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    Jamesm Member Post Number: 129 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hello Paarth, I am a married man with 2 daughters aged 4 and 2. My wife is a God-believer, a materialist and a Meier-critic even though she has only seen a few DVDs but not spent time actually reading anything from Meier. I have changed over the past couple of years towards following the spiritual teachings gradually more and more. I still occasionally indulge in mild materialism and mind phantasms and fantasies etc and I occasionally shout at her (and my 4 year old!) but I catch myself soon after and apologise. I gave up smoking and computer gaming. I help around the house a lot more. She has not demanded the crown jewels and for that I am happy! I am not perfect and neither is she (in my opinion she shouts a lot more than I!). She accepts the time I spend reading Meier and working on the website because the core of it is to help mankind achieve a peaceful way of life among mankind, globally. I accept her beliefs because she is a human spirit equal to myself and with the same rights to think and believe what she wants. Perhaps next life she'll overcome the God-belief! We both make mistakes with our actions and with the spoken words because we are both still learners (just like everyone) but I would rather learn with her than without her. Divorce has reared its ugly head before but I have learnt to avoid it because it really is the last option. Billy also has mentioned that it should be the last option. Short of her demanding a divorce or a life being threatened in some way unless we get divorced, I will never go through with a divorce. I will always do whatever is necessary to avoid divorce, whatever it takes, within reason and the law. Could you possibly learn to accept each others' differences and faults? Can either of you give up something or do something new in order to stay together? If so why can't it be done? The bottom line is that we are all imperfect and we are all learning from our mistakes. Mistakes will continue to happen throughout our lives and we must simply accept that we made them, then try to learn from them and do the right thing (and take positive pleasure in doing so!). Your son of course will of course grow up differently, more confident and perhaps happier, if you are around most days of the week. Just think of the love you can continue to give him if you stay around as well. Children do need both father and mother to nurture them. This is another one of those reasons making divorce a final option. Weigh all this against your own desires and then prioritise them. If you end up getting a divorce will you be able to say to yourself, "I tried everything to avoid it and I had no choice in the end"? And yes so too does "it takes two to tango" also hold some truth in it. I hope I haven't come across as a lecturer or a waffler. Kind regards James G. T. Moore Webmaster www.futureofmankind.co.uk | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 615 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Paarth Welcome aboard  Perhaps would it be that you are spending too much time in studying Billy's teaching and forget spending enough time with your family member? I think we must strike the balance though ... Salome Savio | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 238 Registered: 07-2008 |
Dear Paarth, I have no advice for you, rather plenty of understanding: i wasn't married, contrary to you and Jamesm, but i sure know how it feels! I was facing almost the same situation, that is a kind of weird combination of your case and that of Jamesm, a couple of months ago. We are no longer together - it is indeed so, Herr Rod. It was pretty difficult, but i found strength, some neutral-positive resignation, so to speak, and plenty of comfort in the Spiritual Teachings. Also the personal example of Herr Meier, as made available to us by Dyson and Vivienne(post 780: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/8698.html?1199402347) at a critical for me time, helped me through. Be courageous, friend; you shall find your own way. Salome to you and to all, Adam. | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 69 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hello Paarth, It's been about three years into the meier material for me. My wife is a devout christian and I cannot share any of this with her as I know that she would not be able to handle it. I tried to share with her some of my thoughts early in our marriage with very negative results. When I was first exposed to the Meier truths I reacted with shock and disgust over being lied to, like the Russian guy that went back in time with Asket and Billy, but I have changed so much in such a short time because of my outlook towards others. I am much more accepting and patient with people as I perceive their potential and where we are all headed ultimately in our evolution of Spirit. At first I thought I must tell everyone and expose this to all but fortunately wisdom prevailed and I now only speak of it to those that prove themselves to be open minded to not trample the pearls. Jmmanuel made reference to whom you put your trust into in regard to the truth as they will turn on you and rip you to shreds. I do have two sons that