ..................."If any mistakes are made from this point on, they won't be my fault." Bush insisted. Depending upon an investigation of the seized paperwork and computers, Bush went on to state that the next likely series of events would include strategic nuclear strikes launched from US aircraft carrier assets in the Persian Gulf, which would be designed to wipe out Iran's controversial nuclear enrichment facilities." http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/index.php?itemid=2112 | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 06-2006 |
Is that news article from that site about Bush declaring (nuclear) war against Iran a joke? | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 270 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dyson wrote: "If she did, I've lost sight of that comment, Hunter. Can you tell me where she said that please? To the best of my understanding, the only type of violence espoused by the Plejaren Federation is enforced non-violence." Dyson, I looked but I was unable to find it. I believe it was Semjase and not Quetzal, but it was something of the effect of - the criminals in power must be removed and peaceful measures won't be effective at this stage. I might be wrong, but I remember being surprised when I read it. I believe it was in response to an attack or a large number of deaths in relation to U.S. foreign policy. I'll keep looking. Maybe I misinterpreted it. Namaste, Hunter | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 434 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Hunter, Keep hunting! ;-) (Sorry! I couldn't resist!) I'm hazarding a guess that it may not have arisen from a misunderstanding, but has stemmed from an old mis-translation of the word "Gewalt" which is sometimes rendered as "violence", but actually more closely signifies "force", if you see the distinction. I know that we are advised to "throw" ("werfen") our criminally corrupt leaders from office, but this is meant more as a figure of speech, and should be done (if still possible!) at the ballot box. It is worth noting that the renewed teachings do not rule out the application of lethal force in certain circumstances IF REQUIRED. Salome, Dyson | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 08-2006 |
Good morning all: I have a different view of Bush and his insanity. This war, like all other wars, is about money and power. Bush has been pushed into power by his father wanting to leave a legacy that rivals the Kennedy clan. I believe the true culprits can be found not only in Washington but also Saudi Arabia. If I were a Muslim I would be asking some very big questions as to why some have 24kt toilets while others live in extreme poverty. Follow the money trail and you will find the bad guys,,,always. Have any of you seen the desert ski resort? http://www.snopes.com/photos/architecture/indoorski.asp Have a wonderful day, Leann | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 271 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dyson, What do you think of the following?: http://www.redressofgrievance.biz http://freeamerica.ws | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 162 Registered: 10-2005 |
Lambasting of Bush: http://www.truthout .org/docs_ 2006/011207A. shtml | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 437 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Hunter, Thank you for drawing my attention to those websites, which I’ve had a look through. Of course I applaud anyone who is in that small minority who appears to recognize the growing fascist threat and is trying to do something about it. I also applaud people who are capable of thinking beyond the simplistic dichotomy of “ballots or bullets”. Having said that, in my considered opinion, these people still seem to be one hierarchy away from an effective solution, and that solution is the one advocated by Billy and the Plejaren Federation – namely: first and foremost, we must get our own individual houses in order, and then – and only then – are we in a functional position to adequately become part of the real global solution. Having had the bitter experience of trying to do something about a local environmental scandal next door (www.gaiaguys.net/pbinnutshell.htm) I know that the pubic “arena” serves mostly as a place for vicarious blood sports, and moving people collectively is like trying to herd cats. People like to sign petitions, which are then immediately thrown away but their corrupt recipients, because it’s quick and easy (and free) and assuages personal guilt. People like to dream about the traditional forms of revolution, and – as I mentioned recently in my little polemic about “V for Vendetta” - the Control Group exploits this (to the point that a leading Japanese automobile manufacturer’s 2007 advertising gimmick is, “JOIN THE 4WD REVOLUTION!”) So after all my unhappy learning experiences (and the legal theft of our National Estate here was not the first, see www.gaiaguys.net/VG_page.htm) I am firmly in agreement with Billy’s advice. First bring about the required personal changes. But there is a lot more to this than meets the eye, Hunter, because, once these changes start to kick in, what some people call “supernatural events” or “miracles” seem to start to happen, not only at a purely personal level, but also out there in the wider physical world. This is profoundly spooky, and invites disbelieving ridicule, but I think what we are told about the monstrous power of thought is 100% true, to the point that – as Jmmanuel said, (5:10.) "Blessed are the righteous, for nature is subject to them.” Incidentally, as I mentioned recently, this "power of thought" is in accord with Quantum Unified Field Theory. So if the forces of the weather are influenced by righteousness (i.e.: simply being in accord with the creational truth) as has been reported in the German language FIGU bulletin, how much more likely is it, that when a whole LOT of us all get on the right track together, we can stave off things like the coming earthquake in San Francisco, and – in comparison – deal quicky with the “small” stuff like the zionazis who are trying to bring on their damn “End Times” though the application of their motto (on the greenback) “Order through Chaos”? It’s been my experience that if you get a whole bunch of folks, who don’t know the whole truth, together in a local assembly, there will be a lot of heat, but not much light. And I’m so weary of the UFO subject being avoided. (www.disclosureproject.org) Let’s treat the cause of our curable disease, instead of just treating the symptoms with palliative care. Salome, Dyson P.S. Just for fun/controversy, I include four little current maps of our Australian state of New South Wales, (http://www.agric.nsw.gov.au/reader/drt-area) showing areas of identified severe drought over the last months, along with an arrow showing where Vivienne and I live. Make of it what you will! There is much more which is at least this crazy, and – as long as these blessings are not the motivation for correct action – I advise everyone reading this that, as Semjase asserts, “Wisdom is an elemental, tremendous power. Wisdom is light. And wherever a light shines, darkness and ignorance vanish.” The operative word is “elemental”, and wherever darkness and ignorance vanishes collectively, so does the fascism.  | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 272 Registered: 03-2004 |
Everyone please visit this website and donate: http://impeachforpeace.org/ImpeachNow.html | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 06-2006 |
Putin attacks 'very dangerous' US: Russian President Vladimir Putin sharply criticised the United States and its Western allies today for what he said was an attempt to force their will on the world. Mr Putin said the US overstepped its borders in every way Russian President Vladimir Putin has attacked the United States for what he said was its "almost uncontained" use of force around the world. America's "very dangerous" approach to global relations was fuelling a nuclear arms race, he told a security summit. Mr Putin said the United States had repeatedly overstepped its national borders in questions of international security, a policy that he said had made the world less, not more, safe. "Unilateral actions have not resolved conflicts but have made them worse," Mr Putin said, adding that force should only be used when backed by the United Nations Security Council. "This is very dangerous. Nobody feels secure any more because nobody can hide behind international law," he said. Mr Putin mentioned no specific conflicts. But he has been very critical of the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq, where US soldiers are still struggling to crush an insurgency. http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0210/breaking20.htm | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 02-2006 |
Alan I agree,,and the Meier case helps us see that Russia will not back down if threatened,,which of course they are. Mr Obama,,his speech today made me feel good,,he is up against such power however.I am a Canadian,of course Harper is an android,,,not answering 28 questions with regards to global warming. I love the people here. What else do we know about Obama?(Is he just another scum),,[dislike beeing considered, "profane"] Peace | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 10-2006 |
I wouldn't put much stock in Putin's judgment. Here's more from another article on Putin's speech: Though Russia is frequently at odds with the United States on a wide range of policy issues, Putin has generally avoided direct criticism of Washington and makes no secret of his personal friendship with President Bush. He restated this on Saturday, saying Bush was a "decent man" and a friend. "He is criticized for everything he does but he is a decent man. He says Russia and the U.S. will never be enemies and I agree with him," he said in answer to a question. http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL1053774820070210?pageNumber=2 | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 06-2006 |
"I wouldn't put much stock in Putin's judgment." Jakes, I wouldn't put too much stock in what Putin publicly says there about a so called personal friendship he says he supposedly has with Bush. Do you believe that is a REAL friendship Putin is talking about there? I also wouldn't put too much stock in what Putin publicly said there too about Russia and the U.S. will never be enemies. We know that is a lie. They've been arch enemies for the past 50 years and still are today. The Henoch Prophecies stated that Russia and the US will clash violently against each other in the 2006(?) World War 3 prophecy if it fulfilled itself. | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Allan, Putin’s just jealous he’s not in the world’s top position. Do you think he’s unaware that the material and technology he’s supplying Iran is being used in the nucler bomb building process? At least that’s what Billy says is Iran's intention. Putin’s no better than the rest. Peace and best regards. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Jakes, I'd like to know how you come to the assumption/conclusion that Putin is jealous he’s not in the world’s top position with what was mentioned in both of our previous posts? I don't see the connection. Of course I agree that Putin would be aware of that, and perhaps also thats what he wants too. I also agree with you that Putin's no better then the rest, but of course no leader is as bad as G Bush who is deluded/lost in his satanic Skull n Bones sect. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 502 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi guys. "Putin’s just jealous he’s not in the world’s top position." Not according to FIGU. It's all about the greenback no longer being used as the sole currency for the purchase and sale of crude oil. Michael Horn published something recently about this as it was something Billy stressed to him on his last visit. www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/57/usa.htm Sorry I can't do the translation for you, but you don't have to be a highly advanced ET to know this, (or even a German-reader) just a well-informed Earth human. Salome, Dyson | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 194 Registered: 04-2006 |
There have been 5 years of intensive preparations for the next world war III. Of course the chimperor in chief will be it's most powerful instigator and responsible for it, because he is working towards that goal. Putin is a much more moderate and smart man.He knows, believes in the balance of powers, neutrality and strategy as a means to achieve peace.Not in vain he was chief of the KGB.GWB, before being elected president, was nothing.GWB did earn no merits to access the presidency, if the talk is about professional and personal merits/capabilities.In the USA it seems everybody can run for president if they get enough money for the campaign.Ok, Putin is no angel, he "only" kills former secret spies and journalist who cover the excesses in Chechenia.That is a mere dot compared to the mass killings GWB has ordered in the middle east. Something's wrong in the USA, with it's prehistoric constitution and the excess of power it grants to the president. If the idiot GWB is going to be the main instigator/precipitator of WWWIII, i think it will be his succesor who will ignite the fire.He will have the road nicely paved. And we should not forget what the personal profile of the next russian president will be, who will be elected/designated March 2008. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1108 Registered: 02-2000 |
