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Melli
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Post Number: 329
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 14, 2008 - 10:29 pm: | 
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I have been reading the archive posts about who David was, and I am still no wiser: as I understand he was a King who lived a very long time (?) before Jmmanuel and who apparently received his information from the ETs, and was king of the jews of that time, as he still is today, however today there is no mention of his ET connection nor his teachings.
Would I be wrong to presume that today the sign of the Star of David as a representation of the jewsish people, could be the Star that represents an ET connection precisely because he had direct connection with 'Star' travelers ?
I would like to also mention that I was surprised to see that the Star of David decorates many Islamic forts in India and also in Pakistan and I was wondering what is the connection because while the for the jews this symbol denotes something different why was it used to decorate powerful rulers' forts?
I can speculate and say that maybe in the old days the jews and arabs lived as One people?
any thoughts, thanks! |
Edward
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Post Number: 1070
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 15, 2008 - 07:02 am: |
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Hi Bianca....
I would agree with you on King David, have some mixed feelings about him also,
perhaps someone can clear the mist?
Yes, I have noticed also, the David six pointed star in images and films,
which are located in India as well as in Pakistan, and other regions.
It is mentioned, that certain Jewish tribes from the past, did migrate to the
above mentioned countries; and eventually, they adapted themselves into the
environment, and even adapted their (Religious) traditions into the structure
of their homes and buildings.
And in the Religions in the mentioned countries, there are branches which
indeed do have Israeli/Jewish influence, in them. And thus, this would indeed
clarify...their connection.
Edward. |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 229
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, March 15, 2008 - 02:50 pm: |
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Bianca: “Would I be wrong to presume that today the sign of the Star of David as a representation of the jewsish people, could be the Star that represents an ET connection precisely because he had direct connection with 'Star' travelers ?"
The short answer is yes, you would be wrong to presume that. The six pointed Star of David, is not actually traceable to either King David or to his son, Solomon. In fact, the association of the hexagram (aka, Shield of David, or Magen David in Hebrew) to Judaism, did not even begin until the Middle Ages. The first known usage of the six pointed hexagram by the Jews occurred in the 10th Century with the Leningrad Codex, written in the year 1008 CE. This work, based on an even earlier work, called the Alepo Codex, was a Hebrew biblical text in which the hexagram was illustrated on the cover. The more modern acceptance of the hexagram as Judaism's national symbol occurred at end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th Century when Theodore Herzl wrote his ideas of a Jewish State which was climaxed with the historic Basel Conference in 1903. And it wasn’t until modern times that the kinder, gentler term “Star” of David began to replace “Shield” of David.
The hexagram is a symbol not only in Judaism but Hinduism, Taoism and several other traditions that are less well known. But it’s use as an architectural motif throughout Europe and Asia in secular and non-secular buildings alike has more to do with aesthetics and trends than anything else. It appears on Gothic cathedrals in Germany to the tee-pees of indigenous native American tribes. All which share no cultural connection.
It is important to understand that all geometric shapes carry an archetypal meaning that transcends spoken language; and even more so in combination. The hexagram appears in many of the spiritual symbols in Billy’s book, Symbole der Geisteslehre.
It has often been interpreted as an archetypal symbol for the sacred union of the opposite energies, the "yin-yang" of western civilization, formed by the intertwining of the (the male "blade" and the female "chalice") representing the masculine and feminine principles in perfect union, the "sacred marriage" or "hieros gamous" of the ancient world. In India the symbol represents the "cosmic dance" of Shiva and Shakti. Biblical scholars have written numerous interpretations as to why this symbol became important in Judaism.
Regards
Bob |
Melli
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Post Number: 330
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, March 15, 2008 - 11:32 pm: |
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Thank you Bob for this great explanation it makes sense but the last sentence got my extra attention:
"Biblical scholars have written numerous interpretations as to why this symbol became important in Judaism". Can you elaborate further?
In Billy's Book the Symbole der Geisteslehre, page 193 the hexagram appears with the word "Gewalt" (use of force) beneath it, so I can assume that not all hexagrams are symbols of harmony? Bianca |
Edward
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Post Number: 1072
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 09:37 am: |
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Hi Biance and Bob....
That is indeed a very good detailed, description.
That is what I was working to, the 10th century scenario. It is known, that
about that time frame, when the Jews were organized with their Religious
works, and all, and even the so-called David Star/Shield, the Jews did try to
make as much ground in Europe as they could. And this did not manifest without
any violence. The Catholics as well as the Christians(or other branches) in
Europe...did not want any of their Religious doings! Thus, it is mentioned
through our historical chronicles, that the Jews were banned from many
European countries. Sometimes, they were request friendly, and sometimes
not...but with Death.
