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    Markc Member Post Number: 414 Registered: 06-2000 |
Salome Robjn ; Billy doesn't talk about other's spirit forms any more , or his own .The core group also has their reasons for leaving that out of discussions with others .It seems logical to me that this is so for reasons of respect and privacy . Hi Mohammed ; Seemingly contradictorily ( considering the above comment ) the spirit form of the Plejaren Gabriel is enlivened in Quetzal, who has recently become Jschwjsch . The recent silence about spirit forms ,I gather, refers to Earth humans , and not the Plejarens , because we don't know them personally , as we can each other . Hi Tammy ; The affirmations can be practiced silently . Repeating them three times is just a good way to strengthen the message to the subconscious , as is anything , phone numbers , etc. Hola Memoo ; The affirmations are effective in any language . I assume there is code woven into the German , as in all of Billy's writings . I practice it often , having committed to memory for some years now .I can't fly yet. Kind Regards, Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 204 Registered: 06-2005 |
Scott I would like to thank you humbly for posting the "12 AFFIRMATIONS ACCORDING TO BILLY". What struck me as a coincidence was the fact that a while back when I was practicing writing my own Spirit prayer according and in variation to what Jacob posted on March 4, 2004 titled "The value of True prayer" beginning my sentence with the word "truly".... sounded abit pompous for some unknown reason yet I still inserted the word here and there amongst my many self created variations on the S. prayer because it felt so natural, so when i read these Affirmations, I felt reassured that I was indeed correct using the word 'Truly' and my belief in my spirit power became that little bit stronger. After I read the various teachings I like to have a break and think about them and then some time later I find that only when I am ready to learn more of a specific lesson I find the most valuable information here, I feel kind of guided ~~~~ amazing!!! I have a question though: The Spirit prayer is to one's own Spirit as a request to be filled with strength or power and to learn to recognize the truth/wisdom etc. of the Spirit, but in comparison the Affirmations are made by my Consciousness in order to educate the SUB-consciousness so that I will act according to a positive teaching and then rising up from deep in my Sub-consciousness to the material act accordingly, therefore I would like to ask which should I be practicing or are both addressing different options? And, the affirmations are to be repeated 3 times, why not 7 times? does the number 3 hold a significance of sorts because 7 does as we know? Thank you all for your educated contributions I am progressing nicely. Let us ALL wish for a PEACEFUL and CALM and CHEERFUL year. May the people open their minds and hearts to the truth and wisdom. Cheers, | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1030 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Melli, Your Welcome, Let me think about your questions. Scott | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 10-2005 |
Indi, Melli... Since our personality changes from material incarnation to material (coarse matter) incarnation we are not really the same person. Each life has a whole set of new personality attributes which do not necessarily correllate with the last life but are determined via the collective unconsciousness block using the laws and directives of Creation based on experience gleaned from countless previous incarnations. It is my understanding Nokodemion, one of oldest (if not the oldest) incarnated spiritforms was also Henoch, Jeremia, Jemmanual, Jesaia, Elia, Mohammad, Galileo etc. were all sustained by the very same spiritform which enlivens Billy Meier today... These aformentioned incarnations have been preclaimed via FIGU so it is apparently okay with Billy for this to be known. Normally a person's previous incarnations should remain private though. Our records are undoubtablly not as pristine as Billy's (having done this all before) so we may be a little bit more shy about divulging our previous incarnations. We are the same people we see, for example in old photographs of our past or childhood... we have changed though and (hopefully) grown with experiential knowledge, making us wiser and more capable of perceiving and understanding. The spiritform, composed of energy is difficult to perceive and understand when in a material form as we are now. In fact Billy has written that we CAN NOT very well perceive our spiritual side and is one reason for our difficulty in perceiving reincarnation, and ability for peace and harmony. Previous incarnations are indeed personal to each individual spiritform... if our previous incarnations were to be exposed to millions of people we would similarly see the lack of privacy it would entail. An analogy would be the tabloids where this or that famous person is proclaimed to be doing some unthinkable, terrible thing they are not supposed to do and written about (often untruthfully and erroneously)in a million sensationalized publications throughout the world. Thanks for the peace and calm Melli... Just read: And there shall be Peace on Earth written by Billy SSSC Dec, 14, 2002. Love, harmony, peace and freedom are all necessary for Peace. If any one aspect is forgotten peace is not possible. Wouldn't it be great if our governments' main goal was our peace,freedom, and harmony. That's Billy's... Our TRUE leader. Happy New Year to you. Much love to you. Randy ô¿ô | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 416 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Randy ; The rumour that one of Billy's previous lives was that of Galileo is not claimed by the FIGU . It's just a rumour . Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 155 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Mark, Thank you for clearing that up. Will correct my notes on this subject. Maybe the rumor was tied to the ability of both men to exhibit similar bravery; ...to stand against a sea of troubles... and thus by opposing... end them. Thanks again for the comments. Randy ô¿ô | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 489 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Melli! Welcome back! (Nice job, Hector! Very well articulated. You’ve been reading the German, nicht wahr? :-)) Melli, you ask, “Dyson, being in Byron I naturally felt better but then when i saw the Masonic centre, it left a bad taste in my mouth and so I am trying to find the next truly Peaceful town, any ideas?” In my opinion, Byron Bay is even worse than Melbourne, due to all the rich arrogant/ignorant materialists who go there to display their bodies, etc. and pursue their degenerate, mindless, childish diversions. Instead of attributing your woes to external forces which are hard to avoid, simply change your thinking. It’s much easier and ultimately much more effective. And the more good ol’ Mother Nature you can spend time in, the better, in my experience! :-) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 408 Registered: 07-2005 |
Yeah lets all move to tyndall Thought about subdividing your land dyson or partially leasing it out. 'A figu commune' first in Australia, sounds rather odd. Just kidding but it must be nice up there Dyson compared to down here. Melli long time no hear, I thought you were still down here unless of course it was for a holiday to Byron. I am getting this sense that I have been here too long and its time to move on and maybe this is how you are feeling at the moment. Hector I must say, you are well on your way, treading the right path towards spiritual progress which I admire, especially your ability to communicate in German. Thought about assisting Dyson and vivienne to translate some german figu text into english? There is always something to learn from your post and I enjoy it very much. Thanks cheers matt | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 191 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Dyson,Matt, German and English are none of my mother languages...i attended an official german highschool for 7 years, that is the reason why i feel somewhat confortable reading and writing in german... I've done my extensive and intensive research in just one year....to read and understand Billy's description of the universe has brought tremendous advantages to me, and i will keep on exploring, because inside of me there grows the need for more spiritual understanding and experiencing the deep intelectual/psychological changes it brings..... Somebody explained here which were the requisites to transalate Billy's material: 1)German and English as mother tongues 2)Being familiar or even "an expert" to Geisteslehre. 3)Feel confortable doing the translations. I do not match requisites 1 and 3...it is right now when i am beginning to practise how to communicate ideas well and fluid....And Dyson, i don't know how he does it, but his translations are damn accurate.His excellent command of the english language, allow him to bridge the gap between "the most expressive/capable language on earth" and the bit less accurate english.It is obvious that he made good use of his stay in Germany.Right now he is the best traducer of Billy`s work available without any doubt. I know i can help little with the translations, but i will help anyway doing anything else according to my abilities/capabilities... Regards.... | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 455 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Forum The recent plane crash in Indonesia with 5 Australians killed got me thinking about this. From the image of burning wreckage and lucky survivors and the injured in shock walking away from the wreckage with some being aided whilst others on their own. Why? What mysterious providence and chance as law still unrecognised dictates that some would survived whilst other perish in agony? Why do some people who have seemingly lived a righteous and honourable life in decency and with much generosity meet with early death whilst the degenerate scumbags responsible for many atrocities live a very full and comfortable life in luxury? Is being too good also too bad? I mean where does the irony start and end Have the good and the decent set off a chain reaction of causes that greatly disturbed the equalibrium of Creation that warranted a punishing reaction to set the balance back again? If evil is just as much good as good is just as much evil then at a moleculer level, there is no such thing as evil or good. According to the Creational justice, we humanity is judged as a whole. If politicians misbehave in office, it's not the sole crime of his act alone but the fault also lies with the collective body of people who have entrusted the responsibility to this scumbag. The fault also lies with the general population whose values have degenerated to the point where unjust condition prevails by the merit of the dominant thoughts arising from them who inadvertently set those conditions by how they behave. The fault lies in not setting the ideal conditions within themselves so that love, peace, harmony and freedom reigns within and expressed without. Maybe this is why if the collective body of people lead a fractured alienated lives, with too many differences that bars them from ever coming together as a whole, NO WONDER people cannot move in unisons to bring about a positive change. It always leads to selfish concerns and self profit that seems to be the impetus to action but the most biggest hurdle towards progress. I don't know why the people who have died in the plane crash died and not the other passengers but one thing is certain, the plane crash is a reminder of the cruel judgement brought upon the Indonesians themselves through lax aviation laws that put profit above passengers safety through cutting costs, unprofessional maintenance carried out by semi qualified technicians and lack of pilot ongoing training. Whatever we do, wherever we do it and with whomever we do it with, judgement follows because the Creation's presence is nearer to the human being than his own breath. cheers Matt | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1102 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Matt, I am wondering very much about this topic heading today. Today one of my co-workers died in an auto collision. I have been thinking of all the alternate things that could have been done to possibly prevent this from happening. In the final analysis, I don't know whether to think when it's your time, it's your time, or too think this could have been prevented. The hard part is knowing this person for many years, and now all of a sudden they are not there, no goodby's..they just simply don't exist any longer in a way that we formerly knew them...I guess I am just trying to make sense of this, and processing my feelings and thoughts..as spiritual as we try to be,,,,we are still physical creatures for now with a finite reality in the physical world..its tough being human Scott | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 457 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Scott I don't know what it is about the composition of the words written by you Scott, all of a sudden this overwhelming sense of grief and much sadness has befallen me. I don't have the gall to pretend to understand Scott other than to say in your sadness I hope the life of the college you shared the special moments with will indelibly live on in your memory, of the special moments of comraderie, of the jokes shared, of the discussions exchanged about family and future aspirations, of shared interests but most important of all, the shared being of one another that no price in the world could be attached to. I hope that in grief, the joys of laughters shared will be remembered along with his legacies. Stay strong for him Scott for in remembering him he lives on to smile another day. with much empathy from Matt | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 289 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey matt, you ever hear of the expression that life is like a game of chess? i think that truly when we look at our place in this universe, we are used as pawns, just look at what the so called higher evolved races did to our earth human ancestors and before that. perhaps creation i slike a chess player, we as humans in our level of evolution are pawns, used to allow the king, or ultimatley the chess player, victory (a.k.a. to reach his/her goal). lets say if i was a scumbag and i see 10 people die before my eyes. there is a chance that later in life i would change for the better and realize my mistakes, ... then the true pain and suffering for me would begin, and the negative energy would come back on me, with positive benefits. life is going from negative to positive until we find harmony (neutrality). life is multi dimensional, so should a goal have many purposes, some greater and more encompassing than others. like a killer that murders a prostitute, left un noticed in the big city, but after he/she kills 1000 prostitutes, people begin to show concern and interest. if we could figure out all the reasons why this and that happens, we would naturaly try to prevent it, but due to cause and effect, somethings cant be prevented. obviously if this is creations doing (punishing etc) there has to be a great and love-based reason and logic behind this. what seems like a mountain to an ant, is nothing but a grain of sand. us humans can only think like humans, the puzzle in it's entire form is always greater than a single piece. just some thoughts. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1103 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Matt, You have answered your own question (with much empathy)..thank you for your kind words...it will take some time, but talking about it, is helping... Sincerely Scott | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 458 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Scott ; I hope you you find peace over the loss of your friend . I'm certain he was better for having you as a friend . Take Good Care , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 175 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi there Peter, I just wanted to add one thing to what you said. Creation does not punish anyone. In fact Creation does nothing, according to Billy, but set the laws/rules at the beginning of our universe's origin, and it creates new spirit forms. Therefore, again according to Billy, Creation does not interfere in ANY way in our lives. If there is hardship, then of course it is only due to cause and effect, even if sometimes it seems unfair. The "fairness" is that all of the rules of nature and Creation apply equally at all times to everyone everywhere. Just my two cents worth... | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 461 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hello Peter Well Peter I appreciate your point of view as this gift of life holds too many mysteries that I for one will remain ever more so awed by the sheer complexity and the realization that I will not be able to fathom much of in this short existence. I gather that as they say 'there is a reason for everything' and regretably I must remain content on that note without actually knowing the reasons why of so many things that are happening around me. Logic is it's dictate and it dictates logically Sometimes even logic seems illogical Anyway life is definitely a mystery and the fat lady hasn't sung yet and so as they say 'the show must go on'. cheers Matt | ||
Arie Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 02-2006 |
Scotty Man, I am sorry for your loss and I join other members involved in this conversation with deepest sympathy. I have found however that it needn't be and "either" "or" thing --- why not "when it's your time, it's your time" AND "this could have been prevented". The operative word being "AND". I reckon both are acceptable thoughts and in fact both are true and helpful in the grieving process - no need to choose one OR the other, perhaps embrace both. In my experience with death, a softening feeling takes place when I have embraced both possibilities. Warmest regards and may wisdom and the Spirit Of Creation be with you, his loved ones and us all. Salome, Arie | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1104 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thank you everyone | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 186 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Scott, One thing that always comes to mind at a time such as the death of your long time friend or a close relative is... If it were you that died, you would not want your friends to be too distraught about your death... You would want them to be happy. Another thing is that the imprints your friend left on your mind will be with you throughout this life and will come up from time to time, reminding you of that friend or relative. Kind of reassuring and comforting yet mysterious and disconcerting. There is a group called compassionate friends in almost every city in the US that meets to discuss in a theraputic way what you have... rather than what you feel you might have lost. Look it up, in your town... it's sort of like an AA meeting for the bereaved where people talk about their experiences and show you just how bad it can be in regards to others. http://www.compassionatefriends.org/ Have not used their services before and it is prudent to keep what Billy and the Plejaren have taught us in mind... A friend who lost his three year old in a pool when he turned his back for a split second and thought his son ran into the house said it helped him emmensely talking to others in his situation. We live again and again so that (not provable at this time) may provide some peace... Your friend would probably not want you to suffer in any way due to his "¿untimely?" death. He would want you to remember what you learned and experienced by being friends... Certain aspects of Creation are not known to us and we have to respect that. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 749 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... Well, "If the Universe(Creation) is really fair with each life?.... The Universe or CREATION known to us here, is More than fair with each and everyone's life. It is what we individuals make of life. But of course, when One is taken away from our daily circle, One becomes distressed. Which is a very Human Trait. And as the cliche goes:"When your time is up....your time is up...and it is time to go." But, why...be sad!? One's death is just another beginning to another reincarnation, and we will meet again. We just have to let go...of this Material Aspect of life, when One has passed away. As Billy had mentioned many times: Not to occupy One's self with the Material Aspects of life. Which than makes a departure from a deceased individual even more difficult...and sad! That IS WHY....One should Seek TRUE Spiritual Awareness/Consciousness..and Knowledge, and become: KNOWING. See a Death of a loved one...from a Spiritual point of view: KNOWING the individual whom is deceased, has projected him/herself with Creation, within the realm of the Beyond. And may take his/her deserved 'rest-periode' and evaluate his/her live experiences; amongst others: One's life existence with One's Collective family and friends and so forth....etc. With the above mentioned attitude, One...can be at rest within One's self. KNOWING, such individual is in the hands of CREATION: Itself! Back into the UR Source of all Created Creatures, and beyond. What a Splendor thought this is: the individual in fusion within it's CREATOR - CREATION! Thus, THANKS to Creation/Universe...for us human beings to once again meet each other in future live times: over and over and over...., until we transcend to Pure Spirit-format in the Collective(WE)...where we will STILL MEET AGAIN! We will..thus, NEVER..leave eachother/ourselves, from our eyesight! Grandiose is CREATION...Creator of All Creations, within ALL Existence! May the Body Rest is Peace, and may the Spirit Evolve To PERFECTION! I thank CREATION/Universe...for my Existence! And 'Eternal Life'....and Beyond! "We'll meet again, don't where...don't know when".....as once was sung.....  Just some loose change..... Edward. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 467 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Edward Hi Edward As much as I agree with you, there is still something left wanting. Although in the traditions of the spiritual truths, one should not wallow in one's sadness and grief yet we are still the mortal human beings with our own frailties, weaknesses and qualities that makes us uniquely human. That includes the right to be happy as well as to be sad. Just as it'll be out of place for someone to laugh and feel joy at the sight of a dying person in pain, it is also the case for someone to feel disappointed and sad upon hearing the good news that one of their close family member has been cured of terminal illness. What makes us uniquely who we are and what we are is all that we manifest as a human figure endowed with the diverse arrays of Creationally given qualities. To laugh with joy, to grieve for a loved one who has passed to the beyond, to feel the excitement and enthusiasm in the anticipation of setting out on a life changing adventure, to cry out in pain, to feel incredulity at the sight of unrighteousness, evil, wrongdoing, hateful acts, injustice, contemptuous act against the law and life, to feel the awe and majesty of the grand colossal power, act, intelligence, manifestations and all things created by Creation. As much as we should not forget out ur-source, we should also never forget that we are still human beings, for if Creation has endowed us with such qualities of emotions and feelings, then its only right that we express them where its appropriate without suppressing the vital part of our nature within logic. So truly the qualities to feel sadness is a vital part of the essence of our psychological makeup as much as our having 5 fingers and toes. In as much as the spiritual aspect and view is vital, we cannot do so without our physical wrap that must exist in concert with what is spiritual and they must both work in tandem to derive what is of the spiritual through the vehicle of our physical being and body. Can you imagine a scene in a funeral of a parent where none of the children is crying with genuine feeling of loss, sadness and grief. The impudent apathy, the coldhearted act of a child in rebellion even to the last breath of their parent for whatever reason and the unremorseful act of non-sympathy, an act so prevalently pervasive in our current times so devoid of humaneness and spirituality. Some would contend that just because a child does not cry for their parents death doesn't mean they don't care but I dare ask "have they cared enough'? So truly I have to disagree with your statement that "why feel sadness when we are all going to reincarnate and meet again" This statement just doesn't do it for me Ed as it seems to be a permission to deny an aspect of our nature that is integral part our essence. All emotions I think is crucial and have its place in its right dose as we form the rich diverse arrays of earthly material experiences through them that the spirit requires for it to learn and evolve. with much respect Matt | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 195 Registered: 10-2005 |
Excellent and very inspiring Edward. The laws of cause and effect... Let rule the highest creative forces... | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 196 Registered: 10-2005 |
