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Adysor
Member
Post Number: 10
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 10:38 pm: | 
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I understand your intention but if you really want to introduce the spiritual teachings speak only the truth. Tell them only what they can digest and slowly they will ask you more if they are interested and then speak only the truth because if not the real Truth will not be understood correctly as was the case with religions in ancient times when truth was altered by other people and then passed to others. |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 182
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 01:53 pm: |
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Hello Adysor,
Thank you for your suggestions. Yes, you are correct, my approach was a little off track. As you understand the intent, this was to generate thinking, without doing "missionary" work. Truth will always speak for itself.
Salome
Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU?
J_rod7
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Karlsult
Member
Post Number: 12
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 07:28 am: |
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Hi,
I found the BEST video I ever seen... on myspace. If you watch it the first time it seems plain normal. I am exited.
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2786447
See it second time slowly before the big thing dissapears, you see lights around it.
Karl |
Stafath
Member
Post Number: 44
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 02:51 pm: |
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Wow. Looks like that saucer used something like FTL drive from Battlestar Galactica show. |
Markc
Member
Post Number: 634
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2008 - 12:31 am: |
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http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfmfuseaction=vids
individual&VideoID=2518098
Mark Campbell
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Hector
Member
Post Number: 372
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2008 - 04:23 am: |
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Ptaah said that there are at least three types of extraterrestrials with different technological and spiritual levels, visiting us at this time.They are not interested in making contact, but they do not have any kind of invisibility shield, so nothing would stop us from watching.
It's just a matter of probability that most of the late ufo videos and pics could be authentic and real.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article857527.ece
Of course, in these strange times we live in, our fellow men instinctively tie each and every UFO event to fabrication an deceit."The word "Photoshopped" is present in everybody's mind.Some know it alls and so called UFO "professionals" and "specialists" experience a godly like saddism and intellectual torture while doing their miserable job, which is to debunk and portrait as hoax any decent UFO vid or pic.(Most clear example, the infamous David Biedny from the paracast.com and the like).
Common sense and the right to disagree have definitely been sent to exile in Ufology. |
Karlsult
Member
Post Number: 13
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2008 - 04:49 am: |
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Mark, link does not work. |
Borthwey
Member
Post Number: 30
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2008 - 08:52 pm: |
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Sometimes the second and/or the third frames don't appear, maybe it's got something to do with the video player program.
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Incredible
Member
Post Number: 148
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 - 11:42 am: |
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Hey guys what have done this ship?
Go to other dimension, become invisible or accelerated at an incredible speed?
"we born to die and we die to born"
"Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her"
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Jamesm
Member
Post Number: 65
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 - 03:12 pm: |
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Looks to me to have accelerated to the left of where the camera is pointing...I cannot tell if it is a fake or not.
James G. T. Moore
Webmaster www.futureofmankind.co.uk
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Adysor
Member
Post Number: 15
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 05:19 pm: |
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It might be that the craft "chumped"(as Billy said:D) with the speed of light. |
Stafath
Member
Post Number: 46
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 11:53 pm: |
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It might be also that this craft went back to future. What makes me think that is that so far I've read that hyperspace can't be used near a planetary body and those saucers don't start going at speed of light just by flashing into nothing, and most importantly - if you look at that saucer for too long (yep eyes may be pecked out) you can see that it has somekind of forcefield around it. |
Socrates
Member
Post Number: 27
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 03:26 am: |
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Billy's knowledge is nothing new, it's been around for many years in the occult circles, religions, and various other teachings within various groups and his story is very easily created if you but have a good imagination and much real knowledge mixed in there making it all the more believable.
I was caught up in the story last year and I became engrossed in it, spending nearly 17+ hours a day just sitting and listening or reading various material Billy had, yes, much of what he writes is truthful, however one can not make the jump to say that all of it is that he says is the absolute truth without substantial evidence and all of his information has been already known for a very long time, even if the material is good there are holes in it that we have patched up ourselves with our own imaginations.
