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    Spaceman Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi all, Considering Vestri's question. I would ask Jacob: Are you speaking about the IVF (in vitro fertilization) described by Bryan Sykes in his book Adam's Curse? Hi Spaceman, There is a small issue with your account. I attempted to contact you by e-mail, but have recieved no response. Could you please e-mail me from the following link: http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/board-contact.cgi Thanks Scott-Moderator | ||
Mike_hooten New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2006 |
Hi All, Have studied the economics of cooperatives, employee owned companies, communes, kibbutzes, partnerships, associations, corporations and others over the last 20 years. FIGU Statutes Article 2: "Realization of joint ownership of land and equipment.." Further, Mr. Meier has given a prophecy (Contact 241 or 251 i think) "scientists service agreement" I feel like i am quite and expert on this subject of shared assets and would like to have an area on the FIGU Forum to discuss this. I am interested in the overall theory rather than actually talking about moving to someplace and doing it right now. Thank you moderator for your help. Mike Hooten | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Mike, I am not an expert in this field, but what do you think about open-book management? Are you familiar with Jack Stack and SRC? I think one of the problems with employee ownership is how the company liquidates (or buys back) the shares from employees that leave the company. This must be an especially difficult process with small employee-owned businesses unless cash-flow is exceptionally strong. What do you think? | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 10-2006 |
Under the category, if at first you don’t succeed, try, try again. Man's wives have no sense of humor Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:06AM EDT RIYADH (Reuters) - A Saudi man lost a bit of his nose in a joint assault by his two wives after he jokingly threatened to marry a third woman. Judaie Ibn Salem had thought his threat would help resolve an argument over dividing up his house. "I swore that I would do it because ... they were impolite and that's when I came under an even bigger attack," Ibn Salem told Shams newspaper after having seven stitches inserted. "I never realized they would get so worked up. But the only way to restore my dignity is really to take a third wife. "I don't know what I'm going to lose next if I do that." Islamic law allows men to take up to four wives and polygamy is not unusual in the conservative kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 06-2007 |
How the pleiadean women see us? As monkey? As primitive cave men? As how they see us?  | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 287 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Mr Incredible one would have to ask them to know. . . since there is not a single person in the entire universe that is exactly the same than another, each woman could say something different about each and everyone of the earth men to put all persons in one bag and to call them this or that is illogical and it is a lack of respect when they say negative things about us as humankind it is with the purpose that we recognize our errors not to denigrate us more important that what others think about you is what you think about yourself like the saying says (which translates in English something like this): "it is better that people hate for what you are, than people loving you for what you aren´t" so find who you really are, live your life, be yourself, and forget about all the crap take care | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Christian, I always was wondering why there were always fights going on in the FIGU center, Billy was always trying to control them but it never worked. Because of the fights, the contacts ended,leaving Billy exhausted. Also i wanted to ask, that if Randalph Winters was a falsifier, why did Quetzal,Semjase and Ptaah allow him to come to Billy? They could have known it before itself, right? Take Care Salome, Aditya | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 939 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Aditya.... If I may pitch in a few coins.... It is mentioned in Guido's book, that the adversary whom were trying to Torpedo the Mission, managed to utilize accumulated energy, and convert it into negative energy and to direct this towards the center and it's individuals. And this played part in the - unnatural - confrontations you know about. So, those confrontations were not (all) naturally, generated...but 'artificially'.[see Guido's 'AY...TF' for details] And concerning Randalph Winters: I would think that - Free Will - plays part here(?). What Randalph Winter does with Billy's information/materials is just up to himself. If he wishes to become/play a Paul/Saul-like figure: this is up to him. One stills has Free Will to correct and direct him/her-self in which direction he/she wishes. Thus, even if they knew what for negative input Randalph Winters would contribute to the Mission: there could have always been a Possibility, for it NOT to result, as it did. Thus, Winters' input could have been Positive, if he tried harder, so to speak. And so: the Paul/Saul scenario, did not have to happen per se. But, alas; the Mind is weaker than the flesh! He took the Material aspect more serious, than the Spiritual Mission aspects, as he should have.