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    Hunter Member Post Number: 293 Registered: 03-2004 |
9/11: Press for Truth Guys, this is another MUST SEE documentary on 9/11 - proves everything the Plejarens have said. http://www.911pressfortruth.com | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1018 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Hunter.... Yes, seems like a very interesting documentary and Must See! And as Billy said, that we must keep on digging for ourselves, till the Facts and Definite Proof is acquired and be presented to the Mass. "If there is no proof...you have no case", as they say. Thus, the Plejarans can mentioned the technical side of the matter, but the theoretical side(Plot) and finally (Material) Proof, must be acquire by Man, himself. Edward. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 140 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Edward, What was the explanation of the technical side of the twin towers falling that the Plejarens gave? I never seen it. The only thing I remember is Billy saying that explosives were deliberately brought onto the planes, but he never said who it was - the terrorists or the US. I still find it hard to believe that the towers came down because of explosives brought onto the planes. I watched all the 911 conspiracy videos and are convinced that they came down due to explosives planted throughout the buildings. The buildings seem to have definitely only been possible to come down in that fashion. I still think Billy and the P's are deliberately holding back info on that one, for whatever reason, possibly to let us work it out for ourselves, like MH had said once. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1020 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Alan.... Well, as far as I can remember, Billy did say that the Impact of the Planes...did cause the Imploding of the towers.[inclusive: liquid explosives already on board.] NO, Billy never said Directly. I guess, it would indeed be a 'combination' of your both mentioned. Al Qaida, just being - Conditioned - into executing the act...and the Exploitation of the Bush Administration, in collaboration with the CIA....etc. [so that they can execute their so-called: War Against Terror] Thus: it makes the Bush Administration and Co., just as - Guilty - as those whom executed, the act. As far as I know: Billy said there was no explosives implanted into the buildings. [but I understand your point of view, though] But with the knowledge, which I gathered from the 70ties when it was still in construction, there was at that time....a sort of 'race', if you will whom would build the Highest buildings and the Fastest. There was - Competition -; I watched as much documentaries of this in those days. And my conclusion was: it will not bear positive fruit! And knowing that the Twin Towers...were not really adequately built: the Skeleton Beam Structure was Not of top quality, as I understood. It had to be build as 'cheap' as it can be! And it was said, that the builds could withstand any type of plane...when impacted. Which was not the case, as we can acknowledge. If they were built with incorporation with 'cement': They would still stand today. You summon it correctly: It is Mans own Destiny and Labor, to find out all the Facts as they truly are. Edward. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 06-2006 |
Edward, are you certain that Billy said that there was NO explosives planted throughout the buildings? Explosives would be the only logical explaination that I can see with my limited understanding that could cause all that concrete to be pulverized into fine dust. It couldn't have been attributed from the pancake theory. As one of the psychists said, if you dropped a lump of concrete from a height of one floor, or even ten, it doesn't explode/turn into dust. It just doesn't happen. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 427 Registered: 03-2004 |
You are somewhat correct Alan but if you drop concrete to the ground then drop tons more on top, it does turn to dust. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1022 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Alan.... Well, let me summon it in this manner: Billy never mentioned the possibility of the buildings containing explosives. If this would be the case, Billy would have said so.[as Christian would say] This is Billy's answer to a question to Jo_jo... Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 12:25 am: Answer The main reason for the towers to crash down was the extreme heat that let the metal structure melt. As far as Billy knows the explosives on the plane were in liquid form, but he does not know how the explosives were brought on the planes. Yes, high levels of the US Government knew about the project, but on the one hand did not take it serious or on the other hand had the idea, that such an attack would deliver them cause to start a worldwide war against terrorism, including actions against issues that had nothing to do with terrorism. They were playing with fire. Thus, this was my conclusion also. Because of the POOR Skeleton Beam Structure of the buildings, which I mentioned in the previous posting. Edward. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 06-2006 |
Thomas I don't believe it would turn into that much fine dust. Another thing is what was the mechanism that caused debri of the WTC, one piece of wall weighing around 30 tons to be catapulted sideways and imbedding itself in another buildings wall that was across the street? Edward perhaps thats all that Billy knew of the incident. Maybe the P's didn't want to tell him anymore than that or else it may put his life or the mission in jeapody. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 429 Registered: 03-2004 |
OK Alan, you have your belief, which may or may not align with the truth. I will just add that if you have made up your mind, then it is closed to the many possible truths that you and I are not aware of. :-) | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1032 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Alan... I do understand your point of view....though. Have had those thoughts, also. Well, like in many other aspects, concerning with Billy and FIGU; Christian did mentioned a number of times already, that what you presumed: would be Irrelevant. Thus, we either take his word or not? Edward. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 144 Registered: 06-2006 |
Thomas I can very well say the same for you with your belief, which i think is based on readily accepting what Billy says as being the TOTAL truth, without researching or thinking about the matters he speaks of yourself. There are so MANY things about the wtc buildings collapse that DON'T fit in with the explanation that Billy gave for the main cause of collapse which was explosives brought onto the planes. One of them was the lobby of the towers being blown out with explosives ages before the towers came down. I seen all the 911 doco's. I seen the footage of the lobby carnage before they collapsed and I heard the many variety of eyewitnesses say about witnessing the explosion in the lobby. And I also heard all the other witnesses (police, fire, ect) close to the towers say about hearing explosions going off all over the place. How do you explain that if it was as Billy says was just the explosives in the planes that brought the towers down??? And so many other things too! And where did Billy say there were no explosives in the buildings to help bring them down? | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 145 Registered: 06-2006 |
And another thing Thomas. Consider this and see if this fits in with what Billy is saying. Technically, there were TWO collapses in each of the towers and not ONE. The first one was the collapse of the floors above where the planes had it, and the second was the floors below that. And the first collapse could be what Billy is referring too, and leaving the rest for us to work out for ourselves. We all know Billy is a master with words and also how he and the P's works too with regards to not wanting to give us out truth as if it were chicken feed. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 321 Registered: 07-2004 |
A bit of info to help the questioning of whether the explosives "brought down" the buildings or not. Thermate, a brother of thermite, is a highly incendiary metal melting compound. It's not considered an explosive, yet it acts extremely fast, just not in an explosive form. It cuts through any thickness steel like a hot knife through butter. All the early documented explosions would not have been enough to collapse the buildings in a complete fashion. What would have brought the building down would be enough supporting beams cut at angles to allow the building to shift off its vertical support and allow simultaneous floors to collapse and create a free fall event. This was a free fall event. Hi Edward, You quote this statement, "As far as Billy knows the explosives on the plane were in liquid form," Jet fuel is a liquid form of explosives( as a potential ). Just add enough oxygen and what goes from being a liquid flammable( jet fuel ), to an explosive element is created. "Because of the POOR Skeleton Beam Structure of the buildings(why it collapsed), which I mentioned in the previous posting." That's my input between the (...). Where are you getting this info? This building was supported by a MASSIVE CORE BEAM structure( skeletal as we are designed ) that was based in the center of the building. The outer structure was not part of the buildings main/base support. There's plenty of pictures of the buildings as they were being built and the architecture as I describe is clearly visible. The building was designed to go beyond the required safety needs legislated by the building codes at that time. A direct hit by a fully loaded 707 jet( in fact the designer stated it could withstand several direct hits with this jet design ) could be safely absorbed by the building and remain standing. One building was not hit directly and the majority of it's jet fuel was ejected in a fireball outside the building. What does that do to the theory? Billy's explanation is very simplistic and doesn't go into elaboration... that's always a clue for us to look deeper for ourselves. He crafts his responses for those who can only deal with the facts as the public hears them, so that they can maintain their sanity and are left with their right to decide and continue with their will still intact. He also leaves it open for those who need the complete story to dig up on their own what is, " the rest of the story ". Billy is a very, very wise man and we should try an always think like a wise person. That doesn't mean to automatically accept what appears to be all the truth. Billy wishes for us to think for ourselves. REPEAT, Billy wishes for us to think for ourselves. Take apart what he says in anyway you can, ponder all the different sub conclusions you acquire, and use logic to find the answers. He does it like this because he knows the answers are readily available with a little effort. And let's never forget building WTC 7. A virtually silent( in demolition terms ) free fall that was announced before it collapsed. This is the true smoking gun. Quote from Larry Silverstein(Billion dollar insured owner of buildings, insured even if attacked by terrorists) , "...we decided to 'pull' the building..." Do you need more info? I have mountains I have found with little effort. Research what you find like your life depends on an accurate answer, and if you persist, then you'll get the real facts. Why would you ever believe the "Official Story" when they don't even address any of the most important questions? a friend in america Shawn | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 430 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Alan, I don't want to seem pushy or argumentative, but what you said EXACTLY points to what happened as far as one floor collapsing on the next below it. THAT is what caused the tremendous crushing forces that pulverized the building. Think about it, these builds are set to withstand a good bit above there normal loads for safety. But if one ENTIRE floor collapses suddenly on top of the one below it, and they both collapse onto the ones below that, etc etc, then the inertia behind all that mass is easily enough to explain in normals terms why the buildings were turned too dust. Also remember that concrete is nothing more than dust (of a special kind of course) compacted into a specific form until the water leaves it, causing it to form a binding structure. It's like if you have a brick. The brick is tough and hard, but brittle to a degree. A sudden shock can fragment that brick, and if enough other bricks fall onto it from a great height, dust will be a large portion of the aftermath. You see what I mean? :-) | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 431 Registered: 03-2004 |
Who said that I believe BEAM Alan? I am using common sense even though I do TEND toward thinking BEAM is the real deal. One of my friends here on the forum can vouch to my tearing my hair out at times over the spirit lessons and trying to find the absolute truth for myself. You are making an assumption about me without just cause. I just happen to agree with BEAM in this case because it makes perfect, logical sense... | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 146 Registered: 06-2006 |
"Thermate, a brother of thermite, is a highly incendiary metal melting compound. It's not considered an explosive, yet it acts extremely fast, just not in an explosive form. It cuts through any thickness steel like a hot knife through butter. All the early documented explosions would not have been enough to collapse the buildings in a complete fashion. What would have brought the building down would be enough supporting beams cut at angles to allow the building to shift off its vertical support and allow simultaneous floors to collapse and create a free fall event. This was a free fall event." Hi Shawn, I agree too that thermite must have been used to bring down the towers. There was plenty of evidence to support that. You've probably already seen these pics that were taken shortly after the collapse, but will post them in case others haven't.    "is what caused the tremendous crushing forces that pulverized the building. Think about it, these builds are set to withstand a good bit above there normal loads for safety. But if one ENTIRE floor collapses suddenly on top of the one below it, and they both collapse onto the ones below that, etc etc, then the inertia behind all that mass is easily enough to explain in normals terms why the buildings were turned too dust. Also remember that concrete is nothing more than dust compacted into a specific form until the water leaves it, causing it to form a binding structure. It's like if you have a BRICK. The brick is tough and hard, but brittle to a degree. A sudden shock can fragment that brick, and if enough other bricks fall onto it from a great height, dust will be a large portion of the aftermath. You see what I mean?" Thomas that brick theory/example your using there is wrong/flawed. You can't use bricks as an example/replacement for the concrete in the WTC towers. Your example is overlooking one important factor. All the concrete supporting beams, columns, and walls and floors that was in the towers had all heavy duty steel INSIDE them, and will stop any or most concrete from being completely crushed and pulverized to dust. Thats why your brick theory/example is wrong. Thats why I think the collapse simply shouldn't have caused that much dust like what we saw that day. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 325 Registered: 07-2004 |
If I may Thomas The floors didn't collapse one on top of another. They free fell. To collapse on top of another in succession would require the buildings to take at least a minute or two to fully deconstruct. 10 or 11 seconds was the actual time for the buildings to fall. At the conclusion of the collapse you may be able to say they were one on top of another The pulverization of building materials was most likely due to the height and tremendous weight. Interestingly all the vertical steel beams were snapped into 30 foot sections which was the perfect length to quickly load onto trucks with little fuss. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1035 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Shawn.... I just want to be Simple about this. I can only say: Future results of the mentioned...will clarify WHAT really DID happen! And as Billy said: it is MAN for himself....to Find Out, what really DID happened! Which I fully agree with. Everyone...their OWN opinion...on it! And this we should Respected! Edward. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 147 Registered: 06-2006 |
Well said Shawn! The dark smooth coloration on the edge of this thick steel beam clearly indicates that it was cut with extremely high intense heat, such as a welders oxy torch. Thermite does exactly the same thing. No possible way could that steel beam have broken off on that straight angle, and if it did, there is no explanation which could explain those typical oxy cut marks where it was cut. Anyone who has ever used an oxy blow torch to cut a piece of metal knows that is what it looks like at the cut.  | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 330 Registered: 07-2004 |
Yes our opinions should always be respected. And basic physics as well. We're best served when we can use provable obvious facts for our opinions. When I state that free fall is about 9 seconds if measured from the height of the twin towers to the ground, that is a provable fact. You will not have fun by denying this basic physical fact. Clear video shows the buildings falling into their footsteps at virtually that rate(10-11 secs). Opinions aren't part of that fact. Respect is the two-way street few these days travel on. Look at our president, he touts the divine intervention theory and panders to what equals to a one-way street of theologizing faithfuls. Any opinion means we have one more person willing to look at the situation, that is a good thing. We don't need to absorb opinions when they aren't based on our best, provable science available. There was an old TV series where one of the two main detectives would say to the prospective witness, "Just the basic facts ma'am". They knew that if you stick to the basics the truth will emerge. Those buildings free fell= Fact Start there and you will surely be closer to the truth than the official story. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Taoofjeet New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2006 |
The details of the event are important, But when the elite hide behind the well funded vale of deciete, we should not expect to know all the minute details. What is plane as day to see years after the fact is there intent. The new world order was born on sept 11th. This was there motive, we must think ahead of them, hundreds of concentration camps(around 20 in southern california were i live). A train system that can hold 5 million people, every seat has shackles. They are spraying us with chemicals using passenger air jets( chem trails). They have millions scratch that, billions buying into there eugenics programs, all the while thinking it is for there own good. I have never left the country and i very proud of what the country was set up to stand for, but for the first time in my life i want to leave i want to live a simplier lifestyle, among nature. The chaos is inevitable, a system cannot reorganize when it is balanced there would be no need, this earth system is far from balance so we must be shown that it is not working. I do not want to expeirence those harsh times here in the belly of the beast , so i am trying to move to a more balanced location, I have no college degrees and no real capital it will be fun! billy gives me hope by seeing what he did in his younger years how he moved around the planet | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 287 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hello Taoofjeet, Welcome to the FIGU forum! I'm guessing that you are a Bruce Lee fan. I read that book, too. Do you have a common name you don't mind us using to refer to you by? Regards Bob | ||
Taoofjeet New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2006 |
Thank u for the warm welcome, Matthew is my name | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 08-2007 |
Rupert Sheldrake, famous for his theory of formative causation (I think I might call it imaging causation or "Bildungverursachung" using Arahat Athersata's Sanskrit-like form of German), the implications of which are already exploited by the CIA, Mossad, KGB, and Yakuza, among others, was nearly murdered during a lecture in New Mexico, a very D.U.M.B. place, if you know what I mean. Lecturer Stabbed At The La Fonda Hotel "A lecture at a historic Santa Fe hotel turns into a crime scene when a man rushes the stage and stabs the speaker Wednesday. Dr. Rupert Sheldrake was a guest speaker at a conference on how to better understand our lives and co-exist. He was then attacked by Hirano Kazuki who stabbed him in the upper leg. People attending the lecture were curious who Kazuki was, noting he was not part of the group. Those nearby Dr. Sheldrake jumped into action within seconds and applied pressure to the wound. Police say Kazuki was trying to stab Dr. Sheldrake in the chest when he tripped and got him in the leg instead." Salome, - Matthew | ||
Taoofjeet New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2006 |
Matthew Are you familiar with dr. deagles work | ||
Getknowledge Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 04-2008 |
HAARP May 30, 2008 China Orders Strike Against US For Catastrophic Earthquake By: Sorcha Faal, as reported to her Western Subscribers Russian Foreign Ministry reports are stating today the Prime Minister Putin’s ‘sudden’ diplomatic trip to France was made at the behest of China’s President Hu in order to ‘warn’ the European Union not to become involved with the US following what is widely expected to be a ‘retaliatory strike’ against the United States, and who the Chinese military has blamed for the catastrophic May 12th earthquake that has killed nearly 90,000 human beings... Chinese and Russian Military scientists, these reports say, are concurring with Canadian researcher, and former Asia-Pacific Bureau Chief of Forbes Magazine, Benjamin Fulford, who in a very disturbing video released from his Japanese offices to the American public, details how the United States attacked China by the firing of a 90 Million Volt Shockwave from the Americans High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) facilities in Alaska... So powerful was this Shockwave, Britain’s Times Online News Service is reporting that the entire atmosphere over the Chinese earthquake zone became mysteriously changed 30 minutes prior to the 8... Russian scientists are further speculating that the United States strike against China was ‘exactly timed’ to coincide with the dangerous experiments ongoing at Large Hadron Collider for the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), and which we had previously reported on in our May 13th report titled “CERN ‘Nailed Heart Of Earth’ With China Quake, Chilean Volcano” Russian Military Analysts note that though China’s Military has ordered its vast submarine fleet to ‘disperse’ throughout the Pacific Ocean, the Chinese ‘attack’ against the United States would, most likely, take a form of economic warfare instead of an actual clashing of forces... More disturbing, however, in these reports is China’s urging of both Syria and Turkey not to allow more water into mighty rivers of the Euphrates and Tigris, which the Iraqis are warning are running dry due to the severe drought in that war-torn Nation... The importance of this latest move by China is the newly signed Defense Pact signed between Iran and Syria which would allow Chinese Military Forces permission to use Iranian territory to come to the aid of Syria... It should be further noted that the Christian Bibles New Testament Book of Revelations (Chapter 16, Verse 12) prophesied that the Euphrates will dry up in preparation for the Battle of Armageddon and would be crossed by an Eastern Army of 200 million soldiers, of which in our World today only China is able to field and have the ability to reach by land alone... As the United States and China battle for their very survival in a World becoming increasing volatile due to the rapidly growing shortages of both food and fuel, one does indeed wonder if the End Times are now upon us all... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecLwVgvvTvU | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1478 Registered: 12-1999 |
I wonder if it is possible for HAARP to generate the type of effect needed to set off an earthquake?...It would be interesting to know if HAARP was active during the period prior to the earthquake? | ||
Trevor Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 05-2007 |
Scott, China and Russia believe (or know) that it is possible. That is enough isn't it? Also I doubt if they would come out with such claims against the US without knowing or doing any research on the matter to see/know if indeed it is possible. Personally I wouldn't put anything past the Big Bad US of A! (I hope that last bit isn't edited out because after all it IS the Truth) | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 05-2008 |
What creedence do you all give speculation of an August attack on Iran? Or are they just floating the story to check public opinion? http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JE28Ak01.html | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1479 Registered: 12-1999 |
Trevor, You have a similar writing style as another person on this forum. I have never edited out "Big Bad US of A" from you, so why would you say that?.....and I notice the other person has stopped posting currently...just curious... Scott | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 10-2007 |
(article found in the "Scientific American Feb 2008) The CERN labratories international collider itself is massive, gathering data at up to 20 nanosecond intervals about the collisions that occur in the standard model of physics into a global network of computers traveling up to 10 gigabit per second intervals to the 6 ovservational states (Japan, Russia, China, EU, US, Canada) and two more colliders are currently being built in Japan and US. Not only are many of the observational states also partaking in the ISS, but two more colliders are being built (ILC's) in Japan and the US. It's work to get beyond the standard model of physics and delve into hidden, broken, magnetic spatial, and elektroweak symmetries is interesting, although barbaric it may bring about some needed developments but the wish to experiement with nuetrinos makes me worry. As for the HAARP I must say it did seem very out of place considering the olympics and suddenly a big earthquake happened (US jealousy?) Billy states (if I listened correctly) in his CD "Mensch der Erde höre" that despotismus comes from the human Angst (brief summary) itself and thus the humanbeing himself is responsible for terrorism, dictatorships, murder and death which possibly makes the argument to learn German to read the meditation books (and the CD) to counteract. Salome Corey harmonisches Funktionieren zu lernen | ||
Trevor Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 05-2007 |
Scott if you feel my last post is inappropiate, don't allow it to go through, I don't mind. I was just answering your question was all. Trevor, Yes I read your post, but thought it would be better if this was kept between us. If you want to correspond by e-mail that would be ok. Regards Scott | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 405 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello everyone, Since this is the first day of the Olympics 2009 I thought I would share with you something I read a few years ago in Billy's book “Prophecies and Predictions“. Below you will find my unofficial and unauthorized translation... Prophetien und Voraussagen KONTAKT 115 vom 19.10.1978 P105 Semjase: 121. Doch jetzt möchte ich dir die anderen Belange erklären und dich noch fragen, ob du auch Berechnungen angestellt hast bezüglich der Olympischen Spiele im Jahre 1980, von denen ein Teil in Russland ausgetragen werden soll? Semjase: 121. However, I would like now to explain you the other affairs and will also ask you whether you have done the calculations with regard to the Olympic games in 1980 by which a part should be held in Russia? Billy: Nein; warum, hätte ich das tun sollen? Billy: No; why? Should I have done this? Semjase: 122. Nein, es wäre nur interessant gewesen für dich, und zudem hätte ich mir einige Erklärungen ersparen können. Semjase: 122. No, it would have only been interesting for you, and besides I could have saved myself some explanations. Billy: Nein, ich habe mich damit nicht beschäftigt. Ich hätte nicht gewusst, warum ich das hätte tun sollen. Diese Spiele sind doch nicht so sehr von Wichtigkeit, als dass sie auf die kommende Weltlage einen massgebenden Einfluss haben könnten, oder? Die Olympia¬e ist doch eine unpolitische Angelegenheit und wurde auch schon in dieser Form ins Leben gerufen. Billy: No, I have not dealt with it. I would not have known why I should have done this. Nevertheless, these games are not so much of importance, as that they could have an authoritative influence on the coming international situation, or? The Olympic Games are an apolitical affair and were also brought to life in this form. ... P106 Semjase: 123. Deine Ausführungen bezüglich diesen Belangen sind erstaunenswert genau, doch in einer Hinsicht täuschst du dich sehr. Semjase: 123. Your realizations with regard to these affairs are astonishingly precise, however, in one regard you are very much mistaken. 124. Die Olympischen Spiele sind leider vor vielen Jahrzehnten in das Räderwerk der Politik der irdischen Regierungen geraten, und erstmals wird dies im Jahre 1980 weltoffen zum Ausdruck gebracht werden. 124. Unfortunately, the Olympic Games have been in the mechanism of politics of the earthly governments since many decades, and for the first time this will be expressed openly in 1980. Billy: Das darf doch nicht wahr sein. Etwa wegen dem, dass der Einmarsch der russischen Armee Ende 1979 stattfinden wird? Billy: That cannot be true! (or You cannot be serious!) Possibly because of the invasion of the Russian army will take place in the end of 1979? Semjase: 125. Du bist sehr klug und denkst sehr schnell. Semjase: 125. You are very clever and think very fast. 126. Sicher, dies wird der Grund sein. 126. Certainly, this will be the reason. ... P117 Billy: Dann habe ich noch eine Frage: Wenn ich 1980 meine Aktion gegen die Olympia-Boykottierung starte, wird diese dann von Erfolg sein? Billy: Then I have one more question: If I begin in 1980 my action against the Olympia-Boycott, will this be a success? Semjase: 392. Im grossen und ganzen, ja. Semjase: 392. On the whole, yes. 393. Es wird dein und deiner Gruppe Verdienst sein, dass die Olympia-Spiele weiterhin bestehen und eines Tages antipolitisiert werden. 393. It will be of your and your group contribution that the Olympic Games exist furthermore and are anti-politicised one day. 394. Dabei wird es jedoch so sein, dass du als eigentlicher Initiator in der Weltöffentlichkeit in dieser Beziehung wenigstens vorderhand keine Achtung und keinen Dank ernten wirst, denn es wird verschwiegen werden, dass allein durch deine Initiative die Olympia-Idee weiterbestehen und weiter ausgeübt werden wird. 394. Nevertheless, it will be in such a way that you will at least in this respect get no attention and no thanks as the real initiator in the world population, because it will be hid that only by your initiative the Olympia's idea will continue to exist and be carried out further. 395. Die massgebenden Verantwortlichen der Staaten und Sportverbände aller Länder werden alles so hinstellen, als ob ihr Entscheid der ihre wäre. 395. The authoritative persons responsible of the states and sports federations of all countries will put everything in such a way, as if the decision was theirs. 396. Wahrheitlich jedoch handeln sie gemäss deiner Aktion, wenn die Zeit dafür reif geworden ist. 396. However truly, they will act according to your action if the time has become ripe for it. 397. Dass sie jedoch zugestehen, ihren bejahenden Entschluss zur Teilnahme an der Olympiade allein durch deine Aktion gefällt zu haben, dazu sind sie zu sehr von sich selbst eingenommen. 397. The fact that they admit having liked their affirming decision to the participation in the Olympic Games only by your action, in addition they are taken too much by themselves. 398. Eine Eingenommenheit, von der sie profitieren und sich gross sehen wollen. 398. A discrimination from which they want to profit and feel great. Billy: Das ist im Grunde genommen doch egal. Wichtig ist doch nur, dass die Spiele abgehalten und durchgeführt werden. Billy: This basically makes no difference. It is only important that the games are held and are carried out. Semjase: 399. Trotzdem ist es sehr bedauerlich, dass die Verantwortlichen in diesem Fall den Ruhm für sich in Anspruch nehmen wollen. Semjase: 399. Nevertheless, it is very unfortunate that the persons responsible want to claim in this case the fame/glory for themselves. 400. Doch dies wird sich noch ändern, denn die Zukunft besagt, dass du einmal öffentlich als Retter der Olympia-ldee genannt werden wirst... 400. However, this will still change, because the future says that you will be identified publicly as the rescuer of the Olympic-ldea... ---- PS: Sorry for any grammatical mistakes Salome, Badr | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 05-2008 |
Badr, will that recognition of Billy as rescuer of the Olympic-Idea, come in Billy's lifetime? | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 406 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Earthling, Semjase didnt mention when. But I have given it some thought and came to the conclusion that it could happen in two possible ways. Either whoever used his idea to eventually mention the true source of the so called action, or that it would happen when the majority of earth humans know that Billy is the new age prophet, and read it in the contact notes. Salome, Badr | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 04-2006 |
What action did Billy take with regard to the olympics of 1980 or what was his idea to help? Thanks, Matt | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 407 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Redbeard, I actually never investigated the details, just remembered reading it. I searched the Bulletins but nothing there, will post here if I do come across something. Salome, Badr | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 05-2008 |
Any opinions on the current Russian/Georgian conflict regarding the WW3 prophecy? http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1358 "Georgian tanks and infantry, aided by Israeli military advisers, captured the capital of breakaway South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, early Friday, Aug. 8, bringing the Georgian-Russian conflict over the province to a military climax. Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin threatened a “military response.” Last year, the Georgian president commissioned from private Israeli security firms several hundred military advisers, estimated at up to 1,000, to train the Georgian armed forces in commando, air, sea, armored and artillery combat tactics. They also offer instruction on military intelligence and security for the central regime. Tbilisi also purchased weapons, intelligence and electronic warfare systems from Israel. These advisers were undoubtedly deeply involved in the Georgian army’s preparations to conquer the South Ossetian capital Friday. In recent weeks, Moscow has repeatedly demanded that Jerusalem halt its military assistance to Georgia, finally threatening a crisis in bilateral relations. Israel responded by saying that the only assistance rendered Tbilisi was “defensive.” This has not gone down well in the Kremlin. Therefore, as the military crisis intensifies in South Ossetia, Moscow may be expected to punish Israel for its intervention. | ||
Zefram Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 08-2005 |
Hi all. I wonder if there is a prophecy about the beginning of third world war by western attack to china. Does Billy has said something about?. If this possibility exist, it´s very worrying. Salome, Zefram | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 658 Registered: 10-2000 |
The following information, conveyed to the author by Billy Meier, was first in print on pages 330 - 331, in “And Yet They Fly!”, by Guido Moosbrugger, published by Steelmark, 1st edition - 2001! "According to Ptaah's statements, more or less serious setbacks are also expected in the freedom efforts of the now-dissolved Eastern Block countries. A great deal of what has already been accomplished will most likely be destroyed. With great probability, everywhere in those regions where the population is not yet mature enough to sustain their newly won freedom, the people will behave so irrationally that their governments will be left with no alternative but to tighten the reigns again and take unpopular actions. Joined with this are the completely unlawful interferences and covert influences by western nations and their secret services. Altogether, these can lead to bloody conflicts, causing a chain reaction, which finally brings on the outbreak of a global war. So the danger of World War III is, unfortunately, by no means prevented." Michael Horn | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1170 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Badr.... Excellent translation! I would agree: the Olympic Games should NOT be Politicized! That is WHY, is was put up in the first place: to put ALL Politics and Religious Disputes/Differences aside, and Unite all world countries as ONE. And to enjoy themselves through Sports. But alas, there are individuals whom see it other-wise. Edward. | ||
Jamesm Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 02-2006 |
I'm not sure about who were the original provokers of the current conflict in South Ossetia and now Georgia and Abkhazia. From the BBC News corporation it appears to be the South Ossetian separatists launching artillery attacks against Georgian forces in Georgia where the fault lies of the death of the more than 1400 civilians. The Georgian response appears to have been Russia's ticket for a "moral invasion" (moral by their standards). Now Russia looks to be taking over Georgia in entirety. Since the Georgian military has now retreated from South Ossetia, I think Russia should also retreat to South Ossetian territory. There are reports of Georgian forces murdering civilians as in a type of ethnic cleansing. Russia's response was also heavy-handed and unconcerned with civilian deaths. South Ossetian, Georgian and Russian forces therefore now sadly seem to have innocent blood on their hands. In my opinion Georgia should not have responded to the separatist attacks in the way they did without first gaining UN support for a neutralisation of the separatist attackers attacking Georgia forces in Georgia. If we had a stronger UN to handle the South Ossetian terrorists/separatists (whatever your preferred term) then perhaps this conflict would not have occurred. But if these facts are untrue then my opinon would surely also be changed. Kind Regards James G. T. Moore Webmaster www.futureofmankind.co.uk | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 05-2008 |
Thanks Michael. Those with a predilection for armageddon prophecies & conspiracy theories are already declaring the outbreak of WW3, as of 08/08/08, with this Russian/Georgian conflict. I guess we'll have to keep an eye on former Soviet States reactions. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 358 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Michael, Did you see this one: US Attacks Russia as China Hosts Olympics August 8, 2008. Georgian forces, trained and equipped by the Pentagon and the U.S. government, killed 10 Russian peacekeepers early this morning in a provocation attack that has escalated into military conflict, but the subsequent corporate media coverage would have us believe that the U.S. and NATO-backed client state Georgia is a helpless victim, when in actual fact a far more nuanced geopolitical strategy is being played out. <cut> ....the fact that Georgian forces were responsible for starting the conflagration has been completely buried in subsequent media coverage. "Georgia and the Pentagon cooperate closely," reports MSNBC, "Georgia has a 2,000-strong contingent supporting the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq, and Washington provides training and equipment to the Georgian military." ~Paul Joseph Watson at: http://www.prisonplanet.com/us-attacks-russia-through-client-state-georgia.html Might be something to ask Billy about next time. Chris | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 359 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Mike & Norm, Copied your posts on China/Tibet to here for commenting -- see end below. They were under translations. Mike_hooten　Posted incorrectly under translations on Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 09:10 pm: re: Tibet Hi All, Noticed the Tibet comments from Mr Meier, Ptaah in May discussed here. I have studied several histories of Tibet, in particular the autobiography of the brother of the Dalai Llama. At the time i read it i wasnt really impressed with the Charitable mentality of the Brother. He made a point of talking about how the Stars insured HIS safety in the exodus, not everyone elses. And that he was "fortunate" in his reincarnation into higher political circles. I guess that meant that he wouldnt miss any meals. Also it was clear from both KUNDUN and SEVEN YEARS IN TIBET that foreigners were not welcome in the country in the 40's. I just dont understand how you can be isolationist and then when the giant takes you over, now you play victim and want help from the same foreigners. Lately, hearing the Dalai Llama talking about sharing power with China is so ridiculous. The Dalai Llama is a THEOCRACY. China is a DEMOCRACY. Who is he trying to kid? About two years ago i picked up the phone and chewed out a Tibetan monk about this who was asking for money. He changed his tune and just said he wanted to help his hungry people. I accept that. I didnt talk about it at the time because Mr Meier had said he liked Bhuddism. Glad to see Mr Meir can discriminate Buddism vs Theocracy. Best wishes to all. Norm　Posted incorrectly under translations on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 05:50 pm: Mike H, China is Communist. Hi Mike and Norm, China is an avowed Communist country, but it is clearly evolving into something very different. Its almost rampant entrepreneurship is closer to capitalism than communism. I read somewhere that the number of Chinese brokerage accounts now exceeds the number of members to the hard line communist party. As the old leaders, who are the only real communists left, grow old and die the country will be vastly different from any so-called communist country in history -- and maybe already is. The old guard still hold on to power; but the young and middle aged are capitalists in all but official name and the old guard know they cannot really cross this rapidly growing new breed and that they must keep them satisfied and happy or they might be ousted. Also the old guard know that this new capitalism is imbuing China with a dynamic growth (not without chronic problems) that it hasn't seen for hundreds of years and it has no wish to stand in the way of that. Current China, to me, defies political and economic description and categorization due to it being in a high state of flux and evolution; and no one really knows which way this country is going to go politically, or what its stance will be 10 years from now. Best, Chris | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1188 Registered: 02-2000 |
Chris, I know. But China still calls themselves Communist even though they are more like a Fascist country. My Website | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 659 Registered: 10-2000 |
Chris, Thanks, I also heard a report on a mainstream new station today where their reporter in the troubled area also said that Georgia initiated the attack. Amazing that it got through. Michael Horn | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 399 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Behzad in Figu Bulletin Nº3 1995 Billy speaks about Roswell: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_3 Roswell Incident An inquiry: In FIGU Bulletin No. 1, April '95, an article was printed that reports on a film that purportedly confirms the Roswell Incident. What should one think of it? Answer: In January 1995, a certain Reg Presley announced during a talk show on British television he had seen a video tape which was copied from an old celluloid movie film. The material was said to contain scenes depicting the removal of fragments of a UFO, which had crashed near Corona, NM, and the autopsy of an extraterrestrial being. So far the claims are as unverifiable as the video and movie footage. For this reason, I urgently advise you to take this Roswell film information with a grain of salt, and to wait until the shroud of darkness surrounding this matter has lifted, for it is quite possible that the entire scenario is nothing more than a planned, well-organized hoax, which may be based on the private orchestration of an individual person or a private, military or secret service organization's well-planned disinformation scheme. Judging from the way things look up to now, it appears that the entire phenomenon is a disinformation campaign, executed, as are so many other things, by one (or several) American secret organization(s) with an objective. Time will probably tell what truly is behind all of this. Billy Another inquiry: In the USA a man called Robert Lazar made public appearances and extensively reported on UFOs and dead extraterrestrials he supposedly saw in Area 51 and other areas. What should we think of him? Answer: Here, too, caution is in order because many elements are incorrect regarding his explanations. At least some of his testimonies could be conscious, intentionally-guided disinformation based upon data from certain American organizations. An extremely suspicious fact is that Bob Lazar, as the purported holder of secrets, has been left unharmed by the American security and secret service agencies when he openly speaks about alleged top secret information. This is especially strange in America when we consider how harshly this country deals with traitors. However, to this day Lazar remains unharmed in a similar way as the alleged "Falcon". The voice of reason dictates that care should be taken regarding the statements and claims made by Robert Lazar just as with statements and claims made by "Falcon", the Roswell Incident footage and the like. Many mysteries, particularly those pertaining to American UFO matters, must be viewed with great caution. This applies to purported abductions by UFOs, respectively, extraterrestrials and their brainwashing techniques, as well as alleged animal mutilations by extraterrestrials, etc. etc., which are frequently carried out by certain secret organizations and terrestrial powers of a similar nature and have, truthfully, nothing to do with extraterrestrials. Billy | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 03-2008 |
Why then after accepting ceasefire over Georgia, Russia continued to bomb the Georgian airstations...as I've heard on TV news Medvedev said that he will stop the attack until Georgia's president "finds a new job". Adrian. | ||
Getknowledge Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 04-2008 |
History in the making: Bigfoot body to be revealed next friday? Billy could be right...again http://dailygrail.com/node/6667 Tien | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 333 Registered: 10-2005 |