I was fooled into believing a particular person very early on in my studies claiming to be Semjase
and I let myself become fooled over time because I wanted to believe so badly that this was real. Early on, I had a healthy suspicion but as time went on and as the information he gave produced some great spiritual truths every slip-up or error the person made I just ignored and assumed it not a slip-up at all by letting my imagination go to patch it up, but these slip-ups increased and eventually it was too much to ignore and I began to notice large contradictions that stood out like a sore thumb, eventually I confronted the person and it was over after he knew I caught him lying. This single act this person made, has helped me in a way that has given me the ability to not fall prey to illusions once again from false hope and what eventually led to my questioning Billy's material more seriously and trying to understand everything his story and teachings from the resources I had.
As time went on, my knowledge grew tremendously, I began studying other material apart from Billy's and what I found was that nearly everything I read contained what Billy has been learning from his ET contacts. Then I began to see a different story unfold, revealing the possible ways that Billy came to create this story, thus allowing myself fully to detach from the illusion he has created that many of us on these forums seek to be apart of because it is what they want to believe in most at this time.
I will repeat that from my observations nearly all of his spiritual teachings are very correct and accurate, but his story is fabricated. I do not know Billy personally and so it is difficult for me to say what motives he has for doing such, but I believe these motives can be found within the story itself.
I am not here to present the truth to you in a nice, neat format like Billy has done with the spiritual teachings, all I ask is to go out there and look deeply into other sources of information and you will see eventually what I am talking about. You will be surprised to find out how well known in certain societies his information has been for centuries and how easy this information was to obtain as well as for how easily he has created his 'proof' of ET contact.
~Scott, I am not blasting anyone, just expressing my opinion from my own observations from studying Billy's material and then studying other material outside of his. |
Markc
Member
Post Number: 637
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 11:26 am: |
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You are just another cheap example of how someone can make long winded criticisms of Billy without having read the material , 'socrates" . ( what nerve , to use that name )
You say that you have ?
I say that you haven't , as a bull eats , and rids himself of it's burden .
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Mark Campbell
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Jamesm
Member
Post Number: 67
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 11:44 am: |
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Socrates, how do you account for all the eye-witnesses, hard evidence and predictions that have come true?
Pure coincidence? I'm sorry for you but this man Eduard is telling us the truth in my opinion. Its staring you and everyone in the face.
You only need to overcome your false childhood state education and materialism-oriented societal influences in order to realise that our man Billy is the embodiment of truth.
Yes the mass of evidence does imply he is telling us the truth.
If I was a typical man off the street who lived to have sex, get drunk, play computer games, watch porn, read materialistic magazines like GC and Maxim, buy the latest fancy gadgets like an iPod, Wii, PS3, Xbox360, super dooper multifunction mobile phone, the latest fashionable clothes at 1000% of the cost to make because of the name tag then I would say: Billy is full of s**t.
But I'm not. And I hope you aren't too.
Unfortunately I'd estimate that more than 95% of the men where I live have one or more of the above traits...and what does that mean, its means you are not of pure mind, you are tainted. Myself included, I count 2 of the above traits but I'm getting better! That does not I'm the typical man off the street though. I used to be....
Can you admit your failings? Can any of your skeptics come here and admit them in public? Listen to your heart, mine has told me it was a good idea to come clean here.
Kind Regards
James G. T. Moore
Webmaster www.futureofmankind.co.uk
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Badr
Moderator
Post Number: 349
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 01:07 pm: |
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Hi Socrates,
First of all where did you read that Billy’s info is new, or at least where has he stated it?
Who made “the jump to say that all of it is that he says is the absolute truth without substantial evidence”? While you are at it why not show us the holes that you speak of?
