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    Melli Member Post Number: 173 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hello, Naturally since Billy's is so incredibly busy maybe Christian would be able to help me and anybody else please do. I was wondering about the polygamy issue and man/woman relationships amongst the Plejarens. I still cannot understand how having a number of wives is a positive outcome, if this is a perogative, would it not create a need/desire to procreate which would create 'half' related siblings because as I understand it, it is a natural Creational law to create life and it is in complete harmony with Creation primarily because the female of ALL the species can give life. Unless... there is no such thing as what we call "ownership" of a woman/wife symbolized by a wedding and wearing of a ring? Eventhough there exist a complete harmony and mutual understanding between the women and one man how do women's issues in particular come to be resolved? do they have their own women's leaders? also I would like to know how do the Plejaren women deal with the physical birth of a child? is the father encouraged to be present at such a remarkable time or is it women's domain only? but then why should it be? it's the natural outcome of the Creation of life. (I am thinking out loud)And I also understand that eventhough a man and a woman are so very different naturally they are indeed ONE and part of a universal consciousness as they are compatible and live a harmonious life. Here on Earth men speak of 'manly' issues and women speak and behave according to women's issues and ignorantly still follow man's rules obediently. But in the Dern universe both gendre's spiritual and material life coexist in perfect harmony and unisom whereas here on earth men still hold onto power and have invented the pseudo Feminism by which women in their foolishness and retarded wit 'follow', so how and when will women begin to think and learn otherwise? I just had an idea which leads me to a plausible answer to my own question if only partly: I think that we will ALL begin to change when men of science will cease the current delibrately malicious genetic manipulation particularly of the female endocrine system. Plausible? I think so because the Womb of Creation is ONE universal entity. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Milli, You raise some interesting questions about a man and a woman and more importantly their relationship to their children. It sounds like you're working them out as well. Please view my comments in the same light and please... anyone else that may know more information about Plejaren relationships between a man and a woman to please participate. It is my awareness that many woman are more intelligent than men. They follow not because they are retarded or foolish but to promote harmony for each other and the family which is smart. Not being an expert on the Plejaren lifestyles my comments are limited to Quetzel, who has four wives. Each of them live in separate spherical homes, have their own land and he lives alone. He apparently spends his time equally with each wife. They do not get married until seventy years of age and some people do not get married at all. Since it is said the Human cannot know love, the love they have is most likely unconditional. Without conditions. Without ownership or illogical expectations. With respect. Respect to the children is equally important part and we have to curb our passion accordingly as not to bring an innocent child into a difficult life. Since the Plejaren people are many, many years advanced spiritually compared to us... the importance of maintaining what their planet Erra can accomodate; they know from millions of years of spiritual evolution they have to limit their population to maintain peace. Could this be a core reason Plejaren men and women and huge numbers of people within their Federation coexist harmoniously? Ownership is a materialistic point of view involving people entrenched with a monetary system. It seems logical that since the Plejaren people do not have a monetary system and do not think in terms of "owning" a thing or another human being... it is a foreign concept to them. Semejase mentioned we are truly spiritual people...with spiritual evolution constantly evolving within the Schopfung (Universal Consciousness) it will become more and more obvious to us... as we advance consciously. Eventually with concentrated effort we will learn how to interact and coexist peacefully. So the sex of the material form will have less and less importance (I.E. "manly"/ "woman's" issues)will have been worked out by that time. We are lucky to have folks who care enough to help us along... Looking from the point of view that, we all contain a segment of Creation within... in that respect... we are one... makes for mutual harmony as well. It is YOUR endocrine system so do not use chemical manipulation of it. Billy tells us to logically think about what we are doing, look at the bigger picture and change your life accordingly. There are ways to enjoy your life with equal passion without creating a child every time, it involves wisdom and thoughtful dicipline. The birth of a child is a remarkable event and anyone... including the Plejaren most likely love participating in what is a part of Creation in action. Tschüs... Love to all... rarena τΏτ Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronunciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 12-2005 |