"Something's wrong in the USA, with it's prehistoric constitution and the excess of power it grants to the president." Constitution, heck they haven't followed that for the last 80 years. My Website | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 195 Registered: 04-2006 |
Sorry but i have to add another political rant. Australia's prime minister criticizes US senator presidential candidate Barack Obama for his plans of early withdraw from iraq early 2008!!! Is this Howard so mean and so evil? Dyson and fellow aussies if you want to add some lines about your prime minister please do it. But just say with that speech Howard is showing a true fascist face.His comments could not take place anywhere else than in Murdoch's Fox Nothing Channel. | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello, Here’s a counter-point to the FIGU article by Tibor Unger (who is he?). Why Iran's oil bourse can't break the buck http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Geopolitics/Iran_Oil_Bourse/iran_oil_bourse.html And this author is no BushTeam cheerleader. No translation required. Excerpt: Since 1979 the US power establishment, from Wall Street to Washington, has maintained the status of the dollar as unchallenged global reserve currency. That role, however, is not a purely economic one. Reserve-currency status is an adjunct of global power, of the US determination to dominate other nations and the global economic process. The United States didn't get reserve-currency status by a democratic vote of world central banks, nor did the British Empire in the 19th century. They fought wars for it. For that reason, the status of the dollar as reserve currency depends on the status of the United States as the world's unchallenged military superpower. In a sense, since August 1971 the dollar is no longer backed by gold. Instead, it is backed by F-16s and Abrams battle tanks, operating in some 130 US bases around the world, defending liberty and the dollar. Since the shocks of September 11, 2001, and the ensuing declaration of a US "global war on terror", including a unilateral decision to ignore the United Nations and the community of nations and go to war against a defenseless Iraq, few countries have even dared to challenge dollar hegemony. The combined defense spending of all nations of the EU today pales by comparison with the total of current US budgeted and unbudgeted military spending. US defense outlays will reach an official, staggering level of US$663 billion in the 2007 fiscal year. The combined annual EU spending amounts to a mere $75 billion, and is tending to decline, in part because of ECB Maastricht deficit pressures on its governments. So today, at least for the present, there are no signs of Japanese, EU or other dollar holders engaging in dollar-asset liquidation. Even China, unhappy as it is with Washington's bully politics, seems reluctant to rouse the American dragon to fury. Peace to all. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 222 Registered: 06-2005 |
I have no respect for people who are Cowards and ignorant followers and opportunists. It seems to me that Howard has been groomed for decades for his job and probably is no different from Bush's Masonic principled actions. He is two faced and makes people believe with the help of the media that the fiscal economic growth is sustainable thus further polution and refuses to talk about reality. Sadly I must conclude that the people of this country are completely naive and thus stupid. Once I thought that the majority of the people are an intellegent lot, but sadly american influence has reached their subconsciousness and they are no different in their social values all through to economic trends. Still I am sure that Dyson will say that there are some who still care, it's just that I don't know where they are or who they are. I often wonder why is it that nobody has set up a website based on truly patriotic Australian values in this country? is everybody that scared to voice their grievensses? yet hypocritically they say that australia is a 'fair country'. I use to write to the papers and the ABC and put forward my honest opinions until I realized that it was counter productive and then when I heard my own words being repeated on certain ABC shows, I decided to stop.At least I know that people have read what I wrote and passed it on to those I was complaining about. I have this feeling that my last letter to the AGE maybe helped awaken the debate about David Hicks, it wasn't my only one but this last one was really stern and bold and honest. I wrote a strong letter and asked the leaders how would they feel if it was their son sitting behind bars? knowing full well that in actuality it wouldn't have been allowed to happen in the first place. And now I wonder who is behind Kevin Rudd, although I hope that he can create at least some changes?! | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 503 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Melli, You're right of course, I say there are some who still care. You wrote, "I often wonder why is it that nobody has set up a website based on truly patriotic Australian values in this country? is everybody that scared to voice their grievensses?" Not everybody. Try www.gaiaguys.net/oz.htm Onya! Dyson | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello, For anyone interested, here is the original article published in Figu Bulletin 57. It appears Tibor Unger (whoever he is) did not properly attribute the author, although he did change the title. Figu might want to add a disclaimer to their online bulletin lest they be an unwitting accomplice to plagiarism. Published on 17 Jan 2006 by Energy Bulletin. http://www.energybulletin.net/12125.html The Proposed Iranian Oil Bourse by Krassimir Petrov I. Economics of Empires A nation-state taxes its own citizens, while an empire taxes other nation-states. The history of empires, from Greek and Roman, to Ottoman and British, teaches that the economic foundation of every single empire is the taxation of other nations. The imperial ability to tax has always rested on a better and stronger economy, and as a consequence, a better and stronger military. One part of the subject taxes went to improve the living standards of the empire; the other part went to strengthen the military dominance necessary to enforce the collection of those taxes. Historically, taxing the subject state has been in various forms—usually gold and silver, where those were considered money, but also slaves, soldiers, crops, cattle, or other agricultural and natural resources, whatever economic goods the empire demanded and the subject-state could deliver. Historically, imperial taxation has always been direct: the subject state handed over the economic goods directly to the empire. For the first time in history, in the twentieth century, America was able to tax the world indirectly, through inflation. It did not enforce the direct payment of taxes like all of its predecessor empires did, but distributed instead its own fiat currency, the U.S. Dollar, to other nations in exchange for goods with the intended consequence of inflating and devaluing those dollars and paying back later each dollar with less economic goods—the difference capturing the U.S. imperial tax. Here is how this happened. Early in the 20th century, the U.S. economy began to dominate the world economy. The U.S. dollar was tied to gold, so that the value of the dollar neither increased, nor decreased, but remained the same amount of gold. The Great Depression, with its preceding inflation from 1921 to 1929 and its subsequent ballooning government deficits, had substantially increased the amount of currency in circulation, and thus rendered the backing of U.S. dollars by gold impossible. This led Roosevelt to decouple the dollar from gold in 1932. Up to this point, the U.S. may have well dominated the world economy, but from an economic point of view, it was not an empire. The fixed value of the dollar did not allow the Americans to extract economic benefits from other countries by supplying them with dollars convertible to gold. Economically, the American Empire was born with Bretton Woods in 1945. The U.S. dollar was not fully convertible to gold, but was made convertible to gold only to foreign governments. This established the dollar as the reserve currency of the world. It was possible, because during WWII, the United States had supplied its allies with provisions, demanding gold as payment, thus accumulating significant portion of the world’s gold. An Empire would not have been possible if, following the Bretton Woods arrangement, the dollar supply was kept limited and within the availability of gold, so as to fully exchange back dollars for gold. However, the guns-and-butter policy of the 1960’s was an imperial one: the dollar supply was relentlessly increased to finance Vietnam and LBJ’s Great Society. Most of those dollars were handed over to foreigners in exchange for economic goods, without the prospect of buying them back at the same value. The increase in dollar holdings of foreigners via persistent U.S. trade deficits was tantamount to a tax—the classical inflation tax that a country imposes on its own citizens, this time around an inflation tax that U.S. imposed on rest of the world. When in 1970-1971 foreigners demanded payment for their dollars in gold, The U.S. Government defaulted on its payment on August 15, 1971. While the popular spin told the story of “severing the link between the dollar and gold”, in reality the denial to pay back in gold was an act of bankruptcy by the U.S. Government. Essentially, the U.S. declared itself an Empire. It had extracted an enormous amount of economic goods from the rest of the world, with no intention or ability to return those goods, and the world was powerless to respond— the world was taxed and it could not do anything about it. From that point on, to sustain the American Empire and to continue to tax the rest of the world, the United States had to force the world to continue to accept ever-depreciating dollars in exchange for economic goods and to have the world hold more and more of those depreciating dollars. It had to give the world an economic reason to hold them, and that reason was oil. In 1971, as it became clearer and clearer that the U.S Government would not be able to buy back its dollars in gold, it made in 1972-73 an iron-clad arrangement with Saudi Arabia to support the power of the House of Saud in exchange for accepting only U.S. dollars for its oil. The rest of OPEC was to follow suit and also accept only dollars. Because the world had to buy oil from the Arab oil countries, it had the reason to hold dollars as payment for oil. Because the world needed ever increasing quantities of oil at ever increasing oil prices, the world’s demand for dollars could only increase. Even though dollars could no longer be exchanged for gold, they were now exchangeable for oil. The economic essence of this arrangement was that the dollar was now backed by oil. As long as that was the case, the world had to accumulate increasing amounts of dollars, because they needed those dollars to buy oil. As long as the dollar was the only acceptable payment for oil, its dominance in the world was assured, and the American Empire could continue to tax the rest of the world. If, for any reason, the dollar lost its oil backing, the American Empire would cease to exist. Thus, Imperial survival dictated that oil be sold only for dollars. It also dictated that oil reserves were spread around various sovereign states that weren’t strong enough, politically or militarily, to demand payment for oil in something else. If someone demanded a different payment, he had to be convinced, either by political pressure or military means, to change his mind. The man that actually did demand Euro for his oil was Saddam Hussein in 2000. At first, his demand was met with ridicule, later with neglect, but as it became clearer that he meant business, political pressure was exerted to change his mind. When other countries, like Iran, wanted payment in other currencies, most notably Euro and Yen, the danger to the dollar was clear and present, and a punitive action was in order. Bush’s Shock-and-Awe in Iraq was not about Saddam’s nuclear capabilities, about defending human rights, about spreading democracy, or even about seizing oil fields; it was about defending the dollar, ergo