Fascism is a country run by corporations... The wealthy, totalitarian government... stressing racism and aggressive nationalism... Not only China... but many countries now days... The Georgian/South Ossetia situation is very suspect. Thousands killed... Oil involved, three British Petroleum processing plants shut down... Israel involved, covert and bloody conflicts making the possiblity likely for a chain reaction to occur... bringing global war... as Guido wrote and Michael researched and pointed out previously... I spoke of this with my friends and they look at me like I'm nuts... "the Olympics are on..." eh eh "I have no opinion about Ossetia etc..." They avoid the topic. After all they said... It's not here... it's over there... ha ha... There is no them only us... does not apply here. Years of breeding to non action. The clergy would be proud. Sit back and let them declare Marshall Law... passive agressive... with little or no convictions... see where that gets you... A karma chameleon a spineless lizard. Am reading a set of diaries by a woman trapped in Rome during World War 2. The men were farmed out to hard labor or if they were Roman Military... killed. This is wartime. The Romans and Germans were allies... Or if they were quizlings they were spared given nice houses and promoted... a quizling is someone who is sympathetic to the enemy. In this case the enemy were the allies. Facists such as wealthy corporation owners, such as the guy who ran the phone company was arrested by the Germans for having too much money... people on the same side did this... allies. Food was little or no from July 19, 1943 for a little over two years... All stores of the people of Roma were confiscated by the German Allies. Curfew, all vehicles were and most of the bicycles were stolen by the Germans... bicycles were a good and lucky thing to have... laws were enacted that were punishable by death or lifelong imprisonment... all people listening to wireless radios and discovered were killed, privileges we today take for granted evoked the death penalty... Life imprisonment and hard labor for disturbing a German soldier? Sheesh... The reason I bring this up... is to let you know... being passive, like the clergy of old or the sixties attitude would have us behave, and many still cherish that attitude... but folks... we could be... headed for a similar situation. Wartime is a difficult time and usually fatal for males. Fatal for reading the paper, fatal for driving a car, fatal for having posessions or free speech etc... it sounds funny but it's true. Those reporters killed in Ossetia died for free speech. So many died August 8, 2008 (08/08/08). It is terrible, it is barbaric, it is war. Be careful, be intelligent and do not let your guard down for even a minute. Just keep on your toes and be aware and plan a strategy not too far in the future. Be calm, keep your head about you.. thinking and patient. Wind up radio, flashlight, water, and matches. In Rome matches and bread were rationed and dissapeared within weeks. There were no green veggies and potatoes were an extreme luxury the people of Roma saw once in those two years. Flour kept them alive. It makes me rethink my backpack contents... Rice is lighter... baking powder can make the bread go farther... Two days after the bombing of July 19, 1943 these things went into effect. For the people of Ossetia there was little or no notice. Marshall law was enacted instantly. Be brave and the mighty forces will come to your aide... | ||
Kristoph New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 09-2008 |
Has Billy ever mentioned 2012 as a significant year? | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Kristoph, I was wondering the same thing and I did a research and Billy was asked this question some time ago. He has no information about this date. Marcela | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 03-2008 |
this has been mentioned many times on the forum....and again and again...it is said that nothing that is claimed by Mayan calendar or whatever is true and it will be a year like the others and it will come to pass and 2013, 2014, 2015 and so on will follow... Of course many...significant things can happen since we are in the "age of chaos"(or difficult times) but if something happens in 2012 or 2040 it doesn't make any difference....if it happens it happens....and if anything bad really happens, it's mainly because of humanity herself(itself?) Adrian. | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 06-2008 |
Rarena: I just wanted to tell you that I see the same situation around people I know; they don't care about the rest of the world, but when 911 happened, I saw my entire city (in Southamerica) be very worried and sympathetic with Americans. I don't know if you were watching the news lately, but in one political campaign, I heard people saying: "Drill, Baby, drill" Yeah, well if we drill we can shift the balance of the planet and begin an ice age again (Henoch Prophesies) Marcela | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 325 Registered: 03-2007 |
Semjase told Billy in Contact 60, that the most accurate records on Earth are the original ancient scripts of Enoch, and the calendar notifications of the old Maya Tribes because they have been the least tampered with. So the problem is not that the Mayan calendar is inaccurate but that it has been misinterpreted. It has been misinterpreted in several New Age books by people who don’t understand the cyclic nature of the Mayan, Long Count calendar, which is reset to day 0 every 1,872,000 days, a period known as The Great Circle. The next reset date, by some calculations, is December 21, 2012. And, of course the Mayan civilization died out before they had the chance to extend it. If our civilization was wiped out tomorrow by some unforeseen catastrophe, and centuries from now an alien race were to find a typical wall calendar left behind, then they might think that we believed the world was going to end on December 31, 2008 if the same illogical thinking was used by them. Regards Bob | ||
Pureharmony Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 08-2002 |
Semjase also said the Sanscrit scripts will be very exact and precise in special concerns (in contact 60). And to be precise on the terms, she said "recommended" (versus the term accurate) are the original ancient scripts of Enoch and the calendar notifications of the old Maya tribes. This is in regards to Billy's question however, of "which informations from earlier epochs can we trust the best." Semjase does disclaim though that "..I am not exactly informed, but my information is quite likely correct." *pureharmony* | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 370 Registered: 08-2004 |
For those interested, here’s some of the latest from Benjamin Fulford on the current events surrounding Iran, Israel, Georgia, Russia, China, the US and WWIII: “Well, it’s 11 in the morning on September 7th here in Tokyo….These people have been trying very hard to start WWIII. As you know, the Israelis had an Air Force base in Georgia and they were planning to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities from Georgia. The important thing is though... a friend of mine who was at the Trilateral meeting in Tokyo in 2006 told me there was a technical explanation there, where they said that because the Iranian facilities are so deep underground, they would have to attack them with nuclear weapons. Now, the Russians and the Chinese have said they will destroy Israel if they do that…. there is a group that wants to start WWIII. And we’re the group that’s trying to stop them. It’s clear the US Air Force has prevented the Israelis from attacking Iran by flying over Iraqi air space. And when the Israelis set up an air base in Georgia, the Russians came in and captured the airplanes and dismantled the air base. But clearly there is a big group in the US military, in Russia, whatever, trying to stop these people.†See the latest whole Project Camelot conversation with Benjamin Fulford here: http://projectcamelot.org/benjamin_fulford_6_sept_2008.html cpl | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 07-2008 |
Hi there, I just heard the news(on radio) that the biggest nuclear warship in the world, a Russian one, is heading to Venezuela for some joint exercices and that the USA are not very happy with that. It goes on to say that Mr Bush has decided yesterday to freeze current nuclear treaty with Russia. In the light of the recent relations between the USA and Russia, due to Georgia, i wonder where all this could lead. Salome! | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 07-2008 |
PS: Comrades, could you consider the situation described in my previous post in relation to The Henoch Prophecies, especially the upcoming possible World Fire? (Complementary information: Mr Cheney has recently promised to support Georgia; Russia has given license to Venezuela to produce the rifle 'Kalashnikov'; the word 'provocation' is being used by the Dutch media to qualify the recent steps taken by Russian and Venezuela; the Dutch authorities would like to allocate more tax money to the military - the arguments of the Dutch Minister of defence: because of the irreconcilable stances of the USA and Russia over Georgia, the world stability is seriously threatened...) It seems to be heating up. The question is, what is to be done? What can we do? - hold a special Peace Meditation, targetting this specific potentially dangerous situation? - launch a petition to be sent to the UN, for instance? - what?... Salome. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 07-2008 |
Hi CPL, Heartbreaking interview, that is! And what a chain of revelations! If at least 1% of those disclosures/exposures has any ground, then these politicians should be held accountable and judged for crime against Humanity. Period! I mean, what are the ordinary, righteous, hardworking and reasonable American Citizens doing? How could they let their country be hijacked in such a way and dragged in all sort of sordid conspiracies?! Does the Senate, Congress know about such things? The mean media? Those people have to be stopped! Salome. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 339 Registered: 10-2005 |
Participation in the Peace Meditation at the proper time... may be the most influencing method of keeping the peace. To be forewarned is to be forearmed. Emotions will not help this situation. Get it straight within yourself and lead others by example. rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see http://TheyFly.com here for correct pronunciation and correct time to perform. English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Markv Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi Phenix, The answers to those questions are rather complicated. I'll address them in as simple a manner as I am able. BTW, I'm a US citizen. The answers to all of those questions are tied together. Basically, we, the people, no longer have control of our country. Simply put, special interest groups/corporations have been enthroned. The mainstream media, high-ranking politicians, etc. carry out the wishes of the special interest groups. As a result, average US citizens have become brainwashed with a nationalist mentality and greed/gluttony/pride rules all. As far as I can tell, there are 3 main special interest groups which run/influence our government and media right now: 1. Weapons manufacturers (The Military Industrial Complex, as President Eisenhower warned us about in 1961) 2. Oil companies 3. Zionists How can they do this? By utilizing bribes and/or threats. The following is the method which is used to shout us down whenever we speak out against what our military is doing: "Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood, but, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” - Hermann Göring (Nazi Reichsmarshall & founder of the Gestapo) 1946 Nuremberg Trials You see, whenever reasonable people speak out, this happens: "...denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger...". Either that, or people just call us crazy. The mean media? They lie and distort world events in accordance with the special interest groups which run them. A perfect example being the recent situation with Georgia, South Ossetia, and Russia. You will not hear anyone on any news channel speaking about the fact that Georgia was the aggressor in this situation. Why? Because they're an ally, and allies are always good, because the US is always good, because it is the US. Can you see the type of ridiculous logic which runs rampant here? The fact is that the vast majority of US citizens still haven't caught on to what exactly has happened. After all, they're generally only interested in their own personal lives, not the world situation. Although, I am noticing that more people are waking up to the reality of the situation every day now, thanks to those who dedicate their lives to spreading the truth about what's going on. I really don't know if it'll make a difference though. If the war-mongers are able to use the current world situation to justify stronger military might and such... | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 07-2008 |
Hi Comrades, What do you make of this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24556999/?GT1=43001 A sign of the madness of Human scientists, in the sense of the words of Contact Report 251? Or that of one of those revolutionary discoveries leading to a positive development on Earth? Salome. | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 03-2008 |
Hey guys, I found something interesting on the news....and I don't know what to make of it.... http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080909/science/science_big_bang Plus it's in Switzerland where Billy is :D Adrian. | ||
Pureharmony Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 08-2002 |
Hi Phenix and Adysor, I think the CERN particle collider is an important work for our scientists research and discovery within the field of particle physics. While there may be some slight risks involved with the unknown factors, I think the benefits will outweigh the risks. I've been following the news of this during it's construction and I've been excited for the discoveries that will come from it. With the findings within this type of research, some enlightening revelations about the universe, it's dimensions, and the way particles work together will eventually bring a great deal of knowledge about the universe that was previously unknown. Just my opinion on the "matter"...lol! *pureharmony* | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 371 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Phenix, If I might add a little to what Markv said, with the caveat that I am not American: The American people have no more "let their country be hijacked" than many other people from anywhere let their life be hijacked by losing the ability to provide for self and family in the way they once did. The energies in motion in society are too big for most to see and comprehend. In short, as markv said, the public just don't really know what is going on. How can they? Virtually no one can prove, especially in a court of law, what has happened or is happening. We are usually unable to prove in a court of law that what someone like Fulford says is actually true or false. The "bribes" and "threats" alluded to by Markv are often initially not actually legally classified as bribes or threats -- though some are. More usually the power that the many special interests wield often just comes in legal financial backing and then legal withdrawal of financial backing when the policy of a particular backer is not implemented. This leaves the various leaders/representatives (not necessarily House reps) lacking in funds so they go to someone else with the money and power and agree to do their bidding, and so it goes on. IMO it underscores the one flaw in the Randist practical philosophy (which although largely unrecognized is actually the American way of looking out for number one) that leads to the triumph of powerfully successful people and corporations: There's nothing to keep them in check. Perhaps private funding of political candidates -- and presidents -- should stop? Perhaps every candidate should just be allowed the same fixed sum for their campaign from gov't allocated funds so there are no special interests involved directly. It might in addition overcome the farcical circus popularity parade that many elections -- not just in America -- have become. Even this, though, would probably be difficult to put into operation as the political parties themselves are large special interest groups that depend upon grand financing for their existence and expansion, so they could probably be counted on to resist this. This is, of course, just one idea for consideration; but it seems to me that unbridled power coming from powerful material success just needs to be kept in check somehow from being uncontrollably unleashed upon the public, without robbing those successful ones of the right to the fruits of their honest labors. This is a problem not just for the USA but virtually every country around the globe, including so-called socialist countries where still leaders wield their power over everyone. It is important that we look at the current situation of our respective and neighboring countries and find practical answers on a local or national level to the problems plaguing our planet. The Peace meditations can work from another angle too. And for those who find that approach...well, alien, there are other ways, like www.globalcoherenceproject.org or www.eventtemples.com. There are things we can do; and they begin with us focusing on the problems with the aim to finding the solutions in thought and feeling while learning how to practically implement in goodness the answers we find. In goodness may we not revert to negative thinking, but rather to succeed with good success. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 07-2008 |
Hi Rarena, Cpl and Markv, Thanks for your insights. I agree that i rather emotionally reacted to those revelations, their meaning and consequences, were they to be grounded. I just can not imagine that Humans, People just like you, me and all the others, could quietly sit down and mastermind wars, intrigues of such scale and gravity; take steps which would effect the lives and well being of millions and the entire planet, for that matter, while we go about our daily business and nothing seems to be done to stop that. I acknowledge that also other countries are involved in such machinations, but i focused on the USA for what they are on this planet, that is, the first world power with unmatched weight and influence in the international arena and on the state of global affairs. My stance is that the USA, because of their economic, political, financial and military power should also bear some sound Moral Responsibilty and display Ethical Leadership in the ways they operate. They should show and embody the example that would be followed, an attitude that positively inspires others; for the bigger you are, the heavier your responsibility. There are certainly some objective( indifferent to our limited, subjective wishes) factors - as the Laws of Creation Itself - to be taken into consideration, but the reality, the world we live in and the current state of things are what we ourselves created; they are but the results of our thoughts, choices, decisions and deeds. What is created by us, can also be removed, changed, adjusted by us. In all necessity. Once we realize that we are on the wrong course, we all have the obligation to work to improve things. Such effort begins by and within each individual, i agree with you, Rarena, but i remain also convinced that some Enlightened Leadership from a country with such a big influence as the USA, would help and accelerate the process - it might as well be just enough if the USA do not thwart the whole thing. I especially wondered about Americans and their, in my eyes, passivity in the face of the conduct of their country, because they have the privileged position of being Citizens of the First Democracy of our World and this fact, it seems to me, casts a special responsibility on them. For they freely choose those who lead the leading country of the world and they have the legal tools to controle and hold their politicians accountable. This is at least the way i see things. Cpl and Markv, you described a situation(the usual means to silence or marginalize common sense) i fearly know and i have to say that it is a shame that it still works! Fortunately we do have Peace Meditation, thanks to the Noble Plejaren, and other alternatives, as indicated by Comrade Cpl; it is now all about making the best use of these methods. I would like, regarding the Peace Meditation, to make a suggestion: Why shouldn't we try to bring some synchronization in this endeavor - i mean, truly, actively? I have seen a worldwide schedule of the Peace Meditation(www.Futureofmankind.co.uk; then 'Were do we come from?' then at the bottom of that page 'The Spiritual Teachings' and once there, onder'8'- 'The Peace Meditation': once again, thanks James!); so why don't we duly organize these events? A day or a couple of hours before the scheduled Meditation Seance, messages, emails could be sent to all members to inform and/or remind them - i assume that FIGU, Moderators have the email addresses of the members - for there are, alas, so many distractions, problems and issues out there that some might just forget about it. Factually taking part to the seance is the free choice and responsibility of everyone, but by so doing people would, at least, know what is expected from them. Salome. | ||
Markv Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 08-2008 |
Yeah Cpl, I suppose that I was simplifying the whole situation quite a bit. Regarding what I said about the US mainstream media, I think that Dan Rather recently summed the whole situation up quite nicely here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhHYR12doXg Some other quotes which may be relevant to this topic: "The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media." - Former C.I.A. Director William Colby "For sometime I have been disturbed by the way the CIA has been diverting from it's original assignment; it has become an operational and at times a policy making arm of government." - President Harry S. Truman "I think that it was a mistake, and, if I'd known what was going to happen, I never would have done it... but it got out of hand. Now, as nearly as I can make out, those fellows in the CIA don't just report on wars and the like; they go out and make their own, and there is nobody to keep track of what they are up to. They spend billions of dollars on stirring up trouble so they will have something to report on. They've become... it's become a government of all its own and all secret. They just don't have to report to anybody... The people have got a right to know what those birds are up to." - President Harry S. Truman The only thing that I am a bit unsure of, regarding what Mr. Fulford says, is the idea of an "earthquake machine" being used... although, I do understand that Nikola Tesla invented one. Nikola Tesla - The Forgotten Wizard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8Y93k0pB0 ^ Upon reviewing that video, I'm surprised at how much the "visions", which Tesla described, sound like thought impulses. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1184 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Kristoph and Adrian..... Kristoph, Welcome to the FIGU board. As I understood it to be: the World War Three scenario will/can manifest itself in a possible order of: every 3-4 years...or so/more. So, there seems to be a 'pause' within the mentioned - Years Random, which Man should make very Positive usages of! For the World War scenario NOT to manifest itself, AFTER the mentioned year(s). And the mentioned above is all linked to the countries America Occupies(and Allies: EU, we should not forget), as well as the mentioned Israeli Occupation regions, in Palestine. As longs as the mentioned do not retreat from these mentioned Occupied Regions, the Years Random, will still be in Effect! And remember: this is still a Prophecy(Changeable) and NOT a Prediction (Unchangeable; in most cases). Thus: World War Three DOES NOT have to happen! Edward. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 341 Registered: 10-2005 |
The Bucket List... Recently decyphered word a 9.0 magnitude seaquake may rock the western U.S. coast generating a huge Tsunami... My idea was to gather seven 55 gal drums (the plastic kind) filling one with blankets, short broom sticks, knives, food (candy/crackers, hard tack)and fresh water as well as flashlights, cell phones, GPS communicators.. radios, small mirrors and flares... Between each bucket ten to twenty feet of nylon thick rope firmly attached to make a total of 140 feet of boyant floatation and sustenance... If it saves one life it will be worth it. Tied to a large tree or foundation to anchor it it is a survival option. Write your cell number on there to allow grouping by sun or star position. A wind up radio can charge the cell phone. Sharks will be a problem so the knives and broom sticks provide protection poke them in the eye or stomach can be effective. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 662 Registered: 10-2000 |
Bob, I like your explanation about the Mayan calendar and the illogical New Age nonsense so much that I'm going to post it in my newsletter and refer to it often. Michael Horn | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 04-2006 |
Here's an interesting article about an experiment that will take place with regard to the moment of death and OBE'S. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26675999/ Redbeard | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 07-2008 |
Hi Kameraden, What do you make of the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers in the greater context of the troubled American economy - which is already having negative repersecutions, particularly in Europe? Is the collapse of this economical model already a fact? What could be its immediate consequences? Salome. | ||
Nestingwave Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 03-2005 |
Hello all, From what I've read and studied, 2012 represents a convergence of our entire solar system with the Milky Way Ecliptic. A very rare event if not a first time event since our planet was formed. The Russians have done much scientific study about this. According to them and many others, it is an energetic collision of great magnitude. It is not a single event to take place in December 2012, that is only the peak of the allignment (convergence.) I don't know if others have studied about this or found out what those who dedicate their whole lives to the study and understanding of the Mayan culture have to say, but they those researchers do understand what the Mayans were saying. Of course, the new age nonsense and hysteria does tend to make one reject the idea all together, but now, non new agers, scientists, are very alarmed. Of course, the idea that it is the "end of the world" is nonsense. It certainly could be a big change in our present civilization. All the events surrounding it, however, may very well make some of the political machinations come to a screeching halt. We still have to work it out ourselves, don't we. I personally have an inner intuition that the control paradigm is right now running VERY scared and that their power base is slipping fast. I think the elite would-be controllers know and greatly FEAR this coming event because they see their power structures unable to stand in its wake and the varying degress of chaos it will produce and already IS starting to produce. So, we now see ever increasing earthquakes and volcanic activity all over the enitre planet and freak storms with all the implications thereof. Big geological changes are ALSO taking place on every planet and moon in our entire solar system. No, CNN is definitely NOT the place to look for that info. Findings from NASA probes do have the information backed up by many scientists that are not in NASA nor even connected with the government. Planet X, in my opinion, is a METAPHOR for this convergence event. It is disinformation but meaningful disinformation. Not to be intrepreted as an article in Popular Mechanics. Also, we have mankind's stupid destruction of this precious jewel in space, planet Earth, that makes matters far worse of course. Not to mention the terrible angst and fear of the world's populations which adds to the energetic disruptions. Yes, the peace meditation and meditation in general greatly counteracts this. I think the next few years will be a rough ride both politically, economically, materially and even spirtually as people have to decide who and what they are and why they are here. Also, despite all the disinformation, the UFO/ETI phenomena is now being disclosed. And what are we finding? Everyone has a different view of what the implications are. Some think ETI is finally going to "save" us from ourselves and some think we are about to be ATTACKED (that's the way the military generals THINK) Many have been fed disinformation and even mind controlled to believe it. However, one must look beneath the surface of all this "controversy." Billy's contacts both add to the controversy and help us to approach this from an entirely NEW angle. A NEW perspective - not a linear one but a multidimensional perspective. We are all already multidimensional beings. But, we have forgotten. Now a huge awakening is in our midst. There is a new UFO revelation out that I recommend everyone to read. Even most of the UFO/ETI investigators haven't gotten to it yet being so busy trying to understand what's going on. It is called "Alien Interview" which is about the nurse who interviewed the live walking around alien after the Roswell crash. She saved a copy of the official transcripts unbeknownst to her military superiors. She is now deceased and so the information is coming out. What that alien had to say, in my estimation, GREATLY supports what Billy's contacts have to say IF one takes the story METAPHORICALLY and does not try to read it like a newspaper - which, of course, may will because they approach EVERYTHING that way. I think it also shows why the first alien contacts really FREAKED the military industrial complex and made them highly fearful and paranoid. Many of them really did think that "National Security" was at stake and the U.S. might be under "alien attack." Plus they were all clinging with white knuckles onto their enculcated concepts about how things are. A very big reason for their insecurity and willingness to lie at any cost. One word about disinformation. It is NOT altogether negative. I think that in ETIs agenda (a single agenda in my estimation) for planet earth, a large part of it is to provoke us into an entirely NEW way of thinking about things and think for OURSELVES. Our enculturation and social consensus realities have programmed us to think of EVERYTHING in a linear fashion and depend upon so-called "experts" to tell us how it is. As if we should read and understand "yes or no" facts being presented in the New York Times. Not so, in my estimation. This misses the whole thing. ETI is multidimensional. This is an entirely NEW concept for most of us and we must LEARN how to deal with it. This takes some intense training and ETI is now offering us that. Let's consider this for a moment. ETI exists in other dimensions. Their remembrance of WHO and WHAT they are is phenomenal compared to ours. Therefore, all the technology both physical and spiritual has been their enculturation for millenia with continued memory of it, if not longer in many cases. So, when they communicate with us toddlers, they must DOWNSTEP. By that I mean they must use METAPHORS which WE can relate to in order to comprehend anything about them at all. In the alien interview, the alien used the term "Space Opera Civilizations." Yep. Metaphores we can relate to. IS-BEs taking up physical bodies in a kind of game of BECOMING and understanding within limitations. The term IS-BE is a good one. All of us are IS-BEs. In a good sense ETI is a mirror. For example, the U.S. government wanted WEAPONRY and ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY to be GIVEN to them by ETI or make a deal with them for it or steal it from them. Those military people were greedy, fearful, power hungry and willing to lie to the American people to deceive them. So, what ETIs did they get? A MIRROR image. They got their own mirror image of THEMSELVES - something so "alien" that they could not understand it (they can't understand themselves either) and beings that told them what they wanted to hear ... but ... LIED to them and never gave more than promises promises. hmmmm sounds like THEIR OWN INNER INTENTIONS, eh? No doubt some technology was back engineered but only in a three dimensional nuts and bolts way and the ETI technology goes FAR beyond that, as we know from Billy's contacts and even the work now being done by phsycists all over the world. It should be pointed out that the aliens from the Roswell crash were considerably different from the ones that the U.S. government WANTED to make a deal with for weaponry. That, I think came sowewhat later. The original "alien," who was interviewed at Roswell, refused to answer their questions and opted to helpfully inform them after quickly mastering the english language. He only spoke to ONE person, the nurse, and he spoke TELEPATHICALLY. Early on it was suggested to Billy by his very human looking contacts to start a "UFO Controversy." Wow. The "controversy" is not just to start an argument but to start folks to MULL THESE MATTERS AROUND IN THEIR MINDS. This very process causes new neural pathways to begin to form which open up our understanding to these new concepts such as timelines, dimensions, densities, the quantum vacuum, energetics, psychoenergetics and especially WHO and WHAT we are at our deepest CORE. This is just too much for many to deal with. They always have an out, as Jim Deardorff wrote, "PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY." "Yeah, its all a buncha bs." Okay. Everyone must develop their own point of view. Training in personal responsibility. salome, Roy | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 330 Registered: 03-2007 |
There are many explanations to be found in various New Age literatures as to the cause of the influx of higher energy we are going through now, such as: passing through a photon belt; the Earth being prepared for its ascension or to shift to another dimension. People are intuitively feeling that something is going on energetically and they want explanations – finding them where they will. The explanations presented in the Meier material concerning these times and how to respond properly is the best that I have seen anywhere. We are entering the Aquarian Age and the full impact of these spiritually energetic vibrations from the central sun will occur in 2029 (And Still They Fly, p324) when the Earth will be in its optimum position to receive the higher vibrations of the center of the galaxy. The dates 2012 and 2029 are pretty close to each other when it gets down to it. Carlos Barrios, an historian, anthropologist and native Guatemalan, studied with traditional elders for 25 years since the age of 19 and has become a Mayan Ajq'ij, (ceremonial priest and spiritual guide). He is also the author of Kam Wuj: El Libro del Destino, a book published in Spanish that explores Mayan teachings. Years ago, along with his brother, Gerardo, Carlos initiated an investigation into the different Mayan calendars. He studied with many teachers. He says his brother Gerardo interviewed nearly 600 traditional Mayan elders to widen their scope of knowledge. "Anthropologists visit the temple sites," Mr. Barrios says, "and read the stelas and inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the signs correctly. It’s just their imagination...Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed. The indigenous have the calendars, and know how to accurately interpret it, not others." http://www.redrat.net/thoughts/prophets/ “The Mayan Daykeepers view the Dec. 21, 2012 date as a rebirth, the start of the World of the Fifth Sun. It will be the start of a new era resulting from — and signified by — the solar meridian crossing the galactic equator, and the earth aligning itself with the center of the galaxy.” That last statement above by Barrios aligns perfectly with the Meier material, as this statement below bears out: “By far, the most powerful cosmic influence originates from the tremendous energy of the central sun at the center of the galaxy, from which an abundance of intense radiation flows and is supplied to the stars.” p.325, ASTF Regards Bob | ||
Nestingwave Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 03-2005 |
Hi Bob, Very glad to meet you. Thanks for your very enlightening post. I certinly agree with it and I wish to make a few comments on it. I haven't read the author you mentioned but I can see that I certainly need to. You said: "We are entering the Aquarian Age and the full impact of these spiritually energetic vibrations from the central sun will occur in 2029 (And Still They Fly, p324) when the Earth will be in its optimum position to receive the higher vibrations of the center of the galaxy. The dates 2012 and 2029 are pretty close to each other when it gets down to it." Yeah, only 17 years difference. I am not sure how far across the MW ecliptic is but it is certainly conceivable that 17 years ( a very short time) should take us well into it and perhaps even to the direct central allignment of it. At least an allignment with the most energetic portion of it perhaps where the dimensional portals (worm holes) are most prevalent. It has been postulated by microbiologist Dr. Daniel Burish (Lotus Project) that at least a portion of those energetics most probably consist of what has been termed "natural worm holes." As I understand the nomenclature, these are portals, of various sizes which access the time domain and are very prevalent in the MW ecliptic. I think those who use the term "photon belt," which they define as a "toroidal shaped field of very potent photonic energy," are talking about (whether they realize it or not) these very energies which our solar system is now coming into contact with in this ongoing convergence which is coincident or concomident with our entering into a new age, the age of Aquarius. The long prophesied "golden age" spoken of in all of the earth's cultures in various metaphors. Certainly not perfection but considerably saner than earth's present condition. One of the more noticeable things about this is a huge shift in our thinking. It seems to me that a large part of the ongoing UFO/ETI phenomena is a kind of "training program" carried on by the ETI which is strictly voluntary. I think we could call this a shift in our thinking from "linear thinking" to "holonomic thinking." The confusion in the UFO/ETI field, among the many researchers, seems mostly due from their attempting to decipher and decode it in a linear fashion, which is our deep enculturation - our so-called "normal" way of thinking about everything. After all, we are dealing here with new concepts outside the box of normally accepted human thought. Concepts like dimensions, densities, timelines, dark energy and matter, the quantum vacuum, the templaic manifestations and materializations of bioforms etc. Therefore, ETI uses methods such as what we would call, "disinformation" in an attempt at shaking us loose from our old method of formulating concepts in our biominds. The cognitive dissonance that occurs, creates a puzzle that cannot be solved by our regular linear thinking and that compels us to initiate a stretch in our conscious awareness and learn that holonomic thinking is not only a possibility but also something which we have already been doing but without much cognizance of the fact. Our cultural ignorance regards a "myth" as a lie. Actually, a "myth" is a parable, a story. If it is a long story it can be called an "allegory." This story is an overall metaphor designed to illuminate cosmic truth formed by a set of metaphors that requires holonomic thinking to decipher and decode. Further, a "languaging system" must be developed to communicate this. One can imagine a "myth" to be the outward connection to an information cumulus of vast size. The "myth" is a gateway or portal, much like a "wormhole" that opens up multidimensional information. The manifestation of ETI, in this sense is a "myth." That is a "DOWNSTEP" of multidimensional information but in a context we on planet earth are capable of understanding. A METAPHOR that can be partially grapsed by linear thinking but at the same time provokes holonomic thinking. Failue to recognize this causes the vast confusion now rampant among those who try to apprach this ETI phenomena which, failing to take this into consideration, trys to make sense of everything exactly like one tries to make sense of things from reading "facts" in a newspaper. In the case of ETI, a multidimensional experience, this is simply not adequate and thus leaves so many feeling highly frustrated and suspicious of everything which does not line up linearly according to their enculturated concepts. To put it another way, ETI is BLOWING OUR MINDS and reestablishing them to become aware of our already existing multidimensionality. Physics and metaphysics now merges. "...Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012." Of course, that popular concept of "the end of the world" is absurd. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed. The indigenous have the calendars, and know how to accurately interpret it, not others." http://www.redrat.net/thoughts/prophets/ “The Mayan Daykeepers view the Dec. 21, 2012 date as a rebirth, the start of the World of the Fifth Sun. It will be the start of a new era resulting from — and signified by — the solar meridian crossing the galactic equator, and the earth aligning itself with the center of the galaxy.” That last statement above by Barrios aligns perfectly with the Meier material, as this statement below bears out: “By far, the most powerful cosmic influence originates from the tremendous energy of the central sun at the center of the galaxy, from which an abundance of intense radiation flows and is supplied to the stars.” p.325, ASTF Regards Bob I recently read the "Alien Interview" of the surviving alien of the Roswell crash. What that ETI had to say is a "mythology" containing all the implications I talked about above. Some who only use linear thinking would call it "disinformation." However, that alien used certain terminology that I found very interesting. IS-BE = a soverign multidimensional immortal entity which is what ET is and ALSO what WE ARE. It appears to me after going a little further than linear thinking in contemplating what that alien had to say, that the physical manifestations of the world's of time and space, the condensations into physical form, are downsteps purposefully done by the IS-BEs (us) In these downsteps FORGETFULLNESS occurs in varying degrees. Our planet is an EXTREMELY dense world of extreme lack of remembrance. That is, a planet of FORGETFULNESS. This present energetic transformation is WAKING US UP causing is to REMEMBER who and what we are and recognize the core of our being to be interconnected with the information cumulus of the entire Universe. This indicates the eventual complete transformation of our biominds. Like a catapillar into a butterfly, a planet of forgetfulness into an awakening planet. A space faring civilization, probably very similar to the metaphor of planet ERRA, becomes our reality. IS = the most present moment wherein infinite energy and intelligence is available and "BE"= the innate drive to BECOME or EVOLVE. SPACE OPERA SOCIETIES = these are "DOWNSTEPS" (my term) of various IS-BEs that take on numerous physical form, some of them biological, some not, as was the case with that particular alien that survived the Roswell crash. The Pleiadian/Plejaren manifestations, like us, are also a part of the "dream-time." A "space-opera society." These are physical metaphors that IS-BEs put on like an actor puts on a mask. We are learning that we can wake up and have conscious awareness of the reality we create. Much like a "lucid dreamer" directs his own dream instead of being pulmeted to and fro by other energies and falling under their "control" as we already have been historically on this planet of extreme forgetfulness. salome, Roy We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 10-2007 |
yeah I'm with Bob on this one, I wouldn't interweave too much of Mayan prophecy with Billy's explanations because the Mayans clearly had and have some interesting information including ball games tied to ancient India however it was not perfect either and had it's share of problems and like any ancient culture in some regards even with some perhaps glimpses of truth, their 5th sun or 4th world depending on who you talk to is some cases after was about everything going back their particular way with their particular culture being dominant again understandably yet charlantrics if applicable whether Mayan or Christian religions are less about things Billy seems to relate which to me are more meaningful and from what I've read I prefer the Plejeran insight and intervention on this planet as well as the things that I understand that FIGU stand for not to mention all of Billy's advices. harmonisches Funktionieren zu lernen | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 333 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hi Roy, One of the questions that I’ve oft wondered about is the difference between a real experience and an imagined experience as it relates to the evolution of the spirit and what the Meir material may have to say about it. But we shall surely have to move this discussion to another topic section. And by imagined experience, I mean of various forms and mediums: such as any lesson or wisdom gleaned from reading a mythological story or watching a movie versus having those experiences in real time. I look forward to continuing this discussion with another post in the near future, in a different section. Regards Bob | ||
Nestingwave Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 03-2005 |
Bob, I'd like to share with you (and anyone) an article that I just wrote: http://www.geocities.com/nestingwave/DwnStepA.html If you like to discuss these issues on another thread please drop me an email. I will be glad to send you a copy of the Alien Interview which not too many people have seen yet. I think it to be a very important piece to the overall puzzle. When you say what is real and what is imaginary one must take into consideration the process our mind goes through to discern anything at all. Our reality is limited to what our biominds are capable of processing. It may be easy to look at other people and see that they are living in a total delusion, such as those who want to kill their fellow man for their own agenda, but what elements did we manufacture our own view of reality with? How did we interpret the objective information that came into our senses and was assembled into meaning by our mind? Einstein said something profound here: "Imagination is more important than knowledge." hmmmmm, now why would he say that? nestingwave@yahoo.com salome, Roy We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 372 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Roy, I would suggest that Einstein said, "Imagination is more important than knowledge" because he had a very active imagination, and imagination can be a powerful precurosr to investigation and research, which can be a powerful precursor to knowledge. There are, of course, other ways to knowledge, but IMO for Einstein the path was paved with imagination. Kind regards, Chris | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1189 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Guys.... Yes, very interesting discussion. Well, yes, due to the Mayans not being able to finish their calendar and mentioned 2012(amongst by Eradication of the Conquistadors(Christian Catholics)...etc...), did indeed not have to mean that the world would come to an end, as many (mis-)interpreters have mentioned, just as the decedent Indian Mayans, themselves had done, themselves. Thus: is IS....THEIR own Misinterpretation of the mentioned, and they should indeed not be sadden...by their own Ignorance, which...in the first place caused the False out-come of the mentioned, to be. Thus, the Plejarans explained THE FACTS...as Clear as can be, I would. If the Mayans outlived...their Spanish Invaders and related conquerers, they would indeed, have mentioned an abundance of 'other/additional' aspects within the(ir) Calendar, for the future to be. Well, it does speak for itself! I remember some individuals back in the mid 70ties, whom had the same idea (regarding the Mayan Calendar), of the world ending in 2012, or so, which we know now, thanks to the Plejarans is False and know - HOW the fork fits the stick! So, it truely Clears Up The Mist! Edward. | ||
