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    Andrew_grimshaw Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 08-2014 |
Hi David & Sheila, I admit that "The unachievable expectations of obligations, annoy me." has a double meaning, but the main one is that I am expected to do 5-6hrs worth of work in 4hrs, I pride myself on doing a bloody good job, but sometimes it's now allowed. I was on the ground at the front lines in South East Queensland's fight against the imported Fire Ant, didn't we learn a lesson already from the Cane Toad. I am all for Permaculture. Indoor growing under lights is the future, I think. NO PESTICIDES REQUIRED! Until we clean up our biosphere, that is. | ||
Andrew_grimshaw Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 08-2014 |
I'm sure you know I meant: but sometimes it's NOT allowed. oops & doh | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 754 Registered: 10-2009 |
I did know what you meant ;) I'm having a hard time finding info on your fight against red ants and canes toads. Can you tell me more please? Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Andrew_grimshaw Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 08-2014 |
 Fire Ants in Queensland: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=queensland+fire+ant&t=ffnt&atb=v39-6as&ia=web QLD Gov site: https://www.business.qld.gov.au/industry/agriculture/land-management/health-pests-weeds-diseases/pests/fire-ants-queensland Cane Toad in Australia: "These toads were supposedly being used successfully in the Carribbean islands and in Hawaii to combat the cane beetle, a pest of sugar cane crops... It was later discovered that the toads (scientific name Bufo marinus) can't jump very high so they did not eat the cane beetles which stayed up on the upper stalks of the cane plants." http://frogsafe.org.au/cane_toads/history.shtml https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cane+toad+history+australia&t=ffab&atb=v39-6as&ia=web & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSsUXMjXXp4 It's like a religion in QLD!  | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2656 Registered: 12-1999 |
Please lets back to the topic heading | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1246 Registered: 07-2009 |
I hope this is a good place to post this antidote-for-religion news: The New Translation of the Talmud Jmmanuel Is Here! http://theyflyblog.com/?p=4214 The true teaching of the man falsely known as "Jesus Christ" | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 521 Registered: 04-2013 |
A Christmas Gift: My immediate family insisted that I provide them with a short list of gifts that I needed for Christmas, even after I told them that I didn’t need anything. So, they were advised that I wanted a booklet from Michael Horn’s web site, titled, “Stop the Insanity of the Torture and Death Penalty!” and the “Meier Case Update” CD’s. . . Wonders will never cease; that’s what was received and perceptibly, a true gift in more ways than one, as at least one member of my family was exposed to Michael’s site and Billy’s Teaching. My immediate family is unfortunately very religious. At the dinner table prayers were not only said, but each person was invited to say their own imploration (plea; appeal or prayer). When my turn came up, “Saalome gam naan ben uurda”. After the prayer cycle, the head of that household immediately said to me, “what did you say?” It was explained that this meant “peace on Earth” in a very ancient language. Refrained from telling them that this was actually a Plejaren extraterrestrial language; that would have pushed them over the edge. All that can be done at this point is drop seeds of truth, hopefully something will germinate in time? My family knows that I’m very interested in history and ancient history as well. Saalome Kenneth | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 226 Registered: 02-2010 |
The holidays for me have been particularly physically painful because I come from a predominately Black community where there's a church on every corner and let's just face it ....the Black community is heavily heavily religiously delusional.... however at the same time I have a Spanish relatives and Asian relatives who are as well extremely religiously delusional so needless to say during the holiday times there is a battle between who is more holier than thou ....usually I refrain from the conversation but recently I told them all I am not religious and I do not appreciate some of the conversations ...needless to say it has caused a strain... MsMichelle | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 10-2016 |
Ms Michelle, detaching from religious delusion can create discord among the person detaching, and the religious ones. This is an especially delicate situation when it involves family members. I would say you did the correct thing with your passive statement. I wish you can come away from this situation safely, and in a way that you can maintain a harmonious nuetral-positive balance in your thoughts, and and feelings. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 524 Registered: 04-2013 |
