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    JPLagasse |
Hi all, Just a few thoughts... for whatever these are worth. I certainly agree with Anthony's observations for the most part, although Marc J. does define (what I think are) forum requirements made necessary (or proven so) by the posts above, in this topic string itself. Just a couple of points/thoughts: #1 Discus software (presently) has a deficiency in that "off topic" queued messages cannot be easily moved to other topics using the moderator's control panel. It takes far more time for a moderator to "move" a queued message than for the "poster" to simply re-post this into a correct topic string. No big deal perhaps... but multiply the "moderator time" required for this, by umpteen posts daily & this becomes a full time job...!!! Myself, I'd rather see the moderators have time for some sort of personal life off this forum, or for doing other stuff for/around the "Mission". Or(!!)... to have time to answer forum questions from their knowledge on the FIGU info. Each reply/answer of this type requires a lot of time to write up... especially when accuracy is required etc. If moderators need to spend their time: - moving messages - moderating and/or watching over "small talk" - trying to figure out the "edges" or "limits" of what to allow... in terms of "personal stuff" etc. not to mention trying to make sure this doesn't get out of hand (also etc.) - writing replies & explanations on all this... as seems to be required now??? This takes away from the time they could spend on actual FIGU related information. I suppose my views on this are with the recognition of how few people there are, who actually have access to accurate information particularly from the "German side" of the "Meier info". #2 There is certainly a growing interest in the Meier information, and there is a "community" which does communicate (behind the scenes) by various methods including mostly email. As this community grows, any "personal/small talk" communications traffic will grow as well. As there is a relatively small amount of "approved English translation" materials, many of us use this FIGU forum as a source of accurate information... but ONLY when such information exists. Trying to find such accurate information presently, is like sifting through the proverbial haystack looking for... (a you know what !!!) If the Moderators allowed "small talk" etc., within (only) a few decades, finding (& recognizing) any sort of "accurate information" here would be extremely time consuming... to say the least. And yet...(!!) Personal messages, "small talk", semi (& fully) off-topic discussions, "experimental thoughts" dealing with "other fields" of interest are all important/interesting/necessary to many/all of us. That is one of the reasons I/We produced the http://www.eduardmeier.org website. This site contains a Discus (freeware) forum & several chat rooms. Being a NON official site, yet "Meier friendly", anybody can yap to their hearts content about all sorts of stuff. Hopefully in some way Meier related, but this is not a requirement. Also among the intentions for producing this site, was to allow an avenue/method to alleviate unnecessary "personal" communications traffic from this FIGU forum. #3 "...Perhaps, all this forum is lacking is leadership and a sense of direction?" I've been thinking this over for a while now... & other associated thoughts. Given that there should be no "leaders" or "followers" and that we should somehow evolve into some form of "true community"... I think that Marc J & other moderators on this board have "allowed us" the opportunity to develop our own paths & methods for deriving our own destinies. Authoritive leadership would be counter-productive to this end. As such, there IS a form of "leadership", but in a much different way than we are accustomed to thinking. Is this approach somehow derived from understandings from the "Meier teachings"??? Perhaps. There may be a sense of wisdom here... either way. I am NOT a moderator on this FIGU forum & am a guest only, & can only express my own opinions/views/observations here. I'm not sure whether the moderators of this forum would agree with anything/everything I say about all this... for that matter either. Just a few thoughts... JP | ||
Larran New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2008 |
Greetings Mr Meier, I have begun the awakening process. 04071972, Thank you for your deligence. Dear Larren, Billy doesn't read the forum. Salome, Badr - Moderator | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 489 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello Badr and other forum moderators, I would like to ask you something. It is going to sound harsh, but I can't resist asking. I have noticed that you guys, in particular Badr, have all been very patient about putting up with people on the forum constantly and blatantly disregarding the forum rules and format. I understand your leniency with newer members, but with members who have been around as long as many of the offending people have, I cannot understand why you do not just not deny the posts that do not comply with the rules, rather than endlessly, and over graciously putting up with the disregard for the rules and saying "Please get back on topic" a bazillion times with none of the offending people listening!?! As I said, this may sound harsh, but I would like to know why you can't just let the rules be the rules and stop supporting childish behaviour (in this case, disregarding the rules). There are of course "grey areas" but so often the posts have NOTHING AT ALL to do with where they are posted. I feel bad that you guys are given extra work because others don't choose to pay attention and/or follow the given format. Sorry for the rant, but I find it upsetting. Maybe it is a fault of mine to let little things disturb me, but in this case I think that you do yourselves an injustice to let people walk all over the rules and ignore your freely donated time and effort in maintaining this forum, which we all value (I hope)... Very respectfully, Thomas Hall | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 390 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Thomas, Hope you and your family are well. I understand your point, and you have a right to speak up. Just keep in mind you only see the posts that are approved and have no clue how many get rejected. I can tell you that quite a few get rejected and more frequent than you think. Occasionally things slip through, but what is most common when a question is asked or something discussed but suddenly the topic changes within less than 2 posts. It happens to us all. Some do notice the change of topic and move it elsewhere on the forum or they turn the discussion back to the original question or discussion