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    Melli Member Post Number: 205 Registered: 06-2005 |
I have the ending but I am searching for the beginning...I read much about jesus christ/666 etc. and I am still missing a link; I would like to understand How and When and by Whom was this name invented? the main reason of Why I do understand. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 715 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Alan...... On your posting: 'Neuroscientists find God in mushrooms'. Will post here, OK. Here is an interesting link to Timothy Leary and his escapades. "Tinker, Tailor, Stoner, Spy: Was Timothy Leary a CIA Agent?" by Mark Riebling. - Timothy Leary, the CIA, and LSD: A Narrative Chronology. Touches on Angleton, JFK, and the mysterious unsolved murder of Mary Meyer -. See: http://www.markriebling.com/leary.html Will give you a bit insight into his alleged 'Mischief' with the CIA. And at the time, the CIA...wanted some short of 'DRUG' to Control the youth, as much as possible...; which, I gathered from past insights. 'The Youth MUST NOT become INTELLECTUAL! So, make their Brain a MUSH!': Would have been their motto! And I can still remember when I was a kid in Junior High School, the older kids singing: "Marijuana, marijuana...LSD, LSD...Scientist make it, Teachers take it: Why Can't We...Why Can't We!" So, as you can notice: this is how 'Conscious' many of the elderly kids have gotten, at the time. Very BAD influence on the kids! So, the link above, does explain a great deal of what has come to pass. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 716 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Melli.... Below is a short excerpt from Billy: The undisclosed implication is that a form of dictatorship will be established that results in the complete surveillance of every citizen --- a horrible vision, which is increasingly becoming apparent as a reality to anyone observing the world with open eyes. Likewise, this terrifying vision foreshadows the 'New World Order' which, from ancient times onward, was linked to prophecies about an 'animal with the number 666' exerting immense power. The above mentioned not only refers to the European Union, but of course, inclusive the USA....and any other allied country. and... From - 49 Questions - from the Billy Meier Contacts. Q-38.What does anti-logos mean? "Semjase: It is worth mentioning that the numerological value 666, the Anti- Logos, and the related lies and misrepresentations, were forced upon terrestrial human beings. Fanatics, liars, deceivers, religions, charlatans, and the power hungry thrust this deceitful name upon humans against their will. Hence, the value of the number 666 does not apply to an individual nor to the thinking processes and actions of a long-departed human being from Earth, but it refers to the figure of delusion it turned into. It has ruled the Earth as a religious cult figure ever since." And, if I am correct, Semjase also did mention somewhere, that it was a creation generated by the Israeli Jews/Hebreons(and related): as being a - Fictional Entity -...of non existence! But, it has manifest itself, as a way of being, as we look around ourselves... alas. The destruction aspects, if you will: has become a Negative Energy within the human individual's Mind/Mentality. Due to the Israeli Jews/Heberons being conscious of the Negative role they would play in their 'Manipulating and Plagiarizing' the ancient Wisdoms, and all related to Jmmanuel and so forth. And the Negative impact which it will have on the whole of Earth humanity. So, they created this - Fictional Entity -...which more or less became a reality in everyday life; which is only a 'Mirror Image' of themselves (because of THEIR role(s) in the future!)! So, what they have created...: THEY HAVE BECOME!!! THEY made a Fiction into Reality! As said and foreseen, in the Prophecies! Just as every other Evil doings..related. So, it seems, THEM wanting to 'Scare off' the whole Earthly human population: Only BACK FIRED on themselves!(Crime NEVER pays!) Thus, THEY created their OWN (imaginary) DEMON(s), so to speak. And now this DEMON turned itself....AGAINST them! Because: THAT DEMON IS THEMSELVES! Like they say: "The Vibes you send out...you will get back!" And this would truly apply to the mentioned above! Edward. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 206 Registered: 06-2005 |
As always I am grateful for your explanations, Edward. I only wish I had a photographic memory or had the intelligence to tap into the Akashic records. But I am only human....still! | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 720 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Melli.... Well, if One has adapted One's daily life to Creation's True Laws, One is surely directing One's Self to a much more: Conscious Way Of Being; and thus, is OPEN to TAP into what level is to One's disposal, that suites One's Consciousness level; it be done - Conscious or Unconsciously. One will Recognize and Acknowledge such manifestation...when the phenomenon is in the processing(consciously). It may take a considerable amount of incarnations before One can reach such Level of Manifestation, as human being. That is why, as human being: One should live accordance to the True Laws and Commandments of Creation, in all of One's incarnations. 'Consciously' live a life with Creational Laws and than 'Consciously' it will manifest itself upon YOU! And so, this Talent of Creation will manifest itself to those whom Respect and Obey Creation, and all creatures within. So Melli, I know, that you are on the correct path to True Creational Knowledge and Wisdom, when you are absorbing the Knowledge that you gather and obtain from this FIGU board and all other materials that Billy and the Plejarans offer you. One has to start somewhere, not? And you took the correct turn...  And now, just let your incarnations take over, and live a Conscious life...in each and every one of them. What you have learned in this life time about The Teachings Of The Spirit, will always be in your 'sub-consciousness'...; and in every incarnation this Knowledge will surface...bit by bit. Just as your talent to TAP into Higher Levels of Consciousness and Knowledge(AR...etc.). So as you can notice: it takes a lot of (LIFE) Experiences to reach and gain; to become the individual you wish to become. But it will be so. As this is also our Striving and Goal as Spirit-form, and human being. To Perfect ourselves, and to manifest in a state of Equilibrium. And as they say: "The Walls Of Rome... Was Not Built In A Day!" Edward. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 382 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Forum Reference to Asket and gaiaguys Interesting http://www.rense.com/general74/d3af.htm | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 426 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thanks, Matt! "The website which shall not be named" has been named! Wow! Is this covert publicity from the frightened fence-sitters? And isn't $alla IDIOTIC! There's just that small problemm of REE-SURCH ... (DUH! Wat is wat yoo sed?) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 442 Registered: 03-2004 |
Yo Matt! This is an addition to the last post I made on the Translation thread to you about the use of humor, and how it is a potent weapon against the elite crooks who feed off hate. Check out our cartoon, which lured the vermin out of the dark, and is now frozen in the light like a spotlighted possum! We await a reply .... www.gaiaguys.net/OTO.burns.htm Cheers! Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 390 Registered: 07-2005 |
Does it come with the job or is it a requirement. I thought I lacked a sense of humour and now I look like the next david hughes compared to him. They say if it smells like a fish and taste a fish, in all probability, it's got to be a fish or at least a close substitute. Why won't he answer a simple question. Simple, if he lies about it, it'll go on the public record which has the potential of biting him in the arse later. But on the other hand if he does answer it, it may open up the pandoras box for potential conflict of interest. I thought these people who are actually chosen by their own elite colleagues were very smart. Now it seems through this complaint, he has attracted an international attention on himself just like the OTOs have done. It seems like you have guided their hands Dyson much like the genius move of world chess champ Kasparov check mating IBMs deep blue and what da ya know it was all for a bit of laugh. Besides what I don't get it, where is the spirit of forgiveness of perceived slight befitting of an high ranking member of the community who's responsibility it is to uphold the morals and ethics of society. Oh sorry I forgot, when it comes to the law, moral response will not be legally possible for every case as George Chapman had once said "I am ashamed the law is such an ass" Excuse my French but f***!, where is the true justice when the law does not cater for us minions but only for the top select few. If he had a bit of sense, I think he should just let this die down, besides nobody is pestering him for some answers or am I wrong on this? cheers Matt | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1051 Registered: 12-1999 |
Vatican in possession of secret CIA documents, or is it CIA in possession of secret Vatican documents?? http://www.rense.com/general70/vatt.htm | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 447 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Matt! You ol’ kidder, you! You wrote: “Besides what I don't get it, where is the spirit of forgiveness of perceived slight befitting of an high ranking member of the community who's responsibility it is to uphold the morals and ethics of society.” Ha ha! Well they do “uphold the morals and ethics of society”, or suppress them, if you want to look at it that way. Is there anyone here who believes that Freemasonry has ever, in any way, been adherent to “Christian” teachings? If so: from their 9th degree (formerly) secret initiation rites @ www.gaiaguys.htm/Masonic-9th-degree.htm (snip) The candidate hurries through the room and flings the head and the Dagger onto the Throne, calling: Revenge! Revenge! (snip) I promise to revenge the Freemasonry, as well as in general as in special cases. I join additionally to be as a support pillar for the Order, to help my Brothers with all my heart and all power, to obey the Grand Council of the Princes of Jerusalem. And if I may be of shortcoming of any of my duties than subject my self to destruction with the same weapon that is given to me to take revenge, as an honor to the Order, and as reward for my diligence, my fervency and my perseverance. (snip) Even though nobody else will, Vivienne and I will continue to make a lonely stink about this latest legal move against us, and the chances are that Magistrate Burns is being counseled now by his higher brethren, as presumably was the case in all the other uninformed legal moves made against us in the past by various parliamentarians and assorted criminal bigwigs, who came in like lions and left like lambs. Thank Creation for the elemental power of truth! And did anyone notice the reference to obeying “the Grand Council of the Princes of Jerusalem.” Now who do you suppose THEY are? Speaking of which, at the moment, there a big stink on again here in Australia about some mad mullah who is in trouble for accurately revealing bits of the Talmud of Babylon (the Jewish book of the law). http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/01/18/1169095908942.html In the UK a few years ago an elderly British historian was imprisoned for 6 months when she did the same thing. A Rabbi was called in by the Masonic judiciary as a expert witness who perjured himself and said it was all anti-Semitic lies. When will the Koran-bashers be told that the Hebrew word which designates gentiles (goyem) translates as “cattle”? Hmmmmmmmmm?????????? Salome, Dyson | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2006 |
why does it seem negative here, I was under the impression this was spiritually enlightened place with likewise people that are open minded, I feel like I am trying to reach out and met with blockers, perhaps overzealous, I really dont care either way, I can not honestly say I believe billy does not read the english message board, that makes no sense, he has ducked attempts on his life, what danger does this message board pose? there may be messages that need to get to him and you people are blocking it from happening, you want to quickly dismiss me as one of the delusion people that are having impulse thoughts projected into my brain fine, but dont block until someone who can answer it for sure, shame on this organization if that is the case, do I need to provide proof I had an experience? perhaps some of you should re-read the bulletins because they did not say everyone was delusional and there are other contacted people or people who did have genuine experiences. I cant believe I come here to feel negativity, it is quite frustrating, maybe if I buy some merchandise you will treat me different, this seems more like a clique to me, do I have to join your organization? I am not an advantage taker. bottom line is, I see and feel the greed lurking here, the distrust, the closed minds. a real disappointment coming here. sorry if I offend you but seems like FIGU takes up the defense initially which becomes an offense, the only "chosen one" is billy, remember that. I may not be the wisest person in the world, but there certainly seems like there is alot of blocking going on here. I apologize if I am coming across negative, but I think there is good reason for it. seems like there is alot of assuming, and there is an old saying, dont assume cause you make an ass out of you and me, since I am technically already an ass, guess who else is. KNOW THYSELF KNOW THYSELF KNOW THYSELF I am honest with myself, how many here can say that, or in the world for that matter. I guess I am better off sticking with reading the FREE material cause FIGU has a strange way of spreading the message. no one likes being ignored and I am not looking for anyones attention other than billy's, too bad it feels like I have to go through blockers to get it. good luck. peace. Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1055 Registered: 12-1999 |
Someguy, There is a saying that has been used numerous times "the roasted goose does not fly into ones mouth", or something like that. There have been numerous people that have participated in this forum who claim to have seen ufo's, think they are having contact with the Pleiadians/Plejarens etc....As I mentioned before Billy does not read the forum, mainly because he is a German speaking citizen living in Switzerland, among many other reasons he is a very busy person and has many responsibilities etc...You may want to examine what spirituality or enlightenment means to you?? The address to the Semjase Center is on the main FIGU Website, have you taken the time to look for it? I am curious what were you expecting from people here? Have you been studying the FIGU material very long? No one on this forum moderators, members etc...receives any money for working for FIGU, there is no vested interest in promoting book sales etc..Curious what do you mean by blockers? Regards Scott Welcome to the Forum | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 425 Registered: 06-2000 |
Wow , someguy .Really . First , If I carried the name for example "nobody" it would seem that I would be the one who put up the walls ( blocking) , and , with such a name , how would anyone know such a person . And why would anyone ? It seems so self-depreciating. And so it is that "someguy" as a name seems to me , anonymous , with no intention of ever really being known . Come on , now , what do you want on the internet , an group hug or something ? Maybe you should look at this forum as being a learning tool . Your E.T. assumptions are something that you can learn about ,,if you weren't so addicted to them , and turn your eyes away from that which you don't prefer to face . As for being ignored , you are not being ignored , else I would not have taken the time to write to you right here . Yes you are being negative and .... get over yourself . That is not a FIGU group comment , but a comment from another human being . You seem to me to have some psychological imbalances ; sorry , that I cannot prescribe something for you , other than to recommend : Look around you and see that the universe does not revolve around you . And no ,buying something does not make friends or anything else that you expressed. Some of the people on this forum actually know each other personally , maybe that offers some insight to you . You quite unrealistically imagine illogically that Billy is ignoring you or that someone is blocking you from reaching him . Please stop being a strange person , and maybe people will not see you as being a stranger . It's so easy to blame others for what you are yourself to blame for . Now seriously , man-up about all of this and do it right away . Noone will carry on that which you started negatively ; so let it dissolve . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2006 |
of course I took the time to look for that info, I think it would simply be filtered through the people there and most likely never get to him and I think you know it, all I want is answers from the source, I am prepared to deal with hecklers at message boards, believe me, at this point blockers are the annoyance. let him make the excuses, why does this message board exist, it is based on him, only time will show how insignificant I may or may not be. I dont care anymore, I am delusional right? I have my own message to spread which somehow seems close to the one billy has, but FIGU gives me a distorted image of what their message is. there is 4 available bulletins on the FIGU site out of what? almost 400? I just started reading it in the last couple of months, I find the info everywhere but at the FIGU site, unles of course I pay for it. I am not blaming you directly scott, but take a look around, especially at the FIGU site, for a new comer like me, there is alot blocking, I need to spend what? $100 on books or more to learn "the message", that makes so much sense, maybe there is a message buried in that I havent picked up on. I think I will disappear now. peace. Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 147 Registered: 06-2006 |
Yes, actually even I thought of mailing Billy. One question a month is a slow process of communication. However, I guess Billy says he is busy so that's the difficulty, he is one guy all people want to ask questions to, because he was the only one who contacted the Plejarens. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 180 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Someguy You talk about negativity but you do not describe what you consider to be negativity. Just say that pleasure, be it material or psychological, joy and happyness are a negative factor if not handled correctly.Excessive optimism leads you to boost your ego and later collapse of your personality. It must be known that socalled "truth" has been delivered since immemorial times in hard, harsh language, lacking any kind of diplomacy.You can see that in the bible.To pray values of "brotherhood", "happiness", "glory","good feelings" is false humanitarism if you do not take an active part denunciating evil, false teachings, illogical thinking and absurd behaviours. It is much better the latter than to pray all goodness in the world.People only learn when they acknowledge their mistakes, but people are not used to do so, and you have to use hard language to break their egos so they aknowledge their errors. If you do not want to be famous or a public person, to have an implant or to be UFO witness is of little/zero importance.What matters here is your own experience and your own evolution as single individual.You know the truth yourself and that's enough.Nobody has to legitimate or prove your case.Mankind will profit from any contactee case only in the case such contactee has spiritual information to offer.But technology contained in implanted chips and all that crap that's nonsense.Nobody is going to profit/benefit from that. Excuse me if my words seem to be bit rude, but as i told before, rudeness is necessary in these times we live in.You have a friend here.... | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 181 Registered: 04-2006 |
Regarding to the books being expensive...well...in christmas i had to buy presents to everybody in my family, it took 500$ from my money....I hate christmas presents, they are useless... If you want to renew your tv set and buy a brandnew nice tft screen, prepare to spend 1000$.Do you really need that? Do you really need brand new laptops, or cellulars? Do you need Billy's books in order to lead a decent life? Of course not.But they offer information and advice, i now no editor who gives away books for free.Not only you will have to pay for the books, but you will HAVE TO LEARN GERMAN.Too much sacrifice? Billy and Figu do not support lazyness, be it physical or intelectual. Remember, 500$ and the whole meier library, or, an apple iPhone...now you decide where to spend your money.The books are an acquisition that last an entire lifetime.An iPhone does'nt. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 164 Registered: 10-2005 |
Someguy... First, two ground rules: 1.) Do not blame another for the problems that bother you. Why would you want to give someone that power? Also, you may have a very long wait, since there is no incentive for someone else to change so YOU can get better... 2.) Do not be offended. (Mistake of the intellect)There is a spark of creation within you which is the greatest/grandest part of you. The ego is a piedly little part that keeps you from running in traffic. The information that you seek is all around you. Contemplate yourself as already surrounded by the conditions you intend to create. The information provided by Billy is all over the world: http://figu.org http://www.theyfly.com/ http://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=billy+meier&btnG=Search The information becomes a knowing rather than a belief, the answers eventually come from within and you won't have to bother Billy anymore... The folks in this forum are very knowledgable and helpful, all great people in my opinion...ALL. Billy knows several languages, English, Swiss, German, Greek, Sarat, telepathic communication with the Plejaren etc... How many languages do YOU speak? How many forums do YOU read? It is difficult to comprehend the Mission Billy has so graciously committed himself to... (60,000,000,000 years of graciousness) unless you first somehow think about Billy and the extremely difficult life he has chosen.He answers every question asked of him, thousands a week in many many different languages. There are seven Billion people on the planet all seeking the truth in one way or another. Some go in the opposite direction and that is negative. If someone... like the kind folks in this group gently nudge you to see the truth, it is not negative, is it? We are all one, unity is the secret. Much love to you... Randy Arena (Rarena) ô¿ô | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Someguy, no-one here is out to get you, and theres no hidden agenda (block) here at this forum either. Everything/everyone is pretty much up front here. What you see is what you get. I think it would benefit you if you relaxed (drop your guard) a bit more, and became a little less paranoid of others comments to you too. Once again, no-one heres out to get you, or trying to put you down. Welcome to the forum! | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 266 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey someguy, here's some helpfull advice from experience. i have wrote 4 letter trying to reach billy. in my first letter i wrote a bunch of my concerns and questions. much curious inquiry on my part, perhaps a bit selfish. the next was also lots of questions, looking for answers, and so on. none of my letters (3) have reached him. i have been patient and am possibly very close to reaching him in this 4th attempt that i made recently. even though it is frustrating trying to get ahold of this man, i spent 2+ years trying to get ahold of him and i am still persistent. it is better to be patient. one great benefit i got from not having my letters recieved by billy is that i answered many of my own questions in that period of waiting. this 4th letter of mine is shorter (by a page or two) and my 3 questions to him are well thought out (meaning to me, that i can cover a lot of territory with few questions). i suggest that (only because i have benefited greatly, and perhaps you will to) that you leave him alone for a year or so, and ponder your concerns. good luck man. | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2006 |
I am glad I have all your attention now, but the main persons attention I would like is like getting to a rock star, not easy. Hector, I do give my book away for free ( http://www.ufotimetravel.com ) so that theory is out the window. if I had the money I would buy all the books, and not for nothing, listen to my interviews if you want to hear MY truth delivered in a non-candy coated way, I practice that before I read the BM info and I think my posts are a testament to that as well. and your right, I need to know my own truth and I should not need validation, but it would be nice, dont you think? Marc, have you watched the billy meier video on google or my website? that guy does not exactly speak highly of FIGU and why did he quit? I know I am a stranger, the world shows me over and over again, I can accept I am alone in this, believe me. I already have, and I have my own message, plejarens will not interfere in earth human affairs, what about the earth humans themselves? should we wait for evoltion as they say, I say future now. and perhaps the truth I think I am speaking here to you all, is being delivered with the neccessary hard words as well, wouldnt you say? of course the universe does not revolve around me, should that stop me from trying to make it better? I do not beleive I said billy is ignoring me, I think there is a proxy to get to him that sucks. spaceman, that does make sense, but that leaves much room for things to slip through the cracks now doesnt it. also hector, I am not lazy, I have little time as well and I am busy as well, I want strait forward without the BS from the ones delivering the message period. Rarena, we all have difficult lives, this is true, so stand by and watch? I know the links you threw up, I been there already, but it is not all of it or official for that matter. and I agree knowing is better than believeing. matt, i do not think anyone is out to get me, except maybe the secret government or as I call them "controllers" but I guess it would be easy to label me paranoid after that statement indeed. thanks for the welcome. I am not here to fight, I was addressing FIGU more than forum members here, if you want to step up and defend them or point out my mistakes which I am more than willing to admit if I think I made any, fine, but at least my opinion is known and will penetrate the correct people. Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 553 Registered: 10-2000 |
Someguy, While you say on your page that you don't feel "warm and fuzzy" about FIGU, which is not something that is ever promised, promoted, etc., it would be nice if you got off your self-indulgent podium and either properly attribute the photo you're using to (C) Billy Meier/FIGU or remove it. And, while you may feel some need to bother Meier with your whining, as far as I know, he doesn't seek out, or respond to, anonymous people. Michael Horn | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2006 |
I am not anonymous, my name is Renato Ferraz (it is on my profile, no?), which is not hard to find on my site as well. wait a sec, is this really michael horn? can I have your autograph? I enjoy your work and website, michael, you rock, wow, cool, I got some good attention now, LOL. yes I will give the credit or the attributes on the site for the picture, I am not whining, I have clear visions in my mind with many connections, I am tired of the haunting thoughts and I want some ease or validation, thats all, and for some reason I trust in what billy might say about it. thanks for responding though! hehe Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi again Someguy, I'm glad you see that no-one here is out to get you or put you down! A quick word of advice because your new here. Your the only active member presently here that I know who has this thought implants belief/thing, so try not to get too offended if some people here let you know their opinion is that they are skeptical about what you believe or say you have. Remember that you brought that particular matter up for discussion with people here, and if anyone wishes to offer you their opinion on it, expect them to be honest and up front to you with it, because thats how most people here are. I think it might be better if you just talk to Billy about the matter relating to your thought implants because he is the only person here who can talk/help you find out if those implants are real or not. Cheers! and enjoy your studying of the Meier material while your here! | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 12-2006 |
Matt, thank you again, I hope for nothing less than people to be honest and up front to me with it as I try myself to practice this. I am not afraid of skeptical opinion as long as they come across that way anyway, someone here, I think hector (forgive me if I am wrong) came across earlier like he "knows" my story or the like and "knows" that I am delusional simply from reading what the plejarens said in one of the books, and I simply responded that he should come across that it is an opinion of his, because no one truly knows including myself and it comes across condescending, and who likes condescending remarks? I do enjoy studying the material because there are so many similarities to my own story and has come out in my interviews as well that became coincedence, and since the notes came out in 1975, it is easy to say I was influenced by them, but I know for myself that is not true that I was influenced before I read the material, which is good enough for me. I must say I am glad my opinon of FIGU was addressed, if they clear it up and it makes sense, I have no problem understanding and admitting my fault. and michael horn, concerning the homepage of theyfly.com, I will get off my podium when you get off yours (just kidding) Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 06-2006 |
Renato, you should regularly keep checking the section on the forum below called "Your Questions to Billy Meier--Answered" to see when it is open so that you can submit your question(s) to Billy. As soon as it opens, which is probably within a week, be quick to submit your question because it usually only stays open for a couple of days or so. If you miss out, you'll have to wait till next month to do it again. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/1871.html?1167169900 | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 182 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Renato i told you that Billy says he is the only contactee on earth.He says that abductions are pure delusional episodes, he says that implant stories do not exist.The plejaren agree with that. Please read this and tell us if it contradicts your version: Ptaah: "And what has to be said and can only be said again and again and has often been said, regarding contacts between earth humans and foreigners to earth, is that you are the only person in the whole world who is capable of having contacts with us Plejarens and those belonging to our federation. And also in this respect, no other contacts of any kind are taking place between other beings foreign to earth and earth's human beings, because no other beings foreign to earth exist, apart from us, who are operating in this way in earth's space. And no more in conjunction with us has to be said regarding the tissue of lies of the alleged contact persons because the facts tell the whole story." http://www.figu.org/us/ "The Newest In Regard To Matters Of Extraterrestrials, UFOs, Pleiadiens/Plejarens, Contacts, Abductions, Examination Contacts and Implants" Furthermore, so called greys are androids and there are no such lizard men as you describe in your book. Somebody is lying here.Either it is Billy or it is you....(I don't want to be rude). | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 450 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Renato, A belated welcome. The sort of mind-control microchip implants you describe are all too real, and come from Unacknowledged Special Access Projects (USAP's), also known as Black Projects. Please read the 600 pages of Disclosure Project documents we have linked off of www.gaiaguys.net/ufology.htm www.gaiaguys.net/lammer.htm will also be of interest to you, if you are not already aware of Helmut Lammer's brilliant and heroic work. If you want the REAL answers, you're in the right place now! Salome, Dyson | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2006 |
Thank you alan, I will be sure to do that, I simply want to know if the thoughts that haunt me are truly insane or not, I do not like questioning my own sanity. Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2006 |
Hector, I do not believe it contradicts my story, the reason is, I was abducted by my future self, I cover this in one of my interviews, anyway, considering time travel, since my younger self would not accept the reality in front of him, he would not cooperate and completely distrust, so it was indeed an abduction, and they said "between earth humans and foreigners to earth, I am no foreingner to earth, I was born and raised on earth, I will add more after todays interview Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1057 Registered: 12-1999 |
Someguy, I have looked at your "e-book" regarding your "experience". At best I would say you have the aspirations to be a science fiction writer, at worst none of what you have stated is true. You made your appearance on this forum in a deceptive way, which tends to make me question the veracity of your claims or at least puts into question anything you have written about. Numerous times in your writing you mentioned using "weed", which in certain instances can fuel the imagination, but at the same time takes you farther from reality. Your writing is somewhat reminiscent of the Whitley Strieber Series "Communion", in which he was "abducted" by the "greys" etc....although he didn't have sex or smoke weed with the aliens as you stated...subsequently it has been revealed that none of this occurred...Your signature line in your posts "Know Thyself" may be more applicable to you more than you know.. Scott | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 451 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Renato a.k.a. "Someguy", You wrote, “I simply want to know if the thoughts that haunt me are truly insane or not, I do not like questioning my own sanity.” First, “insane” is a legal term, not a psychological or psychiatric one. Unless you have been judged that way by a court, the term does not apply. Try thinking of it as not, “Am I sane?”, but “Am I coping?” There is a very simple insuperable logical problem with questioning one’s own sanity that has been identified by the cold hard science of mathematics. In short, it cannot be done in such a way that a correct answer can be produced. Let me quote from a valuable book of mine: Goedel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid, Douglas R. Hofstadter, (Penguin Books Ltd, England, 1979) page 696, Chapter XX Strange Loops, or Tangled Hierarchies ( www.gaiaguys.net/happy.htm ) Introspection and Insanity: A Goedelian Problem (snip) I think it can have suggestive value to translate Goedel's Theorem into other domains, provided one specifies in advance that the translations are metaphorical and are not intended to be taken literally. That having been said, I see two major ways of using analogies to connect Goedel's Theorem and human thoughts. One involves the problem of wondering about one's sanity. How can you figure out if you are sane? This is a Strange Loop indeed. Once you begin to question your own sanity, you can get trapped in an ever-tighter vortex of self-fulfilling prophecies, though the process is by no means inevitable. Everyone knows that the insane interpret the world via their own peculiarly consistent logic; how can you tell if your own logic is "peculiar" or not, given that you have only your own logic to judge itself? I don't see any answer. I am just reminded of Godel's second Theorem, which implies that the only versions of formal number theory which assert their own consistency are inconsistent... (snip) Anyway, I've had a look at your website, and I have to agree with Scott. Did I miss something, Renato, or did you tell us previously that your profile told us who you are? "Name: Someguy Location: Earth" Is this a joke, or just crazy? I’m not sure if your predilection for hallucinogenic recreational drugs is a CAUSE or an EFFECT of what appears to be your mental disturbance. However, logic dictates that if you lay off the weed for at least three months and try to come down to Earth by getting all the THC out of your brain and sober up, you will be in a better position to answer the question you ask of yourself with which I opened this message. Logic is the Golden Key, Renato. We will try to help you with the truth, but nobody can do it all FOR you, and if you can’t achieve it yourself, then that may be the unhappy answer to the question you ask. Salome, Dyson | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2006 |
OK Scott, I am always ready for someone to use my addmitting to using drugs as a tool against me to discredit me, this is your "opinion" I assume, so since I am as honest as I could be, now your using it against me, I expect this, and thats right know thyself applies to me more than anyone else, thats why I am here asking the questions!, I cant say I am not offended you calling me a deciever, I came here for my own truth and to transmit what I believe the truth is in my brain, also, how do you "know" I need to apply my signature to myself, what makes you an authority on this subject matter, you are a student here, not a teacher, remember that. Renato Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2006 |
Thank you dyson, it is always nice to be welcomed, I hope to contribute to this community autonomously if I can, I certainly do not want to be part of a clique. I also thank peter for his advise and wisdom. also, hector, my last response post to your response, to expand on that, I guess I see the loop hole there, since we must evolve ourselves as earth humans, some advanced humans (time travelers) in my eyes bear the right to participate in fixing the world. Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 04-2006 |
Scott this is the first time I am attempting to upload images in a post here. If I have done it incorrectly and the images fail to upload, could you please NOT post this post. I will see what I am doing wrong and will try again later - thanks. This is interesting. It is about J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings" book/film and Freemasonery. Firstly Author J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy books were amongst the most popular and loved fiction books ever written and the films went onto be even more popular. (LOTR is my favourite film) The films were all ranked in the top 12 most popular films of all. The third one missing out on top stop to Titanic, but LOTR 1,2,3 was one story and if the 3 films were combined as one film it would easily win top stop by a huge margine. All-Time Worldwide Boxoffice: Rank Title Worldwide Box Office 1. Titanic (1997) $1,835,300,000 2. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) $1,129,219,252 3. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (2006) $1,060,332,628 4. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (2001) $968,657,891 5. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) $922,379,000 6. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002) $921,600,000 7. Jurassic Park (1993) $919,700,000 8. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (2005) $892,194,397 9. Shrek 2 (2004) $880,871,036 10. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (2002) $866,300,000 11. Finding Nemo (2003) $865,000,000 12. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)$860,700,000 http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross?region=world-wide Tolkien's Door of Durin - Gateway into Moria In the Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring (first film), Gandalf the wizard tells Frodo the Hobbit that the only way to defeat the forces of evil is to unmake the One Ring, that Frodo has in his possession, by casting it into the Cracks of Doom in the depths of Orodruin, the Fire-mountain, located in Mordor, the land of the Dark Lord, Sauron. Gandalf volunteers to lead Frodo and his companions there through Moria, the secret city under the mountains. Here, however, they face a terrifying setback when they are found by the Balrog, a demon of the Ancient World. The Moria that Gandalf and his companions venture through is the secret city under Mount Moria. In the Bible Mount Moriah is in Jerusalem and was God's holiest place on earth. This was the mountain where an angel of God told Abraham not to sacrifice Isaac. So in the Lord of the Rings, the secret city under Mount Moria is the kingdom where many wicked spirits and beings dwell in order to prevent anyone from passing through in order to gain a deeper insight into the mystery of redemption.  Above: Tolkien's Door of Durin, gateway into Moria, the subterranean city under the Misty Mountains. The gateway to Moria in the movie is reproduced directly from Tolkien's drawing in the book "Lord of the Rings".  Above: The occult logo of the Royal Arch of the Freemasons is remarkably similar to the image depicted on Tolkien's door to Moria shown before! There is some interesting symbolism that appears on the door to the dwarven caverns of Moria, a gateway that initially blocks the progress of the beleaguered Fellowship. A symbolic arch is supported by 2 pillars, themselves wrapped by climbing vegetation. The arch bears an inscription written in an ancient form of Elvish, saying "The Doors of Durin, Lord of Moria. Speak, friend, and enter." Drawn below the arch are seven stars and a crown, and below these can be found a much larger star (the 'Star of the House of Feanor'). This motif is very similar to the Royal Arch of the Freemasons, who also incorporate seven stars into the space below the arch. Their arch is comprised of 7 houses of the zodiac, whose position in the sky binds the Duat. As such, the seven stars cannot denote the Pleiades star cluster in Taurus, nor the Corona Borealis, or Northern Crown. They are also not suggestive of any stars present in the Duat itself, specifically around Sirius or Orion. The 'Star of the House of Feanor', however, may be analogous with Sirius if we compare the Door of Durin and the Freemasonic Royal Arch. This then gives us a very specific sky location, into which are incorporated a crown and seven stars. This symbolism is very powerful and the Door of Durin might therefore be seen as one of Initiation. In order to be initiated and admitted into the Royal Arch, you need to be a Master Mason, i.e., someone who has accomplished the three degrees of Blue Lodge Freemasonry. A Royal Arch official Website states that a Freemason does not learn the full meaning of the Mysteries in the lower degrees until he's initiated into the Most Sublime Degree of the Royal Arch Order: "The preparatory Degrees conferred in the Chapter are those of Mark Master Mason, Past Master and Most Excellent Master [...] but the Most Sublime Degree of Royal Arch Mason is more august, sublime and important than all that precedes it. It brings to light many essentials of the Craft contained ONLY in this Most Sublime Degree and explains many cryptic passages of the first three Degrees incomprehensible to the Master Mason. Without knowledge of these the Masonic character cannot be complete." - - MasterMason.com http://www.yorkrite.com/gcmx/whyaram.htm]MasterMason.com Gandalf's purpose was not to become an initiate of the Royal Arch but rather to help his beleaguered fellowship understand that this Royal Arch Lodge, symbolically located under Mount Moria in Jerusalem is corrupt and shouldn't be trusted. This understanding of the secret knowledge of the Masonic Royal Arch Lodge was necessary in order to continue with the work of understanding the redemption process that Frodo, who is Everyman, was involved in. In the real world today, this process is still underway because the Dark Lord Sauron is still the Lord of the Rings of power... powers that are pursuing the NWO agenda! Gandalf's purpose was not to become an initiate of the Royal Arch but rather to help his beleaguered fellowship understand that this Royal Arch Lodge, symbolically located under Mount Moria in Jerusalem, is corrupt and shouldn't be trusted. As you know, something terrible happened to Gandalf deep inside the caverns of Mount Moria but he survived and returned as Gandalf the White. In the context of a biblical analogy, Gandalf's descent into the Abyss and subsequent rise, was like the second coming of Gandalf. Christ also came down to earth and was dragged into the Abyss for 3 days by the Serpent but he arose and has already returned in the spirit, in the run up to the final conflict with the Reptilians, who are headed by the Dark Lord Sauron/Satan. At the climax of this battle, it will be the Reptilian's turn to be thrown into the Abyss, but they will have to remain there for 1,000 years! I am not suggesting that J.R.R. Tolkien was a freemason, but maybe rather the opposite. Perhaps someone here may know more about this and could tell me more. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 183 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Renato i don't doubt the autenticity of your experiences, i'm not legitimate to discredit any contact/abduction case....i'm just another neutral skeptic, another truthseeker... My advice is the following: try to examine your implant with x-rays and post the analysis on your website....doing so you may silent many skeptics. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1058 Registered: 12-1999 |