[There is a link to the above mention at the PlsRReal board, which someone
posted once; the contents was known to me, having done my own studies of the
ways of Religion, here in Europe]
Those, whom stayed, more or less adapted themselves to the Catholic or other
Christian beliefs, and those whom did not, fled to the Mediterranean
countries, some with success, and some not. And others fled much further to
the middle eastern countries, and even much further to India, Pakistan, and
other regions, there.[as once did their ancient forefathers]
And in the above mentioned countries, it was quite simple for them to have
applied their Beliefs there, and all related, even the so-called David
Star/Shield, and more...into the Religious environments; knowing that the
atmosphere there, was not that hostile as in Europe.
And so, the David Star and other similarities related to Judaism, can be found
in a divers of Beliefs, there.
And of course, I am familiar....with the star incorporated into other
cultures.
Edward. |
Edward
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Post Number: 1073
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 09:48 am: |
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Hi Bianca....
Yes, I have noticed with the compilation of symbols which Dyson scanned, which
is very limited in symbols, I counted 5:
1)- Eifersucht = Jealousy, Jealous, Envy, Envious
2)- Gewalt = Violence, War, Power, Force
3)- Streit = Fight, War, Violence, Struggle, Competition
4)- Vernichtung = Destruction, Annihilation
5)- Zerstörung = Destroying, Destruction, Annihilating, Annihilate
Thus, they are truly NOT Harmonious symbols!
So, the symbol being 'interpret' as being Harmonious or what ever, is just a
Man Made Erroneous interpretation, I would think. Just, as his Belief and
Religious interpretations, which are of Endless...Interpretations!
Edward. |
Badr
Moderator
Post Number: 308
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 01:04 pm: |
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Please get back to the topic of the TJ or discuss elsewhere |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 231
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 04:29 pm: |
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Bianca, I responded to your #330 post above in: The Spiritual Teachings>> Numbers and Symbols
Bob |
Redbeard
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 10:25 am: |
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While I was studying the Contact Notes I ran across Asket explaining the impact upon our worlds religions of some evil minded outcasts from some other part of the Universe.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/gaiaguys/meier.v1p3
12-319.html
As I had originally suspected and posted on Jan. 30/08, in regard to the influence of the Giza Intelligences upon the writings about Jmmanuel and other religious perversions of truth, the aliens living in Egypt had an some measure of influence and imput.
257. You will therefore attain the proof that, that which is known to you as the New Testament is exactly as much a malicious falsification as all the other religious books which exist on this world.
258. These were not only maliciously falsified by Earth humans themselves, rather also often with the help of the malicious extraterrestrial life-forms who steered many events of this kind from the pyramids of Giza. |
Edward
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Post Number: 1098
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 08:26 am: |
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Hi Redbeard.....
Yes, very perceptive of you!
As I did mentioned, in a previous posting: that Religious Christian
Leaderships, and Politicians....etc., were indeed 'influenced' by the Giza
Boys....(from their underground facilities).
And thus, 'through' the mentioned above many events were steered...for the
disadvantage of Man...and advantage of the Giza Boys, amongst others.
Of course, they(Giza Boys) would have done likewise, in the past-time...which
speaks for itself.
Thus: they were influencing:...directly or indirectly!
Edward. |
Melli
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Post Number: 340
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 12:53 am: |
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In Chapter 25: Verse 3
"...These people are divided into Israelites, who call themselves sons and daughters of ZION, with whom I do not identify,..."
Who is Zion that Jmmanuel is referring to?
Thanks, |
Edward
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Post Number: 1100
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 08:13 am: |
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Hi Melli....
As what I know from the past, in readings: ZION(or SION, as is spelled in
Dutch) has it's roots from Hebrew. And it is associated to the land of Israel,
and not to forget it's capital named Jerusalem.
Zion/Sion, is also associated to Mount Zion/Sion, in the region of Jerusalem.
It is mentioned, that Canaanites known as Jebusites, I think it was, in those
days, build some sort of fortress or something. And was to supposedly...been
conquered by no one other than David, and the city was named after him:
City of David.
Thus, I would think that Jmmanuel did not want to be in no way, related with
the above mentioned history of events, and their offspring. Knowing that
Jmmanuel wanted to keep his Teachings as 'pure' as can be and in its True
Original format/state; and not being Plagiarized or what ever, in any shape or form. [as even the Essenes(Jewish Religious group) attempted to!]
Which I would fully agree with.