(i.e. a Prophecy did not have to become a Prediction!) Edward. | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Edward, Yes, but wasn't there a protective shield put up by Quetzal himself on top of the center, which would protect the members? After that also they were fighting. I don't know what could be the reason. They were all supposed to be equal. Billy tried his best to keep all of them together telling them that the mission would be under jeopardy if they kept fighting like this, but still no one heard, and finally Billy had to end the contacts. Was the Paul/Saul scenario fake? Was it made up by Randalph Winters? Salome Aditya | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 117 Registered: 05-2007 |
For how long did Billy end the contacts. I know he ended them sometime around the mid 70's but for how long and was it his choice or did the P's advise him to do so. Also was it just a temporary thing or was Billy determined on ending them for good. salome | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 05-2007 |
I know he came extremely close to wanting to end the contacts and the mission all together numerous times due to personal reasons but was this one of them or was it all a plan to try and stop the members from fighting. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 940 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Aditya and Dave..... Aditya, I have no recollection of your mentioned protective shield(or it may have slipped my memory?); I do remember that a Observation Disc was stationed above the Center. And even the Plejarans could not oversee, what did happen to Billy and the core group. You will have to read the details in Guido's book. Paul/Saul, concerning Randalph Winters was just an example. You will have to read the TJ! Dave, there was indeed a time, as I can recall, that it was - Too Much (mentally related; see Guido's book!) - for Billy, and the Plejarans did leave it all up to Billy if he wanted to stop or proceed further; of course, the last was Billy's choice. So, Billy did proceed further as we can notice up until the Plejarans Obligations were fulfilled concerning The Mission; and now the contacts are pure of a humanitarian sense and respect for Billy, and what he has done for Mankind; and Billy is being updated on our worldly matters....etc..... Edward. | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Edward, Thanks for the info.  Salome Aditya | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear all FIGU-members and -helpers, Feelings, as Billy says in "Die Psyche", "represent the basic phenomenon of subjective and individual experiences" ("...Gefuehle, die fuer den Menschen das Grundphaenomen des subjektiven und individuellen Erlebens darstellen..." ("Die Psyche", page 11, first paragraph continued from page 10). Asking someone to ignore their negative feelings is like asking someone to close their eyes when someone is running up to them to punch them, and pretend that nothing is happening. The only way for self-control to occur is for one to acknowledge one's emotions in finest detail, which according to Billy increases as a capability with evolution ("Die Psyche", pages 9-15). Most 'rational' people on Earth, however, are taught/trained to irrationally deny their own feelings. This only results in a loss of self-control, and not any sort of 'composure' in reality. Real 'control' or management of emotions is only possible when one is aware of them. (The aforementioned sort of emotional stupidity is generally more common among men than women, and is probably part of the reason why Quetzal thought it pressing to mention the average superiority in intelligence of women over men. (Does this correspond to a higher average evolutionary level brought about by a more well-rounded consciousness?) I noticed that, when he was stressed out, Dyson seems to have made misleading statements about Billy's teachings regarding feelings. His repeated impulsive denial of the importance of feelings is symptomatic of those who have followed his sort of career-life, but these negative remarks have nothing whatsoever to do with true self-control and wisdom related to feelings, which Billy teaches. I do not mean to criticise 'him', but only a behaviour of his which he should strive to correct. I'm not able to actually contact him directly about this matter at this time. I'm only applying the same strict scrutiny which he has applied to others, which I actually wholeheartedly agree with. Rarena for instance looks dangerous to me, from his posts. His form of 'mischief' is certainly of the negative variety, and he seems in my perception to be involved in the occult network, at least ideologically. Conspiracy theories are one thing (a thing which people have accused Dyson of 'believing' in, which I would say he most definitely is not guilty of), but real conspiracies and real mind-control cults, like Scientology, are an undeniable horror with which we must contend--reasonably. The only way in which we can do this rationally, however, is if we are aware of how we feel about these matters. I think that ignorance of one's own emotional motivations is part of what leads to negative and positive