Nestingwave Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 03-2005 |
Hi Edward, The mist existed in the first place because few understood what the Mayans really had to say and a lot of supposition, religiousity and heresay took over. The Mayans were perfectly clear. A new age is upon us and we are in for HUGE and very ENERGETIC changes. Although this transition will be chaotic in varying degress, as the old paradigm dissolves and the new paradigm emerges, the overall outcome is very positive indeed in my view. It is yet another step toward becoming a space-faring/space-opera civilization, if not several steps rapidly in succession due to the new high energetics now being encountered and increasing. A space-opera civilization - which the Plejarens now mirror to us and cause our hearts to leap with joy. An all consuming vision. The greatest adventure yet undertaken by humans on planet Earth - to explore the multifarious worlds of time and space with awe and wonder alongside our ET friends and relatives. Edward, I like that phrase you used - "HOW the fork fits the stick!" A zen master once said, "if you see a fork in the road, take it." A timeline is like a river. It can be swift, slow, have eddys, be a torrent, barely be moving at all, be a powerful vortex, decend as a waterfall ... or ... split into tributaries ... like a fork in the road. namaste, Roy We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 392 Registered: 07-2004 |
Nestingwave, That 'Alien Interview' you speak of is a farce. More disinformation to fuel the fear factor necessary for the secret gov's to carry out their plans for more weapons in space. This is probably linked to the suspicious internet message of the 'Oct 14' event of Alien contact. The ratcheting up of the publics awareness of supposed Alien interventions to create the needed environment they will attempt some vile plan as yet unknown. Conspiracy you say? If not, then surely delusional people creating this junk. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1534 Registered: 12-1999 |
More on Stonehenge today: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7625145.stm | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1198 Registered: 02-2000 |
Billy's right again. "An election whistleblower who is a Republican, a nationally known data security and computer architecture expert, and an Ohio resident has filed a sworn affidavit in federal court that describes how Republican Party consultants in 2004 built an electronic vote counting network in Ohio that could have stolen votes to re-elect the president." http://www.alternet.org/democracy/99337 My Website | ||
Nestingwave Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 03-2005 |
Kingman, I certainly understand your suspicions. However, as I said, this is not to be read and understood linearly but holonomically. It is the same with Billy's experiences. If you try to read this linearly people might become paniced and others will simply dismiss it. However, it is the same with Billy's contacts. That there was a live alien walking around after Roswell is substantiated by several accounts. You know very well that the Army Air Corps would try to interrogate that alien. That some of the aliens are not bioforms is also substantiated by several other accounts, even the Plejarens say this. That there was a nurse who saw the bodies and was greatly disturbed by it is also substantiated by the coroner in Roswell at the time. Of course, one could say that everyone was simply lying but that is not reasonable in my opinion. The alien who survived, called "Airl" was not a bioform. The other aliens who died were bioforms. I have carefully read and contemplated the Alien Interview several times. So many people are developing preconceived notions about it and few have even read it but just take the word of some debunker or wait until Billy tells them its okay. Comeon, Billy and the Plejarens want us to learn how to think for OURSELVES. And, I have had contact with the author Lawrence Spenser. I heard the interview on Paracast and out of the three interviwers that grilled him only ONE had even read the book. Skimmed it, I suspect. They were complete egotists and debunkers. Read it like one reads the New York Times. Lawrence was a very humble and unassuming man who really didn't care what they thought. In my own communications with Lawrence I found him to be very unassuming and humble. He is not a UFO person AT ALL and he is no more a "hoaxer" than Billy, who was also accused of that continually. I seldom make any kind of a prediction but I strongly feel to say this. The original alien interview in Roswell was TAPED. I predict that at the right moment, those very tapes WILL EMERGE. Now, if you take everything that the alien said totally literally you have missed it. IT is a myth, (not a lie as many dumbed down in the English language assume). A "MYTH" is NOT a lie but a parable, an allegory which reflects not something "up there" but something RIGHT HERE AT THIS MOST PRESENT MOMENT. This was all given according to the concepts of 1947 and to the nurse who viewed everything according to the people of her era. It has become clear to many of us that on planet earth, we have a control paradigm that has enslaved planet earth for millenia with religion and so-called science due to our own wrong thinking which fully allowed it - now about to crumble in my view. The freedom from this does not come from above nor from the ETs but from US changing our way of thinking ABOUT EVERYTHING. The ETI is offering us the opportunity to do that if and when we want to. I too am an experiencer and practitioner. This, in my view, is the exact training program that ETI is conducting right here on earth at the moment and the Alien Interview confirms this by the encodement of the aliens message. A big change from linear thinking to holonomic thinking. Of course, there are many who think Billy is the only contact there is. I and many others know better. The Plejarens are just one manifestation of ETI. The so-called "Greys" are yet another and there are several more. It was suggested to Billy that he start a "UFO controversy." Look around you. This causes people to MULL THESE MATTERS OVER IN THEIR MINDS which ... stretches us and helps us to change our way of thinking. Our erroneous thinking is the source of our problems. We must change that. No one, Billy nor anyone, can do that for us. To better understand what I mean by "holonomic" thinking: http://www.ccfi.educ.ubc.ca/publication/insights/v07n01/dissertation/laroche/circlet_2.html salome, Roy We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are. | ||
Nestingwave Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 03-2005 |
Norm, considering all the evidence that has already been placed before congress of criminal behavior at the top levels of our government, including High Treason, and their total ignoring of it, do you think anything at all will ever come of this? So what if Billy is "right." He, in my estimation has already established himself as a proven and well prepared genuine prophet decades ago and I'm sure you fully realize that even much more than I do. I know that many people are still deluded by this criminal U.S. government. That is because they want to be and just can't stand to think that they have been so duped and deceived. Why, they wouldn't actually ... LIE to us ... would they? Yes, they would. And actually many of us have realized this bit of information, and much more, long ago. We did witness the controlled demolitions of 911, after all. In the 2006 election they tried the same thing but were thwarted by a new alertness on the part of the people manning the poles. Of course, we also know that 2000 was also out and out thievery. This has now become the regular pattern of these despots that our congress now winks at. Yes, we are in serious trouble indeed. Some of us have now petitioned our representatives. NO BAILOUT. We fully recognize that this present financial crisis amounts to a COUP DE ETA of BIG bankers. The illuminati faction is growing filthy rich off the suffering of others in this, as they have already been for a long time. There is a huge war now being waged behind the scenes and I think much more of this totalitarianism will be thwarted. In fact, there are signs that this idiocy is now in its last days. America as we know it may be in its last days too. Unfortunately, I predict that most in our population will do as they have been doing, roll over and go back to sleep. Ho hum. However, all this continual criminal behavior has got some, even up in Washington, very angry indeed. However, a big wake up call is coming soon regardless. And, it doesn't take a prophet to figure that one out, although Billy has prophesied it for a long time as did his predessessors before him. salome, Roy We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are. | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 06-2008 |
Norm Wrote: Billy's right again. "An election whistleblower who is a Republican, a nationally known data security and computer architecture expert, and an Ohio resident has filed a sworn affidavit in federal court that describes how Republican Party consultants in 2004 built an electronic vote counting network in Ohio that could have stolen votes to re-elect the president." http://www.alternet.org/democracy/99337 I agree, Billy knows about our world because the case is real... in time as billy predicts, the case will start picking up momentum. Salome Jpm has dedicated his life to his neutral spirit consciousness... | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 396 Registered: 07-2004 |
Roy, Unlike the people you say didn't read the Alien Interview, I did. This is a false document that has virtually zero value in generating more truthful information about the Roswell event. This ALIEN INTERVIEW IS A PSY-OPS. PERIOD. Your continued position of holding this up as a thing of value is what I have a challenge with. Since when has blatant fiction that creates more fear in our society been anything but a control tool. Calling this a 'Myth', changes nothing. Maybe your focused on the wrong aspect of what this document contains. Try reading it again with different view points then whatever your using right now. I doubt you will as you seem to deliver the same talking points to allow your continued support for this story. We're all free to think as we wish. Some thoughts need to be presented to others as a chance for differing insights. This is where I stand. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Nestingwave Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 03-2005 |
Shawn, I have seen people take Billy's prophecies as negative fear mongering also, but, of course, that is only if they are focusing on it in that certain linear mental framework. Even though big changes are ahead for America and the world and indeed some chaos will ensue, the overall outcome, to me has much hope. It is so true that many now are succumbing to sheer fright about what they see starting to occur and are running hither and thither "what about this? what about that?" Many so-called celebrity "authority figures" are full of fear themselves and radiating that out to their "followers." One must understand them however. They are only projecting things as they see them. The ones who are persuaded by their floppings around are persuaded because they are so used to having someone else do their thinking for them, especially someone whom they think is "credible." Anything I might say, or several other here, doesn't have that problem.heheheh. I have no "credentials" of credibility and beside that I see all that is happening as ultimately very positive because suffering in this world is only overcome by understanding who and what we are and all that is happening now is bringing us closer and closer to that no matter how much fear one might have. So, there is no way to "protect" the public from other fearful people who broadcast their own fears. There is really nothing new about it, only more intense now as things really start to accelerate. By remaining calm ourselves and exercising appreciation, compassion, forgiveness, understanding, humility and valor, we will calm others who are axious in varying degress. Bill and Kerry of PC, for example, have given into fears because of the authority figures they listen to and are broadcasting those fears. At the same time, they are offering ONE ASPECT of the UFO/ETI disclosure about what the government now wants to tell us about it. That is BOUND to be somewhat distorted considering the governments whole intention in dealing with ETI in the first place -- WEAPONS and GLITZY TECHNOLOGY. ETI is a MIRROR and we get whatever we call upon. To me, the stability through all this is to recognize these holonomic aspects and stay focused in the most present moment. That is where the infinite energy and intelligence is located and manifesting. Yep, many people who read the Alien Interview will take it as a "list" of how the universe works and miss it entirely. Of course, one of the reasons many arbitraily call it of no value and a "hoax" is simply because they read it and it scares the hell out of them. I would alleviate those useless fears yet try to impart the seriousness of this entire situation and most of all, OUR PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY in it to see what is happening on more than just a surface level. Peace be upon the earth and among all beings! Roy We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 340 Registered: 03-2007 |
Roy: "This, in my view, is the exact training program that ETI is conducting right here on earth at the moment and the Alien Interview confirms this by the encodement of the aliens message. A big change from linear thinking to holonomic thinking." Hi Roy, I think I see a bit more clearly now where you are coming from and where you are going with your discussion. You see a metaphorical 2012 and all its implications to current events as a kind of metaphorical bridge from linear thinking to holonomic thinking. And of course the purpose of a bridge is to cross it. Or perhaps a metaphorical pier leading out into the ocean enabling us to dive into the depths. Aside from its utility in understanding matter, the bridge or pier would help us to loosen our way of considering consciousness so that it doesn’t hold so rigidly. It might form a bridge or pier of some sort that moves us a certain way but, my sense of it, based on what I have studied to date of the Meier material, is that the measure of what you are speaking of lies in the domain of higher spiritual levels. It is part and parcel with the slow but steady evolution of the spirit. And since the holographic paradigm suggests a dynamic of life that is nonlinear, we can expect that conceiving it or explaining in linear ways will fall short. When Semjase had her near fatal accident, the extent of the damage to her brain was so great that it was beyond the scope of Plejaren medicine to save her. Her father, Ptaah, made a desperate call to their friend, Asket, of a more highly evolved race, the Timers, in the neighboring Dal Universe. It was beyond their scope as well. But she knew of a race called the Sonas, who had an understanding of life far beyond Asket's people. Asket was successful in contacting the Sonas and within a short time, several of them suddenly appeared in the medical room on Erra where Semjase's body lay. They had not traveled by ship, but just seemed to appear, as if they had projected themselves across the far reaches of the universe by the sheer power of their own minds. Using unusual medical methods they set to work immediately. Semjase was back from near death and the men from Sona disappeared as quietly as they had come, returning to their home world somewhere far off in another universe. So great was their knowledge of time and space, they were able to project themselves through the universe utilizing only the force of their minds. This really impressed the Plejarens, for this was far beyond anything they were capable of. So yes, such stories do illustrate what is possible, but these abilities come slowly after many, many embodiments of applying rightful thinking and meditaton. And the politics and social structure of a society will always be a reflection of the status of the spiritual level of that society. Regards Bob | ||
Nestingwave Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 03-2005 |
Everyone must decide everything for themselves. Some will wait for the go-ahead from some trusted authority figure who formulates their points of views for them. I think you are trying to read it linearly instead of holonomically, in my view. To that customary way of thinking, "information" is thought of as linear but the vast information cumulus of the universe, which is holonomic, is now becoming accessible to us via ET contact. This access is gradual, of course, because we have been under this limitation now for millenia. When we overcome our entirely linear thinking to the degree we can learn to live together, we will eventually become prepared to be a space-faring civilization and join our ET friends and relatives in exploring the multifarious worlds of time and space with an all encompassing vision. I suggest you look up Joseph Campbell's definition of "myth." The English language has dumbed down that word (and many others) to where many people use the word "lie"and "myth" interchangably and that, of course, confuses the issue. A "myth" is not a "lie" but a parable or allegory that tells a cosmic truth in metaphors we can understand. People often read spritual writing in a linear fashion also and thus totally misunderstand it. Holonomic thinking is akin to understanding great poetry or appreciating great music or art. It accesses more than the intellect but also accesses the gnosive intuitions and those gut emotions, many of which transcend human language and "words" all together. ETI telepathic communication is like that. All of it. Telepathy is far more interactive than a telephone conversation or a list of "facts." This is my own experience of it. In my view it is not about "out there" or "back when" or "will be" but about "right here and now at this most present moment." And, told in metaphors -- an analogical story, a parable if you will, which would otherwise be incomprehensible to us at this stage of our evolutionary development, and, like all ETI use in their downstepped telepathic communication. This communication must be downstepped (not dumbed down) because we are just now getting any notion whatsoever of what dimensions, densities, timelines, the quantum energy field and anti-gravity etc. are all about. We are infants in this cosmic awareness. Beginners. To say that it is of "zero value" displays a case of "conclusion pole vaulting" the most favorite sport of all of us when we are confined by our old paradigm linear thinking, which mankind has been under on planet earth for millenia. My view, of course. salome, Roy We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 397 Registered: 07-2004 |
Roy, Your signature line... "We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are." tells me you are into progressing this work of fear fiction. That seems to me to show a certain investment into what I, IMO, regard as an obvious action of directed psy-ops. This doesn't mean I am calling you an 'operative', it just means I think you are extracting an element that maybe of some value to you, it's just the fact that - we don't need more disinformation muddying up the waters. What's wrong with having a source you can approach an acquire answers to questionable materials. This 'Alien Interview' is top heavy in the wrong category. Do you feel that exposing the public to this material is 'OK'? a friend in america Shawn | ||
Nestingwave Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 03-2005 |
Hi Bob, I see that from your post of September 23 that you completely understand what I am talking about. I am developing a paper about this: http://www.geocities.com/nestingwave/DwnStepA.html May I ask you a question? You certainly don't have to answer unless you want to, of course. Have you ever had personal interaction and/or interfacing with an ET entity? salome, Roy We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are. | ||
Nestingwave Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 03-2005 |
Bob, in your post of September 23 you said, "You see a metaphorical 2012 and all its implications to current events as a kind of metaphorical bridge from linear thinking to holonomic thinking. And of course the purpose of a bridge is to cross it. Or perhaps a metaphorical pier leading out into the ocean enabling us to dive into the depths. Aside from its utility in understanding matter, the bridge or pier would help us to loosen our way of considering consciousness so that it doesn’t hold so rigidly." Exactly. I would elaborate a little. Of course 2012 and all the prophesies surrounding it are metaphorical, however, it is now fully scientifically established that our entire solar system is indeed undergoing an energetic bombardment. Our solar system is indeed plunging down and across the Milky Way Ecliptic and encountering hitherto unknown energies on a very wide range of frequencies, some of which can be measured, others are beyond the range of scientific instruments. Dr. Burish and others say that wormholes of various sizes are also prevalent in the Milky Way ecliptic. No one knows for sure the full meaning of this because it is an entirely new phenomena for us. The ETIs are gradually familiarizing us with what timelines are. The Russians who have an institute which studies our Sun's "heliosphere" are alarmed because the effervesing plasma along the leading edge of the heliosphere has recently increased 1000%. This means that the plasma is effervesing far more than before as the new energies are being encountered. They declare that our DNA is being effected and some are predicting a kind of "punctuated equilibrium." Species on planet earth, including us, are being genetically effected. The Russians have said that the quantum particles that make up the atoms in our solar system are absorbing these energies. One of those scientists, I think it is Dr. Dimetriv, says that the quanta will continue absorbing this energy like a capacitor, but will, at some point, have all the energy that those quanta can hold. He says that, at some point, all of the quanta will suddenly expand outward increasing the space between the quanta. That is, the distance between quanta will increase suddenly. The distance between particles will increase and remain there. Some refer to this as a "density" shift. Back in the late 1980's Francis Crick, the codiscoverer of the geometry of the DNA double helix, said this: "Now that we have discovered the shape of the DNA molecule, the next step for scientists is to undertake a very serious study of HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS." Since then, many scientists have done just that. DNA and human consciousness are completely interconnected. DNA changes, consciousness changes. Consciousness changes, DNA changes. DNA IS consciousness spun into matter. The work of Dr. Daniel Burish and others is showing that life and DNA is endemic to Creation, not just an anomaly caused by some correct chemical mix struck by lightening as was the old scientific paradigm. Willhelm Reich discovered what he called "bions." Very basic fundamental LIFE. The Russians did an experiment aboard the space station. They gathered so-called "inorganic" matter from deep space. This matter had been superheated and supercooled by the environment of space and so, by all standards, was considered to be "sterile." That is, void of life. They carefully isolated this space matter from any contamination and then bombarded it with scalar "torsion" waves. They have a device that geometrically FOCUSES scalar waves. This device has no external power source, it is only a certain geometrical shape. A toroid spiral object with a configuration of holes. Anyhow, they aimed these scalar waves at this supposedly "sterile" matter from deep space. They were amazed when it began to configure into a SPIRAL configuration which had the characteristics of DNA. To what extent I do not know. Dr. Daniel Burish recently presented his Project Lotus to Cal Tech. Briefly, Dr. Burish's hypothesis is that LIFE comes about when a micro-wormhole, which he calls a "portal," spontaneously opens up and bombards matter with focused scalar waves -- much like the Russian experiment on the space station. Dr. Burish has fond evidence of this in ancient SHALE. There are many implications. Now, the Plejarens have told us that they exist in a time configuration which is a fraction of a fraction of a second different than our own. This means, when they manifest here, they are time travelers because any time configuration, even a fraction of a fraction of a second different from ours, means a different DIMENSION. So, ETI can travel back and forth between dimensions. Time and space are two different sides of the very same coin. When you increase the space between quanta, the "density" is changed, TIME is changed and thus dimension is changed. TIMELINE is changed. This is what has led many to say that this energetic change, peaking around 2012, CHANGES our density and our dimension. In other words, we ORTHOROATE slightly (or greatly) into a DIFFERENT DIMENSION and density change. This, of course, represents a tremendous change in our human consciousness on planet earth. This also explains how ETI can "disappear" and "reappear." Or, only using "thought" can beam themselves into different dimensions. They don't "travel" across space at all but simply change frequency. Apparently the beings of the highest consciousness need no beamships, however, perhaps they use the beamships to carry other things they may need. It was discovered by the U.S. government at Roswell that the SHIPS themselves were LIVING BEINGS and totally interconneted with their occupants which FLEW them by THOUGHT. The ships themselves, although metalic, were a kind of ... nervous system which were totally interactive with the occupants. Ever looked into the vast amount of investigation done on the Carlos Dias case? Those ships of LIVING LIGHT remind me so much of the Plejaren beamships. Not only that but Carlos' experience with the beings he encounters are a kind of, for lack of a better phrase, an ECOLOGICAL MISSION. Perhaps, we TOO are about to discover how dimensions, timelines and densities operate according the the Laws and Directive of Creation. In fact, it may be a requirement to eventually explore the multifarious worlds of time and space. These are just some speculative thoughts but it seems that many very serious scientific investigations are now leading in this direction. Peace be upon the earth and among all beings! Roy We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 402 Registered: 07-2004 |
Roy, Could you provide your sources that bring you to these statements... "In other words, we ORTHOROATE slightly (or greatly) into a DIFFERENT DIMENSION and density change. This, of course, represents a tremendous change in our human consciousness on planet earth." Thanks. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Nestingwave Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 03-2005 |
Hi Kingman, send me an email at nestingwave@yahoo.com and I will attach a .pdf paper written by the scientists developing the new Life Physics. salome, Roy P.S. I misspelled the word. It is ORTHOROTATE. We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 406 Registered: 07-2004 |
Roy, I visited your website today. You are very involved in believing some extraordinary events and ideas. How much is real is very tiny. Seeing how you believe your a contactee that's been shown insights in coming Earth events , what do you see happening that the 'ETI' are engaged in? Also, is the paper your suggesting available on line? a friend in america Shawn | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 07-2008 |
Ich empfehle mich Ihnen, Kameraden! A good Comrade on 'Project Avalon' suggested me to follow an interview given by a certain Mr Drunvalo Melchizedek, about the current state of our Global Affairs. (http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/drunvalo.htm) I have to say that it impressed me. I googled the name, but didn't find a single 'negative' review of himself or/and of his work. What do you make of it? Does anyone know more about this Gentleman? Salome. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 666 Registered: 10-2000 |
I've been watching this and have a problem with the "mystical" context, the "grid", "kundalini", importance placed on the Mayans, plus the Sumerians being referred to as originating 6,000 years ago when the Meier material has them originating about 30,000 years ago, if I recall correctly. It seems to be a mainly right brain context that emphasizes certain symbolism and romanticism about various indigenous people as if that in itself was the valuable element. He repeatedly says that he's just "being used" for some greater purpose, etc. This seems to be kind of opposite to the core teaching of self-responsibility...as well as not making oneself "special". I am not in the position to know the actual meaning or value of this approach. I just think that it relies on too much "stuff". Obviously we are out of touch with our environment and other points that would surely overlap with some of the concerns he expresses. Again there is also emphasis on the Mayan and their calendar, ceremonies, etc. Plus there's the bit about the crystal skulls, which the Meier material has described as not being of ancient origin (or significance). So, while there are interesting elements to the story, maybe it's my more left brain approach (actually, I hope it's a balanced hemisphere approach) that has a slightly allergic reaction to the material. My own thinking is that our current situation is not so much in need of ceremonies and trying to figure out stuff about the Mayan as it is about conscious awareness on the part of each human being...and conscious, intelligent action emanating from it. Michael Horn | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 07-2008 |
Hello Mr Horn, I appreciate your insights on Mr Melchizedek's interview. It specially struck me when Mr Melchizedek made mention of the reality of Atlantis and of the Mayans as being descendants of that Civilisation, and went on to state the future return of Humans from Sirius and other places, calling them our Ancestors - which information/assumption seems to be in line with the Knowledge on these specific matters provided by Herr Meier, the way i understand it ("[...]Few other details are needed to explain the number of diverse human skin tones on Earth. From our previous explanations, it should now be apparent that various human races and their skin colors originated throughout the most diverse planetary systems of our galaxy, the Milky Way. The regions of Sirius, however, played a specific role too, at least with respect to the actual Ur-Ur-origin, before the Old Lyrians came to Earth where they later merged with terrestrial human beings. Numerous distant descendants from those early days inhabit this planet today.[..]": Contact Report 251;http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251) I was furthermore pretty tempted to see a connection between the Return of those Ancestors, in the words of Mr Melchizedek, and the scheduled withdrawal of The Noble Plejarans(Contact Report 251; Introductory words between Ptaah and Billy: [...] Billy Of course, you had to do that, that's clear. A long time ago Sfath already told me, along with Asket, Semjase and Quetzal, that you people would have to do this once the year 1995 had begun. You, too, told me the same, and I had to promise all of you to keep silent until the time when you would all withdraw from Earth for good. I am familiar with the reason for your withdrawal, but I don't know whether I am allowed to speak of it officially because you told me that it would have to remain a secret for the time being, at least until 1995 when you are all leaving the Earth. Ptaah You must continue to keep this secret; do not speak about it under any circumstances. We are only permitted to elaborate to the point as our withdrawal from Earth is linked with the immediate future and related events, in which we are not allowed to interfere in any form so that we may protect and keep close reigns on the secret regarding our own culture and region where we live. This is tied in also with the fact that some matters are impending. On one hand, we were able to foresee them but, on the other hand, they are the reason for our withdrawal, while events that have been unfolding on Earth for several decades now were part of our assignments. [...]). I wonder what the Forum would think of my speculations. Thanks for 'The Silent Revolution of Truth', Mr Horn; it was inspiring to hear from some of those Comrades quietly working hard behind the scene - the Core Group - and seeing Herr Meier, well and kicking, was particularly refreshing! Salome. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 344 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hello Phenix I studied the Flower of Life material some years ago as an extension of my research of sacred geometry. I even participated with Dan Winter and Ron Holt, the director of FOL, in an experiment inside the Integratron, built by George Van Tassel. I also knew Drunvalo’s half-brother Ken Page and studied with him for a short period of time. But all of this was before I found out that Drunvalo Melchizadek, a.k.a. Bernard Perona was on the CIA payroll. I may not reference my original source, it is beyond the scope of this forum anyway, but if you google “Drunvalo Melchizadek, CIA” together, and then sift through what you find there, you will see enough of the iceberg sticking above the water to begin your own understanding of Drunvalo as a disinformation agent. This period was also before Dan Winter was sued by Stan Tenen for plagiarism. If you go to the link below, and read the explanatory notes to the end, you will get a better flavor of Drunvalo’s deceptive nature: http://www.danwinter.com/DM0492.html Here is a partial excerpt from the above: I was not at all prepared when Mr. Melchizedek told me that he would not rein in Mr. Winter unless I joined with him and his multi-millionaire benefactor, Jirka Rysavy in "channeling Lucifer." <snip> What followed was like a grade "B" horror or gangster movie. Mr. Melchizedek not only told me that he and Mr. Rysavy were channeling Lucifer, but that now that he had told me this, if I did not go along with him and if I did not turn my work over to Mr. Winter, "they (I assume he and/or his Lucifer-channeling friends) would 'get' me." When I became aware of Drunvalo's role with the CIA, I entered a long investigative period in my life that revealed the extend of the CIA's involement in molding the popular New Age movement. Regards Bob | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 667 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Phenix, Thanks for your comments. I do want to add some things. First, it must be stated that many indigenous peoples have lived under brutal, suppressive conditions and have had to develop some strong survival tactics. These peoples have often also learned how to live closer to the land, survive with less, read nature better, etc. Though these are generalizations, there is some accuracy there, as well as usefulness for those who have observed and learned from their travails, especially since many, many people will increasingly be put into positions and situations not unlike those that these peoples have often lived with for a long time. Now let's also reflect on the fact that, using the Meier material as the reference point, the Atlanteans were anything but a folksy group of nature spirit worshippers, etc. They were a very high-tech race who really blew it. So if any of them survived and migrated to places like South and Central America (perhaps as well to Egypt) their need to adapt and survive, like other stranded, high-tech ET races may have had to when their technology failed them here during more primitive times, they also "degenerated" away from their former more technical status and had to adapt to living closer to nature, more tribally, without their previous tools and comforts. This may well have produced another kind of intelligence and wisdom. But it doesn't mean that the distant descendants of the Atlanteans, if indeed the Mayan, Hopi and others are indeed them, retained or knew the actual facts about their past. The legends that became part of their world may have become more story-like, more anecdotal and mystical, even if they retained or developed certain areas, like the calendars, etc. simply because they had to rely more on spoken word, etc. Of course, it's also possible that, rather than all of them being the descendants of Atlanteans, that they were visited by other ETs who ruled them, influenced them, etc., either instead of the other scenario or in conjunction with it. Since the Drumvalo fellow (who I think changed his name from something more mundane) has already gotten some information wrong and/or confused, it makes me want to stay more focused on the actual value of the various indigenous people's contribution to these times rather than the mystification and romanticism that Drumvalo infuses the whole thing with...all the while effectively making himself the center of the story; the almost reluctant "savior" compelled to fulfill some mission from his past life, which he remembers in every detail. I'm sure that criticisms can be made of Meier's story, though he has had anything but a cushy life and stays out of the limelight, rather than in it. When he does give interviews, one can see that he is very matter of fact in conveying information and answering questions. He doesn't make it all about himself, or the Plejaren for that matter, he conveys the information without infusing it with belief systems and/or making the Plejaren "special". So I don't think that this kind of information really serves the highest possible purpose. It's interesting, there are good stories but with so much of it there's not much to do with it. The keys, once again, appear to be self-responsibility and, no matter what date on a calendar, or who someone (or group) may have been in the past, we have the present to deal with. And that requires clear-headed thinking as well well as inspiration and artful sentiments. Michael Horn | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 345 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hello again, Phenix I have some additional thoughts concerning Drunvalo that might interest you and others since he is part of current events, and I will keep it relevant to the Meier material. In Drunvalo’s first book, The Flower of Life, Vol I, there is actually plenty of good factual information pertaining to how geometry and mathematics serve as the framework of the physical universe. It is not until Volume II that the weirdness really begins. Drunvalo describes the “angels” that appear before him, and give him certain tasks to perform as part of his training. One of these tasks involved descending down beneath the great pyramid as a type of “fear” initiation. It wasn’t until I came upon the Meier material that I grasped the full significance of what was being said and the connection to the Gizeh intelligences. It is no coincidence that there are so many references and tie-ins to the Egyptian religions appearing in the writings of Drunvalo and JJ Hurtak. These two, along with Jose Arguelles are all orchestrated to reinforce and “witness” to each other as part of a bigger agenda that I will get into later. What is so unfortunate in all of this, is all the innocents who get involved in these machinations. I had a friend who wrote articles for Drunvalo’s e-zine, the Spirit of Ma’at, but soon quit with disillusionment when she realized the deception. They were not so concerned with the accuracy of her articles as they were in how they could be molded to support Drunvalo. And what is disturbing of all is how the CIA has orchestrated the artificial “Indigo child” phenomenon (which Drunvalo also pushes in his writings) as a way of flushing out and identifying children with true psychic abilities. Let me be clear – I am not saying that all the kids who get tagged Indigo actually have psychic abilities. Only that its real purpose is to encourage parents whose kids may exhibit signs of psychic abilities to come forward. And finally Phenix, regarding the video you linked in your original post, there is no “going back”. The CIA-New Age agenda is to "assimilate" any "back to the land" cultures -- the Mapuche in Chile, the Natives of Oaxaca, Chiapas, etc. Regards Bob | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 07-2008 |
Thanks for your useful insights and your comprehensive explanations, Mr Horn and Bob. I truly appreciate. Well, i am going back to my 'Philosophie des Lebens' von Herr Meier - i have been long enough distracted! Have a nice day, Kameraden, and see you at the Peace Meditation, tomorrow and Sunday. Salome. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 07-2008 |
Beste Empfehlung, Kameraden! There is some astonishing information/revelation going around right now on Project Avalon's Forum. It came from a certain Mr Bill Deagle. Summary: A/ some major financial event(most likely in Europe) on Oct 7 would set all in motion; B/Followed by Nuclear hit in US (possibly LA) C/Followed by Biological hit in US (avian Bird flu) D/All with in a year. (http://projectavalon.net/bill_deagle_4_oct_2008.mp3) No need to say that the mood on 'Project Avalon' is close to open panic. Here is what i wrote to Kamerad J_rod7 there(he is off for the time being): Guten Tag, Herr J_rod7, Wie geht es Ihnen heute? Ich habe Ihre Nachricht mit Bezug auf 'Alien Interview' gelesen - gute, tiefe Analyse! - und darauf schon gereagiert. Did you hear the latest news here? - the revelations of Mr Bill Deagle? On this matter, going through the post, i came across this: (Truth-Freedom; post 18) "The reason for so many different beings of prophecy to tell US of 10/07/08 is so we will come together and take action. Did you hear Dr. Deagle say 'he was told to go sit in he study and then we was told to call Bill & Kerry'? And then what to they do? They post it for US! I made a post right after Avalon started in the dreams section about 'being able to change things'. THAT IS WHY ANY PERSON READING THIS HAS BEEN LED HERE! HalfPastHuman even gives a specific time of Oct 7, 2008, 12:10 AM Pacific. That's 7:10 am UTC. Do we have any choice but to organize a massive collecting of the conscience? I think we have to do it. We need to find out who on this forum is an 'expert' at mass prayer/meditation/spirit talk, whatever you want to call it. I've been involved in large prayer meetings but none as big as what we need to get going. There must be people on this forum who have experience in spiritual/energy work. Please speak out! Personally, I keep seeing Kerry and Duncan involved in this. Did anyone else get cold chills when Duncan talked about going to Vietnam as a child and linking together like batteries? What is used for bad can also be used for good if the intent is good. Does anyone know Miriam Delicado? She talks about groups acting together in this way. Maybe Bill and Kerry will want to organize something. Should we all make plans and then message them? Why can't we get all of their 'whistleblowers' involved in this as well? At this point, all my fear is gone and I'm just ready to do whatever needs to be done to co-create a future of liberation. Who's with me? __________________ ...little bird, little bird, oh where are you going, little bird? " Herr J_rod7, Shall we invit our Comrades at 'Avalon' to the Collective Peace Meditation of this evening? Was finden Sie davon? Salome. RaKaR www.futureofmankind.co.uk Gern your assessment, Kameraden. Salome | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 07-2008 |
Beste Empfehlung wieder, Kameraden, I felt called to take some step. So, here is what i just posted on 'Project Avalon': Default Re: Urgent Message from Bill Deagle Blood Sacrifice of US I salute you, Ladies and Gentlemen, There is a collective Peace Meditation taking place worldwide today, based on the Plejaran's Healing Technics. The Meditation will take place twice, according to the following schedule: Schedule for North America - Sunday PST Los Angeles 11.00 AM Noon MST Salt Lake City Noon 1.00 PM CST Tulsa 1:00 PM 2:00 PM EST Miami 2:00 PM 3:00 PM 'Exceptions: Arizona does not follow daylight savings!' Schedule for Europe - Saturday GMT London, UK 17:30 19:00 CET Amsterdam, NL 18:30 20:00 EET Helsinki, Finland 19:30 21:00 MSK Moskou, Russia 20:30 22:00 Schedule for Europe - Sunday GMT London, UK 19:00 20:00 CET Amsterdam, NL 20:00 21:00 EET Helsinki, Finland 21:00 22:00 MSK Moskou, Russia 22:00 23:00 'Europe uses 'Military style' time notation, 00:00 - 23:59; not the AM/PM timescheme.' Information for Australia: Eastern Australian Eastern Standard Time (AEST) is equal to Greenwich Mean Time plus 10 hours (GMT +10). AEST is followed in these regions: * New South Wales (except Broken Hill) * Victoria * Queensland * Tasmania * Australian Capital Territory Central Australian Central Standard Time (ACST) is equal to Greenwich Mean Time plus 9 ½ hours (GMT +9 ½). ACST is followed in these regions: * South Australia * Northern Territory * Broken Hill, NSW Western Australian Western Standard Time (AWST) is equal to Greenwich Mean Time plus 8 hours (GMT +8). AWST is followed in these regions: * Western Australia Daylight Saving New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania, and the Australian Capital Territory from early to late October to the end of March observe daylight saving time. Queensland, Western Australia and the Northern Territory do not observe daylight savings. Where daylight saving is being observed: * AEST becomes Australian Eastern Daylight Time (AEDT), and clocks are advanced to GMT +11. * ACST becomes Australian Central Daylight Time (ACDT), and clocks are advanced to GMT +10 ½. For Japan, add 8 hours to all CET time for the correct meditation times. (More information at:http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Bil...ace_Meditation) The basics of this Meditation is the focused, as conscious as possible, repetition, during 20 minutes, of the Lyrian Sentence: "Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!" The vowels in the meditation sentence are pronounced in English phonetics as follows: Saalome (aa = father) gum naan (aa = father) ben uurda (uu = crew, moo) gun neeber asaala (aa = father) hesporona (o = tone, go). Posture: 1. The meditators either sit at a normal height (no upholstered seats or the like) around a table, or else, they take a lotus/cross-legged position or sit on their haunches on a carpeted surface, whereby a small stool or a cushion, blanket, and so forth, is used as a seat. It is important that the spine and the head be relaxed and upright throughout the entire meditation period. [ 2. The minimum distance to the pyramid must be more than 50 cm (20"), measured from the chest to the pole of the antenna. 3. Participants seated around a table hold hands with those beside them and are, therefore, linked together in a closed circle. The palm of the left hand points upward and clasps from underneath the right hand of the person to the left, while the right hand, palm down, holds the left open palm of the person to the right.] = with special Pyramid. 4. Another permissible position while not holding hands is as follows: When meditating on the floor, the back of the open palm may be placed upon the knees, while the fingertips, curled upwards, point toward the meditator's forehead. As a variation, the hands can be placed, palm-down, upon the person's own thighs, whereby the fingertips rest at the knees. 5. In another version, for those sitting on the floor (5 persons or more), the person's own left thigh (above the knee) and the thigh of the meditator to the right serve to support the person's hands (which are positioned as described in #3). [ 6. When the individual meditates at a table, both arms are extended toward the left and right sides of the pyramid in front of the individual, hands held open vertically with fingertips pointing toward the pyramid while the narrow edge of the palms rests on the table.] = with special Pyramid. 7. The meditation, respectively speaking the Lyrian sentence, is performed with the eyes closed. At the end of the 20 minutes, possibly signaled through a muffled beep (e.g., put a towel over a flower pot that covers a kitchen alarm or the like), the participants should "rest" with closed eyes, while holding the same position 2-3 minutes longer until the designated person announces "yes." Ensure that the meditation is performed without disturbances; hence, free from pagers or [cellular] phones ringing, unannounced visitors at the door, TV sounds or similar noise! Peace and Wisdom. RaKaR www.futureofmankind.co.uk Salome. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1547 Registered: 12-1999 |
