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    Pudd Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 02-2006 |
The new Meier film,"silent revolution of truth",a film that I have been waiting for.The time has come for humans of earth to raise our conciousness to where the truth can be recognized.Theyfly.com has a clip.Peace to all,.Pudd | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 06-2008 |
hey guys, How did billy earn the money to buy his house and land and how many acres does he own ?? Please help.. -John Pelegon is my idol. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 244 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hello John, Does that really matter? | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 374 Registered: 07-2004 |
He doesn't own any of it. It belongs to all the members. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 384 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi John, From the way you phrased the sentence seems like either you have been misinformed or you are assuming things without asking first. The Centre in Hinterschmidrüti is owned by FIGU, Billy doesn’t own anything specific by himself. It is all thanks to the initial core group that managed to make the mission possible. Until today they all spend their saving on the mission, and to assure its continuance. They put their whole lives for FIGU and its causes. As for your question to how many acres “they” own, I don’t know but it’s a big land. But then again I guess this is all irrelevant as I gave you an answer to your main question. PS: Just in case it might interest you, FIGU periodically publishes the profits and expenditure of their accounts, as they are a nonprofit organization and therefore have to publish such information. Salome, Badr | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 06-2008 |
Dave - Kingman - Badr, It's an important issue because if he bought his assets with money from a possible ufo case hoax than that's misleading and immoral. I would like to know how much his house and land costs at the time of purchase and now... Pelegon is my idol. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 385 Registered: 12-2004 |
John, This point can be important, if you have doubts. Why are you asking about "his house"? did you actually read my previous reply? The owner is FIGU, in case you don't know who or what FIGU is then you might consider clearing that up first. So that means Billy doesn't own a house. Salome, Badr | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 645 Registered: 10-2000 |
Jpm, I think that the answers regarding ownership should now be clear and if you have questions regarding the possibility of a hoax please view the articles that address that at www.theyfly.com. Michael Horn | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 241 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Jpm, I think it would be good if you first did a clear investigation of your own into the case, and find out for yourself of its authenticity. Because if you have already done this, you wouldnt be asking these questions you are. Salome, Aditya | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 349 Registered: 06-2005 |
I would like to ask ; why is the General Area all Blocked? The link below is a ray of Hope for the general public. Dear Bianca, Please read the announcement page. Salome, Badr | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 06-2008 |
i dont see my post Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. - Ozzy Osbourne | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 06-2008 |
\repost/ hey guys, i've noticed that when earth humans talk they exaggerate alot of what they say. here's 4 examples that im featuring... someone will see a $1 million dollar house and say "wow, i guess thats what 20 million gets you!" "dick chaney is completly evil, theres nothing good about him" (there has to be something good hidden in his personality somewhere as is the case with almost everybody) "i'll be with you in a moment..." (10 minutes later he/she converses with you) "i CAN'T goto the movies with you tonight, i made a prior obligation" (instead of saying i'm not going to the movies with you tonight) i like to talk in literals and im always conforming to their way of speaking and it gives me alot of anxiety, i feel like i cant be myself. Billy and perhaps most figu members know that it's more logical to talk literally because you're then able to unite with reality and keep a healthy consciousness; and maybe it helps you're spiritual knowledge in someway too. Has anyone else noticed this exaggeration trend ? all input welcome... Salome \repost/ Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. - Ozzy Osbourne | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 02-2008 |
Hi Jpm, Yes I notice this too. I also notice how news reporters always (or at least too much) talk in that serious type of tone. To me, the news broadcasts having the news reporters talk like that suggests little wisdom. When I was a kid, I used to always talk completely literally and truthfully, and I never changed. I just have to explain certain things I say to people for them to understand my thoughts and not take something the wrong way. But of course there are some people where I have to deliberately talk a bit differently due to them not being able to comprehend what I would normally say. I can't properly be myself with most people (at least at school) due to the conversations I would really like to have being quite different to what they talk about, and also there is so much unintellectual/undeveloped arguing etc. and also a lot of bad or immature behaviors people have. If I were to be like those people, I couldn't be serious and I have no need or desire to be like that. I got to say that have a lot of good thoughts and feelings towards everyone here - FIGU, Billy Meier, the Plejaren and others for all of what is happening and also of course every single human being. Salome, Reece. Reece Stiller | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 392 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Jpm people when they talk they constantly using mullets, sayings, fabricated phrases which origin they do not know where it comes from. But your subconscious processes such information anyway. So it is very important to manage and dominate your language skills, so in every moment you know what ideas/concepts you are conveying and what ideas/concepts you are receiving. Language is the instrument we use to exchange ideas and to give shape, to give a silhouette to our thoughts, so we have to make a precise, exhaustive, thorough use of it, because bad use of language means to transmit different ideas as initially conceived. In my opinion this has to do with bad habits, acceptance of bad language sometimes (slang), mimick of comediant's sayings, bombardment of commercials/adverts, propaganda....People's use of language is very negatively influenced by external repetition of insubstantial messages. As a result, they make use of those insubstantial messages to give shape to their thoughts. I understand that you have to make an effort to "decipher/decrypt" what people in their daily lives try to communicate. I suppose that you make an extensive use of logic while the people surrounding you do not. Salome. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 253 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hi Jpm, Greetings All In Peace, Most people talk from behind their insecure EGOs. They may also have a fear of being rejected, so the language will be obscure and indirect. Those of us involved with our Spiritual evolution learn, along the way, fear is nothing to fear, and EGO is an obstacle in the way of Truth. Also, regarding so-called 'news broadcasts', you must know that the media is controlled by the military-industrial complex. The Homeland Security has a heavy hand also on what is allowed for them to tell the public. There is VERY heavy censorship going on with the 'news'. Salome Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU? J_rod7 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 380 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi J_rod, The EGO is not necessarily an obstacle to the truth. In fact it is an asset for finding the truth. This all depends on how one uses their EGO. Part of ones ability to protect themselves in life comes from EGO. The different qualities that our EGO's contain can lead us to misinterpret the truth when confronted. Also regarding the media, they are controlled by the highest bidder. Heavy censorship is putting it mildly. a friend in america Shawn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 255 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hi Shawn, The EGO-driven need to always be right is the stumbling block to Truth. If the insecure EGO cannot admit to errors, growth will be limited. The ability to set aside the demands of the EGO for self-preservation of the 'false-front' (to 'save-face'), is the ability to correct ones thinking, and is to go forward in logical thought process. In Peace Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU? J_rod7 | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 393 Registered: 04-2006 |
I asked Billy about the Ego some time ago and this was his response at that time: Hi Billy, I want to ask about the "Ego" or the "I".Almost everywhere and everybody (Buddhism, Hinduism, psychiaty, new age sectarians) seem to advocate for the suppression, dissolution of the ego, the I.At first this seems to be a good advice, but the more i think about it the more i consider this ego-suppression a stupid advice/teaching. I think Ego-suppression/dissolution makes you unsuited to live(lebensunfähig), transforms yourself into a servile, servant, obedient individual, just what religions want.Not to be active, but passive.A certain amount of Ego,I would be necessary to lead a decent life in these stages of evolution. Am i more or less right? What about ego-suppression and meditation, should a meditator try to block his individual identity-ego-i, while meditating? Billy: If a person is suppressing his/her ego, the person becomes humble („demütig“ in German) or submissive and, in doing so, is harming himself. The ego/I is the Self of the human being, and it represents that what he is. The human being needs his self and, therefore, shall not destroy or suppress his ego or „I“. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 381 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi J_rod, "The ability to set aside the demands of the EGO for self-preservation of the 'false-front' (to 'save-face'), is the ability to correct ones thinking, and is to go forward in logical thought process." I think your confusing EGO for illogical thinking in this statement. EGO, as Billy's response to Hectors question, is the 'I'-dentity required each morning you wake up. Without EGO we would be constantly influenced by any nearby controlling forces. Illogic is more accurate a description to what your describing. The inability to not admit mistakes is illogical because progress becomes lessened for the self/spirits evolution. a friend in america Shawn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 258 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Hector, Thank you for sharing the response you received from Billy. Certainly, we do NOT want to suppress the EGO. As Billy also points out: "The human being needs his self and, therefore, shall not destroy or suppress his ego or „I“." However, it is the DEMANDS of the EGO which can become an aberration. The EGO can place a negative bias upon the personality, which presents a blockage to growth and Truth. It is therefore incumbent for progress, to obtain to a neutral-positive balance of the EGO. This is a process whereby the path to Spiritual Evolution is made open. Salome Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU? J_rod7 | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 674 Registered: 06-2000 |
A healthy ego would be one which identifies with self , a necessary factor in having consciousness . A person has to be aware if his choices , influenced by the ego ; are they self serving , or if they serve the greater good , so to speak. MC Mark Campbell | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 654 Registered: 10-2000 |
To all, Hre's a new press release that I just put out today. And the skeptics are already...less than happy with me. http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/08/prweb1174744.htm Michael Horn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 259 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hollo Michael Having just finished reading the story on the PrWeb site, I have to say: Good Work.!!! Any idea as to when Larry King will present the show on Billy? Salome Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU? J_rod7 | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 656 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi J_rod7, I don't think he will. I could be wrong but I think that unless they can control it, have some skeptic on, etc. they don't want to touch it. Once things like Meier's prophecies start getting widespread exposure corporate, governmental, religious, military interests aren't going to be so happy. I still think the best thing is for people to contact the show requesting that the Meier case be covered. I have received copies of some great emails, very considerately and intelligently written and more won't hurt. Michael Horn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 262 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Shawn, Hector, and Mark, **The yearning for certainty burns indelibly in every single human on Earth, especially the certainty of Being and the existence far beyond his terrestrial passing away, which man calls death. This certainty can become true for every single human being once he conquers his own EGO. Truly, it is only the EGO's haze that prevents envisioning the kingdom of true life, spiritualness, beyond the transformation of being and the passing on. That is because the EGO, the "I", places too much emphasis on a person's own welfare until it becomes Egoism with most humans. Doubts and uncertainties hang like dark storm clouds over each individual and, in fact, over all of mankind. Man on Earth is surprised by the thunder and flashes of lightning, brought on by Egoism, materialism, and the remaining degrading things to which he has succumbed, making him their prisoner. To combat them must become a great priority for man.** These thoughts (above) are from "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier Mark, I like the way you have expressed: "A person has to be aware if his choices, influenced by the ego; are they self serving, or if they serve the greater good, so to speak." Once we have learned to 'serve the greater good', we have passed beyond the bounds of Egoism. The Greater Good is to live in a manner of cooperation with all the Beings who are our 'fellow-travellers' through this plane of life. Salome Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU? J_rod7 | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 06-2008 |
am i mistaken or is the FIGU flag at the gift shop $580.00 US dollars ?? | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 02-2008 |
Regarding the "Men in Black": Watch this video first: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ctimRp7VKU4 Then watch this video: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=b44pZIlmRsk What is interesting is that both those completely different videos complement eachother. The description of the UFO and the beings from the kids is the same as what is shown in that second video, and both encounters are both based around kids. Also, watch this video: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=6aYcuGX9ea4 And skip to 7:18 I think this is highly interesting. Reece Stiller | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 332 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Reece, Thanks for the vidi's but I must say from my point of view, this is likely disinformation. Mr Mack seems professional but mechanical almost obsessed. What that purpose is... I don't know. Billy says we have no more problem from the MIB's, nor any ET's that the Plejaren know of... only Earth based influences. The Men In Black (apparently influenced by Gizah intelligences via impulse) were a real problem before 1978 when those that influenced them (Gizah Intelligences) are now living cave-man-like existences for violating (Switzerland) and Plejaren Federation laws or directives and were forcebly removed by the Plejaren. It was an attack on Billy's life where force sonic boom type weapons were used. It was contact Contact 107 that describes Quetzal banishing the Gizeh Intelligences, those that influenced the MIB's (I understand) were sent onto a primative planet in the star system NEBER... Neber neber land... eh eh... These videos appear to be fragmented mechanical disinformation campaigns designed to instil fear and possibly mind control, at least that's the way John Mack appears to me (puppet-like). Maybe he's just trying to sell books I don't know... or his services... It could be they are intended to missdirect our attention from world problems such that are occuring in Georgia and much more important. These videos are not current. Or just interesting to those not aware of the truth. Disinformation is not highly interesting, it is mildly funny maybe, unless of course you are on the wrong side of it... eh eh. Don't get caught up in the hype and fear these covert often militairly influenced groups attempt to instill. Their motives are fuzzy at best. Fear controls people... absolutely... terrorist attacks... are a perfect example of control by fear. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1172 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Reece.... Norm, asked Billy once an interesting question concerning the MIBs...which also cleared up much of the mist. Aside, the MIB's...being Government henchmen...etc.... So, that cleared up the Bender Case, also. See: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/3582.html#POST11893 Edward. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1191 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Billy, I was under the impression all the negative Et’s were gone. So I was shocked to read that Sirian Et’s influenced an assassination attempt on you. What is the Sirian ET's agenda? Answer The threat of the Sirians (the „Black Men“ of ET origin) is a thing of the past, because in 1998 the Plejaren have installed effective counter-measures so they are not able to attack Billy anymore. Hi Billy, One of the first well known uses of the term Men in Black was in the 1962 book Flying Saucers & the Three Men by Albert Bender. In that book, the author describes the Men in Black as "Men dressed in Black with glowing eyes, they changed their form to what they really looked like, a hideous creature". Are these the same Men in Black that were altering your pictures? If not then why do you use this term, as it is thoroughly discredited today & could cause confusion? Answer Yes. However, their eyes are not glowing, but fluorescent. --- There are only a few of them left (a group of old Sirians). The other MiB are "Regierungslümmel" (governmental etc. agents). Hi Billy, In a previous question about the Men in Black you stated that the Men in Black were government agents. But in the book And Still They Fly on page #219 Quetzal states "the three men belong to the secret neo-Nazi group known by the name of the Schwarze Manner (Men in Black)". So far I have found three definitions for your usage of the Men in Black term. Government Agents Secret Neo Nazis Group Old Sirians Are all of these groups working together? If not, Men in Black is too vague of a term. Could you please explain what is going on here? Answer These three groups are operating separately My Website | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 351 Registered: 06-2005 |
Our Planet Earth has been evolving for Billions of years as have we the Humans then came our ancestors who interbred with the primitive earth folks, etc. Animals also were part of Earth's eco system just like the flora and fauna but did our ancestors bring with them any of their house animals or wild beasts? Did all of earth's wild animal kingdom originate here? Curious about our friendly and not so friendly creatures and also because Billy told me that drinking milk has been introduced to humans only less than 8000 years ago. Is there some info. from the German material? | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 400 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Melli. I did read somewhere, i think it was in the Billy-Answers section, that many animal and plant species were brought/imported from Sirius. Correct me if i'm wrong. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 352 Registered: 06-2005 |
In Contact # 88, 1977, Semjase is explaining to Billy the "Fohn-wind" phenomenon. Does anyone have detailed information about it? | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 226 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Bianca This is from Wikipedia: Föhn wind A föhn wind or foehn wind occurs when a deep layer of prevailing wind is forced over a mountain range (Orographic lifting). As the wind moves upslope, it expands and cools, causing water vapor to precipitate out. This dehydrated air then passes over the crest and begins to move downslope. As the wind descends to lower levels on the leeward side of the mountains, the air temperature increases adiabatically as it comes under greater atmospheric pressure creating strong, gusty, warm and dry winds. Föhn winds can raise temperatures by as much as 30°C (54°F) in just a matter of hours. Robjna | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 675 Registered: 06-2000 |