the American Empire. It was about setting an example that anyone who demanded payment in currencies other than U.S. Dollars would be likewise punished. Many have criticized Bush for staging the war in Iraq in order to seize Iraqi oil fields. However, those critics can’t explain why Bush would want to seize those fields—he could simply print dollars for nothing and use them to get all the oil in the world that he needs. He must have had some other reason to invade Iraq. History teaches that an empire should go to war for one of two reasons: (1) to defend itself or (2) benefit from war; if not, as Paul Kennedy illustrates in his magisterial The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers, a military overstretch will drain its economic resources and precipitate its collapse. Economically speaking, in order for an empire to initiate and conduct a war, its benefits must outweigh its military and social costs. Benefits from Iraqi oil fields are hardly worth the long-term, multi-year military cost. Instead, Bush must have went into Iraq to defend his Empire. Indeed, this is the case: two months after the United States invaded Iraq, the Oil for Food Program was terminated, the Iraqi Euro accounts were switched back to dollars, and oil was sold once again only for U.S. dollars. No longer could the world buy oil from Iraq with Euro. Global dollar supremacy was once again restored. Bush descended victoriously from a fighter jet and declared the mission accomplished—he had successfully defended the U.S. dollar, and thus the American Empire. II. Iranian Oil Bourse The Iranian government has finally developed the ultimate “nuclear” weapon that can swiftly destroy the financial system underpinning the American Empire. That weapon is the Iranian Oil Bourse slated to open in March 2006. It will be based on a euro-oil-trading mechanism that naturally implies payment for oil in Euro. In economic terms, this represents a much greater threat to the hegemony of the dollar than Saddam’s, because it will allow anyone willing either to buy or to sell oil for Euro to transact on the exchange, thus circumventing the U.S. dollar altogether. If so, then it is likely that almost everyone will eagerly adopt this euro oil system: • The Europeans will not have to buy and hold dollars in order to secure their payment for oil, but would instead pay with their own currencies. The adoption of the euro for oil transactions will provide the European currency with a reserve status that will benefit the European at the expense of the Americans. • The Chinese and the Japanese will be especially eager to adopt the new exchange, because it will allow them to drastically lower their enormous dollar reserves and diversify with Euros, thus protecting themselves against the depreciation of the dollar. One portion of their dollars they will still want to hold onto; a second portion of their dollar holdings they may decide to dump outright; a third portion of their dollars they will decide to use up for future payments without replenishing those dollar holdings, but building up instead their euro reserves. • The Russians have inherent economic interest in adopting the Euro – the bulk of their trade is with European countries, with oil-exporting countries, with China, and with Japan. Adoption of the Euro will immediately take care of the first two blocs, and will over time facilitate trade with China and Japan. Also, the Russians seemingly detest holding depreciating dollars, for they have recently found a new religion with gold. Russians have also revived their nationalism, and if embracing the Euro will stab the Americans, they will gladly do it and smugly watch the Americans bleed. • The Arab oil-exporting countries will eagerly adopt the Euro as a means of diversifying against rising mountains of depreciating dollars. Just like the Russians, their trade is mostly with European countries, and therefore will prefer the European currency both for its stability and for avoiding currency risk, not to mention their jihad against the Infidel Enemy. Only the British will find themselves between a rock and a hard place. They have had a strategic partnership with the U.S. forever, but have also had their natural pull from Europe. So far, they have had many reasons to stick with the winner. However, when they see their century-old partner falling, will they firmly stand behind him or will they deliver the coup de grace? Still, we should not forget that currently the two leading oil exchanges are the New York’s NYMEX and the London’s International Petroleum Exchange (IPE), even though both of them are effectively owned by the Americans. It seems more likely that the British will have to go down with the sinking ship, for otherwise they will be shooting themselves in the foot by hurting their own London IPE interests. It is here noteworthy that for all the rhetoric about the reasons for the surviving British Pound, the British most likely did not adopt the Euro namely because the Americans must have pressured them not to: otherwise the London IPE would have had to switch to Euros, thus mortally wounding the dollar and their strategic partner. At any rate, no matter what the British decide, should the Iranian Oil Bourse accelerate, the interests that matter—those of Europeans, Chinese, Japanese, Russians, and Arabs—will eagerly adopt the Euro, thus sealing the fate of the dollar. Americans cannot allow this to happen, and if necessary, will use a vast array of strategies to halt or hobble the operation’s exchange: • Sabotaging the Exchange—this could be a computer virus, network, communications, or server attack, various server security breaches, or a 9-11-type attack on main and backup facilities. • Coup d’état—this is by far the best long-term strategy available to the Americans. • Negotiating Acceptable Terms & Limitations—this is another excellent solution to the Americans. Of course, a government coup is clearly the preferred strategy, for it will ensure that the exchange does not operate at all and does not threaten American interests. However, if an attempted sabotage or coup d’etat fails, then negotiation is clearly the second-best available option. • Joint U.N. War Resolution—this will be, no doubt, hard to secure given the interests of all other member-states of the Security Council. Feverish rhetoric about Iranians developing nuclear weapons undoubtedly serves to prepare this course of action. • Unilateral Nuclear Strike—this is a terrible strategic choice for all the reasons associated with the next strategy, the Unilateral Total War. The Americans will likely use Israel to do their dirty nuclear job. • Unilateral Total War—this is obviously the worst strategic choice. First, the U.S. military resources have been already depleted with two wars. Secondly, the Americans will further alienate other powerful nations. Third, major dollar-holding countries may decide to quietly retaliate by dumping their own mountains of dollars, thus preventing the U.S. from further financing its militant ambitions. Finally, Iran has strategic alliances with other powerful nations that may trigger their involvement in war; Iran reputedly has such alliance with China, India, and Russia, known as the Shanghai Cooperative Group, a.k.a. Shanghai Coop and a separate pact with Syria. Whatever the strategic choice, from a purely economic point of view, should the Iranian Oil Bourse gain momentum, it will be eagerly embraced by major economic powers and will precipitate the demise of the dollar. The collapsing dollar will dramatically accelerate U.S. inflation and will pressure upward U.S. long-term interest rates. At this point, the Fed will find itself between Scylla and Charybdis—between deflation and hyperinflation—it will be forced fast either to take its “classical medicine” by deflating, whereby it raises interest rates, thus inducing a major economic depression, a collapse in real estate, and an implosion in bond, stock, and derivative markets, with a total financial collapse, or alternatively, to take the Weimar way out by inflating, whereby it pegs the long-bond yield, raises the Helicopters and drowns the financial system in liquidity, bailing out numerous LTCMs and hyperinflating the economy. The Austrian theory of money, credit, and business cycles teaches us that there is no in-between Scylla and Charybdis. Sooner or later, the monetary system must swing one way or the other, forcing the Fed to make its choice. No doubt, Commander-in-Chief Ben Bernanke, a renowned scholar of the Great Depression and an adept Black Hawk pilot, will choose inflation. Helicopter Ben, oblivious to Rothbard’s America’s Great Depression, has nonetheless mastered the lessons of the Great Depression and the annihilating power of deflations. The Maestro has taught him the panacea of every single financial problem—to inflate, come hell or high water. He has even taught the Japanese his own ingenious unconventional ways to battle the deflationary liquidity trap. Like his mentor, he has dreamed of battling a Kondratieff Winter. To avoid deflation, he will resort to the printing presses; he will recall all helicopters from the 800 overseas U.S. military bases; and, if necessary, he will monetize everything in sight. His ultimate accomplishment will be the hyperinflationary destruction of the American currency and from its ashes will rise the next reserve currency of the world—that barbarous relic called gold. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 06-2006 |
Just in regards to the recent discussion about the film "V for Vendetta" in this section. I noticed an interesting bit of symbolism that was done in one of the key parts in that film. In the scene below, "V" has just met Natalie Portman in a backstreet and is informing her about all the corruption of the present government and of a vendetta he has for it. And that poster on the wall behind V is one of the many advertisements from this corrupt government telling (dictating) to all its people's how they should all be totally standing behind and blindly supporting its Government decisions, laws and actions its makes based on faith. Then "V" turns around and slashes a V shaped tear on the poster. The symbol I am referring to is the symbol at the bottom of the government poster.  It is the same symbol used by the new Knights Templar  http://www.knightstemplar.org/ | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 521 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, In reply to a question about free energy devices, Billy just wrote, "You cannot expect the free energy to emerge for quite some time." I think its worth remembering that the operative word here is "emerge", since free energy (overunity devices) is already here. As a matter a fact, I just cut the long grass around our house for about 6 hours for free using the sun's free energy (photovoltaic panels on the roof) and then had a free hot shower (solar water heater & solar-electric pump). This laptop I'm typing on runs off free energy too, as does our entire web-construction and all the rest of the house. But the really interesting stuff (QZP) is not JUST on the Black Shelves, and it will "emerge" into widespread use as soon as it is seen as real, and there is enough common will to have it. Please see www.gaiaguys.net/Minato.htm & www.cheniere.org Salome, Dyson | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 223 Registered: 03-2003 |
