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    Thomas Member Post Number: 826 Registered: 03-2004 |
To the moderators: I post this here instead of the books section because it is primarily about the spiritual info and not where it comes from. With that in mind, I have a question. I thought of putting little bits of interesting info from BEAMs writings here on the forum but not quite to the same extent that moderator Jacob has done in the past. Knowing that BEAM says that people tend to ask specific questions when they are ready for more info on that topic, I asked myself if I should even post anything at all from the books etc unless a question had already been asked. I would like to know the moderators' opinions and if anything at all was posted (not quotes but general info), then what is the limit to what can or should be allowed in this type of post? Thanks for your responses... Thomas patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 174 Registered: 04-2006 |
Steven as a response to your post # 222 I collected a few descriptions of a Human, exclusively the Materials that include the phrase " true human". As to the veering away well that's for another post.... Not Enough Room for all of that. Sfath to Billy http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Sfath%27s_Explanation You must be a true human and live for life, your mission and for your evolution, as well as also for your health and your welfare, for which reason you should be advised that you, in every respect, always exercise the necessary control over yourself. Billy to Ptahh http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Special_Bulletin_032 And if, for once a true human comes into a government, who works in the sense of truth and reality for the people and the homeland, as for example, in Switzerland, the Upper House Member Christoph Blocher - who can be called the only truthful Member and represents the interests of the righteous, thinking and intelligent ones, as well as the interests of the country and thereby the homeland - who really recognizes the real problems and wants to change them to the better, then, in their own ranks, as well as among the people and in the parties, Billy to us all, http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_056 And sages are needed who understand how to teach the people according to the creational laws and bring the people onto the path of the true human being so they do not acclaim the criminal state powers who entangle their countries and populations in war conflicts with other countries. Billy to us all. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/And_there_shall_be_peace_on_earth... True human beings, who wish for all mankind love, peace, freedom and harmony, and who do not succumb to the greed for power, self-aggrandizement, arrogance and megalomania, never use hatred, vindictiveness and destructive weapons to subjugate the world and other human beings. Billy again to us in US. http://www.theyfly.com/PDF/BillyonAmerica.pdf As a true human being, one must prevent every war, and never stir one up. Peace be to you, Matt | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 828 Registered: 03-2004 |
The process of Spiritual Telepathy according to Guido Moosbrugger (at a convention with an interpreter, thus there may be errors) The sender has the thought in his material in his material consciousness. That thought is changed within the material subconsciousness to a symbol form and sent at 147 times lightspeed to the material central consciousness. From the material central consciousness, the impulses are sent (which are neither in symbolic, nor in word form) to the spiritual central consciousness. From there, the impulses are sent to the spiritual subconsciousness, where they are changed somehow, or transformed, before sending them on to the spiritual consciousness. From the spiritual consciousness of the sender, the impulses are sent to the receiver at 10 to the power of 7000 times lightspeed. The receiver collects the impulses with his spiritual consciousness and processes them in reverse of the previously mentioned way, thus finally ending up with a thought in his material consciousness. patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 830 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello all, I recently ran across a post in the german figu forum in regards to the supply of spirit forms for incarnating bodies. Atlantis responded that there are about 120 billion spirit forms connected to Earth at this time which have had at least one incarnation. However, if some circumstance arose in either the human or animal populations where there were not enough spirit forms to supply any newly conceived people or animals, then the pool of Creational energy would automatically supply new spirit forms to fill the need. I don't know any further details. I also do not know if Atlantis is the same Atlantis who happens to be the son of BEAM. If he is the same person, then I would take his information as accurate! :-) --------- Hi Thomas I got the impression from the post by Atlantis, that he was speaking generally about the new spirit forms being available from the 'pool'. I do recall Billy or Christian saying that the evolution of the earth's population is too far advanced now to allow brand new spiritforms to develop. This means that the spiritforms spend less time in the 'beyond' and may not fully process the data from the previous incarnation. I don't have a reference for this though, so will look for it, unless someone else can find it. Robyn (Message edited by indi on March 01, 2010) patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 831 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thanks Robyn I thought that too but does that mean the pool is limited??? ------- I would not think so, as the pool is available to the whole material universe. The spiritforms seek out bodies that suit their evolutionary level otherwise they have to wait. Robyn (Message edited by indi on March 01, 2010) patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 832 Registered: 03-2004 |
