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    Edward Member Post Number: 1266 Registered: 05-2002 |
Capitalizing Letters in posts! -------------------------------- Hi Scott....; will post here, ok. Billy (and the Plejarans) did mention WHY certain individuals, even him, write in such fashion. It is NOT a habit, Scott: it is Ancient! If/when you find the information where it is being made clear, you will know it all in the details. It IS, mentioned in the Contact Notes and elsewhere, as I have read it...in the past. BTW: I have always...written, in the fashion you see before you with - Emphasizing with Capital Letters - so every now and than, as others do, as you mentioned). And it is a relief...Billy mentioning WHY certain individuals, do so. So, I am not sure if your Capitalzing post is even directed towards me? But now, in any case: you Know why. Edward. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1636 Registered: 12-1999 |
Eduard, My statement was directed to those people who insist on capitalizing nouns within a sentence when this is not the accepted standard. Please read what I stated carefully, before jumping the gun. Scott | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1267 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott.... No was not jumping the gun. Was just mentioning myself, as example. I know what you mean. Just to be sure (for us all)...example below, How do you mean, like this: given the PUBLIC MATERIALS or given the Public Materials? Which one, are you implaying to? Edward. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 190 Registered: 07-2008 |
Kamerad Thomas in post 571, Point taken; thanks. I actually do not 'judge' people/members; i just appreciate their thoughts on a specific matter at a specific time. All the best to you and salome, Adam. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 513 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Proper nouns should ALWAYS be capitalized. Matthew has also discussed Capitalization in prior Posts, and I found his arguments thereof to be quite compelling, to which I also agree. Scott, I'm trying to understand your Position. But this does not seem to be an important Issue, especially in light of the problems, ideas, solutions being discussed in these Forums. And not to the significance of imposing Rules on personal writing styles. You could just as well control all use of any 'slang,' or some writers who capitalize NOTHING, leave out any or all punctuation, mis-spell, or use foreign language in their Posts. ifeveryonewilljustfollowtheseruleswewillgetalongithinkthislooksandreadsbetterseewhatimean Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 514 Registered: 10-2007 |
+> OF COURSE, WE ALL COULD JUST LEAVE THE 'CAPS LOCK' ON, BUT THEN IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WE ARE ALL SHOUTING AT EACH OTHER +> From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 715 Registered: 10-2000 |
Is it really asking too much to leave the spelling as it is and has been, in British-English English and/or American English, just as it is contained in the approved translations of FIGU material, let alone 99.9% of all other published English texts? Is it not enough to be presenting to the world information of this caliber, with all attending challenges due to the nature of the claimed sources, etc.? Is there some benefit that actually supersedes presenting the material unadorned by artifice, unencumbered by provocative, cultic embellishment? Could we not focus on discovering and discussing the truths within the material? And, if the temptation to tamper is so irresistible, perhaps an earlier suggestion of mine might be adopted, i.e. a separate online playroom, a little club for those who want to create their new language. The participants could invite forum members and others to partake of their whimsy separately from this forum. The next logical movement might then be to carry this to the Spanish, Italian and other forms. And, once the novelty has really worn off, perhaps you might get the German language group to stop capitalizing their nouns, for whatever reasons you'd like to invent. And, since you've mentioned Matthew, wouldn't it be nice if he'd apply his knowledge of German to producing translations - and submitting them for FIGU approval? Or is there not enough turmoil to be created by focusing on such contributions? Michael Horn | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 716 Registered: 10-2000 |
P.S. in case I'm missing something here, a suggestion. While we are certainly dealing with the most cutting edge information available, I for one wouldn't mind playing catch up in regards to this language-spelling thing. By that I mean, let the devotees of the capitalize the nouns club begin submitting their emails, etc. to their friends, family, news groups, letters to editors, etc. in the new spelling and start convincing them to use this "correct" English. As it becomes the norm, as it certainly must, no (?) we could catch up here on the FIGU forum. Sure, we might appear to be a bit behind the times then but that might actually be a refreshing position, for once. Michael Horn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 518 Registered: 10-2007 |
. ... well ok michael. i think i see your point, but if you keep your cap on, no one will notice. ... . From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 393 Registered: 08-2004 |