Someguy, Please read FIGU Bulletin #6 regarding Abductions by Little Greys which is on the English portion of the FIGU Website. Also you mentioned "but FIGU gives me a distorted image of what their message is. there is 4 available bulletins on the FIGU site out of what? almost 400?" I am not sure where you came up with these figures, but there are at least 11 complete English Bulletins, plus excerpts from numerous later ones. In addition with the invaluable assitance of Dyson and Vivienne we have been privy to many of the special bulletins and their very pertinent information. Scott | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 12-2006 |
Hey Hector, thanks for being open minded, I am a truth seeker myself thats all, these crazy thoughts in my head I question for a long time and I am trying to be as honest as I can in my own words, I am not neccesarily trying to cater to anyone when I write the book, I do my best to describe it. but I have been doubting it for a long time, now I am open to it if it is true, also, my yogi friend told me the same thing about smoking weed too dyson, what can i say. I didnt smoke for a week and my thoughts were more clear when it came to my memories or visions, I will tell you that. also, in my interview I also mentioned my views of being part of this message board community. I hope you can see my sincerity. Renato Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 426 Registered: 06-2000 |
Actually ,Some-guy , you are not contributing , you are distracting others from the real issues and topics ; but being the lucky-guy that you are , others are willing to share their intelligent insights to help you to see past your own expanded self-importance delusion . If you think that I am being rude in my delivery , I can tell you for certain that to soften my words would be much more rude . You need to be woken up , SNAP ! By the way , you don't have interviews on your page , they are MONOVIEWS , which is what you have when you "interview" yourself . When you try to "teach" others about your odd perceptions , that's not very kind .This forum is not a "UFO weirdness" type of gathering place . It has to do with real and consistent knowledge which can be proven by logic , and tons of evidence for those who need simple proof . I suggest that you spend more time reading anonymously than trying to make yourself the center of attention , as you have succeeded in dong in the last few days . I'm done with you . Mark Campbell | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 12-2006 |
Mark I think you need a big hug. with all due respect, excuse me, but who are you to decide whether or not I am contributing? and if you dont like the posting, do not read them, they were approved and posted by a moderator was it not? I think you need to wake up from old ways of thinking, but your human, I forgive you. my interviews are that, there is no script if thats what you mean and hey buddy your the one addressing me, thanks for the attention. I am a student not a teacher, that is the way you interpret it, I am not here to teach, when I KNOW I have alot to learn and you yourself as well it seems. who are you to tell me what is real or not, the proof is obviously good enough for, Am I not here posting? I think you know what you can do with your suggestion too buddy. ****************************************** Scott, I have read that bulletin and that is what brought me here to begin with. Someguy, After re-reading your post regarding the bulletins, I think you may have been referring to the number of contacts Billy has had. Granted most of them are in German, with a handful already translated into English. Scott-Moderator Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Someguy, you tell us that you have these implants but you provide us with no tangible proof that they are true other then your word and website. I don't think no-one here believes you because people here don't go readily believing in far fetched stuff like that unless there is some sort of tangible proof to go with it. You might believe your implants are true, especially if you delve into drugs you would, but I certainly don't, and I think that most people here don't too. So don't get upset or resent anyone that offers you their/this skeptical opinion because there are thousands of (mental?) people on the net claiming similar (abduction, implants, ect) stories such as yours. Do you blame anyone here for being skeptical here with your implants claim? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 452 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Renato a.k.a. "Someguy", You wrote, “I simply want to know if the thoughts that haunt me are truly insane or not ..." After your condescending "I think you need a big hug" remark to Mark, let ME offer my answer to your question. You are truly insane. And, aside from providing a bad example here, I also think you have nothing to offer. Excerpts from And Yet They Fly by Guido Moosbrugger (www.gaiaguys.net/andyetthatfly.htm) p.3 Schizophrenic Trance "For quite some time now, more and more people are capable of placing themselves into a schizophrenic trance and have been appearing in public to presumably let foreign beings, the deceased or ufonauts speak through them. This type of trance is evoked in either an unconscious form through misguided psychic factors, or in a fully conscious form that would indicate deliberate deception. This procedure is very popular at the present time and is practiced worldwide under the catchword channeling." pp.70-71 The Hard Language of Truth "With the regular repetition of a striking clock, the harsh and rough-hewn language in Billy's scripts is rejected. A large number of readers are bothered by this fact and prefer to turn to other books whose contents do not attack their psyche so fiercely but instead, soothe it like oil and balsam. Their thoughts can continue along the same old track without having to seek new ways through toilsome efforts. Above all, it is much easier to hang on to traditional ideas than to be faced with completely new facts that can also be very painful every now and then. It must be clear that the truth always sounds hard to a person who finds it annoying and even offensive, so that they feel personally attacked. It also sounds hard because the mirror of their own faultiness and shortcomings is often held before their very noses, although they assess themselves as being almost faultless. Furthermore, the teachings of the spirit require a completely different interpretation. This just so happens to be the way it is found in the nature of the matter. There is no further development if a person thinks the same way in spiritual matters as in physical matters. The language of diplomacy, as commonly used among us on Earth, serves primarily as a means of gaining some type of advantage at the cost of others. The realities are usually improperly and falsely rendered with this form of language and they degenerate into deadly misunderstandings. The truth may never be spread in a diplomatic form. Truth must call the facts by name, as they really are, straightforwardly without belittlement or misappropriation. According to the words of Semjase, paraphrasing and sweet-talking give false impressions with the result that everything is misinterpreted and inappropriately spread, which can lead to renewed false teachings. The language of truth has always been very hard and wherever the attempt was made to paraphrase it, it has been distorted beyond recognition and the real sense was lost. In bearing witness to the truth, a falsification may not occur under any circumstance, as it is a question of the Creational Laws and Directives, which are unwaveringly and forever valid hitherto into all eternity and are in no need of change. We should thus bear in mind that truth might may not be set forth with fine tongues and soft words. People who are far enough in their spiritual development to understand and grapple the hard language do not take account at Billy's writing style. Naturally, the same fact can be depicted for the reader in various ways, made palatable so that his or her appetite is not spoiled. But Billy makes use of his hard style with full intent because most of our contemporaries are only roused to their own thoughts in this manner. According to the Pleiadians, it will not be easy to make this clear to the people of Earth in their present stage of development. They are already too softened and have strayed from the knowledge of truth to the point that they energetically resist everything that sounds like the hard truth. Hence, know thyself. He who bears the hard, undiplomatic language of truth and acknowledges its worth will find himself on the right path of veritable evolution. Otherwise, for the time being, this way will remain barred to him through hindrances that he must clear away." Further reading: www.gaiaguys.net/meierv6p379.htm Salome, Dyson OM 32:2414. Worte sind wie Blätter, Taten aber wie Frucht. (Words are like leaves, but acts are like fruit.) | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 12-2006 |
Alan, I did not come here to prove my implants, sorry for the mix up. stop trying to degrade me by bringing up my admitted drug use, you will have to be more clever than that. thanks for your opinion. your telling me you never did anything? not a drink? hmmmm. I dont blame anyone for being skeptical but I do not remember addressing "anyone" I address billy based on a bulletin that said people who claimed to have experiences are liars or delusional and I wanted to know more and challenge that claim as well, your attention is a by-product of that, I dont need no ones approval or confirmation here, I seek a connection between billy and the plejarens to answer one simple question. also, my condescending remark was a reaction to the visited and revisited drug consumtion remarks, I dont see you giving the details of your mind and you get what you give sometimes in my opinion. Dyson, I cant believe I put your link on my web page, and wait a second, another UFO forum member calling me "truly insane", look at where you are and who your talking to, the apple indeed does not fall far from the tree or should I say message board, look at your site for crying out loud, what makes YOUR truth better or wiser than my own? come on, seriously! I still am not taking down your link cause I still like you though, or your site really. and yes I do need a hug, I admit it. (know thyself) as far as: Schizophrenic Trance when did I say someone was speaking through me? and I am delusional? please quote where you got the impression from me please where I claim to be in a trance or channeling people, where did that come from? also, who has the ego here? and again, I dont remember asking for anyones approval or belief. Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Dyson, I have no problem with Billy and his tough-love writing style. When correcting falsifications that go back two thousand years and establishing the renewed teachings that will stand for many of hundreds of years into the future, nothing else will do. However, I don’t feel any of us here have the right to personally criticize and insult anyone like you have done to Someguy. I also don’t think Billy would ever treat anyone so harshly, at least I haven’t seen it yet. Someguy is what he is. That was obvious from his first postings. Anyone who feels the need to be so personally critical should check his own ego first. Peace and best regards | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 271 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello dyson, you TRULY cannot say that someguy is TRULY insane, that's a feeble opinion and disrespectful to creation. i can in all TRUTH say the above that i have just said to you because it's honest and quite logical, and true. truly implies truth, in it's entire form. perhaps you should stop focussing on what other people say and do so much and concentrate on yourself. i dont mean to attack you, but you remind me of some type of subtle bully. moderators let me know if you think this is innappropriate, but i think it is okay. i am not trying to insult dyson, just doing to him what he seems to do so well with others on a semi-regular basis. that is, offer advice. | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 12-2006 |
(I posted this on the steelmarkonline forum as well) I found this quote and I want to know why. I still do not believe this applies to me but I obviously can not prove it and if it does apply to me, I want to know WHY and WHO. here is the quote: Subconscious Deception Through Subjective Autosuggestion This may be evoked by all kinds of fantasies in a normal state of consciousness or in a trance. People in this state often tell the craziest stories about encounters with extraterrestrials and about giants in outer space with such persuasion that even recognized ufologists fall prey to the stories and write thick books about them based on the statements of these pseudo-contactees. In principle, we ought not to accuse such pitiable people of dishonesty, since they are unaware that their alleged experiences were by no means genuine. They have merely fallen prey to a subconscious self-deception. Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1059 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Everyone, I think everybody at this point has had their say (myself included) in regards to this subject matter. At this point I think time will be the deciding factor in terms of the validity of statements being made here pro and con. Regards Scott-Moderator | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 392 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day everybody Just today on the news, the mainstream media were at it's fervour reporting on the issue of concert organisers supposedly banning the Australian flag onto the concert grounds on the fears that it'll spark a confrontation like those of the cronulla riot. Pauline Hanson and the prime minister gave their two cents worth on this divisive issue and it seem to have sparked more anger and bitter resentment against immigrants who have not fit in to the anglo saxon ideals of what being assimilated to the Australian way of life is. I saw this as another opportune moment to inflame anti racial sentiments especially against those minorities who are on the fringe (muslims perhaps) to yet again divide a nation for political purposes. The real issue isn't whether the Australian flag waving should be the birthright of the proud aussie patriots who have the right to carry their national emblem everywhere they please but more subtly, it carried with it the undertone of the political forces trying to garner national pride to once again use such story to highlight who the real enemy of the nation really is. The only conclusion, if a citizen of this wonderful country be so inclined to draw from is that immigrants who don't fit in to the aussie way of life is the problem and is the cause of the problems that they perceive as festering deep within the bowls of this country. Such cunning machination by the mainstream media which have embarked on a blitzkrieg of constant assault on the consciousness of the weary viewer by replaying this story over and over again caused me to think of just how many people out their who would have been thinking 'The bloody tourists immigrants can all p*s* off where they all came from, if they aren't going to follow the rules, they can all get f***ed', after watching this story aired. Of course the comments from the mad mulla and the high muslim sheik of australia didn't help their cause as this story aired would've reminded a lot of australians that they may have been the proxy target of this recent machination and justifiably so according to many of those who were getting a little sick and tired of the muslim debacle. Either way, the aftermath of this story left a bitter taste in my mouth as it doesn't solve any of the racial issues but now, this tool can be used by both sides at their whim to cause further racial tensions thereby benefitting both side of the agenda whilst the racial issues that weren't really an issue to start off with has now become a festering sore that'll get scratched over and over again, left bleeding until the infection becomes a full blown amputation. BTW does anybody know a way to find out how effective one's peace meditation had been for each session. There isn't any proper gauge or measure to determine this as I feel that just because one has dedicated ones fullest attention and effort to it doesn't necessarily mean that it was at all effective. The saying goes do not lose faith in the powers of Creation and ones judgement, seek and ye shall find, let one's own searching within determine the answer to thou that seek. But in my opinion this is not enough. Does anybody have any semblance of answers to this question? Thanks Cheers matt | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1060 Registered: 12-1999 |
Interesting article about the "real" carnage in Iraq. http://www.counterpunch.com/lindorff01172005.html | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 453 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Matt, Correct meditation is not easy at first, but Billy says that it is the ONLY way to get where we want to go. He calls it Creation's greatest gift to humans. The Salome peace meditation is not the same as this meditation that is described in Billy's books, which pays off internally in such a way that one is left with no doubt as to its effectiveness. I short, if you can't tell that it's working, you're not doing it right. It takes a whole book to describe. On the flagwavers ... cunning isn't it? But I gotta larf the way these white guys want the other newcomers to "go home". What do the Aboriginals make of that? Cheers! Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 395 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Scott Very informative article Scott. I am sure not many people have expected very much other than a doctored number of casualties in Iraq from of all source, 'The brooking Institute', another anglophile lackey run organization which dumbs down anything it is told to. This war is a vehicle for population control in the most horrendous of ways. Clearly to some anglophile oligarchs, the base race has been multiplying too much around the world that needs tending to. The sub races to them so to speak. The madness goes on. cheers Matt | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 396 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Dyson Yeah, it's definitely a work in progress But Dyson, do you also feel this when you perform your meditation, ever since I started the peace meditation and meditation in general, as soon as I get in the mode and start focusing on the salome verse, I get this cool tingling sense in my forehead as if someone was blowing cool air into this particular part. There occurs from time to time also, this overwhelming sense of built up energy around the chest area as the peace meditation reaches it's peak and as soon as this happens I have to stop because I couldn't contain this huge energy that seemed like I was going to burst from within. Would this be a common experience for you when you perform the salome peace meditation Dyson? cheers Matt | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 12-2006 |
Hello Members, I have a challenge for the "believers" here. I would like to ask any member here what they believe about the whole billy meier story? In my opinion, some of the people here are taking the texts sort of like a bible, placing blind faith or belief in every word, now I admit I am optimistic, but none the less I still question it all and that is my answer to the question I impose on the members today. in other words, who here is not blindly following or believing and still yet wait for a new day like I consider myself, to be doing, finding "my own truth". is it true, there is a statement from billy that we should research him as well, not to take his word for it, to a degree. *********************************** BTW, thanks again peter and jakes, your wisdom is appreciated. and scott, can you please throw up my last post that still has not made it here, I can always post my replies on my own website, where there is no controlling moderator to block me, which I did in my last audio interview and I would prefer to post it here. Someguy, Your post and a few other were not posted because they were continuing down the same avenue after I had asked people not to continue this discussion. One reason being it was taking up more space on the server among others. I really wish you would delve into this forum and Billy's teachings and study some of the many, many posts that have been made. You might come to understand why people are attempting to uncover what is really going on in the world and universe. As I see it people are in search of something beyond new age fakery and religious dogma. Scott Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 459 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Matt, Neither Vivienne nor I have experienced those sensations during meditation, nor are they described in Billy’s meditation book as being hallmarks of the phenomenon. But I still have a long way to go. Eventually, we can expect to see colors in our mind’s eye, but I won’t say which ones so as to avoid auto-suggestion. Correct meditation is difficult to learn because, for one thing, it can initially be confused with this auto-suggestion. I think it’s interesting that one of the books that neither Vivienne nor I would try to translate into English (the other is OM) is Billy’s meditation book, so the book that is the most valuable, and lets the practitioner gain access to the spiritual consciousness, is also the most difficult to gain access to itself. It’s like being forced to do a fitness program before you are allowed to climb Mt. Everest. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 186 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Renato there are way too many hoaxers and swindlers out there, we just do not want to include Billy Meier in that category despite many efforts done by governments and other people/beings to discredit Billy Meier. The material evidence is there, videos pics and metal samples. You confront Meier with Adamski, and Meier wins.You confront him with any other contactee and Meier always wins.Meier is the only one who is able to answer all kinds of questions which vary from genetics, astronomy, psychiatry, history....whatever.... The Meier bibliography is a ceaseless source of valuable information. What we do with the info is not Meier's problem, but ours.Figu rejects any kind of personal cult and blind acceptance of the teachings. | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 12-2006 |
hey I wanted to add I am willing to go get x-rayed for my implants if anyone here is wiling to pay for it, and must be in a safe and trust worthy environent, but that is the honest truth of it, you pay I will play. Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 12-2006 |
Hector, I understand that and I agree with what you are saying, I am not calling him a hoaxer, I want my one question answered by plejarens and it is that simple, I want to know if I fall in the catagory of the delusional people when it comes to my visions or thoughts or memories, and I feel I am taking action to get that answer, like I said before, I did not come here to fight with forum members, but I can certainly put up a good fight but I dont want it either way, I just want my answer, if billy is out to help the world he can add my question to his list, and another question is, does FIGU people actually talk to him? also, I recorded a skype conversation with an authentic x-member of FIGU and posted it on my site http://www.ufotimetravel.com if anyone is interested in checking it out. he wasnt happy with his experience to say the least. Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 06-2006 |
Someguy: "hey I wanted to add I am willing to go get x-rayed for my implants if anyone here is wiling to pay for it, and must be in a safe and trust worthy environent, but that is the honest truth of it, you pay I will play." Why would anyone here, or anywhere else for that matter, would want to pay for the x-rays to see if you have implants there, when wether you have them or not, means very little or nothing to anyone else else but you. This is something that you should have done a long time ago yourself to see if you really have them and not due to some type of mental/pyschological state of being. | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 12-2006 |
well I am calling you FIGU people out again, I watched the video again located at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-58090947832434855&q=billy+meier and at around 52 minutes into the video the man speaks of his experience with FIGU, he says the FIGU control all the information because billy handed it over to you, and the man in the video talks about how its all about making money and it leaning towards being a cult, now my as strait forward as I could be question to the FIGU organization is: is this true??? I know you dont owe me an explaination but whats going on now with spreading the message of the plejarens? seriously, no ego, no insults, I simply want the truth strait from the source, I want to know "my own truth". whats up with all that? again, my last post was not approved? Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1064 Registered: 12-1999 |
Someguy, I am not responding because you are calling FIGU people out again, but I am asking you do you know who the individual is in the video? I think if you had an idea about who this person is, you may take some of what has been said with a grain of salt. His name is Randolph (Randy) Winters and he was an advocate of Billy and FIGU in the late 80's and early 90's. Billy has since distanced himself from Mr. Winters for numerous reasons. Please read FIGU Bulletin number 8 for more information. There was some mention of the video on Dyson's website. Only ONE of your posts was not posted to the best of my knowledge, but I gave an explanation for that. Scott | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1093 Registered: 02-2000 |
R. Winters made money off a Billy's material & never paid Billy a cent, you be the judge. My Website | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 432 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Matt ; ' I was reading your post about the 'Rings and freemasons , and couldn't help but think how even that classic story has within it such materialism , the idea that power is dependent on an object . Mysticism is presented as something to be used for power , ironically the opposite of it's true worth . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 12-2006 |
thank you scott and norm, see that gives me a new perspective, I will research that guy and maybe call him out if I can find a way. Kindest Regards, Renato Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
James Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Someguy, I listened to the interview on your website. My impression was that you were stoned and not thinking clearly in the first part. I don't know if someone else here has asked you, but why do you smoke weed? The guy you were interviewing has a belief that Billy is lying about certain things. He has no proof or something worthwhile for us to consider. To answer your question about what I believe about all of this, is simply that I don't believe it. Though I place a lot of confidence in what is being said, I cannot truly fully believe this until I've taken a ride in a beamship myself OR until I've experienced a deep spiritually convincing meditation as described in the FIGU info. I don't think I'll be riding with Semjase or meditating like a God anytime soon so what keeps me most interested here is that a lot of the spiritual information simply resonates with my own thoughts and ideas of what a decent way of living should be about. Some people have accused FIGU of being a cult group, but if that's so then what label can we give the religions? Were not learning that we'll be damned to hell for all eternity if we question the existence of a God. We don't pray. We don't worship. We do of course revere CREATION (but not worship or bow down in humility to it! We just honor and love it because it gives us all that is here) because, after all, we had to be created by something and come from somewhere. And "Creation" is simply a fitting name for this force, right? And isn't it only natural that we want to know our roots? Where did we come from? What is the purpose? How can we make ourselves the best we can be? Nobody here should be worshiping Meier, God or anyone else. If they do then they are not listening to what is being taught and are only deluding themselves and giving FIGU a bad name. Like you said in your interview, this forum is very open but members will be very critical when new people present information that is out of line with the FIGU information. The onus is ultimately placed on such individuals to provide us with as much evidence as possible so we can consider if that story, out of all the other strange stories on the net, should be looked at more deeply. Welcome to Earth! | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 463 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Renato, Seek and you will find. Knock and the door will open. To paraphrase the Swiss aphorism, one cannot expect a roasted pigeon to fly into one's mouth. Please see: www.gaiaguys.net/randywinters.htm , linked from www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm and highlighted in bright red. Billy has survived 21 attempts on his life. The efforts made to derail the truth are in keeping with that sobering fact. Unlike Kal K. Korff (www.gaiaguys.net/meier.whatsnew.htm) who is openly hostile, Winters (now apparently on the run from the U.S. Federal Police for fraud) is far more dangerous, because for years he posed as a Meier supporter and told many lies, cunningly mixed into the truth, and those lies cannot be refuted unless one has read a great deal of the German language FIGU material. Many non-German speaking FIGU friends are still being misled, as you were, and - sadly - that will probably continue for a long time, given the ancient powers behind that effort. Salome, Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 397 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Marc Yeah, wholeheartedly agree with with you Marc on this. It's funny that, Matts post's got me thinking about so many other TV programmes, hollywood movies and literary works containing almost the same story line of the good vs the evil using violent means to triumph as the only way in which problems can be solved. Of course we know what the root of all evil is but to those not in the know, they seem to lap up such works with what I would term 'instinctual contenment'. As is the case in the movie Matt's talking of, everywhere around where I live, there is so much religious and masonic symbolism ingrained in old buildings, bronze statues, public utilities and services named after them among various other things. Matt | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 398 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Renato Hey man, Having to bit my lips all this time refraining from passing any judgements until I had checked out your website and your e-book, I cannot help but be critical on a number of things in your story which cannot be helped in light of what I thus know having studied billy's information along with voluminous other sources in the area of ufology. Now Renato, the voices of many fellow Figu members have been spoken and heard, so I won't add anything to the wise advices already imparted to you. I only hope that your participation here is an exercise of unbecoming and to extirpate yourself of false teachings towards genuine becoming through the vast knowledge you will gather as you apply yourself more to it. Only then will you understand the path you have tread towards becoming which will open your eyes wider to its real meaning and thus you will see the errors and understand clearly why fellow figu members here said the thing they've said. Come with us on this journey, suspend your objection and your beliefs for a bit and accumulate knowledge first by reading as much from the links provided and then do the questioning later as you'll fix and match various pieces of this huge jigsaw puzzle with the help from good wise fellow forum members here. Just be patient as things will fall into place as you put more effort into studying billy's teachings. Its never about believing it but arduously thinking your into knowledge and recognition. Cheers Matt | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 12-2006 |
thank you for your honesty james, I started smoking weed because I enjoyed it as a youth, why I still smoke it, the best answer I have is to fall asleep easy at night, my mind doesnt stop. and your right I was high when I spoke to wayne, LOL, I was about to go to sleep when the email conversation started then I called him to from curiousity. I am being honest now, please dont throw it in my face later on. dyson, despite the mixed signals you have given me thus far, i understand what you are saying, I am seeking with hopes to find indeed, and I guess I have no problem being strait forward about it as well, I am sick of being lied to by anyone, and it is quite a challenge to find truth these days it seems. matt, thanks for your encouraging words, I laid everything of mine on the table and I am searching for this truth, not just if there are really UFO and ET (I am kind of convinced it is reality) but now I want to know the next steps I suppose, the world has never felt right to me, I always felt a distrust and I guess it shows all to well. but I am trying to be as honest as I can and say exactly whats on my mind, I also feel like I have a message to expect a new reality soon, as in the next few years, I predict a mass landing and the world to change completely the days of this mass landing. I will add more soon, I will be back. Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1065 Registered: 12-1999 |
Someday, Did you read anything regarding Randy Winters? Scott | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 12-2006 |
yes I did scott, not many people have such nice things to say especially that forida incident, but I do think he was the victim of the florida thing maybe, I see his book for sale more than articles about him, but one thing of note is he really doesnt bring up the contact notes in his video, he talks more tech stuff in my opinion also there is some to-do over audio tapes he made, thats it so far, but I am not going to let his opinion influence me more than that I suppose, he led me to believe FIGU turned bad and I came here to judge that for myself. but I do not know who is actual members of FIGU here except michael horn and not even sure if that is really him, I only know who is a member of the forum and that is questionable as far as being anonymous. but I am not worried about that too much, I want my one question answered, I have my eye on the goal. I have one question for you "spiritual" beings here, why is it that I get nervous when I start feeling like I am floating when I try to meditate and I open my eyes? I am mad at myself for it. Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 433 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hey Matt ; What would it be like to see movies about someone in search of spiritual truth ? I would be glad to see it . In the meantime , davinci code and others at least get people asking questions and challenging the long assumed . I wonder about the progress of movies that were rumored about Billy , or other aspects of the information BTW , Marc is someone else ,easily mistaken spelling , since I use a c at the end for my last name . Should be a capitol C . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1066 Registered: 12-1999 |
Someguy, I think it would be prudent that anymore discussion of your use of "marajuana" be done privately. This is a public forum, and many people do read these posts. FIGU does not advocate or support the use of Illegal drugs. Any further discussion of this subject in regards to personnel use will be banned. Scott-Moderator | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 399 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Mark So sorry Mark, after awhile it seems the K became silent to my eyes for some weird reason like a blind spot inside a car. Thanks for graciously pointing this out Mark as often the discourtesy of getting someone's name wrong usually is ill received. You know,over the past year or so,I had contemplated on getting a short film together with a story line about spiritual journey a person embarks on and in the process spreading billy's teachings. It's still something I have kept in my mind and will embark on as I surmount some trying obstacles in my personal life right now. But its amazing you mention this because my desire to make a short film about spiritual matters was quiet intense the last several days. It's one of those weird moments again where I had mentioned this to Scott also as well as him having the same kind of experience,it seems our thoughts somehow permeate into our figu forum akashic record or something where our thoughts get picked up somehow by each of us as farfetched as it may sound. cheers Mark Matt | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2006 |
you got it scott, I do not think i brought it up though, it was thrown in my face and I think I defended myself more than advocate it, so you other people leave me alone when it comes to it, you heard scotty! Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 435 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Matt ; No not at all , not a big deal ,but words look just like words with no intention behind them except that Marc might answer you and say " what ? huh?" because about the discussion , he was out of the loop , since he wasn't in it . But the intention should be , I have found , only recognized by it's highest intention , that is , not about ego , or some imagined insult , but for a further reaching reason , like maybe Marc with a c and not a k had something important to do and it distracted him because he was bewildered that he didnt remember starting a conversation that you addressed his spelling-sake with , or for ,...., and therefore maybe I would see a response to my spelling-sake and actually read it .It's possible in theory , but so far noone cares too much ,not even me . But I'm confused by my post a little too . OK , on to the actual idea about a film - think it through , is all I can say ! Make it clever , and as a writer , it's often better to use indirect innuendo artistically speaking , than to approach it head-on , in a creative piece , unless of course you are hitting the topic as a documentary , and of course depending on it's distribution , it's a good topic for creative excercise . Just fuel for thought-travel . MC Mark Campbell | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 12-2004 |
Salome Someguy, First of all I would like to welcome you to the forum, and respect to your honesty. Regarding to your point about “FIGU Members”, I would just like to inform you about it. As for the FIGU community, it is split into four membership categories:- 1. Core Members (49) 2. Donation Members 3. SpiritLessons Studies Passive Members 4. Passive Members Nothing can be changed in the FIGU community unless “all“ 49 core members agree to it, all the members are treated equally and there is no hierarchy, all have the same privilege and no one is treated better then another. If you want more info on this issue there is on the figu.org a membership section. Here on the English forum there is only 1 Core Member that is Christian Frehner, he occasionally posts something’s. There are quite a few Passive Members as well, I don’t know all but there are a few. But the rest and majority of the members on the forum are just “Forum Members”. But as you might notice even on the forum there is no hierarchy nobody needs to mention who is a passive member as we are all humans in search for the truth. The German forum has many more core members and a higher percentage of passive members then the English. PS: If you wanted to contact Billy directly, either wait for the question and answer section to be opened, or send a fax or send a mail to FIGU. Good luck with your quest for the truth... Salome, Badr | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 02-2006 |
What job(s) do all the 49 core members do at Figu? Not meaning to sound like I'm expecting anything (more) from them for us or anything, but what does it involve doing and what do they do with their time at Figu? | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 12-2006 |
Salome Junior, Thank you for your welcome and respect, and I very much appreciate the information you provided me and other new visitors of this site with. I am going to send a letter to him probably on monday, I wil let you know if I ever get results. Kindest Regards, Renato (someguy) Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 139 Registered: 12-2004 |
Salome Vestri, Regarding the Core Group, I don’t think I can speak on behalf of them. But I might just give you a general view of how I saw it when I was there in the centre. The core group consists of normal humans, that have dedicated their life to helping the mission on a daily basis, and as you know the mission is quite a big one, so every one is doing something different, it can be working in the land or gardening, maintenance work, planning, translations, corrections, printing, transport, studying, accounting, paper work …etc just to mention a few. The work load is split accordingly and every thing is organised, and with their efforts has the mission reached to what it is now. They meet every month in the centre for various reasons. But they all still have normal jobs, and friends that are not necessarily FIGU members. Since their work in the centre is voluntary, they still need an income to survive in the material existence. Although Billy had established the FIGU he only acts as an advisor and not a decision maker, the decisions are done by all core members. In the end maybe Christan can give us a better picture or a short list of some of the things that they do, if he has a couple of minutes for us. But its hard to generalise every ones task since there is a lot going on. Salome, Badr | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hello Dyson, I just got around to noticing this morning that many of the products I use have the 3 swoosh emblem on them. Some of them are very obvious and others I may be stretching it a little, but it is VERY interesting that so many companies have the same idea when creating their labels. I've circled in red the emblems that I'm talking about. The comet emblem is hard to see, but there are three faint yellow swooshes under the words "scratch free" next to the yellow star. Salome, Ardie   | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1068 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Ardie, I was trying to find the post of Dyson's you are referring to? Scott | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1069 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Junior, To the best of my recollection, there are fewer than 49 core group members at this time. It seems I remember it being in the 30's the last I heard. There are 33 passive forum members, but some have been inactive for some time. Scott | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 12-2006 |
with all due respect, why is it the actual FIGU members do not participate in their own community? do they not have a message to spread correctly? is this a valid question here? Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Scott, It's been a little while, but I was referring to a link he posted showing certain symbols and labels connected to Freemasonry. http://www.gaiaguys.net/symbols.htm Ardie | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 404 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Mark It took me awhile to cover the basics and the logical conclusions are not wholly different to the wise advice of yours Mark. It's absolutely pertinent that rather than doing damage to the mission, the story has to be relatively and artistically perfect. All over the world and the city I live in, there is a fantastic short film festival held every year. So having to cram some part of or an episode of billy's life into short several minutes on film is very tricky. Of course I will seek advice when the time comes and more importantly permission to do so. In the mean time, little by little, the fundamentals and the basic ideas has to be considered. It'll be so fantastic though. cheers Mark Matt | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 140 Registered: 12-2004 |
Salome Scott, That is true, the core group is still not yet complete in number. The last time I heard was there were 7 left. Someguy, Good question, my thoughts is that those people might be too busy to be coming to the forum. They might be facing a few things in their life that doesn’t leave them time to check the forum, since the forum is not the centre of source of information for FIGU material it is not a necessity to be coming to the forum everyday. As in, if I didn’t have time to be checking the posts at work I wouldn’t do it at home, but for now I am around since I have sometime to look at the forum posts during work hours. Plus there are a lot of members that don’t necessarily have internet, maybe one day there might be more, but in the end one doesn’t need to be on the forum to study or spread the message. So in the end although there is a community it is not based on the forum, the community is based in Switzerland, where there is a meeting every year for the passive members. And they also visit all year round depending on where they come from and when they have time. From what I heard there are a lot of Japanese members (Highest Percentage), but I have not seen one in this or German forum, my guesses they don’t speak no English nor German. But most translated work from FIGU and Billy is in Japanese any ways. They are very hard working and motivated culture from what I see. Salome, Badr | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 12-2006 |