Or another way to look at it: what would happen if there was a birth after the last of the pool was used up? (Though highly improbable!) patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 405 Registered: 06-2006 |
I think if there are at least 120 billion or so spiritforms as part of the reincarnation cycle on this planet, there will be plenty to service the human population, which can only increase to a certain level before it will naturally force a decrease in some way. I remember seeing a movie called 'The Seventh Sign' which was about a child that was born when the 'Guff'(from the Jewish Talmud) was empty. This was the last sign, before the apocolypse. This is just highly dramatic religious rubbish, but before I came across Billy's material, it concerned me a little to think that was a possibility. The pool will never be used up. Just as every single human spiritform will have reached Petale level before this Creation evolves to the next level in its evolution, Creation has provided for this in the design of it all. Robyn | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 410 Registered: 06-2006 |
Post from Michael Horn moved to 'The Mission', 'Ideas to help the Mission improve' Robyn | ||
Dan_c New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2010 |
I appreciate the three answers I received in response to my question on being alone. Seems to be in line with what I've been noticing over the years. Figuring out ways and places to meet the right kinds of people for me has been the important thing. So far, figu is directly in line with everything I've come to discover. I've been extremely fortunate in my life. And yes, it is about doing my best to put these things to the best possible use. Defining what that means exactly is half the battle, but it is one that I am winning. As for the advice about women, yes, I have noticed that more and more in recent years as well haha. It's great to have some confirmation that I'm not just dreaming that one up for myself!  Thanks again, Daniel | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 872 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello Robyn, I am posting this here since it might interest others. But I have a question for you in regards to some conversations we had on the topic of whether the material consciousness is coarse material matter, fine material matter, or a combination of the two (not to confuse fine material matter with spiritual matter). You and I agreed that obviously the material consciousness is exactly that, material. However I recall that we might have disagreed possibly on whether the material consciousness was energetic only (though material) or coarse matter based (being a direct product of the brain)or maybe a combination of the two. In any case, I found something of interest that you may not have already read and I wanted to pass it along. In contact 261 I believe in the first 12 or so lines spoken by BEAM and Ptaah each, the topic of beheading as an execution was discussed with an interesting fact mentioned by Ptaah: The brain activity can be completely stopped (not just not detectable) and the material consciousness may remain active for up to 20 minutes more. To me, this implies that the material consciousness, though a result of or connected factor to the brain, is not a direct result of the brain unless of course it is and can somehow continue its existence independently based on its own stored energy or similar. I was wondering if you in your reading of the spirit teachings had run across anything to clarify this particular topic? Either way I thought you and others might find the reference interesting to investigate possibly :-) Thomas patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1972 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, As I understand it, the purpose or the result of the radiations from the central sun of our galaxy is to promote evolution. (http://www.figu.org/ch/book/export/html/948) Has anyone come across information as to what actually occurs within the human being and how these radiations are utilized? Do they provide additional energy to the human organism, if so how is this energy absorbed and can its effects be controlled or directed? If we were to travel closer to the central sun, would this effect be enhanced and our evolution increased as a result? Thanks Scott | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 459 Registered: 10-2008 |
