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    Adysor Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 03-2008 |
Hi all, I don't know where to put this but I found something disturbing on internet about the Meier Case. This is not an attack, but I merely point out something that is going on. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread336632/pg1 It is about a guy that claims he had contacted one of the 6 forestry experts who commented on the authenticity of the trees in the photos and videos. His name is Prof. D. Hanley. Anyway I let you to read more. I would like to know if what he says is true. If not then can you direct me to the real claims of those experts and give those guys(and me) some proof ? Thanks. | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 08-2007 |
Adysor, This is the same guy who is debunked by Michael on theyfly.com Salome, - Matthew | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 367 Registered: 07-2004 |
Adysor, You need to decide for yourself. Watch the movie, read his translated materials, contemplate what is presented, and conclude in a logical process what YOU will agree with. Abovetopsecret, in my opinion, caters to all attitudes, as long as they are on the same page when it comes to trashing Billy. I stopped wasting time there a long time ago. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 633 Registered: 06-2000 |
Or Adysor , maybe you can camp on that guy's lawn for a week and help him with his chores ..... and he might share some of his secrets with you Mark Campbell | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 03-2008 |
Haha! I doubt he has a lawn.  | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 214 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Norm and Christian, Thanks for the information about Jaime Maussan. I recently learned from Michael that he now, is with Lee and Brit Elders, who, for some unknown reason, are not supporting the mission. They talk behind Michaels back. They even discouraged the realese of The Silent Revoulution of Truth. Michael tried to ask them what problems they had with him, but they just wouldnt say anything to him, they'll just talk behind his back. But, lets not forget the efforts of Lee and Brit Elders, they have contributed a lot to the mission. I dont know how things could go wrong now. Salome Aditya | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 286 Registered: 03-2007 |
Jonus: “Has anybody heard of Ekhart Tolle I've been reading his books and what he explains is based on the spiritual teachings or maybe not, about consciousness and living in the now and about our spiritual existence…<snip>??? Your thoughts.” Hi Jonus Eckhart Tolle’s ideas are nothing new. When I first read his book, The Power Of Now, I recognized the same material as being taught in the, “Be Here Now” workshops back in the eighties by Werner Erhard and est [Erhard Seminar Training and Latin for "it is"]. And Erhard got his ideas from Zen, particularly the writings of Alan Watts. From my own reading, I can tell you that the same ideas Tolle writes about, can also be found in the Sutras of Patanjali, as well as in the writings of Theravada Buddhism. Practitioners of Theravada have known about these principles for centuries. Ram Dass describes the finding of enlightenment by plunging yourself into the present, in his book, Be Here Now, published in 1971. Furthermore, the ideas Tolle discusses in Chapters 2 & 3 of his book, The New Earth, regarding “I” and the “ego” come right out of the book, I and Thou, by Martin Buber, published in 1923. I am not suggesting that Tolle is a plagiarist. But what Tolle has been successful at doing, is simply updating these ideas for a populist audience. His writing style and practical analogies seems to make the material more accessible. But evolution of the spirit is not about making hurt go away (the spirit doesn’t hurt, only the ego does). You will find that the Meir material goes much further in describing the cause and effect of the human condition. Freeing the mind of extraneous thoughts concerning the past and future and focusing your consciousness on the present, is a fundamental taught by Billy in his concentration exercises. But that is only scratching the surface. If you delve into it more deeply, you may see for yourself so much more. Regards Bob | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 373 Registered: 04-2006 |
That one was great Bob! It seems you are well versed about all those recent works and you have analized and reviewed them from a neutral perspective.One has to rigorously inform himself about the things he's going to criticize, and you did it.Well done.Now i'm going to plagiarize you.Lol | ||
Humanbeing New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2008 |
Hi Guys, I am new here but I have been following the Billy Meier case 2 years ago. I just Quit from my christian religion this year upon confirming the case is real, allow me to join you from Philippines. | ||
Jamesm Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 02-2006 |
