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Joseph_emmanuel
Member
Post Number: 257
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 08:50 am: | 
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Eddieamartin,
I take your point regarding reality.
When I spoke of it I didn't think of it as presented by the GOT. But you're right to make the distinction between "the actual reality that actually exists and not some reality based on religiosity or delusional belief." |
Joseph_emmanuel
Member
Post Number: 258
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 08:39 am: |
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Carolyn
Are you trying to liven things up here?
You said: Who came up with the myth and the idea that humans are born with "Free Will"?
I can see where you are coming from in your reasoning. "Freedom only exists until it clashes with someone else's freedom". So you're suggesting that we impose ourselves on each others' free will, and the stronger will always wins and, in so doing, limits the freedom of others. That makes sense, and I think it's true to our way of life. But nobody said that our free will won't ever be compromised.
You are your own world and I guess the trick, in this universe, is to avoid colliding with each other. Not always possible. But there is law and order in the known universe and that allows for harmony to exist. |
Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 339
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 09:55 am: |
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During my initial observation of the forum and my subsequent involvement in the forum, I've noticed a trend of so-called abstract intellectuals will pop on the scene and tear apart every meaning of a "word" "ideas" or "concepts" presented.....IMO, it is a definite attempt to Debate the Intellectual"ness" rather than the Rational,Reasonable, Logicial"ness" of the discussion..... in most cases it is definitely a translation issue since we all come from various parts of this Planet.... when you talk about "history" it means very little to me since most of it is False, Fraud and/or completely Wrong ...... touting past History ( which is layered with religious Doctrine ) to justify your attempts to create argument and to be Right will reveal itself at some point and you will get frustrated and you will leave the forum.... Free will equals Free will no matter how you attempt to doctor it up.... the Genuine Seekers of the Truth on this forum will Call you out..... We are here to give guidance to one another in order to help to deal with our outside situations... IMO, so-called abstract intellectuals are no different than the majority of the religiously delusional people on this Planet
MsMichelle
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Tyler
Member
Post Number: 88
Registered: 03-2017
| | Posted on Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 09:50 am: |
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Get your psyche a repair, wherever you are. Can you do that?
Everyone has to do their part so we can make it to the next Ebene together.
Important guideance from Billy:
http://beam.figu.org/artikel/1496468216/wichtige-fragen-die-der-mensch-zu-sich-selbst-stellen-muss
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Kenneth
Member
Post Number: 687
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 11:14 am: |
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Tyler,
With respect, we must choose our words carefully. You said, “…Please continue to tell us in intricate detail why you are certain within your mind that Jmmanuel cannot have possessed the identical spirit-form as Billy's, …”
Not contradicting you, perhaps elaborating? It’s recognize that both Jmmanuel and Billy (BEAM) had the same spirit forms; as implied, the purpose of re-embodiment over and over, is to gain knowledge and wisdom for the spirit form as an aid in the next embodiment. When Asket took Billy back in time to meet Jmmanuel, did Jmmanuel not inform Billy of his more advanced/knowledgeable spirit? Would this not mean that Jmmanuel’s and Billy’s spirit forms are/were not identical?
I’m not at a place where I can pull up that Contact Report, but it should not be difficult to locate?
Sincerely
Kenneth |
Joseph_emmanuel
Member
Post Number: 259
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 09:35 am: |
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Tyler,
If you're going to reply to my posts, which I suspect you hate doing (maybe just a little), then please don't misconstrue them.
You said: Please continue to tell us in intricate detail why you are certain within your mind that Jmmanuel cannot have possessed the identical spirit-form as Billy's.
I didn't say that. Nowhere in my post do I say that Jmmanuel does not have the same spirit form as Billy's. So I can't really answer you. But in my defense I will stress again that I don't dispute the claims made by Billy, nor the material disseminated by him. I may question them, but I accept their validity and authenticity... if that makes sense.
Your reply to me is supercilious (for want of a better word). I was going to say arrogant or conceited, but I'm not sure if that says what I mean. Your reply comes from a position that implies you know better (the religious attitude, as I call it - "I'm right and you're wrong" - very prevalent on this forum). You don't know better. I don't know better. No one here knows better.
That said, you're a Pisces and I'm a Virgo. We're opposites, man! You see things from a completely different perspective than I do. You have a tendency to feel your way through life, to sense and intuit your way, and use your imagination. I respect that, although I will say that Christianity originated during the Age of Pisces. |
Tyler
Member
Post Number: 89
Registered: 03-2017
| | Posted on Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 02:27 pm: |
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It's really like that Michael..?
Clear sky... why did I not think of that???
Important guideance from Billy:
http://beam.figu.org/artikel/1496468216/wichtige-fragen-die-der-mensch-zu-sich-selbst-stellen-muss
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Tyler
Member
Post Number: 91
Registered: 03-2017
| | Posted on Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 09:45 am: |
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Damn, I've been getting hit by the swinging waves from this forum. They are so terrible and awful. What have we done to it.. or, what has been done to it?
