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    Norm |
I found this article on Billy on the internet. The Billy Meier case: The simple farmer who talked with the star people Remembering what it took to research the Meier photos two decades ago by Jim Dilettoso, AlienZoo resident ufologist - 05/22/2000 http://www.alienzoo.com/features/d/200005220001.cfm | ||
George Madeyski |
Hello Andrew, This question is buggin me so I like to ask it. That Billy oath that he made 13,000 years ogo. What was that all about or what was the reason for it?. Who were the participants of it? Where did that take place? Can you elaborate on it? Thanks. Regards George | ||
Andrew C. Cossette |
Hello George, What is a "Billy oath?" Moreover, Billy was not alive 13,000 years ago. Regards, Andrew | ||
Norm |
Does Billy know anything about his next incarnation? Will his next incarnation be led to FIGU, or will he start a whole new movement in a different country? | ||
Michael Davo |
Dear Andrew Cossette, As I begin to read "The Heart of Buddhist Meditation" and other writings on this subject, I am coming to appreciate the enormous potential that meditation offers for helping one straighten out his or her confused and tangled thinking. In the long run, the adoption of meditation on a global scale truly seems the only salvation for humanity. Being that meditation seems so deeply integrated into the lives of those at the Semjase Silver Star Center, and that Billy Meier has had mind-boggling and world-shaking influence in previous incarnations, I am led to ask if you know if Mr. Meier, in an incarnation 2,500 years ago, played a significant role in the development of this discipline? Best regards, Michael Davo | ||
Andrew C. Cossette |
Hello dear Michael, I hope you have been well. I don't "know" the answer to your question, but I have pondered along the same lines recently. Personally, I think your cryptic question and hidden assumption could not be too far from the truth -- 2500 years ago, as well as 10,000, eh? It would seem to hold true that Mr. Meier, in earlier incarnations, has had much more of an influence on past and present evolution that many would think or even speculate. Truly, since the time of Henok, much influence has been imprinted. So much so, that this information is in the process of being corrected in the present time in his many books. Kind regards, Andrew C. Cossette | ||
Mario |
Hello Forum, I have spent some time analyising the photos of the Asket and Nera american look-alikes and my conclusion is, despite the evident forgerie admitted by Billy, that is easier to believe those photos are authentic than to find how they were forged. There are many sides to see these photos. If they were taken from the Dean Martin Show, then the photos must have been made directly from the original tape as they don't show the known blue-red-green dots from a tv screen. The Dean Martin Show was on the air for eleven seasons, from 1965 to 1974. I need to know if swiss television was broadcasting re-runs of the show in 1975, when the photos were taken. If so, how could Billy know when Tara and Susan Lund (the american dancers) were going to appear and why could he risk his mission using photos of known artists who could sue him because of using their image? If the photos were made off the original videotapes, then it means Billy was a memeber of the production staff of the show, which is quite ridiculous to me. Maybe K.K. should explain this. Then, if you see the photos, one of them shows a man sitting in the back seat of a car, just behind Nera/Susan Lund. He's not noticeable at first sight, but he is there. Maybe Billy could recognise him. You can see the photo in the "Proof" panel in this FIGU website. If the negatives still exist, we could see the photos before and after these ones, so we could determine if all the pictures in the negative were damaged by the ship's forces. If only these Asket and Nera photos are altered by the ship's forces, then the negative is not the original. Did Billy notice this situation at the time? I don't know how Asket and Nera look like, but I compared Billy's pictures and actual Tara and Susan Lund photos and I see some notable differences between Asket and Tara. Susan Lund made a modest career in the years after the Martin Show and her son became a star child. No one has heard of or seen Tara since... 1975. I was told so by The Dean Martin Fan Center last august. It's hard to believe that Billy took these photos from a TV monitor. He is very smart and if he really was a fraud, then he would use some unknwon women for that purpose. And it's interesting that the american ladies never went public to ask for an explanation or even to manifest their surprise for being considered "extraterrestrials". I would like to know if there are some analysis or a serious investigation on this matter. If so, please let me know. Best regards, Mario Fernando | ||
Scott B. |
Hello Mario Those are some interesting points you bring up. You made a statement which maybe you could clarify. "I don't know how Asket and Nera look like, but I compared Billy's pictures and actual Tara and Susan Lund photos and I see some notable differences between Asket and Tara." You said you see some notable differences between Asket and Tara, is their a photo or image available which depicts what Asket looks like to make this comparison? A few years ago, I found a German Web sight which displayed various images from the Dean Martin show which these woman played parts. There maybe more images available, but I felt this was a definite likeness to the person depicted as Asket in Billy's photos. Salome Scott B. | ||
Scott B. |
Hello Let me try the image again, I thought I did everything right? Scott  | ||
Mario |
Hello Scott, Yes, it's my fault. I must make a correction: "I don't know how Asket and Nera look like, but I compared Billy's pictures and actual Tara and Susan Lund photos and I see some notable differences between ASKET/TARA and Tara", because in Billy's photo it's evident that there are two faces that don't match perfectly, though they are very similar. This photo you posted it's good enough to see those differences: the eyebrows, the size of the nose, the forehead in ASKET/Tara is a little smaller... One more point: Billy took some other photos from inside of a ship. The famous unseen photos of the San Francisco earthquake (which I think is very near in time) and those from an encounter in outer space between russians and americans (Apollo-Soyuz, I don't remember well). The distortion of those photos of russian-american spacecraft is consistent with Asket and Nera pictures, later forged. Again, as I am not able to go to the S.S.S.C. to see the photos for myself, not by now, I would like to know if someone who has seen them can bring up a solid clarification. Thanks, Mario Fernando | ||
Scott B. |
Hi Mario Thanks for the followup. You know I studied the blurred image of "Asket and Nera" and sure enough I can see the outline of a man's face behind the image of Nera. Also it appears that their is a person to her right, but I cant see any part of the head. If this image was generated from a photo of the TV show, then possibly this dual exposure occurred just as one scene was changing into another. I dont see a car, but possibly what appears to be the side of a car, from about the bottom of the side windows to the top of the windows. Either way this too me would indicate that the photos were generated from some type of video source rather then a simple distortion due to a camera being out of focus. I know it has been stated that the energy forces inside various Plejaran ships have distorted some of the various images, but I dont think those distortions would result in a possible double exposure. Also you mentioned you have been making comparisons between the Tara photos and the Asket/Tara photos on the FIGU websight. Do you have better images other of than what was shown on the Dean Martin Show? Looking through the few images I do have of that show, I found another one which I think is more closer to the facial characteristics of Asket/Tara then the earlier one I posted. Moderator: See image in next post. Thanks Salome Scott | ||
Scott B. |
Hi Mario Sorry, I cant understand why the image wont upload, Ill try one more time.  Thanks Scott | ||
Scott B. |
Hello I just wanted to add one more thing. I took one of the Asket/Nera photos and darkend it a little. If you look behind "Nera" you can see the image of a man fairly easily. This image sort of fits the profile of Dean Martin based on photos of him that I could find. Moderator: See image in next post. Salome Scott B. | ||
Scott B. |
Hello again, I will try one more time,,  | ||
Mario |
Hello Scott, That's what I thought about the man. The photos you have posted are the same ones I saw in a magazine as a proof of the Meier fraud. I insist: you don't need more than that to see the difference in the sort of distortion of a photo taken from a tv screen and the ones provided by Billy. Just take this point into consideration: - What differences do you see in the color of the Tara photos and in Billy's forged photos? Those Tara photos have a stronger color saturation. The entire photos show an irregular color distribution due to the tv monitor, and there are lines all over them. Don't forget tv color screens poor quality in 1974, there were no vcr's and the ones you could get were pretty expensive. ...and just try to take a photo from a tv screen with a camera like the one used by Billy at the time. That could clarify to you many things about this. The Martin Show where the photos were taken was one of the final programs with Frank Sinatra as a guest in summer 1974. I still haven't found the video, but I know there is a man in Cincinnati who offers to get you any american tv show of any tv series of all time. Maybe I can get it from him, and then I'll be sure of something I have noticed in these "proof of the fraud". Meanwhile I can say no more. These ladies, Susan and Tara, came to Mexico in 1972 and made such a scandal with the rest of the Golddigers. There are many pictures of them in magazines and newspapers. Curiously enough, the real/full name of Tara was never known or revealed even to her job mates. At least, that's what they say... (The name Tara comes from a tibetan goddess, just as additional information) Best regards Mario Fernando | ||
Marc Juliano |
Hi Mario, You wrote: "It's hard to believe that Billy took these photos from a TV monitor. He is very smart and if he really was a fraud, then he would use some unknwon women for that purpose. And it's interesting that the american ladies never went public to ask for an explanation or even to manifest their surprise for being considered "extraterrestrials". Billy stated repeatedly that he never made/took/forged these photos from a TV set or elsewhere! Several writeups on the events are in plain English on the FIGU Web site and explain clearly that the Asket/Nera photos were originally manipulated by photographer, Mr. S., who was coerced and threatened by the MiB (Men in Black). I assume you haven't read these articles yet, or maybe you misunderstood them. (Or maybe I've misunderstood you?) The reason the photos look similar to the "look-alikes" on the Dean Martin show, according to Billy's statements, is because stills from the TV show footage (I assume copies or internegatives of frames from the actual film footage itself) were superimposed over the true photographs of Asket (and Nera) taken by Billy Meier in June of 1975. The fact that it was somewhat "well-executed"--if we can call it that--would not only make it possible for Billy to mistake these fake photos for his own over all these years, but would also allow for them to be matched to the TV show ding-a-lings by some careful observer. If you haven't already, I'd suggest that you read the series of FIGU articles (again) to review the stated events. Interestingly, Billy was already told in documented contact conversations from the late 1970s that there existed curiously similar "dopplegangers" of Asket and Nera in America. There is also a contact report from the mid-1980s in which Billy was warned about these photos being fakes--again, documented in black and white years before this situation ever came about. Unfortunately, Billy had his head injury at that time (in the 80s) and neglected to remember the fact that he needed to remove these photos from circulation and make some type of public announcement. When I learn of all the work, stress and recovery that he underwent at the time, it's not hard for me to accept this fact. Hope this makes more sense out of something admittedly outrageous from the get-go. Regards, Marc | ||
Norm |
If somes really good with a PC I bet you could seperate the two merged photos. | ||
Mario |
Hello Marc, Yes I have read those clarifications from the FIGU. You know the truth and are convinced of that because you belong in the FIGU and have talked to Billy and have access to the books and writings. You are into the spiritual side of the case and you don't need more proof about photos or films, etc. I don't either, but Billy is not too known in my region and I have written about the case and recently I was invited to host a radio broadcast about ufo phenomena and the like. I am trying to clean up all the nonsense that has been thrown to the people here. And I tell you: You cannot go public and say: "The proof that Billy is not a fraud about Asket and Nera photos is that an extraterrestrial said so". And yes, the situation was mentioned 25 years ago, but... who knew that before 1998? I think that I can prove that Billy was not involved in these forgeries, without quoting Ptaah, and that's where I am going to. It's not for the FIGU members, it's for the people who is not familiar enough with the case, and where else I can go if not to the place where I can get the most sincere and objetive answers: FIGU itself. I hope my intention is clear now. Best regards Mario | ||
Marc Juliano |
Hi Mario, Yes, your intention was clear regarding trying to clarify a somewhat convoluted situation. I guess I just misinterpreted your earlier posting (occupational hazard... ;). I'm fully aware that when explaining the events of this case to others, such facts need to be presented for digestion by people not yet familiar with the Billy Meier material. But in our example here, wouldn't previously existing (old) contact reports--seen by many potential eyewitnesses--count as a simple (digestable) fact that could easily be checked and verified by those who want to truly research this event? You mentioned: "but... who knew that before 1998?" I would say...many! (including myself) Remember, the contact report that mentioned the look-alikes in America was not only written and distributed in the late 1970s in German, but was published in English by Wendelle Stevens in the early 1980s and was read by potentially hundreds or thousands of people/witnesses. If we pretend Billy Meier forged these photos, I imagine people would find it strange and illogical that Billy publishes an official contact report mentioning the fact that there are look-alikes of Asket and Nera in America, and then he goes ahead and sells photos depicting the Dean Martin women (from America), claiming they are Asket and Nera. That wouldn't qualify as a careful cover-up, in my opinion. Regards, Marc | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Hi Mario, all, Wow...! I can sympathize with someone who is "stuck" trying to prove / disprove this type of thing... (I guess I'm not a "lawyer type"...?)(or maybe I’m not “smart” enough for this type of stuff ?!?!?) ANYTHING whatsoever can be "dragged through the proof mill" to where almost nobody would know what really happened... or where EVERYTHING is being questioned... I like to think of this as being: "where truth turns into politics"... ! Galileo, in his day, ran into this type of thing... but, that is an obvious example, particularly on this board...! Many other examples could be given! I'll bet that it could be proven that I, for example, (myself) don't exist! (or at least to put it into enough doubt that it would not be a "sure thing"?) “Without prejudice”, I am going to simply pose the following questions… How much proof (& what type) is required for any particular individual? Is it perhaps a “function” of “spirit age”? Is this perhaps what Semjase talked about, over and over again… that some people are not “intended?” to “find” the FIGU/Plejaran information? (for now?) That these people should not be logically “coerced” into information they are not spiritually “ready for”? At what point does “presenting logical arguments” turn into “logically coercive missionary work”? On the other hand… (!) Should the “withholding of logical arguments” be denied to anybody willing to listen? Can the “withholding of logical presentations” be taken as “negative” missionary work”? Or… (try this concept out!) If an adequate FIGU representation of any particular “logical representation of truth” is NOT given, can this be taken as a case “against” the truth? Or… Is there such a thing as a “duty” to “logically represent the truth” (in a manner in which others can understand it?)… Or… Is this a logical excuse for “missionary work”? Billy seemed to take the position where any person is entitled to learn… and yet, the Plejarans seemed to take the position where some people should be “excluded” from the information, simply because they weren’t ready? (their involvement would be “counterproductive to the mission”… this is the best I could figure this out!) Or… Is this a different situation entirely? I don’t envy your position, Mario, and I cannot (& will not) “judge” you or the position you are taking with “your audience”… Creation be with you, & Truth be yours, always… Love & Life, JPLagasse | ||
Mario |
Hello Jean Pierre! And I really don't envy a person who can prove he doesn't exist! :D (you should prove it right in front of me!) Yes, just as the same way the Asket/Nera photos, one can take a position regarding any subject that can be interpreted in all conceivable ways, from black to white if you want. "Don't repeat my words like parrots", I think someone you know said something like that, but it's interesting to see how one can be almost forced to shut up when it comes to matters that are "unpleasant". "If you don't know, then ask"... but if you ask then they tell you you are "illogical"... or even "evil" or "dangerous to a mission". I have received no money for my writings and I'm not being paid for my radio program. No one has forced me to "disseminate the truth" nor I am performing "missionary work". I cannot (and I don't want) to push anyone in any direction pro/against the Meier Case. Even the "less evolutioned" person has the right to recognise and decide for him/herself. If you think that presenting real, verifiable proof to people is a performance of "logical coercive missionary work" then I don't know why Billy gave his metal samples to Wendelle Stevens or why he bothered filming and photographing the beamships. And I'm not talking about the nearly 800 photos of extraterrestrial craft he took before 1965! Long ago a man came to Earth to bring Truth. A number of persons followed him and became his disciples. Then these disciples were so jealous about their mission that even the name of the man was changed to Jesus, and hid his normal human nature, because people could not be "ready" for some "information". I wonder if these modern apostles are going to follow the right path this time. And if I'm not mistaken, people who wondered about the real truth, was killed and judged as possesed by the devil at those dark times. If FIGU's position is "we don't talk about those unpleasant matters here", then I'll go my own way as I'm not a FIGU member privileged with "inside" stuff. I ask the FIGU, because I don't want to disseminate false facts or interpretations. And as far as I know there are persons who were "ready for the Truth" and now they are making lots of money with Billy's teachings. I see Don Juan and yaqui "sorcerers" have made a terrible damage to some people... The rule is still the same: People of the United States and europeans really believe they are the only existing people in the world, and in the best situation they give for granted that the rest of us have the obligation to know all about them. Hundreds or thousands of people knew before 1998... in german and english. What a small world you live in... Best regards and thanks for all even if this is not posted in the forum. Mario | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Hello All, My postings are from my own thoughts only, and are not the result of any "privileged inside FIGU information"... (I don’t have access to any such “inside” information!). My own belief is that NO PERSON can speak for another, and as such I cannot speak for FIGU… If I gave that impression, I wish to correct this. It is my own impression that Billy’s information was (at times) presented to him (by various means & occurrences) in such a way to make him LOOK possibly fraudulent to materialistic minded people… This was done by the Plejarans (& others etc.) for reasons which were explained over and over by Semjase etc. As a result, the deeper one digs into the case, one will find more and more reasons not to “believe”, if one is oriented that way. I think the Asket/Nera photos fall into this category… and is only one example. There are PLENTY of others…!! Meier is almost unknown in my part of the globe. Those who do know about him quote disinformation & lies to “prove he is a fraud”. While it might be in everybody’s best interest if this was corrected, for almost all people I have talked to, clearing up this disinformation did little for any recognition or interest towards the authenticity (or importance) of the Meier information. I also find that an accurate representation of the Meier case contains enough “strange material” to repel those who are influenced by disinformation, anyway. It seems as though: the (few) individuals who are “meant” to study the information will do so, regardless of how much or how little effort is put into “convincing” them. Simply informing people about “the information” seems to be sufficient, & then to let “nature take it’s course”. The people themselves will sort out the disinformation, if they are inclined. I think the facts (as provided by Billy’s writings) should be presented AS THEY STAND. If the only “proof” available (to us) is that “The Plejarans (or Billy) said so…”, then that is what should be said. Kindest Regards, JPLagasse | ||
Norm |
Are there any un-released photo's by Billy, that may be released in the future? | ||
Hapax |
What I have to do to or to be, to be contacted by Plejadians? Why Billy is different? | ||
Djihuti |
I wonder how Billy's parents dealt with him as a child holding conference with the Plejarens. There doesn't seem to be any mention of billy's family in any of the writings, or notes that i have read up until now. When Billy's spirit form incarnated as Jmmanuel, crossbreeding with a "celestial son" was necessary. was there any such genetic tampering to bring about his current incarnation? | ||
Andrew C. Cossette |
Hi Djihuti, No, it was not necessary this time around. Regards, Andrew | ||
Roger |
Hi Andrew! How is the work going on - to establish worldwide birth control? Isn't that one of Billy's major concern right now? Or can FIGU do something to get this issue throught to United Nations or a similar mighty organisation? I've hoped that there was a good will to try to do something about it in UN, but I haven't seen any public recommendments yet? And do you believe UN will forbid all religions? On forward thanks! Regards, Roger! | ||
Orim |
Where is Billy now ? | ||
Andrew C. Cossette |
Hello Orim, "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier lives at the Semjase-Silver-Star-Center in Switzerland which is the FIGU Headquarters. Regards, Andrew C. Cossette | ||
Norm |
Another attack on Billy, it never ends! http://www.rense.com/general9/flys.htm | ||
Michael Horn |