Hello Melli, What is most interesting for me is that the nature of man demands, first, relationships with people and also romantic relations - FROM A PSYCHOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE! This can also be said for productive work, which holds the implicit premise of evolution - again, from a psychological perspective(this premise of evolution is also present in the case of human relations, however in a difference sense). For me this is the clearest indication that underlying mans existence are some unknown, driving powers - that is, on this base I can conceive the possible existence of a 'spirit' and a 'Creation'(as defined by Mr.Meier). This is my interest in the Meier case, this possibility - for those who have been wondering, what are my purposes on this forum. As to your question, I am unable to answer it - however I would like to suggest some questions, to the same effect, for discussion here or/and to forward to Mr.Meier: 1 - What is the role of a romantic relationship in mans life. 2 - What is the psychology(of man) of romantic love. On this base I think it will be possible to begin to form an answer. Btw, may I ask you what you mean when you say(or to a reference to this information): "...genetic manipulation particularly of the female endocrine system." ------------------------------------ Kiril | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 12-2005 |
Rarena, I have voted your post 1 star for the following reasons, in brief, since discussions of the reasons does not belong to this thread: 1 - "Ownership is a materialistic point of view involving people entrenched with a monetary system" So that means that if I come to your house tomorrow take all your belongings and use the premises for my purposes(probably a physics laboratory  ) disregarding your wishes, you won't have a problem with that? "It seems logical that since the Plejaren people do not have a monetary system..." This is impossible. Even in societies of high prosperity, man still needs to trade value-for-value(value to life), they may not use promissory notes(dollar bills) however there must exist some means of exchange, which is the true meaning of the term, money. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 944 Registered: 12-1999 |
Kiril, The Plejarens as I understand it do not have a monetary system where an individual works to accumulate some form of money for either spending, saving etc.. They are required to work 2 hours per day, which can occur anywhere on the planet. From this 2 hours per day, they are "given" all the amenities needed to live, which I would assume means land, housing etc...now whether they receive some form of token, or it is registered in a computer to indicate services rendered, I do not know. Scott | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 131 Registered: 02-2000 |
Kiril, If a Plejaren citizen wants to have 1000 kg of apples, he doesn't have to pay for it. He just may have it, because he would not want to have that amount if he doesn't know to use it properly or usefully. It's hard to understand for most of terrestrial humankind that if a civilization reaches that level where you can have anything you desire (material goods only, of course), your desires are getting very low or few. We here on earth are still quite a "distance" away from such a situation. Prerequisite of such a "comfortable" situation is that there is no overpopulation on a planet, because only then is the possibility given that everything (resources, etc. ) is available abundantly. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 12-2005 |
Hi Scott, Thank you for your explanation, however I was already aware of this system, as described by Mr.Meier. Even in such a system, very much like the Socialist way of doing things, there is an accumulation of wealth, managed by the government, and later distributed in whatever trad-able form(virtual credits, promissory notes,etc. or better still, food stamp/coupons). The critical questions in such a system are: 1 - By what standard is this 'money' distributed(everyone, within there personal freedom and desires requires different quantities of this tradable unit - and no individual or government is omniscient). 2 - By what standard is the cost of goods and services determined(can I buy I jumbo jet with the same amount I use to buy a box of tissues). I should state that I am a proponent of Capitalism(please note that no government today, whatever they say, practices pure capitalism) - in which system no such problem questions exists. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Kiril and others, As to the star... Pffhht! From a more spiritual point of view... materialism is just a means to an end. I can't take any of the "stuff" with me... and you are always welcome in my home. Mi Casa is su Casa... My wife may not agree though... Sharing is not a problem for me. Money is just another energy system. You can set up your subconscious to make as much or as little as you want. As to physics... it's more of a hobby. According to the off planet friends and relatives of Billy... this is the only planet with such a system of energy bartering. Take into account that most of the wars are based on scarcity consciousness...(lack of money... lack of resources...) We live in an abundant Universe that is soooooooo abundant we call it: (( ( ( ( ( I N F I N I T E ) ) ) ) ))). Also, Thank You to Scott and Robyn for their recent posts and the reposts of Jocobs' work concerning the spiritual glossary, very helpful. Tschüs... Love to all... rarena τΏτ Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronunciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 12-2005 |
Hello Christian, thank you for clarifying that last point, on the means of trade. With this have emerged many interesting question in my mind, which I will think over before discussing here, however, there are two long standing questions I have, that I was hoping you might be able to answer: First - If overpopulation is the key to leading us to such a Utopian society, what indications, other then the word of the Plejarens, are we to follow when determining the maximum number of people for this planet - that is, what scientific evidence(is not the level of technology a determining factor)? Second - What is the argument against a system which employs a standardised currency as a means of trade for goods and services - and where those goods and services are traded on a voluntary basis - and thus there price determined? Kiril | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 177 Registered: 06-2005 |