Scott, please put where appropriate or delete if you feel it is necessary... Dyson wishes not to use regular email with me and I feel a little uncomfortable about airing dirty laundry in public. Dear Dyson, Regarding post http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/3490.html?1173922141in the Meditation section. My statement: The Truth never requires propping up: Prop as in a movie prop is a "figment". My intention was the truth stands on it's own and NEVER requires justification. The succession of the prophets (speculation… not provable) was incorrect because I added "Galileo" and Mark so graciously told me it was a rumor... Okay, I learned from Mark. It is a rumor. I was wrong and he corrected me... no problem. As to being afraid of the truth, not true. I SEEK the truth and am never afraid of Truth in any way, shape or form... Tell me the truth Dyson, what's really bugging you? You think of me as an enemy, I think of you as a brother, always have, always will. Two translations from the Introduction to the Spiritual Teachings 1975: Einführung in die Geisteslehre 1975 Line 202. Generally, the lives of those who are thinking falsely, who are led astray and are depending upon religions, are full of evil suggestions, full of imaginary concepts, false teachings and delusional assumptions. Line 203. The only possibility and the only means to overcome those damages is to fundamentally recognize the truths which abolish the human figments, to adhere to them and to let rule the highest creative spiritual forces. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 568 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Randy, If you still have to ask what's bugging me, then you are not paying attention. I’ve already told you again and again and again. Here it is yet again, this time in public: 1.) You do not pay attention 2.) You try to teach, publicly, on this and other forums, before you have learned, but doing so in such a way that people are led to believe that you know what you are talking about. 3.) Due to the above, you mislead people. 4.) Someone who has read and understood the material has to try to correct you, and if I don't do it, it’s rarely done. This leads to your misinformation being spread far and wide. 5.) This complicates my task and takes time from other important work like translating and exposing the OTO, etc., when people who have been misled by you write to me with their confused Arenaisms, requesting clarification from me. 6.) You are an enemy of truth, who seems intent on making me spend time with you when I have spent much more time with your personal matters regarding the Meier material than any other single individual in all the years I've been at it. Please give me a break. You bombarded me with many many many very very very long private emails, asking dozens of questions and making erroneous assumption, which you can answer and correct for yourself if you just read the material. You included embarrassingly personal and inappropriately intimate details of your personal history. You did this to the point that I had to BEG you (several times!) to stop, and now you are doing the equivalent here. Please please don't. I have a life to lead, Randy. It is terribly selfish of you to demand so much time of me. 7.) Your pompous and sado-masochistic, self-indulgent sophistry makes my flesh crawl. That's what's bugging me. I was not referring to Galileo, on the PAR list, I was referring to your more recent and different errors of succession on this list. Please explain your above excerpts from contact 10. Are you referring to me or yourself? Peace in wisdom, Dyson | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hector: "....And Dyson, i don't know how he does it, but his translations are damn accurate.His excellent command of the english language, allow him to bridge the gap between "the most expressive/capable language on earth" and the bit less accurate english.It is obvious that he made good use of his stay in Germany.Right now he is the best traducer of Billy`s work available without any doubt." Hi Hector, I agree (even though I don't speak german myself and can't compare/judge if it is ), but I'm just glad we have a competent person with a comprehensive knowledge of the Meier material who is generously willing to do that for us english speakers! Much appreciated Dyson! | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 569 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Scott, (et al), Vivienne and I wanted to express – albeit belatedly – our empathy regarding your mourning of your recently and suddenly deceased friend from work. These things are never easy to come to terms with, and I speak from some personal experience. I had to (eventually) come to terms with the loss of several of my fellow teenage military buddies who returned to their parents from Viet Nam in black plastic bags. And also the sudden and utterly unexpected death of my elder sister who, in her prime, announced one day that she had a sudden terrible headache and literally dropped dead on the spot of a massive brain hemorrhage. I wish I’d known Billy’s teachings then. And I also wish somebody else who also knows them might more often wade in here on this FIGU discussion board and try to correct the false religious teachings which are nothing but temporarily soothing children’s stories which ultimately have the opposite effect to that which is intended by your fellow friends here who are trying to help, but have not yet learned the renewed teachings which do help when understood. Billy teaches us that the people he calls the powerful ones (who I call the Powers-That-Be) have several tools to exploit and enslave us, but their weapon of choice is the exploitation of our ignorance (and subsequent fear) of death. He also teaches that the Earth humans’ greatest unlearned lesson is that of “Werden und Vergehen” – figuratively “coming into being and passing away.” He has written entire books on the subject and tells us that – far from avoiding the topic, as counseled by religions – we should actually spend a great deal of our time thinking about death. Death is described as “liberation” from the bonds of space-time and the constraints of our transient psyches – being our personalities, character, personal pronoun, or – in Freudian terms, our super-ego, ego and id – in other words, who “we” are – the name we call ourselves, the person we represent in this incarnation. This is important. This person, enlivened temporarily by Creation, does indeed die, and is – at the time of death – dissolved completely into pure fine-matter creational energy as another tiny drop in the unimaginably great ocean of Creational energy. We (you and me and the rest of us here) do not “come back”. When our spirit-form reincarnates, it does so in a completely new and different body/persona which has no conscious memory of previous incarnations. That only happens further along the path of spiritual evolution for the vast majority of us. And our spirit only carries over the pure completely logical knowledge, love/wisdom we have gained from previous lives. We – sadly – will never “meet again”. That is a false religious teaching, so it behooves us to make the most of it this time around. (Although, our spirit forms do come together again in some circumstances.) Learn and love as much as you can. Furthermore, although of course no good person wants anybody to be sad, Billy teaches that the religious teachings are particularly cruel because they tell grieving survivors not to be sad, or that the deceased are in a better place or wouldn’t want us to mourn. But this goes against the creational natural law which brings us naturally to sadness and then, that grief – as long as it does not degenerate to something chronic or exaggerated – can be a powerful aid in our spiritual evolution and consciousness-related knowledge. As Billy reminds us, we can recognize these precious laws of Creation by observing nature, and grief is such a natural and necessary part of life that even the higher instinct-driven (as opposed to reason-driven) animals like elephants, some dogs and the anthropoidal apes grieve. It is natural, and Creation does nothing – however mysterious it may seem to us – without ineffable wisdom/love, justice and righteousness. Our reasonable logic alone can prove this to us. Nobody can “prove” anything to anybody. Sometimes we must allow ourselves to experience pain and sadness in order to go with Creation’s sacred (ordered) flow, which ALONE leads to joy, peace, freedom, etc. It is natural and necessary that there is positive and negative in life and this should be acknowledged, but we must strive to convert the negative to positive and maintain a neutral-positive outlook without the positive degenerating to what is termed positive degeneration. But at the same time sadness must not turn into an indulgence. Mourning is just an opportunity to understand and come to terms with the change that has taken place. Billy also teaches us that pain – if dealt with correctly – is the greatest promoter of spiritual evolution and he who has never experienced hell cannot ever appreciate heaven. He says that hardship is our best teaching companion and in order to forward our evolution we should not avoid it in favor of the easy road. Salome, Dyson This is also worth a re-read: http://www.figu.org/cgi-bin/search/us/search.pl?q=grief&showurl=%2Ffigu%2Fbulletin%2Fno36_excerpt_7.htm | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 468 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Dyson and Randy Gentlemen, I as a fellow forum member here with a vested interest as with all other dear forum members in learning through participation, as well as sharing, exchanging and opining to the best of our knowledge at present for peer corrections, constructive criticism, amendment and for receival of other forum members insights, unique understanding and realisation to test our own level of knowledge and views, I thereby take no sides to anyone but must through necessity in light of the exchanges going on between you two gentlemen, must take a stand for the sake of the spiritual truth as uncorruptly taught by Billy and the plejarens. So on that note Randy I respect that just as much as I have respect for you as a person I hope that you grant me the same courtesy and not be offended by my sharing of my thoughts however critical it may sound. I think what Dyson is trying to convey as much as it sounds unrelentingly harsh and may even to you have caused you some loss of face and public humiliation is that we cannot set ourselves aloft and derive some form of satisfaction from an out of proportion sense of our level of knowledge of the genuine spiritual matters that are infinitely complex and time intensive to the point where we really cannot underestimate the importance of staying modest in our understanding of them and why it's necessary that no matter how much time spent on studying them, we will by the sheer condition of our own limitations, remain a life long student. Therefore the real and only teachers qualified to teach is Billy and the Plejarens. So it may appear self conceited and trite for anyone to assume themselves that knowledgeable enough to teach when they aren't knowledgeable themselves. This has a danger as Dyson pointed out of distorting the clear truth uncorrupted which must at all cost be avoided in light of the evil consequences since ancient times of what the catastrophic effects it would have if we don't remain vigilant. As you know we are suffering dearly because of the corruption of the truth of Creation that branched out into multitude of hell raising religions all over the world. I think its best that as students of Creational spiritual teachings, in regards to trying to inform or convey our knowledge of what we've learnt so far is to just say in line of 'I think this is what its said in this and this contact notes' or 'I think billy said this and that' or ' from this contact notes, it was said' or 'In my experience of such and such'. I think you get the idea as there is nothing worse than some self conceited person revelling off as fact as if its self evidently correct of whatever is coming out of their mouths is truth and the only truth, not having enough self awareness that what they've said indicates how ignorant they are than how properly they are informed. Now I'm not accusing you of this Randy as maybe the only sin you may have committed is to have a misguided best of intentions but may have failed to see the limits in the level of your understanding of them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dyson, just as much as you are stalwart and the pillar of sustaining and supporting the truth to which your determination and level of will is greatly admired by all of us as a mentoring and helpful guide to us beginners please take this as a constructive criticism as you graciously will. In the intervening 20 odd months of my participation here, I have learned a great deal here but also from you Dyson. In light of what's at stake, I do understand where you are coming from Dyson but at some point I think you might have to let go. If billy had said one should not be continuously punished over and over again for one's mistakes, I think you'll have to take that leap of faith that although Randy may continue making them, he needs the opportunity to learn gradually of his intervening mistakes. I gather that the kind of response from you is warranted seeing as nobody including myself spoke up, nonetheless the discrepancies and the dissonance apparent when a post is not in line with the truth taught affords our ability to discriminate as we hold dear the advice that we need to search and think for ourselves compels our own level of alertness. Maybe it was due to misguided politeness in not speaking up but it necessitate that once you have made yourself clear Dyson, you also need to let go and allow that breathing space for Randy to come to terms and correct himself without you being on his back and cleaning after him. I cannot speak for everybody here but the reliant material we base our conclusions on isn't necessarily the opinions culled from this forum but what is hardbound or available from FIGU with the exception of your translations. So in conclusion, the literal symbolic act of correct and stern admonishment must give way to faith in one's fellow human being that he'll do the right thing by himself and also by others if he has finally comprehended the enormity and scope of the ramifications of error in judgement as well as continued ignorance on these important matters which in themselves have it's own consequences for the better or for worse. Just see it through Dyson with patience and forbearance not as agreeing with the wrongs but with the unconditional love for another that states unexpressedly that 'I'll believe in thee that no matter how many times they fall, with the strength of my belief and faith in their Creation given powers, they'll eventually come around and do the right thing'. Better chance with a fellow student of the teaching like Randy than the likes of ritzman, TX or Korff. Although he is somewhat misguided everything is in transition and so just as you don't criticize a child practising to become a professional tennis player why he isn't a professional now, the need for guidance and nurturing is paramount. cheers Dyson | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 176 Registered: 03-2004 |
To Dyson and to Randy: Hey guys, neither of you is perfect and you obviously disagree on things. This is a discussion forum for LEARNING not for arguing needlessly. If you both can't get along you should just not communicate with each other. Both of you, BE ADULTS AND DROP IT PLEASE. By the way, just like all of us Dyson HAS made mistakes in his understanding just like Randy. It is normal and NONE of us is above the other in worth, even if one's knowledge or ability is different. Just my two cents worth because I love this forum but I am personally sick of the arguing. I won't say anything else on this subject and I hope I haven't offended anyone but I am just being honest. Thomas | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 180 Registered: 03-2004 |
We do meet again Dyson, although not as the same personalities. At some point we all join together, and even before merging with Creation, as WE-FORMS in higher spirit levels such as Arahat Athersata and Petale. And don't forget that even if we don't keep our same personalities, we are already linked unbreakably with each other and with all of the rest of Creation... | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1110 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thanks Guys, It's been about one week since this event occurred, and the intensity and shock have for the most part passed somewhat. I noticed my mood and others has picked up, so too me is a good sign, that things are returning to some form of balance. It does make one think of death and how we each deal with it....I think in some sense death can be a welcome rest at the end of a difficult life, for others it may be something to fight against until the last breath...I don't have any conscious memories of my past life, as "I" won't have any memories of this life...it's odd how we define life, by being physical creatures, at this stage of evolution, for many "what you see is all there is", yet it seems there is more to this at some point perhaps we awaken for a moment and think of the vastness and unfathomable intelligence and love that has created everything that we can consciously perceive. We talk about Creation as if it is something aside from ourselves, but if we (me) could see, that it is something we are intimately connected to at every given moment, it might over time, give us an entirely different view of existance...thanks for listening.. Regards Scott | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 10-2006 |
We should remember, above all, this FIGU discussion forum is just an internet discussion forum, nothing else. What’s important are the Plejaran and Billy’s teachings as recorded in German and documented and safeguarded by the FIGU in their books. The opinions expressed here on this forum are just that…opinions. Everyone’s entitled to one. The Soviet Union collapsed mainly because they tried, and failed, to control all information in an information age. If controlling the information on this FIGU discussion forum was so important, wouldn’t Billy, Christian or other FIGU members monitor and censor it more closely? Of course they have bigger fish to fry, so if they don’t think controlling the info here is that important, why should we? Although I didn’t know any of the veteran posters on this forum, I have read many of their postings in the archives. But I think it’s a shame many of them no longer share their opinions here. People like Norm, Lonnie, JPLagasse, Savio, Mhurley, etc. I can only wonder if they were driven off by the heavy-handed criticism so prevalent here. Maybe we should all lighten up a bit. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1111 Registered: 12-1999 |
Jakes, I have been with this discussion forum since it became open to the public in late 1999. I will have to say the last two years, the trend has been somewhat downhill (IMO). What I mean by that is, that instead of discussing the various topics that have been presented, many people are continually discussing what someone else said, rather than trying to learn about a particular topic. In earlier times it seemed the discussions seemed to revolve more towards the spiritual teachings, but now it has become more political/WWW III/911 type of discussions. For instance one of the main contributors to the spiritual teachings Jacob Smits, whom is also a moderator, has mentioned more than once this trend and has lost interest in posting. I won't say I can vouch for some of the older members, but this also seems to be the case more or less. I have not seen the level of hostility on the other forums that I have seen here....Granted there have been some people who have deliberately tried to create dissent, and through time they have been eliminated. I approve many applications to the FIGU Forum weekly, but rarely do I see these people posting??....I am not sure of the reason for this, but it might be a result of some of the recent discussions....but that is just a guess....I also believe that some of the newer members are younger, and do not have much exposure to Billy and the Plejarens, so information which is available such as various books and booklets on the FIGU Website and others have not been read or studied. This from what I have observed tends to result in discussions of world events, which there are plenty of sources to read from. In addition, I think the essence of spiritual/material development has been lost to some extent, because people want instant answers, without having to work or even look for it, by clicking the mouse a few more clicks, or going to the mailbox and sending away for something. Regards Scott | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 04-2006 |
Thomas, Jakes and Scott, I wholeheartedly agree with each of your posts above. Good posts! | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 209 Registered: 04-2006 |
I agree with you Thomas, Jakes.This a discussion forum.Plain and simple.This is not a tool which was created in order to spread Geisteslehre/ the spirit teachings.It is a place where your interpretation of Geisteslehre and other topics can be confronted with other versions/views of the spiritual/ufo world.Controversy is welcomed, it improves our ability to judge/analyse/confront the truth. I you want to study the real Geisteslehre without interference, without being misguided, learn german and buy figu books.You will be rewarded.If you do not match those 2 requisites then just try to evolve on your own, which is entirely possible. To study Geisteslehre is not an ultimate condition to lead a decent life (I'm quoting the german forum). Geisteslehre is Billy's & the plejaren offering to earth mankind as a guide to understand many universal secrets.Evolution is absolutely possible without the spirit teachings. The key is effort, striving and willingness to learn from error & mistakes. Nobody here among the usual participants of this forum is consciously trying to sabotage/distort Billy's message.Many of us, I include myself, lack the necessary knowledge to explain the core of the Geisteslehre to others, but that does not impede us to express our views. Thanks you all | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Scott, Thank you for sharing your perspective. All your insights are valuable. Yes, I have seen the postings by Jacob (Phaethonsfire) discussing the spiritual information. Have to admit to even printing out some hard copies for easy reference (to the demise of the trees). In my opinion his postings were well received and the people were thirsting for more. It also seemed he was busy with school and other activities, which is understandable (studying to be a psychologist or psychiatrist). Hope all is going well for him. But you are right; things have turned towards materialistic/political/WWIII topics. There is a lot of anxiety about these times. Regrettably I am one of the guilty ones. But I hope Jacob, and others like him, might allow that there are still people interested in the spiritual teachings even though we don’t seem to express it. Maybe such people would even constitute a silent majority? Just hoping. Peace and best regards. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 06-2006 |
hello jakes and scott, just in regards to both your comments about the forum somewhat downhill spiral from spiritual related topics to materialistic/political/WWIII/911 related topics. But it was always going to be that way anyway. As soon as the forum opened the main area of focus and interests of discussions was always going to be on spiritual and ET related topics, then as soon as everyone had their fill on those two, or all general issues and questions were discussed and answered, then the main area of focus and interests was always going to go down to materialistic and world related problems. That was always going to happen. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 223 Registered: 07-2004 |
A ship without a captain will hardly find its planned destiny. I'm with Dyson, we are better served in our learnings when oversight is kept up and corrections are done without emotions throwing the ship off course. We all come here for our own reasons, but we were drawn here by the aroma of truth we haven't tasted in many lifetimes. Diluted truth, I'm tired of that. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Shawn, If anyone is the "captain" it's Billy, although I can see him cringing at the reference. And some day he will die. What then? Will someone rise to the top to become the new captain? I think not. I think the leadership will come from the Core Group of 49, for is that not their purpose? Peace and best regards. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 471 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hello I don't know about you fellas but in the end our lives are our own responsibility and nobody can and should be responsible for our lives except us. As much as it is helpful to have in our midst someone very knowledgeable to correct and to inform us where needed, it is a fact of life that the onus comes back onto ourselves to think each thoughts learnt, to form new concepts we barely understood, to analyse, dissect and deduct based on reason, what the underlying meaning of the passages and teachings really represent etc. The captain of the ship in which the rudder is steered is your own inner guide, the inner voice within that unperturbedly observes every move you make. The inner subjective self that guides you through your conscience, which tells you whether your thoughts and actions are correct or false. I think it is this voice that should not be replaced by any external perceived authority figure which Billy and the plejarens have strongly condemned where idolization of religious GOD figure have encroached the power of self determination of each individual that have foregone their rights and responsibilities in delusion, thus having lost themselves. Fellas as much as life is harsh, the beauty about fending for yourself is that the rewards are much greater. In the end we must learn to stand on our own two feet and be our own mentoring guide and voice of reason. This way we would have achieved what the intended lessons of the spiritual teachings wanted us to learn and that is genuine FREEDOM. I take nothing away from those who want to live and help live like Dyson (& Vivienne), Jacob, Scott, Christian, Mark, and all other dear forum members who have indelibly left their mark here however great or small because in the end, every contribution counts. cheers Matt | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 224 Registered: 07-2004 |