I am currently talking to about Billy and his amazing truths with in strict confidence as they know their Mother's reaction to this would not be good for her and I do value my marriage highly so I work and study quietly for the most part, spending my alone time as wisely as possible. Try to take the long view of creation when evaluating yourself and your situation as what seems to be unchangeable and unmanageable at one point in life can become workable and tolerable as a person sincerely works on themselves over time. Peace to you, Matt | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 655 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Dear friend Paarth, First to say, Welcome to the Forums. Please do stay around with us a while. From your studies, you may have some valuable thoughts to contribute. All Perspectives of Creation and the Spiritual Truths are worthy here. For the situation of your marriage, I can both relate and empathize. My first marriage was a rush to 'defend the honor' of the woman pregnant with my first-born son. Because Love was not the basis of this union, we could not endure. I am in my second marriage, which has endured in peace, love and happiness now some 30-years. You should both sit down together, and ask each other if LOVE was and is in both of your hearts and true feelings for each other. If this is true for both of you, you must work together to save your union. Set the example with complete candor and honesty. You NEED each other in these tumultuous times - economic collapse, wars, looming shortages of the essentials, and the breakdown in the social order. Your Son needs you both in his life as well = from his mother to learn compassion, and from his father to learn wisdom. In Peace *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 656 Registered: 10-2007 |
******* Forgiveness is Essential to Love ******* You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Paarth New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2009 |
Dear Forum members Jamesm, Savio, Phenix, Redbeard, and Rod, Your replies reaffirm my already strong feelings of love and gratefulness first and foremost for having discovered the treasures of the spiritual teachings. You folks really exude understanding. My situation continues to deteriorate with my wife as she is quite vengeful. I cannot and should not go into details, but it looks like the last option will become reality and I must face the tough journey ahead of me. I will remain open-minded but I believe this is my path and I have to accept it. I currently fight with feelings of public shame, of scrutiny from those around as I am currently in a somewhat public existence. I wish that love would prevail in both of our hearts, and that we could arrive at a common ground to move forward, but I am following my instincts. Our fundamental disagreements are that I feel that both of us are responsible for our current predicament and that both of us should contribute to building bridges but she argues these points till her mouth froths with anger and contempt. It is inhuman. It is hard to see. The most difficult part is that the solution is so obvious, just love. What a journey this life is. I will not continue to burden this forum with my personal problems as this is my path and I must figure it out myself. I hope to meet some or all of you someday. Regardless of my path, I somehow keep generating strength from within to smile, to think about the worlds outside of our own, about the endless existence of our spirit and slowly, somehow, through this most difficult time for me, peace is somehow found. Salome Paarth | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 657 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Friend Paarth, The journey through life is fraught with hardships, pain, pleasure, and beauty. Polarity in everything. Every event, 'chance' meeting, occurrence, broken bone, gain or loss, has presented me with some opportunity to learn something for the growth of my Spirit. Such lessons have brought me to greater levels of compassion, tolerance, understanding, love, acceptance and clarity. The value of your lessons will become clear to you "in hindsight," and with contemplation. Good Journey, Friend We are always here Salome *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 478 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Paarth welcome to the forum...Whatever decisions you take in your life, be sure you don't rush to make everything worse.....Always try to unite individuals and groups, do never divide....I know it is easily said....There must be a common ground where it is possible to combine and mix family with spirit teachings. You still haven't find the right key, the right combination, but i guess it's there, right before your eyes. In the future, many like you and us will be forced to study the spirit teachings in secrecy, in anonimity because the teachings will face enormous rejection, repulse....Nobody said it was going to be easy, but living according to the laws and commandments of creation should not become, turn into some kind of "martyrdom".... I hope you find the solution....anyway, best wishes and thanks for sharing your case with us... | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 662 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Hello