Welcome Humanbeing! I like your username, its rather neutral, basic and descriptive enough. It would be pleasant to know your name though. I too was christened in a church with "holy" water poured on my forehead when I was about 8. I've never been devout although I've always thought there was a chance of a God existing in some form or another. That is until I read what Semjase said about religion and God: On religion: Religion is only a primitive machination by Man to command, suppress and exploit others, to which only life forms that are weak in their consciousness succumb. When Man indulges in his religions, i.e. malevolent, erroneous doctrines, his consciousness wastes away more and more and ultimately leads to a bottomless abyss. And on God: God is not Creation but only one of its creatures, like all creatures who are dependent upon Creation. A god is only a governor as well as a human being who powerfully or dictatorially reigns over his fellowmen. But Man follows his erroneous religious beliefs and claims that God is Creation itself. Man may recognise that a god can never assume the role of Creation or decide over Man's destiny. [Man] goes even further and [incorrectly] claims that a normal human being by the name of Jmmanuel, who has also been called Jesus Christ through conscious error, is God's son and Creation itself. This just makes complete sense to me. It appears truthful in a logical sense. Our religions are full of laughable beliefs and ideas anyway. Thats why scientists in general reject all religion. James G. T. Moore Webmaster www.futureofmankind.co.uk | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 635 Registered: 06-2000 |
Welcome Humanbeing ; I feel like I know you already . Kind regards , Caucasian Mark Campbell | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 219 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear All, This is an invitation to all by MICHAEL HORN. http://unexplainedevents.co.uk/ Please be there, if you can. All details are included. With a few surprises Salome Aditya | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 04-2007 |
love to, pay my ticket and im there They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 10-2007 |
I didn't see the date, but would like to know if I can go I have a few decisions to make. Corey harmonisches Funktionieren zu lernen | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 221 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Corey, The date is given, if you didnt see it, its on the 1st of june, on sunday. Salome Aditya | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 02-2008 |
There is something I want to say: My name is Reece, I’m a male, I’m from Queensland, Australia, I’m 17 years old on the 23rd of May, and since I was 15 I had noticed that the way the world is setup is not right. I also wanted to get to the bottom of things that are not known or understood by most people, and the first thing I searched for truth in was paranormal phenomenon such as ghosts, poltergeists etc. I watched every episode of Ghost Hunters from season 1 to 3 on YouTube to understand these things more. Then I searched for the truth about UFOs, and came to the conclusion that some are of extraterrestrial spaceships, which then made me then question the governments about this secrecy and also I now wondered about extraterrestrial life. I had many dreams about UFOs when I was 15. Unexpectedly; in May of 2007, from a YouTube video about Jim Sparks, I found out that I have had some type of contact with extraterrestrials throughout my life since I was 5 (because I also found out that an experience I had when I was 5, which I will probably write about later, was with an extraterrestrial... and until then I thought he was a ghost. But really I didn’t know what/who he was), and I think it has been examination contacts. This realisation really changed me, and I had such low knowledge about this that I really had to find out so much more stuff about E.Ts and also UFOs and other things. I had some fear about this because of me not understanding. Since I was 3 I had always loved videogames, and the first videogame console I ever got was a Super Nintendo Entertainment System when I was 4 for Christmas of 1994. The 2nd SNES game I ever got was called Super Mario Bros. 2: Yoshi’s Island and I have had so many wondrous, exciting, and fun times playing that game. And one of the best memories I have is when I first saw the ending cutscene of Yoshi’s Island. I thought it was absolutely excellent. Since my first day of pre-school, I always hated school, and still do. The “needing to do this” type of thing alienated me in pre-school. All through primary school I was always much more mature than anyone else which made me also not really like it because I never properly understood the way people acted. Of course I had friends, but it was just that it was like I never acted like how everyone else acted. I found primary school really easy and even though I didn’t pay attention a lot of times I got usually the best or second best marks in the class. I should say that I have had dreams of the future about once every month or two since I was 8 years old, and I know this because once when I was 8 I had been having dreams of the future and one night I had a dream of the future where I was walking downstairs, it was the afternoon, and my brother showed me a picture he drew of a house with crayons. I remembered this dream of the future and a few days later it happened and I confirmed in my mind that I have dreams of the future. Right now, I have them almost every night. As I got older my scoliosis became more and more noticeable, because I was born with one of the bones in my back fused with another which made me grow to have scoliosis. Throughout my life I had scoliosis checkups and I have gotten about 4 or 5 X-rays of my back. In October of 2007, I was really being affected by my scoliosis and the strain was on my mind constantly, everyday for months. I never said anything about this to my parents because I didn’t want to worry them, but I truthfully really needed help. And I knew that