degenerations. People have emotional needs, and then they fail to meet these needs repeatedly in some way or another by ignoring when they are 'hungry'. Then, since they are not aware of their feelings and therefore not in control of their reactions to their feelings, they become motivated mostly by these degenerate tendencies. Being aware of, feeling, using, communicating, recognising, remembering, describing, identifying, learning from, managing, understanding and explaining one's emotions is a necessary intelligence-factor in the human personality, and is one which cannot be neglected if the human being is to evolve. This is currently called 'emotional intelligence', although I must warn you that there is much mis- and disinformation put out about this subject by profit-oriented people who spread untruths. The original dissertation about the concept using the term "emotional intelligence" was published by Wayne Payne, a doctoral student, in 1985 (see Abstract From Wayne Payne's Doctoral Dissertation). Research into emotional intelligence began in the psychology community with the American psychologists, Dr. John D. "Jack" Mayer and Dr. Peter Salovey. However, it is my opinion that the current forefront of this field of research, philosophy and wisdom is Steve Hein, whose website, EQI.org, seems much more in line with the teachings of Billy and the Plejaren than the official researchers, who often are not very adaptive or emotionally intelligent themselves. This is not to peg anyone with a label, but simply to honestly give my assessment of them. It is interesting to note, however, that Steve Hein seems to suffer from a different form of "positive degeneration" than that which Dyson has demonstrated to us, but it seems similarly to be connected to kinds of emotions. He seems to be working on resolving these matters, however. I think, though, that the Spirit-Teachings offer the only effective balance to truly and fully understand and resolve one's inner barriers to harmony. This includes exercise and evolution in the domain of feelings and their understanding just as much as it includes syntactical systems of understanding nature, etc., as extensively outlined by Billy. I think personally that alot of this has to do with instincts. Human beings, male and female, tend to have some 'priority' instincts which are made so by their energetics, their body chemistry, etc. I would say that a major positive instinct of a male human being is to Protect, while a major positive instinct of a female human being is to Harmonise and Nurture (they tie in to one another). If the fulfillment of either of these instincts is in some way suppressed, not realised, or denied, it would seem natural that an emotional 'hunger' and 'yearning' would develop, motivated by these instinct-related feelings. A male experiencing positive degeneration might become destructively altruistic in order to protect his 'herd', like what Dyson did--which is the lot of 'heroes' and 'martyrs'. What was noble, becomes self-annihilating due to the ignorance and lack of management of its motivation--namely, an unattended feeling; an unmet emotional need. Also to consider are the numbers of emotional, psychological, intellectual, etc., abuses we commit against one another and have had commited against us since we were but very young children, which have life-lasting impacts on many people, which must be dealt with in order for harmony to truly fulfill itself in their mind and behaviours. I think that the latter is a source for disharmony in many people, and that much of this type of abuse-related disharmony can be blamed on religious dogmas forced on children, while many other factors, including bad parenting stemming from the parent's own unattended feelings, all play great roles. I think that Steve Hein's research is full of insights about the emotional abuses and ignorances replete in our current society, in religions, etc., and this honesty is the reason why it is so much more valuable (and so much more popular among e.g. abused teens) than the psychobabble and reductionist theories of so-called 'mind sciences'. These are certainly useful, but they are often blinded by their own reductionist theories. An example is the absurd quest for a personality typology among many academics, which is both simple and predictive, which is utter non-sense to the ear of common sense. Human personalities are enormously complex and can never be fit into a simple scheme of categories. The very best personality system in existence today (in my opinion) requires the allowance for 1,773,000 different personality-types based upon 3 axes of personality, and even that is not even scratching the surface of the irreducible complexity of human subjective existence! (as Billy has also mentioned several times throughout his books, but especially in the aforementioned book, "Die Psyche", which I highly, highly, highly! recommend to all psychologists, therapists, and to all persons in general.) Saalome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear FIGU-helpers and -members, I was just perusing the cache of Dyson's e-mails with Scott, etc., on the matter of his leaving the forum, and I have to, am obligated to point out that he is by no means the only side in that 'debate' guilty of ignoring the feelings of himself and others. In fact, I found a quote by Scott in which he