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Edward
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Post Number: 975
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 01:11 am: | 
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Hi Bob....
Well, maybe one day you will get there, where I have been, and may perhaps
understand what I mean?? Like Billy said many times: people can be ignorant to
some knowledge due, to them not having to had experience it yet: have not
been there yet. Which I fully agree.
I think you may still have to study what Billy had to say concerning the
Control of One's dreams and its relations to our daily life....etc.
I am quite aware of the vision and dream Distinction.
Perhaps one day you will know what I mean??
Pleasant Studying....
Edward. |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 180
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 07:11 am: |
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Edward: "I think you may still have to study what Billy had to say concerning the
Control of One's dreams and its relations to our daily life....etc."
Perhaps you can share a little of what Billy had to say about it. Perhaps there is a misunderstanding centered around the use of the word "control".
Regards
Bob |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 50
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 10:54 am: |
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HELLO PHI_SPIRAL,
And Warmest Greetings to ALL,
Just a short comment regarding your idea of "control" in the dream state.
{Note to Edward: You have indeed given proper direction, to study that which Billy has to say on he matter.}
Bob: The LUCID dream state is accomplished when you become conscious within the dream that you ARE dreaming. When this consciousness is achieved, THEN one may direct the DIRECTION of the dream. In this state, one may choose to engage in dialogue with more advanced spirits; seek interaction with loved ones; seek for wisdom and guidance during the dream for the "awake" state of "normal" life. These are worthy goals, which anyone can achieve with practice.
As to the meditation practice, this should NOT be directed in this same manner. For the meditation, it is necessary to quiet the internal dialogue, in order to receive/balance the energy and vision which results.
If you are considering the meditation as projecting healing energy, or reaching out to some particular person, etc., then you are more engaged in telepathy than meditation.
Salome
Let Our LOVE show in all actions,
J_rod7
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Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 181
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 12:49 pm: |
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Hi, Edward
I have read several books on dreaming, primarily focused on dream interpretation, and I have kept a dream diary for many years. My analysis of those dreams by myself and another person who is quite better at it than I, has been an insightful and rewarding experience. I am also familiar with lucid dreaming and have experienced a few lucid dreams myself. And I have had a number of pre-cognitive dreams that have come true.
But I have found there is a difference of opinion within the “community of dreamers,” if one can call them such, as to the value of controlling the direction of the dream. There is one school of thought that if you have a re-occurring dream that is troubling you, you should try to consciously direct the dream to a happy or at least satisfactory conclusion, and by doing so, you’ve solved whatever problem is going on with you. This can be likened to treating the symptoms of a disease and not the cause of the disease. And this is what I took you to mean when you referred to “controlling” a dream. If I am incorrect as to what you meant, then please correct me.
Then there is another school of thought, that within a lucid dream you should not seek to control it but to remain in a state of heightened awareness so that you may better remember and carry the dream’s details and your emotional response into the awakened state. This way, you can deal with the troubling issue more acutely, because more often than not, it is something that needs to change or be modified in your day-to-day life; an issue that needs to be resolved with a loved one; or a correction to a life-choice path. In other words, you treat the cause. This latter school of thought is what I find more consistent with Meir’s teachings - that being to bring your problems to the forefront and deal with them acutely.
If one could affect life’s events by controlling the outcome of a dream, then Billy could have entered his assassination dream and have his potential assassin turn and walk away rather than pull the trigger. Which is not what happened.
Hello, J_rod7
I doubt that you are engaging in dialogue with higher spirits in the sleep state. If you are experiencing that, then I might suggest they may be aspects of your own self.
Kind regards,
Bob |
The_original_dave
Member
Post Number: 153
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 02:04 pm: |
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Jrod quote,
In this state, you now have CONSCIOUS control of your dream. Something interesting you could then try, is to seek advanced spirits. Ask THEM for guidance, for intuitive assistance in your awake life. I would be very interested in your experience in this, if you would choose to share.?.!
Dear Jrod, how can these advanced spirits give us usefull guidance in dreams when they are all characters made up by our imagination. The advice these spirits give us will basically be our own advice/guidance right. So what's the need to go out and search for it in the dream world.
By the way, how does it feel to control ones dreams. I am also starting to practice controlling my dreams, I'm trying out the suggestions/instructions you gave us.
Salome
David |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 51
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 02:46 pm: |
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Hi Phi_Spiral,
As it is so that all of us "individual" spirits, embodied as human beings, are but "splinter" manifestations of Creation itself, then of course any advanced spirit we meet or speak with is also a manifestation of our "own" spirit in the Oneness of All-That-Is = The Creation.
