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    Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 448 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Alan, The more people blindly (religiously) "believe" everything Billy & Co. write, the more they will be diliberately discouraged to do so with deliberate disinformation about the WTC, crop circles, Asket's hair color and the Protocols of Zion, in my informed opinion. We Earthlings MUST do it ourselves, or IT WILL NOT WORK. Please see: www.gaiaguys.net/Meier.puzzlesolution.htm And besides, it need not have been ONE thing which took down the towers, but SEVERAL things all at once. Why not? Keeps the cattle arguing among themselves. Check out the newest very compelling theory about flight 93 from www.wanttoknow.info Salome, Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 391 Registered: 07-2005 |
Wow Dyson A state of denial is sometimes imposed on by the outrageous evidence the more truer it is and it seems the incredible video you've provided of the collapse of the remnant spire has gone beyond just testing the limits of my credulity. INCREDIBLE, I mean high tensile steel usually melts slowly and turns to liquid at very high temperatures, never does it evaporate into dust. Is there any other plausible explanation other than what we suspect could be the cause, incredible as it may sound? Weapon of a kind that could simply dissolve steel beams in an instant may not be science fiction afterall but then I wonder why other steel beams weren't dissolved to dust seeing as uniform distribution of energy must have created a chain reaction for it to dissolve the steel spire from top to bottom, as it looked to be the case from the film. Or did the application of high energy from some incredible weapon only directed at this particular spire for it to have dissolved? The more I look at the short segment, the more my mind resists believing, it's that incredible. cheers Matt | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 02-2006 |
Gaiaguysnet wrote: "while I’m at it, the original CNN footage of the second tower’s demolition, manifestly demonstrates the mind-boggling effects of the one of the “new weapons” mentioned in #251. Watch the 70-story-tall right side of the remaining steel core (erroneously referred to by the stunned commentator as the “side” of the building) simply turn to dust and blow away. THIS is the mother of all smoking guns, and WAAAAAY too far out for the technologically uninformed, for them to even believe their own EYES! (www.cheniere.org)" (http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/spire/The%20Strange%20Collapse%20of%20the%20Spire.htm) http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/1179.html?1169157391 I downloaded that clip segment and I been studying it for a little while now trying to figure out exactly what could be going on there with that solid steel WTC spire mysteriously appearing to turn into "metal dust" in a split second. There definitely appears to be something very strange going on there in the video of that WTC spire coming down. Well I think regardless of how they did it, it *is* bloody well weird the way that the 'spire' stands for a few seconds, and then suddenly appears to turn into 'metal dust' as it continues falling down the way it does. At that point the solid 'outline' of the steel spire is no longer there, its gone? And whats more is that it appears like a gust of wind moves all that metal dust in one direction. That blur couldn't be the camera moving about because its on a tripod and also after it appeared to turn into dust, for those few moments everything else (outline of objects/structures) in the clip were ALL still in perfect sharp focus, except for the spire?? Also, another thing i wondered about is, IF it were true that the Russians had indeed developed and today posses a vast array of Scalar super weapons, and the U.S.A. doesn't posses them, or even if they did, would Billy and the Plejarens really disclose to the USA wether or not Russia has or hasn't got any of these superior types of secret weapons yet? Would the Plejarens really talk about the secret weapons capabilities of the worlds leading two military superpowers, which in effect, informs one of these nations of the other (enemy) nations secret military super weapons capabilities, and wether it has got them?? I somehow think that if the Plejarens really were "truthfully" openly talking about the military's secret weapons potential of the worlds leading two superpowers, that this would immediately put Billy on one of these nations top spot of persons they want assasinated list. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 166 Registered: 10-2005 |
Disinform, divide and conquer. Has worked for eons, is working now. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 449 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, Sorry. I may have jumped the gun when I wrote, "Check out the newest very compelling theory about flight 93 from www.wanttoknow.info" Seems my friend Fred may not have put it up yet, so I just did here: www.gaiaguys.net/WTC07.htm There's also a video on line somewhere that a good friend was kind enough to send as a CD (since our slow lines here preclude us getting vids off the net), which shows a guy (can't remember name!) who is right at the edge of this (civilian) metal-decomposition technology, with more pix. Maybe someone here knows what I'm talking about and can point us in the right direction. The (FREE) Disclosure Project documents linked off of www.gaiaguys.net/ufology.htm provide some good introductions to these Black Shelf technologies. Vestri, I agree with you about why Billy does it the way he does. We have to solve the puzzle ourselves. And the Plejaren tell us they don't mix with the terrestrial military stuff. I don't blame them. We got our black unmarked Appache gunship over the house a couple years ago. I guess they just wanted to show us that effing big gun that pokes out the front of the thing. I'm glad they didn't shoot. Salome, Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 506 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, I wanted to write today about a BBC TV program we watched last night called “Saving the Twin Towers”. I think it’s VERY important, because, although I’m no expert on the September 11 Massacre, I’ve seen most of the alternative media documentaries, etc., but there was material on this mainstream doco which was news to me, and seems to point VERY strongly to high-tech directed energy super-weapons. You will recall that, some weeks ago, I directed you to this: http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/spire/The%20Strange%20Collapse%20of%20the%20Spire.htm Naturally, this program was ostensibly official disinformation, but there was a lot more to it for those with a trained eye. On this British program, I learned that when the 2nd tower (Nth) came down several firefighters were in the 6th floor “B” stairwell and they survived unhurt.(!) They were interviewed for the show. After the collapse, they waited “30 to 40 minutes” and then they climbed up out of that place – they said they eventually saw daylight above them – to find that there was nothing on top of them, and one of them reported (as has been done elsewhere) that – aside from papers and small bits of twisted steel – “there were no desks, no computers, no telephones”. What was not directly reported was that there was also no sign of the 94 stories of skyscraper that should have buried them very deeply. I was stunned. I thought that – like the South Tower – there were no survivors of the Nth (2nd) tower collapse. (Of course any mention of tower #7 was taboo, but I seem to remember that it went from 70 stories to about 30 or 40 after it was “pulled” in what appears to have been a much more conventional manner.) A computer graphics representation of the official version of the collapse of #1 & #2 was very intriguing because it showed the sequential collapse of the floors (with no explanation of the free-fall speed, of course) but it also depicted the central structural steel core as remaining undamaged, as of course it would under those circumstances, and no explanation whatsoever for that was provided. I guess most viewers didn’t notice that 94 stories of the Nth tower, not unlike the central “spire”, seems to have turned to dust which blew away on the morning breeze. Or more like it is they couldn’t even begin to accept that “impossible” nightmare. Any serious and diligent student of Tom Bearden knows better. www.cheniere.org Perhaps you’ve seen this video already. Here’s the local blurb about it from Australia’s SBS-TV, followed by the little bits I could find out about it by searching the net. http://www.sbs.com.au/whatson/index.php3?progdate=18:02:2007 Sunday, February 18th, 2007 08:30 pm SCIENCE - SAVING THE TWIN TOWERS They were the biggest fires in American history, in the tallest buildings in the world. The fire-fighters who entered the Twin Towers on 11 September 2001 could only guess at what was happening almost 1000 feet above them. On that day, 343 New York firemen entered the buildings without knowing what awaited them, never to come back out alive. This documentary examines a new computer system devised by Jose Torero to monitor temperatures within burning buildings so that fire-fighters can be given warnings at critical points throughout which could alert them to evacuate and save their own lives. This documentary also examines how fire was responsible for the collapse of the Twin Towers through overheating and melting of insufficient structural pylons, and proposes ways in which skyscrapers could be designed and reinforced in the future to prevent similar collapses happening again. Torero argues that if the lessons of 9/11 aren't learnt from and pre-emptive measures implemented, then the safety of skyscrapers around the world could still be at risk. (From the UK, in English) PG CC WS Here’s the URL for the production company: http://www.liontv.co.uk/_scotland/productions/documentaries/horizon_towers.html And their (July ’06) press release: http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:-MgGnb2utzYJ:www.liontv.co.uk/_scotland/pdf/horizon_wtc.pdf+%22SAVING+THE+TWIN+TOWERS+%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=au (I can't comment on the below, which our slow line speed keeps us from seeing, but I found them here: http://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4789 ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sb7kZBEHL8 Video clips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThPTduiA5jI Filmed on top of the rubble: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9LW...related&search= Video to remember: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K2hQrtnNDw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87fy...s<br> <br>http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...onspiracy&hl=en I hope this is some help to you in piecing together the puzzle, and the sooner we start on the tricky bits, the sooner we will recover from our collective denial. Peace in wisdom, Dyson | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 224 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hello everyone, I just watched one video on You Tube and clicked by mistake on the screen and what appeared in this link here is very interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTYfqWo64cw&NR If you watch very carefully around the 42 second mark; pay attention to the right hand side of the streaming video on the screen and what can you see? I think I can see a 'ball'(?) passing by in mid air. The picture is not very sharp so maybe I could assume that it is a UFO or shall I say an IFO? Does anyone know if this actully ocurred on that day? And if this is so then I will further assume that that IFO is none other than a military object, but then I could be wrong? | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 208 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Melli, That appears to be a news helicopter which were all over the place by the time the buildings started collapsing. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 512 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear fellow fact-finders, I did some digging about the missing North Tower of the World Trade Center I mentioned in my above posting, and found something. The below is a short excerpt from the long interview at http://archive.recordonline.com/adayinseptember/jonas.htm Jay Jonas (Captain, Ladder Co 6 Department of New York), "And right around the three-hour mark, all of a sudden, a beam of sunshine hit the stairway. I looked and said, "Guys, there used to be 106 floors above us and now I'm seeing sunshine." They're like, "What?" I said, "There's nothing above us. That big building doesn't exist." . Tommy Falco leaves the stairway and then he comes back in. He pokes his head in and he says, "Hey, Cap, wait until you get a load of this." So I make my way up to the hole. I poke my head out and I couldn't believe what I saw. I couldn't believe it. The first thing I saw was that corner facade that was still standing. And I was looking at it. I said, "I can't believe this. This is unbelievable. . These are the biggest office buildings in the world and I didn't see one desk or one chair or one phone, nothing. The only thing you saw was steel, some reinforcing rods and this dust. That's all that was left. There was nothing that was recognizable, no carpets, nothing like that." In German they have a saying, "Was kann nicht sein darf nicht sein", which means, "What cannot be is not permitted to be." I hope everybody reading this can pass this information onto your 9/11 Truth Movement co-workers and bring their attention to www.cheneire.org which explains what happend technically. This does not negate the expolsive charges and thermate, which was seemingly employed to add confusion to the "either/or" folks. Best, Dyson | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 225 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hey Shawn, I also watched a Japaneese clip and before their comentary started a person introduces the clip in English saying that there was a UFO passing by... Sorry but I just tried to view this particular Japaneese clip and can't seem to find it but I will search for it again on the same link from above. The mystery widens!!! | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 513 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, The collapse of the September 11th, 2001 cover-up seems to be quickly gaining momentum. Michael Horn forwarded us some interesting quotes this morning and I’ve put them together with some previous material from our site here: www.gaiaguys.net/WTC07.htm Salome, Dyson | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 03-2003 |
Just a little something more to bring to people's attention. Now that the Plejarens have corrected an error concerning the actual time periods of chronological Earth history, it still remains to be said, this means the Plejerans had previously impulsed to author Otto Much relating to Atlantis, a time figure that was also impulsed to him incorrectly of about a 100,000 year or more time difference. I wonder if the Plejarens realize their error here. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 149 Registered: 06-2006 |
I don't think the history given by the Plejarens is true. They are making errors on purpose and correcting them when they feel necessary. I doubt they would make so many errors with the types of technologies they have. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 742 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dyson... Will post here, seeing your reaction was/is directed towards the Twin Towers, OK. I think at the moment, I will just keep myself to what Billy and the Plejarans have mentioned...concerning the Twin Towers. As Billy and the Plejarans explained...it/them as being imploded by the Natural Laws of Nature...itself. Due, to the construction of the buildings, and the scenario that it created, so that....Nature's Laws could take part, here. Which was my conclusion also. There are still TOO many misunderstandings 'Floating' around, which generate all sorts of conspiracies, I have to add.... Edward. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 532 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Edward, Billy's and the Plejaren's explanations evolve along with Earthlings’ independently-arrived-at understandings. This has been the case with the WTC, and has more obviously been the case with field forms ("crop circles") www.gaiaguys.net/Meier.puzzlesolution.htm and the Apollo 11 hoax. Remember what core-group member Hans-Georg Lanzendorfer, wrote for FIGU Special Bulletin #28 in September 2006? www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/s28/nasa.htm “In the FIGU core group, this (Apollo 11 hoax) theme was already discussed earlier and years before, and elucidated by the extraterrestrial Plejaren sources. However, pursuant to the urgent advice of the Plejaren and the Arahat Athersata level, at that time, a publication of the truth and the actual facts about the feigned first U.S. Moon landing was abandoned. The dangers of life-threatening attacks on the centre and the members in Hinterschmidrüti were too great.” (Our unofficial translation @ www.gaiaguys.net/Meier.Mondv6p70.htm) And from www.gaiaguys.net/meier.v1p11-20.htm Sfath’s 1945 explanation to BEAM: 48. Gib stets alles, was du zu geben vermagst, wenn die Menschen bereit sind zu empfangen. 48. Constantly give everything that you are able to give, if the humans are ready to receive. 49. Gib jedoch niemals mehr hinsichtlich der Lehre, ihres Wissens und ihrer Weisheit, als die Menschen fähig sind, alles zu verstehen und zu verkraften. 49. However never give more, in respect of the teaching, its knowledge and its wisdom, than the humans are capable of understanding and coping with. 50. Die Regel beweist, dass sie immer mehr wissen wollen, als ihr Verstand zu verkraften vermag, deshalb sei dir gesagt, dass du immer nur gerade soviel Wissen und Weisheit lehren und preisgeben sollst, wie der augenblickliche Stand des Verstehens der Menschen dies verlangt. 50. The rule proves that they always want to know more than their understanding can cope with, so, for that reason, be told that you should always teach and give away only as much knowledge and wisdom as is demanded by the immediate state of the humans' understanding. 51. Steigt das Verstehen und Erfassen der tatsächlichen Wahrheit in bezug auf den Stoff des Lernens, dann kann dem neuen Verstehen gemäss die Lehre in ihrem Wert und in ihren Einzelheiten erweitert werden. 51. If the understanding and grasping of the actual truth climbs in regards to the learning material, then the new understanding can be expanded in its value and its details in accord with the teachings. 52. Dies jedoch ergibt sich in der Regel erst zu dem Zeitpunkt, wenn eine entsprechend präzisierte Frage vorgebracht wird. 52. However, as a rule, this first comes about at the point in time when a correspondingly precise question is brought forward. I have very carefully studied every single publicly available video (as far as I know) of the WTC collapse and I plan to point to one particular shot which very distinctly shows a huge chunk of concrete turning to dust AS IT FALLS. And much more. I’ll put more on www.gaiaguys.net/wtc07.htm as time permits, and link references to the quark-manipulation-at-a-distance technique as well, which is well-described AND DEMONSTRATED(!) on a publicly available video I have yet to dig out of my collection of CDs of these things. Regarding conspiracies. Take a look at the opening page of our website if Billy’s 21 assassination attempts are not enough to demonstrate their ubiquity, my friend. Do you think that what we are told about the Bafath is not TRUE? Reason validates it 100% Salome, Dyson | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 10-2006 |
FIGU Core Member Christian Frehner said this about the attacks on the World Trade Center. Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 02:26 am: Of course Billy doesn't lie when he is answering forum questions. You see, if there is a question that may be simply answered by a "yes" or "no", why should there be many sentences? This has nothing to do with "will I be sued if I answer this question in details". It's up to the person who is asking to think about the question before it is published. Regarding WTC and its destruction it was claimed that the planes were not involved or not responsible for the destruction of the twin towers. Billy's answer was that the planes caused the destruction. If Billy would really fear further attempts on his life he would not have stated that the U.S. government was informed about the attack prior to the event. In my opinion this should be reason enough to investigate into this matter, but of course this is the task of the citizens of the USA, and not of us here in Switzerland. After all, if the population of a country is electing a criminal as its president, even if this has happened through manipulation during the elections, the same population is responsible to correct their mistake and to chase unsuitable persons from their offices. This is my opinion, written with a few words, but leading to many strings of thought. Christian | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 01-2006 |
hi jakes, but we KNOW that the 9/11 attacks were not ALL the work of the terrorists in the hijacked planes. WTC building 7 was not hit by a plane and we see the video of it collapsing in "classic" demolition formation. We also know from the pictures of the pentagon that it is mathematically impossible for that particular jet liner to fit into that 16 odd foot hole. Those two points there prove that the 911 attacks were not just about the US having advanced knowledge of the attacks, but played a role in setting it up. WTC 7 and the Pentagon was definitely a self inflicted wound. I wonder how much of the twins towers were too. Billy already said something recently in relation to reason why the towers fell down that made it clear that they didn't come down simply because of the planes hitting them. Also do you think it would be safe or wise for Billy to come out and give exact details of how the 911 operation was carried out? Do you think it would further any assasination attempts on his life? | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 01-2006 |
Would the Plejarens give Billy all the details of whole 911 attacks knowing that it would put his life in further danger? | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hi Tony, Those are great questions. I can't answer them. Maybe you can put them to Billy in the next round? Best regards | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 746 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jakes.... Very correct! I was also referring to that. The Planes CAUSING the destructions and the Laws of Nature...took the rest of the scenario over...into the course it took.(Inclusive: PULVERIZATION!). And the imagination of it/them being brought down(the Twin Towers) by some sort of 'Disintegrating' device, is even much more far fetched!! If (by hypothesis) there was any device involved, or what ever: it would be some sort of 'Pulverizing' device! Because, the buildings(Twin Towers) did NOT disintegrate...but were Literally 'PULVERIZED' to the ground! Thus, distinction must be made, here. Edward. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 216 Registered: 07-2004 |
The involvement of the US Gov. is not exactly accurate. A rogue element consisting of radical, power mad political elite, a few key Pentagon members, radicals of the Israeli Gov. and a collection of the wealthy elite class of financial manipulators who were close to being exposed and ruined in their power greedy ways are the responsible ones. The task of preparing the attack on the key financial center of America looks to have been loosely coordinated by a few separate groups who each had a reason for helping the event to transpire. Ultimately we will come to realize it's not important that we know the exact method of collapse, just the fact that the people who did this are all the ones who we witness now are profiting, were relieved from being destroyed by financial worries, or gained power from this action. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 04-2006 |