The following is from the webmaster/author in response to the letter (at the bottom of the page) that I sent him. My response is in blue. I should add that when I got home today I found a slightly vulgar message from the guy to which sent an email response. I'm willing to post that too if there is interest (no outright profanity.) Michael Horn Mr. Horn I fully expected to hear from both Meier and Adamski "ites" who choose to see what they want to see, and ignore all the evidence to the contrary. Dear James, If you wish to have any credibility here, rather than just a bully pulpit to espouse your opinion and not publish a response then let that be a matter of record on your site. You already launch into the ad hominum, i.e. a Meier "ite", a sure indication that your arsenal of substantiated information is bare. You mention evidence to the contrary with specifics. For the record, I sent you specifics, credentialed scientists, unlike yourself, who came to a contrary opinion. I stated in my article it was 'my opinion' that Meier's photos are a fraud. That doesn't make it so and that doesn't do damage to Meier. Millions of other people also think he's a fraud. Millions of people think Elvis is alive, do you care what they think? Do you base your expert opinion on what other people think or on what YOU think of expert evaluations? Anyone who photographs a UFO must be willing to be subjected to others thinking them a hoaxer. I have published my own UFO experiences at this website, and have absolutely no problem with those who say I am a liar. It comes with the territory. But when one presents photos, one will be examined based on those photos. All other information is absolutely irrelevant. Then, again, why didn't you present the evidence of the experts who examined the photos and films? We have presented both sides of the Meier issue at this site more than once. This piece was by no means meant to draw yet another battery of advocates. Too bad, you just presented it again and you'll draw response and comment from those more knowledgeable than you. There are dozens of sites and books which extol the virtues of Meier and makes claims about his veracity, and plenty of people who believe him to be entirely truthful. I just don't happen to be one of them. In spite of several personal UFO experiences, I am still a powerful skeptic when it comes to every single claim. I've seen footage of Meiers "beam ships" banging into miniature trees as they swung from very fine monofilament line. So did millions of Americans who bothered to watch the program aired by the Amazing Randy in the early 1990s. Since you apparently don't look at anything that contradicts your opinion (based on Randi yet!), I'll nonetheless try again: "Then I discovered that a special effects expert, Wally Gentleman, who for ten years had served as Director of Special Effects on the Canadian Film Board and who, for a year and a half, was director of special photographic effects for Stanley Kubrick's Film 2001, had viewed these same films. This is what he told me: "To produce the films, Meier really had to have a fleet of clever assistants, at least 15 people. And the equipment would be totally out of (Meier's) means. If somebody wanted me to cheat one of the films, $30,000 would probably do it, but this is in studio where the equipment exists. The equipment would cost another $50,000." That's for each of the seven Meier films. Gentleman also had examined the photographs. "My greatest problem is that for anybody faking this" (he pointed to one of the photographs) "the shadow that is thrown onto that tree is correct. Therefore, if somebody is faking it they have an expert there. And being an expert myself, I know that that expert knowledge is very hard to come by. So I say, 'Well, is that expert knowledge there or isn't it there?' Because if the expert knowledge isn't there, this has got to be real." You see, James, Mr. Kubrick hired Mr. Gentleman, not Mr. Amazing, for special effects. Does that tell you something? I don't find his photographs "unduplicatable" at all. Very excellent! Please duplicate some for us, and some film, sound recordings and metal samples as well. I've got one poor professional (literally) skeptic trying to. So far nothing. But it's clear that you can. And you don't even have to use the same equipment Meier did, or do it as quickly. Take your time, how's about a week from now for a roll of film? I do think Meier has a real photographic skill which should be recognized, but honestly, any good photographer could do what he did, and has, many times. See above, and get crackin', put up or...as they say! As to my statement that most people suspect him to be a fraud, I believe one need only do a net search on Meier and one can see that most do. Everyone loves his photos, most think them fake. See Elvis comments above. I appreciate your zeal, but you're ignoring evidence in favor of a "belief." I think that damages legitimate UFOlogy. Please, some evidence. I've done my homework. Read my article on your site. I have scientific evidence for my position. You have none. You do have plenty of, how do you call it, belief though. Meier 'almost' damaged legitimate UFOlogy, but thankfully, he was infiltrated and enough equally qualified experts as the ones you're quoting have seen through his tricks. Please, the "qualified experts" you refer to are...? Please, Mr. Horn, you're defending a man who took photos from his TV and claimed they were pictures he took of a Venusian woman! You are lying, Meier has never claimed to have taken photos of any Venusian women as none such exist. Be accurate and you will receive an accurate answer. His case has been tried again and again by reasonable minded people and found to be desperately full of holes. Just how many wild generalities do feel entitled to before you finally offer proof, names, etc.? I appreciate that you are devoted to this heart and soul, but I simply am not convinced. Why should you be convinced? Afterall, all of the scientists referred to, all of the testing done, etc., etc., shouldn't outweigh your unsubstantiated opinion. To which, I might add, you are of course entitled. You contrasting my opinion against 15 supposed attempts on his life demonstrates that you're juggling apples and oranges and not looking at the facts. Firstly, what does one have to do with the other? Well, of course, lots of people have multiple assassination attempts on their lives. Especially UFO contactees. I don't want to exploit the obvious but it's a particular form of hostility usually reserved for political figures and other folks of some slightly widespread importance. As Reagan was found of saying, Meier could have attempts on his life for many other reasons, such as starting up a cult and abusing its members. That, too, has been reported. "There you go again!" What cult, what abuse, reported by whom or are you content to merely be a slanderer and rumor mongerer? Second, where is the evidence for these assassination attempts? Just more say-so. I don't know that as a fact, and neither can anyone else... but you're going to claim it is. But even so, it doesn't have anything to do with his photographs, does it? By this point in my response I can only say...uninformed and ignorant. Do you read? Have you ANY of the rather extensive investigative reports on the case? Do you know that a team of investigators spent almost one entire year with Meier trying to catch him in a hoax? Do you know that they observed assassination attempts on his life? Are you content to be an uninformed know-it-all, incompetent in research and sloppier than hell? I've done my homework and based on your now clearly cowardly and and uninformed posting last night I say you owe your readers, and all others concerned in the case, the posting of my response and our correspondence. James, please back up ALL of your charges or retract them. Most sincerely, Michael Horn Dear Mr. Neff, In regards to the article you posted in which you trash the Billy Meier case, I'd like to clarify a few things based on the 22 years of research I've done on the case . Regarding your statement, "... vivid 35mm color shots of marvelously crafted, reflective hubcaps and pie pans and chromium lamp tops with pinballs glued to them." Do you have even one iota of proof of your claims, or are you simply interested in adding gratuitous disinformation and subsequent ad hominum attacks? You also state, "And especially the 8mm movies with the beam ships swinging on wires and banging into tiny model trees. Oops." and "The very BMW of Flying Saucers. Almost everyone felt they were phony, eventually, but most everyone enjoyed them. Billy had a real artists edge when it came to making his UFO photos; I'll give credit where credit is due. Calendar quality. Not a one of them, however, is real (in my opinion)." Thank you for your opinion. Please have the courage to share with your readers the opinions of a few other people who might have taken a closer, and more qualified, look. The following are excerpted quotes from "An Open Letter to the UFO Community" by Gary Kinder, author of LIGHT YEARS: "Dr. Michael Malin is an associate professor of planetary sciences at Arizona State University; he wrote his doctoral thesis on the computer analysis of spacecraft images beamed back from Mars. He was at JPL for four years and he's worked with the special effects people at LucasFilm. He works under various government grants at ASU, and a recent experiment he devised has just been accepted for a future Shuttle launch. A friend of mine who is the science editor at National Geographic and who has researched and written many cover stories on the Universe, the Space Shuttle, etc., had spoken to Malin before and once told me, "If Malin says it, you can believe it." Here is one thing Malin said concerning the Meier photographs which he analyzed in 1981: "I find the photographs themselves credible, they're good photographs. They appear to represent a real phenomenon. The story that some farmer in Switzerland is on a first name basis with dozens of aliens who come to visit him ... I find that incredible. But I find the photographs more credible. They're reasonable evidence of something. What that something is I don't know." Malin also told me, "If the photographs are hoaxes then I am intrigued by the quality of the hoax. How did he do it? I'm always interested in seeing a master at work." "Steve Ambrose, sound engineer for Stevie Wonder and inventor of the Micro Monitor, a radio set complete with speaker that fits inside Wonder's ear, analyzed the Meier sound recordings. "The sound recording's got some surprising things in it," he told me. "How would you duplicate it? I'm not just talking about how to duplicate it audio-wise, but how do you show those various things on a spectrum analyzer and on the scope that it was doing? It's one thing to make something that sounds like it, it's another thing to make something that sounds like it and has those consistent and random oscillations in it. The sound of the spacecraft," he added, "was a single sound source recording that had an amazing frequency response. If it is a hoax I'd like to meet the guy that did it, because he could probably make a lot of money in special effects." His findings were corroborated by another sound engineer named Nils Rognerud. In 1978 Nr. Robert Nathan at JPL was sufficiently impressed with the Meier photographs to have copies made of Meier transparencies at the JPL photo lab. After the transfer he refused to analyze the photographs, however, because his developer discovered they were several generations away from the originals. Nathan felt that the transparencies were so far away in generation from the photographs he had seen that Wendelle Stevens had attempted to trick him. Later, I showed the Meier films to Nathan, and he laughed at some of them, but he couldn't figure out how Meier flew the ship into a scene and had it come to a sudden halt; or how it sould hover motionless while a pine branch in the lower right corner blows in a stiff wind. Nathan said, "He would have to be awfully clever, because that's a very steady holding. It would have to be a very, very good tethering." Then he said, "Apparently he's a sharp guy, very clever. So he should be given some points for effort." Nathan concluded about the films, "If this is a hoax, and it looks like it is to me but I have no proof, this is very carefully done. Tremendous amount of effort. An awful lot of work for one guy." >From all of the scientists, these were the most negative comments I received. With Nathan saying that in theory the films could be hoaxed, I was curious about the logistics involved. Then I discovered that a special effects expert, Wally Gentleman, who for ten years had served as Director of Special Effects on the Canadian Film Board and who, for a year and a half, was director of special photographic effects for Stanley Kubrick's Film 2001, had viewed these same films. This is what he told me: "To produce the films, Meier really had to have a fleet of clever assistants, at least 15 people. And the equipment would be totally out of (Meier's) means. If somebody wanted me to cheat one of the films, $30,000 would probably do it, but this is in studio where the equipment exists. The equipment would cost another $50,000." That's for each of the seven Meier films. Gentleman also had examined the photographs. "My greatest problem is that for anybody faking this" (he pointed to one of the photographs) "the shadow that is thrown onto that tree is correct. Therefore, if somebody is faking it they have an expert there. And being an expert myself, I know that that expert knowledge is very hard to come by. So I say, 'Well, is that expert knowledge there or isn't it there?' Because if the expert knowledge isn't there, this has got to be real." Then there is Robert Post, who had been at the JPL photo laboratory for 22 years and was the head of that lab in 1979, when Nathan brought the Meier photos to him to have copies made. Post oversees the developing and printing of every photograph that comes out of JPL. Though he analyzed nothing, his eye for spotting fabrications far surpasses a lay-person's. Post told me: "From a photography standpoint, you couldn't see anything that was fake about the Meier photos. That's what struck me. They looked like legitimate photographs. I thought, 'God, if this is real, this is going to be really something.'" Besides working in the highly classified field of military defense, David Froning, an astronautical engineer with McDonnell Douglas for 25 years, has done exploratory research to develop ideas and technology for advanced spacecraft design. As a longtime member of the British Interplanetary Society and the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, he has presented many papers on interstellar flight at technical conferences in Europe and the United States. In October 1985, he addressed the XXXVI International Astronautical Congress in Stockholm. Froning's wife discovered at a friend's house the photo journal published by the Elders in fall, 1979, and took it home to her husband because of one word in the text-tachyon. In Meier's notes from 1975, he spoke of the tachyon propulsion system utilized by the Pleiadians. For over a year Froning had been spending most of his spare time working to design just such a theoretical system. When he read more of Meier's notes on faster-than-light travel (he had contacted the Elders and Stevens for more information), he found that Meier's figures for the time required to achieve the speed of light (at which point, according to Meier, the tachyon system would kick in to make the hyper leap), and the distance a ship would have traveled at that point, were within 20 percent of his own calculations determined through the use of complex acceleration formulas. Froning told me, "If what this Meier is saying is just a hoax, he's being cued by some very knowledgeable scientists. I've only discussed this Meier case with scientists who are fairly open-minded about interstellar flight, but I'll tell you, the majority of them think it's credible and agree at least part, or sometimes all, of the things talked about by the Pleiadians." During my research I read an article from a British publication called The Unexplained, in which the author, referring to the alleged Meier metal analysis by Marcel Vogel at IBM, wrote, "Jim Dilettoso characteristically failed to further the cause by claiming that [the Elders] hold a 10-hour videotape of 'the entire lab proceedings' (which Dr. Vogel denies having made). 'And,' Dilettoso incautiously persisted, 'we have about an hour of him discussing why the metal samples are not possible in earth technology, going into intrinsic detail of why it is not done anywhere on earth.'" The author, of course, is poking fun at such a claim. I have seen that video. I have also seen another video in which Vogel states, "I cannot explain the metal sample. By any known combination of materials I could not put it together myself, as a scientist. With any technology that I know of, we could not achieve this on this planet." I've interviewed Vogel twice and he insists that the metal sample he spent so much time analyzing is unique. I spoke with him again three weeks ago and to this day he remains fascinated with the specimen. He said that if the metal sample had not disappeared while in his possession, he would now be continuing research on it with a number of other scientists from IBM and Ames Research. A reporter from the Washington Post also called Vogel two days ago and Vogel again verified the above quote." "Eric Eliason of the U.S. Geological Survey in Flagstaff, Arizona, is the ninth of the experts I spoke with. After receiving his packet, he wrote to me, "Thank you for the accurate representation of my views on the Meier UFO photographs. If your LIGHT YEARS publication remains as objective as the pages you provided, I will look forward to reading what you have to say." Eliason creates image processing software so astrogeologists can analyze photographs of the planets beamed back from space. He spent two years producing the intricate radar map of cloud-covered Venus acquired by Pioneer 10, and his software has been applied in processing space photography beamed back, by both Viking and Voyager. He was sent to France and to China as a representative of the U.S. space program and an expert in image processing. He had analyzed the Meier photos on his equipment in 1981. He told me in an interview in August 1984: "In the photographs there were no sharp breaks where you could see it had been somehow artificially dubbed. And if that dubbing was registered in the film, the computer would have seen it. We didn't see anything." Mr. Neff, you also state, "But alas, like Adamski, he's suspected by most to be just someone looking for money and attention. The mad, cult like following that developed around Billy and subsequent informers and revelations have all but gutted any possibility of lending veracity to Meier." Anything at all to back it up? "suspected by most" as you say he is, you should be able to prove all that too. You may also refer to my article (http://www.sightings.com/ufo4/meiercase.htm) on the scientific corroboration for information Meier published a decade or more in advance of terrestrial scientists who, of course, announced their findings as new discoveries. In truth, there is an abundance of evidence and information, including dozens of other witnesses, some of whom also photographed the ships. The only thing lacking in the case has been proof that it's fraudulent, which should be easy. After all these years, where are the accomplises, the bank accounts, the special effects people? "Die-hard Meier followers will want to burn my house down.", you state, when the truth of the matter is that it is you who are attempting the destruction, even in the face of the abovementioned research. You apparently have no idea of the depth and breadth of the information in the case. By the way, if Meier is hoaxing, why the 15 or so assassination attempts on his life? I'll close with another excerpt from Mr. Kinder, "And if you had a choice between the analyses performed by the scientists Malin at ASU and Eliason at USGS and those performed by Bill Spaulding at Ground Saucer Watch, on which would you stake your reputation? After all of the bad-mouthing given the Meier case, I was surprised to learn that ufologists like Walt Andrus had never heard of Malin, or Eliason, or Gentleman, or Froning, or Ambrose, or even the alleged detractors in Switzerland Hans Schutzbach and Martin Sorge. Schutzbach was Meier's right-hand man for two years, with him night and day, driving him to contacts, organizing and cataloguing all of the photographs, measuring and photographing the landing tracks. Then they had a falling out, and Schutzbach left. He hates Meier and is certain Meier is a fraud; if anyone would know Meier's "technique" and be ready to divulge it, Schutzbach would be the man, yet to this day he has no clue how Meier could have made the tracks, or the photos, or the sound recordings, or the films. Nor does he have even one suggestion for an accomplice. Sorge, a cultured man with an university degree in chemistry and author of two books, had been mentioned frequently by ufologists as the one who discovered charred photographs and thereby exposed Meier as a fraud. He told me in the summer of 1985 that he is "certain" the contacts took place, though in a different fashion than Meier describes. He also told me the real story of how he obtained the burned slides. That, too, is much different than the version I got from ufologists here in the States. Again, all of this is in the book." Sincerely, Michael Horn | ||
Ardie Fox |
Hello Michael, I enjoyed reading your letters very much and am interested in seeing the response that you mentioned. Unfortunately, some people are just blind to certain things, no matter how much you are able to back up your information with scientific and professional examinations. He seems more interested in rumors than facts. Too bad! Salome, Ardie | ||
Michael Horn |
Ardie, Yes indeed. But that's not very new to Billy, is it? By the way, he just wrote me to tell me that he was NOT the guy who left the phone message. I called around and found that it was one of my lughead friends who thought he was being funny. I emailed him back to apologize and noted that, unintentionally, he'd just had the experience of being falsely accused. Perhaps all this will lead somewhere favorable. Michael | ||
Steve M. |
Hi all, I must say , I just finished reading "Light Years" & it really gave me a new perspective on things. I really feel bad for Mr. Meier. He was always so trusting with his early photos, he opened his home to anyone wanting to meet him , he put everything on the line to try & teach people, only to have had pictures stolen from him left & right. Him & his family went through hell for this whole thing ,his kids were hassled at school. His name has been slandered uncountable times, not to mention the attempts on is life. He was just being very kind & open and all he got in return was taken advantage of. I don't know how he is now , I really hope he is well.I hope he is enjoying life. I'm sure he knew that all these things would happen by leaving himself so open, but I just want to send him thanks , MUCH THANKS for all he has done & for having courage & character to do what he has. Mr. Meier Thank you. | ||
Norm |
Michael, Great letter, thanks for posting it. I hope Sightings has the guts to post it! | ||
Michael Horn |
