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    Thomas Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 08-2011 |
Sorry about the weird characters that appear in my responses sometimes. They only occur when I respond by email which, at times, is my only option :-) | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 642 Registered: 06-2009 |
Sai Baba a clumsy magician Read more: http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/15/Sunday_Magazine.html and here is an old report: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/this_world/3813469.stm and here is the quote from Billy: link Eyewitness report of Billy turning soft drink into wine IMO is never a good place to start. Such miracles are hard to fathom even as eye-witness, let alone just reading or hearing about them. I took this event at its face value and considered it as true because I did studied his other evidences first. "Death and Rebirth is one of the most crucial parts of life, without one the other simply cannot exist!" - Isabella Poretsis | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 712 Registered: 07-2000 |
When asked about Sai Baba during an Q&A session in 2004, Billy answered:- "He's a conjurer who exploits everything in a religious way." | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 166 Registered: 09-2011 |
Thank you all for the information on Sai Baba. My understanding of Sai Baba is still the same as what it was. "He's a conjurer who exploits everything in a religious way." - BEAM, c. 2004 (http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/3728.html#POST12820) And for this reason, I no longer pay him much attention. However, Sai Baba did 'conjure'... How many of us can say we do that? While I don't give him my attention anymore, I do keep in mind that 'magic' is literally possible. For me this is a concrete statement, one proved again and again beyond my satisfaction. I don't profess to understand how it is done, nor do I think that the people involved are necessarily gods or worthy gurus, but I do know that what I tritely call 'magic' is actually possible. And that is what intrigues me so. In reading through the previous forum postings by various people on the subject, I find sitkaa's perspective of Sai Baba makes the most sense to me, indeed so much so that I must've been sitkaa in a previous incarnation. Sai Baba was an illusionist in the literal sense of the term. In a similar vein, I have met other people as well who do things inexplicable to our modern skeptical form of science. That Billy is capable of doing these things, and then explaining how he does it, is a fascination for me. It's like a magician explaining his sleight of hand tricks. It points me to the palpable realization that thoughts influence reality. How many of us can say we do that? Life | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 167 Registered: 09-2011 |
Discounting the importance of being able to conjure up miracles, what is it that makes for a prophet? It would seem that one's ability to do miraculous stuff has little to do with the determination of prophet-ness. From other discussions on this forum, it would seem that one's character is not so involved either. What is involved then? If not these things, what is it that makes for a prophet? Insight? Depth of wisdom? Knowledge? Will? Experience? ...borne of countless previous lifetimes? How can we recognize this in a prophet? Life | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 660 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Michael I think that a prophet needs certain qualities and characteristics that have to do with their ability to instruct and guide people, be it individuals or large masses. Above all, a very rich or the richest spiritual and consciousness evolution/development is needed, so that prophets and other truthbringers know or interiorize, from the deepest part of their beings, that they are up to the job because they have personally experienced similar situations and duties in the past. A prophet in my opinion is a man that acts like an ambassador of The Creation and instructs persons or large masses of people how to act like a real, authentic (wahres) human being. He may also need tremendous will power, determination to fulfill his mission or task. A certain dose of modesty (Bescheidenheit) is also welcomed, so that he focuses on the job and nothing distracts him from fulfilling his duty as a prophet. Too much praise and applause distracts and a prophet does not want that people praise him or her, but that people evolve faster because they understand and follow Creation's laws and Recommendations. Right now at this point of time the ability to perform consciousness related powers (telepathy, telekinesis, clairvoyancy etc) is a bit secondary or innecessary for a prophet because this civilization's consciousness evolution is advanced enough so that human beings do not require visual or sensory evidence to validate the prophet's teaching, they just solely need a detailed and comprehensive rational thinking that lets them see the logic and the truth emanating from the lessons imparted by the prophet. Best regards | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 239 Registered: 04-2006 |
Here's a link for you on what a prophet must have.... http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Interview_with_Billy_(1988)#The_answer_to_an_unasked_question Peace, Matt | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2527 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Michaelhelfert.... Sai Baba, also turned out to be bi-sexual, as I read here-and-there. He got himself mixed up in Sex Orgies, with men as well as women, till there was a murder. And, this closed the Sai Baba chapter, fully. Edward. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 648 Registered: 05-2008 |