but not as frequent as it should. Scott and I are trying our best… Last but not least thanks for your kind words Salome, Badr | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1492 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Thomas, Please feel free to speak up if you disagree with something which has been posted. Sometimes my brain gets a bit fuzzy, and I miss the non-relevence of a post...Badr has been a great asset in re-shaping the many topic areas which were truly NON-FIGU related....in my opinion the structure is more clearly defined and focused.. Regards Scott | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1158 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Guys..... Thomas, I think Badr and Scott do an excellent job in their work, but it can sometimes create a situation of that a posting can have a 'connection' relevance incorporated, that they, one of the moderators can not 'detect', so to speak. Which may look that One is off the topic, but which is not. Thus, it can be that Badr or Scott process it from another point of view. As sometimes I give such answer in a posting to let the individual asking the question, to SEE/THINK....Further....than what is written. And if this can not be detected, alas for the individual, and even the moderator. The above has been discussed in the past also, to some point. And of course, there is a limit, without doubt, to when a posting truly projects itself....beyond the concerning topic, which than...should indeed be made known, that the posting is indeed: off the topic. So, if the posting get through: you win one, and if it does not: you lose one, simple as that. As to my 'difference' with Badr, concerning a posting to Melli, I still thank Badr for letting me speak out my point of view, even though he disagrees; and for letting the posting get through. Thus, he may see the relevance of my answer to some point(, indirectly)? [And I did hesitate to post in at the string, as example he mentioned: Races; but for me it could just as well be posted where I posted it, seeing the connection relevance.] No harm intended, I may just have been 'pulling his leg', by naming him - Junior -, which he should just take with a grain of salt. BTW: the last time I called him Junior, was when he become moderator, and I mentioned to him, by my self, that I will call you/him now, by his real name Badr, also from respect, and it was more proper in it's place. But still, if Badr and Scott have another point of view within the contents of a posting, it is indeed up to them to do what they wish. And I have no problems with that. After all, I have seen the many changes going on on this board ever since it started. And, again, the mentioned is just a 'rerun' of the past. All I can further say is: We will see where the ship strands....as they say. Edward. | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hello all. Just an Observation. i noticed that when members of this forum are posting their header, a vast majority of the time it starts with "dear so and so". Although a post to billy can be considered a letter, all the other posts cannot. Perhaps we should do the logical move and use Hey or hi in our forum posts. Again, just an observation (food for thought).  Salome... Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. - Ozzy Osbourne | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 06-2008 |
To moderators, An issue that has been on my mind since i joined the forum is this: This forum is totally censored. It's G-Rated. If someone has a provocitive idea it isn't allowed to be posted on the forum. Although you need to be 13 or older to use this forum, the moderators can easily use a disclaimer upon joining the forum that the ideas and statements of its users arent nessicarily the viewpoints of its staff...like they use on the television. Although i dont believe that all of our users have the same personality, it sure appears that way! Am I the only one who's thought about this? Or am i the only non-nerdy type on the forum? I just don't know. It might also look good for figu if this censorship is to stop because it gives figu the image of being a relaxed organization or discussion group. Again, food for thought. Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. - Ozzy Osbourne | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 398 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Jpm, Not sure what you mean by totally censored, but if you mean by needing to approve posts, that was a recommendation from the Plejarens. It has been discussed previously on the forum if I am not mistaken. The posts that are rejected are when they are of attacking nature against another member or FIGU itself, only recently when the posts are not related to FIGU topics and material they are also rejected. Being a relaxed organization doesn't mean that we can't protect this forum from malicious people trying to sabotage the forum, and the only way is as it is now. Unless you have another suggestion of a way to protect the forum from being misused? Salome, Badr | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 06-2008 |
Well, I think that the only posts that should be censored are ones that go out of their way to offend. If someone wants to share his/her experiences in real life. i.e. experimentation with drugs and sex, than i dont see what's so bad about that. If the plejarens have sexual friends as billy claims, i dont see why we can't discuss our encounters with women either. We have to experience the dark side sometimes too. Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. - Ozzy Osbourne | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 06-2008 |
Badr, I posted a half an hour ago. was it censored? Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. - Ozzy Osbourne | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 399 Registered: 12-2004 |
Jpm, How about chill and take a deep breath, you think Scott and me have no lives or jobs or families? This forum is for FIGU related discussions, point. If you don't like it then leave. PS: You can always create a blog elsewhere if you really need to share your experiences in life. Salome, Badr | ||
James Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 07-2005 |
