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    Blake_p Member Post Number: 358 Registered: 07-2012 |
I figured that would be taken more personally than as a general statement...regardless; Addressing the many times i've heard,what can i do,or everyone else on the planet doesn't do what is right,or,doesn't know the truth.. Well,Billy does state within the spiritual teaching that it is of great importance to master oneself,thoughts,thinking,rationality,being an example to rest of your fellow human beings,etc,etc. So of course that is the first step before trying to do other things to make a difference in this world,but aren't Billy(who of course is a special case),Michael,Christian,CG members regular human beings just like yourself. Are they superhuman,no,they felt a responsibility to not only be an example to others,but to immerse themselves in other actions that will benefit the rest of humanity,push things forward,try to make a difference for the betterment of this world. There are a myriad of large and small things that can be used to push the mission forward,it doesn't always have to be all or nothing,be a person like Billy,or just read the spirit teaching for personal benefit. That brings me to the point i'm getting at...a lot of people seem to think just cause the Plejaren say that in 800 years everything will be better,and the majority of humanity will have excepted that the Spirit Teaching is the truth...that it will just happen automatically. People within the mission will have to fight,claw,and do whatever we can to make that happen. As Billy says,The human being is the smith of our own destiny,then reading the material and just waiting for everything to change for the better isn't going to work. I understand that people have their own set of personal circumstances to work through on a daily basis which may prevent them from being a MH,or Christian,or whoever,but is it not our responsibility to spread the truth amongst human beings of this planet so that things can be better in the future! So that doesn't mean that individuals who are doing the same exact thing,and taking the same exact stance as you on a personal level are doing anything negative,quite the contrary,but that isn't going to be enough from now until things do get better. That's all i'm saying. Maybe people shouldn't be so sensitive about an important point,because it is true,and only the truth matters,right,not if we think it reflects negatively on us personally. | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 02-2010 |
Blake_p...relax, because honestly, I'm not taking anything personally, just clarifying my meaning, because it's hard to express ourselves with words alone. Plus your statement (post 358) is right on point. MsMichelle | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1143 Registered: 07-2009 |
Something else to add to Blake’s comments is that Billy is quite clear that all human beings are of equal value (http://theyfly.com/be-equal-value-…). This means not only that those who take a more prominent role are not more significant than those who work without recognition, it also means that while we each are working in our own ways towards assisting the mission, even those who we see as opposing it must be regarded as being of equal value. Certainly I understand the frustration of dealing with people who are outright opponents, or those who decline to look through the proverbial telescope, as it’s all too clear to us that the work of Meier, the Plejaren and the previous prophets has been painfully accurate. But self-responsibility is one of the core elements of the teaching and each person who does seek to contribute to the greater good by embodying the teaching in themselves to the best of their ability, will discover their own role in the evolution, and their own best means of contributing and helping to bring about that future outcome Blake speaks about. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1588 Registered: 07-2005 |
Blake to address further on what you said in post 355 from my post 1585 and then from your post 358 I agree with the bulk of the post and the sentiment behind it and really I have no problem with that. I wanted to focus on the hard reality of the situation with the way things really are For one thing as you say I guess we can all help and contribute But to some extent as I see it you cannot force Billy's information onto people but do it in such a way that people on their own initiative find out for themselves. That is why this is the most challenging aspect of it. Its rather easier to just dismiss Billy's advice about proselytizing and missionizing and ram it down people's throats without any regard for the consequences nor for the psychical and psychological wellbeing of people. It would be even easier to do it the Mormon way But alas its not so simple as that as you very well know. If this whole thing is about the spiritual teachings then I am afraid you have to do it the spiritual way in conforming with the Creational spiritual laws and principles whatever is applicable at the time and circumstances This is why it'll take sooooooo 800 years long due to the free will aspect of the human beings that must be respected. It would be daunting enough for those new to the information to take it in let alone trying to find their own ways to help the mission if ever they come upon this realisation. Its not to say that my conclusions are 100% correct but after all these number of years I think that the fundamental infrastructure is sufficiently set up such as FIGU websites, Michael's blog, FOMK and other associated links that gives people more than enough to go by even though IMO there is never enough translations So what is my definition of helping the mission after all my experiences? Well - Read, Study and if possible live, breathe, think, do, be, experience, perceive, act, learn, give, feel, hold in your head, know, conform, adhere to that which is Creational spiritual. Support the already set up infrastructure if possible. Help the cause by doing no harm to it by not getting into unnecessary arguments with the pseudo skeptics whether in a forum or elsewhere face to face as this is a total waste of time. Give out FIGU materials to those who inquire about it or donate it to the library. Develop the wisdom to accept things as they are and what will be without prejudice yet give yourself enough leeway to bitch about it at times as this indicates you know what right from wrong is. Besides the proverbial peace, love, harmony, freedom, respect, honour, veneration, reverence, truth, spirit, Creation, knowledge and being firmly implanted in one's mind to abide by not to forget that oneself is just a compromised earth human creature with all the flaws, faults and weaknesses therefore just because one knows about the Creational spiritual truth does not give oneself reason to prop up one's ego or to feel that somehow one is exceptional and far above those that are ignorant so from time to time just recall the instances when you didn't know anything about Billy or his presented information and hypothetically ask yourself as you at that time 'why don't you know about Billy and his information' Matt lee | ||