I strongly recommend everyone watch this video if you have not seen it already. The air car. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4 | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 422 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Dyson and fellow members It's nice to be back after some self imposed exile to the halls of spiritual records for some much needed refresher this mortal brain cannot contain all in its small vassal. Anyway Dyson your infatigable sustained optimism for a better tomorrow is shared by others around you even if we cannot see around the next corner, at least if we try to shape some of it, it can just be possible. I was actually surprised by Billy's answer because it was a tacit acknowledgement that indeed the free zero point energy system does exist in the hands of the ultra secret quasi transnational conglomerates although it won't be rolling off the assembly line all too soon in the immediate future nor will they admit to having these devices nor the existence of themselves. It'll be very interesting to see what Billy's thoughts are regarding the present development of terrestrial craft technology now considering that if I remember correctly the year 1995 was when Ptaah last spoke about it's status. Seeing as it's nearly 60 years since the Roswell incident, the back engineering of the zeti reticuli bio organic grey's craft, would have made immense head ways on it's progress. Maybe now the terrestrial craft may just be able to use zero point energy to propel itself using beam technology. This would mean they can traverse outer space and maybe to the moon. Stretching the long bow aside, there is no mention by the plejarens that they themselves have not used androids to contact terrestrials nor used electro magnetic telenotic devices to make it appear that some people had contact with them. There is just no end to mountainous claims to this day of people claiming to have had contact with ETs. Aside from schizophrenic psychotic delusions, conscious lies, fraud, prank, secret government sponsored abductions, earth's own electro magnetic disturbances and so on, the rules of plejaren engagement and fine loopholes around Creative laws we aren't aware of does allude to the possibility that indeed some people did have contact even if the official plejaren line is that just 8 different personalities had face to face contact with them in the last century. Also another thing, there is no mention of Gizeh intelligence's female involvement. Where were they when succession issues surfaced. It's always about bad boys being naughty. Henn to jahova to jehav to whoever belonged in this company had to have to been born out of a womb somewhere. The issue is how could the 2000 odd neo nazi and gizeh intelligence collaboration not have avenues of siring the next generation unless they were sterilized when they were banished to a far away planet. This would then lead to the question of whether there exists any remnants of gizeh intelligences back in beta centauri during the years that they were banished, who for some reason didn't make their way to earth with the rest but still harbour old grudges to one day return to earth and take up arms. The plejarens did warn us to be careful of malicious ETs. For how long we will receive the plejaren and Co's protection is not clear. The spin doctors are at it again regarding Iran. Just on SBS, a one sided documentary from the point of view of Israel was shown actually demonising Iran's president and ripping to shreds and twisting out of context his words in favour of Israel's need for a pre-emptive attack on the Iran's nuclear facilities giving the impression that they are left by the western nations to do the dirty work of an air strike just as they had done to Iraq's nuclear facilities back in the 80's. So I gather it's as good as a done deal that there will definitely be a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities soon. Matt | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 226 Registered: 04-2003 |
I was actually surprised by Billy's answer because it was a tacit acknowledgement that indeed the free zero point energy system does exist in the hands of the ultra secret quasi transnational conglomerates although it won't be rolling off the assembly line all too soon in the immediate future nor will they admit to having these devices nor the existence of themselves. How so? | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 231 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hi Matt, Welcome back, did you practice the 12 Affirmations? I raise my hand and swear that they infact are helping me! I try very hard not to skip even one day. I wanted to ask, Why do you pressume that the Plejarens have indeed made contact with terrestrials via telenotic devices? I have often wondered about that, HHmmmmm ?!?!?! | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 430 Registered: 07-2005 |
Melli, the natural progression of added knowledge is new insight and recognition as we all know and the word 'revision' cannot ring anymore truer today as it was many epoches ago and as part and parcel of a fraction of the Creative laws applicable everywhere you look. This is starkly apparent at a macro level as well as micro level in all sphere of human endeavours expressed from him/herself through his/her consciousness. We don't have to look very far to see this. If we think about our progression of knowledge about the facts pertaining to the Plejaren's activities on earth through the information obtained from the dialogues Billy had with them, we would see that our awareness of it grew the more we informed ourselves of it and if you happen to draw a long straight line and put a modest dot around the start of the line as representing our present level of knowledge then that is the extent of our awareness at this point in time. So if for example we encounter a question by a fellow forum member here who is just starting out and displayed their innocent ignorance to which we already know the answers to, then we can see in them the way we use to be. So any objections although legitimate from their vantage point is merely based on lack of knowledge which will definitely change as further knowledge is obtained. So in getting back, the amount of facts which have been presented to us at this particular time is just enough for our level of maturity, no more no less. The facts surrounding the mystery of the lessons hidden beneath, word for word, what Ptaah said about the contactees are worded as such that the onus is back on us to figure this jigsaw puzzle out. There is a lot that they haven't mentioned and the way they mentioned might seem contradictory to some, sometime running rings around our level of credulity but it does point to a direction whereby the void left behind from the big unsolved question mark left hanging over our head is in fact the impetus elicited to the eventual answers which may be forthcoming as we attempt to mix and match, test and re gauge until we can ascertain with some level of confidence that it's logically sound. So on this basis alone, I cannot rule out the use of androids and telenotic devices by the Plejarens to get some of their mission accomplished. If the Gizeh intelligences could do it, why not the plejarens, although their level of ethics and morality is as wide as the heaven and earth. It comes back down to what is permissible within the confines of Creative law. An example would be 'Do not kill in depravity' Now what if say, the Bush administration as they have already done have placed his own citizens at perilous danger through the implementation of psychotic foreign policies that is Creating hatred for the US. Although the danger is not acute to every citizen, doesn't this give legitimate grounds for his citizens to defend themselves from their own leader and if so happens that one of the citizens does the unthinkable, would that not constitute a legitimate act of self defense that is within the grounds of the Creative natural laws and commandments. So the laws are definitely flexible and bound to be subjected to interpretation within the confines of logicality and whole array of other laws combined. ps. thanks for the suggestion Melli, I haven't put my heart to the 12 affirmations yet as I am busy memorising the spiritual lesson off by heart so that I don't have to go back and re-read it but instead keep it closer to my heart. cheers Matt | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 431 Registered: 07-2005 |
Jo Jo you asked How So My answer is because I am allowing myself to think. You just have to learn to fill in the missing pieces man. cheers Matt | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 234 Registered: 06-2005 |
How do you mean memorizing the spiritual lessons? I am looking at Contact number 10 and Semjase's 271 verses, and other explanations by Jacob, what are you reading and is it only in German? do share please! | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 435 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Melli The materials are all here Melli along with translations from gaiaguys and figu books etc. What I meant by memorising the lessons off by heart was to store it in my brain, as coming from experience, no matter how many times I read, the limits of my brain capacity won't allow me to remember every line and every word of what I have read thus if I was going to spend many years re-reading an article or a book over and over again, for example its better that I spend that extra weeks memorising every word of every sentence of every paragraph of every page so that I can recall it from the top of my head as needed. cheers Melli regards Matt | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1095 Registered: 12-1999 |
Please let's get back to the topic | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 437 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Forum members It's plainly clear Kevin Rudd has made it undeniable fact that you only have look at him to realise the worst of what pollies represents, there are far worse of course like ex-WA premier Burke, the god father of the west. Peter costello got it right when he accused Rudd of meeting Burke on 3 occasions for leadership ambitions. This has come at a very bad time for Rudd leading up the next election which this episode will be firmly ingrained in the minds of the Australian voters come the time to cast the ballot. This opportune downfall is an opportune gain for the liberal coalition, they will win the next election and John Howard will become the longest serving prime minister in Australia with the backing of his elite Freemasons support along with the backing of the US oligarchs abroad. Shaking hands with the devil pays very handsomely. In politics you can't avoid it, as soon as you enter the stew, you become the lot. cheers Matt | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 452 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum members Well I hope in the light of the recent translation, many more institutions, be they the secret service, environmental lobby, the scientific community, governmental departments and groups participate regularly in informing themselves from this website and others. Even if they are done in majority of cases, anonymously, the end result is what matters. I hope these people's perspectives grows far and wide for them to contemplate that there is nothing done here on earth by individuals nor by a massive group that has no bearing or consequences both short and long term on every other persons living and breathing alongside them, existing whilst they exist and being whilst they are. I hope that their seeing expands wide enough to encompass the reality that no place here on earth is separated, it is only in the mind that borders separating one nation from other nations exists, that distinctions between one race to another exists that emphasises their uniqueness in belonging to a special group, whether they be religious, racial, skin colour, gender, class, institutional in kind etc I hope they think about this carefully that the origin of the human race is from the same source, the same primordial soup and that prejudices and discrimination are self servingly created inside the mind of those not yet in touch with this truth. I hope they go away and think about all the lip services that they've paid to human's being one as all and no different to any others whilst they were cringing at the sight of a black person, a homeless person or a minority group dressed shabbily looking indecent and remembering the revulsion that came over them. I fervently hope that they can reunite with the self long forgotten by the sheer materialistic weight of conditions of life, to get in touch with the true values of life within themselves and bring themselves to reason that without the highest regard for their fellow human beings, for the noblest of goals and best of intentions, the dungeons of selfishness, self centredness, self interestedness, self absorbtion, egoism and magalomania will only grow within themselves and imprison them to damnation. I hope the future policies of various governments who are keeping abreast of the information from this website truly reflect the honourable goals, aspiring to do good for the other in the end and not just for the miserly self. Matt | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 545 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Matt, (Sorry Scott!) From: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/3609.html?1173354073#POST25814 You ask: “how do you distinguish a jewish women from an arab or middle eastern appearing persons although most jewish people are white.” I don’t know how it’s done, but presumably these foul people get the information they use somehow. There is a lot of organized evil at the grass-roots level, so there are already local networks in place all over the planet for would-be informers. ”Maybe they have a master record or a consensus list.” Presumably - but it would be a consensus among the criminals, not anything to do with the grievous bodily harm they inflict on their innocent victims being in any way consensual. This is one of the many pieces of hidden (from the public) information about the secret goings-on of the NAZI control group which I’ve yet to find time to translate. Maybe soon. Salome, Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 460 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hello Dyson and fellow forum members Dyson it'll be very interesting to know what is in the translations. It appears that the NAZI movement is still very active and thriving behind the scene. There was a documentary on SBS