It's also called Santana Wind or southern wind. It can play havoc on emotions , due to the change in atmospheric pressure , humidity and other factors which I am not programmed to recall . yet ! Mark Campbell | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 353 Registered: 06-2005 |
"Programmed to recall" MarK you are kidding, aren't you? it's a bit late at night here so I may be abit hazy this time of night trying to think...? And are there any stories from people who may have experienced this phenomenon? Yes, Semjase is explaining to Billy how this wind affects human emotions, it's rather interesting? I only know about the Full Moon effect!}} | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 678 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Melli ; I will have to check the chip that I was issued with , but it's possible that I was kidding , even now . Come to think of it , i might be under the influence of this phenomena just recently , but I'm certain that it's something else . They don't report it on the weather news , but maybe in California they do . Kind Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1175 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Melli, Robjna and Mark.... Very well explained, Mark. The "Fohn-wind" effect, is also known here...in the country I live in. At school, when the students are not at rest and too active, and somewhat confused, noisy...etc, it is said that the weather winds, are effecting their Human Mechanism and Mobility...etc. And some teachers...take this into account, and some find it rubbish, alas(; mostly teachers with less...insight of Life!). So, I have noticed and experienced the effect...with my own eyes...in the presence of the students, surroundings....etc. Something all schools/ teachers...etc..should take into account, I would say. This manifestes just as well in every human being's, surroundings. [Almost similar to the Moon...having effect on human beings.] Edward. | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 06-2008 |
figu, one of the first interviews i heard of michael horn's on billy 4 years ago mentioned that the plejarans disallowed billy to present the negatives of his photographs of the plejaran ships to the skeptics because in michael's and the plejaran's words there needed to be "some element of doubt". Can anyone give me some background information or elaborate on why the plejarans included this "element of doubt" clause in the mission parameters? If they think that if billy were to present the negatives to the world that it would scare the inhabatants of the earth or would prove his contacts are legitimate, i disagree. | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 06-2008 |
how old is the average plejaren spirit-form ?? help JPM, this should be posted in the spirit-form section, did you do a search?, this has been discussed more than once. Scott | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 10-2007 |
hello: here is a readers question I found in FIGU bulletin nr. 50 on page 11 that I thought I would share and translate for you all. "Leserfrage Die Agartha-Wesen sollen blau sein, schrieben Sie. Gibt es auf der Erde auch noch andere Wesen exotischer Haufarbe, wie rosa, grün, lila etc.? Antwort Von rosa-, grün- oder lilafarbenen Menschen auf der Erde ism mir nichts bekannt. Hingegen sind mir ausser den Blauhäutigen noch andere menschliche Wesen bekannt, die ich in meiner Jugendzeit die Ehre hatte zusammen mit Sfath hier auf der Erde besuchen zu dürfen. Diese sind blasshäutig, wie das auch sehr häufig bei Vegetariern und Veganern zu beobachten ist. Dieses kleine und im Untergrund lebende Volk lebt aber nicht vegetarisch oder veganisch, folglich sie also nicht dadurch blasshäutig sind. Die blauen Agartha-Wesen sind nur leicht bläulich und also nicht etwa tiefblau. Billy" my personal unofficial translation: the Agartha-Beings are supposed to be blue, you write. Has the Earth also given different exotic complexted beings like pink, green, purple etc.? answer from pink, green or purple Humans from the Earth I am not familiar. However it is out of the Bluecolored different humanlike beings that I am familiar with, that in my younger days it was my treasured honor to be allowed to search the Earth here. They/Plejeran are pale complected, and are frequently observed to be Vegetarians and Vegans. These/Agartha small and underground living people lived also not vegetarianisch or veganisch, as a result they are not thereby pale complected. The blue Agartha beings are only light blue and then are not a profound or deep blue. Billy _ my feeling when I read the German was that the reader was asking the question almost describing human beings like different flowers, maybe that is how it really is, a planet provides different color lifeforms. And for those who may not know German is a very polite lanquage and very beautiful. I guess I wanted to share this translation with you because I first heard of short bearded beings who lived undergound when I was 16 and was told about them from a Sioux elder who had said he had seen one and they would only show themselves to you if you truly lived close to the Earth and were a good person then you might be lucky enough to see one. For his way of thinking it was the equivalent of finding a four leaf clover and at the time I wasn't sure if I should beleive him or not, he didn't say they were blue and perhaps he was delusional or perhaps he saw an Agartha so when i read this question I was surprised. I didn't hear about UFO's until I was in my later twenties sometime, and was living with a Navajo (Dine') person from Chinle who was teaching me how to be a silversmith out of turquoise and silver so I could sell jewelry so I could eat, and I don't even want to get into the Hopi, who are decended from the Mayan power structure because it doesn't matter. These are just incomplete legends and I don't want to distract anyone from studying what I feel is the truth, making the transition from beleif to knowledge, during this age of Aquarius, by studying the works of the {Hüter der Schatzes} Billy Meier. For a better understanding of the Age of Aquarius, see for starters Kb one suite 161 on page 83. and for better understanding of how alone we are not it this universe, how in our Milkyway alone there are then counted 40,353,607 human races as indicated on page 10 of the same bulletin. Like Michael Horn said, the ending of the Mayan calander is an example of an hysteria that has become a habit, we the Earth humans, need to break ourselves out of. It's almost as if we like to set a date and see if we can destroy ourselves on time. This is a constant expansion and then retraction that is getting riduculous because instead of just the correctly applied nuetral postive, so we can evolve. Our history has been influenced by meteors and comets as well as wars and other Kriegs, and in these crazy times of ridiculous power hungry people in power trying to start world war three, perhaps my perspective of living as a German indian like I did in my younger days can help you enjoy some simplicity and stillness that you could enjoy my translation and be encouraged to continue your study into the works von Billy Meier and FIGU like I have. hang in there my friends, Corey harmonisches Funktionieren zu lernen | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1520 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Corey, Thank you for sharing your translation. Regards Scott | ||
Kerba New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 09-2008 |
was there ever a motion picture called "contact with the plejarans"? i belive i saw a clip on Michael Horn's documentary. i cant find it on the net thanks | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 02-2008 |
Kerba, here's the documentary: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=6sCz7GFtkYQ Reece Stiller | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 343 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Kerba, One movie under that name is by a group of the first US investigators: Col. Wendelle C. Stevens, Tom Welch, Lee and Brit Elders was made in 1978 and is still good to watch. It is in English and available here: http://shop.figu.org/product_info.php?cPath=49&products_id=342 | ||
Kerba Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 09-2008 |
if got it right. before Michael Horn documentary there was another, much older. and a movie? | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2008 |
There is a book called "Contact from the Pleiades", which was written by Lee J. Elders, and was published by Genesis III Publications in December 1979. There is no documentary with the title "Contact from the Pleiades". However, Lee J. Elders was the lead investigator in a documentary called "Contact", which was published by BGR Entertainment Corporation in 1978. Contact is actually the documentary Michael Horn is referring to in the Silent Revolution of Truth, so I don't know why it says: Original footage from the film "Contact from the Pleiades" courtesy of Genesis III Productions in the parts where such footage is shown, such as the metal samples test. There is either something I don't know, or that is a mistake. So Kerba, the documentary you are looking for is in fact the one I linked you in my post #30, and also the one Rarena was talking about in her post #343. There is also another old Billy Meier documentary which had the same investigators from "Contact" (Lee & Brit Elders, Wendelle Stevens, and Thomas Welch), called "The Billy Meier Chronicles - Beamship Trilogy", which was published by Intercept in 1987. You can watch the first part of the trilogy here. Reece Stiller | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 665 Registered: 10-2000 |
The reason for that credit was because Lee Elders wanted it that way, probably so there'd be no confusion with the more recent filmed called "Contact". Michael Horn | ||
Kerba Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 09-2008 |
i see. thanks ppl. peace | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi, I just want to elaborate on a post that I made a couple of days ago that wasn't posted... I thought that someone I don't know stole a lot of money from me. I then found out that it wasn't stolen from me and I was happy I recovered it. Since I was on such a high from the recovery, I decided to continue it and I gave away most of what I initially thought I lost. There exists a Spiritual Law that rewards you if you do things for the right reason(s). Within about an hour of my giving my gift I received things much greater than the money. I am telling the users of this forum to trust the Spiritual Laws. This one in particular can be very dangerous if you don't know yourself and your sub-conscious intentions. If you are unsure of your sub-conscious intentions yet alone your conscious ones, than, this law most probably will end up in disaster for you. I strongly recommend you do not use it ! If you feel you know enough about yourself to test the immutable law. You most certainly should because it can be extremely rewarding if you don't abuse it... Salome Jpm has dedicated his life to his neutral-positive spirit consciousness... | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1537 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi JPM, This has been stated in the OM, it is better to give than receive, and of course religions have picked up on this principle and used it to extort money out of their followers for the wrong reason. I agree one must be clear on ones intentions when giving. If it is to gain control, reward etc...then it can backfire so to speak. I also think it is up to each person to think before giving, in order to understand what and why they are giving. I think there is something in the Talmud which also mentions you must evaluate a persons intentions if they approach you with a request. Scott | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 306 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Jay, You give a VERY good example in the practice of Altruism. I had discussion with you before, as to Altruism being the KEY in putting the Energy of the EGO to work for you in a neutral-positive direction. Remember, that in Altruism, you do what you do for others without expectation of reward. As you have found out, by your deed, you actually "received things much greater than the money." The greatest reward is in your Spiritual Growth. All other 'rewards' are pale in comparison to the Expansion of Light within your Being. Salome Segnen Sie dieses Haus im Friedens J_rod7 | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 06-2008 |
Scott wrote: I also think it is up to each person to think before giving, in order to understand what and why they are giving. I think there is something in the Talmud which also mentions you must evaluate a persons intentions if they approach you with a request. Scott Jay: You don't think these things, you know them because they are part of the spiritual basics. There is nothing more that can stated regarding this issue other than to reiterate strong advocation of the Talmud. Salome Jpm has dedicated his life to his neutral-positive spirit consciousness... | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 06-2008 |
CIRCULAR LOGIC: what is it? Logic that goes in a circle . Does it Exist, Yes. Is it annoying, Yes. Just wanna let my ppl's on this forum know about most of my experiences because it will force them to think about it. I haven't read any of the contact notes because i am not interested in them. Don't know or care if Billy has said anything about this issue. This is how i am choosing to expose it. Someone tells you: God exists because it says so in the bible. then you ask them how they know and they tell you because i read the bible. then you ask them how do they know the book is true ? they tell you because it's in the bible. that's the commonly seen circular logic on our earth, at least, in it's most common form. Well, Circular Logic is absolutely valid in it's own form. If you have had a spiritual vision than you have blissfully received the circular logic "chip". You will have it forever, It's almost unchangeable. Circular thinking occurs in our holy books as in most of the earth humans mind's. It's only a negative process if it's of an intellectual nature. If it is purely spiritual, than, using it in conversation will bring you much grief and stress which as a rule cannot be avoided by members of the advanced. It happens to me everyday and it annoys me to have to explain myself so I don't bother anymore. I don't push anything spiritual with anybody. If someone tries to steer the conversation in that direction I will completely Obfuscate like Billy Meier. It's for our own protection. Survival is under-rated... Thanks Jpm has dedicated his life to his neutral-positive spirit consciousness... | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1192 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Rod..... Will post here, OK. Concerning: "Miriam Delicado was contacted at an early age by benevolent, tall blond extraterrestrials, apparently singled out specifically for a very special role. [...etc...: sounds very Ashtar Command Non Sense! Ashtar also being BLOND in appearance and Angelic, looking....etc...] What I mentioned: is just plain old LOGIC! Ashtar Command was as well Ashtar Sherhan, and was associated with the Bafath, i.e. The Giza Boys/Intelligence! Ashtar Sherhan(and associates), did not only influence Church leaders and Christian Politicians(through executing Murder(ing) practices, etc), but ALSO...certain Public individuals whom were easy accessible and to influence! And those individuals, unitized the SAME/Similar scenario as Miriam Delicado! Starting of: being visited at a young age by tall blond ETs...etc; which as the Plejarans, through their own investigations led to Ashtar and his associates! [Read Guido's book, this is also mentioned...and other FIGU materials!] Thus, Miriam Delicado...is/was not the only individual who could/may have been Influence by Ashtar(FIGU materials mentions a number of individuals); if this is not the case: than Miriam Delicado is just a Copycat, as the Plejarans have also mentioned can occur. Just someone, wanting to BE someone! Which just like all the New Age Mumbo Jumbo...was nothing more than a - Chain reaction -! Everybody was Copying everybody! All of a sudden: EVERYONE was Gifted! Well, the rest you have to FIGU-out....for yourself! Edward. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 308 Registered: 10-2007 |
Salome Scott, In reference to postings from JPM, "He don' get it". You and I, and others, have attempted to reach out to him. Those things he writes back completely 'miss the point.' Now, worse, is that he has insulted all of our intelligence with this: >> "I haven't read any of the contact notes because i am not interested in them. Don't know or care if Billy has said anything about this issue. This is how i am choosing to expose it." (Jpm)<< JPM violates the 'Peace and Dignity' of this Forum by his Attitude, refusal to Learn, and his ignorance of the Mission. His postings create "a Disturbance in the Force." I, for one, have had Enough of his DRIVEL. I will no longer respond to whatever he posts. Proposed: BAN JPM/Pelegon/Jay from posting in these Forums for a year, until or unless he comes back with a sincere Apology to all here. The kid needs to GROW UP.!!! In Concern for Peace Segnen Sie dieses Haus im Friedens J_rod7 | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 06-2008 |
J_rod7 wrote: The greatest reward is in your Spiritual Growth. Jay: Couldn't agree more. Heh Heh Heh ;) Jpm has dedicated his life to his neutral-positive spirit consciousness... | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 309 Registered: 10-2007 |
Mr Ed For LOGIC to reach proper Conclusion, there MUST be Basis in ALL the available and relevant Facts. There are many Sources of Facts. Facts, of which those from the Teachings are important, but not the ONLY Source. You reach to your Conclusion from a Basis in Biased Thinking. There is no offense intended here, this Opinion is from my Perspective of Observation of all your postings. I would ask you to read again the words from Samjase to Billy, in the Second Contact, lines 26 thru 37 inclusive. She says that there are genuine Contacts, and these are NOT from the Gizah Intelligences, nor Asthar Shesan. Then, you are invited to actually Watch the Interview with Miriam Delicado from the comfort of your own home. No Ticket required, and will Cost you Nothing - Zippo - Nada. Salome Segnen Sie dieses Haus im Friedens J_rod7 | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1195 Registered: 05-2002 |
Rod.... Me BIAS....ha...ha....ha....ha....  Funny man you are! You been here a short while, and now you think you KNOW EVERYTHING! Well, sorry boy: YOU have very much Polishing to do! Of course, I know of the Genuine Contacts: what you take me for! Of course, not all Genuine Contacts are Ashtar or Giza Boys related! You bring some so-called Contactee named Miriam Delicado, into this Forum and want to HEAR WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR, that we or Billy say she is real! And if you do not get your right/wanted answer: WE are the Boogie man! Time to Grow Up, Rodney! If Billy acknowledge her as being real or authentic, he would have done so; and for me: there are just TOO much Clowns out there whom want to be SOMEONE, when they are not! Take it from me: I know this from experience of many NUT CASES, around me...(ben to countless New Age manifestations, here) and the all have the SAME Symptoms, as your Miriam Delicado, and as Billy and the Plejarans described: you are not calling Billy and the Plejarans LAIRS, eh!!?! I have seen her clips: does not convince me, at all; just another someone whom wants to BE...someone, as it is in many cases; surely NOT authentic! So, do not be - Judgmental - yourself, Rodney! What did Jmmanuel say about - Judging Falsely -! Well, I always say: Look in the mirror before you judge some (else)! And this truly...applies to you! Best for you to stick to the Billy Meier Case, and not that New Age Mumbo Jumbo so-called Conatactee as Miriam Delicado, or any other Clown, on this board! This is the FIGU discussion board, and NOT The Rodney or Miriam Delicado, discussion board! We are here, FOR Billy Meier, and not waste time on your (own) favored, Non Sense! So, do not be a KNOW-IT-ALL, and stick to the Meier Material, and NOT...your Favored New Age....Mumbo Jumbo, Rodney! Please, do not make this FIGU Board into a New Age Mumbo Jumbo (and related) discussion board, if you will! Leave your New Age Mumbo Jumbo: AT HOME! These Commandments are just for you: 11. Do not curse the truth. 12. Never, never put Creation's commandments and Creation's laws into unworthy cults. [New Age Mumbo Jumbo, and all related! So do not say: Billy (or I) did not warn you!] I close this discussion...because it is a waste of Time and Energy![And also, because: someone who wants to go around in circles!! Well, let him go in as many circles as he wishes, until he gets dizzy and collapses.....] Edward. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 412 Registered: 04-2006 |