says "don't be discouraged by a few imbeciles" to Dyson. Seems harmless enough, right? But how would you feel if you were Dyson in that situation and someone told you to just "not be discouraged"? Would you feel understood? Would you feel helped? Or would you feel alone, unhelped, invalidated in your feelings...? On top of that, many other statements to Dyson at that time served to subtley ostracise him and attack his character, his intelligence, his evidence, etc. I'll just say that in my opinion Dyson was easily the most intellectually intelligent person on this forum when he was here. He made logical connections more rapidly and more often than just about anyone else whom I can see in the records. He did, however, for a long time show emotional damage--maybe he was emotionally abused as a child in some form, like by a religion. He may have been taught by someone, like his teachers, that his feelings were secondary to his thoughts, when they in fact form a dynamic feedback-loop with one another. As a matter of fact, from his evident knowledge of cybernetics, etc., I think that he actually intellectually or syntactically knew that, while semantically falling short of actualisation and understanding of this matter due to a habitual way of dealing with emotions which was unhealthy, such as invalidating his own emotions with his intellect instead of accepting them and then analysing their causes and effects. However, it seems that most people on Earth are actually much more emotionally degenerated than Dyson ever was, and that everyone on this forum exhibits flaws in this regard, mostly likely due to damage from emotional abuse of various kinds, which must be dealt with and understood in order for us to actually create true peace, freedom, and harmony in connection with absolute cognition of true love. Peace is not something which magically lights upon your head when you pray for it. On the contrary, peace only can be built from the individual outward, and that means absolute, total self-responsibility for thoughts, feelings, and actions, etc.; total, absolute, self-responsibility for all things in our power! As an old Hawai'ian shamanic saying goes, "NOW is the moment of power." Saalome (our goal, the plant which we are helping to seed through true effort, not some New Age magic word), - Matthew | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 347 Registered: 04-2006 |
Dyson had (has) an IQ of 160.Dyson purchased the Om.Dyson attempted (succesfully) to translate passages of the OM as well as passages from the contact notes. Of course that makes him a rare individual, a person who was (is) gifted with a privileged material and spiritual intelect.But even Dyson is not free of being mistaken or being fallible.It's obvious that Dyson made some mistakes, one of them was to leave this forum to dedicate more time to OTO, conspiracy theories, pedophiles and the like. This figu forum and all these people, the people who join efforts with Billy, they meant safe harbor to him.Why did he choose to sail stormy waters? This figu forum is a place where truthseekers, fair and just people meet to know more about the creation and the universe.People make mistakes, that makes us humans.But THIS is one of the places where truth, love, justice and wisdom are venered. In these sad confusing days it's a privilege to enter this forum.It's a redux, a fortress of the real human values, independent from any literary or spiritual skills shown by forum members.This forum is a temple of logic, reason, truth and spirit.This is no material temple, this is just a community of individuals who want to feel the creation closer.As the plejaren use high tech shields against illogic, fanaticism, stupidity, and low vibrations, we should use other shields too which are at our disposal.Those shields against today's insanity are billys books, figu bulletins and THIS FORUM. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Matthew, Warmest Greetings All, Matthew, Where have you been hiding all this time? This, of course, is in the form of a rhetorical question. You may answer or not, as you choose. You are welcomed to this forum. Your insights and knowledge add much here. I wish to comment on one point in your post #15, that in respect to instinct. It is true that most men ignore the feeling level of their being. The instinct would be to "listen for the predator in the bush" in order to protect the woman and the tribe. In this era, that instinct has become sublimated, still of a nature to protect, but to fight to the "top" of whatever career in order to provide for the woman and home. All the while with an eye on any that would attack "from the rear" that could de-rail a chosen path to money and "glory." And still all the while, an eye out for any who would steal away that special "prize" woman. For these "reasons" and more, a willingness to fight or go to war. I appreciate that you also include the original German along with English in your references. Thank you, especially, for the mention of the work of Steve Hein at EQI.org . This would be a valuable resource for further study. Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear J_rod7, When Billy says that feelings represent the basic phenomenon of our subjective and individual experience, and goes on to describe them, in conjunction with our current knowledge of how the brain works, it is evident that feelings actually form the motivations for all human actions. Before a human consciously thinks about anything, his feelings motivate him to think about it. A human being cannot even move a finger without the intention first occuring non-consciously in the psyche. The key to controlling the action is when the conscious mind becomes aware of the intention to act. Feelings also direct the thoughts toward certain things, such as the needs of the human being in order to maintain mental balance and health, etc. (And they arise from so many different factors that not a single set of reducible rules can be created from which to educe the rest, contary to what psychologists sometimes seek to find.) Therefore, if a person denies how they feel, they do not in any way truly 'suppress' the emotion's influence, but merely ignore it, and therefore lose control over it. This is why there are so many very angry, very degenerate people on this planet who claim not to give a hoot about anyone's feelings, while themselves being totally motivated by their own ignored, abused, and therefore degenerated feelings. With men, I think the main problems are a) that men are already much more unbalanced and compulsive than women, and b) that men are taught by society not to take these compulsions under any sort of control or management, and not to even begin to try to understand or appreciate the wild feelings which motivate their every action. The only way that these feelings can be controlled, however, is if the person is aware of them, and meets their own emotional needs. If they don't do it explicitly, their psyche will become unbalanced and try to motivate them to do it implicitely, throgh actions, compensations, etc. Another major issue to bring up is the issue of emotional honesty. Dyson actually had several quotes from Billy about this matter on his website. It essentially revolves around being honest about how one feels and how others are perceived to feel. This means that if someone is upset, you don't tell them to 'cheer up' and therefore give them no consolation whatsoever. Instead, you address the negative emotion in its most acute stage, by addressing it directly and telling the person that you know how they feel. Only then can the emotion truly be said to be under control--when sympathy and understanding have occured, either for another, or for oneself. The same goes for when one is feeling a negative emotion. If one is upset, one does not put on a smile and lie to everyone else about how one feels while harbouring negativity. One tells others how one feels, so that one's psyche may be brought into balance. We unfortunately live, generally, in a very emotionally unhealthy society, in which many habits to the contrary of our own human natures are taught and learned. Saalome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 08-2007 |
Hector, I would hope that this forum proves to be such a haven for reason and sanity, but this will take work on the part of all honest FIGU-helpers and -members on this forum. It cannot happen magically. Synergies can't happen when the parts themselves fail to operate (synergy in this sense meaning a whole which is greater in effect than the sum of its parts). I would say that what you describe is not so much the way the forum is, but the way that it should strive to become. I feel motivated to help in this striving, but I don't want to sacrifice myself to a futile cause when others aren't chipping in. I think that this is partly what Dyson did, and this was one of his mistakes. With regard to emotional intelligence, let me say that a major thing to consider is the idea of 'emotional poison', which often includes lies about feelings and the true state of things, and denial of real emotional causes, which results in the complete distortion of the understanding of motivations and mentalities in human beings, as well as shifts focus away from the things which we should be regarding, which our feelings have directed us to, and to other, trivial things, as distractions. This is applies to when people use 'sweet sayings' in order to intoxicate the senses of another person and numb them from their real feelings about a matter. For instance, if someone is outraged about the mistreatment of children by religious institutions and religious parents, someone might tell them to 'calm down' because it's all 'not really so bad', in the process making things temporarily, seemingly, deceivingly, lazily easier for the addressed person, since they are absolved of responsibility, while their real feelings remain at a non-conscious level, gnawing on them and setting their psyche out of balance. On top of that, the children in this example would continue to be abused, because this matter of importance has been completely ignored, so that they are not protected at all from emotional and intellectual abuse by those charged to look afer them. When someone says that something like that 'is not really so bad', they are being completely unsympathetic, cruel, and inhumane. If someone has a feeling, they cannot change the feeling itself. One cannot 'control' the existence of the feeling itself; it is an antecedent to thought and behaviour. However, one can control the thoughts and the behaviours resulting fromt the feeling, and this is best done through conscious recognitin and analysis of the feeling in question