the E.Ts could fix my back, although I didn’t (and still don’t) know who they are. I think it was either a Friday or Saturday night in October; I went to bed and my back was aching, and I decided to try to contact the E.Ts. I had never tried to communicate telepathically before, and I do not know if I actually did, but anyway, I concentrated, and gave them my thoughts about how my back was, and that I would like to - but do not expect them to fix my back for me. Regardless if I really did communicate telepathically to them (which I do have some doubt about of course especially how to my knowledge it would have had to have been spiritual telepathy, which I have never read about regarding how to do it) it was at least coincidental because the next morning when I woke up my back was fixed. I woke up early, I think 5:50am, I felt as though I had a very good sleep, and I did not actually know that my back was fixed. I had a normal day (which was either Saturday or Sunday), but when I had gone outside late in the morning after having been on my computer for hours with a straight posture, I thought “hang on. Why aren’t I in pain?” and I straight away felt my back for my fused bone and it was no longer fused. I then frantically ran to the back door of the house and looked at my reflection in the window side-on and I noticed that my body was straightened. I was really happy and I then went inside and went to my room and I noticed that my body had also been realigned to be straight again because my scoliosis had caused my body to curve diagonally to the left. I remember the time was around 11:00am (probably a bit later though), and I looked out my window, thinking about the E.Ts and I looked at the sky, and after about 10 seconds of looking out the window I turned around again to face my room then as I began to walk over to my computer I saw an image in my mind of a cluster of stars. I at first thought I was just imagining it, but every time I closed my eyes I could see it, and it was really clear. I then analysed it and deliberately thought about something other than the stars I was seeing but I could still see them, so I came to the conclusion I was not making up that image in my mind. I counted the stars and I counted 7. I figured out it was the Pleiades star cluster, then I went over to my computer, went to www.wikipedia.org, searched for “Pleiades” and saw the image of the Pleiades in the article and it was the same stars I saw in my mind, then I briefly read through the article and when I scrolled to the bottom I found a part where “Pleiadeans” are mentioned, so I clicked on it, found out about Billy Meier, and over the months I was studying the Billy Meier case and I eventually got more and more knowledge and understood more and more things and I eventually joined the FIGU forum but before I joined these forums I had sent an email to FIGU already sort of explaining what I am typing here but with less detail and I still had less understanding about things and this was February of this year I think. I have also sent FIGU another email about a week ago talking about how my back was fixed and that email was written much more better than the first one I wrote because I understood much more things and I haven’t got a reply yet, and I have been thinking how I think I should let all this out so that is why I had decided to type what I just have right now. And I know that I don’t have the best English with what I have wrote but I just wrote this as I was thinking about what to write/type because of there being so much to type. I do have some questions that I do not expect to ever be answered, and they are: Who are the extraterrestrials who fixed my back? Why was the extraterrestrial in my room when I was 5? What was their purpose with me? Examination contacts? And of course I could have many more questions. And of course the reason why I would never expect these questions to be answered is because the only way for them to be answered is by extraterrestrials... and I don’t know if Billy or the Plejaren would have interest in finding that out. I don’t care that much about knowing those things though, but of course I in fact wouldn’t mind knowing those things. I don’t care about anyone believing me of course, and a big reason of why I have decided to say what I have is because my actual body is proof. I could get an X-ray of my back now and compare it to X-rays of my back when it was not fixed but I am too scared about the reaction the doctor would have. My family does not know anything about this, and the only people who do are 1 person from FIGU and two other people from youtube. And I think I also told Michael Horn about this in a youtube message months ago, and when I did it was at a time when my mind was full of thoughts about so many things. I don’t think he took much notice of the message though because of being busy, and I never replied because I truthfully thought that it is alright if he forgot about the messages because they were of such extreme things that were going on in my mind. Some of the messages I sent him were about area 51 videos I had come across showing aliens... but I soon found out they were fake. I almost forgot to say what the E.T looked like that night when I was 5, so I will say what he looked like: It was a “he” (at least I thought so), he looked like a human, and probably was, but I don’t know, it was almost pitch black but I could see him, it was like he was luminous white (thus me thinking he was a ghost), he was holding an object in his right hand that looked like a small closed umbrella, and it was a hot night and because of the blackout (which I think was caused by them) my fan was off, and I wanted it to turn back on, and he walked over to my fan and tapped it with his object which made a spark and a “ting” noise and my fan turned on for about 10 minutes. I’ll type about this night later but I will say that the next morning, which was a Monday morning, I asked my dad “when did the blackout end last night” and he replied “there was no blackout”. By the way I just want to let everyone know that this is a big thing for me to share and I don't know what is going to happen after me posting this message... Salome, Reece Reece Stiller | ||