Jakes, I'm referring to this discussion board regarding Dyson, in my last statement. Of course Billy is the most knowledgeable spiritual being here, and is by nature the one who should be guiding our planet. Billy's time is better spent in other areas of the mission than our section of the figu forum. The pure effort and diligence displayed by Dyson earns his unacknowledged position as the best person to help in our growing knowledge at THIS SITE. If you have someone with a better credential for this needed aspect we're all ears. Again, I meant just this site. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 750 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Rarena and Thomas..... Yes, you both have The Concept....of what I posted! You Got The POINT! YOU BOTH...are THINKING...Further/Beyond...than what is written! Very good Quality...in a Human being! If One has Studied The Teachings Of The Spirit...One would automatically....Comprehend...my point. It seems, that others can NOT Comprehend it in such Simple spoken language...as I have noticed. As Billy did once say, that words should be in Simplicity; and myself:...has more Value...than words...- Lost In A Maze Of Words Of Ignorance. My posting can indeed be a 'riddle' to those in Ignorance, whom 'Judge' only with BIG WORDS, instead of 'Simplicity'! Thank you for the flowers... Edward. | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Shawn, I wasn’t aware of the salient facts until Scott’s post# 1116, and I’m sure you didn’t mean to slight him. As you say, some have anointed Dyson captain of the forum members, but that’s like Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest being the captain of the mental patients. Jack's character (McMurphy) was still one of the patients. Scott’s not. He’s a FIGU passive member and the only forum moderator we have. As such he has an unending responsibility for which he deserves much credit. The rest of us can take it or leave it. Peace and best regards. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 01-2006 |
Jakes - "As you say, some have anointed Dyson captain of the forum members, but that’s like Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest being the captain of the mental patients." Jakes thats shows how much intelligence and maturity have by saying that crap. What he does is called "helping others" with his knowledge of the meier material, but you see it in another way. Ask yourself why you percieve it like that. | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 08-2006 |
Jakes, I take offense to you calling me (and others) a mental patient. Scott, You are appreciated here. Dyson, Since you seem to be under attack from many places these days, I'm sending you an extra blanket of protection,,,you should start feeling the warmth anytime now. Like I've said before, I appreciate you & V and all your efforts and can't wait to see what you uncover for us next. I suppose my spirit is feeling it's Wheaties today, just so ya know, "I got your back". Love and PEACE to all from Texas,,,, Leann | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Tony, You asked for my perspective, so here it is. The way I see it, Scott was reaching out with four possible solutions to Dyson’s exhortations for a more rigorous approach to the “truth” on this forum. Of course it’s his prerogative, but Dyson rejected them all, did he not? Some people are team players, others are lone wolves. That’s fine. So as we continue with the status quo, it may be a bumpy ride. Hello Leann, Of course I didn't mean to offend you or anyone else here with my figure of speech. If offended, I sincerely apologize. Peace and best regards. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 591 Registered: 03-2004 |
DEAR Leann! "you should start feeling the warmth anytime now" So YOU’RE doing it! Please STOP! We are only three weeks out of summer on the same distance from the equator as the Gulf (of Mexico) Coast. It’s still 30C (86F) at almost 5PM and I’m lathed in sweat! SEND SOME COOL! ;-) But thanks heaps for the good vibes, Leann. Much appreciated. Don’t worry about me. I require the resistance, and the forum needs a good airing out from time to time, too. :-) It happens cyclically, like volcanism, or malaria. ;-) Love from Australia! Dyson (& Vivienne) | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 476 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Edward Well in the spirit of genuine helpfulness Edward, could you please dumb down for us ignorant people as you surmised and explain exactly what the eloquent spiritual message you deemed us ignorant people to have sorely misunderstood about your message in the simplest of language. Thanks Matt | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 250 Registered: 06-2005 |
HEllo fellow humans, I usually keep out of such nonsense posts as of lately but this time I've had it! Those who cannot understand Dyson's tireless efforts please do your homework repeatedly before judging and then have a break and re read the posts to get accustomed to the weight and importance of his work. Print it out and read it quietly then listen to your own logic, it will certainly wake you up. As for me my life now makes sense because I understand the foundations of politics and also how stupid some of us choose to be. Have you visited his website yet? if so maybe you can contemplate a new beginning now, hopefully for the better. Scott, we couln't be here without you your efforts are immesurable and a bedrock for us all still struggling to come to terms with the importance of it all so thank you also very much for your perseverence and patience and strength. May we continue learning and evolving because future generations need our knowledge support and wisdom, in Peace Bianca | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 478 Registered: 07-2005 |
Jakes Dunno what your intended insinuation was with the example you've given Jakes but it appear disrespectful to say the least. Dyson has earned our respect for the right reasons but just as no two person is alike, the differences of opinion is as natural as our endowed features and freedom to express ourselves should be encouraged without resorting to derision just because there is perceived disagreements. Its definitely not about factional partisan side taking nor are we at war with each other. All of us are in the process of searching for the light and we are in the right place, what better way to sort our differences in the pursuit of peace, love, harmony and freedom rather than trying to make an ego driven point. The road to knowledge definitely is rough and strewn with harsh rocky terrain but lets help each other rather than block each other. cheers Matt | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 08-2006 |
Jakes, Apology accepted. Dyson, I am sending you good vibes. Not because of this forum, those of us here are good hearted. It's the controversy you stir up on your website that worries me. Some crackpot down there may go "postal" as we say here. I know you can take care of yourself, but it never hurts to have that extra layer of good vibes hangin' over ya. I'm sure Billy doesn't need any help either, but I send him some too. Now for a question....does anyone know why some of the prophets had Earth fathers and some had ET fathers? I refer to Gabriel and I believe it was "Kretan the Plejaren" was Enoch's father. Thanks for being,,,, Leann | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Edward, You say, in post No. 749 "As Billy had mentioned many times: Not to occupy One's self with the Material Aspects of life." I do not recall Billy saying this ever, can you please provide the quote. Jmmanuel said the following, TJ 6:50, "Therefore, you should care for the wisdom and knowledge of your spirit, and take care that you do not suffer from lack of food, drink and clothing." You say, "As Billy did once say, that words should be in Simplicity..." Again, please provide the quote. Also, how can a person judge, if at all, with "'simplicity'" as it requires at least some mental acuteness. Regards Adam | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 109 Registered: 06-2006 |
Jakes, I don't know why you feel like that about what Dyson is doing. I think it might help if you reread Matt's simple but very thought provoking number 91 post again that he posted recently in another section. You might have missed reading it, but I don't know how you could have because it made a massive THUD as it came crashing down which shook the forum and lots of people's opinion in how they see the matter. "Dyson.....As said before I welcome your clarifications, but you are noone's keeper on this list." Well I think for everyones benefit that someone out of all of us lot here needs to be a keeper of the truth of the spiritual teachings. There needs to be because people are regularly going off track with their statements and views. Billy can't do it, nor Jacob, and Scott can't do it either because he doesn't know German language and read Billys books. So who's it going to be? Dyson is certainly capable of doing it, and whats more is that he has been generous enough to have been doing it for us so far too. And his been doing a very good job of it too, always referring back to Figu material whenever he corrects someone - the proper way it should be done. I'm happy to keep it that way, and I am also very glad that Dyson has somewhat unofficially taken it upon himself to kindly do that for us. I hope he continues. Kingman just posted something in another section which pretty much sums up perfectly the point of what I am trying to say here. "A ship without a captain will hardly find its planned destiny. I'm with Dyson, we are better served in our learnings when oversight is kept up and corrections are done without emotions throwing the ship off course. We all come here for our own reasons, but we were drawn here by the aroma of truth we haven't tasted in many lifetimes. Diluted truth, I'm tired of that." http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/1180.html?1174293683 | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 201 Registered: 10-2005 |
Adam, Why would a person want to judge? Edward, Between the lines you spoke volumes! Another point of view revealed! Thanks. | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 10-2006 |
Randy, Good, only 21 words this post. Now you're starting to fall in line.  | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 471 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Randy ; Judgement on the part of human beings is an inherent right . Religions have made judgement a taboo , probably to make the indiscretions of their clergy easier to forget . But people will always judge , looking at it logically , what else do we have to base choices on ? "Judge not lest you be judged " being the axiom that we all grew up with , must have some reasonable applications , such as , if you start pointing the finger at someone , they can scrutinize you in the same measure , and maybe more . Judgement in itself is not too descriptive . In Adam's post , it was in reference to judging what is or isn't simple . Even a cook has to judge what food to buy based on freshness . It's still judgement . Kind Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Mark, I am sure many enslaved religious persons grew up with the phrase "judge not lest you be judged" however this corresponds to falseness. It is another example of how the true teachings have been blatantly and unashamedly falsified. This statement is effectively saying, "don't judge in fear that you will be judged". As you can see, another attempt by the powers that shouldn't be to enslave human beings in a fear-based mindset. You can find the following truthful quotes concerning judgment in the article "Torture and Death Penalty" by Billy. "Judge not that you shall not be judged" and "For with what measure you judge, with that very measure you shall also be judged." I hope you can see from this example both how easy it is corrupt the truth into falsehood and also how important it is to critically think about each word and sentence to gain a clear knowledge and understanding. Incidentally, Chapter 7 of The Talmud of Jmmanuel concerns judgment if you feel like reading or re-reading it. You ask, "what else do we have to base choices on ?" The timeless laws and directives of Creation. My post was not in reference to judging what is or isn't simple, but that it requires critical thinking to judge not simplicity. Regards Adam | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 202 Registered: 10-2005 |
Thanks for the info Mark and Adam... really very concise and informative... appreciate it. Adam, do not remember the exact location of Billy's statement regarding adversion to the material, but have read that as well... TJ Chapter 7... okay... | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 472 Registered: 06-2000 |
Your'e welcome , Randy , and I hope that others will find some references to post here . No worries about that , I'm sure . Salome , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 756 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Marc and Rarena..... Thank you both for your WISE input... Very true Rarena. Billy is our Spiritual Teacher, and he brings us - The Spiritual Teachings(The Teachings of The Spirit) -....and NOT the Material Teachings(The Teachings of Materialism), not!? And whom ever wants to attain Material Materialism, has the Freedom to do so. That is up to the individual....him/herself. And as Billy, like Jmmanuel mentioned: that One should attain in One's life what is needed; no more...no less; but....in a most 'Simplistic' manner. When One is in a State of Materialism, One is in a totally different state of being! In a totally different 'Frequency', if you will. Just as, when One is in the Spiritual Seeking mode, One is also...in another frequency: a much Higher Frequency, then when One in the Materialism mode. And this distinction, must be made Clear. Thus, those whom have studied the Spiritual Teachings thoroughly, can/would indeed Comprehend....this Fact of Truth..at first hand, as taught by our dear beloved Billy. Edward. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 615 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Edward, You wrote, “And as Billy, like Jmmanuel mentioned: that One should attain in One's life what is needed; no more...no less; but....in a most 'Simplistic' manner.” I think you meant simply “simple”. :-) “Simplistic” means to reduce something to absurdity, or to “over-simplify”. Simplism (noun) (ca. 1882): the act or an instance of oversimplifying; especially: the reduction of a problem to false simplicity by ignoring complicating factors. (Merriam-Webster) Many of Billy’s writings are quite complicated, conveying very complex ideas and intricate teachings. His sentences are very long and convoluted, the words he uses are often long and obscure, and his books are many and thick. I think he would not have had to write so very much (24,000 pages) if all he had to say could be expressed any more simply. But, yes indeed. A simple life is best. We live in a one-room house with a wood stove in a forest clearing with no indoor toilet and no washing-machine, refrigerator, etc. and it is wonderful to live so simply and so close to nature. The universe has been very fair to MY life! I spent my first 27 years in big cities in the USA, Europe and Australia, so I speak from personal experience about the endless joys of Creation’s beauty, and how it compares to the ugly works of man. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 758 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All..... I think Commandment 10 is good reference and speaks...Loud words, not? 10. You shall not greedily covet material wealth and your neighbor's possessions. This truely, fits in Jmmanuel's and Billy's Spiritual Teachings...of Wisdom...as I mentioned in a previous posting. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 759 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dyson.... Well, in Dutch...as far as I have come across in dictionaries, and know of: we speak of Simplistic, as being - very, to very simple(over exaggerated Simple) -, thus, what I was/am referring to. Edward. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 488 Registered: 07-2005 |
Gee Dyson what do you eat for breakfast,lunch and dinner :-) cheers Matt | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 477 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Dyson ; That's an interesting lifestyle , and I agree with the idea that less is more . We could all learn something from you about living that way especially considering the changes that will come to us all in the near future . Maybe a new topic could be created with survivalist ideas . Kind Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 620 Registered: 03-2004 |
Well, Matt, put it this way. Once my dentist remarked to me that my teeth were worn down like someone’s from the third world. He went on to say, “You know, Dyson, in this day and age nobody has any excuses for not eating a lot of heavily processed foods.” (He is an overweight diabetic with a host of stress-related diseases. I’m never sick.) I think that the universe really is fair with each life, but only if you consider “life” in the sense that it is a looooong string of reincarnations. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Dave New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hello all May i please thank Scott the Moderator for allowing me to become a member of the group and Secondly please concider that i have never used a discussion forum before so i may make some mistakes and therefore would be gratefull for assistance. I have recently "bumped" into the Billy Meier web site while looking for Truth! and WOW!!!!!!!!!!!. There has been for many years in my life this "Calling" or "Urge" for me to find the answers that i think all responsible people ask themselves. In my search i have read and studied the Bible and related history.The Koran,the Book of Mormon and looked through Hinduism, but nothing has touched me as much as Billy Meier, in fact i always suspected that Alien visitations where involved and to my suprise and absoulte amazement i find it here. I have been looking through the question and answers from Billy with delight,some of the questions are tough and so are the answers but the "feel" is right and as with all the information that i have read and studied i am looking at it as a "skeptic" in relationship to the fact that i have been let down so many times before.But i don't think that is a bad thing to do when searching for the "Truth" in a honest to yourself way. In the questions to Billy there are alot of spiritual questions and i haven't come across one in which i think clearly answers one particular aspect(i haven't looked at all the questions as yet as there are 100,s)and that is one of the Spiritual Meetings that i have attended there is a "Medium" who stands at the front of the congregation say to individuals for example " I have this little old lady here with me called Hilda who is holding a wooden coal bucket etc.The fact is that i have tried to prove that the "Medium" is a charlatan by thinking that it is a "Plant" in the audience but a particular "Medium"came to me and was told my name decribed my mother and mentioned things that only i knew for example other relatives that had died. My question is who was he talking to and how did he get this information which was not given to him by myself or indeed anybody else. If some one knows this answer i would be indeed grateful of if you know if the answer is in the question section point it out to me i would be most appriciated best wishes to you all. Dave Hi Dave, Welcome to the FIGU Forum. I don't know if that particular question has been asked before. From what I know, mediums are not in contact with the "other" side, because few if any people on this planet are capable of doing so. She possibly could be picking up information from your material sub-conscious plus throwing in a little of her own words. You may consider when the next round of "Questions to Billy Answered" is open to post your question to Billy. It is in the "Mission" topic heading. Good Luck Scott | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 700 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Dave, and welcome! Nice to have you on board. Evidently some people CAN actually read minds (ESP) but most of these people apparently use other more prosaic means to do what they do. (Some have your pocket picked so your personal details can be read, and then replace your wallet!) But all "paranormal" things are ruthlessly suppressed by those in power, so that they remain in power, but the truth does leak out a bit. Like for instance: www.gaiaguys.net/pa2000.pdf It's a proper scientific paper proving that Earth humans can see about 4 seconds into the future. Enjoy your journey, Dave! Cheers! Dyson (Check out www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm ) | ||
Dave New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2007 |
Dear Dyson Thanks for a possible answer and will check out gaiaguys. I totally agree that we as a people are suppressed by others to be controlled by them and we are experiencing "1984" infact where i live in England we have now got CCTV with Speakers so that we can be given information whilst walking down the street. I believe that information such as this on the internet must be protected at all costs as it is the only way that "Neccasary" information can get through to people like myself.The internet is the only media i feel suporting or publishing the whole truth. Many thanks for your input and i'm sure that we will speak again so. best wishes Dave | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 262 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Matt, A little something about Life maybe this will trigger some thoughts for you to contemplate: I have been practicing my Spirit Prayer daily or almost daily and from my experience I would HIGHLY recommend doing it, it has changed my daily perception on life and has strengthen my resolve about life; I am able to cope with so much daily 'c..p' that much better because my own thinking has changed, just as Dyson has mentioned so many times in his posts here. Practicing the Spirit Prayer makes me feel so much stronger in myself on all levels and when I skip a day or two I feel the difference, it's like something is missing from my life, I didn't eat my "Daily Bread". But when I don't do it I feel as if I am 'encouraged' to stop the practice because there is no need for it because life is good anyway, or so I am led to believe in a momentary thought but I know I must resume the practice because I feel so much better within myself when I do do it. It's this negative thought that rises from the subconscious trying to convince me that I don't need to practice my S.P. to progress spiritually, it will happen by itself but naturally I know that's a false belief. I can't discribe it better because I can't pull out my thoughts from my mind and lay them infront of me to be scrutinized and debated in a private monologue but I hope you get the idea, Matt. SO Yes, life is what we make of it! Yes I know it's easier said than done but we have help. I personally feel very lucky to have found BEAM's Spiritual Teachings and had an enormously encouraging insight just yesterday; the fact that I have found the ONE and only True Prophet in these troubled times, I feel comforted knowing that I will find HIM again and again and again in my future journeys on Earth, just like I did in my other past lives here on this planet and that gives me real joy and makes me smile on the inside . SO Cheers, bianca | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 712 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Bianca! :-) Wonderful! Wait until you read the German! You'll go crazy! :-))) There are no limits in life. The world is changed. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Fedor Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 01-2007 |
Bianca, I’m not suggesting it’s not possible, but how do you KNOW you found the only True Prophet in your other past lives here on earth? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1154 Registered: 12-1999 |