Scott; I think the greater the distance the more refined the effect . If we were too close ,of course , we might be damaged by it . Even our own sun might be more beneficial , given a bit more distance . Mark | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 572 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Scott according to the document you provide, it's the UNIVERSAL central sun (Zentralsonne des Universums) and not the Galactic central sun what produces and sends such evolution-related radiations. The radiations from the Galaxy center are more subtle. Radiations from the UNIVERSAL central sun do stimulate evolution and also the law of Werden und Vergehen (everything is cyclic) at macro- and microcosmic levels (galaxies, solar systems, planets, atoms, electrons, neutrons....) In my opinion those impulses from the Universal Central Sun do not provide additional energy to human beings or living creatures. I guess they just incite, promote, stimulate human beings to align themselves with the law of Evolution. The more this radiation incides on a human being, the more will that human being try to fulfill his evolutionary duty, his evolutionary role. I do not think there is an energy exchange at all, but an exchange of information or set of instructions. The human being consciousness will realize (consciously or unconsciously) that there's something external to it that urges/incites/stimulates it to fulfill its evolutionary role (gaining wisdom and knowledge for the spirit form and complying with Creation's Laws and Commandments). "can its effects be controlled or directed?".......Purpose of such radiation would be to accelerate/decelerate (stimulate/de-stimulate) any evolutionary aspect in both material and spiritual realms. What we could achieve is to permute/convert/transform such impulses into real effective evolutionary steps forward (progress). At the end there is only one goal for the human spirit, to climb the evolutionary ladder as quickly as possible. "If we were to travel closer to the central sun, would this effect be enhanced and our evolution increased as a result? ....." In my opinion, yes.....although getting too close could be dangerous too, because the "dose" or amount of impulses/radiation could be excessive, which could do more harm than good. Of course this is just my personal interpretation from the source Scott provided (http://www.figu.org/ch/book/export/html/948) feel free to correct what you consider incorrect, inaccurate or plainly wrong. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1973 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thanks Mark and Hector, Then it is the radiations from the Zentralsonne des Universums which stimulate and bring about the Aquarian Age? Thanks Scott | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 573 Registered: 04-2006 |
Yes Scott I come to the same conclusion. | ||
Mqhassan Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 06-2006 |
Scott, Hector, It would be interesting to note where this Central SUN of the Universe is? If we are not talking of the Central Galactic Black Hole, then we must be referring to the First (Central Core) and Second (UR core belt) layers that are no longer accessible in space travel. These first two layers cannot be visited since they provided and the energy needed for creating all the above belts. 1- Central Core 7 LY in diameter being the energy producing agent 2- Ur Core Belt with a 1 x 10^14 LY width, where energy is stored which permeates throughout the outer belts. Salome Mohammed | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 574 Registered: 04-2006 |
Right...and to complete Mqhassan's comment, a scheme of all 7 Universal Belts can be visited at Michael's site.... http://www.theyfly.com/spiritual/creation/images/creation.gif | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 581 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hello Scott and Hector, It is my understanding and I may be wrong... the Plejaren do not differentiate between Galaxy and Universe, in other words, in their terminology, they call a Galaxy a Universe... This was mentioned somewhere in the first 100 contacts. References; Plejaren Contacts: 31, 34, 69 & 141 Book: In Search of Peace and Freedom, Deitmar Rothe The central sun 75,000 ly from the SOL system.... is mentioned and it's energies commented on in Deitmar Rothe's book(former FIGU passive member) regarding the Plejaren material; he mentions a black hole curves visable light along it's event horizon to make it appear spherical... it is called the central sun yet it is technically different from our sun.  | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1975 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Randy, I don't believe Deitmar was ever a FIGU Passive Member. He did attend a few FIGU Study Group Meetings in Southern California in the late 90's, but I don't believe he has had any further involvement with FIGU, except in helping with translating the Talmud and his lecture in Laughlin Nevada in 2001. Didn't mean to stray from the topic, but I thought I would clarify your statement. Regards Scott | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1766 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott, Hector and All..... Good simple example would even be when the Sun shines brightly and we have beautiful weather! We all become - energized - with energy and are off in having a good day, smiling, being happy and joyful....etc. Thus, even our Sun Radiates very Positive Energy to us all, to attend to our daily Evolution tasks. Thus, this Radiation Affects All living creatures on Earth, Flora and Fauna, etc.... The - Universal Central Sun - would do like-wise, but in a more immense application, I would think. She has very much property to provide this stimulus to. Providing, to all the small systems, etc....within her Galaxy; a sort of a - Mother Nourisher -, so to speak. Which does have Positive Affect on our Creational Spirit Power/Force. Thus, does Charge us with additional Energy Force/Power: to fullfil our (daily) Evolution.. Edward. | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 182 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hello All, I was impressed with the idea of increased vibration of all life in the physical realm but also the spiritual as we are effected by both. If you think of someone that gets cold and all of his processes slow down to the survival point, eventually if he/she gets cold enough to the point that this slower vibration (cold) retards growth and now then they get close to a good warm fire, at that point feeling, brain function, energy, ect. begin to increase. At this point in history it seems that every engine, good or bad is being revved up to higher r.p.m.'s to see if it can keep up with reason, logic that is being stimulated by the higher octane fuels of increased energy levels. Many people as Billy has said are having to cope with problems of great magnitude and either parking their car or they are forced to decide to figure out how to stay in the race. Sitting on the sideline is a dangerous place to be at the speed that things are moving and vibrating. Either one rises to self responsibility or the get passed or worse yet run over... Peace be to you, Matt | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 935 Registered: 03-2004 |
Personality IS important to the spirit because through personality/consciou= sness knowledge and wisdom are gained by which the spirit becomes more know= ing and powerful, and eventually, a conscious consciousness. patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi, As I understood my readings from memory and I may be mistaken, personality is exclusive to the material body while the human is alive and not in anyway related to the spirit nor to the spiritual consciousness (TCB), having no identity/personality, whatsoever, as it is energy. When a human die, the spiritual consciousness (TCB?) is processed for the further evolution of the spirit. That of the material consciousness (conscious and subconscious) becomes part of the akashic records (Earth based) from which the reincarnated spirit, in the future, will draw vibrations from, but then again irrespective of any former personality/ies. No wonder, those who claim to talk to the dead persons/personalities are considered by Billy as delusional. Forgive my inadequacy for not supporting my statement with sources/references as I am not ready. I am ready, though, to change my unsupported/unverifiable conclusion given further knowledge and wisdom. Jun My will be done | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 936 Registered: 03-2004 |
Jun the spirit cannot evolve without the material consciousness until after= the point of reaching the Arahat level. patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 938 Registered: 03-2004 |
BTW the TCB is not the same as the spiritual side of consciousness as your = post implies. -------------- Just a note to say that I for some unknown reason, used the term Total consciousness block (TCB) recently in a post, when Figu has a preference for 'Overall Consciousness Block' now. It becomes very confusing to know which terms to use, 'comprehensive' being the one that is found predominantly throughout this forum as well as other English sources including those of Figu translators such as Marianne. However, if we are to change from 'comprehensive', then 'overall' seems more appropriate than 'total', in this context. Robyn (Message edited by indi on May 01, 2010) patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi Thomas, We maybe barking up the same tree. Humans living (reincarnation) millions of lives normally equipped with material (physical) consciousness (both conscious and unconscious) embodying the "will", is indeed a must for the spirit to evolve. Otherwise, the TCB (both conscious and unconscious) will not gather the required development which in turn only after processing will make the spirit evolve. Indirectly, therefore, the multiple number of previous personalities is immaterial to the evolution of the spirit because it is what the TCB gathered which is primordial and not the personalities (maybe the lowest of the lowest grade or the highest of the highest grade or other variations ie. Mr./Ms. X or Y or in between). This is again based on an unverified conclusion. Jun My will be done | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 139 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi Robyn, Very timely clarification. Thank you. Hi again, Even then, I still maintain that OCB (no longer TCB) is that which is the computer program like a browser, if you may allow, in tandem with the spirit which is equal to the operating system. To clarify, the Universal Consciousness Block is not what is referred to as this will be the ultimate/final repository of the processed data, maybe like a "Server", as opposed to the Akashic records for the material consciousness, which maybe equal to the computer's memory space. All the above has nothing to do with multiple personalities during reincarnations. It is my gain for allowing me to participate in this exercise even if it turns out I am mistaken. Jun My will be done | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1686 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dyson.... The Spirit Levels HAVE prevented a numerous number of Spirit-forms NOT to incarnated. This would have caused more havoc, etc, on Earth, (or whatever planet concerning) which was prevented. Thus, it can be done as mentioned above as well as immutable law of Creation, which I was aware. Edward. |