MsMichelle, Totally understand; I'm pretty much in the same boat. Was having an interesting distant conversation with a family member regarding the creation of Adam; as in Adam & Eve. We (FIGU) understand that Adam was created by Semjasa who we identify as a Demigod. Questions that I couldn’t answer: 1. Was Adam ever a baby, if so, and he was the very first person on Earth, who took care of him? 2. How old was Adam when he was created? 3. If Adam wasn’t fashioned with dust by God, what was he created with? My answer: (I suspect this was with genetics and DNA manipulation, etc.) 4. If the original sin was not the eating of the fruit in the Garden of Eden, what was the original sin? My answer, (The original sin was the genetic manipulation, repeatedly let the obsession for fighting and evil to surface from time immemorial. . . This entire matter is based upon the manipulation of a single DNA gene that can be rectified if only our geneticists were to finally discover it.) 5. Why would God, the all-powerful being waist his time with genetic manipulation when God could just create mankind with his thoughts as he did the rest of the universe. (This appears to be the point in all of these conversations where it’s difficult not to mention the extraterrestrial connection) My answer: (The God as taught in Sunday school is not who you think he is, The God that you know is not a divine being per say. He was and is a human being.) Conversation ended for the time being. - - - - - - 6. Anticipated upcoming question: If God was a human being, who was he? For the religiously constrained, suspect that it will come as a shock when their informed and enlightened to the fact that the genetic manipulation was originally done by “creator overlords” from the Sirius-region on specific human beings in a different part of the universe. This information will do one of two things; push my family member over the edge and distance our relationship OR they will see the light so to speak, where I can direct them to Billy’s Teaching and the many books and other material evidence and knowledge that FIGU offers. Billy is correct; in my own paraphrasing; crossing swards with the religious adherents and believers should not be of an anterior contention; they have either reached this comprehension in their own evolution or they have not. http://www.theyfly.com/articles/Contact_251.htm Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Historeed Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 09-2008 |
Regarding the discussion of religion vs the Spiritual Teaching with family members: About 8 years ago, my father came to visit me and while I was at work one day, and he noticed the Talmud Jmmanuel book on my shelf and began to read it. When I returned home from work late that day, he was sitting there finishing up the book. My initial reaction was fear since I assumed "oh no, this is not the conversation I was prepared to have" since my family had been church goers my entire life. However, to my surprise, my father looked at me, smiled and said something like "Wow, if this is true, this changes everything". Over the course of the next week, my father read & watched everything I had about the Meier Case, etc. and came to the conclusion that it is real and religion was false. Needless to say, his new found thoughts caused tension with my mother, but over these past years even she is starting to open up to these ideas. I feel lucky that I've mostly avoided family problems over the Meier case, religion, etc., but I certainly sympathize with how it must feel to struggle with explaining or hiding these truths from religious family members. Matthew Reed | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 728 Registered: 08-2010 |
I used to make the mistake until I learned how to be effective; or in other words, until I learned how to interact in a creational-wise conscientious way. As I learned from Ptaahs various explanations, the advice (recommendation) in the Goblet of the Truth is to apply the "Leading Thought" ....as apposed to "telling" them something which we cannot prove (Ptaah says to avoid claims we cannot prove). If we do not steer and guide through the application of the "Leading Thought" then we are offering nothing more than another 'belief' which will naturally be rejected ....out of fear of offending their God and being punished. This is an up-hill battle we will never win. Better to lead them through the application of the 'Leading Thought' in order to activate their intellect and get them to think and rationalize. Even if this seed only lasts for a few seconds worth of time. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 227 Registered: 02-2010 |
I agree, either they will get it or they will not as far as the truth is concerned about religion..... I never knew so much could be so penetrated in the brain....it is equivalent to reversing brain damage..... in The Way to Live(388) BEAM talk about our arrogant human thinking... which is the root cause of a lot of this illogical thinking about religion however I must admit as a young girl, gospel music inspired me because of the harmonizing voices which comfort me doing a lot of tension I experienced growing up.. therefore I truly feel Music will somehow assist with reversing some the arrogant human thinking due to religion MsMichelle | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 401 Registered: 07-2006 |