Blake_p Member Post Number: 359 Registered: 07-2012 |
Thank you for the additive posts above,i agree with all of it. As i have said before,i am very direct,but am always fair no matter who it is,which doesn't matter to me...as MH said,all human beings are of equal value. But remember, it is good to have people who disagree with you,bring up different perspectives,and even may rub you the wrong way or make you uncomfortable. That way we can be in true equalizedness by taking in everything and evaluating it correctly,instead of always surrounding yourself with people who only agree with you,or are always on the same side,which will always only give you one perspective,and possibly miss something from the other side. And like i said before there are many ways to make a difference,both big and small,i was just trying to provoke a little thought into what kind of difference you want to make,and also how to do it. If we come back into the world we helped create in our previous incarnations,it is worth deciding what we want our actions to be furthering the mission and making this world a better place. We may not have the immediate success we want now,but it will start what Billy says...as the snowball rolling down a hill,accumulating into an unstoppable force later. | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 02-2010 |
Verse 151-lots of information packed in that verse. Verse 188-Very powerful to contemplate. MsMichelle | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 1039 Registered: 12-2009 |
MsMichelle, Good one! Verse 151 with it's information on striving, has to be one of the best verses I have encountered thus far, in the book. Verse 188 is very thought provoking indeed. In other books, Billy writes about the "idea of the Creation", which is basically the impulsations that are the source of life, this verse reminds me of this. Salome mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche. consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124 ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Andrew_hua Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 12-2013 |
There is a verse I'm having trouble with, that is number 95: “95) Die Moral ist eine Tugend des Anstandes und nicht das Werk von sauren Moralisten, welche jede Zeit und jede Liebeshandlung für schändlich halten, weil sie der irren Ansicht sind, dass eine gegenwärtige Schande immer die grösste sei, wodurch verflossene Schanden zur Bagatelle würden.” 95) The morality is a virtue of the decency and not the work of sour moralists who consider every time and every deed of love to be disgraceful, because they are of the irrational view that a current ignominy is always the greatest, whereby past ignominies become trivial.” Could someone elaborate on this? The second part of the sentence in particular is confusing me. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 687 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Andrew, A "moralist" is a person concerned with regulating the morals of others, as by imposing censorship. A moralist is someone who has very strong opinions about what is right and what is wrong. Most moralists are offended when other people don't share their values. Hope this is helpful. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Andrew_hua Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 12-2013 |
Hi Eddie The second part of the verse is the real point of confusion for me; what is meant by moralists holding the irrational view that past ignominies as trivial whereas current ignominies are the greatest. | ||
Stefan_z2 Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 12-2014 |
Hello Andrew, At least in the western culture that I have lived in, it is quite common that those with an overly critical attitude, unfairly picking on everyone and everything, have also the tendency to make statements such as “That kind of behavior is so immoral and bad, unheard of. In my youth or at the time of your parents and grandparents (young) people would never have done/said that. We are living in the time with worst ever people and behaviors”. They are painting their own memories rosy, and are consciously or unconsciously misrepresenting the facts of the past. Moralists from some flavors of the protestant Christian religion are further on going that far to criticize people who create a joyful life, filled with love for oneself and others. Life is for them supposed to be harsh and characterized by sacrifices (because they fear that their phantasy god demands it so). Salome, Stefan | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 956 Registered: 05-2008 |
Hi Andrew - along the lines of Stefan's explanation, if you translate it slightly differently, it may become clearer. Perhaps something like - "The morality is a virtue of the decency and not the work of sour moralists who consider each time and each act of love to be disgraceful, because they are of the irrational view that a present ignominy is always the greatest one, by which former ignominies become trifles.” http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Andrew_hua Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 12-2013 |
HI Stefan I take it you have interpreted this verse as referring to moralists who are irrationally a) conservative - seeing only degeneration in the current times when compared with their "rosy" past, and b) cynical - seeing all goodness about human beings and nature as being irrelevant and false. Thanks, you have shed some light on this. | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 02-2010 |
Stefan_z2: I like you comment, however, I would add all religions promote such a view of life, leaving a life of confusion, anxiety and unrealistic demands.. MsMichelle | ||
Andrew_hua Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 12-2013 |
