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    Kiwilove Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 02-2005 |
I may as well ask this question - please post this in the appropriate forum, if any... If only 1/3? or thereabouts of the Talmud Jmmanuel has survived --- and with growing interest in the text, would it not be possible some way, some how? to access the whole text??? One would surmise the Plejarens have the means to do this, either technically (time travel or instruments to view the past, etc) or spiritually (via astral projection), and likewise for Billy Meier in the later sense. Is there any confirmation for the accuracy of the text 'The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ' by Levi. I wonder if this text is wholey accurate? I know that Ed T Martin makes reference to this book. Just wondering... Harvey Harvey, A little time searching may reveal many topic areas which you are unaware of. It takes a number of steps to move a post, so any time spent searching for the correct area would indeed save the moderators time in keeping up with numerous posts as they appear. Thanks-Moderator | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 704 Registered: 02-2000 |
I'll answer Harvey's question here by posting a poor translation of an answer to his question. But you can still get the gist of it. Reader question Talmud Jmmanuel, page 162-164: Wasn't it possible to arrange a time journey into the past in order to copy the scrolls before the sealing? Or is there nothing to be lost or known, are these texts not registered with Ptaah or in the Arahat Athersata Spirit level or in the Akasha chronicle Memory banks , in order to be able to be called up from there? Arthur usury/Switzerland Answer: At present the preparation of the scrolls these were taken over recording-moderately constantly by the Plejadiern/Plejaren and guaranteed thus, therefore this before the resin sealing was not still particularly necessary and why also no past journey was necessary for their surely position. By the translation of the scrolls by Isa Rashid as well as by the assistance of the Pleiaden/Plejaren the scrolls were in every detail revised by me and published then after Ptaahs of OK ONE for the pressure. The remaining material, which could not be translated by Isa Rashid any longer, is not of great importance, because it referred only to repetitions of the teachings Jmmanuels, which it spread in India, therefore practically no more largely or at all no damage developed by the destruction. The writings did not fall into the Israelis hands, but they were clearly destroyed, as Semjase, Quetzal and Ptaah clearly explained. And there it with the missing remaining material only around repetitions of teaching acts, its also not of any value to think over it still further; the really important material was still promptly translated and published as Talmud Jmmanuel. Billy | ||
Kiwilove Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 02-2005 |
Thanks Norm, I appreciated the answer very much, as no one likes to know that the best bits are missing from an excellent text. In regard to Jim's reply --- I got the Talmud Jmmanuel English text from a file sharing network/program. I'm not in a position to be able to order DVDs, booklets, books, etc that I would like access to, or even the local city library, so file sharing networks, is the only avenue open to me at present. The Talmud Jmmanuel text was not easy to locate or track down, as other Talmud material. eg. I downloaded lectures by Jim Deardorff and Dietmar Rothe that were videotaped, only to find out that the audio codec was not present, so I had the video but no audio. Luckily there is a transcript on the Internet of Dietmar's lecture (minus the slideshow text), but no transcript exists anywhere of Jim's lecture. I do hope that the Talmud Jmmanuel text will become freely available to anyone who wishes to read it - because the truth should be freely available, and not kept secret or hidden. I hope that the material will become publicised in the mainstream media, and not be regarded as something too controversial to mention. Such is the sad state of real truth - that it remains shocking and surprising, compared to the accepted truth of our present authorities and establishments. That current authorities and establishments want to remain in power and control, through being seen as being the authority of which they control. ie. governments, religious authorities and even academic (eg. egyptian authorities who wish to remain in control of that which they oversee). Truths connect with each other - Christians cannot accept that UFOs are in the bible, or that angels are ETs. If you were to read the Book of Ezekiel to someone, and then ask, what is being described here? A UFO is the obvious answer. Harvey | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 05-2004 |