Msmichelle, I would like to suggest reading the article "Talkativeness and Proselytizing" from FIGU's website and translated hear: https://www.creationaltruth.org/FIGU/FIGUSociety/AboutFIGU/TalkativenessandProselytizing.aspx Hope this helps Salome PatM | ||
Stardustwilly Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 01-2015 |
Well, my situation with informing a family member of anything, is just bad for me, for example a family member, and inlaw passed away this month, so with another family member who is only related to this person by law, didn't come to know him until latter in life as the result of a marriage, so this person is going to be cremated, and I discuss this with a close biological family member in private, I just kind of made the comment, when he sad, it will be cremation for them, and I said, they might not wish to do that, I didn't really get into the details, of which I barely understand myself, (because somebody else doesn't wish to explain to us). the kind of questions, I got, well can't the fluid forces go through the ashes, answer no, well what about people in a building fire, answer yes, went on even asking about holocaust victims, answer no, if they've been to ashes. The point is every time I try to convey even the most simple recommendations, not complicated timelines of Earth History, or the Universe, time travel, ufo's, none of this mentioned, just simple things, don't keep cats, dogs, or birds in the house, you might not want to cremate yourself. During the election I told a few people, and family member, well I kind of read some really bad things about Hillary, then it's, all you really believe that stuff they write, that stuff is fake news, so now anytime I say anything different, like small bits of info, it's don't be reading that fake news. I've said other things, just more folks I know, family, they, or they knew somebody, well guys around here put up game cammeras in the woods around here, and one of them last year captured some image, that they said look like a yeti, I ask, that I wouldn't mind taking a look, just curious, evidently they, or he didn't think I needed to see it, but anyway, I kinda tried to get a couple minutes of his attention, about what I read about the orgins of the yeti, bigfoot, mystery, I was just speaking hypothetically, I was saying you know I read some material on the orgin of the yeti, I don't know if it's true, but it's something to think about, I mentioned Darwin, could have been a fraud, and I said could have been, I wasn't forcing the truth on anybody. Same thing later in the fall of this year, had a bunch out with a campfire and night on the weekend, bunch keep yelping about how big and full the moon was, and how funny it looked, some I kinda said something about there used to be two moons, and then the recent one in orbit, has only been in place about 5million or less years ago, that got a question or two by a kid, I really couldn't get into that, because of what little I knew. Same way with Mars, around here in the Summer, Mars comes out low in the Southern sky, I said, I could tell you some story about that planet, they said, quote " Well don't tell me, because I wouldn't understand" Every single time you run anything by anybody, it's the same old, you would be just as good talking to a door, or fence post, or animal. | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 655 Registered: 12-2011 |
Stardustwilly My advice is not too much info unless the person is interested.People have trouble dealing with all the rubbish fed to them. Out of 10 people you meet only 2 might be interested. joe | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 656 Registered: 12-2011 |
Msmichelle People that cannot handle life and do not have confidence in themselves need religion. Take all the third world countries they are not educated to know any better.That is why all these missionaries were able to convert them. joe | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 285 Registered: 04-2006 |
We all are in the same situation here with religion and with people that are numbed out to looking for truth. Most are not currently free and active thinkers, looking for the truth. If someone is not really committed to examining everything they have been and are being spoon fed, then it is unlikely they will grab up the TJ and rip through it like Mr. Reed's dad did. That was awesome Matt thanks... I have suffered a separation from my wife and some of my kids, not in a physical or loving sense, but in an uncomfortable silence on certain topics, if you catch my drift... At first you want to tell everyone, then after you invest yourself and learn the teaching, you become somewhat protective of the treasure that you have found... If someone isn't desiring and actively looking for the truth in all the information that flows around us then they probably don't qualify as someone you can trust sharing things with... I'm not as tough as the prophets to be able to shout people down and I just don't think it's going to happen effectively that way, as I recall Billy saying small groups is where it will be most effective with like minded persons... Peace, Matt B... | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 527 Registered: 04-2013 |