Bianca, According to the contact notes, to start receiving glimpses of one's past lives you are close to being an JHWH, or you are able to contact the Arahat Athersata level to find this out. Billy's Spirit form as a True Prophet will conclude this role at the end of his current lifetime. Plejadisch-plejarische Kontakberichte, Gespräche, Block 1 (5) Creational Life 5. Position of recognitions. Reminiscences to earlier lives etc. 5. Stufe der Erkennungen. Rückerinnerungen an frühere Leben usw. 6. King of Wisdom=JHWH. Before their last highest power-knowledge. 7. Cognition of spiritual peace, the universal love and the creational harmony. (Present position of our races, (V) 4, 5, 6 and 7) Regards Scott | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 264 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Fedor, et al, As the saying goes: "Seek and you shall find". Practice the Spirit Prayer for a couple of weeks preferably longer of course than stop for a day, and then pay attention to that VOICE within you it will surface into your conscious mind and you may realize that something is missing from your daily routine while the practice of attentiveness is of course very important. Disregard all the daily nonsense and focus on positive neutral ideas, it's very tricky but again practice is essensial. I am not sure how diligent people are but reading and re-reading the translations that Dyson does for us all to benefit is an incredibly monumental task and thus pertinent to each and every human being. Reading and re-reading again and again even some of the Basic Rules Of man or the Introduction to Spiritual teachings is bound to 'move' something in each human psyche that will eventually bring on a realization about oneself, it's a 'knowing' from within, try it - it's free! It's Empowering, It's Liberating! I also HIGHLY recommend reading all the Spirtual Teachings thread written by Jacob. His explantions are like reading an honest book about human psychology, besides it's free and better than Freud. I have printed hopefully all the material I could find which makes it easier to read again and again then I sit quietly some place and immerse myself in this clear knowledge and logic and let myself feel the words sooth my mind while I observe Nature all around me. I like this important quote from the Basic rules of Man, Verse 37: " Each human being must have the feeling and certainty that he can communicate and explain to the fellow-human beings that which is important to him, and in return understanding is given to him". Verse 38: "Each human being must have the feeling and certainty that his fellow human beings do understand what depresses and burdens him, and that he may expect useful advice or some other help". From Introduction to The Spiritual Teachings, Verse 173 "Involuntarily the entire world dissolves in this real reality, the 'Spiritual Truth'". I have too many favourite verses to be mentioned here... Dyson, I have been having German lesson and am having some trouble with the grammar but not with the understanding of words and sentences. Now I wish I had learned German in my youth instead of French the work would have been so much easier. The main obstacle I find is my ability to pronounce the german words correctly- I read German with an English accent/tone because I don't know when to use the right word emphasize and of course the accent sound kind of harsh but...I am eager. Still I am determined to progress because I am really keen to be able to read more of BEAM's Teachings and yes my ultimate goal is to be able to grasp and hopefully feel the activation of Billy's written Code on my sub-conscious. Bianca | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 265 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hi Scott, What role will Billy's Spirit take when he incarnates again in 2075? Could please elaborate on what you marked as point 5 ,6, 7, thank you. I am not claiming any thing, please don't let the imagination run away, I just said that it's a feeling that I had in a momentary insight, and as Dyson just mentioned in the above post "Earth humans can see about 4 seconds in to the future"... maybe this was exactly that for me, I cannot argue my insight because it's a feeling. Naturally if I am here in this personality this is evidence enough to suggest that I have still billions of years to experience and evolve. But I get the feeling that like many of us here who have found Billy, just like the FIGU core group of 49 members, suggests to me that I must have been amongst his circle sometime somewhere in my past and therefore in order for my Spirit to learn and evolve I will continue more than likely to follow the Spiritual Teachings as they are given by the one and only True prophet. It's just logical progress in my mind because my reincarnating spirit chooses to follow SPiritual Teachings rather than any other religion. The fact that this is BEAM's last role as a prophet doesn't dimish the fact that from the year 2029 when the Age of Aquarius really sets in, an era of renewed teachings will progress further still, but the question remains how will the New Age manifest itself. But on a different note, in a meditative state that I have experienced in the past I had a very 'strange' insight: I saw myself as a male Monk and the moment that I tried to see more of that scene (or myself?) the image infront of my eyes vanished and I was left feeling enveloped in a tranquil and joyful feeling, I was somewhere else. I cannot explain in any more details because this is all I can recall from about 20 years ago, and there were other insights too. As Dyson says, indeed there are no limits to human consciousness. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 521 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Melli Yeah Bianca I wholeheartedly agree with you. I have also experienced what you are alluding to. Not a day goes by for me where I do not read or spend some time studying and reading the spiritual teachings. When I was taking care of my mother after her major surgery, I left the spiritual teaching on the back burner and neglected my commitment towards spirituality and my golly! did I suffer or what! I shouldn't use this analogy but I'll do so anyway. Once you have stepped into this arena and found the truth, there is no turning back, its a bit like the tarzan story or the amazonian tribes, once you have been influenced by something extraordinary beyond the customary, then like a drug addict you will suffer the withdrawal symtom if you don't feed your habit constantly. So it is in this vain that what the oxygen does to the body, the spiritual knowledge, thought, state of mind, cognition, awareness will do for the often neglected spirit. I can't get away from it any longer and if I try, there exist this gaping hole or a massive void within myself that yearns for release like a prisoner yearning for freedom and this is the powerful effect of the spiritual teachings that isn't readily noticeable for those who haven't truly jumped the fence and seen the light. Anyway good suggestion Bianca, I'll endeavour to accomodate the SP to my daily activities Right now I am at a stage where I feel like the captain of my ship slowly journeying through the dense fog and mist over the water and managing to see some indication of the Island not too far away. As I dedicate myself more to the spiritual teachings and clarify many things within myself then I am certain that I'll arrive beyond the dense fog to visibly see the sun drenched Island with all its beauty. I may not get there but I have seen the Island. cheers Matt | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 720 Registered: 03-2004 |
DEAR Bianca! You got it. This is the key: "reading and re-reading the translations" The pronunciation comes with a desire to rid yourself of an ugly English accent. Try www.readplease.com and/or listen to the German news on SBS (8AM) or Inspector Rex tonight at 7:35. Small corrections: "because my reincarnating spirit chooses to follow SPiritual Teachings rather than any other religion." Your spirit, your enlivening force, does not choose. There are consciousness-related aspects of our makeup which do the "choosing", and the renewed teachings of the spirit are NOT another religion. No belief required nor desired. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Fedor Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 01-2007 |
Dyson, why do you criticize the accent of the English language? Is that not just a neutral thing? If it pains you so, you have the freedom not to speak or hear it. But please do not insult the English-speaking people here by calling their accent "ugly". | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 232 Registered: 04-2006 |
The high german language (not plain german!) was chosen among all earth languages long time ago as a vehicle to express the spiritual message offered by the new age prophet.It is the language that offers more advantages, as accuracy and diversity. Not in these times we as a human civilization will be able to extract the possibilities of expression of high german.Not many individuals will have access to its capabilities today.In the future our consciousness and our evolution will meet the requirements. As of 2007 we should not talk so bad about the international language (english)today.It is the language that is linked to the present times. High german is much better if we talk of accuracy. But nobody should forget that upgrading from an inaccurate language to a more suitable one is always an option never an obligation. The same applies to Geisteslehre.It's an option, an offering, never an obligation. | ||
Fedor Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hector, I do not mean to disparage the German language in any way. But English is also a good language for the people that were born where it is spoken. Maybe not as good for communicating complicated spiritual teachings, but still good for everyday use. Here's a little story, please. At my previous job for a company, the business was having some problems and there was a lot of bickering and complaining among the employees. The management said conditions were not likely to get much better, so either STFU or leave. (STFU is acronym for stop your bitching and moaning, but in a very harsh manner.) Well, 6 months later and the workers were still behaving the same and nobody left. So I did. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 488 Registered: 06-2000 |
I think Dyson was meaning that the english accent is ugly when speaking german . How about a southern accent speaking german , I'm actually sorry I even thought of that . Now that's ugly , y'all . MC Mark Campbell | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 535 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum It goes without saying although its been emphasised over and over again on this forum of just how important concentration, focus and being here and now is, I've got to say every time there is a problem, the circle closes once again back to the issue of concentration. Concentration is like a strong focused laser beam that penetrates through everything, where this block of power is not diffused hither dither dispersed in all directions whereas an unfocused and a distracted mind is. Looking at it another way, meditation and concentration exercise is what I found to be like a process of cleaning the dirty mirror, once its all done, every reflection is clear and the way it is. A distracted mind is also like a wandering hobbo always on the move but without a clear destination or purpose. The dissipation of concentration and lack of focus yields a fractured view and half grainy images that has form but lacking substance. It's also like a leaking tap unattended to that keeps of sprouting out water in all directions and a distracted mind is like that. The more I get to know of the essence and the power of concentration the more I feel that I lack and come to appreciate it that much more. In my case, I took it for granted that I knew what concentration really was but alas it definitely isn't the case. Once you get this brief glimpse of the radiating light, even this sparse sign will attest to oneself of the fact that what you thought you knew was but a little scratching on the surface of the iceberg bobbing out the ocean and underneath it lies an immense proportion hidden from view. These are just my personal observation of things. But like a brief glance of the autumn leaves bustling and falling, carried by the surge of strong breeze, I feel as if part of my mind is like the rustic coloured leaves shed by the tree. It gives away its leaves one by one blown before the wind to give away the last vestitures of its own creation and flesh to breath that one last breath and to create that last beauty before it slumbers and recedes for the coming winter before renewed life begins. cheers Matt | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 537 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum members Another instances of madness where 33 people have been gunned down in Virginia. Was it the work of a disgruntled person harbouring much resentment not fitting in to society suffering from mental illness? OR A brainwashed subject let loose to commit this horrendous crime to hammer in another stake in the hearts and minds of the people by the elite machination to shock them, make them feel helpless and to institute yet more intrusive and tougher laws against individual freedom by lawmakers introducing laws that make it compulsory for every citizen as well as non citizens to carry an ID with RFID chips imbedded AND/OR The ruling elite pushing their agenda to get every citizen's DNA screened and making a collection in a database but doing so in the guise of National security and individual protection. Their argument being "well if we had a DNA database of all citizens and inbound temporary stayers, we could have prevented well in advance by identifying certain genetic marker predisposed to criminality or homicide, making America a lot safer". Was this another columbine waiting to happen? Is there a conspiracy here like the columbine where witnesses have been mysteriously snuffed out so conveniently thereby the real shooters getting away with blue murder? Was there more than one shooter involved in the Virginia mass killing? A lone gunman scenario and turning the gun on himself is all too reminiscent text book scenario of a wider conspiracy? What! are we going to see another fabricated video surveillance tapes out of sequence, doctored or even shot in a studio????????????? Anyway to those that died, the universe was definitely not fair to them although according to spiritual view this is not the case. Anyone who thinks otherwise can trade places with them and see how they feel. cheers Matt | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 727 Registered: 03-2004 |
From Australia's SBS-TV news, April 17th, 2007 (Before they got their stories straight) INTERVIEW WITH CNN REPORTER TJ HOLMES IN VIRGINIA CNN reporter TJ Holmes is still at the scene of the Blacksburg shooting, and he says the situation there remains unclear. TJ HOLMES, CNN: Well, a lot of that right now is still a big, big mystery. And the biggest mystery is in fact do we know for sure if there was just one shooter. Of course there were two different shooting incidents on campus at two different locations, the first at 7:15 in the morning. Police at that point thought, and they were calling it "an isolated domestic incident" so they didn't have any reason to think there was going to be another shooting on campus. They had a person of interest they wanted to talk to in that first shooting. Well, they found that person and when they began to question that person, at around 9:30, as they were questioning that person of interest in that first shooting, the other shooting broke out on another part of campus. In fact the gunmen in that second shooting over at Norris Hall, a separate hall on campus, the gunman was found there dead in that shooting, and he didn't match the description of first person of interest. So confusion there as to whether or not there was in fact only one shooter. But police have not ruled out the possibility that, yes, these two incidents that were pretty much back to back on the same campus, within hours of each other, in a wild coincidence could possibly not be related and we could have two separate shooters. And if that is the case, then there is still one shooter, one killer somewhere out there. STAN GRANT: As you say, two shootings, two hours apart, questions are also being asked as to why authorities did not act more quickly in shutting down the school. TJ HOLMES: Well, the way police are answering that is they just didn't know, they had no idea, no way to know. They thought they were dealing with one incident - and which could still prove to be the case - one incident, one separate incident, had no reason to think that there was going to be a second shooting, no reason to think that there was a different type of motivation. They thought it was "an isolated domestic incident" is what they called that first one. So the warning that went out to students after that first incident is that - they actually got emails and they posted it on the website - a message that read, "Students be cautious around campus. If you see anything suspicious, report it to police." But it did not tell them to seek safety, to lock down, to lock themselves in, to barricade themselves anywhere. That message didn't come until a little while later and certainly at a time it was too late for a lot of people. But they defend themselves by saying "Hey, there was no way we could have known and this was an isolated incident." Plus we have got a campus here full of 25,000+ students. How do you even secure that? How do you take all those people to safety in the first place? You can't have a guard at every door, you can't have a police officer at every classroom, every entrance, every office. So they said they did the best they could with the information they had at the time. STAN GRANT: TJ, we appreciate your time. Thank you. ------------------ I strongly recommend "SECRET SOCIETIES and Psychological Warfare" by Michael A. Hoffman II Salome, Dyson | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 239 Registered: 03-2004 |
I have a comment about the fairness of Creation. Creation is completely fair with each and every life in the universe. The fairness does not mean that it protects anyone, nor does it mean that it makes certain that WE don't hurt each other. What it DOES mean is that Creation has created hard and fast rules that apply to everyone and everything in the universe, and that we each equally have our own free will to make choices as we please, as long as it does not break a law of Creation. With that in mind, you now know with absolute certainty, IF you think about it, that life is completely fair, though just not at all easy. Life can be hard and crappy at times, but the lack of ease and comfort is mostly due to us humans not living correctly. Is that Creation's fault or ours??? If you want freedom of will, then Creation cannot interfere. If you want Creation to control everything (which it doesn't and will not do), then you have no freedom. Get it??? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 549 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thomas point well taken dude but if I can point to some consideration for you to think about, not for us to fall headlong into an argument about who is right or who is wrong but to ruminate on another vantage point for learning. If someone like me says Creation wasn't fair on a life then this is not apportioning blame on Creation for laying out Creative Natural laws, directives and principles whereby we the one's with Creation given 'WILL' can exercise it at our discretion. You need to remember that every spirit is at the mercy of the Creative laws and cannot determine his incarnation, the kind of parents it'll incarnate from, the birthplace, the country, the type of social circumstances it'll incarnate in, therefore each incarnated spirit has a predetermined providence and out of those providence, the human being will exercise his free will. Now the spiritual teachings stresses just how important and sacred each and every life is and every human who has ever incarnated and will in the future is but once an occurence that'll never be repeated EVER, so the spiritual view of seeing life in one long stretch over millionfold incarnations allays the fear of death YET it is the spirit that'll incarnate and not the once in the universe personality that you , I and everybody now has, so therefore even if life's given multitude of verities both positive and negative should be embraced as part and parcel of existence, what of the babies, infants and young children whose faces, limbs, organs, and body is torn apart by incendiary bombs in all parts of the globe where civil war is strife. Can you look them in the eye and say universe has been fair to you in this once in this universe existence although they never got the chance to exercise their free will nor even knew what the words free will meant. It is in this context that although the evils are created by us degenerate humans out of their own free will, what about those incarnated spirits without choice who were at the mercy of other people's freewill without having had the chance to exercise their own before they were snuffed out. Whilst we can take our leisurely breath in comfort and debate about the pro and cons and whatever else happens to be on our minds, there is I believe more deeper meanings contained in the spiritual message than on the outset therefore we should also consider the plight of the sufferings of others before consider uttering the words that 'universe is fair to all life' as if it is an absolute. Sure, I for one have only taken his novice steps in this spiritual consciousness enlightenment and am not nor am I alluding to the fact that I am the bastion and the epitome of the cause and fight for these unfortunate people's plights as I have many many things and prerequisites to attain before there is some semblance of stalk sprouting out of my ground, although what I am alluding to is that sometimes I do see forum members here regurgitating the spiritual message as if they truly understand it or have some basis of real life experience behind them or at least indelibly clarified it within themselves which is not the case. Anyway if we consider the nature of what 'fairness' really is, it can only be known and is relative according to our own terrestrial material understanding of what this term denotes so I would gather that in the spiritual frame of mind, the word 'fairness' dissolves into obscurity and nothingness. cheers Matt | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 246 Registered: 04-2006 |
Matt, do not like to say this, but your accusation of forum members "regurgitating spiritual message" without having done their homework sounds very disrespectful to me and others. If you are not satisfied with answers provided by others, then do what Dyson does, which is denounciation and point out individually the mistakes that have been made, providing names and a clarification for such mistakes.How do you know "its not the case" ? Where is your presumption of innocence? Opinions, everyone is entitled to one.Its up to the rest of us, with the help of moderators, to correct false interpretations of the Spirit Teachings, or even plain lies. Just adding a thought about fairness i'll say that we have to distinguish between Creational Fairness and This Civilization Fairness.Creation is perfect.Creation does not drop bombs, creation does not overpopulate and creation does not destroy the environment.Of course people killed by natural disasters like Tsunamis or Earthquakes is terrible, but who said those risky areas like San Francisco, Japan, near active volcanos had to be populated..? What created 60% of Cho-Seung mental instability, was it creation or was it the absurd values of an absurd society that doesnt care about outsiders and sick people? Creation does not kill iraqis, it's sectarian religious violence, provoked by previous human absurd decisions, what's killing them. Creation can't be blamed.Blame man instead. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1170 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, I don't understand how this section was created. The title is not applicable to the truth. The Creation has nothing to do with how someones life will turn out, good or bad. There are things such as accidents, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, pure and simple. The Plejarens are highly aware of the nature of accidents and take many precautions against them. We truly govern our fate, but because we are not perfect we will always make mistakes which effect us or others in someway... Scott | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 02-2006 |
"Matt, do not like to say this, but your accusation of forum members "regurgitating spiritual message" without having done their homework sounds very disrespectful to me and others. If you are not satisfied with answers provided by others, then do what Dyson does, which is denounciation and point out individually the mistakes that have been made, providing names and a clarification for such mistakes.How do you know "its not the case" ? Where is your presumption of innocence? Opinions, everyone is entitled to one.Its up to the rest of us, with the help of moderators, to correct false interpretations of the Spirit Teachings, or even plain lies." Well said Hector, I agree! That is the right thing to do. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 244 Registered: 03-2004 |
Scott, I believe this section was created possibly to address people new to the FIGU material a while back since the question seems to arise regularly when people first learn about Creation. Usually this question occurs after they find out about Creation but still don't fully understand it. To you, this may seem like an unnecessary section, but the fact that someone recently posted about "How can life be fair if people kill each other" just goes to show you that this section is useful in answering such questions for people who haven't found the answers yet. With all due respect, this forum is not just for those of us who are already familiar with Billy's info. It is also supposed to be a resource for those who are new to the material. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 245 Registered: 03-2004 |