I haven't come across any scientific data that determines the perfect number of people who could reside on this planet and co exist in harmony with nature, but I would like to find such information; currently the situation is such that the more people there are, the LESS the individual matters. The more people are born the more consumers there are which equates to a speedy production of goods/services thus exhausting the earth's natural resources while also creating new and 'improved' ways like commercials and TV, to incite the consumers to spend and rob some more, and another way to continue the cycle of greed is war machinations. I would say that governments don't want the people to know the true prospects of their survival chances because if we did know we would choose different ways to life. I will guess that when taking into account the varied landscape like oceans and mountain ranges and the changing seasons, weather patterns etc., not much is left for food production but IF we were wiser and listened to our own conscience-our spirit, we would consider having smaller families irrespective of what science is saying. Now it's more like pro-creating people for more scientific nuances rather than creating progressive science to better the people and help them advance intelligently towards ONE very powerful consciousness. In our newspaper just today, I saw a headline professing how 'greed' is good for us-it makes us happy... (I am having difficulties even imagening what lays ahead... in the form of ONE consciousness ONE people as equal without the need for aggressive competition, let alone the issue of Fine matter, strange as it may read, I sometimes wish(?) that I was there already, WOWWWW!!!) Kiril, in response to your question to me in post #125, I am speaking Metaphorically trying to see myself part of this Creation as a life giver, after all all life is a cycle and we are naturally interconnected: Mother Nature is being delibrately destroyed and I see my (past) situation as a parallel experience. Melli, According to the Plejarens the ideal number of people on this planet where we are living in harmony with nature would be 529,000,000. As you know we have exceeded that number many many years ago. Regards Scott | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 12-2005 |
"...the LESS the individual matters." Matters to whom? This sounds like the silly reasoning(sic) of Marxism(the political/social system that is based on the ideas of Karl Marx). "...not much is left for food production..." I think a major determining factor in the maximum possible population on this planet is the level of technology of its inhabitents.Imagine for a split-second, the prospect of energy of immense power and limitless quantity - produced by such devices as the 'aether motor'(which patent I posted on this forum recently) - open to the earth human? | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 10-2005 |
Childcare and overpopulation Less than an inch of space per person by 3000... We have to do something soon. We can be good parents and guide our kids away from the concept of large families, or at least make them aware of the cost and responsibility each child involves to us and to our planet. Group think rather than individual think through this... Yeah... technology, huge skyscrapers/waste converters but we have to work WITH Nature not against her... After reading these posts again, reobserving the "It's my endocrine system" comment, it came to mind that person may have been referring to birth control pills... which is a type of estrogene (endocrine system) therapy. If that is the case, many other ways exist to prevent births which may be a better use of our time given our current population (Seven billion plus and counting). Condoms, Diaphrams, IUDs, etc... The Plejaren indicate ideal population vs sustainability of the planet was surpassed in the year 1900. The music of that era was excellent, you think there may be some correlation there everything working in unison and harmony? One form of birth control that is particularly interesting, involves the use of an Amazonian plant made into an unheated poultice the natives smear on the skin above the woman's ovaries. It is said to prevent births with no ill effects for up to three years. Am not sure if this affects the ladies endocrine system or not... nor what "no ill effects" means. But, this may be a another possible direction for us to persue/study. Haveing not been able to get the plant to researchers although instructed it grows in the Amazon Jungle and is apparently not endangered. The pharmaceutical companies would have a field day with this one... "What!?! Supply and demand... no control over dosage... how can we make any money on something that lasts for three years?" Materialists will oppose this... | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 169 Registered: 12-2005 |