to 'All-ah We here' These few words may have meaning for each among us...: [ "Truly, life is struggle, a repetitive dispute within one's own self. There are always the current events in life that try to divert our attention and thoughts by pushing themselves into the foreground. However, without fail, true reason will always break forth. It does not matter whether it is drowned out by noise, covered up, distracted, overburdened, stuffed to the brim, true reason is always present, ready to break through the mound of confusion, even though it may be only a hint of a smile. A smile that stands above all else, invincible, sublime..." ] Source: -"Billy" Eduard Albert Meier http://us.figu.org/portal/SpiritualTeachings/LifeintheSpiritualandPhysical/tabid/92/Default.aspx Salome *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1321 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Paarth.... Welcome to the FIGU board. Well, Savio and Hector make it short and to the point. There must be - Balance - when the Spiritual Teachings is within the grasp of a family or body of individuals. One of the first aspects that is mentioned, within the FIGU Manifesto, if to approach any individual(s) whom are not acquainted with The Spiritual Teachings...with Caution. With the knowledge, that in the times we exist in...presently, there is quite a reflection of negativity even, when related to many of our todays (Cult) Religions/Beliefs. Thus, the Spiritual Teachings should not be 'rushed' into any environment, or body of individuals. Jmmanuel, mentioned that, if it would ever come to a point which can generate friction or related, one should just stand up and wander off silently...to retain his well being and livelihood. One should NOT strive to 'convert/force' any individual; than, make the Spiritual Teachings a Personal matter, for YOUR OWN individual, only! Even applying the Spiritual Teachings (and other related materials by Billy) can break up any family. And this is due, to the Ignorance of the opposition, in must cases. They are just too Conservative and too Spoon Feed with the well know Cult Religions, False Dogmas...which they are Indoctrinated with. Truly, many on this board can Identify with you. But, as Billy once said: that two, that are different in a relationship can LEARN from each other, even though....they may be Opposite Poles; so to speak. But of course, this is all up to you....through your own Self Determination and Free Will. Well to keep this in mind, Paarth. May Creational impulses...guide....you.... Edward. | ||
Paarth New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2009 |
Dear Friends, My sincere regards to you all at this moment in time. Your words help me to think for myself, to reassure myself that I am on the right path whatever that may be. I am slowing down the process of separation, and recently made an effort to bring a cake on her birthday, even though I told myself that I would not be the only one to make efforts. She thanked me for the sweet gesture and it brought a smile to her face. I am currently struggling with my own thoughts of whether this relationship is the right path forward for the sake of my 2.5 month old son and my wife or whether I should leave in search for a new path. I am constantly reminded of the journey of so many others, so many different decisions, but no real sure answer. I'm trying to listen to my spirit, for I know that I made a promise at the time of marriage. But on the other hand, I feel sometimes that I am trapped, and that I know is not the journey of a free man. I have many people around me, offering advice and suggestions, but I know the only real truth will come from myself. I will continue to ponder the decision, continue to work on myself to arrive at the truth. Thanks to you folks, whom I share such an intimate yet distant connection. I have never been so sure of anything as I am of the principle of love. I wish to share this love with my wife, but if this relationship does not last, I hope more good will come of it for everyone involved. My best wishes to you. Please share your creational ideas with me if you are so inspired. Warmest regards, Paarth | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 117 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hello Paarth ; Is this really a place to discuss your marriage ? I know that you are reaching out , and although my words seem cold to you , try to understand how they were formed with logic . I could not find an easier way to state it , i did not have 3 or 4 hours to dedicate to wording it in a more caring way . I am inspired to say , Man Up . MC | ||
Paarth New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2009 |