and its causes. This corresponds to a shift from the anterior cingulate cortex as the centre of electrical brain activity, to the right dorsal prefrontal lobe. Neuropsychologically, this corresponds to a shift from purely drive-based and unthinking, non-conscious impulse,to consciously recognised and verstaendlich intelligent management of emotions. All writers and poets, etc., use this process often in order to match words to feelings. Many people have difficulties connecting words to feelings due to atrophy of this capacity, but it can be re-trained. Emotional intelligence itself is by nature an innate ability, which corresponds to evolutionary development. I think that most persons are at an adequate level of evolution to start using their emotional intelligence, but that emotional damage interferes with this behaviour being carried out. To add to my response to J_rod7, it would appear that, in general, females on Earth are more advanced in this regard (conscious recognition of feelings) than males, in conjunction with now being given equal access to intellectual/syntactical education, so that it seems that females are generally of somewhat higher spiritual evolutionary level than males on Earth (since one-sided intellectual development results in stagnation, and one-sidedness is very common in males). I think that this observation ties in with many statements in, e.g. the Contact Notes, as well as in the Predictions of the Prophets Jeremia and Elia. Here is an example: "Das Weib wird im dritten Jahrtausend nach Jmmanuels Geburt hochsteigen zur Mutter des Jahrtausends. Das Weib wird die Sanftheit und Liebe, die Harmonie und den Frieden der wahren Mutter verströmen und die vollendete Schönheit und Liebe nach der Hässlichkeit der Barbarei und der todbringenden Kriege sein. Und die Lehre des Propheten wird viel dazu beitragen, wodurch sich die neue Zeit in ihrem Gang in eine leichte Zeit verwandelt, in der ehrlich und wahr geliebt und geteilt, gemeinsam geträumt und die Träume wahrgemacht werden. Und wenn für den Menschen diese zweite Geburt wahr wird, werden sich die Gedanken und Gefühle und der Kopf sich der Masse der Menschen bemächtigen, die in Nächstenliebe eins miteinander sind. Das wird das Ende der Barbarei sein, das Ende der Kriege und das Ende des Bösen. Es wird eine Zeit des Wissens und der Weisheit anbrechen und den Menschen den wahren Sinn des Lebens nahebringen, den der Prophet der Neuzeit trotz meuchlerischen Angriffen auf sein Leben unbeirrt lehren und in die Welt hinaustragen wird. Durch seine Lehre werden für die Menschen ab der Neuzeit die glücklichen Tage beginnen, wenn die Menschen den Weg des Friedens, der Freiheit und der Lehre des Geistes finden und auf ihm wandeln. Dann wird die Erde ihre Ordnung wiederhaben. Vorerst aber werden es nur wenige Tapfere sein, die den Worten und der Lehre des Propheten folgen werden, wobei ihr Weg gar hart und mühsam sein wird. So werden sich erst nur wenige Getreue auszeichnen und sich ihren Lohn erarbeiten, doch wird die Zeit kommen, da sie sich schnell mehren und in gar grossen Massen in aller Welt sein werden. In the third millennium after Jmmanuel’s birth, the woman will rise to become the mother of the millennium. The woman will exude gentleness, love, harmony and peace of the true mother, and will be the perfect beauty and love after the ugliness of barbarity and the death-bringing wars. And the teaching of the prophet will contribute much to that end, whereby the new time in its evolutionary path transforms into a time of ease, in which human beings will sincerely and truly love and share, dream together and make dreams come true. And when this second birth becomes reality for the human being, thoughts and feelings and the head will get hold of the majority of human beings who, in loving their fellow-human being, are altogether one. That will be the end of barbarity, the end of wars and the end of evil. A time of knowledge and wisdom will dawn, and bring near to human beings the true meaning of life, which the prophet of the new time will unwaveringly teach and carry into the world, in spite of treacherous attacks on his life. Through his teachings happy days will begin for human beings from the new time onward, when human beings find the path of peace, freedom, and the teaching of the spirit, and walk on it. Then the earth will again have its standing rules and regulations. At the beginning only a few courageous ones will follow the words and the teaching of the prophet whereby their path will be quite tough and strenuous. So at first, only a few loyal ones will distinguish themselves and toil for their reward, yet the time will come when they quickly multiply, and will be in large numbers around the world." Also, I think it should be mentioned, for Dyson's credit, that he clearly has a comparatively high innate emotional intelligence, which seemed to have been hindered for a time in certain dimensions by emotional damage and bad habits, essentially. This seems to a common pattern of incorrect thinking and self-unrealisation among intellectual males. I have not seen it so much among women, though it is also common for them to be damaged and degenerate in other ways, it should be noted. Usually with the female, it is not so much an issue of emotional unawareness/insensitivity as degenerate and negative resentfulness, etc. I still think that the