Thank you all for this information and recommendations; it’s very helpful. Matthew R, That was a wonderful story about your Father reading the Talmud Jmmanuel book, this will be a good coffee table book from now on. PatM, Regarding the link. This paragraph on the “Talkativeness and Proselytizing” link hit a cord; "Therefore every human being should stand constantly critical of him/herself and not unnecessarily chatter about those things of the teaching which, strictly speaking, will not yet correctly be understood. Every human being consider also that oneself and the next ones (neighbors) with half-truths and untruths lead into confusion and thus the path of the truth-finding will be difficult." Eddieamartin, "Ptaahs various explanations, the advice (recommendation)". I should have known better; point well taken. Matt B, Joe, Yes, “we all are in the same situation”, good point. “People that cannot handle life and do not have confidence in themselves need religion”; another excellent viewpoint. --------------------------------------- My wife is not a bible thumper as many of my other religious relatives and neighbors are; nonetheless, it's now obvious to me that she is truly not ready for the Truth of this Spiritual Teaching. However, she does not try to constrain me for this study, other than voicing her grave concern when visiting the Arizona Study Group; she’s worried about, her words “me being abducted or brainwashed into a cult group.” I’ve reassured her many times that this is NOT a cult. Very slowly she may be coming around? For her, the fact that extraterrestrials exist, have come to Earth many times, meeting with Billy Meier, influenced technology and culture on Earth is currently beyond her comprehension. Sincerely Kenneth Salome | ||
Ilovebilly Member Post Number: 514 Registered: 04-2011 |
Some thoughts (Billy) The only method in existence whereby an individual can change all of humanity toward a better way of life and to maintain life and the world. http://ca.figu.org/what-tangible-action-the-individual-can-take.html being a good example, i do things to see if a person is like minded, the only real way to find out is to chat i never push, its just like fishing i try to tell most people/religious folks (in conversation if i get a chance) i think my spirit is created/from the universe i dont push, i just drop thoughts,i let it sink in first,it goes deep over time, some know immediately or very quickly they are from the universe, a light We all know deep down we are from the universe (The Creation) In time it does sink in and isnt a shock/dosnt offend When they realize where their spirit is from is the start of changes deep down that are vital i then mention the universe dosnt want to be worshiped, they know deep down is true too non religious folks i tell em above and god was just a dude (no different than us) who had ufos n stuff and liked to lord it over others,they can picture it happening To see if someone is like minded People interested in meditation are more open to spiritual topics, often i start with that or talk about reincarnation, things their spirit and consciousness already knows deep down, later build on that with concepts from the teaching that they dont know, its genuine interest in what they know consciously, tells u a lot about whats trying to come out sub-consciously,its very easy then to drop thoughts (on things u sense) that do bring it out Why we are born has most folks stumped, if u tell them why it goes deep and not a shock/offense,it leads to conclusions that are vital (evolution of spirit and body through knowledge/wisdom/Love) Those topics go deep and they remember Talk about concepts in the teaching that interest you (can be interesting to others), over time many topics/seeds of truth, no agenda other than chit chat/seeking truth When people have thee teaching they will shine, atm its a gold mine, forgive them,they often dont know what they r doing Negative energies can be cleared from around you with your thoughts/vibe/Love vibes, more on that soon At the start of the age of Aquaries Things can happen that no one can foresee and other wild cards (codex expired) also old ways are allowed to come into play (clauses in Creational Law), also in the 80s when Billy left the mission (temporarily,mission had failed) our mates (in Despair) went to the HC who went to the AA level, the AA removed a Vital restriction (gloves Taken FULLY Off Semjase got a bit worked up,u know what happens when a women gets worked up ;-)), this comes into play (matures) soon especially when Billy dies, also the state of consciousness on earth allows certain assistance to be enforced/requested,like with an insane person (impulses) A very OLD saying, no plan is a good plan: when time/psy is used no plan is a good plan,it just happens,its from a special place ;-) +Shemjase says:YOUR Spirit Stands Outside of Time+ Calm the storm within