Phenix, Maybe in the future you could provide links for this Meditation info. Thanks Scott | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 07-2008 |
Hello Scott, Thanks for your sharp eye. I did provide the link in the middle of my (pretty long) post 62, that is: (More information at:http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Bil...ace_Meditation). It unfortunately did not come out completely. The right link is actually: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Spiritual_Teachings#The_Peace_Meditation I am going to correct it also on Project Avalon' Forum. Good vibes and see at the Meditation. Salome. | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi all, Does Billy or Figu have any thing to say about the current spate of web predictions of the next couple of weeks? Salome Tony. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 07-2008 |
Gruss Kameraden, Just compare this: http://www.rinf.com/news/nov05/lucifer-project.html Published: 10/06/2008 17:45:30 "This is a documentation and study of the feasibility of creating a sustainable fusion reaction from an initial fission reaction on Saturn caused by a significant quantity of Plutonium-238 being inserted deep into the atmosphere. A fusion-ignited Saturn-sun would be the key to creating a human-habitable area on Titan. This report is the result of my intensive research on this subject since late 2002. I could not be so confident in my assertions if it were not for the additional key research of Jacco van der Worp, a Netherlands physicist, and former NASA Consultant, Richard C. Hoagland. I am sure I will be accused of being an alarmist, but I believe the information presented here will convince any open mind that there is at least some suspicious activity regarding NASA's Galileo and Cassini missions. There are a few people in the world, who with endless imagination and creativity in union with massive resources and high technology have been playing “God” and secretly experimenting with changing the makeup of our solar system. There are not too many plans conceived that could be greater than creating a new star in our own backyard. One could almost claim godship upon success." [...] (Comment by one Project Avalon'Member) "Hey i was checking this out a while back. they were supposed to hit saturn around july or something but as far as i can tell there has been nothing so far. Also i know that they already tried to use the same technique on jupiter. they hit it with around 14 lbs of plutonium whereas the saturn mission is supposed to have like 3 times as much, around like 73 lbs or something. the thing i hear people saying about this is the gravity in general most likely wouldnt be strong enough from a nuke for any fusion effect to happen. kinda like with jupiter, theres now a huge black dot on the atmosphere from that blast, yet nothing came of it. I have been checking back every now and then since july about this and so far, nothing. so dont worry too much, i figure it either failed or was scrapped.." (http://www.rinf.com/news/nov05/lucifer-project.html) With this: [...] "During this same period, once again, the megalomanic scientists will perform an incredible spectacle by producing a gigantic second sun. Although this group of scientists will be small in number, nonetheless, through a dangerous experiment they will ignite one of the SOL planets, which will burn for seven days and glisten in the SOL system as a second sun before it burns out and fades. Jupiter and Saturn could be equally suitable candidates for this experiment as they are uncompleted miniature suns, making redundant the selection of planets for this future insanity." [...] (Herr Meier: Contact Report 251;Date/time of contact: Friday, February 3, 1995, 12:01 a.m.; http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251) It looks pretty much like Herr Meier has done it again! Salome. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 704 Registered: 06-2000 |
Bodhran; I'm sure they dont keep up with the Kreskins of the world . Their own predictions are usually no more than one week ahead due to volatility of the characters , governments and circumstances . MC Mark Campbell | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 07-2008 |
Kameraden, I found the following to be an interesting assessment of the Current Earth Events: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912 Salome. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 07-2008 |
Kamerad Moderator, This is an addition to my post 65: EARTH'S INTERIOR ENERGIES, as expressed in Contact Report 251((Herr Meier: Contact Report 251;Date/time of contact: Friday, February 3, 1995, 12:01 a.m.; http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251) [...] "And again, new and deadly weapons will be developed from this. Scientists tend to utilize everything they can get their hands on, and for this reason it is inevitable that Man will stop the Greenhouse Effect and utilize its effects in reverse, thereby preventing a further melting of the polar caps. These actions, in turn, will lower the highly elevated water levels of all oceans. During this period, terrestrial Man will increasingly dedicate himself to space travel, which he had neglected for many years. Venus will be particularly interesting for terrestrial human beings during this period, and for this reason Man will contemplate sending a manned space capsule to the volcanic planet. Simultaneously, Man will avail himself of a new energy source by exploiting the EARTH'S INTERIOR ENERGIES. He will develop two new, dangerous weapons." [...] are mentioned in 'Zeitgeist' (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912), as an alternative everlasting source of pure energy for the whole Humanity of the Future. Furthermore: we read in the same Contact Report 251: [...] "In addition to these events, many other things will transpire concurrently, e.g., of a political, military, religious, scientific, evolutionary and cosmic nature; the prediction that the terrestrial social formats of states still prevalent in 1995 will be abolished and replaced with new programs, whereby the individual no longer must personally make provisions for his or her old age through his personal finances, because society, or rather the federal state, will pay for it. A very inexpensive energy source will increase food supply production to the point where food can be distributed without charge. More of this incredibly inexpensive energy will be generated than Man on Earth can utilize. The cost of living will therefore drop to nearly zero. Pension plans, for example, along with other financial support systems, will become redundant, if for no other reason than the fact that virtually no income will be required any longer for a person's livelihood. At this point money will completely lose its value for these very same purposes, except for the fulfillment of personal pleasures, i.e., for recreational and pastime activities, etc. Nevertheless, such actions will not produce solutions to every monetary problem to the point where money will be totally eliminated as legal tender once and for all. People from Earth will continue to be caught up with their thoughts of using money in the near and more distant future; and many hundreds of years will be marked by its use, although two attempts to completely eliminate money will be initiated. These endeavors are doomed, however, because Man simply does not wish to detach himself in the near future from money and wealth. For this reason, all related efforts will be undermined because gold, silver, platinum, palladium, and other valuable, still undiscovered metals, precious stones, jewelry and other items sold illicitly, which will ultimately lead to the collapse of the attempts to abolish money. Money may eventually be prohibited by law in the distant future;..." [...] Kameraden, it is interesting to note that 'Zeitgeist' has the ambition of making MONEY IRRELEVANT in its Future Project( and the trend now, notably onder the advice of Mr George Green, Mr St Clair at Avalon, is to buy gold and silver, goods that are supposed to shortly remplace money, act as source of wealth and means of exchange.) Yet another point: [...] "The human being's body will be stronger, taller and more agile, and his thoughts and feelings as well as his head will embrace all things, and understand and integrate them. But all of this will already begin during the lifespan of the prophet of the new time, for his work will be a valuable contribution in this regard, although it will be denied by many who are jealous or want to know it better. And he will also do much so that the man will no longer be the sole master, for early in his life he will work and be effective so that the woman will come, in order to take hold of the sceptre and change the world for the better. Thus, the woman will be the master of the future times, for she is vigorous and powerful, and will impose her will upon men, and will create a better and more harmonious world in peace and freedom. In the third millennium after Jmmanuel's birth, the woman will rise to become the mother of the millennium. The woman will exude gentleness, love, harmony and peace of the true mother, and will be the perfect beauty and love after the ugliness of barbarity and the death-bringing wars. And the teaching of the prophet will contribute much to that end, whereby the new time in its evolutionary path transforms into a time of ease, in which human beings will sincerely and truly love and share, dream together and make dreams come true. And when this second birth becomes reality for the human being, thoughts and feelings and the head will get hold of the majority of human beings who, in loving their fellow-human being, are altogether one. That will be the end of barbarity, the end of wars and the end of evil. A time of knowledge and wisdom will dawn, and bring near to human beings the true meaning of life, which the prophet of the new time will unwaveringly teach and carry into the world, in spite of treacherous attacks on his life." [...] (Herr Meier: Contact Report 229, Predictions of The Prophet Jeremia;date of Contact: 31st July 1989 - "http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_229") And now, watch this: http://www.prisonplanet.com/naomi-wolf-americans-are-facing-a-coup-as-of-this-morning-its-happened.html Could Naomi Wolf be THE ONE? Salome. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 10-2007 |
honestly you say that like you are surprised, she is just fiquring out what many people in America i'm sure fiqured out living through the last two coups. Not to mention the candidate who met with the Dali Lama already this year. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1549 Registered: 12-1999 |
RoboGirl http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1777667.ece | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 07-2008 |
Beste Empfehlung,Kameraden! The following Expression of Intentions comes from the website of Project Venus, the Idea behind the movie 'Zeitgeist: Addendum': (www.thevenusproject.com) This new experimental city would be devoted to working towards the aims and goals of The Venus Project, which are: 1. Conserving all the world's resources as the common heritage of all of the Earth’s people. 2. Transcending all of the artificial boundaries that separate people. 3. Evolving from a monetary-based economy to a resource-based world economy. 4. Reclaiming and restoring the natural environment to the best of our ability. 5. Redesigning our cities, transportation systems, and agricultural and industrial plants so that they are energy efficient, clean, and conveniently serve the needs of all people. 6. Evolving towards a cybernated society that can gradually outgrow the need for all political local, national, and supra-national governments as a means of social management. 7. Sharing and applying all of the new technologies for the benefit of all nations. 8. Using clean, renewable energy sources such as wind, solar, geothermal, and tidal power, etc. 9. Ultimately utilizing the highest quality products for the benefit of all the world’s people. 10. Requiring environmental impact studies prior to construction of any mega-projects. 11. Encouraging the widest range of creativity and incentive toward constructive endeavor. 12. Assisting in stabilizing the world’s population through education and voluntary birth-control to conform to the carrying capacity of the earth. 13. Outgrowing nationalism, bigotry and prejudice through education. 14. Eliminating any type of elitism, technical or otherwise. 15. Arriving at methodologies by careful research rather than random opinions. 16. Enhancing communication in the new schools so that our language and education is relevant to the physical conditions of the world around us. 17. Providing not only the necessities of life but also offering challenges that stimulate the mind, emphasizing individuality rather than uniformity. 18. Finally, preparing people intellectually and emotionally for the possible changes that lie ahead. Like all other innovative social proposals, it starts out with a few devoted people that dedicate their time to informing others of the humane benefits of this new direction. People are invited to participate in whatever capacity they can to help carry out the initial design phases of this new experimental city. An interdisciplinary team of systems engineers, computer programmers, architects, city planners, sociologists, psychologists, educators and the like would also be needed. I wonder what you think of this, Kameraden, but it looks like a Social Application of The Teaching of Herr Meier to me. Salome. | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 03-2008 |
It looks too good to be true... Don't suppose that if the project would be made working the elite class would try to oppose this by any means. I mean, first is getting rid of the monetary system which would hurt them a lot. Adrian. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 07-2008 |
Gruss, Kamerad Adrian, One could put it also that way. Those behind that Project recognized that consequence and recommend to undertake some Peaceful Social Actions - requiring some Individual Self Commitment - in order to, first, restaure and/or reaffirm the Sovereignty of the People. Salome. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 10-2007 |
it looks like a nice place to live, I would only add: -banning of all Tonbandstimmen, -protection of water for liquid nourishment as we can read the importance of this in Gias translation and also Billy recommends drinking water in his meditation book, and oddly enough drinking water appears to be good for our human RNA and our solar plexis /see book "the bodies many cries for water" by F. Batmanghelidj, M.D. -the complete adaption of the earth charter -the mulitnational peace keeping force | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1552 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Corey, I must have an older Meditation book, because I don't remember anything about drinking water. Do you recall what Billy mentions about water? Thanks Scott | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 185 Registered: 08-2007 |
I recall Ptaah saying that the amount of Water one needs to drink varies enormously with the Individual, confirming Billy's Experience that he himself generally does not require much Water intake, as e.g. when he lived in the Desert and did not drink much of it. Billy said that he more often drinks Coffee or suchlike than pure Water, the excessive Drinking of which makes him feel ill. This is all in the Contact Reports. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 07-2008 |
Beste Empfehlung, kamerad Corey, "it looks like a nice place to live, I would only add: -banning of all Tonbandstimmen, -protection of water for liquid nourishment as we can read the importance of this in Gias translation and also Billy recommends drinking water in his meditation book, and oddly enough drinking water appears to be good for our human RNA and our solar plexis /see book "the bodies many cries for water" by F. Batmanghelidj, M.D. -the complete adaption of the earth charter -the mulitnational peace keeping force" The name 'Zeitgeist'('Spirit of the Time'; 'Spirit', a Concept we could easily trace back to Herr Meier)they use to designate this Movement struck me straight away, and i have to say that when i read what this Project stands for, the very first idea that came to my mind was, that those behind it are, either aware of this particular Teaching of Herr Meier(Social/ Sociological) or have thoroughly studied Contact Report 251 (http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251); Contact Report 229, Predictions of The Prophet Jeremia (http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_229); 'Warning to all The Governments of Europe: Meier Prophecies 1958 (http://www.theyfly.com/lost/meier.prophecies.1958.htm); 'The Henoch Prophecies' and 'What The Plejarens Wish For Earth Humans (http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_215), among other Works of Herr Meier. As for your last addition(-the mulitnational peace keeping force.), Zeitgeist/Project Venus would like to and calls for the suppression of National Armies, beginning with the US Army, altogether - see point below, point 3 from A/ "Preliminaries: Actions for Social Transformation - individual Self Commitment.", as expressed in 'Zeitgeist: Addendum', the Movie-Manifest of this Project. [1- Expose the Fed Cartel -) Boycott Citibank; JP Morgan Chase; Bank of America. -) Move account eventually to other more Socially Oriented Institutions. 2- Boycott the News Networks(CNN; NBC; ABC; FOX...) -) Use and Protect The Internet. 3- Boycott The Military -) Share information with other People over the True Nature and Agenda of the Current Military. 4- Boycott The Energy Companies -) Move to Clean Energy; make Your Home and Car Self Sustainable. 5- Reject The Political System -) Focus on Working to Dissolve the Outdated System of Politics, in Favor of Technological Redesign(Resources Based Development) 6- Create Critical Mass -) Join The Movement at: www.thezeitgeistmovement.com -) Work towards A Revolution of Consciousness -) Share News; inform others of the Real State of Technological Achievements; move towards Cooperation and The Declaration of Earth Resources as a Common Human Heritage -) Transform Yourself within, Live Differently -) Promote Self Responsibility.] I am on board. Salome. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 07-2008 |
Ich empfehle mich Ihnen, Kameraden, Would you take a look at the following? (Reference: Contact Report 251; http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251) "New Motor Takes a Giant Step towards Solving Energy, Pollution Crisis Brazilian scientists have announced the development of a breakthrough new motor that they hope will soon power everything from cars to industrial equipment. Just like solar panels capture energy from the sun, the Keppe motor captures essential or scalar energy from the so-called “vacuum” of space – which it turns out is no vacuum at all. Actually, all motors do this, but the prevailing scientific theory doesn’t recognize it. Technology today is still locked into trying to get energy from material and this outmoded process actually blocks the capturing of the free energy found in space. As a result, motors today are much less efficient than they should be. As non-renewable energy sources dwindle fast, massive environmental damage and global warming continue unchecked and electrical bills and oil prices skyrocket, the revolutionary — and completely green — Keppe Motor ushers in a new era of sustainable, clean and inexpensive technology."(http://www.keppemotor.com/) "Keppe Motor Draws Energy from the “Vacuum” of Space Brazilian scientists have announced the development of a breakthrough new motor that they hope will soon power everything from cars to industrial equipment. Just like solar panels capture energy from the sun, the Keppe Motor captures energy from the so called "vacuum" of space -- which it turns out is no vacuum at all." (http://www.nextenergynews.com/news08-2/next-energy-news9.22.08b.html) Salome. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 07-2008 |
Kamerad Moderator, This video-link(15 minutes) is an addition to my previous post. http://video.google.nl/videosearch?q=Daniel+Dingel+Water+Powered+Car&emb=0# Apologies for the trouble. Salome. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 07-2008 |
Kameraden, It looks like we are getting closer to a major event: "Secret United Nations Meetings on Extraterrestrial Life Continue: Threats Used to Prevent Diplomatic Leaks On October 8, 2008, I met with the original source that disclosed that a secret meeting had been held at the United Nations headquarters in New York City on February 12 to discus UFOs and extraterrestrial life. The original source, Source A, discussed the most recent developments concerning secret meetings conducted under UN auspices to discuss UFOs and extraterrestrial life. The October 8 meeting was attended by Source A, Clay and Shawn Pickering (who kindly set up the meeting) and Bob Vanderclock. I spent a total of 4.5 hours discussing the UN meetings and related issues with Source A, and others present. Source A was dressed in full US Navy uniform with identifying insignia including name and rank. He showed me his military I.D. which confirmed his name, rank and pay scale. His I.D. card was valid for a three year period and had a vertical barcode on the left hand side next to his photo." http://exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-80.htm Salome. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 317 Registered: 10-2007 |
* ** Hello All Well, here is a Story I found today which I found to be quite a Shock. Man, talk about Earth Changes, the Events of This Story could have really turned Everything over. You know, just "Browsing" around today. Came across this, which EVERYONE needs to know about. Click on the following Link to read the MOST STARTLING NEWS STORY I've ever found:... http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/08_Nukes/080624.US-Russia.war.html This came across from the website at: http://projectavalon.net/ Folks, Brothers and Sisters, calling ALL, it's Time to Meditate for Peace MOST Earnestly. ** Keep Strong In Spirit * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 10-2007 |
Scott on page 69 in Billy's meditation book, under "Anregung" is the information regarding drinking water as well some information for avoiding Alcohol, Coffee, Tea, and Tobacco. none of which count as water according to the other book I mentioned. I also read less well known FIGU pamplets like Gamma Interferons and such, | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1554 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thanks Matthew and Corey | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 07-2008 |
Beste Empfehlung, Kameraden. There are Prophecies made by an Old Native Indian in exact line with The Predictions of Herr Meier(in the latest translation by Dyson): "In the 1920s, an Apache wise man had a Vision of four prophecies that foretold death and destruction for mankind, unless we incorporate Spirit in our daily lives. Two of these prophecies may already have come true. A number of people can predict the future, but few get the timing correct. "Grandfather" was an Apache wise man and scout, named Stalking Wolf, who grew up outside white man's influence. His many predictions not only came true in the manner he predicted, but also when he predicted. Tom Brown, Jr. learned extensively from Grandfather for twenty years, from their first meeting when Tom was seven years old. Stalking Wolf was the real-life grandfather of Tom's best friend at the time. The following excerpt from Tom's book, The Quest, tells of Grandfather's predictions for all of mankind. [...]" http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=50633&posted=1#post50633 Salome. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 318 Registered: 10-2007 |
Gutenabend-Bruder Phenix Am liebenswürdigsten danke. An excellent Site Grandfather Stalking Wolf does have a clear vision. I would be Curious if He also had Influence from the Hopi / Maya Traditions. I will do more Research myself to find an Answer to this. Salome From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 319 Registered: 10-2007 |
JRod, Please do not use live links (\newurl) unless it directly relates to FIGU information on the FIGU Website or perhaps Michael Horns Website. Sometimes if I have the time I will deactivate them within a post, but generally I don't. Thanks Scott * *** ****** Good Day to All, The following Link is from: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=50633&posted=1#post50633, (With Thanks to Avalon Member Carol)... > "Hopi Prophecy Rock - The End of Times - 2012 - It's The End Of The World As We Know It" < VERY interesting, the Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Vhi...eature=related To watch this AND the following Four or Five video presentations in sequence, will give you a very Graphic Idea of the direction of our Earth. This, for the Reason that Earth Humans HAVE NOT learned the Ways of the Spirit. This, for the Reason that, for this Neglect of Spiritual Truth, The Prophecies of Billy have now come to the Status of Prediction. *** Peaceful and Meaningful Dreams ****** *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 10-2007 |
Rod, in my opinion the light at the end of the Hopi tunnel is only perpetrated conflict, complete with a spiritual heirarchy, awaiting a deity to return after or during a war a promise that the world will be given to them or that the rest of the world will be subjegated then to their particular belief system, many of the similiar things found in many of the religions today, I really didn't want to seem cool, but for the record back then there were reasons I stayed among the Navajo instead, as they are originally from more north where peyote is not commonplace as well as for my safety. Just a thought,  Now im happy reading Billy's books. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 320 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** ***** Thank You Scott, I will remember your Advice. Corey, I appreciate your Point-of-View. However, I rely LESS on the Emphasis on the Hopi (and Maya) Dependancy on any 'return of a particular god', and MORE upon the Sequence of Events which is in the Prophecies. These Events DO seem to 'DoveTail' quite well with the Prophecies which have been given to us from Billy. http://www.theyfly.com/ Happy Reading Salome ****** *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1208 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Corey.... Excellently said! I have also read in the past, certain Hopi literature even concerning Foretellings of our future, which would manifest itself; but, what was the case: those fortellings were nothing more than Falsely 'interpretation' conjured up by certain individuals which had no links to the Hopi whatsoever ...in any shape or form. The case was, that certain Christian orientated individuals interpreted the events in the way THEY would want to see it; and from their false Christosian Cult Religion, of course; poor Hopis whom were already converted, and did not know any better, through their own ignorance. So, it becomes sort of a Western/US (government) Propaganda mechanism, against all that does not comply with them. [Russia and China(RED Danger), in main, being THEIR ultimate danger; as I have read in one of the Hopi books; thus, they are just generating their own demons!; again: interpreted by a Christian! How else can it be: All is BAD....except a Christian!] Edward. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 07-2008 |
Gruß wieder, Kameraden! J_rod7, Vielen dank für Ihre herzlichen Worte; das ist eine große Ehre für mich. This is a follow-up to your post regarding the Perspective of the Natives in the Current Earth Events and Affairs. THE RETURN OF THE ANCESTORS GATHERING: "A historic International multicultural gathering and sacred pilgrimage welcomes Indigenous Elders and Future Wisdom Keepers representing the seven continents of Mother Earth. More info www.earthworksforhumanity.org" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5eohBIOqkw) Salome. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 07-2008 |
Kameraden, Have you heard of the Theories of a Gentleman called Nassim Haramein? - for i went through the archives but found nothing about him. If not, then hier are two video presentations he gave last year(they are pretty long, but worth it). It is an audacious attempt to unify Sciences and Metaphysics through Consciousness, called Unified Field Theory; a sort of very creative, well built up, highly documented and utterly entertaining research, that reminds me the Works of Herr Meier related to Physics and the Grand Universe. The results and consequences are egally revolutionary and mind blowing. Introduction: If you are not yet familiar with Nassim Haramein's exciting work, prepare yourself for an exhilarating odyssey into hyperspace and beyond. Haramein, who has spent his lifetime researching fields of physics from quantum theory to relativistic equations and cosmology, will lead you along a fascinating discussion geared to a layman's understanding of the fundamental nature of the universe and creation that includes black holes, gravitational forces, dimensions, and the very structure of space itself - all of which are integral parts of his now-complete Unified Field Theory. Haramein's theory is currently in peer review process for publication in physics journals; however, the presentation does not end with the introduction of his theory alone, but includes the discussion of the path that he took to arrive at his views, which weaves between the texts and monuments of ancient civilizations, biology, chemistry and the primordial role of consciousness - all of which lend further credence to the science behind the theory. Part one: http://video.google.nl/videosearch?q=nassim+haramein&hl=nl&emb=0&aq=2&oq=nassim#q=nassim%20haramein&hl=nl&emb=0&aq=2&oq=nassim&start=0 Part two: http://video.google.nl/videosearch?q=nassim+haramein&hl=nl&emb=0&aq=2&oq=nassim#q=nassim%20haramein&hl=nl&emb=0&aq=2&oq=nassim&start=0 Salome. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 423 Registered: 07-2004 |
Phenix, Did you go through all the video testaments for this, "THE RETURN OF THE ANCESTORS GATHERING", and take note of the person who was the obvious creator of this event? Well if you missed it, it's Drunvalo M. The following is my strongly understood OPINION: This is a SCAM that plays on the emotions of a very repressed people, and the foreboding false idea of, 'the end of times', scenario. Pure fear baiting. Will these thieving criminal-types never give up! D.V. is trying to raise 1.5 million, or more, to fly participants, and host them at an event at a Native American high school. The unfortunate part of this scam are the innocent participants. Those who have responded to this idea, lent their images and voices in leading others to become hapless victims of another D.V. scandal, and will find the unsatisfactory results a wound to their spirit and the spirit of their people. D.V. will probably complete an event to cover his scandal, but chances are his promises, or projected visions, are mainly illusionary products of his charlatan nature. D.V. is a foul deceiver of men. Always has been, always will be. Posting something that you have not vetted in a proper methodology will water down the confidence others here at this FIGU Forum may have for your postings. Your post is not what I consider a good use of readers time. Do us all a favor and at least master the content that your forwarding to others here, by scrutinizing the subject from the position... "Is this information inline with what we know as being: A) Truthful, B) Figu related, C) Referenced D) Valid, E) Necessary, F) Logic based, G) Worth the time of others to study, and a host of other qualifying aspects I won't list here. If your confused why I'm so adamant about pointing out my OPINION to you Phenix, you are being another short sighted participant at this forum. If you see the point I make, can you begin using the partial guidelines I offer to assist you in your desires to add to the discourse at this FIGU Forum. It will only help. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1557 Registered: 12-1999 |
Kingman, Your e-mail to me would not let me return a response? Scott | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 07-2008 |
Hi Kingman, Thanks for your guidelines; we can certainly always learn from others. As for that video testament, it is actually addressed to Member J_rod7, who expressed the intention to go deeper into that matter. I wonder though, how one would know with certainty that an information satisfies the criteria you set out, specially the first one, without submitting it to the appreciation of others - juist intuitively? Solely subjectively? Salome. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 329 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** ******* Warmest Greetings to All in Peace Shawn, > "The following is my strongly understood OPINION: This is a SCAM that plays on the emotions of a very repressed people, and the foreboding false idea of, 'the end of times', scenario. Pure fear baiting." "confused why I'm so adamant about pointing out my OPINION to you..." < As You must Know: A) Like Attracts Like B) There Is Polarization in All Things, Or There would Be no Motion Or Progress C) EveryOne on Earth Shares From Creation Spirit D) By This Shared Spirit, We are All Interconnected E) EveryOne Has a 'Role' to Play F) EveryOne is 'SomeWhere' along the Path Of Their Own Spiritual Evolution There ARE many among Us here Who DO Entertain Alternative Opinions, Else We become Stagnant in Our Understanding of Events. In consideration of Points A), D) and E), You may be Engaged in some Role to Play-Out WITH Drunvalo M. on some Level, possibly even Subconsciously. "Demons" are only Mental Constructs in the Minds of Less-Evolved Humans. I Appreciate That which Member Phenix brings to Our Attention. Such Gatherings, Meetings of Mind and Spirit, DO give Us Insight into the Global Sequence of Events. Following are these Words from Billy...: > "In this account the actual connections are described which exist among all forms of life in regard to the knowledge of the existence of all forms of life. "In dieser Beschreibung sind die eigentlichen Zusammenhänge beschrieben, die in bezug des Wissens der Existenz aller Lebensformen untereinander bestehen. "In this form, connections also exist among life-forms in relation to memory-connections as well as consciousness-connections and subconsciousness-connections, and thereby, therefore to so-called morphogenetic fields [a.k.a. morphic fields] which enable communication in a form of memory-connection which is not specifically aligned with an exchange of the substance of memory between two particular forms of life of the same type, rather collectively with the respective population of the form of life concerned. "In dieser Form bestehen auch Verbindungen der Lebensformen untereinander in bezug von Gedächtnisverbindungen sowie Bewusstseinsverbindungen und Unterbewusstseinsverbindungen und damit also sogenannte morphogenetische Felder, die in gedächtnisverbindender Form eine Kommunikation ermöglichen, die jedoch nicht spezifisch auf einen Gedächtnisstoff-Wechsel zwischen zwei speziellen Lebensformen gleicher Art ausgerichtet ist, sondern gesamthaft auf die jeweilige Population der betreffenden Lebensform." < ***This From...: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_043 > "[T}he truth reveals only Creation exists, which, as the Universal-Consciousness, created the entire universe and everything within it - including all life forms of which humans are but one. And Creation does not demand anything from us humans and It bears no responsibility whatever for anything humans think or do. The most important factor is that humans are personally responsible for each and every thing they do, and humans must always bear the responsibility and experience the consequences for their own actions..." < ***This From...: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Interview_with_Billy_%281998%29#Regarding_the_topic_of_reincarnation.2C_mention_is_often_made_of_.22Karma..22_Just_what_is_.22Karma.22.3F Namaste ... To the Honor of Our United Spirits, Sharing the Illusion of Separation. Salome ******* *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 424 Registered: 07-2004 |
Now that is a very good post Phenix. You've done a quick reversal in the quality of your linked material. I would like to think I helped in guiding your better decision, but that would not be a true statement. Nassim Haramein is a good candidate for someone who maybe receiving impulses from the P's or from others. I've only gone through the the first video(4hours) and the presenter, Nassim Haramein, is able to examine all the current shortcomings in physics and describe how these allow science to work in their deceptive theories. I highly suggest taking the time to listen to his ideas, many which can help clarify what we are beginning to realize in how all things are organized. He brings up the 12 Apostles at one point and mentions Jmmanuel as the center. I still have four more hours to examine. Till then, I should say I'm still gathering more data before fully giving him a complete referral. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 425 Registered: 07-2004 |
J=rod7, My post was clearly directed to Phenix. But... "Demons"? Where do you gather I've discussed demons? The simple fact is that I feel D.V. is not worth researching his activities/materials, IMO. Talk about that if you think I'm off base. Give me some reasons why this character, D.V. is a great source for knowledge. Discuss his accomplishments, not some idea that, "You may be Engaged in some Role to Play-Out WITH D. V. on some Level," New Age statements like that are worthless props to distract from the point I made. I really don't need to read more information that isn't correct, just so I can tell what not to study. Because that's about the only thing I can derive from your viewpoint. Nothing wrong with having an opinion and expressing it. But when you air it out in public, you present yourself to the world as a part of that opinion. I happen to understand you from what you post here. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 426 Registered: 07-2004 |
Phenix, Posting something with a link makes it a post that attracts anyone reading it. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 07-2008 |
Beste Empfehlung, Bruder J_rod7, Member Kingman and all the others, Bruder J_rod7, I share your view, in the sense that the Reality has different sides, one should be aware of in order to apprehend the all-embracing Expressions of Creation. I believe that Member Kingman meant well and what he does, says and thinks - gleich doesn't do, say and think - are but the Ways he goes through his own, egally important and enriching Creation, Personal Experience. And ja, i would certainly have had wished he recognises and allows me the Same Space, but he chosed not to do so and that is also one of the Infinite Manners of Expression of One's Own Being. I accept that and - still in my specific and independent Way of Being - i am experiencing this Valuable interaction. This is also communication; he expressed his Opinion, i responded to it and You, Bruder im Geist, added you Perspective. We are all learning. All is as it is supposed to be; it is within the Grand Dialectics of Creation. I would like also to quote Herr Meier darüber, from 'Philosophie des Lebens', a Work i am currently concentrating on: "2) Jeder Mensch muss sich selbst sein und daher auch seine eigene Führungspersönlichkeit, die ihre eigenen durchschlagenden Ideen entwickelt, diese verfolgt und verwirklicht.'(Billy, Philosophie des Lebens; page 8). " Die Lehre geht aber auch dahin, dass der Mensch sein Leben in gesundem und rechtschaffenem Rahmen genießen, jedoch nicht seine Leiden und das Negative verneinen soll, weil sowohl das Negative wie auch das Positive zur Evolution und zum Fortschritt notwendig sind."( Billy, Philosophie des Lebens, page 19). "Das Ausüben der Geisteslehre und die Lehre selbst verkörpern das wahre Wesen des menschlichen Lebens, wobei das Ausüben des Gelernten selbst ein Forum zu sich selbst sowie zu den Mitmenschen eröffnet, durch das ein freier Austausch von Gedanken, Gefühlen, Worten und Sichtweisen erfolgt. Das schafft eigene sowie gegenseitige Ermutigungen, durch die zwischenmenschliche Beziehungen und Verbindungen entstehen, aus denen große Fortschrittliche Werte hervorgehen, die in wahrer Liebe, wahrer Freiheit, wahrem Frieden und in Harmonie gründen."(Billy, Philosophie des Lebens; page 25). "Lernen aber ist mit einem Fehlerbegehen verbunden, denn durch die natürliche Regel der Entwicklung ist bestimmt, dass ein Erfolg nur durch Erkenntnis beschieden sein kann, was aber grundsätzlich bedeutet, dass erst Fehler begangen werden müssen, ehe daraus gelernt werden kann. Folgedem ist die ganze Entwicklung darauf aufgebaut, Fehler zu begehen, diese zu erkennen und zu beheben, um erst dann alles richtig zu handhaben."( Billy; Philosophie des Lebens, page 27). "Klar muss diesbezüglich sein, dass diese Werte erlernt werden müssen und nicht jedem Menschen gleichermassen gegeben sind, folglich also evolutive Unterschiede von Mensch zu Mensch bestehen, die tatsächlich Welten voneinander trennen können."(Billy, Philosophie des Lebens; page 35). "Das Praktizieren des Lernens, Ausübens, der Anwendung und der Verwirklichung der Geisteslehre bedarf keinerlei persönlicher Hilfe irgendwelcher Lehrer, denn grundlegend ist das Selbsterlernen der Faktor dessen, der auch durch die schöpferisch-natürlichen Gesetze gegeben ist."(Billy, Philosophie des Lebens; page 42). "Jeder Mensch - ob bewusst oder unbewusst - trägt in seinem Innern den Wunsch, anderen Menschen, irgendwelchen Lebensformen oder sonstigen Dingen ehrfürchtig Respekt und Wertschätzung, Ehre und Würde entgegenzubringen."(Billy, Philosophie des Lebens; page 43). "Alles Existente, auch das Leben, besteht aus Negativ und Positiv, aus Licht und Dunkelheit sowie aus grobstofflicher und feinstofflicher Materie. Beide Formen sind immer miteinander verbunden und bedingen sich gegenseitig. Ohne etwas Feinstoffliches kann nichts Grobstoffliches bestehen, wie es auch umgekehrt der Fall ist. [...] So muss sich der Menschen sowohl mit dem Guten wie mit dem Schlechten auseinandersetzen und zurechtfinden, muss beides handhaben und sich zum besten Fortschritt sowie zur Evolution führen."(Billy, Philosophie des Lebens; page 48). So, i would just say, let the Drunvalos do their things; we will keep on doing ours, and this all for the Glory of Creation - and besides, the 'Desiderata' has already stated: Always respect your fellowmen as fellow human beings, although they may have dispositions that differ from yours; indeed, even the worst among them is a creation of Creation, hence, everyone is just like you - a human being. Achte stets deine Mitmenschen als Menschen, wie sie auch immer geartet sein mögen; selbst der schlimmste unter ihnen ist ein Geschöpf der Schöpfung und daher deinesgleichen - ein Mensch. State your truths freely, clearly, calmly and candidly, for only in this manner is an authentic picture created which defines the true nature of everything. Sag stets frei, klar, ruhig und offen deine Wahrheiten, denn allein durch sie entsteht ein Bild der Wirklichkeit, das die Dinge beim Namen nennt. Allow other people to freely express their opinions, for they are allotted the same rights as you. Lasse auch die andern Menschen ihre Meinung sagen, denn ihnen ist das gleiche Recht gegeben wie dir selbst. Listen to others, to the bright and intellectual individuals, and also to the obtuse, the foolish and those who lack learning, for they, too, have opinions and statements to offer. Höre also auch die andern an, sowohl die Gescheiten und Intellektuellen als auch die Dummen, die Einfältigen und Unwissenden, denn auch sie haben eine Meinung und irgendwelche Dinge zu sagen oder zu erzählen. But distance yourself from aggressive, boisterous and obstinate individuals so as not to become embroiled in their pointless disputes, for such people insult one's consciousness, humaneness and refinement; and yet, at the same time, forget not that they too are beings of Creation, whom you, as a fellow human being, must show appropriate respect, even though you may find their thoughts, feelings, deeds and actions unacceptable. Meide aber angriffige, laute und rechthaberische Personen, um nicht mit ihnen in sinnlose Dispute zu verfallen, denn solche Menschen beleidigen das Bewusstsein, die Menschlichkeit und die Bildung; vergiss dabei aber nicht, dass auch sie Wesen der Schöpfung sind, denen du als Mensch gebührende Achtung entgegenbringen musst, auch wenn ihre Gedanken, Gefühle, Taten und Handlungen nicht akzeptabel sind. It is all just fine. Salome. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1559 Registered: 12-1999 |
Lets get back to the topic | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 07-2008 |
Gern, Kamerad Moderator Scott, sehr gern. Just a quick answer to Member Kingman: If you suggestion, "Posting something with a link makes it a post that attracts anyone reading it." regards the quotes from 'Philosophie des Lebens' des Herrn Meier, then there is unfortunately no link i am aware of i could provide the Forum with, for 'Philosophie des Lebens' is a Book(i would take the liberty to recommend to all Members, who haven't yet explored its Profound Wisdom, to study) i ordered by Figu Schweiz. I could, if needed, wohl translate those quotations into English, provided the Forum would be magnanimous with regard to the imperfections of my German and take that into consideration. 'Desiderata' could eventually be found here: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Desiderata_(Desirable_and_Vital_Items) I can further only thank you for your appreciation; i am certain that your candide observations would further guide my steps on the Noble and Demanding Path towards Self Growth and Understanding - a sharp sense of discernment is indeed a must. As for J_rod7, i assume that he has all right and reason to freely express his own Opinion on this matter, regardless of the recipient of your post(me, in this case), for we are at an Open Forum and the contibution of all Members should be heartfully welcome. PS: kamerad Nastingwave, i read the post you addressed to me in the section 'ET Intervention on Earth'; my response would follow soon. Salome. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 330 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Shawn, Scott, and All, As regarding the alternate Concepts and Knowledge, Billy and Ptaah considered the Work involved to Gain from "various areas of Knowledge" to be Highly Valued. > "That general education is also a part of the Spirit-Teaching was told to us by Ptaah and Billy in two sentences from Semjase-Block no. 22, page 4298. Contact from 10 February 2007. "All instructive knowledge not only promotes general education and foresight in many different things and facts from various areas of knowledge, but it is also a part of the Spirit-Teaching, which is fully comprehensive with regard to every field of knowledge." < -Ptaah, from...: http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash94/Lecture_for_GA_for_MH.pdf The Plejarens, BTW, give Title to Billy as "Prophet of the New Age". So, Shawn, are you saying the "New Age" is some "Bad" Thing?...: > "New Age statements like that are worthless props..." < You have Written: "D.V. is a foul deceiver of men." A statement such as This SURELY Demonizes the Man. Perhaps the Polarization is Too Much for Your Endurance? Where is Your Evidence for such a Statement? I have reviewed your Posts for the past 20-Days, and find, in Ratio, about 9 out of 10 times = You Run SomeOne or Another Down. Would We continue to find the same Ratio if We go back 200 or 2000-Days? I have so-far only found you Reacting to Others' Posts. Where are Your Own Creative Ideas? What have You actually Contributed? How do You come by 'What-You-Know?' Perhaps having lived far too long in Hollywood (or LA-LA Land as some Pundits like to call It), has Immunized Your Sensitivity to Human Values. Ah yes, Hollywood, where every Value is Reduced to 'Plastic Commercialization.' Where ELSE have You Lived? What are You doing with Your Life in such a Place? Once before, I asked if You would be Willing to Share Your Life-Story. So far, You seem Unwilling to Open Yourself to the Rest of Us. WhatEVER, that's Your Choice (so Please don't feed THAT back at Me). Curiosity: Does Your holding an Opinion Preclude Others from Expressing their Own? When I was a Youngster, I used to love going Out into the Wilderness by Myself. Sometimes I even had a Purpose to see if I could actually get Myself Lost. The Journey itself was the Important Aspect. It has been said that Some People "can't see the Forest for the Trees." I learned to see the Forest FROM the Trees. That is one Way that I Honed my Intuition and Sharpened my Perception. May I suggest You try it for Yourself, go out into the Wilderness and Get Yourself Lost. You sign Yourself as "a friend in america". I am willing to accept You as a Friend also, so perhaps We may agree to disagree, and let's get back to Essentials here. Certainly, We are Now in the Midst of some PROFOUND Earth Changes. In My Opinion, It is INCUMBENT upon ALL of Us to become Aware of the Energies and Ideas circulating through the Consciousness of Our Fellow-Travelers on Our Space-Ship Earth. We Know the "Patient is Not Heathy," and by taking the Global 'Pulse' and Symptoms, We will have a better Idea 'what Medicine is needed, and Where.' It Begins with Each of Us, to gain the Wisdom of the Spiritual Teachings, that We may share with Others when needed. We should have the Palliative 'at-hand' for those "Shell-Shocked Ones" coming out of the Dust, out of Darkness to learn = Where We Stand, What ARE Creations' Values. Any among Us yet Uncertain of the Answers, it is "Time to Cram for the Finals." With this last Thought, I again encourage Everyone to Read ON SPREADING THE TEACHING OF THE SPIRIT...: http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash94/Lecture_for_GA_for_MH.pdf Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 07-2008 |
