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Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 77
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 03:12 am: | 
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Murat
Thanks for your reply. But I have to say until someone can explain to me clearly and with sound reasoning why it is necessary for hygienic reasons to remove the pubic hair completely from the body, I am going to disagree and protest on natural grounds. You use the brushing of teeth as an example (as did Michael before you), but when we brush our teeth we clean our teeth, we don’t remove them from our mouths. It is the same when we bathe (another example that Michael made in defence of the removal of pubic hair). When we bathe we clean our bodies, pubic hair included, we don’t remove our skins. And when we cut our nails we trim them, we don’t remove them from our fingers. Why then do we not say for hygienic reasons we should trim our pubic hair? That at least is agreeable. But the removal of it seems to me to be somewhat extreme and completely anti-Nature, seeing that as much as we wish it not to be a part of our bodies, assuming we don’t tamper with genetics, it will always grow back. Is this living in harmony with, and in accord with the laws of Nature? Maybe I’m missing the point, but I just don’t agree that we should accept this as part of any teaching. Aren’t the hair on our heads and the beards on our faces equally liable to be unhygienic areas of our bodies if we don’t clean them? Why don’t we agree to remove these also?
You say to grow pubic hair is against tradition. To what tradition do you refer: the tradition of Nature or Creation? It isn’t against these traditions, but the tradition of men, that is the tradition to which you refer. You refer to a tradition that didn’t always exist, but that was created by men; a tradition that no one would frown upon if it didn’t exist. But why should anyone frown upon what is natural? Although you would argue it is the uncleanness that people frown upon, I would agree with you if only they didn’t go to the extent of removing the pubic hair completely. In this case, I don’t agree that it is merely the uncleanness they frown upon but the sight and thought of pubic hair on the body. It is among this lot that you find an attachment to belief, not here in this forum where everything is questioned, or should be questioned. Would it make me more open-minded had I not questioned it? Are those here who agree to everything that is said more open-minded than those who disagree every now and then?
I said that we are meant to be how Nature creates us. Admittedly that is an opinion. But when I followed it with the statement that what is created naturally is created with a purpose - that is not an opinion but an understanding. For why would Nature create something that has no purpose? Aren’t animals created the way they are for reasons of survival? Why then should we be any different and consider certain parts of our bodies as having no purpose? A lion’s main must be horribly unhygienic, but I’m certain it serves a purpose, even in its unhygienic condition. Why not the pubic hair on a human being? I don’t believe in being too hygienic. I’ve always thought it weakens our natural immune system. And although we are not animals that we should cause ourselves to live like them, neither are we spirits that we should cause ourselves to live without our natural physical protection. What is wrong with the golden mean? Can anyone explain to me why the pubic hair should be removed entirely when giving it a number two will probably do just as well? |
Savio
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Post Number: 506
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 07:25 pm: |
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Hi Joseph
It is quite common that there are people who do not grow pubic hair all their lives.
They are as natural as those who have pubic hair.
Perhaps we can arrive to some good conclusion by comparing the pros and cons between these two sets of nature created people.
On the surface, I would think that those who without pubic hair will have less problem during their daily lives.
If this is really the case, we would have a good reason to learn from the inspiration that nature provided.
Salome
Savio |
Mdaglioglu
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Post Number: 19
Registered: 04-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 07:39 pm: |
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Joseph,
Most of the islamic countries live in poverty and are uneducated. When western people criticize/judge muslim women and men, they disregard this fact and confuse poverty, un-education and islam with each other. When you talk about muslim women and men, I felt that you don't know them. That is the reason why I have written down the information about them, their tradition and how they feel about it. There is no sense to obey the tradition unless it is proven by science and by reasoning and logic when science is not enough. I think we are aggree on this.
When I say "To grow pubic hairs is against to the tradition" I mean the tradition of muslims.
I used the brushing of teeth as an example in order you to know/feel how they feel it. That's it nothing else.
When you say "we are meant to be how Nature creates us. Admittedly that is an opinion. But when I followed it with the statement that what is created naturally is created with a purpose", you maybe right ,this is an understanding, I have no objection. But this understanding may be wrong, may need some justifications. That is all I'd like to say.
To question it does not make anybody any less open-minded and Those people here who agree to everything that is said, I don't know them, they didn't write any message and one's being open-minded is not related to others. I didn't say you are not open-minded and I believe that you are open-minded because you are here. What I said is your way of defending it is ignoring to be open-minded and it is an attachment to the result (in this case your understanding is true).