I noticed a lot of people get stuck into the mode of believing, but in the end of the day if they take the serious step to really read the core of the material... one is able to verify many core things, and from what i saw nothing of that sort is available on the internet or in the English translations, which leads me to the conclusion that you haven’t done the serious work needed for a healthy criticism. Otherwise you would write something worth while with references and solid opinions that clearly state what you are saying, and not a story about you believing in a guy that thought he was Semjase!
For your information the Plejarens were not his only source of information... does “a world travel” ring a bell.
What evidence have you found that his story is an “illusion”?
If you followed the forum you will notice that a lot of people do look at other sources, mostly because there is not much information in English, and would rather read some other source than spend the time and effort to translate. Which is a personal choice... But if you have read the German books or spirit lessons you would quickly come to the conclusion that his details of explanation are far more complex than any religion, sect, cult or secret society... that would be accessible to anyone.
So in my instance not having alot of time in my hands, spending what ever time I have studying the spirit lessons and reading one of Billy’s books does not mean that I am not open to what others write. But I just don’t see why I would be bothered in some simplified abc... book about life... compared to the thousands of pages written by Billy in German.
Salome, Badr |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 289
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 12:44 pm: |
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Hi Socrates,
You are correct in that the information is nothing new. The Laws of Creation are out there in nature for anyone to contemplate. But you are grossly in error to say that the same written information can be found, "in the occult circles, religions, and various other teachings within various groups." A partial version of it at best. Can you be perfectly honest with yourself and with us? Which of the Meier books in German have you read? Have you subscribed to and studied all of the Geisteslehre? If not, then how do you know what's contained in them? No one here is trying to tell others that the Meir material is appropriate for them. Everyone will seek a level of learning that is commensurate with their spiritual progress. If it doesn't feel right to you, then you will simply move on. It's not an all-or-nothing paradigm. But it is very naive to assume that others have not read the same outside material that you have.
Regards
Bob |
Rarena
Member
Post Number: 324
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 01:31 pm: |
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Socrates,
There is probably more information that Billy has written to read in one lifetime. So am in agreement with the gentlemen above...
You do not have to believe anything. But to know, or... to have a knowing... or truth via experience you've had, makes for a stronger, more reasonable impression which leads to wisdom and the power of thought.
The volumes of material that Billy has written in German is astounding. Of the over one hundred and thirty books he has written, it is perhaps too soon to say your knowledge is extensive.
What is a large understanding to you may be a rudimentry understanding to many on this forum. Rather than cast yourself out with a rash judgement (of yourself) it may be prudent to observed further, listen to the wisdom these intelligent friends of yours have and maybe find out exactly what they mean. This is a really interesting and fulfilling subject. Casting it off and being embarassed to continue would be a loss.
For example: If you see a rose, what is it you really see? Do you see... a rose, a memory which is not really your observation but the sum total of what you've learned from seeing roses (your ego-sociatal tranquilized impressionalism of a rose)?
Clarity of the mind, pure thought... see with that. Our psyche tends to cloud without meditation and concentration severely lacking in this pop up, pull down, jargon generated, microwaved and gui interfaced reality we tend to find ourselves.
When in fact you may actually see a set of colors, a specific shape and smell certain smells and then evaluate the rose... pure unadultered, observation and aquirement without cluttered bias and the thoughts of other people.
Continuous reflection must be avoided. Some people stay in their past because that's all they see... They do not evolve. Allow the past to stay where it is and allow the future to become the present and fall into the past... otherwise you are at the mercy of the less knowledgable.
If you continue to look into your past how will you know what lies ahead?
The point seems subtle, but has really far reaching consequences and implications as far as personal evolution goes... Some on this list have the wisdom behind them... from experiential learning and it is natural to react the way you are doing.
It goes against lifetimes of incorrect teachings perpetrated on the tranquil public for control, power and money... so it is understandable that it may not be a direction you want to go.
Making mistakes is necessary for evolution until you get to the place where they happen less and less.
It is a wise person who can learn from another...