Hi Bruce Would you say then that verse 95 is on the whole about the time-invariability or time-irrelevance of morality? However, wouldn't the view, that the present ignominy as being the greatest one, still be the most pertinent one since past ignominies have passed and are unreachable? Or is this a misinterpretation of the meaning on my part? | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 957 Registered: 05-2008 |
Hi Andrew Actually, I'm glad you questioned that sentence because I also didn't get the 2nd half of it. And while I now understand each part of it separately, I still don't get it as a whole. I think what you are getting at is what the 2nd half means but I don't get how that is an explanation (because) for the first part. Maybe the sour moralists always feel a need to stamp out acts/deeds of love and there is no time like the present to stamp them out. http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1591 Registered: 07-2005 |
Could this verse mean that moralists have very short memories and that they always hypocritically fail to look at themselves in the mirror and that they tend to make a mountain out of a molehill always obsessed about finding faults in others whilst overlooking their own. Essentially implying that 'moralists are ignominious'. Am I partly correct? | ||
Andrew_hua Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 12-2013 |
Yes, Bruce, you understand my query. There is an apparent incoherence or maybe it's a somewhat profound evaluation which we're naïve to, or perhaps it's actually quite simple but ambiguity is arising because of the difficulty of translating German to English. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 688 Registered: 08-2010 |
Here is what I understand from the text. In the first part of the sentence he explains what the virtue of morality is. In the second part he explains what it is not. He explains that a moralist views the virtues of love and the out-poring or showing of love, such as forgiveness, to be disgraceful. He further explains the irrational thinking of the moralist and further explains their high-minded and self-righteous attitude. Here is a further insight from the Goblet of the Truth (chapter 16 vs 15) 15) Virtue is a capability (ability), i.e. a characteristic through which people of your kind (human beings) show the sublime of every characteristic of their character; the virtues in this case are manifold and relate both to the moral behaviour and the moral values as well as to the true discernment (intellect) and wisdom as well as to the teaching of ethics and morality, which finds its value in keeping to the rightful middle between extremes; truthly love, which also includes love for the next one, is regarded as significant virtue; virtue is also the readiness to bring about moral values in mentality and actions. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 958 Registered: 05-2008 |
Hi Eddie, I think we both understood that part of it, that being the first half. It's the second half that I don't fully get. Is it because for 'sour moralists' that there is no time like the present to be a dick and therefore old ignominies fade like footprints in the sand which need a fresh stamping of the foot to extinguish any and all acts of love? http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 689 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Bruce, A moralist finds out that a pedophile molested a child and immediately shouts for horrendous torture to be inflicted on the pedophile. You then see everyone around them agree with the punishment. Or they say death is the best the pedophile deserves. What Billy is explaining is that; As a virtue, morality does not come from moralists (this type of thinking) and that we should guard against making (allowing) other people's thoughts and wills to become our own. Moralists feel the need to continue to punish a former prison inmate who served his time. Moralists would not employ people who had been incarcerated. A moralist justifies the continued punishment of an offender even if the debt to society has been paid. This type of thinking goes against the creational law of love and stagnates the evolution of the consciousness. We are all prone to think and emotionally react like a moralist if we are not careful. Consider the following insights from the Goblet of the Truth chapter 21 2) Built up in each of you are basic prerequisites and basic thoughts as well as thereout resulting basic feelings that belong to you, which are in you and remain in you until you pass on and depart out of the life through the dying, so for example the committing of errors and the striving – so that the process of the learning and of the evolving can function at all – as well as aggression, anxiety and fear, joy, happiness, guilt and sorrow, or thoughts and feelings of the superiority or the inferiority. 9) Truthly, indeed, built up in each one of you human beings, in accordance with the law of the contrariness, are not only negative basic prerequisites, basic thoughts and basic feelings that you have created yourselves, but also positive ones, only that these are generally covered and overlaid through negative ones, and so are hardly or not at all felt and diffusely deformed. So in other words; Billy is clearly speaking to the reader as an individual. Billy is clearly adhering to the Seven Steps, the 1st being to work on one self and improve oneself (empower oneself). We have to start with ourselves first, correct? Thus the language of Billy's words. His instructions in the 2nd part of the text is really to oneself as advice and for consideration. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Andrew_hua Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 12-2013 |
If a moralist feels the need to continue punishing a former prison inmate after he has done his time, wouldn't that mean the moralist is viewing past ignominies as being greater than the present, rather than the present ignominy being the greatest, as it states in verse 95? | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 674 Registered: 10-2009 |
Andrew I would think that the current ignomies the moralist feels are that the former prisoner would be the same "horrible" person he was before going to jail. That's why "once a criminal, always a criminal" gets bandied around a lot from these types of moralists. I personally feel that all former prisoners always have the ability to learn from their mistakes and redeem themselves. Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. |