Socrates Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 07-2007 |
Reece, There is much information to be shared with you if indeed what you speak is true. Contact me with any of the following, I won't be online today until 6pm EST MSN: paintball271@tonal.org AIM: paintball271 Email: neal@tonalweb.org | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 368 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Reece, Your correct in saying it is a big thing. Because I don't know you I will only offer a few simple suggestions. The claims you make are extraordinary and these kind of claims require solid proof to protect yourself from any accusations that may not be from an accepting viewpoint. It will benefit you greatly if you could acquire as much physical evidence as possible to back up your statements. You owe it to yourself to begin gathering actual documentation regarding your change of health overnight. If all you say is in fact reality and you can prove these things you'll have a much better time when questioned about these claims. Spend the time protecting yourself before exposing what are considered highly unrealistic situations, though not impossible, regardless if they are true or not. One question I have is, why do you ask who are these E.T.'s, when you believe that they come from the Pleiades. Everyone on this forum knows that the Plejaren come from the direction of the Pleiades. So don't you already believe that it would have to be them? My understanding, if I was in your situation, would be to believe that assumption. But I'm not you, and that's why I'm asking this clarification. a friend in america Shawn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 194 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Reece, In Peace, Truly an amazing account of the healing of your scoliosis. I suggest that you absolutely should go see your doctor. He will keep your account confidential. Or, without revealing these details, simply ask the doctor to examine your back. Especially ask for an X-Ray or an MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imagery) to verify the healing. THEN ask for COPIES of the images and the Radiologist reports for your own files/records. As to your communications with the E.T.s, it appears they have an interest in you and your progress in this life. Having already made interactive telepathic connection, you could ask THEM to give you information = who they are, where they are from, and why they are interested in you. That may begin a very useful education for you in the course of your life. Salome Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU? J_rod7 | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 02-2008 |
Kingman, I have doubt in them being Plejaren because it seems to be too secretive to be them. Socrates, I'll add you on MSN soon. I got a reply from FIGU this morning and this is it: "Dear Reece Thank you for your E-mail and your interest in the field of FIGU. I am happy to have an E-mail from Australia. My name is Christian Krukowski and I am helping with correspondence, too, beside in free time. I am member of FIGU, too. It is not easy to answer what happened that time really. All we know is that there is no human in contact with extraterrestrials like this or any others. The Plejaren told Billy that he is the only person on earth which has really contact because of is mission and history. Only Billy is able, of his evolution, too, to have real contacts, Specially with the Plejaren. The other thing is, that you concentrate or create that whole contact in you imagination with your own thoughts and ideas in your mind. So I think it must be something in yourself only, because you must understand that this happens mostly to many people, too. Please stay in reality by searching the true facts. To see flying objects is possible, but many are secret flying objects from earth. To see an real spaceship, is very seldom. Best regards Christian Krukowski" This makes me think that the Plejaren probably are not aware of whatever it is that has happened to me? Or that all of what happened including my back being fixed is apparently something I did myself in my own mind? I nervously thought about everything after reading that email and my conclusion is that it doesn't make sense if this was all done by myself. Reece Stiller | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 02-2008 |
