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Author Message Historeed New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 09-2008 Posted on Monday, January 05, 2009 - 03:41 pm:        I agree with J_Rod7's opinion that until our scientists make the connection of spritual Truth as a necessary component in solving the mysteries of our universe, they're simply "spinning their wheels"... Mqhassan Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 10:54 am:        A number of paranormal phenomena on Earth, like what is witnessed with yogin flyers, or practicing transcedental meditation techniques coming mostly from southeast asian cultures in addition to tele and phsychokinesis , indicate that such events cannot be explained by the fundamental four forces of nature ( EM, Strong , Weak, and Gravity ). It is here that the powers of the spirit and fine matter provide the solution. The current scientific theories trying to unify the forces of nature like superstring super-symmetry still falls short of fulfilling its role mostly because of missing inputs. The solutions either assume ten or twenty six dimensions from the basic four forces of nature, and scientists still view the six remaining dimensions from the ten as actually curled up in the subatomic realm leaving us with the three large space dimensions plus time. Studying the Plejaran model of the universe with its seven belts provides us with an interesting result that beyond the material ( fourth belt ) , the strong and weak forces would cease to exist, and EM would work quite differently. Gravity is likely to be the only remaining known force practically extending to the other dimensions, way out of our visual limits, as modern string theorists are trying to explain. It will show its effect by stopping the expansion of the universe and reversing its direction. What present day earth science assumes as the four fundamental forces of nature, could actually be seven of which we have three more to discover. If the SEVEN forces of nature are accepted as being the foundation for understanding the fine and creational matter, then one would return to the superstring super-symmetry theories for its mathematical solutions, and would favor the 26 dimension model which assumes the existence of tachyons over the current 10 dimensional model, which would not be sufficient to explain fine matter and the seven levels of sub atomic structure, and cannot account for tachyons. Seven planes of sub-atomic structure was also mentioned without much detail, other than that earth sciences have delved into only two of these levels. We could we be dealing with a similar sub atomic structural hierarchy leading to the finest levels, that is similar to the universe itself. The density and dimension ratios in the sub-atomic world could be a small image of the universe as a whole. This would provide us with a new 7 by 7 by 7 symmetry that covers the universe, sub-atomic world and the forces of nature. Salome Mohammed Edward Member Post Number: 1285 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 04:43 am:        Hi Mohammed.... Nice to hear from you again! Been awhile. Well, yes, good example would be Jmmanuel and Peter, I think it was, when they both walked/levitated above the waters/sea; and Jmmanuel did indeed, explain it was a combination of the Consciousness related Powers and Spirit Power; if I remember correctly; and in conjunction with the (human/mind) body. And even though Peter was not that highly evolved as Jmmanuel he did walk just as Jmmanuel on the water. And Peter had to Acknowledge that it was possible, - within himself - to keep up that manifestation, or else he would just sink into the water. Thus, truly: Mind Over Matter. Edward. Edward Member Post Number: 1289 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 04:21 am:        Hi Scott.... Will post here...as you recommended, ok? Concerning the 'code'; I am familiar with what you answered to me. Am aware of the Plejaran Scientists' work; but, I also seem to have read, that even the Editing Billy does, not all of his editing/writings, the code is also incorporated into; one way or another. So, it is not only German, but certain English writings of Billy, even. As I understand it, Billy even writes English pieces, and not only German pieces. Thus, in certain English pieces he would incorporated the code, if needed/wished. So, we should see this from Billy's point of view of incorporating the code into English, and not from the point of view of the mentioned Plejaran Scientists. Edward. Karrol New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 01-2009 Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 06:21 pm:        Dear Mr. Meier, I hope you are feeling better. My question concerns the American woman known as Ester Hicks whom claims to dialog with a group of non-physical beings she calls Abraham. They are very popular in the USA. So popular in fact that they have caught the attention of Oprah Winfrey. Their teachings are about a law they call the Law of Attraction. They claim that the vibrations of our thoughts and emotions attract like events and people into our lives. My question is: Does this law exist? Respectfully, Karrol Steeves Scott Moderator Post Number: 1680 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 09:01 pm:        Hello Karrol, Mr. Meier (Billy) does not read this forum. There is a Questions to Billy section, but it usually only opens up once per month. Possibly