This may be likened to a Brilliant Cut Diamond = each facet of the diamond is an aspect expression of the One Diamond.
Multiply the number of facets (aspects) by an infinite number of expressions, colors, energy vibrations = it is still the One Diamond = The One Creation.
Happy Dreams.
Salome
Let Our LOVE show in all actions,
J_rod7
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 1007
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 07:42 am: |
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Hi Savio and All....
I thought to put this posting, here.
Savio, you mentioned the Spherical Craft, and which Billy even made usage of.
I just want to tell about a dream or vision, if you will, that I once had back
in the 70ties.
I was, all of a sudden very Conscious, that I was standing in a very beautiful
green field of grass, with very beautiful sunny weather. I was just standing
there. For what, I did not really know, but I knew...I was there for
'something'.
Then, when I looked up into the sunny sky, I noticed about some 4-5 objects
descending very slowly, down towards me. Then, I thought: Ah-Ha! That was it!
Slowly, I could make out that they were white Spherical Crafts, with red
rimmed portholes, and quite small in size, for ONE person, only. They were
about, 1,80-2,00 metres in diameter, perhaps; just large enough for one person
to take place in.
When all the Spherical Crafts touched down on the green grass, they all opened
up a round door-opening, and human beings stepped out and walked up to me.
They were all human looking, and wore some sort of overall, no helmet to be
seen. They were men as well as women(men had half long hair, to over the
shoulders and women, way over their shoulders; both dark blond to very dark
hair).
They walked up to me, and greeted me, and I greeted back. Someone then told me, that I will take a journey with them in one of those Spherical Crafts. And I reacted with: but....I do not know how to fly such a craft; have never done it before! Than, one of the women said: do not worry, just step in your Sphere and we will do the rest.
So, the individuals, went to their crafts, and I hesitated to step in mine,
but they insisted me to: Get In! So, I got in!
So, a round opening opened...and I should see it was very white inside and
there was one padded chair which I slowly took place in. It felt, very very
comfortable. Very soft. Then, I yelled: what do I do now? Then someone said:
just sit back, we will do the rest. As I sat back to relax, and than looked
out of one of the port holes, I was shocked to see, that we/I were already
high above the clouds! So, that is when I held on very very tightly!
Then, I heard a voice saying, that I should not worry, and that I am being
taken to some place with them all.
We flew for some minutes, and before I knew it, we were hovering above some
town or something, which was in the USA. In the country somewhere. And I
could see people walking around on the grass field. Seems they were looking for
something. Then, our Spherical Crafts descended very very slowly...till we all
touched down.
I could see, from my port hole, that the people were walking around us. And
it seemed, that they could not see us!? Then, someone said, that they can not
see us...because we are invisible for them! 'OK,' I said.
It seems, that all the time...when we communicated, the individuals and me, it
happen through - telepathy -. I could not see any type of communication
devices in the craft, what so ever! I became very very conscious of this,
during this experience. Than, before I know it, the experience slowly faded
away. And I woke up!
I just want to make clear, with this experience: the Spherical Crafts, which I
experienced, was similar to that of what Billy utilized during some of his
contacts. Very astonishing, I find this. And this experience, was way before I
ever read that Billy had even flown in such (one person) Spherical Craft!
I though, to share this experience with whom ever may have interest. Truly, a
remarkable experience for me. And - so close - with similarity to Billy and
the Plejaran's one-man craft.
Astonishing...link!
Edward. |
Savio
Senior Member
Post Number: 589
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 11:35 pm: |
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Hi Edward
Thanks for sharing your wonderful dream, it is so real 
As for Billy using these Spherical Craft, is there any witness? Or, during which contacts?
Salome
Savio |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1008
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 05:40 am: |
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Hi Savio....
Always a pleasure to share with you, dear good friend...
If my memory serves me well: there was a witness or more(Billy was driven
there, by car). I think Billy was taken to a contact point, and then had to go
into the woods, and there he could step into the Spherical craft. And the ones
in the car could see the Sphere flash away in the sky. I think it was in day
time as well as at night time? I can not recall which contact, dear fiend,
alas.
Edward. |
Savio
Senior Member
Post Number: 590
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 12:59 am: |
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Hi Edward
Thanks so much for the information
It seems it was a deliberate show-off and/or for the interest of the witnesses, else they would have used "Beam-up" 
Salome
Savio |
Cpl
Member
Post Number: 345
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 09, 2008 - 12:33 am: |
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Hi,
Had the following premonition dream 1 Feb. 2008
Cyclone Causing Extensive Flooding on the Way for Australia (Darwin)?