I must say that I support Scott's suggestion. This is an English forum not a Deagalish forum. Visitors expect to read in accepted English in an English forum. I might even go so far as to suggest that the English of England only is to be used on this forum as it is that form recommended by the Plajaren, and is commonly accepted around the world as accurate and intelligible. I'm sure Matthew's intention is honorable and to improve the English language, but this is not the place to insist that everyone comply with his version of what an improved English version should be. I actually have a real interest in his attempts, but their imposition just does not belong here on a regular basis. I regard his result as actually a further bastardization of the English language which will only further its dissolution or dissipation as hinted at by the Plejaren. In English there are both proper nouns and common nouns and the initial capitalization informs us of a specific characteristic of those things being mentioned; aiding or adding to comprehension. To erase this commonly accepted feature of both universally accepted forms of English (British and American English) on this forum leads only to increased confusion on the part of readers and visitors here. I often have to pause when reading and wonder whether Matthew is writing about something named or not, coupled with his many other attempts at remodeling the English language his posts are sometimes left just incomprehensible for readers of an English forum. I would suggest that before he insists on others accepting his form of English here he has to convince the world that his version of English is somehow better than the English of England recommended by the Plejaren ("English English") as the form to be used. Surely this English of England is the form of English we should preferably be endeavouring to if not actually using on this forum. I address this to myself too, an Englishman who writes now in American English due to it initially being the only version available on computers. I am seriously thinking of changing back to writing in British English. If the forum should decide to go British English perhaps someone could post up how to change the computer settings for British English. BTW -- presumably, Scott, this new form of capitalized computer English is acceptable for the forum, it now being an accepted form of the English language -- stress or emphasis in English is represented by writing the word or words in italics while capitals are avoided due to their tendency to emotionally shout words out. Capitalized words are avoided by standard writers of English. They are very seldom seen in published papers and books for the simple reason that if one expresses oneself adequately it is unnecessary to shout. Shouting adds nothing to an explanation, usually has negative reception, and is often taken personally. With intention, especially emotional intent, often so difficult to read in online posts it is a common courtesy to others to avoid the use of shouting capitals when italics (commonly accepted as the form in the major English writing styles) quite suffice. It is a pleasure and testament to attempts at clear unambiguous communication to see that capitals are not generally shouted out on this forum compared with many other forums where posts are often a cacophony of words and phrases difficult to comprehend in intent and meaning, usually because the writers are unfamiliar with any standard English writing style of either England or America. So I support Scott's suggestion wholeheartedly and to Matthew I would say, "Do keep up your research and endeavours with the English language and others, Matthew. They are fascinating. I'd love to discuss them with you one day but here is not the place." Chris | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 10-2007 |
sorry, Corey | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Scott, Regarding your post number 1635, and my proposal post number 55, in this tread; yes, you are reading my intention perfectly; and thank you for your support and the opportunity to enable us to try this out. As soon as the tread is open under the proposed name, “Questions to Billy Submitted for Peer Review”; that is, if the title is found suitable, we can start trying this out. So far, there are three interested members; namely: 1. Creational (Zhila) 2. Phi spiral (Bob) 3. J_Rod7 (Rod) IMO, three is actually a good starting number as an Old Persian proverb states: Not prior to three, can The game be played. So, let’s play!  Salome Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1270 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... Yes, of course we all have good intentions. It can happen that some words are not Capitalized properly to a viewer/reader because, it should not be Capitalized. Billy also mentioned this with Ptaah, as I can recall. And Ptaah, spoke to Billy about this because, Billy DID....write in such manner, so every now and than, and as he noticed other people did. I can understand WHY.....Billy writes in such manner because, he put the Emphases in that certain word, he things should Make-The-Point, i.e, be Focused upon. So, it was not really in the sense that Billy did not write unknowledgeablely. And as what I know from asking the English teachers at the schools I worked, they too...explained just as the above mentioned. Standard Grammar is indeed, the Mainstream spelling with the proper Capitalizing on the right words; and they see NO harm in spelling in such manner (non nouns) if it is done to get a point across, with writing in such nature. Sometimes One needs too Capitalize a word which is not regular...to Focus the point which One wants to project to a reader. But, of course, when One is writing for a Book or some other type of broad public viewing intent; internet News bulletins, etc., than it should be done in Mainstream proper English Grammar writing. [Michael's website writing SHOULD...indeed be of the quality of the Mainstream English Grammar writing, for example...without doubt; which should not be compared with a(ny) Discussion board writing Styles.] But, seeing we are on a discussion board, many Different types of people attend, and all write Differently...the majority. And it should just be Tolerated, with the knowledge that not all of these individuals are educated in writing but, only a few. Even I...have some hurdle problems at times, which I am not ashamed to admit. But, I do try hard to put all the dots on the "i's" as they should. Some postings just come out better...than others. Which is a Natural Aspect, I would think. NO ONE...is perfect, not? I think there is even someone on this board whom writes 'i' just as you see it before you. And when it should be, as we all know: I. I do not think any of the moderators had said anything about this, yet...to that individual? So, if we all should write in the Mainstream fashion, we should also tap the above mentioned boardee, on his/her fingers? But, if we all should write in the Mainstream Grammar Fashion, I have no problem. Will just write 'simple' and 'clean' without the Dings and Dongs, so to speak. I mean, I only write in such fashion if I were to apply for work, or write a letter to the government, what ever else. So, if our individual way of Writing Expressions is to be taken away from us all: So Be It! If Billy feels we should do so, even...HERE....on this discussion board, than we all should proceed in such manner. No need...to make a fuss. Edward. | ||
