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Author Message Scott Moderator Post Number: 1391 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2008 - 11:20 am:        In the book "The Psyche" there is mention of magnetotherapy, but this in reference to neutralizing a person's psyche. Michael Member Post Number: 617 Registered: 10-2000 Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2008 - 09:13 pm:        Hi Indi, Sorry it took so long to post this, been swamped with film-related stuff: http://freemarketduck.com/pages/FMDNewsHealth113.htm Michael Horn Edward Member Post Number: 1019 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 09:45 am:        Hi AG and All... I have even read in the past that Indians of America NEVER obtained Lung Cancer, as we know today. It is because the Indians and even the Africans and in other parts of the world smoked the tobacco plant: In it's NATURAL state! And even lived a much more Healthier life, than today. In the turn of the century, tobacco acquired a process called: Flavoring (Sausen, in Dutch); which has to do with the Taste, and mixtures as well as Conserve substance....etc.: which are Cancer generators. This information I obtained from a friend many dacades ago whom worked at Pall Mall, here in the Netherlands. And so, in those days: the tobacco companies 'denied' that smoking can cause Lung Cancer, which was of course, is/was a truly Man Made lie! Semjase, only gave a short description, to generate Cancer. Which is of course linked to many other Causes! One should THINK FURTHER...than what she wrote, AG! Thus, AG: try not to 'Jump The Gun', if you will! Andrew once posted a list which give an idea of the Cancer Generators, and which we should take into account. Perhaps, someone can find his string, which I have trouble finding?[Athena??] Edward. Cancerdoc Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2007 Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 04:57 pm:        Dear Edward, I don't think questioning a clearly troubling statement in a book that claims the truth is "jumping the gun." In fact, to assume that there is more behind a statement that in fact makes it true despite its unsupported claims is dangerous in my humble opinion. If we all were to do that, we would be as "guilty" as those who "believe in" the world's major religions. The statement was made that cancer is the result of a parasitic and misguided life. That itself is not true according to yourselves who claim there is more behind it as well as to me who knows that the statement must not be taken without further explanation or original translation. The fact is that cancer is the leading cause of death worldwide and a statement such as that is profoundly important to clarify, to tease out intention as we have, and to learn from ultimately. Take care, AG Markc Member Post Number: 586 Registered: 06-2000 Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 07:12 pm:        Hi AG ; I also remember reading that the fear of cancer is also a cause . I don't recall where , perhaps here on the forum . It seems reasonable to me , that in an organism that moves and sustains itself of it's own accord , that an exceeding 'faith" in external powers ( godly saviour ,protector angels , benevolent god) may rob a human of his own innate ability to sustain himself . Also ,to fear an attack , especially something as bizarre as an attack on one's self by one's self ... would be somewhat daunting , as a re-occuring thought which could manifest itself as the (fear) disease itself . In this regard , I think that the parasitic lifestyle referred to would be religious faith , in contrast to a faith in one's self ; and the ability for self to sustain self . This statement will seem very out of place to a person of faith . I am also of the opinion that when a person prays to diety for healing , that the healing is actually carried out by self , except that in this model it is believed to be carried out by diety ,so the majority agrees , amen , etc. Mark Campbell Trevor Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 07:42 pm:        "I have even read in the past that Indians of America NEVER obtained Lung Cancer, as we know today. It is because the Indians and even the Africans and in other parts of the world smoked the tobacco plant: In it's NATURAL state! And even lived a much more Healthier life, than today. In the turn of the century, tobacco acquired a process called: Flavoring (Sausen, in Dutch); which has to do with the Taste, and mixtures as well as Conserve substance....etc.: which are Cancer generators. This information I obtained from a friend many dacades ago whom worked at Pall Mall, here in the Netherlands." Hi Edward, Sorry but you are terribly wrong there. The truth is that smoking tobacco in its natural state will most certainly cause lung cancer. You obviously aren't aware of all the many thousands of people worldwide who have contracted lung cancer from smoking tobacco in its natural state because thats how it is only distributed in their country (3rd world). Direct from tobacco farms to shops, market stalls, ect. But this also happens in 1st world countries too. I also want to point out that smoking tobacco in its natural state hardly tastes any different to when its flavored. I know because I am a smoker and I buy my tobacco in its natural state in half kilo bags under the counter from my local tobacconist at a saving of over 80%. (cut out the tobacco companies and Tax Mans greedy fee they put on top - robbery) About every second or third tobacconists here in Australia does that under the counter and its been going on like that for years now. So I can assure you that there are many tens of thousands of people here in Australia who only ever been smoking tobacco in its natural state and have gotten cancer and died. Edward Member Post Number: 1023 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 07:29 am:        Hi Trevor..... I can understand your point of view, but of course one can obtain Cancer these days by smoking it in a Natural State; I mentioned that the Indians and others in those days barely obtained Cancer..because they lived a more Healthier life than we do today.