Billy hasn't been making much sense about who was responsible for causing the 911 attacks. First he starting saying that it was the terrorists alone who were responsible for the attacks and for bringing down the towers. Later in another question he was asked the obvious question if there was explosives placed in wtc 7 that was responsible for bringing it down, he eluded the question and said he couldn't answer that question because he didn't have the exact details. I mean how obvious was it that wtc 7 was brought down by controlled demolition explosives. Did he really need the plejarens to tell him that. Then later in another question he said that the reason the towers fell was because of explosives in the planes, and so on. His story is always changing. If there was explosives involved in bringing down the towers, then this means that the terrorists weren't responsible for bringing down the towers, the US was, which contradicts what billy first originally said about the terrorists alone being responsible for bringing down the towers. There might have been terrorists involved in the 911 attacks, but we know that so too was the US. Billy appears to be letting us figure the rest of it out. I think one reason is possibly for his own protection. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 538 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Edward, 'PULVERIZED'? Aluminum airplanes do not turn steel-frame buildings to powder. My friend, you have certainly not done your homework on the technical/structural aspects of the WTC towers, fire, metallurgy, “black” weaponry, etc. If they had just fallen down, how could those 16 survivors of the North Tower have climbed unhurt and UNBURNED out of the 6th floor "B" stairwell into empty space? Where did the buildings go? As the surviving firemen asked, “Where were all the carpets, desks, computers and telephones?” Where were the floor sections? www.gaiaguys.net/wtc07.htm Time will bear me out. Directed energy weapons merely "harness" NATURAL quantum energies, in the same way that people can fly in a hot air balloon by harnessing the natural tendency of hot air to rise. Taking the word literally, nothing CAN be anything BUT “natural”. And “far fetched” is a VERY relative concept, and seems quite funny to read on a discussion forum where everybody seems to actually BELIEVE in space aliens and flying saucers! (Ha ha ha!) Not to mention a real live Prophet, shape-shifting extraterrestrials, time travel, telepathy, teleportation, etc. etc. I could go on but I think I’ve made my point. ;-) Cheers! Dyson P.S. How would Billy have replied if you had asked him about Apollo 11 in the 80s or 90s? (Please see my previous post) | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello, Just wondering, if the pulverization at a distance technique really works, why didn't the Chinese use this in bringing down their communications satellite instead of hitting it with a missile and creating a mine field in space? Very unsafe for future space travelers, something the Chinese have high aspirations on accomplishing. If you already have planes full of fuel hitting the towers, and maybe explosives on the planes too, and maybe explosives in the buildings too, why would you also need to pulverize the buildings with the action at a distance technique? Sounds like overkill. Too many cooks spoil the stew. Shawn, I agree with you that the method isn't as important as getting the knowledgeable and guilty ones out of office. Peace and best regards | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 540 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Jakes, Good questions. “Just wondering, if the pulverization at a distance technique really works, why didn't the Chinese use this in bringing down their communications satellite instead of hitting it with a missile and creating a mine field in space?” First, I have no reason to believe that the Chinese possess this technology. It was not the Chinese secret service caught dancing in jubilation on that rooftop with a good view of Manhattan on September 11th, 2001, it was Mossad. And Guido Mossbrugger also provides an explanation as to why this high-tech “black” technology is not used openly without camouflage, when he describes why the Sirians’ and the Bafath’s repeated attacks on the SSSC in the 70s were so low-tech. It would have given the game away if Billy had been (say) carbonized, but not if he had been struck by plain old lightning. That’s why North Korea (et al) are doing nukes, when there is evidence that they already have something better. (please see www.gaiaguys.net/Canberrafire.htm ) “Very unsafe for future space travelers, something the Chinese have high aspirations on accomplishing.” The Chinese didn't "create" the minefield in space. There is already so much garbage in orbit that armor plating will still be required even if they had not added (slightly) to the existing huge junkyard up there. ”If you already have planes full of fuel hitting the towers, and maybe explosives on the planes too, and maybe explosives in the buildings too, why would you also need to pulverize the buildings with the action at a distance technique? Sounds like overkill. Too many cooks spoil the stew.” (You forgot thermite and/or thermate, and missiles being fired from the planes at the last moment before impact.) In this case, and many others of a conspiratorial nature, quite the opposite is true. The more the merrier. Most Earth humans are so stupid that they can only see “either/or” - not “both”, so if several different systems are employed simultaneously, the “9/11 truth-movement” gets endlessly bogged down in dead-end arguments and personal acrimony about the particular methodology (singular) which was responsible. It’s like if a murder victim is stabbed AND shot, those supporting the first cause will be angrily discredited by those supporting the second, and vice versa, so they end up both discrediting each other. So the more different items mixed into the stew, the more ultimate discrediting results for the various investigators who all jealously guard their pet theory. Quite cunning, actually. And “overkill”? Yes, indeed. OVERKILL is their calling card. (Please see www.gaiaguys.net/nukes.jpg ) ”Shawn, I agree with you that the method isn't as important as getting the knowledgeable and guilty ones out of office.” Shawn, just let me take this opportunity to tell you how much I appreciate your erudite postings here. We need more friends in America like you, and you are a light in a dark place. Until I learned about Jay Jonas and the fifteen other survivors who climbed out of the top of the North Tower’s 6th floor stairwell into clear blue sky, I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you about the technical method of the demolition being irrelevant compared to the demolition itself. But NOW I think that this is TERRIBLY important, because it demonstrates that not only does the supranational shadow government possess the wherewithal to float around in giant (fake) “ET” spacecraft (as described by Billy and the Plejaren, and the Disclosure Project) they also have the wherewithal to literally pulverize (to use Edward’s apt term) the biggest and strongest buildings on the planet. As I read somewhere about 9/11: “Don’t be scared. See 9/11 as a keyhole to an expanded consciousness.” And it is. Salome, Dyson | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 559 Registered: 10-2000 |
Matt, I thnk you are overlooking the fact that WHOEVER was involved in bringing down the towers and the attack was a terrorist, by definition. I haven't seen Meier state that the terrorists were solely Al-Qaeda. Maybe I missed it, or maybe we're just failing to make the obvious connection. Michael Horn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 218 Registered: 07-2004 |
Dyson, I'm not versed in the high tech weapons that are offered as the pulverizing culprit, but I sense a search coming on in my need to know file! I currently think that the intensity and free fall speed of tons and tons of grinding-type materials will not allow anything to escape recognizable. Looking into this other parameter, I am immediately wondering about all those people who were jumping off the top floors way before the buildings collapsed. The fires were not growing and cornering them when they chose that path out. Could they have begun to feel the energy beam you speak of, making an insanely tough decision for someone who only an hour before were just at work for another day. I could never get my mind around that part. Absolutely mind boggling if you put yourself in their shoes at that moment. It just doesn't compute correctly. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Michael, so by definition are you calling all the people that were involved in the 911 attacks, from US military, secret service, CIA, and all else right up through to top ranks of US government - terrorists? Thats a nice way of putting it. Any US person that was involved in the attacks for their own personal gain, is a terrorist by definition. I'll stick to calling them corrupt people thanks. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 449 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Matt As Michael's excellent observation points to, anybody causing terror is by definition a terrorist. As most muslim world believes, the story goes that it was an inside job perpetrated by the CIA and various branches of the security service. cheers Matt | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 547 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Shawn, In spite of the fact that Dr Tom Bearden (www.cheniere.org) has prudently maintained the "official" story as his on his website (as at September 12th, 2001), his thick books are the best source of technical information I've found (as long as you read past all the self-debunking) on these bizarre technologies. I think these specific “disintegrator beam” (my term) techniques operate almost instantaneously, at least that’s what it looks like when carefully scrutinizing the close-ups of the instant of the initiation of the collapse. The stainless steel corner sections (etc.) are fine one moment, and then – suddenly – seem to start to turn to brown dust and give way. The (CNN) “spire” footage is clearer, and evinces the same effect. But it pays to remember that the WTC Massacre was first and foremost a psychological operation, so the unburned jumpers could have been induced to their suicides through directed telenotics. (My friend Fred Burks has a great resource @ www.wanttoknow.info about mind-control devices from the CIA itself, obtained through Freedom of Information legislation.) There are photographs of obviously uninjured people standing and sitting in the (obviously not burning) holes made by the aircraft, waving for help. I’m pretty convinced that the “Mothman” weirdness and that fatal bridge collapse of some years ago is connected to the various action-at-a-distance technologies then under test and later employed in Manhattan on that terrible day in September. Seek and you will find. (But it’s not pretty.) Salome, Dyson P.S. Matt & Matt: Dictionaries define terrorists as politically motivated. | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Matt, I know Michael is correct in what he said there. I don't think you understood what I meant there because I should have explained myself well enough. I meant to say "I'll stick to calling them corrupt people thanks - and I prefer if Billy would too." | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 02-2006 |