Joseph, you are an insightful guy, and very bright. I don't hold a single bit of hostility to you, and am not really a leader either, and you are just getting hit by swinging waves too. I was in an unreal, imagined conflict against you before. Somehow this place is infected by them- the swinging waves were hitting me, making me perceive you like an enemy of the truth.
I've forgotten what I intended to say aside that, if it was anything, but ...
... nature is really great and fortifying. Please fix up your house Joseph. Fix up your vessel. You need to. You aren't yourself yet. Just fix up your house please.
Everyone fix up your house. Fix up your vessel.
There are some negative swinging waves here. You need to be strong enough to recognise them, so they will not affect you. I don't know whose personality is radiating them, but it could be that everyone here is fine and a real student, and these are just left over swinging wave impressions from the past decade, back when there was a big infestation of bad dissenters who stirred up trouble.
It is possible that we can all be earnest, but the left over radiating impression of the old dissenters is causing problems. It could have been the Giza boys, but they're gone now.
Important guideance from Billy:
http://beam.figu.org/artikel/1496468216/wichtige-fragen-die-der-mensch-zu-sich-selbst-stellen-muss
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Corey
Member
Post Number: 218
Registered: 10-2016
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 07, 2017 - 11:16 pm: |
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~The truth is realized in layers for those who are wise enough to want to follow the cosmic laws and recommendations of Creation. They will make their realizations for each layer, and progress further.
A well-developed person such as Billy, who already evolved through all the layers of material living once, and was a sub-level of the Arahat Athersata pure-spirit-level, is someone to aspire to be like in knowledge, wisdom, love, inner-peace, freedom, and harmony, for someone like him, these things are so attached to his consciousness.
I can provide GOT verses where one can read about the layers (taking things step-by-step), if there is a request. I have no idea where I am in my 40-60 millions of years of consciousness-related development, but things for me always get better and better, and with each added granular of striving, with each passing day, I grow more strength and more developed with treasures of the consciousness. I know I have to die sometime, but I truly wish I can live to be a very old man, as long as I can study the books and see this cycle to be more wiser, and more wiser. I can only imagine how fulfilling it will be like, some centuries from now, when terrestrials are largely well-versed in developmental progress, and the populace is reciprocal of each other in a congruent wise. It will be the greatest time the Earth has ever experienced, and that is because of the Nokodemion spirit-form.~
Salome/Corey Müske
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Justinelombard
Member
Post Number: 7
Registered: 06-2016
| | Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2017 - 09:01 pm: |
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When I first came across the contact reports, there were some parts that I read with tears flowing down my face because many many instances of my past came to mind where I was involved in situations, some small and "insignificant" and others larger and of more vital importance where striving for the better good, the higher ideals and the betterment of everything i.e. the observation of natural laws were not being followed, and how I always felt growing up that there was something missing and wrong with the world which caused great sadness in me. Such as the way we treat each other, the concept of true love, and our responsibility as human beings to look after and protect as opposed to going out there to conquer, divide and amass as much individual wealth as we possibly can. This concept of what was expected of me in life never sat well with me and I rebelled and did everything to avoid responsibility thrust upon me by establishment.
So when I read some of the secrets such as the duration of the human spirit, reincarnation and the fact that time and space travel have been around for aeons already (except only hidden from us on this planet) It made so much sense to me and has actually given me light at the end of the tunnel that is this life. The damage that is done even in the smallest situations where people do not strive for the higher good can not be measured, it simply leads eventually to long term failure even if some people find short term success and an ego boost out of the thrill of conquering others.. Often I found myself at the short end of the stick when it came to negotiations, having to deal with extreme materialism and people that deem it their birthright to win over others be it goods and chattels (money) or emotional beating down of others so that the aggressor appears to rise above. I find so much comfort and joy in reading from the Goblet of the Truth that I would be interested in which verses you (Corey) could point out that discuss the layers of truth as you put it, like a type of study group, because even though I am at the beginning of my "studies", I would rather be doing something that involves discussing the material and engaging with others who do actually know what they are talking about because it lessens the burden of not having anyone in my life that acknowledges the material let alone is capable or willing to discuss and engage, so please feel free to post what you intended with your offer because you have willing ears here. |
Tyler
Member
Post Number: 97
Registered: 03-2017
| | Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2017 - 05:11 pm: |
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This thread is so messy. I'm getting really stressed out about it.
Does anybody feel so too?
Anyway, Joseph, yeah I can know it. You could too.
I worked really, really hard in my life, so I earned my cognitions that have come now and then and then left a mark on me so I don't forget them totally even when I'm back to "normal life".
Important guideance from Billy:
http://beam.figu.org/artikel/1496468216/wichtige-fragen-die-der-mensch-zu-sich-selbst-stellen-muss
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Corey
Member
Post Number: 226
Registered: 10-2016
| | Posted on Friday, June 09, 2017 - 10:11 pm: |
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Not really sure where to put this..