thank you junior, I am not assuming the worst, just wanted to point out an observation, I just think that if they are trying to spread this message of love and spirituality, perhaps more effort needs to be made, just my opinion, not trying to offend anyone. Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1074 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Someguy, I know some of the core group members, I can assure you they are human beings who have their own personal struggles as anyone else does. You don't have to be a FIGU member to spread love and spirituality. Just learning to be a decent human being and setting an example for others can go a long way in bringing about a better world. Scott | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 12-2006 |
Thank you scott, I agree, we must all try to set an example for others, I do not know if my example has been the best as far as things I admit to, but hopefully the love I feel and want to share with others shines through, I am here to do what I believe is my part and I know I may be a small part, but none the less I will do what I can to bring hope and peace to others. as far as the core members, I certainly understand everyone has their share of struggles so I do not hold it against them. Renato Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 193 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hey wouldn't it be cool if there was a FIGU group in Arizona USA? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 479 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear all, For the newbies: www.gaiaguys.net/hardlanguageoftruth.htm www.gaiaguys.net/Humandoesnotknowlove.htm Of course it goes without saying that eveybody's opinions are welcome here, but it is important that they are not seen examples of the renewed teachings, with which many contributors to this English-language discussion board are inadequately familiar. I do not exclude myself from this, as my behaviour here is not always a good example of the level of consciouness-related evolution to which we aspire, and I apologize for my somewhat heavy-handed natural barbarism in dealing with antilogos. Salome, Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 479 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Ardie, Thanks for that. I’m gonna pinch a couple of those! You are quickly learning their simple codes. It’s like scales falling from your eyes, isn’t it? Vivienne saw a new one on the side of a truck the other day in town which is very valuable because it joins two separate codes into one. You get the Wizards’ Sign/I Ching (denoting “heaven(s)”), plus the uncapped pyramid, as seen on the U.S. greenback. Pretty arrogant of them. Pride goes before the fall and a haughty air before destruction, as I read somewhere.  This two-codes-together sort of thing is one of the ways that military code-breakers do their work. (And there's "those" colors again!) My father as a Lt. Commander in the U.S. Navy on a destroyer escort in the Pacific Fleet during “The Big One” (WWII), and when I was I little kid he challenged me to give him a code he could not decipher. I was in jr. high school before I finally stumped him, and I had to use a (semi)random number generator and Spanish to do it. He wasn’t expecting Spanish. He taught me a lot about pattern recognition. Cheers! Dyson P.S. Beware the letter "X". | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 12-2006 |
hey truthseeker, were you a member of paranormalnetwork.net forum? there was a guy called jtruthseeker, is that you? Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Oo1oo1 New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hello, If you don’t mind my asking, what’s being transmitted in the codes? If it’s a secret, how would the unwashed public get anything from it? Does it evoke something like Billy’s code? If it’s being used for commercial purpose (gain) shouldn’t they be designing their codes to get us to buy their products and services, or at least think favorably of them? XEROX uses a double “X”. In marketing circles, that name is considered highly successful. So is KODAK with the double “K”. I think it has to do with the hard consonant sound on the end. For what it’s worth, Xerox’s new laser printers with the “toner sticks” suck. | ||
Oo1oo1 New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2007 |
How about EXXON? A real debaucher of the planet! | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 194 Registered: 03-2003 |
I think that site is long gone now so we need not worry about it any further. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 481 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Oo1oo1, Welcome. According to the FIGU material, symbols and color combinations, etc. do not transmit coded impulses, per se, in the same way Billy’s mandated codex works. (www.gaiaguys.net/kodex.htm). (An exception is the way the pedophile elite’s symbols work on post hypnotic victims of trauma-based mind-control programs, etc.) As I wrote on www.gaiaguys.net/symbols.htm, Freemasonry employs symbols and/or colors to communicate in secret among those criminals in the know. So it’s like their (formerly) secret hand signals, handshakes and phrases. It’s just a way of secretly identifying one another, and communicating in secret, for instance during a court case. But of course, the code is so transparently simple that anyone can lean it. For instance, Aleister Crowley’s Book of the Law (www.gaiaguys.net/book.of.law.htm) tells us, “I,60: My number is 11, as all their numbers who are of us. The Five Pointed Star, … My colour is black to the blind, but the blue & gold are seen of the seeing.” So blue and gold are clues (stylized to violet and yellow-to-orange) as are equilateral triangles, point up. Now look at the logo on these faked stolen photographs:  These are from http://www.universe-people.com/english/img_2000/obr2051.jpg http://www.universe-people.com/english/img_2000/obr2050.jpg It tells you, through the equilateral triangles, point up, and the color combinations, who’s behind it. Incidentally, Freemasons call non-Freemasons, “the profane”. Something tells me the future for them holds more profanity, as the profane start to learn their nasty tricks. It’s not the hard consonants. It’s the “X” as in Korff’s “eXposé” link, X-mas, X-files, TerraX, Exopoitics, X-zone, X-conference, and many many more. That naturally does not mean that any X means that there is a connection, but it is a good indicator when the other factors are also present. "Exxon"? Whaddaya reckon?! ;-) Salome, Dyson. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi all, I know theres been a little discussion here just recently about the movie "V for Vendetta" but i just found this on the net and thought it was worth posting. It is an interesting edit of some scenes from the movie V For Vendetta mixed with scenes from 911. It points out a lot of similarities between 911/Bush & co and the movie. I thought it was very interesting and would like some feedback on what some people here think. It is 7 minutes long. "V" for Vendetta: the 9/11 Mix http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14615.htm | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Dyson, I just saw a Carnival Cruise Lines commercial on television. In big letters across the screen, it said "CarnivalxCruise Lines. Now, I suppose I will see X's all over the place! Thanks a lot! Ardie | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 198 Registered: 03-2003 |
Interesting link. I actually saw the movie last April on the 1st and took note of the day November 5, to see if something interesting would happen on that date later in the year. Of course nothing happened, but the events which were to follow 2 days later on November 7, 2006, did not go unnoticed. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Truthseeker, when I watched the film V for Vendetta a while ago, i failed to notice that the film had quite a few similarities with the 911 event. Not till after seeing that short edited movie clip of V For Vendetta mixed with some 911 clips from that link did it strike me that there was. Do you think its possible that the producers of that V for Vendetta film may have tried to raise some awareness on 911 issue with Bush & co, regarding with those similarities? There seemed to be too many there to be just all co-incedence I think, but I'm not really sure. I wouldn't mind hearing what anyone else thinks about that who watched that clip. "V" for Vendetta: the 9/11 Mix http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14615.htm | ||
Mario Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hey Dyson, This is something you might recognize... (Left) Mexico's original national symbol and (right) what former president Vicente Fox did with it. (Note that F=6, O=6, X=6).  President GWB and ex president Fox had a peculiar hand shake!  Look at those thumbs! They rehearsed many times, I think...  It was not unusual that Fox touched GWB arm when they held hands.  Maybe these tender images earn a place in your collection. Best regards Mario | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 483 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Ardie, Yes, there are X's all over the place, but naturally many of them could be innocent, so it’s always worth looking for supportive clues which shorten the odds, like the Illuminati ellipse (all-seeing eye), the OTO/Freemason blue& gold color theme, and the Wizard’s mark. Cruise lines are notorious for obvious reasons. It’s the fastest “foreign language” that anyone can learn because it’s so simple, yet very informative.  I did a google image search of “Carnival Cruise Lines” and found all of the above very quickly. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 485 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi guys. Bush doesn't seem to do Freemason handshakes. www.gaiaguys.net/Latham.Howard.04.htm Why would you, when you are a member of THE BROTHERHOOD OF DEATH, a.k.a. "Skull & Bones"? www.gaiaguys.net/Skull-and-Bones.htm "It is not possible to bring the (9/11) case and the people to justice because this will be prohibited/prevented by the CIA and the most powerful U.S. secret sect 'Skull and Bones'." - Billy Salome, Dyson | ||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello Mario, F=8 O=7 X=6 8+7+6=21=3 Sorry! | ||
Artie3000 Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hello Billy Today is Your 70th birthday, so I wish You next 70 years in health, peace and happiness. Greetings Arthur | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 200 Registered: 03-2003 |
You know everyone I suppose I should have brought this up before to clear it up. Back in 1992, I remember meeting this guy who was like a former member of the Rosicrucian Order of AMORC, who once informed me that Scottish Rite Freemasons were in-fact the original founders of all the following groups: -Yale University's Skull and Bones. -The Rosicrucian Order of AMORC -Aleister Crowley's Ordo Templi Orientis -The Golden Dawn -The Bavarian Illuminati -The Jewish Zionists -Munich Germany's Thule Society -Helena Theosophical Society Then when I met this guy again by chance this past summer I asked him about it again to clarify if all these different groups where in fact one and the same with the Freemasons as I had formerly assumed. To my surprise he said, "No the groups are not a part of the Freemasons, however, like the Freemasons, there is a much higher secret order which goes around to all these groups to recruit or invite or choose people from the highest degrees to become a part of this secret order and that's the one that involves the Freemasons". So feel free to now comment if any of you know more about this or if it's true or not. James Truthseeker | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 201 Registered: 03-2003 |
Correction... the last group should read as, -Helena Blavatsky's Theosophical Society | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 01-2007 |
Dear Forum friends I thought that I would take this opportunity to share this beautiful morning photograph of the waning crescent Moon and the Pleiades star cluster. Picture was taken from Menton in the French Riviera. I feel that looking at this wonderful photo makes me think about our Plejaren brothers and sisters just beyond this beautiful star cluster, it seems to bring them just that little bit closer to us. Enjoy Mike  Credit & Copyright Vincent Jacques. | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 08-2006 |
Beautiful Mike, thanks for sharing. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 418 Registered: 07-2005 |
These vermins are infested in every nook and cranny of this world. How many more there are, it boggles the mind to even contemplate about. What deep seated underlying causes turns people into beasts that rears its ugly head to give rise to such evil acts. Were they also victims who are now perpetuating the same pains they were also subjected to. And where in the mind of these men does this evil reside in that drives them to psychopathically and quite abjectly disconnect with their own conscience to make such abhorrent acts possible within the realm of their own immediate world. And how can these people even think about rationalising away their despicable acts with such excuses as 'oh, they'll be alright, we are just having a little fun here, nothing wrong with having a bit of fun is there and besides they'll grow out of it'. http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/2360-suspects-in-global-child-porn-ring/20070207063109990001 | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 498 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Newinitiation, You ask:"What deep seated underlying causes turns people into beasts ... ?" Easy. It's part of their religion. From www.gaiaguys.net/bloodonthealtar.htm : Given his own use of sexual magick, the bisexual Crowley preached that all perversions should be practised openly, and that "all children shall be accustomed from infancy to witness every type of sexual act." Mr. Heimbichner comments that "his advice has been taken to heart by the Hollywood entertainment industry and the New York publishing houses," whilst some OTO members have promoted "man/boy love." Salome, Dyson | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 219 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hey Matt, I hear you >>>> Feb 9-07 your post regarding internal turmoil about progressive spiritual learning and relationships... would you like to have a coffee (before I quit my one and only vice?)and a chat? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 419 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thanks melli for the comforting gesture of trying to lend a hand and it does uplift one's spirit somewhat in knowing that genuine goodwill exists in the hearts and minds of people especially on this forum. I do feel like a bottom feeder for having let go of my self restraint in burdening others of what amounts to a personal issue I am way too old enough to deal with on my own. I am sure it'll come slowly but surely. I would love to meet you Melli seeing as you a fellow aussie practically next door to me. But in a better time when I have cleaned my own house in order and achieved a better state of mind where I can accomodate you in person with happy spirits and can offer more of my being than just the burdens which have accumulated in my mind through various personal issues that I am dealing with now which I am afraid may rub on you in a negative way although it is your intention of helping me unload some of it. I am endeavouring to fix my own problems and come away a more enlightened person who has learnt from this experience. Thanks once again Melli for the human touch and your concerns. PS, Melli do you have a e-mail address I can contact you in the future. Cheers Matt | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 06-2005 |
No problems Matt. In the meantime I highly recommend this simple spiritual medication for the Psyche: when it's peaceful and quiet around you, Light a candle and practice daily The 12 Affirmations According to Billy. I already feel a difference and it has been only three weeks, no matter how down I feel I remember the small benefits that I do feel after I practice them so I cannot stop now on any whim. I have an aim: a personal evolution of 10 years achieved in ONE year only. (that's according to what our friend Scott wrote) Please email me anytime: carouselle1@yahoo.com.au | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 223 Registered: 06-2005 |
Here, at the southern end of our blue planet we cannot see the Pleiades star configuration so I thought I will search for the Aquarius constellation instead? can anybody help: does anybody know at which direction I am suppose to look and what is its configuration, what am I suppose to see? I have to admit that I don't know where the Southern Cross is either,(so ignorant, sorry) where are these two in relation to each other? | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 08-2006 |
Dear Melli, You should be able to see the Pleiades;they are near the constellation Hyades and the star Aldebaran. On the 23/24 of Feb the Moon occults the Pleiades, thereby making it easy to find. I refer to: www.abc.net.au/science/features/summersky;here you can download the Eastern Evening Map.At www.space.com/spacewatch/sky_calendar you can download the Full Colour Sky Chart. Orion in our southern sky we recognise in part as "The Pot". Not far from the handle is the brightest star in the night sky Sirius(our GM origin)-below is the prominent orange star Betelgeuse which together with the bright white star Procyon forms an equilateral triangle. The Pleiades are roughly off to the left and down. Beta Centaurus(re Arrusem as well as the Atlanteans & Muans) is one of the 2 pointers(2nd brightest) which identify "The Southern Cross" of 4 stars forming the cross plus 1 weaker star. In Brisbane viewing is affected by the city lights, but I will observe just the same. I hope you see this posting in time. Charles. | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Charles and Melli I just wanted to add to what Charles has given to find the Pleiades in our Australian Eastern sky. I am an hour north of Brisbane, so, it may be slightly different in Melbourne. I have always thought that I could see it, but noticed that it stands out if I look slightly away from it, and I can see the cluster in the peripheral vision. Maybe I have not been looking at what i thought though :-) Here is a link to a site that explains how to find it. I think it interesting that the Japanese name for the Pleiades is 'subaru', a well known brand of car in Australia. here is the link: http://www.navaching.com/naji/pleiades.html there is also a program that is free called Starfinder, that you can download. It is quite basic, but can be fun to play with and look out at the sky at the same time. Robjna | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 06-2006 |
an addition to my last post here is a link to the Sydney Observatory. On this page, you can listen to a podcast or read the transcript, of the night sky from the east coast of australia, and download a skymap for Feb 07 as well. You can go outside, listen to the podcast and..... I think when the rain clears here, will do this --- great to do with the kids Melli http://www.sydneyobservatory.com.au/blog/?p=324 Robjna | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 227 Registered: 06-2005 |
Thanks for all the help and much appreciated as always. I'll get busy and I will watch the stars on the 23/24. BTW, why are some stars twinkling while others do not? is it the nature of physics whereby matter and gases collide and unite? | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 167 Registered: 03-2004 |
Earth's atmosphere is turbulent. When light from stars passes through the atmosphere, it gets refracted from the straight line path. As a result of this, the light reaches us from different points in the sky. These directions are actually very close to each other but not the same. This shifting of the image results in what we call twinkling. Twinkling can effect objects with size smaller than the shift caused by atmosphere, therefore, only stars twinkle and not the Sun, Moon or the Planets. -quote from a website | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1091 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, Yesterday was Ash Wednesday for many Christians...as I noticed these smudges of Ash on people's foreheads it got me thinking....If Christianity is considered the Anti-logos or against the truth,,,,couldn't these marks on people's heads be considered the Mark of the BEAST??..... Scott | ||
Oo1oo1 Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hello Scott, But isn't the BEAST the supercomputer in Brussels, Belgium? I always thought the mark of the beast was the bar code insignia. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1092 Registered: 12-1999 |
Oo1oo1, Yes of course your right, I was just being satirical | ||
Mario Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 03-2004 |
Scott The image you present is very interesting as a metaphor, because christian priests put the ash smudge on the person's forehead (what is called the third eye in India), exactly in the direction where the Superior Colliculus is located, the place where the spirit resides... Best regards Mario PS Here you can see the superior colliculus, which has the shape of a heart and it is connected with some important eye nerves... so I think the saying "eyes are the mirror of the soul" (delete the word 'soul' in the saying and place 'spirit' instead) is not that far from truth. http://brainmaps.org/index.php?dirname=HBP2/c.aethiops/AGM1/AGM1-highres/&file=HBP2/c.aethiops/AGM1/AGM1-highres/385/&viewerZoom=1&win=max | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 152 Registered: 05-2004 |
A quote from Jimmy Carter this week: "Carter, 82, was addressing a forum at Atlanta's Emory University in which he detailed his involvement in the Middle East culminating in the Camp David Accords in 1978. He gave a robust defense of the book and responded to written questions. "Israel will never find peace until it is willing to withdraw from its neighbor's land and to permit the Palestinians to exercise their basic human and political rights," he said." WOW!! I read this already before... From the Talmud of Jammanuel, Chapter24, para 49 "Even in the New Age will bring you neither rest nor peace until you retreat from the land you took by force, or until you make a conciliatory peace , create brotherly trust and unity with your enemies, and renounce your wrongful and stolen right" Comforting to see there are still wise decent people that still know how to use a brain. Eric | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 735 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott and Oo1oo1.... Satirical or not..... I noticed this the last week, also. And what is it Billy/Semjase once said: The mark of the Beast/Anti-LOGOS is WRITTEN on Their Forehead(s)! So, I would not see it as being so Satirical...after all! And we know by now: what the Christosian Cross/Symbol....stands for, and represents!! Edward. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 516 Registered: 03-2004 |
That's a great find, Eric! It makes me wonder how much Carter REALLY knows about the ET presence. Here's another quote: President Jimmy Carter: “If I become President, I’ll make every piece of information this country has about UFO sightings available to the public, and the scientists. I am convinced that UFOs exist because I’ve seen one...” - The National Enquirer, June 8, 1976; confirmed by White House media liaison Jim Purks, in a letter dated April 20, 1979. ( www.gaiaguys.net/DPBriefingDocument.zip , linked from www.gaiaguys.net/ufology.htm ) By the way, I've added some news items to our translation of FIGU Special Bulletin #31, (about Israel & Iran) @ www.gaiaguys.net/meier.p14-16sb31.htm Cheers! Dyson | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 228 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hey Dyson, are you aware of any party in Aust. actually reading your translations of Billy's material? Or shall I forward some info. to a few media outlets and all parties offices? with the link in the above post (Bul.#31) I am so tempted! | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 518 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Melli, A LOT of them READ our translations (etc.), according to our server statistics, but they are evidently frozen in horror....or denial! Certainly a lot of Freemason Temples have closed down around here (they now meet in pivate dwellings) and a lot of politicians have left politics because of us. But I was told personally (on the telephone) by Mr Peter Ellem, the Walkey Award winning editor of our local Grafton (NSW) Daily Examiner, "There is a total black ban (by the corporate media) on your website." We understand that Peter is a high-ranking Freemason. Similarly, you will see that that "total black ban" extends to politicians, (and lately the judiciary) who will threaten to sue us, but will not reply to our polite correspondence. www.gaiaguys.net/defamation.case.htm www.gaiaguys.net/Defamation3.2.03.htm www.gaiaguys.net/OTO.burns.htm See for yourself. By all means do try to tell them the truth, but first understand who pulls their strings. (I always thought talkback radio was a way to get a foot in the door.) Besides, if this: www.gaiaguys.net/DisclosureprojectAustrepli.htm was all we could get from our stupid, venal, pig-ignorant Australian Federal Parliamentarians about the DISCLOSURE PROJECT, what sort of reaction do you think you would get about the Plejaren Federation?!?!?!?!? :-O Cheers! Dyson | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Dyson Jimmy Carter seemed a sincere humanist and honest man, perhaps that's why the Plajaren thought a contact was possible in 1979? http://www.gaiaguys.net/ET.to.USA.1979.htm (i guess you don`t mind i quote your site!!) Salome Eric | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 229 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hey Dyson, I am glad to know that infact many of our corrupt politicians read your website, I certainly do my bit to encourage the readership. While at the same time that I am fully aware that "The Silent Revolution of Truth" is underway I feel that before the Change there will be stormy times and it will be the people who will rise from the bottom up not the other way around therefore I address my comments directly to those who are not in government. I often wonder what "they' make of the comments I make at home while they have their eaves dropping facilities on most of the waking hours for the past 6 years or so? I usually leave the radio on so they can enjoy some clasical music while they get bored out of their brains waiting for juicy stuff to be heard. I also once left on for hours the sound recording of Semjase's spaceship. Vile, I say Vile! | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 522 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Eric, Of course I don't "mind" if you quote our site. :-) We say up near the top of our front page, "In the spirit of Freedom of Information, PLEASE share what's here as widely as possible. You need no further permission from us to do so." (We are the exact reverse of a commercial organization. Due to horrendous bandwidth fees, the more readers we have the more expensive it is for us, but we do what we can to try to save Earth from where it’s so rapidly headed.) Regarding Jimmy Carter ... He is not a humanist. He is a Christian. He is a Bohemian Grove attendee. www.infowars.com/exclusive_new_bg.htm That puts pay to the idea that he is all that he appears to be, in my opinion. Sadly, if there is an honest politician out there somewhere, I have yet to learn of her/him. (Anybody reading this: please let me know if you know of one, and contact details.) And what of Carter's promised ET disclosure? I reckon the Plejaren knew damn well that the 1979 USA - ET contact initiative was doomed, and did it to prove just that point. Salome, Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 423 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Melli How are you Melli Did I just read what I think you meant or did you actually say :- "I often wonder what "they' make of the comments I make at home while they have their eaves dropping facilities on most of the waking hours for the past 6 years or so?" How did you find out Melli that you were being monitored or is this just an assumption of yours? It is somehow disconcerting to even contemplate that we are at all interesting enough subjects for them to monitor. After all most of us here are just down to earth regular folks leading regular lives. But then again, who knows Cheers Melli | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 424 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Dyson, if I had a suggestion John Howard is a great example of a man who epitomises the great qualities of leadership, strength, morality, goodness, honesty, responsibility, justice, fairness, compassion, generosity, humour, dignity, respect, intelligence, competence, ethics, etc Wow, how I wish it were true Matt | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 525 Registered: 03-2004 |
WOW Matt! For a moment there I thought you had gone completely barking MAD! www.gaiaguys.net/howlink.htm :-) Salome, Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 429 Registered: 07-2005 |
Ha Ha Ha It felt that way when I wrote the first sentence Just thought I'd rouse some nee jerk reaction for some laughs. Speaking of pollys I lament the assimilation of Peter 'the midnight oil' to the labour "Borgs" where the transformation is completed and the body snatchers have sucked all living juice out of a man once touted as a leader of the environmental movement back in his genuinely concerned for the environment days with his often amusing jerky gyration of his body as a man frustrated but never in doubt. Gees they all turn out the same Twisting, repatching, reinventing, ripping, obfuscating, sneaking, diverting, all honest facts and moulding reality with words to suit. cheers Matt | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 232 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hey matt, No it is not an assuption on my part, "they' "Echelon" listen in and monitor every 4th or 5th household, how else do you reckon 'social engineering' is revised and executed especially prior to election time when the frenzy in the media builds up? Think about it: many people discuss politics at home and what better way to know how to manipulate the minds of those who listen to the airwaves and read the papers. The internet and chat rooms are yet another way to monitor the social reaction to govenment political mangement of the often revised public laws, amendements etc. In the old days people would dob in their friends and even family members so they have progressed somewhat and in about 10 years or less israel will unleash a new sophisticated Fly that will be able to fly into a room from anywhere and send direct audio or moving images of targets. When I read what will be in the future, I feel depressed because I cannot change a thing and thinking that children will be born into 'mind slavery' just sickens me to my stomach. I also know that my emails are screened because it takes 2 days for my own email that I sent to myself to come into my inbox. Quiet often I can hear them switching ON the device and then I hear hissing like noise emenating from the receiver, the same is heard when I actually speak on the phone, then at night I hear it go off again; the phone line dies for about 2 seconds everytime. I am monitoring the monitors myself and my list is very long indeed.(funny hey?) How do I know that I am being listened to? my own phrazes and quirky saying and counter arguments are repeated on t.v. Paranoid? No not at all, it's reality but it makes me angry that I am a part of this degenerate society, I cannot understand why and how my spirit has chosen this particular time and age. WHY? That is why I was asking you why do you presume that some people are influenced by telenotic devices? for me that's another issue and who knows but I am searching for answers anyway? I often wish I could live away from it all. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 739 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Melli.... I generated an image for you viewing the 'Pleiades-M45' in the night mode from location Melbourne. You did not mention where your own location is/was, so I just took Melbourne for this setting. If you look at the image, you can see 'M45' which is the Pleiades in the green lettering. So, the Pleiades is there in your night sky, but may be very small to see with the naked eye. I do have to add, that the visualization is from the West; and programmed for Tonight: 24.00u. And is in principle, visual from the East up to the West...positioning. The West is best viewed and centered, so you can obtain the idea....where it is located. Edward.  | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 432 Registered: 07-2005 |
Oh, Melli what you said I agree with. From what I've read over the net, the secret military technologies are so mind bogglingly sophisticated that it'll make 'echelon' look like something out of an 1800's invention. The electro magnetic mind control technology enables sensors to pick up individual brain wave pattern enabling it to identify a specific person in the radius of 5 meters at 30,000 feet high altitude. So in effect they already know where osama bin ladin is. The compartmentalised nature in the production of these technologies means very few people know about the overall aim and purpose of them not to mention the complete picture. So truly I do not doubt what you are saying. Not to bore you with already mentioned fact about my peculiar U/IFO sighting but the gentle little tap like recognition which made me look up to the sky in a brief precognitive way, I think was done using electro magnetic means. Another incident where all of us had the occasion of seeing 2 dimensional blue gray tinged clusters of orbs I think were also done telenotically using electro magnetic means. It seems to be there for our particular viewing Melli as it seemed to synchronize their movement with our thought pattern, this I also think they did using electro magnetic means. So truly I cannot discount how unfathomably developed the electro magnetic technologies of our terrestrial science is based on the research and back engineering of roswell ET craft. cheers Matt | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 233 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Edward, I thank you very much for the image, it's very kind of you to go to that much trouble. Shame though that the night was cloudy as most of the nights are lately but I will be looking up more closely from now on. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 741 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Melli.... No need to thank... As you can see, the image is a 'mirror image' of what we see here in Europe; this may not be the case? I had a number of coordination and polar data of Melbourne, and they all were quite different from each other! So, I thought to post one of the images..from the majority calculations, that were similar. The other calculations show M45 too low under the equator; and I did not think that was correct? So, if the 'mirror image' is not correct, anyone(in Australia or elsewhere) ....please say so, OK? It could just be that even in Melbourne M45 can be seen just as we do here in Europe!? Without the mirror imaging of it.... Edward. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Dyson, What what we do without you? From the above post by Edward, can you maybe add the necessary info. to complete the puzzle for us Melburnians? Thanks, | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 528 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hiya Melli, I’m glad to try to help, but the best way is to ask a knowledgeable person to point out the Pleiades at the time, if you are at a get-together some early evening in the warmer months. For city people – and most Earthlings are - the trouble with most star maps is, they give you too much. (No. The sky is not a mirror-image in the Southern Hemisphere, but it is upside-down.) And it’s hard to find the few wan points of light that are visible in the light-polluted sky on a crowded astronomical photograph taken under ideal dark-sky conditions, or a detailed chart showing thousands of (basically invisible) low-magnitude stars. Anyway, for Melbourne, wait until the Moon gets out of the way, so you have a good view of the dark northern horizon, then, this time of year, look low north-northwest in the early evening. Try to find the part of the sky that looks like the below. The red dot to the right is the belt of Orion. The red rectangle represents the area of the photograph. Follow Orion left and look for Aldebaran, then see it in the upside-down “V” that is Taurus, then look further to the left (West) and – as Robjna suggests – try to see the little cluster of stars (Pleiades) out of the corner of your eye (if it’s dark enough), or borrow a pair of binoculars. Good luck! Cheers! Dyson  | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 743 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Melli and Dyson... Yes, thanks for confirming the 'Upside down' info. I was aware of that, though. And am familiar with your data, but...I did not seem to find the correct - coordinations and Polar - data. Melbourne seems to have ssoooooo many different data on this, as I have encountered! So, this is how the 'mirror image'(upside down) was generated. In Europe we see it coming in from the left to right going down, and in the image, it coming in from right to left....down(and upside down). So, I was not too sure. I thought maybe someone who lives in Melbourne could give me the correct coordinations and Polar(North,South,West,East) data, to compare and to verify... The Polar data is somewhat tricky! It is not given all the time, and if it is given, they differ each time, in other data's. If the correct Polar data is not given, that One can be way off! Than it generates a totally different Sky Map! This was my main question. Edward. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 240 Registered: 06-2005 |
HI edward, Thank you for your efforts again, and of course to you too Dyson. Unfortunately I can't help I am a mere novice in the full sense of the word but maybe Matt could? I am not sure my pressuption is right I may be wrong but I thought his work pertains to air traffic? Planes? sky? maps and calculations etc...? | ||
Ascendant New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2007 |
Hello, long time observer, first time poster. I'm curious if someone can possibly confirm some particular "contactees". I found Jani King online and what vexed me was how she was charging to talk to a Plejaren, and why one would agree to it. I did search the forum and I just wanted confirmation. Also could use a heads-up for any fakes regarding Pleadian contacts, thanks. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 213 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Ascendant and welcome to figu, There's plenty of pertinent info regarding so called Pleadian/Plejaren contactees ( Billy is understood to be the only one for this planets needs) and a simple search in this site will expose you to what gets discussed here. I myself ran across the Jani King info and personally found it to be a profit driven attempt to swindle the seekers of the space-farers knowledge as well as a tool of the disinformation agenda . a friend in america Shawn | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 536 Registered: 03-2004 |
Jani King info can be found @ www.gaiaguys.net/whatptaahreallysays.htm It's linked about two-thirds of the way down www.gaiaguys.net/meier.whatsnew.htm Cheers! Dyson | ||
Ascendant New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2007 |