So, Jmmanuel did do his best to keep the Teachings Of The Spirit and The
Creation, from being distorted, as much as he could...by 'avoiding' the above
mentioned.
Edward. |
Jonas
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 04:50 pm: |
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Hi All
Seeing as the star of david was mentioned. I am Maltese and the island Malta was mentioned in the bible and after research on my family coat of arms I found it has a large castle and three stars of david above it. Can anyone shed some light. Does the star represent a beamship from oldern times?
I notice the maltese race has some Jewish atributes but we are ultimtely docile to a certain extent due to catholisism. |
Edward
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Post Number: 1101
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 01:06 am: |
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Hi Jonas.....
Welcome to the FIGU board.
Yes, the David Star has indeed diffused itself over our globe, throughout the
centuries.
The David Star-like symbol(s), is in no way related to any beamship or space
craft, as far as I know.
The 6 pointed star or 2 triangles(overlapping), are traced down to the
Spirit(ual) Symbols, which Billy can receive Telepathically and converted them
into illustrations, and which is now, today...to our disposal.
Their definitions, you can obtain by reading my post nr.1073, above. This will
just give you an idea, of their concepts of mean(ings).
But it can be that your family coat may have just utilized the symbol(s)
'unconsciously'. Which may not per se have reference to the definitions.
But still: such symbols must be utilized with cautions. Knowing the
'vibrational' value present, in which they represent...I would think.
Pleasant Studying....
Edward. |
Melli
Member
Post Number: 341
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 11:30 pm: |
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Chapter 26, Verse # 14:
"Truly I say to you, wisdom must be learned from the laws of Creation, which human beings may recognize in nature".
I understand that the laws of nature are present in matters of Physics (Atoms are in every living organism) and science (Amino Acids, genes are affected by our thoughts,etc.) and it is up to the scientists to educate us well, so that we may evolve in a Spiritual way. I see the SPiritual Teachings as a freeway to my consciousness evolution, I travel in this vehicle called material consciousness and go beyond the average daily monotony. I understand that my every thought and action creates a re-action thus helping me to expand my consciousness awareness by helping me recognize the outcomes of my thoughts/actions but I am having some trouble understanding; how can I identify with a tree for example? I can plant a seed, water it and care for it and try to learn to understand how the microcosm works within the macrocosm, but how should people see their own connection to nature, especially those who do not recognize the Spirit Teachings will be for a long time still in a state of idleness and ignorance. Although many enjoy the ocean or the trees in a rainforest, they cannot identify with them beyond their material pleasures, so for the simple folks, (beyond the scope of re-cycling for example), what else is there to help them learn from the Laws of Nature. And Meditation is a school of its own.
I am having trouble articulating my thoughts but I hope you get what I mean? Is it simpler than I make it sound? |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 280
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 10:19 am: |
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Bianca:”…how can I identify with a tree for example <snip>how should people see their own connection to nature…”
Perhaps it might be helpful to look at it this way: Everything and everyone in the whole material and spiritual universe, in Creation is one. There is nothing separate or isolated. There is however, the illusion of separateness. It’s a temporary illusion that serves a purpose. Over time, as the human spirit evolves, it reaches a certain level when it begins to understand reality and the natural laws which govern it. Then the Spirit starts to consciously fulfill these laws out of its desire to be one again with Creation, in order to perfect itself and Creation. And it begins to see its’ connectedness to all things and to nature.
But every spirit must be allowed to follow its’ own path of evolution and understanding, and at its’ own pace. And so some people will naturally feel more empathy for the welfare and preservation of nature. And this, too, will naturally evolve as humans evolve spiritually with understanding and increased capacity for Empfindung.
Bianca: “…what else is there to help them learn from the Laws of Nature?”
There are many lessons to be observed in nature; there is duality and polarity, the lesson of “cycles” and the lesson of “werden und vergehen” (coming into, and passing out of, existence). And even the Natural Creative Law of Self-Defense. For instance, in Nature, animals kill only the amount of prey which they need for their existence, and nothing more. It tells us that eating meat is natural, but also shows us that the way the Earth human kills animals on an extreme scale is not. There is no use for any sports hunting or for any hunting to preserve the natural balance. Nature has been able to preserve the balance for ages, until man came and disrupted it with his 'need' to make order in Nature, what is in fact chaos.
Regards
Bob |
Melli
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Post Number: 342
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 06:55 am: |
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Bob, thank you for yet another clear explanation; there is not a day that goes by whereby I don't think of how I am a tiny speck in a cosmic space and yet I cannot comprehend it, I know it I feel its effects on my life and yet...how do I grasp it? with time and patience I guess!