Gruss, Kameraden, Some major Event might be taking place in the USA. "Bush Guilty Of First Deg Murder" http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21057.htm Salome. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 427 Registered: 07-2004 |
J=rod7, You have reached deep within yourself and you have made some strong personal statements. I respect all you say as your true understanding about how you perceive me. How could it be any other way. We are apart in ways that are probably not that important when it comes right down to describing our differences. We both study the teachings of Creation and share thoughts on this forum. Out of 7 billion people, there are less than a 1000 here. We are on the same page. How could this also be any other way. I have zero intentions directed towards any particular person on this forum. When I read something that I think should be made aware of, I will engage to the best of my ability as I learn as well in doing this. Obviously I'm not sugar coating anything by your reaction. I am fallible like all others, and as I have said, ill intent is not my intentions. Posting ideas happen when they happen. I am not aware of any quotas. If I am saying such and such person is not my idea of a valuable resource, why don't you educate me on the accomplishments of that person instead of hooking into me. If your fair in your evidence, I will appear the uninformed fool without any words coming from you. As for me, I have had many adventures actually lost in the wilderness, on an ocean island, in a foreign land and in a music culture. Really lost. Not pretending. After my first adventure of traveling as far as I could during the light of one day, I realized I hadn't planned for the time it would take to return home. Lost, but able to finally climb a tall mountain before the dark. I followed the service road of the power lines and ended up half a city away from home when I finally reached the first city light pole. Being only 8 years old, my parents began to know I wasn't afraid of the unknown, or things of danger. More adventure... Myself, my Father, my Brother and his friend, were shipwrecked in a storm off of Santa Cruz Island caused by unexpected Santa Ana Winds while on a three day fishing expedition. I was 11 years old when a giant wave crashed into our boat disabling it and setting it adrift towards the rocks. It was also a moonless night at the time when a final wave forced our sinking boat up onto a cliff of rocks. The boat was destroyed, yet all survived with only cuts and such. What does all this mean? I lived in the high desert without electricity or running water for more than a year. I've travelled by road with my family 3 times across the US(Calif-Maine-Florida) back to the East Coast where I was born. I backpacked through Europe for nearly 3 months, half the time by myself. Trips to Mexico, Canada, South America. As a sales trainer, I visited two major cities a week for two and a half years for a nationally known speaker. That should be enough for now. I'm hardly green behind the ears. While I may live in a concrete jungle, that is only a part of my learning. But I have many opportunities to help people here in the city and this remains as a main reason for living here at this time. Where better to study humanity in the modern age than in a metropolis. Get lost in a big city and you will learn fast, or succumb. And when I say 'New Age', I refer to the movement of people who take Billy's teachings and mimic them for their own 'Cosmic Wisdom' nonsense theories that have poor esoteric-like wording. I assumed that you were familiar with that term, because it's old enough by now to be part of the vernacular. You quote Ptaah here... "All instructive knowledge not only promotes general education and foresight in many different things and facts from various areas of knowledge, but it is also a part of the Spirit-Teaching, which is fully comprehensive with regard to every field of knowledge." Is he speaking of knowledge, or is he speaking of false teachings? I'll let you respond and tell me what his meaning is. In your final statement you are spot on in what you state. Jmmanuel's predictions foretell that we are living in the age where humanity will experience its greatest changes across the planet. We are both on the same page, just perceiving it from our own points. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 419 Registered: 12-2004 |
It would be appreciated if you guys respect the moderators when they ask to return to the topics, I would assume we are all adults and can understand such a request from the first time. Salome, Badr | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 418 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Rod, Billy Meier is the prophet of the aquarian (aquarius) age 1844-2029. In german, Wassermanszeit... The plejaren and Billy usually refer to "new age sectarians" because they say in these times we live in way too many people are ready and willing to consume wild, absurd, nonsensical and propagandistical information about the unknown (UFO's-New Age), some sort of an explosion of incredible, sensational and histerical information which does not pursue understanding, rationalization, common sense, but the opposite, wild ideas, extreme imagination, fake stories and prostitution and transformation of the truth into non-values. In these times so called "effective truth" is not given any credit, instead, the fake prophets, fake stories and pathological liars like Adamski, Kal Korff, Alex Collier, Sitchin and the like get a recognition they do not deserve, because the average reader and average reviewer is not able to identify the ills of mankind and pays attention to fake prophets with a superficial, frivolous, insusbstantial message. So it's time to separate the wheat from the chaff. It's better to know just a little bit of the effective truth and work on it than to try to understand the whole UFO-New Age movement. Just to explore (and accept as true) the concept of reincarnation may take years and even decades. Saalome | ||
Creational New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 09-2008 |
Hello Phenix, I just finished Nassim Haramein videos on google which you recommended and I found them very interesting.I like to ask Billy's feedback about him. Do you know how and when I can ask Billy my questions? Thanks Zhila | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 331 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello Shawn, Just a Quick response here, in reference to the Words from Ptaah to Billy...: > "All instructive knowledge not only promotes general education and foresight in many different things and facts from various areas of knowledge..." < Ptaah is speaking about ALL Sources of Knowledge: Whether from Universities, from Books, from the Internet, from Lectures, general Education, or Experiential Knowledge one gains from Living - Learning from Errors and correcting Them. In the Sub-Phrase: "many different things and facts," I would say that the KEY here is facts. As We understand that to be factual, is to be based in Truth, Insofar as We Know Truth. This is where "false-teachings" are separated from knowledge in our journey through Life. We must also acknowledge that there are "gray areas" in the process of Separation. The gray areas overlap with "the many different things." There is a 'Mental Filter' which We each apply in our own ways to these gray areas. This is a part of our Spiritual Growth and Evolution, to develop Discernment. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 07-2008 |
Gruss to All, Kamerad Creational-Zhila, I also would like to clarify and check a couple of places from the Grand Unified Field Theory, for, meiner Meinung nach, Mr Haramein brings forward some crucial Insights, which, once thoroughly investigated and subsequently adopted and effectively applied, could be a major Revolution in the 'Established' Physics and would hence lead to an Understanding of Reality, whereby Physics and Epistemology are logically combined to testify of the Oneness of Being and Experience - for the inclusion of Supreme Consciousness/Creation into the equation Grand Nuclear Force-Minor Nuclear Force-laws of Gravity-Electrodynamic Force would rightly complete the picture. I can not think of a better way of Recognising the Immutable Validity of the Works of Herr Meier in that specific Area. But we all know that the 'Etablishment' utterly resilient is and that such non-confirmist Views are, as a rule, actively ignored and/or ridiculed - just think of the fate of the researches of Mr Stephane Lupaso, who, as far as i know, is the latest Bright mind to, alas in vain, attempt to shake the 'Establishment'and restaure Physics in all its Grandeur. I am currently going through some Works des Herrn Meier in this field, while awaiting the opening of 'Your Questions to Billy'. I do not know when exactly this Section would be open; so i just keep my eyes on the posting. You could eventually change your settings so that new postings are regularly sent to your private email address - that way you certainly won't miss it. Salome. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1563 Registered: 12-1999 |
Interesting choice of words, the financial crisis "like a Tsunami" http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7687101.stm | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 671 Registered: 10-2000 |
Maybe the tsunami event is beginning to percolate in the collective human subnoxious mind... Michael Horn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 332 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello Badr and Scott > "...be appreciated if you guys respect the moderators..." < I have held the highest Respect for You, and, certainly everyone else Posting here also does. I, for one, appreciate the Work and Efforts You Guys put in to keep these Forums alive. Sometimes, your Job may be described as Herding Cats.  Creational Zhila...: Member Phenix has pointed you in the right Direction. To Know WHEN the "Questions to Billy" Section is Open is a simple setting...: Go to the Top of this (or any) page, and open your Profile. Log-in to gain access to your "Settings/Preferences", Scroll down to "E-mail Notifications", and place a Check at ">> Mission >> Your Questions to Billy Answered." Then you will receive the last round of Q's & A's to your E-mail inbox when they are published. That Day is when You may enter Your Question into the 'queue", and the first 20 entered will be Answered at the Next Round. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 429 Registered: 07-2004 |
Weather terms seem to be the trend... 'Top Theorists Examine Rippling Economic Turbulence' BENOIT MANDELBROT Known as 'The Father of Fractal Geometry, discuss the financial situation with little optimism for an easy correction in the global financial markets. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec08/psolman_10-21.html a friend in america Shawn | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 347 Registered: 03-2007 |
Phenix: “I also would like to clarify and check a couple of places from the Grand Unified Field Theory, for, meiner Meinung nach, Mr Haramein brings forward some crucial Insights, which, once thoroughly investigated and subsequently adopted and effectively applied, could be a major Revolution in the 'Established' Physics and would hence lead to an Understanding of Reality, whereby Physics and Epistemology are logically combined to testify of the Oneness of Being and Experience - for the inclusion of Supreme Consciousness/Creation into the equation Grand Nuclear Force-Minor Nuclear Force-laws of Gravity-Electrodynamic Force would rightly complete the picture." You would probably also enjoy reading, In Search of Truth And Freedom, by Dr. Dietmar Rothe. He delves into these specific issues and I have just posted additional comments regarding this, under Books And Booklets Area>>In Search Of Truth And Freedom, if you would like to go there and read them. Dr. Rothe has a Ph. D. in Aerospace Engineering Science, holds several patents in laser technology and is author of over 35 papers published in peer-reviewed scientific journals. He also was somewhat helpful in the early translation of the Talmud Jmmanuel into English – German being his native tongue. | ||
Creational New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 09-2008 |
Hello everyone, Phenix, Thank you for your kind response. I totally agree that additional research on this theory is needed. However, it is good to know whether he was inspired or received impulses (for real, like Michelangelo), or he is just another copy cat and might have used Meier’s material and elaborated on it without mentioning Meier. To me, there were a lot of similarities to Billy’s material. Nassim Haramein is apparently born in Switzerland also. I also wanted to thank you for the advice on "questions to Billy J_rod7 Thanks a lot for Your informative response. Zhila, ------------------------------------------------ Always trust the truth seeker, but never the one who claims he has found it! | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 07-2008 |
Ich empfehle mich Ihnen allen, Kameraden, Kamerad Creational, Gerne geschehen. The similarities between the Main, purely Scientific, Statements of Grand Unified Field Theory and The Works des Herrn Meier are stricking, aren't they? The Theories of Mr Haramein, provided they indeed have solid grounds, could be an important step towards the necessary rewriting of the Whole Physics and the Perception of the Relation Matter-Energy, whereupon the current, mainstream Picture of the World is built and understood. I don't know how far you are in the Study of The Mission, but as a Beginner to a Fellow Beginner i would suggest you - if you are not yet doing so - to go through the Archives of the Forum; you could find there some answers to the questions you might have. Are also of the utmost importance the sites, They Fly(www.theyfly.com); The Essence of The Notes(http://www.geocities.com/maurice_osborn/Reports.htm) and finally Future of Mankind(www.futureofmankind.co.uk) - my favorite, personally. These sites provided me with some Orientation, helped me to quickly be fearly updated and to acquire a General Knowledge of The Works of Herr Meier(extremely extensive!), for they are built as a Presentation of the Whole Material - a sort of Introduction Lecture, if you wish. Herr J_rod7, Bruder im Geist, meine herzlichen Grüße. Kamerad Phi_spiral, Vielen Dank for the Feedback; i am already heading to the Section you mentioned. Salome. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 334 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** ******* Greetings All In Peace Michael, I appreciate Your play-on-Words...: > "Maybe the tsunami event is beginning to percolate in the collective human subnoxious mind..." < This was expressed in a different way in recent famous Movies...: " There is a Disturbance in the Force." This 'Disturbance' is affecting the Global Population in varying degrees. That We may Hie to the Teaching of Truth Where there is Shelter from the Storm Turn to the Beacon which Shines on the Path Where Wisdom of Spirit will Keep Us Warm Will the Last One Out, Please Leave ON the Light Salome ******* *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Creational New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 09-2008 |
Greetings to all members; Member Phenix, I am totally in sync with your position regarding Mr. Haramein. As far as those sites you recommended in your post 107, I am utterly grateful for your consideration and unconditional love to offer and share and lead me to the right sources and direction. Indeed, I have already gone over many of the information on these three sites and many more sources that are readily available for the seeker of the truth. I may be new to this great forum but it has been months that I have stumbled upon this precious find, and I have Michael Horn to thank for this here in the USA. I am delighted and grateful to have come across what may be the most important knowledge in centuries if not millennia as Mr. Horn indicates in his presentations. There is a tremendous body of great and useful information provided by Mr. Meier that may indeed need a lifetime to truly cover in depth. For me, personally, this is the first forum that I have found with enough no nonsense substance worth being a member of. I thank you again for your response and hope to find another common interest to discuss with you soon. Michael, I have been meaning to thank you personally for your dedication and effort to bring the much needed Meier’s valuable material to USA. May we all succeed in leading toward the right direction. Zhila, ------------------------------------------------ Always trust the truth seeker, but never the one who claims he has found it! | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 672 Registered: 10-2000 |
Thanks Creational, glad to have assisted. BTW, here's the latest example of absolutely imbecilic political correctness: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/3246178/Australia-bans-word-drought-as-too-upsetting-for-farmers.htmlhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/3246178/Australia-bans-word-drought-as-too-upsetting-for-farmers.html Yikes, sorry for the huge link, feel free to delete if it's too much. Michael Horn | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 255 Registered: 06-2006 |
if the headline was correct, then I would agree -- however, it is not correct. the link is to UK news and the journalist seems to have taken 'would like people to use dryness' to, 'have banned the use of the word drought'. These are not the same. In Australia, they are just asking people to use dryness instead of drought, to try and change the impact. there is no 'ban' in place. As often seen, it is incorrect and sensationalist. That is bad reporting imo. Robjna | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 09-2008 |
Hello Everyone, Michael, Thanks for your response. BTW, did you hear about what happened in Texas again? http://news.aol.com/article/texas-death-raises-racial-tension/225174 It is very hard to stay optimistic about not fulfilling the prophecies as long as such savage acts are going on here on earth. Zhila, ------------------------------------------------ Always trust the truth seeker, but never the one who claims he has found it! | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 380 Registered: 08-2004 |
If "current events" at the following link are correct we are winning over some of the worst illegal criminality of those in high places; and yet if the current German pope should resign (or worse) due to proven complicity it would set the stage for the final pope "Petrus Romanus" to come on the scene in the near future: http://www.worldreports.org/news/179_blair_has_rolled_over_to_avoid_arrest_and_jail Chris | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 356 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hi Chris, WOW. Yeah, you're Right. Looks like the NWO is starting to de-construct. BIG Changes coming down. Rod From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 07-2008 |
Beste Empfehlung, Kameraden! Yet another Day provided in Love by Creation. For those Kameraden who took Interest in the Works of Mr Haramein, there are some unexpected Developments from some highly unexpected Source(NASA!) supporting one of the most astonishing Claims, meiner Meinung nach, of the Grand Unified Field Theory, namely that the Sun could be a Portal - you certainly remember that Part of the Video Presentation, where the Sun seemed to act like an utterly conscious Entity and the Assumption of Mr Haramein that flying Devices could be observed going in and out during that major solar Flux! Brief Summary: Magnetic Portals Connect Sun and Earth 10.30.2008 Oct. 30, 2008: During the time it takes you to read this article, something will happen high overhead that until recently many scientists didn't believe in. A magnetic portal will open, linking Earth to the sun 93 million miles away. Tons of high-energy particles may flow through the opening before it closes again, around the time you reach the end of the page. "It's called a flux transfer event or 'FTE,'" says space physicist David Sibeck of the Goddard Space Flight Center. "Ten years ago I was pretty sure they didn't exist, but now the evidence is incontrovertible." Indeed, today Sibeck is telling an international assembly of space physicists at the 2008 Plasma Workshop in Huntsville, Alabama, that FTEs are not just common, but possibly twice as common as anyone had ever imagined. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/30oct_ftes.htm?list1275679 Kamerad Pathfinder, My Appreciations for your Comment at 'How You found out about Billy Meier; the Truth is indeed One and the Same within The Everlasting, All-embracing Creation - let's pay Heed to Creation, indeed! Herr J_rod7, Bruder im Geist, I salute your bright and generous Spirit! Salome. Adam. | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 211 Registered: 08-2007 |
This just in: we're Comment Deleted. Kim Jong Il & Fidel Castro are dying, and it looks like Colonel Gaddafi and King Juan Carlos of Spain could join them, all likely within 7 Days of eachother. Expect McCain and Palin to be elected to fulfil that Prophecy, although there are Women rising to Power in many other Places, too, such as Israel. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 03-2003 |
Matthew_Deagle, Ref your post number 211 Yes, I had a bad feeling about that. But remember it is never too late to turn around. One day you may discover the truth and walk in peace as we do. Salome Kaare | ||
Nguyen New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 09-2008 |
the only way McCain win this election is to cheat at the polls. Let's hope Obama win this election, this is the only way to post pone the Prophecy or may be disable the Prophecy. Salome, | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 362 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Greetings in Peace Matthew, In reference to Your Post #211, Just watch Your TV. Obama is set to WIN by a 'Landslide.' As to Your Comment: "Kim Jong Il & Fidel Castro are dying, and it looks like Colonel Gaddafi and King Juan Carlos of Spain could join them, all likely within 7 Days of each other." This would be a Fulfillment of one of Billy's Prophecies. The Events of that Prophecy must then surely follow. I would NOT say that We were "F+$*@@!~d!" by this turn of Events, but hold on to Your Seat - the Bus is about to make some sharp Turns. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 06-2008 |
Nguyen, It is always nice to see new members; welcome to the forum. You are right, the polls say Obama is ahead, hopefully we won't get surprised again by a different result.  MB | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 213 Registered: 08-2007 |
It's either the Soviet Union (Obama) or the Nazi Regime (McCain). Salome, - Matthew | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 10-2008 |
Matthew , are you another Stephanopolis now ? | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 363 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Matthew, GET A GRIP ON IT, MATEY. YOU'VE COMPLETELY LOST IT. WHATEVER DRUGS YOU'RE USING, AINT DOIN' YOU NO GOOD. *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 05-2008 |
http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2008/11/04/massive_waves_a_mystery_at_maine_harbor/ Just a news item of note to us earthlings and/or armageddonistas. Oh, and if anyone heard Obamas acceptance speech last night, I thought it was very impressive. It was as if he'd been in similar position before in some past life. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1220 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi my American friends.... I just want to congratulate you all with your new president. May this new president bring you all the needed Peace and Love that was taken away from you all (and the World)...this last 8 years. May Creational Laws projected itself to you all in the most Positive ways, and beyond. As Billy once said (in the sense) concerning - CHANGE -: If you want Change... YOU will have to work for it, and it's (Neutral Positive) result/out come/ effect. For the betterment of ALL. Edward. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 05-2008 |
Don't completely blame Matt Deagle. The moderators let not only his sometimes nonsense go through, but all sorts of nonsense, even as they reject non-nonsensical posts. The moderators need to get with the program, as much as anyone. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1580 Registered: 12-1999 |
Earthling, Please explain to me and everyone exactly what the "program" is?, and please post your response at: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/8864.html?1225880770 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 447 Registered: 07-2004 |
OBAMA: WINS BY LANDSLIDE! The sheeple have spoken! Suddenly, all that stifling, stagnant, fear stained odor coming from the mouths of America's leaders the last 8 years, discovers mouthwash! And the World can finally begin to exhale for something a little fresher to breathe. The light is shining on the darkness, and the ignorance retreats. We are far from being out from under the disastrous legacy our country unleashed on the world. But it's headed in the better direction finally! Barack Obama led his campaign with pure class. Instead of attacking his opponent, Obama explained who he was, and why we should listen to him. His detailed plans for the Presidency made sense on many levels for the average American. He has qualities our Presidency has lacked in the last century. While graduating first in his class from Harvard Law School, then 8 years as a Constitutional Professor, he continuously organized the communities around him to create opportunities for its own improvement. He was able to come from living in near poverty and obscurity, to challenge the establish political system and win. The Republican smear machine could not attach anything to him he didn't represent. His family is as exceptional as he. He shares compassion with all people in their struggles, helping them visualize a better world with unlimited creative possibilities for them and their families. In the words he speaks, he impassions the hope we all share. This sheds that powerful poisonous veil of fear the B*sh criminals convinced us to buy, telling us how good we looked wearing it. I can literally feel the optimism lifting in all the many calls and text messages that began flooding my phone the moment John McCain gave his concession speech. History has been made that is undeniable. I will argue anyone to eternity on this last statement. I honor this man not so I can have someone to follow. I honor him because I know for myself, he can be a leader for all people, never turning his back on anyone worthy of their consciousness in considering others than just themselves. Why? Because he has never been shown in his actions, to be any other way, and it's well documented the Republican's spent millions trying. The celebration has a chance finally! a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 10-2008 |
To All, I am a canadian and really do not have a say on American matters. But I am also a human being and want to tread very lightly on the subject of the American election, looking for your thoughts as well. I think that America is showing the very real Aquarian affect on the world isn't it! we are definitely feeling the growings pangs of a new age. However pleased I am to see the first black president in a country with so much racial strife, I must also point out that there is a reason that strife exists there in the first place, and this election has not ended that. It has taken a gigantic step in that direction but many issues are still very prominent in people's lives. I must be extremely cautious here as I do not want to offend anyone, but I would like to say what I am sure many others feel as well. Although the USA may be moving forward in one sense regarding racial despair, I honestly cannot help but feel that a door has been opened to a vast immorality that will send shockwaves throughout the human race. As a race, humanity has just been dealt a difficult blow because it must now deal with the culture of this emboldened people who have not been shy about revealing the immorality of its culture. All one has to do is turn on the Black television stations, in particular BET, to see what I mean. And I know that the white population has much responsibility to bear here as well, but living first hand in a country very similar to the US I am fully aware of the mainstream of black culture in our lands, and their promiscuous and material lust for life. their promotion to its younger generation of sex, money and jewelry far surpasses any affect the small percentage of Gospel preaching black people has.And it has attracted the following of many young white youth as well. I hope this does not condemn me a racist because I do not think of myself as one. I dearly wish the world was different and that we could all be free of this racist attitude. I don't look at a persons skin color when I look at them, I look at the spirit within the body. I have black friends who I highly respect and care about. This is not about individuals, it is about an entire culture that has been brought from slavery and lived with its people being demeaned for centuries. It is about their struggle to overcome inferiority by trying to fight back with a superior attitude. It is about what being held down as a culture can create in a people and evolve them into. I cannot turn off the obvious way that black culture has affected the nation around me. Hip hop kids going around with their pants falling off, young girls half dressed pregnant everywhere you look. That harsh attitude where they have to look and act tough instead of friendly. Gangs for families instead of real families. Colors instead of handshakes. glaring stares instead of smiling greetings. Anyone from our part of the world knows exactly what I speak of. What are your thoughts on how this new ring of freedom will unleash an immorality on the world that has never before been experienced? "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 07-2008 |
Gruss to all Members, Beware of extreme Generalization, Member Pathfinder. An American Politician is elected to lead that Country - not, i quote, "Hip hop kids going around with their pants falling off, young girls half dressed pregnant everywhere you look. That harsh attitude where they have to look and act tough instead of friendly. Gangs for families instead of real families. Colors instead of handshakes. glaring stares instead of smiling greetings." Shall we judge this Leader upon such Criteria? Besides, one could as well put it the other Way round, namely that with the Election of Mr Obama, those Fellow Human Beings you described, would now have a Model to look at, a Source of new Inspiration. Salome. Adam. | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Shawn, Well said as usual. This IS the America I migrated for 33 years ago. Finally, the clouds seem to be moving away and the beautiful sun is shining on this great land. Let us all celebrate this undeniable evolution. Pathfinder, No matter what part of the world you are, the only difference you see between humans is their different stages of evolution and has absolutely nothing to do with their skin color. Dig more into BEAM’s material, his position on these issues is clear. Zhila, The inevitable evolution facilitates our retreat back to our source, the mighty Creation. Let us then praise this absolute foundation called Creation and be a part of this universal evolution or be extinct as a species. After all, it is up to us. | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 09-2008 |
Hello Scott, After your recent post, I searched Bill Deagle on Google. What is he all about? It seems he is using a lot of BEAM's material except with a weird twist. Is he Decent or fraud? Zhila, The inevitable evolution facilitates our retreat back to our source, the mighty Creation. Let us then praise this absolute foundation called Creation and be a part of this universal evolution or be extinct as a species. After all, it is up to us. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1581 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Creational, I haven't looked into his material enough to comment on it, but I did hear a brief interview given by him a few weeks ago. In this interview he stated there would be some type of event which would occur on October 7, 2008, which to the best of my knowledge did not happen. In addition he mentioned some type of nuclear event which would transpire in the Los Angeles area. Here is the link (OCT 4) if you want to listen to it: http://www.projectcamelot.org/audio_interviews.html With out going out on a limb, he reminds me of Sean David Moulton Howe. Regards Scott | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Scott, Thanks for your speedy response; I am listening to his radio interview right now. It is kind of out there. Side note: Thank you for your moderation. Zhila, The inevitable evolution facilitates our retreat back to our source, the mighty Creation. Let us then praise this absolute foundation called Creation and be a part of this universal evolution or be extinct as a species. After all, it is up to us. | ||
Jamesm Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 02-2006 |
Here is the opinion of a half-English, half-Japanese man from the UK on the USA election result: Obama is certainly more positive than Bush but you know what Billy said about him...."Barak Obama can be looked upon as average, not too good, but also not too bad. John McCain is in the same category as G. W. Bush. And it is very positive that Hillary Clinton did not win the preliminary elections because she is an extremely power-hungry person." This means that we are not saved from the great monster of overpopulation. We will still exploit the Earth for its oil and gas and continue to cause earthquakes and pollution. We will still continue to pursue the accumulation of material wealth and continue to mesmerise ourselves with the mind-phantasms we refer to as movies. We will still wander zombie-like into the future with negligible interest in finding the truth to our origin and continue to ignore the laws of Creation. The American culture is capitalism/materialism incarnate, just like the UK culture. When I think of Black Americans I do envisage hip hop, soul and the blues singers and instrumentalists as well as gangsters and single mothers but their symptoms also appear to be suffered by other cultures and groups also. But since Obama isn't a war-mongerer and he intends to pull US troops out of Iraq within, what was it, 6 months, then we appear to now have a greater chance of averting world war 3. I even feel confident that it is 95% not likely to happen now, for at least another 4 years anyway. Kind Regards James G. T. Moore Webmaster www.futureofmankind.co.uk | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 01-2008 |
Scott et all; Researching Bill Deagle is a waste of your time. He's little more than a doctor. If you want something interesting to study, look up Dave Starbuck's interview with Dean Warwick. Dean knew what he was talking about when he addressed a number of things. Less than three weeks after the interview, he collapsed dead on stage at Probe International after talking for just a few minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN1Mh-GxU8w - part one of the interview. Peace, - Gaia | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 214 Registered: 08-2007 |
Creational, I do not mean this personally, but you appear to be very delusionally patriotic about the United States of America. While the United States indeed has not in some Ways changed much since World War II, the USA was even then a criminal Dictatorship ruled by a shadowy Elite. They remain the only Government since atlantean Times to have used atomic Weapons against Civilians, which remains the greatest War Crime of all time, besides Bush's lies about WMDs in Iraq. Astonishingly, modern Historians claim that Hitler had no Right to invade Poland while the Russians were doing the same, and yet Bush has hardly been criticised for invading a foreign Country who had not even threatened him nor had anything to do with 9/11, upon completely fraudulent Basis. There is absolutely no Subjectivity or Debate to be held about the Fact that the United States of America is and was the most dangerous Dicatorship in the World, followed closely by their Allies in Israel, who have done nothing but stir up Hatred and Terror in the Middle-East since the absurd and unjustified Foundation of their religious-racist Colony. Russia, China and Japan are the only major 'powerful' Countries changing for the better, while the USA and the EU descend into anti-human Dicatatorship. Obama is directly tied to Goldman Sachs, the one Bank that did not lose a Cent in the recent orchestrated Economic Crisis. This Company incidentally has numerous Officials in high Positions in the EU, which Billy himself has stated is a Dictatorship by Bankers and Businessmen. Obama is not a Friend of the People, but in Fact a representative of the Rothschilds, who orchestrated this entire Crisis, just as they have orchestrated dozens of others in the Past (e.g. the Great Depression). Naivety will only throw you beneath the Hooves of the Horses of Abuse. It is not positive and it is too not humane or self-preservative. Salome (and LOGIC!), - Matthew --- Matthew, please contact me via e-mail regarding your comments to me, thanks-Scott Salome, - Matthew --- | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 01-2008 |
Scott; If censorship is to be the order of the day, you had no place in bringing up Matthew's family relations. Your behaviour is quite disappointing. Peace, - Gaia Thank you for your comments. I'm sorry you feel that way, but I have been advised to censor whenever I feel it is needed and why I think it is needed. NO matter what I do or the other moderators do, someone is going to feel slighted, discriminated against for one reason or another. I look at how long a person as been posting, and the general flavor of their posts, and the reaction of other members. This is not easy with so many different personalities, educational levels, and on and on...there are no set guidelines to any of this. It is true what Billy has stated people can only be taught by reptition over and over again..I am not perfect, and try to understand my own perceptions in regards to the teachings and their application to life as I know it. I receive e-mails and spam from disgruntled people whom have been members of the forum and don't agree why this was done or that. Myself or the other moderators do not get any compensation for any of this. I have stated this type of explanation to others more times than I can count. Perhaps if someone wanted to hire "Professional" moderators, maybe people would be happy about how things are handled. It's also interesting, I don't see anyone coming forth wanting to volunteer their time and energy to help out, do you? -Scott | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2008 |
To Creational and James, I try very hard not to generalize, as i said this is not about individuals though, it is about an entire culture fashioned from its experiences just as individauls are. And the affect that Black culture has had on the socities of America and Canada are unique from other parts of the world given our slave history and how we have so desperately tried to get past it for so long. I think its wonderful that we have hope in the Obama factor, I always give the benefit of the doubt. Wouldn;t it be great to have nothing but wonderful things come from this. But my personal hopes and desires is not the question I asked. What I wanted to get from you was your thoughts on the emboldening of a culture that for too long has believed it was held back, and now seems to have the opportunity to leap from the starting gate at full gallop. What I ask you is given the immoral state of the younger generation and the affect that black culture has had on it, what do you think may happen? Will liberalism begin to tolerate more pornography on television? Will we see more and more sexual promiscuity on our streets? I realize that Obabma is not the cause of this. this has developed over a long time. But it is here now, and this time of change will go one way or the other. I cannot help but see liberalism gaining an edge. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2008 |
Pathfinder; Culturalism and racism are two distinctly different things; especially when one considers that an African, a modern American black, an Asian, an Indian, an Irishman, Scotsman, European, Arab, etc. can all share the same culture, and if that culture is criticized for encouraging degenerate acts -- it is not even remotely a racist criticism because all those people are of different races. There do exist differences in cultures around the world, and so they should largely be separated from one another by comfortable distances that they may not clash -- however, most cultures of the world also contain inherently degenerate practices and must therefore be somewhat cleansed/purified so that they are in line with the Laws and Bodes of Creation, rather than breaking them. Billy has documented the cannibalistic and human-sacrificing rituals of the Naga tribe in India -- these are practices which are wholly degenerate and worthy of criticism, and certainly one would not be considered a racist for saying, 'y'know, sacrificing and eating people is unwholesome and generally not a good idea...' Similarly, one should criticize western cultures such as the modern popular 'black' culture which has given rise to rap lyrics about violence, degeneracy, warfare, etc. (recognize, however, that this 'black' culture is often shared by hispanics and whites alike) the obsession with material things (for example: all these black rap 'artists' who make millions of dollars and then spend their money on outrageous jewelry, expensive clothes, foods, wines, drugs, having platinum or gold teeth, etc. and not on raising the standards of living and real education in their own childhood homes) etc. Similarly, it is a degeneration for men to force women to cover themselves (ex: forcing them to wear burkas, the Chabad-Lubavitch desire to see nothing more than the hands and faces of the women in public, etc.) simply because they do not wish to 'be tempted' or some other ludicrous claim (it's called self-control). However, it is also a degeneration for women who wish to (for example) wear a burka to be forced to take it off, as to many of these women being without their burka in public is tantamount to being completely naked. If they choose to have that as part of their culture, they should be respected. (not to mention, when living somewhere like the middle east or Egypt, it is probably quite practical to wear a burka, as it provides protection from the sun and from sand) Peace, - Gaia | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 450 Registered: 07-2004 |
James, You are correct, over population, greed, weather changes, increased earthquakes, pollution etc., have not gone away. The amount of energy imbedded within all those challenges can be overwhelming, and intimidating when these are examined from the fear influenced mainstream. Obama has truly re-energized millions back into the, 'we can change', mentality, from the stagnation of, 'things never change', 'it's to big of a problem', 'the powers that be(TPTB) control everything....'. The true TPTB are the will of the people when focused on what we need to do to correct this world. My enthusiasm is shared by 100 of millions, if not a billion, people who can make a difference. What we lacked in our desires to change these dangerous effects is a more honest leader that people can look up to as a symbol of change. To reform the energy that is effecting us, we need an equally strong energy, but focused. I do understand what you say, it's there in our reality everyday. Billy gives his vision of our evolution into the balanced, changed spirituality involved humans, in several hundred years time. Well, he his the best informed to know, but that doesn't mean we have to settle for that framing. Each of us directing our minds on the challenges adds that much more energy to the future solutions. We have shifted millions of minds over to the optimistic, away from the pessimistic. Believing this a mute point. Acting on it is a movement towards resolution. The time of sitting around pointing out problems can be advanced into the time of doing something about them. This is the basis of an economical engine that can be harnessed for the advancement of finding the solutions we need. Obama does have an ability to relate ideas and challenges into a bigger picture in addressing these areas. I'm not clear if he is willing to approach the main problem of over-population. He's cut from a different cloth, but this may of have been done at the same factory. At least we can get behind this man an begin the baby steps of our path to survival as a species, because it could of been 4 more years of Bush-like bleakness. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 451 Registered: 07-2004 |
Matthew, Where are you getting your information. If you intend to smear Obama by your statements, you better know what your talking about, because I have spent hours researching this mans past. Do I know him personally, of course not. You need to supply some references for these viewpoints you contend. I'll wait until then for any further comments. That is if you have any 'reputable' sources. Also, One other thing, not to speak for Zhila, or any others for that matter, but the way people feel about their country is usually about the way they feel about people who are around them in their day to day life. Your statements here are delving into the mindsets of the men who have led nations erroneously into historical hell and assigning all peoples in those countries to the same beliefs these men ruled with. Talk about the leaders. People never vote for a war, a leader does. War is the design of the few. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 09-2008 |