someone else may be able to answer your question. Of course there are laws of cause and effect which govern all creatures. Regards Scott-FIGU Forum Moderator Marcela Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 06-2008 Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 10:40 am:        Dear Karrol: Welcome to the forum. I am a new user as well and I am learning a lot here and from the web site, from the contact information, etc.. I don’t have a precise answer for your question, but I can tell you that Billy has said in many occasions that people like chanellers, mediums, psychics, contactees with beings from other dimensions, aren’t real. These people, Billy says, are trying to get attention, money, or others suffer from a mental disorder. The only thing real is humans like you and me of flesh and bones who live in other planets, in other universes. The none-physical beings that Billy has explained about are humans that have evolved so much in their conscience that they don’t need a physical body anymore, and they have lived billions of lives. It is impossible for us to contact this level of conscience. On the other hand, we do have vibrations that are projected or released to our exterior. For example, Billy says that we, humans of this earth, have such a negative vibrations that we cannot have any kind of physical contact with the Plejarens because we can produce a lot of harm to them. I never heard of a “law of attraction” mentioned by Billy’s teachings; however, he tells us that we have absolute domain of our actions and thoughts and we get together with people who we like and find something in common with. We should get together with people who are a good influence and good example for us obviously; however, this is our own decision. The very clear law is the one Scott mentioned. “Cause and Effect” is what rules our universe, and the cause will be determined by our thoughts. The actions will be the effect. About asking Billy questions in regard to Mrs. Ester Hicks, you need to check the section the last week of every month, and you can submit your question directly to him. Always good to see new members, so welcome again Salome Thomas Member Post Number: 590 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 02:28 pm:        Here is my theory of what unconsciousness forms are: Starting with the given idea that the material consciousness, subconsciousness, psyche and other factors all have their own unconsciousness forms through which all info must first pass before moving into the just named factors, it is apparent to me that the unconsciousness forms are not a state, but in fact, distinct consciousness-related factors in and of themselves. If this is true, then what does an unconsciousness form do? BEAM states that: "The unconscious/unconsciousness (das Unbewusste) is the “secretary’s office” of the consciousness. Everything that enters the consciousness or subconsciousness has to go through the unconscious. The memory and other factors also have their unconscious." While Christian F. adds: "If a thought comes to awareness in the consciousness it has already spent some ten’s of a second in the unconscious and may probably have triggered a feeling or an emotion. This mechanism is responsible that there is never a feeling the reason for a thought, but that a feeling is always and without any exception triggered by a thought." From this we can surmise that an unconsciousness form is the gateway to its particular consciousness form, and that, being an "unconscious" form, it is beyond the awareness of its particular consciousness form. To me, this implies that the unconsciousness forms perform their functions in a not conscious, and thus likely automatic way. If this is also true, then we might say that the unconsciousness forms act as an automatic routing and/or infomation management system, allowing the related consciousness form to either have access to the information in question, or to deny that consciousness form access to that information. This is entirely different and apart from the material subconsciousness. The subconsciousness has a completely different function this does not happen in an unconscious manner, though it does happen outside of the immediate perception of the consciousness. As a further way to clarify the difference between subconsciousness and unconsciousness forms, you can think about body functions that are in no way consciously perceived by the material consciousness. The pulse of one's heart normally passes unnoticed in everyday life, but in a moment of excitement when the heart beats rapidly and with vigour, the pulsing of the heartbeat might become noticed and thus conscious to the person. In this way, you can see how something normally can be occupying the material consciousness' unconsciousness form, but then passing into the acute awareness of the material consciousness. For the material subconsciousness, I imagine the following scenario: The subconsciousness is bombarded by impulses from every living being (at least on the same planet) and these are normally not all taken into use by the subconsciousness at the same time, if at all. However one could, during meditation for example, cause indirectly, the subconsciousness to take note of the impulses received from another person on the same planet. In this case, the normally unused impulses move from being recieved in the unconsciousness form belonging to the material subconsciousness, to being actively