Not sure where to put this, but ... anyone watch the Presidential debate last night? Bascially, the Plejaren have endorsed Obama & dissed Romney. However, imo, Obama was horrible, a no-show, lazy, unenthusiastic, complacent, boring, uncreative, unreactive, dull, etc ... Sarah Palin could have whooped his butt and Romney completely destroyed him. This wouldn't be the first time the Plejaren have been wrong about earthworm personalities. Consider their early assessment of Hitler that he was supposed to bring peace and harmony to planet earth! Can you say - WRONG !! ?  And the Obama spiritform is supposedly part of the mission from ancient days. While Romney has been designated a psychopath. One debate does not make an election but Obama did not do himself, nor planet earth and its inhabitants any favors. Just food for thought, maybe.  Bruce | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 276 Registered: 04-2006 |
I also think Obama could have debated better. Maybe he wasn't feeling too good that day because he usually debates much better then that. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2316 Registered: 12-1999 |
Without going too far off topic, I think it can be said for Obama "been there, done that" I think he may understand the realities of being President, and no matter how idealistic one is, he knows otherwise.. | ||
Verlanis New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2012 |
Obama is an easily controlled puppet. If he gets reelected then, most likely, a stunt will be pulled which will shock the world. This event will probably discovery of warp field bubbles. Technically this event has happened already, but I say this only from extrapolating data from many fields and thought lines. Also, we are due for a cosmology change involving the concept once called ether which is now understood to be plasma in space. On topic, the Plejaren can, have, and will make mistakes, but unlike Terrans they make every effort to rectify them as soon as is feasible. Emphasis on feasible. Nature reveals all to those who search. | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 08-2012 |
I did not at all feel that Obama was boring. American people, many, not all, like the "show" aspect of it much more than paying attention to content. For me and my family, he delivered content and was perhaps a bit too serious. He also spoke the truth. Romney on the other hand, was all show and no content.I guess it takes a certain skill to speak lies confidently. Obama is more honest, and cannot be theatrical. Television should not be only about "shows", but content too. I also liked how Obama, this time, looked at us, speaking directly into the camera. Romney did not do that. I liked, that Obama did not attack Romney, the way Romney attacked him, and no one even mentioned that. Everyone was simply drooling over Romney due to his "showmanship". It makes me very sad when listening to the thought process of the so-called experts. It makes people like me wish, that Obama was a bit more "aggressive and theatrical" because it is television and people are watching a show, not a serious debate...but then again, I liked that he was being himself. Too bad that many thought he was "boring", to me and my family, he was anything but. What he said so sincerely mattered more than being a show-off full of lies confidently delivered. I feel, Obama will return with a good punch in the second round.  Perhaps it will make many Americans rooting for him happy. As far as I am concerned, I like him just the way he is. Regardless who wins, let us continue to work on ourselves and hope for the best. Thank you for sharing and allowing me to share. have a lovely weekend everyone. Salome with Love ~ Piyali | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 08-2012 |
Dear Friends, One more thing I forgot to mention about the first Presidential Debate held on Wednesday, is that, Romney, like a true sociopath and bully, constantly stared at Obama while he hurled his accusations at him, which I found very irritating and very rude, as if his whole goal was to put Obama down, which perhaps was his only intention, instead of addressing the American people about how he would lead. I remember as a child being bullied, more than once, and each time the bully never took his eyes off of me, while they punched me with their illogical twisted lies. In my adult life, I have met with very few bullies thankfully in person, but quite a few via the Internet (emails, forums, etc)who thought it was their right to speak rudely and illogically to me or someone else. The energy would simply come through as "shouting" or "staring while shaking that long accusatory finger" at the desired target. Bullies and liars are paranoid of being found out,and thus, to me, this first debate confirms Ptaah and Billy's statement on Romneys character.And Romney has mastered the art and skill of lying. I have no complaints about the Plejarens nor Billy. I feel they really know what they are talking about. I have been observing the body language while I watched the debate and wanted to share the above observation. Have a great weekend. Salome with Love ~ Piyali | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 287 Registered: 12-2009 |
Yeah I agree with Piyali I think Obama will do better in the second debate which is also a foreign policy debate. This should force Romney to show his true warlike-tendency colors which usually doesn't sit well with everyone and those people will hopefully vote for Obama. I just chalk it up to Obama being rusty as he hasn't debated in 4 years and Romney had like 16 already this year. In 2008 Obama owned those debates so I am anxious to see the next one . Salome Corey OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 169 Registered: 09-2011 |