Peace,
Murat |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 78
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 12:04 am: |
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Hello Savio
I have to say, I wasn’t aware that there are people whose pubic hair doesn’t grow. If this is true, and natural, I’m not going to argue my case against it as I am against the removal of pubic hair. Both, as you say, are natural conditions. I disagree with you, however, when you say that those who are without pubic hair have less problems during their daily lives than those who have pubic hair. I have pubic hair (should I admit that?) and I have had no hygienic concerns with it that can be conceived as a problem, just the odd case of getting entangled when travelling by train or bus and thinking about sex. The two just aren’t compatible. Maybe if I remove my pubic hair I wouldn’t have to experience such a painful ordeal. But maybe if I remove my trousers and pants, which keep my genitals pressed close to my pelvis, I wouldn’t experience it at all. Or maybe I just shouldn’t think about sex on trains and buses.
The truth is I love having pubic hair, and I love women with pubic hair, although it doesn’t have to be wild and unkempt. Admittedly, there is probably more concern for the problems to which you refer in this state than there would be if it were trimmed. I accept that. What I don’t accept is the complete removal of it.
You say we have good reasons to learn from the inspiration that Nature gives us (referring specifically to those without pubic hair). Are there no advantages, then, to having pubic hair that we have no good reason to learn from this?
Murat, what has science proved in regards to this subject? If nothing as yet, then what does logic say in regards to it that such a tradition should be kept?
Bear in mind that human logic isn’t infallible. |
Savio
Member
Post Number: 507
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 09:59 am: |
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Hi Joseph
Yes, it is true that there are people (common all around the world) do not grow pubic hair, and they are just as normal as we do, ask any doctor and they will tell you this fact.
As I understand it, removal of pubic hair is only a recommendation, one can choose to agree or disregard according to his/her own environmental situation.
Yes, I would think it is better without the pubic hair; there are two main issues here:
1. Pubic Hair on behind: After doing the big thing, the hair is wet and contaminated with feces. The use of tissue paper will only help cleaning the surface, the hair will not dry up and is still contaminated, hence the underwear is contaminated and so is one’s bed.
If we scan our beds with a special kind of light, or check it with a microscope, we will not believe what we are going to discover…. We are sleeping within particles of our own feces!!
It is for sure that the situation will be much better for those lucky ones who are without pubic hair.
2. Pubic Hair in front: These hair is the favorite bed for some well known sexually transmitted diseases, one has to remove all the pubic hair in order to be cured. On the other hand, the temperature around the pubic hair area is higher due to air is trapped within the hair, certain people at certain region/climate are more prone to have skin trouble around these area.
Again, it is for sure that those without pubic hair are better off.
Regarding the preference of having pubic hair is more beautiful or sexier, I would think it is something personal, it may be apple to one’s eyes but may not be so to the others.
It seems there is no solid advantage on having pubic hair than not to have it.
Regards
Savio |
Junior
Member
Post Number: 8
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 04:45 am: |
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As for the point of pubic hair I wanted to include something from my experience with Muslim people in Saudi Arabia. As mentioned in one of the previous posts, “it is more of a tradition” that followed islam for male and female to remove their pubic hair and under the shoulders (cannot remember how it is called, Arm pits??) any way it is meant simply for hygiene, as you could imagine in the old days the days of the prophet mohammed the days were hot as it is today in the middle east, without AC therefore it would be very sensible to have the pubic hair removed especially in summer where things can get very stinky…
Unlike winters where you wouldn’t notice much difference, as there is no sweat. All people have the right to take the tradition or leave it especially that it is not obvious enough to judge people by their looks, otherwise some people would comment, I speak about the islam in Saudi, as it is different in every country but not to major degrees.
Peace to all, and one Love
Junior
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Jay
Member
Post Number: 365
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 06:06 pm: |
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HI All,
I think pubic hair can be overcome naturally and eliminated from the human condition. As the Plejarens have altered some genetic functions which eliminate the need for pubic hair growth. It is natural as well to genetically alter something if it will be for positive results, i.e. eliminating Pubic hair. Those humans who are have no pubic hair or have less of it is quite good but at the same time, it would be a great idea to study the gene to enhance our pubic behavior.
Saalome and BE WELL to ALL 
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Dplotmach
Member
Post Number: 71
Registered: 09-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 11:41 am: |
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/11/army.}gum.ap/
Seems Billy is right once again...