used by the material subconsciousness. This is only what I have come up with to this point, and my ideas have changed over time and may do so again. It is just offered here for you to comment on... Cpl Member Post Number: 414 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 05:37 am:        Very interesting comments, Thomas. Just one minor comment (on a typo?) "...some ten's of a second..." is, I believe you will find, "...some tenths of a second.." or it would have to be "...some tens of seconds...", which would seem clearly not the case. Chris Thomas Member Post Number: 594 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 09:14 am:        Chris, I think you are correct and it should be tenths of a second... Thomas Member Post Number: 601 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 05:15 am:        Further thought on the nature of unconsciousness forms: Looing at the official FIGU Glossary website, it is mentioned that there are several different unconsciousness forms, each belonging to their respective factor. For example, the material consciousness has its unconsciousness form, as does the material subconsciousness. The psyche has its unconsciousness form as do the thoughts of a person. Even the memory and the instincts of a person each have their own unconsciousness form, and so on. Erklärung aus GL 144 "Ursprung der Träume, Bewusstsein-Bewusstes/Unterbewusstsein-Unbewusstes/Unbewussten-Formen" ...Als Bereiche, aus denen heraus die Träume entstehen, sind dabei einerseits das Materiell-Bewusstsein und das Unterbewusstsein sowie die Unbewussten-Formen, die da gegeben sind als Unbewusstes des Bewusstseins, Unbewusstes des Unterbewusstseins, Unbewusstes der Psyche, Unbewusstes der Gefühle, Unbewusstes des Gewissens, Unbewusstes des Strebens, Unbewusstes des Charakters, Unbewusstes der Emotionen, Unbewusstes des Individuellen, Unbewusstes der Gedanken, Unbewusstes der Triebe, Unbewusstes der Sinne, Unbewusstes des Instinkts, Unbewusstes des Organismus und Unbewusstes des Gedächtnisses. From this, it is apparent to me that unconsciousness forms are not thought processes, although they are related to them. It also leads me to believe that they are not limited to coarse material body processes alone because the psyche is "half material" which means fine material belonging to the material world as opposed to the spiritual world. Though the psyche is also related to the coarse matter of the nervous system, the psyche itself is not of coarser, but of finer material matter. So it seems to me that an uncosnciousness form need not be entirely coarse material in form. Since unconsciousness form implies not of awareness (UN-consciousness form), the function of these unconsciousness forms are likely automatic to a degree as mentioned in a previous post. Looking in Kelch der Wahrheit it mentions that the time between unconsciousness reception of info and the conscious reception of that info, 25 to 30 hundreths of a second may pass (2 to 3 tenths of a second). This implies that time does pass and that some processing does occur from the unconsciousness form on to its respective factor (be that the material consciousness, subconsciousness, psyche, etc.). If the unconsciousness forms are like the secretary of each subsystem as BEAM responded in the Q and A section, this implies that each unconsciousness form is like the doorway to its respective factor. This does not mean, though, that an unconsciousness form is a reception or input device, such as are the physical senses (sight, hearing, etc.). An unconsciousness form seems to be more like the reception area within each respective factor, while the material senses, for example, are more like tools of the consciousness form, and are somewhat external to the internal processes of the consciousness. So by analogy, if we have a computer, the consciousness would be the active processes being computed, the subconsciousness would be the programs themselves used by the computer, the memory would be the chips or storage devices of the computer, and the senses would be the input devices like the keyboard, etc. Using that analogy, the unconsciousness form the consciousness (active processes in the computer) would be the parts of the computer that support specifically that function of the computer without being perceived by the person using the computer, for example, the CPU internal processes. The unconsciousness of the subconsciousness (programs stored in the computer) would be the ones and zeros making up the program since they aren't perceptible even when looing at the program itself without decompiling it. The unconsciousness of the memory would be the internal chip processes in the RAM or the internal mechanisms of the hard drive. The input of the computer would of course be the mouse, keyboard, etc. and those would equate to the material senses of sight, touch, etc. So from this analogy you can see the difference between the subconsciousness and an unconsciousness form as well as the difference between the input/senses and an uncosnciousness form. This analogy may be very inaccurate, but at least you can start to have an idea about how the individual parts interact. As one of my friends from the forum pointed out to me, I don't yet have a perfect understanding of the subconsciousness, but as I said, this rough analogy is just a rough starting point that I hope to refine. Analogies are often far from perfect, but can be good learning tools at the beginning :-) J_rod7 Member Post Number: 618 Registered: 10-2007 Posted on Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 01:48 pm:        *** Thomas, I DO like your analogy. Even though the correspondence to the machine is somewhat limited by current machine architecture, this does simplify the conceptualization. One might expand the concept to include the "Ghost-in-the Machine" to represent the driving Spirit. *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2009 Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 07:07 am:        Just a short thought (no pun intended!) Walking the Walk! Talking the Talk! Just thinking, doing and Being! Just like being some kind of Buddhist or Tao Master! Wow!!! And most surely not always, in one day! Not so many words but it pretty well much means the same thing! But the only problem with this example is that you have to have had the experiences both good and bad and both birth and death first, before even having the final so called realization/understanding/nirvana, thingy! Oft times we're asking for quick answers especially in this day of Mass Information. To us, Patience is not a virtue! Man goes to old man on the mountain asks what's the meaning of life, old man say's go back down the mountain and when your ready come back up again and I'll surely answer your question! Man does it again and climbs back up the mountain and the old man just says "Duh"! Well the man got furious and said "What did I do to deserve that?" The Old man said "Good Walk wasn't it?", Man said, "Yeh, so what"!!! Old man said "beautiful view isn't it?, but not an easy climb!" Man said "Yes, so!" Then, the old man said "There in lies... Duh! answer, experience of being through choice and change!" The making of a Soft new born brain into a beautiful wrinkly one! Plus no matter how good the Computer it is only as good as the programmer... That's why they created the CDR/CDRW and Flash Memory - for those of us who make a lot of mistakes! and try to learn from them! Mat ;) First you forget names, then you forget faces. Next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down. George Burns Karrol New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2009 Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 06:57 pm:        Thank you Scott-I did not realize that I was in the wrong section. Thank you Marcela for your response. I have come to the conclusion that Ester Hicks is not "channeling" non-physical beings. What I find puzzling is where her "inspiration" comes from. I have heard literally hundreds of hours of her information and watched her on video and observed her in person. How is she able to "perform so flawlessly" especially when answering questions from the audience? She is amazingly consistent. There are so many people out there claiming to be spiritual leaders with the ability to see angels, contact spiritually advanced spirits, etc that I was starting to believe it was true. I was was going through a hard time in life so was very vulnerable to the feel good messages. I was very sad for several weeks after discovering Billy's information because I finally realized how deceitful, delusional, and greedy humans can really be. I am doing better now and feel fortunate to have found this information. I am even learning German so that I can ready all of the information and spiritual teachings that Billy has to offer. Salome, Karrol Ramirez Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 06-2008 Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 05:12 am:        Karrol. Ester Hicks is promoting positive thinking, encouraging participants to alter the prism through which life is observed, and above all to feel good ... about yourself, others etc. No harm in that at all. If you care to watch this video .... about 6 minutes into it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aRfjyoeJ9I&feature=related Ester Hicks reveals her agenda. When asked by a participant about god she states. "And the first question we want you to ask is who am I, and our answer is you are god" As you make discoveries from the information contained within this forum & Billy's writings you might consider that she is not correct. We are part of Creation, not Creation itself. Various religious leaders & priests to diverse faiths entertain grandiose delusions of representing or even assigning to themselves the mantle of actually being a supreme power, however Ester is not among these, rather she appears to be catering to the needs of her audience whilst inwardly appreciating that her status as a feelgood positive thinking guru serves a usefull purpose. If you listen carefully the actual content is somewhat repetitious and quite limited in substance. She is in the business of helping people feel good. Study the body language. There is a trick to this if you have time. First watch the video without sound. Then with sound. Things will fall into place. Cheers. Marcela Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 06-2008 Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 10:22 am:        Dear Karrol: I’m so glad to hear that; your conscience is telling you to take the path of truth. My story is very similar to yours. Three years ago, I was going through a sad moment in my life and I started to watch a show about ghosts on the discovery channel. I believed every single episode and started to live in fear, because those people (live interviews) swear that that happened to them. I had already read