Norm, No Sightings won't post it, certainly not unless enough people protest that strong, FACTUALLY based opinions be posted. My sense is that Neff's not a bad fellow, just a bit uninformed and probably relying on the same old Korff crud, etc. I think he finds himself in a bind because he's so unfamiliar with the abundance of details, expert opinions, etc. Michael | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Wow... (!) History repeats itself...(?) Or... perhaps the "players" are the same ones? I think Creation is teaching us patience (etc.)... eh? Nice work, Michael (!) But...(!?!) I wonder (for myself) if any amount of truth is worth war? Is it perhaps enough, that we have our truth, and they have theirs? On hindsight... Galileo introduced a concept that did not die, looking back... we don't hear about the treatment HE got... (?) In terms of "history"... does it really matter? The idea itself seemed to be enough. When things "cooled off"... the ideas he shared took hold because they were available to the rest of us. It didn't matter that "at that time", his ideas (& him) were treated as they were. I do NOT mean to belittle the situation at that time... (or now !) The "human contention", in that experience (compared to now !) can teach us about ourselves... (& more ?) Perhaps the most important thing is... (for future generations, including our next incarnations) that this (Plejaran) information survives in readily available form, for the next 800 years. The "controversy" in between, will help us all grow till them (!) Much for me to contemplate...(!) Kindest regards, & Thanx all... JPLagasse | ||
Michael Horn |
Hi JP, I find that there are times to speak out and times to wait. An interesting result of my interaction with Mr. Neff was that a friend of mine left me a slightly off-color message claiming to be Neff. I didn't recognize his voice so I dispatched a comment to Neff criticizing him for leaving the message. He responded saying that, truthfully, it wasn't him. This opened the door for me to be genuinely apologetic for having falsely accused him. I stated that it was one thing for us to have an energetic disagreement but clearly another to attack him for something he didn't do. I also expressed to him that perhaps this was, unintentionally of course, a strange momentary opportunity for him to experience being falsely accused, much the same as we believe Meier to have been. I actually feel that the whole incident may have opened the door to further rational, open discussion of the case as he and I exchanged several brief apology-apology accepted notes. Let's see what happens. Michael | ||
Savio |
Hi Michael It is true that "Whenever there is crisis, there is way/opportunity" isn't it? I admire your research work on the Meier case. Regards Savio | ||
Steve M. |
Does Figu know about this;I pasted it from Michael Hessemens site; Hesemann interviews prominent Meier witness March 04, 2001 Hesemann traveled to New York to interview Phobol Cheng, ex-member of the Cambodian delegation at the United Nations. Phobol met Billy Meier in 1964 during his stay in the Ashoka monastery in Mehrauli/India. More than that, she saw and encountered Asket, Billy's alleged "space lady" from the Dal-Universe, and saw disc shaped craft flying over the compound, looking like the ones photographed by Meier. These sightings were shared by dozens of people in and around the "ashram", an event which was reported even in the local press, the "New Delhi Statesman". Thanks to Phobol, another witness of these events, her former English teacher, was also interviewed by Hesemann (already in 1998). In the spring of 1999 Phobol and her brother, another eye-witness, traveled, sponsored by Hesemann, to Mehrauli to find other surviving eye-witnesses. They were able to interview their old gardener and another man. All interviews will become part of an upcoming documentary "Billy E.A. Meier - the truth, at last". From his site he seems to believe & support Billy. Michael you may want to send him your excellent correspondence with Mr. Neff . Salome, Steve M. | ||
Norm |
Steve M, I emailed the Hesemann article to Sightings, to see if they post it. They usually post pro Meier info, but it will be interesting to see if the do it now. | ||
Michael Horn |
Hi Savio, Steve, Norm and Everyone, I sense a bit of momentum here. It will be a long haul but well worth it. Michael | ||
Scott B. |
Hello Everyone Here is an additional link to James Deardorff's websight. This also provides more information about Mr. Hessemanns interview, plus a few pictures. interveiw Salome Scott | ||
Steve M. |
Hi all, Is Mr. Meier still communicating with the Plejarans ? Are they physically coming back or have they been back recently ? Salome Steve M. | ||
Scott B. |
Hi Steve Yes he is, but they are of a private nature. I believe the most recent one was Feb 3, 2001. Salome Scott B. | ||
Savio |
Hi Scott & everyone It happens that February 3 is the birthday of Billy. A special occasion isn't it? Any details? Regards Savio | ||
Steve M. |
Hi Savio, hi all, I believe ( according to Wendelle's notes) that Feb 3rd 1965 was Billy's 18th observation of a ship up close. This was also the 1rst time he went with Asket INTO the ship & when they went to Egypt. Feb 3rd 1975 was his 2nd contact with Semjase. So definitely special things have occurred on Feb 3rd throughout the years. Are the people of the Earth ready for this : Are there any plans that maybe in the very near future the Plejarans could give Mr. Meier the opportunity to take new pictures & films , maybe they can even give him another metal sample. This I believe at this time(2001) would just blow people away. After all the people have slung all the mud they could at Mr. Meier , here would be a whole mess of NEW evidence(1rts generation prints could now be secured , because we all have learned what happens when people are to trusting in an imperfect world) to shut up all the detractors & slanderers , & more importantly to educate people passively & in steps. It's been over 25 years.I believe it's a perfect time for another step to stir up the ambers again. It would get the story into the mainstream again . This I believe would really add to an already building momentum. Any thoughts ? Salome, Steve M. | ||
Norm |
I was checking out the redesigned F.I.G.U. web site and I noticed Billy has had a lot of Contacts with the Plejarens this year and especially in the last month, and with several different individuals. Sudor Askal (Pleiades/Plejaren) June 5, 2001–today Fetanika Erra (Pleiades/Plejaren) June 25, 2001–today Taneta Erra (Pleiades/Plejaren) June 25, 2001–today Tanissa Erra (Pleiades/Plejaren) June 25, 2001–today Nefratisa Luseta (Pleiades/Plejaren) June 25, 2001–today Gaudon Erra (Pleiades/Plejaren) July 2, 2001–today Queda Erra (Pleiades/Plejaren) July 2, 2001–today I was wondering if there is any new information that the Moderators could share with the rest of the forum? Thanx, Norm | ||
Marc Juliano |
Hi Norm, Actually, it's news to me too. Of course, the words "Erra", "Askal", and "Luseta" are the names of their home planets, not their last names as it may appear above. Curious thing is, the only name in your list that appears in Billy's book of "6,360 Interplanetary Names in Their Ancient Form and Their Meaning" (aka, the Book of Names) is Gaudon. It means something like "the happy horseman", or "the joyful rider", I guess depending upon the mode of transportation used.  Regards, Marc | ||
Norm |
Sorry my mistake. I didn't mean to highlight the planets. | ||
Gaia |
Wasn't there a special TV show on FOX(USA) a while ago(about 7 months ago...I don't quite recall the exact date) about uncovering the most elaborate hoax UFO photographs of them all in which a person looking similar to Billy Meier(old white bearded man) admitted in an interview that his photographs of UFOs are fakes and showed how he has achieved the task? At that time, I wasn't aware of the existence of "Billy Meier" nor his famous stature among UFO community, so I didn't quite pay close attention to his appearance nor his name, but now that I know who he is, I recall watching the show back then, and have been pondering if Billy Meier has admitted to his photographs as hoaxes, or am I referring to a totally different person? I figured I would find some comments regarding the show if it was him, but I haven't come across any postings that mentions about it. All comments are welcomed. | ||
Gaia |
Nevermind about my previous post, I just found out that it was aired on FOX in last December and that the show CLAIMED Billy Meier's photos as hoaxes, that Billy himself didn't admit to any fraudulent acts on his work. It's amazing how these sensationalized shows leave most intriguing facts & evidences out of the picture and use a couple of lousy photos to defame and accuse someone of being a fraud, Billy Meier should sue FOX and the show's producer. | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Hi Gaia, I never saw this particular program, but that Billy & his group attempted to duplicate ET craft photographs "in his back yard"... is well known amongst those who have studied his materials. Of course, they never were able to duplicate the authentic photos... even close. Nobody else has either...!!! Billy, to my knowledge, would allow someone to believe whatever they wanted, if that's what they really wanted to believe in... including that his photos are fake. Whatever we choose to believe, is a personal choice. Nobody can, nor should, make our minds up for us. Kind regards, JP | ||
JAY |
Hi Gaia, WOW I can't believe this show slipped by me last year, I would have laughed at FOX for sensationalizing the Meier case. I agree 100%, Mr.Meier should sue FOX for a good chunk, this will just improve the cause for The Message and its Spiritual as well as Scientific message to the world. I do not think that profiting from the law suit will give us an edge in this and help us expand the message much faster to the masses but is just to prove a point to all the media out there. BE WELL Gaia | ||
Anthea Cossette |
Hi Gaia, Jay ... I think the mere fact that the truth always reveals itself does more good for the cause of the Mission than any retaliatory measures such as suing the perpetrators of such deception ever could. The deceivers are simply deceiving themselves, and they cannot, and never will, succeed in their deception because of those individuals whose eyes are wide open and who, through their consciousness development, can discern truth from fiction. This has been proven time and again over the course of years that the Mission has been in existence. There simply is no need to defend the truth because truth is everlasting, whereas falsehood is not and is certain to be revealed sooner or later. Regards and Salome, Anthea | ||
JAY |
Hi Anthea long time I havent spoken to you , How are you??... well I guess this is correct also what you are saying about suing FOX, the "FACTS" will submerge slowly into our society and conciousness for the development of our social as well as Spiritual structure on this Earth and if all goes accordingly we may have the biggest changes ever BE WELL Anthea | ||
Savio |
Hello Regarding Billy's time travel and meeting with Jmmanuel, does anyone know the language they used during the talk? Thanks Savio | ||
Joseph Royack |
Savio, Billy wore a language translator on his waist, so their discussion was translated. Blessings Joseph | ||
Savio |
Hi Joseph Thanks for your information Do you know their discussion content? Any information within the contact notes? Regards Savio | ||
Scott B. |
Hello Savio Im pretty sure the language used at the time was Aramaic. Asket,Jitschi and Billy were part of that trip. I dont know if Jitschi was given a language translator or not. Yes, there is a lengthy conversation in the original contact notes between Billy and Jmmanuel. Billy was sympathizing with Jmmanuel because of the great ordeal he would be facing in a short time (Jmmanuels crucifiction). They also compared their spiritual evolutions with some type of mathmatical formula. It is an interesting conversation, and hopefully in the near future, the corrected contact notes will become available for all of us to read. Just for your information these conversations were left out of Wendelle Stevens books. There is also much good information in the book "From the Depths of Outer Space" about Billy's time travels to Egypt and also to the 13 th century in which they converse with a Rabbi Jecheili. What I always remember about that time travel is Billy said the sound of the birds was horrendous! Nice to hear from you again Savio Salome Scott B. | ||
Savio |
Hi Scott Me too! Nice to hear from you again Thanks for your information on the meeting of Billy & Jmmanuel. Could you also advise when did that take place and recorded in which contact notes? I cannot find ""From the Depths of Outer Space" any where, who is the author and is it in German? Regards Savio | ||
Joseph Royack |
hi Savi, Read it in the contact notes. Billy had a translator the size of a pack of cig. on his belt. Remember him saying that jmmanuel was aware of his mission and what would happen in the future as a result of it. blessings joseph | ||
Savio |
Hi Joseph Thanks again for your additional inputs Regards Savio | ||
Jan B. |
Hi Savio and Scott and others, I wonder how were Jitchi, resp. Asket coping with each other vibrations when they met. Perhaps, due to Jitchi´s later age, therefore balanced personality/vibrations, it did not cause any harm... „Aus den tiefen des Weltenraums“ by Billy is available through FIGU. Regards Jan B. | ||
Scott B. |
Hi Savio & Jan B. From what I understand Askets time travel with Billy and Jitschi took place on February 2, 1956. They traveled to a location near Jerusalem. This contact was retransmitted with Askets help on the 5 day space voyage with Semjase and Ptaah. This occurred when Billy visited Asket in the Dal Universe in 1975. I believe this occurred during Billy's 31st contact on Thursday July 17, 1975. Yes, Jan B. you bring up a good point about the difference between Asket and Jitschi's vibrations. I do believe when they went to visit Jmmanuel they were wearing protective clothing to help them with the time shift, because there was mention of them wearing some type of silver garment underneath the clothing which Asket had bought along for them to change into. As I understand it, they needed to blend in with the dress of the people at the time. It was also mentioned how the possibility of them being mistaken for angels could occur if they were to be observed wearing these silvery garments. Salome Scott B. | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Hi Scott and everyone, I have often wondered about this Jitschi character. It was very unusual that he suddenly came along the way he did and was allowed to join Asket and Billy on their time travel journey. If I recall correctly, during their visit to the time of Jmmanuel, Billy had to punch him with his fist to put him in line because he was acting rather obnoxious as Jmmanuel approached them. Is anything else known about Jitschi? After they came back did Jitschi ever come around to accepting the teachings? | ||
JAY |
Hi Scott B., In reference to the this statement: "From what I understand Askets time travel with Billy and Jitschi took place on February 2, 1956. They traveled to a location near Jerusalem." can you verify for me who is JITSCHI??, I am not familiar with this person. BE WELL Scott | ||
Scott B. |
Hi Lonnie & Jay His name was Jitschi Ustinow and at the time Billy and Asket met him he appeared to be in his mid 50's. They met him in the Jordanian Mountains during the year of 1956. He was a Russian citizen who had taken it upon himself to travel about alone and dig for things. Apparently he had a very hard life in his earlier youth and came to mistrust all humans until he met up with Akset and Billy. Asket and Billy had come upon his camp one night while they were walking. It turned out he was able to speak German which allowed Billy to understand him, because at the time Billy didn't speak much English. Through the course of events Jitschi was allowed to accompany Asket and Billy on various time travels. Many times during these experiences it was almost too much for Jitschi and one time he completely passed out. This also accounts for Billy punching Jitschi, which Lonnie mentioned, when they were in the presence of Jmmanuel, because of his uncontrolled outbursts. It seems if I remember correctly Jitschi was told by Asket never to reveal any of this to anyone. He died I think in 1996 or 1997 and he apparently never spoke a word to anyone about his experiences for the remainder of his life. Much of this can be read about in the original contact notes and a more detailed description exists in the book "From the Depths of Outer Space" which was mentioned earlier. Salome Scott B. | ||
JAY |
Hi Scott B., Thats Great info. you have given me, this guy should have been privilaged that he was able to go and time travel. Is the book, "From the Depths of Outer Space" available in English? In reference to the contact notes I have some of the original contact notes, the ones Wendelle Stevens Translated and also the MESSAGE FROM THE PLEAIDES Vol I, I may not recall reading it is been a long time since I read the information. BE WELL Scott B and Thanks | ||
Hebro Puckett |
I am curious of the contacts between Billy and any other alien race on this planet. I realize the truth he is saying is true, but I am horribly ignorant to the actual truth of those from the nether-regions of space. Aliens are infinitely more wise than I, and it is here I hope to hear their truths (much different than the truths the governments of this world would have us believe). Peace to you my brothers and sisters. This could possibly become the greatest pubestation of my life. I hope to listen to your truths soon. Salome, H. Puckett | ||
JAY |
Hi Hebro, If you are new to this and you need to get more information on the Meier mission and strengthen your knowledge, you can always go to the main site www.figu.org will find plenty of knowledge about the FIGU and the Meier mission. You can also visit www.billymeier.com LA study group as well and get plenty of fundamental as well as books detailing the Meier case. The books on the site can also help you develop the spiritual aspect of the mission as well scientifical concepts of the case and the many questions raised. Welcome aboard BE WELL Hebro | ||
Lars |
Hi everyone, It just occurred to me recently, that the return of Jmmanuel and the god-Jschwjsch as mentioned in the Talmud. where it says in TJ.25:49-51 "God-Jshwjsh will send his gaurdian angels with loud trumpets and will gather his followers from all directions from one end of the earth to the other." This return of a god-Jshwjsh must be Ptaah, and his crew who are the gaurdian angels, and Billy is obviously the return of Jmmanuel, and like Jmmanuel predicted he would return in the future like a lightning flash from the east unto the west." Now just think a moment about how Billy fulfills this prediction as Jmmanuel returned. 1st. he has appeared like a lightning flash out of the sky in the Plejaren and Dal beamships!!! 2nd. Ptaah has dispatched his crew who have announced the Creational laws as with the sound of loud trumpets, and by this many followers are being gathered! This is one way of seeing the fulfillment of Jmmanuels prediction in TJ.25:49 Lars | ||
Lars |
Hi everyone, Inasmuch as it is said that Billy was 'Galileo" in a former life, I found it extremely interesting to compare the two ,as the facial similarity of the two is extremely convincing. Check out these paintings of galileo and compare with those of Billy at Galileo Pictures They are simply amazing... Salome, Lars | ||
David_chance New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello all, I have attempted to compile an English-language bibliography regarding the Billy Meier case, including “supporters” and “critics”, in print, internet, audio & video. It can be accessed through: http://www.figu.org/us/figu/links.htm Kind regards, David | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 262 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi David... I just wanted to wish you my Best Compliments for what you have done concerning the "compile an English-language bibliography regarding the Billy Meier case". Now I have Easy access to All Billy's and FIGU documentations. Which makes it Easy for everyone to access all these topics and subject. Well Done!... Edward. | ||
Howard New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 05-2003 |
I"ll like to ask Billy in the next round of questions about the bible code. How could this this code reveal so many things for us if the whole bible is false? He will probably reject it.But he has some serious explaing to do. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Howard, Believe it or not, all books written may have had a code in it from our unconscious mind in much the same way that anyone can "reverse speech" a conversation to hear messages from a persons unconscious mind. The plejarans in turn are aware of this which is why they use the German language because it works to some degree with hidden codes that can be picked up by a person unconsciously. -Truthseeker | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 376 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi James, Where did you hear this about the German language being used by the Plejarens because it works to some degree with hidden codes? The only thing I'm aware of is the code written into Billys books (German) which when read or spoken can trigger impulses from the Akashic records. I'm pretty sure if the Plejarens were to write a book in German this would also be the case, but up until now I haven't come across one. Salome Scott | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 281 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott and James... Yes, I would Truely Agree with Scott...James. If I am correct, Billy did Translate the Talmud of Jmmanuel with the mentioned "Coding". But, Only from Billy's Hands...ofcourse. (As Also...with other writings doen by Billy!) And Scott does explain the Link of the Coding very well...to the Impulses to the Akashic Records. I must say, there Is very Much Truth in this! When I read The Talmud of Jmmanuel..it Does Seem to Trigger "Something" in my Consciousness! Very hard to explain. But there seems to be a "Processing" Involved..that seems to put me Letterly..in Full Focus...of the Events being read. I would think...that some others may have the same effect when reading. Almost like "Seeing, Feeling and Smelling" the events at First Hand...so to speak! Almost like Traveling back into Time...to the events. But then, Via...the Akashic Records as a "Catalyzer(Katalysator)" to Leading/Manifest to that State Of Mind/Concsiousness (Vibration/Level - Of Knowing - ). Edward. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Scott, I've heard this from time to time from our aquaintances such as Norm, etc, although this is the first time I've heard that it can trigger impulses from the Akashic records unless I've forgotten. I was of the understanding that it unconsciously triggers more wisdom for the spirit form. I seem to recall hearing not to long ago that according to Billy and the Plejarans, German is the closest to the original ET language which is why Billy incarnated with it into our time. Other lanquages that may come close to this ET lanquage, but not as much as German, maybe Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Sanskrit, etc. James Truthseeker | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 377 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi James, Yes, the German language has its origins from the old Lyrian language which was first spoken on earth appox. 289,000 years ago. This can be evidenced for instance from the Salome Peace Meditation. The word UUrda which is Lyrian is very similiar to the word Erde which is German for the word Earth in English. If you read the explaination regarding the Peace Meditation you will learn about impulses which are released from the Akashic records when certain words are spoken or thought. Salome Scott | ||
Kaare New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Scott/James, The Norwegian language seem to have some similar words to Lyrian as well. For instance the word UUrda is in Norwegian spelt Jorda (nynorsk) or Jorden (bokmaal). Best regars Kaare | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 580 Registered: 02-2000 |