Jpm I no longer start my questions to Billy with "Dear Billy" or even a "Hello" anymore. I've also ceased inserting greetings before most posts on online forums when it began feeling old a while back. It doesn't add anything useful to the message and is more of a formality that probably carries over from letter, email or at the start of a phone conversation where communication is one-on-one and therefore more intimate. Seeing a greeting at the start of every message makes the discussions feel too formal. Welcome to Earth! | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 246 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Jpm, Well one of thet main reason why a person might write a "dear" or "hello" is because, every human being has to be given a required amount of respect. Atleast thats what I think anyway. I always start my posts with a dear of Hi, any greeting. It just shows that you want to polite to the other person. As for the censoring part Badr has already told you about it. Salome, Aditya | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1498 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello JPM, From my experience on this forum, if conservations aren't throttled back and controlled the structure breaks down and there is no order to things. This has happened more than once and it makes it almost impossible to moderate. The forum used to be completely open, with users being able to create their own topics etc...this led to much duplication and confusion especially from new users. Personally, I think the forum is more focused now and the caliber of the conversations has grown. Regards Scott | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 412 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi again Peter, To continue what I started in the topic… http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/89.html?1220141182#POST34516 As a first note the reason I wrote it there is because JPM wrote it in that specific topic, don’t ask me why he chose that place. There are many posts that are rejected without a comment, but a while ago one of the forum members expressed that the moderators need to mention to other members when someone has crossed a line. As they preferred knowing what kind of people are behind those fake names and so on. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, although you think such a move is childish, what I think childish is when someone writs something and then backs down, although JPM hasn’t taken a stand, Why did he write such a thing on the forum if he didn’t already want you all to see it, so to me that’s not gossip, that’s just keeping you guys in the light about when your fellow members have crossed a line. We moderators are human beings and that’s nothing special other than having to read all the posts and make the hard decision of approving some things and keeping things organized, and so we are prone to mistakes too, so of course if someone disagrees with me then I would be happy and not share such info with the rest of you. Back to your post its ok to mention your theories and thoughts, you just need to make sure you say it, like in my opinion or I have a theory… and so on, would be advisable. Salome, Badr | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 268 Registered: 10-2007 |
I fully approve of this...: > The posts that are rejected are when they are of attacking nature against another member or FIGU itself" < I do no fully approve of this...: > only recently when the posts are not related to FIGU topics and material they are also rejected." < Recently, I did a great amount of research on aspects of Astrology. When I was ready to post what I had, I found the Forum section on Astrology to be closed. Then I tried to post in alternate section, and it never saw the light of day. That made me feel a bit hurt, but understand the reasoning. I think the closing of so many sections has gone a little too deep, There IS a need for an area to post Non-FIGU opinions and ideas. Ideas lead to questions, which leads to knowledge, which leads to growth. As to so-called 'censorship', I think it best if we will all censor ourselves, moderators should not have to do any such thing. As we (most of us, anyway) are here to gain Spiritual growth, these Forums really are not a place to vent vulgar negativity. We each are the Captains of our own Ship of the Spirit. We each are responsible for the direction our own ship will steer. A great fortune is that we need not sail uncharted waters. The Plejarens and others have gone before us. Salome Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU? J_rod7 | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 431 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello again badr, i understand what you are saying, but i still think "As a first note the reason I wrote it there is because JPM wrote it in that specific topic..." is a poor excuse. sometimes people act on emotion rather than common sense. since as you say "we moderators are human", then it is obviously understandable. i know you are not perfect, i just wanted you to see something perhaps from a different point of view. i know many posts are rejected. sometimes i have a lapse in good judgement, as per example one of my posts which were well meaning , were unfortunately crude in it's presentation. thus either you or someone else rejected it. thank goodness. i understand your love for the truth, just offering you a different pair of eyes why did jpm try to post what he did, i am not sure. i am not sure how much other people want to know those things, i am sure many do. i just wanted to be clear and felt you can learn something from your actions, it was the least i could do since you pointed out the carelessness in some of mine. | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 06-2008 |
to moderator, May someone please change my question to Billy to one that is important to me. I know he will not trace my spiritform, however, i would like to ask him if my assumptions about Pelegon are correct...I can email Scott my assumptions... "if central truth was a reality at lowly levels of the human-psyche, evolution would not be possible." - JPM | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1515 Registered: 12-1999 |
JPM, Your question will remain as you submitted it. You can ask him (Billy) about your assumptions concerning Pelegon on the next round of questions. You are also free to write to the Semjase Silver Star Center. Scott | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 06-2008 |
Thank you for that information, Scott. "if central truth was a reality at lowly levels of the human-psyche, evolution would not be possible." - JPM | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 06-2008 |
I shot you an email Scott, please examine the contents... "if central truth was a reality at lowly levels of the human-psyche, evolution would not be possible." - JPM | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 06-2008 |
where r my posts on this forum? i just want to inform this forum that the police are watching my computer and the posts i make on this forum............ billy meier's information might be getting me into serious legal trouble at this point in time.......... i'd like a reply by the moderators if possible...... "if central truth was a reality at lowly levels of the human-psyche, evolution would not be possible." - Jay (Jpm) |