I have to say, even though only a little more than a quarter of the original text managed to get translated before the entire text was destroyed, it does seem suspiciously convenient that the quarter that had been translated covers the whole Mathean gospel. Since the remaining three quarters were of no great importance, Isa Rashid seemed to have avoided its destruction or loss long enough to translate just the right amount of text apparently needed to capture our imagination. I can't help but feel that this is an unbelievable coincidence that must give critics justification in arguing their case that the TJ is false. "How convenient," they must think, “that the important part of the original text, which covers the whole Mathean gospel, was translated before it was destroyed.” We apparently have just what we need. The rest was extraneous material, repeating what is already disclosed (hardly befitting a man who spoke against empty speech). What was the point, in that case, in writing it down? Was it intended as a biography as well as a discourse in the teachings of Creation? That at least would make some sense to the claim that the untranslated part of the original text was irrelevant. If all that needed to be said was written down, why didn’t Jmmanuel end the text just after his crucifixion? It is enough to know that he survived and went on to India, where preached the same to them, without making Judas Iscariot scribble it all down again and future generations read it over and over (even though this wasn’t the case, the fact that it had been written down proves that it was intended to be read from beginning to end). Although I do find Jmmanuel’s story and teachings of Creation and the natural laws credible, and most likely to have happened in the way the TJ depicts than in the way the Gospel reveals it, without the original text critics can go on denying it, and ordinary people can go on doubting its authenticity for generations. I myself reserve some doubt about it (however, before anyone goes on to question this, let me just say that it is because I choose to entertain all possibilities). Why should we ask of anyone to accept on faith or trust (whatever you want to call it) the authenticity of the TJ? This is exactly what Saul asked of the Greeks, and what the early Church fathers asked of the world. It might reveal a lot of spiritual truth, but who is to say that it reveals historical truth? Fiction is just as effective in causing the public to think. Jmmanuel understood that, which was why he spoke in parables. And regardless of what any one of us here thinks about the TJ, we can’t prove its historical authenticity when an inquisitive member of the public asks us to prove it. We only have the credibility of the teachings and Eduard’s mission to support its genuineness. But is this enough to redefine history as we think it to be? A historian must go by evidence, and one’s credibility is not evidence. It just inspires trust. And in a world where trust has been abused horrendously in all areas of life, we can’t blame anyone for choosing to doubt what we claim is true. In fact, even though I accept what is happening here, I wouldn’t accept the propagation of the TJ as historical. Without evidence that would be wrong. And so I accept it myself as history but would refer to it to others as a likely alternative to the preposterous and unfounded claims the gospel makes. | ||
Jim Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 07-2003 |
In reply to Joseph_emmanuel, if some fraction of the TJ was to be lost before it could be translated and sent to Billy, that fraction could be 1/4, or one roll out of 4, as well as anything else. Accepting that it was 1/4, that means that the portion not lost would cover the early part of Jmmanuel's total life ministry. How could it be otherwise, in a writing that was in a chronological order? Hence the portion preserved covered his Palestinian ministry. However, it covered another 4 years or so after that, which is 5 chapters more than the chapters from which the writer of Matthew drew his material to form his gospel of 28 chapters. Obviously, the writer of Matthew had to omit practically all of that portion, plus that of the other 3 rolls coming after, since they involved what happened after Jmmanuel had survived the crucifixion and lived a long life. Thus what survives of the original TJ includes what's in the Gospel of Matthew in the highly distorted form its writer placed it. As to the "convenience" of the translation having covered at least this much (plus more), I suspect that this was not just an accident or coincidence, but rather that the Plejarens made sure that this much at least *would* definitely get translated and revealed to interested readers throughout the world. This would be so that the truth of Jmmanuel's teachings and the lies of Christianity would get exposed to those who could accept it. They could put an occasional thought into an occasional person's mind at the right time and place to make sure that a translation of that portion would survive. So my suspicion is that they did not bother to do more than this, in order that the evidence supporting the TJ's genuineness would not be so in-your-face strong that negative skeptics and those trapped in false beliefs would be forced to believe the TJ against their will. But we must not forget that Rashid did read through the full TJ and report the highlights to Meier, who then reported a brief summary of them in the TJ's Epilogue and Explanation. But since this is third-hand material, no one has to believe that if they don't want to. Jim | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hello Jim If the Plejarens made sure that so much of the TJ would definitely be translated and revealed to the public, that almost implies they could have made sure that all of it was translated. I not so sure the Plejarens had any influence in the translation of the TJ. If they did it seems somewhat perverse to allow it to be destroyed when they could have prevented it. As for the TJ being in-you-face, I'm sure Jmmanuel wasn't so sympathetic in his day towards the Scribes and Pharisees. | ||
Jim Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 07-2003 |