Matthew, You may want to ponder upon the reason why you became a member of this forum? I have read your recent post a couple of times to make sure I understood where you are coming from. To me, you are missing the entire point of this particular round-table. Your pessimistic viewpoint is exactly opposite of what BEAM is resonating in his material and why people become member of this particular environment. A forum is more than just another radio station, (for lack of a better analogy), when all walks of life may call in and make a general comment about a specific issue at hand. This discussion board is for people with a very specific common interest which is HOPE and EFFORT for the humanity to survive the existing unbalance of the technological evolution vs. spiritual one; thus the performing of the peace meditation, or the translation of the material just to name a few. What you are doing is sort of like coming to a mosque, preaching Christianity (and I don’t mean to associate this with a religious sect but only a method of spirituality) This forum therefore has a very specific and unique direction. My observation however, of most of your posts indicates that you are indeed missing the entire purpose of this debate with the possibility of some sort of underlying agenda! You said and I quote. “I do not mean this personally, but you appear to be very delusionally patriotic about the United States of America.” American government, just like all existing earth governments is indeed corrupt and this is no news. Even my 12 year old daughter can pinpoint the mischievous machinations of all governments. There is no debate about this government and specially Bush dynasty’s wrongdoings. With this election, American people had two choices only; Obama and McCain. Last night, American people showed the world their frustration with this situation by picking the better candidate; a choice seldom given to most other dictatorships societies. If there is any hope for preventing the destruction of entire earth humans, it has got to start from America. Frankly, and ironically, either direction is mostly up to America. I wonder how your reaction would have been had McCain won this presidency. Remember, evolution takes billion of years per individuals let alone the advancement of the entire society. Considering everything, this election WAS indeed a leap toward progression. As Michael Horn says it perfectly, we want to prove the prophecies WRONG. Dear Shawn, You are more than welcome to make a point in my regards, your intentions are quite transparent and I thank you. Dear Scott, What you are doing here for free is highly appreciated. Don’t be discouraged. You are doing a wonderful job. Salome Zhila, The inevitable evolution facilitates our retreat back to our source, the mighty Creation. Let us then praise this absolute foundation called Creation and be a part of this universal evolution or be extinct as a species. After all, it is up to us. | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 09-2002 |
Barrack will be an OK president but nothing great. Its quite obvious when one listens to his rhetoric, its really the same old fluff other candidates spout at election time. They all call for change but does it ever happen?? The only candidate with a real message was Ron Paul and you couldn't get the uneducated public to understand what he was saying. The only way Obama is going to be a better president than Bush is if he ends the wars, brings our military home, cuts wasteful spending of taxpayers hard earned money, repeals the patriot acts that spy on american citizens and a few others that don't come to mind at the moment. I also think that since Bush was such a BAD president, it was a breath of fresh air to the world to know that in 2 months his reign of terror will be over. I think that is why there is such hype behind Obama. Give it a year and we'll see how good he's really doing. Mark Gilbo | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Pathfinder, Here in America; I have numerous black American friends that hate this rap crap, I have numerous white American friends that hate heavy metal, I have numerous Muslim friends that hate fanatics, I have Christian buddies who hate the end-timers and so on and so fort. What media is portraying of this particular society is yet another underlying agenda totally unfair to the majority of this hard working nation. I live in an area of Los Angels that fears Hispanic gangs more than any other cultural threat. However, it is not about a particular racial issue anymore as it appeared so in the past, but in reality, it is all about the superficial bombardment of materialistic approach by media that controls this society. It is about rich vs. poor. The lay person without the correct direction is fighting this confusion with the wrong sword. As an example, Billy states that homosexuality is a mere confusion that can be treated, but the media is heavily promoting this issue so much so that parents have a hard time dealing with this issue here in the states. The entire materialistic, physical, sexual and other temporary characteristics are promoted while true spirituality is socially suppressed. The black rapper was not running for presidency, but a very able, articulate, educated and accomplished American did who also happened to be black. While an unintelligent, red neck fanatic got elected as president prior to this one who by the way, happened to be very white but took America backward to slavery era like no other. If we really want to be fair, the more evolved race is definitely the black one in this particular case. But how long do we want to debate on this minor issue. Time and again, BEAM has mentioned that all the human races on earth are just about the same as far as their evolutionary position. It is time to look at earth humanity as a single race with minute and inconsiderable physical differences each in a different stage of their evolution. Salome Zhila, The inevitable evolution facilitates our retreat back to our source, the mighty Creation. Let us then praise this absolute foundation called Creation and be a part of this universal evolution or be extinct as a species. After all, it is up to us. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 454 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Mark, While I appreciate your casualness in your expectations of Barak Obama, I think your missing the point of all the elements that support a Presidency. Without the underlying support of the people, Bushes regime has found out that his desire(Dick Cheney's actually) to attack Iran is now barely conceivable, although not impossible. If the majority of the citizens agreed that attacking a suggested Bush target was acceptable, it would already be a done deal. Obama has the support of the majority and this is what will decide the 'greatness' of his presidency. The supposed concept of democracy has everyone invested in the course of actions it moves to become involved in. The people are invested, In saying Obama, "will be an OK president but nothing great", doesn't sound like your going to give his voters any say in how 'great' his leadership can be. One year ago, Obama was a virtually unknown candidate. The organization he created in that short period of when the election process began, overcame an extremely popular(secretly megalomaniac) Hilary Clinton campaign. He avoided the support of lobbyist after winning his parties primary( he had some lobbyist funding early on out of necessity of being an unknown candidate) and then began receiving funding from millions of individuals through the internet. What I'm saying is the support is real, and real big. There is much more than 'rhetoric' coming out of this man. In case you've forgotten, rhetoric is what a candidate says during an election(I know you know that), but it is necessary in helping them get elected. His ideas are closer to reality than what can be the usual 'feel good' ideas. But I will take your advice and allow him a year to actually start HIS presidency, because he will spend at least that long creating fixes of the Bush disasters, not his directives. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 436 Registered: 04-2006 |
I think many of you are missing the importance of Figu, Billy Meier and their few thousand of supporters like us. I did read in Arahat Athersata that Figu, Billy Meier and their supporters had the ability to provoke consciousness changes and evolutionary leaps, in this regard they outweighed the whole mankind. This is quite an astonishing statement. In my opinion, thats what the "Silent Revolution of the Truth is all about. You give too much importance and credit to political celebrities like Obama and too little credit to yourselves and Figu. Who has provoked the changes Obama is advocating? I'm sure these last 4 years anti-war movements have pushed Obama into an antibelligerant position. Of course i consider the Saalome Peace Meditation has to do with this. Anti-beligerance is now in the airwaves. We as a community have to introduce changes in our families, in our cities, in our societies. Slowly, but firmly."The Silent Revolution of Truth". Change is coming. Obama is benefitting from such winds of change. He is just "channeling" the change. But he is not the source of change. Guess who are introducing the most valuable changes. We Figu people cannot change material, political, economic, pure worldly things. But do you know who's absolutely able and legitimate to introduce consciousness changes in our societies?. Yes your right. Us. A few thousand Billy Meier supporters. Again: The Silent Revolution of Truth has started. Perhaps once Billy Meier ends his present incarnation as a prophet things will get much harder and tougher. But in the meantime we will feel, we will perceive, we will witness how he is beginning to provoke changes which will remain as knowledge and wisdom in the storage banks. For me, the result of the last US election means rejection and condemnation of Bush's decisions and disastrous guidance. Good luck? No.Coincidence? No. Somebody/something is moving the world a bit forward. I guess it has much to do with the Silent Revolution of Truth and Forcible Forcelessness. Any input is welcomed. Regards. | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 10-2008 |
To Gaia, The fact , as you stated, that this culture of which I speak, is made up of many races, is exactly why I said that it is not an individual racist matter but a cultural matter. I agree with most of what you said. This planet needs to be more concerned with how our choices and practices affect our planet and people than whether or not a cultures rights are being suppressed. Its really not a priority whether a woman wants to wear a burka or not depending on the custom and the freedom to do so. raping the planet of morality should not be a freedom or right. That is what is wrong with our society in the west today. we try to afford everyone equal rights, and in the process we have deliberately tolerated criminals having more rights than their victims, etc. the human race needs to get back to morality and stop tolerating immoralities for the sake of diplomacy. Imagine a peace meditation group gathered to perform the salome chant and having to tolerate the presence of a rapper performing vulgar and barbaric prose in the background just because they do not want to step on his rights. How would this affect the whole intention of revitalizing the spiritual? The rapper may have his rights and that may appear to be humane, but in the end it does nothing to heal the spiritual aspect of our planet. therefore his humane rights are a negative, not a positive thing. i think we need to clarify the definition of humane for the purpose of explaining human rights. Anything that would disrupt the rebuilding of the spiritual plane around our planet, should fail to take priority over it. Simple as that! "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 10-2008 |
Creational, I fully agree with your last statement of working together, but as i said, and you have also acknowldged this problem involved more than one race,, maybe you are being confused because I call it the Black culture. When I use this term to describe it I talk in recognition of the fact that it is the Black society who is at the forefront of bringing much of the cutlure that many various races are now adopting. You are right when you say that whites, hispanics, blacks and other races take part in this new culture, but it is in existense mainly by the appreciation of its black designers. therfore I call it the Black culture. And I believe that most of the black population, especially the youth, would support it. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 04-2006 |
I may be asking for it but here's a little election comic relief with a little reality thrown in. http://www.theonion.com/content/video/voting_machines_elect_one_of | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 455 Registered: 07-2004 |
Yes Hector I understand your meaning of the importance of FIGU, and the billions of caring souls of the Plejaren Federation that volunteer for the Saalome Peace Meditation(SPM), and the many changes that have begun to change the thinking of the people of this planet. The collapse of the Berlin Wall in the year of 1989 attests to the unseen effects of the SPM. My intentions were not to distract away from FIGU. I am just another excited American citizen wanting to tell the world we got back part of our country and now are planning to repair the damage we've brought the planet. At least I hope we can repair the wronging. Again you've pulled me back to reality. Sorry about all my gushing, but the whole event actual brings tears of joy knowing hope has a stronger voice now. I think we all should thank the members of the Plejaren Federation for their help in this latest result, even if the truth is a silent revolution that most people will never know even exists. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 438 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Shawn, in my previous post i wanted to remind Figu people that they are very important as a vehicle, as a tool of change. A good word that describes the process would be a "catalysator" of change. Now a bit politics. Obama's latest decisions and picks are somewhat disappointing. I think Rahm Emanuel is a very tough guy. Obama will keep mr. Robert Gates as CIA, Pentagon Chief. Same applies to mr. Petraeus. If he finally picks Colin Powell as Defense Secretary, i will wonder "where is the new direction" , the new course in international relationships, as he promised during his campaign. Anyway it's way too soon to make conjectures about his ability to command and his commitment to give shape to the promises he made to the american people. We'll see what he makes out of his promises (As Billy said 2 months ago in the Q/A section) Saalome, stay well... | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 09-2008 |
Greetings everyone, As I mentioned in my previous post, and in total agreement with member Hector’s recent post; This discussion board embodies people with specific common interests being HOPE and EFFORT for the humanity to survive the existing unbalance of the technological evolution vs. spiritual one; via the task of performing of the peace meditation, or the translation of the material just to name a few. It is just that here in America, we all feel some sort of liberation from the tremendous pressure we all felt upon us due to the obvious and blunt misconduct of the Bush administration; hence we felt we should share this emotional excitement with our FIGU pals. So, here is my last comment concerning this particular topic; let us all, in partnership with our Plejaren friends, keep up the great work of creating peace inducing impulses by Salome Peace Meditation; Let us all be grateful for the FIGU society and all its effort, such as translating BEAM’s great and timeless masterpieces; And last but not least; Let us educate ourselves profoundly with the Spiritual Teaching so we can help BEAM to silently revolutionalize the truth once and for all. My best regards to all members, Salome Zhila, The inevitable evolution facilitates our retreat back to our source, the mighty Creation. Let us then praise this absolute foundation called Creation and be a part of this universal evolution or be extinct as a species. After all, it is up to us. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 129 Registered: 07-2008 |
Beste Empfehlung to you all, Kameraden, on this wonderful Day. I would like to elaborate on a Couple of Points i made in my previous Post in the Address of Member Pathfinder. Member Pathfinder wrote in certain Terms about the Immorality of 'black Culture' and expressed his Concerns about the eventual Consequences of the Presidency of Mr Obama, which might promote that 'Immorality'. I would remind Member Pathfinder that what he wrote about is actually a Western Phenomenon, a Phenomenon as western as Capitalism - the Accumulation of material Goods(at any Cost) as the ultimate Goal of Life, while any spiritual Quest is seen as a Delirium - as western as the Industrialization of Pornography and Violence(think of Hollywood so-called Blockbusters); as western as the Form of Society we currently live in, whereby Family Ties are lost, wherein People are total Foreigners to one another; where Children have no Respect for their Parents; where Parents abuse their Children; where neither true Value nor Humaneness are hardly found. I would remind our Member Pathfinder that this weary World with all its Immorality, Crimes, Pollution and Indifference is mainly shaped by western Civilisation and white People, who dominate it and set its global Orientation, Mood and Content. I would remind him that Mr Bush is a white Man. I would remind him that, according to the official History we all learn, white, would-be western World falsified the Teachings of Jmmanuel. Is there any greater Immorality? Yet another Point. As far as i know, those Individuals, Groups and Powers opposing the Mission, fiercely fighting Herr Meier; all those dragging his good Name and that of the noble Plejarens in the Mud(at least trying to do so, for that what is tied in the Almight and Love of All-embracing Creation shall always keep its Truth in Purity),lying about him and falsifying his Materials, Evidence and Teachings ; those using all Means to silence his Voice and his Message to us, Earth Humans - up to several Assassination Attempts! - are all white People. Shall we keep all white, western People responsible for all this - or any white, western Politician, for that matter? Shall we speculate on that? The way you formulated that Post, Member Pathfinder, i am afraid, is but a Distraction from what truly matters, that is the Spiritual Growth of every single Human Being and the Return to Creation. The one and only Truth, indeed. Salome. Adam. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 456 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Hector, Some of Obama's picks for his administration will likely have something to do with favors he felt necessary to make in the political game. Rahm Emanuel is a questionable type for sure. Caution is always mandatory when confident people are allowed the reigns of incredible power. It will be hard for him to hide his infection of power corruption after 8 years of witnessing Bush in action. Thanks for your perspective. Hi Zhila, It was tough being an American the last 8 years. I am sure it was horrible being a victim of America's injustices those same 8 years. I hope besides the corrections, Obama steps up and apologizes to the wronged ones, as well as delivering an opportunity for America to replace what was not ours in the first place. The lives lost from our countries actions are another shame we will carry. A reminder to always be active in our responsibilities here at home, to the planet, other cultures, and life in general. Add question authority to that list. It's the least we can do. Salome a friend in america Shawn | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 05-2008 |
Hector: Obama obviously thinks he must walk the political tight rope to get in a position of power to make changes. ie - On one hand, he picked great economic advisers; on the other, he picked Biden to appease critics who said he didn't have enough experience, but it may have been the right 'political' choice. He still walks a political balancing act through the choices of his team. Ron Paul spoke of the harsh medicine necessary; too harsh to be elected considering the consciousness/wisdom of the electorate. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 457 Registered: 07-2004 |
Here's an example of the energy Obama will have to work with. http://obama2008.s3.amazonaws.com/headlines.html This opens a page with 100's of headlines the day after the election. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 10-2008 |
Phenix, I have to agree with you on everything you said here. But as I asked in the original question, Does anyone think that the American's sudden installment of the first black president will create a situation where the rampant immorality of our societies, which have been largely influenced by Black culture in recent years, will very quickly increase out of control? I am talking about the gangster rap influence that has permeated our societies and created an extremely promiscuous and immoral generation of young people ready to take over the governing of our nations? I am sure that Phenix understands exactly what I am talking about, however it seems to be personal with you and I am sorry if my topic offends you. My concern is the same as would be the Plejarens and any other human who wishes to see a decrease in immorality instead of an increase. isn't that what we hope to gain by the peace meditation? "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 07-2008 |
Beste Empfehlung, Kameraden, Member Pathfinder, "however it seems to be personal with you and I am sorry if my topic offends you."; you wrote. I have to say that i expected this one, but sincerely hoped it won't come down to that. Yes, i am black, if this is what you mean. I am(i was, should i say) open to different Music Styles, including Hip-Hop, Rap, Reggae, Classics, R&B,Alternative(Jamiroquai,Herbert,Portishead,Ben Harper and the like), Hard Core and so... I do often wonder why SOME of those Rappers, who are lucky enough to make it through, to achieve some Success and earn Fortunes, do not help those Humans in Need, their Fellow Brothers and Sisters, Country People and ultimately the Continent of Origine of MOST of them - Africa. I also have not a single good Word for the Life Style of MANY of them. I strongly disagree with your Approach, in that you seem to - upon highly subjective and rather biased Grounds - single out a specific Race, which is neither helpful nor fair. I share hier the Stance of Member Creational-Zhila in her/his Post 14, and indeed Herr Meier, the Noble Plejarens and Figu do never single out any given single Race and 'blame' it for the Misbehavior of some of its Members. They thoroughly, objectively and constructively analyse the whole Picture in all its Depth and Ramifications. You indeed extremely simplify the Matter - a rather complicated one - through the Type of Generalization you applied, that is a mere down Levelling, a Levelling from and to the Bottom. The Way of being and expressing of any given Group has, as a Rule, several Lays, different Levels. You focused exclusively on and put too much Weight on the Extreme. The black Culture you so described is but the Street Culture of Cities' western young People from that Population - a Culture, that is widely shared by many Youngsters, as you rightly pointed out, in the same or similar Life Environments from other Ethnicities and geographical Determinations. Alas. With a little bit of good Will and another Methodology, one could easily to, Rap and the like, oppose Heavy Metal, Hard Core, with 'Sex, Drugs and Rock & Roll', as their Motto. This 'Culture' is born in and is widely shared by a certain Part of the white western World and finds echo in other Groups. Here is Racism, Violence and 'Satanism' openly preached, which, in its Turn, promote the Skin-Heads, extreme right, fascist Movements and the like, by corrupting young Souls. Are those Phenomena not serious and immoral enough? Shall we speculate, make future Projection, fear every Time a white western American Politician is elected? What about Homosexuality - widely to be found in certain white western Circles, even in some white western Churches - Incest, the systematic Abuse of Children, Abortion, massive Scale, commercial Euthanasy and legalised and promoted Prostitution?( I am from the Netherlands, so i have some Idea of what i am writing about). Is any elected white American Politician necessary a Representative of those Trends and should the American People, we, here at Figu, and the World at large be fearful that such a Presidency would give free Licence to all this? You wrote, i quote: "This is not about individuals, it is about an entire culture that has been brought from slavery and lived with its people being demeaned for centuries. It is about their struggle to overcome inferiority by trying to fight back with a superior attitude. It is about what being held down as a culture can create in a people and evolve them into." When i read this Sentence, i frankly can't help but wonder, whether it wasn't logical and more spiritual to reflect on how Slavery itself came to be; what is the Reason of the Downfall of Earth Mankind, which Degeneration is blatantly illustrated by Slavery. Further: "What I wanted to get from you was your thoughts on the emboldening of a culture that for too long has believed it was held back, and now seems to have the opportunity to leap from the starting gate at full gallop." Member Pathfinder, Freedom is an absolute Right, Privilege and Responsibility given to each and every single Human Being by All-embracing Creation in Her everlasting and absolute Love. Besides, what would be the Alternative - taking those Fellow Human Beings back to Slavery? And again: "Imagine a peace meditation group gathered to perform the salome chant and having to tolerate the presence of a rapper performing vulgar and barbaric prose in the background just because they do not want to step on his rights. How would this affect the whole intention of revitalizing the spiritual? The rapper may have his rights and that may appear to be humane, but in the end it does nothing to heal the spiritual aspect of our planet. therefore his humane rights are a negative, not a positive thing." It is pretty interesting that you chose to illustrate that Situation with a Rapper. Would it then be okay and tolerable, were it to be a Heavy Metal Band? What would be the Difference? - what is the Point of your Post in this Context? And finally you stated: "I hope this does not condemn me a racist because I do not think of myself as one. I dearly wish the world was different and that we could all be free of this racist attitude. I don't look at a persons skin color when I look at them, I look at the spirit within the body. I have black friends who I highly respect and care about." Those are your Words, Kamerad Pathfinder, i shall put Faith in them and in your Sincerity; otherwise it would indeed take One a brief Tour into the Perspective of Herr Meier and the Mission on this Question to be definitely convinced that there is no Room here for Racism, Clichés or Discrimination of any order, Shape or Feature. We are all independent Individuals with free Will, Courtesy of Creation - Heed to Creation, indeed! We are all responsible for our own Thoughts, Choices and Deeds. Each and every Human Being should be judged by her/his own Thoughts, Choices and Deeds. We are all, each and every One, but one Consciousness within the Ultimate, Infinite Consciousness of All-embracing Creation. Immorality has no Color and/or Ethnicity. To judge a whole Race and/or any Culture on the Grounds of the Thoughts, Choices and Deeds of a specific few in a specific Set of Circumstances, is, meiner Meinung nach, highly unwise. This i wished to say. Salome. Adam. | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 10-2008 |
well, for the sake of our frienship here Phenix i will have to drop this discussion because you are unable to accept the crux of ths issue and insist on making it otherwise. I understand your need to do so and that I cannot place myself in your shoes. I chose the rapper scenario because we were talking about how the first black president will affect the future of the black culture in america, or at least I was trying to talk about that. Why would I choose a white heavy metal group to make that point? Regardless of what color your skin happens to be,( are you really dark black, light black,brown or mottled?), my notice of your personal take on this was done by the tone of your posts. My foster son is black and his skin is so white you wouldn't know it. I also wouldnt be able to tell what color he was by his emails to me if I didnt know him. Another one of my foster sons is Ethiopian, but you could not tell if he was African American or not simply by skin color. I am of scottish and english heritage but you wont be able to tell which is more prominent by my skin color. What has happened here Phenix is a good example of why it is so difficult sometimes to make headway on sensitive issues like this. there is an extremem degree of sensitivty that being so personal causes certain people to automatically take insult where it is not meant or be defensive when there is really no need. And then the discussion gets halted before it can do any good. The Plejarens would also frown on our not being able to learn from mistakes and come to a solution. to evolve we must find a way to solve a problem so that when confronted with it agin in the future we do not make the same mistakes and know how to solve them. What we should have learned from the election is at least this: that many black people believed that white men would never elect a black president. That may have been true years ago, but Obama was brave enough to challenge the validity of that assumption, and beacuse of his bravery we have learned that black people have been wrong about the intent of the white population for some time now. You seem to not wnat to acknowledge the fact that blacks have had a great influence on todays younger generation in our countries. yes we know that many races are involved, and yes we know that those nutjob skinheads prefer a specific type of music. But how does that change the fact that there is a culture developing today that has its roots in black culture and seems to be growing rapidly? By stating that a culture that has been released from a state of bondage will run from the starting gate at full gallop I try to point out how any adverse natures will also be speeding along as well. That in no way suggests anything to do with their not having a right to freedom. simply that now that the race horse has been freed from the gate and wants to race out away from its captivity, all of its fleas will come with it. Maybe a better mentakl picture is that of pessengers getting off of an airoplane at the terminal gate. The oifficial opens the gate and the crowd bursts forth wanting to get as far away from that area as fast as possible, and when they are realeased to run they take all their baggage with them. if some of that baggae has bedbugs with it, than the ill to society gains the opportunity to spread as the freedom to travel becomes available to them. Again I ask, will Obama's election serve to give momentum to a degenerating culture that has its roots in a large portion of the black population today? When I see that BET television station and its music videos, I see rampant sex, and promotion of criminal behaviors. Yes you can see that in white videos as well, but I beleieve that our countries' effort to gain equal rights for its minority population created a sitution where we began to tolerate extreme liberalism for the sake of not wanting to be called racists. This allowed a certain racing from the gates with regard to particular social issues such as what I am attempting to describe here, and exactly as pointed out, by trying to address the issue I am being seen as racist. so what does a society do to confront its immoralities, if confronting those who pursue immoral lifestyles becomes a racist action against them? if we speak out about abortion, sexual promiscuity, race relations, liebralisms, or any sensitive cultural issues we risk being attacked by those who oppose us, even when it is not the individuals we are trying to attack but their immoralties. we have many immoralities to address in this society, and race does not play a factor in all of them, but this specific issue I try to discuss is related directly to Obama's election, and a culture of youth entertainment rooted in the black culture of today. i am not talking about the culture of the past but a developing culture of today. Many thousands of young black people are being influenced by what they see on BET and the lfiestyles of the prominaent artists, and it is not going well for their moralities. And this imfluence has easily crossed races in many regards. peace to you my friend, If you long for peace and racial harmony as I do then I love you as a brother whether you are dark black or caramel brown. But please do not just brush off my concerns as racist. they are real and obvious when we look around us and see our young people. fear for them, not me! "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 426 Registered: 12-2004 |
can you please get back to the topic, check the description on top of the page to know what this topic is meant for. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 07-2008 |
Beste Empfehlung, Kamerad Moderator Badr, Your Legitimate Call is being heard. I would therefore invite Member Pathfinder to a suitable Section in order to continue this Discussion, that is the Section 'Races, Racism and Rights' Once there, i shall pick it from the following (from my Post 128): "...one could as well put it the other Way round, namely that with the Election of Mr Obama, those Fellow Human Beings you described, would now have a Model to look up at, a Source of new Inspiration." Salome. Adam. | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 10-2008 |
No thanks anyway Phenix, but regardless of what brother Badr has said here, this topic has to do with earth matters and that is exactly what I have been asking. if Badr wants to explain how the degeneration of society in a country and its wroldwide influence is not a discussion of earth matters, than maybe I do not understand the theme of this particular board. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 10-2008 |
i thought this board was a discussion on "Discussions on current events that are changing earth and humanity in the light of the information passed on through FIGU and the Plejarens " How is the topic I have introduced not considered appropriate? is the recent election of Obama and the ways in which his election may shape the next four years of American culture relevant to this topic. Sorry if I misunderstand Badr. I can certainly move on elsewhere. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 374 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Greetings to ALL in Peace, Badr, If You would Please Indulge my Comments. I DO think a Discussion of the Election, along with ALL that Implies for the People on Earth, does fall into this Topic. The Discussion actually Overlaps several Topics, and is well Considered Here. Pathfinder and Phenix have both made some Very Impassioned Statements. If they Both were to join together that which has been written here, this would be an Excellent Topic Speech to present before the United Nations. I, for One, feel a Great Joy for the Election of Obama to become the 44th President of America. 200-Million Butterflies have shaken their Wings, which will create a Fresh Wind all around Earth. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 427 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Pathfinder and Rod, "Discussions on current events that are changing earth and humanity in the light of the information passed on through FIGU and the Plejarens" I have put the part of the sentence that I think you both are missing, discuss current earth events but when its related to material published by FIGU. Earlier posts were talking about Obama and Billys comments about him, which is what this topic is really meant for. We are still on the FIGU forum, so if you really need to discuss politics without relation to information from FIGU then do it in a non FIGU forum or through private emails. Don't take it personal, but people that visit this forum expect to find and discuss things related to FIGU. A post or two would be let through every once in a while. We used to have a topic for politics but it really lost the meaning under the context of FIGU material. Salome, Badr | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 388 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Greetings in Peace to All Members, A disturbing bit of news has been Posted in the Project Avalon Forum: The Title in the Section [Brown clouds dim Asia, threaten world's food] at this Link (Copy & Paste address) = www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7448 A small part of this news Story...: ["BEIJING - Thick brown clouds of soot, particles and chemicals stretching from the Persian Gulf to Asia threaten health and food supplies in the world, the U.N. reported Thursday, citing what it called the newest threat to the global environment.The regional haze, known as atmospheric brown clouds, contributes to glacial melting, reduces sunlight and helps create extreme weather conditions that impact agricultural production, according to the report commissioned by the U.N. Environment Program. The huge plumes have darkened 13 megacities in Asia — including Beijing, Shanghai, Bangkok, Cairo, Mumbai and New Delhi — sharply "dimming" the amount of light by as much as 25 percent in some places. ["Caused by the burning of fossil fuels, wood and plants, the brown clouds also play a significant role in exacerbating the effects of greenhouse gases in warming up the earth's atmosphere, the report said. "Imagine for a moment a 3-kilometer-thick band of soot, particles, a cocktail of chemicals that stretches from the Arabic Peninsula to Asia," said Achim Steiner, U.N. undersecretary general and executive director of the U.N. environment program. ["All of this points to an even greater and urgent need to look at emissions across the planet because this is where the stories are linked in terms of greenhouse emissions and particle emissions and the impact that they're having on our global climate,..."] Seems that Billy's Prophecies are now become as Predictions. Perhaps this is a Global Feedback Loop that will result in reduction of some of the Overpopulation. In the continued Meditation for Peace in the Earth Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Gicayhwh Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 06-2003 |
Hello all my brothers living on Earth, Good thing is happening in this world. Obama. Science is about to get a way to go. And every one of us knows why. Love. YHWH | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 10-2008 |
Seeing as how we have been discussing the deception of religion lately and how man tends to so easily accept deceptions when it feeds his liberal lusts, I want to bring this topic to light. I am seeing broadcasts of the first pregnant male on the television lately. being sold to the viewing public as a man giving birth and in support of many liberal minded social views touching on gay rights, gay marriage, etc. etc. trying to propose that gender should not be defined in traditional ways anymore, now that a man can give birth like a woman. Well, of course we all know that this is not a man but a woman who has been altered to look like a man and is probably living as a male. transgender. I am not opening this up to discuss the homophobic aspects of this, we have already done that in other threads. i am hoping to enhance our ability to see exactly how deceit is used to fit in with the contraversial aspects of society so that it can be argued and supported by a variety of issues and its utter foolishness gets somewhat disguised by the hype of all of the other issues. in other words, as absurd as we know a pregnant male may be, that absurdity is lessened to a large degree by these other issues of marriage, gender discrimination and family and parental values. What we see on the television is a preganat man, but we gets discussed is not the absurdity of that fact that we all know this is a woman, but instead we all argue about the discriminations involved. the way that society manipulates deceit is a very precise and deadly skill which has been developed for thousands of years. we need to be very cautious of its deadliness. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 06-2008 |
J_rod7: Those are horrible news. The other day I watched on TV how the polar bear is near extinction and the Supreme Court lifted the ban on the use of sonar in the oceans for military purposes. I think we are heading to some worse climate conditions. Right now, where I live, we are supposed to have lots of rain and cool temperatures and instead I had to wear my summer clothes because we had 88 degrees of temperature. As a result of this heat wave, the fires are back. I feel the sun very strong, and I can imagine the damage that Asia is experiencing too. I think, like Billy and the P’s said, it could be too late to fix global warming. MB | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 392 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Greetings to All here working for Peace, Marcela, The Military Sonar will disrupt all communications among the Cetaceans. Their Complex 'squealing' is actually a Language. The Whales, Dolphins and Porpoises rely on the Sounds they generate to Navigate, find Food, find Mates, tell each other of Danger, and return to their Home Waters to raise their Young. Indeed, the Cetaceans are nearly as Intelligent as Human Beings. It is known that the Cetaceans were once Walking upon the Land, then decided to return to the Oceans. They could have become the the same in Social standing, along with Humans, except for the Predators then roaming the Earth. Now we Humans have become their worst Predators. When Whales or Dolphins wash up on our Shores in mass Suicide, the message to us is that they are crying out to us for Mercy. I feel a great Sadness for our Brothers, the Cetaceans. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 07-2008 |
Guten Tag, Kameraden, Herr J_rod7, Such terrible Consequences of our irrational Deeds show, once again, how endless the Love(and Patience!) of Creation is - for Creation bears us and still remains with us, despite all. Personally i often have hard Time trying to find some Reason to be proud of being an Human. Here is a personal Experience on this Matter i shared end September at Project Avalon Forum: "[...]The number of Human Beings currently on Earth could be seen as a state of overpopulation in the specific context of the current mode of production - or should i rather say, 'exploitation' of this Planet and its resources - that is, this wild, aggressive Capitalism driven by greed alone. Were the goods, other life sustaining commodities, the product we ourselves produce or gain directly from Earth, our aims in this existence spiritually more elevated(instead of the sole accumulation of money and material items), there would be no question of overpopulation; for Mother-Earth is able and willing to take care of her Children - and does still do so. But in the current structure, our number puts lots of stress of Earth and its resources, for everyone wants still more and more and, as we all know, there are no limits to the 'accumulation fever' and greed has by definition no boundaries. Besides, Humans are not the only inhabitants of this Planet. There are other Life Forms having the same rights to be and to develop; Life Forms, which are as dear to Earth as we do: Flora, Fauna. We are building factories and other human production facilities on lands, that should normally be reserved to agriculture; destroying forests, polluting water and air...[Note: the Inspiration from Herr Meier is here very evident.] Flora and Fauna are being persecuted by us; i read recently in a scientific paper(i do not recall the name) that honey bees are disappearing in horrifying huge numbers and sorts(and we all know the great role they play for the balance of our eco-system); the ice is dramatically melting(due in part to human irresponsible activities, like atomic and nuclear weapons tests underground and in the atmosphere!!!)... A couple of months ago, two ice-bears swam the whole way to the west coast(fjords) of Iceland, hungry and in despair, for there is no more ice they could live on. They got shot down. So, friends, we bear a lot of guilt here. Let's try to make amend for some of it. Regards, RaKaR www.futureofmankind.co.uk" I sincerely wish all Humans actively used their Reason, understood and embraced the Wisdom and the Teachings des Herrn Meier, before we destroy all that is precious around us. Salome, Adam. | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 09-2008 |
Hello, Oregon warming up for the big one!!! http://www.katu.com/news/9954476.html Zhila, The inevitable evolution facilitates our retreat back to our source, the mighty Creation. Let us then praise this absolute foundation called Creation and be a part of this universal evolution or be extinct as a species. After all, it is up to us. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 401 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello All, In considering 'things' which may affect Life on Earth, among those 'things' Prophesized by Billy. Here then, an example of something which could have profound Implications for all Life on Earth. Astronomers have been studying 'Gamma-Ray Bursters' throughout the Universe. As of now, they cannot account for those of very short Duration. Those of longer Duration (greater than ~2-seconds) are attributed to SuperMassive Suns collapsing into 'Black Holes.' There are some such Massive Suns relatively close to our Solar System, within our own Galaxy. Should such Suns collapse, with the resulting Gamma Radiation, could, indeed, result in a mass of Death here on Earth. Nor can they account for the Lack of which many MORE should be found at the Limits of the Observable Universe. I would attribute this 'Lack' of observation, to the fact that most Galaxies 'on the edge' are much older. Our Knowledge from the Plejarens, is that the Universe is FAR VASTER and FAR OLDER than Astronomers give due credit. Read the report at: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/16oct_grboverview.htm?list111844 Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 479 Registered: 07-2004 |
Great, Now we get to worry about being "Gamma-Rayed" to death as well. I could walk out my door, slip on the pavement, break my neck, and kill myself. Heck, you could too! Having been told my life is in danger because of something I could do has merit. Being told of something I have zero effect on, as well as never knowing if it did happen, seems very irrelevant. Otherwise there are some points of interest in your posting, but the doom and gloom seems a bit tilted, eh? The Earth would be very scared if this leaked out. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1596 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, I really don't know very much about this, and I usually don't pay much attention to these type of articles, but I thought it was interesting: http://www.ken-welch.com/Reports2/Obama01.html , either way, I don't see things changing that much in the US. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 05-2008 |
