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    Justsayno Member Post Number: 448 Registered: 10-2009 |
There are only two uses for religion - to make money for the church and to keep people under control. I love those sunday morning christians who lie and cheat and steal all week long but as long as they pray to their god on sunday, they are good to go. It's a good thing that their god loves them because everyone else thinks they are a**holes. Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Godfrey New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2012 |
Greetings fellow humans, this is my first post. normally myself and others never come to sites like this. we try to stay under the sight of others. as Mr. Meyeir's could understand some times there are fanatical people that wish (as solutions) to end the life of another bringing the truth. when dealing with the mission and religious concepts I offer up this thought; currently there are thousands of people looking for an artifact that is very important to Humans. and as a species the discovery of this artifact/book will have far reaching understanding. Please let me explain. the artifact/book I speak of is when the myans found that all hope was lost they took part (of what was written on those plates) only the best parts and put them on other plates to be hidden up and rediscovered at a later date should the original plates fall into the hands of there enemy. and as an agreement that there people would not be forgotten the abridged plates were given to another thousands of years later. in the 19th century those abridged plates were found. yet the original plates are still hidden to us that contain the bulk of the peoples history. I would also like to know and respectfully request, do the visitors here know where they are? and if so may we have them? I asked this that to learn fully about our past is to increase our consciousness of understanding of our selves. And fulfills part of the mission. lastly I would like to mention that I have only found out about Billy Meyeir a few days ago. and after a bit of studding am well pleased that at last there are people out here with like minds as my own. my hole life I thought I was alone in thought. and it as left a "bitter taste" on my Sprit", being alone. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 501 Registered: 07-2009 |
Hi Godfrey, I would suggest that such mysterious artifacts, etc. pale in importance to the information and spiritual teaching in the Billy Meier (please note the spelling!) case. You will find far, far more about the true history of human life in the universe, and on planet Earth, in Meier's material than the Mayan ever dreamed of, having a very limited perspective in comparison as they did. As you familiarize yourself with the information you may better understand why the Mayan (and other information) is more of a sidetracking influence than a direct line to…the truth. Happy studying. | ||
Teesoft Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 01-2011 |
Hi Godfrey welcome to the forum and to add to what Michael has said i will like to refer you to where you can start reading the available contact report between Billy and the Plejarens on this wiki www.futureofmankind.co.uk you will surely find a lot more from the site.....there is a lot to read my friend so i suggest you get on with it only if you want of course.... Happy studying Salome  Olu | ||
Goodmanallen Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 01-2010 |
I think this would make a good bumper sticker.... Know religion no peace No religion Know peace what do you guys think??? | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 670 Registered: 06-2008 |
Know religion no peace No religion Know peace Clever and appropriate but would you walk about in public with that on a T Shirt ? Cheers. | ||
Goodmanallen Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 01-2010 |
Hello Ramirez, That's a good point, I would be good with it only because I have little trouble with the reasoning behind it, as it would certainly prove a point in that it would be hard to argue how religion is the reason behind so much hate and aggression in this world. Your point is well taken though as I am relatively sure it would not be very popular in the retail market though. | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 09-2011 |
For the individual, peace is not as dependent upon religious underpinnings as personal character. There are many fine people in this world who become religiously intoxicated on a weekly or even daily basis. People like this often use their religion as their main tool to justify goodness in bad situations. For these people, taking religion away from them is depriving them of a reason for seeing the positive potential of the world. When the person is pluralized to the point of a stratified society, however, personal religions and philosophies morph into mandates and directives, many of which are incompatible with each other, which in extremist cases can ultimately justify the insanity at the societal scale of war. Religion is dangerous for its influence upon societal dynamics. Life | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 09-2011 |
It was a revelation for me, the discovery of the natural creational laws put forth by the Plejaren. Here is a set of precepts by which societal guidelines can be developed, a set of guidelines to which everyone can agree as their respective society evolves all the way up until it adopts that ubiquitous fascination with the ideal of oneness, whereupon social guidelines become moot. Here is a set of precepts that our world can adopt that provides the space for agreement, for peaceful and creative self-development at our own respective paces. Here is a set of societal development guidelines which engenders happiness in everyone - aka altruism. It remains a revelation for me because we know this development of society in accordance with the guidelines of natural creational laws, we know this just works. Where previously we have had religious bunk, nationalism, anachronistic tribalism, the subterfuge of sly coteries and secret associations, now the only ones who have anything to lose are the rich and powerful. Life | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 671 Registered: 06-2008 |