Hi Joseph, If the TJ had not been destroyed when it was, can you not see the great likelihood that it would have been destroyed later? Suppose it had later been handed over to some biblical scholars to analyze. They would have had much more incentive to never let it get back to Meier or go into public view than did the scholars who kept the Dead Sea scrolls out of view for several decades. So think of how much continued intervention the Plejarens would have had to do, to try to prevent future scholars who might examine the TJ from hiding it, destroying it, "losing" it, or whatever. If, somehow, the originals had survived, and continued to survive each and every scholarly probing of them, and its definite antiquity were somehow brought to the attention of the public through articles, news media and books by well known publishers, then this would probably mean that the public was ready for it after all. If not ready, then this scenario just wouldn't happen. My experience has been that scholars, religious authorities and the public are not ready for it. Jim | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi everyone It's been a while since I've posted anything on this forum. I have only one question currently, and it concerns the fourth edition of the TJ. Has this been publish yet? Thanks Joseph | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 705 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Joseph, To the best of my knowledge the 4th edition has not been released. I heard possibly next March, but that is completely unofficial. Scott | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 175 Registered: 03-2004 |
Looks like Jefferson thought the New Testament had clearly been altered: "The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills." -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814 "Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being." -Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820 | ||
Jim Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 07-2003 |
Hello Hunter, Jefferson was correct in noticing a lot of untruth and absurdity and contradictions in the Gospels. He actually published his own version of what he thought was the truth, gleaned from the Gospels. But of course even that contained a lot of the false teachings and distortions that the writer of Matthew had fed in. Jim | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear Jim Thanks for your tireless work in bringing to light this magnificent work everyone should replace their old bible for, for it truly is the original bible. Jim I was wondering whether you tour around the world giving seminars and conferences just like Michael Horn does and if you do, whether you will be coming down under in the not too distant future and sheding light to the people about the TJ? peace be with you | ||
Jim Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 07-2003 |
Hello Newinitiation, No, I don't have any such plans now, and speaking to groups isn't my forte. Perhaps you should contact Vivienne or Dyson, also down under, about that. They've done a lot of research on the TJ (along with many other topics). See, e.g., www.gaiaguys.net/prophetnewagemeier.htm Jim | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Any more news on the publication of the next edition? Last I heard it was set for a March release. Has this happened? I looked in the shop but unable to tell if it is the latest edition or not. Joseph | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 844 Registered: 02-2000 |
Did Billy ever mention what Jmmanuel's wifes name was? Or what happen to Mary Magdeline? I just wonder if she did travel to France with a child from another man, which became the legend of Sara the daughter of Jesus. My Website | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Newinitiation, I just discovered your January 9th questions and Jim's suggestion, and I know you - like many others - have evidently been illegally blocked from contacting us privately by email, so I'll address the matter you raise briefly now. Our public speaking engagements ended a couple of years ago after we saturated the market here with our Official Disclosure Project Representative Information Nights, not to mention broke the bank, (www.gaiaguys.net/Disclosure&cropcircles.htm) We think that our time is far better spent doing what we do here at home on the Internet, where our information is free for anyone interested in it, and much easier (and CHEAPER!) to produce and receive, as well as being provided for a much bigger audience. We did well to get even 6 dozen people together in these little country towns, and our website gets millions of hits a day from all over the world, and covers many many more related topics. The other problem we have with catering to people who are still not on-line is the inability we have in pointing them to supporting evidence. This stuff is still not in books or newspapers yet. Cheers! Dyson | ||