the Talmud Jmmanuel, but I saw how people were liberating people and houses of evil spirits in the name of Jesus Christ. I was getting so confused…and more fearful. Because they claimed to see devils and mean spirits trapping souls in this life, etc… Until one day, I decide to read the TJ again and saw the web site! So I found out about Billy Meier and I asked him about this phenomena. He gave me references to new knowledge that I read later and I knew that the whole show was a complete fabrication of absolute lies and deceiving stories that can confuse people a lot. The discovery channel is entertaining people, but they put the stories as if they were real and that is misinformation. So they present all these “mediums”, and of course the demonologists. Then the church claims to have a book with the names of the devils. I see that the church uses fear to keep people enslaved to their ability to protect you from these devils. On the other hand, people like Ester have a positive, enlighten and bright pull for people. They are very good at what they do. at the end they are all the same. Salome J_rod7 Member Post Number: 749 Registered: 10-2007 Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 03:02 pm:        ***** Hello Karrol, A Big Welcome to the Forum. In response to "Ester Hicks is not "channeling" non-physical beings. What I find puzzling is where her "inspiration" comes from." --- Some persons of greater psychic abilities are able to access information from the Collective Consciousness Block (CCB), sometimes also referred to as "the Akashic Record." Therein is stored the knowledge gained from the processing of Human Spirits between lives. Such knowledge is in very high frequency values, in a "holograph" patterning present all around the Earth at a level called the Noosphere. Every Human on Earth is born with the psychic abilities, but many lose the connection as they grow older and the Pineal becomes atrophied. A continued practice of meditation can restore such abilities by putting the mind in a peaceful state, the practice of visualization (with material eyes shut), and listening for the voice of the Spirit. Such practice can also lead to enhanced Telepathic abilities, to see and understand Auras, to enhanced Spiritual Progress. It is also possible to receive answers to questions by this method. The Spirit itself, stands outside of "Time," and therefore has access to past, present, and future. Information from the source of the Spirit (Geist - Gemüt) may come through in meditation "trance states," by way of the semi-material Psyche to the Conscious Mind. All of this takes practice in awareness, meditation, and intent. If Ester Hicks inspiration has Truth, these mentioned would be the source. And, as said, this is possible for anyone. To add here, not all persons claiming "channeling" abilities tell Truth. Some are charlatans, deceivers, liars, out for an EGO boost and to take money from the gullible. Be cautious, practice discernment, let your true feeling and logic guide you in this. Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod Jimmy Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 05-2009 Posted on Tuesday, June 02, 2009 - 07:43 pm:        Dear All, I just read that we shouldn't be keeping any animals as pets in our homes because of transmission of diseases (some unknown) ect, to which I agree, but what about horses? We live on a large acreage situated right next to a state forest where we love taking the horses. Horse's are also still used as transport in some parts of the world. Is owning a horse seen as keeping a pet according to the Plejaren? Is there an exception for horse's because they are unlike owning any other animal? Cpl Member Post Number: 440 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 09:14 am:        Hi Jimmy, They really mean keeping pets in the home, or indoors, is not advised. As Quetzal milks his cows I reckon he'd approve of you taking the horses round your acreage. Just keeping aware of and practicing natural hygiene should do the trick. Chris Jimmy Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 05-2009 Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 04:49 pm:        Thanks Chris! I don't think the horses mind us owning them anyway but I'm unsure of that. Do you think the Plejarens would say that horses would be happier if they were left free to roam and feed off the land instead of being owned and locked up by humans? Kingman Member Post Number: 619 Registered: 07-2004 Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 07:52 pm:        Jimmy, Wouldn't you be happier if you were free to roam and decide your life for yourself? a friend in america Shawn Jimmy Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 05-2009 Posted on Thursday, June 04, 2009 - 12:09 am:        Hi Shawn, Yes I would but I think if I were a horse I may also like to have the peace and security of having all my needs being taken of by humans, so I don't know which one a horse may prefer. A thousand years ago I think they would prefer to be left free but maybe not in todays shrinking world. Have the Plejarens ever said anything in regards to horses? Kingman Member Post Number: 623 Registered: 07-2004 Posted on Friday, June 05, 2009 - 01:44 am:        Hi Jimmy, All the horses I spoke with seem to feel we humans owe them a bit of a vacation for all the hard work they helped us with. a friend in america Shawn

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