Clearly, this was my suspicion. I just wanted to see if Billy clarified it. I didn't think a higher life form, who was psychic to boot (to know the contactee's true intentions) would choose someone so horrifically unscrupulous who would charge for the chance. I certainly wouldn't :P Thanks Kingman and Dyson. Look forward to more dialog with you lot. -Andrew | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 747 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dyson.... Will post here...knowing this has nothing to do with the Twin Towers, OK. I think I did my Homework very well! With all respect to your input, here and so forth.... I think you should examine your 'Conspiracies' which are Not FIGU related. Try not to get FIGU's materials 'Mixed-up'...dear Dyson! In such manner, that you can get the many FIGU boardees, here...really confused! You may know that this was once mentioned...here as well as at the PL'sRReal board. Just to 'refresh' your memory. Some boardees...were also Conscious...of this and made their remarks of the concerning. I would stick to ONLY the FIGU dialogs, as you may know from me. What ever is your own...conclusion, well...I leave it up to you. Which speaks for itself. If it is not in the FIGU materials: it is best not to look for thinks...that are not there... "If You Seek Truth....Seek Truth Very Subtle....." as an asian saying goes. Best of work....dear Dyson..... Please see this as a 'Constructive' common... Edward. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 551 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Edward, Thank you for the constructive criticism, which is always welcome, but I’d need some help with the construction of a way of keeping my mentioning of the material presented within the FIGU material strictly separated from the material to which it points, but does not mention by name. After all, that is the way this ET stuff works. They tell us where and how to look and how to recognize the truth when we see it, and we have to find it ourselves. For instance, very simple logical deductions based on the clear and obvious information about the Bafath and Henn point to the main perpetrators of the planet’s problems, and supplementary information from separate sources which supports and independently corroborates what Billy and the Plejaren teach us – in my opinion – should never be held separate from discussions about the FIGU material per se, (even when people ignorant of the distinction between the two categories might be confused). Indeed, I think I have an obligation to reveal these findings when I can do so in such a way that they can be logically scrutinized by independent researchers and either nailed down or thrown out. Regarding your mention of Christian’s remark to me here about the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (www.gaiaguys.net/protocols.htm) and how I should not look for things which are not there (or words to that effect) you will note that he never replied to my friendly request to provide some refutation of the sources of my stance. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/6056.html And – from the mention by Billy and Ptaah in the contact notes (Vol 8, p. 125) of his research - it looks like it was misleadingly superficial, as evidently intended for understandable reasons. I append in full the material from core group member and author Hans-Georg Lanzendorfer which we translated and published @ www.gaiaguys.net/Meier.Mondv6p70.htm and ask you to please consider the facts and circumstances after you've laboriously dug them up and when you identify them. Like the Meier material, you will not find these data in the corporate press. (Please see www.gaiaguys.net/mediacorruption.htm ) The profoundly advanced intelligence of Billy and our extraterrestrials friends is underestimated at one’s peril. I loathe the idea of people just taking my word for anything, and I similarly loathe the idea of anybody just unthinkingly taking Billy’s (and/or the Plejaren’s) word for anything. Diligent students (of the [1] renewed teachings and [2] the accompanying prophecies and the more prosaic current world-events material) will know that that is not a good idea for two reasons covering those two categories. One – dogma is to be avoided. It’s pure antilogos. Two – the evolving and sometimes internally contradictory nature of these communications compels us all to think independently and come to our own logical conclusions about just where the truth is likely to be. The Plejaren data about so-called “crop circles” (if not the WTC!) provide some of the most salient examples. Please see: www.gaiaguys.net/Meier.puzzlesolution.htm So I do my best to provide specific references when I’m writing here about specific FIGU information, and at all other times, unless I specify otherwise, my conclusions are my own and I really do welcome logical evidence to challenge my ideas or theories that I can scrutinize. My reasoning is stochastic and my methodology is scientific, so I offer my ideas in the hope that I can be logically proven wrong if not logically supported. With that in mind, when people here insinuate that international criminal conspiracies are not a ruling factor of Earth humans’ existence, given that a huge percentage of the FIGU material elucidates this, (21 assassination attempts?!) then I ask that they check their pulse. And if you, dear Edward, or others here assert that soft aluminum aircraft can turn hard reinforced steel to powder I ask – without acrimony – that they read up on the pertinent material sciences, if not just follow the links provided and make some logical deductions about the less technical information which can be found there. In short, as Billy teaches, people should ever let anybody do their thinking for them. As is explained in his short booklet “Those Who Lie About Contacts … (etc.), a prophet must sometimes speak circuitously, and an alert reader can discern this careful circumlocution particularly in sensitive and unfolding topics like the September 11th Massacre. I’ll take your advice on board, old friend, and try harder in the future to more closely identify the exact source of my assertions when they are directly from the FIGU literature, as I did here: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/1497.html?1173508686#POST25829 (…although arguably I should not have posted that in a “non-FIGU-related” thread). Otherwise, please just assume – as I always do when I read un-attributed claims here – that they are solely the responsibility of the writer, even if he, she or it uses a cryptonym. And I ask that everybody here please do the same with me. I’m grateful that we have all found a place here where we can openly and bluntly share constructive criticisms which are devoid of bad feelings and what the diplomats call “critique rancor”. As to looking for things that are not there, I merely ask you to look at our opening webpage and draw your own logical conclusions about what you find there, as long as you are prepared to look below the surface. Cheers! Dyson The below is an unofficial translation of a short excerpt from an outstanding article by core-group member Hans-Georg Lanzendorfer, which was published in FIGU Special Bulletin #28 in September 2006. www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/s28/nasa.htm Hans's article includes various selected excerpts from the Contact Reports which go into some detail about the Apollo 11 hoax, and the below translation has been made to demonstrate that - due to FIGU's unique status - irresponsibly publishing everything known to be true could result in fatal danger to the FIGU members at the SSSC. Had someone openly asked FIGU whether people had landed on the Moon in 1969, FIGU would have had no other choice but to reply, "FIGU Switzerland distances itself from claims that the Apollo 11 Moon landing was not genuine." Logic suggests that there may indeed still be other matters of equal or even greater sensitivity that might elicit the same reply, and for the same prudent reasons. Es ist ein schöpferisches Gesetz, dass sich fruchtbarer Samen allmählich im stillen entwickelt, um eines Tages kraftvoll ans Licht der Welt zu stossen. It is a creational law that fertile seeds gradually, quietly develop, to one day powerfully thrust into the light of the world. Anfang der 1990er Jahre waren in den Medien plötzlich vereinzelte Meldungen und Informationen zu vernehmen, die einen möglichen Betrug, bewusste Fälschung oder eine politisch motivierte Inszenierung der ersten angeblichen Mondlandung in den Raum stellten. At the start of the 1990’s, suddenly there were isolated reports and information to examine in the media that a possible deception, deliberate falsification, or a politically motivated staging of the first alleged Moon landing had been put in place. In der FIGU-Kerngruppe wurde dieses Thema bereits früh und Jahre zuvor schon besprochen und durch die ausserirdisch-plejarischen Quellen erläutert. In the FIGU core group, this theme was already discussed earlier and years before, and elucidated by the extraterrestrial Plejaren sources. Gemäss dem eindringlichen Rat der Plejaren und der Ebene Arahat Athersata wurde jedoch damals auf eine Veröffentlichung der Wahrheit und der tatsächlichen Fakten über die fingierte erste US-Mondlandung verzichtet. However, pursuant to the urgent advice of the Plejaren and the Arahat Athersata level, at that time, a publication of the truth and the actual facts about the feigned first U.S. Moon landing was abandoned. Zu gross waren die Gefahren lebensgefährlicher Angriffe auf das Center und die Mitglieder in Hinterschmidrüti. The dangers of life-threatening attacks on the centre and the members in Hinterschmidrüti were too great. Vor allem auch darum, weil verschiedene an dieser manipulierten Mondlandung beteiligte Personen kurzerhand durch inszenierte Unfälle oder Krankheiten usw. ermordet worden waren, wenn sie ihr Schweigen zu brechen versuchten. Above all, this was also because various persons participating in the manipulated Moon landing had been abruptly murdered through staged accidents or illnesses and so forth, when they attempted to break their silence. Durch eine frühzeitige Enthüllung konnten als Folge selbst kriegerische Handlungen nicht ausgeschlossen werden. Even military action could not be ruled out as a consequence of premature exposure. Nachdem sich die kritischen Stimmen jedoch weltweit ausgeweitet hatten und sogar aus wissenschaftlichen Kreisen die Zweifel und Kritik an der Raumfahrttechnik der 1960er Jahre immer stärker wurden, hat sich in diesen Belangen auch für die FIGU die Situation grundlegend geändert. However, after the critical voices had spread worldwide, and, even from scientific circles, the doubt about, and criticism of, the space travel technology of the 1960’s became ever stronger, the situation in these concerns had also fundamentally altered for FIGU. Durch die rasante Entwicklung wurde eine Veröffentlichung und offene Nennung der vorliegenden plejarischen Informationen zu einem der grössten Schwindel der Menschheitsgeschichte möglich. Through the rapid development, publication and open naming of the available Plejaren information became possible regarding the greatest swindle in human history. | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Edward and Dyson, The main difference I see between the Apollo 11 hoaxing and the WTC attack is that, with the WTC, the skeptics and debunkers were saying things like "inside job" from day one. And with the internet, thousands if not millions of other voices quickly joined in. Also, years in advance, the PNAC knuckleheads wrote, signed and published their manifesto calling for just such an attack. So it wasn't much of an undercover job anyway. If the powers that be were going to harm Billy for speaking the real truth about the WTC, he would be in good company. But in terms of reaching an audience, Billy would be way down the list because practically no one (in terms of sheer numbers) hears his message. So, I do not think the comparison is valid. But of course that's just my opinion. Peace and best regards. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hi, I was going to put this in the meditation section but then decided here. It was mentioned that the Plejarens put 'young' Billy on some sort of brainwave machine to help him dramatically speed up with the learning/absorbtion of information. I think I remember it saying it was related to hypnosis. There is a software program out that supposedly does just that as well as help with other things too, and its hailed by many as being a great help/success. The software is called the Brainwave Generator. Effects of brain stimulation range from relaxation and meditation to self-hypnosis and alleviation of headaches and migraines. Brainwave Generator: Brainwave Generator is a brain wave stimulation software that generates tones with binaural beats. In 1839, German experimenter Heinrich Wilhelm Dove discovered that playing two tones simultaneously, one in to each ear, induced the perception of a "beat frequency" when the tones were of slightly differing frequency (generally less than 100 Hz apart). While an acoustic mixing of the two tones will also produce a beat frequency, what is notable about auditory binaural beats is that there is no acoustic mixing of the tones: the beat percieved by the subject is produced solely within their auditory system. Some researchers believe that this phenomena has it's basis in the "neural wiring" used for determining origins of sounds in our environment. Some people claim that the technique, if used properly, seems to have the ability to pack a large amount of “sleep-like” rest in to a very short period of time, and also encourage real sleep when otherwise disinclined. Gerald Oster's breakthrough in 1973 was to observe that the neural processing of binaural beats can (under controlled circumstances) induce an entrainment of overall brainwave activity (specifically, an oscillation across both hemispheres matching the beat frequency). The neurology of this phenomenon is, according to Oster, tied to the contralateral integration of auditory input taking place in the superior olivary nucleus in the brainstem. Binaural beats or binaural tones are auditory processing artifacts, i.e. apparent sounds, the perception of which arises in the brain independent of physical stimuli. In nature, two sounds that are similar but slightly shifted in frequency will heterodyne to produce two new frequencies which are the sum and differences of the original two sounds. The brain produces a similar phenomenon internally, resulting in low-frequency pulsations in the loudness of a perceived sound when two tones at slightly different frequencies are presented separately, one to each of a subject's ears, using stereo headphones. The frequency of the tones must be below about 1,000 to 1,500 hertz. The difference between the two frequencies must be small (below about 30 Hz) for the effect to occur; otherwise the two tones will be distinguishable and no beat will be perceived. The sensation of binaural beats is believed to originate in the superior olivary nucleus, a part of the brainstem. They appear to be related to the brain's ability to locate the sources of sounds in three dimensions. One of the most remarkable features of the binaural beat phenomenon is the spectrum of purposes it is used for, ranging from laboratory "hard-science" to the most personal explorations of consciousness imaginable. From neuroscience to meditation, and even to explorations of purported "out of body" phenomena. Interest in binaural beats can be classified into two categories. First, they are of interest to neurophysiologists investigating the sense of hearing. Second, there are those who believe that binaural beats may influence the brain in more subtle ways through the entrainment of brainwaves and can be used to produce relaxation and other health benefits. Some people believe that binaural beats can influence functions of the brain besides those related to hearing. This phenomenon is called frequency following response. The concept is that if one receives a stimulus with a frequency in the range of brain waves, the predominant brain wave frequency is said to be likely to move towards the frequency of the stimulus (a process called entrainment). The stimulus does not have to be aural; it can also be visual (see Dreamachine). However, using alpha frequencies with such stimuli can trigger photosensitive epilepsy. Directly using an infrasonic auditory stimulus is impossible, since the ears cannot hear sounds low enough to be useful for brain stimulation. Therefore, binaural beat frequencies must be used. According to this view, when the perceived beat frequency corresponds to the delta, theta, alpha or beta range of brainwave frequencies, the brainwaves entrain to or move towards the beat frequency. For example, if a 315 Hz sine wave is played into the right ear and a 325 Hz one into the left ear, the brain is supposed to be entrained towards the beat frequency (10 Hz, in the alpha range). Since alpha range is usually associated with relaxation, it is supposed to have a relaxing effect. Effects of brain stimulation range from relaxation and meditation to self-hypnosis and alleviation of headaches and migraines. Examples of possible uses for brain stimulation: * Enhancement of learning capabilities (super learning) * Sleep induction (for treating insomnia or just for falling asleep quicker) * Focusing attention and enhancing awareness * Alleviation of headaches and migraines, as well as other pain * Preparation for stressful situations * Self hypnosis and/or subliminal programming WARNING: Improper use use of brainwave synchronization by means of binaural beats can cause seizures. The following people should not use brain entrainment products like BrainWave Generator: * People subject to any forms of seizures or epilepsy * People using pacemakers * People suffering from cardiac arrhythmia or other heart disorders * People taking stimulants, psychoactive drugs, or tranquilizers If you fall in any of the above categories, do not try to use BrainWave Generator! http://www.bwgen.com/ | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hi Jakes, I don't think it matters (they care) so much about all these millions of people saying 911 was an inside job from day one, because they anticipated that. I think they way they dealt with that is by confusing the issue of how the WTC collapse/demolition was done, by probably using more then one thing/way to bring the towers down. Some people investigating the case will claim/say it was done this way and others will say it was done another way. They won't think it was done in many ways. And this will cause not only confusion within the circles of people investigating 911, but also a loss of credibility in publics eye of 911 being an inside job too, and this is exactly what is happening now within the 911 truth movement. Bickering and arguements between the noteable researchers (eg. Professor Stevens Jones against Professor James Fetzer) about how the WTC collapse was done diminishes the credibility for the truth movement. I also think you missed the point about it doesn't matter so much about the 'small' number of people who listen/read the Meier material, but the quality/who they are. eg. ALL world governments, secret service, UN, ect, ect. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 553 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi guys, Good points, Tony. The ruling elite read Billy's stuff. I take your point, Jakes, but if my contention is right about how the towers came down, then this demo of the new weapons would indeed be - in many ways - more sensitive than the Apollo 11 scam. Anyway, I only cited it to make a point, not to compare the two conspiracies. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Mqhassan Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hello Dyson, Perhaps it would be reasonable to analyze the mission as it went through, and being actually launched. Was the Apollo 10 moon orbiting and LEM undocking and docking repeated in lunar orbit, while they were talking of an actual landing ? Are Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin under pressure NOT to mention the truth of their mission even after 38 years ? Who then was the first man on the moon ? Apollo 12 Charles Conrad ? Some mission analysis is required for those interested in details Salome Mohammed | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 557 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Mohammed, The contact notes actually go into some detail about this conspiracy, but I have the same attitude that Ptaah does about it. It was a hoax. Who cares about all the gory details? It was a hoax. Suffice it to say that the astronauts were hypnotized and drugged. (Same old story!) Others people in the know were simply assassinated. (Same old story!) For those with the contact note books, here are some of my references: V5, p152 & 251 V6, p 70 & 123 V7, p 195 The URL I mentioned in my previous post (http://www.gaiaguys.net/Meier.Mondv6p70.htm) takes you to the following from Billy: “Also it makes me wonder why the Yankees actually never let anything be heard, that on the South Pole and North Pole of the Moon there are big areas where permanent daytime rules, as I had seen, as in my earlier youth in the year 1946 from Sfath and then in 1975 also from Semjase (who) would provide the possibility to behold the Moon from up close and to see the aerospace-junk that the Earthlings had transported there.” So it’s probably safe to assume that Apollo 12’s Charles Conrad was by no means the first USAmerican to leave his garbage behind up there. The other links off that webpage tend to substantiate that idea. I’m a little concerned that the sort of shenanigans like Apollo 11 and Sept 11, and Madrid’s March 11, etc. etc. etc. (I,60: “My number is 11, as all their numbers who are of us.” www.gaiaguys.net/book.of.law.htm) are erroneously seen as isolated anomalies by a lot of FIGU friends, simply because Billy and the Plejaren don’t tell us SPECIFICALLY what has been going on on our planet behind the scenes, due to the Bafath, leaving us to figure it out for ourselves. www.disclosureproject.org is as good a place to start as any. This willful ignorance borders on religious dogmatism, and must be terribly disappointing for Billy and the Plejaren Federation to see here, of all places. Salome, Dyson | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Mohammed, There is a man named Bart Sibrel who believes that the moon landings between 1969 and 1972 were hoaxes. He has chased down former astronauts to ask them to swear on the bible that they actually went to the moon. Most have not done so. He has a couple of documentaries, "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon" and "Astronauts Gone Wild". Have you seen this thread? http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/6369.html?1156744399 Regards Adam | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Tony, Thanks, downloaded it here... http://www.zdnet.de/downloads/prg/o/s/de000SOS_is-wc.html Randy ô¿ô | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Mqhassan, Here are some comments from Billy regarding the Apollo missions from the Q&A section: Dear Billy, You indicated that the first Apollo moon landing was hoaxed. Were all the Apollo moon landings hoaxed? I ask because there is some controversy whether the astronauts could survive the radiation exposure while traveling through the Van Allen Belts. Dr. James Van Allen, himself, was quoted as follows: "The particle population of the Earth's radiation belts makes it dangerous for humans without massive shielding to do more than quickly pass through them." If only the first Apollo moon landing was hoaxed, what was the reason? Thank you. Answer The US Americans have really been on the moon, but certainly not Apollo 11 Hi Billy, The Plejarens have said Apollo 11 was hoaxed. I have great difficulty in accepting this. What is their evidence that it was hoaxed? (All the familiar reasons like no stars in photos and wavy flag have been scientifically explained on sites like badastronomy.com) Thanks Matt Answer The Plejarens give/gave no details about the hoaxed photos, but additional information, like the use of hypnosis on some of the 37 persons who (including the astronauts) were involved in the hoax, and of course the motives behind this “project”. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1108 Registered: 12-1999 |
Randy, I have to ask you what does being spiritual mean to you?,,,,indeed being hard on ones’s self is needed, like trying to crack open the shell to get to the pearl….being spiritual to me, also means being a physical creature, and working hard, physically mentally etc…sometimes things have to be hard for growth to occur. I think people who have it easy in the material sense, become weakened by new age thinking, and eventually substitute hard truth for pretty words….I think I read in the OM something like,,,Beautiful words are seldom true, and The truth is seldom beautiful…It seems one of the premises in new age thinking is the body is something that needs to be shunned or disregarded…the paradox of this is, we need the body to learn, yet we tend to deny the physical material world….yes it is true we eventually depart this life, but we do return, back into the physical reality again and again…don’t you think there may be a reason for this??......just offering you my thoughts on the matter. Scott | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 190 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Scott, It's about balancing our spiritual with our physical, not disregarding it. Randy | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 748 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jakes.... Welcome to the FIGU board! Yes, I truly agree with your input. There was indeed...too many people following 'the Piper'...when mentioned 'it was an inside job', and all sorts of "non-sense" surfaced, and then a 'Domino Effect' was created! People were indeed looking everywhere for SPOOKS, as they would say here! Edward. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 178 Registered: 03-2004 |
I am posting this here since it is a non-FIGU related miscellaneous topic. I hope it is the correct place. I have noticed now and again that people tend to have alot to say about Randy Winters when they do not know him. I have spoken to him several times in the distant past and I do not know him personally to any extent. However I just wanted to say that if someone has no direct, personal knowledge of someone's actions, then they really have no business saying anything other than factual info about that person. It has bothered me for a while that some people act like Randy Winters is an evil horrible person. Maybe he is and maybe he isn't. It is true that he has errors in the material he puts out. That is a fact. However we as the public, having no personal knowledge of the man should refrain from saying things about him as if we know these facts personally. If there is something bad between BEAM/FIGU and Mr Winters, that is their concern. And as far as whorever says that Randy's stuff is worthless, I say wrong to that. It DOES have worth even if its only worth is to draw interest to the case. I personally read about Billy in the book Light Years by Gary Kinder, but had no real interest until hearing Randy's admittedly inaccurate tapes about the case. While I agree that his stuff could cause confusion to someone not interested enough to investigate further, that does not mean that his information is worthless, only partially inaccurate. Before anyone decides to jump on my case about this, I just want to say that I am no Randolph Winters supporter, but that I do realize that in spite of his flaws, he too is a human being, and therefore worthy of at least being recognized for his good qualities as well as for his bad ones. Thanks for listening. Thomas | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1109 Registered: 02-2000 |
I'm still here, but I have noticed various people here over the years pushing their versions of Meier & the Plejarens info on everybody else. But I guess thats to be expected. My Website | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 06-2006 |
I can't say that listening to Randy Winters was bad in any way for me, or for anyone else for that matter, because I wouldn't have been here or found out about the Meier material it wasn't for him. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 570 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Thomas, Thank you for raising a very important point. I won’t jump down your throat for doing so! :-) We need more thoughtful opposition, such as yours, here, I think. But let's make the big distinction between "worthless" and "dangerous". Almost nothing is "worthless" because - if nothing else - it can always be cited as a bad example. And it's CERTAINLY not worthless to the many enemies of truth who work to maintain our ancient slavery! One of the things which struck both Vivienne and me was that Randy does indeed seem like a very nice guy. I’ve no doubt that he is genuinely friendly and pleasant to speak to. Were he to come to our door, we’d naturally give him the respect every humans deserves, and invite him in and offer him a cup of coffee, etc. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t hate the guy, but I despise what he’s done, and he’s obviously done it deliberately, for whatever reason. (Unless he’s been mind-controlled or some-such, at which time all bets are off.) A guy I know who has met and worked for George Bush personally has told me that he is a very warm and friendly guys who is genuinely charming and pleasant to chat with. That’s how it generally works. That’s how these guys come into power. Charm and guile. The point I’m making is that some of the nicest and friendliest people in the world do DO the most evil things, so “nice” and/or “friendly” is not the opposite of “bad”. You are known by your fruits, and if your fruits, being the results of your actions, have very very negative consequences, then it is not unfair to judge that as “bad.” Winters insinuating (during his Florida "Pleiadians" pase) that FIGU and the Plejaren are NAZIs is disgusting, and has a done a lot of ongoing damage. So I judge Winters’ actions as evil, and if I’ve done otherwise, that was wrong of me and I’ll be more careful to make the distinction in the future, and – as they say in Australia about sporting fairness – play the ball, not the man. I understand that there is a 1999 work of RW’s which is making the rounds in which he’d changed his tune a little from the below, but have a read of that which I have appended below, and tell me what you think about this nice guys’ effect on the spiritual progress of our planet, which TEETERS on the brink of the abyss. Then read the bit below that on the URL provided and let us know what you make of that. Salome, Dyson “Well I was there in ’86 or ’90. Ah. Billy – all these pictures were taken ’75 through ’78. The last photo session you saw, the last ship was in ’81. Ahhh. After that he has had a few (looks down, gulps audibly, waves hand dismissively and shakes head from side to side) sporadic contacts, but not much of anything. Ah. When I over there (fidgets, looks at shoes) Billy told me that they weren’t coming by anymore. He was not having any more contacts. He would have what he called social calls. Every now and then he would feel them in his head, or they would talk to him in his head. (waves index finger quickly over his head) Or he might see them over the house for a few seconds. They would just kinda check in on him. But the organized ongoing contacts for his education or our benefit were all over. They weren’t going to do that any longer. They had stopped doing that part. While I was there I did get to see ships a couple of times. In the last two or three years the people that live there with Billy say that he’s had a couple of more contacts and they’ve been written down in notes. I read them. Frankly I don’t believe them. (fidgeting) Ah. I don’t think they’re written by Billy for one thing. I think people around the house who have more of a vested interest financially are trying to proliferate the contacts. Ahhm. Billy - No-one’s met Billy. You wouldn’t know if he wrote it or he had not. No-one would know unless you understood him and his personality and how, what he’s really like. Ahh. A sad situation has kinda fallen in over in Switzerland. We have a group of twenty-four people who own the rights to Billy now. They have since 1984. It’s an organization called the FIGU. I was a member for three years. The FIGU is in charge of all of the information. Billy doesn’t read the mail or do anything anymore. He’s just not that healthy. They have gotten into a situation where that have discovered that they can make money by selling the information, and now it’s ten thousand dollars for a franchise fee if you want to start a FIGU study group and $680 dollars a year for members to pay dues to pay over to Switzerland, and when they found out that they could get into that and the money started coming in (points to temples with both index fingers) things have shifted, and we have this situation where the human element has come into play and we don’t have this warm, cozy little spiritual environment over in Switzerland any longer the way it used to be ten, fifteen years ago, so it’s become kind of a machine now. It - it almost seriously borders – I hate to use the word cult, but they’ve gotten so close-minded about things, it’s going that direction. There’re no longer open to other people’s interpretations. They’re mad at everybody and it’s – it isn’t a real healthy situation any longer. I - I kinda gave up communicating a couple of years ago. I was – all I was gonna do was getting’ in arguments with people. Either they’re mad I don’t come over any more, or they’re mad I wrote a book, or they’re mad I’m doing this or that, and that’s not why I went there to begin with. I was just a traveler on the road stopping for my own personal experience and education, much like you go to the pyramids or the Great Wall. You go to benefit yourself and to learn and keep moving on. And they were mad at me for stopping in and moving on. I, ah. Heh, heh, heh. (waits for laughter. One member of audience responds) I ga- I resigned from the group in 1990. I wasn’t mad at anybody. I just didn’t wanna be part of this group (touches temples with the tips of fingers of both hands) attitude any longer. I started getting nasty phone calls just because I would talk to other people, or they didn’t want me doing this or that. I says this is getting really out of hand, y’know, I says – I am not a follower type. Quite plainly. I’m a - a road traveler. I’m a - a troubadour if nothing else or a vagabond, so you got the wrong guy to try to control and put the screws on. So then they sent me like a five page contact to sign that I wouldn’t talk to anybody, and only do what they told me (one man laughs heartily) and blah, blah, blah. And I just kinda chuckled and laughed and said, last ditch effort of a desperate group. Ha ha ha. So I made a nice video tape set down in the living room (waving hand) an’ thanked them very much for the experience and resigned from the group and thanked them very much for the experience but resigned from the group and thanked Billy for the experience and haven’t been back over there since, so – so – I’m just still goin’ on down the road still lookin’ for thing, y’know.” (April 1998) www.gaiaguys.net/randywinters.htm | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 249 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Dyson, In your post # 563 March 14 the Meditation section something struck a chord with me and so if possible I would really appreciate if you could please expand a little more on what BEAM wrote in his March 2007 Wassermannzeit p.4, you write the following: ".... a child or adult should never be rebuked publickly because it shames the person requiring admonishment...." etc. It is issues like this that I feel that I need in my personal life in order to learn to understand human psychology/ Nature prior to me practicing a big variety of Spiritual Teachings. But don't get me wrong, S.T have been and are naturally extremely important to me and are beneficial and empowering, it's just that sometimes I need to have a more insigtful understanding as to how the material consciousness operates and then the S.T. can take a parallel position to daily existence. In fact I wish we had more of them here. Many thanks, Bianca | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 578 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Bianca (Nice to be able to use your real name!) Can you please be a little more specific about what exactly you want to know about this topic? Cheers! Dyson | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 184 Registered: 03-2004 |
I will not judge Randy Winters nor anyone else that I have inadequate reason about to do so. As I said I am not a supporter of Randy Winters but I happen to agree with some of the things he says. I think personally that he has meant well, however he got greedy. That is bad of course. It is also bad that he tends to sensationalize information. Aside from those things, I do not find him malicious...Maybe misguided but not intentionally malicious. Maybe I am wrong and that is exactly why I will not make a final judgement. It isn't my place to do so anyway. As far as one thing that I do agree with him about, is that while it is far to pay a price for books at far market value, I do not agree that FIGU finds it ethically correct to sell spirit lessons ONLY if you become a passive member, subscribe to a magazine, and donate part of your salary to them if you don't come and spend some days working there. I feel priviledged to have access to the teachings, if they are real, which I believe they are and which I am trying to continually prove through logic for myself. Billy's info is logical but not all of it is readily proveable ONLY by logic. And you do have to admit that FIGU as an organization and BEAM are not synonomous. So I have no problem with Billy, but I do have a problem with the financial part of how FIGU distibutes the information. Just my opinion for whatever its worth... | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 190 Registered: 03-2004 |
Alan, thank you. That is EXACTLY what I was getting at. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 560 Registered: 10-2000 |
I guess that I am the only one, at least who's spoken up so far on this forum, who knew Randy. I worked with him on the production of The Pleiadian Connection videotape and I was his "opening act" on more than one occasion, doing "New Age" comedy songs before his presentations. I should add that it was some members of the U.S. FIGU group's initial aversion to my joining FIGU because of this association, which I learned about after the fact, that bothered me, as no such resistance was offered by the Swiss group of which I was aware. Anyhow, in my own personal dealings with Randy over a few years I found him to be a very nice, generous fellow and I never detected any deliberate desire to harm the mission, Meier, FIGU, etc. Where Randy went wrong, in my opinion, was, first, in focusing too much out of making it a business. Now obviously I sell products on my website too but somehow I think that Randy got a little too carried away with it. He also took more and more liberties with the material. In fact, it was his distortion of the information, as I perceived it, that led me to do my own presentations. Had Randy not been changing things I doubt that I would have ever started doing presentations because he was a really excellent speaker, etc. I think that after Randy was booted out by FIGU he had a case of sour grapes and felt the need to bolster a bruised ego. On some level I think that he knew better, or certainly should have. I remember when he started to work with the Adrain fellow in Florida and was convinced that he was genuine...until it became very apparent that he wasn't. As far as how FIGU decides to run its business, I am not really in a position to make grand statements. I will say, as someone who has seen and met most of the FIGU members and spent a good deal of time at the center, that there is an enormous amount of - voluntary - time and work (and money) contributed by the core group members, to say nothing of the time and energy Billy has spent in making the teachings, and all the other information (just the typing alone is a huge effort) available. There is also that little principle about exchanging value for value, which in our world is most often done involving money. One last thing regarding Randy. Randy, Phil McCainey and I once took a trip to Sedona, Arizona, for a presentation. While we were staying at a friends house on our way there, Randy and I were talking. He was already a computer programmer for a large bank and I knew nothing much about computers but an idea came to me that seemed like a good one at the time. So I mentioned to Randy how neat it would be if, someday, computers could be used to hook everybody all over the world electronically...so that we could share the information in the Meier case. I still think that was a good idea. Michael Horn | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 466 Registered: 06-2000 |
So it was you who created the internet , Michael , not Al Gore ! Fortunately , whatever Winters has said will not stand as the final word or the strongest influence on Earth on the matter . It only stands to reason that anyone who reads Winter's corrupted information will be able to look further and find the FIGU , and who wouldn't want to look deeper ? It seems like almost a natural failsafe that those who really are truly concerned will not be swayed by charlatans , or those who are well meaning . Of course , someone has to emphasise what's real , which is being done here every day . In any case , I have to relax any sense of anxiety about what people say against the Mission , because that's just how it is for a while . Still , 800 years will pass before mankind catches up with the truth . Truth , love and joy , at least to me ,can only be experienced calmly, without anxiety , anger and suspicion . Patience is something that I looked on as being a chore that I owed to my elders when I was younger , Now I see it as my duty , whether it be patience for someone else , or myself . For that I can be patient with people who intentionally hurt the Mission as well as those who blunderingly mis-teach it , regardless of good intentions . Kind Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 01-2006 |
Michael - In fact, it was his distortion of the information, as I perceived it, that led me to do my own presentations. Had Randy not been changing things I doubt that I would have ever started doing presentations because he was a really excellent speaker, etc. Randy Winters doesn't even compare to you MH in doing presentations and speaking for the BEAM UFO contact case. He never has. And you also just get better and better with time, and fast too! You are credit to the mission! | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 192 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thanks for the info Michael. It was enlightening to hear someone's opinion from a first hand perspective. It pretty much confirms what I had suspected. Randy Winters is human and flawed, but apparently not at all malicious. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 01-2006 |
Alan - "I can't say that listening to Randy Winters was bad in any way for me, or for anyone else for that matter, because I wouldn't have been here or found out about the Meier material it wasn't for him." Thomas - "Alan, thank you. That is EXACTLY what I was getting at." Thomas anyone can do a presentation of the Meier case like Randy Winters did and be responsible for bringing people on board, and then have people saying what Alan said on previous page, but does that really justify what you are trying to say about Winters being a good person for the mission? I think not. I agree with Figu's stance against having anything to do with him. Michael Horn is a real credit to the mission, Winters never was. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 194 Registered: 03-2004 |
I never said that Randy was good for the mission. Please do not put words in my mouth. Thanks. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 01-2006 |
Yes your are right Thomas. You never said that Winters was good for the mission. That was my misunderstanding. My apologies, I take that back. | ||
Phi_spiral New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2007 |
A Word Or Two About The Word, “Chakra” a.k.a. “A Topic Looking For A Heading” In the questions to Billy section, he is on record as saying chakras do not exist. I took Billy’s comment to mean : “chakras do not exist as they are presently perceived or taught today” ... i.e. the more popular New Age literature. Much like Billy might say Jesus did not exist. Certainly, the archetype of “chakras” has been tweaked and modified over centuries of time. However, if one goes back to the earliest Sanskrit texts, a more succinct concept will emerge. As electricity passes through a conductor, say an electric wire, a magnetic field travels with and rotates around it at 90 degrees...very much like a spinning wheel. “Chakra” is an old Sanskrit word meaning “spinning wheel”. The human body basically operates on electricity (see, “The Body Electric” by Robert Becker and Gary Selden). Except instead of electrical wiring, the body has a system of nerves. Where these nerves come together near major organs, these is an affluence of ganglion and the electro-magnetic field (EMF) is higher. And the wheel spins stronger. The strength of these fields is a natural barometer of the health of the body. Today’s modern medicine will use an EKG machine to measure the condition of the heart, for instance. Just like Billy has explained the language of the TJ was written for the prevailing consciousness of the day, so too was the language of the Vedas and Tantras. Surely one can imagine how an electro-magnetic field might be described as a ”spinning wheel”(chakra) in their vernacular and in a context that related to anatomy. The problems and misunderstandings crept in over the years as these texts began to be illustrated showing these electro-magnetic fields (energy centers) with embellished drawings of multi-petaled lotus flowers and the like. Over time people took these visual metaphors quite literally. (Although if one were to make a graphic representation of many standing sine waves overlapping, a lotus flower might come to mind.) So you see, these “spinning wheels” do exist - albeit, in a sanskrit manner of speaking. In no way is this being contradictory to Billy, but hopefully, is a clarification. Regards Bob P.S. - There are also subtle forms of energy within the human body measured by Wilhem Reich which he called “orgone” and which many believe is the same as the Asian concept of “chi”. But that’s another matter. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 587 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Thomas, You write,"Randy Winters is ... apparently not at all malicious." You have neglected to mention that this is your opinion, and neglected to mention also that your opinion is 100% opposite to JHWH Ptaah's advice. http://www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/8/luegner.htm Ptaah: … angebliche Kontakte mit mir, was natürlich ebenso einer irren Phantasie und einem Unsinn (WV) entspricht wie die unhaltbaren Behauptungen von Penny McLean, Barbara Hand Clow, Barbara Marciniak und Amorah Quan Yin und andern, die mauscheleienhaft und dumm (WV) behaupten, mit mir oder mit anderen Personen oder irgendwelchen Geistwesen unseres Volkes in irgendeiner Form in Kontakt zu stehen. In den gleichen Reigen gehören auch Fred Bell mit seinen angeblichen (WV) Kontakten zu meiner Tochter Semjase sowie Randy Winters mit der Geschichte (WV) des Adrain und der angeblichen Kontakte in Florida. Es haben von unserer Seite aus niemals solche Kontakte zu Menschen auf der Erde existiert – ausser einzig und allein zu deiner Person – und es existieren auch gegenwärtig keine solchen, und auch in Zukunft werden keine solche Kontakte von irgendwelchen Menschen auf der Erde mit irgend jemandem von unseren Völkern zustandekommen. Wenn aber trotzdem unehrliche (WV) Menschen behaupten, mit jemandem von uns oder mit Geistwesen unserer Völker in Kontakt zu stehen, dann entspricht das einer Lüge, einer Mauschelei oder einer Scharlatanerie. Auch schizophrene Vorgänge und suggestive Einflüsse sowie Selbstbetrug usw. sind dabei nicht auszuschliessen. Mauscheler, Schwindler, Scharlatane und Wahnkranke der Art, die behaupten, mit uns in Kontakt zu stehen, gibt es leider auf der Erde immer mehr. Gesamthaft sind sie alle, und ich muss stark betonen ALLE, nur arme Irre, Schizophrene oder sonstige Wahnkranke, oder dann bewusste Mauscheler, Schwindler oder Scharlatane. Und interessant ist dabei festzustellen, dass erst seit dem Zeitpunkt deiner offiziellen Missionsverbreitung und also seit deinem Auftreten in der Öffentlichkeit wir Plejadier/Plejaren ins Öffentlichkeitsinteresse geraten sind und von dutzendweise Wahnkranken sowie Mauschelern, Schwindlern und Scharlatanen für angebliche Kontakte mit ihnen missbraucht werden, wobei all diese Kranken und Unredlichen von praktisch allen UFOkreisen als wahrliche Kontaktler beurteilt und ihre Wahn- oder Lügen- und Phantasiegeschichten als wahr angenommen werden, obwohl kein Buchstabe ihrer Faseleien stimmt – während du als wirkliche Kontaktperson zu uns als Lügner und Betrüger beschimpft wirst und deine Beweismaterialien als Fälschungen beschimpft werden. – Es wäre angebracht, wenn du bezüglich dieser besprochenen Belange ein Flugblatt anfertigen und allen Interessierten aushändigen würdest, denn die wirklich Suchenden, wie auch alle andern Menschen, haben ein Anrecht darauf, die grundlegende Wahrheit zu erfahren. I agree with Ptaah, 100%. Salome, Dyson | ||
Fedor New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2007 |
Dyson, Ptaah specifically singled out Randy Winters' involvement with Adrain, not with Billy Meier. So, one might deduce that Ptaah's okay with Randy's involvement with the Billy Meier affair. He certainly had the hammer to beat that drum. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 589 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Fedor, "Ptaah's okay with Randy's involvement with the Billy Meier affair." How do you reach that deduction? Would YOU be OK with RW if you were Ptaah after this? www.gaiaguys.net/randywinters.htm There is MUCH more if you look deeper. Randy basically says the the FIGU and P's are NAZI (!) racists, who teach that black people are inferior humans and the whites superior, and all SORTS of other HORRIBLE stuff. Very nasty work, but a "nice guy"! :-) Read up on him a bit please. Please see contact books: v6, pp 175&255, v7, pp 196,408,409&426, v8, p 4&9. The Plejaren methodology is to superficially look one way, but be a different way on deeper inspection. Please see: www.tjresearch.info.denial.htm Cheers! Dyson | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 198 Registered: 03-2004 |
Whatever Dyson. I will not argue anymore. Have a nice day...sincerely. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 227 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hello Scott, Maybe shutting down this board is the best alternative, after all. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 228 Registered: 04-2003 |