68tibbs New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hi. I am new to the FIGU Forum. I am not quite sure where to place my posting, but I felt that it would go well here. I am a recent Ph.D. (November 2005) in Biblical Studies from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C., with training in Akkadian, Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and Syriac. As a Freshman in college I enrolled in a course about UFOs, spirits, NDEs, OBEs, etc., etc. The professor was a Physicist who was goaded to develop and teach the course through personal occult experiences. I was introduced to the Billy Meier case in that class as well as to a host of other related topics, biblical and contemporary (this was back in Spring 1990; he began teaching the class in Fall 1984). Subsequently, 1991-1992, I read through the Billy Meier literature (Contact Notes 1-4, Talmud of Jmmanuel, other Wendell Stevens books, videos) as well as other literature, e.g., Blavatsky's Theosophical stuff, books on Gnosticism, Reincarnation, NDEs, UFOs and so on. But I was hard-pressed to find any substantial evidence for UFO phenomena in the Bible, both the Old and New Testament (many point to the episode in Ezekiel made famous by von Daniken and the Sitchin books, among other episodes, the 'star' of Bethlehem and the baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist). Then, I came across the following book in April of 1992: Communication with the Spirit World of God: Its Laws and Purpose, by Johannes Greber. I read this book several times, carefully. I immediately noticed the grave differences between it and the Meier contact notes: While the contact notes said that God as a unipersonalist Creator/Architect, Jesus as the Messiah and Son of God, the existance of Satan (Lucifer), and the existence of genuine mediums all were either figments of religious cults or plain bogus, the Greber book said quite the opposite. That book made some pretty powerful claims, among other things, where one might 'test' the validity and reliability of receiving information from supernormal souces. I decided to pursue these interests further in grad school. While I found almost nothing on UFOs in biblical and extra-biblical literature, I did find an abudance of material on the idea that God communicates with human begins via human instruments or mediums who are temporarily possessed by spirits who make use of the vocal organs to speak to those present. Material in Akkadian (the mahhu prophets of Mari), Hebrew, and Greek all had evidence for this. The religious experience of the earliest Christians was based on communications from a spirit world of God wherein there were believed to exist a myriad of 'holy spirits' who could communicate via deep-trance mediums. I confirmed this in my research for a dissertation. The evidence for communicating with spirits through mediums is explicitly described in the writings of four first-century CE authors, namely, Plutarch, Josephus, Philo, and Pseudo-Philo, the latter three of which were Jews. In Christian material, the earliest texts for this experience are found in 1 Corinthians 12-14 (so often translated as "spiritual gifts" when, in fact, the Greek has "spiritual things" that relate to "spirits" and their speech through mediums, i.e., "speaking in a spirit," "prophecy," and "glossolalia"), the Didache, chapter 11, the Shepherd of Hermas, Mandate 11, and the texts on Montanism. I noticed that many English bibles use the terms "medium" and "spiritist" only in the contexts where divination is being condemned, e.g., Lev 20:6,27 and Deut 18:10-12. But these terms, in and of themselves, are applicable to early Christian material as well. After going through all of this material in the original languages, I come across the opinion in the Meier notes that mediums and prayer seances should be avoided at all costs; the only truth comes straight from the communiques given to Meier. But if that is so, what could be said about the evidence just mentioned? The Meier notes already say that there is no God in the Judeo-Christian sense and any discussion of a spirit world of "God" is automatically nullified in light of such testimony by the Plejarans. Furthermore, with regard to a "spirit world" it is said in the Meier notes that no such world exists; instead it is a "fine-material world." What's the difference? "Spirit material" is indeed "fine material," so fine that we cannot perceive it with our five senses unless one possesses one or all of the three claires, clairvoyance, clairaudience, and clairsentience. At any rate, I've noticed this difference in the way Plejarans say that communications occured between humanity and supernormal beings and the evidence I have found in the ancient texts. Mediums and "seances" are to be avoided according to the Plejarans, but this, when done properly with healthy-minded individuals who were not up to trickery and fraud, was a legitimate form of communication in that distant past. I don't find much in the way of UFOs coming down and beaming people in the ship in order to teach things meant for their dispersal by an individual human. I do find evidence for visions, auditions, and mediums used as media to communicate with humans. I realize that today the phenomenon of mediumship, if proven to be carried out by a psychologically stable and sound individual, is explained as the ability of the medium to gather thoughts from the subconscious of the participants near him or her. Both the Meier literature and Psychology explain legitimate mediumship in this way. But those cases in which the medium speaks things that do not originate in the minds of the participants find a hard time as being explained as "subconscious retrieval;" especially when such highly wrought and refined messages are spoken out of a child of around 8-10 years of age! My brain often aches at the differences between the Meier lit and the Greber book. They come from two totally different "theologies." There is no reconciliation between the two. I'd be interested in any comments. Thanks. Clint | ||
Jim Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 07-2003 |