Scott, why don't you ask Billy about the merits of reverse speech? I believe Billy did say that Obama was not too good but not too bad either... which was better than his comments about McCain. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 480 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Scott, Reverse speech is a complete farce and has no business trying to debase a future President. Another false aspect of this webpage is the idea Obama doesn't write his own speeches. He writes nearly every word that he prepares for any planned presentations. Change will be for us to decide. If we allow ourselves to be governed as always, yes little will change. There is an actual mandate present, unlike the false Bush mandate where our rights have been mowed down. The platform of the Republican Party(RP) is based on cronyism, and top down economics. While there is collusion amongst the RP and the Democratic Party(DP), an air of change is approaching with the 180 degree switch of the party in control. Knowing who owns who, and how much do they own, reveals the direction the government will take. The difference we have with Obama is he has not the same pressure of big donors and their agendas threatening to pull financial support from their future elections. Big money on Obama's side has been from people, just normal folks. He does have to worry if he loses our support. I am a bit of a political junkie,(does it show?) and I search for the nuances that slip out every so often from political leaders. Obama has let a few nuances out, and they're dangerous ones. He cares. It's a shaky political position to be in if you owe too many favors to the usual suspects. Obama has a force of one person that will watch his decisions( no, not Oprah!), and that person is me, you, all of us who voted for change. There is a feeling we belong to the decision to bring his ideas to power. I am experiencing this communal belonging from a first hand interaction amongst people I see daily, and people I pass by an exchange a casual word or two. I am jaded in this way, but I'm willing to fight for a better world that rests just on the other side of that mountain. Billy's teachings condensed down to one small sentence can sound like this, 'One man can move a mountain'. It's a matter(keyword) of knowing the forces to do this. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1208 Registered: 02-2000 |
Scott, But Billy said the Presidents do have power & are not just controlled by others. My Website | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 226 Registered: 08-2007 |
Kingman, ... This is not meant insultingly: you appear to be under Mind-Control, along with many others of Obama's Supporters. Believing something false is true is never going to make it true, nor ultimately even make you feel better about yourself. It's a very short term Investment, of quickly depreciating Value. http://theprolific.com/2008/08/meet-obamas-corporate-backers/ Donor: Goldman Sachs & Co. How Much: $627,730 Donor: JP Morgan How Much: $398,021 Donor: Citigroup How Much: $393,899 Donor: UBS AG How Much: $378,400 Donor: Google How Much: $373,212 Donor: Lehman Brothers How Much: $353,922 Donor: National Amusements How Much: $352,603 ... Now let's take a second Look at his primary Contributor, Goldman Sachs: DOES GOLDMAN SACHS RULE THE WORLD? By Robert Wenzel Not completely, but it doesn't mean they aren't trying. It seems that, literally, only flesh eating bacteria can stop these guys. The Canadian dollar breaks above parity and, lo and behold, last Thursday, a Goldman managing director, Mark Carney is named governor of the Bank of Canada. Mario Draghi, governor of the Bank of Italy, is also a former Goldman managing director. Then, of course, there is U.S. Treasury Secretary, Hank Paulson, who was Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Goldman. Goldman did have a man at the Bank of England, but their presence there has gone astray for the time being. Goldman man David Walton was on the Bank of England's Monetary Policy Committee from July 2005 until June 2006 when he died at the age of 43 from necrotizing fasciitis, i.e., flesh eating bacteria. Unimpeded here by flesh eating bacteria, Goldman's presence in United States government financial power circles remains very strong. Prior to Paulson, during Bill Clinton's second administration, Robert Rubin served as Treasury Secretary. Rubin was Vice Chairman and Co-Chief Operating Officer at Goldman from 1987 to 1990. From the end of 1990 to 1992, Rubin served as Co-Chairman and Co-Senior Partner at Goldman. And, Robert Zoellick, new head of the World Bank after Paul Wolfowitz was booted, was a managing director and chairman of the Goldman's International Advisors department. How do they use these positions? Who knows all the details? But, at a regularly scheduled Fed monetary policy meeting on August 7, the Fed failed to cut interest rates. Records, obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request by Kenneth H. Thomas, a lecturer at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, show that the next day Rubin called Fed chairman Bernanke. Bernanke cut the discount rate 10 days later. Rubin says he called Bernanke to tell him he was doing a good job. With the sub-prime crisis making markets extremely volatile, it was a difficult period for most investment banking firms, but not for Goldman. On September 20, Goldman reported much better than expected 3rd quarter results. Analyst Glenn Schorr at UBS AG writes the earnings demonstrate Goldman's "ability to not only navigate choppy waters, but make a ton of money doing so." Better at navigating choppy waters? Do you think your local investment club would show a better performance if your club members managed to get positions running the U.S.Treasury, the central bank of Canada, the central bank of Italy and the World Bank? And if this isn't enough, wouldn't it be great to get Ben Bernanke to take your call in the middle of the sub-prime crisis? So what are the Goldman boys up to now? Columnist and political insider, Robert Novak is reporting that the Goldman boys are getting ready for Hillary to move into the White House. Despite Treasury Secretary Paulson working for a Republican Administration, Novak reports: Eyebrows at the Treasury were raised last Tuesday when Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. named a major Democratic fundraiser to an important advisory role. The next day, eyebrows were still elevated when Undersecretary Robert K. Steel participated in an event spearheaded by Bill Clinton's two Treasury secretaries. Oh yeah, Steel also happens to be a retired Goldman Sachs vice chairman who worked at the firm with Rubin and Paulson. Here's more from Novak, obviously scratching his head at Paulson's moves: A longtime Republican officeholder now in the Bush administration noted these developments and e-mailed a fellow Republican outside the government: "This leads some to wonder whether this Treasury has become the pre-placed Hillary Clinton team." ...the former Goldman Sachs chief executive does not act or sound much like a conservative Republican to the GOP remnant at the Treasury. "It's not in Hank Paulson's DNA," one official told me. Is he loyal to Bush? "Hank is for Hank," the official replied. UPDATE 7-2-08: Hillary Clinton is slipping in the polls, will this be a problem for Goldman? What do you think? Here's an update on Goldman Sachs and their latest power move, the infiltration of the Barack Obama campaign. The infiltration is led, of course, by Robert Rubin, former Co-Chairman of Goldman Sachs, and who is now advising Obama. Further, Obama has named Jason Furman, his top economic adviser. Furman was an aide in the Clinton White House, and worked there directly under Rubin. He is also a close associate of Rubin through their work together on the Hamilton Project. Which doesn't mean that current Goldman employees aren't paying attention to Obama. David Brooks of NYT reports that: When you break it out by individual companies, you find that employees of Goldman Sachs gave more to Obama than workers of any other employer...Over the past few years, people from Goldman Sachs have assumed control over large parts of the federal government. Over the next few they might just take over the whole darn thing. UPDATE 7-21-08 Goldman's most senior financial-institutions banker, Ken Wilson, is temporarily leaving the firm to advise Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson on how to resolve the country's banking crisis...Also, I just became aware this weekend via an NYT profile of CNBC's Erin Burnett that she worked for Goldman for a year. UPDATE 9-22-08 Goldman is going to become a bank holding company and former Goldman CEO Paulson is about to become an American oligarch. Details here. UPDATE 10-7 Goldman Sachs becomes bank holding company on September 21. On October 6, Treasury Secretary and former Goldman head signs tax rule changes giving huge tax benefits to bank holding companies. UPDATE 10-9 Neel Kashkari named Treasury Interim Assistant Secretary for Financial Stability is a former Goldman Sachs man. --- Goldman Sachs are among the Bankers behind the Dictatorship of the EU, as Billy prophesied would come into existence. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 227 Registered: 08-2007 |
Kingman, I did not even mention that Obama is one of the -most- compromised Presidents ever, being both a natural-born Kenyan with no presented Proof of even Citizenship of the United States, and a Bisexual who has gone so far as murder Gay Men with whom he previously had Relationships in order to silence them. Thus, he will do -exactly- what the Military-Indusrial- and Banking-Complexes tell him, or be removed from Power in a great Scandal. If you think they had compromise on Clinton and Richard Nixon... Salome, - Matthew | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 09-2008 |
Salome Hi Scott, One thing is for sure; if Al Gore’s presidency was not stolen, Iraq’s war would not have happened. Presidents and their buddies whom they listen to, do have tremendous powers here in USA if they want to use or abuse that power; Bush did. As far as this Ken Welch, in Houston, IMO, he seems to be cooking some long term hidden agenda with partial facts, and spice it up with lies. Remember, Bush and his family used Texas to widen their filth; I know because I used to live there and used the same health facility as Bush Sr. Out of the blue, his looser son became Texas governor. This is, by the way, the year Plajarens warned us about a “rat catcher” coming to power. (Look this up in a recent forum post) Let’s just see if Obama is up for this almost irreparable challenge; one can only hope. Again, IMO, He was, undoubtedly, the better choice between the two. Salome Zhila, The inevitable evolution facilitates our retreat back to our source, the mighty Creation. Let us then praise this absolute foundation called Creation and be a part of this universal evolution or be extinct as a species. After all, it is up to us. | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 09-2008 |
My dear friend Shawn, IMO, As our cherished plajarens usually put it; What you are saying here corresponds to the truth. Zhila, The inevitable evolution facilitates our retreat back to our source, the mighty Creation. Let us then praise this absolute foundation called Creation and be a part of this universal evolution or be extinct as a species. After all, it is up to us. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 05-2008 |
Matthew, you must be drinking a steady flow of conspiracy kool-aid. Please substantiate your allegations regarding your fellow human beings bisexuality, in this case Barack Obama, and the subsequent murder of his gay lovers. Moderators: Wherefore are thou? This is what I'm talking about regarding consistency in moderation. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1597 Registered: 12-1999 |
Matthew, I want you to answer Earthlings questions. In addition I would like you to answer Norm's question: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/1917.html?1226710230#POST36065 Scott | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 406 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** YES, MATTHEW, PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE.! YOU BEGIN TO SPOUT NONSENSE LIKE THE UNIBOMBER.! *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 483 Registered: 07-2004 |
Matthew, It's important to read all sides of an explanation of any event. When a donation is made the law requires that you state your place of employment as one of the many requirements to allow your money to be acceptable. Do you know how many employees Goldman Sachs has Matthew? 22,425 Here's someone else's work on the math: Assuming just half of those 22,425 employees donated to Obama, that's $32 per person. If a quarter of them did, that's $64 per person. The max a person can donate is $2,000. If you want to assume that everyone at Goldman Sachs donated that much, that's only 184 people. And I doubt only 184 people out of a company with over 20,000 employees donated to Obama. I myself donated $25, 5 times and $30, 2 times. This equals $185. If I was the average donation at GS, 3393 people would be how many people contributed. That's some conspiracy they got going there. They also donated to McCain so their organization is very unorganized. Crazy huh? I didn't bother to read beyond the comment of me being under mind control. I felt very honored for you to think I was important enough to be a focus of our SEKRIT WHIRRLED LEADERS, out of the 300 million other citizens in Amerika!  Focus on yourself is all I need to say right now. Anything else you have written is not valid at this point. Seek help now my friend while there's time. Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 486 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi J=rod7, This is a response to your post 411 in the Human Body section(not sure why it's there). I would seriously doubt any organization that was begun now would be the source of bringing the world together without some nefarious intentions behind it. I could be wrong. My thinking on such an organization forming will happen once the planet is so battered by illogical world leaders, that an opportunity to do away with this style of governing becomes available and obvious. We have potentially hundreds of years of stupidity ahead of us, before we look up from the smoldering wreckage and proclaim, enough! But we will make it there. We will begin to think correctly in the future. My reasons are complicated in how I arrive at what I think will happen for our future as a human species. To much for a single post at least a friend in america Shawn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 412 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hi Shawn, I don't know why it (#411) got posted over there. You're right, it should be here. I think I thought I was in the right place. Yeah, I slipped a gear. Moderators, If appropriate, may I re-post in this section? Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 10-2008 |
IMO I do not even think that crawling up from the ashes of a buried civilization will do the trick Shawn. The only way to move on from a mistake is to learn from it. To learn how to defeat it, how to apply other options, how to react differently, how to think differently, etc. The Plejaren( whom I like to now call 'the common sense of the galaxy') have taught us that we are doomed to continue making the same mistakes until such a time as we learn how to actually do something different when we are confronted with those problems. And as a race, humanity has not yet learned that little direction. We could have a nuclear war, whcih we already did,(Hiroshima), and destroy every major sity in the world and we would still come out stabbing each other in the back looking out for number one. many of our race call that simply survival of the fittest. we know different. All of the preaching, and all of the disasters will not create the requirement in us that we need to solve our disorder. You are right Shawn, it is going to take many hundreds of years, and many more disasters. And this world is going to suffer far more than it ever has in the past. the only hope for this planet is going to be the truth being discovered by key people in powerful positions that have the ability and opportunity to pass that truth along to many others enabling a multiplicating of the truth by many times, reaching enough people to begin to make a difference in worldwide. That is why many of the religions teach of messiahs. Their intellects tell them this obvious reality, which their spirits cannot understand. That is also why the Plejaren say that this is the time to act, this new age coming upon us when more minds will be open than at any other time in history. When the truth can be seen by people in this world who can make a difference on a greater scale than ever before. Which is why, although I agree that preaching our message may seem futile knowing that minds must be receptive and looking first, I also think that if we do not take advantage of this time of the New Age, with the presence of the Prophet, we may miss the chance that awaits us in the form of some powerful leader who is at this very moment seeking for truth and could wander the same path that each and every one of us have to get here. I trust in Creation's ability to accomplish our evolution, but the time factor is our responsibility. How long we take to evolve as a race is our task. And we should not make that task any longer than necessary. I believe that we should be striving to evolve toward pure spirit with every waking moment. And in that philosophy i think its a mistake to not be reaching out with our message. Even if we reach mostly deaf ears, at least the opportunity that one important ear with power behind it may hear. And from this may spring the learning from mistakes that can advance us further in our evolution. Think about the possibility of getting this message out there if one of us was Obama, or dali lama or someone who the world would hear. What if instead of me finding FIGU it had been one of them? But to place our hope in time, and hope that man will eventually learn from our mistakes, I am afraid is merely extending the wait by many many times its necessity. What Jrod has said is possible with this new group is exactly what we should be reaching for. They may or not be the catalyst of hope, but at least we are reaching for something. We know we cannot reach for the Plejaren because they have already done all they can do. the responsibility to evolve is ours alone. Evolution is individual. We do not really evolve as a race. Race had no evolving spirit. It is just a natural course of events that our race evolves as individual components of it evolves. Exactly as the image of Creation. We need to reach out to individual components with our hope for humanity. So, as individuals who do want this evolution process to slow down, or take more time than necessary, we need to take responsibility for ourselves evolving individually, while at the same time knowing that life on our planet will be much more pleasant and advanced as our fellowman evolves with us. We can assist in that task by simply passing on what we have learned and waiting for it to reach someone that can make a difference worldwide. Learning! That is the key to evolving, and if the opportunity to learn arrives by circumstance, natural or planned makes no difference. It is still opportunity to learn, and to evolve from that learning. And a planned opportunity to reach some worldly personality that may have the power to magnify a circumstance of learning, reaching many ears at this great time of the new age, is exactly what we and FIGU should seek now that we have the information given to us by the Plejarens. we are told there will be no more prophets. We are told that the truth is all around us waiting to be discovered. We teach our children the majesty of creation. Why can't we point out these things to our fellowman while we evolve? "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 414 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Well, here is proof that science is making some Amazing Discoveries. A ONE-Cell critter the size of a Grape is found...: ["Slowly rolling across the ocean floor, a humble single-celled creature is poised to revolutionize our understanding of how complex life evolved on Earth. ["A distant relative of microscopic amoebas, the grape-sized Gromia sphaerica was discovered once before, lying motionless at the bottom of the Arabian Sea. But when Mikhail Matz of the University of Texas at Austin and a group of researchers stumbled across a group of G. sphaerica off the coast of the Bahamas, the creatures were leaving trails behind them up to 20 inches long in the mud."] Story at: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27827279/ In the Interest of Knowledge, which leads us to Wisdom. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 415 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello Pathfinder, I find in Your writing, now You are making good Sense. ["The Plejaren ( whom I like to now call 'the common sense of the galaxy') have taught us that we are doomed to continue making the same mistakes until such a time as we learn how to actually do something different when we are confronted with those problems. And as a race, humanity has not yet learned that little direction."] Nice little thought: 'the common sense of the galaxy'. You know one definition of Insanity? Insanity is to do the same things over and over, expecting different Results. You also ask: ["Why can't we point out these things to our fellowman while we evolve?"] Very good question. Perhaps MOST People are NOT Aware these Messages and Teachings are now on the Earth. One possible solution = ADVERTISE that the Message is HERE, and How to find it. Billboards, Radio Spots, or Newspaper Ads, if done in a tasteful & unobtrusive format, could open the Doors for many. This could be done through a special fund set up at FIGU.US and All other countries FIGU centers. No one Person should attempt such a venture, but to be done as an Outreach of Authorized Efforts in an Advertising Campaign. Yes? YES.! Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 10-2008 |
in the paragraph above : "So, as individuals who do want this evolution process to slow down, or take more time than necessary, we need to take responsibility for ourselves evolving individually,...... who do NOT want the process to slow down. Sorry about the carelessness. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 488 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Pathfinder, Your final question works well with what you post. You ask this: "Why can't we point out these things to our fellow man while we evolve?" You've asked one of the hardest questions that has an answer that is difficult to believe. Why can't our fellow man/woman(mostly men), see the simple resolutions to all the ills we face? What is it that hinders an intelligent person from realizing the solution to what confronts us from destroying our progress we've made. In every country that is technically advanced the answer should be VERY obvious. It sits in most every living room in these modern countries. It is the greatest baby sitter ever devised. It was the advancement of this technology that allowed something like the internet to be realized. And we all know the internet is the tool of all tools for our education to reach forward and catch up to our technological reach. Somewhere imbedded in the internet is the teachings of Billy. The amount of static(random info that saturates the LCD screen before you) that masks the Spiritual Teachings is beyond infinite. You see, the internet is infinite. We need to understand that. It can represent the idea of the Universe. That is if one was to visualize it from a two dimensional perspective. There will be no end to the river of information that will continue through everyone involved with this vehicle for evolution. We truly hope there will be no end. But we need to realize Billy's teachings will reach it's completion. Our job will be to discuss it with others when it's OK to discuss it with others. That is what you need to discover for yourself. No one can describe the situation exactly to you. You'll create situations where through trial and error, your intuition will build. Then opportunity to reach someone who is there before you, wanting to know this puzzle you seem to have a piece of, will engage you with their own effort in trying to solve the mystery you have shaken loose in them. It's trial and error. Learning from your mistakes. Repetition is the mother of learning. Overcoming the fear before you. Cause and effect. It all works it way to, "Knowledge used Logically, becomes Wisdom, smothered in the Love of All Things.". It's very important to remember, Billy teaches what has been in front of us from our first sight of life. He isn't a magician with the secret of secrets your mimicking will realize. It's our effort of seeing what is right there in front of you all along. Remember the first time you helped someone you've never met before?. Someone who was in a position you could feel their hopelessness bombarding your every emotion. And you could see the solution screaming in your mind, tearing at your consciousness to do something. And you pushed away the fear of being wrong, stepped forward and assisted someone in a way that shattered their belief in the selfish nature of man FORVER. No!? Then I can't explain to you how, or when, we will eventually reach past our current stagnant nature and begin our path to becoming a valuable part of something vastly bigger than Earth Man. But if you know what I've written as something you've experienced, and you still wonder how we will change, you've just forgotten. Thats all. We all forget. It is the TV's most important job as of now. It's the overwhelming effect that TV has on the leading edge of our planet. To convince someone to turn off the television is just as important as exposing them to Billy's materials. But I know you know this, you just forget every now and then. Long posts are not my favorite things to do, so please accept my apology for dragging you through this ramble. Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 417 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello All, An interesting new Organization has arisen to challenge the New World Order. This Organization is known as [The] Democratic World Federalists. Their website is...: [ http://www.dwfed.org/ ] (not a Link, do a 'Copy/Paste'). "The Purposes and Objectives of Democratic World Federalists are: To promote an understanding of the principles that: "The people of the world, as interconnected members of a common humanity, must recognize that the well-being and safety of anyone should be of concern to everyone. "The people are confronted by global problems, such as war and civil conflict, crimes against humanity and anarchy, large-scale poverty and disease, and degradation of the environment. These can be dealt with, and peace and the well-being of the people promoted, through enforceable world laws. "The people, as sovereign citizens, are inherently endowed with the authority and the duty to govern themselves, either directly or through elected representatives, on all levels of society and ultimately the world. As citizens, they should respect the rule of law, which their civic participation creates and legitimizes. "The government of all political units must be open, democratic, and accountable to the people and have effective legislative, executive, and judicial branches, with checks and balances. "Planet Earth, with unity in its diversity, requires a democratic, federal system of government, where problems from local to global are dealt with by governments at the appropriate level. "A world constitution with a declaration of rights should be promoted by any means possible, e.g., restructuring and democratizing the United Nations, federating a number of regional unions, expanding a community of democracies, or building a new set of institutions of government through a world convention. "To develop an organization/movement without borders and spread its message throughout the world via contacts with other civil-society organizations, educational institutions, the media, lawmakers, and the general public." ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ Certainly, this appears to be an Organization of Worthy Goals, in need of support from as many People who care for the Future. This may, indeed, be the Nucleus of a World Government which Billy has written about as to lead Human Kind into Peace, a World where the the Teachings of Truth and of Creation may grow. FYI, I have also sent a copy of this message to the Obama Transition Team. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 491 Registered: 07-2004 |
Just so it doesn't go unchallenged, It would be unfathomable that the Republican Party, or Hillary's campaign in the Democratic Primaries, didn't JUMP on the opportunity to nullify the progression of Obama's campaign by challenging the authorities responsible for overseeing a candidates citizenship. The idea they would allow such a simple action pass them by and thus dethroning him with such an easy, cost effective method, is...... well difficult to comprehend. Logic alone tells us we need not worry about such false distractions. A Republican allowing this to slip by, never in a million, billion elections, ever. Period. The desire to see something one wants to believe in their thinking, blinds that person to a monochromatic vision that has only one color as its reality. Our world has all the colors we seen, as well as a plethora we don't. There are other aspects that were brought up about Obama, but the fact that these ideas are huddled with obvious misconceptions, make it unnecessary to broach the mere thought of what was presented as reasoning to think he(Obama) has been 'compromised'. Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 10-2008 |
I think you are speaking against reaching out Shawn. Correct me if I am wrong. If so I understand why you say what you do, and agree to a point. I also see the need for individual responsibility to discover truth as I have written in my post above. But as I also state, the rate of speed with which our entire race keeps up with the advancing evolution of its fellowmen can be aslo enhanced by a reaching out of those who are advancing higher ahead of them. Is that not exactly the case with us and the Plejaren? And is that not also one of the laws of evolution, that the more higher evolved assist the lower evolved in the whole process? I know I have read that here somewhere and can find it if necessary because it is in one of my separate folders right now which I had been studying last week and is still there. I have a binder full of copied material, and I take a few chapters and place it in a smaller folder to carry with me. As higher evolved humans we are obligated by , either a creational law or directive, I am not sure which, to assist the lesser evolved in their growth. So reaching out to them in hopes of reaching the ears of some powerful person who can magnify our efforts by many times, could have great implications to the state of our world affairs. On another board they are discussing something about the spirit of this nokomideon, and great leaders who will come to change the world. I was hoping they would bring that discussion in here to build on this one. I am not famailiar enough with that subject to insert my own opinion. But I do know that it is going to take some great leader with great opportunities and great knowledge of creational truth to bring this planet out of the darkness it is in, and if we as proponents of light can't even be bothered to shine our flashlights on his path while we are holding them than what joy can we take in any success he has. If we are holding a torch, (our own evolved light), than why would we leave it unlit and hanging by our side as we wait for the power of enlightenment to walk up our path? Why shouldn't we instead have the path to our door well lit with the torches of knowledge and wisdom that we have to offer? Right now we live in the only house on the street that nobody in the neighborhood can see from the road because all of the lights are off. The owners hide inside with their hands over their candles studying the vast knowledge of information they have aquired. Our competetion, religion, has its spires reaching into the sky all over the world in every block of town praising the glory of deceit. While the truth remains hidden in a cabin in utter seclusion. is it any wonder that it is taking so long for mankind to relaize their mistake? Semjase says publishing a book would create wordlwide confusion. Than lets not publish a book. But that doesn't mean that we should not reach out at all. That does not mean that we could not act somewhat in the sense that Jrod and Javier are suggesting by a little advertising just for direction sake. we do not need to pound out the details, or throw out confusing light signals, but we can offer direction which lights the path to our house a little better than the hidden candlelight through our windows. the internet is a great means to advertise, but even wesbites need to be advertised in such a way that they can be easily found through search engines. Billboards and bus stop signs would go along way to drawing attention to any poeple who may be on the path and help guide them in the right direction. PEACE INSTEAD! DISCOVER THE REAL TRUTH! www.Billy.ca Imagine that in downtown New York,and midtown Tehran on a bulletin board. Even if it brought rudicule from a million, yet it still reached that one person that could make all the difference. What did we lose from the ridicule of a million? Nothing. but what might we gain? Isn't this why the Plejaren came to us? To help mankind advance from their darkness? Why shall we advance from one darkness and hide in another one? Will we still have this same attitude when a leader comes along that does want to go public on a grander scale? will we not follow him or her in their effort? I am not sure what FIGU and Billy say on the matter at this point in his life. But to me, after everything that he has thusfar lived for and discovered, and given the reason for his entire existence in this life, and the reason the Plejaren are involved, without confusing the world with unfathomable truth, we can at least take the next step which is seeking out people with power and opportunity to reach many more people with the message in ways that we cannot do with our resources. People that the world will listen to and consider. People like Billy and Horn, but who do not have the stigmatisms attached to them. People who have worked their way into public life and earned respect that can then pass our message on with credibility minus stigmatism, slowly and in the right places and times to gain the best advantages. Intelligence will be the key to success. Applying an intelligent method of dispersion to the masses. Simple logic tells me that seclusion and a snail's pace patience is not applying the teachings of the Plejaren to constantly strive, to strive to reach higher evolutions quickly, and to assist those who are less evolved. We are balking! "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 10-2008 |
i am not here to promote this group that Jrod has revealed to us. i have not checked them out fully. But I do acknowledge jrods sense that we should be reaching out in search of something with similar opportunities. That we should at least be looking for and being open to opportuinities that can advance our cause. we do have a cause don't we? Having said that however, one thing I do notice in this democratic groups mainfesto is that they suggest worldwid enforcement. Now that opens up a whole new can of beans right there. The fact is that there will always be an opposition to anything new, especially from religious organizations who are bitten by its teaching. If a new dog comes into the neighborhood that nevers craps, always smells great, never sheds, never chases the cats, loves children, never barks, and seems like the perfect pet, but loves to bite butts, that dog is not going to make it in any society. the bite will finish it in a day. Our bite is vicious to say the least in a religiously established society. Especially Christian, Muslim or Jewish. so to enforce our beliefs in the scenario of that group will pretty much lead to war between the authority and those who will feel oppressed by that authority. A bomb waiting to explode. that group espouses moral expectations, but their means of reaching those higher goals is through world domination. Yes, we understand the need for a world authority to oversee overpopulation for example, it is vital at this point.But religion has too many faces and too many arguments to attack on a worldwide scale from a place of obscurity. we would be wiped out immediately and long forgotten with the same speed. No, we need the world to come seeking us, so we do not have to impose laws to govern them, but simply reveal the natural laws that already govern them. All we need to do is light the path of our walkway so they can find the house and maybe put a few signs on the road to get here. lets not make ourselves hard to discover. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1603 Registered: 12-1999 |
Pathfinder, What does this website have to do with current earth events: PEACE INSTEAD! DISCOVER THE REAL TRUTH! www.Billy.ca ? Scott | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1604 Registered: 12-1999 |
Pathfind, Are you referring to Billy as a great leader who has come to change the world? Scott | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 10-2008 |
No , sorry Scott, must be a translation problem or maybe my attempt at explanantion. Let me clarify it quickly. We were discussing ways of reaching out with our message and playfully suggesting a billboard which could advertise such an effort. That was an example I used. I should have placed fore xample in front of it i guess, instead I placed Imagine THAT after it. My mistake. Feel free to edit it appropriately. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 492 Registered: 07-2004 |
Pathfinder, I'll try and be straight to the point. This will not be easy. That's my point. To short of a response? OK then I'll explain a little more of my OPINION. I'm usually speaking for myself when I explain what I sense the probable opportunities to reach others with this delicate, powerful, misunderstood knowledge are. I've made forages trying different methods of approaching people(ones I know well) with Billy's information and find it difficult if not impossible to gain their interests. It wasn't wasted time by any means. I learned what not to do. My successes, if their is such a thing, have been when people approached me with requests for help in solving questions they may have. Simple questions, complex questions, either one, if I was able to advise them with something they could use in their life I gained in their confidence in me. These things take years I've learned and I know they can't be rushed. The individual is only ready when their ready. Approaching someone who is thinking, 'Let's go to the ballgame', will be feeling awkward if you wish to present them with, 'Life changing knowledge'. Remember I say these from my experiences. So I've come to realize for me that knowledge can be passed along when your porch light IS shinning brightly. But the reason the porch light is lit is because I've been able to help those who needed help and consider me a valuable source as someone who will offer their assistance when needed. I can't always help, but I always respond. Some of the ideas you propose are familiar to society and they work as you say, a million roll their eyes, one sees the light. This is not advancing in a logical way IMO. The person you gather could very well be someone who is just looking for something to follow, some new path that is different than all the other ones they've tried so far. Yes, I am guessing. But so is that method. I was employed as a seminar coordinator for a few years with a national sales trainer. One technique we taught was a powerful tool for leading a client to make a decision that was truly good for them. The method involved getting the person to say what you want to say. We remind the students we are training of this ability with this phrase,' If I say something, they can doubt it. If they say it, its true( to them at least, and in sales that's a lot). So on these ideas I fish for something that can lead a person to open up a conversation in a direction that can entail parts of Billy's logic. It does work. Back to what your presenting. There probably is a place where you could billboard people to death and begin some kind of chapter of the Teachings. Of course you know what that sounds like, 'Here's the church, here's the steeple, open the door and see all the people'. A little humor there, but telling none the less. You need to do what works for you and learn from it. Don't let me discourage you for my reasons. Use the logic your growing everyday through studying Billy's materials and begin applying it to the area that makes sense. Your area is different than my area and I can't say to you what is best. You obviously have the energy to invest, just realize the most efficient approach through your trial and error and focus there. That's what I was pointing out from my experiences. Yours will be different, or not. There is so much to learn everyday. If you wish to discuss this further we should move to another topic. Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 01-2008 |
Don't know who all remembers this taking place, but here's a link to Jean Michel Jarre's Millennium concert at the Giza plateau: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyRREQ52NEM&feature=related Spot the symbolism! & don't forget this guy tried projecting the Eye of Horus on the pyramids, as well as the fact that he wanted to cap the largest with a gold capstone for the purposes of his concert -- permission was denied for the latter part, and fog obscured the Eye of Horus from the concert goers. His outfit also bears striking resemblance to one Samuel Mathers' : http://www.hermeticgoldendawn.org/Documents/Bios/Mathers3.jpg I guess draping him in the pelt of a leopard for the concert would have been a bit too obvious. Jarre's certainly got an interesting track record of holding concerts in distinctly... interesting locations, with a plethora of interesting symbology. Seems like a pretty old bell he's using in this concert... and one that, as far as I can tell, is used only in the opening of the There's an awful lot of stuff in his concert that corresponds directly to 18 -- the 29th path in Qabalah. Aleister Crowley's book '777' comes in handy with this concert. Just some interesting food for thought. Peace, - Gaia | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 117 Registered: 10-2008 |
Isn't it amazing how vast the intelligence of our great world leaders is? Even now, in the very midst of it they still can't seem to figure out what to do. Imagine the great intellect it must have taken to come up with the solution to give more money to the banks, from the pockets of those the banks have bled dry, to create this disaster in the first place, and then wonder why that money seemed to disappear in the process. i know, I know! let's now take some more tax money from the people the big three autodealers have been sucking the life blood from and give it to the car manufacturers to help pay for the fuel their private jets use. I know, I know! let's buy all of our oil from a country that wants to blow us off the map so they can make it so expensive that they will be able to afford a nuke, while we spend so much for their oil that we cant afford a machine gun. No wait , now this one is really good! Why not take that 700 billion dollars and buy the BIG THREE, and convert them using the pre-existing structures and technology, and create a nationwide foundation for providing green source fuel delivery, and plants to make that type of vehicle , so we dont have to buy fuel overseas or pay rich GM/FORD CEOS through the nose for inefficent cars. Oh wait a minute, we tried that with computers and ATMs and that didn't work so well did it? When it came to setting up a computerized national banking systen where they could make money and subject the populace to their ideals they had no problem setting it all up. Within a couple of years everyone was using ATMs. How long did it take to have diesel readily available at gas stations? 700 billion dollars would go along way to turning around the country's way of using and producing alternate fuel, while at the same time continuing the tradition of car building culture, retaining the thousands of jobs there. But the rich biathces still got to have their say and make their portion, even after they are the reason we are in this mess in the first place. they bled us dry, made our enemies rich, filled their pockets, and now that there is nothing left, they can simply jump into their private jets and hightail it to one of their many castles in some other country. People need to be held accountable here, and their rights evoked, property confiscated and coverted back into the money they stole from us. They are no different than terrorists themsleves. One million dollars from their pocket is the same as ten bucks from mine, and yet they cry out bankruptcy when they have to give up a million dollars of profit. can I go to the bankruptcy department just because I made ten dollars less last year? Get real world! This is ridiculous! "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 01-2008 |
Pathfinder; Even biofuels are an inefficient source of energy right now, especially when one considers that all the corn, soy-beans, etc. which would be/are converted to produce biofuels should be used to feed the hundreds of millions of starving people all over the globe. Feeding people who are otherwise going to die of starvation just seems like it should take priority over being able to drive our cars or fly in our planes. On the other hand, why not just force the government to disclose all the free energy technologies which they keep classified and hidden from us to force a dependency on one form or another of inefficient fuel sources? We know they've gotten their hands on actual extraterrestrial technologies, as well as the fact the Bafath gave terrestrial humans all manner of technologies. You can thank the Roswell crash for the fact you even have a computer or the internet right now. Now let's hear what Tom Bearden (among others) has to say on the matter: http://www.energyfromthevacuum.com/index.html Peace, - Gaia | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 497 Registered: 07-2004 |
Gaiawingz, When corn is converted into alcohol the residual mash is now depleted of it's starches, not completely, but reduced enough to make the 'waste material' better for the feed for cows. We've been feeding cows corn for generations. Never a complaint about feeding the poor then. When the mash is emptied of its alcohol the solid material is actually better as an animal feed than raw corn. It's only inefficient use is not using something that gets us away from foreign energy. Feeding people without teaching them to help themselves creates bigger problems. Supplying food is not an answer to world hunger. Roswell? My computer? Where is this information documented besides in your mind, the thing you claim as your reference. These are big claims and as such require big evidence. Please enlighten me. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 10-2008 |
I have read various arguments and supports on alternate fuels and technologies and they all seem to have their pros and cons. I personally like the solar and wind options for their green affect. As for alien technology? I'll leave that to the governments to battle over, all I want to see is the intelligent use of opportinities that we all know are already there. if we could get access to that Roswell stuff that would be great. Like Gaia said, maybe we already have. But its not the alien technology that is really being hidden from us that bothers me the most, its that the truth is being hidden. And the fact that a few rich are abusing their poorer fellowman to attain those riches. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 501 Registered: 07-2004 |
Pathfinder, You should take into account the fact that our technology is far ahead of our spiritual evolution. Our world is incredibly out of balance and we are headed to some serious corrections. This must be obvious to any outside force examining our progressions. In a strange way, so called alien technology is not what mankind needs right now. We need to open our eyes and say, " We are not doing things right". Solar and wind power are some of the best methods we can employ at the moment. It's a shame that ulterior motives from outside entities brought the atomic energy equation back into the present. We are not in any kind of evolved state to be juggling such devastating forces at this level of our spiritual development. We are a danger to ourselves. Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 10-2008 |
Yeah, you are probably right Shawn, look what we did with the atomic knowledge. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 504 Registered: 07-2004 |
I keep my beamship under wraps so it won't fall into the wrong hands. So it makes sense that the shadow guberment would too! a friend in america Shawn | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 01-2008 |
Kingman; 'These are big claims and as such require big evidence. Please enlighten me.' -- listening to Richard Dawkins much? Billy himself stated the US government recovered things like, y'know, bio-organic androids from the Roswell crash. Learn German and read the contact notes. Peace, - Gaia P.S It's a shame you seem to hate common sense so much, since you'll never get very far without it. | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2008 |