Here's what it say's in the booklets. "IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR THE READER OF THIS DOCUMENT Interwoven in all of Billy's German texts is a CODE. This code is fully effective only when every word of the text is in its correct place, and written free of errors from beginning to end. The code elicits impulses from the spiritual realm (Akashic Records) which then touch the reader and begin to become active from within. This process is subconscious. The same result is obtained when someone reads the German text, even though that person may not master the German language. It matters little whether the text is read silently or aloud, or whether one-person reads it to another. The German language originated from the old Lyrian and has the same amount of characters per word, e.g., Salome = Friede (Peace),Urda = Erde (Earth) because Billy is not completely fluent in any other language spoken on earth, he finds it impossible to incorporate the code into the translations. One has to take into account also that many words in German do not exist in other languages, resulting in translations that reproduce only in part the meaning of the German original. For these reasons each translation of Billy's texts into a foreign language will have the original German text attached." | ||
Mhurley Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hi all, I thought the Akashic stored thoughts not words therefore the thought would not be bound to any particular lanaguage? Matt | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 284 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Matt... Heres what Billy has to say concerning the Akaskic Records in "An Interview With A UFO Contactee". Page 51/11. "Can someone contact the Beyond and those who are dead?" "When events are considered that are part of the stored-record levels, the so-called Akashic Records, then the fallowing holds true: Every human being's thoughts, articulations, feeings or emotions, stirrings, impulses and the like, are deposited in the Akashic Records, the storage area in a terresterial hyperspace. Anyone who can generate the frequencies identical to those of the deposited information with his or her thoughts, consciousness or some technology, will also be able to summon these frequencies. This implies that information that belongs to living individuals, even those who are dead, may be retrieved from the stored records as long as the person finds the specific frequencies of the other individuals. It is even conceivable that a form of logical communication can be initiated with stored inpulses and information in the Akashic Records." I hope this information will be of some help to you. Edward. | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 05-2003 |
Hei Kaare, hvor er du fra? Jeg er fra Trondheim. Dert hadde vært moro å diskutere med deg på Irc eller lignende om du er interessert. Hvor er du fra forresten. Når ble du interresert i Billy Meier.saken? Hilsen Håvard Hi Howard, Since this is the English section of the FIGU Website, could you please repost in English. Thanks-Moderator | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 05-2003 |
Hi Kaare, where are you from? I am from Trondheim. I would have been fun chatting with you on irc or any other chat channel if you are interested. When did you get interested in the billy meier-case? my e-mail is haavardro@hotmail.com | ||
Kaare New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello Haavard I originate from Byrkjelo, but now living in OZ. Only new to the Meier case. Got interested after listening to a convincing presentation by Michael Horn on Art Bell Oct last year. Bought 'And yet they fly' and from there I have become more interested in the case, as I started to realize how important it is. Your hotmail adress noted, thanks Best regards Kaare | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 05-2003 |
Sometimes i really cant understand what the so called spirit billy is talking about is about. The only times ive been spiritually enlightened (in most cases) is when i go to church. its like seeing a bright light overwhelming my whole mind making everything perfect. So you could say i am christian. I see the holy spirit as the evidence that the talmud is fake. Some things in the bible are quite scary to, there it stands that the enemys and demons are hidden in space, who will mislead us in the last times. socalled evil spirits. this is not a thing i take so seriously. I went to a priest one time, and he said that its when man tries to become like god, when the problems begins. I agree with that. And i guess the plejarens do to. We can only think about how the world could have been without Aruseak influencing Hitler. Many problems begin with the very essence of human nature. And if every human race is supposed to rase havoc upon their own earth to "evolve", i find creation, as billy said in the earlier contacts, like a hell. I see christianity as a way out of this hell, this perdition, this reincarnation. The Holy Spirit is the christians guide... Howard | ||
Kaare New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello Haavard, I went off religion shortly after I completed Sunday school. I failed to see how religion had anything to teach me. How can you sit in Church and have a priest tell you spirit things based on his or her understanding of a falsified book, which the Bible is. How can you say that the Talmud is false and the bible is not ?, when the Bible not even has the reincarnation teaching in it ???? And that is the reason why the Plejarans brought the Talmud forth, in order to correct the falsifications in the bible. Also you should make up your mind whether you are a Christian or not. If you are a Christian you believe in a third party Jesus to give you a shortcut to heaven (paying for the sins etc). If you don’t believe exactly in that, but still “feel” a Christian you might find solace in some of the other 1000 plus variations of the Christian religions. I fail to see how you think the Christian religion in any way can be mixed with the Myer case. For instance have you ever thought of it the other way around going back to the priest you talked to and asked his opinion about reincarnation – try it, and see what he says. They reason why I study the Myer case is because I want to learn. When I went to school, I expected a teacher to sit in front of the classroom and teach me, a person far brighter than me in the specific subject. And a person that could draw from highly reliable sources of advanced information if there was question that he could not answer for either. I did not expect a pupil no brighter than myself to teach me. In religion lessons at school I tried once to ask the priest about UFO and life in space. He clearly did not like question, as he could not answer it . He did not know, and besides of that , it did not fit into his middle age belief system where the earth is in the center of the universe - and deep space is only supposed to be for angels or demons. So I quickly stopped asking him these sorts of difficult questions. In my opinion Billy Myer is a true spiritual teacher and also a true UFO contactee. I have found the proof i need to accept that Billy Myer is also a true prophet of the New age. A title that he did not chose himself, but was chosen for him by the Plejarans. I have come to this conclusion based on the evidence in especially two of the books I have read which are “And yet they fly” and “ Existentes Leben im Universum” , which I completed reading this week-end. (my first book in german language in this case.) The reason why I say I am new to the Myer case, is simply, that in my opinion, all the books in German language, have to be read , before you can say you start to “know “ the Meier material. And that is what I am going to do.. Look, I find it a lot easier to read a English book than reading a book in German. I had to use my German dictionary a lot , and it took a lot longer to read. But I also know next book I read in German will go easier. When I went to school in Norway, some of my classmates had to go to Germany to study (to become a doctor or whatever) because they did not get a study place at a University in Norway. I am sure they also found it hard at first to learn the German language before they could get on with their studies, but they did not mind, as they wanted to get on with their education. Bottom line if you want to study the Meyer case, it is no big deal that the books are written in German. And if it takes a few year to read them through, that is no big deal either. A doctor , for instance , do not become a doctor, by reading one A4 manual in English. It takes years of hard study and lots of books. So too with the Meyer case. It is a big complex case and takes years to study. I can think of a better way of spending the Sundays, instead of going to Church, and that is to sit down with a German dictionary and read the 16 bands of SEMJASE-BERICHTE. Best regards Kaare Bergheim | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 05-2003 |
Hi Kåre, you also have the website www.semjase.net partially in swedish and a poor translation of the talmud. As Michael Hesemann stated, the plejarens only gave us the talmud so we would not have to believe the new testament. I hope i agree with that. I mean the new testament is true, and i cant see why its not, with all the letters and evangeliums who all say the same, eventhough they were written a while after the incidents. When i mean i see the light and get filled with the holy spirit, i seriously mean it. Its REAL to me. If, and i only say if jesus woke up Lazarus after 4 days smelling bad, even creation could not have done the same thing. It sounds unbeliavable, but i think since we christians are so-called "borned again" in baptism and in the spiritbaptism ( im not sure if this term is correct), it would mean we are born again in this life, which means our personality is going out of reincarnation as i see it. Gehenna or hell if you see, was only a garbageplace, as we all end when were dead. the lake of fire could just as well be all the billions sillions of stars thats out in the universe, thats where we all end up if were reincarnated. all rases are. you could definately call this teory sought, but this is ofcourse just a theory of mine, as i see reincarnation as a fact. i just finished a book who showed over 50 examples of reincarnation. as good as proven facts i would say. They said it was over two thousands recorded ones. hard to really prove, but quite convincing i would say. howard | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Howard, From a Christian perspective, it should not be hard to realize that the so called "holy spirit" is creation itself, not all that much different to what the Chinese call "Tao", or what the aboriginals call "great spirit" which exists in all things weather people choose to call it GOD or not. Although GOD actually refers to YHWH(Ishwish) which the plejarans already mentioned is an extraterrestrial "master of wisdom", such as lets say Gabriel himself if I'm correct here. The light you see when you get filled with creation energy is called the "Sohar". Some people choose to call it "Christ light" just as some people choose to call creation "Christ". The term "Born again" is actually a "recognition of truth" concerning creation as a kind of personal initiation. Throughout a persons incarnations, a spirit form will go through many such initiations which will change their personalities continually. Personalities are never constant and they get "re-anew-ed" for each new incarnation. To truly experience the sohar of creation may cause a persons new understanding of life with quite a personality change in just one more step in spiritual evolution. Light and wisdom are one in the same, so in a matter of speaking every human being continually becomes "born again" for every new truth they may recognize behind the clouds of illusion with each new experience. Ex; Imagine a persons realization that the sun still exists on a cloudy day as much as the clouds may obscure the appearance of the sun. For many this realization brings a new sense of inner peace. In much the same way, Jmmanuel's and Billy's spiritual teachings will allow the willing participants to "experience" the light of creation taught in this way which was always there. One can only be "born again" of the their spirit form if they seek the truth and conform to the real laws of creation to achieve real ever lasting inner peace. HELL, should you choose to call it that, is a persons own absence of light or wisdom which is darkness. Most people choose this upon themselves because they don't know any other way or because they don't want to look at the alternatives to seek out the truth for themselves. For the greater majority, truth is not important as it's easier to believe in the shadows of darkness when truth becomes harsh. Thus being humanity is responsible for itself and must come to its own reasoning if it's to find "Heaven on Earth". As you'll see in the OT of the Bible, the GODs of old wanted to keep humanity in darkness for its own selfish purposes as you'll see with "Jehovah". Devils and demons are actually living thought forms created out of peoples fear. Christianity seeks to banish the very demons they themselves create out of fear, with every new independent curious thought they think should it contradict their Bible and church beliefs. People don't realize just how powerful their minds really are and when given energy, these thought forms can become real powerful. Unfortunately this has become a common practise in the Philippines as much as it was done with the old Bon religion of Tibet. As for prophet Jmmanuel's baptism by water?, perhaps someone here can enlighten me on why this was so. Jmmanuel was not the founder of Christianity, Soul-Paul was. According to the Essenes, the name "Jesus" actually is Greek for "Ye-Suse" which actually means "Son of Zeus". Peace in wisdom, James Truthseeker | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 03-2003 |
Perhaps JOHN 3:16 should read like this: "For YHWH Gabriel so honored creation that he begot his son Jmmanuel to the world, that whosoever understood his wisdom should not perish from false teachings but find everlasting inner peace on the path of life". -Truthseeker | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 05-2003 |
Seeker of Truth That Jmmanuel received baptism from John by water had nothing to do with Christianity. The Talmud states that John 'preached of baptism in accordance with the old laws of god, according to which the way to knowledge was to be prepared'. If anything, baptism by water expressed the spiritual inadequacy of humans, including John. And the only reason that Jmmanuel agreed to be baptised by water was out of respect for John, and out of respect of what was good. It wasn't an initiation into Christianity, as John was aware of Creation being above god. Also, if I am correct in thinking that YHWH is the title given to one who has reached the level of god, then I don't think that Gabriel was god at the time of Jmmanuel's birth. Like Semjasa at the time of Adam, he was the leader of the celestial sons who were the guardian angels of god, and was himself 'a celestial son' and guardian angel of god. This is stated quite clearly at the beginning of the Talmud: Chapter 1, verse 2. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Joseph, So by what you're telling me, baptism was the way people where initiated into the ancient mystery schools of wisdom of that time between teacher and apprentice, but over time became more a religious custom. Actually I seem to recall Gabriel had Begot Jmmanuels birth by order of Plejos who was at that time the ruling YHWH GOD above the celestial sons. So if Gabriel was also an YHWH at that time as is Quetzal today, then perhaps GOD is the ruling YHWH above all other YHWH's in very much the same way as Ptaah today being the Plejaran commander of Quetzal. -Truthseeker | ||
Jay Member Post Number: 200 Registered: 01-2002 |
Hi All, You must also take into account in this day and time through the laws of Reincarnation like all beings (including Gabriel), we must go through the spiritual evolution to pass on a high spiritual and dimensional understanding of creation to be one with it. As Gabriel has reincarnated as the person known as QUETZAL we must know that the spirit form which he carries (which was Gabriel 2000 yrs ago) is now an JSHWJSH. In conclusion this is where this particular spiritform is in the level of KING OF WISDOM. BE WELL | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 05-2003 |
The holy spirit is not creation itself, it is identified as a person. Born again is a term, which states that we are buried together with christ. Hell is according to christianity not to live without wisdom, because christ is the wisdom of god. Christ ruins every thouhtstructure imaginable. Hell is as i said to live without god, and therefore, one should not have to be reincarnated to the endless and loosing ones personality to finaly achieve godliness. It is so simple, God have made it so darn simple for us humans, that most of us cant understand whats going on even though the church and the priests are available at all times. Its a paradox really. Devils and demons are all part of our religious history. They appear in almost all religions. Its practically the same gods that appear in all the religions. And i cant believe why the Plejarens gave us the Talmud. Its so full of mistakes and is so obviously wrong in its assumptions. Its sought really. Were closing into an anti-christ scene here, and i cant believe why the plejarens would want that. Peace in Christ ;) Howard | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 05-2003 |
TS I'm just saying that John the Baptist preached of baptism in accordance with the old laws of god. In truth, there was nothing to be gained from baptism by water, and I think John knew this. However, he performed this ritual on the people in preparation of the way to true knowledge, which was to be made known by Jmmanuel, and was the true baptism. I really don't think there was anything more to it than this, seeing as he was aware of the false teachings of Judaism and of the wisdom of Creation. It's just unfortunate that Paul later used baptism by water as an initiation into Christianity, using the story of John the Baptist probably from the stolen Talmud. | ||
Christina New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 07-2003 |
Howard I know this might sound like a silly question, but do you believe that all those anti-ageing creams that are supposed to make women look younger actually work? | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 398 Registered: 10-2000 |
Howard, As you may be relatively new to this subject let me say that there have been a number of people who have rather fundamentalist beliefs who have come and made their comments along the same lines as yours. I, and others who are studying the material, are not true believers, we didn't have this pounded into our heads as children growing up and we haven't come to it out of fear as adults. Your reference point is the Christian religion, the source material of which has been adulterated, redacted, editred, re-written and invented over a good number of years. There is no factual basis for most of the beliefs that it espouses. The Meier material's credibility rests on a number of things, including some 30 years of impeccably accurate scientific and world event-related information published up to 25+ years before "official" discovery or occurrence. The Meier case has several categories of still irreproducible physical evidence, i.e. photos, films, video, sound recordings and metal samples. We are not interested in beliefs, we are interested in facts, in truth and knowledge. We aren't interested in the fear-inducing hallucinations of demons, devils and hells that spewed forth from the twisted minds of confused people. We are leaving the age of beliefs for the age of knowledge. If you wish to delve a little deeper into the Talmud of Jmmanuel to evaluate its truthfulness you can read the excellent work done by James Deardorff. Your quick conclusion that it is wrong and full of mistakes may undergo a little reworking once you do some homework. Michael Horn | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 589 Registered: 02-2000 |
It can be found at http://www.tjresearch.info "THE TALMUD OF JMMANUEL: How this document, discovered in Jerusalem in 1963, ushers in the New Age while exposing the New Testament gospels as being more corrupt than even the Jesus Seminar suspects" | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 06-2000 |
Howard ; How do you answer the scandal of child molestation by Catholic preists ? Isn't your christ capable of protecting little children ? I thought your religion was supposed to be perfect . Try to harmonize that hell with your imaginings of heaven .I'm interested in your authoritarian response . | ||
Kaare New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello Haavard The Norwegian web-page you mentioned is not a FIGU web site and is in no way related to FIGU either. OK, ofc it is easier to read Talmud in Norwegian from this web-page as it is in your/mine original language. But bear in mind this is a pirate translation and can not be trusted to be 100 pct correct. Just one mistranslated word can change the meaning of the whole sentence - SO : The only way to study the Tallmud of Jmmanuel is to purchase the original book from FIGU. You can also use this book to upgrade your German It is written in short sentences. First on your right hand side you can read the English version -then quickly flick your eyes to the left hand page and you see the same sentence translated in German - without having to use the dictionary. In this way you may be able, later, to purchase one of the many books from FIGU and realize what an amazing and interesting case this is, both in depth and wisdom. And the truth it offers, is far more transparent with todays / not to mention the future society we are going into. On the other hand, religion set the society back in time. Ever tried to live in Riyadh for some years and feel how it is to be waken up at 4.30 in the morning by 1450 loudspeakers blasting all over the city, drive on the road and see only men behind the wheel, because woman are not allowed to drive. Then go to the shopping center and see expat woman being whipped by mutawas (religious police) because they have not covered fully part of their legs by the black robe they have to wear outside of their western clothes. This is what religion do to a society when it is left unchecked and when religion becomes the law of the land. You might say this is because this is a Muslim religion and the Christian religion is so much more modern and better. But is it ? On top of the mountain I used to climb, women was burned as HEX or WITCHES long time ago. Shorter time ago, within the last 300 years, also terrible things happened. Up in the hillside from the farm I grew up, I used to play in some stone ruins. This used to be a small house placed in the end of an avalanche track. At the odd winter, when the avalanche came down really heavy from the mountain side, These ruins were buried with snow. You might think this is a strange place to build a house, and it is. Here lived a woman named Anna Blodbytte (Blodbytte means exchange blood). A name she got because she was blamed to have killed her husband. The bible reading men, that placed her there, decided that this was a suitable punishment for her, as she got a 50/50 chance to live or die. If she died, it would have been seen as a sign from God that that was the punishment he wanted. The people on our farm felt sorry for the poor thing, and in secret took her down in safety to the farm, at times in winter when the risk of avalanche was as its peak - so she lived. So can't you see - the falsified book - the Bible is a book of the past. We are now at a stage in our evolution where we are receptive for upgrade to a higher society. Which is why the Plejarans stepped in and through Billy Meyer gave us the material for how to live in the future. And all you have to do, is to read it. With the Talmud, as I am not a New Testament scholar, I have to look at reports from people who are well versed in these things. And I must say that Professor Jim Deardorff have given a very convincing research which I accept, but you will have to make up your own mind - and that is up to you. To read it got to : www.tjresearch.info/ If you still feel Talmud is false, and the New Testament is OK in its current form, suggest you go to your local Church group and discuss it in debt with them. However this group will not listen to your reincarnation theories, so you will have to take that, and discuss it, with another group. I can see a problem with that, do you ? Another thing you can do is to air your special theories on one of the many Christian chat group on the internet and I suspect you will find like minded people that 'feel' the same. Peace in knowing Best regards Kaare Bergheim | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Joseph, I'd still like to hear what Billy has to say concerning Jmmanuels baptism because somehow I just can buy into the fact that he did this just for show to the people because of old Jewish beliefs. Greetings Howard, How can you say here that the holy spirit is not creation itself because he is identified as a person? Ok if he's a person, then I'd really would like to meet this guy, and I mean human body and all!! I know Christians claim to be touched by the holy spirit when they faint in their churches, but not once have I ever heard of the holy spirit being an actual person by any Christian I've met. If he is a person, then he should be called the "holy person", NOT "holy spirit". Already there is no logic in your thinking to support the facts. Actually HELL is a state of mind or belief caused by the absence of knowing, "to live without wisdom" as apposed to "not to live without wisdom", as you say. Personality is just the non constant conditioned responses to lifes experiences which includes peoples beliefs leading to a false sense of self. Devils and demons are all part of our religious history, becasue religion has quite a history of creating its own devils and demons! -Truthseeker | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 05-2003 |