~So 4/5 of Earth humanity suffer from belief in God-delusion (per Billy), and their consciousnesses are attached to the unnatural man-made web of energetical electromagnetic waves such as fanaticism, untruth, and lies and deception, revenge, the pathological craving for revenge and retaliation, and they cannot separate fact from fiction, does this mean that for most of Earth humanity, the creative-natural swinging-waves from the Universal Consciousness that come from the love of the Creation's laws and recommendations, that could be attached to the human consciousness miss (deviate) from the planet Earth for most people, because their consciousnesses are attached to the waves of religious untruth?
Salome/Corey Müske
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Joseph_emmanuel
Member
Post Number: 275
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2017 - 04:41 am: |
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Corey,
I don't see how the creative-natural swinging-waves (not that I understand anything about it) could miss or deviate from Earth while influencing those of us who are not affected by the unnatural man-made electromagnetic waves. I think it's more like oil and water. The unnatural man-made electromagnetic waves are surrounded by the creative-natural swinging-waves but remain separated from each other. |
Eddieamartin
Member
Post Number: 776
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2017 - 07:58 am: |
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Corey,
Interesting question (post #226)
As far as my experience has been, I would have to say yes in regards to religiosity and religious thinking. The harm of religiosity is deeply rooted and, to get through it, is equivalent to climbing a very steep mountain full of thorns.
With my business partners and friends, I find that it is more akin to a smooth sail ride by sticking to the teaching of the spirit and the life. Even my religious friends and family resonate with these two aspects of the spiritual teaching. They even chime in in agreement with the logic and soundness of these aspects.
It is only thereafter that they can handle a little snippet of the truth teaching, so long as it remains neutral and logical; such as the discussion of possible intelligent life in the universe and whether advanced extraterrestrials have come to our planet ...and the logical/possible reasons why they would likely avoid contacting us. Even they agree that they themselves, if they were extraterrestrials, would choose not to make contact.
Regarding the Contact Reports.
To the forum.
Let me clarify that the Contact Reports are informational and invaluable in many regards. I especially sought to see how Billy and the Plejaren express or act according to creational laws and recommendations. There is a lot to learn from them, but this aspect of their ways and approach to the life, challenges and learning opportunities and work ethics, and expressing thoughts and instruction (structuring their words) etc., etc. is far more easily recognizable the more educated one becomes through the study of the spiritual teaching books. But, each person must make this determination for themselves.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Votan
Member
Post Number: 801
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2017 - 02:23 pm: |
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Boring and boring.
Hardly anything is posted now.
What is going on with FIGU. I wonder if Billy is aware of what is going on.
joe
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2695
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2017 - 05:04 pm: |
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Votan, I Don't know if you check the other forums, but the English Forum is by far the most active. No one has posted on the German Forum for weeks. It has been stated over and over again, this Forum is concerning FIGU and the GiestesLehre (Spiritual Teachings) which are very needed on this planet currently and into the distant future. I don't think you would disagree with that. If you like I can ask to see if Billy is aware of the recent changes which have been made?
Regards
Scott |
Tyler
Member
Post Number: 99
Registered: 03-2017
| | Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2017 - 01:20 pm: |
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That is so a good analogy, Joseph.
I wish American English doesn't have to sound so formal, because you can't see my personality in my words.
That means we have to purify our consciousness and then the creational activities can reach into it, yeah?
I read in the goblet, how we treat our body is how we also treat our consciousness, so if our body is polluted, then that means our consciousness cannot too easily or effectively be aligned with the Creation's swinging waves?
And we have to get more pure in our psyche too, right? and if we laugh at honest questions, that is a sign of our psyche's impurity? but if we are sincere and don't laugh at a child who asks a sincere question, then that is a sign we have a pure psyche?
Zuviel reden macht lächerlich:
http://beam.figu.org/zitate/1496468150/zuviel-reden-macht-l%C3%A4cherlich
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2696
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2017 - 10:38 am: |
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Votan,
Both Billy and the Plejaren know about the changes made to the English FIGU Forum.
Scott |
Eddieamartin
Member
Post Number: 777
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2017 - 11:19 am: |
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I for one am grateful to their decision and the changes.
These new guidelines, help us actually think, formulate our thoughts and articulate ourselves more precisely, cohesively and productively.
This decision of theirs is absolutely in line with creational principles ...very impressive! I would not have been able to recognize this fact had I not arduously studied the Goblet Of The Truth.
Absolutely impressive!
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Hugo
Member
Post Number: 410
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2017 - 03:57 pm: |
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Scott, so the Plejaren must follow this English forum to know that? |
Carolyn
Member
Post Number: 18
Registered: 05-2017
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2017 - 06:40 am: |
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The German forum has some emotional problems in it and I guess everybody has just decided to keep quiet for the time being. . . . me included.
A time for every purpose under heaven
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Votan
Member
Post Number: 803
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2017 - 04:03 pm: |
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Eddieamartin
That is fine but can we have some interesting thoughts behind it.
Something new.
joe
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2699
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2017 - 08:07 am: |
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Votan,
Perhaps you can provide some "interesting thoughts" on the topic?
Scott |
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