you cant imagine what that actually does (Its what The Creation does) or who you are and what you can do. Especially when you realise death and our fears are just a veil, we can cast of the veil with the Teaching/The Creations Law. A fast trip to high evolution The Creations Law is inside us, our experiences/meditation brings it forward, importantly the desire to know The Creation and The Laws, ask yourself in meditation what is it I know thangs look like shizer but you never know whats around the corner ;-) The light of The Creation is always with you when u want/need it,its kinda important to know that. Doing the peace meditation is important Happy new year, may the Creation be with you :-) Salome ilovebilly Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them. | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 228 Registered: 02-2010 |
Thanks MsPam.... for refamiliarizing me with that link.... and also when I sit back and think about this a bit deeper I understand eventually all families will eventually "get it" and reverse the damaging effects of religion.... thanks everyone for sharing your personal experiences MsMichelle | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 186 Registered: 01-2011 |
 And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time. ~ T. S. Eliot | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 10-2016 |
Like Redbeard says, at first you want to tell everybody. When I came upon the case initially, I tried to bring in an immediate relative which backfired on me considerably, she literally thought I was crazy. Years have gone by, and sometimes I think of giving it another go, she could be more open-minded this time, but as Redbeard also said, I have grown considerably protective of the case as well. Here's a few passages from 2000 years ago to stare into the calm waters of this calm lake of the old wise words, if one wants to involve the heavily religious (*1): 9) "Truly you should not give holy (vernerable) things to the dogs, nor throw your pearls (knowledge and wisdom) before the swine, lest they trample them with their feet and they turn on you and tear you apart." 9) "Wahrlich, ihr sollet das Heilige (Ehrwürdige) nicht den Hunden geben and eure Perlen (Wissen und Weisheit) nicht vor die Säue werfen, auf dass sie dieselben nicht zertreten mit ihren Füssen und sie sich wenden und euch zerreissen." 10) "Truly, I say to you: Do not throw your spiritual (consciousness-based) treasure into the dirt and do not waste it on the unworthy, because they will not thank you and will tear you apart, for their power of thought (their intellect) and their insight (rationality) are small, and their spirit (consciousness) is weak and uneducated." 10) "Wahrlich, ich sage euch: Werfet nicht euer geistiges (bewusstseins-mässiges) Gut in den Schmutz und verschwendet es nicht an Unwürdige, denn sie danken es euch nicht und zerreissen euch, denn ihre Denkkraft (ihr Verstand) und ihre Einsicht (Vernunft) sind klein und ihr Geist (Bewusstsein) ist schwach und ungebildet." ----- To summarize: only share the case with those that possess the sound judgement to be receptive to the mind-blowing information. And in my experience this could go either way, what I thought would happen, and what actually transpired when I shared were two different things. Unofficially though, in an effort to take care of their people, and prevent future death, at the very least I wish world governments and world sciences would be broadcasting the truth about overpopulation (and the damage it does, and could cause) on mainstream television. This would give the Earth the chance to unbury their head in the sand, and prevent casualties by fishing for global consensus to procreate wisely. Who knows, maybe after this, in 10-40 years, more controversial matters could be brought to public light, such as reincarnation, the law of cause and effect, small tidbits to allow terrestrials to slowly detach from religion, and not be so embrasive to the untruth, bigotry, and fanaticism in an effort to slowly liberate the general population. And those that wanted to stay religious, could, but those that would want to walk away should be given the proper path to place their feet. These actions would cause great changes to our planet in which maybe the world's militaries could be used to neutralize war/create peace (gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit), and terrorists and criminals could be properly banished to islands, and isolated land-tracts. Billy has said we as a race are inhibited, but at the same time inhibitive, and isn't it time to break away from this tradition, and bring in a new cog-wheel for the machine that needs to be repaired? ----- Getting back to the original conversational dialogue of this thread, I think MsMichelle did the right thing by making a simple-general-passive statement about no longer being religious. This can create some distance between their delusion, and her quest for the truth. Billy has also said simple statements are best when dealing with the religious. ----- 1 = new TJ 2011 edition verses 7:9 and 7:10 translated by Benjamin Stevens/copyright FIGU/BEAM Salome/Corey Müske |