Hello Clint Tibbs, Welcome to the Forum; let me comment on some of your questions. I'd like to know who that professor was who taught that interesting course. You can look me up in my website at www.tjresearch.info . The Talmud of Jmmanuel (TJ) lets one know what UFO events there were that involved the man during his Palestinian ministry. That is, after one has studied it enough to be convinced of its genuineness. E.g., you might be able to detect some Aramaisms in it, relative to the German, that I've overlooked. You came "across the opinion in the Meier notes that mediums and prayer seances should be avoided at all costs; the only truth comes straight from the communiques given to Meier." I tend to split the Meier literature into three parts: (a) What comes from his contactors via his Contact Reports, (b) Meier's own conversations and questions in those reports, and his own personal accounts of his experiences, (c) material in the TJ and OM. I've learned to trust (b) and (c), while allowing that (a) may have disinformation mixed in with truth, such that we can't just accept it as truth without first checking it out in any or all possible ways. So part of the the differences between the Meier lit and Greber could be due to (a). But I think most of it is due to Greber being wrong a lot of the time. Also, you might consider the possibility that much of what seems to be channeled material from spirits comes from ETs who have their own interests in mind. They of course have the capability of contacting selected persons through some form of telepathy, and could do so at seances if they wished. You wrote, "with regard to a 'spirit world' it is said in the Meier notes that no such world exists; instead it is a 'fine-material world'." I think there is some sort of misunderstanding there. The TJ mentions, in 36:27-28, that people "live not only in the material world but their spirits reach into another world that cannot be grasped by the ordinary physical senses. This other one, the ethereal world, is the true home of the spirit." In one of Meier's answers to a question, I believe it was, he expressed the view that some mediums do have the ability to tap the Akashic records, and so they might come out with some interesting truthful information at times. This might contradict a statement he was told earlier by one of the Plejarens. Jim | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 908 Registered: 02-2000 |
ClintHave you read Life in the Spiritual and Physical by Billy Meier? If not go to the link below. http://www.steelmarkonline.com/download_files/Billy_Life_in_the_Spiritual.pdf My Website | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 148 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Clint & James, I think Billy says there is a spirit world, it is just different from what most are accustomed to thinking of as being populated with human looking forms. I think Billy says the spirit world is where the essence of spirit resides, and it has no human-like personality or personalities there. Also the Plejarens have said words to the effect that contacting the spirit with the aim of communicating with it is virtually a waste of time because it has no interest in commicating with any humans (including them) and is involved with its own work, which, as far as I understand the Meier material, is assimilating the experiences of the previous life and processing this into the spirit itself and then assessing, and preparing for an appropriate future physical incarnation. Basically, becasue it is not a person it doesn't commnunicate like a person. All human-like personalitites are created in physicality and upon death they all cease. At a higher level as the spirit evolves it seems to have a kind of personality, but this is something very different again. I noticed you didn't have "Jesus Died in Kashmir" by A. Faber Kaiser (1976) among your sources cited, James. Have you read this book? Much of what you say is contained within it. It has pictures of Jesus' alleged tomb in Kashmir and Moses' tomb too. Best, cpl | ||
68tibbs New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 07-2006 |
Yes, Jim, the name of the Professor who taught that course on UFOs, spirits, etc., is Dr. James A. Scarborough. He still attends UFO conferences and lives close by to me. He mentioned to me that both you and him met once. Yes, Norm, I have read Life in the Spiritual and Physical. I find it hard to believe that all "human-like personalities" and components cease after death. I've wondered if the NDEs recorded and researched by Moody, among others, give us a window into what the "spirit body" is like. Many of the "spirit materializations" in the Bible tend to show that the physical body is a replica of sorts of the more refined spiritual body (for instance Raphael's meeting with Tobit, the "three men" who met with Abraham, and, if we are willing to posit the possibility that Jesus was killed and died on the cross, his materialization appearances to the apostles; not to mention contemporary reports of such appearances of deceased friends and family members). Cpl, I wonder if, indeed, the Plejarans are correct that communicating with the spirit world is a waste of time and that the spirits have no interest in communicating with humans in the first place. This should be qualified. Yes, there are spirits who are no more advanced than we humans, and many of them roam the earth as so-called earthbound spirits. Interest in acquiring "higher knowledge of truth" from them is pointless. But, if we are to fancy the idea that there are spirits who are well advanced, some who were once humans but have advanced far in the Beyond in their knowledge and some spirits who have never incarnated