Meow , gaiawingz ! | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 505 Registered: 07-2004 |
Gaia, I will ask nicer, Can you point me to where I can read this knowledge. I do appreciate your common sense, but how does your saying something make it true. I've not read such information from Billy about Roswell, but I would like to. The bio-android I have read about. I don't recall the mention of us creating computers from all the fenders and bumpers from that interstellar crash site. What's an abacus? So If I understand this correctly, bio-organic androids showed our guberment how to build computers. The first vacuum tubes must of been something to behold on that there first computer. Those androids are always kidding around like that. Of course then they whipped out the silicon chip and said, "Ha! just kiddin, here's the real stuff..." I've never read anything of Richard Dawkins, not really sure if I know who your talking about. I don't hate anything, cept' onions. Can we maybe lighten up a little. I actually think you have knowledge of a lot of stuff I am blind to. I truly am not trying to be some kind of adversary. Your intelligence is obvious and real and I was thinking maybe we could share a little. I feel awkward thinking that you relinquish me to a grain of salt category. I'm regretful if I asked you something inappropriately. Not my intentions, I can get a bit snarky. Life isn't always so serious, just trying to share what we can. I'll try not to bother you whenever possible. It's my own fault for wanting to know what you know and not being able to present my query in a more cordial way. The bio-organics were all dead when they found them so disregard my humor above. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 454 Registered: 04-2006 |
I agree with some here who consider the objects and technology found in the debris of the Roswell Crash surely helped to improve electronic circuitry and computer science. Reverse engineering....But that was a helping hand, success in this field was not a coincidence or good luck. Thanks to Roswell the military got new toys that they tried to reverse-engineer. As usual, military gadgets resulted in general advance of science and technology for ordinary people. Kingman "i don't hate anything except onions"...That was hilarious as hell | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 10-2008 |
Roy , have you ever worked with someone who just wouldn't give you any slack ? It's usually someone who knew someone who looked like you or knew someone who had two a's in their last name where there should have only been one . Part of my life lessons have been to figure out what my role is among such folk . Sometimes you just can't seem to win or break even when they are just against you , and trying to be nice to them only ascerbates their interminal impatience with you. What is a snark ? Is it a cross between a shark and a snail ? You see , I do read each and every post . I agree that people on this here forum should lighten up , or I will post again . I mean it . Don't make me prove it .This thing is loaded and I will use it . MC | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 04-2007 |
thank youj mark!!!! everyone or most of the ppl on this forum is so uptight and serious and crunching there eye brows so bad its merging into 1. ppl need to seriously lighten up, crack a few jokes here and there..theres no reason you shouldnt. ppl might think that if were not serious that they wont take it serious. if ppl believe in it then there it is. why you need to be serious. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 510 Registered: 07-2004 |
Mark Cambell-a danger, even to himself. My Dad always told me, if your gonna point that thing at anybody you better be prepared to shoot. A threat isn't much of a response You got a license, right? A snark for all intended purposes is a person possibly named Snidely Whiplash, who has an occasional stick stuck up somewhere( it varies )-all some sudo pompous metaphor . The shark and the snail fit, your just gonna have to promote that one yourself. My work is done here. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 10-2008 |
coffee break's over ,back to topic ! | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 685 Registered: 10-2000 |
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashrur.htm And as you already know from the Henoch Prophecies: Civil wars and anarchy in America Yet the misery on Earth will continue, as two terrible civil wars will break out in America, whereby one will follow the other. Afterwards, the United States of America will break apart and deadly hostility will prevail among her, which then leads to the division into five different territories; and it cannot be prevented that sectarian fanatics will play a dictatorial role. But death, destruction and annihilation will not only rage in Europe but also in America, where much suffering will have to be endured and many deaths as well as destruction and annihilation will be. America and Russia will have the most terrible weapons of mass destruction at their disposal—a fact which is already the case to a certain extent today—and will clash with violent force against each other at that time of conflict, whereby Canada will also be dragged into this conflict. The source of this conflict will substantiate the Russian attack on the American State of Alaska and against Canada. Michael Horn | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hello Hector and all, your post reminded me of one of the FIGU bulletins that I had read, look under the "Monitoring Systems" heading within Bulletin #2 //www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_2 It refers to multiple capture and reengineering of the technology for use against all people of earth to watch our every move. Here's a brief excerpt : It is a fact that we, the people on Earth, are continually monitored and surveyed by the DSP satellites stationed and circling in space around the Earth in a geosynchronous formation which guarantees that the planet is thoroughly surveyed around the clock, 24-hours a day. This monitoring process is worldwide and virtually not one square meter of ground is omitted. The DSP system currently is so advanced that almost no step can be made on the face of the Earth without it being thoroughly observed. Although this capability has not yet been fully implemented, it nonetheless exists and is currently available and utilized for specific purposes of observation and monitoring. This fact remains "top secret" and only those individuals with the highest security clearance dare whisper about it. While some DSP monitoring system data leaked to the public for the first time during the Gulf War in 1991, when the system was zeroed in on the Iraqi Scud rockets missiles after their launching, other implementation possibilities for this system remain a well-kept, strictly observed secret. The system is capable not only of promptly detecting enemy fighter and bomber aircraft, but also of triggering defense actions on a large scale. It can currently implement surveys and monitor functions beyond anyone's wildest dreams. Indisputably, certain related technology was not invented by terrestrial technologists and engineers but came to them by way of diverse UFOs, respectively extraterrestrial spacecraft that had crashed in the USA. The Americans secured the spacecraft, examined them in great detail, took them apart and retro-engineered them; and they continue to do so today. Therefore, some technology from the UFOs also served the Americans in the construction of their DSP defense system which enables them to implement large-scale surveys over the entire globe. I recommend reading the entire article as this is just one chapter. I do remember Michael Horne mentioning that the USA already had some triangle shaped craft according to Billy's inquiry of the P's of some video that M.H. had given to Billy when he visited him. It would also explain possibly the photos of USA craft around mars in the 1970's that Billy had taken from the P's ships. Matthew | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 10-2008 |
Sombody has COFFEE? "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 04-2007 |
Very interesting link here, apparently saddam hussein http://story.malaysiasun.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/b8de8e630faf3631/id/434196/cs/1/ ready it, seems interesting..send me your comments on what you think is true or not. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 05-2008 |
http://www.shambles.net/worldclock/worldclock.swf Life on earth. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 693 Registered: 10-2000 |
You might want to take note of this article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/3540964/Mumbai-attacks-Terrorists-took-cocaine-to-stay-awake-during-assault.html A couple of years ago, Billy told me that the U.S. had a cloning program that went back 30 years and that it wasn't strictly utilizing genetic manipulation but also surgeries and drugs. If you read the passage in the Henoch Prophecies about these conscienceless clones, you can see that there are already some applications of this kind of technology, coupled with physical training methods that may have come from the west or even Russia. I have a funny feeling that Matthew can weigh in on this with more info! Go for it! Michael Horn | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 05-2008 |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/3540964/Mumbai-attacks-Terrorists-took-cocaine-to-stay-awake-during-assault.html That link didn't work Michael. Hopefully this one does. | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 09-2008 |
Hello Everyone, The power of brain! http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4564186n Salome, Zhila, THANK YOU BILLY. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1254 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Michael..... I also heard, that they had some sorts of NUTS....to nourish them while they were at their rampage. I guess, to keep up their Energy. Which is a known quality....of Protein in the mentioned. But, Drug Use during wars in very common, though. The US pilots in the second as well as Vietnam, used Amphetamine, and other stimulants Drugs, to keep them awake...and going. Even today, the mentioned is giving to the forces! But is not talked about! Just like, the Vietnamese and Chinese used Opium and other energetic drugs, to keep them on their toes. Even, goes back centuries, to Indian, and African tribes...etc...utilizing certain PEP Leafs or Plants to give them the 'extra' boost....to fight and stay awake during their battles. Edward. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1628 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, Has anyone heard of this new currency, the Amero, which is designed to replace Canadian, US and Mexican currency? http://halturnershow.blogspot.com/2008/12/urgent-new-amero-paper-currency-exposed.html | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 324 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi i have heard here and there stories about the US dollar being replaced by a new currency, but it could be just rumours, in the web and through mails one can receive all kinds of false informations from idle persons who just dont have anything good to do if it actually happens as the article says then i dont think people will just sit while they rob their hard earned money. . . Well now that i think about it something similar happened here in Mexico some years ago and our currency (pesos) was devalued so 1 million pesos became "1000 nuevos pesos" 1000 pesos became 1 "nuevo peso" and so on. . . I have never really investigated much about the matter `cause at the time i was simply too young to worry about such things. . . Anyway if the AMERO thing happens or not the future seems black and many many persons will lose their jobs in the coming months, so its better to be prepared for hard times. | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 04-2007 |
god scott your behind, i knew that for months now. hopefully that wont go by because no one in canada agrees with a new currency They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1629 Registered: 12-1999 |
Syn, I actually heard of this early this year, but never spent any time looking into it until someone sent me the link which I posted.. Scott | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 04-2007 |
oh, well it sure sounds legit and should happen somewhere in mid 09 if i stand correct. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 02-2008 |
I first heard of the Amero when I watched Zeitgeist in 2007. From my memory, in 2005, there was an arrangement between Canada, Mexico and the U.S which was un-announced to the public and unregulated by congress which merges Canada, Mexico and the U.S together into one entity, erasing all boarders called the "North American Union". Those three countries' sovereignty will thus be removed and a new currency called the Amero created. George Bush is who signed the agreement, which was without approval of the congress or the actual american citizens. ^ Whether all of that is true or not I don't know, I never researched it myself. But I know that CNN has covered this issue on American T.V before multiple times which said the same things. There was also something about an RFID chip which would be implanted in people's arms which makes it so people don't need material money or license etc. anymore because they get scanned instead for identification and buying things, however I think that will be rightfully rejected by everyone. I have however already seen some propaganda documentaries about it already though. Reece Stiller | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 01-2008 |
North American Union, ahoy! ... for a time, anyhow. Ultimately, I think it's a Pan-American Union they want, and really just World Government. For anyone not located on the West Coast of the States, there's been some interesting stuff here of late. Aside from the pending tsunami and earthquake whatnot, there've been several huge pro-illegal immigration rallies here. Now, although I wonder why our police aren't rounding these people up and deporting them back to their country since they've made it so easy by gathering together in one place, I wonder even more why our cops are going out of their way to brutally attack American citizens who protest even the slightest bit at these mobs of illegals chanting and marching through our cities. Before anyone calls me a racist, I know there are more than just illegal Mexican immigrants here, but the truth still stands that they are the ones who pour in by the millions. What concerns me about this is that, given what the Mexicans are being taught about the lost Aztec empire... Divide and conquer is one of the oldest tricks in the book. If the Mexicans could be manipulated into acting as a violent bludgeoning force against the USA, triggering civil war and mass panic, etc. then in the long-run bringing Canada, the States, and Mexico under one government wouldn't be nearly so challenging. Something about watching a Seattle police officer bash a man's face against the concrete after pulling him out of his car just makes me suspicious. Especially when the man's sole offense was holding up his middle finger to a crowd of pro-illegal immigration marchers. Countries have boundaries. It's kind of part of the whole definition of being a sovereign nation. If we wanted to do something to help these people, we would do something about the rampant government corruption and overpopulation which they suffer. We would do something about the starvation, about the lack of real medical care, about the diseases and the crime. There are more billionaires in Mexico than in any other country on Earth, and yet people wonder why the masses suffer as they do. While we're at it, has anyone noticed Africa lately? The next several decades will be quite interesting, I have no doubt. If there was ever a time for empire building, this is surely it. Peace, - Gaia | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 05-2008 |
Gaia - Don't know where you got your info about more billionaires in Mexico than any other country but I don't think that corresponds to the truth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_the_number_of_billionaires http://www.readnrock.com/?p=63 http://www.aneki.com/billionaires.html Also, the United States is the only true melting pot on this planet. Whatever strength & power this country has, can be attributed to its diversity. I'm sure native americans, aka the American Indian, would have something to say about illegals immigrants and what they have wrought. Never the less, where are, we we are, today, and must deal with the present situation. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 465 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey there, i live in canada and i have not met a single person who wants to merge with usa or mexico. the united states does not have a good rep in the minds of many if not most canadians. canadians like the canadian way, those that do not, have moved to the states. i'd say the moon turns green before canada merges with the usa. and if there would be some kind of closed door behind the scenes agreement, there would be major riots. in vancouver people rioted because their hockey team did not win a cup. | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 04-2007 |
peter hands down. NO ONE and i repeat NO ONE wants a merge with us and mexico and most people i know will simply refuse the amero if they know what was going on. i strongly urge the canadian people to refuse the acceptance of the NAU. if it is required to get violent then so be it. governments around the world is getting much more controlling and frankly the informed citizen is getting frightened to the point where they are getting furious. i hope to creation that there will be violent riots and brutal fights because i REALLY seriously am convinced that its the only way to get our point across with such magnitute as something liek this. thank you peter, you took the words out of my mouth.!!!!!! They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 466 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey there syn, although i dont think there should be violent riots, i am of the opinion that as long as the people of earth simply let the governments take away there rights and freedoms bit by bit, eventually there will come a time where the people will have enough, and rise in violent protest. | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 04-2007 |
thats what i think is coming, people are not going to put up with this anymore. its gonna get nasty They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 217 Registered: 10-2008 |
Syn and Peter, I think you're right. But what really concerns me is WHo is going to win this battle. Will we end up in a more liberal world or a more conservative world? One thing that always leaps out at me about democracy is that it claims to be based on equal rights and freedom, when in reality it is merely based upon majority rule and whichever faction has the power to create their freedoms over those who may disagree with their views. And that is what is leading to this brooding civil war. The winner is not freedom or equality, but instead will be the ones who win the right to impose their way of life on those who do not want to live that way. Conservative or Liberal? Multicultural or Christian? Time will tell. And what do you do when your side loses? if you do not want to live in a country that tolerates public displays of pornography what do you do? Move to another country I guess? What this world needs is a one world government that can enforce a rule of law that is best for humanity. it really is the only way to create unity because there is simply too many differences to address. The problem of course is, who's rules and way of life gets to be the one that is adopted as best for all mankind? Back to the starting line again! "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 11-2008 |
Does anyone know if there is anything mentioned in the contact reports regarding a tiny Swiss watch being found in a 400 year-old tomb in China? http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_3122542.html | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2008 |
I apologize if this has already been posted: 'Mind-reading' software could record your dreams http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16267-mindreading-software-could-record-your-dreams.html | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 04-2006 |
About the subject of the Amero here's a website that takes the opposing stance to the so called new currencey. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/amero.asp Matt the Redbeard | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 04-2007 |
doubt it, business men of high respect even announced the coming onf the amero. too many sources verify that there is ameros. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 567 Registered: 03-2004 |
http://209.85.135.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://fr.news.yahoo.com/2/20081216/tfr-cinq-batons-de-dynamite-decouverts-a-f56f567.html&usg=ALkJrhjQCHDkev1ezBTfziHi44fMbGo93Q This is a google translation of a French article on Yahoo. The reason I post it here is because it may be in relation to what contact 251 mentioned about France being overrun from the inside. There are many arab-origin people here where I live (just outside of Paris) and, although most of them seem to be very good people, there is also an element of the population who don't have such kind intent. side note:Please do not draw the false conclusion that this is a racist statement. I do not condone nor practice racism in any way. This is merely a news item that may or may not be connected to the information in the contact notes. Thomas | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 508 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Greetings to All in Peace The possible emergence of a World Government, or "Global Governance", is being seriously considered. The story, from Matrix News Network (formerly 'Out There TV'), at this Link...: http://www.matrixnewsnetwork.com/inside-the-matrix/918-a-world-government-is-it-possible-or-feasible.html Next step: Global Peaceforce (Billy's proposed Peacetroops). Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1269 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Thomas..... As far as what I have gathered from the News Reports; Germany, England, Belgium and the country I live in: the French intelligence are not really that sure that the sticks of dynamite are linked to an Islamic group, what-so- ever. The last update is, that it may be an Extreme Leftist group or something similar, because of how the noticed was composed. There were some words that did not fit the way an Islamic group would compose it. It could just as well be an Extreme Right-wing group...trying to evoke a war. In the country I live in, certain individuals in our Political System which are Extreme Right, try very hard to insult the Koran and Mohammed just to evoke a war; which was the analysis done by certain social investigators. And, so far...so good, no violence has occurred by any Islamic groups...as the Extreme Right would have liked to see it. And this trend may even set itself forth, abroad. So, now steps are being taken by the Justice Department to, if possible... persecute such Political individuals; as one Geert Wilders, which some of you may know, is still being looked upon to persecute him with his Fitna movie, and other hateful outlets against Muslims and related; he made in the past which are on News footage, etc. Even the Jordanian Justice Department, is in the process of persecuting him....for Hate Crimes, and evoking a war. And the EU want nothing to do with his film, and will not even show it...in great scale to their personnel. There was even an Extreme Right politician here, whom sent - Threat - emails to all sorts of politicians even, his own party, as well as others in our government: and Himself! And he made a big show of it, also. But, the intell got him on time; he should have known...the every PC has an IP nr! So, now he is doing time! But he was not the only one doing such things; others have tried to do so, also and were caught. As you can see...HOW stupid some people can be to start a conflict! Something really wrong....with such individuals, with their Hate Crimes! Edward. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 517 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** I agree here with Edward's evaluation. Right-wing or Left-wing makes little difference when Extremism is on the menu. Such ones will often disguise their intent behind the philosophy of another benign group. Indeed stupid people, to think they can 'get away' with inciting insurrection. I don't know if anyone has been watching Bush in America lately. Bush has been re-writing history with his Double-Speak to make himself out to be a 'Saviour' of the whole World. There is now serious consideration to impeach Bush (IMO-too late). Also being considered is Criminal prosecution of 'Dick' Cheney for War-Crimes. Such ones seem to forget that their prior comments have been captured on Video Tape, in news broadcasts, in documents and memos. I hope that when we all reincarnate after the next few cycles to 800-years from now, the world will be as Billy has Prophesied. For myself, the lies of the 'leaders' and their promotion of endless conflict are getting very tedious. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 572 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thanks for the info Edward and sorry that it took a while to respond :-) Thomas | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 05-2008 |
http://52.thelastoutpost.com/video-4/police-state/cia-embedded-in-every-state-government.html Former Governor Jesse Ventura exposes he was interrogated by more than 20 CIA agents during his term of office in Minnesota. Despite the CIA's mission statement which states they are not to be operational within the Unites States, Ventura stated that he had embedded CIA agents working in high level positions of the Minnesota state government. Ventura also said that when these agents retired, their replacements were already chosen for him by the CIA. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1271 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... As usual, Israel goes accord with a Peace treaty with Hamas which was conducted many many months ago, but DO...go on eliminating their so-called alleged Terrorist Heads (and so forth) within the Hamas organization: Thus, Israel is NOT keeping their WORD...in the - Cease Fire Treaty -, once again; and add more fuel to the fire, as it has been the case even, in the past. "Overkill" executed by the Israeli Forces. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7801662.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7801657.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7801292.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7801641.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7801123.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7801356.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7801444.stm Positively, the new to-be president of the USA, Barack Obama, will take heed to the Israeli stance towards Hamas and the Palestinian matter, in general? [As Billy mentioned, Obama's support to Israel is not such a wise idea. And that Mr. Obama, perhaps...will CHANGE his course in the future to come?] The above mentioned scenario will in NO WAY...generate Peace for both peoples (and WHOLE REGION) if they continue in such manner. As was mentioned on the News, here-and-there: Elections are due soon in Israeli and it seems there are certain parties trying to make good use of the above mentioned scenario to WIN the Elections! Literally: "Over Dead Bodies!", as they say. Which seems to be a Strategic Monopoly Logistics of Israel, as most of us here may know. Again, Israel is Evoking the WW3 'World Fire' Scenario to be - Self Fulfilling -...instead of averting such Cult Religious Madness! Again, Israel is Breaking the so-manyth Peace treaty, which is quite reminiscent to what occurred to the Native Americans hundreds of years ago! Treaty after treaty...was broken, and once again, this is occurring to the Palestinian People. The Peace treaty(s) is/are Theater....whilst the Massacre goes on behind the curtains, but these curtains will opening up....for all the world to SEE, the TRUE FACE of Israel, once again! Thus: Israel, do not - Forfeit - your Possibility for Peace, and if you do so: It IS.....Your Own Doing! [As the Previous Prophets have Foreseen, and WARNED YOU of!] Peace Be With All Human Beings Of Earth..... Edward. | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Edward, Hello. The issue of Israel and Palestine is outrageously unfair and dangerous, for the well being of all of humanity on earth. What you have outlined is a sad part of our reality and all we can really do is to participate in the peace meditation to offset this seemingly doomed scenario. Salome Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 146 Registered: 05-2008 |
Edward & Creational, as I stated elsewhere, it is far to easy to blame Israel, entirely, for this matter. The fact is that the oil producing Arab world, is all for a conflict between the hapless pawn Palestinians and the big bad, easy to blame, easy to incite, over-reactive Israelis. No oil producing country can thrive on sub $40 oil and most can't survive on sub $60 oil. I am not condoning the Israeli response but despite obvious appearances, this conflict is most certainly a two-way street, with the Arab world using Hamas and innocent Palestinians as pawns in an effort to get the price of oil and their state budgets, out of the gutter. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 10-2007 |
something to think about: http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=11296529&ch=4226714&src=news Corey | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Earthling, I am not a politician. However, my intuition, along with examination of the history, all the existing evidences/facts, and the BEAM's material, put my observation where it is. With that being said, logically, any conflict is always two sided. These two sides are indeed feeding the fuel of one another. The law of cause and effect always rule. Retaliation, IMO, is truly savage, no matter what the reason. Salome Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1274 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Zhila and Earthling.... You understand it quite well Zhila, and I agree with you. Very perceptive said. Earthling, we must keep in mind, that Israel will never give the land of Palestine back to it's Original inhabitants due to that land and sea region is full of OIL! This IS...the number one Reason, Billy as well as the Plejarans mentioned of the invasion of Iraq. So, not only America was/is after the Oil...but even....The Israelis! And within the border region of Palestine, and her seas. And the Palestinians feel this Black Gold his their ownership, and not those whom Occupy their land for decades; going back to many thousands of years way before the time of Jmmanuel, and even the previous True Prophet lineage; in times of the Cruel and Criminal Nomads known as, The Hebreaons. So, as you see: there is MORE at stake! And Criminal elements within the Israeli power structure will see that it stays this way! No matter what it costs! As I mentioned, Literally: "Over Dead Bodies!" They have no Scruples at all; as Jmmanuel stated even back in his times! And as long as the - Occupiers - of Palestine do not give back the lands to their Rightful owners, The Palestinians: BLOOD will flow....like rivers. America and Israel are just PAWNS of Each other! And the Greatest Terrorist Exploiters on the face of the Earth, as the Plejarans have stated and as we can Acknowledge from the facts presented to us all on today's News and past history events, etc.; which Confrim every Word the Plejarans and Billy, stated. As long as this is the case: Man on Earth will not live in Peace and Harmony! Edward. | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 273 Registered: 10-2008 |
Some say this conflict is a result of the occupation. But the truth is that the Land of Canaan was conquered a long time ago by the Jews, and they have been fighting the cousins of their forefathers over that land ever since. It is absolutely no different than the conquering of America by those involved there, or any other conquest of lands throughout the history of civilization; the Greek empire, the Roman Empire, the Huns. The only real difference is that past civilizations have adapted and evolved, working with whatever changes were necessary to move on and survive in their changed world. Japan has done well for themselves since Hiroshima. If any people ever had a reason to terrorize their conquerors it would be the Japanese. And it seems that the Arabs will not rest until they find themselves in the same situation with a nuclear attack that will once and for all eliminate their fanaticism. What will they have won when their land is blasted into nuclear winter? How may times do they think they can drop mortar shells on the marketplaces of shoppers without having their more powerful victims turn on them? Will the mouse continue to antagonize the elephant until it gets trampled into nothing but broken bones and guts? What does that accomplish? Does the selfishness of attaining martyrdom deserve the sacrifice of all that a man should love in this world? What shame! The Arabs will never tolerate the Jews living in the Land of Canaan. Their religious fanaticism about that piece of realestate will not be adaptable. And this includes man, woman and child because of the way their culture is. Very few cultures send their women and children into battle and place them at the front lines as shields against their enemy. An enemy who they hope will be too compassionate to harm their children, while they use that as an advantage to kill their enemy's women and children in an attempt to drive them away. The fact that a culture can use the compassion of their enemy as a weapon against their enemy, meaning that they use their own immorality and lack of compassion as an advantage, is what defines the bad guys and the good guys right from the start. As cowardly as that sounds when actually written down in words, the Arabs suggest that this is an acceptable strategy given the military advantage of their battle. It may be an effective strategy but it still reeks of immorality. Most men would rather die first than to sacrifice their families for their ideologies. Religion is a horrible plight on this earth. The Palestinians may have an argument to be made about the occupation, but I would forsake everything before I would go to a mans home and murder his wife and children just for the sake of a piece of sand that I could easily walk away from. How could I defend my faith if that faith required such savagery from me? Let alone to ask that I use my own family as a shield to promote my cause. No, my friends, Israel may be wrong in their occupation, but the barbaric and inhumane methods the Arabs use to attack that problem are far from acceptable in a world of what should be loving human beings. What would be the definition of the lands of the Arab should they actually win all that they fight for, if only to become a land of brutal barbarians who would stab their own child in the back to distract their enemy? The Arabs have been so intent on winning that they do not realize what they are losing in the process. Provide and care for the loved ones who depend on you for their survival. That is what defines us as humans, not the sand or religion that asks us to murder them. Sincerely, Hunter "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 149 Registered: 05-2008 |
Creational: Edward writes: "As usual, Israel goes accord with a Peace treaty with Hamas which was conducted many many months ago," However he fails to mention that Hamas had not obeyed any ceasefire and has been provoking Israel all along by lobbing rockets and other assorted ordinance into Israeli territory and the civilian populace. Sure Israel goes overboard. The point I was making is that behind the scenes, Israel has the unspoken backing of Arab secret services and governments to conduct brutal defensive and offensive retaliations and aggressions, against Hamas and hapless pawn Palestinian civilians. It is no coincidence that crude oil is up 15% since this conflict escalated last week. Neither side is truly interested in peace. The Arab world is fully cognizant of Israel's heavy-handed over-response to Hamas's instigating, and is all for it; with a behind the scenes wink & nod, at the expense of their own most unfortunate and expendable citizens and civilians - the symbol of their cause - the Palestinians, caught in the crossfire of Israeli and Arab intrigues, selfish-interests and survival instinct-responses. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1276 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Earthling..... The Cease Fire goes back many Years! Hamas went accord with the deal, as did Israel; but what did Israel do in the meantime: Murder Hamas members, Inclusive their Wives and Children, at the same time! Do you think that Hamas would tolerate such Cowardice behavior? From a people whom DO NOT keep their Word. [As I mentioned: the SAME occurred to the Native Indians! Very reminiscent, eh?] Of course not; who would: it is just Consequences - Cause and Effect. And the Israeli's will just have to face the Consequences....they create. Simple as that. What they Evoke....will have Consequences. So, as reaction back, from than on, Hamas just did the same back to Israel! Very typical of Israel: to conduct a so-called Peace treaty, but then still Assassinate....whom they wish. [As they did to Isa Rashid, even trying to help Billy get to the Beyond, even!] I do not call that a Peace treaty...they are just trying to fool those whom can not be fooled...as you can notice. Israel (and America) should just accept that Hamas WON the elections and not eat themselves up from frustration. Hamas was honestly elected-in and WON. Whether they like it or not. So, I guess we are dealing here with very Sore Losers! "Eat your heart out"...Israel! You can not have it your way....all the time! "The one who bites the dust the last....bites the hardest", as the saying goes! Edward. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 150 Registered: 05-2008 |
Edward: There are no significant oil fields beneath Israel nor the Palestinian territories, nor in the surrounding seas. You are scrunching your world view to fit some old prophecies or some, but not all of Billy's statements. You are repeating someone else's words and statements, like a mindless parrot or a tape recorder. There is no intent of insult with that statement. On the other hand, Pathfinder makes many valid points without Billy's influence creating a blind bias. There is no excuse for the murder that is going on; however Palestinian blood is also on their fellow Arabs hands, who are only too willing to sacrifice their brothers and sisters for their own selfish interests. It is far too easy and too fashionable to solely blame Israel for their over the top responses. There is a lot more going on beneath the surface. Arabs have a hand in the murders of their own. The responsible ones on both sides do not have peace as their number one objective. Soley blaming Israel and repeating others words will not bring peace. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 558 Registered: 10-2007 |
... Hello All, Ed-Pathfinder has correctly identified the root-cause of the conflict. "Their religious fanaticism about that piece of realestate will not be adaptable. And this includes (every) man, woman and child because of the way their culture is." [ (A very well-written post, Pathfinder.) ] The 'cause' is not oil, as Earthling has pointed to the actual dearth of such resources in that small region. Nor is the 'cause' even the land - as there are many large open areas of land where the refugees of Palestine could settle, grow food and live in peace. The 'Camps' are the result the politics DERIVED from the religious differences. As Zhila has written: "logically, any conflict is always two sided. These two sides are indeed feeding the fuel of one another. The law of cause and effect always rule." The Two 'sides' are a result of the polarization produced from religion. The people need a serious infusion of Truth Salome ... You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 390 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Pathfinder whomever you are... Billy's writings do not agree with your stand on Israel nor do they seem correctly placed in the current earth events section. It appears to be opinions... this is not my area of expertise so I may be wrong about this... It is more of a materialists' perspective rather than a humanitarian type like myself. You previously mention you want to ask questions but where are the question marks? What follows is my understanding from the Meier Material (feel free to correct me, anyone): Israel was given the land by the Russians and Chinese near the end of WW2. Before that, it was land claimed by the spoils of war begun predatorily by the twelve tribes of gypsies which; the Judaens and the Israli remain. Years before... it was land claimed by the Turks, it is my understanding... and it was taken over from them predatorily in a war with the twelve tribes. The Turks, distantly related to the Arabians, and the Greeks it is my understanding owned the land before that. Aparently there are other reasons why this land is valuable besides the concept of territorial rights. The reason most likely has to do with big business such as oil... or the protection of it's transmission and transport... So... the Greeks had it first (thousands of years), taken distructivly by the Turks, taken with greed by the Twelve Tribes and then given to the last two of those twelve tribes by two countries not directly involved. Materialists... sheesh. | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 274 Registered: 10-2008 |
The diplomacy in this situation is merely the politics of the governing powers. The real problem is not found in those politics and will not be solved by them either. How many peace accords have gone down the tubes already? And how can the politicians even begin to make a peace accord work when all it takes to break one is one activist with a bomb strapped to his chest. It is the people and their religious faith which are at the heart of this conflict, and as long as there are fanatics who do not want peace to succeed, there will be no peace. They will destroy every attempt with one act of terrorism. There is no solution when one person can end the hopes of a million. Until the powers start looking at this in a different way the circle will continue until one side is completely obliterated. And then it will end. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 04-2006 |
Here's a recent article from a family just trying to live in the Gaza Strip. http://www.newsweek.com/id/177194 | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 401 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Rarena, Israel was created and given under the Balfour Declaration of 1948 as a homeland, ostensibly for Jewish people, by Balfour of Britain and the so-called victors of WWII. Chris | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 275 Registered: 10-2008 |
Dear Randy , whoever the heck you are, what is it about my post that is in disagreement with anything that you just posted about all of those various factions having control of the land at some point, and why does that warrant your calling me a materialist? Explain yourself if you are going to degrade me please! Hunter "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 276 Registered: 10-2008 |
Redbeard, I have no favorites in this conflict however, could you look up some articles about Israelis that are describing their daily routines of dodging mortar shells lobbed into their market places? "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 277 Registered: 10-2008 |
Actually Israel was created when it was conquered by the Israelites thousands of years ago. It was then taken over by the Romans. before it was renamed Israel it was known as the land of the Caananites. This may not be completely accurate but biblical history confirms that this land was fought over long before the Romans or Greeks. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 393 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Chris (Cpl), Thank you for the historical clarification... really appreciate it... Jewish... not Turkish or Greek: the original long time inhabitants of the land... Whatever the cause...It obviously makes people mad enough for continual war when you live for thousands of years on one speck of land you call home... and someone steals the ground from beneath your feet in a predatory manner. And yes, others have clearly observed... territory is not the only reason for these continual disputes... Big business and power hungry countries have a lot to do with it. Diplomacy and politics are actually against the twelve commandments since they involve lying... We are in the wrong section here for this discussion... Thanks again Chris. Happy New Year... Peace and wisdom on Earth and among all beings...  | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 05-2008 |
Weaving in Billy's prophecy of female leaders taking the world in a better direction: fwiw, I like the new woman prime minister of Israel, Tzipi Livni. I like her face, how she speaks and how she come across. One may not agree with her politics or actions in this crisis (or me on this) but imo she is one of the new breed, unlike Hillary Clinton. http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?ei=UTF-8&p=tzipi+livni&n=21&js=1&tnr=20&sort=new&dur=all&fr=yfp-t-501&c=av | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 562 Registered: 10-2007 |
... Hello Ed-Pathfinder, I think, insofar as recorded History of the land of 'Palestine' goes, you would have to go much further back in time. Consider a review of the Akkadian Empire, the conquests of king Sargon of Akkad. In the earliest Sumerian sources, beginning about 2400 BC, the land of the Amorites ("the Mar.tu land") is associated with the West, including Syria and Canaan, although their ultimate origin may have been Arabia. And then the early Warfare between Egypt and the kings of Assyria. Also for review is the expansion of the Persian Empire. Then consider too, The Phoenicians established trade centers along the coasts there. There will also be UN-recorded histories before these times, of Nomads from different cultures moving through the land. From all this, it could be said the land has changed hands so many times, that no one group can say there is a 'historical claim.' ... You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 10-2007 |
destructive violence is why high atlantis had to be evacuated. Perhaps if everyone could let go of their particular portion of the elephant (deity) so to speak, everyone could take a step back and realize the elephant is really a shimmering blue planet, we can read that the principles of the Henoch based fighting system, or multinational peace keeping troop have been used to stabilize entire planets and even entire galaxies and systems for eons and eons and eons, and could seemingly maintain planetary wide peace in upcoming environmental and realization/development times. Included in that thought purposeful science could easily stabilize entire countries and lands and the planet (Terra), and ensure everyone has enough to eat, has a place in society and that everyone's decendants could experience everlasting evolvotive peace and the human conciousness can unfold. The Plejarens seemingly call us earthumans (Erdenmenschen) underogitory but a classification based on our race/of earth. for me this is promising and exciting fusion: http://www.space.com/news/cs-081230-space-station-patch-contest.html, maybe one the patches can all read "terra" overlayed a blue planet Corey | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 114 Registered: 09-2008 |
Hello dear forum members, Have a very happy and peaceful year everyone. Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! Zhila, Thank you Billy. |