" I'm not versed in the high tech weapons that are offered as the pulverizing culprit...." I like what a proffessor said in one of the 911 conspiracy documentary's. "If you drop a lump of concrete one floor or ten floors, it simply doesn't pulverize into dust. It just doesn't happen." How could concrete falling from one floor to the other get pulverize and cause all this dust to happen. It looked like 80% of the towers turned into dust -   | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 678 Registered: 03-2004 |
At least two television networks made premature announcements of the collapse of WTC 7. The BBC unequivocally announced the collapse about 23 minutes before the fact, and even featured a New York correspondent speaking of the collapse in past tense with the still-erect skyscraper standing behind her. (BBC reportedly does not deny this, and the TV clip reportedly checks out as genuine)http://www.wtc7.net/foreknowledge.html#bbc  | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 502 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Dyson and forum members More mounting evidence, wow How about this one http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/StarWarsBeam5.html#toasted cheers Matt | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 08-2006 |
Dear Matt, I support your pointing out the above 911 site. I found that a few days ago and what Jane has done is great and on track_ I have downloaded all of her pages for a detailed look and contemplation-some terrific photos-and she slams Jones for his thermite/thermate theory which has little scientific method support, if any.Being a retired physics teacher, I have enjoyed her analysis and I like her dedication and preciseness. WTC1 and 2 coming down near free fall, must mean that disintegration is occurring in advance of the "falling" floors-a disintegration wave. Explosives are also used, probably to cause confusion and more false trails. Free fall of course would be impossible with the large resistive forces and a large amount of the gravitational potential energy being used in the dustification process. As noted elsewhere there are examples of steel dematerialising and the toasting of the cars is mysterious indeed. Also the large vertical holes which appear in a number of buildings, some having rounded outlines, at least in part, point towards some energetic beam. It seems like the action of a DEW-Directed Energy Weapon. A great website!! Thanks Matt! Charles. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 523 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Charles Thanks Charles for informing yourself of this amazing website. My gratitude goes to the author of the website Jane for her brave and courageous work. Its good to see a physics expert among our midst and I am sure your contribution on this forum will be greatly appreciated. cheers Charles Matt | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 239 Registered: 04-2003 |
If “directed-energy” weapons were involved in bringing down the WTC towers, by “turning steel to dust”, how come there was so much steel and concrete debris on site? May 30, 2002: Ground Zero Cleanup Operation Officially Ends A brief ceremony marks the official ending of the cleanup and recovery effort at Ground Zero, eight months and 19 days after 9/11. As part of the ceremony, attended by thousands of people, a flatbed truck carries the last steel beam from the World Trade Center away from the site. The cleanup has been completed three months sooner than predicted and at a cost of $750 million. More than 108,000 truckloads of debris, comprising 1.8 million tons of steel and concrete, have been removed from the site. The debris was taken to the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island. Controversially, much of the steel was melted down or shipped out of the US for recycling (see September 12-October 2001). A small number of workers will remain at the site for a few more weeks, due to a delay by Deutsche Bank in letting firefighters search its high-rise at 130 Liberty Street. The final truckload of debris will be removed on June 24 and control of the site will be turned over to the New York Port Authority, which owns the land. Forensic investigators will continue sifting through debris at Fresh Kills, in the hope of finding and identifying more victims, until mid-July. [CBS News, 5/16/2002; CBS News, 5/30/2002; CNN, 5/30/2002; PBS, 5/30/2002; BBC, 7/15/2002; Glanz and Lipton, 2004, pp. 316-318; Stout, Vitchers, and Gray, 2006, pp. 219 and 226-227] | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 240 Registered: 04-2003 |
Collapse of the Two Towers The south tower, 2 WTC, was struck at 9:03 am and collapsed about 56 minutes later, at 9:59 am. The north tower, 1 WTC, was struck at 8:46 am and collapsed at 10:28 am, standing for 102 minutes after impact. In both cases, the commonly accepted assumption is the damaged portion of the building failed, which allowed the section above the airplane impacts to fall onto the remaining building below. While it took only about 12 seconds to destroy each building, parts of the cores remained standing for about 15 seconds more.[14] Both buildings collapsed symmetrically and more or less straight down, though there was some tilting of the tops of the towers and a significant amount of fallout to the sides. As the collapse progressed, dust and debris could be seen shooting out of the windows several floors below the advancing destruction. The collapses were accompanied by loud explosion sounds as the structure gave way and the falling top sections collided with lower floors. They spread debris in a wide radius around the buildings, damaging other buildings nearby and producing enormous clouds of dust that covered Manhattan for days. These were composed mainly of pulverized gypsum cladding and dry wall, finely ground concrete from the towers' floors, glass particles, asbestos, and lead (from the many computers in the buildings).[15] [14] Due to the dust produced by the collapse, the exact times are difficult to determine. See NIST's answers to frequently asked questions, August 2006 [15] Lioy, Paul J. er al. "Characterization of the Dust/Smoke Aerosol that Settled East of the World Trade Center (WTC) in Lower Manhattan after the Collapse of the WTC 11 September 2001" in Environmental Health Perspectives, Volum 110, Number 7, July 2002. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 241 Registered: 04-2003 |
Total progressive collapse Once the collapse was initiated, the enormous weight of the portion of the towers above the impact areas overwhelmed the load bearing capacity of the structures beneath them. This was argued in a paper in the days immediately after the attacks by Zdenek P. Bazant and Yong Zhou.[16] Their analysis of global collapse allowed NIST to concentrate their efforts on the events that brought the structure to the point of global collapse, and NIST did not study the progress of the global collapse at all.[17] NIST did propose an explanation for the ejections of dust from the windows, however. As the floors above the impact point were relatively undamaged (save for fire), the upper portion fell and smashed through the lower floors as a unit. The air that was compressed ahead of the falling section was responsible for the ejections of dust and debris through the windows.[18] [16] Bazant, Zdenek P., and Yong Zhou. "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?—Simple Analysis". Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE. 2002. [17] Bazant, Zdenek P. and Mathieu Verdure. "Mechanics of Progressive Collapse: Learning from World Trade Center and Building Demolitions" in Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE, in press.] [18] NIST report on the Collapse of the World Trade Center. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 525 Registered: 07-2005 |
To Jo Jo You asked........... If “directed-energy?weapons were involved in bringing down the WTC towers, by “turning steel to dust? how come there was so much steel and concrete debris on site? Because the WTC like most buildings in this world is made of steel and concrete. cheers Matt | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hey guys, Just thought I would share this link. I think the 9/11 tragedy accomplished several things that day and was well orchestrated to say the least. I think the gold was the icing on the cake. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/gold.html | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 267 Registered: 06-2005 |
We may have part of the puzzle to the biggest lie perpertrated on humanity yet we forget to ask and I still want to know WHO were the culprits flying those planes straight into those bulidings? were the planes piloted by remote and if so from where? or were some moronic people paid to commit suicide? | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1123 Registered: 02-2000 |
I though Billy explained what happened. The Terrorist were unknowingly assisted. The Gov't let it happen. My Website | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 243 Registered: 04-2003 |
For me, the the biggest lie perpertrated on humanity is religion. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 244 Registered: 04-2003 |
WTC1 and 2 coming down near free fall, must mean that disintegration is occurring in advance of the "falling" floors-a disintegration wave. It seems like the action of a DEW-Directed Energy Weapon. If "disintegration" is occurring, then why wasn't all or at least a majority of the steel and concrete from the building DISINTEGRATED? For anyone that's actually been to the site, it would be hard to argue on a volume-metric basis that any disintegration occurred, what with more than 108,000 truckloads of debris, comprising 1.8 million tons of steel and concrete, having been removed from the site. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 01-2006 |
Norm, Billy (or was it the P's) also said that we (the world) in time would find out what REALLY happened surrounding the 911 attacks. I take it that this also could mean or imply that we would find out how it was done too. I think people should keep that in mind, and be open to the possibility that Billy and the P's could be holding back on the info on this one, knowing that we would eventually find out ourselves about the truth of what really happened. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 239 Registered: 07-2004 |
The buildings were destroyed by multiple effects. The people responsible are what we need to discover. Cover-up is all over this event which points to a conspiracy. Who cares now how the buildings came down exactly. There's many scientists looking into it now, and the answers will be found. Let's find the culprits, (Cheney for sure) and stop this madness. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Andyr New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2007 |
Tony, I have to disagree here, but I think Billy said exactly the opposite of what you posted. He said that IT IS NOT POSSIBLE to find out the truth of the WTC, because the responsible parties, who control everything, WILL NOT ALLOW IT. | ||
Andyr New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2007 |
Tony, maybe you didn't see it, but here is the reason. HI BILLY, what can you tell us about what the U.S. did in the (setup) 911 attacks that no-one knows yet, which may help the people investing the case bring the case and people involved to justice? ANSWER It is not possible to bring the case and the people to justice because this will be prohibited/prevented by the CIA and the most powerful U.S. secret sect “Skull and Bones”. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 529 Registered: 07-2005 |
To Jo Jo Jo Jo, most buildings can be brought down with only several central columns supporting the weight of the buildings are knocked out. There is a special engineer's jargon for this which I can't remember. So if all it takes to knock out the weakest link is by breaking the little finger why go through the trouble of trying to crack the head. You seem to be imagining such a weapon in the light of all the sci-fi movies like star trek and star gate you've seen on TV. cheers Matt | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 227 Registered: 03-2004 |