as humans who are much closer to the "fountain head" for the lack of a better word (I find it difficult to use the term 'God' in a forum that does not believe in the Judeo-Christian sense of God), then these spirits might be more useful as instructors about spiritual life. I am saying this not from the perspective of New Age channeling and the like, but from the biblical record. There you find "the spirit of God" or "of the Lord" as the source for divine instruction for the Israelites as well as the first Christians--the "tent of meeting" in the Israelite camp in Exodus and "a spirit of God" as the agent for prophecy among the guild prophets in 1 Samuel. The idea of "the spirit," "the holy spirit," and "spirits" runs throughout the New Testament. The Greek noun pneuma occurs in contexts of "an unclean spirit," sometimes called "a demon," and in contexts of "a holy spirit" or "a spirit of God." I've noticed that the TJ preserves an episode with an evil spirit. The Greek phrase en pneumati, "in a spirit," or, more properly following the Aramaic and Hebrew preposition bet, "WITH a spirit" describes the action of both "an unclean spirit" (Mark 5:2) and "a holy spirit" (1 Cor 12:3). In both instances, the spirits "speak" as personalities independent of their host; in Mark 5:2 the possession is involuntary; in 1 Cor 12:3 the possession is voluntary for the purposes of being instructed by the spirit world of God. This might be just me, but I've noticed that the Pauline literature is never an issue among those who study the Meier stuff from the perspective of the 1st century data. Paul is characterized as a figure of derision who distorts the true message of Jmmanuel's identity and instruction in the TJ. Once the TJ is established as authentic and trustworthy in the mind of a reader, Paul, more or less, is swept under the carpet and ignored. The spirit of God runs like a red thread throughout the Old Testament, Jewish Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha, the New Testament, early Christian lit, and Rabbinic lit as the source for divine instruction. I believe that later Christian theology in the 4th century CE, especially in the writings of Athanasius, redefined the phrases "the spirit" and "the holy spirit" as realities that do not reflect the 1st century Jewish-Christian concept: that of a holy spirit WORLD. Later Christian theology defined "the spirit" as a Person of the Godhead; but in the 1st century the belief was not in ONE Good Spirit, i.e., THE Holy Spirit, but many good or holy spirits. Paul's use of "the one and same spirit" in 1 Cor 12 is rhetoric of unity and not a literal numerical value. Well, I digress. I find it interesting that in the Contact Notes, the Plejarans never refer the spirit in this way...it is always references to human ETs in antiquity as the instructors and not "the spirit world." I find a very different story in the biblical record. I also find a slippage in the use of contemporary terminology. In antiquity the present-day categories "angels," "demons," and "spirits" were seamless; each of these terms referred to an invisible sentient being. By definition these are "extra-terrestrial," beyond the earth. They are not physical beings but can materialize as such. It is almost impossible to determine from the biblical record if visitations are spirit materializations or if the "angel" in question is, in fact, a human ET. I tend to believe, along with the biblical evidence, that human beings ARE spirits and do not merely have a spirit. This is especially the case in the Dead Sea Scrolls. There, spirits are given epithets of virtue or vice, according to their inclinations to do good or evil among humans. Thus there are "spirits of error," "spirits of love," "spirits of hate," "spirits of Beliar," "spirits of truth," etc. The Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs also has a good inventory of types of spirits. I suppose I should try and give page numbers whenever I refer to the Contact Notes. For spirit world see, Message, Vol 1, page 86, last full quote by Semjase. For communications with the spirit world, see Message, Vol 1, page 87. Semjase's statement here is pretty accurate. But she does not say the flipside of this: there exist holy spirits accessible for the truth and these should be sought--see 1 John 4:1-3, "test the spirits," 1 Cor 12:10, "discern the spirits," 2 Thess 2:2, "a spirit . . . allegedly from us." Yes, there are shoddy, lieing mediums. But there also exist ligitimate ones, if we are to take the biblical record for it, as many do for Jmmanuel in the alternative text, the TJ. I'd be interested in any comments. Thanks, Clint | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 912 Registered: 02-2000 |
Clint, The questions to Billy section is open I would say ask him. My Website | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 339 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Clint ; In response to your comment : "Once the TJ is established as authentic and trustworthy in the mind of a reader, Paul, more or less, is swept under the carpet and ignored." Paul( Saul) swept Jmmanuel under the carpet for 2000 years , and still some time more , as far as most people are concerned , since they will not know about him even still . Paul had no justified role to play in the spreading of Jmmanuel's teaching ( since he falsified it), even if he was well-meaning with the best of intentions . He made himself the steward and keeper of the flame , so to speak , and he had no right whatsoever to teach what he did not understand . Mark Campbell |