I took my time to google "Miriam Delicado" and watched one of her vids in youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ4Q1jKTNVI I think this woman is either lying or she has a mental illness. There is an excess of non verbal, gestual communication in her speech. She does not transmit inner peace, like Billy does, but much insecurity. If you compare how this woman adresses the viewer, to how FIGU members and Billy adresses the audience, you feel there is a tremendous gap, a tremendous difference. After watching this women tell her story i had the impression i had been watching somebody acting, playing a role. I agree with Edward calling the Miriam Delicado stuff "mumbo-jumbo". It should be considered a very bad joke to confront and compare Billy Meier to this woman as a messenger of truth. Yeah, Rod, there are many ways which lead to evolution and progress. The one presented by Billy is said to be the shortest, and the most valuable one. (I can't prove this, but from my 3 year long research and point of view, nothing comes close to the info given by FIGU). So Rod, my advice is the following: If you give credit to sources of spiritual information like these, then you are not ready to be confronted with the Spirit Teachings imparted to 127 Billion people in hundreds of different planets spread everywhere in the universe, because the spirit teachings clearly instruct everybody to separate "the wheat from the chaff", to be able to differentiate truthbringers from false prophets. For me and Edward, this woman is an impostor, a false prophet. I do not say she is directy lying , but her message is confusing and dangerous. This woman does not speak about hard work, about effort, about evolution, she does not speak about rationality, about logic, about overpopulation. Then, if so....why do people listen to her? Very simple....She tells people what the audience is willing to hear."Music for their ears". Instead, FIGU tells the world not what everybody wants to hear, they tell the truth in a harsh way, in order to grant evolution according to natural & universal (creational) law. What a tremendous difference!!! | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi all, I wasn't sure where to post this question.. does anyone know why michael horns website theyfly.com is currently down?? Salome Tony. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 05-2008 |
Sure Bodhran. The Bafath is back !  They've hacked into Michael's site.  | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1545 Registered: 12-1999 |
Michael is having problems with his ISP | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 258 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hello everyone, Today I was surfing around the net and came across a picture which a person sent to Billy in a letter many years back. The picture consisted of a UFO which she or he photographed at an airport. I never really payed much attention to it but today I just happened to find it and was wondering what that long black streak that runs down the picture is?  | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 04-2008 |
sorry friends I dont know if I put the message in right place? to Jemes(future of mankind) , I wonder if some contact nots (Numbers) are missing in that site? they are not in ordinal manner. Salome Friends | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1203 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dave..... Yes, have seen that one also, years back. Very stunning, I would say. Perhaps, it may be an effect created by the density texture of the image, at the time? With the sense, it would not be seen when viewed with the naked eye; some sort of by-effect of the image's lighting textures? All due to the contrast and bright lighting of the craft? Edward. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 511 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello everyone, I wanted to state an opinion that seems appropriate for the forum. I have noticed that some people here on the forum have certain points of view and they also hold onto those points of view in an almost religious way, whether it be in favor of Eduard Meier's information or in favor of some other view. I will state here in order to be clear, that I happen to strongly lean toward the probability that Mr Meier is being truthful and accurate in what he claims. That being said, I am smart enough to know that I don't know anywhere close to all of the true facts in ANY field. Because of that, I still allow for the possibility that Mr Meier is not telling the truth or is somehow incorrect in other ways. I think the most important thing is that, no matter how strongly we BELIEVE in something, we do not accept that as the truth, nor should we push our views onto others. Even if we do actually know a particular thing to be true, it is not our obligation to shoot down the ideas and thoughts of others. It is one thing to point out a fact to someone in order to help them in some way, and quite another thing to fight and argue with others about who has the correct point of view. It is my opinion that there is a place for discussion and peaceful debate, but no place for elevating ourselves or our views to a status of being above other's opinions and ideas. If there are people here on the forum that want to support Eduard Meier, or any other source of information, it seems that the best form of support would be an open-minded, and free thinking discussion among ourselves while leaving out self-elevation, name calling, and any other sort of "I am better than you" attitude. You are free to agree or to disagree with me, but I ask that you at least consider this before you all continue to post back and forth between each other in a combative way. Just my opinion... | ||
Pathfinder New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hello to everyone, I have just recently become familiar with the Meier story and my interest is growing in leaps. I do not see anywhere in this forum to post introductions, but I believe that the moderators go over every post before placing it anyway, so I hope that if I place my introduction in an inappropriate area that they will be able to move it elsewhere. Hello Pathfinder, I would recommend studying the many topic areas and you may find what your looking for. You can also use the search function if your trying to locate a particular word or phrase. I wouldn't count on the Moderators for moving your post, so please make every attempt to post in the appropriate area. Welcome to the FIGU Forum Regards Scott-Moderator | ||
Pathfinder New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hello to all. My name is Edward lewis and I am from the east coast of Canada. I am 51 years old , married, and father of four sons. I do not want the following to come across as a testimony of faith because I understand that we strive to rid ourselves of the blight that religion has caused on our land. But, in light of the problems that FIGU has had with troublemakers here, I do want to make my identification credible to you all, and this is the only way that I can do that with sincerity. For the past couple of weeks, since I first discovered Billy, I have been doing alot of soul searching, trying to sort out the credibility and worthiness of this whole thing. The following is what I have put down in writing to reach a clarity of mind concerning it all. Now that my mind is settled and I am ready to begin studying the Plejaren teachings, I hope to introduce myself to other members who are on the same path. So here is my introduction, and hopefully, for those who take the time to read it, I may be accepted and trusted. It may also prove to help some newcomers as well who are also trying to sort out their feelings around the whole Pleiadian truth. As a young boy my mother taught me something that would one day be the vehicle by which I would evolve into a higher being. Of course it was not as simple as that. I didn't even realize that until recently. I spent a lifetime suffering from migraine headaches even as a young boy. One day my dear mother, probably feeling my pain tenfold, showed me a technique for relaxing my body. It was successful and I have used it often throughout the years. I don't know where she learned it but I now suspect that it was likely a form of meditation she learned as a young Catholic nun while in the nunnery, before she left there to marry my father. Regardless, the technique works for me, although I never thought of it as meditation until now. Meditation had not been something I had ever considered before, even though this relaxation technique was probably used for exactly that by nuns around the world. My mother never talked about her days there. While my father lay dying in the hospital with terminal cancer, I laid in my bed one evening and used this technique to unwind. What happened that night was totally unexpected. Of course, I had heard of out of body experiences before, but I would never have associated them with this relaxing thing I did. Actually, anything like that would have been the last thing on my mind while trying to relax. Yet, despite my naievite, it happened. I lay there going through the steps as I was taught them, until my whole body felt paralyzed from head to toe. Completely relaxed. This was the usual routine. In this deep state, near sleep, I would normally fall into sleep after a few minutes. But this night I suddenly became aware of something I had never experienced before in all of my life thus far, some thirty years at the time. I became acutely aware that, even though my body was almost paralyzed, I was still in full control of it. I had willed it into that state, and now I was aware that I was quite awake in a sleeping body. All I had to do was think a command, and if I wanted, if I willed it, I could move any one particular digit on my body. Very precisely and exact, I could manipulate ever so slightly a finger or toe. Somehow my mind, by just a thought from within, could reach out to a small and insignificant part of my body as far away from my brain as a toe, and cause it to wiggle on command. But I did not want to disturb this moment by moving anything. I realized something special was taking place and focused on it intently. I suddenly realized that I was not just my physical body, but that I was 'in' my body, as much as a part of it. I felt as though I were inside. For the first time in my life I knew what I was, not just an outer shell, but a spirit within that shell, and I was in control. There was definitely a difference between my spirit and the body it was using to traverse this material plane. There was no hovering around the room, or looking down at myself laying below. There was simply an acute realization that my spirit was not my body, and was not attached to the physical or material. I pictured myself laying in a field of clover and gazing into the sky, enjoying the breeze and creation. Then a light raindrop fell onto my body and I felt as though I were in a tent listening to the rain tap on the outside of the canvas, my body being a covering protecting me from the elements. I realize that without the drama of the out of body experience of floating around the room that this experience may seem a little dull to some. But to me it was the most enlightening and revealing few minutes of my entire life. I instantly became in awe of the creation around me. From that moment on I have been searching for the truth of the creation and spirit to which I was introduced that day. Of course, being a catholic meant turning to the church for answers. But never one for following blindly, answers to the sort of questions I put forth were not forthcoming from the church. I turned to protestantism to find out why Catholicism seemed so vague, only to find that they had no more credibility than their opposition. What a vicious cat and mouse game that is! After years of study which went nowhere, I decided to look for the creator in ancient history, supposing that the closer I could get culturally to primitive religion, the more possible it might be to find a meaningful, rational description of the origin of creation and the creator. I discovered that the Sumerians seemed to be one of the earliest cultures offering any sort of recorded form of their beliefs. And coincidentally, what they had recorded thousands of years before Christianity had many similarities and parallels to the stories in the Bible, especially regarding genesis. The Sumerians, then the Babylonians after them,the Egyptians, the Hebrews and the Greeks, all seem to have adopted a religious sytem rooted in legends going far into pre-Sumerian times. The only difference is in the names they use and how they related to their gods or god. The stories are all too similar in theme, event and place to be overlooked as coincidental. There is certainly something very strangely connecting about all of man's various religious cultures; far too connected by my thinking. In Sumerian, as well as Egyptian,South American, African and North American ancient religions there is a constant reference to space travelling gods and the stars. This is not a coincidence, but a connecting factor that cannot be cast aside. In some cases there are replicas of the solar system and star charts carved into stone thousands of years before Galileo and astrology, along with pictures of men wearing spacesuit-looking garments and floating or flying around in saucer shaped vehicles. Now this is not manufactured evidence, but detailed carvings corrolating with the writing of those times, depicting and telling of gods who were able to fly into space. And to add to this there is a multitude of evidence revealing that not only advanced technology and civilization, but also advanced intelligence and knowledge, appeared instantly into the particular areas of these cultures from out of nowhere. No signs of periodic development or even sporadic evolution, but just a sudden advancement of technolgy that cannot be explained. Scholars who have studied this phenomenon are being convinced by their findings that these ancient cultures were being suddenly visited and imposed on by advanced people with knowledge that did not exist on this planet at those times. Where did these intelligences come from? The legends and myths all relate unmistakably to visitors from space. So if we look to ancient civilization and its worship of a creator, we find it pointing not just to the heavens, but to intelligent beings from the heavens. So how has this gotten me closer to my goal of finding the true creator? There still seems to be no sign of one creator revealing itself to man, and proving itself so the world can know what it is. Which should be very easy for an omnipotent being to do. What we do have is thousands of years of legends which seem to coincide with extraterrestrial encounters that primitives confuse, and relate to, as gods. I know that creation is more than likely going to be as unfathomable to my intellect as would be a creator god of eternal existence. So while considering this, and what evidence I am able to track down through historical means, I must keep an open mind to the possibilities, reminding myself continually, that when considering an eternal creation, that even the most fantastic of possibilities is no more or less fantastic than the religious teaching already professed over millenia now. Therefore, when we find the Sumerians and Egyptians talking about extraterrestrials, we must consider the possibilities just as we exist in this universe ourselves. If we can exist here on earth as part of the creation, than it's not absurd to expect that others from elsewhere could exist as well. It would be absurd to suggest the opposite. So is there anything today, in the multitude of ET encounters we hear about all the time, that manages to hold any credibility and at the same time allude to the creation or god in some way? Have all the UFO claims been proven hoaxes? Is there anything out there that ties the ancient legends with the present concerning the extraterrestrial ? Most UFO encounters claim either sightings of crafts or actual abductions, but most are easily proven as hoaxes. But there is one claim which has withstood the tests, and has been thoroughly ripped apart time after time, without the success of proving it a hoax. And it also ties in with creation and spirituality, which means it at least deserves some serious personal scrutiny. I'm sure there are alot of cases that claim the aliens have spoken to them after an encounter and the only way to judge them is by the content of what they claim, and any material evidence. One such claim concerns a man who says he has been visited by specific aliens all of his life. But these are not just chance abduction encounters. His first visit came as a young boy whereupon he was told that he was chosen to be taught knowledge which would, at the right time, be passed on to mankind. And this teaching continued into manhood, where in the mid seventies, he was contacted and finally told to relay the information in a particular way. Now why should we consider this as a credible source of contact with evidence of a creator and of creation? Isn't it just taking his word, just the same as we did Moses and Jesus? The question always remains the same for those who seek the truth of creation, as well as those who don't care at all: "Why should we believe?" For the spiritual minded the answer is simple. We seek that which we believe to be out there somewhere. For the atheist it is more impersonal, and a matter of selfishness; to the atheist life is all about survival of the fittest and self gratification. To the spirit though, life is much more grand and complex, and the communion of mankind is paramount. So the spiritual believe because we see it as our responsibility to the creator, to show gratitude for that which we have, including our friends and families. To believe is to take that step away from self centeredness, and to follow a path of appreciation instead of greed. Religion, however, has become a path of contempt and greed, which does not seem to lead to answers, but to confusion. And at its roots, ancient religion points toward extraterrestrials which, when considering available evidence regarding this, we find Billy Meier and his experiences. And of all the claims concerning extraterrestrial life his seem to have an insurmountable degree of credibility and following. Therefore a study of what can be found there is no more or less meaningful or futile than a study of biblical perspective. Maybe it will be much more. For me, it is the next logical step. There is no other way to turn. The more I think about creation and the vastness of the universe, the simpler things become. It is only in the darkness of deceit that things become confusing. Religion only left many questions unanswered, and left me disconnected from truth. It caused me to fear the unknown, as some sort of great judgement. Could any fear of aliens be any more horrible than an eternity in hell? So when I consider what could possibly be true, alien encounter is no more unbelievable than angels and hell. If we can exist here on earth than why can't there be other forms of life out there somewhere? And as probable as that is, given our own existence in this vast universe, why would we think that they wouldn't be more advanced than we are? As a matter of fact, given our history of sheer idiocy, the odds are great that 'most' life out there is likely far more advanced. We are travelling in spaceships! Not far, but we do have our vehicles out there in space. Some unmanned satellites have travelled far out into the solar system. So why is it that we should think that we alone have a monoploly on space travel. Of course there are others out there travelling through space. It is far more ludicrous to suggest there aren't. Self proclaimed intelligent humans suggest there aren't by asking why ETs have not yet been proven to exist. They say they would have made themselves known by now. They say there should be physical evidence. Well, that's like saying that a blind and deaf invalid who has never left his home or had anyone in, must be the only person alive in the neighborhood. The real question is actually why would any ET want to come and visit us in the first place. Think about it! If you somehow made yourself a spaceship and could suddenly travel to another world, and you came near one where you witnessed its inhabitants killing each other on every part of that planet,and saw its inhabitants dying by the millions from disease and hunger while the wealthy population stood by passively, would you want to go there to visit? I wouldn't even want to visit my next door neigbor down the street if they were fighting with each other everytime I went there, let alone if they were diseased. There is something about 'instinctively knowing right from wrong' that comes into play here. Morality! There is something about the heartfelt emotions that well within us which bonds all intelligent life of conscience. Conscience! This is what separates us from the animals and it comes from 'within', where our feelings and emotions collide. Is it too much to think that other beings can also be so inclined? If so, then why wouldn't ETs who have evolved much longer than humans also have a higher state of spiritual conscience, or consciousness? It seems to be that the spiritual seems to hold the truth together no matter what the philosophy. It always boils down to owning that little voice in our heads which we never seem to understand. Personal opinion and misunderstanding does not alter truth. And