Hi Mark, ofcourse icannot defend the actions of the castholic priests. Its horrible. But i do recocnicninize evil forces also, and i think thats special with our planet, because of christ. THe evil forces come from such a high level we cant understand. To not take these peoples statements who have discovered these things is meaningless. Influencing humans is not the hardest thing in the world, especially "confused christians". Heaven is ofcouse not correspondable with childmolestators. We are only saved by mersy, nothing less, only because God loves us, and dont wants us to perish. UI also wnat you to know that im only 22 years old, so im not that kind of of authorotain. Ive been reconing myself as an anarchist, for many years now, even though im more of a socialist now. Another thing that is bothering me is that BIlly clains to be the incarnation of Muhammed. His teachings does not at all correspond with the Islam teachings. I think its a silly statement. Also Ptaah seems to lack a total meaning of respect for tose who have diffrent views. According to cosmic laws no one has the right to condem anyone for their beliefs. Look at this from the 251 contact; "The public will believe them, all the other frauds, deceivers, charlatans, delusional individuals, and those who are capable of mesmerizing many stupid faithful followers in matters concerning extraterrestrials, God, Jesus Christ, Mary and Joseph, Moses and other sundry saints and masters, for Man is too easily deceived and too gullible in his search for truth. Howard | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 590 Registered: 02-2000 |
Kaare, Its Meier not Meyer! | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 591 Registered: 02-2000 |
Howard, "Another thing that is bothering me is that BIlly clains to be the incarnation of Muhammed. His teachings does not at all correspond with the Islam teachings. I think its a silly statement." You need to read Billys booklet about it? Then you will understand what happened with Mohammad. Those Who Lie About Contacts Information on liars, cheats and frauds in the UFO community and false claims of contact with Ashtar and Hatonn among others. Quotations from the books "OM" and "An Open Word" presents a profile of the man called Mohammed explaining much about his actual task on Earth. (41 pages) | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 05-2003 |
TS Jmmanuel didn't do it just for show to the people because of old Jewish beliefs. He did it out of respect for John the Baptist, and also out of respect for the old laws of god (not Jewish beliefs). It can be questioned why Jmmanuel needed to see John at all. But again I think this was just out of respect for John, of whom Jmmanuel said, chapter 11, verse 16: "...among all those born of women, no one has arisen who is greater than John the Baptist." | ||
Jay Member Post Number: 201 Registered: 01-2002 |
Hi Howard, I think your feelings and Skepticism of the PLEJARANS and the MISSION as whole should be taken to the SKEPTICS corner section of this Discussion board. If you are on your way to understanding the Mission which has been given to Billy, please understand that the old notions of Information are passing us and we have become just a Tinge closer to spiritual development which is making us go from the times of BELIEF to the the new era of evolution of THE AGE OF KNOWLEDGE. Take into consideration this is the here and now and the old bagage of religions. A closer understanding of our place on earth as well as the Universe, the PLEJARANS certainly have created that arena of investigation and enlightment. Moderator: If a person does not feel the Meier contacts are real, or they doubt this and that about the extraterrestrials, their posts should not necessarily be relegated to the Skeptic's Corner. If their posts question the validity of the Talmud, for instance, they could be placed in the Talmud Jmmanuel area, provided that the intent is to learn and be productive (and respectful of the thoughts/beliefs of others). Of course this also applies to those who feel the contacts and Mission are real. Most people that are here in this Discussion Board in the first place because they are interested and intrigued to SOME degree; they want to learn and/or they want to question the Meier information and compare it to what they've learned, whether or not it's done using a skeptical approach. BE WELL | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Joseph, Error correction to my above post actually is: "I'd still like to hear what Billy has to say concerning Jmmanuels baptism because somehow I just "can't" buy into the fact that he did this just for show to the people because of old Jewish beliefs". BUT not yo worry because I see you read it the way I had intended. OK Jmmanuel probably did this out of respect for John the Baptist but I wtill would like to here it from Billy. -Truthseeker | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 06-2000 |
Yes Howard , evil forces are special with our planet because of christ . you learn fast . I agree also with your other commment also : Influencing humans is not the hardest thing in the world , especially "confused christians". This describes you exactly . You come here because you know that you will find the honest truth here , and some gladly give their experience and clear knowledge . You are like a squeeky wheel ; you make a lot of noise complaining about Billy and his Mission . Heed also : silence after the oil , or it is wasted on you. | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 05-2003 |
I do not exactly complain about Billy and his mission, I have great respect for his prensenting of ancient earth history and his spiritual teachings. What I do not like, is his some what special view of the new testament, and some of the OT, which I believe is false. I believe the Pleajarens believe its not healthy for humans to have religions, and that their therefore have given us these alternative views on the bible and the Koran. I will not accept the truth unless it can be proved, and I think taht is a good example for everyone. I think its suspicious that the Talmud suddenly was "burned", by an accident etc, and the plejarens should have known that to. They are clearsighted, and they should take advantage of that to. Howard. | ||
Jay Member Post Number: 202 Registered: 01-2002 |
Howard, The Christian religion started by a group of people and not by Jmmanuel, it states it quite well in the Bible if you really understand the writtings of the so called writers of the book or books. Jmmanuel (or they call him Jesus Christ)"NEVER" proclaimed and establish any religion. He basically gave out the information by his mission and that of our coming future from his father and great Teacher Gabriel at the time, which is still ungoing through Billy Meier. This information is more about where we come from and how we began our state of existence here on earth through creation and human ancestry. It makes perfect sense that the PLEJARANS have been in hidden bases throughout the earth for over 3,000 years which very well connects this with the lenght of time Jmmanuel has passed on (which is 2,000 years ago). This alone is a perfect fact by the PLEJARANS since they have mentioned this in the Contact notes. So I have no arguments against the validity of information in the Billy Meier Information and mission wether is scientifical fact or prophetic. A person needs to really look at these calculations to see a high percentage of what the PLEJARANS are saying and proving is actually on point in its accuracy. Example of the 3,000 year time alone gives you an accurate idea of how long this mission has been around and also how the time frames match perfectly with the passing of Jmmanuel. as you stated from the contact notes "The public will believe them, all the other frauds, deceivers, charlatans, delusional individuals, and those who are capable of mesmerizing many stupid faithful followers in matters concerning extraterrestrials, God, Jesus Christ, Mary and Joseph, Moses and other sundry saints and masters, for Man is too easily deceived and too gullible in his search for truth. These statements made by PTAAH are examples of a GOD who is taking us out of this darkness and confusion to set the record straight, I cannot think of any other GOD or GODS who have done positive for us to develop further. Once you go through many years of research into the Billy Meier material you can begin to see more and more of what is going on and the effects in your own personal way of living and how you can improve on the human thought processes. Jump on the case a bit at a time so you can find what the mission is all about and research those things in history which connect very well with what the PLEJARAN's are stating. If this does not fit your understanding for a spiritual lifestyle free from Demons and the like, it is OK, is not for everyone and your points are well taken and respected. Others have come and gone and many have changed their views about their reality and existence. BE WELL | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 06-2000 |
Howard ; you posted : "I do not exactly complain about Billy and his mission, I have great respect for his prensenting of ancient earth history and his spiritual teachings." Considering your well know opinion , This is what we call it in my part of the world : " Talking from both sides of your mouth ". MCampbell | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 05-2003 |
Ami talking from both sides of my mouth? I only Question, the talmud end some parts of the ancient earth history, and every other person in my opinion should be in possesion of healthy sceptisism. Its awfull when people who claim to have the truth cannot be open for alternative answers on it. It seems to me like the Plejarens give us alternative views on the bible because they mean its not healthy for us with religion, and give us natural laws instead, witch kind of is a "road to perdition", meaning we all are going to perish totally into creation and nature. I cannot see why truthfull extra-terrestrials will claim to have the absolute truth on everything. Howard | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 06-2000 |
There is a great need for people on this planet to get on with positive paths for thier own lives . We cannot make choices for other people , we cannot have real in depth conversations with people that we do not know , cannot see , who we have absolutely no knowledge of except by what they say . After a while it becomes obvious that all communications with certain persons are fruitless and time - wasting . If they disagree , then let them disagree .Nothing you do or say will convince them because you simply can't do another person's thinking for them . This website is informative , and being such , should be used by people to exchange and share information .If someone who misuses the available knowledge to argue constantly about every little thing , then they waste their own time , and especially the time of all the others who are really only trying to learn . One may critisize and attempt to get into personal battles , but after calling them like I see them , I have nothing left to argue about .Good luck to those people ; I truly hope that they recognize the value of it all and use it for their own benefit and to help others in the world , and at least not harm others . But time demands an end to my involvement with them , regardless of what they may say now , or in the future . And so I commit a final Goodbye to them once and for all , in complete respct and peace . Salome , Mark | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 05-2003 |
Mark Don’t you think you should consider replying to persons like Howard differently to how you have been replying to him? It is clear that he is interested in what the Mission and the spiritual teachings are all about, or he would not be here “wasting his time”. I think it is only fair to say that his experiences have led him here, and so for this reason if you are confident in the knowledge you would like to share with him and others like him, you should not feel you have to shut him out or draw a line because he continues to disagree with you. As a member of FIGU you represent all that it stands for. Don’t you think then that from an outsider’s point of view your non-constructive replies reflect on FIGU? Teaching is not a religious mission and learning is not a potential proselyte. Yet your manner of sharing your knowledge is ‘I am right and you are wrong’. A person, however, needs to be able to comprehend what he is being taught, and not all persons are able to comprehend in the same way. Some comprehend easily, others don’t, and if you are confident in the knowledge you possess, for the sake of those who aren’t able to make your life easy you need to be more patient, more receptive, understanding and able to approach the situation differently. If you are not able to do this, then you should refrain from sharing your knowledge and try to understand it a bit better yourself, so as to acquire the confidence you need in order to share it confidently with others without having to constantly defend yourself against them. I think above all this is what FIGU and its Mission stands for. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 06-2000 |
Joseph ; I don't know you , and yet you make rules for me to live by . I did not close the door for this other person to come to this website to learn . Being a FIGU member does not mean that everyone adopt a prescribed "walk and talk" like jehova's witnesses . I use my own thinking in everything I do , and the FIGU does not tell it's members how to communicate with others , and neither should you . If they did , then I would have heard from them already about this. If my posts were unwanted , then the moderators would not have put them through .Maybe this is something that you don't know about yet , and therefore you assume that you should be my master . I don't know who you are . Is Joseph Emmanuel your real name ?. I don't see how your post to me was constructive , but it does seem that you want to argue . I recommend this to you , since you seem to be intent on controlling me : Don't . I have told you what I think about this , and you could be spending your time posting better , and everyone else's time reading better by patiently , receptively and understandingly helping out this person that you critisize me for . In clear terms , it's not your business .Unless you become a moderator , this kind of JUDGEMENT on your part is unwelcomed by me . Maybe this seems unfriendly to you . You did attack my character somewhat and put into question my standing as a FIGU member .Sometimes harsh words are necessary to make your point understood . I definitely am not trying to win any popularity points with Anyone , nor am I playing to public favor . Maybe others agree with you . It really doesn't matter . Each one of us has to motivate ourselves by our own power and "carry our own water ". It does not mean that being in the mission means to missionize , or be missionaries . Could finally answer my question : Is that your real name ? Mark Campbell ( my real name) This will be the last post in this section regarding the previous dialogue. If people wish to continue discussing with the goal of reaching a common understanding, this should occur in the new section entitled "A Path Towards Mutual Understanding. If the goal of this dialogue is to have the last word, any continued posting will either be rejected or should occur through private e-mails. Thank you-Moderator | ||
Larry_driscoll Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 05-2003 |
Mark, Larry Driscoll here, could you email me your postal mailing address as well as your email address. I wish to send you a recent German to English translation of mine concerning the Destroyer Comet. I have sent this information to Michael Horn, Norm DeCindis and Scott Baxter for their review and comment. Norm has responded, Michael and Scott have not. As well at FIGU Christian is reviewing the translation. Your viewpoint is very much welcomed upon review of the information. Larry email: larrydriscoll@msn.com Larry Driscoll | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Larry , it's good to hear from you . I will send that right away . Many thanks , Mark | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 05-2003 |
Hi moderator, could you please add this question in my post, "What is Deja Wu, what causes schizophrenia and can it affect the intelligence?" It would indeed be helpfull. Hi Howard, The Questions for Billy section has been closed. Your welcome to resubmit your question when that section re-opens. Thanks-Moderator | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 05-2003 |
Has Billy said anything about which countris that will be spared during the third world war? I certainly hope Norway will be spared for the destruction. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 412 Registered: 07-2000 |
Howard, A similar question was asked regarding this topic in an earlier round of "Questions to Billy" Here is the answer: "It's not important where a person lives compared to what one makes out of one's life, how one thinks and acts. If WWIII really becomes a reality, nobody will be safe anywhere. No country will be spared from the effects." Regards Scott | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 05-2003 |
Hi Scott, I really ment from the really disatrous effects. The real horrorfull full destruction of a country. The long time effects is something else.I really dont understand how this war can become a reality, USA has full controll over every countries armor and weapons, so how can the whole world be destroyed? Why havent Billy said anything about how this war and pre-war is going to evolve? Which lands will be involved in the war? Every country cannot possibly be in a world war 3, I cant believe Norway would agree on such an act, an peaceloving country for ages. I sure would like to hear about this in the next round of questions for Billy. Do you know the answers for any of my questions? Im scared as hell. | ||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 03-2003 |
For details on the unfolding events and results of WWIII, check the German site for the Prophecies of the Prophets Jeremia and Elia. http://www.figu.org/de/download/sendfile.php?Product=voraussagen_jeremia.pdf | ||
Eddioboy Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 04-2003 |
Greetings Mr. Meier, I understand all inter-personal problem situations are unique and require individual solutions, but what is the best way, in general, for dealing with one's severe and deep-seated, long-term anger and resentment towards another person in a case where the other person cannot be avoided, as with an immediate family member? Thanks, Ed Hi Ed, Your best bet would be to post this question when the "Questions for Billy" section opens up. Also you might consider posting this in the "Human Relationships" section, and possibly some of the forum members may be able to help you. Let me know if you want this post moved. Thanks-Moderator | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Ed ; I know this one well . I hope you don't mind that I respond to this with my idea . Generally these kind of relationships are slow forming from other relationships that you had with them at different ages .Even though I am a grown man , some elders see me as a youth . It's hard to change what they see since they have memories that are sharper than their present vision . When each person is "hard wired " into their roles with each other , it takes a little imagination to adopt a new approach to them that is completely new , such as being friendly and casual , instead of being serious and dire . Imagining a conversation is easy , since many of us do this about people we know , usually with predicatable results . However , changing your input away from what's expected may be what's called for . I sincerely hope I'm not barking up the wrong tree , sir . All the best , Mark Campbell | ||
Gicayhwh Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 06-2003 |
Dear Mr. Billy, I have no questions at this time. Please let YHWH Ptaah know that I love Semjase very much. Love you Mr.Billy. Sincerely, Gica Hi Gica, I decided to move your post over into this section, because I wanted to keep all of the questions together. Thanks for your understanding. Moderator | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 06-2000 |
Happy Birthday , Billy and Wishing everyone a Happy(Cosmic)New Year ! Salome , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Philip_george Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2003 |
FOR GICA AND EVERYONE ELSE: This is from the most recent edition of the Pleiadian-Plejaren Contact Reports, copyright 2002 by "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier, p. 24 (my own unauthorized translation into English): It describes Billy's first meeting with Semjase and we have our first meeting with her in our minds when we read it. This was on January 28, 1975 as he saw a figure approach him from a distance: BILLY: "The head was free and open and undoubtedly it was recognized that it was a woman or dealt simply with a female being. Her expression was free and open and nothing indicated a superhuman-ness, arrogance or spiritualization. She seemed quite simply to be a normal person, without super-qualities and without super-beauty or other-world-beauty. She also walked completely like a normal female only more firm, certain and not emphasizing daintiness like so many typical earthly women. She walked exactly like a female being that actually is a female being. Nothing gave out a female exaggeration and a female parading around, probably from a natural self-confidence, certainty and natural grace. "Slowly this being came to me, grasped me by the arm and pulled me up. The grip of the woman was firm and certain, yet very pleasant and somehow guaranteed safety. Slowly in steps, we walked to a near-by fir tree, where we both simply sat down by the trunk in the dry grass. "Then the UFO-woman began to speak, not in my Mother-tongue, however, but in a perfect German with a very peculiar accent. The introductory communication was not so very long, yet the conversation that followed lasted a longer time before the woman left again in the spaceship, vanished and flew away." | ||