Be thankful to those that are harsh to you because they are revealing truth. You could watch TV and it would make you feel all warm and fuzzy showing you heros and love stories or telling you you're a winner... because they do the thinking for you... but which is better? Your thoughts or the TV's/medias' thoughts...
Because you are on this forum... in the skeptics corner it is because you want the truth. |
Corey
Member
Post Number: 40
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 05:26 pm: |
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Socrates your entire post is speculation and boring Im not trying to sensationalize it but from my viewpoint it seems that way.
A person might never come to a complete conclusions about Billy's teachings and I think as well your study was a onesided snowflake on the tip of the iceberg, A fair minded person would learn German and get to know some of the various snowflakes available (Kleinschriften, Artikel, Bücher) to get to know the various perspectives offered before coming to "final" conclusions as possibly true Learning is a contant and changing process that is neverending.
Many people probably assume that they need to learn Meditation right away or dive right into the "OM"'s to get to know it all but really just between some of the Bulletins, Sonder Bulletins, blurbs of the Wassermannzeit I am reading, and some of the Bücher I own, (Badr I hear you on the time thing) I make a lot of time and still I don't reallistically think I could even consider the Geisteslehre for a some years but I do hold the future open for beginning Meditation for example.
However this is my perspective, from someone who also is a just beginning admirer of snowflakes.
I don't know how some of you make so much time but good for you. 
Corey
harmonisches Funktionieren zu lernen
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Alan
Member
Post Number: 203
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 07:21 pm: |
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Mark summed it up best -
You are just another cheap example of how someone can make long winded criticisms of Billy without having read the material , 'socrates" . ( what nerve , to use that name )
  
socrates I too are allowed to express my opinion like you, and here it is.
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I don't like seeing people (anyone) talk crap and/or criticize Billy!} |
Adityasonakia
Member
Post Number: 215
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 10:52 pm: |
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Dear Socrates,
You know what, you really actually have not done your research well. You claim, that your knowledge about the Billy meier material grew tremendously? No, i dont think so.
Beacause if your knowledge about the teachings and other material grew tremendously, you wouldnt be talking like how you are.
Please, before saying anything against the mission or Billy, please please do your complete research, and then put up your claims.
Yes, it is not bad to have a skeptical mind, beacause you need to think both ways the positive and negative, but only after knowing about the ting completely.
Salome
Aditya |
Trevor
Member
Post Number: 51
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 04:13 am: |
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Yes thats a common problem with people critizing and casting doubt on the Billy Meier UFO contact case simply because they haven't read/researched the material.
Socrates is one of these people. He reminded me of this film critic reviewer who reviewed The Silent Revolution of Truth film below. They start off innocently enough and soon then get ahead of themselves and as a result, they become full of it, and then start bagging the case simply because they haven't read or done enough research in the case to know what they are talking about.
Its a shame how common this happens with the Meier case.
The Silent Revolution of Truth
http://www.filmsinreview.com/FilmReviews/DVDs/srot.html |
Hector
Member
Post Number: 374
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 11:30 am: |
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Socrates said "I will repeat that from my observations nearly all of his spiritual teachings are very correct and accurate, but his story is fabricated."
At least this man says Billy's spiritual teachings are worthy, valuable and useful.What he can't stand is the lack of physical proof.He does not buy Billy's contacts, time travels and intergalactic journeys, because such events perhaps do not match his preconceived idea of Ufology.
Much worse would it be that he accepted the contacts as real but dismissed the teachings as preposterous and ridiculous.So, i guess he'll be back to Figu sooner or later, because this is the best place on Earth where spiritual teachings can be learnt, he'll look for spirituality everywhere but will not find any source better than Billy.
Billy has repeated one million times that the studying/validating of UFO phenomena is an accessory part of his mission.It's the spirit teachings which are important, not the UFO-related topics.So, if Socrates says the teachings are accurate, then he's making progress.Slow progress, but progress anyway. |
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