Matt, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I will say that it is my understanding that the ability to know what fairness is, is as simple as looking in the dictionary. Have a great day everyone! | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 550 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Hector No Hector, not at all, instead you have presented me with an opportunity to grow. Hector I don't think you need to concern yourself with the feeling of being offended with the general statement of mine nor should anybody else. At the outset it may come across as denigrating the intelligence of others I have no right in passing such a judgement as if I have usurped myself in a loftier ground over others. If you take into consideration that it applies equally to my own person and that since making mistakes is our lifelong companion to which we cannot extricate ourselves from one iota, it is therefore on this premise that no one is perfect and hence the broad generalising statement of mine was given. In all conscience, who among us here have not made the mistake of uttering words that later turned out to be incorrect or false or have repeated our interpretation of the spiritual teachings only to conclude that we haven't completely understood it. Is it not an expression of immodesty to be offended by such statements, if the facts are self evidently clear that the path of learning we have thus tread is strewn with many a mistakes that lay behind us. It was never my intention to offend, castigate, denigrate, lower, belittle, diminish, demean and traduce the intelligence or the efforts of the members here but if members do have persistent feelings to the contrary, I can only suggest that OM/2465. To be without guilt means to be without worry. The apology that members may see fit as the most appropriate act to make on my part would in itself be an act of self betrayal and guileful treason, as empty apology given for the sake of appeasement and peace at all cost is not only dishonest but muddies the clear stream of this forum. What is appropriate for me to do is to state the facts as honestly as I know it to be at this point in time and I stand by my statement. The fact is, I am also party to this statement of mine that applies equally to me with no exceptions. In regards to the discussion on whether the universe is fair to all life or not, although I can see both sides of the coin, can we at least come to appreciate the marvelous process of uncovering the layers of our own minds in grappling with this topic and others. Figuratively speaking, for how could we tango without the counterpart mutually assisting yet providing counter force on which the other accommodates to in this symbiotic dance where the expression of creativity is given form. Being right in truth is what ultimately matters in the end but sometimes we can derive satisfaction from being wrong so that it challenges us to search deeper to where we need to go to get it right, I therefore embrace but not denounce the means as just as necessary a part in the process of evolution and learning no matter what the prevailing sentiments are. cheers Matt | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1172 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Thomas, I understand your response, but you have to ask why people are attracted to this material to begin with. Hopefully to understand what truth is, and to live by it. I think the idea that the Creation is unfair, stems from religious teachings where life is in "Gods" hands, and we must accept what is given to us. For myself, I think I would rather know what is true about something, than to accept an idea, which in the long run proves to be untrue. Granted, the truth may not be pretty and hard to accept, but that is what learning is all about IMO... Scott | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 251 Registered: 04-2006 |
Well said Matt, perhaps my words were excessively harsh, but i felt the urge to defend the forum community in general, and like you say, everyone needs an opportunity to grow spiritually, even in the case of newcomers, bad students,idiots, liars or deceivers. Thank you for your honest and sincere opinions... | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 552 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Hector Much appreciation for your gracious understanding Hector. cheers Matt | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1190 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, How many of us, actually live in the present? How many times do we stop whatever we are thinking or doing, and actually look around us and truly see what is before us? How much of what we think about actually pertains to being in the present? What do we tell ourselves throughout the day? What do we actually think about, and are we truly aware of learning to think neutrally, ie…the present…every so often I have seen how religious and false teaching have corrupted our way of perceiving and thinking, which in turn weakens us, and allows us to be mislead..its truly amazing how far off we have become, in my opinion, and lost our ability to know who we are, and how our thinking processes work, and how perceptions do not perceive the present. How often do we walk into a garden or natural setting and allow our senses to perceive without our conscious minds making judgments and assessments and to allow our perceptions to register our impressions into our sub-consciousness, as neutral information? To be able to perceive something as it actually is with clear perception and to be at one with something is to me one of the aspects of our spiritual natures which has been lost and distorted. Regards Scott | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 567 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Forum The basic tenets of the Talmud is often forgotten points that we should remind ourselves readily. The basic foundation can be culled for those who haven't read it or have only given it a cursory glance. Thanks to Dr Deardorff for his priceless work on the TJ. BRIEF SUMMARY OF JMMANUEL'S BASIC TEACHINGS Reincarnation and evolution of the individual human spirit Existence and omnipotence of Creation (Universal Consciousness) Connection between the individual human spirit and Creation Distinction between Creation and advanced humanoid gods (or God or ETs) Concerning God, the (ET) ruler of human races in the Mideast, to the north and to the east False teachings eventually to give way to truth Importance of seeking truth and knowledge Natural laws of Creation The ignorant state of the human spirit at first, which gradually evolves toward wisdom The healing ability of the evolved human spirit The eventual merger of the very highly evolved spirit with Creation The immortality or timelessness of Creation and the human spirit The evolution and increasing perfection of Creation itself The gentleness of the yoke of spiritual development The human as master over the Sabbath On recall of past lives by true prophets On the deplorability of suicide On the unities of apparent opposites Strive to: be spiritually balanced recognize truth live according to the laws of nature and Creation maintain a clear conscience exercise justice according to the laws of Creation exercise love and understanding in accordance with the natural law of Creation and with logic collect treasures in one's spirit and consciousness learn to recognize your own mistakes learn from your mistakes Advice: Always be aware of the presence of Creation Offer love wherever it is warranted, but exercise punishment when the laws of nature demand it Give to those who ask of you sincerely Choose your words carefully and with natural logic When praying, pray to the power of one's own spirit Don't amass great treasures on Earth Take care of your physical needs for tomorrow Do not judge falsely If you use the sword without need you will perish by the sword Take the log out of your own eye before looking for the splinter in your brother's eye* Don't waste your spiritual treasures on the unworthy Ask..., seek... and knock...* Do to others as you wish they would do to you* Never doubt in the power of your spirit Beware of false prophets* Avoid swearing or oaths* Avoid sexual intercourse except with one's spouse Avoid adultery, fornication, male homosexuality Avoid acting as the scribes & Pharisees say, or as they do The spiritual kingdom or realm: includes both good fruit and weeds is like a mustard seed...* is like leaven...* is like hidden treasure...* is like a priceless pearl...* is like a fish net... cannot be grasped by the ordinary coarse senses is inside of you and outside of you Prophecies: His (Jmmanuel's) teachings will be falsified Peter will be one who is guilty of falsifying Jmmanuel's teachings Many of the people of Israel will never find their peace Judas Iscariot will be unjustly accused A new prophet will emerge in two thousand years Jmmanuel will have to suffer in Jerusalem Friends from the land of India will help Jmmanuel escape from the tomb on the third day The woman in Bethany who anointed Jmmanuel will be remembered for a long time to come* Before the rooster crows Peter will deny Jmmanuel three times* A prophet named Mohammed will arise in 500 years For a long time to come mankind will forget about Creation and its laws Note: * indicates the teaching made it into the Gospel of Matthew virtually unchanged. | ||
Mike_hooten Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2006 |
re: Babaji Clarification Dear Badr, Thanks for the clarification from Billy about Babaschi. Long ago (for me) i had joined Self Realization Fellowship founded by Yogananda in California whose "root guru" was a "Babaji" described by Yogananda as over 1000 years old. Yogananda implied that he was, through Lahiri and Yukteswar, the legitimate/authorized teacher of Babaji's Kriya Yoga . Interestingly, with the advent of the internet other disciples of this Babaji have now made themselves known. A still incomplete chart of these other disciples is made by a Hindu attorney becoming yogi living in San Diego, Satyeswarananda. http://www.sanskritclassics.com/KriyaNetwork.htm (Concentration related to the breath is how i will describe my understanding of the Kriya Yoga) Dont know where to post this so will leave that up to you. Mike Hooten | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 163 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Scott Very few actually live in the present, including myself. To see, perceive things as they really are. (and perceive Creation through it, be a flower, a sunset, etc..). I was listening to this , while meditating about your post Scott Just want to share it: www.youtube.com/v/LlvUepMa31o | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1217 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Eric, Thank you, I listened/watched the link you sent, it was very calming Regards Scott | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1240 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, I thought some people who have no access, or haven’t read the contact notes, might find this interesting. This was taken from Contact #6 which occurred on Sunday February 23, 1975. This is a combined translation between the translation in Wendelle Stevens Book “Message from the Pleiadies” Volume 1, and another translation, which I believe to be the original translation of which Wendelle based his books on. In addition, I used the original German translation and made a few minor corrections and notations. I do have the original German translation, but it is in another format, which I haven’t converted over to text yet. Please understand this is an unofficial translation, but I think it is interesting none the less. This information was conveyed to Billy from Semjase during this contact and illustrates the 7 stages of development for the human spirit form as I understand it. If anyone does not feel this should be displayed on the forum, please let me know. Regards Scott I. Primary Life 1. Primary development of the intellect and the consciousness. 2. Primary thinking by use of the intellect and consciousness. 3. Primary development of reason by thinking. 4. Primary application of force by using the intellect and consciousness. 5. Primary reasonable actions by thinking. 6. Primary use of the will for thinking and acting. 7. Living life by the use of reason. Life forms in these levels are considered, by already reasonable beings, as spiritually ill (ill in consciousness) as idiots etc…In reality their consciousness and intellect is not yet developed, (new spirit, who by learning and experience first has to form itself). II. Reasoned Life 1. Primary development of reason 2. Effective realization of reason and its application. 3. Primary acknowledgement and cognition of higher influences 4. Belief in higher influences without having the knowledge 5. Belief in higher forces, superstition, fear of evil, veneration of God etc., Germinating times for religion etc. 6. Primary recognition of the real reality. Research, knowledgeable development, first spiritual cognitions and their use: Spiritual healing, telepathy etc. (Present position II (6) of the average earth human being) 7. Primary development of knowledge and wisdom. III. Intellect-Life 1. High development of the intellect. High Technology, first realizations of the second use of spiritual forces. Primary creation of living forms. 2. Realization and application of knowledge, truth and wisdom. Slow breakdown of accepted beliefs. (Present position III (2) of educated earth human being, scientists etc.) 3. First utilization of knowledge and wisdom. 4. Acknowledgement and utilization of Nature’s laws. Generation of hyper-technologies. Second creation of living forms. 5. Natural use of wisdom and knowledge in cognition of spiritual forces. 6. Life in knowing about wisdom, truth and logic. 7. Primary cognition of the reality as absolutely real. (Present position III (7) of some borderland and spiritual scientists) IV. Real Life. 1. Clear knowledge about the reality as absolutely real. 2. Cognition of Spiritual knowledge and Spiritual wisdom. 3. Utilization of Spiritual knowledge and Spiritual wisdom 4. Cognition of the reality of Creation and its laws. 5. Living according to the Creational laws. Clarification (Purification) of the spirit and the intellect. Cognition of the real obligation and force of the spirit. Total breakdown of all beliefs. (Your (Billy) present position IV (5), with tendencies to the next.) 6. Guided and controlled utilization of spiritual and consciousness related forces. 7. Creation of first living life forms. V. Creational Life 1. Creating and control of life forms. 2. Construction of mechanical/organic living life forms. 3. Spiritual and consciousness related development of forces for control of material and organic life forms. 4. The use of the will in mastery of life and all its forms and kinds. 5. Position of recognitions. Reminiscences to earlier lives etc. 6. King of Wisdom=JHWH. Before their last highest power-knowledge. 7. Cognition of spiritual peace, the universal love and the creational harmony. (Present position of our (Plejarens) races, (V) 4, 5, 6 and 7) VI. 1. Acknowledgement and realization of the spiritual peace, the universal love and the creational harmony. 2. Living in pure spiritual form. 3. Spiritual Creations. 4. Dis-embodying of the spirit from organic matter. 5. First spiritual existence. 6. Final spiritual existence. 7. Pass-over into the Creation VII. 1. Twilight sleep over seven periods (eternities). 2. Awakening and the beginning of creating in the Creation as Creation, during seven periods/eternities. 3. Creating of life forms. 4. Creating of new spirit (1.1) for the improvement of the Creation. 5. Creation of spiritual greatness in the Creation 6. Improvement of the Creation in the Creation. 7. Last reach of the highest improvement in the seventh period/eternity. The twilight sleep of the Creation lasts seven periods/eternities/great times: 311,040,000,000,000 years last one period/eternity/great time. In the twilight state of Creation all life and the whole universe cease to exist. First after its awaking, it starts to create all things new. During its twilight sleep there exists neither space nor time; there only is the Nothing, as all lay sleeping in the infinite bosom of the Creation and the null-time. While no creating thought exists, so there is no force, no time and no space; there is only duration in nameless nothing. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hi Scott, Your post hit on two questions that I’ve been wondering about for some time now but thought it was probably answered somewhere “out there” waiting for my eventual discovery. But now that you have brought it up, here goes: “The twilight sleep of the Creation lasts seven periods/eternities/great times: <snip> During its twilight sleep there exists neither space nor time;” The question is begged: If there is neither space nor time, how can it’s duration be measured in time? “First after its awaking, it starts to create all things new.” Just how “new” are we talking here? What happens to all that knowledge gleaned from the previous Creation? Surely, there must be some sort of carry-over in the form of “knowingness” for lack of a better word to account for Creation making an “improvement” on the one before? Regards Bob | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 576 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Scott This is really great! Thanks Salome Savio | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1242 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Bob, I don't pretend to know how this can be. It would seem there has to be some type of yardstick which allows some form of measurement, beyond 3 dimensional reality. As I understand it, the previous wisdom, knowledge is processed within the Creation as it sleeps, and is used when it re-awakens. This may account for the "awakened Creation" not needing to Create the Material Universe or Material Belt, because it has learned all it could by the creation of the material universe in its previous "incarnation"...Big questions Regards Scott | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 820 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott.... Yes, very well put! It would indeed be 'digested' during the 'Slumber' period. And when 'Awaken' once again: Utilize the Positive Digested Processed...to Expand further once again. And 'Perfect' itself at the same time, also. Edward. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 03-2007 |
Scott, thank you for your input on this subject which I find extremely fascinating! But I wonder if I could get you to clarify a point: Post #1240: In the twilight state of Creation all life and the whole universe cease to exist. First after its awaking, it starts to create all things new. Post #1242: This may account for the "awakened Creation" not needing to Create the Material Universe or Material Belt, because it has learned all it could by the creation of the material universe in its previous "incarnation"... So what is it that Creation creates “new” after the twilight slumber, if not the Material Universe or Material Belt? Regards Bob | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 05-2007 |
phi spiral maybe it creates a spirit universe or belt. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 03-2007 |
"phi spiral maybe it creates a spirit universe or belt." Or, maybe it’s a “newer_improved_dave” universe. :-) It appears you are right about that, Mr. Dave, since there is currently no other option on the table. Though, I cannot imagine what a completely spiritual universe would be like or how progression is made in it. There are six cycles of spiritual universes after this, but this is the only material one - so we better enjoy it while we can. No more mountains or trees. No more dancing or puppy dogs. I’m going to really miss snow. I would think Creation could spare at least one more round with a material universe and do a really good job with it. After all, what’s an eternity or two. At least we won’t have to bathe. Whatever. | ||
Likeaflower Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 07-2007 |
Thought you may find this interesting: Excerpt from: What is Creation? (from Stimme der Wassermannzeit, No. 89 December 1993) • Creation itself exists in a conscious creative state for seven Great-Times. --- Subsequently it lays dormant for an equal number of Great-Times, but this time they last seven times as long. Following this period, Creation is awake to create once again for a period seven times as longer once again than the previous one. (One Great-Time is equal to 311,040,000,000,000 terrestrial years; seven Great-Times add up to 2,177,280,000,000,000 terrestrial years, also called an eternity; 7 x 7 Great-Times make one All-Great-Time.) In addition, as I understand it from my own personal studies of the teachings, our Universe (Dern) is what is known as a "Simple" Creation. A Simple Creation becomes UR Creation becomes Original Creation, etc. Salome} | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 03-2007 |
(One Great-Time is equal to 311,040,000,000,000 terrestrial years; seven Great-Times add up to 2,177,280,000,000,000 terrestrial years, also called an eternity; 7 x 7 Great-Times make one All-Great-Time.) Looks like we have a lot of "great times" ahead of us! :-) | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 493 Registered: 01-2004 |
This Creation is a so-called first Creation and the only Creation with a material belt and human-spiritforms. The DERN, DAL and RADERN-Universes are examples of creational universes with material belts and human spiritforms. After its sleeping period, which will be equally long as it's previous waking period, an totally spiritually-energetic Universe will be created without any coarse/dense-material energy or human spiritforms, it will be just the Creation itself as an entity developing and evolving to an higher state of BEING. The Creation uses knowledge and wisdom gained from its former existence and also all the knowledge and wisdom gained by all the human spirit which ever came in to existence. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1256 Registered: 12-1999 |
Jacob, I have never heard of the RADERN Universe, could you explain? Salome Scott | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 496 Registered: 01-2004 |
It's a young Universe discovered by the plejarens in recent years, its age lies several trillion years behind that of the DAL and DERN universe and the highest human life found by the plejarens are primitive (cave men) humans. That is what I know from the top of my head. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1258 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thanks Jacob, this is new to me. Salome Scott | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hello Jacob, Thanks for information regarding Universes in your post no.496. Can you tell me what RA in acronyme RADERN means? Salome, Dejan | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 05-2007 |
Greetings to all This is an excerpt from the website galactic-server.com http://www.galactic-server.com/rune/semjeng8.html Animals in nature do strive for perfection through spiritual growth. They strive for the evolution of nature within a set order. They basically strive for "instinct" development. Is this true, is so could someone explain it? Salome ashwin | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 318 Registered: 04-2006 |
Basically this excerpt (Remember, Ashwin, from a non official non authorized source) says that animals cannot evolve consciously and integrate themselves with creation at the end of creation's wake cycle. Their animal spiritform does not permit a conscious, spirit-related process of completion, perfection.(Vollkommenheit) So consider yourself priviledged! | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Ashwin I will attempt to briefly explain if I may? The Om mentions that the capabilities of the spirit in humans is different to that of plants and animals, in that the human spirit, being a part of Creation's spirit, evolves consciously, using logic and reasoning ability - the spirit growing with the wisdom gained through this logic and reasoning --Plants and animals have a pure spirit, but of another kind to humans, and do not have 'conscious' evolution, as they live by instinct and physical impulses. So, they evolve in physical ways, but not spiritually. Well, that is my understanding. in peace Robjna | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Hector and Robjna But is this true for all the types of Creations in it's first stages like ours ? And don't the animals and plants indirectly aid in the evolution of Creation, because we depend on them for our evolution ? Thanking You ashwin | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 03-2007 |