Hi Mark, I understand that you may not feel comfortable talking about my issues. But who knows maybe someone may derive some benefit from this discussion as this is a somewhat public forum. While I do trust that people on this forum have quite a bit of intelligence and empathy, some certainly have other points of view. I must say though, isnt the topic of this thread "human relationships?" There is a no more personal and thought provoking subject as marital discord--and in that vein no better a subject to learn from and share personal treasures. Best wishes, Paarth | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 225 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Paarth, The core of these teachings is self responsibility. The greater the challenge, the greater the lesson learned, depending significantly on one’s solution. There also seem to be an internal challenge for most of us since there exists only a handful of people on earth sharing our unique passion about Billy’s material at this point in time. Let’s face it, this realistically situates us as the outcast and not the other way around. This is then more your challenge than hers. Every single one of us are at our own level of spirit, while we all are all but one. Think of the innumerable lines created by a ripple on a body of water. While each has its own frequency, they are an inseparable part of the entire wave. Think of your dear, and innocent child, your wife and yourself as one. Time and the irreplaceable sweetness and laughter of your growing child will find a solution to this personal challenge of yours. You owe it to his well being to do your best. Also, the material is often pro unity, and against separation. There is a recent translation that I can not seem to be able to locate . It is about an issue Billy had with his wife and her apparent attack on him. The piece brought tear to my eyes due to the greatness of our teacher's character. During his conversation with his contact however, Billy implied that no matter what, his marriage is virtuously a lifelong commitment. Although he was not in the best mood right after this great atrocity, he announced that the only way he would end his commitment is when she walks. That my friend , is saying a lot to us. Every single conversation of Billy contains a profound lesson to be learned by us. I highly recommend you find and read this and take it deep into your heart and mind. Meanwhile, if I could find it, I will definitely post it for you. Remember, like all great teachers, Billy too is teaching by example. Love, Peace, Logic and Wisdom, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 696 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Friend Paarth, Well spoken (written) = [ "the topic of this thread (is) "human relationships?" There is a no more personal and thought provoking subject as marital discord--and in that vein no better a subject to learn from and share personal treasures." ] Certainly, this discussion leads myself ( and others here, as well) to contemplation. To share our burdens with one another, in itself, is an act of love. These Forums EXIST so we may point out the Signs of Spiritual Evolution, the Signs of Creation that we each may discover along our own paths - TO ONE ANOTHER. No two follow the exact same path, but every path does take us to the same Light. Now, if you will, do please contemplate these words from Billy, from Contact 218...: [ " Billy That may be, yet I still actually wanted to say something more: see, in regards to my wife, I affirmed that I will stand by her in good as well as bad times. That may be only an unconsidered and empty phrase for many humans in the case of their marriage or other occasions, not, however, for me, because I actually contemplated these words and this promise very precisely before it had progressed such that I could stand by them with a clear conscience. My thoughts in this regard already began with Sfath and it was consequently already clear to me as a boy what these words and this promise actually signify in their sense and what value they have hidden within them. Therefore the recognition as well as the conviction and the decision matured in me that, during my entire life, come what may, I would never break my word or promise. What is more, I am able to still remember that this resolution arose in me sometime in the month of April or May after my seventh birthday. Anyway, the dandelions, the lady's smock, as well as many other flowers, were blooming in the meadows. Everything was also blooming in the gardens. Also the hawthorn bushes and various bushes of all kinds were in glorious full bloom, as well as the cherry trees, pear trees and apple trees. The Sun shone splendidly warm from a cloudless azure blue sky and a fabulous twittering of birds was all around. Therefore I then reached the decision that I will never break my word or promise. And I also hold to that in relation to my wife as well as in relation to every other human. That will also remain that way, and indeed even if everything gets even worse with my Kannibalen. [Translators' note: Billy has generously shared with us many of his older poems in his 2004 book, "61 Jahre Gedichte Sprüche Aphorismen" (61 Years of Poems Sayings Aphorisms). From there we learn - from many touching love poems written for his beloved Kalliope - that "Kannibalen" was one of Billy's affectionate nicknames for his wife, along with "Kannibalenkind", "Agapulla" and "Agapimo".] I can, in regard to her - as well as in regard to every other human - only then step back from my word and promise if she herself breaks her word and promise and goes her own way without me. On my part I can therefore never break a word or promise that I have given, nor indeed if there are bad consequences for me." ] -Source: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_218 Billy has graciously left us with a sign here, which he has found to