When you say "...a temporary Illusion that serves a purpose" do you mean to say that even though we live in this material environment as incarnated spirits we can sense and feel that there is more to this life than meets the eye...? and we have to learn the knowledge to see the wisdom of it all?. |
Markc
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Post Number: 629
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 10:55 am: |
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Hi Bianca and Bob ;
In reading your posts I thought about how even in material pursuits there is activity , or even , especially so . Keeping people busy with this seems like the only life . It's no surprise that spiritual pursuits seem pointless to most people , I assume , due to their point of personal evolution .
Salome , Mark
Mark Campbell
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Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 284
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 09:29 pm: |
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Hi Bianca,
I posted a clarification under: Planet Earth>>Human Relationships.
Regards
Bob |
Redhalls
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 03-2010
| | Posted on Friday, March 12, 2010 - 03:21 am: |
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Hi Melli,
You said: "there is not a day that goes by whereby I don't think of how I am a tiny speck in a cosmic space and yet I cannot comprehend it, I know it I feel its effects on my life and yet...how do I grasp it? with time and patience I guess!"
I don't know why you feel that, seems you are comparing yourself with the universe (big vs small) which I don't think there's a reason to do that??? I mean we are humans on a planet and that's it, why do you have to compare yourself with something else?
They say Spirit is part of creation and it's within us, so you have Creation closer to you than your breath as they say - so focus on that maybe, that Creation is with you - not about the big universe who cares how big it is, it's big for a reason to accommodate galaxies, etc.
I think you should read the Spiritual Teachings again maybe if not already to understand what to think about - I think about that part of Creation the spirit is within me. Semjase said that even in deep space she does not feel lonely because she knows the spirit (which is part of Creation) is always within her. I read this in Star Wisdom.
So my last suggestion is to read more about these spiritual teachings, books and at least for me it helped me to think different and see things as they are - because you're probably NOT seeing things as they are that's why you feel like that. In fact you're not because you're only comparing.
Also about this question:
"but how should people see their own connection to nature"
I think that's step 2, step 1 is learning spiritual teachings and understanding them... and then going out in nature probably is step 2 - Let's say you never read the spiritual teachings, your life was always in jail and then you read that thing there to go out in nature... I mean you'll probably don't figure out anything if you go and try.
You have to first read and learn the other parts relating to it (spiritual teachings, about spirit, about creation). I think that's more imp to do as first and know everything you can about it - then probably it will come naturally the need to go out in nature.
At least that's how I think it make sense. |
Sanjin
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Post Number: 131
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 08:49 pm: |
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Hi all.
I'm having difficulties understanding the proverb given in chapter 26.
24. "A fool who idly rests and waits for fate goes to ruin like an unfired pot in water.
I know what it wants to say, but I don't understand the allegory with the unfired pot in water. What is an unfired pot and how does it go to ruin in water? Can someone enlighten me?
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Sanjin, an unfired pot is one that has not been placed in the oven to harden, or one without a protective glaze or coating of some kind. Without this the pot will be too porous, and will absorb water and also watery contents will leak out through the open pores of the clay rendering it useless for that purpose.
Of course unfired pots are ok, just not for liquid contents or to be placed in liquid.
Robyn
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36.The human is another person, when, surrounded by the rays of the heavenly creational sunrise, the pure delight of awakening nature streams through him.
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Jokoveltman
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Post Number: 37
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Monday, April 05, 2010 - 01:36 am: |
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Robyn,
Having been a potter for nearly 10 years, I feel I must correct you. It seems you are confusing unfired pottery with unglazed and/or terra cotta pottery such as a common clay flower pot (which are fired to at least 700C - this is called low-fire). An unfired pot will literally - and very quickly - disintegrate(!) into a pile of mush in water. Furthermore, it will take a bit of work to make that material back into usable clay again.
By the way, there are other ways to make pots impermeable besides glazes - burnishing and high-firing (>1250C), for example. Also, unless there is a crack or hole, a pot does not generally "leak" - though unburnished and unglazed low-fire pots will absorb water, which will evaporate from the surface exposed to the air, keeping the contents cool. (This is also the source of the usually white "stains" found on flower pots after use for some time: soluble salts left behind by the evaporating water.)
Peace,
Tim |
Indi
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Post Number: 443
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, April 05, 2010 - 02:53 am: |
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Tim, as you are experienced as a potter, I welcome any correction.
In this case though, my details were not that incorrect and were only for the sake of explaining.
I have had pots that allowed water to seep, as they were not fired enough to hold eg., rainwater, that lacked enough minerals. Porcelain in this instance.
But really the issue is the understanding of the proverb isn't it?
Robyn |
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