early last year about the English journalist documenting his infiltration of a racist group not all that different to the neo Nazis. They were a very racist lot against the Asians and immigrants in general who they refer to as pakis. Anyway on our side of the border, there is a massive political carnage going on left right and centre where many heads are rolling. The latest casualty is the Labour shadow attorney general Thomson who gave a glowing reference to a crime figure Mokbel who is on the run. Is there a witchhunt going on or a war of attrition between both parties. It's unrelenting madness tooth and nail Maybe it'll be better for the Australian society as a result of this mutual destruction. Maybe it's a sign of a better things to come as the pustule has burst open being attended to with much needed antiseptic to cleanse the rot. The pollies cannot maintain the double standards and lead a life of contradiction for too long They should be the moral and ethical guardians on which their offices are entrusted of the powers by the people to responsibly and justly maintain. Instead you got morally corrupt imbecilic old infants with stiff necks putting all manners of front for the cameras, blabbering gibberish in the most hyenous of languages giving people the runaround as they are train to do. Such is the degenerate epitome of an institution with so much vested powers with people who cannot live up to the responsibilities they are expected to or more rightly should live up to. cheers Matt | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 463 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear members I mean how stumped would those people from UN be upon reading the recent translations The realization that they were actually being monitored by higher powers. That they have no control as to when or how they are being monitored. That they could be monitored 24/7 without them realising it. That anyone in this world at any time no matter how powerful could be monitored and are being monitored by the extraterrestrials. That there is no defense of any terrestrial kind that can thwart the extraterrestrials monitoring them. That there is no such a thing as a secret unknowable to these unfathomably highly developed extraterrestrial people. That puts the terrestrial monitors in the receiving end of being monitored. Which in the end is a testament to how genuine and truthful Billy is and what he said all along is the truth. That the contacts since 1942 continues to this very day. That now the greatest moral dilemma faced by these UN officials or employees is how brave enough can they be to do the only thing worthy of a human being to disclose and make public all the assessment work done that legitimizes the Billy Meier contact with ETs as unequivocally true. Only time will tell but will they? cheers Matt | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 245 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hi Dyson, I am intrigued but don't want to speculate or let my mind run away with my imagination because I am not sure what you mean by this sentence, can you please alaborate? thanks I don’t know how it’s done, but presumably these foul people get the information they use somehow. There is a lot of organized evil at the grass-roots level, so there are already local networks in place all over the planet for would-be informers. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 554 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Melli, Here's a quote from "THE BROTHERHOOD- The Secret World of Freemasons" by Stephen Knight, which is featured in a little article (www.gaiaguys.net/freemasonsummary.htm)Vivienne wrote back in 2003: "Christopher [a very senior civil servant in Whitehall who had responded to an advert placed by Knight] explained that Masonry's nationwide organization of men from most walks of life provided one of the most efficient private intelligence networks imaginable. Private information on anybody in the country could normally be accessed very rapidly through endless permutations of masonic contacts - police, magistrates, solicitors, bank managers, Post Office staff ('very useful in supplying copies of a man's mail'), doctors, government employees, bosses of firms and nationalised industries etc., etc." Of course the individuals within the network generally have no idea why they are providing information to their brothers, since the whole oganisation - like the military, spooks, etc. - works on a "need-to-know" basis. That means that if you do not have a need to know something - reagrdless of your security clearance - you will not be told. This is important, and why the military-industrial complex escaped authoritative oversite a long time ago, as President Eisenhower warned in 1961. "In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together." Please see also: www.gaiaguys.net/kaygriggstalks.htm Salome, Dyson | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 247 Registered: 06-2005 |
Thank you Dyson, I am amazed as to how much you can retain and remember at will from so many outlets be they BEAM's teachings, political and otherwise. I myself am trying to formulate an affirmation that will help me enforce my memory's abilities and instill in my subconscious the necessary tools to help me retain Billy's valuable teaching and of course so many other explantions and info. too. Always grateful but.... Phew!!! Now I rememeber how I felt when I was watching this DVD made by Kay Grigg, I felt so astonished, so disgusted, so dismayed and so pessimistic at the world's future until I realized I shouldn't be giving away my conscious powers and Free Will because learning to see the positive is definately far more liberating. And so on this note knowing all that I know now and understand the intricacies and malicious actions supported by what Ptaah told Billy about microsoft eroding all privacy on private computers I am signing off as me, Bianca | ||
Robert_p New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2007 |
I would encourage everybody to see Why We Fight - A Film By Eugene Jarecki. Eugene Jarecki's film about the anatomy of the American war machine, combining personal stories with commentary by military and political insiders. www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/  | ||
The_future New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2007 |
Why is Kay Griggs still alive? I mean, if her story is true, and she's exposing some of the most highly-trained, lethal killers alive, why wouldn't they snuff her out in a New York minute? Think about it. She, herself, could be an MKUltra project, brainwashed, and not even aware of it. And with her story falling right into the laps of a religious man and a former senior member of the White House press corps. And now shes' selling her story at her website. Something's not making sense. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 588 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear The, You write, “Something's not making sense.” Things start making sense only when enough information comes to hand to make sense of them. In this case, most of the information is still in German, but enough of it has been translated for a serious student to learn about the monstrous and elemental power of truth. Why am I still alive? Have you seem MY website? www.gaiaguys.net (And we sell nothing.) "She, (Kay Griggs) herself, could be an MKUltra project, brainwashed, and not even aware of it." You could be too. So could I. Maybe Billy Meier is. Maybe we've all been mind-controlled? Mr “Future”. I don’t know who you are. Why the secrecy? Why your interest in what the Plejaren Federation knows about the CIA? All kidding aside, back to your question, “Why is she still alive.” It deals with the power of truth, and quantum unified field theory. Peace in wisdom, Dyson | ||
The_future New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2007 |
Hi Dyson: Then you should be able to use the power of truth and quantum unified field theory to help you win your court battle. Isn't that better than a default judgment? As my poppa always told me, practice what you preach. Go get um. I'm pulling for ya. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 593 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear The, You did not bother to collect adequate information for you to understand that this Victorian (state) tribunal does not have any legal power over New South Wales (state) citizens, and we do live in the state of Victoria, we live in the state of New South Wales. We do not even have to "Go get um." We do not attend these various thousand-mile away kangaroo courts and Masonic show-trials, and they are primarily designed to move hundreds of thousands of dollars out of taxpayers' and willing victims' wallets and into the pockets of various organized criminal Freemason/satanists. Our most recent court (non)appearance in Canberra was “stood over generally” (discontinued) without explanation. (Let me guess.) The first one in 2005 never collected it’s blood money off of us, and the Freemason magistrate who found against us to the tune of two years income in that farce never replied to our challenging his defamation challenge to us about this: www.gaiaguys.net/OTO.burns.htm last November You say, "I'm pulling for ya." Not required, thanks, The. But by all means keep pulling. ;-) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 597 Registered: 03-2004 |
(correction) When I typed "we do live in the state of Victoria", I meant to type, "we do NOT live in the state of Victoria" Sorry! | ||
Robert_p New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2007 |
Comparing World War 2 and World War 3 From 1933-1939, Hitler steadily, gradually, changed law after law, rule after rule, and definition after definition, so he could impose his internal dictatorship; however, he took such tiny steps over this period of time that he did not raise the ire of his opposition. Only after he had legalized every act he wanted to carry out did he begin his world war and his internal genocide. Our leaders are following exactly the same script today. They are carefully setting every paperwork change in place while taking care to not enact any of these new powers now, thus lulling most citizens to sleep, thinking these new powers will never be enacted.  To see a comparison of the events that led up to WW2, and recent events (WTC) Sept 11, 2001 to set the stage for WW3. Look here: http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-2/ww2-ww3-compared.htm The main site has many links to informative information. "When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic." -- Dresden James "Men think in herds, go mad in herds, but recover their senses one by one." -- Charles Mackay | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 670 Registered: 03-2004 |
"The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves." (another one worth sharing from Dresden James) Salome, Dyson | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 07-2006 |
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Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 671 Registered: 03-2004 |
WOW! All we need is urethras and a Star of David! Is this your work, Jacobus? Very witty! :-) Very apt. They've taken to adding their gold fringe lately, too. Ever see an aerial photo of our Parliament House? Me neither until yesterday. See the goat's head? (top)  And the black altar stone under the central pyramid?  There's one in Washington D.C. too. Such suicidal temerity! ("End Times", eh?) Ever see the new Israeli Supreme Court building? Salome, Dyson | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 07-2006 |
(Forgot to add)Israeli Supreme Court building? Nope, not seen it yet. But I have seen the pentagram street design, the one in D.C. right? for some reason my google earth is not functioning, otherwise I would have posted it And here is something, done by someone from the internet.  | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 673 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Jacobus, What can I say? Obviously you have a good understanding of the situation! Since these religious people actually practise self-harm as part of their devotions to their god(s), bear in mind that making them unhappy only makes them happy. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 07-2006 |