[no overpopulation, no European illnesses...etc...etc..or Leech like life] If someone would obtain Cancer today through Natural State, it is because they are not living a Healthy life or are just - Chain Smokers -(including your mentioned Australians). Thus, I can understand the 3rd world aspects of this; they are in many cases POOR...and Poor in Health; and thus, very easy susceptible! But I can assure you, that there is indeed, a link between the Flavoring which also contain Addiction Factors, as well as Cancer generators! If this were not true, the acquaintance...would have never said, it was so. His, information was also backed-up by many other researchers in those days, as I have read myself, as well as seen in documentaries! The mentioned has an 'Accelerator Factor' Well I know the difference between smoking tabasco in a Natural State as well as the Flavoring brands: because, I use to smoke, myself! There IS a Great Difference! I guess, your Taste Buds do not function anymore as they should, do to 'oversmoking' damaging! Which destroys their functioning capabilities.[drinks do not taste as they should, foods does not tastes as they should....etc....etc.] Am glad I stopped smoking! Can tastes foods and drinks much and much more better...these day.... Well, everyone their opinion! I will not say: 'you are terribly wrong' because I leave everyone in their Value, as we all should do. Pleasant Smoking.... Edward. Edward Member Post Number: 1024 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 08:07 am:        Hi AG.... Well, I guess, we all have our own views on that. If you do more research into what the Plejarans have to say, you may perhaps understand what they mean!? We must keep in mind, that their Truths are based on the Function of the Spirit...in unison with the human Body. But, you will have to read/study more what they have to say, concerning this subject. It is TOO LONG for me to explain it all to you. I would rather you find out for yourself, than you can gradually understand and comprehend it at Firsthand. No, we do not take everything the Plejarans as or Billy, in a Religious way! We have the freedom to think, and to accept it or not. The same would apply to to days doctors; whom have been in many cases WRONG in there theories and diagnoses, as many of us many know. I myself have encountered individuals that only listen to what the/their doctor has to say, in a most Religious way, which I find disturbing at times. But, I stand open: they can be WRONG, also. And sometimes not.[even this week 26 patients died of a wrong diagnosis, and medication, here; and it seems through the years, numbers have risen increasingly...in all aspects: do to following the doctors Religiously!] But, the fact is: that these days...the Doctors have to be followed - Religiously -, which, again, is not the case with what we encounter with the Plejarens. They still give us our OWN thoughts of the matters. They give us their diagnoses, from many many centuries and even many many Millions of years Experience, and studying there own peoples as well as us, here on Earth; we are linked to them...in ancestry. But again; the today's science and all related as well as the physicians concerning, are still at a very primitive state of discovering certain matters ...and remedying them...in comparison with the Plejarans. Thus, the mentioned do have to Evolve to a much Higher State of being to fully understand and comprehend the facts as they truly are. I can understand that many do not understand what the Plejarans mean, including the medical side of the spectrum. This is do, to the Lower Evolution state of the humans, concerning. But, still: today's medicine and what ever others should always go hand-in-hand. Even if it means to heal/remedy any types of Cancers. We live in a time that practically...Anything...can cause Cancer! And this, we must take heed to; as the Plejarans and Billy make known to us all. Pleasant Healing.... Edward. Cancerdoc Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2007 Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 12:40 pm:        "I have even read in the past that Indians of America NEVER obtained Lung Cancer, as we know today. It is because the Indians and even the Africans and in other parts of the world smoked the tobacco plant: In it's NATURAL state! And even lived a much more Healthier life, than today. In the turn of the century, tobacco acquired a process called: Flavoring (Sausen, in Dutch); which has to do with the Taste, and mixtures as well as Conserve substance....etc.: which are Cancer generators. This information I obtained from a friend many dacades ago whom worked at Pall Mall, here in the Netherlands." This is a statement that I am confident Billy would refer to as "NEW AGE NONSENSE." Don't believe everything you hear or read. We may not have all the answers, but certainly neither do you. Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 378 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 04:52 pm:        speaking of doctors and disease, years ago i decided to turn my back on doctors. good riddance, i feel great, no disease no problems. all they have ever done is fill my head with paranoid thoughts and drained my wallet. conciousness is the most powerfull medecine, no doubt about it. doctors (although some mean well) are a danger to health. just look at the health care system in canada, it is criminal to call it health care, for so many are sick and no one cares. and the doctors are well off. hats off to the few who really care for all their patients. being a doctor isnt a job it's a way of life, some dont understand that. what a great health care system we would have if that was a widespread realization. Cancerdoc Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 11-2007 Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 09:16 pm:        Dear Markc, Thanks for your thoughts...those concepts are well taken. I understand that there is much more behind initial appearances (i.e. isolated statements like the aforementioned by Semjase)that may take on new meanings as knowledge is gained....which certainly may be the case with me. Edward please dont mind my truthful yet not as tactful last post. Regards,AG Best, AG Trevor Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 11:48 pm:        Hi AG and Edward, AG I doubt very much that Billy would say the flavoring and preservative agent put into tobacco which supposedly causes cancer is "NEW AGE NONSENSE" as you say there. I think I seen the same documentary that Edward just said he saw there. The amount of chemicals the tobacco companies put in cigarettes is unbelievable. Some are even for the specific reason of getting consumers addicted. The documentary went thouroghly in detail through all or most of the chemicals used and most were cancer causing. That is true because it is simple science and known. But the truth is that smoking tobacco in its natural state can still or will cause cancer. Cancerdoc Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 11-2007 Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 03:22 am:        Dear Trevor, I copied the statement that you initially quoted and included the second part (flavoring, etc) without realizing it. I was referring to the statement about American Indians NEVER getting cancer because of this reason or that reason. I accept that the natural state of tobacco is a contributor to cancer development. Sorry bout that. AG Edward Member Post Number: 1028 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 05:50 am:        Hi Marc.... Nice to see you on the board! Yes, very interesting input you have there. Which I would agree with. Well, some way or another, my thoughts would encounter it in this manner: We are all a Spark of Creation, and we know that Creation is The Truth. Billy, explains these Facts through his writings he brings forth to us, anew. When, in our Material Body, if we do not live in accordance with Creation, this can generate Consequences within our Spirit-form. Which will than, react in a manner of an 'Effect', do to the Cause, of not living in unison with the Laws of Nature and Creation. This will build a sort of 'unstableness', which then will express itself within the Material Body, in the format of a disease. And it can even go beyond that, in a mush more extreme manner, if you will, in generating some sort of Cancer type. The Body, is just becoming 'Corrupt', if you will. Thus, The Creation(al Spark) within us, will just generate a - Defense - mechanism(Consequence related), if you like. And take the appropriate steps...to see that it(Spirit-form/consciousness) will not Decay, through the Acts of the concerning human being. Thus, the above would be aligned with your concepts. It is known, that certain Religious groups have Cancer in the extreme format; and these groups are in most cases related to being the Core Instigator of the Cult Religious Clashes we are in today. Thus, their Consequences - Cause and Effect scenario is still in Effect, I guess, till they finally Open their eyes to the Facts of Life as they Truly are: within the Concepts of the Laws Of Nature and The Creation. And even other Cult Religious groups associated with this Core Instigator group, like-wise have the same Effect, as result: a Domino Effect has manifested itself. Thus, Cult Religion, in a most Extreme format - occupied by the Lies within it's Self - are even the main generators to a form of Cancer; a main Factor. If Man lived his life in accordance with the Creational Laws, adapting this into his Material Body(in unison with his Spirit) the above mentioned would not...manifest itself. Thus, the above mentioned, is just a Natural manifestation - Reaction - of the Creational Spirit Forces/Powers within the Spirit-form in unison with The Creation, it exists in. It was even once televised, that the offspring of the mentioned Cult Religious Groups, report to their home physicians and have themselves checked every year...for any type of Cancers. Thus, Which I though, has some way Confirmed itself, through the televised announcement. It was a television program previewing, in this episode, Cancer. Edward. Edward Member Post Number: 1029 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 06:00 am:        Hi Trevor and AG.... Trevor: Thank you for your thoughtfulness, and understanding! AG: it is...OK. Well, we all have a 'common' enemy which is Cancer, not? And which we must try and find a Cure for. Edward. Edward Member Post Number: 1030 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 06:19 am:        Hi Peter.... Yes, I try and resolve any type of body aliment/disease by myself, also. I only go to a doctor if it really is something urgent. I have learned through the years to take good care of myself: By...Myself. Example: Billy mentioned he had joint problems(arthritis), and he mentioned his knee, and I have the same as he, and Billy said it is best to do as Less walking, as One can. And what did my doctor say: Edward, you should just do as Much walking as you can! Which in turn I told him: I cant not do that because it will only hurt even more; and than, can not practically walk or even stand up! Then the doctor said: than perhaps you must be operated, on. Which I refused! So, after this