matter of women generally being slightly more evolved than males is an important possibility to consider, especially with regard to emotional harmony-making and humaneness. There is naturally much more to be said about this subject, but I want to simply guide for now, and see what sorts of insights develop out of the 'seeds' which I have planted. There is still probably much to clarify, however. The nature of words themselves comes to mind, although I have directed one person on this forum already to Atlant Bieri's booklet on that matter. I honestly think that this is one of the most important booklets which FIGU publishes, because of its implications to all of the other writings of Billy and FIGU-members. Another matter to mention is to clarify statements by Dyson about logic being 'cold' and 'hard'. I don't think that this is an adequate metaphor to be applied generally. Logic does consist of a 'syntactical level', or that level of interactions and consistency which can be analysed using mathematical logic, but there is also the semantic level, which is by nature irreducible since it has to do with subjective impressions, perceptions, memories, etc. The semantic level consists of 'symbols' which are infinitely complex, and even if 'objective' in their wholeness, they are never, not even once, perceived and interpreted identically by even the same person at two different times, let alone by two different people at any given times. The symbols are connected together by analogies of form and holistic senses of consistency. Their input into syntactical systems of logic, such as a natural language or a formal language, amounts to an attempt to reduce the relationship of what this symbol represents to other symbols. Because the 'meaning' or semantics of a word consists of an enormously subjective and emotionally-saturated experience, even in the 'coldest' or most rigorous systems, the symbols only have meaning in the sense of Formeinheit, which is holistic and flexible. Really, when one thinks of logic itself in a different sense, even the simple concepts of negation, and/or relationships, and tautologies completely depend upon the form-context of these relationships. Therefore, the real deciding factor of presence or unpresence, of negation or existence, etc., is not simply some kind of 'cold logic' abstraction, but rather, the cognitive consistency within the higher-order Formeinheit/form-oneness, which I think may perhaps be better described with the German word "Stimmigkeit". Something "stimmig" within one level of form may not be "stimmig" within a lower level of form. Something possible within a system with less restriction is clearly not possible, also, within a system with more restriction which is subordinate to the less-restricted system. Therefore, logic is not by any means 'cold' nor is it static, but rather, it totally depends upon form and nested levels of cogniton, consistency, degrees of freedom, and for us, our human experience and the meanings which we sense/apply/etc. with regard to the symbols themselves. The overall Formeinheit of all Reality, which forms the highest-order form and teh contextual framework which allows for anything to exist in any kind of self-consistency, is the Creation, which consists of the Creational Laws--absolute tautologies of the highest order which are the necessary super-axioms of any and all kinds of existence, period, and follow from the very fact that they exist. This is a deep concept, but I recommend that one seek to grasp it, since it is precisely what Billy means when he says that the Creational Laws follow from pure logic. In fact, they are the very reason why Logic, or anything else, for that matter, can exist! It is impossible to imagine anything without them. They are the necessary level at which there is a medium of consistency comprising all things, etc. Their "Law" lies in the cause-and-effect of form. If one defies some component of one's own form-consistency, one starts to degrade one's own form, or forms associated with one's future, etc., and naturally destroys oneself. This is not even really a 'law' in the sense of a 'natural law', but instead is just a self-evidence. The natural laws follow from the forms themselves, and are conditional, but the Creational Laws are the super-conditions upon which the very existence of law is based. Another interesting matter here to note is that the fact that the Creation absolutely must be whole and not separate from anything real, demonstrates immediately the impossibility of an 'external creator' which is of the highest order or reality. Therefore, all religions are automatically false, in order for reality itself to be real, at all. Saalome, - Matthew | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 348 Registered: 04-2006 |
