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Mehraein62
Member
Post Number: 46
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 12:37 am: | 
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Tanks Mark,
1- No I don't see to Billy,s work by skepticism. I like and admire him. I respect his long time years hard work. I do like the advanced P,s works and their presentation of truth, Spiritual Lessons and so on.
2- you talk about Trust, but this word most related to the Believe conception and Believe it means accepting new Belief and new religion that Billy and P,s several times rejected and denied of introducing new religion to this world ( although some of us here are trying to say all materials from Billy and P,s are absolutely true , yes I do i think so, but also I think we must make attention to another point that Billy and P,s also want anybody accepts the material with knowledge and wisely scrutinize
3- we all love truth , and I am myself super - interested and thirsty always about FIGU materials but also willing can answer to any question mark about my new finding absolute Truth - and of course our time is very short , and we need a tremendous efforts to find the answers to a lot of endless questions that have remained beyond all of this luminous works.
4- (also to Matthew again) Isn't it so normal about any human mind here(in this world) to compare any new thought to the old ones and find out the privileges of new one?
Best Regards
Salome
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Markc
Member
Post Number: 591
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 09:20 am: |
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Hi Mehraein ;
That's interesting to say that trust in this case is belief oriented . To say that it's a religion , I don't agree . A religion , at least a comparable religion , has saviours , saints angels and gods , human sacrifice and worship .
Even though the "Jerusalem " part of the mission 2000 years ago had the same characters as the christian story , it had none of the above fantasies . So therefore it is not a new religion .It has been designated as Relegeon , which is something altogether different .
Again , belief in this circumstance is arguable . I don't call it a belief , I call it an understanding . The two differ by acknowledgement and rational details that equate into real concepts that actually mean something . A religion forces people to believe things that cannot be undestood , such as ; " your father cast you to a murderous horde ( who he loves so dearly ) and will only free them from their bondage if they will kill his only son " . Just like your dad and my dad and everyone's dad , because in the make believe world , good fathers throw their sons the goddamn jackals .
excuse me , I've lost my temper .Insane religion is so special , it has that effect on me ... what do I do now ? have a son and throw him to hungry wolves ? I ask you .
Mark
Mark Campbell
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Trevor
Member
Post Number: 24
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 03:49 pm: |
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Hi Mehraein, Mark and all,
I like how Nobel Prize winning Physicist Steven Weinberg summed up all religions -
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
- Steven Weinberg (Physicist, 1979 Nobel Prize in Physics) |
Mehraein62
Member
Post Number: 49
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 09:26 pm: |
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Trevor,
Thanks, but we don't need to re-explain the identity of religion here.
Mark,
thanks for comment, maybe you didn’t get my point well. One more time, I say no need and no nesecry to show the purity or truthful of some new thinking cult by the exact old method of persuasion the others to a new Religion, that somebodies unintentionally try to do here.
I say I have some challenging questions that given responses to them not satisfied me yet. But some bodies try to say this or that subject coming from Billy or P, s so we MUST accept it! It was my point.
Best Regards
Salome
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Markc
Member
Post Number: 593
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Friday, February 08, 2008 - 02:46 pm: |
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Hi Mehraein ;
I did get on a tangent there , so it was not all in response to your comments only , but the general subject . Keep asking challenging question , it means you are paying attention and actually thinking things through .
MC
Mark Campbell
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Mehraein62
Member
Post Number: 76
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Monday, February 18, 2008 - 12:40 am: |
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Forum,
maybe very simple question:
1-if spirit is experiencing the actual matter_life in human entity form according to the Creation Law and order, why he/she/it must have burdensome tries to make himself more advanced?...for what? if his level is It is now?
2- specially when you realize that most advanced humans from Lyra and Vega systems already degenerated (spirituality) here and forget every thing!!..how could be a damn destiny it is?
Best Regards
Salome
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Annie
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Monday, February 18, 2008 - 08:25 am: |
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Hello Mehraein,
I agree with your point "I think we must make attention to another point that Billy and P,s also want anybody accepts the material with knowledge and wisely scrutinize" - that is true!
It is important to prove the Truth to ourselves by the the hard work of really
thinking and pondering (asking questions, testing what we learn against pure Logic, applying reason, etc.)
The article "Talkativeness" explains:
" ... Studying spiritual matters is always connected to a consciousness-related process. Every individual must be mentally prepared to confront himself with truth, and he should also get the chance to work for this preparedness himself. ..."