and some other incidents, I try and remedy myself. So, when I walk or bicycle, I make sure I wear an elastic knee band, which helps a great deal, I have to say; like-wise with my elbow(elastic band). Edward. Trevor Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 06:22 am:        "Pleasant Smoking...." I didn't think that was very funny Edward. I have been trying to stop for a long time now and I am not happy with myself that I am still a smoker. Cancerdoc Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 11-2007 Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 07:13 am:        Dear Peter, Unfortunately you are one of many who feel that way in many countries where the health care system is not perfect and people suffer while physicians and drug companies seemingly line their pockets. This is a very big issue all over the world and generates tremendous debate within each respective field of medicine and outside of the field. Of course I can't speak for all physicians, but I hope you continue to have great health. If by chance you need to see a physician in the future, I hope its a good one. Best,AG Syn Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 04-2007 Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 09:30 am:        i was reading the book called "More natural cures" by kevin trudeau. he mentions that coral calcium helps speeds up the healing process or curing i should say for cancer or most types of cancer. i was wondering if this sprung any truth to what he says or is he actually a snake oil man? They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey Edward Member Post Number: 1031 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 10:08 am:        Hi Trevor.... No, it was not meant to be funny... As you may have noticed, I tend to say - Pleasant Studying - if someone is new, or still researching Billy's materials. In your case, our subject was Smoking, and thus, I just closed off...with - Pleasant Smoking -. Had further no satiric meaning, or so. Well, just give it a good try...your stop smoking? I guess, if One is much older it may indeed be very difficult to stop. My father had to stop, after a heart operation. And he is in the mid 80ties. Very Tough man, he is. Edward. Cancerdoc Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 11-2007 Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 12:05 pm:        There is a lot of discussion on the subject of cancer with a lot of "definitive" speech in the form of instructing and teaching. Anything you read or hear (and there is no shortage of information and disinformation out there) needs to be analyzed for its veracity and not taken for its word alone, NO MATTER WHO OR WHERE YOU READ IT, otherwise you will undoubtedly be lead astray in this particular arena. References are important and widespread generalizations are likely to be an oversimplification of what is actually true. Hundreds of thousands of people, of all evolutionary developments, have devoted their lives to the study of this disease. I would encourage you to look up information on the website "www.pubmed.com." This database is the cardinal source for all literature in all areas of science and the humanities and is used primarily all around the world, spanning all world-views. There are thousands of journals, some devoted only to natural products and their effects on cancer and some devoted to the molecular aspects only and everything in the middle. Do your own due diligence if you are interested. We know that creation is currently impossible for us to truly comprehend at this time and from that premise the true answers are likely complex and multifactorial. Of course the material from the Plejaren and Billy is a whole different ballgame, but in my experience so far, the earthly knowledge (which is progressing quite rapidly) and information gleaned from the Plejaren and related Meier documents are not mutually exclusive in their message but rather synergistic. This, I believe, was also confirmed by Billy himself in his answers to questions section. I hope it doesnt offend anyone who feels they must get in the last word. Warm regards, AG Trevor Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 05-2007 Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 03:20 pm:        Hi AG, The thought had actually crossed my mind that might have been what you meant there and was accidently not intended as it appeared to sound because if what your profession is. I guess I should have queried you first if thats what you meant there. Hi Edward, I see what you mean now. Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 379 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 05:12 pm:        hello edward and AG edward, i too know the misfortunes of knee injury, my carelessness caused me to smash my knee hard on concrete. painful indeed. i thought if i went to the doctor they would tell me to get surgery, to hell with that. i decided that i see no reason why my knee injury will be longterm, and so today 4 years later, all is well. doctors are in part, a disease. your son gets hit by a car and right of the bat they will tell you he will never walk again etc etc, and how many times did one walk after such a diagnosis. just saying that to someone will fill them with fear, it is abuse. same with people with diseases and cancers etc, they are told percentages, rather than supported through encouragement and positivity. AG, well thanks for your well wishes i have lived my life never worrying about breaking a bone or getting a disease, and in the back of my mind i have this strange feeling like i'll be alright. i think everybody should focus on what great things they will do, what diseases they will cure, rather than worrying about the diseases they could possibly get.

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