BTW Billy said specifically that the USA does NOT have any ray wepons of that sort other than the weapons being developed but not yet used, like HAARP. To me, that means that unless Billy has bad sources of info, then there was NOT a energy weapon (other than planes) directed at the buildings on 9-11. Pure and simple. And I also agree with Jo Jo's last post... | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 531 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Shawn Good point Shawn although I might add that with any crime investigation every lead counts. Just as you don't hear homicide investigators saying 'who care how or what killed the person just as long as we find out who did it', it goes without saying that in order to find the culprits, there must be a case made based on all evidence which will ultimately lead to the perpetrators, that includes finding exactly what brought down the WTCs besides the planes. The other forum members I assume have not looked at this link which may be the reason for their conclusions which they have every right to have anyway. http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/StarWarsBeam5.html#toasted Nothing is forced here on my part, just bringing more evidence to light which may add to the whole picture. As Billy said............ Eine Beweisführung in allen Belangen muss der Mensch immer in sich selbst führen, und zwar durch seine effectiven Wahrnehmungen und Erkenntnisse, durch seine Gedanken und Gefühle sowie durch seine tiefgründigen Überlegungen, aus denen Kenntnisse und Wissen, Erfahrung und Erleben und die Essenz des Ganzen, die Weisheit, gewonnen werden. In all matters, a human must always make a demonstration of proof within himself, and indeed through his effective perceptions and cognitions, through his thoughts and feelings as well as through his profound deliberations, from which awareness and knowledge, experiences and experience and the essence of the whole - wisdom - will be gained. Etwas beweisen zu wollen, ist in jedem Fall immer falsch, wenn es sich um Dinge handelt, die jeder Mensch selbst durch seinen eigenen Verstand und durch seine eigene Vernunft in sich selbst ergründen und erkennen muss, woraus dann die eigene innere Beweisführung entsteht. In every case, it is always wrong to want to prove something, because it deals with things that every human must fathom and recognize himself, through his own understanding and through his own reason, out of which then his own inner demonstration of proof comes about. Andere Beweise können nur in Vernunft der Hinsicht geführt werden, wenn z.B. bei einem Unfall oder Verbrechen usw. die Fakten aufzuklären sind, die dann als Beweislage dienen. Other proof can only be demonstrated in the rationality of consideration, for example, when the facts are to be cleared up which then serve as legal evidence in the case of an accident or robbery and so forth. cheers Matt | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 245 Registered: 04-2003 |
Matt, Just to be clear, I'm not imagining any sci-fi weapon. That's coming from other posts earlier in this thread. It was the planes, the jet fuel, and possibly other liquid explosives on the planes. Period. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 01-2006 |
Andyr, that is not the post (Billy's answer) that I was referring too. It must have been something that Ptaah said in the contact notes then. It was something along the lines that "one day we find out what really happened" regarding 911. I will try to find it, or if anyone else remembers this or knows where it is, could they please point it out. It is there. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 539 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Jo Jo Dyson said it best when he said............. Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 06:02 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear fellow fact-finders, I did some digging about the missing North Tower of the World Trade Center I mentioned in my above posting, and found something. The below is a short excerpt from the long interview at http://archive.recordonline.com/adayinseptember/jonas.htm Jay Jonas (Captain, Ladder Co 6 Department of New York), "And right around the three-hour mark, all of a sudden, a beam of sunshine hit the stairway. I looked and said, "Guys, there used to be 106 floors above us and now I'm seeing sunshine." They're like, "What?" I said, "There's nothing above us. That big building doesn't exist." . Tommy Falco leaves the stairway and then he comes back in. He pokes his head in and he says, "Hey, Cap, wait until you get a load of this." So I make my way up to the hole. I poke my head out and I couldn't believe what I saw. I couldn't believe it. The first thing I saw was that corner facade that was still standing. And I was looking at it. I said, "I can't believe this. This is unbelievable. . These are the biggest office buildings in the world and I didn't see one desk or one chair or one phone, nothing. The only thing you saw was steel, some reinforcing rods and this dust. That's all that was left. There was nothing that was recognizable, no carpets, nothing like that." In German they have a saying, "Was kann nicht sein darf nicht sein", which means, "What cannot be is not permitted to be." I hope everybody reading this can pass this information onto your 9/11 Truth Movement co-workers and bring their attention to www.cheneire.org which explains what happend technically. This does not negate the expolsive charges and thermate, which was seemingly employed to add confusion to the "either/or" folks. Best, Dyson ------------------------------------------------ Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 04:32 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Edward, Billy's and the Plejaren's explanations evolve along with Earthlings?independently-arrived-at understandings. This has been the case with the WTC, and has more obviously been the case with field forms ("crop circles") www.gaiaguys.net/Meier.puzzlesolution.htm and the Apollo 11 hoax. Remember what core-group member Hans-Georg Lanzendorfer, wrote for FIGU Special Bulletin #28 in September 2006? www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/s28/nasa.htm “In the FIGU core group, this (Apollo 11 hoax) theme was already discussed earlier and years before, and elucidated by the extraterrestrial Plejaren sources. However, pursuant to the urgent advice of the Plejaren and the Arahat Athersata level, at that time, a publication of the truth and the actual facts about the feigned first U.S. Moon landing was abandoned. The dangers of life-threatening attacks on the centre and the members in Hinterschmidrüti were too great.? (Our unofficial translation @ www.gaiaguys.net/Meier.Mondv6p70.htm) And from www.gaiaguys.net/meier.v1p11-20.htm ------------------------------------------------- Posted on Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 12:51 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Edward, 'PULVERIZED'? Aluminum airplanes do not turn steel-frame buildings to powder. My friend, you have certainly not done your homework on the technical/structural aspects of the WTC towers, fire, metallurgy, “black?weaponry, etc. If they had just fallen down, how could those 16 survivors of the North Tower have climbed unhurt and UNBURNED out of the 6th floor "B" stairwell into empty space? Where did the buildings go? As the surviving firemen asked, “Where were all the carpets, desks, computers and telephones??Where were the floor sections? www.gaiaguys.net/wtc07.htm Time will bear me out. Directed energy weapons merely "harness" NATURAL quantum energies, in the same way that people can fly in a hot air balloon by harnessing the natural tendency of hot air to rise. Taking the word literally, nothing CAN be anything BUT “natural? And “far fetched?is a VERY relative concept, and seems quite funny to read on a discussion forum where everybody seems to actually BELIEVE in space aliens and flying saucers! (Ha ha ha!) Not to mention a real live Prophet, shape-shifting extraterrestrials, time travel, telepathy, teleportation, etc. etc. I could go on but I think I’ve made my point. ;-) Cheers! Dyson P.S. How would Billy have replied if you had asked him about Apollo 11 in the 80s or 90s? (Please see my previous post) It all makes sense and I am in the same boat as Dyson. cheers Matt | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1125 Registered: 02-2000 |
Norm, Billy (or was it the P's) also said that we (the world) in time would find out what REALLY happened surrounding the 911 attacks. Tony, We did find out the truth Billy told us. When the world starts to believe in Billy's story they will also know the truth even if it takes 800 years. My Website | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 04-2006 |
It seems that it is common knowledge in these circles that Russian satellites photographed a ship-launched craft (seems to have been a drone type plane rather than a missle) that ended up impacting the Pentagon on Sept 11, 2001, and that, for various reasons this information has been withheld from the public. I was naturally startled to hear this even though I have long held the opinion that it was NOT a commercial jetliner that hit the Pentagon. I think the thing that startled me was the fact that, if Russia (and perhaps other countries with satellites?) had proof that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, why weren't they revealing this? http://home.att.net/~south.tower/911RussianSatellite1.htm Former Bush Speechwriter Hints at 9/11 Inside Job Says Neo-Cons would have created a false flag to justify war had it not been for WTC attack, questions official story A GOP insider, former Bush 41 speechwriter and close friend of the Bush family writes in his new book that before 9/11, the Neo-Cons in control of the Bush administration were eager to seize upon a manufactured provocation to go to war - just as LBJ had done with the Gulf Of Tonkin in 1965, and questions the official 9/11 story. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=WAT20070413&articleId=5381 | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 03-2007 |
Everyone will want to listen to this radio interview of Paul Laffoley. He is an extremely accomplished visionary architect and artist who used to hang out with guys like Buckminster Fuller and WAS ON THE ORIGINAL WTC DESIGN TEAM UNDER YAMASAKI. He is considered an absolute polymath and genius by any who encounter him. And guess what he said??? He said the WTC towers were designed with charges built into them...they were built to be taken down and that's exactly what happened... here's the clip... http://www.mikehagan.com/2012/mp3/clips/laffoleywtc.mp3 Regards Bob | ||
Andyr Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 03-2007 |
I don't know anything about explosives, but doesn't that sound too dangerous, that maybe a building could be taken down rather simply by accident? I certainly wouldn't ever want to be a tenant in such a building. Who would? The insurance costs would be literally through the roof. If that is true, then the practice might be in use in other tall buildings around the world. And the explosives would have to be very stable over a long period of time, maybe more than 100 years (the life expectancy of the building). Is this even possible? And all the planners, engineers, architects, material suppliers and contractors on the job would have to be very hush-hush for more than 35 years. Why haven't we heard this before? Excuse me if I'm somewhat dubious. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 208 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Andyr, It would seem that explosives are indeed dangerous in the wrong application, but consider this... explosive bolts on cockpit doors of airplanes. In the event of a ditch and drowning you would want to get out of the aircraft before it got more than a few feet underwater. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 03-2007 |