Matthew_deagle New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2007 |
Astonishing that you, Michael, suggest that a formulated and standardised, freely-chosen Method of writing English, is unacceptable to the Degree that you would campaign against it, yet you have made no Mention of the horrendously bad Grammar and Unpunctuation of a Number of other Members' Posts. You do not seem to understand the Doctrine of Free Will and thus of Love, nor do you understand Progress. You do not seem to know the History of the Capitalisation of english Nouns, either. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_deagle New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2007 |
And could you please clarify what on Earth you mean through 'cultic'? Salome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_deagle New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2007 |
The only Person in 'turmoil' over these deeper Investigations into the English Language seems to be you, Michael. I am not forcing any Styles or Methods on you, and I have also promised to include a more common-styled Translation -with every neoverbal Translation-. What do you not understand about that? Perhaps you are simply concerned about Appearance and Money-Making? Salome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_deagle New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2007 |
Your Imagination of what is novel and what is 'behind the times' is also uncorrect: My Choice to translate more with Care for Interpretation than for Commonality is specifically rooted in -Tradition- and not in the Merely Novel. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 471 Registered: 04-2006 |
Capitalization/no capitalization = Form over Function. As a reader of spanish, english and german texts, i consider this capitalization of nouns in spanish, english, french or whatever language plain stupid. It's just a pure orthographic thing, without any kind of comprehensive effect on the reader. But this capitalizing thing creates confusion and an atmosphere of rejection of the "new language" which is being "redesigned" without previous consensus. I will never recommend to use strange variations of english/spanish/french which provoke allergic, "ulceratic" reactions on the reader, who will certainly reject a strange adulterated version of his own language. Capitalizing nouns is not the norm in english. Let it that way. Capitalizing nouns is the norm in German, so.......learn german if you want to inmmerse yourself in the unadulterated language of the spirit teachings. It's not so difficult! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1637 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Zhila, I have created the following new topic area: http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/show.cgi?12/9502 I don't want this to become just another misc. topic area for general discussion. I am going to leave it up to you to keep it organized and focused. Good luck  Regards Scott | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 394 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Edward, No one is perfect indeed, in expression of language too. Upon checking I notice that neither Websters nor the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary have an entry for the "b" word I used above. I had always thought it authentic. We all make errors and there's no need to make too much of a fuss over those. If people do their best to communicate clearly in ways that others can understand no one should expect more of them. Kind regards, Chris | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 568 Registered: 07-2004 |
Ones company, Two's a crowd, Three with a good idea should be allowed. Congradulations Zhila! Others have tried to proposition another topic in the questions to Billy zone and were never rewarded as wonderfully as you. Jealousy is my challenge here. Well done my friend. Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 250 Registered: 10-2008 |
You guys must really get PIssed when readin my posts! Have any of you scolars ever comnsidered the fact that some of just dont type good or care about the perfection of grammar when rtying to get our points across? I type with the two fingers and if I was to go back over every post with frugality I would be correcting typos all day and seacrching tyhrough the dictionary for the right words to use. Why do we have to worry about these things here in a forum where we are discussing the politics of interaction between ETs and Terrans? It seems that some might be paying closer attention to how we post than what we say in them. sure we have to make some effort to be intelligible, ( is that a word ?), but if we get the point across so its understandable who cares whether all the Is were dotted? Maybe this has something to do with the translating factors that I am unaware of? Hunter "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 569 Registered: 07-2004 |
Matthew, "And could you please clarify what on Earth you mean through 'cultic'? " I first used this very creative word to simply point out the actual sensation one could easily come away with when encountering your redirection of Billy's materials. If it wasn't a real word(like many of your inventions) it should be in your case. Lets see, cult, well that's not to hard to comprehend its modern meaning. Or am I supposing to much at this idea you could grasp what this, 'cultic', word would describe? Myself, I'm not really all that concerned that you desire to direct valuable energy towards rubbing all(OK, many) your fellow members here the wrong way. My concern comes about when you do post your view of the English language with Billy's material as the vehicle. Is it possible, as it has been suggested, that you invade the rest of the world with this goal of yours and help maintain the real focus of what this forum is about and will always be about, the truth. a friend in america Shawn |