O.K, O. K, so it wasn't one of the most uplifting works I have done so far, (rather relieved it's been removed). But the fact still stands, Australia(like most countries) is a surprisingly messed up place that I guess, people tend to overlook. Cheers Jacobus | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 682 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, For those of you dying of curiosity about Jacobus's wittily obscene contribution to adult political satire, which should never have been allowed here in the first place, I've put it on our site, (as yet, unlinked), but be warned, it is a much more graphic rendition of the embroidered logo that the (tax exempt) OTO openly sells to their loyal customers/devotees. See: www.gaiaguys.net/oto.patches1.jpg Here it is: www.gaiaguys.net/OTO_logo_to_scale.jpg But in spite of the OTO’s (Eastern Templar Freemasons') resolute insistence to the contrary*, it is NOT FOR CHILDREN! Salome, Dyson * “Moreover, the Beast 666 adviseth that all children shall be accustomed from infancy to witness every type of sexual act, as also the process of birth, lest falsehood fog, and mystery stupefy, their minds, whose error else might thwart and misdirect the growth of their subconscious system of soul-symbolism.” http://www.gaiaguys.net/aus.childabuse2006.htm | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 04-2006 |
Many will crucify me for saying this, but i think the Virginia Tech killings will do, after the initial shock sorrow and grief, a lot of good to american society. The american society is somewhat narcotized when it comes to foreign and domestic violence.They tolerate violence abroad, and these days they have got some of their own medicine. Loss of lives in iraq do not atract the attention of american public, but loss of "american" lives on american soil, man, that is a different scenario. Americans, specially republicans, have to recognize and understand that protection of life is a creational universal law.One cannot distinguish between american,iraqi, israeli or errans.Any living creature's life should be protected.Bush's hypocritical, disgusting "posing " and his hollow, meaningless words during the tribute ceremony show how sad and absurd is that western civilization double standard.Virginians are heroes, iraqis are scum, when confronted to horror,terrorism,massacre. Sure,Arahat Athersata, youre right, the white race has come too far and now it has become the mirror of ancient hebraons, so called "dregs of society".Shame on us, who consider ourselves crown of creation and owners of the whole world. Time to purge our sins.Time to correct our mistaken, misguided, ill driven ways of life.There is hope and wisdom in this forum.But the socalled first world needs an urgent ancient wisdom transfusion now, before it's too late.If it were in my hands to show/teach the ignorant, the unknowing ones...you can take an animal to a well, but you cannot force him to drink.. Saalome, gam naan, ben uurda, gam njjber, asaala hesporoona..... | ||
The_future Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 02-2007 |
Hector, why will this recent mass-killing do any better for America than did the last one at Columbine High School? I asked co-workers about it and they seemed somewhat desensitized. Did you forget we had our 9-11? Business as usual especially with the media overplaying the fear angle. And it certainly didn't take long for people to start flooding the talk-radio programs saying this wouldn't have happened if students were allowed to carry guns on campus. Can you imagine that? We've got a very long way to go indeed. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 230 Registered: 03-2004 |
I won't crucify you Hector but I will disagree. There have already been such rampages throughout the last 3 decades in America and it has changed nothing. People don't even remember them usually. It WOULD be good to shake the people out of their ignorance and complacency, but I fear that this unfortunate loss of lives was for nothing. I sympathize, most of all, with the families and loved ones of the dead, even those of the murderer himself. He obviously had severe problems. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 241 Registered: 07-2004 |
The perpetrator was a object of absolute mind control as there in that part of Virginia happens to be a rather large government compound that has been very complicit in these type of experiments. A headquarters( pun intended ) of such. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 237 Registered: 04-2006 |
This recent massacre is the largest massacre in US mass killings history.The killer was an american but at the same time he was not. People all over the U.S have access to the videos he sent to nbc as his "legacy".Videos in which he claims he acted in the name of Jesus, his "brothers" and "sisters".Portrait of an insane man blaming an alleged insane society.Too much load for simple consciences, who will wonder the "why", and the "how" such crime could take place. The guy and his "legacy" will shake (have shaken) american consciences, thats my personal opinion. The future, yes, the american public, 80% of it does not know the real motives of 911.Many blame the government, others blame alqueda, others blame thermite, others blame iraq....in some sense 911 has been forgotten... the real perpetrator of 911 was a failed US foreign policy, and supporting Israel.Nobody wants to aknowledge that, and you know, who does not learn from history will have to repeat it again. In the end, to lead a "decent" life where you just concentrate on pleasure, happiness and desire an easy life, that is not advisable.You cannot block the negative side of life because it cannot be blocked or erased.It is there and you have to keep it under control. Of course 33 dead people is an ugly thing, but in Iraq and Darfur they have 33x5 dead people, on a daily basis, and nobody in the civilized countries seems to take care. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 731 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear List, For what it's worth, I agree with Shawn. Our rulers are Straussians and the time is starting now for all religion to be discredited, hence the “Jesus” bits in Cho’s rants. Please read up on Zionist pederast Leo Strauss, the ideologue behind the “Whitehouse Crazies”, who asserted that morality is only for us cattle. Bush and his other Christian, sectarian, Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Protestant, Armageddonite, genocidal manics are puppets of the ones chosen as prime agents/victims by the Bafath. You surely don’t think/believe/feel that the below is merely confined to the current fake-ET con? Die in viele kleine Gruppen aufgespaltene Gruppierung verfügt über vielerlei technische Möglichkeiten, die sie für ihre bösen und die Menschheit irreführenden Zwecke nutzen. The group, which is split into many small groups, has many kinds of technical possibilities at their disposal, which they employ for their evil and human-misleading purposes. Das angefangen bei Techniken der Elektromagnetik, über die Feinelektronik und das Computerwesen, bis hin zu Apparaturen, durch die bei den Menschen eine Gehirnwäsche, Bewusstseinsprogrammierung und Bewusstseinsveränderung hervorgerufen wird. That started [in the 1920s] with technologies of electromagnetism to do with precision electronics and computer engineering, up to and including apparatuses through which brainwashing and the programming and altering of consciousness is evoked in humans. ... illusionsmässigen und schizophrenen Visionen und Scheinerlebnissen jener, welche glauben, dass sie reale Erlebnisse dieser Art gehabt hätten oder haben. … illusionary and schizophrenic visions and apparent experiences of those who believe that they have had, or have, these kinds of real experiences. Nur was Angst, Furcht und Schrecken hervorruft sowie Hass und Rache erzeugt, wird von der Gruppierung akzeptiert und weltweit ausgeschlachtet, um damit horrende Gewinne zu erzielen. Only that which evokes angst, fear and terror as well as engenders hate and revenge is accepted by the group and exploited worldwide in order to obtain enormous profit with it. (Excerpt from www.gaiaguys.net/meiersb34.htm) This most recent USA school massacre will not be good for the USA. Those with eyes to see will know why. (I think I may have initially misjudged you Hector.) I lived there for 18 years (grew up in Boston) and, unless everybody has reincarnated since I last visited in 1993, they are now just that much more stupefied and desensitized and that much closer to terminal apathy, exactly as intended by their Bafath puppet criminal overlords. Let's not forget that before Kamagol II, and before Kamagol I led the Giza Intelligences, there was Jehovah the Cruel, the Unjust, the “God of Lies” and the false-god of the Old Testament. And here’s what we’re taught about Kamagol I: 160. Wie kein Herrscher zuvor, zwängte Kamagol 1. alle irdischen Religionen in seinen Bann und schuf furchtbare menschenblutfordernde Kulte, die sich teilweise bis zur heutigen Zeit zu erhalten vermochten. 160. Like no ruler before, Kamagol the First forced all earthly religions into his control and created terrible cults which demanded human blood, which were able to be partially maintained UNTIL THE PRESENT. [My emphasis] (Extract from www.gaiaguys.net/meierv2p406-410,v4p55-58,98-101.htm) The Plejaren have supplied all the required dots now, but they are not allowed to also connect them up for us. It falls to us to make the picture if we are brave enough. (Fear is eliminated through the honoring of Creation. (OM32:555)) Anyone on the Internet with simple reason and some common sense can learn how this is done, as Shawn has. To do otherwise, after all the prophet had warned us about, is the cowardly, freely-chosen, suicidal misery of ignorance. One final point. Please get this straight. These members of the supranational white-collar criminal class are not “dregs” which always, by definition, sink to the bottom, who are represented in our societies by the burgeoning underclass. The supranational white-collar criminal class is “scum” (Abschaum) which always, by definition, rises to the top of things which are kept on the boil. Dregs always sink to the bottom. Scum always rises to the top. Words represent ideas and ideas are the quanta of our thoughts – the movable factors which comprise the equations of our dynamic though-processes. And Billy teaches again and again and again and again that the power of thought is “monstrous”. Words set humans apart from the rest of the animal kingdom. So at least, as a first step, get the words right please. Salome, Dyson | ||
The_future Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 02-2007 |
Shawn, it's kind of hard to debate your argument whether the guy was mind-controlled or not because real proof will never surface. I'm sure the conspiracy-theorists are having a field day with it, but it's all speculation. Hector, you forgot to list one of the real perpetrators of 9-11, radical Islamic fundamentalism. The 3,000 individual people that died on 9-11 had very little to do with a failed US foreign policy and supporting Israel. They didn't deserve to die for their governments sins. But the 19 attackers had a lot to do with radical Islamic fundamentalism. Don't overlook their role. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 244 Registered: 07-2004 |
If you follow closely these kinds of events the details that rarely get repeated over and over( unlike the headlines ) like the fact of his sister who works for the US Gov. Or the fact that the parents were a forced marriage with the father a ten year older successful business man who insisted that they be married, with her fighting the union during the early part of their marriage. This killer wrote stories about sexual abuse to children, murdering step-fathers who were abusing their step-children and other types of emotionally disturbed thoughts. He was a machine when he killed. He learned to methodically move through his killing field without any emotions and killed himself right at the perfect moment. He was a perfectly controlled specimen. Bush immediately began using the event for the benefit of his political activities without any hesitation. Remember how long it took him to respond to the Katrina disaster that could be seen from a week away before it actually happened. When one of their methods are used to motivate the planned agenda you will see zero hesitation. Bush recognizes the blood ceremony and acts accordingly, as any good mind control subject does. In case you didn't read/view this on another post... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7850559484065398098 If you can deny any of this womans accounts you must surely be an incredible thinker, cause I am unable to find where she is not credible. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 544 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Hector Hector you said.. Of course 33 dead people is an ugly thing, but in Iraq and Darfur they have 33x5 dead people, on a daily basis, and nobody in the civilized countries seems to take care. I don't know what is the more pitiful sight, the carnage of dead innocent men, women, children and the elderly blown apart by bombs or the impudent indifference and apathy of the people in developed countries but one issue that keeps popping up is, is there such a thing as an innocent ignorance. To this I gather its not so much that people don't care in as much as they don't know how to care enough to the point where they become active willing participants in the fight against evil by speaking against these atrocities. I am sure deep down many people are genuinely concerned but since they have been party to the indoctrination by the media and have been so desensitised and so ineptly inured by the constant barrage of brainwashing materials that are transffered as societal norm in the way people psychologically react to such atrocities that maybe their defensive mechanism kicks in every time horrendous news such as the Iraq bombing is aired. So in effect we have all learn to block it out and ignore it rather than actively seeking resolutions for them. Never during the course of my life have I felt so unsafe in a supposed one of the safest countries in the world. Not because of the psychological fear induced from apprehension of possible disaster but like in the Tom Cruise movie where a passenger in a train had been dead for almost the entire day on his seat without anybody bothering to tend to him. It is this apathy for which I think you were referring to and I for one had experienced this starkly in my life which i fear even for the others. On one occasion a women p**sed drunk was staggering like a lunatic chucking herself in the middle of the road as I was waiting to cross the road from the other side after work, it was late at night but it happened to be where there was some taxis parked in the rank. I went to her quickly as the cars were approaching, so I jumped out in the middle of the road and stopped whichever cars happened to be coming, fearing that the lady would be run over. I got her up and gathered her things she dropped on the road and got her safely to the walk way. But crikey, not one c**t bothered to get out of his parked car and help the women. Sure the women looked like she had issues as she was crying her eyes out and shouting gibberish because she was that drunk, BUT drunk or no drunk, stupid or not, shabbily dressed or not she was still a human being in need of protection even from herself that night but after it was all said and done I came away feeling so disgusted and that angry my blood boiled. Now as you've gathered this disclosure of mine is not an trite attempt at blowing my own trumpet as any sane minded person would have done the same without blinking an eye but It does starkly point to where we are at in this society of ours where we are calling the people that come to the aid of another human being 'HEROES', My f***ing goodness, even the current affairs program here in Australia sent this interviewer to interview an Englishman who dived in the Sydney harbour to save the victims of the ferry boat disaster and kept enunciating to the interviewee, 'you are a hero so what do you think about that' and on and on. It is a given in my opinion that should not be a recourse for fame, publicity or profit and when all things are said and done, the person should only be satisfied in so much as he has fulfilled his duties as a human being and recede into obscurity back to their normal lives. This disgusting and crasiest form of egoism is peddled unrelentingly and quite unashamedly everywhere we look, every c**t wants to be a hero and shine but what about the rot other people don't get to see inside of these people. So yeah, I sincerely share the sentiment of yours Hector, a human life is valued and priced according to their citizenship, their financial worth, the profession he occupies, the people he knows, their looks, the colour of their skin, how expensive their cloths are, the position within the social strata he happens to occupy by the merit of his profession as well as the company he keeps etc etc etc. This is not intended to offend our fellow american forum members here but in this country of ours and probably elsewhere too, anybody who speaks with an american accent seem to be treated much better than their fellow Australians. Whether you go to a doctor, a restaurant, a cafe, anywhere requiring rendering of service, if you bring an american friend, you know you'll be treated better. It happens subconsciously in the mind of the beholder but the power of indoctrinated perceptions just like racism is also a very powerful factor in the way people perceive other people. They don't say 'Image is everything' for nothing cheers Matt | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 545 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum Seung-Hui Cho Was a Mind Controlled Assassin Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet Thursday, April 19, 2007 We have been receiving numerous calls and e mails alerting us to the fact that VA Tech is pulling links from its website concerning their relationship with the CIA. Reports from November 2005 confirm that the CIA was active in operating recruitment programs based out of VA Tech. Several professors from VA Tech are involved in government programs linked with NASA and other agencies. Wikipedia also pulled a bizarre recently taken photograph of Cho wearing a U.S. Marines uniform. Such details only fan the flames of accusations that Cho could have been a Manchurian Candidate, a mind-controlled assassin. The CIA's program to create mind-controlled assassins that could be triggered by code words, MK ULTRA, is not a conspiracy theory, it's a historical fact documented by declassified government files and Senate hearings. President Bill Clinton himself had to apologize for the program before he left office. On the Senate floor in 1977, Senator Ted Kennedy said, "The Deputy Director of the CIA revealed that over thirty universities and institutions were involved in an 'extensive testing and experimentation' program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens 'at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign." http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/190407mindcontrolled.htm cheers Matt | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 246 Registered: 03-2004 |
I would like to agree with an idea you brought up Matt. It is the fact that people are not helping each other generally, but just looking the other way. It is a disgusting thing to me as well. This applies to people as individuals AND governments. People seem to have lost what is good and correct in themselves when it comes to helping others. I too am disgusted with the situation in the East. I am American yet I am ashamed of my own government. It is vile what is happening in the world today and the government of the US is a large part of what is wrong. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 247 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Thomas, The educational system has slowly removed the need for critical thinking, and as such our coming waves of graduating students are not analyzing life with deep thinking that is needed to clear away much of the peoples thoughts that make them uninvolved in the reality of life's challenges( the big ones we're all facing together). This is all the effects of a greater mind control on society. Besides being over saturated with traumatic events that help us forget the one before the last, we have to start teaching the kids that there's more to learn in the classroom than just what's required to pass the next test. The insane control the Bush Cabal(Bush Sr being the administration real leader for the last 4 Presidential groups) extends into every crevice of our life. If you look at each of the department controllers, a high percentage are the followers of this fascist regime and their stranglehold. You only need to watch them and their policies to see what our next freedom we will lose. It's truly a much smaller group than what you would think would be needed for their plans to become real. We can change things like they did, a slow carefully planned legal movement to replace the elected positions of government. These criminals need to be exposed for their crimes. Collusion from corporate entities is another element that needs to be called out as well. It does seem like it is happening at least to a little extent. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 551 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Thomas Yeah Thomas, often it leaves me in a no man's land not knowing where to start as the gaping crevis has become as wide as the Grand Canyon. As all governments of the world contribute their fair share of the problems, we the citizens can longer fancifully expect any moral leadership from the officials. That dream died long time ago. But its interesting how it filters down to the general society where with the malign help of the mass media of course, some events that shape the nation and the collective mind happens to come from the celluloid hollywood stars, well, at least where it concerns the fertile minds of our youth. Being bogged down in this whole mess of ours and the realisation of it becoming much more pronounced since my take up of Billy's spiritual information affords no respite as too many indicators from the everyday life overwhelmingly reminds me of how much work lies ahead for all of us humanity with most people being blissfully unaware of their social responsibilities adding to the problem. I guess change is a very slow process and bringing into fruition whatever positive changes we were able to effect for whatever its worth. Anyway Thomas in the end we are all in this together so I am glad that another likeminded person such as yourself is making his indelible mark and contributions here and elsewhere. If I could be certain of one thing, its a good thing. cheers Matt | ||
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Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 03-2007 |
Ptaah Was Right - Bush Is A Madman April 25, 2007 -- Senior British civil servant David Keogh, a former communications and cipher officer at Number 10 Downing Street, is on trial at London's Old Bailey, charged with violating the Official Secrets Act for leaking a classified report on an April 2004 meeting between George W. Bush and Tony Blair. The four page report referred to Bush as a "madman." Keough is accused of slipping the report to parliamentary assistant Leo O'Connor, who then allegedly made it available to anti-war MP Anthony Clarke. O'Connor is also on trial for violating the Official Secrets Act. The Blair government accuses Keough of leaking the document to influence the 2004 presidential elections, a clear indication that Blair was interested in seeing Bush defeat his Democratic challenger John Kerry. The trial is shrouded in secrecy, a move seen as an attempt not to embarrass an already-tainted Blair. British government secret memo summation on Bush: "He's a madman." Keough and O'Connor are just the latest victims of the global neo-cons and their Nazi system of purging their enemies. It is a tactic their Trotskyite, Jabotinskyite, and Straussian parents and grandparents learned from the coffee houses and cell meetings in Chicago, New York, Vienna, Berlin, London, Rome, Paris, and Haifa. Source: www.waynemadsenreport.com | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 557 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear fellow Australian forum members We've had the anzac day just the day after yesterday marking the sacrifices Australians made during the wars. Some called it 'the Anzac day celebration', so, are we suppose to celebrate when people get killed in senseless wars. I am in serious doubt about all these ceremonies held every year remembering and honouring the dead and those who have senselessly been victims of the 'bafath' machination. Don't get me wrong, those young man and women who bravely went out in the trenches to fight and kill one another, at least deserves our respects for their well intentioned sacrifices but in the benefit of hindsight, are we better off now because of the sacrifices they've made for their country and freedom which we take for granted or should we instead thank the plejarens for that. It just seems so odd how we celebrate and honour the dead yet don't do the same for the living. I am seeing nowhere near enough veterans, old as they may be, speaking out against the war in Iraq and Afganistan. Have they not learned from their own painful experiences of the futilities of war. To be honoured in death these fickle days, the way you pass out matters every bit, even if fictitious spin is added to it. Yet I wonder how most people would feel about the Anzac day when they get a hold of Billy's information and find out about the 'dreaded bafath'. If history was a great teacher in anything, at least it taught me that people have a tendency to love ceremonies, the bigger the better. Yet ceremonies after ceremonies 'in lest we forget' has not turned anything around for the better. How hypocritical that as the Anzac day celebration was well underway, halfway around the world, people were still at war. Glorifying the dead for the sake of it is useless. The important lessons it teaches us or should teach us should not be lost on the hearts and mind of people who are touched indelibly by the pain of it all, especially when its brought closer to home by a family members who happens to have served in one of these stupid wars. Where does our priorities lay, should we soldier on and let the dying die. Should we remain resigned in diffidence and say 'oh well, as long as I am not among the dead, who cares'. I just dunno, really dunno, the skewed focus and priorities of man, the dissonant voices of the equally confused, the false rhetoric after rhetoric of the equally castrated and the disharmonious scene of hypocrisy all pierces my own sense of right and wrong like a Chinese 1000 torture slits where I am slowly drained of my own blood. So should we sanctimoniously hold national day of remembrance for the war dead the way we do or should we do it more modestly by leaving it up to individuals to pay their homage and respects in their own way. I gather that people have learned the lessons of the futilities of war only in their heads but not where it counts in action. cheers Matt | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 273 Registered: 03-2004 |