the truth is there. Creation is a fact, and though we may not be able to discern the truth of it, we are able to recognize and acknowlege certain spiritual instincts that are borne within, and unavoidable. Morality is not based in civil laws, it is based in spiritual truth. And it is exactly 'this one truth' that we cannot deny, and are unavoidably aware of, that seems to be the 'connection' between, what is 'out there', and what is 'known here'. There is a reason why we do not have evidential facts of ET existence, and it has to do with spiritual development. If humans can be spiritually disgusted by the immoral, and shun it instinctively, then morality, being a 'spiritual truth', should also be a 'universal aspect', meaning that ETs would also be spiritually inclined to evade immorality. Even to be disgusted by it so as to shun from it as well. The spiritual universal truth of instinctively knowing and feeling the wrong in brutally killing an innocent being is part of a natural method of creation preserving itself. It is purely logic that should all life forms dispose of their reproductions, life would not continue to exist in the physical realm. So the mysterious force of creation, whatever or whoever that may be, has natural laws of an instinctive aspect which bind all life within creation. And opposition to these natural laws of creation is what creation itself abhors. And humans, ETs and any life intelligent enough to understand this, being a part of creation, would abhor anything opposing the natural laws of creation. Hense we see our bond to those who may be watching from afar and abhorred by mankinds' primitive state of brutality and ignorance. Love must be universal, and therefore heartache also. What do they know about creation and a creator that we might learn from them if we could gain their interest instead of their disgust? What do they know of the spiritual aspect of creation which connects us all to the natural laws? Where can they take us? What can they show us? And in our present state of evolution and corruption, why would they want to? Could we possibly have anything to offer them? In searching for spiritual truth I have come to this crossroad between the immoral state of humanity, and the possible universality of natural moral law. Since any being which may be a creator does not reveal itself to me as a being, I can only relate to it through what has been created and placed before me. I can only be responsible to respond to those spiritual inclinations within me that unite me with the creation in which I exist, and strive to become more familiar with my spiritual reality, so as not to live solely according to the physical just because that is easier to ascertain. Growing to be more that what we are does not mean striving to 'have' more. It means evolving in our understanding of creation and where we fit into it. And by letting the natural instincts of a universal morality based on the laws of creation guide us so that we do not become abhorrent creatures shunned by the rest of creation. Growing means to evolve from primitive brutes caring only to survive in the physical, to instead become intelligent, improved beings enlightened by their spiritual unity with creation. That must be our evolution. That must be the goal of one who wishes to grow and prosper. The material things are fleeting and always passing away, but the creation continues on and on. How we flow with it determines our future state of being. And, so it is, that from the teachings of a young mother out of compassion for her child, that I learn, as a man, to apply that technique to compliment the teachings of extraterrestrial life, who seem to be in tune with everything that I have just espoused here. Have more evolved beings come here to assist us in our own evolution? If so, then what they have to teach us about life and creation is exactly what I seek in my own quest for truth. Can I trust what they tell me? As with all teaching, we must judge it on its own merit and credibility, and more importantly, how it equates with that spiritually universal morality we acknowlege as creation's laws of existence. Through Billy Meier we have an opportunity to consider what might be evolved teaching from an unearthly source. They have obviously seen and experienced far more than we can imagine. So, given their offer, and the way that it corrolates with creation and seems in tune with the laws of creation, we would be poor indeed if we did not take advantage of this opportunity. Over time their teaching will expose its merits, and that in itself, regardless of the end result, is growth through experience. Although I have given years of study to biblical teaching, only to discover its faults and deceits, it still taught me a great deal, and I have grown spiritually as a result. My journey continues now, with the knowledge I have gained through that experience, to begin weighing what I believe may be my most motivating, exciting and advancing study of possible extraterrestrial teaching. One night, a few years after that first spiritual awakening I wrote about earlier, I once again fell into a meditative trance and enjoyed an experience that I am not sure I can do justice to with words. I became aware of a 'union', a connection with many hundreds of others, maybe thousands, who were also in the same 'state' as myself, and we were all offering praise to the creator (creation) in a way that I had never before experienced. The only way that I can explain it is to say that our voices were altogether being carried into the atmosphere like musical notes rising into space from places all across the planet. The air was filled with these 'notes', and there was a sense of communion with like-minded individuals, all with one purpose, and accomplishing something that had been ongoing through the ages, but unbeknownst to the rest of the world. It was the most satisfying expreience I have ever felt, and unfortunately, the burden of my life has not allowed me to reenter that realm again. Maybe I can once again find out if that experience is somehow connected with these new findings I am discovering here. Hope is all I have now! What I have been able to discern from trying to sort out this new Pleaidian interest is that, in placing things into an order of thought, I have come full circle. As though it just all seems to fit perfectly into place. The following is a breakdown of what I have gone through to reach my present level of thinking: Meditation Realization of spirit Search fro truth Cautious of deceit Steadfast study Realizing despair of religion Discovering ancient legends Introduction to ETs Understanding morality Morality linked to spirit Spirit linked to creation Plejarens teach spiirt and creation Realize evolution of spirit Meditate to grow spiritually I have gone from meditation to meditation - from spirit to evolved spirit - this cannot be a coincidence! Sincerely, Edward Lewis | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1202 Registered: 02-2000 |
Anyone that wants should post their story should post in the How you found out about Billy Meier section. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/1339.html?1218824020 My Website | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 349 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello Edward Lewis Pathfinder, Your Story is very Poignant, and very Uplifting at the same. You have made one of the most Beautiful Expressions...: "Love must be universal, and therefore heartache also." Quite a Profound Thought, Sentiments which must be shared among all who observe our little Planet as they come into our Space. You are indeed Welcome to these Forums. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1213 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Edward(Sting).... See you found your way here....finally. Interesting summary, you posted there. We had made acquaintance already, at the PAR(Pl'sRReal site). Pleasant Studying.... Edward. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 433 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Edward Lewis, Your light years ahead of the sleeping herd we can loudly trounce about without disturbing. Your path through a religion and the truths you sifted from it, give you an opportunity to enter into Billy's materials without the difficult predisposition religiously imparred people suffer when a new celestial source of knowledge is contemplated. The search engine will be your best friend for answering your first questions. I say your thoughts are clearly part of the path this forum travels along. With the wish for your greater learning and sharing, welcome! a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hi Jrod, I think of creation as a recipe for existence, where as the result of the making of that recipe is dependent on its ingredients. And love is certainly one of those ingredients. It is one of those ingredients like pepper or cinnamon. It can taint the whole deal and seems to overwhelm at times but it is there in aspect. Love is a part of just about everything that is done and accomplished. It is an integral part of the recipe and so engrained into that it simply cannot be separated out. But the side effect of love is heartache. as long as there is death and the loss of those we love there will be heartache. we have no control over it. we cannot decide who we love, and we cannot stop the heartache from happening. No, I am not a cook. My wife will tell you that in a big hurry. I'm just trying to put into words how I feel about what the Pleiadians seem to be teaching about the laws of creation. I may be shown wrong in time as I learn myself, but what I am hearing thus far seems to resonate smoothly with what I have felt for many years. However my terminology may be wrong or even inappropriate, I am quite sure that the laws of creation have an instinctive nature about them, some of them anyway, and love would be among those. We love instinctively and if this is an ingredient of creations mind, the universal mind as shannon has so eloquently put it, than love has to be universal, which means that all intelligent life able to commune with creation at spirit level would experience love. That truth gives me great hope for our creation. a hope which was slowly being drained from my life by the religious hypocrisy I was experiencing. Be cause of my love for creation, I experienced the heartache of religions destruction of creation's truth, and being a universal truth, I have no doubt that this same heartache is felt by our extraterrestrial friends in depths much greater than what we experience given their higher state of spirituality. My heart goes out to them in both compassion and gratitude. Edward lewis Don't just follow the laws of creation, feel them! | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 431 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Edward Lewis it's not coincidence or good luck what brought you here. It was hard work, perseverance, years of study, insight, self-education and discipline. Great values which use to bring benefits to whom practices them. You reap what you sow, and now you will begin to sow what you have been reaping for so long. From what i can interpret from your postings, you have done a great job pushing your spirit and your knowledge forward. It will be quite easy for you to dive into the renewed teachings of the spirit, the renewed teachings of the prophet of the aquarian era. It impresses me to see that you can clearly distinguish and discern the concept "God" from the concept "Creation or Universal consciousness". It's a mayor indicator that you've left religious enslavement behind. I assure you you will feel at home here among these forum users and among these balsamic teachings. Be warmly welcomed. | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2008 |
Thanks Edward , for your clear, defined thoughts , and welcome . Kind Regards , MC | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hi Hector, The strange thing is that this all seems so obvious and easily attainable. I cannot help but wish that I had stumbled across this many years ago. How different my life may have been. Don't just follow the laws of creation, feel them! | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 679 Registered: 10-2000 |
Regarding the coming global censorship attempts: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24568137-2862,00.html Michael Horn | ||
Baselineplayer Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 09-2007 |
Michael, It looks like a more sinister and reactionary world in my view concerning censorship. A censorship is in my eyes a step backwards. It is just to find the web filters and bypass them or neutralise them. Med Bästa Hälsningar / Mit Besten Grüssen / With Best Regards /Baselineplayer | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 04-2007 |
michael, im aware of that. i have no idea on what the outcome will be but if it IS censored....literally, comment deleted WILL hit the fan They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Metatronmatrix New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2008 |
oh no this cant be good, the one thing that unites the most people is under attack? i understand abolishing child pornography and all the terrible things but i cant believe how china totally got away with sweeping the tibet issue under the carpet, during the olympics no less. im furious, what can we do? they will be able to pick and choose what we can and cannot see? i think we all own a tv and how mutch useful information do you get there, its like there steering us where they want us to look, this is going to make things alot harder if we cant get along. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 05-2008 |
Michael, whats the difference between global censorship & site moderated censorship, besides scale? It has been said that nuclear weapons are the inevitable conclusion to the first weapons used by the caveman; a rock or bone of an animal, used to control his neighbor. Isn't global censorship inevitable as long as we have site censorship; and beyond that any sense of what is right or wrong within the individual? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1576 Registered: 12-1999 |
Please move this discussion to Planet Earth/Current earth events. | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 257 Registered: 06-2006 |
Pathfinder wrote: As for EM's nickname. I am going to refuse to use it as I have been told that it was not selected by him personally but given to him by people that wanted to describe him by his cowboy like way of dressing. i would have thought Indiana Jones more applicable but maybe that was before that movie. regardless, from what I understand the Plejarens had asked that the name Billy not be used by us because they frowned on the comparison to Billy the kid, an outlaw and killer, but because the name was already so commonly used people could just not drop it so easily and the name stuck despite their concern. It was not EM's choice to have that name and I am sure if it had been up to him he would also have wanted to honor the advice of the Plejarens. Ed, if the name "Billy" is good enough for Billy to use, then it is good enough for me to use and appropriate to use. The name "Billy" can be found on the covers and spines of every book he has written. Everything he writes, he signs "Billy". There is even a parchment evidence of which was sent to Billy, and the writing on this fragment lists names of the prophets and the 7th prophet mentioned was Bjllj. You can read a discussion about this on this forum -- and see it -- at the following link http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/2626.html#POST6091 Robjna | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hello Edward Pathfinder ; About Billy's nickname , Billy . When I met him the first time in 2000 , he corrected a friend of mine who called him 'Herr Meier' , with " Billy" . He actually prefers it . The Plejarens are always telling him things throughout his incarnations , you know , 'don't go getting crucified' , and things like that . But , he has a will of his own , just as nature intended . As far as what the name makes the Plejaren think of when they hear it , we have many Billys in our lives , more than they do on their world . A previous drummer who I worked with , for example . Billy the kid or Billy Burnette the rockabilly singer don't always come to mind . Billy Idol , now that's a little too much there , if you ask me . BEAM , as you might call him ( Billy Eduard Albert Meier ) is a straight shot with a pistol , which he mastered ,I guess, when he was in the French Foreign Legion , which he escaped from . The Plejaren's estimaton on the imagery of the name seems to me a little mechanical in this case . Actually , the name 'Billy' brings to my mind , BEAM himself , firstly. Just a little insight to a sensitive issue that really doesn't exist , in my opinion . Other things that I don't quite get : Arahat Athersata doesn't like the taste of avocados . They say it's only fit for pigs .How about guacamole ? I'll have a side order to my enchiladas of that please , for my pig , of course . Take care , MC In response to : ""I would love to see a little humor here and there myself, but I find that I always get into trouble using it where people take it the wrong way on these boards. Intent does not always come out in the typing. As for EM's nickname. I am going to refuse to use it as I have been told that it was not selected by him personally but given to him by people that wanted to describe him by his cowboy like way of dressing. i would have thought Indiana Jones more applicable but maybe that was before that movie. regardless, from what I understand the Plejarens had asked that the name Billy not be used by us because they frowned on the comparison to Billy the kid, an outlaw and killer, but because the name was already so commonly used people could just not drop it so easily and the name stuck despite their concern. It was not EM's choice to have that name and I am sure if it had been up to him he would also have wanted to honor the advice of the Plejarens. What are your thoughts?"" | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2008 |
to the Moderators, I do not know if this is an automatic adjustment or not, but my introduction was moved to the archives on the same day it was posted which sort of defeats the purpose of introducing myself to everyone. it was suggested that i post it under another category, but i don't want to be accused of double posting. Might I repost this in a more appropriate place where it can be viwed for a few days longer. I have really only managed to meet two or three members as a result. here is the post belowso you do not have to look for it. I know that you look at these before posting so you can do what you think is fair yourself. Thank you for your attention. Hi Pathfinder, All posts are archived automatically. There is a section in the Mission Topic Category/Billy Eduard Albert Meier which is entitled "How you found out about Billy Meier" which may have been more appropriate for your introduction. Scott BTW I deleted your intro in this post, because it was very long and your original is still available for viewing Don't just follow the laws of creation, feel them! | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 10-2008 |
by the way would you please let me know where you do place it should you agree to do so! thank you once more. Don't just follow the laws of creation, feel them! | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 10-2008 |
Got your note Scott, thanks, I will post it in that section. to Mark and Rob, So thats where the BEAM comes from, duh, i kept seeing that here and there and didnt even think about it. If Eduard uses the name himself, thenof course it is okay with me. as I said, i was under the impression from what I read about the Plejarens not wanting him to use it that he wouldnt have had he a chaoice. Of course as you said we do all have our own free will and if he likes it I like it. I will read that page link you showed Rob. Don't just follow the laws of creation, feel them! | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 10-2008 |
hey Mark have to agree with you on the billy idol thing, hahhaha Although my hair is darned near as white as his now! Don't just follow the laws of creation, feel them! | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 10-2008 |
to Kingman, thanks for pointing out the search engine option. I know what you mean about the sleeping herd. I don't want to sound as though I am blowing my own horn, because I certainly have my share of faults and stupid decisions, but just wanted to say this; i drive a city transit bus for a living, and one of the first things that stood out on my first day on the job, was the fact that there were so many (how can i put this delicately), 'ignorantly slow' people out there. One doesn't realize until he has to deal with the public face to face. Its no wonder the world is in the shape its in. You just wouldnt beleive the things I hear seemingly intelligent people saying to each other the bus. And then theres the whole ' why do the civil engineers make so many foolish decisions'? dilemma. Mein Gott! Can I say that in here? hahaha Don't just follow the laws of creation, feel them! | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 351 Registered: 03-2007 |