Eddioboy Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hello Billy, In Contact 251 you raise the issue of the criminal neglect to monitor the Earth from outer space. What in particular do you see as the more serious, near-term threat: asteroids that will impact the Earth or extraterrestrials that will attack the Earth? With best regards, Ed Hi Ed, This question would probably be best suited in the "Questions to Billy" section. Since it is closed until the next round, I will leave it in this section until the question section opens up again and then it can be moved. If you could please remind me or any of the other moderators it would greatly insure that it gets taken care of. Thank you-Moderator-Scott | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 03-2004 |
I was wondering what the explanation is for Billy, as a higher level spirit form, being able to interact with Earth humans, while the Plejarens cannot. Seems like I read it before somewhere, but I've looked back through my material and I can't find the answer. | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hello Hunter (I used to love watching that series - "It works for me!" The reason why the Plejarans are not able to interact humans is because they are more spiritually advanced than us, and so for this reason their vibrational energies will conflict with our vibrational energies. Billy, on the other hand, although he is more spiritually advanced than the Plejarans, is able to interact with us because his spirit form is from the Aharat Athersata level, which means that he has a conscious spirit form (unlike the Plejarans and we on Earth, who have unconscious spirit forms) that is able to adapt to all kinds of lower spiritual levels. This is what makes him the perfect medium to act as prophet, something the Plejarans couldn't hope to fulfil, for their lack of adaptability. I think I have this right. Please correct me anyone if not. Peace and wisdom to everyone here, moderators included (goes without saying) Joseph | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 580 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hello, Does anyone know how Billy's spirit form actually got here in order to start its reincarnational cycle on Earth as Henok? Any comments? Regards Scott | ||
Nickm Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi, For the guy with the anger interpersonal problem, you might want to try this thing at www.emofree.com (free). And for the guy who wondered about the cause/cure for schizophrenia you might want to take a look at the site of the doctor who found all that 20 years ago at www.drmckenzie.com (free). Hi Nickm Could you be more specific in who you are referring to? If you could cite the date,person and section you are responding to, this may help others understand the intent of your message. Thanks-Moderator | ||
Tjames New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear members, I have a question regarding Randolph Winters. I initially heard about Eduard Meier through this source but have since come to find out that he is on the figu website listed as someone to ignore. My question is if he is not a qualified or recommended speaker and author for the The Meier case,(for example "The Pleiadian Mission" the book as well as "The Pleiadian Connection" the movie) than what has Randolph accomplished to get on such a list. If I was to take a stab at it I would guess he either did not get some information correct and or entirely made up sections. Although I do remember reading something about him possibly releasing information to early without permission by Billy. In either case I would just like to know the the truth of the matter. With kind regards, Tim | ||
Claes Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 07-2002 |
Scott, In my opinion the person Henok came here as a spacetraveller in a spaceship and died on earth and then reincarnated on earth in other personalities, often with the same name Henok (later Henoch). (As many persons have written before the spiritform is bound to the planet that the previous personality(person) dies on) In the latest Bulletin 50 Hans Georg Lanzendorfer has written some about the Prophets Nokodemjon, Henoch and Henok and the other ones until Billy. Maybe use the online translators. http://www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/50/henok-henoch.htm If I have understood it correctly HG Lanzendorfer writes that the mission started 12 Billion years ago with the person Nokodemjon whose work was later continued by several persons with the names Henok and then later Henoch and then the other prophets and last Billy. According to the article both Nokodemjon and Henok were reincarnated many times and named the same names. This means that there were several following personalities with the name, Nokodemjon, who were of the same lineage (same spiritform). The same was true for personalities with the name Henok and later Henoch. Over billions of years the names of the reincarnating prophet changed from Henok to Henoch. From the article: Letztmals erschien Henok vor 389000 Jahren auf der Erde, um dann vor rund 13500 Jahren erstmals mit der abgeänderten Namensform Henoch und als erster Prophet der sogenannten ‹Späteren Zeit› in Erscheinung zu treten. Translation: Ultimately (eventually) Henok appeared on earth 389000 years ago, to then approximately 13500 years ago for the first time appear with the changed name form Henoch and as the first Prophet of the so-called ‹Old time›. Salome, Claes | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 585 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hello Claes, The reason I asked this is because Randolph Winters has a slightly different explaination in his book. Something to the effect that Billy's Spirit form entered another person, and then that person died on earth. It sounds pretty far fetched. Thanks for your information. Salome Scott | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 453 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Claes and Scott.... Claes, its good for you to have posted this Bulletin's contents. The contents is familiar to me. I came across such information many years back and did not take it serious, and was confused..because it mentioned that Nokodemjon was a Human, and thus..not a name of a Spirit-form, as it has been stated on other Figu material information...etc. And took it as being Translation Errors. So it is now obvious that that information was True based Fact. So, as it seems, from your posting and the Bulletin, this should be taken seriously and as Fact..Nokodemjon being a Human. Thus, the information I read back years ago was Correct. Which clears up all Misunderstandings. And of course Billy making Clear that Nokodemjon was a Human, and there being 2 Nokodemjons..also. As he answered to my question. Well, this is a Correction that deserved Correction! Thus, the Errors on stating that Nokodemjon was a Spirit-form, by translation Error...or other Misunderstandings...should be Rectified. Knowing that there were FIGU members stating this in their postings and other dialogs, not? Which Misled many with this information. Just to Update Facts. We Do...want to Prevent Mistakes...not? But, as they say: "Where There Is Labor, Mistakes Will Be Made". (And we should Acknowledge this in it's Most Positive form/critique) Well done... Edward. | ||
Bjljvyr2 New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 09-2005 |
To anybody: So what is the answer regarding Randy Winters? Along with that, please reveal something about the Miami contact person - Oddrain. Adrain? | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Bj, Nice to meet you! Your questions and answers regarding Mr. Winters, Adrain and among many others can be located by doing a simple word search of figu written materials, just scroll to the top of the screen (once you are in figu discussion board) and you will see links of topics such as "topics, profiles, member list" and below "help" you will see "SEARCH" next to a magnifying glass. You can use this helpfull tool to search for recent or old litterature anywhere on the figu discussion forum or the website itself. As far as your answers go here is a link for the same question I asked a little while ago. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/4249.html#POST14464 Good luck finding what you need. Saalome, Tim | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Adrian is a liar and his photos are a fraud, if you want to grow in this life, you should learn to recognize this kind of facts by yourself, ask not only to other persons (which is not something wrong), but principally to yourself, why this?, why that? etc etc , try always to get to the bottom of every subject that interests you and the most important thing : NEVER BELIEVE IN ANYTHING, even if it takes years or your entire lifetime you can discover the truth by yourself take care | ||
Bjljvyr2 New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 09-2005 |
Tim: Thank you for your eloquent response. I'll try for my answers that way. I have found out that all of my UFOish questions have been answered by being involved with the Billy Meier case, most assuredly by having And Still They Fly. Thanks again, Brent | ||
Ascension Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2004 |
good day Billy and Figu members! I would like to ask Mr.Meier about an invention in austrailia that claim to have invented a over unity generator. Its called the Lutec 1000. Are the claims the inventors make true? Thanks for your time and have a good day! Hi Ascension, To the best of my knowledge Billy does not read the English FIGU Forum. The only way to submit questions to Billy is to post your question in the Questions to Billy Answered section (http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/1871.html) At present the section is closed while Billy answers the current round of questions. I have seen the Lutec website and it sounds good, but I don't believe they are selling it to the public yet? Regards Scott-Moderator | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 03-2003 |
This is for Bjljvyr2 in regards to what I found out with the Adrian UFO contact case. Last I heard, Randy Winters gave up on the whole Pleiadian thing altogether since his dealings with Adrian. Also I did my own investigations into the Adrian UFO case since even Sean David Morton admitted to me that the guy went crazy. However I got to know this other woman in Florida who actually spent some time with him and his now X-girlfriend and had this much to say: -------------------------- Fri, 10 May 2002. Dear James, About Adrain, everything you heard from Sean David Morton sounds very true, it is all I know about him too. He stayed here for about a week at my home with his old girlfriend who was pregnant at the time and who had been in the space ships with him, or so he claimed. Adrain made a lot of claims we were not sure of at all. He took off with a German girl he had met on the West coast called Carmen, to Germany and lived with her for a while, I was still in touch with them. She was very pretty and very sweet. I lost touch after he beat her up. I don't know if they are still together. I heard he has a lot of money now and is doing really well financially, giving classes in Germany and other countries. Adrain is a good soul but his ambition overruled everything, he would let nothing get in the way of that. I haven't spoken to his old girlfriend (Claudine) for a while, the one that had the baby, but the baby turned out just fine (it was not his) a little girl and should be all of about two just now. She may call me again as she has in the past. That is the extent of my involvement with them except that we were considering Claudine living with me during her pregnancy, which would have been an awful mistake. I can't tell you more except for the fact that Adrain is very, very intuitive and extremely psychic, in the gifted range. That he had contacts is something we will all have to decide for ourselves, he also claimed to be working for the CIA, so who knows? He said he liked to tell the truth and then untruths to keep himself safe, he was not above lying in other words. He was not an easy person to deal with, to say the least and as a small man I felt he had a Napoleonic complex. I wish him well on his quest and hope he finds what he is looking for. That is all I can tell you for now James, as I really don't wish to be involved with such a complex personality anymore. I will not help him to any extent on my behalf, unless it has to do with the ETs. I hope I have answered your questions, I don't want to spread rumors about Adrain, but tell you of my personal experiences with him. People in our group loved him and the information he imparted. He was an insomniac and almost never slept at night, he would sleep during the day, I felt he was filled with fear on many levels. He is another soul on his journey through space and time like all of us, making mistakes, learning through his experiences. I hold no hard feelings toward him, but would rather not help him as a promoter right now. He lost my interest on many levels because he is so tormented by his own doings. ...... Love & Light, S- -------------------- She also made mention that this other guy who likes to call himself "Johnny Starship" created the beam-ship photos for him. I have to admit that's something that not even CFI West could do, but still does not beat the picture quality of Billy Meier's. One of Adrian's night time beam-ship photos taken from in his car actually turns out to be the light reflection of his rear view mirror. His all time UFO video footage was created by filming the light reflection of a lamp shade on sliding glass doors which you can easily see when it is tipped over a bit to show a bit of light off the top directly from the light bulb behind it. BTW; Adrian's real name is "Manny Iscandon". Peace in knowing, James Truthseeker | ||
Mhurley Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hi All, I've just had a bit of fun compiling a list (to the best of my knowledge of all the various witesses to the ETs associated with Meier's contacts)... If anyone has any corrections/additions please feel free to add. It's surprising how many witnessed there are not just to the craft but the actual ETs over the years. 1)Father Zimmerman - 1940s(?) Sfath telepathic communication in Switzerland 2)Adamski witnessed Asket along with Billy at a Zurich UFO conference 1959 3)Jitschi witnessed and communicated with Meier and Asket in Jordan 1959? and went back in time with them. 4)Phobol Cheng & her father Monk Dharmawara both witnessed and had communication with Asket India 1960s 5)Elsie Schroder March 1975 Turkey witnessed & communicated with Semjase 6) Englebert Wachter - late 1970s Switzerland witnessed Quetzel 7) Bruhilde Koye Sept 1983 Switzerland witnessed Ptaah (with brief telepathic communication) Also Swami Ramana Sarma, Ananda Mahatma these may have witnessed/ had communication with Asket in the Ashram in India in the 1960s- not sure Another not sure is someone named Maha Chohan who may have had communication with Asket/Sfath in the 1950s. Matt Hurley | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 723 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Matt, Where did you learn about Billy, Asket and George Adamski? Thanks Regard Scott | ||
Mhurley Member Post Number: 114 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hi Scott I had this off Norm : Block 18 contact 349 pg. 3579 Menger , Adamski 12. Now we should not speak however further about it, because in the whole nonsense of the writing no value lies. + then you mean that this work as call it itself, ah nevertheless. under the alias Martin Wiesengruen written, completely worthless is. As you see from my partial answer already written, I am the same opinion as you. In accordance with your data I then still finish the answer. There however still the question is concerning Adamski. Mr. Wellner asks how you see here in its letter. Am I to be silent to the question or to partly or answer her openly? Ptaah 13. A free and open answer might be probably appropriate, because the interrogator seems to be interested honestly in it. + and concerning Menger - which I am to say there? Ptaah 14. Erleile the answer so that I as with Adamski and other one, saw that it personal also at trees and between buildings at thin threads to hung up aircraft models, which should represent extraterrestial flight apparatuses. Film and photographs made and these as genuine spent and world-wide announced. + well then I must give an answer not separately to ,but add only the discussion excerpt of your evenly given explanation into my letter in reply to Mr. Wellner. Ptaah 15. You can do that in such a way. 16. Thus I agree. + and as it stands with the fact that you could convey the discussion with Adamski to me literally from your recordings? Ptaah 17. The discussion with George Adamski had not been also noted unexpectedly and therefore by Asket . 18. Therefore I cannot repeat and not convey you the exact word sequences also later also. 19. Meinerseits can correct I you at the most on the basis the instructions Askets, because she told me the whole happening. +well then I want to try whether I still bring the whole together after so long time. If somewhat does not correspond to the occurences at that time, then correct me please : .............................. pg. 3580 Billy goes to an Adamski Lecture , speaks with It was end of the fifties or at the beginning of the sixties-years, as these charlatan Adamski in Zurich in. at the Helvetia place a schau lasting several hours with very strange 8mm films and weak, ridiculously working explanation speeches to the best one gave. Meinerseits themselves in it interested, I set with Asket in connection then also from the portion was as I together with Paul Christen and still three others from whom I only know the first names . Kurt, Eddy and probably Erich , which Adamski lecture visited. Thus I purchased a ticket, saw his films and listened to his speech the one translator and a translator also into the German language converted. Meinerseits had I on loan a translator of the extraterrestial Asket, which was even also present whereby it however by the technology of its light detour possibility also the Radarsirahlen rejects and returns, for all present ones remained invisible. The translators did not do unfortunately their obligation correctly, which disturbed me likewise like also the public, which quite ungehalten became. Unfortunately I am not able to remember any longer many details, because already more than 40 years are ago nevertheless I still know that me Asket already for a long time before the lecture explained that the statements Adamski's from air are seized and its UFOs nothing different one than models. During the lecture Asket and I became united that I was to hold a conversation with George Adamski after completion of the film and the statements and to confront him with the truth its that all its films with models getuerkt and its whole history rises only from its fantasy, for the purpose, to be famous to want and the world to bereisen be able etc.. Since I knew however at that time no English, I was on Asket's translator angewiesen . me then the also good services carried out. Against 23.30 had gone to o'clock as the listeners made I at Adamski near and asked myself him for a very important personal discussion, without listeners should be thereby. Thus it agreed also - for 15 minutes, how it assured. However, then was necessary Askets Suggestive impulse must be said. Thus we went into a small area - Asket naturally unnoticed going along -. where I it to the speech placed and him fraud and charlatanerie accused, what it denied naturally vehement. Thus I seized to the means, which had suggested Asket to me, i.e. that I it prove can that he sucked the whole of his statements only from the fingers. It explaining that I would stand since my childhood with extraterrestial ones in contact and that an extraterrestial one invisibly in the area present and on it whether its swindle not well was to be spoken, it reacted zornig ( angry) , became loud and hissed that my words were only nonsense, because something such does not give it. There I asked it, how he will behave, if to anhin invisible Asket in the area stands abruptly. And again he hissed that it something such not give cannot. And exactly that was the instant, since Asket switched off her light detour equipment and directly before Adamski from that nothingness emerged. Chalk-bleach and frightened tore his eyes up and was capable of of no word. It may have taken then two, three or four minutes, until he seized himself and he asked stotternd the Asket dressed into a space suit, from where she comes and who she is. Naturally she explained to him the whole connections, whereby I am not able to remember however no more the details, what to the fact led that Adamski apologized and explained with me that I had tapped correctly with my accusation against him . It however everything up largely drew and can now any longer back etc.. because it otherwise in all world does not make themselves impossible. Which he said thereby everything, I remember not more except that he still said that he always very alone feel and therefore the way over the alleged UFOs and to just as alleged extraterrestial ones looked for contacts. That, in order to come with humans into contact, he ........... Matt Hurley | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 748 Registered: 02-2000 |
Scott, Block 18 Contact 349. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 724 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thanks, I did't realize Asket actually appeared in front of Mr. Adamski...too much | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2006 |
The forum thread (answered questions from Meier himself)is an area of the discusion board that not only excites me but also makes unsettled feelings to surface.I can't help the urge to form my question based on that which Meier would want too hear.What I mean is, he is so evolved and the majority of us must seem like, well,(orange peels)ha ha,terrible thing to say indeed.However this correlates with truth as human's are still stuck in the age of beliefs which can never be proven.It would be magical too meet this man,Meier.Captivated by the 70"s doc.,contact his english was excellent.(I'am now aware through my studies and have learned how primitve english is;I have been guilty in talking in what we call slang which simply reararanges meanings of words)So humble of a man.I would like to hear more on people who have met him personally>I'am familiar with his warm hands and would love to hear more.Thank you moderator's for your time and my many excitably driven posting today.Love feeds the spirit>Pudd | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 592 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Isabella.. Your Question to me concerning my posting 328, I will post here. I had posted it in the Genome Science string where you asked the question, but I see it has not been posted, yet. It would be here in its place. IHWH or JHWH...or even YHWH is referring to that same title of: "Ischwsch/ Ish-wish/Jschwjsch". Which Ptaah is being addressed as/to. Ptaah carries this title. The mentioned is the Male Title of "King of Wisdom". Which is given to One with Great degree of Knowledge and Wisdom that a human being can acquire while in the Material Body. Edward. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 308 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Pudd ; Billy is a very real person , in the sense that most people are so often in sections or corners of thought and perception . He seems to be much more aware of many things at once , without becoming distracted . Attentiveness training is evident in him , at least to me . Of course it's not common to be able to really know what a person's mind is like , but he has an impressive presence , without airs . There is a calmness about him , and you get the feeling that he is very patient with anyone he meets .A practical ( pragmatic) personality . Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 02-2006 |