Andyr, it's explained better in the taped interview. It was common for high rises in New York at that time because of the expected life cycle. I AM an architect, and I can tell you the lifespan of a high-rise is typically from 20 to 40 years, not 100. The exceptions are historical landmark buildings like the Chrysler and Empire State. And as far as secrecy is concerned, it's as easy as the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. The American Embassy in Moscow was fully bugged with listening devices while it was still under construction - before it was ever even occupied. Regards Bob | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 250 Registered: 07-2004 |
I listened to that clip and to report that explosives were built into it is not what is clearly heard. The interviewer expands on the interviewees claims and the interviewee carries on with the theme without actually saying bombs were built into it. The buildings were designed to be more easily disposed of by known physics. I would need a much clearer interview of this man to even begin spending time researching these " bombs built in" theories. They will never be able to clear the fact of building 7 and it's controlled demolition. First Silverstein ( the owner of the lease's of WTC 1, 2 and 7 states the fact that 7 was "pulled"( controlled demo term), then reverses his statement. He acted just like someone who just won a billion dollar insurance claim if the building was destroyed by a terrorists act. OOPS! He did win a billion dollars. This mans confusion during a PBS broadcast helped many understand that something wasn't right about 911. But if the person who posted this link thinks that this one interview of a stuttering man(a sign of questionable integrity ) answers the many thousands of questions this tragedy has created, the answer will be, not even close. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 03-2007 |
Shawn: "But if the person who posted this link thinks that this one interview of a stuttering man(a sign of questionable integrity ) answers the many thousands of questions this tragedy has created, the answer will be, not even close." That's NOT what I think. Neither did I say so nor did I even imply it. And I would be careful about denegrating a man's integrity because you don't like his eloquence. Regards Bob | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 251 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Bob, I will say one thing for this Paul Laffoley guy, his delivery and his credibility are weak. My opinion. I also will say to you Bob, I think you didn't fully research to far into this statement of predisposed building structures built with easy demolition engineered in, and/or the background of Mr. Paul Laffoley. Again, my opinion and it's reasonable to assume I'm off the mark. But it doesn't take much to unwind this information, yet I am of the mind to realize that whether it's true or not, it has parts of the puzzle of 911 sewn within. If 911 was planned, then the planners are still planning. Plan on it. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 08-2006 |
Jo_Jo posted 3 consecutive articles(239,240,241) attempting to support the pancake collapse theory for WTC1 and WTC2,citing in particular the 108,000 truckloads of 1.8 million tons of the remains from the WTC(buildings 1 to 7). I include here a pic dated 9-13-2001 taken from the website of Judy Wood.  From Judy Wood website:"The remains of WTC2 are in the foreground. Immediately behind WTC2 is where WTC3 (Marriott Hotel) once stood. Where did it go? In the background (upper-left) the World Financial Center (WFC) buildings have blown-out windows and other damage. The remains of WTC6, an 8-story building, towers over the remains of WTC1. While it has been reported that much of the steel was removed from the site, sold to China, and loaded onto barges, and sent to China to be melted down, the steel could not have been removed this fast. So, if it was not shipped to China overnight, where did the steel go? Most of it was not on the ground, initially; so it had to have been suspended in the air." WTC6 has 8 stories. It is expected that a building falling into its footprint would be reduced to,say,12% of its initial height. Hence the towers of 110 stories would be reduced to a height of about 13 stories. Also WTC7 of 47 stories was reduced to 5 to 8 stories[6.5 av]-so the towers being 2.34x higher[also height to base ratio is greater] gives a rubble height 6.5x2.34=15. Look at the pic, observe the 8 story WTC6,imagine a pile of rubble 1.5x to 2x that height and compare that with the remains of WTC1 and WTC2. Enough said! Free fall my a---!The laws of physics are inviolable, being a subset of the laws of Creation. Once again the dematerialising "spire" video-what type of radiant energy is breaking the intermolecular bonds as with the vehicles with missing engine blocks? And the aeroplanes which defy the 2nd law of Newton and vanish into the towers like a knife through butter with little,if any,deceleration? Notice the large vertical hole(s) in WTC6-wood worm?Logic and common sense prevail. If anyone believes that a bunch of incompetent terrorists caused the events on that notable day,then they must also believe in the tooth fairy! Regards,Charles | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 02-2006 |
Should people who question the government's version of the events of 9/11 have their heads examined? Well, the following psychiatrists and psychologists have concluded that the official version of 9/11 is false. Moreover, many of these mental health experts have concluded that the government's account is so obviously false that people who believe the government's version are in psychological denial: Psychiatrist Carol S. Wolman, MD Psychiatrist E. Martin Schotz Professor of Psychology at University of New Hampshire William Woodward Professor of Psychology at University of Essex Philip Cozzolino Professor of Psychology at Goddard College Catherine Lowther Professor Emeritus of Psychology at California Institute of Integral Studies Ralph Metzner Professor of Psychology at Rhodes University Mike Earl-Taylor Retired Professor of Psychology at Oxford University Graham Harris Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from the University of Nebraska and licensed Psychologist Ronald Feintech Ph.D. Clinical Neuropsychologist Richard Welser Clinical psychologist, Ed.D., Harvard University Gwendolyn Atwood, Psychology researcher, M.A., Psychology Victoria Ashley Psychotherapist, M.S. Clinical Psychology, Greg Henricks M.S. in educational psychology, Roy Holcombe M.A. in Counseling Psychology Tova Gabrielle There are literally thousands of other mental health professionals who have reached the same conclusions. So who is out of touch with reality: those who question 9/11 or those who believe the government's version without question? posted by George Washington at 4:27 PM http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/05/psychiatrists-and-psychologists.html | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1135 Registered: 02-2000 |
Well that oil tanker that crashed in CA last week sure caused that bridge to collapse pretty fast! My Website | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 10-2006 |
Yes Norm, very good observation. That caught my attention as well. For many people it comes down to what they want to believe, even on this forum, irrespective that Billy has pretty clearly stated what he and the Plejarans know happened. | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hi Norm and Jakes, You can't compare apples with oranges. Still I suppose we can all stretch the imagination when the need arises! Not worth wasting time on, but I had a look at some comments on the news article and found: 1)The spin here is “the steel melted, just like in the WTC”. Well, the steel clearly softened and gave way when the asphalt burned, but it looks like it’s still there. Where were the center supports in the WTC? Anyway, I’ll bet asphalt really burns hot – tarry gooey stuff. 2)Interesting pic, Snark. Anyway, no, I didn’t want to turn this into WTC but that was the oft-repeated news quote this morning – “steel melted just like the WTC.” FANCY THAT!! As you write Norm "For many people it comes down to what they want to believe". Mind you I prefer using logic to seek the truth, rather than to believe what the media dishes up to their many weak-minded followers. And you say that "Billy has pretty clearly stated what he and the Plejarans know happened". That's news to me;I know that statements have been made, but no details; so inform us please about these revelations, so that the 911 mystery is solved once and for all. Charles. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1136 Registered: 02-2000 |
Charles, As you write Norm "For many people it comes down to what they want to believe". Your quoting the wrong person! but I'll add Meier has explained what he knows but it seems some here want to believe Meier isn't telling the whole truth because of some death threat or something. I just don't see it. We should have an answer to at least to some of those questions in the next round of questions to Billy. But even then some will still believe Billy is not telling the whole truth. My Website | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 08-2006 |
Norm,Thanks for that clarification and I apologise for writing your name in my quote rather than Jakes(less haste,more speed!).Yes I think you may be right about Billy not wanting to give too much on 911 because of possible threats to his life and if he says that aeroplanes were the cause, it does not necessarily imply that he means the planes which "appeared " to hit the towers. Aeroplanes could have been involved in other ways-directing operations, firing a missile(as some suggest for the case of the pentagon). Regards and Best Wishes,Charles. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1137 Registered: 02-2000 |
Charles, your quoting me wrong again! let me repost! {but I'll add Meier has explained what he knows but it seems some here want to believe Meier isn't telling the whole truth because of some death threat or something. I just don't see it. My Website | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 256 Registered: 07-2004 |
Billy is releasing as much information as wisely as possible and not because of any fear for yet another attempt on his life. I sense that his attitude reflects the need for ourselves to be the ones to dig out the details of what really happened on 911. The closer I look at all the different levels of evidence on this event, it becomes clearer and clearer without doubt that our government played a part in this as well as a few other groups who gained advantages from the shock to the world over this action. Billy has no designs for anyone to simply follow his information, and he also knows that it is impossible for anyone to always be 100% correct in their statements, him included. I think it's very important in this situation that the puzzle of 911 be solved by the actions of the many individuals researching it through their own critical thinking. We don't necessarily need all the fine details to be able to grasp what doesn't add up in this story. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 02-2006 |