Salome |
Thomas
Member
Post Number: 452
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 18, 2008 - 11:42 am: |
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Mehraein, the spirit is sort of on autopilot until the point when the spirit and collective consciousness block combine, thus it has no choice in what happens to it until then. Secondly, no spirit EVER degenerates although people as individuals and as a society can degenerate and that is what you likely read a reference to. |
Mehraein62
Member
Post Number: 78
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Monday, February 18, 2008 - 05:27 pm: |
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Annie, Thomas thank you.
Thomas ya I think that is a point but how spirits already advanced could remain to live in a degenerate material-life levels?
Best Regards
Salome
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Mehraein62
Member
Post Number: 88
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 10:15 pm: |
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All friends,
excuse me for asking much question.
- I don't understand , if spirit of BEAM and Jmmanuel is the same one, how Billy could make time traveling to meet Jmmanuel! , It means he made a time travel to meet and talk with himself ?! in another time?! is It possible?!
I,m fully appreciated to receive any expression.
Wish You Luck
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Badr
Moderator
Post Number: 292
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 12:14 am: |
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Dear Mehraein,
As mentioned previously to you, why not use the search engine? In case you need a tip try using the keywords „billy meeting jmmanuel“ and you will find a lot of things in the archive, you will probably find more then you thought of asking. You might want to choose under Keyword Option “And” (Match all keywords).
Salome, Badr |
Mehraein62
Member
Post Number: 89
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 12:24 am: |
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Badr,
good advice friend, OK I will try in Archive also
Wish You Luck
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Indi
Member
Post Number: 160
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 12:35 am: |
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Mehraein
I agree with Badr -- and might add that in order to understand the difference between the spirit, spiritform, and material consciousness and the consciousness blocks, over time, after studying the material, it all makes itself clear.
I will say this though:
The spirit is not a 'self' it is a power source.
The 'self' is the material personality/ego.
In the 2 thousand yrs or so since Jmmanuel was living, the spirit that animated him has grown, therefore, it has more power and is not the same spirit that is animating Billy as it was in Jmmanuel. However, it does have the same lineage.
Each incarnation, delivers hopefully more power to the spirit, which means it is never likely to be the same, unless in some unusual circumstances, like a baby dying at birth etc.... where there has not been opportunity for learning... etc.....
The spirit is like a sponge in that it 'absorbs' the learnings, which gives it more power. It is not active, it is passive, and just a power source.
Thus, the personality of Billy met the personality of Jmmanuel.
Robjna |
Mehraein62
Member
Post Number: 90
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 06:16 pm: |
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Robina,
thanks by the way.
Wish You Luck
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Borthwey
Member
Post Number: 20
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 06:30 pm: |
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Hello,
Does anyone know what explanation Billy has given about the dinosaur photos supposedly taken in his time travel and the similar illustrations wich appeared in books?
It seems very clear to me that the photos can't be photos of the illustrations, they're just not the same thing, even if they are very similar.
Probably a similar conclusion could be taken regarding the "entrance to the DAL Universe" photos.
All this points to a major conspiracy whose exposure can give some (needed) public credibility to the Meier case.
Comparative crops of the photo and the illustration can be seen in the ats forum
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread277472/pg65 |
Michael
Member
Post Number: 623
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 10:13 pm: |
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Meier has said, as have the Plejaren, that switches were made on some photos (others never even were returned to him). The skeptics love to jump on this but it so happens that Meier was warned about the issue with the "Dean Martin dancers" years before it occurred! It is in one of Wendelle's books, published, copyrighted, etc. so we have proof of that.
If you want to rebut the skeptics, challenge THEM to explain the 5,100 Year-Old Ice Man story at www.theyfly.com - and not with snide guesses but proof.
Look at the article below that about how the skeptic - who's had seven years to debunk the case - actually helped prove the authenticity of it. Point that out to these paid shills form hte CIA.
Point out also that the skeptic contacted the Academy Award-winning special effects company, Uncharted Territory, to try to get them to recant on what they said about Meier's UFO films. Instead, they give us this great quote that none of the ATS people are QUALIFIED to rebut:
"But, to reflect on the statement that's in the film, I also remember seeing a shot on the Super8 reel that showed a UFO circling around a fairly tall tree. According to that shot, we said that we can't conclusively say whether it's real or not, but it
seemed impossible to stage that kind of a shot with a miniature (it would have to be hanging on a very tall crane, with wires - but even then the movements would be hard to achieve.) So, yes, in regards to that shot, we mentioned that we could
definitely do it today with CG, but at the time these were supposedly shot - it would have been very hard, probably even impossible, to fake this kind of shot."
Marc Weigert, Uncharted Territory
This statement alone shows the difficulty one will have in simply saying that the UFOs must not be real. Heck, if they're not models or special effects, then what are they?