Maybe I was a bit hasty in suggesting the forum be shut down. While researching software available to run on platforms other than Windows, I came across this blog entry and one of the many responses it engendered. Hilarious, but I guess the acrimony and divisiveness expressed here (Figu) is not entirely endemic. Original Blog Entry Unix Free Since 1999 My first computer was a TRS-80, my second an Apple IIe. In college I mostly programmed in IBM 370 assembly code. But in graduate school (first at Berkeley and then at MIT) I starting using Unix in its various forms and its programs, first Vi and Troff, then Emacs and LaTex and reading email via the command line "mail." My future wife had one of the early "IBM Compatible" PCs and I liked some of the programs one could use, like Quicken, Prodigy (an information dial-up service), good preadsheets and word processing. My home computer has always been a DOS/Windows machine since. Windows had good calendar and email programs long before they were available for Unix so at one point I got a PC card for the Sun in my office which ran Microsoft Windows in an Unix window. As I found myself spending more and more time in that window, my next machine was a Windows machine with an X-Windows program so I could connect to the department's Unix machines to use Emacs and LaTex. Soon very good Emacs and LaTex programs became available for Windows and when I moved to NEC in 1999 I went Unix free and haven't looked back. My biggest complaint about Unix was the user interface. To print pages 3 to 5 of a latex document is easy in windows, for Unix I had to do a man dvips since I could never keep straight which flags did what. Once I spent hours trying to figure out what I did wrong in a Make program (I had uses spaces instead of tabs). I'll never forget the time I accidentally typed "rm temp *" instead of "rm temp*". Ever since people have kept telling me Linux interfaces and programs have gotten much better, and they have, but never enough to get me to switch back. Some Apple lovers have tried to get me to move to Apples, but they just never had the software available that PCs do. Windows emulators for Apples are popular but you don't see the need for the other direction. As more and more of the programs I use become web based, the actual platform becomes less and less important. Still though as someone who likes an easy user interface and wide availability of programs and doesn't do much programming and scripting, Windows has worked well for me. Anonymous says: Jesus Free Since 1999 My first church was 1st United, my second an Greater Fountain of Life. In college I mostly went to the student chapel. But in graduate school (first at Berkeley and then at MIT) I starting worshiping with a group of Evangelical Christians; My future wife had one of the early "Atheist-Humanist" philosophies and I liked some of the consistency and freedom-of-thought. My religion has been militant atheism. Atheism had good calendar and email programs long before they were available for Evangelical Christianity so at one point... Ever since people have kept telling me Evangelical Christians have gotten much better, and they have, but never enough to get me to switch back. Some God lovers have tried to get me to move to their God, but they just never had the software available that Atheists do. (The point being the original post has some nature of a religious as well.) (The point not being the parallels I used, that was just for convenience.) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1118 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, It is my understanding, that Billy’s spirit form originated from the Lasan group of planets. According to the translation (http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv5p468.htm) it is mentioned by Quetzal that Ptaah, Semjase Sfath and others are linked to descendents dating back to Henok and Nokodemjon. Now it is also my understanding that the Plejaren spirit forms did not originate from the Plejaren star system, but are just Vegan and Lyrian spirit forms from earlier migrations. It is mentioned that Nokodemjon created races billions of years ago, and then returned to aid in bringing these races back into alignment with the spiritual teachings. My questions is, are the Lyrian and Vegan spirit forms considered to be descendents of these original races created by Nokodemjon, or are they a separate lineage? Maybe I have misunderstood these connections, but I was thinking about this today. Regards Scott | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 03-2007 |
I’ve certainly enjoyed reading the stories of personal experiences with Randy Winters. Especially the ones posted in THIS section! (Hello Mr. Moderator, kind Sir & God of the Ephemeral. I genuflect in your general direction). Perhaps others can benefit by me sharing my first hand experience with another person on the Meier “defamers list”... Dr. Fred Bell. About ten years ago I attended a 2-day workshop/ seminar held by Dr. Bell in Laguna Beach. I drove down the coast in my car from Los Angeles where I was living at the time. The topic was energy - pyramids, crystals, the human body and of course, ETs. I had a passionate curiosity about almost everything at that time. But mainly I was an energy junkie. There is no doubt that Dr. Bell is an extremely intelligent and articulate man. His disarming and engaging charm allows him to spout off a scientific discourse on the nature of the universe one minute and the next spin the most incredible yarn in seamless fashion. I would say he was more like a performing artist. The turn-out for the event was small, about 8 people, so at the end of the second day, he invited everyone over to his home in the Laguna Hills. It was a large two-story California style beach house that had this incredible view of the Pacific Ocean. In the background was played a continuous loop of music he had composed and performed himself. And of course it was available to purchase on CD. Large crystals were to be seen everywhere on his property - inside and out. He claimed that he programmed the crystals and strategically located them in an array to create a cloaking field that protected him from the “negative” ETs. I was no security expert but somehow I just knew that THAT was not going to keep a determined ET away! He later recounted stories of the greys attacking him at home before this unique defense system was installed. So there you go... proof positive that it worked. Technically Dr. Bell doesn’t defame Billy because he never actually references him. The whole weekend passed and nary a word was ever spoken about Meier. But he loved to talk about Semjase. He sincerely believes that in other lifetimes, he and Semjase were lovers. Indeed, hung on the living room wall of his home he had a framed drawing of Semjase that he claimed he drew himself. I couldn’t help but wonder what his present wife, a younger beautiful German woman, thought about all that. Allegedly, this infatuation cost him his relationship with his first. On the same wall he had a framed photograph of two women which, if I remember correctly, he said was Semjase’s mother and sister. In his bedroom, he showed us a large pyramid that he and his wife slept under every night. He related an experience one time where Adrain (yes, that same clever lad that duped Randy W.) came to visit him in this same home. And while they were talking under this pyramid, (presumably about whose Semjase was more real) two aliens from another dimension just materialized out of nowhere in the living room. So he said. One of Bell’s claims is that he has total recall of his most recent previous life. He was a German SS officer in WWII that secretly worked behind the scenes to save the Jews. This led to him being shot by a fellow officer when he was “outed”. He credits his fast turnaround time to being a highly evolved soul who was desperately needed back on Earth. As the evening drew on, the tales got taller. From his meetings with Sai Baba to being tutored by ascended masters. But the craziest story of all was the one where the Secretary of the Navy pulled up outside his house in a limousine bearing a message from St. Germain ... ...enough said. Regards Bob | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 596 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Scott, From the tone of the Ptaah's speech, suggesting that they are "his people", who love him, I think it's logical to assume that the answer to your question, “Are the Lyrian and Vegan spirit forms considered to be descendents of these original races created by Nokodemjon?” is "yes". Ptaah: 700. "Nokodemion muss sich auf den Welten und durch all die verflossenen Zeiten in unserem grobstofflichen Universum sehr fremd und ungemein einsam fühlen, auch wenn ihm aus seinen eigenen von ihm gezeugten oder kreierten Völkern Menschen zur Seite stehen, die er liebt und die ihn lieben." (Nokodemion must feel very foreign and uncommonly lonely on the worlds and through all the times which have passed, in our coarse-matter universe, even if humans from his own peoples, engendered and created from him, who he loves and who love him, stand at his side.) www.gaiaguys.net/meierv6p410-413.htm Cheers! Dyson | ||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 150 Registered: 03-2003 |
Thanks for sharing that Bob. Now I remember why I come to this site...it's the humor. | ||
Simon Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hello forum members, I heard that there was a mistake in the value of Pi. Is this true, is there a link that explains what the error is? | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 225 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Bob, Thanks for sharing that with us concerning your visit with Fred Bell, now here is my story and up to date report. I myself had a personal run in concerning Fred Bell when I met this guy "Jim" from San-Francisco, while on a visit to Mt Shasta back in 1995, who was at that time with a company building pyramid like artifacts the same as what you'd find with Fred Bell's company Pyradyne. The company's name was called "Buddha Maitreya", which was in relation to a group of Tibetans who were convinced that one of their masters was the tulku reincarnation of the real Buddha Maitreya from some time ago. Anyway I took note of these things they were making and asked him about Fred Bell. Jim, who was also calling him-self "Parresh" at the time, simply stated that "Fred Bell's ET contact stories with the Plejarens aren't true, but that he and his group weren't complaining, because simply stated, "He is our best whole sale customer and we build these things for his company, Pyradyne"! Then I asked him, "You mean to say Semjase didn't give him the instructions to build these things"? He replied saying "No, we Actually designed them, and he sales them, so therefore he is still a very good person and a very good friend". About 4 years later, Jim had since changed his name to "Pan" and had moved with his company to Mt Shasta City where I still saw him from time to time. I met him again on Shasta mountain while visiting friends there and again he brought up the issue of Fred Bell, but his time he was saying he not only had a lot of respect for the guy, but now believed him to be the reincarnation of Nikola Tesla. I replied back to him saying, "That is not what you told me four years ago". The links to Fred Bell's and the Buddha Maitreya company sites are still found at these links. However the Buddha Maitreya group appears now to have since changed their name to the "Tibetan Foundation". Here are the links for comparison. Buddha Maitreya's Tibetan Foundation site: http://www.tibetanfoundation.org Fred Bell's site: http://www.pyradyne.com But it goes even further then that. A few years later, I talked with this guy Dan from Ashland Oregon who further informed me that the Buddha Maitreya group were building and selling geometrical items illegally that were not originally theirs, but were creations taken from yet another group called "Metaforms", which is probably why they changed their name. Here is the Metaforms link for comparison: http://www.metaforms.net In a later chance conversation I had with Sean David Morton, who BTW turns out to be best buddies with the guy (Fred Bell), I was able to point out to him many of Fred Bell's inconsistencies, including the fact in which Billy Meier pointed out Semjase's eyes were blue, while Bell claims in his book that Semjase's eyes were green. Sean David Morton upon hearing me out, states back to me; "But Fred Bell must be for real because I've personally witnessed an orange UFO sighting with him". However, this doesn't mean much to me, because anyone can see a UFO these days much like the ones sighted over area 51. Fred Bell later claimed to be in contact with beings from Andromeda, following his later acquaintance with Alex Collier. Interestingly enough, Sean did confess to me that Fred Bell did not get the idea to build his receptors from the ET woman Semjase. Here is an email concerning Fred Bell that was forwarded to me upon hearing my story. For privacy reasons I have to leave out the names of the concerned persons who sent it to me. By the way, when it comes to people with serious infatuations with Semjase, I personally recommend to always stay clear of them as one such character turned out to be a criminal and paedophile. Enjoy the read, James Truthseeker ----------------------------------------------- Hi P------, Don't know about M Wolf, but Fred Bell is a major league bull------. I have been to his house on several occasions and one time when he used someone I introduced for a business deal, bypassing me, he was so rude I never desired to return. I believe he has had some contacts of some sort but his ex, Rowena who was supposedly with him during a contact in Laguna rolled her eyes at me when he related the story. He also recommends and uses or used to use PCP as what he referred to as a sacrament. Another friend was at his home and did this sh-- with him and ended up chewing on a drinking glass during a bad trip. Fred does seem to have some knowledge, I don't know how much being first hand, but the rest he plainly manufactures to suit his needs and to sell his swill. I would recommend to steer clear of this character..... By the way I had one of those receptors someone gave to me and I think I threw it away as I am usually very sensitive and felt nothing from it. X------- | ||
Francofiori2004 New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2007 |
PLejarans tell us AIDS is a big deal, but many medicians doesn's believe even it exist (see for example: http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/ ). What does think Meier about possibility aids is not a real illness? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 611 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Dejan! Great! Danke! I just had another thought about what I wrote about make-up, in light of what is written in OM, which I am re-re-reading again just now. Women who paint their faces are considered whores, and there is a lot about the grave evils of all kinds of whoredom too. It is considered a serious affront to Creation’s handwork to dare to try to improve on it with cosmetics. Just thought I should let you know. Too bad for the ladies here who like a spot of lippy, but also want to be serious students of the renewed teachings and enjoy the life of one of Creation! :-) Thanks also for the kind words, Dejan. (Are you a professional artist?) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Norm3 New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2007 |
I know I read the Plejaren females did dress up & were fashionable? | ||
Oo1oo1 Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 01-2007 |
But they're still just a bunch of comment deleted, Plejaran comment deleted. Perfume, shaving body hair, wearing jewelery, anything trying to improve on nature. Same for men too. Dear Oo1oo1, NO more crude comments like this, consider yourself warned! Scott-Moderator | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 476 Registered: 06-2000 |
The natural reddish pigment of the lips is normal in some humans , some more than others . Mark Campbell | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 489 Registered: 07-2005 |
Regarding semjase masterpiece generously done by dejan, I can't quite explain it but there is this dignified warmth and tenderness about semjase that is so infatuating. I am looking at the picture on my laptop from all angles and it appears the picture becomes more real if you jack your laptop monitor down which gives more shade and real true colour experience to it. Try it everybody. I am still awed by it cheers Matt | ||
Oo1oo1 Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hello Scott, Sorry to have offended you, but perhaps you are overreacting due to all the previous harsh postings about you not being tough enough as a moderator. I appear to be easy game. But all I did was make the logical conclusion from the two posts above mine. If their posts are true, then why all the huff? It's not like I said everyone's beloved Semjase is a whore. However, adult male fawning and infatuation over a semi-fictional female creature from another world seems about par for the course. The word "whore" is an objective word with a known definition: one that performs sex act(s) for money or other gain. As surely as there are whores on our planet, there are ET whores. Now, if you want to say my conclusion is false, then you must be prepared to say the premise on which it is based is also false (anyone trying to improve upon nature’s rendering of appearance is whore) Hope you have a nice day. Do you have a name? Granted there maybe somewhat of an infatuation with the image of Semjase, but calling her whore is really stretching it. First off, prostitution does not exist for the Plejarens. They don't have a money system, and secondly, generally the need for prostitution on this planet as I see it, is for sexual gratification. But since the male Plejaren is "allowed" to have more than one wife, the need for outside activity is considerably diminished. They are allowed to sleep together, as long as no child is procreated, but this doesn't mean jumping from bed to bed every night either. No, I am not being harsh with you for being easy game, but it will start more controversy and discussion, which I can barely keep up with as it is. I have reacted this way to other posts which I feel are a bit off the mark in my opinion. Thank you for your understanding. Scott | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 478 Registered: 06-2000 |
I think it's only fair to our moderator to encourage him to delete any troublemakers accounts immediately , without warning , as a security measure , both to the integrity of our forum as well as in protection of the manageability of the forum . Otherwise , the instigators could be the administrators and FIGU members , for example , could be bound , tied up , unable to do anything productive . Salome , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 06-2006 |
Women who paint their faces are considered whores, and there is a lot about the grave evils of all kinds of whoredom too. It is considered a serious affront to Creation’s handwork to dare to try to improve on it with cosmetics. Just thought I should let you know. Dyson, let us know what? I am not sure what tone you are using here. I would appreciate elucidation. Also, please point out which section of the Om so I can read it myself. how absolutely ridiculous! Maybe I could say that it is a serious affront to read this no matter where it comes from -- the Om or the local branch of Islam or some ultra right wing faction! painting one's face if one chooses to, is no more 'whore' producing than changing ones appearance by say brushing ones hair, or cutting it, or plucking ones nose hairs et........ makeup does not a 'whore' make how archaic and chauvanistic to single women out as whores anyway --- they, these so called 'whores' are part of a male degeneration in my opinion, and the subservience of women to satisfy this degenerate aspect of males. I remember reading a novel called 'Skinny legs and all' where a story about Queen Jezabel was offered -- may not accurately remember it but, when preparing herself to be whisked away by the conquering males dominated crew, sat calmly in front of her mirror, and applied makeup, before facing her capturers - in order to present a dignified face in the face of defeat. The end of the 'mother' and the beginning of the 'father' rule/thought --- the beginning of the degeneration of mankind etc......... and we all know what term a 'Jesabelle' is applied to! Please, there are humans who are female this incarnation on this forum as well. Robjna | ||
Oo1oo1 Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 01-2007 |
Thank you Robjna for being a woman with the forthrightness I didn’t have to ask Dyson directly about his statement, that I, too, find completely absurd. I am not anxious to be turned into another Randy Arena, which perhaps is what Scott and Markc are after, instead of the truth. Thank you for speaking up for reason. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1128 Registered: 12-1999 |
Oo1oo1, (What is your name?) I am not sure I understand your remark to myself and Markc regarding attempting to turn you into another Randy Arena? Can you quote posts from me in regards to Randy which support your perceptions? In addition, I only responded to your comments regarding woman who accept money for sex (Whores by your definition), I said nothing in regards to how woman choose to dress, etc, whether it is stated in the OM or not. Scott | ||
Oo1oo1 Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hello again Scott, What’s the hang-up with the name? This is an internet forum isn’t it? I don’t need the entire world to see my words associated with my name. To do so isn’t smart these days, is it? What’s the first thing people do after meeting someone new? Ever go on a job interview and find out the interviewer has already Googled you? Even with as little as someone's first name, if you know some of their interests and the vicinity where they live... Call me paranoid-person if you’d like. Okay, maybe I misspoke. The Randy Arena person was pilloried, not by you or MarkC, but by Dyson. It just seems to me that some people here are more anxious to shut people up rather than to straighten out the misunderstandings that arise from this form of communication. If you don’t like what I say, just change the channel, move on. No one here should feel the need to weigh in on every post. Out. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 623 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Robjna! Please see:http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/37.html?1170878992 Oo1oo1 - what do you mean please? What is unreasonable about describing what is in the German language texts?? Do you think I am inventing this stuff? Dyson | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 158 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear fellow forum members, Took me some time to follow up on this section, and noticed something was left unanswered Thomas, regarding your post 184. You said “I do not agree that FIGU finds it ethically correct to sell spirit lessons ONLY if you become a passive member, subscribe to a magazine, and donate part of your salary to them if you don't come and spend some days working there.” Maybe you should check bulletin 3 which is available in English, it covers a few points that might interest you. If you didn’t already read it, it covers such questions as -Why are the FIGU books so expensive? -Why are the Spirit Lessons so expensive? -Why is there such mystery surrounding the Spirit Lessons, and why cannot everyone simply buy them; or why are they not sold through printing houses and book stores? -What happens to all the money Passive Group members pay? By becoming a member you are given up to date information on various things regarding the group, it has a few positive sides to it, but it is not important. So what is wrong with donations, its not like FIGU are rich just because of the donations even after more then 30 years, they annually send to all the members what financial status the FIGU is in, which is a requirement by law. And donations you are talking about a minimum of 0.58% of your yearly income, you think that’s too much? And as for the working days, from my experience it is one of the best ideas, it is to motivate people to go to the centre and see things with their own eyes meet the people there, and become connected to FIGU Switzerland not only through post or internet, but a personal relation. My suggestion, become more informed about these things before you talk in this way, there are a few cases were people are given the spirit lessons for free, because they are unable to pay the costs, to do that you need to send a request to FIGU group to review your request. And for your information they are not becoming rich by this action, it has other reasons then money. And if you are interested you might find out one day. Dyson, I feel your frustration. And wanted to mention the way I see it, the only problem why this forum is more materialistic is because of the language barrier. And people seem to be able do discuss more materialistic ideas then spiritual because most don’t know much about the spiritual sides of the Meier Case. So when someone talks about spirituality most of the members just read it without having the ability to comment on it for lack of information. Translating the spiritual is a very big responsibility that I am sure not many would be ready to take on if they get it wrong, in this case learning German would overcome this problem, I have witnessed one person in this forum that has progressed very quick in German faster then I ever expected, next to his University studies, so in other words nothing is impossible, if you have the will. Salome, Badr | ||
Javen New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hi everyone, I am new here, this is my first post. I find all this information absolutely incredible and I feel really fortunate to have come across it. I have a question about our seemingly 'dark' future. So much of what Billy has been told over the years about world events has come to pass that I am a little concerned about what is coming next. In regards to that, has Billy been told where would be the smartest place to live in the coming times taking into consideration all the war and turmoil to come?? Is one country better or safer than the rest? Is there any book outlining precautions to take, etc.?? Thanks for any info or guidance, Javen | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 203 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Oo1oo1, Thank you for observing what happened and standing in defense of my name... It would be more prudent perhaps for me to hide behind a false name... although that would be going against the laws and directives of Creation on my part. It is greatly appreciated, any advice, as well as any specific constructive criticism that is most graciously accepted and considered. Dyson is agressive in his way and that is cool with me. You don't want a wishy washy type person... without conviction, translating some documents holding the secret to our inner strength... would you? Having a tough skin... this kind of banter doesn't offend me... it only makes me more aware/conscious... striving to delete any and all falsehoods, influences or beliefs which may have escaped my objective viewpoint. Proper spirituality with no religion/influence, fear, nor doubt... are all part of the learning process... something which is thoroughly joyful to me. Randy Rigorous discipline makes for more excellent learning... increasing knowledge... leading eventually... to wisdom. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 630 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Randy, “Dyson is agressive in his way and that is cool with me.” Aggression - 1: (noun) a forceful action or procedure (as an unprovoked attack) especially when intended to dominate or master 2.) the practice of making attacks or encroachments, especially unprovoked violation by one country of the territorial integrity of another 3: hostile, injurious, or destructive behavior or outlook when caused by frustration “this kind of banter doesn't offend me” Banter - (noun) good-natured and usually witty and animated joking (Merriam-Webster) "I think it's only fair to our moderator to encourage him to delete any troublemakers accounts immediately , without warning , as a security measure , both to the integrity of our forum as well as in protection of the manageability of the forum . Otherwise , the instigators could be the administrators and FIGU members , for example , could be bound , tied up , unable to do anything productive . Salome , Mark" Salome, Dyson | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 03-2007 |
I was wondering: if Immanuel was born in 5 B.C. , does this mean we are now in year 2012? | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 479 Registered: 06-2000 |
Just to set the record straight , since my post was used as a quote in a post against Mr.Arena , that the post was not intended for him . It seems to me , evidenced in his above posts , that the controversy over his comments in the past has made him more aware and considerate of others , and the way that he posts here from now on .He's careful to a fault these days , to be sure . And still , the prejudice continues against him . I don't need to know why . I've read enough in defence of outright hatred . Mark Campbell | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 638 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Markc, I am not motivated by hate. Salome, Dyson | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 482 Registered: 06-2000 |
Yeah Dyson , I know that. I have a sense for why you do that . I don't have a dog in that fight , either . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 253 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Dyson, Tom Bearden on his website has a specific DVD which caught my attention titled: "AIDS as Bilogical Warfare A Possible Electromagnetic Solution". Having the innate abilities that you posses to decipher many topics, can you shed some light on this topic please? I gather that you indeed understand his scientific propositions so would this DVD or any other that he offers be understandable for the lay person like me? I am naturally curious. Thanks bianca | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 646 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Bianca, I'm shifting my reply over to "Health Conspiracies" Cheers! Dyson | ||
Gib_niner Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 06-2006 |
hey all, came accross this new science achievement in one of the science mags, might be of interest.... basically researchers seem to have succeeded in stopping a pulse of light in its tracks and made it reappear in a different location. To Pull of the trick, they converted the light into matter, which then travelled between the two locations , before switching back. Scientists at harvard uni were able to manipulate the light using clouds of supercooled sodium atoms known as Bose-Einstein condensates...here is the link. http://www.seas.harvard.edu/haulab/slow_light_project/remote_revival/remote_revival.htm was thinking that a recent science breakthrough like this - could maybe perhaps serve, to a certain extent, as a possible rebuttal - to those folks who might put forward the contention that it is simply too outlandish....billys claims of the ET ships getting tranfromed into light/fine matter etc., AND/OR also the whole notion of billy getting beamed to and fro ships anyway just something i stumbled upon - perhaps food for thought... | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1151 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, Has anyone heard about this, chips in Humans next year in the US? http://fourwinds10.com/NewsServer/ArticleFunctions/ArticleDetails.php?ArticleID=14559 | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 229 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings everyone, In reading about the comments in regards to Semjase and women painting their faces, etc. I think what is most important is to realize now the present environmental dangers regarding pollutants and radiations which presently have great bad effects on the human body. Ever wonder why obesity is so rampant in the human population as compared to 50 years ago?, and that's only just the beginning of all the health issues which need to be looked at. Smoking is another one and how that can rapid age a person considerably, etc. I have to admit, to me people look much better without all the tattoos and body piercings. While woman look better without big breast implants and without painted lips. | ||
Chasekahn747 Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 07-2005 |
{Has anyone heard about this, chips in Humans next year in the US? } There is currently a split in the states of the us,,certain states have thus far denied that electronic id which was to be passed by this winter..states have not been obliged to allow the mandate...thus far postpon--ing the bill... The Law of Love places the welfare and the concern and feelings for others above self, it is that close affinity with all forces that we associate with being good.The law of Love denies a place for evil in the world, that resists not. Love offers the path of least resistance by cherishing, nurturing and protecting the beloved.Resist NOT evil. Expose it YES | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Scott, I remember the chip implants story from a few years ago, a family in Florida that volunteered. A link to the story is here: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4196/is_20020511/ai_n10779435 | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 03-2003 |
Scott, I just read the fourwinds10.com page. I've never heard about a law requiring chip implants by May 2008. I think it's sensationalism and "conspiracy" garbage. Also, I think the fourwinds10.com site is connected to the "I Am Sananda" people, the Phoenix Journals and all that, making it much less credible to me. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 511 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Scott and forum members Hi, Scott if I may, I'd like to make a recommendation to all members here and I would like some feedback on this. A short while back, other forum members did voice their concerns over duplicate questions asked to Billy and I must say, I for one is also guilty of such act. So in the spirit of trying to improve upon what can be improved, I'd like to use the leverage we have here in the form of a collective body of likeminded people to do up another more refined alphabetical list of subtopics covered in the answers to Billy section. Right now it seems, just to backtrack on the really helpful David Chances bibliography of the contact notes with diverse topics already covered by Billy is very very time consuming not to mention the limits of our human memory to remember all of it before composing our questions, this also applies to questions asked to Billy. I think I must have read this a numbers of times but many details still passes me by because of the limits of memory. So what I am suggesting here is to make up a new index list in a separate thread on this forum where everybody contributes towards indexing topics covered and the specific questions covered. eg. Section A Alexander the great. Posted on Friday, May 23rd, 2003- 10:01am Poster:- Beli Question:-Does Billy know anything about Alexander the Great Answer:- No, Billy doesn't have special knowledge about these historic people or persons Above layout is just an example that can be done on an excel format that can be easily retrieved. Plus having specific thread for all the topic covered in Billy's section will prevent duplicate question asked and therefore making it more efficient. So my proposal is for everyone to chip in and make it a combined effort. Also if we include a topic where it was covered on a specific book, bulletin, new translation, old Wendelle Stevens contact notes and make a reference for that as well it may help it a little more in finding specific answers that is both efficient as it is effective. Doing a search on this forum alone about a specific topic brings up many threads where it does not necessarily bring up exactly what we are looking for and plus you have to read every post of it to find that out which is very time consuming if your objective is to search something more specific. So by combining information from Answers to Billy's section along with David Chances Bibliography and devise an alphabetically indexed subtopics covered by Billy's answers as well as from other sources, duplication of questions are minimised. I try to think up a way of doing it on my own but its beyond the scope of my capabilities, so I am making this proposal if at all it is possible given the restricted nature of the forum as you Scott have a lot on your plate as it is. I have also considered the fact that every contribution of indexing has to first pass through you, so it poses some limits there as well. But its only a proposal where we can take it up or leave it and other approaches can also be entertained that is much more efficient and effective. If its worth the effort, then I am sure there will be takers I would gather. Let me know what you think Scott and other forum members here. cheers Matt | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 512 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Scott Gees Scott, the country you live in was never the land of the free, not that the country that I live in is any better. Man a federal ID number reminds me of an instance where the Australian government tinkered with the idea of having National Identification card which was soundly quashed and rightly so. I guess in a technological police state we all live in these days, whatever the country, I am sure the government has already enough information than you know about yourself all neatly tucked away somewhere. The richest man in Australia who has since passed made some of his money from selling personal details of citizens of this country. So I gather that in regards to the federal ID number, it appears the government is just consolidating what they already have in their possession. But my golly! what in the world is happening to this world, its as if Rockefeller's aspirations are being realised. His obsession with micro chipping the whole population like some cattle in the pastures herded for the animal farm is reminiscent of the movie 1984. cheers Matt | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hello Scott, Found this about the chips. http://www.snopes.com/politics/traffic/realid.asp Leann | ||
Javiermaldonadotrevinos New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2005 |
}}Lima, Peru (South America). Sunday, April 8th, 2007. To: Billy Meier & Associates of FIGU Org, Switzerland. Sub.: Responsible’s Earth Human Beings, Alliance Project against War-mongers Dear Billy and friends, I know you did not remember me at all. First time I have written at your forum’s site, at that time I had no idea of the amazing and magnitude of the wisdom, truth and knowledge that you and your organization & associates are given to us, the human beings on Earth. Fortunately, I have received at that time an important information and wisdom assistance of one of your forum’s member, Mr. Jose Barreto Silva. He had a patience and kindness to help me in order to fully understand the big picture of your amazing and true-shocking knowledge and wisdom. After that 1st. contact with your friends, also I have received a kind and important help/information assistance too, from Mr. Michael Horn and his web site: www.theyfly.com There have past more then 2-years since this, the beginning of my own path, and efforts to understand and grow thru the true and real creational life, commands & laws, and wisdom. Now I feel completely free and fully satisfied with my self and our people, my neighbors in Peru. The real true life and real wisdom & love make and open an incredible possibilities and amazing opportunities for any human being who makes his hard working and researching to look forward about the true truth on a Creational Life. But I need to tell you something about the important and ineludible duty to joint efforts of all the Earth’s people to fight against the war-mongers and against the false and darkness teachings whom still are providing and killing innocent children, women and men of our countries all around the planet. Earth. I would like you, your associates, and your friends (The Pleiaren) can look the big-picture, as my following example: “Suppose that you visit a home (Earth home-planet), when you can look a big young and strong man who is massacring a little child, because this little child is able to think by his own, and he or she is disagree or refuses to follow the evil commands orders of the big young man, stronger and older then him or her. And suppose you said to yourself, I can not do anything about this situation, because my superior council does not allow me to do anything about this case according their order to no intervention on this sorrow and sad situation.” Then I ask you and your friends what is about this superior council order? I have found that the only superior orders for this kind of situation are already instructed on our own spirit and conscience, by the Creation. You must follow your own conscience and proceed/act according with. This example that was given to you is what about… it’s happening on Earth, with the innocent people and towns against the powerful war-mongers who actually rule the Earth. There is no more kind and good leaders on Earth since the Atlantis and Mu cities. But I think so there are still good and kind men and women who are able to take this fight and challenge to open the possibility to make a better world to live on Earth. This Alliance is oriented especially to protect and safe the innocent and weak children, women and men, all around the world. The war’s decision on Earth is just in a few hands of evil and degenerated men and women, and there is nobody can fight against them. I will much appreciate your kind and better comments and response. Peace and Wisdom & Love for all people on Earth! Kind regards, Javier/PERU Mr. Javier V. Maldonado-Trevinos 1008 El Calistemo St., Urb. Las Palmeras. Lima-39. Peru Tel +511-523-0810, Lima-Peru E-mails: JavierMaldonadoTrevinos@hotmail.com, JavierMaldonado1957@yahoo.com | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Matt, It would be nice to have a topical index to the questions & answers. Right now there is a compilation of the Q&A's here: http://www25.brinkster.com/chancede/Answers.html The website has had a lot of usage in the past few days so if you can't access it try again tomorrow. | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 10-2006 |
There are now RFID chips installed in all passports issued in the US. But I read somewhere they can be disabled with a sharp hammer blow, and the passport is still useable (but not the RFID capabilities). | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 230 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Javier, I'd be interested in talking with you further, perhaps I can send you a personal invite to our Plejarens are real goup. Peace in being, James Truthseeker | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 704 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Chasekahn747, You write, (repeatedly) “The Law of Love places the welfare and the concern and feelings for others above self, it is that close affinity with all forces that we associate with being good. The law of Love denies a place for evil in the world, that resists not. Love offers the path of least resistance by cherishing, nurturing and protecting the beloved. Resist NOT evil. Expose it YES” Where did this come from please? Billy wrote a book called “The Law of Love.” This ain’t it. It is not Billy’s and should not be continually presented here, uncorrected, in such a way that it may be see as such by the ignoramusus. This is dangerous Bafath bulls—t. Salome, Dyson | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 233 Registered: 04-2003 |
You continually present the bulls--t about the Protocols of Zion even though it's not Billy and should not be continually presented here, uncorrected, in such a way that it may be seen as such by the ignoramusus. In fact you should have read just that in FIGU-Sonder-BULLETIN Nr. 34, Zionisten – Zion – Zionismus – ‹Die Protokolle der Weisen von Zion›. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 486 Registered: 06-2000 |
Dyson ; I knew that phrase wasn't from Billy . I agree that it should be removed . It's forceful in it's repetition and stinks of false teaching . MC Mark Campbell | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 708 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, If you can't get David's http://www25.brinkster.com/chancede/Answers.html we mirror it here: www.gaiaguys.net/Answers.html Cheers! Dyson | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey has Bafath anything to say about the Plejarens. I wanna hear that too, has Billy ever recieved messages from Bafath? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 514 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear David Thanks David, it just so happens that I've made a complete printout long time ago and I have it right here with me along with the bibliography of contact notes of yours. Thanks for the hard work that goes into this compilation, its so very useful. But one perplexing thought, Is it just a personal choice of yours not to participate on this discussion forum on a regular basis from time to time David maybe due to time constraints and whole lot of other reasons? Anyway it'll fantastic to have the whole Billy's answered questions indexed and made easily searchable on a thread entirely devoted to it here on this forum. It'll save a lot of time and less repeats. cheers Matt | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 204 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Chasekahn747, Maybe the chipping of humans in the US refers to the extraordinary increase in cell phones, which denote: GPS position, internet use, personal conversations etc... These are dangerous to our private information as well as Billy mentioned the frequency transmitted and received is not conducive to the good health of our bodies. The website that Scott provided is a good way to check on Urban Myths. Snopes... | ||
Chasekahn747 Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 07-2005 |
This is my personal lil part of my set up..it is not posted to anyone..i write nothing repeatidly it is automatic.. if you have/had a problem or suggesstion...please we have emailed before in private you can get me there..chase747@aol.com I like you...I am learning and re learning the universal laws..I've been on here for about a year if not 2 years.. I speak little german if any at all..so have not been fortunate to read the law of love as presented by Billy.. .I respect you and wish for you to do the same to me...If you have any suggestions email me ..offline...is it not the proper way to bring forth my error in private ..this is not a show..were all students ..So be it..i'll be awaiting your email The Law of Love places the welfare and the concern and feelings for others above self, it is that close affinity with all forces that we associate with being good.The law of Love denies a place for evil in the world, that resists not. Love offers the path of least resistance by cherishing, nurturing and protecting the beloved.Resist NOT evil. Expose it YES | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 229 Registered: 04-2006 |