To talk about logic as an absolute is complicated.I think logic as an absolute can be understood in very high stages of evolution, when the material intelect begins to step aside and the spiritual intelect takes control of the creature.Until then, there is a lot of work to be done."Cold" logic or absolute logic remains a somewhat ungraspable concept, because he who wants to "dive" in pure logical thoughts is not prepared yet, and finally he gets crazy. It is the ultimate goal to act and think as logical as possible, but always making mistakes, because only that grants evolution. Question is...is it possible to properly mix Logic & Feelings? Well the word mix is incorrect here.The proper word is "combine".Combining a certain amount of logic and a certain amount of feelings (under control) may propel you to a higher level.That's the concept of "Hyperunity" (hypereinheit).Two separate parts combine, or unify, to forge or create a new entity. You see that in the act of procreation.Also, the material realm and the spiritual realm "combine" to engender a COMPLETE world.One is incomplete without the other.Positive can't stand alone without the negative.Females have their male counterpart. What is important here is that one of the two factors which forge a hyperunity is not relegated, mitigated, annihilated or rejected.So i would not ever try to BLOCK logic, or block your feelings, because they are necessary, but they have to be under control.You have a nice word for that in english "command". | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 293 Registered: 07-2004 |
While knowledge can be seen as the main element of logic, it cannot be logic if love is not present. "Cold" logic could hardly exist due to it's absence of love. The average male interprets love with his desires. This misconception of love is a condition most men operate with, thus adding to the confusion of the repressed emotions that his feelings create. This illogic is what rules our testosterone driven world. As an example, most men love their cars more than people. To love a car more than a person is clearly degenerate and can only be illogical. Hector asks if it's possible to combine logic and feelings(emotions). Is this an idea that logic is at one end of a spectrum and emotions at the other? My understanding of Billy's teachings has all aspects of a balanced human that says his life involves wisdom, wisdom which takes love, and love which takes logic, and logic which takes knowledge, and knowledge which takes judging correctly, which judging correctly takes wisdom, etc, and all things under the Creational Laws and Directives. A balanced human is one who uses all his humanness. "Cold" logic(illogic) is what we have now, and it's degenerating humanity faster than ever. Yes, men are told feelings make them weaker. Then society shows them how strength is created by screening out emotions and how advancement can be obtained by exploiting others weakness's. Men's fear of having anyone know their true emotions keeps them in a life long denial of discovering what consciousness is to true evolution. Fortunately we have women. The world will only begin healing when men, before they become men(child), are taught by women(mother) who show them how understanding their feelings, through themselves and with the help of others, will become a true spiritual strength that evolves his humanness for himself and all the others who surround him. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 987 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Shawn.... Good point you bring up: To love a car more than a person is clearly degenerate and can only be illogical. That is truly, the - Materialism - aspect of life. And indeed: NO Spirituality, present....what so ever. Well, just some time ago, there was a poll, and the women were asked what they wished for the New Year to come, and practically all women said: 'To Be Rich, have a big house, or marry a rich man...etc.' Very Materialistic orientated. And when the men were asked, they said: have a healthy long life, be happy married, see that the whole family have a long Life with much love....etc. Very Spiritually orientated. It is very surprising to hear that a majority of the women think very very Materialistic. But, here in the country I live in: WE are being Bombarded every day with so much Materialistic aspects of life, as One can only come to conclusion, that it can only degenerate our today's existence/society, alas. The Men, thinking in a much (broader) different frequency, do indeed....long for a more Spiritual out-come. Thus, are to some point: More Conscious of the matters of our everyday lives. Positively, those mentioned women will one day realize they made a very misjudged wish. More or less: their Cold(logic)...? Edward. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 301 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hey Edward, Hmm...I would say to the idea of the poll making women out to be materialistic could be a simple misdirect to once again belittle women and maintain the rule of men. I would have to see the complete situation of that poll before I could conclude such results. Here in America our media doesn't reflect any reality when they conduct their polls. Simple designs in the questions structure force people to answer positives to what they normally do not agree with. A poll is not in any form a good example to expound a truthful point. The variables in questions can pollute a respondents mind before they begin answering. I find the results do not resemble what I experience in my community. The response the women gave may more likely mean that they know to raise a family takes money and to have the opportunity for a better life is easier when finances are not a concern. Better care for a child can be possible if the survival needs aren't always looming and threatening. Do you have the conditions this poll was administered in? a friend in america Shawn |