Actually, Eduard Meier's nickname of 'Billy' is not from Billy the Kid, per se. The full story is that Eduard had a penchent for western heroes, such as 'Wild' Bill Hickok, a pistoleer and peace officer, and 'Buffalo' Bill Cody. Regards Bob | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 355 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello Pathfinder, Ah, yes, the 'sleeping herd'. Among other expressions, one I like most, is: The Sheeple. The Concern is: HOW do We help such as These to Awaken out of Ignorance.?! Well, IMO, it's through sharing in a 'One-on-One' face-to-face exchange of Ideas and Truth. If someone is truly ready, the minds of those yet 'ignorant' may be opened. But, in the final analysis, That One must do their Own 'Soul-Searching' to arrive to Truth. It isn't possible to Force-feed, nor to even 'Spoon-feed', anyone. Faults? Stupid decisions? You are certainly not alone in This, my Friend. I will admit, I've had my Share of wrong-turns, Regrets, Slip of the Tongue, and Faults hanging out, that sense of 'being out-of-phase.' When We fall, We just get back up. Strength is gained when We admit when We are wrong, and then to CORRECT the Error. Make right the Injustice. Make Amends. Go forward, once again on the Path, which brings Us to Growth, Maturity, and Wisdom. This is HOW We Teach 'Them', and how We Reach 'Them', = by the Example of HOW We each conduct Our Own Lives. Well, I ain't no Preacher, just thought I'd Share a few Thoughts here with You.  In Peace, that which 'Passes all Understanding.' Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 03-2003 |
I have been thinking lately what I would do, if I was a secret agent, and if I had been assigned the task to trash Meier Material on the Internet. After surfing around bit. Checking out what’s happening on the different sites. Here is what I would do, and what I think is being implemented. 1. Obtain complete list over all boards and sites on the internet where people meet to discuss UFO and spiritual related issues. 2. Core strategy would be misinformation 3. Each board would require individual template tailor made to suit the profile of the board, thus creating maximum damage. I would start as follows: A). Monitor the board to see who the popular person is. This would be the person on the board who people listen to. Normally a person who has earned the boards trust and have the information the board members are looking for. B). This would be the profile template I would model mine after. C). Once the popular person has been established, I would examine his email trail in detail. Look for writing style, soak up Information he/she has been giving out and key points in his message. Look for his strength and weakness. Look for flashpoints. Meaning unresolved issues that has caused dispute in the past and can again be brought up to create mayhem.. D). In my insurgent strategy I would go for a ratio of 75/25. Meaning 75 percent facts and 25 percent bullshit.. This would confuse people and make them unsecure how genuine the material is. E). I would create a friend on my 2nd ISP provider. He would back me up when I got in trouble on the board. I would route all the nasty stuff thru my friend, because if he was to become deleted, it’s easy to create a new one on my 3rd. Here is an example of what I mean . Real identity of author unknown: But what can be said here is that the writing style has been suited and tailor made for the board it’s ment to go on. What can furthermore be gleaned from this example is that the writer has a sharp eye for details and is well read up on the material he has been working on. I am just posting the last paragraph of the article which shows how Genuine Meier material has trashed in the mud by mixing it with material which appears to be from David Icke Here is the article. Originally first posted on one site on the internet. Then later picked up and reposted on hyperspace café: Quote <snip> These red-haired people were actually a combination between the very pure human race, the original Hebrews, who predominantly had red hair and green eyes, and the Sumerian Draco. King Solomon was one of this bloodline. However, Jmmanuel (Jesus) one of his alleged descendents, had a very small percentage of Draco genetics, and overall was very different from other Earth-humans due to his specific creation by Pleiadeians. Some of the Pleiadeians involved in Jmmanuel's life were actually from the planet Erra in the Taygeta system. These are the same beings currently in contact with Billie Meier. Although many have called Meier a fraud, it would appear that such a claim is very baseless, given that he has made scientific predictions which proved true 20 years after he made them, and also possesses metallurgical samples given to him by the Errans. Historically, these beings were widely reported to exist. In fact, in the Book of Enoch, an ancient text regarded as sacred by Hebrew Kabbalists, many Pleiadeian names appear as the names of the "Watchers", including Semjase. " unquote Regards Kaare | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 10-2008 |
Geeez, I hope no bad guys read this post Kaare, there is too much there for them to learn! Do you always test the mousetrap by sticking your finger into it first? lol This was likley a poor attempt at humor wasn't it? Don't just follow the laws of creation, feel them! | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 10-2008 |
Jrod, example is certainly important to our success as messagebringers. What is that word/ Harbingers? And yet, I beg to ask the question: " What do those to whom we bring the message want us to look like?" Sometimes what we think is a good example does not look the same way from their point of view. You know the old sheep in wolfs clothing adage. many are wary of being deceived and no matter what the example will still turn away in mistrust. how do we reach them? We need to be able to reach even those who do not want to be reached, because many of those are deserving even though they may not know it. Setting an example may not be enough to accomplish the entire goal. It is certainly a good stance, but I think to really attain effectiveness, we may need to be a little devious as well. Am I wrong in this? What would the Plejaren say? Don't just follow the laws of creation, feel them! | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 357 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello Pathfinder, In response to Your concern: "Setting an example may not be enough to accomplish the entire goal." This is from a part of the FIGU Mission Statement...: "Our mission in FIGU focuses on the worldwide dissemination of the truth and teachings of the spirit (spiritual teachings). Our task is to facilitate the emergence of the Truth in every way. "The fight for truth is a fight against lies, untruths and false teachings, and the battle must be fought with all conceivable means of information and instruction. FIGU provides information on all facets of truth, yet concedes each individual the right to his/her own opinion. "Neither as proselytizers nor as gatherers of "followers and believers", we of FIGU function exclusively within a framework of information, instruction and consultation. Simultaneously, of course, we work along the lines of exposure and explanations of the truth and its delivery, be that of a secular, natural, Creative, spiritual or of a conscious nature." This information, along with much more, may be found at...: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU#TO_INFORM_BUT_NOT_PROSELYTIZE So then, for the Mission Objectives, there is a lot more going on than setting an Example. However, where You then state: "...we may need to be a little devious...", I have to disagree. "The fight for truth is a fight against lies, untruths and false teachings...", One cannot teach Truth from a 'devious' stance. As I stated in my prior Post: "...through sharing in a 'One-on-One' face-to-face exchange of Ideas and Truth." This is an approach that is more active than the Example of our own Lives, but the Example will often lead Others to Inquiry. We DO want to share the Message of Creation, Spiritual Truth, Logical Thinking, All that the Plejarens have brought to Us, and All that Billy has revealed. This may only be done with consideration for "each individuals right to his/her own opinion." ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ There is an Important Article from http://www.theyfly.com/ that I ask You to please read. This from a Lecture entitled: ON SPREADING THE TEACHING OF THE SPIRIT. I'm not going to copy/quote any of this here, as it needs to be read in Full Context. Please Click on this Link...: http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash94/Lecture_for_GA_for_MH.pdf ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ Here is an idea for You: You could possibly start a Local Discussion Group where You live. Obtain material from the 'TheyFly' list of Books and DVDs. A GOOD one to show is The Silent Revolution of Truth. This DVD will promote some good Discussions. Also, may I recommend for You, the Book And Still They Fly by Guido Moosbrugger. This Book will be an easy read for You, with Your already High level of Understanding, and is very Comprehensive. If I may, I also Recommended the Site of FIGU Society USA at: http://us.figu.org/portal/Default.aspx I purchased every Booklet from the Online Store at once, got them all for one low shipping cost. The total for all the Booklets and Pamphlets is US $44 (Forty Four). You might consider getting Several copies of Our Manifesto, at $1 (One) each, to pass around to your Friends. Do Enjoy the Experience of a Brand New Day. Salome Rod *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 10-2008 |
hI jROD, i do not know if English is your native tongue or not, si please dont take my asking as an insult as there are many nationalities in here from what I can tell. the reason i ask is that you seem to have mistaken devious as deceitful. of course I would never promote anything in the form of lies or misinformation. What I meant by devious was more toward methods of attracting attention to the truth we wish to pass on. I really didnt think enough of exactly what that might entail at the time I wrote that, but it was meant subconsciusly that in order to get the message out there for instance, using a little ingenuity in coming up with the title might be a devious way to lure readers that might otherwise not buy the book. we were speaking of what we might look like to those who we bring the message to, and I sort of got a picture of monks robe wearing types trying to scream out a message in the joh the baptist style prophesying. This would instantly turn away many who will not then hear the message, when had the harbinger been wearing a three piece suit he might have had a chance to at least get their attention. as i said i would never promote lies, after all that is where we get religion from isn't it. Thanks for your concern though Jrod. To the death with my Being! | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 358 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hi Pathfinder, I had not intended to fall into a discussion of Semantics here. But I find 'Devious' defined as: 1/ Underhanded 2/ Shifty 3/ Not Straightforward 4/ Not Honest 5/ Erring 6/ Tricky So then, 'Devious' is quite close to 'Deceit' in Meaning. Be that as it may, I do appreciate where You're going in Your Thinking. I think The Public Name of FIGU would be better if changed...: Spiritual Wisdom for All Humanity would be more Appropriate, IMO. Or, how about...: Truth of Creation for An Awakened Humanity I agree that there is an great NEED to make the Message from the Pleiades (the Plejarens and Billy) much more ACCESSIBLE to the WHOLE of the Human Beings on Earth, in Every Language. The Members of the Forum should be Concerned in this respect, to promote the Teachings of Truth to the Rest of Humanity. Salome Rod *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 10-2008 |
rod, problem was obviously my incorrect usage of the word devious. Sorry bout that. I dont always go to the dictionary to check definitions for accuracy and sometimes we get caught discovering that how we have used words all along may not be quite accurate. In the end though we do agree that just waltzing into a room and preaching the truth we now know, may not be the best way of bringing that truth to the people. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1216 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Kaare.... Nice to hear from you again! Yeah, very perceptive of you! Seems, David Icke's 'slick' talking has made many minds wander off, in the wrong direct! Instead, of them accessing, The Truths...from the horses mouth, so to speak. As is it seems: 'LIES always Sells', alas to say. Edward. | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hello to All, After reading some of the FIGU material and after discussions with some of our esteemed members, I have managed to acquire this thinking on the matter of the Plejaren teachings. I was hoping that I could impose on you to double check this for inaccuracies and possibly show me where I need correction. I realize that there is so much to learn that I will never accomplsih the completion in this lifetime, and that I am far from even beginning, but I would like to be certain I have the basics fairly organized before I begin to delve deeper. This is what I understand: Creation began as a life force of inconsequence, from the thought of an incomprehensible Pre-creation, as a spiritual force contained in a miniscule material form. That spiritual energy expanded on itself creating an explosion which in turn created the universes, and through living and experiencing life, evolved from those experiences. During this evolution Creation became conscious of itself through an awareness of its need to continue being. Hense evolution is simply the need for Creation to continue growing and experiencing life as it creates it. Having become aware of it's desire to evolve, it also gained knowledge as it confronted those experiences, and applying that knowledge caused it to seek further experiences and knowledge from those experiences, which instilled intelligence. At some point Creation, applying its increasing intelligence, decided that extending its life force out into the universes by creating similar life forces, could multiply its efforts immeasurably. Does "We are created in his image" sound familiar?" So every new life spirit begins the same evolution as creation, until it also becomes pure creational spirit, and melts as one into creation, thereby building and evolving Creation itself. Creation creates new spirits which have had no experience at all, and imbues them with only enough knowledge to know to flee from danger and defend themsleves, similar to the instincts of a baby, as well as an urge to seek out a material life-form for itself somewhere in the universes. It wanders through the universe until it finds a suitable form, which means a form primitve enough to contain a new spirit of that first level of evolution. Such a life form would not be an earthling, but would be far less evolved. Through this form it begins the evolutionary process of accumulating knowledge through experience and survival, reincarnating into other lifeforms as it evolves. Each new incarnation being able to apply its previously evolved logic to seek out further truth and knowledge, to evolve to even higher levels of spiritual form. A spirit evolves through levels of development each time it crosses over from a material form into the spiritual realm, when that material form can no longer sustain life. On the death of the material form, the spirit enters the spirit realm surrounding the planet it dies on, and its accumulated knowldge and experience is processed into the Akasha records of creation, Creation's library, so to speak. That accumulated knowledge ,acquired through millions of reincarnations, of millions of evolving spirits, is stored in Creation's knowledge base, whereby Creation itself grows in experience. Each spirit is processed according to the level to which it has evolved, higher spirit forms requiring levels separate from lower spirit forms. The spirit form retains the accumulated knowledge subconsciuosly. When reincarnated into a new infantile material form, its accumulated information is retained subconsciously and it is only by whatever degree of logic recognition ability it has reached that it is able to recognize truth and the natural laws of creation and evolve further. As it matures the evolved degree of logic recognition that is stored in its consciousness allows it to acknowledge and recognize a degree of truth and natural law, allowing it to process further information and knowledge, according to its level of evolution. Each incarnation has a higher degree of logic recogntion allowing it to gather more knowledge and so on. This is why a new incarnate, working with no conscious access to its subconscious knowledge base, can by applying its ability to utilize a degree of logic engrained into its consciousness, will recognize truths and natural laws when it comes across them, which then triggers its previously evolved knowledge and draws from it. The more higher evolved a spirit is, the greater its ability to apply logic, and therefore the easier to trigger the subconsciousness and make use of stored knowledge, increasing that knowledge further by experience. As it confronts experiences it has already had in a past life, it can then utilize its knowledge of dealing with those experiences, so that mistakes and errors made in the past need not be made again. Now, as earthlings, we, like all other humans existing in the universes, evolve and live in this cycle of life returning our accumulated knowledge to creation with every incarnation. the Plejarens are from other worlds in our universe and are far more evolved than earth humans and are able to pass this knowledge on to us the same way it has been passed on to them from beings more evolved than they are. This is one of the natural laws of creation. Higher evolved beings have an obligation to pass on knowledge and assistance to lower evolved beings. In this way Creation manages to continue the cycle of knowledge being available for evolution. In earth's ancient history, some 70 thousand years ago, the ancestors of the Plejarens who were still far more advanced in evolution and technology than earth humans, came to earth and settled here and ruled over our own ancestors, who worshipped them as gods. For whatever reasons the Plejaren accepted this and even procreated with earth humans, bearing half human, half Plejaren offspring, some whose descendants still exist here on earth but are unaware of their ancestry. They may be very intelligent and spiritual compared to other earth humans bceause of their genetic makeup. However this was considered a gross mistake by the Plejaren today, because it introduced advancements to our people at a time when we were not yet ready, at our stage of evolution, which created many problems for the planet, and they wish to make up for the mistake of their ancestors by helping us today. They hope to accomplish this by teaching us how to increase our spiritual knowledge, so that we can, through meditation and spiritual evolution, add to the Akasha realm around our planet, which will in turn allow for mankind to more easily learn truths that will assist us in our evolution, and possibly reverse the direction of destruction we are now on. As for Billy meier, his spirit is even more evolved than the Plejaren, and they are aware of who he is. he is an evolved spirit who has attained a level of evolution which no longer requires a material form to exist and no longer needs to reincarnate. His spirit is free to exercise its own will and act as it pleases as long as it is within the laws of creation and does not go against them. it decided to assist us knowing of the situation the Plejaren ancestors caused, and chose to take a material form again in order to intercede between the Plejaren and earth humans so they could assist us through contact with him. Even though Billy is an earth human, his spirit, being so highly evolved, is still able to come into close contact, physically and telepathically, with the Plejaren, whereas any normal human causes them considerable difficulty when coming into physical contact, and does not have the spiritual ability to contact them through telepathy. Of course, being reincarnated again, Billy was not aware of his identity as a child, and had to evolve into this knowledge as any other incarnate would, living as a human, but endowed with highly evolved spiritual abilities. However, the Plejaren began to make contact with Billy as a child, and teach him, preparing him for the task he was to accomplish in this material form he had taken. So Billy Meier is our lifeline to the teaching of the Plejaren, and through that teaching may be the chance for mankind to reverse its destructive lifestyle, and evolve further. If all this is a scam, than all we have to lose is a path to the actual truth, which we do not stop searching for anyway just becsaue we learn from Billy and the Plejaren. they themselves are teaching us to seek truth. hense, to follow their teaching, which so powerfully and positively resonates within us as truth, is only doing that which we seek to do in searching for truth anyway. It is a logical course to follow, which does credibly answer many questions and which dances gracefully with our spirits in a way that earth's confusing religion never will. So whether I am being duped or not, I would still continue doing everything in search of truth that the Plejarens are teaching me anyway. is that a coincidence? I do not think so! If you want a coincidence, it is a fact that what caused me to become disenchanted with religion in the first place was its inability to answer my questions about what happens to a spirit after death . And here we have the Plejaren answering that question in greater detail than I ever imagined possible. Now that is just pure irony! I will appreciate any assistance with this learning process more than any of you can imagine. Sincerely, Edward "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 376 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello Pathfinder, You have done VERY well in applying Your Logical Thinking. This also shows Your deepening Understanding of the Spiritual Truths of Creation. If You have not done so, I again encourage You to Obtain the Book: And Still They Fly written by Guido Moosbrugger. This Book also contains The Henoch Prophecies, which You will also find most Interesting. I gave You the Link to Obtain this Book in My Post #357 to You, above. To repeat the Link: http://www.theyfly.com/ On the site, click on 'Products' (left side of Home Page). Another VERY Comprehensive SET is the \uSPECIAL COLLECTOR’S EDITIONS OFFER! -COMPLETE WENDELLE STEVENS TRANSLATIONS AND INVESTIGATION REPORTS}. Worthwhile for Concentrated Study. It seems to me, that You are about ready to begin Your Study of the Spiritual Teachings. For this, You will need to obtain a Passive Membership with FIGU, after which You may then Enroll in the Courses. Contact any Member of the Core Group, who will enable You to 'get on board.' Go to this web address for information on the Passive Membership Process: http://us.figu.org/portal/AboutFIGU/Membership/PassiveMembership/tabid/86/Default.aspx Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hi rod, Yes I have been reading that book, but I have not attempted the prophcies part yet. I will do that. I assumed that they were more into possible event predictions than actual teaching. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 458 Registered: 07-2004 |