Original sin, the unborn, purgatory, indulgences. A question you might ask the local priest or even the holy one himself is: Is an unborn child which died in it's mother's womb required to spend time in purgatory ? If the same unborn child's parents paid a member of the clergy to arrange for an indulgence would that then absolve the as yet unborn child from paying a penalty for original sin ? Then we might examine let's say a day old baby which died. Would the sins accumulated from one days worth of living require that child's soul to spend time in purgatory ? and again could that time be mitigated by paying a member of the clergy for an indulgence ? Indulgences are no longer being sold openly so it's a theoretical question based on historical fact .... holy papa's, cardinals, bishops and other lower ranking members of skyman's church sold indulgences .... if these worked as the clergy selling them proclaimed why aren't these services available now ? If holy papa's are claimed to be infallible weren't they always infallible ? and what exactly makes them infallible ? More information: http://fisheaters.com/indulgences.html And here: http://www.the-pope.com/purg.html Then finally: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence Another episode in the continuing series: The christian mind and how it works .... fascinating stuff .... Cheers. | ||
Marbar Member Post Number: 218 Registered: 12-2009 |
Since religion is a problem on this planet, especially in the United States via Christianity; there will be a rally going on at Washington D.C. The rally is about Atheists and nonbelievers gathering together from all over the country and from other parts of the world on Macrch 24, 2012. It is called the Reason Rally: http://reasonrally.org/. Now, do anyone one of you think this rally will accomplish something? | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 755 Registered: 10-2008 |
It will make religious people hiss like snakes . One of them will notice and search for the reason for this , which ripples through the person's life and influences others . Certain well known people have mentioned in the media , the religious cause of war and other atrocities , which is probably how the movement started . If anything , it will gather and gain the awareness that small , prejudiced groups of people will have to face larger groups of people who have abandoned this crippling form of mental and spiritual misuse that is religion in all it's inglory .The term 'athiest' is a false term , since the belief in false gods are unsupportable . Earth humanity have become experts of how to bail water of that particular sinking ship. | ||
Melissa Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 01-2012 |
Hi Marbar, A great post about that rally, I found at washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/reason-rally-on-the-mall-is-a-milestone-event-for-the-growing-atheist-movement/2012/03/22/gIQAlrJ8TS_story.html -Melissa | ||
Space_jockey New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2012 |
WHAT IS RELIGION? WHAT IS RELEGEON? To define the difference between religion and relegeon, the spirit plane ARAHAT ATHERSATA has disclosed the following: Chapter IV, Evolution, Verses 75-80 “77. Yet, a religious-type format, that is, a reverse link, destroys relegeon already in its basic substance and prevents it from ever finding fertile ground.” 80. …Relegeon is the factor leading back toward the Creative Truth, toward the Ur-Truth of all Creative growth. Expressed in a religious sense, religion implies a reverse-bond to a god, respectively a creator, within the constraints of religions, to whom man must subordinate himself.” Religion is not as simple as pointing out established religions, like Christianity; but is a “reverse link” to anything that goes against the Creational-natural laws and directives. So a person can be an atheist or a Satanist, and still be considered religious. An atheist does not recognize Creation or the law of reincarnation so they are being illogical or religious. A person who has given up church or religious affiliation can still be religious by being dependent to things (tin gods), and filling their minds with limitations, subordination, and hate, for example. Religion is not just organized churches and creeds, but also illogical thoughts, feelings, actions, etc., that are counter to the logic of the Universe. So even a Figu member can still be religious at times when they are making mistakes. It is not necessarily easy for people who have been religious and are still bombarded by religion today to see the truth. Obviously, the goal of the Figu is to see people become in-line with the Creational-natural laws and directives or relegeous. Anthony Alagna | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 865 Registered: 01-2004 |
Making mistakes has nothing to do with being religious. To have a religion means that one believes in unproven values, dogma's, assumptions without critical thought and base ones thoughts on these assumptions, believes and dogma's which have no logical ground. To have a cult-religion is to have assumptions, believes and dogma's around a real or fictional person, people or object(s) (a cult). A mistake is nothing more then an incorrect result of a thought which did not have all the facts, a mistake is always made out of unawareness / ignorance/unknowing. An unknown cause will always lead to an unknown effect (cause and effect outside of the awareness of the person). To say that 'even' a FIGU member can still be religious is not correct, first of all FIGU members are people who are working on themselves and are no more and no less then other people. The Plejaren and Billy also make mistakes, and most certainly they are not religious. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 375 Registered: 08-2010 |