Ashwin: “And don't the animals and plants indirectly aid in the evolution of Creation, because we depend on them for our evolution?” The “interconnectiveness” of all living things is discussed in, “Die Art zu Leben”: Die Menschen brauchen einander ebenso, wie sie auch die Natur und deren Pflanzen und Tiere benötigen. Humans need one another just as much as they also require nature and its plants and animals. Und also ist es notwendig, einen Sinn und ein Gefühl dafür zu entwickeln, denn wahrheitlich ruht die Erkenntnis dessen, dass alle Lebewesen einander brauchen, in einer universellen Verantwortung, der auf die Dauer nicht ausgewichen werden kann. And therefore it is necessary to develop a sense and a feeling for that because, truly, the recognition is based on this: that all living things need one another in a universal responsibility which cannot be evaded in the long run. Die Furchtlosigkeit muss derart gestaltet sein, dass sie nicht leichtsinnig ist, sondern einfach derart, dass dem Leid, den Hindernissen und den Schwierigkeiten usw. nicht ausgewichen wird, damit aus ihnen gelernt werden kann und auch die Erkenntnis reift, dass alles Leben jeglicher Art miteinander verbunden ist und einander bedarf, und zwar bis über den Tod hinaus. The fearlessness must be formed in such a way that it is never foolhardy, rather simply in such a way that the grief, the hindrances and the difficulties, and so forth, are not avoided, so that from them it can be learnt - and also the cognition matures - that all life of any kind is bound together and requires the other and indeed extending beyond death. But as far as our own evolution is concerned, the greater influence comes from other humans. That is my interpretation, anyway, based on certain passages such as the one below: Wenn der Mensch dem Nächsten schadet, dann schadet er in erster Linie sich selbst, weil dadurch die eigene Evolution gehemmt wird. If the human damages the next human, then, first and foremost, he damages himself, because thereby one's own evolution is impeded. However, speaking for myself and my own experience, I first learned true compassion from my interaction with animals, and learned later in life how to transpose this humans. Growing up, kids can be cruel to other kids, but from animal pets, I first began to learn what unconditional love might be like. So in that regard, animals played an indirect role to my own evolution and helped me have better insight to passages like this: Je mehr Hindernisse und Schwierigkeiten bewältigt werden, desto wissender und unbezwingbarer wird der Mensch gegen alle Unbill des Lebens und desto tiefgründiger erkennt er die Wahrheit der Notwendigkeit dessen, dass alle Lebensformen einander brauchen, so also auch der Mensch seinen Nächsten und Mitmenschen. The more hindrances and difficulties are conquered, the more knowing and unassailable the human becomes against all injustice of life, and the more profoundly he recognises the truth of the necessity of this: that all life forms need one another, so therefore also the human needs his neighbor and fellow humans. (translation by Gaiaguys) Just as we often hear testimonies of individuals who state that they never really knew what “love” was until they have had children of their own, so I believe that animals and plants help catalyze a different dynamic of nurturing and caring which would not occur otherwise. And yet still humans have a lot to learn about “love” As Semjase said in Contact 10: “The earth human speaks of love that he does not know.” And later: “Love and wisdom belong together, because Creation and Its laws are love and wisdom at the same time.” Regards Bob | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Bob Thanks for your previous post. But i always used to wonder, while watching those shows on Animal Planet; when lets say an octopus is placed in a maze and it has to use its intelligence to find its way out; it in a way experiences something different. So don't these new experiences be something from which Creation can evolve, or does this rather aids in the evolution of nature? Thanking You ashwin | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 03-2007 |
I rather think the higher spiritual levels, like the Petale, are already acquainted with how to negotiate a maze, don't you? :-)And probably anything else a trick pony or dancing bear could come up with. The approach to problem solving is quite different between man and animals. As was previously discussed, animals rely on instinct that taps into a memory bank of experiences. Although the human may begin problem solving by reviewing past experiences, they have the potential for "creative" problem solving and thereby coming up with something that hasn't been done before. Regards Bob | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 06-2006 |
Dear Ashwin I am wondering why you are not seeming to take advantage of the wealth of information that is available on these topics, on this forum, as well as on the other English speaking sources? You are asking alot of questions, one after the other -- and even though there are some here who will answer, these questions are likely to have been asked before and answered before -- I would suggest you pick a topic of your interest, and then go on a search/hunt for info on that topic -- that is what I did when i was new to all this and before i had books to read about it all. Your last question about animal learning of mazes and evolution, indicates that you have not comprehended the information already shared about this above. Evolution of the immortal, non-physical human spirit, is different to evolution of the material physical forms of various kinds including our own physical bodies. The human spirit, is the only spirit in this universe, that as far as I have read, is capable of evolving to the point of being able to merge with the Creation that created it, and that it is a part of. Animals, do not have a human spirit -- and therefore they cannot evolve to merge with creation, to increase Creation's knowledge - as it is also evolving in a similar way to the human spirit. I am not saying that you should not ask questions, but you have made around 80 posts in your short time on this forum, 3 months, and I personally think you could be better served and learn more, searching for the answers to your questions, rather than just being given them. This is an important part of the learning process. Please don't take this the wrong way -- I like tha fact that you are so keen to know, but I also am aware of how asking question after question is stopping you from your own 'seeking' because my interpretation of the teachings at this point is that it is our own 'striving' that is required for evolution to proceed. Even if you are not able to purchase material other than what is available on the internet, what is available should keep you busy for many years -- because it is not enough to know the answers, but to find the answers, using logic and reasoning to get there -- then the knowledge is yours and your spirit can use that and therefore it grows. Being given all the answers, does not benefit the spirit in the sense mentioned above. I know you will enjoy your search in peace Robjna | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 876 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Sirashwin.... Animals as well as the Plant Life DO directly or indirectly aid the Evolution of Creation. Animal Life would do so, in their own Spiritual way: and their Spiritual In-put, if you will...is also a very important contribution. After all: THEY TOO....have a Spirit(and animal-based Consciousness)! And it is also mentioned that Plants in various forms: have a Spirit also! And it speaks for itself, that they too....Contribute to Creation in their own manner of manifestation. But, of course, the above mentioned, do manifest Spiritually in a different manner, than a human being(Spiritual(ly): Human-based Consciousness). We must not forget: that the Plant Life(Flora) and Animal Life(Fauna) forms were Created before man, and thus: from the begin moment of (their) Creation....THEY HAD A PURPOSE! And as later on: MAN also. They all manifest in different Spiritual Levels: but their main objective is to (more or less) Separately contribute to Creation: SPIRITUALLY (Energies... etc..)! Sirashwin: please take heed to Robjna's posting: you can benefit greatly from her advice. Edward. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Bob and Edward Thanks for your posts. Dear Robjna To honestly say it has been a while since i was wondering why no one in the forum had not yet advised me on this, especially the moderators. You are very right in what you have said, and i shall never ever take it in the wrong sense  . The problem is i came to know of Billy and his mission only towards the end of last year. Actually i learned of his mission in the beginning of this year. Infact at times i feel very 'guilty' and 'stupid' of not knowing all this earlier on in my life. Also i fear Billy's death; i want to learn as much as i can as quickly as possible. My friend (17yrs) and myself (16yrs) are the only ones who know about Billy, and it at times can be very frustrating. Sometimes when sitting in class, especially during Chemistry lessons, i just stare out of the window and think how different this all would have been if i were born somewhere near Smichdrüti. I just feel like meeting more people aware of Billy and the mission, move with them, talk with them, eat with them..... But i know i must take responsibility of my life myself, and leave it on no one else. It's been high time i "pull up my socks". I have always seen the forum members as my foster parents and will always continue to do so. I would like to convey my deepest regards for your concern and intentions for my welfare, so much like a mother. Thanking You With Love and Regards ashwin | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 883 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Sirashwin.... I Sensed, that you are/were young of age, by your Innocent but Wise way of asking your questions, here. You are indeed, Open for the Billy Meier Experience, and have a Hunger For Knowledge...which is unmeasurable; which is a very very excellent trait! We, just do our best, to supply you with what Knowledge we posses. Sometimes we KNOW....and sometimes we DO NOT KNOW! After all: WE TOO...are Human Beings, and Learning, just as you. Please do try, and utilize the Search engine, if you will? Try to Study on your own, at your own pace? If you have further questions, than...do not hesitate to ask, OK? Pleasant Studying...and Knowledge Be With You..... Edward. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 547 Registered: 06-2000 |
Bulletin 61 has been partly translated . The rest will be trans-latered . http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierb61.htm Thanks to Dyson and Vivienne . Mark Campbell | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 06-2007 |
Here I am again. I am the twin brother of Incredible, the one that meditates from 6 years ago, thanks to the teachings of Billy Meier. I write this post because a want to know something about the 144207 Lyrans. I read the effects that produced the activation of the code in Billy Meyer and surprisingly it is similar to something that happened to my in may 19 years old. At the moment I am 33 years old and from 1995 that event had left me very bestirred. At this time I have a great suspicion that I am one of those people due the things said by Billy Meyer and other things that happened to me during my childhood. How are you able to help me in this matter? "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 554 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Incredible twin ; In my opinion , you can help yourself by continuing your meditation . It's a sincere effort that produces results . You're not looking to fool yourself or flatter yourself , but to get some insights . More than anything , it's more important to focus on your life now than an older one . If past lives were more important than they are , then your last one would be more relevant than from thousands of years ago , because the world was more similar in your last life . Maybe you could start there . Mark Campbell | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 06-2007 |
Thank you for the advice Markc... You are carrying a very important mission. I think that if all people in the world meditated, the world would be different. My brother also feels interest for the teachings of Billy and for that reason he is inscribed in this forum. However, I have treated that my twin brother begins to meditate but he never begins. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 385 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello brother of Incredible. The point (respectfully intended) is that it does not matter one iota whether or not you or I or anyone is one of those people you mentioned. The point is that you must evolve from where you are NOW and BEAM has pointed out that people only tend to get egoistic in relation to wanting to know their spiritual level. It, in my opinion, makes no difference to you whether or not you fit into that group of people. What matters is what you are doing in and with your life now. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 321 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey there incredibles twin, i too felt like you at one point, it was when i first found out about billy, as i would read certain pieces of info, some interested me more than other bits (regardless of the others significance or importance) certain themes and topics just seemed to pull me in like a strong megnet so to speak. then there were many "coincidences" in regards to what i read, felt, and thought and deduced through logical thinking. these days i spend less time thinking about it, as thinking turned into fantasy, and then they got jumbled up together, thus presenting an unhealthy problem for me. so in conclusion i say to you this from my own experience.... if you feel something, and it's strong, and it wont leave your mind, dig deeper into it. if there's something important for you to find regarding a past life, open yourself up to the chance, and well... if theres water behind the floodfates, you will surely feel it when you open up the gates. i have learned that if there is something important to be discovered, go out and seek it, and you will be more suprised than ever expected. the people on this forum cant give you the answers to your questions, but you can find many clues. dreams are a good start, look back at your dreams, any that really stick out or stand in the forefront of your memory. good luck, it's a fun journey | ||
Karlsult New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hi, I have one question please. I heard something (but not sure if it's from Billy Meier). Is it true that extreme sports like wrestling are bad for our evolution/spirit? I ask cause I feel I am going to do extreme sports as a career... Thanks, Karl http://www.deletespyware-adware.com/ | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1325 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Karl, It's not that it is bad for the spirit (the spirit cannot be hurt), but it is hard on the body and can shorten a person's lifespan. In my opinion the longer you live, the more chances you have to learn and grow, which is part of evolution. Regards Scott | ||
Karlsult Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hi, Thanks, fast reply. I understand. I had to get this 'worry' off my mind Karl http://www.deletespyware-adware.com/ | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Scott, But how can sports shorten a person's life span?  Are you saying, its because of the risk involved, that a person may die while trying such things? Salome Aditya PS:- Where is Badr? | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hey Karlsult, I was asking myself the same thing this week. I came to the same conclusion Scott did ,it only hurts your body not your spirit. That's a releif for me since i want to get into wrestling. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1326 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Aditya, I asked this question to Jacob, one of the moderators recently: When a person lives their life, is the amount of time they are alive predetermined? Answer: The length of a human life is not predetermined, its not like you would be living 79 years, 3 months and 5 minutes past midnight and then you would die, there are many factors included that can shorten or prolong a lifespan of a human, and those factors are genetics, nutrition, cult-religious beliefs or consciousness-related / spiritual development, etc, etc, etc Also the lifestyle of a human is very important for lifespan, people who do extreme sports often overburden their bodies and can reduce the lifespan of their body months or even years, they are at least at a higher risk. For the Earth-human the maximum lifespan (known to me), caused by the genetic manipulations of the creator-overlords is about 115 years, 120 years tops, this is a theoretical maximum only a ‘happy’ few can reach. If it is in your genes to live about 80 years, it is still possible to live 85 or maybe 90 years if you live healthy, eat good foods, study and learn spiritual teachings, however, this does not shield you against any accidents that may happen which shorten your lifespan. Lifespan is not fixated, but in a constant state of flux, always changing for the better or worse depending how you live your life in the present. Badr has been on vacation and should return shortly..hopefully soon I need the help Regards Scott | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Scott I know you are busy with large number of posts in the forum, as Badr is on leave; but does extreme sports, violent sports, violent video games ..... have an affect on the psyche? Because i read in gaiaguys.net that todays unharmonic music is not good. Thanking You ashwin | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1327 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Ashwin, As I understand it, the nervous system is an extension of the psyche which is used for sensing etc...when one hears harmonious music it can have a soothing affect on the psyche/nervous system, which produces calm and peaceful feelings. If you watch or play violent video games, it can have a disruptive or agitating quality to the nervous system, which can cause an imbalance in the feelings, which in affect could affect ones behavior as I see it. I think this can be seen when a group of people for instance at a sporting event start to get violent, and before you know it everyone is feeling angry and aggressive, because everyone is picking up through thier psyches the angry aggressive energy..I think another thing which is affecting people is the electromagnetic pollution that is everywhere on this planet. From overhead power lines, assorted electrical appliances, cell phones, microwave towers etc....I guess in a sense this could be traced back to overpopulation, because there are too many people which reduces peoples tolerance to each other, which increases the level of violence an aggressive behaviors. Regards Scott | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 911 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Sirashiwn and Scott.... Very good described, Scott. Billy did mentioned that even Soccer is also related to an additional Lobe, which I guess would indeed have association to the much Violence within the supports. Was always my opinion, also. Billy just Confirmed. Thus, Soccer has indeed...become a very very Violent type of sport, compared to how it was played over 3 decades ago; I enjoy watching the old black and white games, because they are so - innocent -, and One sees soccer at it's best, without anyone trying to break each others legs, or what ever. So, the way soccer is being played today - Reflects - back onto the supports. It can indeed - incite - the supporters even more...into becoming very Violent. Personally, I do not approve of the so-called Extreme Fighting sports; which is nothing but inhuman behavior. But, most of us will know: that THAT is all about MONEY. Just like the rest of such related so-called Sports. I personally, do not find beating each others head in....: a Sport! Again, this is just a Deluded interpretation. One can Box or practice Martial Arts for - Defense -, which is no problem. Even Billy was/is a well Martial Arts practitioner. And doing the Martial Arts stances and movements, imaginary...is very Positive for One's Mind and Spirit, to gain (the needed) Equilibrium. Even the (War and such) Video Games, have become very Degrading, is my opinion. So much Violence, and this is suppose to be FUN. Well, one would indeed have a very Unbalanced mind to think so, I would say. But it is a matter of One's State Of Mind, I guess. One that is much more/ higher developed....would think other wise, not? And in some cases, this would also be the case the Un-harmonized music sorts. I still consider myself very fortunate to have experienced the music scene very Consciously. Have seen very interesting bands as well as non interesting bands. My preferences was in the direction of the Harmonized bands. Being a musician(guitarist) I always loved to Perfection, my playing to a state that it was Functional. Specially, in the direction of Classic guitar or acoustic finger picking, I sought to go into a direction which would have Positive Effect....on a being. So, I can truly understand what Semjase mentioned about our today's music sorts. Just like the Plant life: Music does have effect on us human beings. Too much Heavy music(Aggressively) can kill a plant, and Subtle (soft) music(Passively) can let the plant grow as it should, without dying prematurely. Thus, we can indeed enjoy both types of music forms, but in a Balanced manner; to be not Too Aggressive or Too Passive; we should reach our Equilibrium. Thus, the mentioned above would indeed have Effect on our Psyche, I would think: Directly or Indirectly. Edward. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 06-2007 |
Edward: In the tv show called myth busters the myth busters performed some experiments and they come to the conclusion that the music and sounds don't affect the plants. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hey guys. I was wondering if you could answer this question i have. Like i mentioned before i would like to make a career in the pro wrestling buisness and i was just now wondering will that in any way slow down my evolution or trap my spirit like religion does to religious folks. Also would it go against some law of creation. I'm asking this since there is a fair amount of violence in wrestling. Now i know this may come as a surprise to some of you but wrestling is actually real, it's fixed but real. No i'm not into wrestling cause of the violence, i'm a very peacefull person. i just like it cause i see it as an art. the art of wrestling. i know many of you won't understand that and i guess it's understandable, you really have to like wrestling to enjoy the craft. thanks for your time dave | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 03-2007 |
You are right about soccer. Here in Italy people go crazy for violent soccer and I hate it and I never watch it since 20 years ago, because degenerated. | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Dave, Yes i understand your desire for wrestling, but don't you think wrestling nowadays has become very very violent, back in the 70's and 80's it used to be fair and a fine sport, but today it is becoming violent by the day. Also, nowdays wrestling involvs a lot of risks, a person can even get killed by it. Which would not be Creation's way, i think. You are a fine person and nobody will challenge your peacefull nature, but i request you to think up another sport. You can go into Martial Arts, which is more disciplined in its approach, and is only for self defence, you can then go for competitions and become a champion. Salome Aditya | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Scott, Thanks for the information, that sets a lot of meaning in my mind. Salome Aditya | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 174 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Scott and Edward, Very well said. I agree with what you both said about sports being no good, both for the players and the fans/spectators. But how the sport of golf? Not the professional level, but the weekend golf the masses enjoy playing. Most people enjoy playing their own game and have no interest in trying to beat any people they are grouped with. Most people play for relaxation or just to unwind and so on. It is the most popular recreational sport/pastime in the world. I love playing golf nearly every weekend and think it should be an exception to all other sports. I wonder if Billy or the P's have ever said anything about Golf. I also wonder if any past visiting ET's have taking Golf back to their home planet to play, like the P's taken the game of Chess back to theirs. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1329 Registered: 12-1999 |
While this discussion is interesting, I think if it continues, we need to move it to a more appropriate area. Thanks Scott | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 06-2006 |