Scott: "According to the Plejarens the ideal number of people on this planet where we are living in harmony with nature would be 529,000,000. As you know we have exceeded that number many many years ago." Rarena: "The Plejaren indicate ideal population vs sustainability of the planet was surpassed in the year 1900. The music of that era was excellent, you think there may be some correlation there everything working in unison and harmony?" So which one is it - 1.7 billion or .5 billion? What source are you referring to Rarena and what number of people do the 'Plejarens' claim existed at the year nineteen hundred? Does it really matter anyway? Since there is no proper qualification for either of the numbers? Rarena, the knowledge crucial to the issue of over-population is two fold: 1 - Exactly what are the causes? 2 - Why is a sustainable population X number of people(What does it mean to be sustainable?). I suggest we try to answer these questions - to discuss them, experiment with them, make mistakes and correct them - this idea that in the year 3000[....] is useless as a motivator of action. Kiril | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1015 Registered: 12-1999 |
Kiril, FIGU's Manifesto: One of FIGU's great concerns is making Earth's inhabitants aware that the majority of ills on Earth are exclusiveIy caused by overpopulation. Planet Earth should not have a population of more than 529 million. And yet, at present (1993), the planet is occupied by approximately 5.5 billion human beings. This situation has led to a series of ills that can be rectified only when the natural upper limit of 529 million inhabitants has been re-established. If the ideal sustainable population is 529,000,000 (according to the Plejarens), then planet earth was at that point by the end of the 1600's. I have never heard of the Plejarens advocating 1.7 Billion as the ideal sustainable population?? Rarena, where is this written? Regards Scott | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 06-2006 |
In the back of 'And Still they Fly' there is a chart by Billy, showing the Brain quotients respective to percentage of population. One of these charts is for 1844, where the population is stated as being 1.4 billion. Robjn | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 171 Registered: 12-2005 |
Hi scott, I quoted Rarena as saying: "The Plejaren indicate ideal population vs sustainability of the planet was surpassed in the year 1900. The music of that era was excellent, you think there may be some correlation there everything working in unison and harmony?" Van ich checked multiple sources for the estimate population at the year 1900 the most common figure that emerged was 1.7 billion or over 1.5 billion. Perhaps es ist a typo by Rarena? Kiril | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 10-2005 |
Kiril, Maybe you should find your OWN information rather than quote me... Your reference to "pidgeon German" is not appreciated. Prejudice will not help you find the correct answer. | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 07-2006 |
What kind of effect does procreation have on the human body? peace, | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 147 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Jacobus, What do you mean with "effect"? - In a woman the effect is that her body becomes heavier and the circumference of her belly grows bigger. | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 07-2006 |
all right, Christian, you pointed out the physical effects, what I'm referring to is the energetic, spiritual,(whatever you'd like to cal it) implications procreation has on the human body. A good example would be to take identical twins, Bob and Ted. Bob, a farmer, ends up having ten children, eight of them being boys, while Ted turns out being gay, but decides to adopt ten homeless children, giving then a good chance in life. On an energetic level, would these twins still look and act the same way? Even though they both have the same basic responsibilities, would it still be of any consequence whether it was yours or somebody else's children? I would like to know if there is anything in the German notes that could possibly explain something in the line of what I am pondering about? thanks. | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 161 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Jacobus: Twins: Each twin have its own spirit forms. .... Same education, same parents, same genes, but different spirit form (which access different info from the storage banks, etc ...) and thus different personalities Think about it, observe twins if there are among your friends, families, Then think about the influence of your spirit form on you personality and your life. Salome Eric | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hey Eric, I can't disagree with that. It is just that I am rather quite sceptical about having children in the first place. Have you guys ever noticed, for example, how lifeless mothers with three daughters or fathers with three sons are? It is as if something crucial is missing, but you can't quite pinpoint it exactly. O.K. ,so then you might think, yea, its because they've been that way since childhood. Nope, that's not the case. I am sure that there are some unchangeable creational laws pertaining to procreation, which have been forgotten by us a long, long time ago. Why aren't we aware of them? If we were, we wouldn't be sitting in this mess in the first place. (just a thought) peace | ||
Redbeard New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2006 |
Response to question asked by DSP0123, I have recently talked to a chiropracter in PA. USA that gives his autistic and other brain related problem patients a combination of Omega 3 oils ( 300 mg. EPA & 200 mg. DHA ) while they spend as much time as possible in a hyperbaric chamber while breathing about 90% oxygen. Because the brain is made up of fat or cholesterol the oils help to nourish the brain and the hyperbaric treatment fills the cells with oxygen and speeds healing throughout the body. I tried it myself and noticed an increase in energy, clearer thinking and feeling of well being as well as improved eye site after only 2 hours. I don't know if this message can be passed on to the original person but maybe all can benefit.... |