With all the 911 conspiracy theories and documentary's being publicized and consistently talked about by lots of people in most of the nations of the worlds, including the US, how come this figure has gone up over the years and not down? Number of Americans who believe Saddam-9/11 tie rises to 41 percent A new Newsweek poll out this weekend exposed "gaps" in America's knowledge of history and current events. Perhaps most alarmingly, 41% of Americans answered 'Yes' to the question "Do you think Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq was directly involved in planning, financing, or carrying out the terrorist attacks of September 11th, 2001?" That total is actually up 5 points since September 2004. Further, a majority of people couldn't identify Saudia Arabia as the country of origin of most of the 9/11 hijackers, even given the question in multiple choice format. 20% answered Iraq, while 14% believed the hijackers came from Iran. A majority (52%) believe the US is losing the war against al Qaeda, however Newsweek disagrees. In the magazine's reporting of the poll, they made judgment that the US is in fact not "losing the fight against al-Qaeda or radical Islamic terrorism." Closer to home, 89% of Americans are unable to name the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (John Roberts), though a majority of those polled were able to name Nancy Pelosi as the current Speaker of the House. A large majority of people said they didn't know or didn't care who the winner of this year's American Idol competition was (or at least weren't willing to admit it). The full results of the Newsweek poll are available here. http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Poll_41_of_Americans_believe_Saddam_0624.html | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 264 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Vestri, A recent change in the way a majority of the media outlets report on the events in Iraq have much to do about this rise in uninformed Americans about the 911 facts. This is the use of a new descriptive to designate the main "bad guys" in this oil war. Insurgents have now been deemed " al Qaeda ". The ruling Sunni's during Saddam's reign were known to be unacquainted with al Qaeda and against the extremist Islamists of Bin Laden Here is a post today on Yahoo... " U.S. and Iraqi officials blame most major car bombings on Sunni Islamist al Qaeda." Before this change of descriptives they were Sunni militants or insurgents. Suddenly over the last month they became always connected to al Qaeda. Americans are told to believe the governments story and the media has been busy strengthening this idea that the troubles in Iraq are linked to 911 through the presence of al Qaeda. This is helping the illusion of Saddams involvement in 911. The controlling powers know that the leadership of America will be in the hands of a different group come this next presidential election and are busy at the method of deceit they use to keep the majority poorly informed of the truth. I've heard all this discussed a few other times from different sources. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 252 Registered: 12-2004 |
http://www.breakfornews.com/audio/NextLevel070712a.mp3 http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html Sorry I have not been following the forum recently so excuse my abrupt jump here but for all those who continually follow or pay a reasonable amount of attention to the 911 movement have a seat for an hour and listen to this interview with Christopher A. Brown on breakfornews.com with Fintan Dunne. A most IN DEPTH debate/discussion over the dynamics of whether explosives were used, where how and why it would be improbable to cut steel beams with many suggested methods and why the planes might have actually been hi-jacked by foreign terrorists. The title of the second interview being "Demolition, the truth of 911 and the world trade center" Truth? maybe but Fintan states alot of the CIA disinfo is starting to subside to where balanced and indepth analysis can be pieced together. It's worth a listen. I am also aware that Meier has stated that the American Govt./Cia knew beforehand that the towers would be attacked, but was unclear whether they played a direct role in its destruction. I assume from this the CIA allowed such acts in order to label the 911 attacks an act of war in order to reciprocate geopolitical control across the board. Salome, Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 268 Registered: 07-2004 |
When you look for the point men of who did the event on 911 the first obvious person in this position would be Cheney. If you have any doubts he's deeply involved, your not looking to hard. The resources of the CIA contains an information storage cabinet that holds the dossier of all the middle eastern radicals they use for all the subversive actions the CIA engages in. The name used to identify that file cabinet is in Arabic. The name used is " Al Qaeda ". With a push from the power crazed Israeli's( the ones in gov.) and certain international bankers, a few mind controlled men boarded the selected half empty planes( yet are normally full ) that carried mostly militarily associated passengers and sat down and followed orders. Nothing happened other than the planes flew to an area where a simple switch was performed. Remote control and homing beacons guided the planes to the targets. The Pennsylvania flight( not a real commercial flight ) was shot down by a defiant commander who wasn't going to allow any more false flag attacks to remain unchecked. And the Pentagon with the small 16 ft hole and the vaporized plane with zero recovered bodies, not plausible. The same results were found in Pennsylvania, no bodies, no plane. Firsts for air disasters. The events prior to 911 at the WTC allowed never before security breaches to take place where whole floors were emptied, blocked off, powered down and secured by armed guards where a few experts could skillfully set their devices. The amount of info that is unquestionable, can never ad up to the " Official Gov Story " and our government did nothing to investigate it the way an event such as this must be magnified under a microscope. They were actually forced to do the 911 Commission Report which didn't even describe WTC7. It only takes a few at the top, lots of secrecy, and unlimited resources to accomplish this. All the elements were and are there. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 226 Registered: 02-2006 |
The much anticipated 911 conspiracy video "Loose Change Final Cut" has just been released. They certainly done much research on this one. Its great! LOOSE CHANGE FINAL CUT Edition)...Loose Change Final Cut - Loose Change Final Cut A Louder Than Words Production - The Loose Change crew did a great job compiling this massive.... http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=6499230265406230477 One of the typical reviews on The Internet Movie Database: Loose Change: Final Cut Investigative Journalism is still Alive!, 18 November 2007 10/10 It has been interesting to watch the development of Dylan Avery from a home filmmaker with attitude into a Director of true worth and talent. 'Loose Change: Final Cut' is the most mature and arresting of his series of Documentary films on 9/11 and should be taken very seriously. This is an extraordinary work of investigative journalism. Gone are the youthful assertions of his earlier work. The rapidly maturing Director now simply asks questions, shows or explains evidence and is careful to not to speculate. The wealth of information Dylan Avery's team have collected is extraordinary. The evidence shows beyond a doubt that the American Government was directly involved in the atrocities of 9/11. If not by direct assistance then by lack of intervention. What I find practically insidious is the blatant obstruction of justice perpetrated by the Bush administration. Dylan Avery should be praised for making all of his 'Loose Change" films and this latest Documentary should be regarded as the best so far. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0914809/ | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 333 Registered: 08-2004 |
Dear all, FYI: FORMER ITALIAN PRESIDNET SUDDENLY REVEALS THE 9/11 TRUTH As for the 9/11 atrocities, the former President of Italy, Francesco Cossiga, told Corriera della Sera, Italy’s most respected newspaper on 5th December 2007, that ‘the disastrous 9/11 attack has been planned and realised by the CIA and Mossad’. This report was accompanied by the superfluous observation that this ageing Italian intelligence officer’s sudden belated revelation of the outline truth of the matter has to be taken seriously, because Signor Cossiga cannot be considered to be a ‘crackpot conspiracy theorist’. For this full report see link: http://www.worldreports.org/news/104_white_house_orders_c best, cpl | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 196 Registered: 05-2007 |
Damn, after seeing Loose Change i couldn't believe i was so so ignorant. This makes you so so mad.  Why didn't Ptaah officially say more about all this? | ||
Unluckyguy26 Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hi Sirashwin I agree with you on that. I thought i that time i knew what was going on cause i trusted the co-operate media, but after seeing Loose change and many more i said to myself that i will never watch or listen to anything that they have to say because i realized that they are all part of it in so many ways and that the media is nothing but gov- co- operated. On an unrelated topic, the government seem to have some thing to do with New orleans completely flooded(cant back it up with enough proof cause its just out there from mouth to mouth i dont see any documentation of tangible proofs about it yet) reason why is that people living next to the levees repeatedly " heard explosive going off" before the storm got really bad.Is it true? I dont know.But after watching what they've done in so many places around the world and right here on their own land its a question that is not difficult to answer, that this wouldnt be an impossible thing for them to do.Its all part of the plan they have for us i guess, A SICK PLAN. lets hope that more people will wake and smell what they have been cooking for a while now. As in for me im done listening or believing in anything they have to say cause its all basically lies and brainwashing lets stay awaken! 1luckyguy | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 197 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Luckyguy New Orleans too? I have mot heard of that one. Perhaps someone else on the forum could tell about that. Salome ashwin | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 254 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Hector, Sorry to be late getting to you on this. As for when the La Palma mega-tsunami will happen, opinions vary. Scientific opinion varies from anytime soon to 2,000 years in the future. However, as I've written in a paper just published in the Journal of Osaka University of Arts Junior College the most salient scientific dates given appear to be those by Trombley and Ottesen of the SWVRC (Southwest Volcano Research Centre)(http://www.swvrc.org). Computing average times of eruptions: "...computed current data from Eruption Pro 10.5 yielded: 'Projected years maximum until next eruption = 117 years'. The statistical percentage forecasts for eruptions are: Year of Forecasted Eruption @ 50% = 2027 Year of Forecasted Eruption @95% = 2214" (Lock). So there is a 50-50 chance of this happening any year after 2027 and a 95% chance by 2214. A possible encoded date by Nostradamus is 2069. This comes from his Century 1 quatrain 69, or 21st century, century 1, year 69, the quatrain covering the event that to date only I seem to have written on. If anyone knows anyone else who has previously identified this I would appreciate being informed. Thanks. It's all in the Journal of Osaka University of Arts Junior College # 31 paper “Modern Geological Science and an Arcane Medieval Prognostication Present the Same Message” (23 Mar. 2007). I hope to have an illustrated PDF version available soon in English and Japanese. Kind regards, cpl (Christopher Lock for the OUAJC paper reference, though I do not think the college have it on line yet. If a link becomes available I’ll inform.) | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 265 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Chris thanks for your research it adds more certainty to the predicted La Palma tsunami providing scientific studies. Anyway it is not advisable to know the future, or even try to calculate events' probabilities of occurence. People can go crazy and change their behaviour for worse if they know with certainty when/how they are going to die.That's why (i think) Billy never has told the public the exact date of San Francisco earthquake, la palma tsunami or the red meteor impact location. Btw, i'm neither afraid nor i won't change my residence because of this future tsunami.In the worst case my studiying of the spirit teachings will be paused.To die because of a natural disaster is no shame and no indignity, only an accident. Regards... | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 260 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Hector. Actually Quetzal DID give the location of the Red Meteor impact and said it would create a gash in the Earth all the way from one specific place to the other. I seem to recall that the Black Sea was one of the two locations mentioned but I forget the other... | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 03-2007 |