Chasekahn, i agree with other forum members that your slogan is somewhat confusing. First of all you cannot care for others if you are not ready to care for yourself (this is the case of 7 billion people, mostly religious driven individuals).Love has no missionary attitude, neither rewards ONLY good things.Love rewards balanced, neutral thoughts & deeds. Second you have to be neutral.That means that the concept LOVE encompasses everything, the good and the evil, the beloved ones and the hated ones.You cannot block or delete the negative part of live, or you degenerate positively. Third, do not be ashamed or concerned about your mistakes being pointed out by other forum members.I take that as an advantage.Take as an example Billy to me in the Q&A section: "The way you seem to look at Creation is a religious way ("the Lord, our god, who is looking after his sheep").UUGh, that's gonna hurt...without suffering and pain, there is no improvement, no better experience, no evolution. Take care | ||
Chasekahn747 Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 07-2005 |
I was refering more so to a law that was trying to be passed wherein that all must have an electronic id that tracks were they go ..as in from state to state..city to city..it was thus far refuted by some states and was there fore post poned for legislation until the year of 08..it was or they were trying to pass it for it to be made mandatory by the year of 08 or the end of this year,,so far some state legislators recognize the big bro potentials in that one..this would be the state id's i am refering too..i heard this on art bell about a week ago or so ago ..but again i listen to him on podcast so i may be a little late.. The Law of Love places the welfare and the concern and feelings for others above self, it is that close affinity with all forces that we associate with being good.The law of Love denies a place for evil in the world, that resists not. Love offers the path of least resistance by cherishing, nurturing and protecting the beloved.Resist NOT evil. Expose it YES | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Matt, I do read the forum postings almost every day, though not all of them. I generally try to quietly "sit back" and learn as we go along and jump in only when I think I have something to contribute. Thank you. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 710 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Jo_jo, I always try to keep separate the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" (please see obvious disclaimer www.gaiaguys.net/protocols.htm) and “Crop Circles” (www.gaiaguys.net/meier.puzzlesolution.htm) from specific FIGU-endorsed facts, and do my best to provide information to people which should let them know FIGU’s present position on these two hyper-sensitive topics. You seem to take this matter much too personally, and yes, we are still working hard on SB34, but did you notice that Billy responded to the question about Zionists by COPYING FROM AN ENCYCLOPEDIA? You must believe that Billy is STUPID. ;-) What would he have said if someone had publicly asked him about Apollo 11? THINK, Jo_Jo! THINK! What do you know of the history of modern Zionism, Jo_Jo? I know quite a lot, and it is perhaps one of the most fascinating and important areas of research that can be done, particularly where the Zionists collaborated with Hitler so they could have their Holocaust. This is not my opinion, OK? This is unarguable historical FACT, which anybody who can read can learn for themselves if they posess a little simple logic. And it explains a LOT about the current DIRE world situation and how it came to be that way. Dear Chasekahn747, It was entirely appropriate for me to bring this mistake of yours up on this forum, since you are making it here, and it offends against the entire group. It is very straightforward. Billy wrote a book called The Law of Love and you continually refer to the Law of Love, but it is the opposite of what the prophet teaches, and you do not differentiate your odious (false) teachings from the (true) renewed teachings. Please simply do so in the future, for your own spiritual good. (What you do is very very dangerous.) Is that unreasonable? Salome, Dyson | ||
Chasekahn747 Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 07-2005 |
It is not unreasonable..So be It.. Searching for the meaning of Truth in the spirit teachings...since i am human like you..I too have to search and perceive..and in so doing may grasp the laws of creation,,judging according to the laws of nature which are of creation...so be it.. | ||
Chasekahn747 Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 07-2005 |
Has anyone here got any suggesstions on what the Law of Love would actually state in summation.. Searching for the meaning of Truth in the spirit teachings...since i am human like you..I too have to search and perceive..and in so doing may grasp the laws of creation,,judging according to the laws of nature which are of creation...so be it.. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 234 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dyson, that is internet-conspiracy nonsense. | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Chasekahn747 If you go to the section of the forum called spiritual terminology, you will find info on the Law of Love that Jacobjn put there. Robjna | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 06-2006 |
Jo_jo, I think you'd get on well with Klausmaus. You both seem to be only interested in having the same agenda here. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 515 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Robjna How are you Robjna, hows things? I hope all is going well for you. Take care cheers Matt | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 516 Registered: 07-2005 |
The Protocols are real and presents a clear and present danger to our society. As for the true authors of them, it's still unclear but it points to the most likely culprits. Roman playwright Seneca wrote. 'gui prodest scelus, is fecit' The one's who derive advantage from the crime is the one most likely to have committed it. Freemasonry/S&B Any suggestion suggesting otherwise is mere dogmatism. cheers Matt | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 517 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear David Chance Good on ya Dave you are the unassuming quiet achiever. cheers Matt | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 235 Registered: 04-2003 |
Alan: better that than to defend the neo-Nazi thinking of the Protocols. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 231 Registered: 04-2006 |
I read somewhere Billy said that the role/involvement of secret societies in world affairs and their importance was way overhyped.Illuminati, Freemasons and the likes may have influence on the world's destiny, but not the way it is described in most all those conspirative theories. Just like UFOs, secret societies would be overhyped, and much of that conspirative theories would mean efforts to spread misinformation to confuse the public a little more. Once again, how to separate the wheat from the chaff. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 717 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Jo_jo, I will defend you entitlement to your (illogical) opinions, but it IS simply not logical to suggest that the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, which first surfaced in 1884, and crop circles, which very evidently had their origins in prehistory, (and can hardly be construed as Photoshop artifacts!) are mere examples of “internet-conspiracy nonsense.” Or are you perhaps referring to the historically indisputable NAZI-Zionism nexus? re: your last comment (235) - have you even bothered to READ the Protocols for goodness sake!? Obviously not. They are shockingly anti-Semitic, and the Control Group states that that is REQUIRED and FOSTERED, in order to hide behind, and keep their "Lesser Brethern" (fellow Jews who are not in the know, who they also refer to as "cattle" like the gentiles) in check. Get real Jo_jo. Do your reading. I do not DEFEND their thinking. (!!!!) I call attention to it so it can be identified and routed. You engage in reprehensible sophistry here. Salome, Dyson | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 04-2003 |
These are the facts: 1A.) Who killed the Jews during WWII Holocaust? 1B.) Primarily Hitler’s Nazi’s. 2A.) Who had background control of leading figures of Hitler’s Nazi’s? 2B.) Giza Intelligences. 3A.) Why did Giza Intelligences want/need Jews exterminated? 3B.) Jews were standing in the way of Giza plans for world domination. 4A.) Why were Protocols of Zion documents created? 4B.) To foster anti-Semitism allowing for a climate in which Giza/Nazi plans to exterminate Jews would be permitted. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 722 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Jo_jo, And now your sources please? I had to laugh at this one: "Jews were standing in the way of Giza plans for world domination." Salome, Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 522 Registered: 07-2005 |
To Jo Jo Jo Jo you are only seeing some pieces of the jigsaw puzzle matey. Open your mind a bit wider and try to see the broader horizon and not just the ground under your nose. cheer Matt | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 237 Registered: 04-2003 |
What is your LOGICAL refutation? You make me laugh with all of your conspiracy-based nonsense too. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 238 Registered: 04-2003 |
Logical deduction from known facts. FACT: Giza Intelligences strived for world domination. FACT: Giza Intelligences had strong negative influence over Hitler and his henchmen. FACT: In the end, Hitler had two primary goals: 1.) world domination 2.) extermination of the Jews FACT: Fictitious “Protocols of Learned Elders of Zion” was used as Nazi propaganda to justify persecution of the Jews. FACT: 4-6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis in the Holocaust. Question: Why were the Jews exterminated? Answer: Because merely by existing, they stood in the way of the Giza/Hitler/Nazi plans for world domination. Please, go ahead and refute the FACTS and logical deduction. Show us what type of fine human being you are. Funny no. Sick yes. P.S.: If you need it from a "higher authority", we can see if Billy will comment on the above example of deductive reasoning in the next round of questions. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 06-2006 |
Jo_jo, please explain why the majority of all todays madia, banks and other corporations are majority jewish owned?? Exactly like the 1884 Protocols of Zion had outlined! Just Co-incedence?? It can't be because of the tiny population of Israel/Jewish people. Yes, I too had to laugh at this one "Jews were standing in the way of Giza plans for world domination." You make a lot of sense Jo_jo! | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 08-2006 |
Praise be Creation,,,,I am in constant awe. http://www.space.com/php/video/player.php?video_id=mm31A_ScaleUniverse | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 06-2006 |
Jo_jo, "If you need it from a "higher authority", we can see if Billy will comment on the above example of deductive reasoning in the next round of questions." And if the 1884 Protocols of Zion were real, would Billy be smart enough to say they were, and risk having this whole website shut down? Look around Jo_jo, today as soon as anyone utters the word Jew in a negative context, it is instantly seen and jumped on by ALL media as being antisemetic, and cry's for some sort of retaliation action is called for, and is done. If Billy said it, the media obviously won't report it, but other powers out there would be itching to use it as an excuse to close this site down. It is another Apollo 11 situation. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 233 Registered: 04-2006 |
What Billy says about the protocols of Zion in SonderBulletin 34 is that today's information, today's notion about the protocols has been manipulated and fabricated, and such protocol papers have absolutely nothing to do with the original message. The original message never stressed antisemitism, they were looking for the real identity of the jewish people and the look out to stablish a new country/nation. Those papers never interested me, and now even less.Protocols of zion nonsense=Reptoid reptilian nonsense.Or how to distort the truth and keep the people away from the real thing, while truthseekers are trapped in worthless false stories.Again, how to separate the wheat from the chaff. | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 03-2007 |
I think Hitler wished to exterminate jews exactly for the reason he admitted: he (strongly influenced by arians gize intelligences)thought jews was genetically inferior because different from lyran genetics. | ||
Fedor Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 01-2007 |
Franco, Do you think Hitler was aware he was of Extraterrestrial Spirit Form, and did he have conscious knowledge of Giza influence? How could he know of Lyran genetics? Today’s scientists don’t know this. I agree with you that Hitler had the opinion Jews were inferior, and he wanted his racially-pure world. Thus… | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 03-2007 |
He knew, as himmler and others Nazi chiefs. They knew because of connection to gizeh intelligences. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 141 Registered: 01-2006 |
Does anyone know who the group is (if they have a name) that Ptaah is referring too that is responsible for the hoax cattle mutalations and ET abductions in FIGU Special Bulletin #34? Billy: Around 22 years have now passed since you and Quetzal told me privately that you had comprehensive cognitions in regard to terrestrial UFOs and the massacre of animals and alleged abductions which were disguised as the shoddy efforts of extraterrestrials. You said thereby that, in regard to this, involved in these machinations are governments, the military, as well as industrial businesses and powerful ones of finance, which constitute a special group, to which still smaller groups are also related. At that time you promised that you would officially explain more about that when the time is ripe for that. Can one now speak publicly about that? Ptaah: Yes, that was said. And the time is also ripe for that. - With the named group, it concerns a worldwide branching from governments, the military, industrial groups, secret services, paramilitary and powerful ones of finance, as you correctly said. Those in the know and contributors are only certain elements of the same, who profit greatly, financially and power-politically, from their secret machinations, for which reason the entire powers of the government, military and industrial as well as finance are not involved in the situation and are also not informed in regard to this. The group is not organized, as such, rather is only a loose collection, whereby their interests, however, have a common form, which, already since the 1920s, was designed to operate a continuous, ingenious, large-scale disinformation campaign regarding the question of extraterrestrial life. The group, which is split into many small groups, has many kinds of technical possibilities at their disposal, which they employ for their evil and human-misleading purposes. http://www.gaiaguys.net/meiersb34.htm | ||
Fedor Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hello Franco, Did they have direct, in-person, face-to-face contacts with these Giza? I guess that is possible, because the Giza looked just like you and me, normal human beings. Hitler and his men maybe were not aware of the true origins of the Giza. Do you know if this is anywhere reported in the Contact Notes? Thank you. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 771 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Hector..... I would have to say, that I truly agree with all your posting concerning the mentioned matter(s). I too, did watch on a television documentary....that the - Protocols Of Zion - was 'Manipulated'(and False); seems, some individuals has their own plans...and found the manipulating of it...the only way to achieve their goals. I did also, mention this a while back in a posting. And thus, I would go along with Christian's reacting, when he was confronted with the mentioned on Dyson's website. So, if Billy did clarify as you mentioned, than there is NO doubt about it; as even I made clear in my previous posting....concerning this matter. Edward. | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 03-2007 |
They were telenotical (telepathically) influenced by Gizeh int., most hitler and SS chiefs, most through their "thule" occultistic society and rituals. But I think they also met face to face sometimes, during rituals in their awful Thule castle or in the night time (Hitler woke up often during the night,terrorised, shouting to his wife: "the Ubermensch (superman)is there, can you see it? I fear him!" and similar occurences. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 527 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Forum members In the recent gaiaguys translations of bulletin 34 Ptaah said...... Ptaah Von den Mikrofasern sondern sich in deren Trockenzustand Nanopartikel ab, die vom Menschen eingeatmet werden und die die Atemorgane belasten, speziell die Atemwege und die Lungen, wodurch Asthma ausgelöst werden kann, wie aber auch Atemweg- und Lungenkrebs. Ptaah In their dry state, nano-particles separate from the micro-fibers which are breathed in by humans and which burden the respiratory organs, especially the respiratory tract and the lungs, whereby asthma can be caused, as however also cancer of the respiratory tract and lungs. Billy Wie das auch der Fall ist bei den sogenannten Zimmerbrunnen-Vernebelungsanlagen und bei den Zimmer-Wasser-Verdampfern. Billy As that also is the case with the so-called indoor fountain misting systems and with the room water-vaporizers. Darüber wurde kürzlich im Fernsehen berichtet, und am letzten Sonntag haben wir in der Küche auch darüber gesprochen. Recently that was reported about on television and last Sunday we also spoke about that in the kitchen. Ptaah Vernebelungsanlagen bei Zimmerbrunnen usw., wie aber auch Wasser-Verdampfungsanlagen in Wohnräumen sind äusserst gesundheitsschädlich. Ptaah Misting systems with indoor fountains, and so forth, as well as humidifiers in living spaces, are extremely damaging to the health. Zur Anreicherung der Luftfeuchtigkeit in Wohnräumen sollten keine solchen Apparaturen oder Geräte verwendet werden, sondern nur Geräte, die Wasser in normaler Weise verdunsten lassen. No such apparatuses or devices should be utilized for the accumulation of humidity in living spaces, rather only devices that evaporate water in normal ways. --------------------------- This must then apply also to instances where cooking food is involved such as steaming vegetables or food staff, rice cookers that give off large amounts of steam, steam rooms, indoor spas in most gyms equipped with one, saunas where steam is given off when water is poured to hot rocks, certain perfumes, certain cosmetics with nano particles that are absorbed by the skin and build up inside the body thereby clogging the veins and arteries. I wonder whether we could classify certain pollutants as acting like nano particles such as fumes from the cars that goes directly into our blood stream once inhaled? In the industrial sector, many chemical pollutants are given off, for example fumes emitted from paints, fumes from spray cans of all types including painting, fumes from welding process, dusts from manufacturing and refining process of fine substances such as flour, sugar and other chemicals which is unavoidably inhaled even with a mask on. What about second hand cigarette smoke? My goodness, this nano technology is one terrifying avenue where the military can exploit devising nano robots as weapons to eradicate specific race of people just as genetic technologies can be used to target certain genetic marker and hence specific race of people. Chemtrails sprayed everywhere this day and age can also contain nano particles that kills the organism slowly over time. People living in certain part of a region are complaining of health deterioration, suffering from chronic fatigue syndrome being constantly tired and lacking energy, and a whole spate of other illnesses that seem to be on the rise more and more in this hyper industrialized world where not only do people have to contend with the verities of naturally caused dangers but more so from man made dangers that sees no end. There is not one inch of this earth not effected by man's insanity and his created poisons not to mention the big hole in the ozone layer. No wonder people are dying in droves from cancer these days which happens to be the no. 1 killer. cheers Matt | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Matt, Isn't boiling water to create steam the normal way to evaporate water? So steam is not a problem. I think Ptaah is referring to the cold mist or ultrasonic type humidifiers. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 530 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Jakes Howdy Jakes I was thinking more in terms of places where ventilation is very limited and steam room is such an example where the mist and humidity is contained and trapped in the small confined space with the same air churning inside the room over and over again that is breathed by people. Now add to this, some operators add artificial scent and here lies the problem, a friend of mine who studied chemistry once said to me long time ago, 'Do not purchase toiletry scents as they contain harmful chemicals, this includes the one's you attach to the air vent of the car for fragrance'. As for the nature of humidifiers, I use to own one of these and left it on all night when things were so dry. When I would wake in the morning, not only did I get the sense of being sticky all around but felt as if I was a laundered t-shirt hanging out to dry, I felt so tired and wasted for some reason. And the principles of how these humidifiers works is that its essentially a device that keeps on boiling water and letting off steam. But I guess I am just talking about one type of humidifier. cheers Matt | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 02-2006 |
New technology developed to photograph faraway Earth-like planets actually works, NASA researchers now find... http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/070418_tech_wednesday.html Salome, Dejan | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 231 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi everyone. I just wanted to point out to Dyson (since it involves his website), and anyone else interested, that I have found some new-ish info about the symbols in the symbol book from FIGU. According to Hans Lanzendorfer, a FIGU core group member, the symbols in the symbol book are NOT the same symbols, nor even a small number of them, as the ones used by Billy to communicate in spiritual telepathy. According to Hans, the symbols that are used in spirit telepathy are far more complex and consist of interlaced wavy lines which Billy was unable to reproduce on paper. An additional bit of info from Hans was that the symbols in the book are normally 3 dimensional, for example, where a circle is represented in the book, really a sphere is the ACTUAL shape. The info about the complexity of the spirit telepathy symbols meshes also with what Guido Moosbrugger states in "And Yet They Fly" in which I recall that he says that Billy said some of the symbols for spirit telepathy consist of hundreds of wavy lines. The reason I say that this relates to Dyson's site is because on his site about the book, he states that the symbols in the book are part of the 52million odd symbols. This is not at all the case. I myself was under the same impression and it is an honest mistake to make. I just wanted to post here to alleviate any confusion, and not in any way to degrade Dyson's work. It is much appreciated... Thomas | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 732 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thanks very much Thomas! Much appreciated! (And where oh where is the official moderation here?) Now could you please direct me to Hans's article? Cheers! Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 731 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, I’ve made some time to work through the last week or so of forum contributions now, made during our enforced break, and, off the top of my head, while they’re still fresh in my mind, I’ll try to answer some of the questions put to me and make a few gratuituous remarks, in no particular order. Mungo Man: There are no comments on the Mungo Lake people per se in the Kontactberichte, as far as I can recall, but this topic is broadly addressed @ www.gaiaguys.net/meierv6p261-262.htm and www.gaiaguys.net/meier.p6-11,13sb32.htm It seems like our planet was once crawling with different types of humans (ETs, natives and various blends) and hominids on their way up or down, most likely eating each other to extinction. The Mungo people were interesting because they had one inch thick skulls but were otherwise evidently just folks. Our Australian archeologist friend mentioned that some (unrelated) tribal Aboriginals (Koori) have a very ancient traditional sport, (particularly popular among women) whereby the two opponents face off with nulla nullas (clubs used for hunting) and take turns bashing each other on the head. Whoever falls down first loses. Great fun. I see a television marketing opportunity here. (Why are we still mining rutile? I thought after SALT, (Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty) there would be enough scrap titanium on the market already from all those melted-down ICBM nose cones. My GLASSES frames are made of the stuff!) Chemtrail pix: Ardie, very nice ones there. I count at least 5.  Scott, That’s a classic warm-weather one you caught there, but the “beam” is a crepuscular ray, that is to say, a shadow of the part of the chemtrail which goes up off the top of your photograph. Follow it along and it will point precisely at the Sun. They are like the crepuscular rays that I photographed of the blobs of precipitate coming out of the bottom of this one,  with the thin almost vertical lines going upward being the shadows of the blobs in the crap in the air which had been deposited there earlier that day by previous chemtrails. The other photograph you have of the two close mysterious lights are the reflections of the Sun off of the fore and aft sections of the bottom of the shiny aluminum fuselage of a big jet at a very high altitude, taken with a high-powered telephoto lens, so the atmospheric scatter (and contrast) makes the rest of the aircraft invisible. There is a lot of disinfo out there, for obvious reasons. The evil aliens even get blamed for the chemtrails, eh? :-) “Ugly English accent”: As previously mentioned, only as it pertains to the German (or any other) foreign language. And any regional accent in the mother tongue is in the ear of the beholder. If you are a USAmerican and you go to the UK, you’ll have an accent, and vice versa. After sitting in silence here reading how German sounds like someone clearing his throat, I thought I should mention that many native German-speakers think that the “th” sound is very rude and barbaric because you have to expose the tip of your tongue to view. Very vulgar! (And I have been told that English people in general are dirty - because they seldom wash - cold-hearted barbarians because they started the firebombing of cities in WWII and they send their children away to boarding school, so they must not love them. There are two sides to every coin you know.) Jehovah: The bizarre idea that the Bafath had to employ the Holocaust because their chosen Jews were THWARTING their plans for world domination is very facile “reasoning”. The god of the Jews was the leader of the Bafath, who steered ALL the world’s religions and kept them at each others’ throats, backing both sides in every sectarian bloodbath. The truth can be found in the study of Jewish holy scriptures if you are prepared to do your own research. (Hint: “Zohar”) Or just read the Talmud of Babylonia. If you dare. WTC missing mass/miracles: I don’t believe in miracles (as in divine intervention). http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002-09-05-miracles-usat_x.htm But I know a bit about sub-atomic particles and electromagnetism. And Black Ops. There is a lot of debate out there in the no-osphere about how much the debris weighed. Check out also the particle size of the dust. OM K47:23 “ …wer die Wahrheit finden will, der forscht beim Unscheinbaren.” ( … he who finds the truth will investigate where it is unlikely”) USAPs - not “government” – I keep seeing the word “government” bandied about here in relation to the fake ET hoax. It is not the government. Ptaah did not say it was the government, per se, and the elected “government” is more in the dark than its pig-ignorant voters. Strictly compartmentalized Unacknowledged Special Access Projects (USAPs) of the military/industrial complex, supported by a group (or grouping, more accurately) of people who traditionally assist each other and have a disproportionately large influence in the following areas: the banking and the financial sector, arms sales, gold, diamonds, pharmaceuticals, oil, literature and the academe, and the arts/entertainment/news industries. See if you can work it out. :-/ “V” for “Volume”? Or “V” for verse?: Since there are only 8 volumes of the Contact notes (for now), if I wrote, as a reference, for instance, “v6, p8, v99-106” that means Volume 6, page 8, verses (or sentences) 99 – 106. Sorry about the confusion. My fault. In the future I’ll write v6, p8, s99 -106, “s” standing for “sentence(s)”. By the way, that’s Quetzal talking about the all the secret concentration camps all over the world where secret torturous medical experiments are done on all the helpless unwilling victims, like the interred US citizens of Japanese ethnicity during WWII, etc. Dejan has done a great job, this time in fleshing out Ptaah, and I’ll post it up on the site as soon as I can. Since Christian Krukowski worked form Ptaah’s sketches, I’m not sure if he got thought-impulse assistance, (I’m on the case) and took some artistic license with Ptaah’s ears. You’ll notice that he (Ptaah) did not draw his own ears, but has them concealed by with his side-locks. Interesting that – of course – Orthodox Jews also wear distinctive side-locks. And anybody got any guesses as to what sort of great hairy human Jehovah was? www.gaiaguys.net/Jehova%20by%20Semjase.jpg @ www.gaiaguys.net/meierv2p406-410,v4p55-58,98-101.htm Cheers! Dyson | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 232 Registered: 03-2004 |
I am leaving in a few moments Dyson but when I get home this evening I will post Hans original post here in original German and in English. I may have made a mistake in part of my earlier post but I am checking on that before I comment further. Kind regards, Thomas | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 233 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello again Dyson! See below the english versions of Hans' posts followed by the address for the german page to save space here. By the way, if I have misinterpreted, or been misinformed, I will gladly retract my statement whereever there is an error. I do not have the book in question, but I did assume that Core Group members were accurate sources of FIGU info. I apologize if I have been in error. I am just not sure yet if I have been... Here are the post and link: Published on Tuesday, 13. March 2007 - 08:24 clock: The symbols in the symbol book were sketched by Nokodemjon and called up by Billy from the memory banks. Therefore they are not universal symbols in this sense. For the transmissions serve more than 52 million so-called mind symbols which, to my knowledge, are much more complicated than those in the symbol book which stand in each case for a concept. I can remember a discussion that we had once years ago with Billy about it and he explained that these symbols were not to be compared with the conventional symbols, and also that complete sentences were explained (by them). How these procedures occur in detail during a transmission in his consciousness, however, is naturally not well known to me. Hans George Lanzendorfer/FIGU kg of the 49 ---------------------------- Published on Tuesday, 13. March 2007 - 23:25 clock: The symbols in the book are only black and white. There are only few few, which Billy called up with their colors; the peace and spirit teaching symbols. In accordance with his statements, a calling up that would show color requires very very much more time than the simple symbols. Apart from that fact, they are also only shown in two dimensions on paper. In reality they are however three-dimensional. Circles are for example balls etc. Hans George Lanzendorfer/FIGU kg of the 49 ---------------------------- Published on Sunday, 18. March 2007 - 08:26 clock: I inquired with Billy concerning the symbols. It is actually as I described in detail on 13.3. that the 52 million spirit symbols to be used with the transmissions, etc.could not at all be noted because they are much too complex, interlaced, and are whole symbol sequences etc. Hans George Lanzendorfer/FIGU kg of the 49 ----------------------------------- forum.figu.org/de/messages/1304/2919.html?1174662263 | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 546 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum Whilst the world's attention is directed at the massacre at Vtech, the slaughter of innocent people goes on in Iraq and elsewhere. Some 3 aircraft carriers are already stationed in the middle east not to mention nuclear submarines and new radar installations being built in Europe preparing for the final armageddon against Iran. If thats what it takes to curtail the inevitable collapse of the US dollar now sliding into oblivion and one nation after another turning to euro, the already bankrupt US and the synarchist oligarchs must be fomenting every possible means of emptying the national treasury to the last dollar to their own coffers with another war before we the 'cattles' are left to fend for ourselves in the eventual collapse of the worldwide economy. I gather that we the serfs aren't invited to the 'Jupiter Island' bunny harriman was so fond of when the poo hits the fan. It must be a tropical paradise out there. cheers Matt | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 735 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Thomas, Thanks for drawing that to my attention. Is this your translation? I’m not really sure if Hans’s explanation adds to the gist translation of part of the book’s introduction that we already have here @ www.gaiaguys.net/meier.symbole.htm (snip)There are a total of 52,476,812 of these symbols, which are in full color in their original complete and very complex form. They were recorded in very ancient times by Nokodemion and Henok for the spirit teachings and some were laboriously retrieved and reproduced by Billy Meier from his storage banks. Due to the enormous effort required to retrieve and reproduce the amount of data contained in the colored versions, the book reproduces them in black and white. These symbols are used for spiritual telepathic communications, and to convey the Plejaren Federation contact notes, which Billy then automatically translates and types into the German language. This is not a simple picture book, but a book designed for the study of the symbols of the spirit teachings, and each symbol can open an entire world and universe of new thoughts, insights, recognitions, and connections if correctly studied and contemplated. This is not something that is achieved over night but rather an ongoing process that can continue for the rest of one's life.(snip) I had assumed that the “very complex form” would include 3d, since several of the symbols are things like doves and flowers, etc. Thanks again. Please keep you ear to the ground and let me know if I can correct/amend our webpage. Salome, Dyson | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 234 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello Dyson and everyone. Yes the translation is mine, but to be honest, I am a little confused now. I'll tell you why. In the intro snippet you showed, it is clear that there are more than 52 million of the symbols from which the ones in the symbol book came. So I wonder if either Hans Georg made a mistake, or if I misinterpreted his posts. Another thing that adds to the mystery for me, is that I personally read in Guido Moosbrugger's book "And Yet They Fly" that Guido once asked Billy if he could draw one of the spirit telepathy symbols and Billy said something like that it was too difficult because the symbols were very complex, and some of them consisted of HUNDREDS of squiggly lines! So now, if you are confused, join the club!!!  I would REALLY like to know the truth about this, and I would gladly post on the german forum but I am not comfortable enough yet to do so because of my german skills, or lack of. When I do a written translation, it takes alot of effort to get it right as it is, and I am still having some difficulties with getting a solid understanding of the grammar (specifically word order). Anyway, I'll let you all know if I find out any more, but maybe you might consider a post on the german forum to clarify with Hans George Lanzendorfer. He is a core group member and moderator, and he also seems to be glad to answer questions over there, even if he has to check in with Billy... | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 739 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear all, Our phoneline was totally dead since Sunday and it's just been "fixed" (again) for a while(?), so I just wanted to say that I've written a little article about words which is linked off of www.gaiaguys.net/meier.whatsnew.htm for the time being. (Also @ www.gaiaguys.net/translations.htm) And I've downloaded all the recent forum contributions, so I'll work through them and try to reply as soon as I can. Dear Thomas, I'm not confused about the sprit symbols, but I'm a little confused about the source of your confusion about them. What is the nature of your confusion exactly? Many of the symbols do indeed consist of hundreds of wavy lines. Our friend Hector is on the German language forum (but I'm not) so maybe he can intercede for you. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 03-2007 |
Dyson: "This is not a simple picture book, but a book designed for the study of the symbols of the spirit teachings, and each symbol can open an entire world and universe of new thoughts, insights, recognitions, and connections if correctly studied and contemplated." What IS the correct way to study and contemplate the symbols? Are "instructions" included with the book? Regards Bob | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 742 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, I noticed that another JFK item was doing the rounds. Some of the Disclosure Project witnesses had things to say about that, and there is one CIA internal document which got leaked out which is a little hard to read, but quite enlightening. It's from Greer's "ET Contact" book. It's about Marilyn Monroe (Sigh!)www.gaiaguys.net/monroe.htm And from the 500 page Congressional Briefing Document (www.gaiaguys.net/DPBriefingdocument.zip) (snip) Fast forward to June of 1963. Kennedy is flying to Berlin to deliver his famous speech proclaiming, “I am a Berliner.” On board Air Force One is a military man who relates the following: Kennedy, on the long flight, at one point began discussing the UFO matter with this military officer. He admitted that he knew the UFOs were real, had seen the evidence, but then astonished the officer by stating that “the whole matter is out of my hands, and I don’t know why...” Kennedy said that he wanted the truth to come out, but that he couldn’t do it. And this is the President of the United States, the Commander in Chief of the armed forces, stating that the matter is out of his hands, and he doesn’t know why. I wonder if he found out before he was killed later that year. P 28 (Greer) (snip) "Kennedy may have been engaged in a bit of a struggle with the CIA in trying to get more information on the UFO subject. And, the story goes, that he might have been thinking that he ought to take it up with the Russians. Now, if he were thinking of taking it up with the Russians, the CIA may have thought this was a premature and very dangerous thing to do, and that might account for his termination…" p. 294 Testimony of Mr. Gordon Creighton, Former British Foreign Service Official (snip) I've got the above @ www.gaiaguys.net/ufology.htm I've also got some better scans of the CIA's old anti-gravity "Fluxliner" @ www.gaiaguys.net/meiersb34.htm Salome, Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 553 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day dyson you wrote... A Word about Words But seventy years ago something really unexpected happened in New Mexico, which the ancient prophets seemingly didn¡¯t accurately foresee, (but Sfath did, and so did Billy) and it changed everything. ................................................ That's the year 1937 Dyson, so inevitably its 10 years short of Roswell New Mexico (1947). Great article well put together Dyson. The dreaded rising inflection really had me thinking but I'll put aside 'rhetorical questions' as an exception. cheers Matt | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 743 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thanks, Matt! (Ha ha!) Seventy - sixty ... what's a decade here or there? (D'oh!) I guess it just SEEMS like 70 years! :-/ Hi Bob, „Symbole der Geisteslehre aus den Speicherbänken von Nokodemion und Henok - Eine Auswahl von 601 Geisteslehre-Symbolen aus einem Speicherbank-Bestand von mehreren Millionen Symbolen.“ (Symbols of the Spirit Teachings from the Storage Banks of Nokodemion and Henok - A Selection of 601 Spirit Teachings Symbols from a Storage bank Inventory of Several Million Symbols) actually has a six page foreword by Billy and a nine page introduction by (K49 member) Bernadette Brand, so it does go into some detail. I deliberately didn’t convey that material because the little thumbnails I provide @ www.gaiaguys.net/meier.symbole.htm are not going to get you there anyway, so I do not want people to waste their valuable time trying. I just put up that webpage as another little bit of logical evidence (for those familiar with linguistics/semiotics) of the logically indisputable overall genuineness of the Meier contacts saga, but not as a substitute for learning the language - which seems to be the necessary high hurdle these ET’s put in the way of the non-German-speaking world – and studying the books. Without having the book of actual symbols in front of you and the rather deep language experience to fully understand the words to which they relate, it just won’t work. Vivienne and I are just constantly astonished that this mind-blowing extraterrestrial contact/return of the prophet phenomenon has happened, and not only is almost nobody interested, they don’t WANT to KNOW! It’s got me beat why everybody is not doing what we do, (buy all the books, learn German like crazy, tell the world) but we are taught that only very very few will be called to this stuff, and those of us who are will be viciously and constantly attacked for our altruistic alacrity. Go figure. Crazy Earthlings, eh Bob? :-) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 03-2007 |
Dyson: "I deliberately didn’t convey that material because the little thumbnails I provide @ www.gaiaguys.net/meier.symbole.htm are not going to get you there anyway, so I do not want people to waste their valuable time trying." Fair enough. I guess I'll just have to get the book then. But you realize this makes you a bit of a tease?! :-) I'm kidding, of course. I appreciate ALL that you do in sharing glimpses into this material. And it does seem that you have to dangle the carrot to motivate us Crazy Earthlings, myself included! Regards Bob | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 159 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Dyson http://gaiaguys.net/awordaboutwords.htm DOUBLEPLUSGOOD! Salome Eric | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 555 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Dyson Dyson I thought it was just my computer but it seems the link www.gaiaguys.net/monroe.htm does not work. cheers Matt | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Bob It is my understanding that the spirit symbols are taught througout the Spirit Lessons. I gather that when partaking of those lessons, learning how to interpret the symbols is part of the learning process. there are a couple of lessons in the second spirit lesson volume that are about symbols, but it mentions in the intro to the spirit symbol book, that they are one aspect of the 'Geisteslehre'. Robjna | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 749 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, Haste makes waste! I'm not doing well, am I? It's on www.gaiaguys.net/ufology.htm, but what I MEANT to write was: www.gaiaguys.net/monroe.jpg Sorry! :-/ Thanks, Eric! I'm adding to that article as I think of things. I added the rising inflection part, and I thought of something else this morning, but forgot again. Oh well! Bob, Yeah. You've got the picture. But it's not JUST a tease. It's also about not burning people with the truth - a hard lesson for me, being so didactic. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hello, Robjna. Thanks for your additional input. You have just exponentially peaked my interest! When you say,” ..learning how to interpret the symbols," do you mean how individual components of a symbol are put together to mean one thing and not another? Outstanding! I have always thought of geometry as the Universal Language. When I studied architecture, I concerned myself with understanding how combinations of shapes has its’ influence on the human aesthetic and psychology. I even have an old set of tarot cards that are completely made up of geometric shapes. I never actually used them for divination, but the instruction manual that came with it explained how shapes and their combinations communicate the unconscious. Regards Bob | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Bob re your idea of geometry --- well, that seems to be the case -- it is mentioned in the teachings that the whole of creation is arranged/constructed on geometry, and everything from the beginning of existence has a numerical value and geometry. It is described that all cosmic laws are detectable geometrically and mathematically, including all cosmic forces and cosmic matter. The symbols are an aid to recalling forgotten laws, knowledge and principles, and this form of recall doesn't have the need for long explanations. Combinations of straight lines, curves, squares, rectangles, corners, ovals points etc... all have their own meanings and as you mention, when combined form specific information packages. I remember reading about how spirit telepathy works, in an article in Wissenwertes No.2 --- where it explains that primary telepathy still utilises the material anatomy of the ear, the auditory canal and the other internal organs of the ear and hearing, picking up the 'thoughts' and 'hearing' them through the ears in the normal manner --- whereas spirit telepathy does not use this method. Pure spirit telepathy occurs by a thought being formed in the consciousness, then being radiated to the subconscious using spirit power. These thoughts are converted into symbol pictures which form energetic impulses that will be sent to the receiver by forces of the spirit. These energetic impulses arrive in the receiver's subconscious, where they are converted back into symbol pictures, and then conveyed to the receiver's material consciousness. It is all very interesting. Bob, I am sure you have found all the info on the web about geometry and the universe. Arthur Young has done alot of work in this regard. I have a book of his called 'Geometry of Meaning'. And of course, all the sciences and other groups use symbols, old and current -- seems to be part of our heritage that we have not yet lost. in peace Robjna | ||