Scott, I thought it still might be appropriate here if that is okay? with regard to the spiritual teachings, evolution and sport, I do have in my mind from my readings over times, that the problem with sport other than what has been mentioned so far by others, is that it is usually an ego-driven pursuit. Billy has discussed with Ptaah and Quetzal at different times, issues with the Olympics for example, and doping -- where the main drive behind this kind of sport is profit, glory, victory, and attending respect/status from it all. Froma sociological perspective, sports where there is a crowd and two sides eg., football and other such sports, these are thought to be mans outlet for fighting, as being 'civilised' and having lots of laws, man made making fighting punishable, these outlets become legitimate forms of 'fighting'. Nationalism also falls under this banner. Pride in ones team, country, etc..... is singling oneself out from others -- it is the reason we have wars and fight over lands. This tendency we still have in our societies is barbaric to the Plejaren. I remember reading that they were stunned that we engaged in such things. They don't have this kind of thing in their society. So, my interpretation of all this is that if one wants to evolve spiritually, one must exist free of the binds of the ego, and follow creational laws. Betting, getting excited over a coming match, game etc... pulls one back into this less evolved state of 'winning' sides, and a feeling of pride that goes along with it. The emotional excitement also means the psyche is imbalanced. So, all round, competitive sports and more importantly the reason anything is undertaken, not just sport but anything, has to be in line with creational law. If not, then it holds one back from evolving. Sorry for the ramble Robjna | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 912 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Incredible.... Well, a couple of decades ago a female researcher did - Sound and it's Effects on Plant Life - research, which she did for MANY Years. I would think that, from that MANY YEARS of experience, she may have indeed come to the correct conclusion. I do watch the Mythbusters so every now and than, and they do good work, but in the case of Sound and it's Influence on Plant Life and Human, I think otherwise. I will stick to the Female researcher, if you will. Because she has had Many Years of experience compared to the short epo the Mythbusters presentate, to us. That would just be TOO SHORT of a time to really come to the Correct Conclusion![there can still be many factors they may have missed!?] Even today, (HEAVY-Music, or Low Osculations) SOUND is being utilized in Warfare! So, the Defense department obtained this idea from somewhere(see above)! And from my own study of Music and it's Effects: I would agree with the Female Researcher! These days there are even - Music Therapies -, which help remedy certain illnesses; it be Mental or otherwise. The rest of the study concerning this subject: YOU will have to Discover YOURSELF! Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 913 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Vestri..... I always did love to play Midget Golf... I, alas, never had the possibility to play Golf, itself. But, I can say, that the Midget Golf does help in a sort of - Meditative - way. It does ask One to Concentrate, Focus...and to Perfection, and to attain it's objective...which is hitting the golf ball in the hole. Thus, I would say it does have very Positive Effect one One's Spirit as well as One's Consciousness, Physical Body as well as One's Mental State(of Mind). Thus, One is indeed directing One's SELF to an Equilibrium, within Oneself. So, it be Midget Golf or even Golf itself, it would be a very Positive sport to practice, I would say.[Same Effect, I have with Bow(and arrow) shutting: I really come to INNER Peace/Rest; very "Spiritual" Enhancing, if you will] Edward. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 176 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Edward, if you loved playing mini golf, then you would love playing full sized golf. Yes your dead right about golf having a very positive effect on One's Spirit as well as One's Consciousness, Physical Body as well as One's Mental State(of Mind) too. Only by playing Golf can one experience this and know what we mean. Thats why Golf is the most popular recreational sport/pastime in the world. The vast majority of people that play Golf on weekends do not play the game to try to beat anyone but just play the game purely for the pleasure and fun of playing it. Many other reasons too, such as to unwind, exercise, ect. It a game of concentration, balance, logic (planing your shot or next shot) exercise and so on, and best thing is that its the only ball sport/game that people can get better with age. This is why so many people around the world thoroughly enjoy playing golf till the day they die. People do not play it to win but purely for the fun and benefits of it. This is why i think golf is an exception to all other sports because its not really a sport game unless you want it be one. And this is why I wondered what Billy or the P's would think/say about the game of golf, but not the professional level but the weekend game that so many normal people round the world enjoy playing. | ||
J_rod7 New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2007 |
Greetings with Love and Gratitude, Scott, in answer to your question: " ...the Kaloo?? Where did you hear about these "people"?... Perhaps you would care to share with us how you have come to this conclusion. " My current knowledge of the KALOO comes to me from several sources, the most comprehensive discussion of the KALOO is found in the book entitled: The Essenes, Children of the Light , ( Part II, pages 26 -32 ), by authors: Stuart Wilson and Joanna Prentis. This book is available from Ozark Mountain ( Publishers ) at: www.ozarkmt.com , P.O. Box 754, Huntsville, AR 72740, 1-800-935-0045. This book is highly recommended to anyone interested in their own spiritual growth, for its' insights and wisdom, and I do suggest that you read the entire book for proper context. Additionally, I also recommend this book: Jesus and The Essenes , by author: Dolores Cannon; from the same publisher ( above ). In response to Edward: " Perhaps they [KALOO] may have taught the Essenes their knowledge, but...as far as I know, they (Essenes) had never taught Jmmanuel! In the contrary: Jmmanuel, did not want anything to do with the Essenes! They too, like many, were of Cult Religious in nature, which Jmmanuel truly disgusted. " Let me only say to you: beware of letting yourself fall into a cult mind-set. As I read The Talumd of Jmmanuel , I am grateful that the knowledge of reincarnation is restored to the people of Earth. However, I question what may be the authors intent when where it states "But Jmmanual was afraid..." (TJ 35:14). Since Jmmanual came to teach the new Law of Love = Love of the Creation for all life; that our responsibility once we know this Law, is to Love one another without prejudice or judjement; that Love is the fundemental basis of all creation; and that where there is Love there can be no fear. Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hi everybody, In the 10th contact the 57th point states "A human who is filled with love is also rich in wisdom, and a human who is rich in wisdom is also full of love." But aren't there some people who have become JHWHs and are still very cruel. Salome Aditya | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 942 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Aditya.... Yes, in the past, that had been so. Billy explains: The result was that God, as a King of Wisdom, was removed and the people turned him into a Creator-God who, allegedly, had created the Earth, the sun and outer space. Numerous individuals, such as Jehovah and many others, even claimed of themselves to be Creator-Gods with the consequence that they were also revered and worshiped. One thing led to another and soon the original meaning of the word "God" was forgotten and, consequently, the purported Creator-Gods were able to victoriously march into the realm of the people's religions, sects and faiths. Thus, Aditya, Jehovah was not a JHWH/Ischwsch(King Of Wisdom), for example...but: a JHFH/Ischfsch, a 'King Of Falsehoods...etc.' And that is why Jehovah carried the name "Jehovah The Cruel." Which Literally...fits his character/personality! Thus, we must make clear distinction between a - JHWH/Ischwsch and a JHFH/ Ischfsch -. Jehovah, as many others before him, and after him, did comprehend how his/ their Knowledge and Wisdom could be converted into a Powerful Tool, if you will, to Enslave mankind, to his/their(JHFH) likings. So, it can happen that they could 'Consciously' Degenerate themselves...into an Un-humanly Degenerated being(of leadership). Thus, One can indeed, Convert One's Wisdom and Love into Unwise and Hate, on a dime, so to speak. Having POWER can be very Addictive! Just like Materialism: Once you've Tasted it....: You Want MORE! Edward. | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Edward, Thanks a lot , I never knew that there was a term like JHFH. I always had this doubt in my mind. Salome Aditya | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 05-2007 |
Greetings Well in the Spiritual terminology section only JHWH and JHRH are mentioned. I guess JHFH should also be included. But Edward is JHFH used for both males and females? Thanking You ashwin | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 945 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Sirashwin.... I think myself, that it can be applied. As far as I know, (confirmed) I have not come across a Female JHFH in Billy's materials, but I would not close out that such Female JHRH would have existed, in the past. Though, it is mentioned, a (JHWH & JHRH) lineage/family with great Knowledge and Wisdom, but the whole family Misused their Knowledge and Wisdom, Male as well as Female; and yes, the Female was also conspiring (within the family, as well as) against the people they made into Slaves. So, I would think, that the Female did have Knowledge and Wisdom and may have indeed have been a JHRH (to some point), but/and also went with the grain as her family Male members, and thus, it would speak for itself and be very obvious....that we can indeed INCLUDE the Female to the mentioned title: JHFH/'King Of Falsehoods' but than as 'Queen of Falsehoods'...etc. Thus, the above mentioned Family, would just be a "Reverse" of Ptaah and his daughter(s)(Semjase...etc.)..in similarity. So, the possibility would indeed be present. Edward. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 06-2007 |
About the mytology: Who where the Gods of the Olympus? Extraterrestrials? inventions of the peoples? Who was the Goddess Afrodite or Venus? "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
Kiwilove Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 02-2005 |
I just like to mention something about sport. I do play volleyball and table tennis - and I play these for the fun and exercise, and not really for 'competition'. When these are played socially - the score (and winning) doesn't really matter - because there are no prizes or accolades, etc. Like in martial arts - I believe you can align yourself with the spiritual aspect, like being at one with yourself - like Zen in archery - somehow the arrow will find it's target. In volleyball you aim to hit the ball inside the court area, and in table tennis you try for the edge of the table. I do find repetitive exercises too boring, whereas in sports, a lot of different positive feelings can come together. Volleyball has the team support aspect to it - and when you play against another team, at the end - there is the acknowledgement of an enjoyable game completed. Of course, there are better players than others - but even good players have to start somewhere. That in sport - practice makes perfect, and the keep on trying attitude eventually helps you to improve - and so it is a good illustration of life and skills. I don't like full contact sports, and so I think volleyball and table tennis are very special sports that are suitable for all ages, and ones in which you can play for a very long time, helping you to live a better quality of life. Harvey | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 289 Registered: 07-2004 |
I surf and being in the ocean has a strange grounding effect where all baggage, attachments and worries dissolve as the water covers your body. On days where the waves are big and challenging it becomes clear to yourself what your made of and the awareness you have created with your thoughts. To be inattentive when conditions are dangerous only happens once as you surely will discover your survival depends on how well one can focus when your life is on the line. While there are competitions, the act of surfing is you against yourself, because nature will do exactly what it is meant to do and you try to interact with it as a part and not as a conqueror. As a sport I feel this would be an acceptable form of exercise that is a correct Creational action for the spirit as well as the body. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Shawn I have some thoughts on this if that is ok. If the body is the tool of the spirit, and the spirit can only evolve if the body has experiences it can learn from, then I cannot see the logic in voluntarily placing one's 'tool of the spirit' in mortal danger, that requires one to be fully focused and alert in order to be safe and survive. Is it not our obligation to Creation, that we steer our material existence to evolution of the spirit? Maintaining good health, is necessary for the psyche to be in good health, which is necessary for the spirit to gain wisdom and evolve, therefore, as far as I can see it, the partaking of activities that place one knowingly in danger seems to me to be against Creational law. The difference between humans and animals and plants is that we have higher faculties of reason, and therefore we are obligated to use those higher faculties or we are no better than plants and animals. But even that is not correct, as as far as i can see, plants and animals do not knowingly place themselves in danger. It is my contention, at this point in time, that the pleasure one gains from engaging in sports (or any activity for that matter), is purley material and part of the vegetative system of our material bodies, and therefore not of use to the spirit, however, on that note, learnings that come from engaging in those sports or activities, that bring knowledge that is logical and matching spirit's pure form, will be useful. But, continuing to engage in the dangerous ones, after realising this, is not from my perspective in line with Creational law. Engaging in an activity for ones pleasure, whether competing against others, or against oneself, is in my opinion, purely material and ego driven. I am currently doing a translation about the psyche and its involvement in pleasure and pain etc... that I will share with the forum shortly. in peace Robjna | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 06-2006 |
Shawn, To add to my previous post -- I do not wish to downplay the meditative state that you likely were describing in your post -- of course, that is a desirable one and of course, will place you in a state that is conducive to logical thought which obviously is the goal --- that being said though, I wonder if clarity of thought is able to be present when one has placed oneself unnecessarily in the path of impending danger? Meditative states can be achieved in every activity as you no doubt are aware -- it was the part you mentioned about the danger that I was addressing, as well as the 'pleasure' that achieving something gives us -- these two matters are what I was referring to. Robjna | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 290 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Robjna, I appreciate your response. It's nice to know that someone is willing to explore what I post. I should clarify a little bit of what I was explaining. We place ourselves in danger everyday. Crossing the street can be life threatening. Eating at a public restaurant can be dangerous. When I began surfing I didn't surf on days that were to advanced for my skill level. As I progressed I became able to challenge heavier conditions and caused a strong positive reaction in my personal confidence to do the right thing. The choices you make while surfing are split second decisions. These skills I acquired translate over to life in certain situations that have made me a better person. Along with mental and physical skills, I learned a love for nature by being so close to it, and knowing that what effected the ocean directly effects me. I stopped littering when I began surfing. While your right that ego is involved, that isn't a wrong thing. Our ego's are necessary to help us survive in the world. It's only a problem when the ego gets out of hand causing an imbalance in the personality. And surfing also makes me happy. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 949 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Incredible..... Your QUESTION IS (amongst others) YOUR ANSWER!!! Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 950 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Shawn and Harvey.... I would agree, that your sports selections can be Positive for your Psyche as well as for your Spirit(-consciousness). You experience life as you Wish, also in a Natural way, and in any sports these days there are the aspects of Danger; being hurt, some way or another, which speaks for itself, and which is Obvious and Logical. I can understand you, when your sports selections can give you a sense of Relaxation, in your Psyche as well as your Spirit. There are sports that can relieve One from his/her todays Stress and so forth. Competition is Healthy, for One's Ego and Self, I would say. One experiences the Positive Energy of Over-winning, to One's contentment, which is naturally, the generating of Positive Energies for the mentioned. And, when the mentioned has manifested itself: than, One is Boosted with Joy and the abundance of the mentioned energie(s). And One is another Life Experience Richer! So, Competition is just as Healthy! There is nothing wrong with that. Just do not be a Sore Loser! A Sore Loser is - The Pinnacle Of Negative Generated Energies! Which is NOT aligned with Creation's main purpose. Thus, ALWAYS be a Sportive Good Loser, which will than still be aligned with Creation's Main purpose: which accumulates(Positive energies) itself for the betterment of Creation in it's further Existence and Expansion, as well as for One's SELF! As long as the sport is not - Beating Each Others Head In -, to Bloodshed: than I see no reason One should practice the/your sport(s) concerning. A Sport generating Bloodshed, should not even be called a Sport! It is just pure "amusement", for the Weak...in Mind, and whom can not see the Degrading factors and aspects it generates towards Creational Laws, and Teachings.[i.e. reminiscent to Roman times in Colosseums!] Sport, for Relaxation and Reflection: easing, the Mind, the Psyche, the Spirit, the Gemuet and the Consciousness and Beyond....to an Equilibrium State Of Being. Than YOU are still living in unison with the Laws Of Nature and (The) CREATION. Edward. | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Edward, Even nowadays, when there is that Bull fighting competition, some people enjoy the bloodshed, either to the Bull or the Bull-fighter. Its not right, i feel. After the Bull is dead the people eat the bull. Salome Aditya PS: Thanks for your other posts. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 256 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Edward, Regarding your sentence „Competition is Healthy, for One's Ego and Self, I would say.” I remembered a nice small booklet Billy wrote called “Sieger und Verlierer” just thought you and others might be interested in how Billy advices us to approach this topic. Most people prefer to be winners then losers, mainly for the fact that it boosts their ego. And many see it as they are in constant competition which they always need to be the winners and the better ones. And many are promoted to feel better while the other one loses and is labeled a loser. Is it worth it to degrade or humiliate someone for losing and to feel special because of winning? I think quoting a few things from the booklet would be worth it, as I don’t think I could formulate it better than Billy. please remember this is a non-official non-authorized translation… done by myself ------- Ein wahrer Mensch muss seine Menschlichkeit, Ehre, Ehrfurcht und Würde also nicht auf Kosten anderer in Szene setzen. A true human must not execute his humanness, honour, great respect and dignity at the expenses of others. Gäbe es für solche scheinbare Gewinner und Sieger keine Mitmenschen, die sie irrtümlich als Verlierer betrachten können, dann könnten sie sich auch nicht als Sieger wähnen. If there were no people at whom such ostensible winners and victorious can consider incorrectly as losers, then they could not think of themselves as winners. Sieger sein gegenüber einem Verlierer ist aber nicht mehr als ein irrer Wahn, der sich in kranken Gehirnen bildet, weil ein wahrer Sieger die Grösse besitzt, für seinen Sieg keinen Verlierer zu benötigen. Being a winner towards a loser is not more than a crazy delusion which forms in ill brains because a true winner owns the greatness of not needing a loser for his victory. Ein wirklicher Sieger braucht nur sich selbst, seine eigene Kraft und Energie, seine Intelligenz, seine Gedanken und Gefühle, seine wahre Liebe, die innere Freiheit und Harmonie sowie seine Ausgeglichenheit und seinen wirklichen Frieden in sich selbst sowie in bezug seiner ganzen Umwelt. A real winner only needs himself, his own strength and energy, his intelligence, his thoughts and feelings, his true love, the internal freedom and harmony as well as his balance and his real peace in himself as well as in his whole environment. ------- By the way this is another wonderful booklet although very small it has a lot of wisdom in it. As you can imagine these are just a few small examples of a much deeper explanation of this issue. This is to help out, and not meant to attack anyone. As usual happy to be corrected with any suggestions regarding my English translation. Salome, Badr | ||
Unluckyguy26 New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2007 |
hi! i have a few questions concerning a few books. well i have been searching a lot now that i know about billy. But in my ignorance i didnt know that certaine people were"baned" or disassociated with him. I just realized that a few names are posted on the figu home page that are no more part of the association. I watched some of George Green stuff(thats how i found about billy) on his site so i went and get a free handbook for the new paradigm,i read half way through it and i like the ideas and the concepts illustred in.So i figure that i needed more knowledge on Jmmanuel to start taking some of the erounous teachings out of my belief system so i went and get his whole serie of the handbook for the new paradigm,tapes about allumitati and more, with the talmud. Now my question is, as a seeker of truth and knowledge; since i found out that those people that are not billy's representatives had access to his books how could i know that those books that i have are frauds and the version fo the talmud that i have is the one with the right translation? also i know that the plejaren are no longer here or in contact with no one but billy, why do those people claim that they are? also can you make for me the diference or is there a diference between the god(=ruler over the 3 human races)spoken in the talmud by jmmanuel and jehovah the one mention in the hebrew bible or are they the same? ps: thank you for your last answer. im still new to this | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 298 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi to know if your version of the Talmud is the right one you should compare it with the one you can obtain in www.steelmarkonline.com, which is the official english translation there are all kinds of persons who claim a lot of false things to earn money, to look important before others, or because they are ill and suffer from hallucinations, and a large etc, its the same with them the "god" form the Talmud is not the same than Jehovah, Jehovah was also a human being who lived many centuries ago, he was the cruel leader form an ET group who wanted to reign over all humankind take care | ||
Brian Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 05-2007 |
hello unluckeyguy26 ? The books you ask about are more then likely frauds if not authorized by FIGU or Billy You probably need to check out http://www.gaiaguys.net/georgegreen.htm Good luck Brian | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Unluckyguy26, First, welcome to the Forums of FIGU. You will find many people here who are quite knowledgeable, and you will also find some people here who are young spirits just learning also themselves. If you purchased the books and pamphlets directly from FIGU, then they are the genuine articles. It is true that there have been many frauds, liars, charletans, and deceivers around the Mission. Some have been deliberate disinformation spies from various black-ops government agencies. Jehovah was a human traveler from another star system. He set himself up as a (FALSE) god to enslave the people under his spell and command. For some VERY good books, go to Michael Horns' website at www.TheyFly.com . I recommend that you first purchase and read two books from that site entitled "MESSAGE FROM THE PLEIADES, VOL I", and "MESSAGE FROM THE PLEIADES, VOL II". Next, to read (from the same site). I also recommend the book "An Interview With A UFO Contactee", which has many answers from Billy Meier himself. Another good source is us.figu.org , a little more limited in available selections, but there are the Spiritual Teachings there - worthwhile reading. P.S. Do you REALLY think of yourself as "unlucky"? I have heard the expression "If I didn't have bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all". Bear in mind: what you think of yourself, is what you become. You may wish to change your outlook on life by thinking of yourself in a more positive light. Think of yourself as "lucky", and you will become that. Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Badr, Thanks a lot for the translation. It means a lot. Salome Aditya | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 955 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Badr.... I understand what you mean, and what Billy is referring to. When I refer to "Competition being Healthy", it should be Practiced in a Healthy manner(remember(in the sense): IT IS A GAME). NOT in the sense as you mentioned of: Constant Competition...to create a Selfish Ego which always wants to be a Winner above all; and many are promoted to feel better while the other one loses and is labeled a loser. Is it worth it to degrade or humiliate someone for losing and to feel special because of winning? But, if One does experience Competition in a Degraded and Degenerated manner, than it would indeed apply to what Billy mentions, without doubt, as I also see it to be. As long as there is Competition, One can either see it and be practiced, in a Healthy manner or an Unhealthy manner(which Billy) is referring to. As long as it is here, we should execute/experience it as much as possible in a Healthy manner. Not in a manner/sense that One is Better than the other; which is indeed a "Delusional" perception/concept. I know what Billy means: referring to the so-called "Stuck up" winners. Have encountered them in my lifetime(sports...etc.), also. Which, indeed: becomes an Illness (in state of mind)! I would not doubt Billy saying this! Thus: One can Learn from Winning(be a good and Healthy winner) and from Losing(be a good and Healthy Loser; and learn to correct/improve Oneself, and be a Healthy Winner one day: to Perfect Oneself, as Creation intended it). Thus, this has nothing to do with Egos being Above each other! Certainly Not! Thus, see it in a Positive sense/manner, not in the Negative sense/manner. If it is all up to me: There should NOT be such thing as Competition! And treat each other as Equals. With no distinctions...what so ever. "Being a winner...is just being yourself", as the saying goes. Edward. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 340 Registered: 04-2006 |