Pathfinder, There are several inaccuracies in your 'one shot understanding' post. Do to the area you cover I will point out a few and go from there. You write, "Creation began as a life force of inconsequence, from the thought of an incomprehensible Pre-creation, as a spiritual force contained in a miniscule material form. That spiritual energy expanded on itself creating an explosion which in turn created the universes, and through living and experiencing life, evolved from those experiences." 'Miniscule material form' is not accurate if I understand correctly myself. When Creation decides it will create a Creation, it's an idea, not a material object. This idea expands and creates the space for the Creation. In the beginning there is no material in that space. So you're close. "Creation creates new spirits which have had no experience at all, and imbues them with only enough knowledge to know to flee from danger and defend themsleves, similar to the instincts of a baby, as well as an urge to seek out a material life-form for itself somewhere in the universes. It wanders through the universe until it finds a suitable form, which means a form primitve enough to contain a new spirit of that first level of evolution. Such a life form would not be an earthling, but would be far less evolved. Through this form it begins the evolutionary process of accumulating knowledge through experience and survival, reincarnating into other lifeforms as it evolves. Each new incarnation being able to apply its previously evolved logic to seek out further truth and knowledge, to evolve to even higher levels of spiritual form." In the above, you need to clarify "lifeforms". The only life form capable of containing a human spirit, is an evolved humanoid form. Creation will create a new human spirit as a population on a planet increases. The spirit will not need to wander the universe once created to find a suitable life form. This only happens if a death occurs in space or a planet is destroyed. This will send the spirit searching for the nearest planet who's humanoid lifeforms are on a similar evolutionary scale. There are no such things as the Akashic records. I think they should be known as the storage blocks/banks. I'll stop here for now. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 10-2008 |
hi kingsman, Thanks for the help, I think I was getting the diagram of a spirit which Jacob was using to describe the makeup of a spirit , with the diagram used to define creation on the horn site. thanks for pointing that out, I can look at that again. a 'second shot' lol but with regard to the new spirit creations this is a clip from jacob's posts in the creation itself board COPY "A short first answer to your question: NewSpirit does not incarnate on Earth since our planet is already too high in evolution, our planet does however harbor Spiritforms that are relatively young and ignorant and seem idiotic. END COPY also with regards to new spirit forms incarnating on earth jacob says this: COPY A NewSpiritform gets its energy from Creation to live, but nothing more then that, because after its creation, a NewSpiritform will wander off into space looking for a home world to incarnate in. This process is fully unconscious and driven on an impulse/vibration-based principle; a NewSpiritform will detect the presence of a suitable planet on which it can incarnate for the first time. An NewSpiritform will incarnate in the primitive human life on that planet, and it will live an life that is seems very much animalistic, because in such an primitive human, there is no concisions thought or feeling. END COPY i need to know if jacob is incorrect in his explanation and where I can look for confirmation. thanks again Kingsman "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 460 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Pathfinder, You can call me Shawn. Kingman, not Kingsman, is a nickname from years ago my friends call me on occasion. I would go with Jacob's definitions for the Spirit knowledge as the accurate one. My memory needs a refresh button it seems. Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 473 Registered: 07-2004 |
I will offer a unique moment in my life that occurred decades ago. I had never thought of ufo's or researched them. Remember this was before the internet. I was 18 and legally responsible for all my actions. My parents were smart enough to realize I knew enough to survive on my own and they had done the best they could. Believe me, they were well aware of who I was. I saw myself as a know-it-all and wasn't going to accept the 'norm'. I noticed my friends living the lifestyle I had envisioned for myself down at a beach community. They seemed to be able to enjoy whatever it was they wished for them selves during my observation. Being 18, I decided that was what I wanted. A no worries, revolving door of opportunities. This was down in Newport Beach, Calif. A very modern bohemian lifestyle was emerging. Ok, I drove down there and attempted to make myself needed. Unfortunately what was needed was money, not servants. I was a simplistic bewildered surf rat. Wow! Now it gets clearer. Well I was young and had a constantly changing opinion of reality so I could convince myself that the end justifies the means. Long story short, I was suddenly, while in my wetsuit, transfered to a jail cell. I had gone against the rules of society and became affected by their rules. It was a minor ordeal, but big enough that I spent nearly 30 days thinking about my wrong at that time. So here I was, 30 days in an environment that says 'slowdown'. With money that friends put down for me to be able to purchase things, I acquired a note pad and pencil. Most time I spent noticing what each person did in there personal time. It was always to do with there note pads they had purchased. Artwork was the obvious extension of their minds. I tried but my abstract art was not delivering anything to me. I gave up on my note pad being a mirror of my thoughts, That's until one day I jumped up from my bed and wrote this out: This was the title: CREATION AND THE PATH TO TRUTH Creation begins with imagination. the what 'if' or what 'if's'. Starting is like finishing, it is creation. Imagine and you have created. If it was the first force that began the universe, then you will say it was the good force. Yet if another universe was destroyed to begin ours, destruction would be the good force. Creation is destruction is creation. Does this relate to good verses evil on a like basis? Can you say, " good is evil is good is evil etc?" To simply replace words with other words can enlighten ones imagination and begin creating the path to truth. Creation expands your current limitations, increasing the horizons you now reach. Continuously forming off of your last creation brings a higher frequency to the creations surroundings. Thus to create is to generate your frequency higher, bringing you closer to the harmonic balance. Creation like destruction, generates an emotional feeling, a kinetic human energy related to success or completion. Warmth and purpose respond to the task, adding self love, and value to a soul. Creation creates self love, the most important love. The stronger love brings the higher frequency. And the excessive love flows outward, touching and warming everything in its path. This directs your path to truth, lighting the hidden shadows that await you on your journey. With love lighting your path you see more, and enable your mind to step ahead, bounding farther than the previous progressions. Each greater creation brings in a multiplying effect, eventually surrounding you with the ability to pass on the knowledge and creating more seekers, again increasing the surrounding frequency. With each segment of growth comes the decreased wave length from the acquiring knowledge. The path you travel along was created by your creations and your desire for truth. As this path increases in the complexities of greater knowledge, it begins to form the roots of foundation and a base one may return to when the path is not so clear. To be able to return to ones truth foundation allows the clarity to return and thus the guidance back to the path sought. This foundation is the gift of your gifts. Here you have created one of the greatest creations from creation. This mighty structure will exist mostly in your mind. It is here where it can become diluted, or where it may increase in purity, it is never safe. Safe guarding ones truth foundation may guide you to recording your creations discoveries, maintaining the light of your truth and it's path. If you were not born with the quest for truth, yet acquired it later, you may lose sight of your foundation and absorb your attention elsewhere to the point of wandering back to the survival life of the average human. Shrine your truth with the elements of its meaning found or gifted along your path. If a written record of what has enlightened your creative path to truth is not feasible, your simple personal shrine will contain enough icons to re-frame your truth structure when the path has faded. To begin your path means neither your protection from life realities, or a new golden spoon. But it will eventually contain the rewards you were seeking prior to your foundations formation. Once you have your own structure to share, the rewards you will now have forgotten will begin to emerge. With them you will find your previous reasons of desiring them will be replaced by auras of truth and love. Create and you will begin to understand truth, which is the truth of your Creator. Your path has begun and your foundation will take root, as soon as you begin to imagine. END I wrote this at 18 and it is the only thing I still own form that time period. I thank Creational for her inspiration to bring it forth. I am not saying anything with this posting. What I wrote back then was meaning full back then. I just have a desire to allow Billy's material to be viewed unobstructed, so others can begin their search without the tainted attachments others expose for all to see. Billy's writings are meant for you. When someone else directs you to a meaning they say is derived from Billy, it is for you to decide, not for them to tell you. As you shift around your thoughts at this forum, remember we are all here because we discovered something that was obvious, yet never acknowledge by those who stand before us. Anything you read here is opinion. If Billy writes it, we contemplate it, deeply. Our thoughts are our thoughts, we even sometimes post them. Because we have come to understand that the truth can be known, and Billy is a source for that truth, we place Billy where he deserves to be. There are many ideas and thoughts that flow through each of us everyday. I wish to hear them from your point of view as you understand the Teachings. I am not comprehending the assertions that some forum members disclose to others that carry a prolonged theme that clashes fully with Billy's materials. I stand as a simple person who recognizes these actions. We are always needing prodding along these paths, let's just make sure that we can see clearly these activities. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 10-2008 |
hi Shawn, You had an extremely open mind for an 18 years old which tells me that you are not a young spirit. I am curious where you went from there. With that kind of wisdom tormenting your struggle to fit in to a world that seemed to live outside of the spiritual, one would think that you would have become a tibetan monk or something. Where did you go from there? "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 475 Registered: 07-2004 |
Pathfinder, You are able to inject the humorous part in a warm way. A monk huh!? If something as that crossed my mind I would quickly see an automatic default in such thoughts. I'm to social and curious in my ways, to be a monk-like character. Very limiting I think. But what do I know about a monks life. Where did I go from there? To make a long story short, I went looking. And you know where I'm at now, but still always looking. Just now I can look deep and always discover more spiritual treasures that have always been there, just waiting to be noticed. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 10-2008 |
hmmmm, I sense that you are deliberately leaving something out Shawn, but I will not pry. I think I will enjoy believing that you secretly have a big honkin' robe in your closet though. someone with your wise age shouldn't be wastin away in a social life, lol. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1230 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Shawn... Beautiful and Wisely said. Thank you for sharing it with us all. Edward. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 489 Registered: 07-2004 |
You can thank Zhila, she showed the power of opening up to me and I want to thank her for that. Los Angeles has hope after all! a friend in america Shawn | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 09-2008 |
Hi Shawn, In your motivating, and incredibility well written post #473, astonishingly written at only 18 years of age, you said; "With love lighting your path you see more, and enable your mind to step ahead, bounding farther than the previous progressions. Each greater creation brings in a multiplying effect, eventually surrounding you with the ability to pass on the knowledge and creating more seekers, again increasing the surrounding frequency. With each segment of growth comes the decreased wave length from the acquiring knowledge." My dear friend, your statement above, says it all. I truly enjoyed reading this and all your posts. Then I read your post #489 to Edward. I am truly honored and thrilled, if I have triggered the release of what has always been there as you brilliantly said in your post #475 to Pathfinder, and I quote; “I can look deep and always discover more spiritual treasures that have always been there, just waiting to be noticed.” I am glad, I made you notice! And last but not least, is yet another fascinating post of yours, #845. As you have probably noticed, I love analogies. I think ANALOGY IS THE LANGUAGE CREATION USES TO SPEAK TO US; AND/OR WE USE TO COMPREHEND AND COMMUNICATE THE TRUTH. Are you kidding?! There is absolutely nothing corny about that post. It is particularly well written and to the point. Your analogy was particularly clever. I Thank you for taking the time to use it to make me better understand. To answer about my interactions with churches or such, I was born in an incredibly liberal Muslim Iranian family. I have always been seeking the truth, everywhere. As soon as I feel ready, I will introduce Billy and what he has to offer to everyone receptive, it is then up to them to want to know more, as all of you have done for me, and I am truly grateful. Salome Zhila, THANK YOU BILLY. | ||
Bianca_r New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2008 |
I have been thinking...while still possessing clear thinking and a healthy body and not escaping one's evolution as chosen by the spirit, can one consciously decide the time of when one will 'move on'? I am not being morbid but sometimes I think about it as I am sure so many of us have, and I remember this great quote from Billy. "Don't worry about dying... you will live through it". | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 05-2008 |
Bianca_r: I am not picking on you, but I will throw out this UG Krishnamurti quote, fwiw. "In any event, all you can do is to speculate about death and reincarnation. Only dead people ask about death. Those who are really living would never ask such a question. That memory in you--which is dead--wants to know if it will continue even after what it imagines to be death. That is why it is asking such silly questions. Death is finality; you are dead only once. When once the questions and ideas you have have died, then you will never ask about death again." | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 419 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello Bianca_r, ["...can one consciously decide the time of when one will 'move on'?"] The short answer to Your Question is 'Yes.' I do not wish to provide too much detail on 'How.' You would have to master the same techniques and processes used by the Adept Yogis. By a control over all bodily functions, the Heart is stopped resulting in the Liberation of the Spirit from the Body. The Body then dies without the presence of the Spirit. But I would ask - Why would anyone want to? We all are given our Time for learning as much of knowledge and Wisdom as is possible before We pass over. Evolution continues in following Re-incarnations. There may be a necessity to repeat some lessons which were cut short by an interrupted Life. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 493 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Zhila, I don't think there are to many Iranian Muslims that aren't liberal in my experiences. I have been slightly fascinated by the love and affection they would show me as a guest at their home. Not to say that other groups of people didn't care, there was always something that remained in me from the times I spent amongst my Iranian friends. Never did religion ever become a point from them. It's strange but I never really thought about that till now. What I wrote at 18 was very peculiar in many ways. I was doing whatever I could to occupy my mind do to the idleness of being detained. Once I gave up and decided it was impossible to force anything to emerge on to my notepad, I felt a sense of serenity, like I had finished a hard task and now I could relax my mind knowing I had done all I could. Of course now looking back I know that I went into a meditative state and my thoughts were none. I laid on my bunk feeling extremely safe and accomplished, so relaxed I noticed nothing around me. Being in jail with 40+ people of nefarious crimes and such seems crazy, but it is what I felt at that time. Once I returned to reality I wrote what I posted for others to read without any break in my thoughts. I wrote as fast as I could. I actually wrote three other similar excerpts that became lost in my many moves in life. I am grateful for the one that I retained, for it shares the knowledge that if we can just quiet the mind we will hear what is the thing we most need from an invaluable source, our spirit. Just knowing we have a spirit, not believing it, knowing it, puts an energy in me to move forward no matter what things stand in my way. Doubt is a stranger when we know. Thank you for being here, it's the best thanks you can show me. Salome dear friend, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1605 Registered: 12-1999 |
Please get back on topic, this has nothing to do with FIGU related information | ||
Joe New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2008 |
is it true that when one dies one's facial features remain more or less the same when one is reincarnated? The reason why I'm asking is because this is what Randolph Winters had said but according to Christian Frehner if you die as a white person in a multicultural country such as the US then it's possible to be reincarnated as a black person or vice versa. Who is right? | ||
Baselineplayer Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 09-2007 |