"Btw: Billy once tasted their teeth-cleaning means, something like a chewing-gum. It tasted deliciously, somewhat sour, and you could get addicted to the flavor of it, he said." |
Sonik_01
Member
Post Number: 12
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 05:22 pm: |
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Hi All,
Billy says we are not supposed to use loofahs or other abrasive materials against our skin. Without loffahs, how are we supposed to get really clean inside the skin and eliminate bacteria and dirt clogged in our pores? Bacteria and dirt caught inside our pores becomes pimples later on, am I right? We are not supposed to use our fingernails either because of all the grime and dirt caught under our fingernails that is permenantly there. Also, my mother tells me that our fingernails contain a sort of passive fungus and that's why we shouldn't scratch our faces or pimples with our fingernails, because we might push dirt deeper into the pores and spread the fungus to other parts of our faces. She says that that's what dandruff is, a latent fungus that overgrows when we don't shower or use the wrong shampoo.
Question: What are we supposed to use instead of a loofah if we can't use our fingernails either in order to get really really spic n' span clean??? |
Memo00
Member
Post Number: 215
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 05:52 am: |
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hi
im no expert or anything, but its supposed that many bacteria are good for us and we need them to stay healthy, (its like if you have an aquarium but the water has not enough bacteria, then the fish will soon become sick and die)
anyway you clean with whatever you want, for how long do you think you are free of bacteria, i would say 0 seconds, maybe you are just irritating your skin getting rid of things that you need and weakening your defenses
and, if you want to get rid of fungus and bacteria, it doesnt sound logical that rubing your body with a sponge or whatever that has been for some time in a dark, humid place with a lot of dead skin will be the solution . . .
by the way, in other part of the Forum Dyson mentioned that also soap, deodorant and other daily use products are nocive for health, can anyone explain more ???
take care |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 757
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 08:15 pm: |
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Hi Sonik,
Also, the use of a wash cloth is not recommended because it carries bacteria. No soaps because they tend to suck the oil out of the skin which is needed and taking baths can weaken the aura, versus taking a shower. The hands are used to wash all parts of the body with just plain water.
When toweling it's preferable to use a dabbing motion rather than wiping the moisture from the surface of the skin.
Regards
Scott |
Isabellacoca
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Post Number: 21
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 09:42 am: |
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Hi Scott,
That's the way all human beings washed in the medieval, ancient days, and in the poor parts of foreign countries like Italy>with plain water. However, we'll still smell if we don't use some kind of cleaning stuff like shower gel or soap. It does seem as if scientists and society too are realizing that some of today's products eliminate our natural body oils and stuff. Have you ever seen the Dove hair shampoo commercial? In the commercial, they mention that other brands will wash all that "good stuff" right down the drain(the natural oils in our hair) right down the drain and that this new Dove shampoo keeps it where it belongs. So, I guess having said this, society or some part of society realizes that although all these cleaning supplies might make us smell good and "clean" us, they can also due damage to our balances in our body.
Salome,
Isabella Coca |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 590
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 11:25 pm: |
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Hi Isabella...
It would speak for itself, what Billy and the Plejarans had mentioned
concerning our body skin care. Even our body has a Natural way of taking
care of itself, than in other words: We always carry micro small little
creatures with us and which survive by nourishing themselves with the skin
fragments our body sheds-off in a Natural manner. This processing should
take its course, as Natural as possible, with out any 'Over-Use'...of any
soaps or other commonly used means. Thus, these micro small little
creatures should not be eliminated from their own surviving Natural tasks.
So, as we can Acknowledge: Every Creature in Creation has their 'Task' in
making Creation Function as NATURAL as can be. Even when concerning the
Human Body. Even us Humans Beings, as being Micro Small Little Creatures
carrying out our lively every day tasks...in the Immense of Creation!
And very well said: "they can also due damage to our balances in our body."
Edward. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 816
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 05:40 pm: |
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Hello,
Here are some basic rules of Hygiene as described in Billy’s book “Directiven” Please understand this is not an official translation.
All parts of the body form a part of bodily hygiene, which can be listed, in brief summation, as the following:
Face, Throat, Upper Body, Back, Lower parts of the body, Buttocks, Genitals, Legs, Feet Arms, Hands, Teeth and Ears.
A morning cleansing of the body can result by using pure cool or warm water, without any other agents, such as, for example, soap: whereby it yet must be said, that cool water suits this purpose best, consequently, either cold or hot waters. The same principle also applies for the cleaning of the teeth, for which, of course, a paste is appropriate.