Competition is good, at least if we watch competition in the open, in mother nature. Competition in the natural world is good because it follows the creational laws and commandments in a strict way, a strict order.But competition in degeneration leads to imbalance. Competition in the natural world guarantees evolution, it guarantees that only the fittest, strongest and non-degenerate ones survive.That law is 100% logic and 100% perfect. But if we talk about sport or business, things change.Business competition and sport competition have almost nothing to do with the spirit or with noble human values.Those are pure materialistic motivations, based on greed, idolization, passing fame, money....and as such they should be limited, filtered, improved, polished.In the end, he who lives and acts complying with the creational laws and commandments realizes that practices unnoble competition is harming himself and as a result of it, also harms others. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 179 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Hector You have raised a very good point there of competition in the natural world. I never really thought of that! And yes indeed it seems logical and part of the natural process. Regards ashwin | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 286 Registered: 03-2004 |
"Business competition and sport competition have almost nothing to do with the spirit or with noble human values." Hector, you are correct that many degenerate values surround some forms of competition. All of the most popular sports involve aiming and chasing - remnants of old hunting rituals. Those that still place a high level of importance on this type of competition demonstrate a more primitive mindset. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 341 Registered: 01-2004 |
what about the UFC, the ultimate fighting championship. you have on the one hand, 99% of the fighters are ego maniacs or angry people trying to release stress etc. or simply boost their pride and feelings of self worth. on the other hand, you have people who have lots if not great knowledge of the body and techniques, and all the different ways to counter balance an attack or move etc. real logical and creative thinking on ones part, added they do this while in physical pain or comprimising situations, and yet they are clear and level headed enough to come up with a game plan in the moment to moment basis. so you have on one hand a bunch of jocks flexing their pride, and on the other hand, masters of self defense or self destruction, who are basically great problem solvers. so while the ufc is an exploitive money making machine, if practicied with a better sense of morals, such a "sport" can be a great tool for ones own evolution, and infact a great bonding tool. for how can one beat another senseless, and then be hugging and crying as friends after the fight? i think it's a very neutral thing. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 224 Registered: 02-2006 |
Francofiori2004 Member Username: Francofiori2004 Is there on earth any medicinal herb which can improve telepathy, clarvoyance and such? Billy - Yes, there are several of them, one being the „Baum der Erkenntnis“. It contains ibogain which is 100 times more potent than LSD. (radix Tabernanthe). Ibogain can help to neutralize any other psycho drug and to heal a person from drug addiction. etc. Today this bush is only growing in Western Africa. Alan was correct then it seems. Much more info on Ibogain here - http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/6823.html#POST24631 | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 06-2006 |
I have moved this reply from the Meditation section hi Peter see? was it really all that difficult and painful for you? no of course not. It was/is not a matter of whether it is difficult or painful to share information on this forum, it is though a matter of someone, in this case you, complaining that you were not given the information freely by Scott. It was your complaint about it that led me to say what I did. I only answered your query, because it seemed that Scott was not going to for his own reasons whatever they may be, and I also had access to the information reasonably easily. I don't think it is a requirement of being on this forum, that those who have read the material share it every time it is asked of them. And on that note, no-one would purposely refrain from giving information either. It is just that we are all busy, working and learning, as you are, not just the Meier material necessarily, and it does take time to answer things, making sure that it is done correctly so as not to mislead anyone. I will say this, that when someone asks a question on this forum, I am often grateful for it, as I don't often know the answer, but do know that I can find it by searching the books I do have or on the German or this forum, most likely. This takes me time, but often leads me to know more than I did in the beginning. so, all of us here, whether we have books or not, are still learning -- and none of us are obligated to 'teach' others just because we know the answers. It has often been said as you know Peter, that searching for the answers is often part of the learning -- well, it is for me at least. So, I will at times share what I know when appropriate, and will also offer snippets of translations that I think others would like, but I am not obligated to. I like to share, but i don't like to do it to the detriment for someone's own progress. I do take this very seriously, this issue. I understand that there are many reasons why people will choose not to buy the books to find out more information. But, I also don't understand why people seem to think it is so difficult or not important to know the whole picture rather than snippets here and there. It is only when reading the whole book on each topic that one gets a global perception of the material being presented. Reading a German text in this day of technological gadgets, is easy. I am doing it, and if I can, anyone can who is capable of using a forum such as this or any one of the many translation engines available at cost or free on the net. I encourage anyone who wants more depth of understanding to begin with at least one book, and see for themselves how it is not that difficult. Granted, the translation won't be perfect, but it is good enough to catch the meaning. I did it with the meditation book. so, please understand Peter, I am experienced enough to know the variation in the proclivities and circumstances of the various people who are on this forum, so your explanation was not necessary. Of course, you have the right to your perspective and I respect that, but from my perspective, I wish for all of you on this forum, the same at least that I have gained from breaking through the language barrier and reading the Meier books, and adding them to my already existing knowledge gained so far. in peace Robjna | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1366 Registered: 12-1999 |
Peter, To follow-up, this dialouge started as a result of a statement I made in regards to the information concerning the concentration exercises which can be found in the archives of this forum. Because this discussion has come up numerous times, I felt re-posting the same information again was somewhat repetitive, hence I stated it can be located in the archives. I was not trying to hold something back from you or anyone else. Since that statement, no one has made any statements regarding that information, so I assume either my statements fell upon deaf ears, or anyone interested has found what they were looking for. I took it upon myself to locate these exercises which took me about 10 minutes. Here is the link to those exercises: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/5655.html#POST16506 Please don't say "now was that so painful" Scott | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 187 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Scott Thanks a heap. I did start reading the archives but hadn't reached so far to come to that particular post. Regards ashwin | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 344 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello indi, sorry i did not know you are so sensitive, i was only being a light hearted joker. i guess it was wrong of me to try to create a cheerful atmosphere. sorry i tried, and i will be sure to be neither warm and friendly nor cold and mean to you. that would be the best thing it seems. i dont think you are in any position to be speaking for other people. you say we. but you are one person. let everyone else speak on their own behalf. i have heard it all before, and i dont demand anything from anyone okay, i ask, and i do so respectfully. stop trying to paint me as a villain. im trying to be civil. and stop telling me "we are still learning" i am not a cube made of bricks, i know you are learning. i have a brain, and i do realize we are all learning, that needs not even to be said. you too missed my point about scotts link. but you (like us all) are not perfect so i should have expected it. so i think your statement that i was "complaining" is simply ignorant. what is not necessary, is for you to be deeming what is necessary of another person or not. my post was indeed necessary because i wanted to share a thought. and i chose to do so. please tell me what is also not necessary, as you seem to be very confident in your wisdom. i amy as well learn from a great person. hello scott, as i had previously said, i think you missed my point. it didnt bother me that you made a link instead of writing out the info of the meditation and colours. i was throwing some thoughts to you, just wanted to pick your brain. and get a little wisdom from it. if i may respectfully say so, you among others on this forum are often times defensive when nobody is attacking you. do you see this too? that's the thing with assumptions, they leave all sorts of openings for misunderstanding. thank you kindly for the link, i wish i could throw an extra ten minutes to your life span, but i am unable. im not that great. perhaps more german books will do me well. no smiley face here, they dont seem to have an effect. so i'll just say thank you again for the link. thank you for your efforts. | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Scott, Thanks a lot for the link. Salome Aditya | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1367 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Ashwin, Peter and Aditya Your welcome, perhaps I get a little exasperated at times I hope it doesn't come across as being defensive Salome Scott | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 06-2006 |
Peter It saddens me that you would give such a response. However, it seems that is just the way it is. ES IST SO. in peace Robjna | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 346 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey there scott... something that i have noticed while communicating through written dialogue, is that often times ones ideas are not done any justice, they are misunderstood and percieved not according to how they were intended to be understood. speaking of words... i have compiled a list of words that i got from meditation and occasionally (but to a much lesser extent)from a dream here and there. i have tried to look for their meanings but at times am stumped, in a few cases i got the exact translations or meanings. they comprise many different languages from what i gather. for some i can find their language of origin, i will find my word along side other words in that language, but when i translate the entire sentence (not only my word), then all the words are translated except for that word. sometimes my versions are slightly mis-spelled. perhaps anybody else who speaks a language other than english can help? here's the list.... axstaga enaimis taffil souflani bokhoma varju bassaque hellewe s. eligamira ankhar antarah bingel weddel ghaloid schubeck asan arysan agah-hihti-oraht george temple de arun je ne(this is a french phrase, i just dont know the exact spelling) teopochtli panilli penn regarde ce veux ples (this is a french phrase, i just dont know the spelling) bjorn dune-syrusta-emkeim napeer pana hacionox athem temer bacudis pictoro chang shan ho-num mona cetrus I frescon zaraqous nermia alja aw an tamagamu artum mila gitt oxt (pronounced O-Cat) sug wojoho junah bixid glugenheimer vanderhosen orofalo hopefully someone can help somewhat. i already found "varju" , "bjorn" , "pictoro" , "oro" and "falo". being norse, magyr, spanish, aswell as italian words. good luck and thank you in advance if anyone should choose to help. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 227 Registered: 02-2006 |
hello indi, sorry i did not know you are so SENSITIVE, i was only being a light hearted joker. i guess it was wrong of me to try to create a cheerful atmosphere. sorry i tried, and i will be sure to be neither warm and friendly nor cold and mean to you. that would be the best thing it seems.................stop trying to paint me as a VILLIAN..and stop telling me "we are still learning" ..................you too missed my point about scotts link. but you (like us all) are not perfect so i should have expected it. Peter I hope you don't get offended by this, but judging by the way you responsed and said there, IMO you appear to be the one who was being more over sensitive there then what Indi was, not that I really thought she was being that anyway. I think you appear to have taken what she said the wrong way, or at least to the extreme, and the fact that your erroneously percieved Indi was trying to paint you as a villian here, clearly shows/indicates (to me) that you are the one who appears to be by far the more over sensitive person here out of you and Indi, and not as you believe Indi. I hope you don't take my intention or opinion here the wrong way, because I'm just giving it as I honestly seen it from my perspective. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 189 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Peter I am just curious; what all languages do you speak? Salome ashwin | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 341 Registered: 04-2006 |
There exist many ways which lead to realization, "enlightment", progress, spiritual evolution, wisdom, knowledge, harmony, balance, love, respect....all of them noble human values. Meditation is one of the ways which takes you in direct connection with your spirit.But there are different types of meditation.Meditation involving concentration and attentiveness is like a shortcut, like a personal dimension door that takes you directly to the world of fine matter. I personally have achieved zero results with concentration-meditation exercises, nor have i attempted to exercise them yet.I will start with them in the future.I prefer to start reaping the fruits of my spiritual studies learning the basics first.That is recollection of data.First theory, later practice.As the spirit teachings state, there is a difference between Religion and Relegeon. What is relegeon? Relegeon = "putting it back together (knowledge recollected in previous lives)" Now it's time to make an effort and try to re-integrate, to sum up the actual, existing information about life, death, evolution, creation, human values, universal mysteries....it takes an endevour of personal effort and motivation to seek, analyze and integrate the received spiritual data.This way of the spiritual info-data digger has brought me enormous advantage, cognition and understanding. I'd like to suddenly "activate" my 6th and 7th senses, so i'd have full access to the so called fine-matter world.But that is not the case and won't be in this lifetime.Meanwhile, i have other tasks to do, like try to fully understand the creational laws and commandments, and integrate them to my daily life. And i tell u guys.To integrate all those laws and commandments of creation to your daily life is much much more important than having access to the fine matter world.History has told us many times that some highly evolved fallible ones, those JHWH's failed miserabily here on Earth because they stepped aside from the creational laws & commandments, the creational logical order.They had it, but they failed. Just a few personal insights. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 350 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello vestri, no offense taken, i dont want to carry this on and on, so i accept your view and i can certainly see it your way. but i do not agree with you, that should be said. and your judgement is wrong, when i wrote that above quote, i was not mad or worked up. i made it a point to be neutral in thought when writing it. and that's a fact, so i feel no guilt. hello ashwin, i speak english, the canadian kind. i am polish by birth, and i can speak some polish, but i never really do. i took japanese but the only japanese i know now is the lyrics to the japanese songs i listen to here and there. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hey guys, I am going to enroll in the Spirit lessons soon and I was just wondering what do they consist of. Do they come in booklets, what information is in them, you know. Please Reply as soon as possible, | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 269 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Dave, The Spirit Lessons come in groups of 4, so in other words every 4 months you get an A4 size booklet of 4 lessons they are usually around the 50 pages per booklet. I guess you can call it a booklet it’s just A4 pages stapled together. Makes it easier to put it in a folder or binder if one wants to. As for the information or the contents you will need to wait until you get them, if you didn’t already fill out the forms, you are signing it in agreement that you will not share the information within the booklets to other people. It is really an agreement of trust as there is no way for them to find out that you are sharing it, unless someone told them of course. I am sure you might ask yourself why are they strict, it is mainly because the information within the booklets are very powerful and could be used for good or bad, so in signing the forms you agree that you are studying the information for your own growth. And so if someone is interested to know what is in them.. he/she would need to subscribe to the lessons, as in one can try it out for a year and stop any time if no improvement is noticed. Which I doubt would happen if you understand the information written. One thing for sure is that the information is extremely interesting, and is quite detailed in some of the lessons, that is why I advise to start working on German as soon as you can, because I have seen the results of a couple of people showing me their translations, you can cause quite a confusion if you are not experienced enough. But with experience I have noticed that English speaking people can translate quite good but not precise, by experience I mean at least over 1 year of intensive translating. I am not trying to put you off, just that you need to consider spending a lot of time on working with German to get proper translations. I have seen that quick and simplified translation of the Spirit Lessons cause such a confusion that there is no point even starting it. As you would just end up confusing yourself. I guess enough is said… one will learn patience with the lessons :-) you will know what I mean one day Salome, Badr | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 04-2007 |
i was wondering where would these "forms" to sign up for this spiritual lesson booklets? They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 144 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Badr, If you don't mind me asking, are the spirit lessons only in German? Thanks Salome Aditya | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 270 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Syn, You will need to contact FIGU to send it to you by post. http://www.figu.org/ch/verein/kontakt Hi Aditya, Yes it’s only in German and I think that they will not be translated by FIGU anytime soon, to any other language. Salome, Badr | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 10-2007 |
HELLO ORIGINAL_DAVE and ADITYA, Learning to read and speak the High-German is MUCH more useful that any "translator program". The best available is the ROSETTE-STONE language program. If you want to get RosettaStone, it is now on sale from their website at a 10-percent discount from regular price. make sure that your operating system (OS) version will be able to run this program. You should have a set of headphones with microphone. The program has voice recognition built-in, and will check/correct your syntax and pronunciation. Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 148 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Rod, Thanks for the program. I'll try my best, but i'm still in school so it'll be a bit difficult. Also my parents do not beleive in all what I do here, partly maybe because they don't know i'm here. I just want to learn and progress, and if learning german is the best way, I'll definately learn it in the Future. Salome Aditya | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 152 Registered: 05-2007 |
Thanks for the information Badr. J rod, yes it is better to learn german then to translate it and that is why I am looking for language programs. The Rossetta Stone program does sound good but I will not pay 200 plus dollars for it since I think it's too much money to spend on a program. At the moment I'm trying to switch from ICT class to German in school but if I'm not able to do so then I'll be buying a program. I'm not sure if I'll be able to switch. | ||
Jpm New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 06-2008 |
"Is the universe really fair with each life?" No. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 243 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hello Jpm, What makes you think the universe is unfair with each life. Just because humans are unfair in our world doesn't mean the universe is. Every single living thing in this creation-universe, has the chance to evolve either spiritually and conciously or instinctively, as in the case with the animals. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 384 Registered: 04-2006 |
Since you live thousands or even millions of live until you reach the half pure spirit form (about 50-60 million years ) this means you, as well as any human beings, will experience all kind of incarnations, incarnations in which you are rich, incarnations in which you are poor, incarnations in which you are completely healthy and incarnations in which you are hindered. This means the rules of the game are the same for all.They have validity anywhere anyplace anytime. Also, we know there is no karma, but due to cause and effect, what you do and how you act and fell in your previous lives comes back to you like a boomerang through impulses.The living conditions of your actual live grant you a proper evolution.They were established mostly by yourself in your previous life. I agree sometimes lots of people feel like Creation is not fair, but i guess every human being who thinks that has not made a big effort to understand how Creation works, and many pieces of the big puzzle, big picture are missing to him, so he makes a superficial, incomplete trial or judgement of "creation" or call it "the universal consciousness". It seems like you will change your mind when you become wiser, this means you will understand better the concept and manifestations of "the universal consciousness or creation". First of all, people have to completely filter and separate, eliminate from their memories and storage banks the concept of GOD, who where terrible, unjust, unfair entities, so they do not confuse GOD with Creation or The Universal Consciousness.God punishes while Creation does not. So if you want to improve your actual living conditions, then think, act and fell accordingly, to take the best out of you in order to change your environment and living conditions.Nobody can do that for you.Creation won't do that for you.It hasnt do that in the past and wont do that in the future under no exception. This is my personal view, and of course everybody is entitled to disagree and to doubt the validity of my words. |