I was in a western or civilized city or large town. The house I was in was either a little dilapidated, in a state of being repaired or needing repair. It wasn’t ramshackle just in need of some touching up to protect from the elements. I and presumably the family (not really my own) were inside when it began to rain. At first all was well. Then water began dripping in through the roof or ceiling. The rain became heavier and the leak opened up letting more water flow into the house. I saw a bright flash of lightning and the rain was now coming down in torrents as the wind picked up.
Going outside I felt the wind raging fiercely whipping odd little things up and I instinctively made for a little bridge wall to stoop under for protection against the wind that threatened to blow me away.
I looked out over the scene and noticed the terrain was flat – this was flat country with no hills in sight. There were some rather modern buildings around but nothing fancy and no really tall buildings that I could see. As I watched the wind was whipping up the wet surfaces and sending the top water into the air. The straight road I was looking down on before me was waterlogged. Then I saw a low wave of water coming along the road and over the other ground (possibly half fields and half residences). The place had a building density very reminiscent of Australia’s. Perhaps I was in Australia.
I realized the water level was going to rise and be dangerous so started searching for any way I could get higher up. This was very difficult as the land was/is flat. I saw some short little iron steps leading up to a kind of pre-fab office or building and made my way up the steps to be about 1.5M above the already waterlogged road. More waves came in on top of the others. The water level was rising quickly and dangerously. “Had a river burst its banks? Is it a tsunami? Maybe the water level is rising due to the hurricane or cyclone?” I wondered, though I couldn’t see any sea.
Next scene I was looking down on the road from about 4M up and saw the storm was quiet and so was the water; but trucks and cars could be seen lying beneath the water along the road. The trucks were under water up to about their windscreen or halfway over it. I reckoned the road was flooded with 2-3M of water together with the surrounding landscape.
I left the scene somehow. Think I was still looking for higher ground. While walking along on slightly higher ground that was not waterlogged or flooded, I noticed a shop or office with fancy clothes on dummies in the windows. It looked like the costumes were for rent or hire, for models, or acting purposes. I wasn’t quite sure what exactly. I saw a young, rather attractive woman in office through the window and went inside. There were about 3 or 4 young ladies there. They seemed like models or actresses; no one famous or stunning, just attractive and they seemed to be working in or for the office there.
Next I was out back behind the office. It wasn’t a built up area and there might have been a garden, trees and shrubs, or some relaxation area or something. I couldn’t tell exactly as I was looking at the young lady who was also looking my way. “I know you.” She said, and I smiled. She then walked towards me and I thought we were going to talk when she passed by me to meet the young girl just behind me. They talked and laughed a bit, cheerfully as young ones do, as they went outside. She seemed about 20ish and fairly typical of a young Australian woman. I woke up.
I would guess this location was in Australia somewhere, though it was difficult to pin down. It could have been in a smaller city or larger town anywhere in the West: New Zealand, the US, Canada, England. The people here were white Caucasians and the country was very flat and not crowded at all. It seemed like Australia.
While recounting this dream to a friend yesterday he asked me, “When does the cyclone season begin in Australia?” “Oh, my goodness, I think it’s about to start!” I replied.
Checking on the Internet for the Aussie cyclone season I see there is an “Increased cyclone risk in the northwest over coming months” especially in the next 2-4 weeks according to the Australian government Bureau of Meteorology issued 31 Jan 2008. Please be ready in Australia! I didn’t see anyone die or dead, so maybe no one has to if all precautions are taken. Darwin is flat country and the size of the buildings, their density, and the city size would fit my dream. There is IMO severe danger of damage to property in the form of houses, flats, buildings, roads and bridges, and especially cars and trucks.
Please take very seriously this government announcement and be ready for possible high flooding in addition to unusually high wind velocities:
“It is important that people recheck their cyclone preparations and contact the State Emergency Service if they have any doubts about their readiness”, Mr Burton added.
Tropical cyclone outlook for the remainder of the season:
• Significant risk of a severe cyclone coastal impact during the remainder of the season
• There is a high chance of a tropical cyclone forming in the region by the middle of February
• There is a likelihood of at least two more cyclones in the region before the end of the season.
See link: http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/wa/cyclone/seasonal/
Email: sevwx_wa@bom.gov.au
Take care in Australia! I’m flying down there in mid-March so I hope we don’t run into any cyclones too.