Chasekahn747 Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 07-2005 |
May I ask,are these spirit lessons given as a course by FIGU? I Like you am searching for the meaning of Truth in The spirit teachings...since I am human like you..I too have to search and perceive..and in so doing may grasp the laws of Creation,,judging according to the laws of nature which are of creation...so be it.. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 752 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Bob, In reply to your question, “ … individual components of a symbol are put together to mean one thing and not another?” Actually, Billy writes that these symbols aren’t really made up of meaningful subsets, in the way you seem to suggest, but each must be seen as a whole. This is of course a little hard to recognize because so many of them do indeed appear to be constructed from independently meaningful constituents. They seem to demand a lot of contemplation. (Nice to hear from you again Robjna! Always a wellspring of useful information!) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hello again, Robjna! You make a great salesperson for the Spirit Lessons und Geisteslehre! Where do I sign up?! Was ist los? Auf deutsch, bitte? Yes, I have read a great deal on the subject of sacred geometry. And when you speak of numerical values, the most notorious of them all is 1.61803.. , better known as the Golden Ratio or Phi. ;-) But I have not had the pleasure of reading Arthur Young’s 'Geometry of Meaning'. And now I shall. So thank you for bringing it to my attention! Thanks again, Bob | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Chasekahn747, and Bob Yes, they are structured lessons. Once you have become a passive member, you can apply to to the 'Geisteslehre' -- and once paid and approved you receive one book of 4 lessons per 4 months. These lessons are written by Billy, and are specifically designed to teach you creational truths, to understand them, and to gain knowledge from them, which will lead to wisdom, which in turn, increases the power of your spirit. However, I must also say that, alot of the spirit lesson material is also written in Billy's books. It is not written in the same format, but alot of the info is available within the pages of the books. In these books that have this info, it is stated that it comes from a particular spirit lesson. I have only just finished my second book of lessons, and await the third, so I am not too far along, but I have also read quite a few of the books as well --- but they take time to digest, to understand anyway, and of course, they are in German which makes the speed of translation force me to study the material rather than just read it--- and i can't complain about that. Bob, I suspected you were into sacred geometry -- if you check out Arthur Young's site on the net, and are interested, there is a yahoo group devoted to his work -- which is rather innovative -- although with the help of Billy's material, there could have been 'breakthrough's' in my opinion. I have in my mind that you are from Queensland for some reason --- if so, then I don't live that far from you, me being only 100kms or so north of Brisbane. But I may be confusing you with someone else. Robjna | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 03-2007 |
Why, Robjna, you flatter me! Did you not notice my ugly American accent?! Perhaps, I should just play along - being mistaken for an Aussie right now would actually be an improvement on my international rep. So let’s just keep that between you and me - our little secret! I’ll even pepper my posts with G’day and Cheers! ;-) But seriously, I live in the States, right dab in the middle between St. Louis and Kansas City. There is a burgeoning environmental movement here and I have aligned myself with others in a group working toward a sustainable planet. We recently started a website, screamingearth.org but there’s not much on it yet. The irony of this story, is that I didn’t get interested in these teachings until just after I moved here from Los Angeles, where there was a Billy Meier Study Group that could have been helpful to me. I was living in the same town as Michael Horn and just north from Dietmar Rothe. But, I didn’t know that these spiritual lessons even existed then - I thought it was just another contact story. So it goes. Cheers! Aussie Bob BTW, have you met, Dyson? He's almost an Australian, too! :-) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1174 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Bob, Small world, I used to attend meetings which included Dietmar, and have attended a few in Michaels area...perhaps I have run into you?? Scott | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 03-2007 |
Italian si a great language too, I am sure spirituallity can be explained well in italian! NATURAL HEALTH: WWW.GETPERFECTBODY.COM | ||
The_future Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 02-2007 |
Hello Bob, I checked your website. Does your group plan on addressing the issue of overpopulation? Because that seems the only real way of returning the planet to sustainability. In response to a person's question as to what happens to the Universal Law of the Abundance of Nature in an over-populated world, Billy said it doesn't fulfill itself anymore. The result is suffering, shortage, pain and damage. Q: How does the Universal Law of the Abundance of Nature fulfill itself in an overpopulated world? A: It doesn't fulfill itself anymore. The result of overpopulation is shortage, suffering, pain and damage. Best wishes with your project. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 03-2007 |
Scott: "Small world, I used to attend meetings which included Dietmar, and have attended a few in Michaels area...perhaps I have run into you??" Well there you go. ANOTHER missed opportunity on my part! Did you ever attend any of the lectures at the Bodhi Tree Bookstore on Melrose? If you did, our paths might have crossed there. Regards and regrets, Bob | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Franco Yes, Italian is a great language -- my mum loves Italy, Italians and the language, having fallen in love with an Italian and spending some time there -- so have heard a little Italian over the past 30 yrs. I read the Italian forum, and have seen you there, and noticed that you have moderators that provide valuable insights into the Meier teachings -- so yes, Italian does a good job with spiritual exaplantions. Hey Aussie Bob  You are welcome to try on the Aussie way of talking -- most Yanks do an hilarious effort, but on paper it is left to ones imagination. I haven't been to central US, only to Califonia and Florida -- a whopping big place! I have not met Dyson yet, he is maybe 5 or 6 hours drive south of here -- but one day we Australians interested in Billy's teachings may meet up. It is interesting that realising there are spiritual teachings is not usually the first thing that draws people in. For me, I watched all the dvd's first, as was downloading them for a friend, and it peaked my interest -- and then downloaded the Randy Winters tapes, and that is when I realised how it all fit together -- all of the teachings and how amazingly important this was (even though I have since found out that not all that is mentioned on those tapes is correct --- it was still my entrance ticket!) If you do enter into this realm of lessons, I know you will not be disappointed! Robjna | ||
Andyr Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 03-2007 |
Franco, a great language too for picking up sexy girls? | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Franco Yes, Italian is a great language -- my mum loves Italy, Italians and the language, having fallen in love with an Italian and spending some time there -- so have heard a little Italian over the past 30 yrs. I read the Italian forum, and have seen you there, and noticed that you have moderators that provide valuable insights into the Meier teachings -- so yes, Italian does a good job with spiritual exaplantions. Hey Aussie Bob You are welcome to try on the Aussie way of talking -- most Yanks do an hilarious effort, but on paper it is left to ones imagination. I haven't been to central US, only to Califonia and Florida -- a whopping big place! I have not met Dyson yet, he is maybe 5 or 6 hours drive south of here -- but one day we Australians interested in Billy's teachings may meet up. It is interesting that realising there are spiritual teachings is not usually the first thing that draws people in. For me, I watched all the dvd's first, as was downloading them for a friend, and it peaked my interest -- and then downloaded the Randy Winters tapes, and that is when I realised how it all fit together -- all of the teachings and how amazingly important this was (even though I have since found out that not all that is mentioned on those tapes is correct --- it was still my entrance ticket!) If you do enter into this realm of lessons, I know you will not be disappointed! Robjna | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hmmmmm Bob said: Scott: "Small world, I used to attend meetings which included Dietmar, and have attended a few in Michaels area...perhaps I have run into you??" Well there you go. ANOTHER missed opportunity on my part! Did you ever attend any of the lectures at the Bodhi Tree Bookstore on Melrose? If you did, our paths might have crossed there it is a small world -- I haven't been to too many places in the US but I have been to the Bodhi Tree Bookstore -- had an interesting experience there but this is not the place to go into that :-) -- bought some great books there, which I had to cart all through Peru with me -- that was back in 1991 ---- I realised recently, that I came across Billy's material at that time, but didn't realise it --- and going to the Bohdi Tree store was part of that encounter --- mainly through Shirly McClaine, who as you all know wrote her novel 'Out on a limb' using information she gained from Billy, and about Billy --- and then I went to Peru, and there, was told a story, whilst at Machu Pichu, about the Syrian/Lyran/Pleiadean connection with earth -- which I realise now was almost word for word from the contacts notes ---- and had my second encounter with UFO's as well in that special place --- little did I know that all this was linked to Billy, and that 15 years later, would officially find it all again. It seems there are no 'accidents' of this kind, but impulses that direct us, if we choose to let them, to the places we need to go. in peace Robjna | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1176 Registered: 12-1999 |
Indeed, I too have been to the Bohdi Tree!..... | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 03-2007 |
The_future: "Does your group plan on addressing the issue of overpopulation?" The group has recently identified and agreed on short-term and long-term goals. The short term goals are mainly associated with just organization. The long term goals will include education and awareness of ALL the dynamics of sustainability, including overpopulation. The mechanics of how that will be done is still to be decided. But we will soon be meeting with newly elected city councilmen to discuss adoption of protocols for The Natural Step (see: www.naturalstep.org) To initiate change you must initiate dialogue. I think we all agree there has to be a serious consciousness shift regarding overpopulation. But you have to start somewhere. And if man doesn’t do it voluntarily, Earth may do it for him (disease, drought, cataclysm, etc.). Robjna: "...bought some great books there, which I had to cart all through Peru with me..." I can just see a pack train of heavily-ladened llamas traversing narrow mountain paths and you at the front wearing an over-sized broad rimmed hat pulling on the lead rope. No? Robjna: "If you do enter into this realm of lessons, I know you will not be disappointed!" Most assuredly, I will. And I hope you will still be around the forum when I start asking the questions about them. Or will I need to move over to the German forum for that? Regards Bob | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hi Scott Yeah, The Bodhi Tree is an amazing place. I saw Richard Gere in there once. And Liz Story, my favorite pianist. By the way, I read that the Los Angeles Study Group had done some translations of Meier material and awaits final approval. Would you happen to know if Dietmar participated in that? Regards Bob | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 06-2006 |
Bob: I can just see a pack train of heavily-ladened llamas traversing narrow mountain paths and you at the front wearing an over-sized broad rimmed hat pulling on the lead rope. No? not quite --- but close --- not into oversized hats, but did clamber up a steep pathway or two and there were llamas -- in Bolivia was a very steep 1200 ft climb at 9,000 feet - thin air proved to be a challenge but somehow survived -- paid some nifty kids to 'run' up with my gear --- but was worth getting to the top -- twas on the Isand of the Sun in Lake Titikaka. One of my fellow travellers got lost on the island that night, not arriving back with the rest of the group after venturing out -- and claims to have had a close encounter of the 3rd kind -- she was quite 'uncomposed' when found the next day-- and unfortunately had to go home and appeared to be psychologically imbalanced when I saw her the next morning. I would love to speak with her now to find out more about her claimed encounter. Re the lessons --- I am likely to be here for the duration -- even if my presence is not always felt, I am here, as are others studying as well -- and as I progress in my studies, will be happy to offer any learnings or insights as appropriate. The German forum does have around 3 core group members moderating, and answering questions, which is nice to know when studying the material and needing clarification. There are a handful on this forum as well who have been studying longer than I have, so at some point there will also be some knowledgeable assistance available from them if they choose, to help Scott with his role as moderator. in peace Robjna | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Everyone, For those interested, The Work of Byron Katie is a good example of the power of thought. Her Website here http://www.thework.com/ Regards Adam | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 212 Registered: 10-2005 |
(Please put this where you feel it is best or not include) Hi Scott and Dyson, Zeta Reticuli, four light years away, is where the supposed Contact Examination when Betty and Barney Hill were "observed". This, if you remember, was one of the few examination contacts Billy mentioned as being real. The context in of the image in: (the FIGU/Mission/Misc...) was agreement with Norm indicating other life forms out there. You can read more into it, but there is no hidden adgenda nor ulterior motive on my part... am learning like many of us. It is a two page article written by a very intelligent lady, taking the material presented (from Betty's memory) in the case and researching it logically. It took the third grade teacher several years of careful observation to find the star map that coincided with an actual group of stars in the southern hemisphere... Zeta Reticuli. Thanks to Scott and Dyson for keeping the group on it's toes... | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1178 Registered: 12-1999 |
Rarena, The Hill case has been stated to be untrue according to the Plejarens, "The disrupted electromagnetic fields of the earth have been the cause of the untrue memories of the Hills. All these factors will become or could be knowingly or unknowingly manipulated, which means that the hypnotised describe their unreal happenings and unrealities etc." Please do your research before making statements which you assume to be true. This creates disinformation and confusion to those who take such statements at face value. Scott | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 03-2007 |
Every time the speak goes to Zeta Reticuli ETs, PLejaren change their mind about facts, as in crop circles issue, that Semjase at first told made by Zeta Reticulians adn then told "only hoax". This is ridicoulus, crop circles cannot be all hoaxes and the Hills couldn't have had the same dream or allucinations together in same moment! Plejaren are protecting or hiding Reticulians' affairs. An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.GETPERFECTBODY.COM | ||
Chasekahn747 Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 07-2005 |
In his defense,,thou it was stated to be untrue,,at one time was also stated to be true..by the plejaren,,then corrected...to be untrue..if he got the initial validation ,,he may have missed the correction.. Salome I Like you am searching for the meaning of Truth in The spirit teachings...since I am human like you..I too have to search and perceive..and in so doing may grasp the laws of Creation,,judging according to the laws of nature which are of creation...so be it.. | ||
Mikaelmetso Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2007 |
Francofiori2004: "... the Hills couldn't have had the same dream or allucinations together in same moment!" Why they couldn't have had similar hallucinations at the same moment? Mikael Metso | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 03-2007 |
Robjna: "...did clamber up a steep pathway or two and there were llamas -- in Bolivia was a very steep 1200 ft climb at 9,000 feet -- twas on the Isand of the Sun in Lake Titikaka. One of my fellow travellers got lost-- and claims to have had a close encounter of the 3rd kind..." You're Shirley McLaine aren't you?! :-) Someday I would like to hear the rest of that story, Shirley, but I have one more question before you get back to the Spiritual Lessons...how did you learn German? I bought a Berlitz course and I've been told there's better systems out there. Do you have any recommendations? Regards Bob | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 213 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Scott, My insertion of the Zeta Reticuli image was a response or augmentation to Norm about other beings who visit Earth. If the Betty and Barney Hill story is not true, my mistake. I could have sworn there was a positive reference in the answers from Billy section but apparently not. I stand corrected and appreciate being corrected…. It is my main impetus to learn. It was my understanding this was one of the few examination contact cases that were true… NOT. As to other human life forms being present (the jist of my image placement) on Zeta Reticuli here is what I found: ********************************* Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 – 07:19 am: Hi Billy, I hope you are keeping well. My question is: Who made the Roswell biological androids? Thank you, and stay well, cpl Answer ***Human Beings from the Zeta Reticuli system***} ********************************* Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 03:39 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Billy, Thank you for answering about the androids visiting here at the behest of humans from Zeta Reticuli. My other question is: "Why are they here, or what were, or are, these androids doing here, and have they conducted examination contacts?" Thank you Billy, Peace and health be with you. Answer They were on an excursion and a very long time on the way because they were traveling with sub-lightspeed. From Jakobjn, ********************************** Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 – 03:03 pm: Original Jay :-) Yes, the Zeta's where the ones who send down Andriods to our world. ________________________________________ Salome(Peace in Wisdom), Jakobjn Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2007 |
Francofiori2004: "... the Hills couldn't have had the same dream or allucinations together in same moment!" Why they couldn't have had similar hallucinations at the same moment? Oh my Creation, how many chances there are of such a thing?? An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.GETPERFECTBODY.COM | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 08-2006 |
Why oh Why are we bickering over whether or not infinity has boundaries, even the Plejaren's state that there are other universes out there and are still in the learning process. Why can't we be open to the fact that this galaxy is not alone and never will be so long as it is full of possibilities to ponder on... not withstanding the probabilities galore! Everything as they say is reflected in the eye of the beholder and how that affect's us in our day to day life... and by heavens, just having the means to even begin to understand it is asking a lot! We are just in the beginning stages on the way to enlightenment and if they choose whether or not to give us the full story... for what ever reason, we have to accept that! We may not like it... but that's the cards we've been dealt with! So suck up... and prepare for the long journey ahead. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1181 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Randy, Have you read this article? http://www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/s25/the_newest.htm Scott | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 216 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Scott, No have not read it, Will read thanks. Randy | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 217 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Scott, Dyson and Matt, That settles it then. Do not know where I found that article which was posed as a "Questions to Billy Answered" on an alternate website explaining the reality of the Hills contact. I appreciate the redirection as I was clearly misdirected. Although, that still does not give anyone the right to call me an idiot or blame me for anothers actions or behavoir. We all have free will, nicht wahr? My main goal here is to learn... thank you for the opportunity to do so. All is forgiven by me... no harm done. Peace be on Earth and among all beings. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 255 Registered: 04-2006 |
The prophet: Speak little, write a lot. The truthseeker: Write little, read a lot. Rarena, you are a truthseeker, not a prophet, so my advice is read much and write only when you consider your knowledge about spiritual matters to be superior to the knowledge of our fellow forum members.... Nobody should write "unnecessary posts" if they are not going to add nothing new, or if they create misunderstandings , heat too much the debate.In our way to spiritual growth we should skip mediocre sources of info and focus on looking for excellence. Economy & efficiency of resources is a natural law.Ideas, thoughts and post should be analyzed, scrutinized before they make their way into this forum. Billy wants everybody just to ask 1 question, and that refers exactly to "quality of ideas".It will take 1 month to that question to be answered, so its the asking person task to meditate thoroughly what matter is more interesting to him to be explained by Billy. Just a few thoughts | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 08-2006 |
Randy... my comments weren't directed at you but in general to those who choose to be closed minded and put limits to the possibilities and probabilities out there, I myself believe that Billy's interpretations are not always 100% accurate but... again that's just my opinion. I believe in the Hills and of other experiences and those in which I have had... believable or not! Don't believe they were hallucinations, the marks are too real and the memory too fresh and hurts too deep! Not everyone out there is working on the same lines as the Plejeran's. Please, never forget your gut feelings and always always trust your instincts they'll never let you down! No matter what others might say or think! I say... It's best to walk the walk and talk the talk, experience is it's best teacher well... at least that's what we were taught to do in order to survive with in Korea, Vietnam and Thailand. Love Mat ;) | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 07-2006 |
How desperately we need more music, the kind MUSE is playing nowadays. Have you guys noticed how closely Matt's guitar effects sometimes resemble the sound of Billy's beamship recording? It is not just MUSE who are doing it, INCUBUS are doing exactly the same thing, it's unmistakable. Anyways, here's the lyrics called "Exo-Politics" off muse's latest album :Black Holes and Revelations Open skies over me I am waiting patiently I wait for a sign As conspiracies unwind Will you slam shut Or free your mind Or stay hypnotised When the Zetas fill the skies Will our leaders tell us why Fully loaded satellites Will conquer nothing but our minds And I've waited patiently And I wait for the sign Carried through the centuries Secrets locked up And loaded on my back Well it weights me down When the Zetas fill the skies It's just our leaders in disguise Fully loaded satellites Will conquer nothing but our minds peace, | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Bronzedesk, Did not think you were talking to me... As to the Hills, it was a mistake, thought I read something that said it was a true contact but I was incorrect. Trusting in your guts is not recommended. Use your logical process... we do not think with our guts. Jacobus, the Zetas? My goal is to grow in knowledge, love, peace, wisdom and harmony. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 253 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Scott, I respect your decision in regards to Dysons response. I also understand that the need to know of what was written by Dyson can be discovered through dialogue with Dyson, so it's up to each of us to acquire this through our own efforts, not yours. Thank you Scott for being a solid stable moderator. We can never appreciate what a challenge you must truly endure, and for myself, I can say your strength pulls additional meaning from what I gratefully learn here each and every day. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 02-2006 |
Robjna: "...did clamber up a steep pathway or two and there were llamas -- in Bolivia was a very steep 1200 ft climb at 9,000 feet -- twas on the Isand of the Sun in Lake Titikaka. One of my fellow travellers got lost-- and claims to have had a close encounter of the 3rd kind..." You're Shirley McLaine aren't you?! :-) Someday I would like to hear the rest of that story, Shirley, but I have one more question before you get back to the Spiritual Lessons...how did you learn German? I bought a Berlitz course and I've been told there's better systems out there. Do you have any recommendations? Regards Bob ??? been waiting......can you make a comment on this please, Robjna? | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 01-2007 |
Dear Scott I would like to echo Shawn’s sentiments which were well stated indeed. Dyson’s and Vivienne’s words will be missed by me from these discussions, despite being here only a number of months I have learned a lot through their hard work on translations and viewpoints, although I was not always in agreement with some viewpoints and approaches, I respected their efforts on this forum in bringing additional knowledge to cogitate over. Sometimes it is not always possible to see the truth in front of oneself even by metaphorically trying to give oneself a kick in the backside as a wakeup call. Sometimes it is indeed necessary to have this kicking done to you, even though it may be painful and unwelcome; the truth I believe will be worth it in the end (I guess this applies to all humans). For the time being all I can do is to continue to strive to learn from the people here, “FIGU”, “TheyFly”, and to visit Dyson’s and Vivienne’s website where hopefully they will continue with translations and updates for us to learn from, to logically question and to ponder. There are so many questions, fewer answers and rarer truths to explore within our short lifespan, I then ask you, does this not expedite our efforts to work together for the common good so that truthful information may be passed onto the next generation to learn from, to logically question and to progress towards something far more positive than we currently have today? Mike | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 06-2006 |
but I have one more question before you get back to the Spiritual Lessons...how did you learn German? I bought a Berlitz course and I've been told there's better systems out there. Do you have any recommendations? firstly, I am still learning to read German -- and will point out, that 'reading' is my main aim, and if conversational German ability emerges from that I will not complain. I do not know the Berlitz program, but had a brief look at its contents on the net. It sounds to be reasonable. I have mentioned all I do in this regard elsewhere on this forum -- but will offer it again, only as another persons attempts at this -- and know there are others doing it their own way, with their own results. I have two different hard copy full editions of a German/English dictionary: Oxford Duden, and Collins unabridged. Having two different ones is useful for some words that are difficult to translate. I use various machine translation programs -- up to 5 sometimes -- which all use different engines, thus give different results. This can be helpful with some difficult passages -- especially the one that does transliteration -- word for word in the original order. All these programs are available as torrent downloads. I have also a few downloaded full German language courses. They are all different, and all offer things the others don't in some way. I do not religiously use these programs though, as i am spending so much time translating, I seem to 'forget' to. I have a text that is invaluable that teaches reading German at a university level, aimed at those who want to read German texts for their studies. The name of the book is 'German Quickly - A grammar for Reading German' by April Wilson -- available at least at Amazon. It is set out as 15 or so sections, designed to be taught in one semester. ****** I have official translations that I have found on the FIGU sites, and elsewhere -- and these are wonderful as examples of as close to correct translations to aspire to. They are always handy to refer to. Having a program that helps you learn vocab lists is great -- two of the programs I have include those -- and you can make your own lists and learn them easily and quickly with a 'flashcard' type set up. I should do more of that -- to a schedule, as this increases one's reading capacity significantly. The best progress I have made though, is in translating the Spirit Lessons, and the books by Billy, slowly and deliberately. The machine translations that retain formatting are great in that they allow you to get a feel for the text you are attempting to translate, but then you have to 'translate' the translation they give you --- by the time that job is done, and you have achieved 'good English' -- you can usually read some of those passages without much assistance. I am fortunate to have studied German in highschool for 4 years, and also prior to studying Billy's material had spent 3 yrs translating other German material for my work and research -- so I was not unfamiliar with the language when i started it all -- although a little rusty. I know that if I had been diligent and done regular study of say one of the programs, or even just the grammar book, I would be reading better than I am now. I will get there though -- and am the type of person that has patience and have been called 'indefatigable' by those who know me well. I also have linked up with others studying the material, and each of these have different strengths and weaknesses that we all tap into and gain from and assist eachother thus. The German forum is a wonderful source of information that is more often than not very reliable -- there being a few core group members available to answer questions and give guidance. It is not too difficult to translate the whole forum to read the material. This forum was fortunate to have Jakobjn offer his knowledge from years and years of study of the material. If you do a search, there are many valuable explanations of the spiritual teaching material contained here. I must say though, how I am only now beginning to realise how much one can learn if one immerses oneself -- and on looking back at where I have come from, can only grin from ear to ear, as I witness the progress I have made. I still have a long way to go with reading German, but that is neither here nor there -- where I am at with it now is where i am at -- and that is that! Dyson mentioned this recently - and I fully can align with his sentiment -- that he and I also can not understand sometimes, how few people are availing themselves of the material, by not attempting to learn German or at least use the translation programs availiable. The information is incredibly important, and sometimes I get the feeling there are not too many who realise what is on offer here. But, then, I could be mistaken. If the Plejaren have to resort to technical equipment to translate for them at times, then i don't see the problem with using programs myself. As long as one realises that the results are not totally reliable and therefore are just a guide. Good luck to any who are on this journey in peace Robjna/Shirly | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 03-2007 |
Thank you, Robjna/Shirly, for such a thorough response. I actually found your previous posting about this under "Learning German" - but only after I asked the question. Go figure. But I like this one better. It shows how thoroughly dedicated you are to the source material and is inspiring. I know where my priorities will be. Kind Regards Bob | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 02-2006 |
Robjna/Shirly, can I get u to email me please at - it175@bigpond.net.au There is a question I would like to ask you. Thanks | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 570 Registered: 10-2000 |
If you have nothing better to do, you can see how a conversation has developed re the Meier case at: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread277472/pg1 Now into some 30 pages, it also presents a clear example of the lengths and means that the vested negative interests will go to to try to discredit the case, not always with the results that they intended. Michael Horn | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 07-2006 |
Oh, what I would give to see the expressions on the faces of the "Know it alls", to see their confidence being shattered by something undeniable , to witness that instant they realise how wrong they were about Billy Meier all along. peace | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 08-2006 |
Thanks for the inspiration Robjna/Shirly. I must search for those torrent downloads and I agree with the use of the official translations. With my translator I add new words as I go, so putting official paragraphs into it and making comparisons is really useful. Forcing oneself to do translations is rewarding and hopefully the code gives the appropriate stimulation.About time that I invested in a hard copy of the Duden/Oxford dictionary, although I would prefer to have it as software. Best Wishes, Charles. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 223 Registered: 10-2005 |
Here is an interesting object: \newurlhttp://sidc.oma.be/LatestSWData/LatestSWData.php Click the above link... Check out the object on the upper left (red) LASCO movie. More importantly check out the small little dot that moves from the lower left quadrant to the lower right quadrant below the disk of the sun. Rarena, I moved this post from the Mission/Misc area, please make an effort to post in an area that is somewhat connected to what your post is about. Please don't ask the moderators to post your post wherever we like. In addition, active links are only supposed to be used when they pertain to FIGU related websites. This is so the forum doesn't become littered with outdated links that do not work any longer. Granted, some slip through from time to time, but I appreciate your effort in this regard. I have deactivated your link. Thank You-FIGU Moderator | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 225 Registered: 10-2005 |
Okay Scott, will do, did not know that. | ||
Star New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hi everyone I am new to this ufo stuff, so I want learn a lot. I dont know where to post my question so I leave it here, sorry.I am from brazil my name is jorge its nice to be here thanks. I did find you thru some books on ufo such Lyssa Royal, Lissete Larkins, Dr. Steven M. Greer and others. As I was searching about Dr. greer I found a lot of people telling he is a fraud, so my question is about it, if somebody could help me I do really apreciate. Lyssa Royal talk about Albert Meier and says his message is spreading....as I am new , want know if you are like the David Icke who preaches fear and see it everywhere, because I never see somebody saying such things of a person, maybe its true who knows. I did send an email to them asking about Albert Meier books, they says its good, but you say this man is a fraud.As I told you I just beggin so I would like to know more. If some one could help me thanks. thanks, star | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 260 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Star welcome to Figu Fraud means something that includes deceit, lies and false teachings.Steven Greer limits himself to UFO research, but i do not consider him to be a complete liar or a deceiver.He's a man who dedicates himself to unprovable conspiracy theories instead of spreading a spiritual message.That is why people like the plejaren would never have an interest in him. David Icke has too much imagination.In ickes writings it is very difficult to catch a bit of truth among so much fantasy.The reptilian story is untrue. Te recomiendo Billy Meier en Portugues aqui http://www.truth777.bravehost.com/ | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 571 Registered: 10-2000 |
I would like to make a general suggestion regarding all posts that discuss the spiritual teachings and other specific information from Meier and the Plejaren. There is a tendency among many people, myself included, to sometimes speak about aspects of the information and/or the teachings as if we really knew what we were speaking about, i.e. in a "teaching" manner on our part. That has been an issue here and I think that there's a way to reduce, even perhaps eliminate, that which can turn out to be misleading and potentially damaging to the turth and the mission. Please consider the following. When speaking about the spiritual teachings and information from Meier and the Plejaren, we should qualify our statements, in the beginning with words such as: "It is my understanding...", "In my opinion...", "As I understand it now...", etc. There are obviously other words and phrases that can also "protect" against what anyone writes here as being taken for the actual teachings and information unless they are quoting and referencing specific information. I try to remember to do this in my own lectures and media interviews, etc. What do you think? Michael Horn | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Michael, I think you're right on target. Your concept is especially helpful for new people coming to the information and not familiar with this website and the personalities involved. But after some time, I developed the understanding that everyone here can only speak for themselves; although experience and knowledge varies, no one is an "authority", except Billy. I heard you on the George Noory program a couple months ago and noticed you qualified everything in terms of your understanding of the teachings, prophecies, etc. I think it helped your credibility because you were able to distance yourself and report more objectively about the case instead of sounding like a "true believer". It also gives the doubters a little safe-space because you're not using the heavy-hammer of absolute truth. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 496 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Michael ; I like the way you framed this idea . If anyone should know about this , it's you . Also , I recommend using " provable by logic" , which will be provable by only those who can see logic , on a person by person basis . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 262 Registered: 04-2006 |
I think the degree of "teaching legitimacy" depends on the amount of information the poster has read about Billy Meier, and to what extent he has researched and confronted the Meier material with his own gained knowledge. For example, if someone has read everywhere in Figu's Books (in german) something like "the spirit enters the embryo the 21st day", and he has thought thoroughly about the topic, i think he is legitimate to tell others without being excessively humble.Nobody can prove that process to be factual, but there is a possibility that the spirit REALLY enters the embryo the 21st day. "Es ist so".Or "It is so", a sentence commonly used in the spirit teachings.Also we have read "the truth is eternal and is never subject to revision".The question is, to what extent is the the "knowledgeable person" aware of the truth? Of course a minimum German reading is necessary to inform others about Geisteslehre, and forum members should also provide quotes in order to support their arguing.But providing quotes may be a exhausting job, considering the amount of information available.Indexation needed. Anyway i understand and support this advice of transforming hypothetical objectivity into subjectivity (i think, i consider, it is my understanding...) | ||
Star New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hi Hector Nice you could answer me, it really did help. This Brazilian site is very good I will take one week to get everything, I am in complete awe, I do agree about religion etc. Could you please help me with one book to read, as I told you I am new to, I did see these books, and e-books, I would like something spiritual not technical stuff.... Books #message from de pleiades vol 1-2 #the preliminary investigation report vol 1-2 #Star Wisdom: Principles of Pleiadian Spirituality - Gene Andrade; #And Still They Fly! - Guido Moosbrugger If you could help me again, about which one to read first and second of all these books, not technical only spiritual message... Thanks Hector Jorge | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 572 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hector, Even if something in the teachings say, "This happens on the 21st day", since we don't yet KNOW that ourselves as a fact, I think it's best to state something like, "The teachings say that..." or "I understand that according to Meier (or the Plejaren)...", etc. Star, I would recommend Guido's book first. Michael Horn | ||
Jplagasse Member Post Number: 344 Registered: 09-2000 |
In my opinion, what Michael mentions is a really major concept. A reality also... but ONLY IF one has grown into recognizing this. From my perspective, even Andrew Cossette spoke of, and operated within this concept. Really cool dude, however i figure he tended to be mis-understood "in his time". I often wonder what he's up to these days... & wish him the best whatever he's up to. I am NOT a FIGU representative, nor do i pretend to be. Those who must operate within the "representative" aspect of the Meier contact, have a very difficult task of things... but this yet is another of many stories. Again, as always, from just my 2 cents on things, Salome, JP | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 161 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Everyone, I hope you guys were not disappointed with the announcement, as you might have thought one of the core group might become a moderator. Well I would just like to say that I offered my help to moderate to help out Scott, since he was under a lot of pressure at times. And I will probably become more active on the forum since I decided a while ago that I would be passive on the forum. There are many here that know much more then I do, so please remember being a moderator doesn’t mean any thing. I would just like to ask for one small favour, that before posting something double check the topic area and decide for yourself whether you might have gone off topic and might be better suited in another section. And you could always mention that you moved to another section with just a couple of words.. Salome, Badr | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 570 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Badr All the best wishes mate on your new role as the one other moderator and respect your decision to take on this difficult task to help out in your own way. I gather that junior is no more :-) cheers Matt | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 571 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Michael I agree Michael its a good suggestion, one that I'll take up here on because it serves an important purpose. cheers Matt | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 162 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hey Matt, Thanks for your wishes and kind words mate, yeah junior was just a nickname and I do prefer my real name, I know it might be hard to pronounce especially for the English speaking world. But I guess its not much of a problem since you only need to write it.. ;-) Salome, Badr | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 263 Registered: 04-2006 |