Thank you for that clarification Jacob. The verses themselves seemed self explanatory and in-line with your clarification. Is any of the following correct? 77. Yet, a religious-type format, that is, a reverse link, destroys relegeon already in its basic substance and prevents it from ever finding fertile ground. Certainly, religious beliefs are identical to when children believe in Santa Claus. The state in which the child finds himself will never be conducive to a factual view, perception nor awareness of the reality. The child is convinced that toys are made at the north pole; rather than knowing it was made at an industrial manufacturing plant. If I understand correctly; Relegeon (verse 80) ["Relegeon is the factor leading back toward the Creative Truth"] would this 'factor' refer to the spirit teachings, or, to the 'study' of the spirit teachings? fac·tor/ˈfaktər/ Noun: A circumstance, fact, or influence that contributes to a result or outcome. Salome, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2378 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Marbar.... I once watched a doc about one of the first Atheists movements which was lead by a female and some male partners. The doc was from the mid 70's. I did not know that it could be that horrifying. In the doc you saw how deep the woman was in her Atheists ways of life, and literally rejected anything that had to do with religion(: she was really stomping her hand on the table, to make her point; some tough lady!!). And further in the doc, you see that she was even threatened by fanatic Christian followers, but mainly a small group, with very radical ideas. Further in the doc, you see that the woman and a couple of her followers were missing. They could be found nowhere. There was already, suspects, which in the end lead the police to the dead bodies of the mentioned missing: they were all beheaded and body limbs decapitated. I never thought it would get that far in the US. But, it did. Thus, I can understand that these Atheists come out...and to make their point after so many decades, and when one of their leaders and followers were murder in such horrifying way. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2380 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Marbar... Word error on: they were all beheaded and body limbs decapitated. It should be: they were all beheaded and body limbs dissected. Apologies... Edward. | ||
Marbar Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 12-2009 |
Hi Edward, That is very interesting that one of the earlier Atheist movements was started by a woman. Religion does hurt women and this woman must had enough of it. | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 758 Registered: 10-2008 |
That horrific event was connected to the theft of her valuables , not the atheism . | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2381 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Marbar and Mark.... Yeah, any way we look at it: it is indeed very horrifying. As Billy/Plejarans would say: the Madness of Religion..... Edward. | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 09-2011 |
Religion, the opiate of the masses, religion, the most addictive narcotic, and what will happen when they are deprived of their drug? An uncertain withdrawal which can only be assuaged by the truth, applied liberally, deeply. The foundational universal creational laws will do the trick. Life | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 680 Registered: 06-2008 |
Principles Of Behavior Modification: The Racket Of Religion. 1. Reciprocation - return of a favor. Sky man's only son died for your sins and as a favor for his sacrifice you should believe in him or whatever his self appointed representatives declare is appropriate .... for their benefit, for the perpetuation of their racket and for your everlasting salvation and security. Sky man gave a lot, you only need give a bit in return and look at the benefits .... what a deal. 2. Scarcity - there is only one man in the sky, others claims are false and only the one true man in the sky has guaranteed the way towards salvation and a promise of eternal rewards in sky paradise for everyone who follows his guidelines. 3. Authority - the man in the sky made the sky, his son is number one in charge after the man himself and there is a book full of instructions from the sky man outlining how everyone should behave, model their lives (including slavery, genocide, stoning people for adultery and working on holidays ... holy days etc) and full of other uplifting and or scary stories. What greater authority can there be than the man in the sky himself to act as an endorsement for our racket. 4. Commitment - condition and train persons minds in small degrees via a process of gradual indoctrination to align themselves towards the ideas and ideals of your racket .... a commitment to the sky mans son and adherence to his ideals (religious rules) will guarantee everlasting rewards but those rewards will only bear fruit for sincere devotees and followers. Starting off by indoctrinating young children is a great tactic because their impressionable young minds are an ideal fertile ground for planting the seeds of superstition and ignorance to ensure a life of unquestioning compliance. 5. Consensus - everyone knows the sky man is real, his son is real because there's a book full of stories saying it's contents are real plus that book is full of the sky man's proclamations, other reliable stories faithfully and accurately handed down through generations .... would the sky man lie to you ? 6. Guilt - everyone is born guilty, a ready made sinner but skyman's son has absolved you of the guilt and subsequent unpleasant ramifications resulting from the guilt you were born with through his selfless sacrifice and other assorted fine deeds so be grateful and thankful for that ..... and dont forget to feel guilty, confess your misdeeds to one of skyman's chosen ones then walk away feeling relieved of your guilt .... till next time. Some unfortunates are missing out, you are missing out by not helping them .... make a donation, feel good about your actions and yourself as a result, you are helping others .... it's all positive, for a good cause and part of skyman's grand plan. 7. Threat - if you dont adhere to what's in the skyman's book of instructions (plus what his representatives tell you to do) there are penalties, an expectation of unpleasant events in future is not unrealistic as a result of disobedience such as the lake of fire, your continued good health might become affected, capability to enjoy eternal salvation compromised and other possibilities unless skyman's instructions as interpreted by his self appointed assistants are followed. Is it really safe to take chances and gamble with your eternal future ? 8. Plea - sympathy and understanding are soft approaches used in presenting an appeal. Skyman needs everyone's help and offers you an opportunity. There are unfortunates who need your help, your life is not complete unless you join the noble effort. Your life will be so much better if you become one of skyman's believers. You owe it to yourself and others to do the right thing. Cheers. |