Joe, According to what I have read about, the occurrence of physical characteristics will be similar to the past incarnation. So, if I am leaving this current life, I will return and look quite similar to the current incarnation. This reminds anyway like recycling and like a puzzle. One lives and passes away. All parts are going everywhere, but the spirit goes to the storage banks. Later the spirit is called back ti incarnate a new person of similar occurrence, but the new incarnation may be totally different as a person. Probably no material parts are the same, probably no atom of the past incarnation's body in this new incarnation's body. Also another detail, the new incarnation will probably be born in the same environment and culture as the past one, or at least about the same. Med Bästa Hälsningar / Mit Besten Grüssen / With Best Regards /Baselineplayer | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Baselineplayer, I agree with your explanation, only, the spirit doesn't go to the storage banks, but rather it goes to the fine matter realm or Beyond...as I undersatnd. MB | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 546 Registered: 03-2004 |
The storage banks are themselves fine matter, though not the same storage area as the spirits' resting place. Also be aware that fine matter and spiritual matter, as terms get confused. Technically, according to BEAM, physical matter can be coarse or fine, and fine matter, as in fluidal forces, is indeed physical. The matter of the spirit realm has at least once been refered to by Mr Meier as super fine matter. It is possible that the storage banks might be fine physical matter, while it is a certainty by their nature that spirits are of spiritual, thus super fine matter as is their storage area... | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 10-2008 |
I would certainly like to know more about this storage after death. can you direct me to the writings? Are you saying that knowledge is stored separately from the spirit, and if so is the spirit aware in this afterlife realm? "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 550 Registered: 03-2004 |
Use the search engine on this forum as well as the search engine on the figu homepage for the mother site (i.e. the swiss site). | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1241 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Joe.... Welcome to the FIGU board. Well, yes...I would agree with what Christian said. The features would indeed resemble that of a previous incarnation persona.... in Similarity. Would never be 'exact', of course. Configuration of the components with the race that One is incarnating would play part, here...I would think. Every race has their own 'unique' build-up of components of composition(DNA...etc.). So, it can be that the Spirit(-form/consciousness) can be 'compatible' enough to incarnate into any human race in its surrounding, if it has accumulated the needed Insights and Knowledge...etc, to permit the Spirit-form to incarnate into the that mentioned race, which ever it may be. So, the Spirit(-form/consciousness)'s Level of Knowledge...etc, play part for the mentioned to execute itself; and would apply to ANY which race for it to incarnate into. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1242 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Joe, Marcela and Baselineplayer.... Very true, Marcela. The Storage Banks, or the so-called Akashic Records are where: Every human being's thoughts, articulations, feelings or emotions, stirrings, impulses and the like, are deposited in the Akashic Records, the storage area in a terrestrial hyperspace. [Excerpt: An Interview with "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier - Spiritual Teachings.] Edward. | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2008 |
this certainly looks like a Plejaren ship. UFO in South Africa (2003): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KKUrd_nZuc if I'm not mistaken the Plejarens usually cloak their ships but maybe sometimes they don't. but then again maybe it isn't a Plejaren ship... it could be a fake. | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 04-2007 |
joe, this question was risen before, billy meier is XTREMELY curious as to where the man who amde this video got the original footage. billy said that this is one of his tapes stolen and that he would like to know who took it. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 371 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Joe, Looks like a fake to me because of the square pattern around the ship. When Semjase allowed photos of her ship the other side was cloaked... That pattern isn't observable around the bird at the end... | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 454 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hi Joe, Sure is amazing what can be with Video editing Software these days. Yeah, that IS a Plejaren Beamship. The ship was filmed by Billy, then SOMEONE got ahold of the video and superimposed it onto the Ocean Scene. Here is a good one of an Imperial Battle-Cruiser flying in over the Golden Gate Bridge...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfqDVP_0O0c Which Bridge, in fact, I could let you have real cheap. Just send me $10,000, and I'll send the deed to ya. *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 02-2008 |
Joe, I had actually already brang up that video here. From James' post #62: The video was "made by a person called Chris Oakley http://chrisoakley.com/" who is a video artist. From Melli's post #321: "The video clip of a Beam ship in Sth. Africa, is a FAKE photo. I received a clarification from Figu about it: the Beamship is indeed Semjase's ship but the location and the ocean are falsified/ super imposed. Billy took this photo in the 70's and as so many of his photographic material this is one too was stolen and/or somehow 'vanished' and found its way into the wrong hands of the wrong people." Reece Stiller | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2008 |
Does the Earth human being live to approximately 70 to 100 years because the Earth human being is spiritually primitive or because the genes of the Earth human being were manipulated by ETs to live a much shorter life span? | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 11-2008 |
I'm aware that Alex Collier has been discussed on a number of occasions but could someone please tell me whether Alex Collier was debunked by Billy Meier himself or if there is anything mentioned about him in the contact reports? | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 520 Registered: 07-2004 |
Joe, The Earth Human Being lives to his average age due to both these conditions. With our concerted effort to grow our spirituality we will see our growth in our longevity. As well, if we discover the aging gene(I believe we already have, if your rich enough), we can begin increasing our average age. Through living as close to the Spiritual Laws, one can increase their life span. Through the science of the genome, one can effect their longevity. Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 321 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Joe both things have an effect in our life spans through technology but also through our thoughts we can change our genes | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2008 |
if it would be possible to send a small donation by cheque to FIGU Switzerland, to whom can I address it to? | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 470 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hi again Joe, You know what? I getting to like You, Your Questions are worthy, and Your Interest appears to be genuine. To answer the Question in Your Post #23, Please ask directly by 'Snail-Mail' through this : http://us.figu.org/portal/ContactUs/tabid/113/Default.aspx This Page has a Link from here: http://us.figu.org/portal/AboutFIGU/Membership/Overview/tabid/84/Default.aspx And the 'Home Page' here: http://us.figu.org/portal/Home/tabid/37/Default.aspx ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ To the (more profound) Question You asked in Your Post #13: ["Does the Earth human being live to approximately 70 to 100 years because the Earth human being is spiritually primitive or because the genes of the Earth human being were manipulated by ETs to live a much shorter life span?"] To answer THIS Question, Please read the full Text of Contact Report 251, found here: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251 Once You arrive to an Understanding from this, You may have Questions of deeper Import, for which Answers will have deeper Value. We will be happy to help You find Answers. Please keep in mind that You are Responsible for Your own Growth. No one here is anyone's guru. We are all equal here, and we are each on our own Path of Growth and Evolution in the Spiritual Teachings. That's why this Forum exists = where we can discuss these issues, gain from our sharing in a mutual common Interest. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 378 Registered: 10-2005 |
Joe, Hi, welcome. Address it to : FIGU Semjase-Silver-Star-Center CH-8495 Hinterschmidrüti/ZH | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 11-2008 |
J_rod7 and Rarena, thanks for the replies. Rarena, is the following correct: cheque to be addressed to: FIGU address of FIGU Switzerland: FIGU Semjase-Silver-Star-Center CH-8495 Hinterschmidrüti/ZH Switzerland I'm assuming I have to add 'Switzerland' at the end of the address, right? | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 379 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Joe, Sure add it for the American mail carriers... CH means Confederate Helvetica and is generally refered to as Switzerland as far as I know... 8495 is the Post address... Just a short walk from SSSC... | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 181 Registered: 02-2000 |
Confoederatio Helvetica The post office a few walks from the SSSC doesn't exist anymore, but the address number (ZIP code) is still okay. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 171 Registered: 07-2008 |
Honorable Kamerad Joe, I salute your generous Effort in supporting the dedicated and altruistic Work of FIGU in the Name of Mankind. I will also support and join the Call of Herr J_rod 7 in his Post 473(http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/show.cgi?14/79). At the End of this Month, December, i shall send 50 Euros to the FIGU Branch on Overpopulation - on the Banking Document, i will write "Contribution to the Awareness Campaign on Overpopulation", which would indirectly inform a Couple of People by those Dutch and Swiss Institutions of our Task, for the Employees who would proceed that Document, will have to read that required Banking Information. It is not much, but it is just a Begin. I know that our Kameraden at the Mother Center are very busy, i will nevertheless ask Herr Frehner or Herr Hans, whether one of them could coordinate this Action. Good Luck with your Spiritual Quest and remain Neutral-Positive from within! Salome, Adam. | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 11-2008 |
It is mentioned by Ptaah in contact report 236 that the Chinese and Japanese races lived on the planet Kudra in the Nisan star system which is located on the other side of the Milky Way galaxy. Then 2,400,000 years ago they emigrated to a planet called Nissan which is in the neighborhood of Lasan in the Lyra star system due to overpopulation of the planet. Then approxemately 26,000 years ago they emigrated from planet Nissan to planet Earth and are the youngest inhabitants currently on Earth. I would like to know if there is anything mentioned in the contact reports what was the population back then on the planet Nissan? I would also like to know if there is anything mentioned in the contact reports about which planet are Koreans from? | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 11-2008 |
I'd like to know if possible, if there is anything mentioned in the contact reports about the Chinese and Japanese people that arrived here on Earth approxemately 26,000 years ago were spiritually more evolved than they are today. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 489 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello Joe, Answers to Your question (in 27 & 28) may be found at the following Link...: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_236 As to their their Spiritual Evolution, - ask this of Billy at the next round of "Questions to Billy - Answered" which will open in January. The Original People of Japan are the Ainu, which are some Remnant survivors from the destruction of Lemuria (Mu). About the Koreans, they are also related with the Chinese and Japanese. Several thousand years ago, a great migration of People from Korea flowed into the Islands of Japan, which are now the Japanese People. The Ainu were displaced to the Northern Islands of the Japanese Islands. The History of these Islands is a fascinating Study. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 227 Registered: 10-2008 |
i throw my hands up in utter ignorance. I have asked and I have searched, and after doing so I must draw my own conclusions based upon what was offered to me. I feel a little like bruce willis in the movie Armageddon where he says to the NASA scientist, "Is this it? With all of your brilliant scientists this is all you can come up with?" I do not mean to be critical or demeaning, but from what I am able to gather from the sources here, some who have been to FIGU, and others who have some knowledge of its workings, I have a picture of a small group of well meaning people who have great hope for the future and want to profess the teaching of BEAM by publishing his writings. There may or may not be some type of public relations as well, but noone is forthcoming with that information. Other than the FIGu sites and a couple of affiliated sites, and some books that are rarely found in book stores, I can see no means of bringing the message of the Pleaidians to the people of earth with the urgency it requires. Those at FIGU and others like Micheal Horn are to be commended for their efforts. BEAM is of course a remarkable individual and deserving of all respect. His teaching is resounding on the spiritual level. But with regard to the continuation of the mission I remain ignorant of any further efforts. It seems to be at a stalemate forced to await evolution. I recognize that evolution is a key factor in all of this, and I also acknowledge that evolution takes time, and the changing of the world's masses will also take time. I understand that evolution does not take place over night, and that when speaking of evolution one is talking lifetimes. But I also see the duration of evolution being used as an excuse for inaction in the here and now by many here. I do not condone that sort of teaching and cannot follow it. We may be responsible for our own actions, and maybe if everyone adopted that philosophy the world might be a better place in some few thousand years. But this is not a law of creation. There is no law of creation that states that we ignore the here and now and await the future for results. What direction I do see in creation is that we are to care for our brothers and sisters and care for our planet. You can choose to do that in one of the next lives after you reincarnate a few more times, or you can choose to act on these issues right now in this lifetime. My options are few in this life, but I can assure you that if I was in a position to of authority in FIGU I would be seeking individuals of like mind to use in this battle, and I would be devising ways to reach out with a greater voice and longer arm to the world. The mission that BEAM and the Plejaren have set us on is not one to be left to the course of evolution of one individual at a time. their writings clearly state that this message must be professed immediately. that is why they trained Billy and why FIGU was organized. The effort of putting books on the backshelves in stores, and links on websites that will rarely be looked at by most humans, and having the very few likeminded individuals attempt to spread a philosophy over a thousand years, is NOT a method of accomplishing such a mission. and the excuse that Larry King will not allow airtime is also not an excuse to give up. Can we not apply a little covert activity and maybe a little deviousness to accomplish the goal of reaching out? There are ways, but there must be a will also. The fact that the masses will not listen is not an excuse to avoid speaking out to them. My three year old son hates to listen, but I have an obligation as a parent do i not? Or maybe I should wait a few more years until he has further evolved! But then, because I did not reach out when I should have, the future will result in a different evolution for him won't it. I have studied the writings to some degree and I know that this mission is deserving of a greater scale of profession. I, and every one of you also, know that there are many more covert and effective ways of professing to a larger audience and accomplishing a greater and more immediate affect. However, after determining the response of most here, I can see that immediacy is not going to be a priority. Other than Adam who seems to sense the urgency but remains confused about how to address it, there seems to be small hope for our world represented in this particular place, unless you are talking generally about a thousand years in the future. So I must thank you at least for that effort on behalf of evolved beings everywhere. My evolution of course will be different. I will learn from this mistake. I amy be of no effect in this life, but at least I will be able to apply logic and knowledge in the next and maybe I will be in a position then to accomplish something for my fellow terrans and my planet, and creation as a whole. But those who choose to wait on evolution to evolve them and their world will simply continue to wait, and wait, and wait never learning the mistake. You are wonderful people and deserve a pat on the back, but you are not accomplishing anything that will be effective sooner than later. For that reason I can only discuss the spiritual teachings and will not attempt to relate my opinion on the mission or the issues of the mission any longer. My views are already as clear as I can make them. And I have gathered as much information about the mission as is available at this time. I am sorely disappointed with the mission protocol to say the least and expect much more, but that is my humble opinion and I am nobody to criticize them. It is purely a personal observation based upon what information I was able to gather. the fact that FIGU is mostly a small group that does not speak english is not a reasonable excuse for inaction as far as I am concerned given the fact that they have Extraterrestrials at their disposal to achieve their goals, as well as many other avenues to follow that they seem to be ignoring. My unimportant observations only. FIGU, those who might read this that matter, my hands are tied, yours however are not. Reach out! Farther! Creation is waiting. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1630 Registered: 12-1999 |
Pathfinder, You know it's easy to sit behind the keyboard and talk about all the failings of FIGU, but you do not know everything about all the things that have been done already. For instance, I attend various UFO conferences from time to time usually 2-3 per year as they come up. I sell Billy's Books, Pamphlets and a number of Michael Horns products as they become available. Now you would think this type of environment would be ripe with people wanting to find out about spiritual teachings, UFO's etc, but I will tell you this is not the case. I would say maybe 1 out of 50 people may stop by the table and sort through the various items displayed, and out of those maybe 50% will take the next step and purchase something and actually take it home and study or view it. I have a binder with many of Billy's pictures, which you would think would catch most peoples eye, but it seems this is not the case either. People sometimes will say "oh yea I know about Billy Meier" and either roll their eyes back, or act like there is nothing more to learn and they have the case all figured out. I went to the trouble of putting together many of the bulletins and assorted articles from FIGU and Michael Horn into a small bound booklet. It took me years to sell them, at my cost of putting the booklets together. I suppose if I gave them away, they may have went quicker, but my point being that people if not ready for something, will not give it a look, let alone pay for it. What do you propose that FIGU does in regards to pushing the mission forward? You seem to want everything to happen now, but it cannot. Look how long it took religions to gain a foothold in peoples thinking. Look at the impact of various over population organizations and how much their message is being ignored. It seems you would be more impressed if one of the Plejarens landed their ships on the Whitehouse lawn and exclaimed to the world we have arrived. What are you doing to further the mission as you see it? Have you tried to do anything outside your doorstep to bring enlightenment to people that you know? Regards Scott | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 559 Registered: 07-2004 |