I also appreciate that another moderator is now sharing the hard work with Scott.Very good news.Thank you Badr for taking the job. Star, yes, And Still they fly may be the best option for beginners. Best regards | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 497 Registered: 06-2000 |
Greetings Badr ; Thank you for stepping up to the task . There's a new 'sharif' in town . Salome , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 784 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Junior..... Yes, I see FIGU has made an Excellent choice... Well, excellent to know now, that there is someone who can help us all out with the German language, when we are stranded.... And that there still is a possibility to make a boat and sail the ocean once again, and find our way back home! Veel succes, I shall say..... Edward. | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Badr, why is the german forum structure and list of discussion topics setup the way it is? I think the english forum is much better, especially the list of topics available up for discussion. The german forum seems to be missing a LOT of good topics of discussion. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1198 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Matt, I think it may be partially because people that post on the German Forum can read German, therefore they can look something up, rather than asking others. My 2 cents Scott | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 169 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Matt, Well how I see it, the main topics for discussion at the first page is corresponding to the sections within the main website of FIGU (Geisteslehre, Ufologie, Überbevölkerung) and added a couple more which is the General section, and the Books section. But as for the discussion topics, I agree with you that it’s not that well organized, but that is the result of members being able to create new topics rather than only using existing topics like in the English forums case. But then again your best chance to finding interesting discussions is using the search engine rather than looking through the topics. Hope this answers you questions. Salome, Badr | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1199 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, At one time, the ability to create new topics was available on the English Forum, but it was getting out of hand. There are over 100 topic headings. I have tried to consolidate some of them, but there are limitations within the software which doesn't allow for the merging of one topic with another. I am a little unsure of how to do certain things within the software, so I have held off. I have been thinking about eliminating certain posts within the archives from certain people which were in my opinion generated to create disinformation and confusion. As usual this will take some time, but I have been reviewing one or two people who have posted within the last year or so that are candidates for removal. Scott | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 573 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Forum US Military Intel Confirmed Protocols Of Zion In 1919 The Power And Aims Of International Jewry (Zionism) http://www.rense.com/general76/prot.htm http://www.papurec.org/fundamental/PowerAims2.html Although Billy did mention that 'The protocols of the learned elders of zion" was a forgery concocted by Theodore Herzl the founder of the modern Zionist movement and presented by him in 1897 to the inner circle of the first Zionist Congress at Basle, Switzerland. This document nonetheless is striking in its reflection of the way the conditions of the political structure as well as of the socioeconomic conditions has formed up to our current times. My own personal inferences derived from this document after consideration of Billy's views along with other authors precludes a complete dismissal in light of my own personal experiences of the everyday conditions which almost starkly reflect it to the dot. It is my understanding that although it was forged, the principles within this doctrine have been taken up and utilized by the powers that be to great effect. It is afterall the ideas which are emphasised, that as part piece of our own very degenerate nature, is given life through its application in the material reality. So it is no less a reflection of our own inner nature as it is the external conditions on which it has been allowed to flourish unhindered. Therefore if these doctrines falls in the far side of the dichotomy between what is evil and good, in order for one to degenerate, this is no less the right set of ideas onto which a person can experience the dark side of their nature and a comprehensive blueprint to actualise those ideas, sentiments, feelings and thoughts into reality. It is then possible for the Gizeh Intelligences to have implanted such ideas on various people to set the preconditions for the Nazi regime to wreak havoc based on such ideas unleashed for its maturity which in a sense had helped such person as Hitler to solidify his ideals based on them. Of course these are just my wild speculations. cheers Matt | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1200 Registered: 12-1999 |
Newinitiation, This in regards to your comments under the translation section of the forum. Please understand this is not "my" forum, and hopefully I have never created that impression. I just happened to be the one at this time who was willing to take the job. I don't understand why you would want to close the forum? What has changed? I suggested that months ago, because there was so much discontent, but really I don't think anyone wants to see that happen. Everyone chooses to participate from there own free choice. NO one has stated within the forum guidelines that everything stated here is the absolute truth. Sure in a perfect world it would be nice to know that everything stated is the truth as we understand it, but you have people from different backgrounds and at different levels of understanding. I think, the forum can be viewed as a tool or aid to facilitate and promote interest in Billy and the Plejaren teachings, but the real source of our knowledge is what Billy and the Plejarens have brought forth to this planet. This not to say that people here don't possess any real knowledge about Billy etc...But everything we know regarding this case does come from Billy and his writings pure and simple. I think many of us are much farther ahead in our knowledge, than we would be if there were no teachings available. I think we need to appreciate what has become available to us, and work with what we have. It's easy to complain about many things which are problems, but you have to admit (imo) that we are quite privileged. I don't really want to discuss the ramifications of Dyson's decision to post private coorespondance, good or bad. In my view Dyson has his own ideas and views about how he would like to see things on the English Forum. I have suggested to him in the past, he is free to create his own discussion group. Matt, you also have that choice, if you are not happy with this forum or how it is being maintained, you can create your own discussion group and run it the way you want to with no interference from anyone else. The English Forum is a link from the main FIGU Website, but in my opinion it was never meant to be an actual representation of all the teachings which have been brought forth by FIGU. The source of what is being discussed and talked about comes from the FIGU Website and writings etc., not from the Forum. Badr, has come forth to help and it is really appreciated. There have been a few other people who have volunteered in the past, but in the end, no one really took the next step and actually got involved.... Salome Scott | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1202 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello,. It appears that FIGU Society USA, has taken over the English portion of the FIGU Website. Scott | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 255 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Scott, I would have gladley helped a long time ago in being a moderator here, like I did in the Eduardmeier forum, but a few years back my request was denied, because I was told only FIGU passive memebers can volunteer for this position. Peace in being, James Truthseeker | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 162 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hello The FIGU german site is updated. Must read SB 35!! and a remarkable video of Billy typing. Lot of people posting on this board (and ex-people) will be very disappointed. To my opinion, this wake up call is well overdue and maybe some people should start focus on real spiritual and creational matters and instead of talking of "the sex of the angels" or stupid anti-semitic conspirations theories of all sorts. Other forums exist for that. Not this one. Salome | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1203 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi James, I didn't know you had requested to be a moderator...but thanks for inquiring. Regards Scott | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1204 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Eric, Yes, I have glanced at SB 35, there does seem to be some discussion concerning Chemtrails...I know that video of Billy is quite something..amazing Salome Scott | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Scott, I clicked on the link that Badr gave, http://www.figu.org/ch/ but I only get an "Internal Server Error" message. I have also looked for SB 35, but can only find up to SB 34. What am I doing wrong? I would love to see the video and the bulletin. Ardie Hi Ardie, Go to the FIGU Website (www.figu.org) and click on the German version in the center column top selection, this will take you to the new website. Also, you might want to check out the new English version Regards Scott | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 500 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi everyone ; It looks like both websites will be a big improvement , and thanks to all who designed and maintain them . They are all busy people who give of their time freely to the FIGU . My thought today is that in the future , as Eric Drouin has stated very clearly and respectfully , more emphasis on the spiritual teachings and less on the superfluos topics . As I understand it , the teachings are more about human thoughts , feelings and behaviour , true knowledge about everything pertaining to being human including consciousness , awareness , creative life , guidance for living , among other needed topics . These concepts and ideas are whole , true in every way ,yet ignored or unheard of . If life on earth will continue , or be shut down prematurely due to ignorance of necessary education here , depends on how the people on this planet learn how to think , how not to live in constant doubt and suspicion , to not be separated from fellow humans by type , and the ability to control emotions , habits and fears , etc. This has come to my attention in my own life experiences recently , as well as my recognition of how my studies so far have strengthened me for challenges that have presented themselves to me . It's more than just interesting to me , because I see how so many people get sick from the way they think , cause turmoil and conflict by misinterpreting everything ,panicking at every occurance , constantly in a cycle of mistakes , regret , shame and forgiveness , which weakens their connection to themselves , all others , as well as nature . These are the topics that I will give attention to . The cause before the effect is the root of all resulting miracles or tragedies . Sincere Thanks , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 577 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Scott Scott without me needlessly putting words in your mouth, I take it that you don't share Dyson's sentiments on which all that he has said thus far in his post was based upon. Then is this a subtle form of tacit disregard of Dyson's views on your part, seeing as your posts to him was also included in his disclosure which you may have incurred some form of 'loss of face' in light of what you have written about Randy. As you know my attempt here is to try and see the silver lining in all this so that what is proposed by myself and my continued rhetoric regarding Dyson's post is to keep the discussions relevent in a direction where we can find something valuable to pursue to improve upon this forum, it if may be possible. Now seeing as your reaction to my post that in your words 'if you don't like it, you can create your own discussion group where there is no interference' suggests to me an undertone of some veiled frustration on the basis of my insistence in pursuing this discussion to find ways to improve it, which you may deem it to be encroaching upon your playing field thereby taking it somewhat personally as to feel that I am for some reason hanging your dirty laundry out to dry for all to see thereby making you look incompetent to which I think you have surmised, this is just the inference that I have read to your reaction and I could be wrong. Now this cannot be further from the truth and I gather that since my avoidance of using diplomacy and wording my language to save whomever's face on the grounds of the possibility that I may just in fact offend them is done so because this is the only way I know that honesty can be maintained. Therefore I have pursued this discussion for the sake of highlighting where we can improve on some things in light of the recent posts of Dyson's. There is nothing wrong in suggesting ways to improve this forum is there? Unless I am not on the same page as you Scott, my intentions aren't to make your life more difficult than it already is but in light of what we have come to know now, how could we turn back and tread the same way we came thereby dismissing most of what happened recently as if nothing contained in those experiences are worth learning from. I agree with you about the fact that this forum, serves many purposes and it isn't end all be all but that doesn't mean it can't be improved upon. cheers Matt | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1205 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Matt, What do you suggest? Please give myself and others something concrete to work with, that is doable. Scott | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 269 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi everyone. I have a suggestion for ALL of us, me included. Instead of all of us, or some of us, telling the moderators that the forum is faulty, why do we TAKE RESPONSIBILTY FOR OURSELVES and then there will be no problems. None of us can fix another person. All we can do is be a good example and let the goodness spread outward from ourselves. The point is that this forum is a place for free discussion of FIGU and spiritually related topics, etc. It is not a hate mail posting forum, nor a complaint department. I am as guilty as others when it comes to being far from perfect, so I point the finger at myself as well. I just finally realized that the people that are trying to interfere with this forum won't likely stop, so the rest of us should just ignore them and the moderators will continue to do what they feel is best for this forum. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 578 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Scott Scott I've already mentioned that following up on Dyson's proposal is a good start. Although security issues is one concern that needs to be addressed. For example- If everyone here needs to submit their photo of themselves, their address, phone number, e-mail, date of birth, personal biography, information about what they've read thus far etc etc, then in light of inferences made based on our own discernment, it appears as Dyson had mentioned, there are few infiltrators here that tries to derail the truth in veiled form behind the cover of their mask who can ostensibly provide false ID to join but at the same time have access to personal information of other members they could extract for whatever sinister purposes. Now if this conversation came up a year ago, I would've sternly albeit very stubbornly dismissed Dyson's reactions as being over reactive to the point of being paranoid schizophrenic and would have lost all respect for him on the basis that he has unnecessarily caused much turmoil, suspicion and anxious mood on this forum with his silly conspiracy theories with likewise an intelligent but a very confused mind with too many loose wires due to the duress of the negative psychological impact from dealing with too much conspiratorial information. But now that I understand and kept up to date somewhat of the spiritual teachings behind the basis of his responses and how that logically applies in the current ensuing events of this forum and how that pertains to the truth and why we members need to work for the truth rather than help derail it due to our ignorance, then I understand better the underlying sentiments behind the urgencies felt by Dyson regarding this matter. A few flaws that is apparent in Dyson's proposal is that anyone can put up a false ID to join but can avoid detection by not regularly participating in the discussions but rather ask a few questions here and there. Such is the case also at present where you have members that joined for a while who haven't actively participated at all. Now if we eliminate the visitor option and make it only accessible to members whereby every member knows the activities of every other members, this may keep people somewhat honest and if a member does not participate for a specific duration of time and his membership gets terminated and must reapply, then this maybe an option worth considering. The biggest drawback to this method is that it denies those curious to know, which would far out number the current number of members anyway, access to the materials in this forum which may spur them on to be more active and become potential takers of Billy's teachings. So every method and proposal has its flaws. Other than that the only other alternative left for you and Badr is to police any posts without a disclaimer and see its absence as a sign of breaching the forum code of conduct which portends to be a reflection of Billy's teachings which seems to be the biggest problem at the moment. cheers Matt | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1206 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thank you Thomas and Matt for your ideas and thoughts. Badr and myself will do our best for all of you, so that things stay on track for everyone. Regards Scott | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 02-2000 |
Thanks Scott, I did try that yesterday along with the Schweiz in the left column, = but I kept getting an old page I guess. Today I am able to see the new = page with the SB35. I also see the video clip of Billy, but when I = click on it, it says that it is unavailable. I wonder if I am having = internet problems. I think I must have been getting cached pages = yesterday. I'll keep trying to view the video and I'm also going to try = to translate the section on Chemtrails, something I am very interested = in. =20 Salome, =20 Ardie | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1207 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Ardie, For some reason when I tried to view the video using Internet Explorer, it wouldn't work. When I used a different browser "Opera", the video played fine. Yes, it will be interesting to see what Billy and Plejarens say about "chemtrails" Salome Scott | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Scott, Sorry about all the == signs and 20s in the above message. I answered from the e-mail and that is what happened.? I still can't view the video and started to download Opera, but it said that it was going to take 4 hours to do so I cancelled it. I ran the first page of Bulletin 35 through babelfish. The first paragraph from Billy seems to indicate that it is nothing more than condensation trails and people are making lots of money selling books trying to convince us otherwise. The following paragraphs appear to be just questions from other people about what the chemtrails are. I remember reading something from Billy a few years ago where he gave a short answer to a question about chemtrails. All he said was that they were condensation trails. I thought that there might be an update and new information about them. I find it very hard to believe that they are normal condensation trails. You can see short condensation trails disappear within seconds, but others spread out in the sky and stay all day long. It doesn't make sense to me. If anyone got a better translation than me from the bulletin, please let us know. Salome, Ardie | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 247 Registered: 04-2003 |
In light of SB35, perhaps all the conspiracy believers, i.e., Protocols of Zion, scalar weapons, de-materializing of WTC, chemtrails, etc, should serve a self-imposed ban from the FIGU Discussion Forum until they can come to grips with the fact they are GULLIBLE and have been scammed into believing, endorsing and spouting LIES. And perhaps the moderators want to go through the arduous task of removing the posts of all such idiocy that have polluted this forum over the years. And maybe an apology is in order to those who, through their meager attempts to reign in some truth on these topics, were thus subjected to the slings and arrows of insults from such conspiracy believers. The lack of regard for real truth and the embrace of conspiracy belief on this forum is shameful. Thank you Billy for your ray of light penetrating through the cloud of lies. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1208 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Ardie, I haven't read the bulletin yet, so I can't really comment on anything. I don't know about any books regarding Chemtrails, but I too seem to be at odds with what I have seen, and what you mentioned Billy said...it is puzzling to me? Salome Scott | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 268 Registered: 04-2006 |
I agree with Jo-Jo, Billy's opinion about the protocols of zion and chemtrail is much the same, fictional stories-hypothesies written by convenience in order to spread false theories and confuse the public. Sad thing is that many individuals are eager to accept these fantasies as true based solely on the massive propaganda and the obiquitous "conspiracy theory" trademark.The reason of these theories to exist is to instill fear in the people. "Divide and conquer". | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 251 Registered: 12-2004 |
Greetings, I never actually thought he would have to explain such wild theories of Chem-trails. I admit I was neutral on the issue but, even as a teenager hearing about this disturbing "so called" phenomenon I questioned the validity of such claims and I attributed the jet exausts "streaks" being simply condensation especially at high altitudes with colder temps making a higher contrast between them, which are easily assosiated with cirrus clouds. Attempts at population control, I think not. That's what the birth rate halt is all about. While Global warming and exaust fumes may be connected I think Haarp is something much more disconcerting, as rightfully and logically explained by the FIGU team in their very beneficial updates. Salome, Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 02-2006 |
http://www.truth777.bravehost.com/meier-retratosplejaren.htm Danke schön zu DYSON DEVINE und VIVIENNE LEGG von http://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.plejarenportraits.htm Ich danke auch Sie DEJAN für Ihre wunderbare Arbeit! Jetzt sogar mehr Leute fähig es hier zu sehen werden auch! DANKE SCHOEN Der Beobacter. It is great to know that every day we have more and more new people around the World informed and therefore closer to Meier “case” and Billy’s true teachings. Salome, Dejan | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 252 Registered: 04-2003 |
Open Post to Billy and Christian, Why is it that so many people that seem to closely follow your mission express anti-semetic statements on the FIGU discussion forum, and why do the moderators permit it? I thought for any sentient beings, with the publishing of SB34, 35 and your recent answers to questions, you thoroughly debunked the Protocols of Zion nonsense and the blaming of Jews for all the world’s ills. However, new anti-semetic statements can be found in this thread: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/7549.html#POST27567 The major theme is the Jews control America. Since the English discussion forum moderators cannot seem to distinguish the truth from conspiracy-theory nonsense, perhaps they should be relieved of their duties. This post has nothing to do with the structure of the forum. I will move it, because there are numerous responses, which I will also have to move. As has been stated many times, for those who still don't get it, Billy does not read the English Forum! Jo Jo I know you saw the warning in the post before this one in the other section which specifically stated no more posts will be accepted unless they pertain to the topic heading. Next time you will not be allowed the PRIVILEGE to post. FIGU Moderator | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 274 Registered: 04-2006 |
In my defense, to say that my purpose ( and i think matts purpose too) was to portrait two leaders (Bush and Sharon) as state terrorists, something that leaves no space to doubt. http://www.theyfly.com/PDF/TotheStatesmeninPower.pdf Bush-Sharon, or Sharon-Bush treaties (as well as Bush-Olmert) have always threatened the world security, militarily, economically and controlling the U.N as well as the media. Although some may want to link "The jews control the America" to antisemitism, that is not what i & Matt want to express. SB 34 and 35 speak about groups of secret societies.In them its said that secret societies involving zionism, the protocols and obscure jewish organizations are harmless.No objection to that. But where the hell do people draw conclusions and state that the Israeli Government is/has been harmless? Where were these guys last summer when 1100 lebanese citizens were killed mercyless, and hundreds of illegal cluster bombs were dropped, which will kill dozens of children in the future? In Billys own words "It is really unbelievable, to what extent the Israeli criminals are allowed to perform evil actions, specially all those serving in the military and the government.The same applies to Hezbollah".(SB 26 page 7) Its not my problem that some people here do not master german. Why do you accuse other people, jo-jo, without the slightest reason and logic backing you? Why do you claim the moderators are not apt for their task? To insult me and matt calling us antisemitic is pretty low.You may say hey Hector you're 100% wrong.But you prefer to label me jew-hater for free, and that's mean, and ridiculous. Don't forget your peace meditation tomorrow, best regards. | ||
Brian New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 05-2007 |
Jo jo I think you should be relieved of your posting ability ,you add nothing positive to this discussion board. 106. Their distant descendents now, today's Israelis, respectively their responsible ones and their myrmidons can - like the U.S.A. - commit the worst crimes pitilessly and unhindered and with their secret services and military, right before the eyes of the world at large, and even with their approval. 107. Nicht nur, dass der Geheimdienst und das Militär verbrecherischen Elemente und vertrauensvolle Freund in vielen Ländern der Erde haben, die sie bei Bedarf und zur Erreichung ihrer Ziele einfach wieder wie eh und je brutal und blutrünstig abschlachten, nein, sie haben es- wiederum wie die USA - durch ihre Intrigen auch verstanden, sich in den Regierungen, den Wirtschaftskonzernen und Banken usw. die betreffenden Freunde zu schaffen oder sich gar selbst in diese einzuschleichen, so ihre Macht bereits derartig gewachsen ist, dass dies vom Erdenmenschen nicht mehr erfasst und nicht mehr überblickt werden kann. 107. Not only that the secret service and military have criminal elements and trustworthy friends in many nations of Earth, who they, as ever, simply brutally and bloodthirstily butcher as needed and to reach their goals, no, they also have - again like the USA - through their intrigues, also understood how to make the appropriate friends in the governments, the economic concerns and banks, and so forth, or even creep into these themselves, so that their power has already grown to the degree that this cannot be grasped and perceived by Earth humans any more. | ||
Language_of_the_birds Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 06-2006 |
Dear Andy et al Nice to learn you have liked my webpage. Yes now even more people will learn about HOW DO THEY LOOK LIKE because billions of human beings believe extraterrestrials look like monsters like the fools paint them on the magazines and all those books full of lies out there. Salome Always! Some passages from ARAHAT ATHERSATA: Non Official translation by Language of the Birds... ZU BEACHTEN: Dieser Text in der englischen Sprache ist eine inoffizieller Übersetzung von dem ursprünglichen deutschen Texte geschrieben von den Wahren und Wirklichen Neuzeit-Prophet Eduard Albert ‹‹Billy›› Meier von seinem Buch ‹Arahat Athersata›. durch die ‹‹Vögelsprache››.}} PLEASE NOTE: This a Non Official Translation into English language made by "Language Of The Birds" from original German texts written by the True Prophet of New Age "Billy" Meier from his book ARAHAT ATHERSATA. Please note it may contain errors. "Language Of The Birds" Im Namen der Schöpfung, der Weisen, der Gerechten. In the name of Creation, the wise, the righteous. Seite/Page 5 33. Lasse deine Stimme erschallen von den Bergen und vernichte die Irrlehren falscher Propheten, denn sie treiben das Bewusstsein in die Verdammnis und hindern es an aller Erkenntnis. 33. Let your voice echoe from the mountains and let it destroy the heresies of the false prophets, because they take the consciences to condemnation and they impede them of all cognition. 34. Sie behaupten, von uns oder anderen Ebenen inspiriert zu sein, was sich von der Wahrheit aber sehr entfremdet. 34. They claim to be inspired by us or by other Plans, which, however, is totally far distant from the Truth. 35. Ihre grossen Schriften sind nur das Produkt ihrer überbordenden Phantasien, die aller Logik und Wahrheit fremd sind. 35. Their great writings are just products of their exuberant fantasies that which are distant from the whole Logic and from the Truth. 36. Viele haben sich in Wahn und Unwahrheit gesteigert, dass sie inspirativ geistige Formen erfasst hätten und erfassen würden. 36. Many have risen themselves in madness and in the untruth that they had inspirative contact and understanding with the spirit forms. 37. In Unkenntnis des Geistes und seiner Formen legen sie ihre eigenen Gedanken, Wünsche und Ideen in geschriebene Worte und betrügen sich selbst wie auch ihre Mitmenschen. 37.In their ignorance of the Spirits and in their forms they only put their own thoughts, desires, and ideas in written words and they deceive themselves while they also deceive their fellowmen. 38. Wie könnten sie denn von uns oder von anderen hohen Ebenen inspiriert sein, wenn wir uns seit zwei jahrtausenden jeder Kommunikation enthielten? 38. How can they be inspired by us or by other Plans, if it is already for two millennia we refrain ourselve of any communication? 39. Trotzdem aber erdreisten sich viele irdische Wesenheiten zu behaupten, dass sie mit uns oder anderen hohen Ebenen in Verbindung stünden, dem in Wahrheit aber nicht so ist, denn wie könnten wir ihnen Wissen und Weisheit preisgeben, wenn sie die geistigen Formen nicht in ihren Grundelementen zu erfassen vermögen? 39. However, many human beings of Earth dare to allege that they are in contact with us or with other Higher Plans, but this is not True, because how could we grant them Knowledge and Wisdom if they are unable to understand the Spiritual Forms in their most basic elements? Seite/Page 9 22. So trägt er nur noch eine farbenprächtige Maske zur Schau, die jedoch fade, eintönig und gleichgültig-stoisch und massengleich wirkt. 22. Therefore, he only uses a colorful mask to exhibit which, however, is insipid, monotonous and it is estoically indifferent and it seems the same and it is used by everyone in great masses. 23. Viele Menschen sind zu Bestien geworden oder zu <geistlosen> Robotern kultischer Irrlehren. 23. Many human beings have turned into Beasts or in “insipid” Robots of the false doctrines and false teachings of the religious cults. 24. <geistlos> in weisheitmässiger Form verbringen sie ihre irdischen Tage, Monate und Jahre, unwissend in den minimsten Formen geistiger Wahrheit, nur im Sinnen und Trachten nach Macht, Gier, Materialismus und Hass wider ihre Mitmenschen und sich selbst, bösartig und unehrlich. 24. In their intelligence form they are “Insipid”, perverse, and without honor, they spent their days, months, and the years of their lives on Earth ignorant in the minimal forms of the spiritual truth, vicious and dishonest just thinking about their ambitions for power, in greed, in materialism, and in the hate against their fellowmen and against themselves. 25. Alle Dinge der Welt ordnete und gliederte er durch seinen Verstand und durch seine Vernunft, wodurch er sich alles untertan machte; und nur dieser Untertänigkeit galt all sein Streben und Sinnen. 25. They order and organize all the things of the world with their understanding and judgement, thereby they put everything under their submission and just this subjection is worth them all their efforts, thoughts and senses. 26. Der Schein galt ihm mehr als die Wahrheit des SEINs. 26. The money and the appearance are more valuable to them than the truth of the BEING. 27. Die ewige Wahrheit des Geistes und der Schöpfung ging ihm in den Grundelementen verloren und er klammerte sich schon früh an die irrealen Lehren von Religionen. 27. They lack the most basic foundations of the Eternal Truth of the Spirit and of Creation and very early they attach themselves to the false, erroneous, and unreal teachings of the religions. 28. Ihre versklavenden Irrlehren standen ihm in seiner Selbsttäuschung näher und höher als alle Gesetze und Gebote der Schöpfung in all ihrer Wahrheit und Weisheit. 28. Their false and enslaving teachings and their self delusion put them close or make them still much more higher than all the Laws and Commandments of Creation in all its Truth and Wisdom. 29. Aus seiner äusserst armseligen religiös-verirrten Lebenauffassung heraus glaubte er, durch die Verstossung der wahren schöpferischen Gesetze und Gebote und durch das Erstellen menschlich-gesetzlicher Bestimmungen die Menschheit im Einklang mit irrealen Religionen zu bessern oder in eine bessere Zukunft mit besseren Lebenmäglichkeiten zu führen. 29. From their absolutely miserable and aberrant philosophy of religious life and for their contempt for the True Laws and Commandments of Creation and through the laws and determinations created by men the humanity is in unisonous with the unreal religions and they believe that they it will be better or that they will proceed for a better future with possibilities of a better life. 30. Weil er des Wissens um das Wesen der Schöpfung im Menschen verlustig gegangen ist, wollte er mit materiellen Mitteln und religiösen Irrlehren den Menschen zum Leben zwingen. 30. For lacking them knowledge on the Nature of the Existence of Creation in humankind they are forced to live by the material means and by the false and heretical religious teachings. 31. Aus diesen Gründen betörte er mit falschen Versprechungen und ebenso falschen Idealen und Idolen im Zusammenhang mit religiösen Irrlehren die Massen der Menschheit, und schon bald führte dieser Weg in Versklavung, bewusstseinmässige Unfreiheit, Ausbeutung, Hass und Gier und Laster in schlimmsten Ausmassen. 31. By these means they entice the mass of humankind through false promises and, therefore false ideals and idols, in combination with the false teachings of the religions and very soon they use these means so that they can evily enslave the freedom of conscience for exploitation, for greed, hate, and for profit.)   Time of the masks to fall... ********** Kanon 54:11:64-74) Non Official translation into English language by Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg Non Official translation into Portuguese by a friend of truth. 64. Im Namen der Schöpfung, der Weisen, der Gerechten. 64. In the name of Creation, the wise, the just. 64. Em nome da Criação, a Sábia, a Justa. 65. Ihr Menschen strebt um die Wette nach weltlicher Mehrung. 65. You humans strive in competition for worldly augmentation. 65. Vós seres humanos vos empenhais na competição para aumentar-vos o mundo. 66. Und ihr lenkt euch dadurch von der Wahrheit ab. 66. And you thereby steer yourselves away from the truth. 66. E por isso vós desviais-vos para distante da Verdade. 67. Und ihr handelt so, bis ihr in die Gräber sinkt. 67. And you behave that way until you sink into the grave. 67. E vos comportais dessa maneira até que vos afundeis dentro do túmulo 68. Doch wahrlich, ihr werdet die Wahrheit bald erfahren. 68. Yet truly, you will soon experience the truth. 68. E, no entanto, em verdade, em breve vós experimentareis a verdade. 69. Und ein andermal, wahrlich, ihr werdet es bald erfahren. 69. And once again, truly, you will soon experience it. 69. E uma vez mais, em verdade, em breve vós a experimentareis. 70. Wahrlich, wüsstet ihr's nur mit gewissem Wissen. 70. Truly, you will know it only with certain knowledge. 70. Em verdade, ireis conhecê-Ia somente por meio de certa cognição 71. Dann müsstet ihr die Hölle mit offenen Augen sehen. 71. Because you must see hell with open eyes. 71. Pois vós devereis enxergar o inferno como os vossos olhos abertos. 72. Doch so ihr noch blind seid, seht ihr die Hölle nicht. 72. Indeed, as you are still blind, you do not see hell. 72. E, com efeito, como ainda sois cegos, não enxergais o inferno. 73. Aber ihr werdet sie sicherlich sehen mit dem Auge der Gewissheit. 73. But you will surely see it with the eye of certainty. 73. Porém, vós com certeza enxergareis o inferno com os vossos olhos. 74. Doch dann, an jenem Tage, werdet ihr fluchen in Angst und Not um die Reichtümer der Welt. 74. Indeed then, on those days, in angst and need, you will curse about the riches of the world. 74. E, portanto, naqueles dias, com medo e penúria vós amaldiçoareis as riquezas do mundo. **************************************  Im Traummärchenland aber wartet noch immer der König, dass einst der Tag kommen wird, wo die Sterne auf die Erde fallen und die Sonne sich verfinstert, wodurch die Menschen wieder gut werden sollen und sich von den Priestern abwenden, wieder der Wahrheit und der Weisheit zu, wodurch sie dann wieder träumen und dadurch die allerschönsten Dinge sehen können und auch friedlich und liebvoll werden. (Billy Meier - Prophet) Die Märchenprinzessin In the dream wonderland, however, the king is still awaiting the day, that will once come, when the stars fall upon the earth and the sun darkens, through which men shall become good again and turn away from the priests, back to truth and wisdom, and through which they will then dream again and be able to see the most marvelous things and also be peaceful and loving. (Billy Meier - Prophet) Passage from "Die Märchenprinzessin" Fairy-tale by Eduard A. Meier from his book, ‹Der Rosarote Kristall›. Diejenigen, die das Mysterium erfahren, reden darüber nicht. Diejenigen, die darüber reden, haben das Mysterium nicht erfahren Versuche nicht, über das Unaussprechliche zu reden, "Those who have experienced the Mystery don’t speak about it. Those who do speak about it have not experienced the Mystery." Lao Tse | ||
Daisy Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 10-2005 |
whos gilgamesh? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1213 Registered: 12-1999 |
Daisy, Try doing a search using the Forum search feature. Scott | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 256 Registered: 03-2003 |
In about 2 weeks or later in July, I may go down to see this guy who just may be the real Gilgamesh. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1214 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, One of the moderators sent this link to me, regarding the development of engineered meat products: http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSL3051670020070601 Also there is a new article on They Fly website regarding Overpopulation and its continuing devastating effects on the weather and the over all quality of life for all people. Regards Scott | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 277 Registered: 04-2006 |
I found a series of Randi Winters conferences available in Utube.I find them interesting although u all know what has been said about Randy and his "contamination" of the Meier material.Everyone draw his own conclusion if Winters is worth watchin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsp6lF4SCKI Regards | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 233 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Truthseeker, Would be interested in the results of that meeting, maybe on PAR? | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 02-2006 |
This was just posted in the "forum structure" section Eric_drouin wrote - "Christian, Badr, Scott: Congratulations for your decision to clean up this board It's about time people working from the secret services under false identities are banned for this board. Hope you will prevent similar situations in the future." http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/2196.html?1182125793 Scott, can you tell us the forum names of these people who got banned, just so we know for benefit in future what these people post like? Was I right thinking Spacemen was one of them, when I posted this two months back - Vestri - "Hey Spaceman are you TerraX that used to be on this board?" Spaceman - "Vestri, I am not Terrax. Why did you think so?" Vestri - "Just a whacky idea I had that you and TerraX could be the same person. Both of you are Dutch. Both of you have very (disguised/contrived) idiosyncratic writing styles. Both came onto this scene at the same time. And a while ago you appeared to be all over Dyson like a rash, asking him a LOT of personal questions, which was at the same time that TerraX and Dyson were fighting on various lists. And now your back all over Dyson again like a bad rash, asking him multiple personel questions. I thought maybe you could be playing a game of Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde with Dyson is all." Spaceman - "Both of you are Dutch What does that mean? Vestri I can tell you that I am not of Dutch descent." Jplagasse - "Do Tx and Spaceman have anything in common? They both sure seem to think & behave the same. Remarkably so, actually. Mind you, Spaceman seems a bit more literate perhaps than Tx. He would lie through his teeth, maybe he's from the CoS. Spaceman if Tx, would do the same. Could this similarity between Tx and Spaceman within "our" perceptions, have anything to do with spirituality? I'm sure it does, somehow. Very unfortunate i'm not able to do the spirit lessons. Looking forward to my next life, in this regard. I really don't think Spaceman will be able to see things any differently than he/she seems to now... perhaps i should cultivate a better sense of optimism? On the other hand, could be a waste to expect so. Maybe. Either way, you guys on this forum have far more patience than i do with guys like Spaceman etc., something for me to aspire towards. Spirit wise even, and all that." http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/7490.html#POST27030 | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 266 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Randy, Yes sure I'll keep you posted and let you know as soon as I get back from New Mexico. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 249 Registered: 10-2005 |
Questions to Billy answered: Norm Member Username: Norm Dear Billy, Why is Gilgamesh still on Earth & what is he doing? Probably he is working as a scientist where he has access to „heavy water“ which he is needing. Gilgamesh, whose original lifespan was 120.000 years (but is now reduced to about 50.000 years), will live here for the rest of his life. He cannot go back to his people even if he had a beamship to fly to his native planet. His home planet (in the spiral galaxy known as M94 – NGC 4736, 20 million light years away from us) has been destroyed by a catastrophe and all of his inhabitants have died. Gilgamensh belongs to a race of morphologists and is capable to change the shape of his body and size within several months. (Source: 226th contact of February 3, 1988) | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 250 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Daisy, Noticed your question to Billy and your mention of universal monsters probably came from this link: Questions to Billy Answered concerning universal monsters...http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv6p410-413.htm Billy most likely will answer your question next time if time permits. Concerning the shape and size of those so call universal or murderous monsters they were obstensivly not too different, as Nokodamion's people were humans like us. Salome, Randy ô¿ô |