The candidate you need to support in 2008 http://www.ronpaul2008.com Thank You, Ron Paul by Sheldon Richman, May 18, 2007 Ron Paul, a Republican congressman running for president, is saying what needs to be said about the 9/11 attacks and the Iraq war. Clearly, his rivals and the news media can’t handle the truth. At the most recent Republican debate Paul not only repeated his opposition to the illegal and unconstitutional war, but he also identified 50 years of U.S. intervention in the Middle East as “a major contributing factor” in al-Qaeda’s attacks in 2001. ”Have you ever read the reasons they attacked us? They attack[ed] us because we’ve been over there; we’ve been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We’ve been in the Middle East,” Paul said. Paul thus becomes the first person in mainstream politics — he’s been in Congress many years — to acknowledge that U.S. foreign policy has had bad consequences not only for people in the Middle East but for Americans at home as well. A government cannot take sides in so many deep-seated conflicts for as long as the U.S. government has without acquiring enemies and provoking retaliation. It doesn’t take much knowledge of history and human nature — not to mention the official 9/11 Commission report — to see this. It’s about time it was said in such a prominent forum. Of course, the reaction was stunningly absurd. FOX News questioner Wendell Goler said in follow-up, “Are you suggesting we invited the 9/11 attack, sir?” Let’s examine the question. To invite something is to desire the thing invited. Paul suggested no such thing. And who is “we”? Goler’s question implies that Paul was saying the American people or “America” invited the attacks. But Paul was talking about American policymakers, not the American people. So the question was way off the mark and may have been an attempt to bait Paul. He wouldn’t take the bait. “I’m suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it,” he said. In other words, the people who masterminded the attack did not say they did it because we Americans are rich or free or non-Muslim. Their grievances relate to systematic U.S. intervention in the region: in particular, the presence of troops near holy sites in Saudi Arabia; a 10-year bombing campaign and killer embargo on Iraq (beginning in 1991), which cost hundreds of thousands of lives; and support for Israel’s occupation of Palestinian lands in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Rudolph Giuliani, also running for the nomination, responded demagogically, “That’s an extraordinary statement, as someone who lived through the attack of September 11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq.... I would ask the congressman to withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn’t really mean that.” Of course, Paul never said “we invited the attack.” And he didn’t back down under Giuliani’s grandstanding: “I believe very sincerely that the CIA is correct when they teach and talk about ‘blowback.’ When we went into Iran in 1953 and installed the shah, yes, there was blowback. A reaction to that was the taking of our hostages and that persists. And if we ignore that, we ignore that at our own risk. If we think that we can do what we want around the world and not incite hatred, then we have a problem.” In saying “blowback,” Paul was using the CIA’s term for the unintended bad consequences of a government operation. He specifically mentioned Iran in 1953, when the Eisenhower administration sent the CIA to help drive an elected secular prime minister from office and return the despotic shah to power. The result was the 1979 Islamic revolution, the seizure of the American embassy, complete with hostages, and close to 30 years of hostility, with war perhaps to come. U.S. imperialist polices in the Middle East have been good for special interests and power-loving politicians, but bad for the American people. Someone in government has finally had the courage to say so. Thank you, Ron Paul. http://www.fff.org/comment/com0705g.asp Hi Hunter, In the future could you just post the link instead of cutting and pasting the article. This would help save space on the server. Thanks Scott-Moderator | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 04-2006 |
I think our past fallen Australian Anzacs should be forgotten about, and instead focus on peace, and on it not happening again. I'm sick of hearing every year about them. | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 09-2002 |
I agree Hunter, Paul is the real deal! This is the first American politician that has told the truth in years. He is on the same page as Billy when it comes to Americans sticking our noses in other countries business. Its amazing how this man has already changed the mindset on this illegal war and future planned wars by the CIA, Military, Politicians. Funny how his message, so simple and logical, can screw up a plan by the crimimal elite and drastically change the countries political picture. Whats scary is that his message is so simple (like Billy's), I'm wondering what is going through peoples minds when they believed Bush all these years. Our voting public must be the dumbest in the world. Mark Gilbo | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 501 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hunter , Mark ; When I read commentary like this one from Ron Paul , it gives me hope . What was going through the minds of the American public when they believed Bush ? Nothing . Air . Paris Hilton , Hollywood divorces and American Idol . That's what they were thinking about . The American conscience is going to have to face a period of painful guilt when it comes to arrogance in terms of world importance ; just having military might and finances ( much less in the $ department now) does not make us more important , but it does make us more responsible for the power held . MC Mark Campbell | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 10-2006 |
Our voting public must be the dumbest in the world. How sadly this is true. But the non-voting public is just as much to blame because they stand back and watch it happen. | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 09-2002 |
Unfortunately the US and its citizens are in a daze. There is nothing more frustrating in life than watching people care more about a stupid reality show than whos running their country. I do like Ron Paul and his stance on personal liberties and non-invervention foreign policy. I hope the American people can wake up from the deep sleep soon enough to realize it. Does Billy or anyone have any ideas on how to wake them up? Mark Gilbo | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 269 Registered: 04-2006 |
The worst moment was when Rudolph Julianna received so many applauses for smearing Ron Paul.That is the moment when you realize that commonly truth anouncers do not receive warm welcomes,and we also can see how that smearing of Ron Paul by the repugnican warmongers has put Ron's name in the press when he was a somewhat unknown politician. Billy says the critics and defamers serve the mission, and in this case critics and defamers have also made a great favor to Ron Paul.He now is well known among both antiwar sides, republican and democrat. Best regards | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1138 Registered: 02-2000 |
Some of those audiences are screened. It will happen more & more as THEY choose who WE get to pick in the end! My Website | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 274 Registered: 03-2004 |
To All, Thanks and I hope you guys will help his candidacy and donate just $25: https://www.ronpaul2008.com/forms/contribute.cfm We need Ron Paul to stay in the race as long as possible because he has the opportunity to reach a lot of people who haven't been exposed to this foreign policy message before. I've heard he may run as an Independent if he loses in the Republican primary. Here's another article you'll enjoy: Why Ron Paul’s Answer Terrifies The Republicans http://www.lewrockwell.com/hornberger/hornberger129.html | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 790 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... I would indeed say that Ron Paul has very much courage to 'stand (on) his ground', against the Bush administration, and opposing all they(Republicans) have done the last decade. Just like many other Republicans, whom wish not even to be associated with the Bush administration: ex staff-chef of Colin Powell, whom opposed the 'fabrication' of the so-called rigs with containers which were supposedly be used in Saddam Hussein's Chemical Warfare - which was nothing more than a pack of LIES! But still, Mr. Powell fed the Media with this Rubbish! And of course, not many digested this fabricated lie. So, it is Positive for a person as Ron Paul to step in the footlight, so to speak, and being the opposite of Mr.Bush and Co. And even, it being the Pinnacle: him being a Republican, also! I think Mr. Bush has really sunk....through the floor! Ron Paul is indeed a - Fresh Breeze - for the Republicans, was well as for America. But he should still, take a 'neutral' stance! He did emphasis too much on the Democrats...when I watched him in an interview, just last week. Saying that the Democrats have had a - hand full - in the wars that USA had mingled in the past. Which is, in it's whole, of course...not true. If he examines the US history a bit more subtle, he may come to conclusion that what he said was just - a slip of the tongue! 'Speaking out of turn', if you will. As far as I know it, the Republicans are still in the majority of producing/ fabricating most of the weaponry in the USA, and which is than distributed through out the world; allies(NATO, Israel...etc...etc), and whom ever has the cash/money to pay for the goods! So, this last mentioned is also an aspect he should focus himself on, before 'falsely' judging the Democrats! Concerning the above mentioned: I am a 'Neutral' human being...when it comes down to this point, I would like to add. Not favoring either the Democrats or the Republicans! Just what makes...'Sense'. Edward. | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 04-2006 |
 Ariel Sharon: "We Control America"... On October 3, 2001, I.A.P. News reported that according to Israel Radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael an acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres. Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and "turn the US against us. "Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying "don't worry about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America." http://www.mediamonitors.net/khodr49.html "I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it." Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. http://christianparty.net/sharon.htm OCCUPIED JERUSALEM -- An acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres during which Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying "don't worry about American pressure, we control America." According the Israeli Hebrew radio Kol Yisrael Wednesday, Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and turn the US against us. At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying "every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." The radio said Peres and other cabinet ministers warned Sharon against saying what he said in public, because "it would cause us a public relations disaster." http://americandefenseleague.com/onaleash.htm Sharon to Peres: "Don't worry about American pressure; we control America" http://www.wrmea.com/html/newsitem_s.htm Sharon's Infamous Comment - "We Control America" http://www.rense.com/general45/sharonsinfamouscomment.htm | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 249 Registered: 04-2003 |
A patently false and ridiculous statement. Check out what Billy says about Israel. They are not significant enough to matter, and the tail certainly is not wagging the dog. More conspiracy-theory nonsense. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1140 Registered: 02-2000 |
Its funny how people here pick & choose what they want to believe when it come to Billy's info. My Website |