have Truth and Wisdom, to share it with us. Indeed = Thank You, Billy. Salome *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hi Paarth ; It's not my discomfort . When you give play by play updates on your failing marriage ...... I say wake up , sir . If you are looking for some guidance from the spiritual teachings ( this topic is not about modern marriage counseling ) then be informed that you most likely got married too early , too young . What's done is done . I'm not against your seeking help . It's really that sharing the details of your breakup here , is innapropriate . If others support you , then so it will be . My suggestion was merely that you deal with everything on your own , be a man about things , stop whining to strangers about your personal situation , and possibly realize that your type of thinking is exactly the type that got you into trouble , such as ,the type of thinking doesn't garner respect from your woman . You in effect have done your dirty laundry in pubic ; you ran to the neighbors . if anyone would do something like that , it would customarily be the woman , if she was being mistreated . I'm still saying , man up . You fight aganst the obvious answer . | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 246 Registered: 07-2008 |
Greetings of love and peace to our moderators and all members, To Paarth and Zhila, See post 780 of Gaiaguysnet: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/8698.html?1199402347 Salome. | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 03-2007 |
Paarth, I have to wonder how your wife would feel if she knew you were posting this information here on the Internet, also known as the World Wide Web, where anyone can read. | ||
Paarth Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2009 |
Hi all, Thanks for your comments and especially to Rod, Zhila, and Phenix for pointing me to an important text. It is this type of contribution that makes a world of difference in the lives of others, including mine. Not only does my wife know that I am posting on this forum, but she knows that the honest and loving efforts of those on this forum have helped us to heal together, which is now indeed the case. So to those respected individuals who would choose not to witness my personal struggle, to those I would say, re-think your reaction, because you may have knowledge that may help ignite truth in someone else's life. This has come true for me, in real time, in the present time, as we speak. Take that to heart. In no way have I disrespected my wife, in fact, I have worked through my decisions with similar-minded individuals on this forum. There are no personal identifiers in any of my posts. This is the last post I will ever write on this subject, but it this subject that started my involvement here on this forum, and hopefully not the last subject that I will hope to contemplate. Mark and Schantz, I respect your views, but I hope you know much good has come from my decision to post here, and I will never for the rest of my life regret that decision. I hope that if life ever becomes a struggle for you, you will find the courage to seek truth from any place you see fit, even if it is in front of the rest of the world. Warmest regards, Paarth | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 122 Registered: 10-2008 |
Best of luck to you , Paarth , with insight and honesty . I am not a gatekeeper here , so if you look deeper into what I have said before , you may learn something . I have no motive for you to not get what you want from life , that is only up to you . Please feel self-obligated to learn more of the basics of what is offered here in the near futute , and perhaps you will remember what I have said and have an a-ha moment . At least that is what I have chosen to say today . May I say that there will be nothing for you to keep us up to date with , since everything is allright now , and nothing that you can't handle by your own counsel . If that's OK with you ! Mark | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 618 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Paarth Harmonious Human Relationship has to be cultivated by ‘Both Parties’ with the same awareness, intention and goal. When we first discover Billy’s teaching, it just like one who finds a precious pearl in the field and is eager to sell his everything so as to own it. We would never satisfy with the voluminous truth teaching of Billy, and we tend spending a lot more time studying them and ignoring that we still have family members to care for. In fact, we can never learn fully Billy’s teaching just in one life time, perhaps we need many many life times so as to fully understand and put them into practice. As we cannot take everything just in one gulp, same as digestion is poor while with a full stomach. It will be nice to strike the balance and get the best out of both worlds. To the end of the day, Billy’s teaching boils down to one single word “Love”, I hope your effort in restoring a harmonious family will finally pay off Salome Savio | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 226 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Adam, Thank you for finding the translation. May the ultimate peace be upon everyone's dwelling. Salome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. |