As far as the laser gun goes, see:
http://theyfly.com/news2005/may06/may06.htm#laser
...and ask which one of the idiots knows how to drill an...OVAL hole.
There's tons of unanswerable ammunition here, I wouldn't labor over the dinosaur pictures, etc.
Michael Horn
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Borthwey
Member
Post Number: 21
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 07:18 am: |
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Hello Michael
The thing is, I am personally interested in getting to the bottom of this. Of course, it’s good to present the information so that the readers of that forum can make up their minds, however, I don’t think that the people posting there will ever be convinced. They’ll just keep mocking the case and distorting everything as best as they can. Your own expulsion from the forum just shows that they are… biased.
So, the “flying dinosaur” photo. If it actually is a photo of the illustration, then the switched photos explanation that you provide covers it somehow. So, what happened was that Billy took the photo, then somebody stole it, had someone else do the illustration based on it, then took a photo of it and returned it to Billy who had it printed in a book? This explanation would never be convincing to a skeptic.
If the photo can’t be a photo of the illustration, as it seems to me, and I would like some opinions on this, then the existance of a similar illustration could only be explained as an act of conspiracy to defame Meier. To me personally, it would be a sign that there really are sources out there fabricating corrupted evidence to descredibilize him.
But then again, if that photo was taken by people other than Meier, then the only explanation that I would find is that the photo was taken of a preliminary drawing wich was later changed.
Since it seems that the photo is no longer in the possession of Billy, the only analysis that can be done is based on that photo wich is circulating on the internet. Whose source I would like to know. Was it taken from a FIGU book ? In what book and when was it printed, can anyone tell me this? Or was it taken from the film that Randolph Winters did where he showed that photo album?
Regards
David G |
The_original_dave
Member
Post Number: 208
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 08:31 am: |
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Hey guys,
Have you guys considered the possibility, that Billy actually took the Dino photo, from some book. He could have done it to give the skeptics something to hang on too. |
Michael
Member
Post Number: 624
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 09:20 am: |
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David,
To the point, of all things to focus on the dinosaur photo(s) are the least important. Even if the photos were clear as day and nowhere else to be found, what's the point?
If you say the skeptics will keep dismissing irrefutable evidence, expert analysis, etc. well pardon me but I suggest not pursuing something like this. It should be obvious that there are no points to made with it.
I engaged the skeptics on these forums to accomplish a few things, i.e. to stand up for the case, to show any reasonable people (very few on those forums) how strong the case is and how weak the skeptics are and to further the controversy and let it spread. Some of these forums re the case go on for dozens of pages, one for about 80 I think.
But you are doing what the skeptics do. I directed you to several items that are mind-boggling in their credibility and importance, including how the major skeptic (who's in the Special Features of our film) falls apart and actually helps prove the case. You have given no mention of any of it, no commentary yourself on the details of what's contained in that info. Doesn't it blow your mind that an Academy Award-winning special effects company makes a statement like that - especially after they're approached by the skeptic to debunk the evidence?
My suggestion for you is to think this through more deeply and if you want to interact on those boards challenge them, hold their feet to the fire to deal with what I've mentioned to you...once you comprehend its importance.
Michael Horn
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Thomas
Member
Post Number: 478
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 10:15 am: |
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Hello Michael, which of Wendelle's book has that quote or contact excerpt? I have all 4 of his Message from the Pleiades books as well as both of is reports called UFO Contact from the Pleiades and I don't remember running across that. I don't doubt you, but I would like to read it for myself in case I missed it! Thanks in advance... Thomas |
Markc
Member
Post Number: 615
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 11:39 am: |
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Hello Borthwey ;
I think that the Baawi people , who work with the Plejaren , were responsible for te image being drawn by an artists , unknowing of the photo . The same applies to the universe pathway between the DERN and DAL universes .
I could be wrong about this , but someone else could corroborate .
Thanks , Mark
Mark Campbell
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Michael
Member
Post Number: 625
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 05:01 pm: |
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> Vol. 2, page 96, sentences 222-225.
> Also, sentences 217 and 218 precede and presage the 115th Contact of =20=
> October 19, 1978, regarding the important Jupiter discoveries. In =20 > other words, this is the first exposure to Jupiter and Meier refers =20=
> to it in the 115th Contact:
53. According to our calculations and the flight path of the =20=
probe, it has to pass very closely by Jupiter and several of its =20 moons, which means that good results would have to be achieved, if the =20=
apparati of the exploration unit work flawlessly.