Chris |
Stafath
New member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 01:04 pm: |
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Hello everyone!
I also have a interesting case about the dreams ..well first of all I haven't read EVERYTHING here yet but I will (most of them). Ok now the thing what I wanted to tell.
I've seen my future in couple of times in dreams and these days starting be a crazy deja-vu.
That's not all - Last year I saw two different dreams about lots of UFOs flying over everything on ground and THAT is a dream for me what I suspect happening sometimes in the future for REAL. And I'm exicted ..so exicted that heart starts to beat rapidly.
Could be fun to try ACTUALLY controlling what you'll be seeing in the dream/future. |
Incredible
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Post Number: 133
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 04:49 pm: |
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The dream of the future are real because my brother had some.
But... the dream of the future where you saw UFO maybe is a dream of our future world, when our descendants have "ufos"
If we not extinguish first.
Because the extinction of our life form is certain in a 90% and nobody will run to help us, because that extinction is due to our behavior.
"we born to die and we die to born"
"Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her"
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Marksmanr
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 09:51 pm: |
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I haven't read much of this thread yet, but I would like to say that I also have dreams of the future. I get them almost every night. And I also have had multiple dreams about UFOs.
Once, which was about a month ago now, I went to bed one night and I concentrated on something about Halo 3 (an xbox 360 game), and I let myself go into a very deep state (and I don't know what it is, but I felt a warmth over my body) and I started to pick up on a peak in my psyche that I will have had in a few days while playing Halo 3 and I could see me getting a really good Overkill on a map called Last Resort. I was 100% awake when I did this, and a few days later, I played Halo 3 and it happened. I even recorded it and can show yous the overkill if yous want.
I used to play videogames a pretty lot, but I don't play them anymore and that one time a month ago was an occasion. |
Trevor
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Post Number: 36
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 11:10 pm: |
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Sorry but I am very skeptical of people being able to have dreams of the future(well not yet anyway), unless they of coarse Billy. How can you tell if a dream you are having is a dream of the future and not just a dream? If it happens can it not be just co-incedental. |
Stafath
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 03:14 am: |
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Incredible.
The the dreams what I saw about UFOs wasn't about the future world because in the dream I saw stuff on ground what exists today on earth (city, streets, street lamps, buildings. etc).
Trevor.
From what I can tell is that I have somekind of sense for dreams what I have seen. For nonsense (where things happen unlogically like stuff just poping out from nowhere) kind of dream I can CLEARLY tell that it was just my imagination while sleeping and for sense making (where things happen logically) dreams I start to feel that It'll be happening sometimes soon, in otherwords I start to feel wierd in every place of my body. |
Incredible
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Post Number: 134
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 08:21 am: |
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It's impossible to know if a dream is about the future. The only way to know is that in the future happen exactly what you dreamed
"we born to die and we die to born"
"Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her"
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Marksmanr
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 01:02 pm: |
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Every dream of the future I've ever had are all in 1st person, and everything I am thinking, seeing, feeling, hearing etc. in the dream is exactly how it is when the future event occurs. A lot of dreams of the future I have I forget, just like I forget a lot of dreams, and this makes me experience dejaveau when the event occurs - and in which I instantly remember the dream of the future I had of the event. But I too have fully remembered dreams of the future, and multiple times have anticipated the event to occur, in which it eventually did - exactly as in my dream.
The first time I confirmed in my mind that I have dreams of the future was when I was 8: I had a dream of me walking downstairs to the living room, it was the afternoon, and I saw my brother show me a picture he drew with crayons of a house. When I woke up I clearly had the dream still in my memory, and I knew it was a dream of the future because I could distinguish between normal dreams and dreams of the future because this was not the 1st time I had ever had a dream of the future.
Anyway, I think it was either 2 or 3 days later, the event occured. I walked downstairs, saw the picture my brother drew, and everything that happened, I saw, heard, was thinking etc. was exactly as in the dream I had had.
And as for dreams about UFOs: I have in fact had many dreams about UFOs but they're all just dreams. No dreams of the future about UFOs. However, I have had 1 very symbolic (I think that's the word) dream about E.Ts and a UFO which I won't bother to talk about - atleast not right now. |
Stafath
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 04:04 pm: |
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I'm not that sure of the "Impossibilty" of it yet.
And its rare case when I see a dream about something what makes me feel like it happens ..or just plain wierd. |
Trevor
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Post Number: 38
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 04:08 pm: |
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Apart from Billy and few others like Edgar Cayce, I think it be a long time before good number of others (like us, normal people) be able to have dreams of the future. Thats the impression I got when I heard Billy talk about it in The Silent Revolution Of Truth film.