The cleansing of the body in the evening is the main thing, for by this means all dirt of the daily work is to be removed (for persons who work at night the morning naturally becomes the evening with regard to cleaning the body) At this evening cleaning process the resources of soap are essential to the person wherever dirt occurs. The present air pollution already alone is to such an extent catastrophic, that a few hours following a purification process of the body, the human body is overcast with dirt of all kinds and with chemical remainders, which make a thorough cleaning necessary. A more frequent washing of the body can be well considered after abnormally strong pollutions, however the cleansing of the body should not be carried to excess. It is appropriate; however, that a repeated daily cleaning of body parts take place for which this is necessary. The following are, thereby of the utmost importance: Hands, mouth, nose, face, arms, throat, ears, feet, hair and beard.
Happy Cleaning
Regards
Scott |
Junior
Member
Post Number: 86
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 11:05 pm: |
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Thank you Scott for this very informative post, I just had a couple of questions.
-“evening cleaning process” does this refer to a shower?
-“however the cleansing of the body should not be carried to excess” what is considered to be excess from your understanding?
Regards, jr.
Peace to all, and one Love
Junior
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 817
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 11:52 pm: |
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Hello Junior,
Yes, it refers to a shower, not a bath. In older traditions the bath was considered to be a spiritual practice, and not for the sake of cleaning. If one is to take a bath for this reason (spiritual) you must have a shower beforehand so none of the dirt is released into the water. A bath is taken to give the body the optimum freedom and cure, to neutralize the psyche, to equalize the thinking and to promote and receive good health.
I would imagine excessive cleansing would refer to possibly staying in the shower for a very long time, or scrubbing the skin until it is raw....but I'm not absolutely sure.
It is also stated one must never use a washcloth because they are the carriers of many germs. In place of a wash cloth one should use his or her hands at first which are naturally provided for to purify all external organs of the body. In addition certain brushes which are purified and use synthetic or vegetable bristles may be used. Brushes with animal bristles shall never be used because they are beset with germs and are disease carriers.
Hope this helps
Regards
Scott |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 623
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 01:23 am: |
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Hi Scott and Junior....
Yes, I would agree with you Scott. Excessive of both should not become a
reality.
I would agree with what Billy mentioned; its Effect when showering...and
washing/disrupting away One's Aural Vibrations; which would indeed minimize
One's stamina, etc.
And concerning in the tub; One should not zit in it too long: One might turn
into a 'Raisin' And this 'Raisin' effect is surely very very damaging for
One's skin..etc.
Edward. |
Tony
Member
Post Number: 26
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 08:31 pm: |
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My next door neighbor showers himself once every couple of months. I know this because he changes his clothes every couple of months and I also know that he sleeps in the same clothes his wearing every night too, because a couple of times I got him out of bed to give me a hand to move something.
Does anyone know what health risks he would be risking or have due to this unhealthy practice? I only ask because he is my neighbor and he regularly comes inside my home. |
Hector
Member
Post Number: 192
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 08:33 am: |
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Billy advices not to use soap or gel while bathing or showering.If you use it, do it just once a week.
The higienic reason is that soap ruins the function of the skin pores, which is to block the entrance to pathogens and all kind of viruses.
Moving waters always have an effect of "purification".So plain water is enough, plain water while showering is fine to keep your daily higiene.
Most of the bodily fluids (sweat) can be dissolved with plain water, but chemical products ruin the functions of those fluids which are not intended to be dissolved.All those fluids that the body segregates in order to protect itself. |
Thomas
Member
Post Number: 165
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 11:29 pm: |
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To add to what Hector said, Billy also does recommend a bath once a week, or to "submerge the body completely under water in order to loosen dirt from hidden places" to paraphrase him.
Ultrasound at certain low frequencies is dangerous and can cause internal bleeding if strong enough.
Also if I remember correctly, Billy said that towels and wash rags are not recommended because they are breeding grounds for bacteria, however a natural sponge is ok provided that you disinfect it after use... |
Indi
Member
Post Number: 60
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 04:47 pm: |
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The rules of behaviour including personal hygiene and psychological etc..... are all spelled out in the little book called "Direktiven".
All personal hygiene is discussed in detail even about washing hair and of course the wearing of pubic hair -- but also the information about living with animals, as well as other snippets --- and is easy to read even with a machine translation.
Basically it is a book of guidelines "for the attainment and conservation of ones physical, emotional and consciousness purity and health"
Robjna |
Melli
Member
Post Number: 221
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 10:00 pm: |
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Where is this book Called "Direktiven"? You say it can be easily translated with a machine translation- if so is it available on the net, because that's how I usually use any translation system overt the internet. Thanks for the idea Robjna |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 445
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 02:32 am: |
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Hi members
Does anybody know if Billy spoke about the dangers of fluoride in our water system and in toothpaste?
Some use salt instead of toothpaste
I wonder how effective this is?
cheers
Matt |
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