Quetzal about The Red Meteor: "With reference to the earth rift to be expected, I can tell you that it will divide the land between the Baltic Sea and the Black Sea. Red-hot masses of lava and natural das and so forth, will also produce a deadly wall of sulfur which will cover the land, drifting westward and will create an additional death zone." | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 262 Registered: 03-2004 |
EXACTLY! Thanks Phi_Spiral!!! | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 266 Registered: 04-2006 |
Yes i knew about quetzal commentary but he never said when and how much land extension would that rift affect. I meant he gave one detail but not the whole description of the catastrophe.People are not going to run away, escape from Ucraine and Poland right now because of Quetzal's comments.Many people will die because of that catastrophe, but such an event had been programmed by universal factors and cannot be undone.Only we earthlings could do something, perhaps start a future mission or a plan, kinda armaggedon movie, to prevent the red meteor to crash and decimate northern europe's population. But I doubt world organizations such as the U.N would/will take Quetzal's warning seriously. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 227 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Cpl, Thank you for the excellent references, sent them to a friend living on the south Eastern Seaboard. Here is a link I use after a large Earthquake: http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/rmd. Click on your part of the world to view bouys that detect Tsunamis or if your electricity is down... use the phone. Is also a good place to watch for Hurricanes and other atmospheric disturbances. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 258 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thanks, Rarena; but actually, we have an excellent tsunami warning service in Japan. Any threat of tsunami is communicated instantly nationwide by TV subtitles the moment it is known -- same for earthquakes, and the likelihood of a tsunami coming from any earthquake, no matter how minor. I have never experienced a power outage in all my 28 years here, neither have I heard of one, other than a fuse blowing in someone's house. There was, however, an electrical "out" on the train platform last weekend, erasing all incoming and standing train information from the electronic announcement boards. That held up all the trains for 20-30 minutes leaving would-be passengers wondering what train was where or headed where, all others wondering what was going on, and all trains motionless -- an interesting first. Typhoons and all Japanese weather (current and predicted) we can observe 24 hours a day on the weather channel. The online links can, however, be useful for additional reports and alternative assessments after the event if needed. Best, cpl | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 259 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Hector, Armed with the knowledge of La Palma you know better than anyone else what is best for you personally to do. I seem to remember you are high up on your island, and it might not be difficult for you to get up the mountain and out of range of the tsunami. You might actually be better situated than some people thousands of miles away who will not be able to get out of the way due to mass exodus once the collapse is known. It will likely create one big earthquake/shaking in your region as well, though. An island the size of the Isle of White or the Isle of Man just tumbling into the sea not far away would do that. If we are lucky it might not be the whole flank that tumbles in. The Ps said the inundation would be up to 40kms in the USA. My calculations indicate a lot father than that is possible in a worst-case scenario if the whole mountain collapsed -- 100-300kms. Scientific opinion on this varies considerably, most saying 4-6km, which, with all due respect, I regard as ludicrous. I presume they "do not want to raise alarm" which I consider, actually, irresponsible. It is unlikely to happen prior to, but rather during or at the beginning of an eruption, which could serve as a warning. There will also most likely be a war followed by famine before this occurs, according to Nostradamus. IMO, and according to my dreams of this, a fair bit of water will pass under the bridge before the La Palma mega-tsunami occurs. Having said that, I'm yet to knowingly have a premonition of something stretching beyond my own lifetime and I'm currently 58. It is just good to be forewarned. Who knows you might be on vacation (in Switzerland or somewhere else safe from it at the time?) when it occurs. Best, cpl | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 260 Registered: 08-2004 |
"...it is not advisable to know the future, or even try to calculate events' probabilities of occurence." This seems to be the view of the Plejaren that have visited us with respect to personal matters. If it were to cover everything I would consider this to be more a personal opinion of their own, rather than a universal -- except when it relates to individual destiny. We also have people on Earth who'd rather not know their future, and many who would. I tend towards the opinion that those who don't want to know are those for whom it is better not to know, and those who want to know may be able to benefit from foreknowledge. There's no one equation fits all IMO. It also depends on whether we are talking personal events or bigger, national, global events not related to any particular individual. Billy, after all, has given a prolific amount of information concerning the future, because it could actually benefit the world. Consider this: How would Billy's (and the Plejaren) mission have fared if Samjase had known that she would have a near fatal fall and accident on Earth? It would have doubtless given her tremendous trepidation in considering such a dangerous venture. Maybe they would have cancelled their mission plans? From a cosmic overview it would obviously be better for her not to know of the coming danger, and for that to be so it would be best for her not to have an interest in knowing her own future. This would also answer the possible nagging question of why she didn't know this was going to happen when the Ps can know so much about the future, including people. I do agree, however, that foreknowledge of bad events for an individual -- if they must happen -- is often better kept from the individual, and for the reasons Samjase gives: it creating undue concern and worry that can interfere with ones plans for other things; and interfere with one just getting on and living a happy constructive life. This is an old occult law even on earth: if a bad event cannot be stopped for someone it is probably best they do not know, because it cannot be changed and would only make things potentially worse by adding worry, fear, concern and other dibilitating feelings and emotions to the psyche which may produce yet more negative results. As someone who can read something of the lines on the hand I've had to tread carefully in this direction myself. It's often not wise to say everything you see. It does, however, depend upon the subject. I knew one young lady who plainly told me she wanted me to tell her everything I saw in her hand no matter what. I saw her hand indicated that she might not be around much longer despite her being only middle aged. I didn't mention that, but she did. She said she felt she might be transiting in the not too distant future and did I see that. We then discussed life and death, and when I saw she was prepared and not at all worried about dying informed her that it looked to be quite possible and showed her where, pointing out that these things can, of course, always change, as the lines often do. She was quite contented that her feelings and intuition seemed confirmed and we had an enoyable time for the rest of the evening, and she thought no more about it. Another person I would never mention anything like that to. It just depends on the person. We're all different. In Samjase's case I think it could have been of utmost importance that she not know the near fatal accident was coming -- assuming it had to happen, which is not known -- in order to ensure the progress of their mission. Perhaps she had to be the type of person who didn't want to know her future. She would therefore be almost bound to have this opinion. Some people can be inspired by knowing their probable future and get over present problems with the knowledge that all will be well. This was the case with one person I met who had multiple attempts at suicide. She was literaly amazed and transformed when I could show her that her hand indicated if she could just hang on for just 1-2 years she could then have what seemed to be a pleasant and normal life for the rest of her life. Her biggest challenges were, it seemed, all to come in her youth, and somehow she had survived it to that date. It gave her the strength and inspiration to carry on, and now she does live that normal life. cpl | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 283 Registered: 08-2004 |
Explanation of terms: “Tsunami” comes from the Japanese “tsu” meaning port, and “nami” meaning wave. The word “tsunami” is found in Anthology of Myriad since around the seventh century in Japan and has been regarded as “a wave which assaults a port". Recently accepted into the English language “tsunami” is defined in The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary as: “A long high undulation or series of undulations of the surface of the sea caused by an earthquake or similar underwater disturbance, traveling at great speed and in shallow waters often building up enough height and force to flood the land. Also called seismic sea-wave...” They often look like an exceptionally rapid and unusually high, rising-tide. “Mega” meaning “great”, a mega-tsunami is a “great” tsunami, and the term is used to describe tsunami caused by partial mountain collapse, as these displace far more water and are immeasurably bigger than the ordinary tsunami caused by an earthquake or undersea subsidence. Up to 2001 there was no dictionary entry for "mega-tsunami" in my dictionaries. The term is used by current geologists and was used on the Discovery TV program "Mega-tsunami: Wave of Destruction" which defined it as "a tsunami caused by mountain collapse". The Wikipedia definition includes "wave of purification". An extract follows: "Megatsunamis are caused by a very large impact or landslide into a body of water when the water cannot disperse in all directions. For this reason, they are usually a highly localized effect, either occurring when the origin of a tsunami is extremely close to the shore, or in deep, narrow inlets, lakes or other water passages." Wikipedia's full defnition is at link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega-tsunami Best, cpl |