Meiers ability to stay calm and nuetral with all that wisdom within him is truly remarkable.He knows more than any of us about how things truly are and yet he is calm.Human's at today's level for the most part are dominated by emotions.Are emotion's primitive or simply something to learn from.It is the emotion known as anger that seems to be one on the most difficult for many people to escape and is one I would like to eliminate.Although Meier is in his late 60's, his true age interms of evolution must be in the hundreds.Thanks for a little in-sight on Meier Markc as he is the most evolved earth human that our solar system has ever had and yet remains real and pratical.I hope everyday for Meier's mission to be successfull and soon.Salome Pudd | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 10-2005 |
Edward, Thanks! That information was usefful and plus I did not know that it related to Ptaah and that it means king of wisdom(reminds me of king solomon) Thanks again! Salome and love to all, Isabella Coca | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 595 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All... The EU(European Union) has already taken steps in giving German Language courses, the last year! A majority want the German Language to be the "Main Spoken language," and thus NOT English. And it seems the French Language will be in second place. It seems, they want as less English being spoken (in preference) when possible..at the governing establishment. So, I think the EU are taking a good and healthy Direction with this Positive approach. The World Language of the Future - German - has taken its course......as mentioned by Billy and the Plejarans!!! This is indeed..Good and Healthy Starters! Edward. | ||
Janimetso Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hello, I am asking this question here, pertaining to Rarena's message (Tuesday, May 02, 2006 - 10:07 am) in the "The Planet Earth: The Environment" category, where "Billy's arm" is mentioned. I wonder what that has to do with the cause and effect, as if it was some "debt paying" for some things happened in the past. Also Jmmanuel and the Romans are mentioned in that post. I have thought for a long time, that the missing arm incident happened to Billy in order for him to gain some insight and to learn from it. I have thought the same about Jmmanuel's experiences. Maybe I don't understand something correctly now. I have tried to use the "search" option on this forum, with and without quotation marks, but I didn't find anything. Any opinions or clarification? Kindly, Jani | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Jani, The law of cause and effect is greatly misinterpreted. It is riddled with religious connotations that have no basis in reality. A common misconception is, say, if a person takes another person's life in degeneration then they will lose their life in a similar manner in their current life, or in a future incarnation. This is false. However, that person must realize the consequences of their actions and they must endure the hardships brought about by this. For example, a soldier who has killed innocent human beings in a war. Hence the need for harsh punishments where they are due. Cause and effect has more direct consequences, for example, if we continue polluting and populating the Earth then we must deal with poorer quality air, food and water, less living space and so on. From what I have read, Billy knew in advance of this occurence of losing his arm. Asket told him of future events which he was able to understand and did not attempt to change. Regards Adam | ||
Janimetso Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hello Adam, Thank you for the information. The misinterpretation and distortion of the meaning of "cause and effect" is familiar to me. It is just the way how it was described in the post I mentioned, that made me wonder. Salome, Jani | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Jani, First thank you to Scott and all the people who help make this site and FIGU.org possible, this is an excellent resource material. Part of this letter was reproduced so those that are interested will not have to go to the other area of the forum to see what Jani is talking about. Jani, thank you for reading my post to Dyson, really appreciate it. Billy mentioned in either contact 249 or 257 about those "friends" who are nice as pie yet do not help my mentioning your shortcomings. Jani is doing that and I apprecite it. The dichotomy idea may not be in line with Billy's thinking and will have to ask him someday...The post previously printed in the Environment is as follows. The idea was; that the laws of cause and effect don't need our help, we will be reminded until we learn. The example was Billy, who I consider to be a most advanced spirit on Earth at this time and even though he is extremely advanced at one time able to commune with and join Arahat Athersata, he still has cause and effect to deal with. As to what caused him to lose his arm, that may be private and I would not ask him. Any prophetic individual will suffer greatly due to this cause and effect relationship. The idea in context to the answer to Dyson's question about my idea dichotomies; to drop the lower animal, egoist, materialist, psyche and get away from comparisons, egoistic dualities and to be "for" rather than "against" ANYTHING. All of us going in one direction so to speak. There are several layers to the human form. It can be analogized (is that a word?) as relative energies measured in frequencies. 1.) The body, the most dense and least expansive. 2.) Sound, singing is a higher more expansive frequency. 3.) Light, the speed of light and higher yet. 4.) Thought, Billy can contact Arahat Athersata or we can invision that Galaxy and come back, far faster than light! Or we can go, in our minds to the Center of the Milky way and back with a thought in a split second. 5.) Spirit. The highest, most expansive frequency. When inline with this... you become inspired, multitasking becomes easy and well being and inner peace are the norm. No limitations. Open to everything attached to nothing. The spirit, being infinite connects to the mind which, in the three dimensions, is finite. So thinking in three dimensions is difficult to KNOW which direction to go in. It is not physical. We live in a Universe, a Uni Verse, one song in Latin... To me, that means... we are one, in harmony with each other... enjoying and helping each other. There is no them, only us. By feeling separate, at any time... it means you are moving away from harmony, dissonance causes peturbations in the frequency and everyone else feels what those in disharmony feel. Although the more aligned with spirit the less permanently effected. What we do effects others and vice versa. When you realize that we are all one, and that by helping others, we are also helping ourselves... you tend to think of them even before yourself. We all experience cause and effect in the lower and slower frequencies and that was the reference to Billy and his arm. Even though he has helped thousands and thousands of people reach the goal of Arahat Athersata where he was once destined yet turned down for us to get there first. Some may say that this is a misinterpretation to the laws of cause and effect but cause and effect does not need any help... like gravity does not need help... It is going to happen again and again until we learn. Even if the spirit that enlivens the body of Billy Meier is one of the most advanced spiritual powers of this planet. Saalome, gam naan uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. rarena ô¿ô PS> When you find this mode of consciousness... your thoughts break all their bonds, your consciousness expands in all directions, your mind trancends limitations... You discover a world of peace and contentment and everything falls into place... Dormant forces, faculties and talents come alive and you discover yourself to be a greater person, by far, than you ever dreampt yourself to be... Patajali ~300BC | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 03-2006 |
My dear friend Randy, I would like to have a friendly discussion with you about what you wrote even though I am not qualified to correct anyone at all, in any way, shape or form. I would only like to offer you my very personal opinion, if that is ok with you. ...my idea dichotomies; to drop the lower animal, egoist, materialist, psyche and get away from comparisons, egoistic dualities and to be "for" rather than "against" ANYTHING.... This is gonna seem like nitpicking on my part but it is a very important point. Your choice of words is very important when expressing yourself. The power of languange, as has been said by Billy and by many others is "monsterous". I like reading Billy's ideas on paper because from the very very little that I've read, I find it hard to refute because it takes into account all possible points of view and there is great wisdom contained within. Also, they are very difficult to misinterpret unless you lack the necessary knowledge to understand them. So, back to what you wrote, the words "animal" and "lower" and "egotistical" sound to me to be a little too harsh and therefore not the appropriate words. We humans are also part animal but we also have very very great potential. The fact that one is using one's potential to learn and to lift oneself out of ignorance is cause enough to be elevated beyond the realm of an animal. We do have people of lower spiritual evolution but we are all equal. The person's worth must be saparated from the behaviour. The behaviour must be dealt with separately on its own, but making mistakes does not lower the person as a human being. Have you read Billy's readings on torture and the death penalty? It talks all about it. Also the word egotistical is a little harsh, because all egotistical people are wrongly lead, but not all wrongly lead people are necessarily egotistical. It would just be simpler and more effective to say "wrongly led". ...By feeling separate, at any time... it means you are moving away from harmony, dissonance causes peturbations in the frequency and everyone else feels what those in disharmony feel... It is important to say that nobody has inner harmony, as long as we are in the physical plane. Not even Billy. Billy gets tired and becomes stressed sometimes, and also needs sleep to take care of himself as we all do in our physcal plane. Even the harmony the Herr Billy Meier has achieved is by no means perfect until it his turn (and ours) to once again become one with Creation. So to move away from something that we never had in the first place is not logical. I hope I don't come off sounding like a jerk or a sh*%t-picker because you are very talented and much more knowledgeable than me in many respects. I am only 25 and a simple auto mechanic and student in life, but I thought I would just offer you my simple opinion in this respect because it was me that started the whole contraversy about the dichotomies thing. Take care, Sonik. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Sonik, Thank you for your comment, it is greatly appreciated. No, you're not a nit picker, it is understanding that we seek and that is the way to understanding. This is the very same fact written about previously. Two things that are very basic to the laws of higher coinciousness or understanding: 1.) NEVER be offended. Some people wake up wanting to be offended and with that attitude they will find it at every turn. It is a mistake of the intellect. We are not our ego. 2.) NEVER Blame another for where you are in life. We create our own reality and if we had to wait for another to get better in order for us to improve; we may have a very long wait. Although, if we take responsibility for our actions right now! We can change our lives for the better: Instantly! As to dichotomy...The idea of dichotomies goes in two directions by its very nature. To be involved using your mind in this way seems like more energy is being used producing the same result with half the energy by thinking infinitly (spiritually) rather than linearly. Non linear thinking is non sectarian, non temporal and resonates with truth and beauty. But those are just words, you can not get "wet" by the word water... It is only a word. It is what you learn or perceive from the words that's important. My intention, as to the use of words... is not to deceive, manipulate, or judge, it is only to promulgate peace,love and infinite harmony. When someone judges you, that does not mean they are correct in their judgements it only shows their need to judge. Why do they have to judge you may ask. When you allow someone to have an effect on your behavoir you are allowing them to control you. In other words, if you seek approval from someone, that person can control you. Why would you want that? Why give them so much power? That is outside of you and therefore not within your control. In a crowd of a thousand people, there are a thousand different opinions of who you are. If you want people to approve of you, then, stop seeking approval and they will love and care for you even more. Just because another person calls you stupid, does not make you stupid, it is only that person's need to judge. We cannot get behind the eyeballs of another person and see what they see and feel what they feel, nor can we decree what level another person is at or should we judge them in any way, such as the harseness of their words. We can only be responsible for our own actions and integrity. True nobility is not being better than anyone else, we can only be better than we were before. Dr. David Hawkins in his book, Truth vs Falsehood and an earlier book called Power vs Force, has a way of calibrating energy using Kensithesiology (Sp?). This consciousness calibration is from 0 to 1000 and the lower levels below 300 require force to get the job done and above 300 to 1000 use power the power of the Universe: (Creation) to accomplish the same goal. The lower forms of human emotion are governed by the ego. The ego (in all of us with physical bodies) protects us from running into quickly moving traffic "just for fun". It has been around for centuries and tells us when we should fight or fly in any given circumstance. It comes with the more animalistic (physical) body. The ego gets drawn in by TV commercials and is effected by "better than I" type of situations, Higher functioning individuals or those aspiring to be, realise that we are all equal and that we are better than no one else. The egos mantra is "More More More" or "Gimme Gimme Gimme" and what we give the Creation it returns to us. So if we want these things from the Universe we get the more more more or Gimme gimme gimme back from it. The more spiritually aware you are, the more "in service" you are, and that mantra may be "How may I serve" to which the Universe replies "How may I serve". The more higher awareness you allow into your life, the more sycronicities, multitasking and falling into place occurs. Kind of like lining up the pinion gear perfectly and the transmission drops right in the first time. Everything just falls into place. Judgement is not performed by higher consciousness people, those that resonate with the higher energy tend to be more "service" oriented rather than "self" oriented. What we do for a living is not important either. Any King or leader sitting on any throne of the world is just as great as you are, we are all equal in this respect. Whether a mechanic or President of the United States we are all equal. Ghandi, when a man threw down his expensive Ermin tail cloak for him to walk across a muddy puddle said, "You're just as important person as I" and did not walk across it. We cannot define another person, we can only watch our own integrity and moral character and obey the laws of creation. Live our lives in purpose, not our job, but our purpose. Here, I've got a little game for you... Point to yourself... Go ahead, noones' watching... It is not your head that you're pointing to is it? No. It's your heart. That's your purpose, follow that and you will not go wrong. Do what is in your heart. Saalome, gam naan uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. rarena ô¿ô PS> Infinite patience brings immediate results... | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 787 Registered: 12-1999 |
Just a reminder, this section is about Billy and the Mission. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Scott, Will no longer answer any more related material in this section, it will now be in Non-FIGU Related » Miscellaneous or Deutsch posts in FIGU.org Diskussionsforum. Thank you for pointing this out... it is greatly appreciated. Saalome, gam naan uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. rarena ô¿ô Rem> Cause and effect: Billy's arm... | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 616 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Spaceman... You mailed me concerning Noah..a while ago. Hopefully the below information will give you more insight? 'Noah was no prophet, although he had extraterrestrial contact. (Note by CF: During the 248th contact of February 3, 1994 (Semjase Block 14, page 2752 ff., German edition), Ptaah gives information on the biblical flood and Noah. Noankadnosser, which was his real name, lived some 100,000 years ago! He was in contact with an extraterrestrial named Zebalon who warned him of an approaching comet and advised that he should build an ark, which N. built, together with his family. At that time, about 870,000 human beings were living on Earth. During the catastrophe that was triggered by a great comet which nearly collided with Earth and caused enormous catastrophes, about 650,000 human beings lost their lives. Of the 220,000 who survived (all over the Earth), 140 survived on the ark. They settled in the Middle East, and during the times, strangers immigrated by and by. Btw: Around 10,000 years ago, the human population on Earth counted the first million.' Edward. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 06-2006 |
This question is regarding Billy: Greetings Mr. Meier, Did your spirit form have previous incarnations as the Buddha, Siddhartha Gautama, and as the mathematician, astronomer and scientist, Galileo Galilei? Thanks, Ed Moderator: As mentioned in prior answers in this section, Billy/FIGU will no longer answer any questions concerning his prior incarnations, as well as incarnations of other persons. Please re-submit a different question. This one will be removed shortly. Answer Exactly The above is a question to Billy Meier from Eddioboy on the 6th of Novermber 2003 that was answered shortly, now my question is this: How can Billy Meier be a reincarnation of the Buddha, a Buddha is never reborn, as he has attained Nirvana..? Explain. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 06-2006 |
Where can I (on the net) find ALL of Billy's contact notes..? | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Spaceman, There are relatively few of Mr. Meier's Contact Reports on the internet. For a listing of those that are, consult a bibliography at: www25.brinkster.com/chancede/Meier.html | ||
Apple Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 06-2006 |
GO TO www.gaiaguys.net scroll down to Meier area below find a link with a summary of some (English) contact notes. There were many contact notes summarized last time I looked. Also all the Questions to Meier Answered has a link to download. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 881 Registered: 02-2000 |
Try Ebay or Amazon from time to time. Or if you can read German try the Figu shop. My Website | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 06-2006 |
I am actually looking for contact notes 3 to 20, I did a google serch, but it was not helpful. I couldn't find the Contact Notes in giaguys.net | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 06-2006 |
I wish to contact Billy Meier, what is his current address? | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 06-2006 |
According to a Delhi Newspaper of 30th Sep. 1964, Billy mentioned that he visited three planets; namely, Satar, Kapar and Paranos. Where exactly are these planets and who are the denizens of these planets? | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 638 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... For those whom are not familiar yet, Billy did mention that Jmmanuel was NOT crucified on the Traditional Christian Cross, but on a - Y-Cross -. The Greek word "Stauros"...has it's interpretation and association with the Cross, and it's verb "Stauro" with Crucify. STAUROS meaning : an upright Pale or Stake -...is the definition in few known dictionaries. Where a condemned felon were nail or tied, to be executed. The Christian Cross as we know today, is recorded as originating from the god "Tammuz", which is known as the "Tau Cross". It being a "T-Cross": it's name being derived from...of course - Tammuz -. Through time the Christians had modified the T-Cross by lowering the horizontal beam, and thus making it the Cross we know today. This will naturally...be the symbol for them in the times to come.(Alas) In those times, in intellectual circles and generally known, "Stauros"...literally means: Stake! And NOT - Cross -! Thus, One can conclude, that the Christian CROSS is nothing other than a symbol of a "Torture Cross: STAKE"!!! In other words: the symbol of "Sadist Death", a Slow Death..with no mercy! Truly the numerology value of the "The BEAST Anti-LOGOS - 666", when it's value is calculated! The Cross: STAKE that Jmmanuel was crucified on was the "Y-Cross"(as Billy and the Plejarans mentioned), and this cross was utilized in different parts of the countries back than...and through time, the Christian Cross became the standard cross throughout all the lands. Below will give you an idea of how the Christian Cross had it's origin, and last but not least: The Y-Cross:STAKE!.  Tau Cross  Tau Cross: Modified to Christian Cross! Last but not least...  Y-Cross on which Jmmanuel was cruicified... Edward... | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 283 Registered: 03-2004 |
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Edward Member Post Number: 639 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dyson... Very well done! So the the Cross(STAKE) is indeed: That Which Inhibits Life...etc, which is indeed a symbol of "Sadist Death",(and) a Slow Death..with no mercy! And Truly the numerology value of the "The BEAST Anti-LOGOS - 666", when it's value is calculated! Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 640 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dyson..BTW... Well, for me...the Cross has always been a symbol of Death, and when there is death...there is a new life: Reincarnation, if you will. Thus, Death..is indeed: That Which Inhibits/Stops....etc life. In some north American Indian cultures, the Cross had also been utilized in their symbols. It seems, archaeologists in the past have discovered that same Christian Cross format...and dating the artifact as being pre-european in age; thus meaning, it being utilized way before the Catholic and Christian Religions did in europe, and brought before them! So, in what context the Indians utilized that same (Christian) Cross format..is not really known, but they did relate it to/with "Death", thus: That Which Inhibits/Stops....etc life. The same as I concluded! Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 639 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... This below image of the 'Y-Cross' is somewhat different because the vertical beam has a somewhat extended part: a Head Piece, so to speak. Where the known 'INRI' plate would be placed.  This Cross format, I once came across on the television, when a news bulletin reported concerning a virus or bacteria in a senior home here in the country I live. One of the personal was being interviewed, and what did I see in the background? Yes, the 'Y-Cross' with extended head pieces! This is the only time I have seem one that is known to someone/people that still utilized the TRUE (Y-)Cross Jmmanuel was crucified on. So, it seems that the Y-Cross and the so-called Jesus figure(Jmmanuel) on it is still in circulation in our country. And that the Y-Cross crucifixion piece of Jmmanuel can still be purchased. I, myself was aware of the Y-Cross years back when I watched a documentary concerning it. To me, then...it was always a possibility, of course. What confirmed the Truth and Realization of it, was when Billy made known, that Jmmanuel was NOT crucified on a traditional Christian Cross, but...the 'Y-Cross'. Billy "Hit The Nail On The Head"...once again! Edward. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 959 Registered: 02-2000 |