I will write about that night when I was 5, but before I do I want to say that the main reason why I am writing/typing about this stuff is because I just want to get this out and finally come to a conclusion or finally find out what it is that has happened with me and the E.Ts. To my knowledge I think it is that I've had examination contacts. I do not know why an E.T was in my room and house on that night and I do not know anything about the E.Ts, I've never had any memories of being inside a U.F.O or anything, nothing has ever happened to me (besides my back being fixed), and the reason how I actually found out that I have had examination contacts or whatever it is/was, is from a YouTube video about Jim Sparks. This is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtQ-aBSWZY0 I had watched all the parts and I was shocked because experiences he had described about waking up at night and rising up out of bed and hearing that "whoosh" noise is exactly what I had experienced at around my 16th birthday (close to that date). There was one night last year in May where I woke up in the middle of the night, was tired and I decided to roll over and go back to sleep, but I suddenly heard a whoosh sound and I couldn't move, and I thought if it was a dream but I knew it wasn't because I was fully conscious and I didn't actually know what was happening, and I tried to move but I couldn't and I started to rise up out of my bed and as I got closer to the ceiling the whoosh sound became louder and louder and I thought that I love my family because I thought I was being abducted by E.Ts and didn't know what was going to happen and then the noise got extremely loud in my head and I became overwhelmed by something and the next thing I knew I was back in bed and I felt sort of dizzy for about 2 seconds and I was in a different position than what I was in before it all happened and I was a bit disturbed and I looked at the time and it was 2:00am. And I don't know what time it was before I had gotten pulled up. I then went back to sleep. And something else: I went onto Jim-Sparks' website which is http://www.jim-sparks.com/ and the image he has for his "Links" hyperlink is the same symbol I have on my right leg. I can take a photo of this if anyone wants and I had actually already showed FIGU a photo of the symbol on my leg in the 1st email I sent them in February, but they just thought it was a birth mark. However, I don't think they went on the Jim Sparks website and saw the image of link hyperlink though. At the very least, it is quite a coincidence. And the white beings that Jim Sparks calls "The Keepers" could be who I saw that night when I was 5. And also, in January of this year, one morning when I woke up, I had my air conditioner on all night and my windows and doors were obviously closed for this and on my window there was a drawing of two beings that had been drawn on my window from the fog. One was the same kindof being from what Jim Sparks calls "The keepers" and he had his right hand up waving. The other drawing was another being next to him. I just stood there looking at my window for about 5 minutes then I went downstairs and was just going to go to the toilet then come back up with a camera but when I got back upstairs the windows were no longer foggy because I stuffed up when I turned my air conditioner off and opened my door. The fog went away. Because of all those things my best guess is that the beings who do (or really, "did" because nothing has happened since that time in January) the examination contacts (which is what I rhink it was) with me. That mark on my leg has not always been there. The first time I noticed it on my leg was when I was either 4 or 5 because I specifically remember a time when I was outside in my backyard playing with little rocks and pebbles, and suddenly I felt as though something happened but I don't know what it was and I didn't think anything of it because I was still sitting in my backyard again, but it was like I had no memory before that point and I looked at my right leg which was an unusual thing to do and I saw that mark on my leg and I thought "what is it?" because I knew that it had never been there before. I will take some photos of my leg now... http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1297/81831189xl9.jpg http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9502/94266255ny9.jpg http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7798/bigpictureht9.jpg And the symbol from Jim Sparks' stie: http://www.jim-sparks.com/p4t.jpg I have not got into any of Jim Sparks' material and I do not know that much about him. All I have done is watched those youtube videos and been to his website. I will type out that experience when I was 5 later, because I need a bit of a break. I just want to know if Billy Meier and the Plejaren already know about what it is that has happened with me because surely they would actually already know? And as yous may realise I had went through a lot of things and I do not care about all of what I have typed being true or not, but I just want to know what the truth is, because of how much weirdness that has happened. Salome, Reece. Reece Stiller | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1470 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Reece, To be honest, I think it would make a person more nervous being abducted by aliens, than by having some sort of spontaneous healing. After listening to some of the Jim Sparks dialouge, he sounds like many people who in the 80's and 90's claiming all sorts of abduction contacts, but in reality, many have over active imaginations etc...in addition now Mr. Sparks is making money off of his "experience", like Mr. Whitley Strieber, in his book series...I would suggest you read the article "Contact Delusions" in FIGU Bulletin #2 http://us.figu.org/portal/Documents/tabid/114/Default.aspx Regards Scott | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 229 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hi Reece, Why doesn't the possibility that all that has happened to you, has been generated/created in your mind sound logical or add up to you? |