Billy: Does this mean that the time will come, when the scientists =20 in truth will discover that the so-called red spot of Jupiter is a =20 rotating and crater shaped hole on the wildly heaving surface of this =20=
incomplete sun, and that this funnel-hole is the center of a gigantic =20=
and many millennia-old storm? And does this also mean that now well =20 be discovered, that not only Saturn and Uranus possess a ring, but =20 Jupiter as well, only that this one is much thinner and smaller than =20 the other two around Saturn and Uranus?
Semjase:
54. Sure, even that has to be noticed, because the probe =20 will be steered so closely to the heavenly body, that it has to record =20=
these matters.
Billy: Aha, and will then perhaps also be discovered, that the ring =20=
around Jupiter, for the most part, consists of particles catapulted =20 outward by large volcanoes of the moon, Io, which partially are =20 captured by Jupiter while, however, the largest portion of all the =20 outward catapulted material again falls back on Io, and practically =20 closes all volcano openings again, but also the gigantic plateaus and =20=
mountains, which this moon, in contrast to the other moons of Jupiter, =20=
proves to have no carter landscape, but a fantastic evenness, despite =20=
the many craters?
Semjase:
55. You have listened very closely to my explanations on =20 your journeys with me and admirably retained them in memory.
56. Are you able to remember still other things?
57. Besides, these facts will with certainty be discovered =20 by this exploration device.
Billy: Fine, naturally, I still know a few more things, because I =20 did not forget everything that you and Ptaah explained to me. I am =20 able to remember rather well, that the various large Jupiter moons =20 were of various colors, as for instance red, yellow, brown and white =20 as also orange. I also still know, that you said to me, Jupiter =20 actually should have become a sun, but its measurements were too =20 small, so that this star really could have developed into a sun. =20 Nevertheless the entire structure principally consists of liquid =20 helium and hydrogen. Also I know still that you or Ptaah explained to =20=
me that chiefly potassium salts and sulphur combinations would =20 constitute the surface and deep into it, and that everything has =20 settled as a very thick crust, after the masses of water on this =20 satellite had receded. Particularly, I think to remember, you said =20 that especially the moon, Io, once was totally covered with water. If =20=
I remember correctly, you said to me, I do not know anymore whether =20 you or Ptaah, that the moon Europa is exactly the stark opposite of =20 Io, that there the masses of water not evaporated and changed, but =20 that they are frozen to a gigantic armour of ice. In addition, you =20 told me many other things and gave me explanations, of which I still =20 remember a lot. Thus you also told me, that a particular moon would =20 only measure approximately 200 km in length, which I defined as a =20 gigantic hen=92s egg. I believe it was the moon closest to Jupiter, the = =20 name of which I do not remember any more.
Semjase:
58. In all things you have an admirable memory.
59. The moon, which you have just mentioned, is call by you, =20=
Amalthea.
60. The moon, Io itself, of which you said several things, =20 moreover is the most volcano-active planetary body in the SOL-system.
61. That was explained to you at that time, if you are still =20=
able to remember?
Billy: Naturally, such things I do not forget so fast. You said at =20=
that time, that this moon was much more active volcanically than the =20 Earth. Besides, I still remember exactly, you explained that the mile-=20=
size cloud formations in the storm funnel of Jupiter would move at =20 extremely high velocity and in a counter-clockwise direction.
Semjase:
62. Sure, that I explained to you.
Billy: Now I am still wondering, if regarding the volcanic action on =20=
the moon Io, I remember correctly. If I am right, then you explained =20=
that he volcanic eruptions there would occur with primordial power and =20=
resemble monstrous explosions, which would thrust up their ejected =20 material like atomic mushrooms, whereby sometimes heights would be =20 reached up to 180 kilometer. Principally, it involves dust particles, =20=
gasses, ashes and some magma, but which would reach ejection =20 velocities up to 2,300 kilometer per hour and beyond, as due to the =20 lack of atmosphere of the moon, only minute resistance power is =20 present. But you also said that the largest portion of all ejected =20 material again falls back on the moon, as I already mentioned before. =20=
The rest, you explained, would be pushed out into space, while a part =20=
of it is drawn by Jupiter and very slowly densifies in its ring to a =20 heavy sulphur-ion-combination. Is that correct?
Semjase:
63. Your memories are quite correct.
Michael Horn
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Alan
Member
Post Number: 170
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 05:54 pm: |
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Borthwey -
"Hello Michael
The thing is, I am personally interested in getting to the bottom of this. Of course, it’s good to present the information so that the readers of that forum can make up their minds, however, I don’t think that the people posting there will ever be convinced. They’ll just keep mocking the case and distorting everything as best as they can. Your own expulsion from the forum just shows that they are… biased."
Its not that they biased. Its -
ATS forum = CIA
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/1075.html?1207209324 |
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