Edward, "Well, for me...the Cross has always been a symbol of Death" I always felt the same. The question is, Who changed the Y cross to the T cross? Was it a Giza move? Or did they also use the T cross in crucifixions? My Website | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 641 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Norm.... You got me in a corner there... I have no idea, to be frank. What I did remember Billy mentioning was: that in the times of Jmmanuel there was a Variety of Cross/Stake formats. All depending, on which part of the country/land...One was in. So, the T-Cross/Stake would be utilized in one part of the land, when in other parts the Y-Stake/Cross...etc....etc... Well, I know that in Roman times, it is documented that the T-Stake/Cross was a very common Stake to be utilized. But One would be Tied, rather than be Nailed. But, I guess it just depended on what for MOOD...the Ruler was in, against his criminal condemned feloniers. Edward. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 985 Registered: 02-2000 |
I sure wish Billy would write a book or booklet on medical remedies. That would be a nice bone to throw to us earthlings. But I guess that would cause too much controversy because as people tried his remedies he would start to get too many people interested in the reality of the case. My Website | ||
Catsjam New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2006 |
Billy my name is Atom. I don't know where to start= I love you man- SOooOOoo much What do you think Ptaah would think about prophet Yahweh? http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=prophet+ufo If you are the only "contact" in the federation how do you define a master summoner like this? The first time I saw one of his videos I layed in my back yard alone thinking about it untill I saw three craft fly over my head to the north very steady. I see common ufo traffic every time I go out and look at the stars & now my friend and I point them out deliberating what was and wasn't a sattalite. I'm thinking that I could summon craft at a concert simply by having the entire crowd meditate on the topic. Perhaps they are just remotes eh? Well I had the attention of several craft during the day and night of may 25th 2004. One ship flew right over my dad's house as I was recording a song on piano in broad daylight. Later that night I went back up to his house and talked as if they could hear me as they traversed back and fourth as white orbs. I saw them hang out with me untill daylight. Billy I made a website where I hope to represent the common man on Earth. www.theatombomb.com Currently the US and Israel are on the warning list pending revolution should I determin to trigger exposure and citizens willing. What do you know about "star nations?" Is this and "the federation" that Ptaah describes the same thing? Are the reptilians allys? David Icke seems to think the reptilians along with other world figures are helping to organize the NWO. It has become my agenda to undermine thease people via spreading the truth about their intentions to wipe out 95% of mankind on Earth for their slave race and dominion. Ask Ptaah if he knows where the greys get Element 115 will you? Have you ever looked into John Searl? Do you think his SEG was ET inspired? Clearly we may be facing the volitle times that Asket predicted. Today I see synchronicity between her prediction of a US, Russian Chineese led coalition and what I've read here from Dr. Byron Weiss about the 1918 spanish flu /martial law/ infiltration /Neutron bomb agenda to kill people like me first. Read this: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flu.htm I made a rap you can listen to if you get tired of reading about the end of the world eheheh- http://www.myspace.com/atombrisbine Add me on myspace if you want Soo how is the mission going anyway? I never figured it out for shure. Did they compleate their mission before 1975? If so do you need help with yours? Do you have a cat? I have six very special black felines and one of them is THE BEST... His name is SAP! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 862 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Atom, Billy does not read this forum, in addition his native language is not English. I suggest you use the search feature on the forum and see what you can come up with. Scott-Moderator | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 987 Registered: 02-2000 |
Yahweh was proven of fake years ago. His followers sent up balloons when he signals them off camera. My Website | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 06-2006 |
Welcome to the forum Catsjam! | ||
Catsjam New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2006 |
Shure give me the url where I sould repost it for billy... Norm did you check those videos? Those aren't baloons silly >< COol site- | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 04-2006 |
This was Vestri question last round:"Greetings Billy, Will your mission resume in your next incarnation? If not, what year will your spiritform will resume its mission as the bringer of truth?" Answer => This is the last time in his incarnation line that he will appear as a prophet. I think mankind will not need the guidance of a spiritual prophet anymore.I have many reasons for this: 1) The teachings of Billy Meier will remain uncorrupted due to supervision of Figu. 2) Mankind will someday in the not so close future begin to study the spirit lessons and Billys work. Until mankind masters and applies those vital lessons there is no need for more material. 3) There will be public encounters with ET races in the future and important discoveries that will support Billys findings/studies.Billy will be then portraited as a real truthbringer,many centuries after his death. 4) The plejaren are not going to abandon us.They will show up publicly when we`re mature enough.They will provide more information in the future(800 years). 5)The spiritual guidance of a prophet was necessary due to the existance of Religions/Cults,and their negative influence to earth humans.800 years in the future,i presume,there won`t exist any major religion on earth. 6)There will be a time when we will have to walk alone,without external help/advice.A time when,to the eyes of other space civilizations,we will be the space travelers and Geisteslehre teachers.(6th point clearly influenced by "Star Trek" :D) So,enjoy this time folks, because there wont be another prophet/truthbringer coming.... | ||
Catsjam New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hey I don't know how to contact Billy without wading through the FIGU or some restricted MSG board. So I'll just assume somebody who cares or he himself will land on my text. Hey Billy if your feeling wise come help me amend the United States constitution... groups.myspace.com/amendments I could use the influence of any others whom have been temporarily omnipotent. | ||
Miraj_raha New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 09-2006 |
Hello Billy, Can you tell me from which star systems(or planets) did some of the Indian gods and goddess came from? | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Miraj, The posts on this section of the forum don't go to Billy. If you want to ask Billy you must go to the 'Your Questions to Billy -- Answered' section. You can ask questions to Billy when that section is open. Its interesting you asked about the Indian gods. I have asked Billy this question before, and he didn't know the answer. I would think that the Indian gods were ETs and from different stars. There is the god Murgan a.k.a Kartikeya. His name means 'He from the Pleiades' surely he was a IHWH from the Pleiades. Other devas like Indra, Surya could be of other star systems. | ||
Miraj_raha New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 09-2006 |
Hi spaceman, Well as a matter of fact I did post it in the "your questions to billy answered" section but I guess it was moved here because I posted at the wrong time. anyway i am new here,i'll get used to it. Regarding the gods and goddess I have researched quite a bit and have studied the semjase's information on the aryans thoroughly,after that matched those with the original History of the aryans. thereafter I came to the conclusion that Indra was the lieutenant or colonel of Arus II. and Krishna was most probably from the Vegans. | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 06-2006 |
HEY SCOTT, WHY HASN'T MY QUESTION BEEN POSTED IN THE QUESTIONS TO BILLY ?????? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 896 Registered: 12-1999 |
HEY CELESTIALBROTHER....... I DON'T KNOW, YOU HAD ONE QUESTION POSTED ON JULY 22, WHICH WAS ANSWERED?? PERHAPS YOUR QUESTION WAS NOT ACCEPTED BECAUSE YOU WERE ASKING MULTIPLE QUESTIONS, OR THE SECTION WAS CLOSED BEFORE YOUR QUESTION ARRIVED IN THE QUEUE...BUT HEY MAN I ONLY WORK HERE SCOTT | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey Scott, Will I be able to sent two questions in the next round? Who checks the questions? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 897 Registered: 12-1999 |
Celestialbrother, The rules/guidelines state one question per round. You will get your chance, please be patient. The moderators check the questions before they are submitted to Billy. | ||
Catsjam Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 08-2006 |
Billy what do you think of Richard Boylan being the only Earth born human on the high council of Star Nations? Dear Catsjam, please post your question in the appropiate section of the forum, this section is not for asking questions to Billy because they are not read from this section. I can safely say that this Richard Boylan person is a hoax or delusional person - Moderator Jacob | ||
Catsjam Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 08-2006 |
Then can tell you me why you think your safe to say that? Can you give me the correct URL I should post this or a new question? | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 534 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Spayzsman, Who is Semyaaze, never heard of him/her? Michael Horn | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 898 Registered: 12-1999 |
Catsjam, I think I am safe to say Billy does not speak or write English as his primary language. What would be the point of having a "Your Questions to Billy Answered" section if he could answer everyone's questions directly? In addition you may find if you ask a question it is possible the question has been asked or someone may know the answer and can help you. Here is the URL to the correct topic area, but it is closed until the answers to the previous round have been answered and posted. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/1871.html?1157055220 I have heard Richard Boylan speak a few months ago, and I don't think he is in his right mind...Jacob is right he is delusional....I would not put much creedance into what he says..Sometimes you have to really listen to what a person says and listen to your intuition about them...are they trying to sound important, are they attempting to make it sound like they possess some hidden knowledge and understand many things beyond the scope of ordinary people..can they prove what they say?? | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1013 Registered: 02-2000 |
Catsjam, http://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.p12.s27.htm My Website | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 681 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... Just an update to my previous posting, I did concerning Jmmanuel on the Y-stake/cross. I managed to extract this image of Jmmanuel on the Y-stake/cross. Which still seems to be able to be purchased in the country I live.  Jmmanuel Y-stake/cross Edward. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1034 Registered: 02-2000 |
Edward, Thats wild. Do they sell them online? My Website | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 681 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Norm... I have been looking around where I live, and of course, when asking them this at an Evangelist Store: Their Eyes Pop Out Of Their Sockets! I guess One can not blame them. No, I have tried very hard to find it on-line here, as well on Dutch sites as well as... any other language sites: but nothing. I extracted the image from a News Report which viewed Jmmanuel on the Y-stake/cross, for a second time. This to was concerning an illness or virus, or something, in a senior home. I can not say if it was the same footage, as that of the first one I saw (but this does not matter). But I will try and mail the News channel, and see if I can attain the address of the senior home, and ask them where the may have bought the stake/cross. Will keep you up to date, OK. Edward. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 946 Registered: 12-1999 |
Speaking of channels, this is the Mission Channel! | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 683 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Norm.... Contacted the general News channel whom aired the footage. Emails have been sent. Now to only awaiting answers. Would be very interesting to know, how the makers of the Y-stake/cross came up with the idea of making it as they did! Perhaps they are of Ancient Spirit-form linage and still carry this known knowledge, from then, within them!? Never know. At least some...are Conscious, concerning this matter! This will truly give Billy a Positive Boost back-up! So, it is very positive to show the people (even today) which is the Correct Wooden Structure Work, upon which Jmmanuel was nailed to. Thus, for those whom want the Correct relic...can purchase it, if the possible is open? Or for those whom are handy, can put one together: you can purchase the Jmmanuel/Jesus figure made from cast-iron these days, with the holes in the hands and feet for a few cents. And just construct the Y-Stake to the cast iron figure configuration. Presto! Now One has Jmmanuel on the Y-Stake! Beats hanging the "Erroneous" Christian Cross...around the house! Not!? Edward. | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Simon, regarding your question to Billy, here is the meaning of the acronyme DERN/DAL: DajansiniErn-Ruan-Nitrapralano Schöpfung-die-sich-entschleiert Creation which uncovers itself Dajansini-Arg-Lasergnoralin Schöpfung-als-Zweitgeborene Creation as second born Salome, Dejan | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 256 Registered: 03-2004 |
Scott, In regards to your question to Billy: "Dear Billy, There is a 14 year old boy living on the East Coast of the US named Jay Greenberg who is considered a musical prodigy. He started writing music notation when he was only 3 years old. Since then he has written 5 symphonies. He has mentioned that he hears sometimes 2-3 pieces of music in his mind at the same time. He states he never needs to make corrections when composing his music because it seems to come to him as a finished piece. Is he receiving these musical pieces/compositions from impulses from the Akashic Records or is it something else?" I saw that report on 60 minutes also. What grabbed by attention was his mother's admission that he had drawn a picture of a Cello and asked for one when he was 2 years old - yet she says they never owned one and he had never seen one. My first thought is that it was a past life memory of some type, but I suppose it could be from the akashic. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 321 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum I was wondering if anybody here knows for certain what exactly a 'DIMENSION' is. I can only speculate as to how flexible the nature of universe is and discounting other universes, this DERN universe we reside in must contain many many different 'DIMENSIONS'. Could the nature of dimension be akin to an extra appendage that is within the human body not externally visible but can be accessed through the various openings such as the mouth and the anus, if I could use an analogy to represent the universe as such. And if speaking about an artificial door or a portal when it comes to how the plejarens get in and out of this dimension of ours to theirs, it conjures up an image of making incisions of the skin and muscle to access the interior and then patching it back up with staples. How is it possible that this universe has an opposite flipside or various frequencies that is a world of it's own, existing alongside every other dimensions that exists but remains invisible to others much like radio waves and micro waves to everything else that is course and solid. The nature of 'dimension' haven't been discussed all that much because most of us, including the eminent scientists don't really know much about it yet I can only conclude that the reality as we know it here even on earth, including all solid objects takes on the form of a fog or a mist that can be as flexible, malleable and transparent as the vast ocean of water. just on another subject, does the area around the current pleiade star cluster the most ideal place for the plejarens to have built their artificial portal to access their dimension. It seems odd that if they have the technology to null time and space to travel anywhere in this universe without time loss, why does it have to be through the area around the pleiade star cluster? | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 03-2004 |
Newinitiation, I will give you my thoughts on the subject of dimensions for what it's worth. Dimensions can be any number of things depending on how you define the word 'dimension', but if you are only refering to other physical worlds like the one we live in but not in our own space-time, then here are some ideas to put you on the right track (I hope :-) First of all you have to remember that most of matter is really just empty space and that the only reason that it feels 'solid' is because of the way the fields interact with each other. I like to think of a field as any kind of area of influence, regardless of what is causing the influence. Another thing that you might consider is that waves pass through each other and that if matter is just confined electromagnetic energy in wave form, then several different kinds of waves can coexist in the same place. That brings up the question of why can't we detect another universe like we do other kinds of waves? In my opinion it is because even though another universal dimension or plane might have the exact same kind of electromagnetic waves that our dimension does, it wouldn't be detectable if it is in another time dimension. As I understand it the Plejarans are in a physical dimension shifted just part of a second different from ours. To me, this means that their worlds are just as physical as ours is but since they are time shifted from us, we can detect their universe. The whole time shifting thing, I assume, has something to do with chronons and with the POSSIBLE fact that all time is, is a synchronization at some fundamental level that is common to everything in a given world, even if the rate of the pulse that causes that synchronization is different at different locations (thus allowing for the fact that time moves at different rates under different conditions). Let me try to simplify since I have been babbling it seems: If you imagine that Creation or something within Creation puts out an energetic pulse and that that pulse is what time is based on, then you have a good start. Now imagine that every physical dimension basically synchronizes itself on one specific point of that energy wave so you have a world that blinks into existence at the same moment during each pulse cycle, but the rest of the pulse the universe is just fine matter, or hyperspace. This leaves the possibility for other just as real universes to exist if they are synchronized to different points along the pulse cycle as long as they are not synchronized to OUR point along the cycle, get it?!? Sorry for the drawn out explanation but I believe that it might work something like that. Maybe not... | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 03-2004 |
By the way newinitiation, I am assuming that the dimension dorr of the Plejarans is near our Pleiades because their Plejares are physically in the same location but time shifted in our universe. You have to remembeer that all dimensions are within a definite space within Creation. Since the home dimension of the Plejarans is the same sapcial dimension as ours but not the same temporal dimension, and since they said that their PLEJARES star system is just a little farther in distance than our PLEIADES (though in a different time dimension) it makes sense that the dimension door is there, right near the spacial location of their homeworlds! | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 155 Registered: 03-2004 |
And sorry for all the typo errors ;-) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1004 Registered: 12-1999 |
Please let's get back to the topic heading. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 156 Registered: 03-2004 |
I don't mean to be rude Moderator Scott but the subheading is MISCELLANEOUS which could be about anything and the larger heading is BILLYMEIER as you know. It seems that since this involves info from Billy and it is miscellaneous, it seems to be in the correct spot right? Maybe I am missing something. Either way I don't mean any disrepect but maybe you can be clear on where you would prefer we post on dimensions etc. I will gladly follow your suggestion :-) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1007 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Thomas I have been looking at ways to reorganize different parts of the forum so the subtopics match the intent of the main topic heading. Many of these sections were set up before I started moderating, but I think over time many of the topic areas have become venues for all sorts of topics. For instance in the Mission section there are two misc. sections, which need to be combined or renamed. I think in your discussion about dimensions, this would be better suited somewhere in the "Creation Itself" category? This just reaffirms to me that I will need to study the structure of the forum Regards Scott | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 335 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Thomas Thanks Thomas for taking the time to clarify a some things. It's still a mystery and I simply don't understand Cheers Matt | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 127 Registered: 10-2005 |
Matt, Don't feel bad, now 52 years old and have had dimensions rigorously explained to me since the age of twelve... still have trouble with them... The best advice given to me was: Don't worry about them until you've mastered this one... Randy Arena ô¿ô | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 348 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Randy You are wise as well sagacious Randy Wisdom only needs a few words Thanks for the encouragement. I might come to an understanding some day. Thanks Cheers Matt | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 129 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Matt, The understanding will come, without a doubt! Thank you for the compliments! The gentleman and woman who tried to explain demensions were far more intelligent and used way too much math for me to comprehend. The brain storming "think tank" session that comes to memory was called Creativity. It was held at Stanford U. in August 1966. Take care... Randy ô¿ô |