Obama was coherent, even to the point of being professorial in explaining our macroeconomic problems. Mitt Romney overly simplified his arguments to the point of evasiveness. As I listened to the debates, I was impressed with President Obama, but I found Romney actually embarrassing. When the debates finished I was completely surprised at the media's perspective, for theirs was nothing like my own. Since then I have continued to hear repetitious reinforcements of that initial incongruous assessment. I thought President Obama did more than acquit himself nicely, he won the debate. It seems to me that Obama is not falling in line with the powers that be, and they are trying to skew public opinion as a result. Obama was sincere. Mitt Romney could have been selling used cars. Life | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 290 Registered: 12-2009 |
Michael I would say they are succeeding at skewing the public opinion. Barack fell behind Romney in both Ohio and Florida polls after the debate. The American people are buying it and Romney's lies and responding for a Gewalt person like Romney with their own Gewalt which is disheartening. Prior to the debate it looked good for Obama, but now it's hard to say. A second good debate performance will help but he needs those battleground states like Ohio to get to 270. It could be that there goes Obamacare, Medicare, and here comes the wars. Salome Corey OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 795 Registered: 10-2008 |
One of the debaters was busy at all times running the country , full of national and international troubles . The other debater was trying to get a job ( and put his RELIGION on the map). | ||
Thomas57 Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2009 |
As I read through these many commentaries(in the Discussion Board), I am amazed at the poor spelling(for those who write in English) and grammar(even with the auto correct function) - but even more so, 'being amazed' at the apparent desire by many to have others do their thinking instead of application, testing, and re-thinking their conclusions. A good example is the reflections of those who saw the debate, and immediately concluded that Barack Obama somehow 'performed' "worse" due to some image each of us has in our opinions! We are not inside the President's head - or heart. Having been a former "Mormon", and once taught their "gospel doctrine", I see Romney as he presents himself - seeing very well how little he shows how he lives his own Mormon belief system. Ptaah's commentary about psychopathic tendencies was clear - to those who watched; and his effort to steer his "Gewalt" against the President. No President - past or future will ever be something we all wish they were. The country is controlled by evolving, currently, mostly ignorant "We the People"! We are the cause and cure to our issues - never a man elected to enforce our laws. Most press commentary also show the gross lack of study and intelligent understanding of a Creation oriented viewpoint. Get up and go do SOMETHING - preferably in a Constitutional way, that changes your community into something to once again be proud of! | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 431 Registered: 08-2010 |
I wouldn't throw in the towel after Round One. Romney clearly threw his best punches and techniques. Nothing landed. Obama allowed him to dig his own political grave...which he did with lying and deliberate false statements. It has also been pointed out that he may have done a trick-of-hand as he got to the podium. He pulled something out of his front-right pocket and quickly threw it onto the podium...note cards maybe? They were not allowed to bring note cards. Obama exhibited the wisdom that Billy and the Plejaren attribute to his spiritual age and evolutive level. Obama outclasses Romney and is too far above Romney to even be touched by him. Romney will continue to expose his true inner nature and it will be used to expose him even further. Romney is in severe conflict with the universal energies taking effect on this planet in these times. He is swimming up-stream with the wind in his face. I cannot help but sense that if Billy and the Plejaren knew that Romney would indeed become president, that they would be having a bit different dialog with us. Because certain people read the contact reports, I can see why they would not want to negatively affect outcomes. Obama may be reading or has gotten briefed on what is contained in the Contact Reports. If he had read that he would be reelected and believes it, he would not likely put in the efforts and volition to improve and prepare himself. Salome, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Skyrim Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 06-2012 |
Hi Eddie, Imo, I don't think the powers that be in the US would allow Obama to know about Billy and the Contact Reports let alone get briefed on them. phil | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 146 Registered: 03-2007 |
Eddieamartin, Please post your source where Billy and the Plejaren state Obama's spiritual age and evolution level. What do you mean by saying Obama is too far above Romney? Obama may read or is briefed on the contact notes? Are you serious? | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 432 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Phil, I have to agree with you. This was certainly the case in decades past. I just can't imagine them keeping the president from visiting the FIGU website or reading the Contact Reports while he's on the internet...although this is very unlikely. Salome, Eddie [7:-) |