Sorry but I don't buy it when I read few people here in this past thread say that they had A (one,two) dream of the future. To me that would fall under co-incedental.
Billy and Edgar have dreams of the future all the time. Thats proof, not one or two dreams. |
Trevor
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Post Number: 39
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 04:22 pm: |
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Seems like people would have to be highly spiritually evolved to do that is what I gathered when Billy spoke about it. He said it had to do more with spiritual conscious powers then just having a dream. |
Marksmanr
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 09:55 pm: |
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From all my experiences and knowledge, I have acknowledged that I very possibly/likely am more spiritually evolved than most people on Earth. Not that I think of myself as different or anything to everyone else though.
There is a lot of things I could say about myself and experiences I have, which are considerably extreme things, but I don't want to say much or anything though because I don't think I can explain what I would say properly.
It's just that I can't share any of what I would like to share with anyone I know personally, because no-one I know would understand or react well. It is good that I have found out about Billy Meier and FIGU though. I think I would still be lost and currently searching if I hadn't found out about everything related to this. |
Cpl
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Post Number: 348
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 11:24 pm: |
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Hi Trevor,
I can only really say that you know a dream is of the future when it happens. There are varying degrees of these, however, and it is a very difficult field fraught with the danger of incorrect interpretation. I've had so many that I no longer doubt, though I did at first. When you know you have to move the next day suddenly and have no idea where you are going to go, and then in a dream that night you see the street and numbered address of the place you end up in the next day and many other details too that you have never seen before, some of which transpire even after moving in, it would be only the inflexible mind incapable of adjusting to what is actually real that can deny having had the experience.
The experience is far more common than you suppose, and Billy has indeed said that others can and do have this "ability". I can and do certainly testify to this. I don't think it requires one to be highly spiritually evolved (whatever that means) in order to have these. One Japanese student I taught had these in number on an almost daily basis, which always disturbed her because of the suffering of others she saw. She was quite an ordinary, but very nice, person with no interest in spiritual matters. There might be a danger in thinking that Billy is the only highly spiritually evolved person -- as opposed to the most spiritually evolved. Who, leaving Billy out of it, can really see or know the nature of each person's spirit among us? You might be meeting or speaking with spiritually evolved people and not know it -- even be one oneself and not know it. This is why IMO it is inadvisable to think much about highly evolved spiritual people. It's a kind of judgmental attitude (for want of a better term) that is partly responsible for the Indian caste system, where everyone ends up ranked. We all have the spirit of Creation/Source within, and that is what is important together with how well one lives ones life from day to day in our interactions with others and the world. This is what requires our attention. Thinking about who is and who isn't spiritually evolved is IMO largely redundant. If someone finds someone they think is spiritually evolved there is a tendency to acquiesce to and follow that person. This can lead to laziness or forgoing the development of ones own understanding, spiritual and otherwise, through ones own efforts. The world could do with less people trying to ride to a higher spiritual level on the coattails of another -- and most of them do not realize they do it. As you probably know it is only ever by ones own efforts alone that spiritual progress is made; and it is often when realizing there is no one who can really give one the answers so that one can know that one really starts to put forward the effort oneself.
I remember reading or hearing at a speech (don't recall which it was so long ago) Dr Suzuki, a Japanese Zen master, saying that he had no doubt there were many spiritually advanced people walking around the streets. One just cannot assume that others are not spiritually evolved -- or that they are.
I have just published a seminal paper on these types of dreams which I refer to as "visionary semiotics": the images seen in dream or vision that represent a future. It is a field that I am convinced will grow more common, and of increasing general interest and importance, coupled with scientific research later in this century, and, of course, far into the future.
Different people seem to have different abilities. Some can sense finer vibrations from objects while others dream of the future e.g. My dreams seem to be almost invariably about the weather or natural disasters, though others also sometimes occur. Maybe I'm some kind of human weather vane. We are all affected by the weather and moon cycles. It is quite logical that coming weather could register in some people's minds. Other visionary semiotics, non weather related, are, however, in need of deeper investigation to explain on a scientific basis.
When one realizes the remarkable is plausible it becomes possible for oneself too, but rarely if ever before.
Best,
Chris
PS. BTW there was a very strong cyclone in the NW of Australia last week causing tourists to be evacuated. I've seen no pictures and so cannot comment on whether this was what I saw previously. |
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