Scott, I rarely talk about someone who isn't in the room with me at the time. If you haven't noticed, we've all been responding to a brickwall, so I don't feel bad talking about this brickwall, because their not 'here'. Being a moderator, you've been forced to read an excruciatingly dragged on attempt to shine a little light on our friendly brickwall. Regardless if this brickwall is likable or not, I sense your post above will be a near final one on this awkward stagnation towards the brickwall. I second the motion! And with due respect, many here have published their small books trying to shed a little of their light to help our admittedly confused brickwall. I will unofficially lawyer up for them and begin a class action suit to stop the now obvious insanity that brickwalls have been known to create. I could sight some precedents from the legal annals, but insanity cases are just always the same(pun intended) as are the results. So.... I didn't know where else to go with this schtick, so I'll ended it here, you have enough to do on our behalf. Good day, sir! Salome a friend in america Shawn | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 109 Registered: 10-2007 |
Billy and FIGU are doing exaclty what Ptaah asked them to do... sb 43 page German pages 1-3/English 3-6 excerpt Ptaah: That's good to hear and I would not like to neglect to articulate my thanks to all those who are assisting which is also valid for all others who are actively helping with the difficult mission and tackle everything so that steady progress and success are recorded. I would also like to direct my thanks to all the members of the worldwide Group of Passive Members as well as all the friends of FIGU and those interested in the mission, who help with their financial contributions so that the Mission can bloom. My thanks should also go to all those Earth human beings, who in the coming future will continue to stand by the mission and also support it financially as far as the necessary translations of the books and other writings into other lanquages are concerned. Billy: Thank you for your words, and I am certian you will also receive the thanks from those who feel spoken to. Ptaah: The thank is due to all those who recognize the truth and importance of the Mission and exert themselves to live up to it and help so that it can bear good fruits, regardless of whatever type of efforts are always given. --- which is a free PDF, and preparing the {Kelch der Wahrheit} for it's book bound German release, and through an appeal for donations, not only English translation but other important Earth lanquages as well, Arabic, Chinese, Spanish, for all people to have a guide for the up and coming times, although maybe they should do Russian too. Evolution is never overnight, and I am glad I live on a planet where there is a FIGU, the Plejeran have a high council, and Billy was once a member, so if you are in a hurry then stand by the mission and also start reading. People that are impatient could always donate some, and FIGU may also need donations so they can do interviews for TeleZuri thier way because of the false ego of the inteviewer. People that are active against overpopulation don't necessaritly have to brag about it on the forums at this time to not only ensure their safety but FIGU's as well, or could even see if they could put their skills to use off the forums lending Micheal Horn/he has permission/some help if he would be willing it never hurts to try. Just a thought, as I am just beginning to read myself. Corey | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 228 Registered: 10-2008 |
dear Scott, I mistook your sincerity once before as sarcasm. i now sense that you are sincere. You are a moderator and have the power to post what I would like to say to respond to all of these fine people here. you will read it first because i want it to be to you personally, and then you can choose to post it or leave it. But I will do it in two separate posts under the thread Mission related and the subthread new ways to improve the mission so that it will appease BADR and hopefully be in a thread he can support. I ask as a man who wants the same as the rest of you to please consider what i have to say there and then pass your final judgement on me. I am compelled to do this. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 496 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** ******* Best Greetings Scott and Badr. I must also Second (or Third, or 7-Factorial ( a Huge number )) the motion of Shawn. Many of us here have had Enough of the 'BrickWall'. No matter whatever Light is shined thereupon, new Graffiti keeps appearing. It has become an endless Distraction. We all here are not 'Just Another Brick in the Wall'. So the wall must go. 'Nuff said ******* *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 10-2008 |
It's time to stop the endless whining . Be confused if you insist , but be silent . Seek to understand , if you will , but don't expect the world to march to your lack of a beat . | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 09-2008 |
Hello everyone, I am not directing my post on any particular person but from what I have gathered lately, in the issue of overpopulation and Adam’s personal resolution, I feel that it is time for me to bud in! Everyone is helping this mission, be it the antagonist ones or the synergists. (Against or pro), directly involved or not! Somehow, our advanced friends which are, sort of like our future beings, figured out that EVEN those negative forces like KKK, are indirectly helping this “operation”; and we are here participating in FIGU because we ‘feel’ Or ‘perceive’ all this to be beneficial to humanity, overall. (The sixth and seventh senses that Billy insists we have, and most humans have kind of put aside!) Extremely openly, our ET friends convinced the majority of us (I hope or assume!), that even when they are concealing certain issues, it is done calculatedly for a bigger advantageous purpose. The reason I personally came to trust them is because I looked at ALL they have to offer. My friends….. I think, and specifically in my opinion, Billy in his many spirit forms, has been trying to be a wake up call for the humanity to take responsibility from the core and to stop pointing fingers once and for all! He might have failed six times, but this is it. Adam had an admirable and heroic but PERSONAL revelation and, I might add, logically, he decided to share it with us; because that is where he is in this task and where he may find help in his personal challenge. (There is a great scientific probability for him to find people in the same vibrational mind set in FIGU) He clearly asked all of us to contribute if, and I emphasize again, IF, we wanted to or could! I personally did not participate because of my own private issues, but I respect and admire him for his effort. This is all I can do at this point personally. No one obligated any one of us to be involved here. This is exactly what Billy is not about! As a matter of fact, the mere freedom of choice opposite to all the existing cults is what made me be attracted to this group. So far, the most valuable lesson I have learned here is to start from ME, and take appropriate responsibility, while I give others the space to do the same; meaning, to figure out where they are and where they want to be without FEAR or obligation associated with earth human's religious and or other cults. All we have to do is look at Billy and learn that this IS ABOUT PERSONAL EVOLUTION, even in the case of the new age prophet whom in the era of information and media, from our perspective, could have been more vocal but he personally decided and chose not to be. RESPECTFULLY, that was his call and the rest should be and is history. I mean I might have done it differently where I am consciously but, let's face it, I am not him! Lets stop the should have, would have, and could have about other people and truly MIND ourselves and our own issues. Looking at one of the laws of nature, sometime we too need to regurgitate (pause, meditate, and so on) prior to spiting things out. Thanks for listening, or not listening! (Wow, I just realized this is the most outspoken I have ever been here in this forum!) Salome Zhila, THANK YOU BILLY. | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hi Zhila and Adam ; I think having a typewriter for conversations is like writing letters back and forth to try to dance with someone . What should be said is that I among others appreciate Adam's initiative very much . I think what happens is that people want to set out and jump into things , like representing FIGU on their own . Calling it a FIGU anything would have to go through FIGU , and like others who don't like seemingly harsh restrictions on things , it's not really restrictons that are the point . If one wants to accompish anything , steps could be taken . Of course , I'm only going on what's writen , so excuse me if i get the wrong impression that Adam wants to call it "the FIGU Overpopulation Awareness ..." So, if FIGU doesn't agree , do we have a smilar situation as we have seen recently here ? Or do people understand that they can create an 'Adam Population Awareness group', or whatever they want to call it . This is just something that needs to be said , if didnt , others would . But please , don't lose your initiative . Just don't use FIGU's name without their approval . Regards , Mark | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Mark, Thanks for your remarks. You and I are in the same page in this one. Salome, Zhila, THANK YOU BILLY. | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 10-2008 |
Not sure what they use to print books or what they used to write letters to the governments but it would seem that writing one's thought out with typrwriters keyboards or whatever tools for people to read is exactly what FIGU does. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hi Hunter ; The letters written by FIGU to governments were letters , and not conversations . My comment was about these kind of "com.versations" . It's just a little hard to truly communicate online , especially when someone misinterprets the meaning of someone's words , or when somene becomes offended because a frank opinion was given . I do reference previous responses between us as I type this , to be clear. Good Cheer , Mark | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 242 Registered: 10-2008 |
Mark, I understand your point well. I am agreeing but also noting that even those letters are a dance as you say. And even with face to face diplomacy skilled politicians can be deceiving in their proposals. The dance is always there regardless of the delivery. That is why a certain covert skill is required to actually accomplish any goals. Cunning defense must always be at the forefront to deal with cunning opposition. When one knows they will be dancing, than subtly taking the lead will help one get the dance going in the direction one desires. But one cannot easily force a big woman to dance differently than she is used to without a skillful and cunning approach. She needs to be led in a way that she does not even realize she is being led. The population and governments of this world is a very big woman! Peace to you Mark, Hunter "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 10-2008 |
Somehow Hunter , I see you as camoflaged and hiding to attack the 'opposition' in some way . Let me share with you a thought that may or may not germinate ; I can only hope . May it be that seeing anyone as 'opposition' only fortifies their position ? When , before you 'attacked' them , they were just people who walk their dogs ,drive while call-phone talking , and melt butter on their roses in their garden just like normal people do . By bringing something to their attention that they did not ask for you enter in a .... precarious position , as I keep saying . Writing letters to governments , try that . Will it get read ? Ask yourself ; why should it , how could it ? Is there a jet stream of government letter writing and attatched knowledge that will put you to the front , or will a good old crayola do for a writing instrument ? As yourself these things and convene with your covert cunning cohorts and be perfectly still or someone will hear you ! Cheers , MC | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 249 Registered: 10-2008 |
Mark, I fear that I might respond in the wrong way here as I am not sure I am understanding exactly what your problem is with my intentions. So if I come across a little confused or not quite hitting the mark, that is the reason for it. Are you saying that being covert in one's strategy creates a defensive posture in the opposition that is actually working against you right from the start of your attack? Or are you speaking of how FIGU does not need me to advise them on methods of harbinging? if it is the latter I do not understand why you would then be deliberately ignoring me when I say that these opinion are nothing more than my opinions. If it is the prior, I do not understand how you can dismiss the tactical benefits of covert strategy. It is used in warfare as well as propoganda to great effect. One of Hitler's greatest weapons was propaganda. And it certainly had a great effect at reaching the masses with his message. I am sure if he had not applied a certain tact and strategy, and just went forth with the message that he wanted to kill anyone that wasn't of Aryan heritage, that the message would not have been as well received. And then of course there is the way that the liberal agenda has been able to use the media to slowly brainwash the masses into being more acceptable to liberal ideas that a decade ago would be intolerable and offensive to most. Would anyone deny the role of the media in bringing the masses into a change of direction? Have you people heard of the 'subliminal suggestion' tactic that some have suggested that the media has imposed on the public viewers? Could you and others here be a little more concise about what it is that you resent in my opinions on this matter? I have clearly resounded my stance that I believe that the urgency of various worldly situations should be challenged with haste and a strategy to gain the best results, and also that this is not a condemnation of the efforts that anyone or group is now making, but only that I would like to see a more elaborate effort. I have also admitted that I am nobody to making these observations and do not expect to be knighted or officially acknowledged. I recognize that the insults people have directed at me are in concert with their assumptions that somehow because i have voiced my observations that I am now unfairly judging, but I do not know how they expect a person to make observations without judging the situation they are observing. Isn't every observation and opinion a personal judgement? Salome Hunter "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 10-2008 |
ED ; For the kind of strategic work you suggest , you would need to be a FIGU member . Nothing need more be said . However , fat chance to get away with only that with you . So : If you had a company , for example , and someone ( a stranger) started 'forum posting' that your managers and planners weren't doing enough and you suggested accelerating in promotion , how would you respond ? You would most likely have a personal meeting or two with the person (if you didn't get the idea that the person was a bit nutty), for the sake of community and best communication , mutual understanding .You want to make sure that the person is sincere , look him in the eye , etc. Otherwise , what do you suggest ? Make plans with a stranger ? Take a TOTAL stranger's ( like yourself ) complaints that his ideas are being ignored , seriously ? To assume that this is normal behaviour , and I am writing directly about YOUR behaviour , is to me , obviously based on some level of naivete' , unfamiliarity with the concept of council and organizations , and good old fashioned immaturity . FIGU has done TONS for the mission . If you don't know about what they've done , what do you want them to do ? Send updates to your home in the mail ? They send those to FIGU passive members . .TONS . OK ,I gave you my time . Why don't you take some of your own ,and try to discover what FIGU as already done , and what is in planning stages ; without asking everybody to do the work for you . Now ; don't tell me that you want to be an informed insider , because you don't . Period . . | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 473 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Pathfinder, many people here think (me among them) you do not give enough credit to a man who allegedly posseses the vastest knowledge in the universe regarding evolution, the universe, and the highest questions you can ask yourself as a human being. You don't give Billy enough credit because no real, no authentic interest has grown in you in order to immerse yourself in a case that can solve your deepest inner fears and doubts. It seems like you are trapped in an eternal state of doubt and skepticism. That would be fine if you had read 400 pages of Billy's books, but you haven't. Study comes first, questions come later. You have addressed the Figu community to do more, and my answer to your claims is that you are contaminated by the burdens of your past, because you see a spiritual community as the useless and enslaving "CLERGY". Figu has nothing to do with the clergy. We are people who try to direct creational processes in their correct path. No coercion, no force, no proselitism is allowed to us. It is very important that you realize this. Even in the case of overpopulation. Only giving information and exemplarizing is allowed to us. Also, it seems to me like you want to "review" the meier case just by knowing a miserable 2% of it....That is unjust, unfair and also an erroneous approach to any kind of study. I tell you, i do earn very little money. 1 year ago I decided to buy 20 Figu books instead of a 600€ LCD Tv. Was it worth it? Well, now the decision is yours. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 531 Registered: 10-2007 |
. ... ED Have you Read Contact #1 yet? Go do it ... . You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 263 Registered: 10-2008 |
Man oh man, What world are you guys living in? lol Who ever suggested that I wanted to lead FIGU to do anything? I sure as heck didn't. I can hardly lead my wife to make dinner. Skeptic? of course I am skeptical. I thought we were all skeptics here trying to discern truth from fiction. It seems to me that coming here and asking questions and trying to find out what things are and where things stand is a mistake as it only serves to make you defensive and insulted. This was cewrtainly not my intent and I apologize for that. From the FIGU manifesto and from what I originally was introduced to here, I was under the impression that you welcomed thinking individuals and respected all religions. And expected people to use logic and query to reach out for knowledge to come to their own understanding of these teachings. So in I came. I studied and familairaized myself and began asking the questions that arose as I studied. But when I ask questions that end up being evaded and I make an effort to get them across, people become agitated and insulted. So either you welcome the questions and opinions of visitors here, or you do not. But please, enough of the unbecoming headgames. I have reasonable questions that I would really like to get answers to, but if my asking is only going to insult everyone than I ceratinly have no reason to continue asking. just tell me whether or not you want to answer the tough questions or leave them alone and I will not bother anyone with them. But enough of these silly suggestions about me wanting to take over FIGU or be someone important, or insult people I do not know. It ridiculous to say the least. The questions I ask of FIGU and the opinions I have about their teachings and mission are based upon what I have been studying about them. These are reasonable and logical questions which I am only curious about bcause I am interested. I do not agree with everything that Billy teaches, but I do rspect his teachings highly. I am not aware that I had to either adopt the teachings fully or not at all. I still have many questions that arise as I read through them. If I cannot get the answers by asking in this forum that is not a problem to me. I do not know why it is such a problem for you all. If you do not have an answer, just dont reply. I am very curious why an organization with such an urgent mission, seeking followers to support their worthy cause, would set up a messageboard and then have no interest whatsoever about who or what comes into play. of that doesn't seem strange to you, fine, but don't condemn me for wondering about it. I have many questions about FIGU that I would love to have solved. Why is my curiosity such a bother to you people? Its beginning to seem like what you really want is for people to come here, study BEAMs teachings, and then never question them publicly at all. Just follow them and praise them. Its starting to sound very religious all of a sudden to me. These are just my thoughts and opinions and no one should be taking any of this personally. If FIGU would like to respond with some sincere answers to my questions it would be appreciated. if FIGU wants to say that the members on this forum do not represent their mission or thoughts, than why are they allowing this to be acknowledged as a FIGU messageboard? If members here would like to discuss these things then lets chat. But enough with the petty name calling and question dodging. I am a poor stupid man asking questions about what you peolple teach here. If you don't like being questioned, than don't read any posts with my name on them and that will solve your problem point blank. Hunter "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 |
